WEBVTT - RAW After Wrestlemania/Top Heel Kevin Owens

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, this is Brian Alvarez and this is today's edition

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<v Speaker 1>of the Wrestling Observer Daily podcast on the eight Side Network.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's get it all. How's it going, everybody? Brian Alvarez

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<v Speaker 1>here on or Wrestling Observer Live. We are here every

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<v Speaker 1>day Monday through Friday, New Pacific Threeastern, Sunday three Pacific,

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<v Speaker 1>sixth Eastern. It is Tuesday in this program. And you

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<v Speaker 1>know that means we've got last night's Raw. They're Raw

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<v Speaker 1>after WrestleMania, the legendary Raw after WrestleMania. It was an

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<v Speaker 1>al right show. We had a wait three hours for

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<v Speaker 1>Roman Reigns to tell us that he would tell us

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<v Speaker 1>what was going on on the next show. That was interesting,

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<v Speaker 1>and I always see what's going on? What's chat talking about?

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<v Speaker 1>A I asked myself as the show begins, what what

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<v Speaker 1>about Raw or any of the news. What's really what's

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<v Speaker 1>really getting their conversation going? And of all things, it's Elias,

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<v Speaker 1>of all things, So I guess we got to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about Elias today. You guys know the story of this

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<v Speaker 1>Elias bloke. Remember Elias, Remember he played that guitar and

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<v Speaker 1>then uh and then he did those vignettes and he

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<v Speaker 1>said that Elias was dead. Long live Elias, and this

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<v Speaker 1>was like nine months ago or something crazy, and then

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<v Speaker 1>he just vanished off television forever. We never saw him again.

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<v Speaker 1>And then they cut a whole bunch of people, but

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<v Speaker 1>they didn't cut Alias, and I was like, where's this

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<v Speaker 1>Elias guy at there's nowhere to be seen. And then

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<v Speaker 1>last night on Raw, Kevin Owens is doing a promo

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<v Speaker 1>top hell Kevin Owens, I might add, and he's interrupted

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<v Speaker 1>by Elias, who has shaved his face and does not

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<v Speaker 1>have a guitar. And this this new Elias, he looks

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<v Speaker 1>like somebody like straight out of you know, w WF

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<v Speaker 1>like a job guy from Superstars of Wrestling about just

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<v Speaker 1>got you know, long hair, you know, big dude, totally

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<v Speaker 1>generic looking, generic trunks, everything it comes out and coming

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<v Speaker 1>out and says, uh, what are you doing here? Elias Lisase,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not Alias. I mean Lias's brother Ezekiel. He's playing

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<v Speaker 1>his own brother. So anyway we can talk about this

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<v Speaker 1>compelling storyline and everything else that went down on rob

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<v Speaker 1>We got Wrestle media Weekend business notes. We got a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of news. We'll get into it after the break.

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<v Speaker 1>Wrestling Observer Live back in the show. Brain Eva is

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<v Speaker 1>here Wrestling Observer Live Mike and for v B also

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<v Speaker 1>Wrestling Observer dot Com. I can't. I can't believe this

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<v Speaker 1>is the top story today. That's all everyone was talking about. Ezekiel.

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<v Speaker 1>So listen. I got a text during the break from

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<v Speaker 1>producer Rob. If you guys are aware of Rob, Producer Rob,

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<v Speaker 1>but he's he's regularly wrong, and he goes here, you

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<v Speaker 1>don't like the Ezekiel storyline. I'm shocked. Shocked, I say,

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<v Speaker 1>I never said I didn't like the storyline. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>I can't even say whether I like the storyline or

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<v Speaker 1>not because there is no storyline right now. We have

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<v Speaker 1>a guy who's claiming he's his own brother. Now, listen,

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<v Speaker 1>I once saw this storyline and of all places, t

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<v Speaker 1>n A where you had the monster Abyss, and then

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<v Speaker 1>one day his brother Joe Park showed up. Okay, dude,

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<v Speaker 1>this storyline was awesome. But there's a big difference. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a big difference. Yeah, Park Park and Park he

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<v Speaker 1>was he was an attorney, Joe Park. So the problem,

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<v Speaker 1>the problem here the guys don't seem to realize is

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<v Speaker 1>Abyss was a masked monster and he had a mask

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<v Speaker 1>with a long haired wig sewn into it. Okay, So

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<v Speaker 1>when he was gonna be Joe Park he took the

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<v Speaker 1>mask off and he combed his hair and he you know,

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<v Speaker 1>put his glasses spectacles on, and he was all goofy

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<v Speaker 1>and uh. He could play two characters. And it was

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<v Speaker 1>fun because you know, you were sitting there thinking, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>am I supposed to believe that there actually are two

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<v Speaker 1>people here? Or am I supposed to believe that Joe

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<v Speaker 1>park is pretending to be his brother? But he's actually

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<v Speaker 1>Abyss without his mask on? And then you do a

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<v Speaker 1>bunch of storylines from there. Elias doesn't wear a mask.

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<v Speaker 1>His mask was he had a beard, So like, where

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<v Speaker 1>are we going here? Like, you know, Ezekiel is gonna

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<v Speaker 1>come out here and do some stuff and then he's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna put on a fake beard, like a Santa beard

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<v Speaker 1>with the thing, and then you know, play some guitar

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever, and you know he's gonna be Elias that

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<v Speaker 1>day and then he'll take it off. I mean, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe they can make it so campy at work, but

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<v Speaker 1>you're already it's already not gonna work the same way

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<v Speaker 1>it did with Joe Park. An Abyss, but I mean

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<v Speaker 1>Abiss does work for w w E, So I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, maybe he made this suggestion and uh and

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<v Speaker 1>way we go. But I mean maybe they have some

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<v Speaker 1>other grand plan. I mean, if you had had Caine member,

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<v Speaker 1>when Caine had the mask and then they unmasked him,

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<v Speaker 1>like if they would have done it then before they

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<v Speaker 1>had masked him, like he had his mask on and

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<v Speaker 1>his long hair, and then one day Mayor Glenn showed

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<v Speaker 1>up and he wore a suit and he had a

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<v Speaker 1>shaved head or whatever, and he, you know, talk politics,

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<v Speaker 1>and you really wanted to get rid of this big

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<v Speaker 1>red monster because it was like, you know, hurting his

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<v Speaker 1>political career that you know, his brother was like a

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<v Speaker 1>crazed arsonist or something like that. That'd be one thing.

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<v Speaker 1>But we got an unmasked guy who's now praining as

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<v Speaker 1>his own unmasked How do you make this work? What

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<v Speaker 1>do you mean? I don't know what they're gonna do.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe I'll love it, but so far, I'm like, what

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<v Speaker 1>is this? You really could have pushed it with the

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<v Speaker 1>Kane storyline, because you could have had his brother him

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<v Speaker 1>join up his past as the unibomb and in O

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<v Speaker 1>v W could have been brought up. But this is

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<v Speaker 1>this is right out of a daytime folding the Beautiful,

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<v Speaker 1>Young and the Restless General hospital sort of thing. Character

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<v Speaker 1>Lee comes back. No that's not me. Well yeah, but

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<v Speaker 1>there's no one cares that he left. No one even

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<v Speaker 1>remembered he was gone. I mean, it'd be one thing

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<v Speaker 1>if you know, a sudden Randy Orton disappears and then

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<v Speaker 1>some long haired guy shows up and he says he's

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<v Speaker 1>his own brother or something like that, or Barry or

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<v Speaker 1>maybe he let it grow out and it got all

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<v Speaker 1>puffy and he claimed he with his own father. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>about Randy, I'm cowboy Bob. He could have showed them

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<v Speaker 1>with a cast on. I got ideas, but I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>sure about this one. Anyway. I gotta let it play

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<v Speaker 1>out right. We got a lot of other stuff that

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<v Speaker 1>we gotta get into it. Trust me. Is more important

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<v Speaker 1>than that name though, because it was Ezekiel Jackson was

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<v Speaker 1>the less Ezekiel. And ww's about that name. Yeah, you

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<v Speaker 1>know in the Bible, this Ezekiel fella. He saw this,

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<v Speaker 1>this this vision that all the the UFO folks think

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<v Speaker 1>was a UFO. So maybe the story could be that

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<v Speaker 1>Elias was abducted and they brought down his Eikiel. That's

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<v Speaker 1>where he's at. Anyway, I got a story to tell y'all.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not really a story, but so, uh, here's a

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<v Speaker 1>n x T tonight. This is the line of for

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<v Speaker 1>n x T. We got Raquel and Dakota against Toxic Attraction.

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<v Speaker 1>Toxic Attraction lost the belts, and they're getting an immediate

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<v Speaker 1>rematch because we got a lot of immediate rematches I've

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<v Speaker 1>noticed lately, even though anyway, we're gonna hear from the

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<v Speaker 1>North American Champion, Cameron Grimes, Nikita Lions versus Lash Legend

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<v Speaker 1>is tonight and the fallout from Standing Deliver. So on Saturday,

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<v Speaker 1>we had the standard deliver and it was Ziggler versus

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<v Speaker 1>braun Breaker, and braun Breaker was defeated by Dolph Ziggler.

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<v Speaker 1>And that afternoon I I heard from someone who's close

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<v Speaker 1>to folks and n x T and I know a

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<v Speaker 1>lot about what's going on there, and they said, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it looks like Ziggler is gonna be champion for a while.

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<v Speaker 1>This was Saturday, Okay, So then Sunday or Monday, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>at about eleven thirty or so, I I heard actually

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<v Speaker 1>from several people that we're gonna have uh n x

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<v Speaker 1>T title change on the show tonight. One person said

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<v Speaker 1>n XT title changed tonight, and the other person specified

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<v Speaker 1>that it was gonna be uh braun Breaker beating Dolve

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<v Speaker 1>Ziggler to win the title back on Raw, which is

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<v Speaker 1>why I said everything that I the said yesterday. So,

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<v Speaker 1>uh so I watched the show and they do braun

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<v Speaker 1>Breaker and Dolve Ziggler, and braun Breaker defeats Dolph Ziggler

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<v Speaker 1>and he wins the NXT Championship. He's a new champion,

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<v Speaker 1>He's won the belt. So I continue watching the show

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<v Speaker 1>and everything like that, and then about forty five minutes later,

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<v Speaker 1>they have a commercial for an x T, and the

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<v Speaker 1>commercial for n x T, the whole commercial it's about

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<v Speaker 1>how dolves Bagler beat braun Breaker and we're gonna get

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<v Speaker 1>the fallout on n x T, which, oddly enough, they

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<v Speaker 1>said n x T tonight at nine o'clock, so not

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<v Speaker 1>only it was tomorrow's commercial that they aired on the

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<v Speaker 1>wrong day, and the commercial that they had had been

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<v Speaker 1>created with the idea that Ziggler was still the champion.

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<v Speaker 1>So anyway, it's the usual, you know, Oh, Brian and

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<v Speaker 1>navy chain plans change what a compount bro They changed

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<v Speaker 1>this plan, and we have all evidence. All evidence points

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<v Speaker 1>to on Saturday Dolphin was gonna be the champion for

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<v Speaker 1>a while, and by Monday he had already lost the

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<v Speaker 1>belt to braun Breaker on Rock. I think it is

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<v Speaker 1>my theory. I think that on Saturday the idea was

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<v Speaker 1>we are going to beat braun Breaker and then he's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be called up to the main roster on the

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<v Speaker 1>Raw after WrestleMania, and then I don't know, you know

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<v Speaker 1>what happened over the next day or so. Maybe someone

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<v Speaker 1>was like, dude, can we have him for like six

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<v Speaker 1>more months? You know, maybe you know what it might

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<v Speaker 1>have been. Maybe they watched that Omas match and they

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<v Speaker 1>were like, we don't want to call anybody up to early,

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<v Speaker 1>even braun Breaker, so let's leave him down there for

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<v Speaker 1>a while, and instead of calling him up, we'll give

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<v Speaker 1>him a big win on Raw. You know, hey, everyone,

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<v Speaker 1>here's his braun Breaker. Fella. Oh, he gets a big win,

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<v Speaker 1>wins a championship on Raw, y'all cheer and everything like that,

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<v Speaker 1>and then he he stays on n x T for

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<v Speaker 1>a while. So I don't know what the whole mindset

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<v Speaker 1>was of everything that happened, but clearly there was a

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<v Speaker 1>change of plans this weekend and Brun Breakers back as

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<v Speaker 1>the champion, and uh, he's gonna be I guess on

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<v Speaker 1>the show, which I think is actually tonight. Unlike what

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<v Speaker 1>they told me on Raw last night. It doesn't kill

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<v Speaker 1>my feelings that he's back in n x T at all.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't, but I just don't. I don't know. In

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<v Speaker 1>another world in common sense, he's only been wrestling for

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<v Speaker 1>what officially six months, he's been in their program for

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<v Speaker 1>and so yeah, I mean, him staying down there for

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<v Speaker 1>another year in theory is going to make him a

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<v Speaker 1>better wrestler, a better worker, but that also depends on

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<v Speaker 1>what they're teaching him, what they want him to do,

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<v Speaker 1>who he's working with. And it's like bron Breaker on

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<v Speaker 1>the main roster. I mean, there's all these things that

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<v Speaker 1>in theory could go bad, but it's like him on

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<v Speaker 1>the main roster makes a lot more sense than let's say, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know Gable Stevenson debuting on the main roster,

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<v Speaker 1>as opposed to really now taking bron Breaker's place in

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<v Speaker 1>n x T and having Braun up on the main

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<v Speaker 1>roster there they finally debuted Vier. You have Cody showing up,

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<v Speaker 1>You've now re debuted alias as Ezekiel. There's obviously these

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<v Speaker 1>Postmania changes that get made. Bron Breaker now to me

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<v Speaker 1>would be a great time for him to be up there,

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<v Speaker 1>but they again, for whatever reason, he's back down in

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<v Speaker 1>n x D. I guess he's going to continue on

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<v Speaker 1>with Dolphin Bobby Rude, which you know that's helped them

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<v Speaker 1>as far as refreshing them. But again, it surprises me

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<v Speaker 1>that they would want on down there for really any

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<v Speaker 1>extended period of time. But yet they're still, as far

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<v Speaker 1>as I know, wanting to debut Gable Stevenson on the

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<v Speaker 1>main roster. Back in a moment, Bros. Observer Live back

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<v Speaker 1>in the show Bright now Vera is here, Wrestling Observer

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<v Speaker 1>Live Mix, sumbur Vid also Wrestling Observer dot Com. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna do this raw report here real quick, then we'll

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<v Speaker 1>talk about it. There's a lot to talk about. So

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<v Speaker 1>it opened up with a Cody Rhodes promo and uh,

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<v Speaker 1>he did a great promo, a w style promo, and

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<v Speaker 1>he acknowledged that he had been swear He said it

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<v Speaker 1>was an easy decision to come here send a multi

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<v Speaker 1>year deal vance chanted you deserve it. And then he

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<v Speaker 1>told a story about a photo that they had in

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<v Speaker 1>their house, Dusty had in his house of a match

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<v Speaker 1>at Madison Square Garden September ninete. Dusty's holding the belt

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<v Speaker 1>over his head, and Cody notes he held the belt,

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<v Speaker 1>but he never actually won it because he won the

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<v Speaker 1>match via count out, and the title cannot change hands

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<v Speaker 1>via count out, and so he said it was the

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<v Speaker 1>belt at Hogan Undertaker Michael's Triple h and many other

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<v Speaker 1>had had held. And he said his father was a

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<v Speaker 1>hero and he had vowed that someday he was going

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<v Speaker 1>to get that belt and he was going to hand

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<v Speaker 1>it to his father, but his father died, so he

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<v Speaker 1>can no longer hand of the belt to his father.

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<v Speaker 1>But he can win that belt and strap it around

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<v Speaker 1>his own waist for himself, for the fans, and for

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<v Speaker 1>his family. So that's the storyline. Cody's goal is to

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<v Speaker 1>win the w w E championship that his father never won,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's a lot of ways that you can do this, right,

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<v Speaker 1>There's also a lot of ways you can I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>he's gonna win the title eventually, but I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>there's a way they could do and it would be awesome,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's a way the way they could just do it.

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<v Speaker 1>So we'll see which one they choose, but I know

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<v Speaker 1>which one I'm leading towards. I hope for the other.

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<v Speaker 1>We had a non title match. This was absolutely positively

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<v Speaker 1>classic w w E. It is champions Sasha Banks and

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<v Speaker 1>Naomi versus Ria Ripley and Live Morrigan, but it is

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<v Speaker 1>a non title match. Sasha Banks and Naomi versus Rhea

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<v Speaker 1>and Live in a non title match ends when Live

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<v Speaker 1>Morrigan is pinned clean in the middle of the ring

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<v Speaker 1>by the champions. Ria has been with one geek partner

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<v Speaker 1>after another. She can take no more. She is upset

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<v Speaker 1>and she just storms to the back. Later, Live goes

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<v Speaker 1>up there. She says, what was that all about? It

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<v Speaker 1>seems pretty self explainatory to me. Marie says, you know what,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry. I was frustrated, but I have spoken Adam

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<v Speaker 1>Pierce and Sony Deville and they have granted us a

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<v Speaker 1>championship match next week. So they lost a non title

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<v Speaker 1>match clean in the middle of the ring to lead

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<v Speaker 1>to a championship match a next week's show. When a

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<v Speaker 1>Kevin Owens segment this was the return or the debut

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<v Speaker 1>of Elias Slash Ezekiel, however you want to determine. It

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<v Speaker 1>appears they will be having a match or something from

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<v Speaker 1>Stone Cold Steve Austin in the main event of WrestleMania

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<v Speaker 1>to Ezekiel, the Man Is defeated Dominic Mysterie You in

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<v Speaker 1>thirty one seconds clean with the skull crushing finale thirty

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<v Speaker 1>one seconds clean in the middle, and then Veer debuted

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<v Speaker 1>and he beat up Dominic and he beat up Ray

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<v Speaker 1>and next week he will kill the legendary Ray Mysterio Jr.

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<v Speaker 1>On Monday Night Raw you hatt a Bianca bell Air promo.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought Bianca was awesome, but you know what, Nobody

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<v Speaker 1>wants Becky Lynch to be a heel. They've never wanted

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<v Speaker 1>Becky Lynch to be a heel. They've always wanted her

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<v Speaker 1>to be a baby face. And so Bianca's here talking

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<v Speaker 1>about Becky and there are people booing her, there are

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<v Speaker 1>people chanting for Becky Lynch, and bro get these two

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<v Speaker 1>away from each other. Immediately, get them away from each other.

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<v Speaker 1>Move Becky on to somebody else, and move be or yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>move Becky to somebody else and move Bianca onto some

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<v Speaker 1>heel that people aren't gonna so that you can actually

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<v Speaker 1>get over as the baby face, because the irony is

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<v Speaker 1>that everything that Becky complains about is a hell is

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<v Speaker 1>what's actually happening for real with Bianca Miller. So get

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<v Speaker 1>them away from each other the sooner the better. For

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<v Speaker 1>the love of God, braun Breaker beat delve Ziggler to

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<v Speaker 1>win the NXT title ten minutes, no heat, but they

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<v Speaker 1>did pop big for the finish because they got to

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<v Speaker 1>see a championship change. You know, we've got an audience that, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know that they're not watching n x T two

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<v Speaker 1>point oh so, and who is except for me. We

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<v Speaker 1>had a Bobby lash Lee m v P segment. This

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<v Speaker 1>was also classic Deva viewee. You had a group called

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<v Speaker 1>the Hurt Business. They were the coolest group in all

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<v Speaker 1>of raw or SmackDown. You had m v P, you

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<v Speaker 1>had Bobby Lashly, you had Shelton, Benjamin, Cedric, Alexander. So

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<v Speaker 1>what do they do. They break off Sheldon Cedric, then

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<v Speaker 1>they reunite them and no one cares, and they break

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<v Speaker 1>them up again, and no one because no one even

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<v Speaker 1>knows what's going on. But you at least had Lashly

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<v Speaker 1>who's not a great pro momo and m v P,

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<v Speaker 1>who's an awesome promo. Well, they have a match in

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<v Speaker 1>Mania with Bobby lash Len Omas. It absolutely sucks. Omas

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<v Speaker 1>is incapable of having a good match. All people can

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<v Speaker 1>talk about is at the very least, I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to see when get fired, But you gotta send the

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<v Speaker 1>guy back to developmental or something not w w E. No,

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<v Speaker 1>Bobby Lashly comes out, he does a promo which is

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<v Speaker 1>not very good, and then Omas comes out and m

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<v Speaker 1>v P turns on Bobby Lashly and now m v

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<v Speaker 1>P is managing O Moss against Bobby Lashly. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>there's an old saying accentuate the strengths and uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>don't expose everyone's weaknesses. This is this is like, this

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<v Speaker 1>is idiot proof. W w either making so much money

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't matter, but you have literally done everything wrong

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<v Speaker 1>with everybody involved in this whole scenario. Great, now we've

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<v Speaker 1>got m v P and Omas. I'm also have bad matches,

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<v Speaker 1>Lashly do bad promos. Then we had Zelene and Carmela.

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<v Speaker 1>They're supposed to face Natty and Shana, but Carmela dances

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<v Speaker 1>all the way down to the ring. The good commercials.

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<v Speaker 1>She dances during the whole commercial break. Apparently they come

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<v Speaker 1>back and Selene is just sick of this dancing turns

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<v Speaker 1>on her. I hate you. It's all it's all about you.

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<v Speaker 1>Your husband's an idiot for marrying you. But boy, he's

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<v Speaker 1>a handon and I'm like, oh my god. Now Corey

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<v Speaker 1>Graves is a sex symbol all the women want. Carmela

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<v Speaker 1>gets mad. I'm so like, I cannot wait for them

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<v Speaker 1>to get married. I cannot wait. He's leaving. Thank god,

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<v Speaker 1>she's leaving. Get off my television. This is the ultimate

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<v Speaker 1>go away. He did it. I tolerated it for long enough.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't take it anymore. Thankfully they're leaving, and Jerry

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<v Speaker 1>Lawler is replacing Corey Graves for a while. I yea

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<v Speaker 1>it is. I hope, like Carl Listen, Corey Grays, when

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<v Speaker 1>he's just a commentator, is better than Jerry Lawler. But

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<v Speaker 1>now he's not a commentator. He's a part of the storyline.

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<v Speaker 1>The women are fighting over him. He's got a pander

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<v Speaker 1>to his I'm over it. Get out of here for

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<v Speaker 1>a while. Like, honest to god, I wish them nothing

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<v Speaker 1>but the best, and I hope that they can pay

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<v Speaker 1>for like a six month honeymoon and then they can

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<v Speaker 1>come back and start over again, and like it's over,

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<v Speaker 1>this is over. I got it, you're married. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>care anymore. CALLI. I think you're handsome. Corey Jimminey Christmas.

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<v Speaker 1>Then we had Austin Theory USO's versus Finnbalor Ran Jordan Riddle.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if they like think that Finnbaler is

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<v Speaker 1>leaving or something, but I mean they're just beating him

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<v Speaker 1>like a drum. Austin Theory pins him for about the

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<v Speaker 1>eighth time, because you know Austin theory is and they

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<v Speaker 1>even said it on TV. He is Vince's new chosen

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<v Speaker 1>one because Vince always has to find a handsome guy

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<v Speaker 1>with a good physique who can work. But then he's

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<v Speaker 1>got to go beat everybody that works better than he does,

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<v Speaker 1>and everybody turns on him and hates the guy and

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<v Speaker 1>they think he's being shoved down there. This is classic,

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<v Speaker 1>classic w w E. That's what we're seeing here. Edge

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<v Speaker 1>and Damian Priest segment fans just mocking them throughout this segment.

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<v Speaker 1>Edge is now uh the old seth rawlins Messiah Gimmick.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna be brooding and do uh, you know, very

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<v Speaker 1>generic monotone promos. Damian Priest is, uh, you know, it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's literally it's a Jericho appreciation society, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>Edge and Damian Priest is, I don't know, I want

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<v Speaker 1>a two point oh. But anyway, fans are chanting, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't care, and then Edge goes, of course you

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<v Speaker 1>don't care, you're you're idiots, and they chant we are idiots. Whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>it'll be better next week they won't have this crowd.

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<v Speaker 1>And then a Stiles comes out and they beat him

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<v Speaker 1>up and they're gonna give him the concerto. But thank

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<v Speaker 1>Lee for once in in anyone's life the guy has

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<v Speaker 1>actually come out to save a j And then we

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<v Speaker 1>get a chant for Jamie Noble, who was the only

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<v Speaker 1>over guy in the segment on this raw. After WrestleMania,

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<v Speaker 1>we had the Street Province versus Alpha Academy. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it was all right, but it's one of those matches

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<v Speaker 1>where they're all in the ring together as a Texas

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<v Speaker 1>Tornado match, so they're like falling on each other and

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<v Speaker 1>they're in everybody's way. This would have been a thousand

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<v Speaker 1>times better it's just a tag match, but after WrestleMania,

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<v Speaker 1>we gotta do something wacky. And then uh Ford pinned

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<v Speaker 1>Gable splashed him through a table. It's a good finish,

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<v Speaker 1>and I mean, they worked hard, but I think this

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<v Speaker 1>could have been better. And then the main event of

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<v Speaker 1>the show is a Roman Reigins segment. Roman Rains comes out,

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<v Speaker 1>he goes, I know what you guys want to hear about,

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<v Speaker 1>but let's mix it up a little. Paul tell everyone

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<v Speaker 1>how great I am. Isn't that every Roman promo? So

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<v Speaker 1>Paul tells us how great he is and all of

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<v Speaker 1>the business records that have been set under Roman reigns,

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<v Speaker 1>and then he gives them Mike to Roman Reigns, and

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<v Speaker 1>Roman says, you know, after what I did at WrestleMania

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<v Speaker 1>unified these idols be brock lesner some men. Some men

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<v Speaker 1>would call it a career, but not me. I am

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<v Speaker 1>a progressive tribal chief. He says. Perhaps he's running for office.

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<v Speaker 1>And he says, I'm gonna tell you guys what's next

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<v Speaker 1>on SmackDown. And then they all go like this, and

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<v Speaker 1>then the fans, I'll go like this. Roman was over

0:23:21.880 --> 0:23:24.280
<v Speaker 1>his total baby face. They weren't even mad that he

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't gonna tell tonight. They were like cool SmackDown and

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<v Speaker 1>that's how the show ended. So there you go. I

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<v Speaker 1>was not blown away by this raw. I just wasn't.

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<v Speaker 1>It didn't suck, but it was not the raw after

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<v Speaker 1>WrestleMania we've seen in the past. That was more of

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<v Speaker 1>a raw hangover type of deally because again he wasn't.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't an awful show at all. Uh, some of

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<v Speaker 1>the monotony of those seeing WrestleMania footage in there as

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<v Speaker 1>opposed to some of the long, grown out stuff that

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<v Speaker 1>they usually do. Again, it was okay, and I guess

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<v Speaker 1>we can get into a little bit more of it.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll get more do with Mike after the break. Everybody

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<v Speaker 1>hold that funt Observer live back in the show. Brian

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<v Speaker 1>Elba is here Wrestling Observer Alive. Mike Sumberviv also of

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<v Speaker 1>Wrestling Observer dot Com. Hey, listen, we can talk about

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<v Speaker 1>RAF to wrestle meeting and all that kind of stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's talk about some actual, real important stuff very quickly.

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<v Speaker 1>I am man enough to admit when I am wrong,

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<v Speaker 1>and no, anyway, the great old Cohn is being honored

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<v Speaker 1>for having saved a girl from an assault. This is

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<v Speaker 1>the greatest story. On the evening of March twenty nine,

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<v Speaker 1>Con reportedly subdued and in he breeded sixty one year

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<v Speaker 1>old man who had grabbed a ten year old girl

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<v Speaker 1>by both shoulders. Conde see the man harassing the girl

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<v Speaker 1>before stepping into intervene. Incident took place out side JR.

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<v Speaker 1>Musashi Kosugi station in Kawasaki City. Nakara Police honored Great

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<v Speaker 1>o Kan Monday, April four with a letter of appreciation

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<v Speaker 1>for his efforts. He told Tokyo Sports the recognition was

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<v Speaker 1>more valuable to him than a championship belt, if I

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<v Speaker 1>recall correctly. When the police showed up and they asked

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<v Speaker 1>him who he was, he responded, I am the Great

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<v Speaker 1>Okon of New Japan Pro Wrestling right there, and then

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<v Speaker 1>I think later they he was interviewed or something like that,

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<v Speaker 1>and he got in a plug for the TV show

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<v Speaker 1>This guy's this guy is a real deal. I ever

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<v Speaker 1>said anything bad about the Great o'con, I apologize, but

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<v Speaker 1>I mean he's still not the best worker in New Japan.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's not. Nobody ever said, listen, this is what you

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<v Speaker 1>will to understand. I am able to I am able

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<v Speaker 1>to separate real life from this business, unlike some people. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>and listen, I wish nothing but health and happiness and

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<v Speaker 1>prosperity to for example, to miss. I hope that when

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<v Speaker 1>he goes home like his wife and his children and

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<v Speaker 1>his family and his father, and I will be as

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<v Speaker 1>a wonderful life with all sincerity. Absolutely the same with everybody. Okay. Now,

0:26:29.600 --> 0:26:33.359
<v Speaker 1>he's a wrestler, horrible. He wrestles like he's underwater. He

0:26:33.440 --> 0:26:36.640
<v Speaker 1>was outshined by Logan Paul. But these are different things.

0:26:37.200 --> 0:26:42.080
<v Speaker 1>Some people don't understand that. Okay. So like the Great O'con,

0:26:42.800 --> 0:26:45.840
<v Speaker 1>I can't say enough great things about about this person.

0:26:46.640 --> 0:26:49.000
<v Speaker 1>Now is wrestler. You know, he still got a little

0:26:49.000 --> 0:26:51.159
<v Speaker 1>ways to go, but he's you know, he's had some

0:26:51.200 --> 0:26:55.200
<v Speaker 1>good man. Here's the thing with Great o'con. Okay, I'm

0:26:55.200 --> 0:26:59.280
<v Speaker 1>talking about the Great o'con. The Great o'kan is everybody

0:26:59.320 --> 0:27:03.639
<v Speaker 1>in wrestling. When the Great o'con doesn't match where he

0:27:03.680 --> 0:27:06.119
<v Speaker 1>has to go in there and like wrestle like an

0:27:06.119 --> 0:27:09.960
<v Speaker 1>amateur wrestler, it's great. But then when he has to

0:27:10.000 --> 0:27:11.840
<v Speaker 1>go in there and you know, do all though whatever

0:27:12.000 --> 0:27:14.919
<v Speaker 1>and ah, and not as great. You gotta work to

0:27:14.960 --> 0:27:19.680
<v Speaker 1>a person's strengths and and you know, and avoid their weaknesses.

0:27:19.680 --> 0:27:22.520
<v Speaker 1>How many times do we say this, Mike? So Anyway,

0:27:22.800 --> 0:27:25.280
<v Speaker 1>in this case though, aren't you really wanting to blame

0:27:25.400 --> 0:27:29.280
<v Speaker 1>Jotto though? Because the reality is a lot of guys

0:27:29.320 --> 0:27:31.879
<v Speaker 1>they go on their excursions, they come back. Is something.

0:27:31.920 --> 0:27:36.359
<v Speaker 1>What we've seen under Jatto and and their Ghato and Jotto,

0:27:36.640 --> 0:27:39.959
<v Speaker 1>I guess really both of them, we've seen guys come

0:27:40.000 --> 0:27:44.160
<v Speaker 1>back as characters. There was a heavy emphasis on characters.

0:27:44.160 --> 0:27:46.399
<v Speaker 1>That's why we got great Ocon, That's why we got

0:27:46.640 --> 0:27:49.760
<v Speaker 1>Master Watteau, That's why we got Evil in all caps.

0:27:49.800 --> 0:27:53.159
<v Speaker 1>That's why we've gotten those things. So, I mean, it

0:27:53.520 --> 0:27:56.720
<v Speaker 1>certainly gave him a personality, but I think people really,

0:27:57.560 --> 0:28:01.879
<v Speaker 1>maybe even you, really judged him more on the character

0:28:01.960 --> 0:28:06.359
<v Speaker 1>and him coming back, knowing if you watch New Japan

0:28:06.440 --> 0:28:08.280
<v Speaker 1>that there was going to be a lot more development

0:28:08.320 --> 0:28:11.399
<v Speaker 1>taking place, which is why he's with will As Spray

0:28:11.800 --> 0:28:15.200
<v Speaker 1>and why he's with Jeff Cobb. That you know. Again,

0:28:15.280 --> 0:28:19.440
<v Speaker 1>I think the character, and I don't know you have

0:28:19.560 --> 0:28:22.360
<v Speaker 1>seen him. You have just not liked him from day one.

0:28:22.400 --> 0:28:25.840
<v Speaker 1>You wanted to make fun of the I did not

0:28:26.000 --> 0:28:30.440
<v Speaker 1>like him. I I thought that he badly overrating his

0:28:30.440 --> 0:28:33.639
<v Speaker 1>his matches. But who are these people that badly overrated

0:28:33.680 --> 0:28:36.160
<v Speaker 1>his matches? Because you have people on your own website

0:28:36.320 --> 0:28:38.760
<v Speaker 1>that have shows like The Adam and like Big Audio

0:28:38.880 --> 0:28:42.400
<v Speaker 1>Nightmare that talked about his progression and what they were

0:28:42.400 --> 0:28:44.160
<v Speaker 1>doing with him and where they wanted him. And you

0:28:44.200 --> 0:28:45.880
<v Speaker 1>looked at him and it's like, that guy is never

0:28:45.880 --> 0:28:48.560
<v Speaker 1>gonna be world champion, and it's like, can we give

0:28:48.600 --> 0:28:50.560
<v Speaker 1>it some time? Here? Can we give it a little

0:28:50.600 --> 0:28:52.640
<v Speaker 1>bit of time? And here's the thing, it's not five

0:28:52.720 --> 0:28:54.719
<v Speaker 1>years into his career. I've talked to countless people who

0:28:54.720 --> 0:28:56.920
<v Speaker 1>work for New Japan and they'll tell you the same thing.

0:28:57.320 --> 0:28:59.360
<v Speaker 1>We're giving it how much time we've got, and that's it.

0:28:59.640 --> 0:29:01.360
<v Speaker 1>You know, one tells us how to work. No one

0:29:01.400 --> 0:29:03.520
<v Speaker 1>tells us what to do in the match, like they

0:29:03.520 --> 0:29:05.040
<v Speaker 1>go out there and they do that on their own.

0:29:05.480 --> 0:29:08.680
<v Speaker 1>And Great o'con has certain strengths and I believe that

0:29:08.680 --> 0:29:12.040
<v Speaker 1>he should play to those strengths more because that's the

0:29:12.080 --> 0:29:13.720
<v Speaker 1>best stuff that I see out of the guy. The

0:29:13.760 --> 0:29:18.600
<v Speaker 1>guy comes across when he wrestles is like a badass grappler, wrestler,

0:29:18.680 --> 0:29:22.240
<v Speaker 1>tough guy. That's way better than doing like the goofy

0:29:22.280 --> 0:29:24.640
<v Speaker 1>gimmicky stuff. That stuff is just like to do that.

0:29:24.720 --> 0:29:27.120
<v Speaker 1>All that stuff with the Mongolian chops was something that

0:29:27.160 --> 0:29:29.400
<v Speaker 1>they wanted to give him. And then they obviously wanted

0:29:29.440 --> 0:29:33.440
<v Speaker 1>to pat into a few that he had with but

0:29:33.560 --> 0:29:36.040
<v Speaker 1>the bottom but he didn't book that. Well no, but

0:29:36.080 --> 0:29:38.440
<v Speaker 1>I didn't blame him for that. But whoever put that

0:29:38.520 --> 0:29:41.960
<v Speaker 1>few together jimminy Christmas, I'm talking about ghetto by the way,

0:29:42.760 --> 0:29:45.920
<v Speaker 1>Ghetto ghetto, you know. But they look, they've had, they've had,

0:29:46.520 --> 0:29:49.320
<v Speaker 1>they've had some pros, and they've had some cons and

0:29:49.320 --> 0:29:52.160
<v Speaker 1>and you know, I guys remember that storyline by the

0:29:52.160 --> 0:29:55.520
<v Speaker 1>way with with the Great o'con and tends On, what

0:29:55.600 --> 0:29:59.520
<v Speaker 1>about it? We don't have to relive it. That's tens

0:29:59.560 --> 0:30:02.120
<v Speaker 1>On didn't mo going chops. So they literally built to

0:30:02.160 --> 0:30:04.760
<v Speaker 1>a match where the where the loser could no longer

0:30:04.840 --> 0:30:07.800
<v Speaker 1>do Mongolian chops. That was a stipulation. So they do

0:30:07.880 --> 0:30:12.080
<v Speaker 1>the match, Ocon wins, and then the very next show,

0:30:12.360 --> 0:30:18.040
<v Speaker 1>ten songs just Mongolian chopping people. They just totally I'm like, what, Yeah,

0:30:18.040 --> 0:30:21.120
<v Speaker 1>that was his hands up on that. From what I

0:30:21.160 --> 0:30:23.400
<v Speaker 1>recall it, it didn't make anything. And I don't know,

0:30:24.000 --> 0:30:26.160
<v Speaker 1>maybe they were trying to push tens On with a

0:30:26.160 --> 0:30:28.320
<v Speaker 1>foot out the door to officially just be a trainer

0:30:28.320 --> 0:30:30.800
<v Speaker 1>and never active. I don't know what the plan was,

0:30:31.320 --> 0:30:33.880
<v Speaker 1>but whatever was, it went right out the window, and

0:30:33.880 --> 0:30:37.240
<v Speaker 1>the damn stipulation didn't mean a damn thing. But tomy

0:30:37.320 --> 0:30:40.040
<v Speaker 1>Yuki Oka is a is a hero at the end

0:30:40.080 --> 0:30:41.840
<v Speaker 1>of the day. Whether he wants the people to to

0:30:41.880 --> 0:30:47.560
<v Speaker 1>give the heroicism to the great Ocon doesn't matter. No,

0:30:47.640 --> 0:30:49.560
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't matter. When he was asked who are you,

0:30:49.640 --> 0:30:53.240
<v Speaker 1>he said, I am the Great Okon from Japan Professional wrestling.

0:30:53.360 --> 0:30:55.040
<v Speaker 1>But I'm going to look past that a little bit.

0:30:55.120 --> 0:30:57.880
<v Speaker 1>What matters to me is is Oka as a human being,

0:30:58.480 --> 0:31:00.880
<v Speaker 1>a hero for what he did, and a hero to

0:31:00.920 --> 0:31:04.640
<v Speaker 1>the wrestling business. Because that's pretty damn old school, you know.

0:31:04.800 --> 0:31:07.640
<v Speaker 1>It's uh, it's not exactly the same sort of situation.

0:31:08.080 --> 0:31:12.000
<v Speaker 1>But like Tim Woods MR Wrestling, the original Mr. Wrestling

0:31:12.120 --> 0:31:15.200
<v Speaker 1>was part of that plane crash where the pilot died,

0:31:15.280 --> 0:31:17.840
<v Speaker 1>Ric Flair broke his back, Bob Bruggers ended his career,

0:31:17.920 --> 0:31:21.600
<v Speaker 1>Johnny Valentine's career ended, David Crockett was badly injured in

0:31:21.600 --> 0:31:24.680
<v Speaker 1>that deal, and when they came to him because here's

0:31:24.680 --> 0:31:27.960
<v Speaker 1>a baby face flying with these other heels. I think

0:31:28.040 --> 0:31:30.680
<v Speaker 1>he said, uh, George Wooden, I can't remember if he

0:31:30.720 --> 0:31:34.600
<v Speaker 1>gave him his you know, some variation of his you know,

0:31:34.800 --> 0:31:38.000
<v Speaker 1>Christian name is God given his government name, whatever it is,

0:31:38.480 --> 0:31:41.680
<v Speaker 1>he gave some sort of variation on that, and you know,

0:31:42.080 --> 0:31:45.200
<v Speaker 1>save the business in a in a way. So it

0:31:45.360 --> 0:31:47.800
<v Speaker 1>is a very old school thing to do. It was

0:31:47.840 --> 0:31:50.000
<v Speaker 1>a and just a very awesome thing to do in

0:31:50.040 --> 0:31:52.880
<v Speaker 1>the lore that's gonna come out of this for his career.

0:31:52.920 --> 0:31:55.440
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's and and just it's something else. It

0:31:55.520 --> 0:31:58.440
<v Speaker 1>really is. We have the Ring of Honor, Supercard of Honor,

0:31:58.560 --> 0:32:02.240
<v Speaker 1>twenty thousand buys. That is not counting anybody that watched

0:32:02.240 --> 0:32:05.480
<v Speaker 1>on Honor Club like I did, Vinnie did, Dave did.

0:32:06.000 --> 0:32:08.520
<v Speaker 1>I don't like everyone I know watched it on Honor Club.

0:32:08.760 --> 0:32:12.280
<v Speaker 1>But apparently there were twenty thousand other people that bought

0:32:12.320 --> 0:32:16.440
<v Speaker 1>it either streaming or traditional pay per view. And that

0:32:16.480 --> 0:32:18.760
<v Speaker 1>says a lot for FTR and in the Briscoes, well,

0:32:18.800 --> 0:32:20.280
<v Speaker 1>of course it does. But you know it's funny. It's

0:32:20.320 --> 0:32:22.160
<v Speaker 1>like I could not, for the life of me figuret

0:32:22.160 --> 0:32:24.800
<v Speaker 1>where to straighten the show at I finally like I'm

0:32:24.800 --> 0:32:27.640
<v Speaker 1>looking everywhere. I'm looking on Fight and I'm looking uh

0:32:27.920 --> 0:32:30.480
<v Speaker 1>b R, and I go, maybe it was an Apple

0:32:30.520 --> 0:32:32.400
<v Speaker 1>TV app or whatever just wasn't coming up. But I

0:32:32.440 --> 0:32:35.040
<v Speaker 1>could not find it anywhere. And then finally I just thought,

0:32:35.840 --> 0:32:38.440
<v Speaker 1>maybe I'll just try Honor clubs that even exist anymore

0:32:38.440 --> 0:32:40.560
<v Speaker 1>now that Tony bought it, And I click on Honor

0:32:40.560 --> 0:32:43.200
<v Speaker 1>Club and there was for free because I was a subscriber,

0:32:43.240 --> 0:32:46.600
<v Speaker 1>so I watched it there. But anyway, twenty thousand buys

0:32:47.160 --> 0:32:49.840
<v Speaker 1>and yes, obviously FTR and the Briscoe is a big

0:32:49.880 --> 0:32:51.280
<v Speaker 1>part of that, But I think that what a lot

0:32:51.320 --> 0:32:53.920
<v Speaker 1>of it was that, you know, it was Tony Khan's

0:32:53.960 --> 0:32:56.800
<v Speaker 1>first Ring of Honor show, and he had promised a

0:32:56.840 --> 0:33:00.360
<v Speaker 1>lot of surprises, and uh, you know, whatever, whatever you

0:33:00.360 --> 0:33:02.560
<v Speaker 1>think of a w the fact is, you know, some

0:33:02.600 --> 0:33:04.960
<v Speaker 1>people are down on certain surprises, like, oh, I didn't

0:33:05.000 --> 0:33:07.200
<v Speaker 1>think the sale of Ring of Honor was a good surprise.

0:33:07.280 --> 0:33:10.520
<v Speaker 1>Everything like that, which you're you're welcome to hear the thing.

0:33:10.800 --> 0:33:13.280
<v Speaker 1>You're welcome to think that you didn't think that that

0:33:13.360 --> 0:33:15.560
<v Speaker 1>was this that goes back to christian by the way,

0:33:15.840 --> 0:33:19.360
<v Speaker 1>you are welcome to say I thought that the Ring

0:33:19.400 --> 0:33:23.720
<v Speaker 1>of Honor announcement was a lame surprise. You are welcome

0:33:23.800 --> 0:33:28.600
<v Speaker 1>to say I believe that the announcement that we've got

0:33:28.600 --> 0:33:31.160
<v Speaker 1>a big star, a Hall of Fame caliber wrestler coming,

0:33:31.200 --> 0:33:33.400
<v Speaker 1>and it ends up being Christian, You have every right

0:33:33.440 --> 0:33:35.960
<v Speaker 1>to think I was let down by this, Okay, But

0:33:36.080 --> 0:33:46.680
<v Speaker 1>here's the difference. Tony con in his mind, he believed

0:33:47.720 --> 0:33:49.880
<v Speaker 1>what he said, and he believed that he delivered what

0:33:49.920 --> 0:33:51.920
<v Speaker 1>was in his brain. You know, guys, you guys know

0:33:52.000 --> 0:33:54.800
<v Speaker 1>what a fan Tony Khan was of Christian. You may

0:33:54.840 --> 0:33:56.920
<v Speaker 1>think that Christian was just like some bloke that you know,

0:33:57.040 --> 0:33:59.080
<v Speaker 1>he had some good matches, he was, you know, just

0:33:59.080 --> 0:34:03.360
<v Speaker 1>part of everything. Tony thought Christian was the greatest. He

0:34:03.440 --> 0:34:06.960
<v Speaker 1>was a enormous Christian fan. You ever hear on these

0:34:07.000 --> 0:34:11.640
<v Speaker 1>shows where you know, you could argue he doesn't know

0:34:11.680 --> 0:34:15.440
<v Speaker 1>his audience, then that's fine. He he believes that Christian

0:34:15.840 --> 0:34:18.600
<v Speaker 1>is a Hall of Fame caliber performer and that he

0:34:18.719 --> 0:34:21.840
<v Speaker 1>delivered on his promise. He believed that his purchase of

0:34:21.920 --> 0:34:24.600
<v Speaker 1>Ring of Honor was a gigantic story that was going

0:34:24.640 --> 0:34:26.799
<v Speaker 1>to change the landscape of the business. Now, I don't

0:34:26.840 --> 0:34:28.680
<v Speaker 1>know if it's gonna end up being that way. We

0:34:28.800 --> 0:34:31.200
<v Speaker 1>got some evidence he did pretty well for that first show.

0:34:31.719 --> 0:34:34.320
<v Speaker 1>But this is not like some promoters. I'm going to

0:34:34.400 --> 0:34:36.640
<v Speaker 1>screw these people. I'm gonna tell me I'm gonna get

0:34:36.640 --> 0:34:39.239
<v Speaker 1>a great surprise. I'm gonna give him something that sucks. No,

0:34:39.560 --> 0:34:43.080
<v Speaker 1>he thought, he thought what he said. If you don't

0:34:43.120 --> 0:34:45.080
<v Speaker 1>think so, that's fine. I'm not saying you're not allowed

0:34:45.120 --> 0:34:46.759
<v Speaker 1>to think that. I'm not allowed to You know, you

0:34:46.760 --> 0:34:49.200
<v Speaker 1>can think whatever you want about any surprise that he promises,

0:34:49.200 --> 0:34:51.880
<v Speaker 1>whether you felt it delivered or not. But in his mind,

0:34:51.920 --> 0:34:55.840
<v Speaker 1>he was delivering that surprise. He's the owner. He's the

0:34:55.880 --> 0:34:59.160
<v Speaker 1>owner that obviously believes what he's saying, and as a

0:34:59.160 --> 0:35:01.839
<v Speaker 1>wrestler because he was a fan of Christian but he's

0:35:01.880 --> 0:35:10.560
<v Speaker 1>also a promoter. And Vince McMahon, Don King, Bob Aram,

0:35:10.640 --> 0:35:14.640
<v Speaker 1>Joe Goosen, the Douva's. You look at the biggest names

0:35:14.640 --> 0:35:19.080
<v Speaker 1>and promotion and Dana White in fight history, whether it

0:35:19.120 --> 0:35:22.080
<v Speaker 1>be boxing or mixed martial arts or K one doesn't

0:35:22.120 --> 0:35:25.160
<v Speaker 1>matter what it is, Like you wanna I mean, I'm

0:35:25.160 --> 0:35:27.319
<v Speaker 1>not saying you want to overdo everything. You want to

0:35:27.320 --> 0:35:31.839
<v Speaker 1>have levels to your promotion, but like, what would you

0:35:32.000 --> 0:35:35.200
<v Speaker 1>expect him to do? Well? We got a special announcement tonight.

0:35:35.440 --> 0:35:43.200
<v Speaker 1>Tune in, don't tune in, because if you like, yeah,

0:35:43.320 --> 0:35:46.000
<v Speaker 1>that's that's the whole thing. And look there's a you

0:35:46.000 --> 0:35:48.439
<v Speaker 1>can you can cry wolf. Don King is a great

0:35:48.440 --> 0:35:51.600
<v Speaker 1>example of that throughout time when he lost Tyson, when

0:35:51.600 --> 0:35:55.200
<v Speaker 1>he didn't have Chavez, when things kinda went downhill for him,

0:35:55.200 --> 0:35:57.279
<v Speaker 1>there were a lot of these things that you throw

0:35:57.320 --> 0:35:59.239
<v Speaker 1>out there. You pay fifty bucks and you didn't get

0:35:59.280 --> 0:36:03.200
<v Speaker 1>your money's worth, and you know, but you still need

0:36:03.239 --> 0:36:05.319
<v Speaker 1>to promote. You still need to make things that may

0:36:05.360 --> 0:36:07.440
<v Speaker 1>not be that big a little big bigger, put some

0:36:07.480 --> 0:36:10.400
<v Speaker 1>shine on it so those people that may not know

0:36:10.480 --> 0:36:13.359
<v Speaker 1>about it, or maybe on the periphery you've got Look,

0:36:13.360 --> 0:36:16.000
<v Speaker 1>it's just promotion. And I think people bend that little

0:36:16.040 --> 0:36:18.719
<v Speaker 1>way too far out of the way when it comes

0:36:18.719 --> 0:36:21.520
<v Speaker 1>to any promotion. Well, that wasn't that big of a deal. Well,

0:36:21.520 --> 0:36:23.399
<v Speaker 1>how do you want him to sell it to you? Here?

0:36:23.440 --> 0:36:25.759
<v Speaker 1>It's not a big deal. I mean it just you know,

0:36:25.800 --> 0:36:27.680
<v Speaker 1>I think it's silly sometimes and I think people get

0:36:27.680 --> 0:36:29.920
<v Speaker 1>too caught up in that and it's like, look, it's

0:36:29.960 --> 0:36:32.600
<v Speaker 1>not gonna always fix your fancy and every time it's

0:36:32.640 --> 0:36:35.200
<v Speaker 1>not gonna fulfill you every time. You may not think

0:36:35.200 --> 0:36:36.839
<v Speaker 1>it's the biggest deal in the world, but you know what,

0:36:37.160 --> 0:36:40.160
<v Speaker 1>there's somebody that might actually think that's the case for somebody.

0:36:40.360 --> 0:36:42.160
<v Speaker 1>And Christian had a lot of fans. Are people that

0:36:42.239 --> 0:36:44.960
<v Speaker 1>love that dude, and he did. It's not just him,

0:36:44.960 --> 0:36:46.719
<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of people that fit into that. So

0:36:47.560 --> 0:36:49.600
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I think sometimes he gets his his

0:36:49.680 --> 0:36:52.759
<v Speaker 1>cohnis busted too much for just being a promoter, which

0:36:52.800 --> 0:36:54.520
<v Speaker 1>is what he's supposed to be doing. All right, Listen,

0:36:54.560 --> 0:36:58.560
<v Speaker 1>we got the raw ratings from Brandon Thurston here the

0:36:58.840 --> 0:37:04.360
<v Speaker 1>raw the night after to WrestleMania. They broke two million,

0:37:04.520 --> 0:37:11.920
<v Speaker 1>two point one million viewers point six three at eighteen

0:37:11.960 --> 0:37:15.280
<v Speaker 1>to forty nine bear to last week, up six percent

0:37:15.280 --> 0:37:19.120
<v Speaker 1>in total viewership, up fourteen percent in eighteen to forty nine,

0:37:19.239 --> 0:37:23.520
<v Speaker 1>Male eighteen to thirty four up sixty eight percent compared

0:37:23.560 --> 0:37:26.440
<v Speaker 1>to the prior four weeks. People eighteen to thirty four

0:37:26.520 --> 0:37:29.840
<v Speaker 1>up sixty one percent, Females eighteen to thirty four fifty

0:37:30.000 --> 0:37:35.239
<v Speaker 1>eight percent, females eighteen forty eight percent. So we will

0:37:35.280 --> 0:37:38.600
<v Speaker 1>get the quarter hours I'm sure here in a while.

0:37:38.680 --> 0:37:40.640
<v Speaker 1>But that's the biggest ROW number I can believe. I

0:37:40.680 --> 0:37:44.000
<v Speaker 1>can remember in I don't even remember how long it's

0:37:44.040 --> 0:37:46.359
<v Speaker 1>been a long time back in a moment Observer Life

0:38:09.560 --> 0:38:12.360
<v Speaker 1>back in the show. Right now is here wrestling Observer Live.

0:38:12.480 --> 0:38:17.400
<v Speaker 1>Mike's umber viv also wrestling Observe dot Com. You know,

0:38:17.440 --> 0:38:20.240
<v Speaker 1>I'm not a big fan of conspiracy theories, but I

0:38:20.360 --> 0:38:26.080
<v Speaker 1>have a conspiracy theory for you all here. Do you

0:38:26.080 --> 0:38:30.000
<v Speaker 1>know this Ezekiel bloke showed up in city was Lisa's brother,

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<v Speaker 1>remember that we talked about in any of the show. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I believe he's lying. No, yeah, really yeah, how do

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<v Speaker 1>you know? Well, I'm looking at a picture of him

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<v Speaker 1>here that showed up on the internet, and uh, it's uncanny.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe I believe that Ezekiel actually is someone's brother,

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<v Speaker 1>but he's actually the brother of l A Night. L A. Knight.

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<v Speaker 1>Once you see it, you ain't gonna be able unsee it.

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<v Speaker 1>So there you go. Oh boy, Dave is really going

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<v Speaker 1>to be upset. That mean we get Ezekiel going down

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<v Speaker 1>in the next team, we get gun thor and and

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<v Speaker 1>him next. I wonder where that fits on the Walter scale.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Maybe we'll have another Walter match tonight.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope. Do you think Ezekiel is better than the rain,

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<v Speaker 1>than allies. Oh man, everyone, everyone, everyone's noticing it now. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you ain't get every year. You'll never unsee it now

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<v Speaker 1>that you've seen in everybody. He's the brother of l

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<v Speaker 1>A Night? Is that the eyes of the upper cheek

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<v Speaker 1>when I'm thinking he should have he should have come

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<v Speaker 1>out as l A Day, the brother of l A Night.

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<v Speaker 1>He should have done They viewed both of them anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>rut a time. Think Mike has always colors and listeners

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<v Speaker 1>over the studio. Dr you next time, Wrestling Observer Live.

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