WEBVTT - Disorganized Crime, Pt. 4

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<v Speaker 1>Col Zone Media.

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<v Speaker 2>On December eighth, two thousand, a bishop ordained a new

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<v Speaker 2>minister in his church. The procedure for this sort of

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<v Speaker 2>thing varies depending on the denomination, but in this case,

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<v Speaker 2>the ceremony didn't take place in a church. There was

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<v Speaker 2>no ceremony, and there wasn't really much of a church

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<v Speaker 2>to speak of. There is not even any evidence that

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<v Speaker 2>these two men ever met.

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<v Speaker 1>Face to face.

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<v Speaker 2>The ordination took place through the mail, and by the

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<v Speaker 2>time William Fink was holding the envelope containing his certificate

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<v Speaker 2>of ordination, it had already been opened. Federal prisons opened

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<v Speaker 2>most of the male sent to the people they house.

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<v Speaker 2>A few years into his fourteen year sentence for beating

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<v Speaker 2>a man to death while working as a corrections officer

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<v Speaker 2>in New Jersey, Fink felt divinely called to reinterpret the Bible.

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<v Speaker 2>He even learned ancient Greek to create his own translations

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<v Speaker 2>of Biblical texts, all in service of proving that Jewish

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<v Speaker 2>people were the descendants of Satan. And this certificate made

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<v Speaker 2>it official he was a Christian identity minister. Today, William

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<v Speaker 2>Fink is one of the leading purveyors of Christian identity propaganda.

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<v Speaker 2>The man who ordained him. Frank Smith is dead. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>Molly Conger and this is where little guys. This is

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<v Speaker 2>the story of Frank Smith's final evolution. He was a

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<v Speaker 2>bank robber, a bomber, a hit man, a loan shark,

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<v Speaker 2>a Nazi, and for the latter half of his life

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<v Speaker 2>a minister. As a young man in the early nineteen fifties,

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<v Speaker 2>he worked as a boxing promoter, but he kept getting

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<v Speaker 2>arrested for bank robbery. If you believe a prosecutor in

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<v Speaker 2>New York, he was also available as a murderer for hire.

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<v Speaker 2>He had a reputation for being the guide to call

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<v Speaker 2>when members of New England Organized crime needed something bombed.

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<v Speaker 2>While he was in prison for blowing up a man's house,

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<v Speaker 2>he read a few issues of the Rockwell Report, a

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<v Speaker 2>newsletter written by American Nazi Party leader George Lincoln Rockwell.

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<v Speaker 2>He was so intrigued by Rockwell's message that he drove

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<v Speaker 2>down to Virginia to meet the man. Just weeks after

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<v Speaker 2>being released from prison in nineteen sixty five, Frank Smith

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<v Speaker 2>had a proposition for the Nazi Party. He owned six

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<v Speaker 2>hundred acres of land up in Maine that the Nazis

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<v Speaker 2>could use to start a fake church. It would provide

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<v Speaker 2>the party with some institutional legitimacy, and it would make

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<v Speaker 2>it easier for the group to accept donations. After meeting

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<v Speaker 2>with Rockwell, Frank reported back to a man in charge

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<v Speaker 2>of a different organization, Raymond patriarcha head of the New

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<v Speaker 2>England Mafia. He hoped that the two groups could have

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<v Speaker 2>a mutually beneficial relationship, but it wasn't meant to be.

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<v Speaker 2>Frank ran a foul of the mafia by ordering hits

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<v Speaker 2>without permission from the boss, and he found himself on

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<v Speaker 2>the wrong end of a gun one night in March

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<v Speaker 2>of nineteen sixty five. After barely surviving the attempted hit,

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<v Speaker 2>Frank went back down to Virginia to help out with

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<v Speaker 2>Rockwell's campaign for governor. It was there that he met

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<v Speaker 2>his wife, Claudia, one of the Nazi Party secretaries.

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<v Speaker 1>For two years.

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<v Speaker 2>Frank was an active member of the American Nazi Party

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<v Speaker 2>and apparently a close friend of both George Lincoln Rockwell

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<v Speaker 2>and Rockwell's mistress, Barbara von Getz. Rockwell even gave Frank

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<v Speaker 2>a fun nickname, the Holy Father. He had, after all,

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<v Speaker 2>approached Rockwell with the great idea of forming a whites

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<v Speaker 2>only church. But Frank wasn't actually all that religious. He was, however,

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<v Speaker 2>full of bullet holes from that botched mob hit. When

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<v Speaker 2>they first met in early nineteen sixty five, the timing

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<v Speaker 2>seemed perfect. Rockwell had been considering the possibility of hiding

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<v Speaker 2>his Nazi rhetoric behind some kind of faux Christian front

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<v Speaker 2>for years, and now here's Frank offering him the resources

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<v Speaker 2>to bring that idea to life. Rockwell himself had no

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<v Speaker 2>attachment to Christianity or religion of any kind, but he

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<v Speaker 2>saw the political value in pretending his message was a

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<v Speaker 2>Christian one, and he was in close contact with the

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<v Speaker 2>burgeoning Christian identity movement. I think it bears repeating every

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<v Speaker 2>time this comes up, which is not infrequently, But Christian

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<v Speaker 2>identity means something specific, and it isn't Christianity. To say

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<v Speaker 2>someone is an adherent of Christian identity isn't just another

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<v Speaker 2>way of saying they are someone who identifies as a Christian.

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<v Speaker 2>This isn't someone who is Methodist or Presbyterian or Catholic

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<v Speaker 2>or anything like that. It isn't a Christian denomination and

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<v Speaker 2>there's no real doctrinal unity among its adherents at its core, though,

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<v Speaker 2>the one thing all Christian Identity adherents share is a

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<v Speaker 2>commitment to a deeply racist, anti Semitic belief system centered

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<v Speaker 2>around the idea that white Europeans are God's true chosen people.

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<v Speaker 2>Rockwell knew that in the nineteen sixties. He was in

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<v Speaker 2>contact with men like Wesley Swift, the father of the

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<v Speaker 2>Christian Identity movement, and Richard Butler, the man who would

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<v Speaker 2>later turned Swift's church into the Arian Nations.

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<v Speaker 1>But Frank didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>Frank was just a career criminal, an opportunist looking for

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<v Speaker 2>a new way to get ahead, an organized crime. He

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<v Speaker 2>didn't know a damn thing about anything besides collecting payments

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<v Speaker 2>from guys who made bad bets on boxing matches.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm dal stas a bunch of kids from the coach

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<v Speaker 3>and they're telling me I'm of Israel. What is this

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<v Speaker 3>I know about? I know all about the childs and

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<v Speaker 3>the history. Right yeah, I'm telling here, I says, And

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<v Speaker 3>that's telling me. I'm a chill. That's telling me I'm Israel.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know anything about ten trigsonless.

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<v Speaker 2>When members of the American Nazi Party first explained Christian

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<v Speaker 2>identity to Frank on his first visit down to the

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<v Speaker 2>barracks in nineteen sixty five, he was offended. They said

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<v Speaker 2>he was a descendant of the true Israelites, and he

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<v Speaker 2>didn't know what that meant, so he thought they were

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<v Speaker 2>accusing him of being Jewish.

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<v Speaker 3>And we never discussed that either. I never knew of

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<v Speaker 3>any particular faith. He had never asked them, stayed away

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<v Speaker 3>from it. It was political. We tested that way. Political and racial.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely racial.

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<v Speaker 2>That's Frank describing the original plan he and Rockwell had

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<v Speaker 2>for their partnership. He's remarkably candid in this interview. He

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<v Speaker 2>has no problem admitting what was on his mind when

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<v Speaker 2>he started down the path of forming his church. He's

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<v Speaker 2>talking about nineteen sixty five, but that interview was recorded

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty sixteen. You can probably tell, even just from

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<v Speaker 2>the handful of clips I've used throughout this series, he's rambling.

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<v Speaker 2>He sort of fades in and out, and he mumbles,

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<v Speaker 2>and he doesn't finish all of his thoughts, and some

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<v Speaker 2>of his thoughts seem to start in the middle, or

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<v Speaker 2>he's reminiscing about things that don't quite make sense. He

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<v Speaker 2>was ninety five years old in twenty sixteen, So even

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<v Speaker 2>though I listened to the entire interview a few times.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a lot missing there. So he's speaking very openly

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<v Speaker 2>about how he knew this church idea was a scam

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<v Speaker 2>when he first thought of it in nineteen sixty five.

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<v Speaker 2>But there's no explanation offered of how or when or

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<v Speaker 2>why he changed his mind, because I think he did.

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<v Speaker 2>He did end up forming a church, and it seems

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<v Speaker 2>like maybe eventually he really believed he was a minister.

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<v Speaker 2>He didn't end up forming the church that he and

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<v Speaker 2>Rockwell had talked about. Rockwell was murdered in nineteen sixty seven,

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<v Speaker 2>so that plan was out the window. When Rockwall's murderer,

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<v Speaker 2>John Patler went on trial, Frank testified for the defense.

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<v Speaker 2>A few months after the trial, American Nazi Party member

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<v Speaker 2>Christopher Vivdnyevitch showed up outside Frank's house in Maine. The

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<v Speaker 2>pair had a shootout, but no one was injured and

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<v Speaker 2>no one went to jail. This apparent attempt to kill

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<v Speaker 2>him ended Frank's interest in continued involvement with the American

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<v Speaker 2>Nazi Party, but not with its core beliefs, and the

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<v Speaker 2>idea of forming that church must have still been rattling

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<v Speaker 2>round in his mind too. He lived quietly for a

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<v Speaker 2>few years. As far as I can tell, he pops

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<v Speaker 2>up in some old issues of his local newspaper, the

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<v Speaker 2>Ellsworth American, from time to time. In February of nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>sixty nine, he was offering boxing lessons to local high

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<v Speaker 2>school boys at a theater after school. A few months later,

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<v Speaker 2>he called the fire department after losing control of a

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<v Speaker 2>fire he'd set on his property.

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<v Speaker 1>He says he.

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<v Speaker 2>Set the fire to burn the grass on his property.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not entirely sure what he means by that, but

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<v Speaker 2>it was treated as a perfectly reasonable explanation by the newspaper.

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<v Speaker 2>After the fire was extinguished, firefighters walked the property just

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<v Speaker 2>a double check that there were no lingering embers behind

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<v Speaker 2>the house that could reignite, and they discovered two separate

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<v Speaker 2>cases of dynamite, one inside of a rusty metal container

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<v Speaker 2>and the other hidden under a pile of hay. Frank

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<v Speaker 2>said he had no idea how that got there, and

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<v Speaker 2>it wasn't his, and he was very grateful that the

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<v Speaker 2>firefighters found it before something terrible happened. The paper doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>mention Frank's history with dynamite, but.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe they didn't know.

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<v Speaker 4>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>Remember, Frank Smith owns about six hundred acres of land

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<v Speaker 2>in Ellsworth, Maine. He bought it back in the mid fifties,

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<v Speaker 2>not long after he was accused of several bank robberies,

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<v Speaker 2>and in nineteen seventy he signed over the deed to

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<v Speaker 2>all of his property to a recent law school graduate

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<v Speaker 2>in Rhode Island. He just gave this man hundreds of

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<v Speaker 2>acres of land. Frank's sister, Florence, who had also purchased

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<v Speaker 2>some land in Ellsworth, sold her property to the same

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<v Speaker 2>man on the same day. Frank would later offer the

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<v Speaker 2>vague explanation that the gift had been a sort of

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<v Speaker 2>bond for work done that he couldn't repay. The man's

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<v Speaker 2>name was Brian Soreau, at least I think it's Sorow.

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<v Speaker 2>I could only find one recording of someone saying this

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<v Speaker 2>man's name out loud, and that person said Sorrolt, which

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<v Speaker 2>is what it looks like spelled out. But the man

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<v Speaker 2>in the recording also said Pawtucket in the same sentence.

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<v Speaker 2>And I've been informed by the Rhode Islanders and the

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<v Speaker 2>audience that it's Patucket, So I'm not sure we can

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<v Speaker 2>trust this In my quest for accurate pronunciation. I did

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<v Speaker 2>watch a couple of old videos of hockey fights. There

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<v Speaker 2>used to be a Canadian hockey player named Eve Sorow,

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<v Speaker 2>and both the French and English language announcers pronounce it Sorow.

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<v Speaker 2>The name does seem to be generally associated with people

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<v Speaker 2>of French Canadian descent. I really do go out of

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<v Speaker 2>my way to try to pronounce names of people and

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<v Speaker 2>places correctly, but it's an uphill battle when the world

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<v Speaker 2>is full of people and places who proudly wield their

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<v Speaker 2>pronunciation of proper nouns as some kind of weapon in

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<v Speaker 2>an assault against the very idea of phonics. Despite my

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<v Speaker 2>extreme efforts to find recordings of locals saying these things,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think I'll ever escape the humbling experience of

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<v Speaker 2>the regional shibbaleth. I mean, I'm from Virginia, home of Buna, Vista,

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<v Speaker 2>buck Annen, Batatat, and Stanton. None of those are spelled

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<v Speaker 2>how you think I grew up in Norfolk?

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<v Speaker 1>I get it.

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<v Speaker 2>If you say the R or the L, you're not

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<v Speaker 2>from here. So I've chosen to go with Siro. I

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<v Speaker 2>did my best.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, if you're from.

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<v Speaker 2>Rhode Island, you almost certainly know how that man's name

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<v Speaker 2>is pronounced, because you probably know that Brian J. Sorow

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<v Speaker 2>was elected mayor of Patucket, Rhode Island in nineteen eighty seven,

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<v Speaker 2>and he was still the mayor when the FBI arrested

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<v Speaker 2>him in nineteen ninety one for running a massive extortion,

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<v Speaker 2>bribery and kickback operation out of city hall. But when

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<v Speaker 2>Frank gave him all that land in nineteen seventy, he

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<v Speaker 2>was fresh out of law school. He'd only passed the

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<v Speaker 2>bar a few months earlier. Frank sort of implies that

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<v Speaker 2>the land was payment for legal work, but it's hard

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<v Speaker 2>to imagine what kind of work Sorow could have been

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<v Speaker 2>doing for Frank that would have been worth six hundred

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<v Speaker 2>acres of land in just a few months. As a

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<v Speaker 2>recent law school graduate, he wasn't even licensed to practice

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<v Speaker 2>in the state of Maine.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, I don't want.

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<v Speaker 2>To imply anything I can't prove. Brian Sorow may be disbarred,

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<v Speaker 2>but he's still out there, so I'm not making any allegiance.

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<v Speaker 2>But there are some clues here that Frank hadn't given

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<v Speaker 2>up on the idea that the land could serve some

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<v Speaker 2>criminal purpose. I couldn't find anything directly linking Brian Sorou

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<v Speaker 2>to organize crime, at least not beyond his own racketeering case.

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<v Speaker 2>No one's accusing Sourow of moving money around for the mafia.

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<v Speaker 2>But I did find his father's name in Raymond Patriarch's

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<v Speaker 2>FBI file, the same Raymond Patriarcha who ran the Providence mafia.

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<v Speaker 2>The same Raymond Patriarca who maybe told an FBI informant

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<v Speaker 2>to shoot Frank. In nineteen sixty one, an FBI agent

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<v Speaker 2>wrote a memo about an unsuccessful attempt by their informant

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<v Speaker 2>to get information about Patriarca out of one of his associates,

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<v Speaker 2>a man named a May Sourou. Again, there's just no

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<v Speaker 2>winning with French. I looked at a lot of videos

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<v Speaker 2>of people saying this name. It's Aime, it could be

0:16:08.040 --> 0:16:12.800
<v Speaker 2>m a, could be aim m Ama is what I

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<v Speaker 2>saw most often. Don't email me about pronouncing quebequa French.

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<v Speaker 2>A Ma Soro, Brian's father, and Brian's brother, Stephen Sorow,

0:16:24.240 --> 0:16:29.760
<v Speaker 2>were involved in several massive and very confusing fraud schemes

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<v Speaker 2>over the years. In nineteen seventy nine, A Ma Soro's

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<v Speaker 2>name was on the incorporation paperwork for a company in

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<v Speaker 2>Florida that was formed for the sole purpose of engaging

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<v Speaker 2>in mortgage fraud. His name was actually on the incorporation

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<v Speaker 2>paperwork for quite a few companies in the late seventies

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<v Speaker 2>and early eighties, and most of those companies show up

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<v Speaker 2>in federal court filings in cases for mail fraud, wire fraud,

0:16:56.760 --> 0:17:01.880
<v Speaker 2>securities fraud, mortgage fraud, really any kind of financial crime

0:17:01.920 --> 0:17:04.600
<v Speaker 2>you can think of, and some I hadn't heard of.

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<v Speaker 2>Which is interesting because when Frank Smith did finally get

0:17:10.040 --> 0:17:13.639
<v Speaker 2>around to forming his church in nineteen seventy eight, the

0:17:13.680 --> 0:17:17.040
<v Speaker 2>paperwork filed with the state of Maine lists A May

0:17:17.200 --> 0:17:21.920
<v Speaker 2>Sorrow as the vice president of the church and his son,

0:17:22.000 --> 0:17:40.320
<v Speaker 2>Stephen Sorow was on the board of directors. Now, this

0:17:40.760 --> 0:17:44.240
<v Speaker 2>doesn't fit neatly into my story, and it's not entirely

0:17:44.280 --> 0:17:49.200
<v Speaker 2>about Frank, but it's too weird to leave out. When

0:17:49.200 --> 0:17:52.000
<v Speaker 2>police in Florida showed up to ask questions about bad

0:17:52.119 --> 0:17:54.879
<v Speaker 2>checks that were being deposited by that fake mortgage company

0:17:54.920 --> 0:17:59.880
<v Speaker 2>in nineteen eighty, they didn't find the Sirows. They did

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<v Speaker 2>find a washed up minor league baseball player driving a

0:18:03.720 --> 0:18:08.920
<v Speaker 2>car with a forged registration. Bob Banalowitz played a few

0:18:08.960 --> 0:18:11.760
<v Speaker 2>seasons on farm teams for the Saint Louis Cardinals, but

0:18:12.240 --> 0:18:15.919
<v Speaker 2>he never made it to the majors. His name pops

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<v Speaker 2>up in connection with a couple of pretty serious crimes,

0:18:19.320 --> 0:18:22.760
<v Speaker 2>but I can't actually find any indication he ever served

0:18:22.840 --> 0:18:26.680
<v Speaker 2>time for any of them. But he was definitely arrested

0:18:26.680 --> 0:18:30.960
<v Speaker 2>that day in nineteen eighty The article about this curious

0:18:30.960 --> 0:18:34.800
<v Speaker 2>incident with the bad checks in Florida says police believed

0:18:34.840 --> 0:18:38.080
<v Speaker 2>the mastermind behind the scheme was a known con man

0:18:38.240 --> 0:18:42.520
<v Speaker 2>named Michael Arthur Strauss, but by the time the police

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<v Speaker 2>got there, Strauss.

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<v Speaker 1>Was in the wind.

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<v Speaker 2>A year later, in nineteen eighty one, Banalowitz and Strauss

0:18:49.240 --> 0:18:51.760
<v Speaker 2>were together again, and they were both on the run

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<v Speaker 2>from charges related to a mail fraud scheme in Pennsylvania.

0:18:57.000 --> 0:18:59.760
<v Speaker 2>I think you probably know by now, but part of

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<v Speaker 2>my process means spending a lot of time flushing out

0:19:03.920 --> 0:19:08.040
<v Speaker 2>the details of events I know full well are not

0:19:08.119 --> 0:19:10.720
<v Speaker 2>going to be relevant and they are not getting me

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<v Speaker 2>any closer to finishing the episode. I have reams of

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<v Speaker 2>notes about stuff you'll never hear about because it just

0:19:19.160 --> 0:19:22.880
<v Speaker 2>isn't related to the story. In any way, even by

0:19:22.920 --> 0:19:27.879
<v Speaker 2>my standards, Bob Banalowitz, the minor league baseball player, is

0:19:27.920 --> 0:19:32.200
<v Speaker 2>not a character in Frank's story. I mean, he did

0:19:32.200 --> 0:19:35.080
<v Speaker 2>some fraud with the father of the man that Frank

0:19:35.240 --> 0:19:38.600
<v Speaker 2>gave that land to, but there's no way they have

0:19:38.680 --> 0:19:43.679
<v Speaker 2>any meaningful connection, right. There was no reason for me

0:19:43.760 --> 0:19:45.600
<v Speaker 2>to look up the court records for a lawsuit and

0:19:45.720 --> 0:19:48.240
<v Speaker 2>alla Witz filed against Wynn Dixie after he slipped and

0:19:48.280 --> 0:19:51.640
<v Speaker 2>fell in a grocery store in Florida in nineteen ninety nine.

0:19:51.760 --> 0:19:55.480
<v Speaker 2>But I've got it in my notes, you know, when

0:19:55.480 --> 0:19:58.359
<v Speaker 2>I was poking around learning a little bit more about

0:19:58.400 --> 0:20:03.280
<v Speaker 2>this very tang gentially relevant character, because you never know

0:20:03.320 --> 0:20:09.320
<v Speaker 2>what you might find, and this time I'm glad I looked.

0:20:10.800 --> 0:20:10.919
<v Speaker 4>So.

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<v Speaker 2>In nineteen eighty one, when Manolowitz and Strauss are on

0:20:14.080 --> 0:20:16.679
<v Speaker 2>the lamb after their scheme with this Arose went busted,

0:20:17.720 --> 0:20:22.520
<v Speaker 2>they hid out at a friend's house in Massachusetts, and

0:20:22.600 --> 0:20:25.680
<v Speaker 2>the newspaper later reported that the FBI arrested a man

0:20:25.720 --> 0:20:30.920
<v Speaker 2>named Theodor Green for harboring the fugitives. And that name

0:20:31.080 --> 0:20:34.840
<v Speaker 2>looked really familiar, And it turned out I had it

0:20:34.880 --> 0:20:39.040
<v Speaker 2>in my notes already, But surely it's not the same

0:20:39.080 --> 0:20:42.960
<v Speaker 2>Teddy Green. I'm sure there are plenty of Teddy Greens

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<v Speaker 2>living in the Boston suburbs.

0:20:45.800 --> 0:20:47.199
<v Speaker 1>But what a strange coincidence.

0:20:49.200 --> 0:20:52.080
<v Speaker 2>I know, you know that at this point I forged

0:20:52.119 --> 0:20:55.600
<v Speaker 2>ahead on my mission to waste my own time, and

0:20:55.680 --> 0:21:01.280
<v Speaker 2>sure enough it wasn't a coincidence. The ages matched up,

0:21:01.320 --> 0:21:04.840
<v Speaker 2>which was a good clue. But I think what really

0:21:04.920 --> 0:21:08.160
<v Speaker 2>sealed it for me were the descriptions of Theodore Green

0:21:08.280 --> 0:21:11.640
<v Speaker 2>in those articles written in the nineteen eighties. I mean,

0:21:11.720 --> 0:21:15.320
<v Speaker 2>how many Teddy Greens in Boston could there be who

0:21:15.320 --> 0:21:18.479
<v Speaker 2>had a history of bank robbery and once escaped from

0:21:18.520 --> 0:21:21.439
<v Speaker 2>a Massachusetts state prison by shipping himself out in a

0:21:21.440 --> 0:21:25.640
<v Speaker 2>crate of dirty rags. There's just no way. The Boston

0:21:25.640 --> 0:21:28.960
<v Speaker 2>suburbs are home to two men named Theodore Green, who

0:21:29.000 --> 0:21:31.960
<v Speaker 2>famously tried and failed to escape from Alcatraz on a

0:21:32.000 --> 0:21:33.320
<v Speaker 2>dozen separate occasions.

0:21:34.520 --> 0:21:36.040
<v Speaker 1>It's the same guy.

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<v Speaker 2>The man who is harboring those fugitives in nineteen eighty

0:21:39.600 --> 0:21:44.160
<v Speaker 2>one is the exact same Teddy Green who was accused

0:21:44.200 --> 0:21:48.959
<v Speaker 2>of robbing a bank with Frank Smith in Menford, Massachusetts

0:21:49.760 --> 0:21:54.240
<v Speaker 2>in nineteen fifty two. They were members of the same

0:21:54.280 --> 0:21:58.800
<v Speaker 2>bank robbery gang. All throughout the early fifties, So what

0:21:58.880 --> 0:22:01.359
<v Speaker 2>is Teddy doing back in the story thirty years later.

0:22:03.080 --> 0:22:06.199
<v Speaker 2>It's an accumulation of hints that proves nothing I know,

0:22:07.480 --> 0:22:10.320
<v Speaker 2>but it suggests that Frank never lost touch with his

0:22:10.400 --> 0:22:14.720
<v Speaker 2>old associates even as his interests shifted and his public

0:22:14.760 --> 0:22:18.919
<v Speaker 2>presentation evolved. He may have put on a clerical caller,

0:22:19.480 --> 0:22:24.720
<v Speaker 2>but he's still doing business with the same people. When

0:22:24.760 --> 0:22:28.960
<v Speaker 2>Brian Sirow was indicted in nineteen ninety one, his finances

0:22:29.000 --> 0:22:34.360
<v Speaker 2>were obviously of great interest to investigators. He was accused

0:22:34.400 --> 0:22:37.000
<v Speaker 2>of raking in about a million dollars in bribes and

0:22:37.119 --> 0:22:41.280
<v Speaker 2>kickbacks over just a few short years. They made the

0:22:41.400 --> 0:22:43.960
<v Speaker 2>arrest after they got him on a wire tap accepting

0:22:43.960 --> 0:22:48.720
<v Speaker 2>a bribe, but that wasn't enough. They wanted the whole picture,

0:22:50.000 --> 0:22:56.320
<v Speaker 2>and the whole picture included Frank and Claudia Smith. A

0:22:56.400 --> 0:22:59.960
<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety two article in the Providence Journal says prosecute

0:23:00.240 --> 0:23:05.439
<v Speaker 2>weren't actually sure where all the money went. Sorow definitely

0:23:05.640 --> 0:23:09.440
<v Speaker 2>pocketed hundreds of thousands of dollars, but it didn't look

0:23:09.520 --> 0:23:13.359
<v Speaker 2>like he was spending it. He didn't live a lavish lifestyle.

0:23:14.760 --> 0:23:17.240
<v Speaker 2>He didn't drive a flashy car, or live in a mansion.

0:23:18.480 --> 0:23:19.160
<v Speaker 1>His home was.

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<v Speaker 2>Described as heavily mortgaged, and the missing money wasn't in

0:23:23.720 --> 0:23:29.439
<v Speaker 2>his bank account. Bryan Sirou ended up pleading guilty, so

0:23:29.520 --> 0:23:33.120
<v Speaker 2>there was no trial, and any court filings that might

0:23:33.200 --> 0:23:36.320
<v Speaker 2>exist in that file are in a box on a

0:23:36.359 --> 0:23:40.200
<v Speaker 2>shelf at the National Archives, so there's no chance of

0:23:40.240 --> 0:23:44.000
<v Speaker 2>getting my hands on them anytime soon. All I really

0:23:44.000 --> 0:23:46.720
<v Speaker 2>have to go on here is what the federal prosecutor

0:23:46.760 --> 0:23:51.080
<v Speaker 2>told this reporter in nineteen ninety two. A lot of

0:23:51.080 --> 0:23:54.960
<v Speaker 2>that missing money went directly into a bank account opened

0:23:54.960 --> 0:23:59.560
<v Speaker 2>by Claudia Smith. Soroa was listed as a trustee on

0:23:59.600 --> 0:24:03.480
<v Speaker 2>the account, and he was observed making cash withdrawals from

0:24:03.480 --> 0:24:05.440
<v Speaker 2>it a few weeks.

0:24:05.480 --> 0:24:07.240
<v Speaker 1>After he was arrested.

0:24:10.840 --> 0:24:14.320
<v Speaker 2>Frank Smith never really held a straight job, at least

0:24:14.560 --> 0:24:15.960
<v Speaker 2>not after the nineteen fifties.

0:24:17.320 --> 0:24:18.960
<v Speaker 1>I can't find any evidence.

0:24:18.560 --> 0:24:24.200
<v Speaker 2>That Claudia worked either, but they always had money. Claudia

0:24:24.240 --> 0:24:26.680
<v Speaker 2>told people they didn't need to work because she had

0:24:26.680 --> 0:24:30.439
<v Speaker 2>family money, some kind of large inheritance from oil wells

0:24:30.480 --> 0:24:35.639
<v Speaker 2>on land her family owned. I'm not entirely sure that's true.

0:24:35.800 --> 0:24:39.200
<v Speaker 2>Her family does not appear to have been wealthy, although

0:24:39.200 --> 0:24:42.159
<v Speaker 2>I did find a notice in a newspaper in Alabama

0:24:42.200 --> 0:24:47.840
<v Speaker 2>from nineteen fifty about a pending claim in court. It

0:24:47.840 --> 0:24:50.920
<v Speaker 2>looks like Claudia and her sister shared a one sixty

0:24:51.000 --> 0:24:54.399
<v Speaker 2>fourth interest in a parcel of land in Chalktawk County,

0:24:55.240 --> 0:24:58.119
<v Speaker 2>and one of the other interested holders of that land

0:24:58.240 --> 0:25:01.239
<v Speaker 2>was the Magnolia Petroleum Come. So there may have been

0:25:01.280 --> 0:25:05.240
<v Speaker 2>oil and gas on that land, but I don't think

0:25:05.240 --> 0:25:07.960
<v Speaker 2>it was the kind of oil money that funds you

0:25:08.000 --> 0:25:14.000
<v Speaker 2>for life. But for decades, Claudia Smith and Brian Sorow

0:25:14.320 --> 0:25:19.560
<v Speaker 2>were sharing access to several bank accounts. In nineteen seventy nine,

0:25:19.760 --> 0:25:22.840
<v Speaker 2>when Soirow needed money for a condo development project he

0:25:22.960 --> 0:25:25.679
<v Speaker 2>was working on, he took out a loan from the trust.

0:25:26.920 --> 0:25:30.440
<v Speaker 2>In nineteen eighty six, Sorow's law partner and personal attorney,

0:25:30.520 --> 0:25:35.159
<v Speaker 2>Charles Rogers, borrowed twenty five thousand dollars from an account

0:25:35.240 --> 0:25:39.840
<v Speaker 2>held by Frank Smith's church. There's no evidence either of

0:25:39.880 --> 0:25:44.520
<v Speaker 2>these loans were repaid. Disclosures filed with the State Ethics

0:25:44.520 --> 0:25:49.600
<v Speaker 2>Committee show Sirow borrowed undisclosed sums from the Smiths in

0:25:49.680 --> 0:25:54.520
<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighty nine and nineteen ninety. He refused to comment

0:25:54.600 --> 0:25:57.280
<v Speaker 2>on how much money he borrowed, what it was for,

0:25:57.480 --> 0:26:01.679
<v Speaker 2>and when or if it was repaid. There are a

0:26:01.680 --> 0:26:05.800
<v Speaker 2>lot of unanswered questions about this money, but it does

0:26:05.840 --> 0:26:09.240
<v Speaker 2>start to paint a picture that Frank really was using

0:26:09.240 --> 0:26:12.919
<v Speaker 2>that land exactly how he'd imagined when he proposed the

0:26:12.960 --> 0:26:17.840
<v Speaker 2>idea to George Lincoln Rockwell, make a fake church and

0:26:18.040 --> 0:26:24.560
<v Speaker 2>use it to move dirty money around. Like I said,

0:26:25.080 --> 0:26:29.000
<v Speaker 2>I don't think anyone is outright saying Brian Sirou was

0:26:29.040 --> 0:26:33.879
<v Speaker 2>involved with organized crime, but Frank never really left that world.

0:26:35.480 --> 0:26:39.919
<v Speaker 2>In nineteen ninety two, Frank's church owned three cars, and

0:26:40.000 --> 0:26:45.719
<v Speaker 2>for some reason, he registered them in Rhode Island, not Maine.

0:26:45.840 --> 0:26:49.840
<v Speaker 2>The cars were registered to an address in Patucket, specifically

0:26:50.359 --> 0:26:54.520
<v Speaker 2>to a trailer park owned by lifelong patriarcha crime family associate,

0:26:54.960 --> 0:27:00.880
<v Speaker 2>albo Vitally. According to Claudia Smith's driver's license, that's where

0:27:00.880 --> 0:27:05.760
<v Speaker 2>she lived. Whether she did live there at some point

0:27:05.880 --> 0:27:10.840
<v Speaker 2>or not isn't actually clear. The FBI couldn't find her

0:27:11.000 --> 0:27:14.760
<v Speaker 2>in nineteen ninety two. Frank said she wasn't living with

0:27:14.840 --> 0:27:19.520
<v Speaker 2>him anymore and wouldn't say where she might be. She

0:27:19.640 --> 0:27:22.680
<v Speaker 2>did get two traffic tickets near Frank's home in Ellsworth

0:27:22.680 --> 0:27:26.680
<v Speaker 2>in nineteen ninety four, and the citations indicate her license

0:27:26.720 --> 0:27:31.000
<v Speaker 2>listed a Patucket address. When she died in two thousand,

0:27:31.200 --> 0:27:34.480
<v Speaker 2>she was living in Massachusetts, and I can't find any

0:27:34.480 --> 0:27:38.439
<v Speaker 2>record that the couple ever filed for divorce, and the

0:27:38.440 --> 0:27:41.879
<v Speaker 2>paperwork for Frank's church was never updated after it was

0:27:41.880 --> 0:27:45.440
<v Speaker 2>filed in nineteen seventy eight. So even though she's been

0:27:45.440 --> 0:27:48.800
<v Speaker 2>dead for twenty five years, Claudia Smith is still the

0:27:48.840 --> 0:27:54.639
<v Speaker 2>registered agent for the Church of Christ and Israel. But

0:27:54.720 --> 0:27:58.879
<v Speaker 2>back in nineteen ninety two, the US Attorney's Office and

0:27:58.920 --> 0:28:04.439
<v Speaker 2>the FBI couldn't locate Claudia, but they did subpoena Frank

0:28:04.680 --> 0:28:09.120
<v Speaker 2>to testify before a grand jury. This wasn't the grand

0:28:09.160 --> 0:28:11.679
<v Speaker 2>jury that indicted Siro It was one that came a

0:28:11.680 --> 0:28:14.720
<v Speaker 2>few months after his arrest when they were looking into

0:28:14.720 --> 0:28:18.440
<v Speaker 2>bringing additional charges against other people related to the corruption

0:28:18.520 --> 0:28:24.879
<v Speaker 2>in Patucket. Grand jury testimony is secret, of course, so

0:28:24.960 --> 0:28:27.640
<v Speaker 2>who knows? But Frank said on the stand and there

0:28:28.800 --> 0:28:31.720
<v Speaker 2>Sirro's lawyer refused to comment on it, and so did

0:28:31.760 --> 0:28:32.800
<v Speaker 2>the federal prosecutor.

0:28:33.760 --> 0:28:34.320
<v Speaker 1>Not a word.

0:28:36.160 --> 0:28:40.640
<v Speaker 2>The Providence Journal reported that one unnamed source said Frank

0:28:40.680 --> 0:28:44.080
<v Speaker 2>showed up to court and a clerical caller. I guess

0:28:44.320 --> 0:28:46.360
<v Speaker 2>to try to sell the idea that he was just

0:28:46.400 --> 0:28:50.320
<v Speaker 2>a mild mannered Christian pastor whose attorney managed his money

0:28:50.320 --> 0:28:55.880
<v Speaker 2>in a completely normal and legal way. It does kind

0:28:55.880 --> 0:28:58.360
<v Speaker 2>of remind me, though, if you remember a few weeks

0:28:58.360 --> 0:29:02.280
<v Speaker 2>ago in nineteen fifty, Frank and his little brother William

0:29:02.320 --> 0:29:05.680
<v Speaker 2>were both arrested in connection with that bank robbery in Medford.

0:29:06.120 --> 0:29:09.320
<v Speaker 2>And when they raided his little brother's apartment, they found

0:29:09.320 --> 0:29:12.920
<v Speaker 2>a bunch of guns and amo and lock picks and dynamite.

0:29:13.960 --> 0:29:18.320
<v Speaker 2>But they also found a suitcase full of disguises, including

0:29:18.360 --> 0:29:25.000
<v Speaker 2>a clerical coller investments. So forty years apart, he's got

0:29:25.000 --> 0:29:29.320
<v Speaker 2>a real church now kind of, but the clerical caller

0:29:29.440 --> 0:29:47.480
<v Speaker 2>is still just a disguise. Brian Siro eventually pleaded guilty

0:29:47.520 --> 0:29:51.240
<v Speaker 2>and spent five years in prison. There's no other reporting

0:29:51.320 --> 0:29:55.080
<v Speaker 2>I can find on where all that bribe money ended up,

0:29:55.560 --> 0:29:58.520
<v Speaker 2>whatever came of the subpoenas for Claudia Smith's bank accounts.

0:30:00.120 --> 0:30:04.800
<v Speaker 2>But let's get back to Frank and his church. The

0:30:04.840 --> 0:30:08.200
<v Speaker 2>Siro's showing up on that paperwork and in Frank's bank

0:30:08.240 --> 0:30:11.560
<v Speaker 2>accounts is a hint that the church is less of

0:30:11.600 --> 0:30:15.400
<v Speaker 2>a religious institution and more of a front for some

0:30:15.560 --> 0:30:19.880
<v Speaker 2>kind of financial sin inigans. So the church is maybe

0:30:19.920 --> 0:30:24.480
<v Speaker 2>not one hundred percent sincere, but what kind of church

0:30:24.520 --> 0:30:29.560
<v Speaker 2>is he claiming to lead? In January of nineteen seventy eight,

0:30:30.160 --> 0:30:32.680
<v Speaker 2>Frank Smith filed paperwork with a State of Paine for

0:30:32.720 --> 0:30:38.360
<v Speaker 2>an organization called the Church of Christ in Israel, just

0:30:38.440 --> 0:30:41.120
<v Speaker 2>a few weeks after the church legally existed on paper.

0:30:41.880 --> 0:30:45.120
<v Speaker 2>Brian Sirow gave all of the land back to Frank,

0:30:46.360 --> 0:30:49.440
<v Speaker 2>not to him personally. He gave it to the church,

0:30:51.200 --> 0:30:55.120
<v Speaker 2>and the church was initially granted tax exempt status, but

0:30:55.240 --> 0:30:58.400
<v Speaker 2>the main state Bureau of Taxation rescinded that exemption in

0:30:58.480 --> 0:31:03.280
<v Speaker 2>nineteen seventy nine, and that's when Frank went to the press.

0:31:04.320 --> 0:31:07.479
<v Speaker 2>He claimed to have been ordained four years earlier, so

0:31:07.520 --> 0:31:10.640
<v Speaker 2>that would be nineteen seventy five, although when he was

0:31:10.680 --> 0:31:13.560
<v Speaker 2>asked the same question in nineteen eighty two he said

0:31:13.600 --> 0:31:16.720
<v Speaker 2>he'd been ordained for five years, which would mean he

0:31:16.760 --> 0:31:20.040
<v Speaker 2>was ordained in seventy seven, and I think the later

0:31:20.120 --> 0:31:23.480
<v Speaker 2>date is the correct one. He probably fudged it the

0:31:23.520 --> 0:31:25.400
<v Speaker 2>first time to make it sound like he'd been a

0:31:25.440 --> 0:31:28.640
<v Speaker 2>minister for more than a few months before he incorporated

0:31:28.640 --> 0:31:33.360
<v Speaker 2>his church. The article in nineteen eighty two quotes Frank

0:31:33.440 --> 0:31:36.280
<v Speaker 2>saying that he was ordained into the Christian identity movement

0:31:36.800 --> 0:31:41.680
<v Speaker 2>by a man named Glenn Wheeler in California.

0:31:42.000 --> 0:31:43.080
<v Speaker 1>That name meant nothing to me.

0:31:44.200 --> 0:31:46.240
<v Speaker 2>I never say that. I always know the guy. But

0:31:47.160 --> 0:31:51.160
<v Speaker 2>who's Glenn Wheeler? I mean, with Frank's connections to the

0:31:51.200 --> 0:31:55.600
<v Speaker 2>American Nazi Party and by extension, the broader movement, I

0:31:55.760 --> 0:31:57.880
<v Speaker 2>kind of figured he would have been brought into Christian

0:31:57.920 --> 0:32:02.160
<v Speaker 2>identity by a bigger name, you know, a James Wickstrom

0:32:02.280 --> 0:32:07.240
<v Speaker 2>or a William Potter, Gale, Dan Gaman. Maybe not Glenn,

0:32:08.280 --> 0:32:13.600
<v Speaker 2>just some guy named Glenn. But I guess that's kind

0:32:13.600 --> 0:32:17.120
<v Speaker 2>of the thing about Christian identity. It's not a church,

0:32:18.200 --> 0:32:22.800
<v Speaker 2>it's an idea. Anyone can just start writing a newsletter

0:32:22.920 --> 0:32:28.240
<v Speaker 2>full of bizarre, racist, biblical hermeneutics. Anyone can just mail

0:32:28.280 --> 0:32:32.000
<v Speaker 2>certificates out saying I'm a minister and now you are too.

0:32:33.720 --> 0:32:37.000
<v Speaker 2>Sometimes a Christian identity group might have a church in

0:32:37.040 --> 0:32:41.720
<v Speaker 2>the traditional sense, you know, a building and a congregation,

0:32:42.800 --> 0:32:47.680
<v Speaker 2>something like Dan Gayman's Church of Israel and Missouri. Other

0:32:47.840 --> 0:32:50.920
<v Speaker 2>times it might look like a church at the center

0:32:50.960 --> 0:32:54.680
<v Speaker 2>of an entire compound, like Robert Miller's Aloheim City in

0:32:54.720 --> 0:33:01.160
<v Speaker 2>Oklahoma or Richard Butler's Area Nations in Idaho. Sometimes a

0:33:01.280 --> 0:33:05.920
<v Speaker 2>Christian identity group is less of a congregation and more

0:33:05.920 --> 0:33:10.000
<v Speaker 2>of a terror cell groups like the Aryan Republican Army,

0:33:10.280 --> 0:33:12.800
<v Speaker 2>the Order, or the Covenant the Sword in the arm

0:33:12.840 --> 0:33:16.960
<v Speaker 2>of the Lord. But it seems like the most common

0:33:17.120 --> 0:33:20.680
<v Speaker 2>kind of Christian identity minister is a guy whose church

0:33:20.840 --> 0:33:26.040
<v Speaker 2>exists only in his newsletter. The Laporte Church of Christ

0:33:26.120 --> 0:33:28.960
<v Speaker 2>never had more than a few dozen members, but Pete

0:33:29.000 --> 0:33:31.960
<v Speaker 2>Peters had a radio show, a monthly newsletter, a television

0:33:32.000 --> 0:33:36.400
<v Speaker 2>program in thousands of fans all over the country. Kingdom

0:33:36.400 --> 0:33:40.080
<v Speaker 2>Identity Ministries didn't have a church at all, but they

0:33:40.120 --> 0:33:44.120
<v Speaker 2>sold books and tapes, and they broadcast their sermons twenty

0:33:44.160 --> 0:33:49.160
<v Speaker 2>four to seven over shortwave radio. Sheldon Emery's Lord's Covenant

0:33:49.240 --> 0:33:52.120
<v Speaker 2>Church was so small they met in his living room,

0:33:52.600 --> 0:33:56.600
<v Speaker 2>but through his America's Promise Ministries, he bought airtime on

0:33:56.720 --> 0:34:02.719
<v Speaker 2>stations all over the country to broadcast his message. You know,

0:34:02.880 --> 0:34:05.520
<v Speaker 2>it's kind of like what Brian Eno said about the

0:34:05.600 --> 0:34:09.400
<v Speaker 2>Velvet Underground. They may not have sold a lot of albums,

0:34:09.440 --> 0:34:12.239
<v Speaker 2>but everybody who bought one went out and started their

0:34:12.280 --> 0:34:18.439
<v Speaker 2>own band. These physical congregations were small, but a lot

0:34:18.480 --> 0:34:21.319
<v Speaker 2>of the people who got the message would go on

0:34:21.440 --> 0:34:25.200
<v Speaker 2>to have an outsized impact, and you can usually trace

0:34:25.239 --> 0:34:31.480
<v Speaker 2>their ideological lineage to a specific organization. Three men associated

0:34:31.520 --> 0:34:34.840
<v Speaker 2>with America's Promised Ministries bombed an abortion clinic and a

0:34:34.880 --> 0:34:39.600
<v Speaker 2>newspaper in nineteen ninety six. Another member of that congregation

0:34:39.840 --> 0:34:42.279
<v Speaker 2>shot five people in a Jewish community center in Los

0:34:42.320 --> 0:34:46.919
<v Speaker 2>Angeles in nineteen ninety nine. When Eric Rudolph attended Dan

0:34:47.000 --> 0:34:50.560
<v Speaker 2>Gayman's Church of Israel and Missouri in the eighties, Gaiman

0:34:50.640 --> 0:34:54.240
<v Speaker 2>tried to play matchmaker with his own daughter. He wanted

0:34:54.239 --> 0:34:58.480
<v Speaker 2>to make Eric Rudolph his son in law and perhaps

0:34:58.480 --> 0:35:03.120
<v Speaker 2>his successor. A decade later, Rudolph set off a bomb

0:35:03.160 --> 0:35:06.279
<v Speaker 2>at the Atlanta Olympics before bombing two abortion clinics and

0:35:06.320 --> 0:35:11.000
<v Speaker 2>a lesbian bar. Members of the Order murdered Alan Berg,

0:35:11.400 --> 0:35:15.160
<v Speaker 2>a Jewish talk radio host, because he was disrespectful in

0:35:15.200 --> 0:35:19.040
<v Speaker 2>an on air debate with Christian identity minister Pete Peters.

0:35:20.040 --> 0:35:22.600
<v Speaker 2>A man named Michael Ryan was so inspired by the

0:35:22.640 --> 0:35:26.080
<v Speaker 2>sermons of James Wickstrom that he started a small cult

0:35:26.120 --> 0:35:30.680
<v Speaker 2>compound and eventually brutally murdered two of his own followers

0:35:30.719 --> 0:35:37.040
<v Speaker 2>when they expressed doubt about Christian identity teachings. So I

0:35:37.040 --> 0:35:40.560
<v Speaker 2>think there is value in finding out who Glenn Wheeler was,

0:35:41.960 --> 0:35:46.120
<v Speaker 2>who was it that ordained Frank, and what version of

0:35:46.200 --> 0:35:50.560
<v Speaker 2>Christian identity was Frank Steepton, Because there is a wide

0:35:50.600 --> 0:35:55.640
<v Speaker 2>spectrum everything from guys who've never actually opened a Bible

0:35:55.719 --> 0:35:58.040
<v Speaker 2>but are likely to nod in agreement if you tell

0:35:58.080 --> 0:36:01.240
<v Speaker 2>them it says black people aren't human, Guys like George

0:36:01.239 --> 0:36:04.640
<v Speaker 2>Lincoln Rockwell who don't actually care at all what's in

0:36:04.680 --> 0:36:07.960
<v Speaker 2>the Bible, but they have a cynical understanding of the

0:36:07.960 --> 0:36:11.640
<v Speaker 2>political value of tricking that first kind of guy into

0:36:11.680 --> 0:36:15.360
<v Speaker 2>being more racist. And then there are guys who truly

0:36:15.400 --> 0:36:18.560
<v Speaker 2>believe that God commands them to incite a bloody race

0:36:18.600 --> 0:36:21.760
<v Speaker 2>war because of a genuinely held belief in a warped

0:36:21.840 --> 0:36:27.600
<v Speaker 2>understanding of pre millennialist eschatology. And then there's kinds of

0:36:27.640 --> 0:36:30.359
<v Speaker 2>guys you and I have never even imagined, and all

0:36:30.440 --> 0:36:34.920
<v Speaker 2>kinds of guys in between. Sometimes it really is just

0:36:34.960 --> 0:36:40.400
<v Speaker 2>a tax dodge, but sometimes it is a terrorist plot

0:36:40.760 --> 0:36:45.319
<v Speaker 2>aimed at triggering armageddon. So that's why I usually just

0:36:45.360 --> 0:36:49.520
<v Speaker 2>give you the short version. It is a racist misunderstanding

0:36:49.560 --> 0:36:53.120
<v Speaker 2>of the Book of Genesis. There's a lot going on here.

0:36:55.120 --> 0:36:58.320
<v Speaker 2>The man who actually ordained Frank into the Christian Identity

0:36:58.360 --> 0:37:05.200
<v Speaker 2>ministry is pretty obscure. Admittedly, I could keep digging. I

0:37:05.239 --> 0:37:07.759
<v Speaker 2>could try begging the Special Collections Library and at the

0:37:07.840 --> 0:37:10.920
<v Speaker 2>University of Kansas to scam the papers in a box

0:37:11.000 --> 0:37:15.040
<v Speaker 2>labeled Glen Wheeler nineteen seventy seven to nineteen seventy nine

0:37:15.640 --> 0:37:19.759
<v Speaker 2>in their collection of James Mason's personal papers. You can

0:37:19.800 --> 0:37:23.239
<v Speaker 2>only access that collection in person due to the discovery

0:37:23.239 --> 0:37:26.719
<v Speaker 2>of some child pornography in the materials Mason donated to

0:37:26.760 --> 0:37:28.400
<v Speaker 2>the library.

0:37:28.520 --> 0:37:29.239
<v Speaker 1>I've heard you have.

0:37:29.239 --> 0:37:31.440
<v Speaker 2>To request the boxes in advance so they can be

0:37:31.480 --> 0:37:35.319
<v Speaker 2>pre screened. I will make it out to Kansas one day,

0:37:35.640 --> 0:37:39.560
<v Speaker 2>but for now I do know what at least one

0:37:39.600 --> 0:37:44.680
<v Speaker 2>of those documents is Glenn Wheeler ordained at least one

0:37:44.719 --> 0:37:49.160
<v Speaker 2>other person besides Frank Smith in nineteen seventy seven, it

0:37:49.239 --> 0:37:53.720
<v Speaker 2>was James Mason, the author of the Adam Waffen Bible Siege.

0:37:56.000 --> 0:37:58.440
<v Speaker 2>While Mason was in prison in the nineties after an

0:37:58.520 --> 0:38:01.960
<v Speaker 2>arrest for sexual exploitation of a minor, he wrote a

0:38:01.960 --> 0:38:07.839
<v Speaker 2>collection of essays on the Bible. In that book, called

0:38:07.880 --> 0:38:11.480
<v Speaker 2>One Verse Charlie's, he includes a scan of the certificate

0:38:11.560 --> 0:38:15.239
<v Speaker 2>Glenn Wheeler mailed him in nineteen seventy seven ordaining him

0:38:15.239 --> 0:38:20.839
<v Speaker 2>as a minister in Christ's Identity Church. I did find

0:38:20.840 --> 0:38:24.160
<v Speaker 2>a little bit more about Glen Wheeler, but nothing about

0:38:24.200 --> 0:38:26.960
<v Speaker 2>his church. None of what I found about Glen Wheeler

0:38:27.040 --> 0:38:30.239
<v Speaker 2>had anything to do with Christian Identity. He ran for

0:38:30.320 --> 0:38:33.719
<v Speaker 2>California State Assembly in nineteen seventy on the American Independent

0:38:33.760 --> 0:38:37.520
<v Speaker 2>Party ticket. The party formed so that George Wallace could

0:38:37.560 --> 0:38:41.240
<v Speaker 2>run for president on the segregation platform, and he actually

0:38:41.280 --> 0:38:43.719
<v Speaker 2>met with George Wallace at some point in nineteen sixty nine,

0:38:44.719 --> 0:38:47.160
<v Speaker 2>and earlier in the sixties he formed some kind of

0:38:47.239 --> 0:38:50.960
<v Speaker 2>racist discussion group called Western Front with a man whose

0:38:51.080 --> 0:38:55.360
<v Speaker 2>real name is Walter White, but I think that's for

0:38:55.400 --> 0:39:00.840
<v Speaker 2>another day. Walter White had a very interesting wife. But

0:39:00.920 --> 0:39:04.120
<v Speaker 2>as far as Frank goes, I'm not sure he had

0:39:04.200 --> 0:39:08.640
<v Speaker 2>much contact with Glenn after the ordination, but he was

0:39:08.640 --> 0:39:11.919
<v Speaker 2>in touch with other people in the movement. When Frank

0:39:12.040 --> 0:39:15.040
<v Speaker 2>was explaining his beliefs to a reporter in nineteen seventy nine,

0:39:15.719 --> 0:39:18.279
<v Speaker 2>he mentioned a few guys by name, he talked about

0:39:18.360 --> 0:39:22.000
<v Speaker 2>Dan Gaman and Sheldon Emory, and when he was back

0:39:22.000 --> 0:39:24.919
<v Speaker 2>in the newspaper again in nineteen eighty two, complaining about

0:39:24.920 --> 0:39:28.840
<v Speaker 2>his ongoing battle for tax exemption, he told a reporter

0:39:28.960 --> 0:39:31.200
<v Speaker 2>that Sheldon Emory had offered to connect him with a

0:39:31.239 --> 0:39:36.200
<v Speaker 2>group called the Christian Law Association for some assistance, and

0:39:36.280 --> 0:39:40.560
<v Speaker 2>he also mentioned a recent conference in Wisconsin. Based on

0:39:41.000 --> 0:39:44.719
<v Speaker 2>the location and the timing, that has to be James Wickstrom.

0:39:46.760 --> 0:39:50.200
<v Speaker 2>Frank clearly had a soft spot for Sheldon Emory. He

0:39:50.320 --> 0:39:53.719
<v Speaker 2>dropped that name twice in interviews about his church, and

0:39:53.840 --> 0:39:55.760
<v Speaker 2>his name shows up in at least one of Emory's

0:39:55.800 --> 0:40:01.000
<v Speaker 2>newsletters as a supporter. In nineteen eighty hosted an event

0:40:01.080 --> 0:40:05.480
<v Speaker 2>in Sandford, Maine. It was advertised in the newspaper as

0:40:05.480 --> 0:40:11.840
<v Speaker 2>a benign sounding inter faith Easter program featuring gospel music

0:40:11.880 --> 0:40:14.280
<v Speaker 2>and the presentation of a film.

0:40:15.120 --> 0:40:18.800
<v Speaker 1>The film was called Airs of the Promise. It's a

0:40:18.920 --> 0:40:21.359
<v Speaker 1>very generic sort of phrase, and.

0:40:21.320 --> 0:40:25.600
<v Speaker 2>It's a phrase that appears in mostly innocuous religious writing

0:40:25.640 --> 0:40:29.040
<v Speaker 2>that doesn't have a Christian identity angle. The phrase itself

0:40:29.800 --> 0:40:34.279
<v Speaker 2>doesn't necessarily mean we're in Christian identity territory, so it

0:40:34.320 --> 0:40:37.759
<v Speaker 2>made it a little hard to search for, but this

0:40:37.920 --> 0:40:42.920
<v Speaker 2>videotape is actually something pretty specific, and Frank seemed to

0:40:43.000 --> 0:40:46.040
<v Speaker 2>really like this tape. Not only did he show it

0:40:46.080 --> 0:40:49.920
<v Speaker 2>at the Interfaith Easter program in nineteen eighty, in nineteen

0:40:50.000 --> 0:40:53.600
<v Speaker 2>ninety one, after he testified before that Grand jury in

0:40:53.680 --> 0:40:57.960
<v Speaker 2>Rhode Island, he mailed a copy of this video to

0:40:58.000 --> 0:40:59.200
<v Speaker 2>the federal prosecutor.

0:41:01.640 --> 0:41:04.480
<v Speaker 4>Why of all the people of the earth, has it

0:41:04.560 --> 0:41:08.759
<v Speaker 4>been only this white Caucasian race, these so called gentiles,

0:41:09.040 --> 0:41:12.200
<v Speaker 4>who have claimed Jesus Christ as their God, and who

0:41:12.280 --> 0:41:15.880
<v Speaker 4>have taken this book as the foundation of their religion.

0:41:17.520 --> 0:41:20.800
<v Speaker 4>The answer, the truth, which is avoided and even denied

0:41:20.880 --> 0:41:24.719
<v Speaker 4>by the clergy, is simple. These people are the Israelites,

0:41:25.080 --> 0:41:28.200
<v Speaker 4>the children of Abraham, God's chosen people.

0:41:32.080 --> 0:41:34.840
<v Speaker 2>I did watch airs of the Promise. It's only about

0:41:34.840 --> 0:41:37.320
<v Speaker 2>forty minutes long, and it was a waste of my time.

0:41:38.520 --> 0:41:41.120
<v Speaker 2>But the voice you just heard is Pastor Sheldon Emory

0:41:41.280 --> 0:41:45.200
<v Speaker 2>of America's Promised Ministries, a Christian identity minister in Arizona.

0:41:46.840 --> 0:41:48.920
<v Speaker 2>So we know Frank was a big fan of Emory

0:41:49.200 --> 0:41:51.359
<v Speaker 2>and they were in touch at least a little bit.

0:41:52.960 --> 0:41:56.160
<v Speaker 2>There is a scan of an undated pamphlet published by

0:41:56.160 --> 0:41:59.440
<v Speaker 2>Emory's ministry. There was archived in the Gordon Hall and

0:41:59.520 --> 0:42:04.680
<v Speaker 2>Grace Collection of Dissenting an extremist printed Propaganda, that's say

0:42:04.800 --> 0:42:08.120
<v Speaker 2>special collection of materials held at the Brown University Library.

0:42:09.280 --> 0:42:12.640
<v Speaker 2>And this old pamphlet from Emory's ministry has a stamp

0:42:12.680 --> 0:42:15.279
<v Speaker 2>on it showing that it was mailed to the Church

0:42:15.320 --> 0:42:19.600
<v Speaker 2>of Christ and Israel. Now that's the name of Frank's church,

0:42:20.840 --> 0:42:26.520
<v Speaker 2>but the address isn't right. Frank's church was in Ellsworth, Maine,

0:42:26.640 --> 0:42:32.080
<v Speaker 2>and this stamp says Dover, New Hampshire. It turns out

0:42:32.440 --> 0:42:34.920
<v Speaker 2>that when Frank told reporters that he had started churches

0:42:34.960 --> 0:42:37.799
<v Speaker 2>in other New England towns that he traveled around check

0:42:37.840 --> 0:42:42.160
<v Speaker 2>in on from time to time, he wasn't totally lying.

0:42:43.640 --> 0:42:45.440
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I don't know that any of these churches

0:42:45.440 --> 0:42:49.359
<v Speaker 2>had members, but there was at least a guy in

0:42:49.360 --> 0:42:53.080
<v Speaker 2>New Hampshire. The church in Dover was headed by a

0:42:53.120 --> 0:42:57.880
<v Speaker 2>man named Alan Goodrich, who was incidentally one of the

0:42:57.920 --> 0:43:03.919
<v Speaker 2>other hosts at Frank's interfaith Easter program. There isn't much

0:43:03.960 --> 0:43:07.560
<v Speaker 2>surviving evidence that I can find about Frank's church directly.

0:43:08.719 --> 0:43:11.240
<v Speaker 2>He doesn't appear to have published a newsletter, at least

0:43:11.480 --> 0:43:14.480
<v Speaker 2>not one that was archived online or written about in

0:43:14.520 --> 0:43:18.239
<v Speaker 2>a newspaper, at least not that I could find. And

0:43:18.320 --> 0:43:22.320
<v Speaker 2>there are factors complicating the search. Churches that share the

0:43:22.360 --> 0:43:27.480
<v Speaker 2>same name might be chapters of the same organization. They

0:43:27.560 --> 0:43:31.600
<v Speaker 2>might be inspired by one another, or totally unrelated and

0:43:31.760 --> 0:43:35.799
<v Speaker 2>just inspired by the same source material. Sometimes the same

0:43:35.920 --> 0:43:39.200
<v Speaker 2>organization has several names over time or even at the

0:43:39.200 --> 0:43:44.399
<v Speaker 2>same time. A lot of Christian identity organizations have names

0:43:44.440 --> 0:43:47.080
<v Speaker 2>that look like they were assembled by drawing a few

0:43:47.160 --> 0:43:49.799
<v Speaker 2>words out of a hat. And there's only so many

0:43:49.880 --> 0:43:52.880
<v Speaker 2>words in the lexicon here. It's just a sort of

0:43:53.520 --> 0:44:00.239
<v Speaker 2>random hodgepodge of the words Christ, Jesus, Israel, Identity, Kingdom, ministry, America.

0:44:01.440 --> 0:44:03.960
<v Speaker 2>So you do sometimes end up with organizations that have

0:44:04.040 --> 0:44:06.319
<v Speaker 2>the same name that don't have anything to do with

0:44:06.360 --> 0:44:11.080
<v Speaker 2>each other. But there aren't very many references to something

0:44:11.200 --> 0:44:17.480
<v Speaker 2>specifically called the Church of Christ in Israel. Now, there

0:44:17.600 --> 0:44:21.759
<v Speaker 2>is a Christian denomination called the Church of Christ, and

0:44:22.200 --> 0:44:26.640
<v Speaker 2>I think it does have a church in Israel that

0:44:26.800 --> 0:44:31.360
<v Speaker 2>is a completely different thing. But within the Christian identity movement,

0:44:31.600 --> 0:44:34.799
<v Speaker 2>there are only a few references to something called the

0:44:34.880 --> 0:44:35.520
<v Speaker 2>Church of Christ.

0:44:35.520 --> 0:44:36.040
<v Speaker 1>In Israel.

0:44:37.239 --> 0:44:40.440
<v Speaker 2>And I know Alan Goodrich's church in New Hampshire is

0:44:40.520 --> 0:44:43.879
<v Speaker 2>connected to Franks because Goodrich wrote a letter to Grace

0:44:43.920 --> 0:44:46.279
<v Speaker 2>Hoague in nineteen eighty one that was preserved in the

0:44:46.320 --> 0:44:50.439
<v Speaker 2>Hull Hoague collection. But there were at least two other

0:44:50.520 --> 0:44:53.960
<v Speaker 2>people using the name the Church of Christ in Israel,

0:44:55.200 --> 0:44:58.759
<v Speaker 2>and both of them pop up in the nineties. There

0:44:58.800 --> 0:45:03.520
<v Speaker 2>was a chiropractor and Sei California, who wrote prolifically in

0:45:03.560 --> 0:45:07.360
<v Speaker 2>a very unhinged newsletter, but he doesn't seem to have

0:45:07.400 --> 0:45:10.600
<v Speaker 2>done much else. And then there was a group and

0:45:10.640 --> 0:45:16.839
<v Speaker 2>a tiny town in the middle of nowhere in Pennsylvania.

0:45:17.160 --> 0:45:20.759
<v Speaker 2>The Church of Christ in Israel in Pennsylvania was run

0:45:20.760 --> 0:45:24.080
<v Speaker 2>by a man named August Christ at the direction of

0:45:24.160 --> 0:45:28.440
<v Speaker 2>James Wickstrom. So there is a chance that the shared

0:45:28.560 --> 0:45:32.880
<v Speaker 2>name here indicates some relationship, because I believe Frank was

0:45:32.920 --> 0:45:35.840
<v Speaker 2>in touch with Wickstrom, but I just can't find the

0:45:35.880 --> 0:45:40.000
<v Speaker 2>connective tissue to prove this. It would be just like

0:45:40.080 --> 0:45:44.200
<v Speaker 2>Frank to have known August Christ, though I mean, Frank

0:45:44.280 --> 0:45:47.160
<v Speaker 2>knew all kinds of strange characters. Frank was getting into

0:45:47.200 --> 0:45:49.839
<v Speaker 2>hijinks you just wouldn't even believe, So it would make

0:45:50.520 --> 0:45:53.640
<v Speaker 2>perfect sense if he knew a man like August Christ,

0:45:54.760 --> 0:45:58.279
<v Speaker 2>he might have lived a life stranger than Frank's. He

0:45:58.360 --> 0:46:00.640
<v Speaker 2>served nine months in the Navy during the Vietnam but

0:46:00.680 --> 0:46:05.120
<v Speaker 2>he was discharged for being unfit to serve. He was

0:46:05.160 --> 0:46:09.200
<v Speaker 2>a clansman. When the Aryan Nations splintered after Richard Butler's death,

0:46:09.400 --> 0:46:11.880
<v Speaker 2>he led one of the factions, and he tried to

0:46:12.000 --> 0:46:14.759
<v Speaker 2>form an alliance with Al Qaida. He had his own

0:46:14.840 --> 0:46:18.240
<v Speaker 2>Christian Identity church. He was on two episodes of Jerry Springer,

0:46:19.160 --> 0:46:22.400
<v Speaker 2>and before he went to prison for fraudulently obtaining veterans

0:46:22.440 --> 0:46:27.080
<v Speaker 2>benefits and a truly horrific series of sex crimes against children.

0:46:27.840 --> 0:46:31.840
<v Speaker 2>He lost both of his legs to diabetes. We will

0:46:32.239 --> 0:46:35.640
<v Speaker 2>have to come back to August Christ, but.

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<v Speaker 1>I think we're done with Frank.

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<v Speaker 2>Though I'm not done with the stories going on all

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<v Speaker 2>around him. But I haven't decided yet. If we're staying here,

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<v Speaker 2>we're moving on for now. I did spend an awful

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<v Speaker 2>lot of time this week reading some shockingly racist interpretations

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<v Speaker 2>of the Bible based on a misunderstanding of ancient Greek,

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<v Speaker 2>so I think I will have to tell you a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit more about the man Frank Smith ordained in

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<v Speaker 2>two thousand. I mean, if we're going to talk about

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<v Speaker 2>guys who believe Eve had sex with a snake in

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<v Speaker 2>the garden of Eden, there's just no avoiding Bill Fink's

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<v Speaker 2>weird blog.

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<v Speaker 1>But Frank's pardon, the story is over.

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<v Speaker 2>Francis Joseph Smith, the Second, the man George Lincoln Rockwell

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<v Speaker 2>called the Holy Father, the man the FBI called Boston Blackie,

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<v Speaker 2>a bank robber, bomber, loan shark, Nazi, and Christian identity minister.

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<v Speaker 2>Died on October second, twenty twenty, just shy of his

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<v Speaker 2>one hundredth birthday. He signed a will a year before

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<v Speaker 2>he died, and in it he left what little he

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<v Speaker 2>had to his daughter. He scratched out his initials at

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<v Speaker 2>the bottom of a page whose final line reads, I

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<v Speaker 2>have not left my son anything, and this was a

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<v Speaker 2>deliberate choice. Frank's actual parting gift to his son was

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<v Speaker 2>leaving his mailing address on file with the city as

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<v Speaker 2>the point of contact for the church. The church still

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<v Speaker 2>owns all that land, and as of this recording, the

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<v Speaker 2>city of Ellsworth, Maine, is still sending Frank's son past

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<v Speaker 2>due notices or a growing real estate tax Bill. He

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<v Speaker 2>never did convince the State of Maine that it was

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<v Speaker 2>a real church. Weird Little Guys as a production of

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<v Speaker 2>Coal Zone Media and iHeartRadio. It's research, written and recorded

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<v Speaker 2>by me, Willy Hunger. You probably noticed that I have

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<v Speaker 2>a cold this week, so I'm sorry my voice sounds

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<v Speaker 2>a little nasily. Our executive producers are Sophie Lettterman and

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<v Speaker 2>Robert Evans. The show is edited by the wildly talented

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<v Speaker 2>Rory Gagan. The theme music was composed by Brad Dickert.

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<v Speaker 2>You can email me at Riddle the Guy's pot Guess

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<v Speaker 2>at gmail dot com. I will definitely read it, but

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<v Speaker 2>I probably won't answer. It's nothing personal. You can exchange

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<v Speaker 2>conspiracy theories about the show with other listeners on the

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<v Speaker 2>you have questions you'd like answered in an upcoming Q

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<v Speaker 2>and A episode. I think we'll be doing that sometime

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<v Speaker 2>in December. As always, don't post anything that's going to

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