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Speaker 1: I'm Dale LOLLI, he is Matt Williamson. This is the

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Speaker 1: Drive on Steelers Nation Radio. And Matt. I was looking

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Speaker 1: at the thirty third Team website and they had Charles

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Speaker 1: Davis and Paul Burmeister rank the NFL's top rushing backfields

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Speaker 1: for the twenty twenty three season. Okay, so this is

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Speaker 1: this is your entire your entire backfield.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So we don't know why.

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Speaker 1: Again, I don't why they picked seven. I don't know

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Speaker 1: why we when we talked about them last week with

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Speaker 1: the what was the top nine wide receivers? How do

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Speaker 1: you pick in these numbers? I don't know, but that's

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Speaker 1: what they went with.

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Speaker 2: Side notes, I don't know if they're taking this approach too,

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Speaker 2: but I did a little bit of writing for Touchdown

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Speaker 2: Wire and we weren't allowed to ever do five or ten.

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Speaker 2: Eleven's fine. Forty three is great to whatever. I mean,

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Speaker 2: that's fine.

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Speaker 1: This one goes to eleven, but this one goes to seven, seven,

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Speaker 1: So we got seven.

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Speaker 2: So lamar cowns fields cowns her right, I mean, and

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Speaker 2: McCaffrey's ability to catch the ball doesn't right right, Okay, Okay,

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Speaker 2: I like it.

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Speaker 1: So at number seven they have the Colts with Jonathan

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Speaker 2: I think that's really really good. Like my hunches, I

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Speaker 2: would have them higher.

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Speaker 1: That being said, we haven't seen Anthony Richardson do anything

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Speaker 1: yet right now, and he may fumble every time he

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Speaker 1: touches the ball in the NFL. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: It might be a disaster. So that therefore you have

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Speaker 2: to rank on the side of caution with them, which

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Speaker 2: is why they're not higher on this list. I get it.

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Speaker 2: But he also might be the best running quarterback in

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Speaker 1: Maybe Taylor wasn't the best ball carreer in the league

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Speaker 1: last year. I know that. No, he wasn't number six.

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Speaker 1: This one might get some pushback for people from some people.

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Speaker 1: The Jets with Breisse Hall and Michael Carter. Are we

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Speaker 1: putting the cart a little bit before the horse there?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean, I think Hall's really impressive, but he's

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Speaker 2: coming off a major injury. They drafted oli a Conda

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Speaker 2: out of pit, which I didn't think they needed. It

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Speaker 2: was a little bit of a red flag to me

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Speaker 2: in terms of his injury. They don't seem to love

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Speaker 2: Carter and their running back gives or their quarterback gives

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Speaker 2: them nothing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're getting nothing from your quarterback. Like I would

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Speaker 1: rather have the Steelers backfield than that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, Pickkett's gonna have three hundred more yards

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Speaker 2: on the ground than Rogers.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's gonna add to the equation. Harris and Hall

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Speaker 1: are comparable. I'll take I'll take Jalen Warren all day.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this isn't just about rushing yards at the

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Speaker 2: end of the day. But I'll promise you unless Minshew

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Speaker 2: plays the whole year, the Colts backfield will have more

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Speaker 1: And as we saw last year, the Steelers averaged one

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Speaker 1: second half of last season. Yeah, nobody seems to want

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Speaker 1: to pay attention to that nationally.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a lot of it's a lot of yards.

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Speaker 1: It's a lot of yards. You average one hundred and

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Speaker 2: Wait, do you think Rogers is going there just to

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Speaker 2: hand it off the back neck? No injury, no way,

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Speaker 2: no chance. Now that one shouldn't even be in the

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Speaker 1: I take the ID take Atlanta's backfield over that.

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Speaker 2: Oh they I guess they're not on the list. I

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Speaker 1: I would take the I'd take the giant an spackfield

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Speaker 2: By far, Jones is the top six running quarterback. Barkley

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Speaker 1: Yeah, now, maybe those guys are on here down the list.

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Speaker 1: Eagles with Jalen Hurts and they're running back trio.

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Speaker 2: And I'm not going to give them credit for having

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Speaker 1: At four ough Derrick Henry and ty J Spears with

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and ty J Spears, I don't know what he is. No,

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, and any of those other three teams

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Speaker 1: because you're not going to get a bunch of I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, he will, He'll be one hundred and fifty

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Speaker 1: At three are the forty nine Ers with Christian McCaffrey,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I guess he does line up behind the quarterback.

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Speaker 2: And take the football. But how many times is he

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Speaker 1: I don't know that he's going to do that a

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Speaker 2: If you told me Trey Lance was their quarterback, I

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Speaker 2: would be like, yeah, McCaffery, yeah right, that's that's different

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this list stinks. Yeah, I'm not digging this.

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Speaker 2: That's a good conversation, but the list stinks.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, we're going to come up with some

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Speaker 2: That's a good backfield, Yeah, but we're counting quarterbacks too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what are they going to get? What are they

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Speaker 1: going to get out of Jordan Love as a rusher?

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Speaker 2: I don't know, right, right, right?

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Speaker 1: Does he finish with four hundred rushing yards this season?

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Speaker 1: Okay? Does he finish with three hundred rushing yards this season? Potentially? Okay?

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Speaker 1: it's not as good as what the Giants have, right, Oh.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not good. I just went real quick to

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: The Bears were number one by fall. We haven't even

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Speaker 2: mentioned them, right, I don't even care who their running

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Speaker 1: They're not even I can tell you right now, they're

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Speaker 1: Now you don't have the Bears.

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Speaker 2: They also had the yard the most yards per carry.

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Speaker 1: Not only that, you have another team from the NFC

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Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, I mean, compare to the Bears and Packers,

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Speaker 2: it's not even close.

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Speaker 1: Which team is gonna run from war yards in twenty

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Speaker 2: So you mentioned a couple of these, but the team

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Speaker 1: Like in some of those teams, some of those teams

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, which is if you have a healthy Kyler let alone,

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Speaker 2: Allen let alone, Lamar Fields or Richardson, you should be

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree.

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Speaker 2: Again, I don't I know, they're not predicting who's going

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Speaker 1: Yeah. The number one team, number one backfield according to

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Speaker 1: I think Fields is the best running quarterback in the league.

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Speaker 1: Ritter's not a bad runner.

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Speaker 2: The thing about Atlanta, though, their third on this list,

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Speaker 1: That's true, But I think I think Ritter this year.

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Speaker 1: they benched Mariota.

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Speaker 2: He left a team, yes, and he was horrible.

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Speaker 1: So I think it was kind of like what the

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Speaker 1: I think there was some of that going on with

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Speaker 1: better he's a better runner than what he showed last year.

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Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, I mean he's Pickett esque.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I think they're they're similar. Like I think they

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Whereas last year they again they didn't want him

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Speaker 1: doing that because as soon as they benched Mariota, he said, Sayonara,

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Speaker 2: One, and now you at least have Heineke and hey Riddard,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you let him. You're not gonna send him out there,

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Speaker 1: No, not one bit. Like Jon is a much better

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Speaker 2: Right, all right, one was an early second. One was

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Speaker 2: And they design it. Yeah, like it's different play breaks, down, scramble, slide,

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Speaker 2: Awful. I mean to see the fourth best running quarterback

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I can you make it argument, and he's you know,

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Speaker 2: I think he's a better running quarterback than Hurts period.

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Speaker 1: No, I agree. So again, I think I think we

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Speaker 1: because you're getting nothing out of the quarterback, same reason

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Speaker 1: I can't. I don't know if I can go to

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Speaker 2: Not enough?

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Speaker 1: And Deebo doesn't make up for that with his two

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Speaker 1: those teams that we just talked about good backs, right,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they're actually very comparable to the Packers who

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you.

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Speaker 2: I I list fun conversation.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think it does open to you, know,

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Speaker 2: To your point, the Steelers are closer to being on

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Speaker 1: And we would not have had that conversation the last

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Speaker 2: Right right, right right. And I think quarterback rushing has

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Speaker 1: No, I do too, and it should. I mean, it's

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Speaker 2: Huge. So we just talked about the best runners in

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Speaker 1: Kenny isn't, but he might be tense, right, he's in

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Speaker 1: your he's in that conversation. Yeah, yeah, of those second

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, no. You know, guys like Lawrence are better

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he's a Steeler. Fans went nuts a

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Speaker 1: No, no, very little, you know, right, Yeah, I don't

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Speaker 2: Right, it's Wilson. I mean he scrambles here and there,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and so you want to take advantage of that,

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Speaker 1: you know, while you still have it. It does give you,

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Speaker 2: Right, No, if you're doing backfield, quarterback has to have

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Speaker 2: Right, right right, I mean Chubb Henry versus you know,

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Speaker 1: They're all good, you know, But what's the quarterback going

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Really, Baltimore and especially Chicago should be one and two.

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Speaker 1: What's out a doubt. I mean they've got they've got

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Speaker 2: Right, and not to mention, Yeah, you lost Montgomery and

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Speaker 1: The elite rushing quarterback of that equation is all that matters.

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Speaker 1: I mean, what do you have twelve hundred yards last year.

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Speaker 1: Like that's just you know, you're going to run for

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Speaker 2: And as mentioned like with Jalen Hurts, Hurts is a

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Speaker 1: No. No, I mean Field's highlight runs are highlight runs.

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Speaker 2: Highlight runs.

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Speaker 1: I'm like all time highlight runs.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like some of the best backs in the league.

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Speaker 2: Highlight runs. So I just did pull it up. This

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Speaker 2: I bet he had averaged about one hundred yards a game.

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Speaker 1: He was basically he was basically RB one in the league.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, any who plays fantasy knows how important

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Eight and the touchdowns and you know, the dual threat.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, I want to say he's the

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Speaker 1: It's Chicago. And it shouldn't even be close.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, Baltimore's anyone close because they would have

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Speaker 1: Games, right right, Yeah, But how they make it, how

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Speaker 2: Fun though.

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