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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Anny and Samantha. I'm welcome to Stuff

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Speaker 1: Will Never Told You production of iHeartRadio. And today for

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Speaker 1: our book club, we're talking about Natalie Lloyd's twenty two

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Speaker 1: award winning book, Hummingbird. It is a young adult novel

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Speaker 1: that features several poetry sections. It is heartfelt and magical.

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Speaker 1: Samantha and I were just talking about it, and we

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Speaker 1: were both dropped tears by.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it's defy different reasons, but yes, I feel.

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Speaker 1: Like similar ish reasons. But you had a more specific

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Speaker 1: reason than I did. Yes, what we will talk about.

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Speaker 1: You also listened to it via audio book yes, read.

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Speaker 3: By Natalie Lloyd.

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Speaker 2: And I don't know if this is somewhat autobiographical in

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Speaker 2: that like she wanted to be on the stage as

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Speaker 2: well or not, which is a part of the story,

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Speaker 2: because she did a great job. She did a great

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Speaker 2: job in doing voices, which I was very surprised by,

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Speaker 2: and she did she's rum Tennessee Chattanooga's but not too

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Speaker 2: far from us. Hello, but like, yeah, her accent was

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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, So I'm kind of jealous in that because

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Speaker 1: there are a lot of fun sayings in this in

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Speaker 1: this book, so good and uh as the date of

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Speaker 1: publications suggests. Spoilers. Spoilers throughout if you're interested in reading it.

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Speaker 1: The story follows all of Miracle Martin, a twelve year

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Speaker 1: old girl with O I or Osteogenesis imperfecta. Before we

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Speaker 1: get into the plot, I wanted to read a quote

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Speaker 1: from the author. Like Olive Martin, the protagonist of Hummingbird,

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Speaker 1: I was born with a brittle bone disease called osteogenesis imperfecta.

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Speaker 1: Oh I oh I means my bones break very easily.

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Speaker 1: Like Olive, I used a wheelchair or walker throughout middle

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Speaker 1: and elementary school. In most of my childhood photos, I'm

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Speaker 1: wearing a cast, and like Olive, the word fragile is

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Speaker 1: one I've heard used to describe myself and my body

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Speaker 1: for as long as I can remember. During middle school,

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Speaker 1: my self esteem got extra wobbly because of how I

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Speaker 1: felt inside my body. I think this is when I

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Speaker 1: first realized how different my body looked from my friend's bodies.

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Speaker 1: They grew taller, but I stayed extra short. Their legs

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Speaker 1: were straight, while mine were bowed and scarred from surgeries.

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Speaker 1: I didn't like being different. Sometimes I hated being fragile.

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Speaker 1: I'm fully aware, shaky, self esteem is not and maybe

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Speaker 1: has never been, an obstacle for every reader who has OI.

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Speaker 1: I believe a person's experience with disability is as unique

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Speaker 1: as that individual's heart for fingerprints. Yeah, so let's get

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Speaker 1: into the plot. Twelve year old Olive has been homeschooled

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Speaker 1: determined to go to Macklemore Elementary, where she believes she

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Speaker 1: dad Jupiter, who kind of lives in a yurt is separate.

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Speaker 1: But together with that, she manages to convince her family

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Speaker 2: The school it seemed very fantasy from the cho I

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Speaker 1: But yeah, yes, the description of the library, I was like,

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Speaker 1: sailing for her, though. Her caretaker, the person assigned to

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Speaker 1: Olive encounters people who call her fragile. Then she meets

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Speaker 1: Grace Cho, an aspiring entrepreneur, and learns the story of

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Speaker 1: a magical wish granting hummingbird that pops up every couple

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Speaker 1: of decades. All of become determined to find the hummingbird

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Speaker 1: they like draw up. This leads to a friendship with

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Speaker 1: her stepbrother Hatch, who wants to use it to wish

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Speaker 1: to find his lost dog Nah Yes, lost dog, notably

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Speaker 1: because you can't it's you can't wish life or death things.

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Speaker 1: Throughout all of this, all of makes friends, especially in

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Speaker 1: about birds, who made a wish on the hummingbird last

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Speaker 1: time it appeared. He convinces all of that she doesn't

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Speaker 1: Her and her family go to watch the play and

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Speaker 1: Olive does and nails it. Of course, the hummingbird appears

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Speaker 1: to her, and halfily ever after, it seems it ends well,

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Speaker 2: Well, I think like one of the things about this book,

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Speaker 2: things that you and I talked about when we were

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Speaker 2: finding books or movies specifically for Disability Justice Month, we

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Speaker 2: wanted something that wasn't dour, I guess is the best word.

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Speaker 2: We know. Again, just like the author said herself, everybody's

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Speaker 2: experiences are different, especially when it comes to their own

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Speaker 2: and I think for this book they did a great job.

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Speaker 2: Natalie Lloyd did an amazing job and making the story

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Speaker 2: in with the Madisons, yes, and I was like, oh no, no, no,

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Speaker 2: You know, we see an incident that does happen. But

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Speaker 2: I was like okay, oh, okay again, and all of

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Speaker 2: Grace found that out for herself and want to be

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Speaker 2: And then yes, I love the like I just this

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this level of love and like that.

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Speaker 2: to Terabithy a lot that scarred me to the point

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Speaker 2: in that her relationship with Grace, which was so sweet

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Speaker 2: and so loving, and that Grace was not about her disability.

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Speaker 3: It was more about like, let's go.

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Speaker 2: You have this smarts and I have this smarts, and

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Speaker 2: we got this as a combination, we are unstoppable.

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Speaker 3: It was just, oh, so yeah.

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Speaker 2: For anybody who is a parent, or maybe some of

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Speaker 2: our listeners who are younger, this is an amazing book

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Speaker 3: Reread is so sweet, it really is, and it's.

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Speaker 1: I think, going back to what you said earlier, Samantha,

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Speaker 1: it does a really good job of It is a

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Speaker 3: But the third one didn't seem into it.

434
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 2: No, third one was just like just caught up in it,

435
00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:03,560
Speaker 2: just like I don't I don't want to be.

436
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:06,280
Speaker 1: She's like, actually I go by Madeline. I think that

437
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:08,720
Speaker 1: they all go by Maddie. But she would Madeline.

438
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:10,040
Speaker 3: Yeah.

439
00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:12,439
Speaker 1: But it was nice because in the end there is

440
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:17,360
Speaker 1: this really powerful moment where all of has this sort

441
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:19,520
Speaker 1: of refrain my bones are fragile, but I am not.

442
00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:22,520
Speaker 3: And we'll talk about that more later.

443
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:28,879
Speaker 2: But I think calling the Madison, haven't I Yeah.

444
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:29,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, well.

445
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:33,959
Speaker 2: I confuse them with Madison, but they I think they

446
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:35,040
Speaker 2: are Madeline.

447
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:37,879
Speaker 3: Yes, and they're Maddie's but they.

448
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:39,800
Speaker 2: Go by Maddie, and so in my head they're Madison,

449
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:42,680
Speaker 2: which is not the case. Yeah, and I think once

450
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:44,960
Speaker 2: again it's a good point about talking about the fact

451
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,760
Speaker 2: that she didn't think any of this, yeah, until other

452
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:51,480
Speaker 2: people told her what she couldn't do, and especially with

453
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:53,760
Speaker 2: the play, like she really wanted to be in the play,

454
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:57,439
Speaker 2: but the person who she really hoped would be one

455
00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:01,399
Speaker 2: of the more like open not open, like just people

456
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 2: who would just treat her normally because she seemed eccentric

457
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:06,480
Speaker 2: and out there was one of the ones who told

458
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:08,960
Speaker 2: her how many things she couldn't do, including saying, maybe

459
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 2: we'll put you, we'll put you in something, we'll let

460
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:11,920
Speaker 2: you be a tree.

461
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:17,199
Speaker 1: We're just like yeah, yes, and maybe you can like

462
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:19,720
Speaker 1: help director.

463
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:22,239
Speaker 2: Right, and then like at the and the kids are

464
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 2: the ones that finding solutions were like, we can make

465
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,440
Speaker 2: a ramp. We can do that, that's really easy, and

466
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:28,479
Speaker 2: other kids will be like, yeah, she's not the only

467
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 2: one who's going to need a ramp.

468
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 3: That just makes sense.

469
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:34,960
Speaker 2: So like it was interesting to see, But this change

470
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 2: of attitude came much later because of what other people

471
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 2: told her she couldn't do.

472
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:44,119
Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, she didn't have this in her head until

473
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,679
Speaker 1: until she went to this school and people were like

474
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:50,679
Speaker 1: treating her differently. I also wanted to touch on a

475
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 1: point I didn't have this in here originally, but because

476
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:54,640
Speaker 1: you brought it up and so many things I saw

477
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 1: brought it up. Hatch does have an invisible disability, and

478
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:00,639
Speaker 1: a lot of people were write about how that meant

479
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:04,359
Speaker 1: a lot to them reading about that when he opened

480
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 1: up about it, because he was sort of the closed

481
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 1: off step brother and you weren't really sure why, and

482
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 1: then you thought you find out, like he's kind of

483
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 1: lying to his family about what he's involved in, and

484
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,359
Speaker 1: then you find out why. And he's talking about like

485
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 1: why he always wears the same hoodie and it's a

486
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 1: very sensory kind of thing, and then he's talking about

487
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:32,400
Speaker 1: his dog biscuit. But yeah, a lot of people wrote

488
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,240
Speaker 1: about how that was also a really impactful thing for them,

489
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 1: right to read.

490
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 2: And then her assumption that he was okay and he

491
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:43,439
Speaker 2: just didn't like her, like yeah, and vice versa, like

492
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 2: he really and he compared his to he's like, you

493
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 2: don't need this. You've got a great family, you have

494
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,199
Speaker 2: like kind of you have a handle on your disability.

495
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:53,399
Speaker 2: I don't type of thing conversation, you don't need this,

496
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 2: which I do, please give it to me.

497
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 3: And it was based on the dog.

498
00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, But like I thought, it was a great

499
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 2: rate turn because she saw this person who she thought

500
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 2: really had it all and then like he really.

501
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 3: Thought she had it all.

502
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,959
Speaker 2: And then that conversation that really brought them closer together

503
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 2: and how close they become and how they opened up

504
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:17,160
Speaker 2: to each other was just beautiful and I really appreciated that.

505
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, they do get a really close relationship and it's

506
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 1: really rewarding at the end. I don't what I was about. Also,

507
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:31,879
Speaker 1: as you mentioned, change is a big theme in this.

508
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:35,880
Speaker 1: There's a lot of like changes on the wind. There's

509
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:39,360
Speaker 1: a lot of imagery around birds finding your wings. Grace

510
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:44,680
Speaker 1: makes bird wings, which I would have loved when I

511
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:48,439
Speaker 1: was a kid, but also, yeah, just all of going

512
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 1: to school and having those those new experiences in life.

513
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:58,120
Speaker 3: There is a theme of spirituality. Here's a quote.

514
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 1: Mostly when I pray, I picture God holding my heart

515
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 1: up very gently to his ear, like one of those

516
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 1: big fancy seashells with an ocean sound inside it. I've

517
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 1: got a thousand tiny oceans inside me, and I think

518
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 1: God listens carefully to every crashing wave, all the fears

519
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:16,639
Speaker 1: and hopes. Even if he doesn't answer every single prayer,

520
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 1: I think he keeps my heart safe.

521
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:20,880
Speaker 3: That was one of my favorite lines. She does such

522
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:24,400
Speaker 3: a great job with that. Yeah, yeah, she did.

523
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 1: But it was so nice too, with the themes of magic, and.

524
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 3: I kind of liked how the magic was.

525
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,119
Speaker 1: It was exciting, but it was sort of accepted, like

526
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 1: it was just like, yeah, that's what's happening.

527
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes.

528
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 1: And I love how when they talked to the three

529
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 1: people who had gotten the hummingbird wish last time, there

530
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 1: felt like there was something magical about each of them,

531
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 1: but then it sort of turned out that no, they

532
00:28:56,760 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 1: were just living their lives, and you know, some of

533
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 1: some of that worked out better than others, but it

534
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 1: was neat, like seeing what's her name, nest with the

535
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 1: apples and she has that dance like it just felt

536
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 1: so yeah, I love this.

537
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like Luthor really like I love this again.

538
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 2: This is kind of one of those things again when

539
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 2: I say I wish I had this as a good

540
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 2: because it's got such a great vibe and depth. But

541
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 2: like when they talk about the fact that he loved

542
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 2: thinking about the childhood, when they said you are part

543
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 2: of the bloombird society, Like she's like, you're a part

544
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:36,959
Speaker 2: of this, and he lights up because it reminds him

545
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 2: of such good times with him and his brother searching

546
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 2: for the hummingbird themselves and then making those wishes.

547
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 3: Like it was.

548
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 2: That kind of level of magic that I see in

549
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 2: this entirety of the book because of the search, but

550
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 2: because of the self finding. Yeah, And I think that

551
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 2: was the same thing for Martin and Luther. Obviously in

552
00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 2: Luther like losing his brother and waiting still for her brother,

553
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 2: which yes, it's also got my heart to come back,

554
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 2: But like that level of his acceptance being this title

555
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 2: as the grouchiest man, the grautiest man in town, to

556
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 2: realizing that he's just dug gone through a lot of

557
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 2: loss and that be reminded of those good times of

558
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 2: his youth. I'm like, oh, oh, that's magical. Why And

559
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 2: then you also see the memories when they go and

560
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 2: find the other birds, rememory birds, birds, memory remembering birds,

561
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 2: and they got to see a part of that as well.

562
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 2: They saw them in the youth, they saw the dog

563
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 2: biscuit and so much more. So, like it was like,

564
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 2: I love that this magic is also kind of that

565
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 2: spirit of child as well.

566
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, like making those memories and looking back on them

567
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 1: and the important thing being the people you were with

568
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 1: when you made them. And also Luther was the one

569
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 1: that helped Grace get her wish her dream. Yeah, so

570
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 1: I really loved that. I really loved that. And yeah,

571
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 1: the memory birds I love for listeners who've never read this. Essentially,

572
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 1: so they have what they call.

573
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 3: The Judy Bloom.

574
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 1: It's like a friendship group and they're collecting friends throughout

575
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 1: and they all of calls her grandfather who knows a

576
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 1: lot about birds, and the call is breaking up, but

577
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 1: she can hear them say memory birds, and then they

578
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 1: go and find them and they see all of these memories.

579
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 1: It's a really beautiful scene, and that helps them kind

580
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 1: of figure out where they.

581
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 3: Think the hulming Bird will be.

582
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 1: They get a lot of different clues and that makes

583
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 1: sense at the end. But I love that too, kind

584
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 1: of the mystery of it. Another theme, writing and creativity.

585
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 1: Here's a quote that's one of my favorite feelings in

586
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 1: the world. Pen to paper and a page full of words.

587
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,959
Speaker 1: I could write a thousand things in my lifetime, plays

588
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 1: and poems and short stories and songs, and never ever

589
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 1: get sixth the way words feel when they spin out

590
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 1: of my soul. So she's a very creative type. Yes, yes,

591
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 1: if it's not clear why wanting to be in the

592
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 1: play and just having all of these ideas, she was

593
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 1: very smart when thinking about the Summing Bird. But also yeah,

594
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 1: she loved to write, and she loved to write poetry,

595
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 1: and that's there. As I said, there is a lot

596
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 1: of poetry that she writes throughout the book.

597
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 2: And I will say, like, there's a lot of like

598
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 2: kindred spirits, if there were, if she were to name

599
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 2: them that. And then one of them is her first

600
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 2: teacher that she meets, mister Watson, And here's a quote,

601
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 2: because he's also just as passionate as she is. He says,

602
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 2: we believe three things in this class, olive. First, we

603
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 2: believe that miracles surround us every day we take time

604
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 2: to notice them. Second, we believe every person deserves respect

605
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 2: and kindness. And third we believe and inkpen is a

606
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 2: direct line to a person's heart. Your words are a

607
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 2: kind of magic carry inside. That's why we write each

608
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 2: morning to turn the magic loose. So he had given

609
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 2: him an assignment. He was the one that told him

610
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 2: the Tale of the Honeybird.

611
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 1: Yes, and I love the scene where he like, excitedly

612
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 1: is like chicken eggs are hatching, America is happening, And.

613
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 2: I believe this could be very real intimacy.

614
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, yep, I believe it too.

615
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 2: I say that So came from a country school in Georgia.

616
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 1: As we've already discussed, acting is a big thing. All

617
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 1: of really really wants to be on stage. It did

618
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 1: make me laugh because I did, in fact play a

619
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 1: tree when I was in elementary school.

620
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 3: I was Tree number two.

621
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 1: Number two, wasn't that, But that was due to my

622
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 1: poor acting ability and not able.

623
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,479
Speaker 2: I mean, it's better than being in high school playing

624
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 2: the black servant girl with a really bad because I

625
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 2: was the only minority. She would never say that rip

626
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 2: my drama teacher, who was actually a really great drama teacher,

627
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 2: and I loved her to death. But that microaggression kind

628
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 2: of casting was like yeah, ay, and if anybody ever

629
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 2: finds those tapes and calls me out on it. I

630
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 2: followed the script as it was written, and it was

631
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 2: really bad and I feel bad about it now.

632
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 3: Oh no, I have those things too. Yes, in that

633
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 3: like it was more of what was worse.

634
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 2: I mean, look, when I think about it, I'm like, man,

635
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 2: I suffered through some things in high school and I

636
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 2: really thought I was doing well. I take that as

637
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 2: a compliment. I should not have oh dear, well anyway,

638
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,280
Speaker 2: going back, the tree is better.

639
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 3: The tree was better. A tree was better.

640
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 1: Also, there is a kind of a theme of using

641
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 1: art as an escape an inspiration throughout. There's just a

642
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 1: lot of references and things that she loves. She's very

643
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 1: nerdy in what she she'll bring up, which I you know,

644
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 1: a door.

645
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 3: Yes. Family, Family was a big theme.

646
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 2: Ye.

647
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 1: Here's the quote from her mom. Your name was a

648
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 1: hallelujah for the whole world to hear, because no life

649
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:21,880
Speaker 1: should be a whisper remember that, Okay, you're not a

650
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,359
Speaker 1: miracle because you have brittle bones or because you use

651
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,240
Speaker 1: a wheelchair or walker. You're not a miracle if you don't,

652
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 1: you're a miracle because you exist. Everybody is. And that's

653
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Speaker 1: when she's talking about why all OF's middle name is miracle.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then there's a whole breakdown because when Olive

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Speaker 2: decides that she was going to make a wish for

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Speaker 2: her bones to be stronger, she knew because of the

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Speaker 2: comments like that, her mom would be somewhat disappointed. So

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Speaker 2: there was a conversation between her because she finally tells

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Speaker 2: her dad, Jupiter, that she was looking for it. Who

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Speaker 2: told her mom and mom was like, what are you

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Speaker 2: wishing for? And she told her very hesitantly because she

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Speaker 2: she had a feeling, and this was the response, I

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Speaker 2: just I don't want you to feel like you have

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Speaker 2: to live in a world where you wish part of

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Speaker 2: yourself away. Maybe that's not what your wish is about.

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Speaker 2: I hope it's not, because all of you is wonderful.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, this is when she doesn't tell her mom

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Speaker 2: because she was kind of scared. Yeah, the reaction, but

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Speaker 2: her mom knowing who she was and knowing she's had

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Speaker 2: some difficulties with school already knew.

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Speaker 1: And then at the end, the grandfather we've been hearing

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Speaker 1: about all this time shows up and here's what he says. Quote,

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Speaker 1: here's what's going to happen, kiddo. As you get older,

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Speaker 1: your world will get bigger and bigger, and you'll realize

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Speaker 1: there's way more that you can do than you can't do.

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Speaker 1: It just takes time for us to see it. Birds

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Speaker 1: are born with wings. The rest of us have to

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Speaker 1: find our wings as we go, and you will allive miracle.

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Speaker 1: You'll find them and you'll fly.

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Speaker 4: Moving.

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Speaker 1: And I do think going back to the memory birds,

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Speaker 1: like those memories are present throughout two of how they

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Speaker 1: impacted people's lives and how through generations they impact people.

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Speaker 3: That was a pretty big theme. And then lastly, friendship again,

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Speaker 3: I love the search for the BFF was like all

686
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Speaker 3: of his number one goal. That's what she was so

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Speaker 3: excited about. And going back to a point you made earlier, Samantha,

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Speaker 3: here's a quote. But you know how Diana has Anne

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Speaker 3: and the green Gables books, or how the girls and

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Speaker 3: the Babysitters Club all have one another, That's what I

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Speaker 3: think is missing in my life. I'd like one true

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Speaker 3: BFF to spend my time with. It's sweet and it's.

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Speaker 1: Really fun in the beginning because she's like, maybe this

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Speaker 1: person is bff.

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Speaker 2: She started talking about maybe I could be with a

696
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Speaker 2: Maddie or maybe I can hang out with Villain.

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Speaker 3: He's school.

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Speaker 2: Her interactions with Ransom is also very sweet as well.

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Speaker 2: She accidentally like pells him in the leg with her chair.

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Speaker 3: She's like, oh, no, you, and.

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Speaker 2: He was very sweet, gives her a pen, talks about

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Speaker 2: how he has an element of magic, about how finding

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Speaker 2: random things and he felt like he's supposed to give

704
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 2: him to people. So cute, and then having the dance

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Speaker 2: with her or she wants to dance with her. I

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Speaker 2: love the friendship too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, they were really cute. And she accidentally introduced

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Speaker 1: herself as new all of to him.

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Speaker 3: Yeah that was very fun, which sounds like, again something

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Speaker 3: I would do.

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Speaker 4: Yes, Yeah, and I did like at the end because

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Speaker 4: I feel like, you know, it was becoming clear as

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Speaker 4: the story progressed what the I don't even want to

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Speaker 4: say moral of it was.

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Speaker 1: But kind of what generally happens with the hummingbird, and

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Speaker 1: so I like at the end that they pretty much

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Speaker 1: all gave up their wishes for each other the other.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that's the biggest thing, is I

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Speaker 2: like the hummingbird. Really they say that you'll only say

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Speaker 2: in the legend, you'll only say what's on your heart,

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Speaker 2: so you can't even really choose. Because each one of

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Speaker 2: the people that they like had talked about one said

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Speaker 2: I just want to be happy, and then he realized

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Speaker 2: that he was with, you know, all these things. The

725
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Speaker 2: other one was I just want a friend, and it

726
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Speaker 2: turned out to be his wife. He was with the

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Speaker 2: only one you know all those things, and she realized

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Speaker 2: that she was Okay, She's like, I want she was

729
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Speaker 2: thinking about Hatch as well as Hatch thinking about her

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Speaker 2: missing out on her opportunities because she she wanted to

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Speaker 2: be on the plane. He's like, I wish that you

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Speaker 2: would be happy on the play, at the play and

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Speaker 2: being successful. Were you able to do this? Like it

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Speaker 2: was so cute because it was in their hearts. It's

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Speaker 2: just genuine kind love for each other.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Yeah, it was very very sweet. I definitely got

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Speaker 3: two Your eyed the dog, Yeah, the dog came back everybody.

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Speaker 1: And then also we've been talking about this, but I

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Speaker 1: just want to reiterate it because I loved it. I

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Speaker 1: did like the whole I love when Grace was like, actually,

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Speaker 1: I figured out, you know what.

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Speaker 3: I can do this, I.

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Speaker 2: Can give my mentor I didn't need that, he asked me.

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Speaker 2: That's how I was going.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I really liked it.

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Speaker 1: And I think sometimes I would be like, that's what

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Speaker 1: you're wishing for, But when you're a kid, you know,

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Speaker 1: of course yes, that's but that's success, that's something that

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Speaker 1: you really want. And I really loved that. I loved

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Speaker 1: how it kind of became like, oh, yeah, I figured

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Speaker 1: it out.

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Speaker 3: Yeah it was.

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Speaker 2: It was very again, like all these things ended up

755
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 2: being exactly what they need without knowing that they needed.

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Speaker 2: I love the whole Hummingbird kisses and that in the

757
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Speaker 2: way that she spoke out, she's like, I am fine

758
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Speaker 2: being me. She speaks, my bones are fragile, but I

759
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Speaker 2: am not like it. And they're like, wait, is this

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Speaker 2: a part of the play. Does Emily Dickinson say this?

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Speaker 3: Sweet?

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Speaker 1: What?

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Speaker 2: But that's what she keeps saying out loud to the

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Speaker 2: hummingbird and then truly wishes for, you know, she realizing

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Speaker 2: that she is she is not fragile and It was

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Speaker 2: very sweet. It was a very good, feel good. Every

767
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:04,840
Speaker 2: turn of it was like a feel good with a

768
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Speaker 2: little suspense. And I could definitely see this being a show.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I could do again.

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Speaker 1: Like the setting of the school, even the town, Oh

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Speaker 1: my gosh.

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Speaker 3: I loved it. Yeah, highly recommend, I highly recommend. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Probably one of my top five of all the books

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Speaker 2: that we've read, and we've read a lot.

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Speaker 3: We have read a lot, we have read a lot.

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Speaker 3: It was very.

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Speaker 1: It was it was just like a fun, unique, mysterious friendship,

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Speaker 1: heavy family heavy like it was just yeah, a lot

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Speaker 1: of things.

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Speaker 3: That I really like. Full magic. Yeah. Yeah, felt healthy.

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Speaker 2: All the relationships felt healthy, even when they weren't communicating.

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