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Speaker 1: San Antonio District judge resigns after a federal corruption probe.

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Speaker 2: A former San Antonio, Texas judge goes to federal prison

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Speaker 2: after pleading guilty to accepting bribes in exchange for rigging

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Speaker 2: cases in his court. Angus McGuinty committed the ultimate judicial sin.

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Speaker 3: Why did you do it?

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Speaker 4: I did it because I was foolish.

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Speaker 2: Listen to how to Bribe a Judge on Revolver podcast

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Speaker 5: The John Annick and Kenny Florian Podcast John Annick and

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Speaker 5: Kenny Florian.

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Speaker 4: I fucking love him. I can't get enough of him.

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Speaker 6: Big job there, Kryptufia.

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Speaker 7: I believe there are a couple of absolutely self involved

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Speaker 7: bullshit artists.

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Speaker 5: You're your hosts, John Annick and Kenny Florian.

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Speaker 8: It's great to be with you. Great to be with

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Speaker 8: you as always. Monday, April twenty five, The year's twenty

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Speaker 8: twenty two. That's three forty six of the Anakin Flolling

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Speaker 8: podcast Ken Flow doing some intensive gun training in the

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Speaker 8: Greater South Carolina area yesterday, but back at home today, kid,

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Speaker 8: huh quick turn, I am.

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Speaker 1: I am back. Great to be doing the show. Kid, Well,

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Speaker 1: it's good to see you.

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Speaker 8: I went to my first auction on Saturday nights, so

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Speaker 8: I had to play catch up when it came to

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Speaker 8: some of the mixed martial arts ingestion. But my wife

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Speaker 8: teaches math at this private school, and so I'm like

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Speaker 8: the poorest guy in the building. And you know, the

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Speaker 8: Miami Dolphins sweet goes for forty seven five hundred dollars.

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Speaker 8: So most of the live auction items, like I knew

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Speaker 8: I wasn't really going to be able to compete for,

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Speaker 8: you know, but there was one item I thought they

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Speaker 8: were talking like forty five hundred and it's like they're like, no, dude,

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Speaker 8: it's like forty five thousand. So Paddle one oh eight

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Speaker 8: stayed on the table all night. But I was so

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Speaker 8: excited to see my name on a paddle, and then

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Speaker 8: it ended up being sort of anti climactic, but it's

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Speaker 8: good to see you. He had a little PFL broadcast

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Speaker 8: on four to twenty. We're going to get into that.

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Speaker 8: We're obviously going to talk about Jessica ONRAJ. We will

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Speaker 8: talk to Sean Shean from Severe MMA and shure dog

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Speaker 8: dot com MMA journalist. I hope he's okay. With me

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Speaker 8: calling him a journalist but scoring expert and just a

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Speaker 8: good voice in the MMA space. We're going to talk

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Speaker 8: to him coming up in about twenty minutes. Picks with

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Speaker 8: Brian Peatree for UFC fight night font versus Vera. We've

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Speaker 8: got a huge bandam weight headliner coming up Saturday night

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Speaker 8: at the UFC Apex And if Ray Longo answers the

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Speaker 8: call at eleven twenty am Eastern time, he will be

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Speaker 8: on to close the show today, but I am not

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Speaker 8: ambitious that he is going to be uh awake at

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Speaker 8: that time. All Right, I want to talk about Clay

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Speaker 8: coll It for a minute. If I could wins over

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Speaker 8: Jeremy Stevens in the the PFL. I mess with the

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Speaker 8: PFL so much, calling it like the Pioneer Fighter Like

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Speaker 8: then now I'm forgetting is that the professional fighters leave? Yeah,

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Speaker 8: all right, PFL baby Clay Collared. So my research suggests

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Speaker 8: his first eighteen pro fights were in Utah, highest profile fights.

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Speaker 8: I guess he was one and one in this series

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Speaker 8: with Justin Buckles. Then he goes one and three in

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Speaker 8: the UFC. We had to have called some of these

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Speaker 8: fights in twenty fourteen. In twenty fifteen, thought Max Holloway

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Speaker 8: and his UFC debut in twenty fourteen in like a

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Speaker 8: last minute situation. Yes, and this dude's legit, man. You

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Speaker 8: know a lot of people thought he beat how Ushman

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Speaker 8: fil obviously last season, right, and that would have changed

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Speaker 8: the entire narrative. But he fights Jeremy Stevens. Guy's game

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Speaker 8: as hell. And I think of all the guys in

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Speaker 8: the PFL right now, for me, when I see Clay

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Speaker 8: calling on the cad, not just because I like saying

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Speaker 8: his name, you know, I'm following this guy, like as

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Speaker 8: an MMA fan, I'm following what Clay Caller is doing

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Speaker 8: right now.

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Speaker 6: So he's an absolute savage dude, you know, a really

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Speaker 6: kind of happy, go lucky guy, really funny outside the cage,

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Speaker 6: just loves to scrap. And he's this you know, lanky

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Speaker 6: You know, came from like a skateboarding background, but he

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Speaker 6: like wrestled and boxed his whole life, and he's musty

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Speaker 6: TV man. This dude, it doesn't matter who you are,

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Speaker 6: even if you're Jeremy Stevens, and you can put someone

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Speaker 6: out with one shot, He'll get right in there and

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Speaker 6: throw down with you as well. I'm seeing improvements already

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Speaker 6: from last season to this season, and I agree with you.

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Speaker 6: I actually thought he probably won that fight against Howish Manfield.

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Speaker 6: But yeah, right now he's poised to kind of he's

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Speaker 6: really sharp. Had an absolute war with Jeremy Stevens, a

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Speaker 8: And that was your season opener last Wednesday. A little

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Speaker 8: four to twenty show any marijuana smoke in the building,

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Speaker 8: Any cannabis smoke in the building on four twenty or no, you.

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Speaker 6: Know, I didn't smell any you know, I'm sure there

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Speaker 6: were some pens being passed around them.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, those Bay pens. I saw a shoeface with

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Speaker 8: a Bravo choke in twenty nine second. It's not a

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Speaker 8: very difficult night at the office for the newly minted millionaire.

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Speaker 1: Huh.

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Speaker 6: Well, he got rocked early and then literally just kind

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Speaker 1: He's looking great this season.

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Speaker 8: Yet again, just so happy for him, right to rich

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Speaker 8: like the million and to win fights because he had

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Speaker 1: Exactly? Dude, crazy comeback.

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Speaker 6: He was getting out pointed and really, you know, out

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Speaker 6: I was literally talking about how Don Madge was nullifying

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Speaker 6: Manfield defensively, he was looking great and the one time

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Speaker 6: Manfield knew he needed something big to win that fight.

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Speaker 8: rather unceremoniously after fighting Israel outa Sonya and what was

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Speaker 6: Huh, dude, he's looking great. Actually, first of all, looks

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Speaker 6: absolutely jacked. I have no idea how he made one

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Speaker 6: interesting is, you know there's a lot of guys out

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Speaker 1: And guess what has.

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Speaker 6: Helped Israel outa Sognia for a few fights to get

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Speaker 8: How about that?

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Speaker 8: Good stuff? PFL won in the can and nice to

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Speaker 8: have Ken Flow on the sticks as always. All right.

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Speaker 8: UFC did have a live event on ESPN Plus and

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Speaker 8: in the main event it was Jessica Andrage put her

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Speaker 8: in the fucking Hall of Fame. All right. I promised

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Speaker 8: myself I wouldn't go down that path today, but it's like,

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Speaker 8: what else does a woman need to do? And I

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Speaker 8: thought she won the rosanama Unis rematch and what was

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Speaker 8: an absolute war, but that's neither here nor there. It

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Speaker 8: was andraje over Amanda Leamos Lemosh would kick my fucking ass.

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Speaker 8: I mean, do you know what she would do to me?

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Speaker 8: You know, I might have forty pounds on her, she

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Speaker 8: Manda Lemos and any martial art would fucking destroy me,

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Speaker 8: including jiu jitsu, which does not here to be her

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Speaker 8: the first of its kind in the UFC. Remarkable submission

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Speaker 8: win for the Brazilian jiu jitsu black belt Jessica Andrage.

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Speaker 8: Your thoughts on the UFC main event.

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Speaker 6: Listen, you don't need me to tell you that she's

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Speaker 6: an absolute savage Onrage. Still has that hunger, still has

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Speaker 6: and look for a way to win. And she can

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Speaker 6: do it now in a variety of ways. We all

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Speaker 6: she was in the perfect position to finish that arm

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Speaker 8: So you got podcast producers like Cody Merrow that are

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Speaker 8: not trying to discredit on Drage, but they really question

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Speaker 8: Lamos tapping to this particular choke. So I don't know

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Speaker 8: if it's fair of me to put it this way,

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Speaker 8: but why have we not seen this executed in the

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Speaker 8: UFC before? I mean, we remember Toby Imada that inverted

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Speaker 8: reverse triangle choke over Jorge Mospital, But why is this

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Speaker 6: Yeah, listen, you know it's a it's a move you

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Speaker 6: lot of people are hesitant in getting there. A lot

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Speaker 6: of times they'll use the floor to pin their opponents. Right,

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Speaker 6: if I'm on top and I'm working an arm triangle,

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 6: In this case, it worked because they had the fence.

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Speaker 6: It's the exact same position, right, just the fence is

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Speaker 6: Is it a legit submission? Absolutely, And someone was asking

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Speaker 6: And to me, Puyez is in that flow state. He's

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Speaker 1: To me, it just looked like Poyas was better.

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Speaker 6: So a really impressive win for Claudia Pujas, who came

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Speaker 8: That he was going to go out to no man

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Speaker 6: He's like, yeah, after I go out there and finish Clay,

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Speaker 8: He is the real deal. And I think from a

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Speaker 6: I mean it has that that fear instinct you know,

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Speaker 8: There were a lot of big winners on the UFC show.

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Speaker 8: I want to get to some other headlines. Macy Barber

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Speaker 6: Yeah, listen, this is not a great fight for Diego.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 6: and how he looks at heavyweight. I know he's been

433
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Speaker 6: trying to put on weight for a long time now

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Speaker 6: in anticipation of his UFC heavyweight debut, but I still

435
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Speaker 6: think he's going to be a very, very dangerous guy.

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Speaker 6: And I think John Jones is the kind of guy

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Speaker 6: that loves to be doubted loves a challenge. I think

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Speaker 6: that we didn't see the best John Jones at two

439
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Speaker 6: hundred and five pounds in his last few fights, particularly

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Speaker 6: because I don't think he felt the threat factor. I

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Speaker 6: think he knew that he could coast through a fight

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Speaker 6: and not have to be concerned with the guy across

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Speaker 6: from him. You know, maybe that's a soft take or

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Speaker 6: a bad take, but I truly believe that to be true.

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Speaker 6: I think John Jones is motivated and loves when he

446
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Speaker 6: hates his opponent when he feels that you know he's

447
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Speaker 6: gonna get knocked out, or when he's threatened by something

448
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Speaker 6: in that person's game. I think that's when we see

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Speaker 6: the best John Jones. And I think because of that,

450
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Speaker 6: we have the potential to see the best John Jones

451
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Speaker 6: here against the step Amacic, who has been one of

452
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Speaker 6: the best heavyweights, perhaps the best heavyweight we've ever had.

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Speaker 6: So I love this fight. I think Steve Bay's going

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Speaker 6: to be motivated by it. You look at John Jones

455
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Speaker 6: and what he's accomplished. Many people consider him the goat,

456
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Speaker 6: but it has been a while. And yeah, I guess

457
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Speaker 6: Cody is saying he fought twice in twenty nineteen, so

458
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Speaker 6: that's the last time we've seen John and.

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Speaker 8: It was the Dominic Rays fight early twenty twenty UFC

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Speaker 8: two forty seven, so it will have been two and

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Speaker 8: a half years since we saw John Jones. COPI and

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Speaker 8: I think it's interesting, you know, it's it's really interesting

463
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Speaker 8: the potential comeback of John Jones, and obviously Henry Shudo,

464
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Speaker 8: who had a meeting with one of our chief executives,

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Speaker 8: Hunter Campbell and Sewn Shelby over the weekend, seems like

466
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Speaker 8: it's going to be Banham weight for Henry and not featherweight,

467
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Speaker 8: which seems to be his dream to become C four

468
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Speaker 8: and fight Alexander Volkanovski. Could be a case of be

469
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Speaker 8: careful which you wish for, but so Hudo thinks he's

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Speaker 8: uh prime for that challenge. All right, Well, we have

471
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Speaker 8: our guests with us, so let us move on now

472
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Speaker 8: to the guest line. He is the host of Severe

473
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Speaker 8: MMA's podcast, also that she and show at shuredog dot com.

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Speaker 8: On Twitter, you can find him at Sean Shean b A.

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Speaker 8: The pleasure is ours, my friend. It is great to

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Speaker 8: see your face. How are you this morning?

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Speaker 4: And I'm not too bad? Thanks very much for having

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Speaker 4: me on. It's I know we've been talking for Hoyland.

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Speaker 4: It's it's good to get on and obviously talk a

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Speaker 4: bit of judging, which I seem to be always talking about.

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Speaker 8: Judging and scoring. So is your first name pronounced Seawan?

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Speaker 8: I know you got that nice little fancy accent over

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Speaker 8: the A, so I want to make sure I'm getting

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Speaker 8: it right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's it. When when you have it's the father

486
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Speaker 4: in Irish so awe, So that's when you see a

487
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Speaker 4: father's always like liked if you've ever seen that, it

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Speaker 4: elongates the letter. So yeah, Sean got it all right.

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Speaker 8: Well, I'm a I'm a big fan of yours and

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Speaker 8: your work, and we very much appreciate your time. For

491
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Speaker 8: those in our audience that may not know who you

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Speaker 8: are where you come from. Can you just tell us

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Speaker 8: a little bit about your background and I guess ultimately

494
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Speaker 8: how you got so passionate slash aligned with MMA, scoring,

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Speaker 8: judging and all of that. Notes.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so basically, I kind of I started covering the

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Speaker 4: sport around a decade ago, it was, and I had

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Speaker 4: never a plan to cover any I was just kind

499
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Speaker 4: of a fan of the sport. My background is in

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Speaker 4: economics and maths, and now I'm covering the sport full time.

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Speaker 4: So it's kind of gone from there, I suppose. But yeah,

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Speaker 4: so I kind of fell into it.

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Speaker 7: Really.

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Speaker 4: Everyone probably knows Crookland Stephie Haynes. I used to like

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Speaker 4: listen to her show all the time, and anyway, I

506
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Speaker 4: got into it from there. I started doing a bit

507
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Speaker 4: of a blog and Insevere in May, which is the

508
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Speaker 4: biggest website in Europe and Ireland, asked me to write

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Speaker 4: and I came from there the judging path. Then I

510
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Speaker 4: suppose it all came from a Paddy pimblet fight back

511
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Speaker 4: in It was in two thousand and sixteen. I think

512
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Speaker 4: it was you thought Julian Rosa at about the UFC

513
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Speaker 4: now and it was a very controversial fight. Julian and

514
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Speaker 4: Rossa ended up losing the decision, and most people thought

515
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Speaker 4: I also won it. So I put out a tweet

516
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Speaker 4: just saying that literally the result of the fight, and

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Speaker 4: I think I remember counting a time. One hundred and

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Speaker 4: four people replied, and every single person said that was

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Speaker 4: a robbery. Like everyone disagreed, and I said, you know,

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Speaker 4: everyone said it was a robbery. And then a couple

521
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Speaker 4: of the judges kind of had to go at me

522
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Speaker 4: and they were like, what what you know, And they

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Speaker 4: pulled up some of my tweets said well look round

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Speaker 4: to it was a close round and no, you said

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Speaker 4: it was a close round, but you're saying it to robbery.

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Speaker 4: So anyway, we had a bit of a back and forth,

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Speaker 4: and one of the judges who was on that fight,

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Speaker 4: Ben Cartilage, he reached out to me maybe six months

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Speaker 4: later and said, look, we probably shouldn't have done that.

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Speaker 4: You probably shouldn't have done what you did call us out.

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Speaker 4: We probably shouldn't have snappedack at you. And then I

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Speaker 4: started talking to him from there, and it turns out

533
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Speaker 4: been you know, he was on his way up there,

534
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Speaker 4: but still a very top level judge. That's it. Now

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Speaker 4: he's one of the best judges in the world. I

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Speaker 4: think he judged a HAVI versus Paria and Fight Island

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Speaker 4: and another. So I started talking to him from there,

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Speaker 4: and really I've been talking to him since. We've become

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Speaker 4: good friends, and he's kind of taught me the ways

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Speaker 4: of judging, if you want to put it like that.

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Speaker 4: He's kind of I've gone to him every weekend, asked

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Speaker 4: him questions, and it's been going on now for maybe

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Speaker 4: four or five years. So I've done my best to

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Speaker 4: try to kind of acknowledge what the way did George

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Speaker 4: you see it the way the criteria has written, And

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Speaker 4: obviously there's there seems to be a big difference between

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Speaker 4: the way kind of fighters, coaches and fans maybe see

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Speaker 4: it and the way the criteria has actually written. So

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Speaker 4: kind of I suppose what I've been doing over the

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Speaker 4: last two to three years is trying to bridge that gap.

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Speaker 4: And it's a very tough gap the bridge to be honest.

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Speaker 8: Well, we appreciate all of your work and effort along

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Speaker 8: those lines, and I would encourage everybody to check out

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Speaker 8: the pin tweet at Sean She and BA and dive

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Speaker 8: into his scoring explanation. But before I send it over

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Speaker 8: to Kenflow, and I want to be as efficient as

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Speaker 8: possible with your time. I was actually gonna probe our

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Speaker 8: listeners all there, have them ask you questions right, so

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Speaker 8: that I could make sure that I asked the right

560
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Speaker 8: questions today. I guess I would just say in an

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Speaker 8: open ended way. Sometimes I bemoan the fact that after

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Speaker 8: Aljamain Sterling fights pyotr Yan, that like our show is

563
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Speaker 8: just drawn into this like marass of negativity because we're

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Speaker 8: talking about scoring instead of talking about the under be

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Speaker 8: the champion or the fight or the martial arts. And

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Speaker 8: you know, Kempflow doesn't always want to show up and

567
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Speaker 8: talk about scoring. So how do you navigate that with

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Speaker 8: your own shows or do you find that you kind

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Speaker 8: of always just lean into it because people are passionate

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Speaker 8: about it.

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Speaker 4: Look, I think everyone covering MMA has has that issue,

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Speaker 4: whether you know, even even this last weekend where there's

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Speaker 4: like early stoppages and maybe no contests and things like that,

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Speaker 4: or you you know, it's it's a debate that's always

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Speaker 4: going to happen. And I always said, you know, if

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Speaker 4: we're getting into the you know, the debate about judging,

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Speaker 4: if there's a close round, it's a close round, you know,

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Speaker 4: no matter what scoring system you have, no matter you

579
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Speaker 4: know who's judging, and it's going to be a close round,

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Speaker 4: and there's going to be debate. You know, one person

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Speaker 4: will say al Jo, one person will say yan, one

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Speaker 4: person in self fighter be one person in saal fighter A.

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Speaker 4: And it's always going to be like that on my show. Look,

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Speaker 4: it's it's the same as what you have. We probably

585
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Speaker 4: come on we talk about judging for the starting We

586
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Speaker 4: tried to cut it off and then try to talk

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Speaker 4: about the actual fight because like you look at that

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Speaker 4: Sterlingan fight and what what Sterling did in that fight,

589
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Speaker 4: no one expected him to do it. I remember doing

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Speaker 4: the previous show before, and there's no way Sterling can

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Speaker 4: win a decision. You know, of course the decision it's

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Speaker 4: going to be in. And I scored it for Sterling.

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Speaker 4: I think most people kind of did score it for Sterling,

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Speaker 4: and it was a phenomenal, phenomenal display and it is

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Speaker 4: a shame, Like even someone who who talks an awful

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Speaker 4: lot about judging it, I'm sure the judges would say

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Speaker 4: and the officials would say, it do we shouldn't be

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Speaker 4: talking about that. But who's that down to? Is that

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Speaker 4: down to the judges, that down to the division er?

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Speaker 4: Is that down to the people covering it? Like? And

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Speaker 4: I'm one of those people governing it, So I'm not

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Speaker 4: calling down anywhere anything. I'm as bad as anyone else

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Speaker 4: for doing it. But like I think, look, if you're

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Speaker 4: talking about judging, if you're talking about scoring, as long

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Speaker 4: as you're talking about it in the right way, as

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Speaker 4: long as you're talking about it with the criteria back

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Speaker 4: in you, I don't think there's anything wrong with talking

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Speaker 4: about it. So it's a part of the sport and

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Speaker 4: it always will be.

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about the criteria.

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Speaker 6: Do you think the rules and explanation of how you

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Speaker 6: judge a fight is specific enough?

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Speaker 1: Or is it? Should it be that general?

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Speaker 6: Because sometimes I feel like if you get down to

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Speaker 6: the micro too much, you can run into some issue

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Speaker 6: as well.

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Speaker 1: But what's your take on that? Uh?

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Speaker 4: Do you know what I think it the way it's

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Speaker 4: written is is a little bit open in that, and

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Speaker 4: you know it's you know, people say it's it's down

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Speaker 4: to interpretation and stuff. But talking to judges, right, And

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Speaker 4: it's funny because I talk to one judge and ask

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Speaker 4: him a question about a certain round or a certain

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Speaker 4: part of a round, or a certain minute in the fight.

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Speaker 4: And I talk to one judge and he says one thing.

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Speaker 4: And I talk to the other judge and he says

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Speaker 4: the exact same thing. And talk to another judge and

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Speaker 4: he says the exact same thing. And it's the minute

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Speaker 4: shit that they go and talk about. You know, where

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Speaker 4: I was, I always hear from people. There's no accountability

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Speaker 4: with judges. We never hear from the judges afterwards. But

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Speaker 4: you know who does hear from the judges afterwards? Other judges.

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Speaker 4: They get on a call, they've I've been on a

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Speaker 4: couple of their calls with California. There's one coming up

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Speaker 4: in the in the UK now they've set up their

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Speaker 4: own commission here recently. I'm going on one of today.

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Speaker 4: I think it's next week or in two weeks time,

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Speaker 4: and they talk it out. I know far As Griffin

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Speaker 4: has been on recently and other people have been on

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Speaker 4: with them as well, and they talk out these runs

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Speaker 4: actually played around on the zoom. They go through it

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Speaker 4: and all the judges there's a you know, a quiziting

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Speaker 4: comes up and you can say it's a ten nine

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Speaker 4: ten eight, and then they go through and say why

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Speaker 4: is it a TENNA? One judge from you know, the

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Speaker 4: UK talk, one judge from the US talk, and they

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Speaker 4: go through it like that and that to me, and

648
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Speaker 4: I like speaking to judge as well. They all have

649
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 4: WhatsApp groups and they talk to each other after fights

650
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 4: and they said why did you do this? Why do

651
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 4: you do it that way? And to me, look, it's

652
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 4: easy to go, and I've unified rules up in front

653
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 4: of me here. They're only three and a half pages long.

654
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 4: It's easy to go and look at the unified rules.

655
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 4: The tough part is to break down the minutia of

656
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 4: the unified rules. And that's to me, what I've been

657
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 4: trying to do over the last few years, talking to

658
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 4: different judges and trying to break it down in specific ways.

659
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 4: And when you look at it and you think, you know,

660
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 4: it's very opening that it's it's out interpretation. But the

661
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 4: funny thing is if you look at rounds, which I've

662
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 4: done every week through the criteria for the last maybe

663
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 4: two and a half or three years in the UFC. Anyway,

664
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 4: at the big level, if you're in Texas or a

665
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 4: few other places, right, they're very consistent, extremely consistent. Now

666
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 4: you mightn't agree with them, but they're consistent in the

667
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 4: way they judge. If and if you don't agree and

668
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 4: if you don't agree with the way the criteria is written,

669
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 4: the criteria will have to be changed. Like there's two

670
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 4: as a judge in a fight, right judged Vita. The

671
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 4: criteria are judged via how you think the criteria should

672
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 4: be written. And if you're judging vite, how do you

673
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 4: think the criteria should be written? You're doing it the

674
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 4: wrong way, right, Because that's like I put on the example,

675
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,239
Speaker 4: and it's a bit of a nub choose example. But if

676
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 4: you go to you know, if you watch an NFL

677
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 4: game and the score is ten points to three, right,

678
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 4: and you think, no, that's that's not how I like

679
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 4: it scored. Its actually s twenty four points seventeen. Well,

680
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,239
Speaker 4: that the rules are written. You can't just make up

681
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 4: your own rules and decide, right, you know, I'm sure

682
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 4: the Patriots would have won every Super Bowl effort. If

683
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 4: you're scarning it that way, you just can't do it

684
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 4: that way. And I feel a lot of people are

685
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 4: doing it. You know, we talk about after control control,

686
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 4: we talk about uh top position. It does not matter

687
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 4: a jot. MMA is about effective grappling and effective effective

688
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 4: striking and that you know, we can obviously get into that,

689
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:51,239
Speaker 4: but that to me is the biggest thing when you're

690
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 4: talking about judging Seana.

691
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 6: If we can go back to the sterling yond fight.

692
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 6: Round two is another thing that people talk about. In

693
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 6: your opinion, Do you think that was a ten eight round?

694
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 4: No, I don't. I'm in back of what I just

695
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:06,719
Speaker 4: watched it before we started, and I watched it last week.

696
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 4: Have changed. I know John spoke about it on the

697
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 4: show last week. I don't think it was a tenet

698
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 4: before the tennates change. Honestly, I think. Look, it's one

699
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 4: of those rounds where it's this is debate and this

700
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 4: is the minute we talk about with effective grappling. Right, So, Kenny,

701
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 4: if you're teaching someone that jiu jitsu class or wrestling

702
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 4: class tomorrow, you will absolutely teach them that what Alja

703
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 4: man Sterling did in that second round is effective grappling,

704
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 4: but when you're looking at from a judging point of view,

705
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 4: it's not effective from a judging point of view. But

706
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 4: there's two different types of effective, right, effective in terms

707
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 4: of winning you know, scramble or winning position or winning

708
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 4: you know, a fight in terms of an overall flight.

709
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 4: But in terms of winning a round or winning via

710
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 4: effective grappling, it's not just getting a position, it's not

711
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 4: just holding someone in a position. It's what you do

712
00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 4: from the position. Like I'll take another option sangles just

713
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 4: because the digital joining criteria as well as written for

714
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 4: you know these wild uh, you know occasions. Let's say, okay,

715
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 4: well we all think the mount is the most dominant

716
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 4: position you can have in mixed martial arts. Most people

717
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 4: would agree with that. I maybe, you know, maybe the

718
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 4: back mound with the back angle, but but one of

719
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 4: the most Yeah, what about if you get Alexilnick in

720
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 4: the mount? You know that's not a very advantageous aosition,

721
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 4: dan is it? Because he's got an Ezekiel joke you

722
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 4: from the mound, you know, So it's what you do

723
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 4: with that position. That position for Alexilnik is way more advantageous.

724
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 4: So why should the person in the mount get the

725
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 4: score if the person in the mount is landing big

726
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 4: elbows and hitting him from that position. Absolutely, Now, on

727
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 4: the Sterling round two, he had the he had the

728
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 4: body triangle for a large Porson round. I actually think

729
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 4: that is effective grappling. I know you talked briefly about

730
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 4: that last week, because that you know, I've never been

731
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 4: in that position. I'm sure Kenny you could tell us

732
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 4: in John as well. That hurts you like that when

733
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 4: you're holding that. It was a paria and pedes he

734
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 4: got submitted with with a body triangle. That absolutely is

735
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 4: effective grappling. So Jeorge's looking at that and he's like,

736
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 4: you know that that's scoring from that position. But watch

737
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 4: him back to fight. There wasn't really position for me

738
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 4: in that fight. Maybe he disagree, but I didn't think

739
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 4: there was one second where it looked like Yan was

740
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 4: about to get submitted. You know, he had the hand

741
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 4: around the neck in the last minute of the fight,

742
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:16,479
Speaker 4: but Yan quickly got it off. And I remember Joe

743
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 4: said on the commentary he did well, he did really

744
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 4: well to defend that position and the effective striking came.

745
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 4: I looked at it. I actually wrote it down. It

746
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 4: was between one minute forty left in the round and

747
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 4: fifty nine seconds. So to me, he had forty one

748
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 4: seconds of truly effect. Now he had other pits of

749
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 4: effect striking well overwhelming, I would say effective striking in that.

750
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 4: So you look and you're looking at the ten eight round,

751
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 4: and this is what you should always do after around.

752
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 4: It's written in the criteria. There's three parts of around.

753
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 4: You should look at damage, duration, and domination. Right, and

754
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 4: did he have the duration? Yeah, he had the duration.

755
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 4: Did he have the domination? I would say he dominated

756
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 4: him for like, he dominated him a lot for that

757
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 4: forty seconds and he was in a in a position.

758
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 4: But I think that more was to the duration side

759
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 4: of it. So you could argue kind of one and

760
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 4: a half day. I would think the damage, I didn't

761
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 4: thin there was much damage ex to be honest. Now

762
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:09,839
Speaker 4: there was damage for that forty seconds, right, And if

763
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 4: you're looking at from before the ten eates we were

764
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 4: talking about before, when there's two of those d's, you

765
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 4: consider it. So if someone had given a ten a

766
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 4: absolutely with the new ten eates, you have to have

767
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 4: overwhelming damage. That's what they're telling him now, And I

768
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 4: don't think there's any argument to say he had overwhelming

769
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 4: damage in that round. So I don't think any judges

770
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 4: and I don't think any I didn't go at three,

771
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 4: you gave it ten nine. So yeah, I don't think

772
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 4: that's a ten A in that specific round.

773
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:36,279
Speaker 6: So it doesn't have to be overw to be overwhelmingly effective.

774
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 6: It has to be overwhelming damage for them to be

775
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 6: scored at ten eight.

776
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 4: Now it does.

777
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 8: Yeah, but you're saying now it does, and that's what

778
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 8: they're telling them.

779
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 3: Now.

780
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 8: Has the language been rectified to affect that, you know,

781
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:50,879
Speaker 8: to to dovetail with that communication.

782
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 4: No, the language hasn't been changed.

783
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 3: You know.

784
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 4: That's an issue that that's a big issue and that

785
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 4: I hate it. I put out a tweet about it

786
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,720
Speaker 4: the other day. I really don't mind. As someone who's

787
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 4: you know, very much on the judge side and officiating

788
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:05,799
Speaker 4: we are too. I hate it because the record. Yeah,

789
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 4: the problem with it is, and I'm sure you'll bring

790
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:09,919
Speaker 4: it up here, like the round one was ten nine

791
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 4: to Sterling, Round two was ten nine to Startling, and

792
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 4: they are very different rounds, you know, And that's a

793
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:18,800
Speaker 4: problem that that in some ways can't be rectified totally,

794
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 4: but the tenants being given the way they were for

795
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 4: the last what was it four years, really really helped

796
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 4: that issue. I feel like as someone who's looked at

797
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 4: all the rounds or it's really helped that issue. And

798
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,319
Speaker 4: the fact that we've gone back and it's it's not

799
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 4: gone totally back, it's it's absolutely not gone totally back,

800
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 4: but it's gone back a bit. I don't don't think

801
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 4: that helps that sort of position now that one specifically,

802
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 4: I think it was still borderline, to be honest, But

803
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 4: there's lots of other rounds that probably would have been

804
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 4: tenants a few months ago and now they are in tenets.

805
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 4: And look, when I say overwhelmed, it's overwhelming damage. So

806
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 4: it's not overwhelming dominance. It's not overwhelming duration. It doesn't

807
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 4: need to be exactly five minutes. It doesn't need like

808
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 4: if you let's say the the what's the lucrack call

809
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:03,320
Speaker 4: Chris Whiteman, do you know that round where Luke is strugging?

810
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 4: If that happened, No, that's that's overwhelming damage. That's going

811
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 4: to be that's still going to be a ten a, right.

812
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:11,839
Speaker 4: But if you've around you know the jan Sterling round

813
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 4: where he is like a John Fitch Sark round who

814
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:16,840
Speaker 4: he's on top for a full five minutes, landing strikes

815
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 4: but not landing too much. Six months ago that could

816
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 4: have been that could have been a ten air round.

817
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 4: There still weren't really given those rounds, and I like

818
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,320
Speaker 4: that because I think you should have to land damage

819
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:27,319
Speaker 4: from those positions. But it could have been a ten

820
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,360
Speaker 4: air round. Now it can be. They want overwhelming damage

821
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 4: for it be a ten round.

822
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:32,919
Speaker 8: That's interesting. And when I watched it live, I didn't

823
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,319
Speaker 8: think ten eight necessarily, but I did bring it up

824
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 8: on the broadcast, and then when I watched it back,

825
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 8: I thought for sure ten eight. And you have widened

826
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:41,359
Speaker 8: my eyes even more so here. But let me ask

827
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 8: you this, yes or no question. Are you okay with

828
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 8: someone who scored that for al Joe ten eight in

829
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 8: real time and who didn't have the benefit to go

830
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 8: watch it back a million times? Like I'd imagine even

831
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 8: an expert like yourself would be okay with a fan

832
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:56,359
Speaker 8: who watched that round and thought it was a ten eight.

833
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 3: No.

834
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:00,879
Speaker 4: Uh, if you're looking at it, if you're looking at

835
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 4: it from how we're judging right now, which you should

836
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 4: always look at in those eyes. I think that's not

837
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:06,720
Speaker 4: a ten as.

838
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 8: Okay, you're a writer, like I'm a former editor. We

839
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 8: could pick the language apart the way it's written, like

840
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 8: you and I could take a day or a week

841
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:19,799
Speaker 8: and certainly make that language tighter and more clear and digestible.

842
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 8: But I guess that's neither here nor there. Got to

843
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 8: eliminate the ten tens because it sounds to me sean

844
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 8: like if you score around ten ten, the commission might

845
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 8: fucking cut you off for the rest of the night,

846
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 8: not let you judge again. Honestly, you know, yeah.

847
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 4: It's and that's the way it is. I'm looking at

848
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:36,280
Speaker 4: the criteria right here in front of me. This score

849
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:38,839
Speaker 4: will be extremely rare, it says about a ten ten,

850
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 4: extremely rare, Like a judged once taught me, right, A

851
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 4: judge is not just an own. A judge is a

852
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:48,760
Speaker 4: verb to the Judges are sent there to judge around.

853
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 4: They're not sent there to sit in the fence and

854
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 4: say it's a ten ten round.

855
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 3: No.

856
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:55,360
Speaker 4: If there's a no contest and it goes ten seconds

857
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 4: and no one has landed a strike, that's basically what

858
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 4: ten ten rounds are there for. You know, you go

859
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 4: out to judges. There's three ways of scoring a fight, right,

860
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 4: the effective striking grappling, which we talked about. If that's dead,

861
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 4: even which it never is, you go to the effective aggression.

862
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 4: If that's dead even you go to the actagun control.

863
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 4: So there's three ways to score a fight, right. You

864
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 4: don't need after that comes to ten ten. If all

865
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 4: of those are equals inn at the ten ten, that

866
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 4: does that just doesn't happen. That just does. As I said,

867
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 4: the judges a verb. He if Kenny lands one punch

868
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 4: and John lands one punch, who's gonna land the harder punch? No,

869
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 4: probably Kenny is going to give the ref is going

870
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 4: to give the the round to Kenny. That's the way

871
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 4: and as well, you know when we're talking about it,

872
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:39,360
Speaker 4: And you said on the second under the commentary, in

873
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:41,799
Speaker 4: the second round, and correct me if I'm wrong.

874
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 9: Maybe are?

875
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:44,240
Speaker 4: You said in the podcast last week that you taught

876
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 4: uh sterling one of the first Sorry you thought one

877
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 4: of the first thing. You saw the numbers and you

878
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 4: thought Sterling one. And you know we've seen that a

879
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:54,840
Speaker 4: lot of times people that pull up the numbers to

880
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 4: justify why someone wins around that's a completely wrong thing

881
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 4: to do. The numbers matter, not one jot. Like imagine

882
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 4: you I don't know how many strikes Aljaman Sterling landed.

883
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:10,280
Speaker 4: Let's say Turty strikes, right, So he lands those thirty strikes,

884
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 4: they have the effect they have. Imagine the punch that

885
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,319
Speaker 4: Dan Henderson landed on Michael Bisping the second time they

886
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 4: thought over Manchester rebably knocked it out. That one punch

887
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 4: is more effective than those thirty punches all together. Right,

888
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 4: So if that if Perryan had landed that strike that

889
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 4: Dan Henderson landed, I would and not one other strike

890
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 4: in their round. I would argue he went around and

891
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 4: he should win the round via the criteria. So the

892
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 4: stats would be thirty to one, and the guy who

893
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 4: landed the one. Now that's an example again both you

894
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 4: get what I mean. Like, if Yan had landed fifteen

895
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 4: and they were more effective than the turty Sterling landed,

896
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 4: then the fifteen strike should owegh the thirty and the

897
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 4: person with the more effective fifteen strike should win their

898
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:49,439
Speaker 4: own right.

899
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 8: And I think my purpose in bringing it up was

900
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 8: maybe to say, you know, twelve fights into the night,

901
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 8: you know, am I seeing things clearly? Right? I look

902
00:39:57,320 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 8: over to my left after what I thought was a

903
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 8: yarn round and I saw those No. But you and

904
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 8: I are lygned as far as the stats and just

905
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 8: how unofficial and largely eliminatable they are. Kenny, if you

906
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 8: want to jump back in at any time, I got

907
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 8: a million things going on here, all right, the scoring

908
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 8: system itself, right, So I just spoke with the executive

909
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 8: director of the Devatas State Athletic Commission, Jeffmullins, I believe

910
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 8: is his name really good dude, and he referenced I

911
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 8: think the Chuck Norris Combat League, Kenny and Sean, that

912
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 8: basically had a scoring system. I think a five point

913
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 8: scoring system that your average round would be a five

914
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 8: to three, and a super close round would be scored

915
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 8: a five to four, and then maybe your prototypical ten

916
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:39,359
Speaker 8: eight would be a five to two. And that intrigued me.

917
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:41,479
Speaker 8: I know, there's a million things we could talk about, Sean,

918
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 8: open scoring, noise, canceling headphones for the judges, expanding the

919
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:47,279
Speaker 8: judges from five to three. There's a million things we

920
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:50,320
Speaker 8: could do. But do you believe that the scoring system?

921
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 8: I mean, the language is terrible, but the scoring system itself.

922
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:56,320
Speaker 8: Do you believe it to be fundamentally flawed for modern

923
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 8: day mixed martial arts.

924
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 4: No, as long as you have the right judges. There

925
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 4: are very very few judges in the world who can

926
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 4: score it really well. And we see that when the

927
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 4: UFC goes to Texas, or when not just the UFC

928
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 4: anywhere else goes to Texas. Can you were you were

929
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:14,319
Speaker 4: on the PFL obviously doing the commentary last year, and

930
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 4: the biggest problem with that was it was at the

931
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 4: same time that UFC were doing week in, week out

932
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 4: in Nevada. So all the judges, you know, Saldimano, Chris

933
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:24,840
Speaker 4: Lee and all, they were all in Nevada. All the

934
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 4: great English judges were in England all, you know, and

935
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 4: there was very few. There was a lot of local judges.

936
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 4: And what do we have the biggest robbery last year?

937
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:32,319
Speaker 9: What was it?

938
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 4: I think we would probably all agree Rory mc donald, Gleason,

939
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 4: Tibau And it was in PFL because the best judges

940
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 4: were in the UFC that week in judging in Las Vegas.

941
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 4: So there aren't that many great judges. And as I

942
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 4: said before, the criteria, you know, the ways we can

943
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 4: argue a day about the way it's writen. I actually

944
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 4: like the way it's written. But once you get into it,

945
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 4: and once you dig deep in it, and it doesn't

946
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:55,879
Speaker 4: matter like it's three and a half pages and it's

947
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 4: I think it's three and a half pages for a reason,

948
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:00,479
Speaker 4: so people can actually read it, so it's not uh

949
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 4: you know, so people kind of don't stay away from

950
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 4: they're not afraid of it. If it's it could be

951
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:06,799
Speaker 4: fifty pages and no one would ever read it. So

952
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 4: I think that's maybe part of the reason why it's

953
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:11,399
Speaker 4: like that as well. But I think it makes sense.

954
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 4: Like you see at the very top of the scoring

955
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 4: crate here it says an MMA is an offensive sport

956
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 4: and it's scored that way. Like a lot of these conversations, well,

957
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 4: I think should start with the sport and start with

958
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 4: what's good far to sport, and I think offense is

959
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 4: good for the sport, making the sport exciting, you know.

960
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 4: I hope we don't get into the open scoring debate

961
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:31,400
Speaker 4: because I hate to No, we don't hate to talk.

962
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 8: About that, but I I feel like there's just I mean,

963
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:36,839
Speaker 8: the language is so hypocritical, Sean like it literally will

964
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 8: say you don't have to overwhelmingly dominate, and then that

965
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 8: you do within the same fucking stanza, my man, like

966
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 8: it really, we could really go through this, and I

967
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 8: mean we've we've done it on the show, so we

968
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:49,840
Speaker 8: don't need to. But you know, I know sometimes you

969
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 8: take issue when people will say, like, numerically, how can

970
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 8: round one be ten nine sterling and round two also

971
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:56,240
Speaker 8: be ten nine stars?

972
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 3: Issue?

973
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 8: So, but how do we solve that? Like if that's

974
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 8: the like our scoring system doesn't it doesn't work in

975
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 8: my humble opinion, like it doesn't. And you say, like

976
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 8: you and John McCarthy are a line that I know,

977
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 8: I'm all over the place that we only have eight

978
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 8: or ten elite judges in the world. Then why is

979
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 8: Saldematto and Chris Lee disagree all the fucking time? You know,

980
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 8: because I put them on that pedestal that you do

981
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 8: and they disagree all the fucking time.

982
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 4: Close rounds are close rounds, though you have to remember

983
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 4: that like a lot of these are, Like jan Sterling

984
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 4: is a first round is perfect example, Like tell me

985
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 4: what system, Tell me what writing the criteria could split

986
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 4: that open? Like maybe we could do it by stats, right,

987
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:33,880
Speaker 4: we could do it by stats, But what if Dan

988
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 4: Henderson lands that one punch, then the stats are useless.

989
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:38,719
Speaker 4: You know. I feel like what we have right now,

990
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:41,879
Speaker 4: if we look you don't really need to look into

991
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:44,360
Speaker 4: all the criteria, don't really need to go down through it.

992
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 4: Effective striking and effective grappling. Whoever has the better of

993
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 4: that wins the round. We can look at it as

994
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,279
Speaker 4: simple as that. And that's the way MMA should be,

995
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 4: you know, because we want it to be in offensive sport.

996
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 4: We want the person looking for the finish at all times.

997
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 4: I spoke to fighter Will Story is a very good

998
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 4: fighter is probably in the UFC and in the next year,

999
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 4: and I asked, have you read the scoring criteria? Do

1000
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 4: you look at the criteria when you're going to fight?

1001
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 4: And he said, no, I just try to finish the

1002
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:09,960
Speaker 4: fight at all times when I go in there.

1003
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 1: And that's no.

1004
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:12,839
Speaker 4: I'm not saying every fighter should be like that. Fighter

1005
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 4: should absolutely fight to a game plan and ever, but

1006
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:16,840
Speaker 4: that's the way MMA should be written for it to

1007
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 4: be a more exciting sport. That's what MMA is, and

1008
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:23,879
Speaker 4: I feel like the criteria is that right. And when

1009
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 4: you're looking at who wins around, it should be who

1010
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 4: gets closest to finish, who lands the more damage, who

1011
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 4: does the better stuff? And you know you were just

1012
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 4: talking about John Jones. I got the back end of

1013
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 4: it there as I was coming in. The reason John

1014
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 4: Jones's latest fights were closer than maybe his past fights

1015
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 4: would have been because the criteria changed, and when you're

1016
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 4: fighting from the outside and you're fighting a more safe fight.

1017
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 4: And I love John Jones. I think he's a fantastic

1018
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 4: fire and I love that style, but that style isn't

1019
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 4: scoring as heavily under the new criteria as it is

1020
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 4: under the old criteria, because John Jones is maybe not

1021
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 4: the biggest knockout artist in the world. He's not maybe

1022
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 4: the biggest hit in the world. Whereas someone who comes

1023
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:01,280
Speaker 4: in and maybe lands to three shots and John Jones

1024
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:03,479
Speaker 4: and a round after John Jones outscores him for most

1025
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 4: in around can now win a round against John Jones.

1026
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:07,919
Speaker 4: And I think that's good. I like that, and that's

1027
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:10,839
Speaker 4: that's mostly the reason why I read the criteria. I

1028
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:13,320
Speaker 4: agree with you that the criteria isn't specific enough the

1029
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 4: way it's written in those three and a half pages,

1030
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 4: But my argument to why it works well is because

1031
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 4: far the judges and far the way they go through

1032
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:24,800
Speaker 4: the criteria. It is extremely specific. It's very hard to

1033
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:30,280
Speaker 4: achieve that level of specificity that those judges have achieved,

1034
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 4: but they do have it.

1035
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 8: Kenny, I just what do you think about the five

1036
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 8: point score So in that scoring system, right, Sterling Yon? Right,

1037
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 8: So I would have gone five to four Sterling in

1038
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 8: the first round because it's super close, and I'll be

1039
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 8: quick on this, then five to three for Sterling in

1040
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 8: rounds two and three, and then I would have gone

1041
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:52,799
Speaker 8: five to three for Yon in rounds four and five

1042
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:55,920
Speaker 8: and the result would be twenty one twenty Sterling, not

1043
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:58,799
Speaker 8: on like a forty eight forty seven. So yeah, I

1044
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 8: get the same scorecard in a lot of respects, but

1045
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 8: you're then affording the judges a little bit of wiggle

1046
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 8: room there to deal with these close rounds, Like I

1047
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 8: don't know, I just don't think we give the judges

1048
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 8: all the tools to succeed with our ten to nine

1049
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 8: must scoring system, you know.

1050
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it's interesting because Sean, it seems like

1051
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 6: what you're talking about is that there's a change in

1052
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 6: perspective of the rules, not necessarily a change of the

1053
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 6: rules themselves.

1054
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:26,719
Speaker 1: So that's a tricky thing.

1055
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 6: I don't know, and it seems like, you know, the

1056
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 6: judges are becoming more and more aligned on it. But

1057
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 6: then I think, you know, we see this dispute among

1058
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 6: certain rounds as well, because it is an art and

1059
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:45,279
Speaker 6: not necessarily a science, and someone's perspective on that execution

1060
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:47,839
Speaker 6: of those techniques are going to be different, are going

1061
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 6: to vary round by round and person by person.

1062
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 1: I guess, would you agree with that?

1063
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:53,760
Speaker 9: I would?

1064
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 4: Funnily enough, I was actually talking to Mike Mizzouli, who's

1065
00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:59,799
Speaker 4: head of the ABC, was over in Ireland. In the

1066
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 4: I shared a bellet or guard and I was having

1067
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 4: a chat with him about the criteria. I kind of

1068
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 4: cornered him when someone missed away and I chatted him

1069
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 4: for like an hour about it, and he was saying,

1070
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 4: do you know what you sound to me like one

1071
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 4: of the guys I have. He's like, what's your background?

1072
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 4: And I told him like mathematics and economics, and oh yeah.

1073
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:17,319
Speaker 4: The guy I have is an engineer, and he's like,

1074
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 4: you looking at the same way. I look at it

1075
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:22,799
Speaker 4: a very specific way, and like, you know, I have

1076
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:24,759
Speaker 4: no background in mixed martchhal arts apart from watching them

1077
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:26,359
Speaker 4: for the last few years someone and I know lots

1078
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:28,320
Speaker 4: of the judges do have and they look at it

1079
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 4: and they might see a choke and no, obviously no

1080
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 4: better than me. And when you're sitting in cage side

1081
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:32,879
Speaker 4: as well as you know, the two of you can

1082
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:35,800
Speaker 4: can attesta very much. It's very very different. As a

1083
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 4: fly it just flies in front of me. It's it's

1084
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:39,879
Speaker 4: very very different to see there. You can you can

1085
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 4: feel the shots, you can see, you know, someone gurgling

1086
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 4: from a choke or something like that. It's very different

1087
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 4: to do it at home and look at it. But

1088
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 4: I would agree with you there, like I think we

1089
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 4: need to meld them both. And just as well what

1090
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 4: you said before that as well, the criteria in totality change.

1091
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:57,800
Speaker 4: I'm just looking here August second, twenty sixteen, but I

1092
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 4: think it changed on the first of January twenty seventeen.

1093
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 4: But it's changed in the last six months. Is just

1094
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 4: the ten eight part and you're talking to some people

1095
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:08,279
Speaker 4: about it. I think they do want to get the

1096
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 4: wording change. They can only do that once a year,

1097
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 4: that's the way the ABC do it. But what has changed.

1098
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 4: I was kind of told it's not that the you know,

1099
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 4: the treaties. The damage dominist duration for the ten is

1100
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:22,799
Speaker 4: still there, but it's how they're applying it that has

1101
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 4: kind of changed. It's so like I can see their

1102
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 4: argument that they don't need to like immediately change it.

1103
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:29,720
Speaker 4: It's just the way they're applying it has changed slightly

1104
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 4: because all three still have to be there or all

1105
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 4: three you know, if all three are there, you can

1106
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 4: still give it. They're not taking that away. They're not

1107
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 4: saying if only two of the d's are there, you

1108
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 4: can't give it. They're saying damage must be the most

1109
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:44,440
Speaker 4: important part. In some ways, I think it's good, and

1110
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 4: I think damage, like there was some rounds that were

1111
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 4: there were too much. Someone was lying on the top

1112
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:50,720
Speaker 4: of someone for five rounds or for five minutes, sorry,

1113
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 4: and it was a ten and they didn't land really

1114
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 4: much like those, I don't think that those should be

1115
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 4: ten MMA's offensive for it. I'll say it again at

1116
00:48:57,120 --> 00:48:59,800
Speaker 4: the top of the rules. But now someone could be

1117
00:48:59,880 --> 00:49:01,800
Speaker 4: like on top of someone and not lying that I

1118
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:03,759
Speaker 4: have the top position for five minutes and landing good

1119
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 4: shots like those are type rounds I like to be

1120
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 4: to see being given as a TENNA. But they wouldn't be.

1121
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 4: You'd have to hurt someone really bad with the land

1122
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 4: big elbows, got them open or something like that to

1123
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 4: get at Tenna now, and I don't like that. Like

1124
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:18,440
Speaker 4: that to me is the biggest issue with the judging

1125
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:21,439
Speaker 4: criteria over the last while. It's why judging has been

1126
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 4: more of a more of a debate in the last

1127
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:26,760
Speaker 4: six months. And it's all stimming from this tena changing

1128
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 4: I think, because there was. As I said, it was

1129
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 4: very consistent if you're in Nevada, if you're in the

1130
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 4: European judges as well, fantastic. I would love to see

1131
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 4: more of them being brought over. I was watching the

1132
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:37,879
Speaker 4: Tyson Fury fight at the weekend. There was one judge

1133
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:40,479
Speaker 4: from Mexico, I think, one from America and one from

1134
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 4: Germany or somewhere. Why don't we bet bring the best

1135
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 4: judges in like the UFC you better or pfileplenty of

1136
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 4: money for you know, eight hundred quid of a flight,

1137
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 4: bring them in, bring in the best judges to have

1138
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:51,920
Speaker 4: them there, and you know, do it that way because

1139
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 4: we have a great system over here in the UK

1140
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 4: and Ireland where we have cage warriors, which is you know,

1141
00:49:56,840 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 4: like UFC light their ksew over in Poland. Those shows

1142
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:02,719
Speaker 4: are absolutely massive. The judges doing that. You know, Marc

1143
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:05,360
Speaker 4: Godard goes over there a lot. He does, you know,

1144
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 4: of course with him, they're a great system of coming up.

1145
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 4: I would love to see those judges brought over so

1146
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:11,319
Speaker 4: you know that number you set of eight or ten

1147
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:13,319
Speaker 4: really good judges, they could rise to twenty really good

1148
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 4: judges very very quickly. So that's another thing that I

1149
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 4: think we could improve judging with.

1150
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 8: I'm fascinated by this conversation. Next time, I'm going to

1151
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:22,239
Speaker 8: book you for a full hour, and I've wanted to

1152
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:23,440
Speaker 8: book you for a while.

1153
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:24,880
Speaker 1: But let's go.

1154
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:25,720
Speaker 4: I've got two hours.

1155
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:28,840
Speaker 8: Part the reason I did book you today was because

1156
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 8: in following your social media I did notice that there

1157
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:34,840
Speaker 8: was this change over the last six months, and I

1158
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 8: think that might be breaking news even to some of

1159
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 8: our UFC producers. I can't wait to talk to the

1160
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:40,319
Speaker 8: folks in Vegas when I get there this week. ID

1161
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:42,400
Speaker 8: I talk to Jeffmullins and to talk to Mark Ratner

1162
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 8: because this needs to be communicated.

1163
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 1: It really does.

1164
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 8: The open scoring thing. You and I are both against it.

1165
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 8: I'm against it because I think it effectively changes the sport,

1166
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:54,239
Speaker 8: and it's totally unfair for the fighters. Real quick, Why

1167
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 8: are you so adamantly against it?

1168
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 4: Look, I think there's we look at open scoring and

1169
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 4: we said the fighters deserve to know the score. Right,

1170
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 4: that's the big argument for open scoring.

1171
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 9: Right.

1172
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 4: If this, let me ask you a question, John. If

1173
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:11,279
Speaker 4: the score in an NFL game is seven points to three, right,

1174
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 4: what has happened?

1175
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 8: One team is down for But what has happened?

1176
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:17,439
Speaker 4: How did it become seven three?

1177
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:17,719
Speaker 1: Oh?

1178
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 4: Right?

1179
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 8: One team scored a touchdown, the other was only able

1180
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 8: to kick a field goal? Right?

1181
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 4: Very easy? Right?

1182
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:22,879
Speaker 9: A soccer match.

1183
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 4: If it's a soccer match and it's one one Man

1184
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 4: United have scored one goal, Liverpool have scored a goal. Right,

1185
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 4: we know, very easy. If the fight is nineteen nineteen,

1186
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 4: how did it come to that? It's very tough.

1187
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 1: How did he win?

1188
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:36,279
Speaker 4: Okay? He won one round? Here one another? Did he

1189
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:38,800
Speaker 4: have more effective grappling? Did he have more effective striking?

1190
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 4: Did he have you know? Did he win by octagon control?

1191
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 3: What?

1192
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 1: Wait?

1193
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 4: Like, it's so so complicated to just throw out the

1194
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:50,400
Speaker 4: scores there without having an explanation for those scores. In

1195
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 4: the middle of the fight. That's the biggest issue for me.

1196
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:55,719
Speaker 4: There are a myriadad of issues. See Matt Brown and

1197
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 4: Brian Barberreen a couple of weeks ago, the whole crowd

1198
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 4: going insane after the tourd round as Matt Brown last that.

1199
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:03,240
Speaker 4: Imagine that was a five round fight and the score

1200
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 4: was read out after the third round. Imagine the pressure

1201
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:08,239
Speaker 4: on those judges. Remember a couple of years ago there

1202
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 4: was a Joe Rogan thought he saw a judge with

1203
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 4: his phone. I remember everyone was like going and and

1204
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:15,279
Speaker 4: it turns out it wasn't to judge. It was just

1205
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:17,759
Speaker 4: an official But why was everyone going in saying about

1206
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:20,879
Speaker 4: that because we thought the judge wasn't paying attention, Right,

1207
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:22,719
Speaker 4: that's the biggest issue. The judge wasn't watching the fight.

1208
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 4: Imagine if there's twenty thousand dollions behind you roar at

1209
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:30,239
Speaker 4: you and your right, that's not off putting Like that

1210
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:33,120
Speaker 4: to me is a massive issue. And I'm looking at

1211
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 4: very much from a judging perspective here. I'm sure other

1212
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:37,880
Speaker 4: people look at it from other perspectives. But if you

1213
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 4: think it's going to make better judging, I think you're

1214
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 4: sorely mistaken. I think it's going to do nothing but

1215
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 4: make judging worse. And I also think it's going to

1216
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:46,759
Speaker 4: make judges leave. And if we said you've only ate

1217
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 4: great judges in America, and now imagine if two or

1218
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 4: three of them leave, then we're in a very bad position.

1219
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 4: So that's a position I look at at it from.

1220
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 4: There are some positives, So open scoring absolutely, I think

1221
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:58,360
Speaker 4: if everyone understood the criteria, and I think if we

1222
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:01,360
Speaker 4: had loads of judges, no problem open scoring. But I

1223
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 4: don't think it makes sense right now.

1224
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:04,359
Speaker 1: Sean one more for me. Now.

1225
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:07,400
Speaker 6: Conversely, do you think they should be taken out of

1226
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 6: the arena and in a room separately to watch the fight,

1227
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 6: to not be influenced in that regard, I don't.

1228
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 4: I don't think so. I would mind trying that to

1229
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 4: see how it works. But like everyone, you know, the

1230
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:22,320
Speaker 4: three of us, and I've been sitting in case I

1231
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 4: watching a few fights as well. You can hear the

1232
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:26,800
Speaker 4: crack of a shot, you know, you can. I remember

1233
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:28,839
Speaker 4: I was at a five Fabian and Edwards fighting. He's

1234
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 4: a very good bet at our fighter, and I was

1235
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:31,840
Speaker 4: just after coming into an interview. I was kind of

1236
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:33,680
Speaker 4: half watching the fight and I was type and putting

1237
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 4: up something and I heard a crack. The next thing,

1238
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 4: I saw his opponent falling, and I looked up at

1239
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:40,759
Speaker 4: the screen I saw he landed his massive kick to

1240
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:44,759
Speaker 4: the body. You can hear that crack audibly in the

1241
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:47,239
Speaker 4: arena that you can't at home. You just can't hear

1242
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 4: it at home. And the two you know that better

1243
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 4: than anyone else. You can see the trust you can.

1244
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:53,880
Speaker 4: I think it's way better when you're cage side now,

1245
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 4: I know in the UFC, And do you see you

1246
00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 4: have the TV a lot of the time in front

1247
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:00,279
Speaker 4: of the judges where they can watch it, you know,

1248
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:03,120
Speaker 4: if they're at a bad angle or something. Actually started

1249
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:04,919
Speaker 4: the weekend, I don't know if you notice Sally Matter

1250
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:07,520
Speaker 4: was reffing one of the UFC fights and a cameraman

1251
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 4: like rock directly in front of him and he like

1252
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:11,320
Speaker 4: pulled his legs and like get out of my ways.

1253
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 4: That give me a big issue as well. But yeah,

1254
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:16,880
Speaker 4: I and also a massive issue as well. And this

1255
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:19,759
Speaker 4: is a very judging specific issue. But there is a

1256
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 4: side of the cage where there's a door on two

1257
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 4: sides of the cage where there's a door on it,

1258
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 4: and there's one judge that sits on that side of

1259
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 4: the cage. So one two of the judges have this

1260
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:31,399
Speaker 4: big open expanse stick and see everywhere. But one judge

1261
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 4: has a fucking door like here in front of half

1262
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:35,800
Speaker 4: his face, so I have to look around like this,

1263
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 4: you know, to look That is a big issue, and

1264
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 4: that that's something I would love to see change. I

1265
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:41,719
Speaker 4: don't know if you can only have a door on

1266
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:43,279
Speaker 4: one side of the cage or move the judge to

1267
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 4: somewhere else, that to me is a massive issue. And

1268
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 4: it can happen that cerningan fight. If there was one

1269
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 4: the first round, if there was one big shot, it

1270
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:55,279
Speaker 4: could have changed that whole round. And imagine if that

1271
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 4: shot happened as the judge was going like this and

1272
00:54:57,160 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 4: he missed it, then the judge is going to score

1273
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 4: it definitely from the other just never saying, oh it's

1274
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:03,880
Speaker 4: christly inside the amount of different it's because of this cage,

1275
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:07,680
Speaker 4: you know, yeah, exactly, that's gonna say.

1276
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:10,440
Speaker 6: Sometimes you know their their backs are are you know,

1277
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 6: they're fighting here and I can land a shot and

1278
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:15,560
Speaker 6: it might seem like I hit them, but maybe I didn't.

1279
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:17,400
Speaker 6: It might seem like I missed them, but maybe I

1280
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:19,799
Speaker 6: actually hit them. You know, depending on where the judge

1281
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 6: on the shore. That's why I wonder if monitors or

1282
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:26,399
Speaker 6: them having access to some other camera angles would help

1283
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:28,480
Speaker 6: or hurt don't.

1284
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:29,920
Speaker 1: It's a tricky situation. I don't know.

1285
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think like the fact that they do at

1286
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:35,839
Speaker 4: the UFC shows, especially that they do have uh, they

1287
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:37,800
Speaker 4: do have the defeat in front of them and they

1288
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:39,879
Speaker 4: can see it. It's great because if the cameraman does

1289
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:41,960
Speaker 4: stand in front of you, or if you can you know,

1290
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 4: if the two fighters are fight in front of you

1291
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:45,239
Speaker 4: and I can see is their backs to be able

1292
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 4: to look at the camera, fee that's that's great and

1293
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:49,880
Speaker 4: I think that really helps judges. You know, some shows

1294
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:51,799
Speaker 4: don't have that, and you're gonna have you know, you're

1295
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:54,959
Speaker 4: gonna have worse. That's why, like people complain an awful

1296
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:57,080
Speaker 4: lot about the level of judging in the UFC, It's

1297
00:55:57,120 --> 00:56:00,480
Speaker 4: actually fantastic, it really is. It's prittiant, and I think

1298
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 4: a lot of it is down to you know, if

1299
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 4: some people say Sally Matter he's terrible, or Chris Ly

1300
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 4: he's terrible. The reason people say he's terrible is because

1301
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:09,320
Speaker 4: one hundred other people who've never fucking read the criteria

1302
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:12,080
Speaker 4: has said he's terrible, right, that's and like for someone

1303
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:14,719
Speaker 4: like me and for the judges, it's so frustrating when

1304
00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:17,280
Speaker 4: you hear it's it's not the reality of the situation

1305
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:20,440
Speaker 4: that people are taking as fact. It is the bullshit

1306
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:22,400
Speaker 4: that people are taking as fat and that, to me

1307
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:24,759
Speaker 4: is the biggest issue. Fair Enough, if your opinion that

1308
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:26,680
Speaker 4: one judge is rubbish, give me a year of that

1309
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:29,399
Speaker 4: judge's scores and tell me why those scores are bad,

1310
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:30,960
Speaker 4: and then I will agree with you that he's rubbi.

1311
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:34,279
Speaker 4: I like I asked some people at the end of

1312
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:36,320
Speaker 4: the year, I was talking about with you know, we

1313
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:37,799
Speaker 4: do the awards at in the year and I pick

1314
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:39,279
Speaker 4: out the robbery of the year, and it was easy.

1315
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:40,880
Speaker 4: Last year we all know it was Roy mcdanald and

1316
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 4: guessing Tibow. But I was I was saying, like, I

1317
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:46,719
Speaker 4: do the awards for our website, and I tried to

1318
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 4: get nominations like five or ten yusually for and it's

1319
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:52,480
Speaker 4: very hard. And I asked people like, tell me what

1320
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:55,200
Speaker 4: fights do you think if judging is so bad, tell

1321
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:57,439
Speaker 4: me what fights you think are robberies from the last year.

1322
00:56:57,640 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 4: Give me five examples, And no one could like it's

1323
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:03,200
Speaker 4: it's there's very few. There's a lot of fights. You

1324
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 4: can say, Oh, look I thought Sterling one, I taught

1325
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:07,640
Speaker 4: yan one. You know, I thought you know, called you one.

1326
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:09,239
Speaker 4: I tg want whatever it might be. I know what

1327
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:12,000
Speaker 4: they bought finished bo, you get me. That happens a lot.

1328
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:15,400
Speaker 4: But the actual robberies, people actually getting robbed these as

1329
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:17,480
Speaker 4: at the highest level, it's almost nonexistent.

1330
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:20,440
Speaker 8: From my view, I agree, And my issue, as you

1331
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 8: can tell, is more with the scoring and the system

1332
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:26,200
Speaker 8: than it is with the judges. But I will not

1333
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 8: sort of say that we're in this great state of

1334
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:32,080
Speaker 8: UFC judging when experts like you and John McCarthy tell

1335
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 8: me they're only eight or ten, Like you're telling me

1336
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:37,640
Speaker 8: that this job like they're the NFL quarterback right, there

1337
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:40,760
Speaker 8: are thirty two NFL teams, right, they're probably only fifteen

1338
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 8: really good NFL quarterbacks in the world, and all the

1339
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:48,560
Speaker 8: backups are really fucking bad right overall, like can't start right,

1340
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 8: And you're telling me that MMA judge is an even

1341
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 8: more selective profession. I know you've been asked a million

1342
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:55,720
Speaker 8: times like why why don't you judge? I know it's

1343
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:57,960
Speaker 8: not because you don't have a martial arts background, Like

1344
00:57:58,040 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 8: why don't you dip your toe in the water.

1345
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:02,200
Speaker 4: Because I have about one hundred thousand tweets out there

1346
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:06,480
Speaker 4: time about ten thousand times, and now this lad was

1347
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:08,680
Speaker 4: rubbish and is I couldn't judge. I could judge an

1348
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 4: amateur fight maybe or something like that.

1349
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:13,880
Speaker 8: But obviously pro fighters and people like yourself get asked

1350
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:16,840
Speaker 8: a lot if we need more elite judges. Yeah, seems

1351
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:19,640
Speaker 8: like the people that might be qualified aren't aren't jumping

1352
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 8: at those opportunities.

1353
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:23,000
Speaker 4: The people that are qualified are the people that are judging,

1354
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:25,120
Speaker 4: like just because you're an ex fighter, and like, look

1355
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:27,600
Speaker 4: at Frank Trigg. He has done it right and he's

1356
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:30,000
Speaker 4: become a very good referee. He made a great decision

1357
00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:32,360
Speaker 4: last week in UFC. I think he was judging on

1358
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:33,960
Speaker 4: the fights and Bedaitar this weekend and I think he

1359
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:36,360
Speaker 4: made a great decision and the top fight to judge

1360
00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:36,680
Speaker 4: as well.

1361
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:37,720
Speaker 1: Why haven't more?

1362
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:40,120
Speaker 4: Like the question is why don't we see more ex

1363
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:40,800
Speaker 4: fighters doing it?

1364
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:41,280
Speaker 1: Well?

1365
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:43,360
Speaker 4: Why don't we The reason we don't see him is

1366
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:46,280
Speaker 4: because it takes years and you get paid nothing. You

1367
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:48,960
Speaker 4: know what fighters, you know what, fighters going to go

1368
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:51,920
Speaker 4: out and you know I know. I'm I actually spoke

1369
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:54,680
Speaker 4: to the Kansas commissioner there about a year ago or so.

1370
00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:57,000
Speaker 4: I was kind of asking him what people get paid.

1371
00:58:57,240 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 4: They get paid almost nothing. They get you get it,

1372
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:01,640
Speaker 4: you bit when you're at the UFC, and it's still

1373
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:04,560
Speaker 4: not great pay or at belletor level. But if you're

1374
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:06,760
Speaker 4: the five years to get to the UFC level where

1375
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:09,040
Speaker 4: you have to be judging week in week out for

1376
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:12,480
Speaker 4: twenty dollars, maybe what fighter who's had ten years of

1377
00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:14,320
Speaker 4: a career, who might have a few hundred grand if

1378
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:16,320
Speaker 4: they're lucky in the bank, or or a few million

1379
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:16,720
Speaker 4: in the bank.

1380
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:17,920
Speaker 1: What fighter is going to do that?

1381
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:20,520
Speaker 4: What fighters going to drive five hours to get to

1382
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:22,600
Speaker 4: an arena and do it week in week out to

1383
00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:23,919
Speaker 4: get to the very top level.

1384
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:24,720
Speaker 1: Nobody.

1385
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:26,240
Speaker 4: You can't just simply turn up and say, oh, I

1386
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:28,160
Speaker 4: was the next fighter. Let me judge. We've seen some

1387
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:30,000
Speaker 4: of them, you know, I've I've seen a couple of

1388
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:32,360
Speaker 4: them around different places, and they haven't been they haven't

1389
00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:33,920
Speaker 4: been good. You need to study the criteria, you need

1390
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:35,280
Speaker 4: to do what the judges doing all the time. And

1391
00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:37,480
Speaker 4: we don't only have eight or ten top judges. We

1392
00:59:37,560 --> 00:59:39,920
Speaker 4: have eight our ten top judges in America, we have

1393
00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:43,120
Speaker 4: many more worldwide. No, of course, pay that money and

1394
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:44,680
Speaker 4: get those people in and then we will have I

1395
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:46,520
Speaker 4: said it, we'll have a lot of better judge. But

1396
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:48,680
Speaker 4: it's it's not easy to become one of the best

1397
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:50,480
Speaker 4: judges in the world. It really really isn't It takes

1398
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:52,800
Speaker 4: a lot of dedication. Like even if you start off

1399
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:54,120
Speaker 4: and you say I'm going to become one of the

1400
00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:56,280
Speaker 4: best judges in the world, to tell me you're like

1401
00:59:56,440 --> 00:59:58,600
Speaker 4: two three years in and you haven't got a shout

1402
00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:01,200
Speaker 4: from Cage Warriors yet, haven't got a shout from CFFC,

1403
01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:03,400
Speaker 4: you haven't got a show, never mind the UFC, never

1404
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:06,120
Speaker 4: mind PFL, never mind bellatart, and you're still judging on

1405
01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:08,920
Speaker 4: a you know, a rinkyding' shaw in someone's garage, you know,

1406
01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:11,040
Speaker 4: two and a half years later. Just to get there,

1407
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:13,280
Speaker 4: that's what the judges have to do. That's how they

1408
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:15,120
Speaker 4: grew and that's how they became the best judges in

1409
01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:16,720
Speaker 4: the world. And someone with a lot of money in

1410
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:18,640
Speaker 4: the bank certainly isn't going to do that, right and

1411
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:21,440
Speaker 4: maybe the people would you know that that's want to

1412
01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:23,800
Speaker 4: do it. Start out wanting to do it I'm not

1413
01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:25,440
Speaker 4: going to do it, you know, I'm certainly not going

1414
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:27,200
Speaker 4: to do it. There's enough shows around here as well

1415
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:29,400
Speaker 4: to do it, like and it's it's a very hard

1416
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:30,240
Speaker 4: thing to become.

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01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:30,360
Speaker 1: You know.

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01:00:30,600 --> 01:00:32,760
Speaker 8: Yeah, well no, And I think you make a great point.

1419
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:34,800
Speaker 8: Like anything else in life, you got to get repetitions,

1420
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 8: you got to evolve and get good at the job.

1421
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:38,520
Speaker 8: And I was in an elevator with Sal Diamatto and

1422
01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:40,640
Speaker 8: Derrek Cleary recently, and there are two guys that I

1423
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:42,920
Speaker 8: believe or elite judges, and I said to sell. I

1424
01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:44,840
Speaker 8: was like, dude, I'll defend you until I'm bluing the

1425
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:47,360
Speaker 8: face when you score, you know, Jack ro Manson over

1426
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:50,440
Speaker 8: Sean Strickland, because over the course of a calendar year,

1427
01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:52,800
Speaker 8: your fucking money. And I think sells the best, you know,

1428
01:00:53,720 --> 01:00:55,960
Speaker 8: And I've said repeatedly like if I was a judge,

1429
01:00:56,080 --> 01:00:58,720
Speaker 8: like I would have a lot of wayward random round

1430
01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:01,000
Speaker 8: scores that are bad over the course of a year.

1431
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:03,800
Speaker 8: So I agree that these guys are pretty good. We're

1432
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:05,360
Speaker 8: going to have you back on, but we got to fly.

1433
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:08,040
Speaker 8: If you want more from Shaan Sheen And why would

1434
01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:11,520
Speaker 8: you not check out the Severe MMA podcasts Also The

1435
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:14,160
Speaker 8: Shean Show at sherdog dot com and on Twitter. Every

1436
01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:16,600
Speaker 8: Saturday night I get off the air, and this is

1437
01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:18,320
Speaker 8: one of the fees that I go to at Shawn

1438
01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:22,480
Speaker 8: she and BA My man. Always a good thing, you know,

1439
01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:24,160
Speaker 8: because I mean it's like for me, I have no

1440
01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:26,960
Speaker 8: ego when it comes to my scorecard, and I say

1441
01:01:27,080 --> 01:01:29,680
Speaker 8: every week it should be tossed out. But your scorecard,

1442
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:31,040
Speaker 8: your scorecard means something.

1443
01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:31,360
Speaker 1: My man.

1444
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:37,440
Speaker 8: There is Shawn she And with us on the Anicmploring podcast.

1445
01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:39,440
Speaker 8: I could talk to that guy all fucking day. I

1446
01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:42,080
Speaker 8: mean I literally have seven questions that I didn't even

1447
01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:46,760
Speaker 8: get into, but I didn't have the exact hypocritical ten

1448
01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:48,720
Speaker 8: eight language that was in there. But right, it's like,

1449
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:50,960
Speaker 8: you know, ken flow, isn't it nuts that like over

1450
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:53,960
Speaker 8: the last six months, like there has been a perspective

1451
01:01:54,080 --> 01:01:56,880
Speaker 8: change and some communication of that change to the judges,

1452
01:01:56,920 --> 01:01:58,840
Speaker 8: but certainly not to the m M A masses or

1453
01:01:58,880 --> 01:01:59,880
Speaker 8: the fan base or the promoter.

1454
01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:03,040
Speaker 1: It's fucked, man, Yeah, a lot of it kind of

1455
01:02:03,160 --> 01:02:04,120
Speaker 1: just doesn't make sense.

1456
01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:08,240
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, and again with anything else, uh, you know

1457
01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:11,120
Speaker 6: where creatures have it and we don't like change, and

1458
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:14,200
Speaker 6: and and and to have some kind of change, especially

1459
01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:16,160
Speaker 6: positive change, takes time.

1460
01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:18,080
Speaker 1: So I'm curious to see how this is going to

1461
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:19,160
Speaker 1: evolve over time.

1462
01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:21,800
Speaker 8: So yeah, all right, anything that we missed, get out,

1463
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:24,280
Speaker 8: get at us at Anna Florian pod. But we got

1464
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:27,080
Speaker 8: to spin it forward here. I know we've been keeping

1465
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:29,560
Speaker 8: MMA Takes Podcast Brian Petreon hole, but we got to

1466
01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:31,000
Speaker 8: get to the pronunciation of the week, and we got

1467
01:02:31,120 --> 01:02:33,919
Speaker 8: to call on Cody Merrow. What's blue eyed Cody doing

1468
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:35,280
Speaker 8: there in New Jersey today?

1469
01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:35,560
Speaker 3: Huh?

1470
01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:39,400
Speaker 7: What's up collecting my winnings and a good night of

1471
01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:43,040
Speaker 7: PFL betting and UFC gambling? You know from our boy

1472
01:02:43,160 --> 01:02:44,720
Speaker 7: MMA Takes cleaning up?

1473
01:02:44,920 --> 01:02:47,160
Speaker 8: All right, So the pronunciation of the week this week.

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01:02:47,240 --> 01:02:50,880
Speaker 8: His first name is Gerald, longtime rufous sport product. They

1475
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:53,800
Speaker 8: call him GM three, had a bunch of submissions last

1476
01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:56,200
Speaker 8: year and people fuck up his surname all the time.

1477
01:02:56,240 --> 01:02:58,280
Speaker 8: I promise you I won't do it this weekend. But Cody,

1478
01:02:58,560 --> 01:03:02,080
Speaker 8: this is a repeat entry on the Pronunciation of the week.

1479
01:03:02,120 --> 01:03:03,920
Speaker 8: How do you pronounce GM three's name?

1480
01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:06,480
Speaker 10: This is Gerald Meershart correct?

1481
01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:09,280
Speaker 4: Oh, I mean I hate you.

1482
01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:12,440
Speaker 8: Let's hear joying the file.

1483
01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:18,440
Speaker 1: Now mer Shart oh full nine place Gerald Mershard and

1484
01:03:18,520 --> 01:03:19,560
Speaker 1: a couple of slight ones.

1485
01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:25,400
Speaker 3: Gerald Mershard, Gerald Shard.

1486
01:03:26,360 --> 01:03:30,560
Speaker 1: No, there's a difference between mer Shart and mer Sharks.

1487
01:03:31,160 --> 01:03:32,880
Speaker 1: And I had it wrong too, so I mean.

1488
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:38,440
Speaker 7: So all right, it's like, yeah, it's funny though, because

1489
01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:41,520
Speaker 7: my last name has the same emmy R part, but

1490
01:03:41,680 --> 01:03:43,880
Speaker 7: mine's Marrow bone Marrow.

1491
01:03:44,040 --> 01:03:46,840
Speaker 10: Like if people call me Murrow, I'd be pissed.

1492
01:03:47,120 --> 01:03:49,240
Speaker 8: We're still trying to get that nickname for you to stick,

1493
01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:51,240
Speaker 8: Cody Bone Marrow.

1494
01:03:52,040 --> 01:03:53,960
Speaker 10: Yeah, well, hey, I mean nicknames, bro.

1495
01:03:54,120 --> 01:03:56,920
Speaker 7: I mean, if some people would take my nickname advice,

1496
01:03:57,000 --> 01:03:58,960
Speaker 7: maybe they would have done better in their recent fights.

1497
01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:02,360
Speaker 8: I'm just saying this a little shot at the dark

1498
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:03,080
Speaker 8: horse Christock.

1499
01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:03,400
Speaker 3: Is there?

1500
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:03,919
Speaker 1: What a dick?

1501
01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:06,920
Speaker 8: Gerald Mershart, though, for the broadcast this weekend, it is

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Speaker 8: not mere Shark, despite that double e uh in the

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01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:12,200
Speaker 8: first syllable of his last name, Cody. We'll see on

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01:04:12,240 --> 01:04:13,720
Speaker 8: the back end for the Merrow seconds here in a

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Speaker 8: little bit.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, hell yeah, I got some got some good stuff

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01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:17,080
Speaker 10: for you guys.

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Speaker 8: All right, that's it for the pronunciation of the week.

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Speaker 8: It is now time for the Main Event Challenge.

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Speaker 5: The Main Event Challenge.

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Speaker 11: Is most everything possible to win.

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01:04:34,280 --> 01:04:39,040
Speaker 5: The main Event Challenge, John Hannick and Kenny Florian podcast.

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Speaker 8: Oh give me all that big gun Brian Patrie energy during.

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Speaker 9: What's So?

1515
01:04:46,200 --> 01:04:47,480
Speaker 8: I'm sorry to keep you waiting.

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01:04:47,680 --> 01:04:48,360
Speaker 9: It was all good.

1517
01:04:48,520 --> 01:04:50,960
Speaker 8: Did you listen to any of the scoring conversation with

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01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:51,840
Speaker 8: Sean She and I did.

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01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:54,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's great. I follow John for a while.

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Speaker 11: I'm not a big like my opinion on scoring, Like obviously,

1521
01:04:57,320 --> 01:05:00,680
Speaker 11: I get frustrated with it. Let let the fighters decide

1522
01:05:00,680 --> 01:05:01,560
Speaker 11: if they want open scoring.

1523
01:05:01,600 --> 01:05:03,120
Speaker 9: There's the one. They're the ones fighting like.

1524
01:05:03,200 --> 01:05:04,960
Speaker 11: Some people are opposed to it, some people aren't, some

1525
01:05:05,040 --> 01:05:07,360
Speaker 11: people like it. If the fighters want it, why not,

1526
01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:10,000
Speaker 11: you know, they're the ones risking it as a cap or.

1527
01:05:10,120 --> 01:05:12,280
Speaker 11: I don't want open scoring because there there goes your

1528
01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:14,440
Speaker 11: live lines, you know what I mean, Because the judges

1529
01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:16,120
Speaker 11: come out and be like hey, and then a guy

1530
01:05:16,200 --> 01:05:18,200
Speaker 11: who I think has momentum, who's out a plus whatever,

1531
01:05:18,440 --> 01:05:21,440
Speaker 11: you know, I'm fucked. But yeah, I don't dive too

1532
01:05:21,520 --> 01:05:23,280
Speaker 11: much into the scoring. I think it's I don't have

1533
01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:25,760
Speaker 11: a real strong opinion on it. I listened to I

1534
01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:28,080
Speaker 11: know you you guys get on a lot too. I

1535
01:05:28,200 --> 01:05:30,160
Speaker 11: just kind of trust my eyes a little bit as

1536
01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:32,240
Speaker 11: opposed to the language, which I probably don't have the

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01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:34,120
Speaker 11: smartest thing. But that's why you don't ever see me

1538
01:05:34,240 --> 01:05:36,640
Speaker 11: banging on judges too too much on Twitter.

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01:05:36,800 --> 01:05:39,240
Speaker 8: Well, and I'm not trying to disrespect those who wrote

1540
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:43,000
Speaker 8: these rules and regulation. And I understand it's a tricky process,

1541
01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:45,480
Speaker 8: you know. Like I used to work in the writing

1542
01:05:45,600 --> 01:05:48,000
Speaker 8: center at Gettysburg College and I would do nothing but

1543
01:05:48,320 --> 01:05:52,520
Speaker 8: edit all day long papers, long form stuff. So I

1544
01:05:52,760 --> 01:05:54,920
Speaker 8: just feel like this could really just be cleaned up

1545
01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:57,640
Speaker 8: and more concise and just more ingestable for everybody. But

1546
01:05:58,280 --> 01:06:00,400
Speaker 8: obviously they're not looking at me to rewrite the rules.

1547
01:06:01,480 --> 01:06:03,680
Speaker 8: All right, So another good week for uh for you?

1548
01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:04,120
Speaker 1: Huh?

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01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:07,480
Speaker 8: I mean, so like your wife, Like, does she appreciate

1550
01:06:07,520 --> 01:06:09,280
Speaker 8: all the money that you're bringing to the family with her?

1551
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:11,840
Speaker 1: I I hope so.

1552
01:06:12,600 --> 01:06:14,400
Speaker 11: No, Like it's funny like I'll be in my office

1553
01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:16,440
Speaker 11: watching tape or something like that, my daughter comes in.

1554
01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:18,720
Speaker 9: It's like, hey, we're having popcorn, Like, okay, daddy's working.

1555
01:06:18,760 --> 01:06:21,880
Speaker 11: She's like, now you're not kana I am because I'm

1556
01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:23,080
Speaker 11: on a nice little run here.

1557
01:06:23,560 --> 01:06:24,280
Speaker 8: I'm locked in.

1558
01:06:24,760 --> 01:06:26,280
Speaker 9: Wife is super supportive of it.

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01:06:26,440 --> 01:06:28,160
Speaker 11: She you know, she likes you know, when I went

1560
01:06:28,200 --> 01:06:31,440
Speaker 11: and stuff. She's not like fully invested into it yet. Right,

1561
01:06:31,600 --> 01:06:33,480
Speaker 11: she doesn't mean we bought a new fridge. I'm buying

1562
01:06:33,560 --> 01:06:36,000
Speaker 11: a new bed frame here in a minute. Had another

1563
01:06:36,040 --> 01:06:38,000
Speaker 11: good week, hit a five to one parlay with a

1564
01:06:38,600 --> 01:06:39,760
Speaker 11: with some hefty units on it.

1565
01:06:39,840 --> 01:06:40,280
Speaker 9: This weekend.

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Speaker 11: Uh, Claudio puls coming through hit the four. I can't

1567
01:06:43,240 --> 01:06:45,920
Speaker 11: believe he was a four to one plus four hundred

1568
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:47,880
Speaker 11: by submission, which I didn't think he'd submit clay that.

1569
01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:50,240
Speaker 9: Quickly, but I knew he would probably get it eventually.

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01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:52,560
Speaker 1: And uh, yeah, overall good week.

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Speaker 11: I mean Donnie Madge, Kenny and I talked about it.

1572
01:06:54,920 --> 01:06:57,480
Speaker 11: Donnie Madge with me. He was up, I was counting

1573
01:06:57,520 --> 01:06:59,400
Speaker 11: my money. I'm like, yeah, I could, I could get

1574
01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:00,000
Speaker 11: a pair of shoes.

1575
01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:00,880
Speaker 1: I can get this.

1576
01:07:01,480 --> 01:07:03,680
Speaker 11: He's up two rounds and gets cliff. I'm like, fuck,

1577
01:07:03,800 --> 01:07:04,520
Speaker 11: I can't believe it.

1578
01:07:04,680 --> 01:07:07,560
Speaker 9: So but yeah, wife's appreciative, she's she's supportive.

1579
01:07:07,600 --> 01:07:09,640
Speaker 8: For sure, you're gonna be doing this full time. There's

1580
01:07:09,680 --> 01:07:11,760
Speaker 8: no doubt about it. Gonna leave the Anakin Floring podcast

1581
01:07:11,840 --> 01:07:14,120
Speaker 8: in the dust to say, hey, remember us? He likes

1582
01:07:14,120 --> 01:07:18,560
Speaker 8: Sorry boys, all right, four picks to make this week.

1583
01:07:18,680 --> 01:07:20,560
Speaker 8: First one for us is gonna be at middleweight guys

1584
01:07:20,640 --> 01:07:24,840
Speaker 8: fighters with a combined thirty UFC fights between them. Chris

1585
01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:29,240
Speaker 8: Jocko minus won sixty Gerald mur sharp plus one forty

1586
01:07:29,560 --> 01:07:32,080
Speaker 8: SHEM three a perfect three. You know in twenty twenty

1587
01:07:32,160 --> 01:07:35,000
Speaker 8: one BP as many submissions as he had wins. Your

1588
01:07:35,040 --> 01:07:36,960
Speaker 8: thoughts on him here against Jocko, who has sort of

1589
01:07:37,000 --> 01:07:38,720
Speaker 8: been on the fringe of contention for some time.

1590
01:07:39,480 --> 01:07:41,160
Speaker 9: Yeah, I don't know about this line.

1591
01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:43,800
Speaker 11: I hope Kenny and I, with our big powerful brains,

1592
01:07:43,880 --> 01:07:46,400
Speaker 11: move this line because I love GM three in this spot.

1593
01:07:46,440 --> 01:07:49,240
Speaker 11: I can't believe he's showing the dog here. Jocko doesn't finish.

1594
01:07:49,240 --> 01:07:50,960
Speaker 11: Anybody can't eve finish the back of chips. He said

1595
01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:53,600
Speaker 11: one finish in twenty back all the way back.

1596
01:07:53,440 --> 01:07:54,080
Speaker 9: In twenty sixteen.

1597
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Speaker 11: He's he got that karate style. He blitz in, but

1598
01:07:56,560 --> 01:07:58,880
Speaker 11: he likes to set his own pace. He likes the

1599
01:07:59,040 --> 01:08:01,520
Speaker 11: squeaky decision every fight he's in, even when it looks

1600
01:08:01,560 --> 01:08:04,800
Speaker 11: like he's winning or dominating, it's very close. GM three

1601
01:08:05,080 --> 01:08:07,840
Speaker 11: is a pure finisher. This guy fucking lives.

1602
01:08:07,600 --> 01:08:08,240
Speaker 1: In the chaos.

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01:08:08,720 --> 01:08:10,920
Speaker 11: He can strike, he can grapple, it goes to the

1604
01:08:10,960 --> 01:08:13,320
Speaker 11: ground and usually lights out. He's got every kind of submission.

1605
01:08:13,600 --> 01:08:16,000
Speaker 11: His striking I think is slept on because the last

1606
01:08:16,040 --> 01:08:18,040
Speaker 11: time we saw him strike he got knocked out by Timaya,

1607
01:08:18,120 --> 01:08:18,559
Speaker 11: but that was like.

1608
01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:19,719
Speaker 9: In a quick burst.

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01:08:20,120 --> 01:08:21,640
Speaker 11: But he's a real durable dude. You look at the

1610
01:08:21,720 --> 01:08:23,720
Speaker 11: Draan Win fight. He was standing up with drawn Win,

1611
01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:25,720
Speaker 11: who's a decent little box room in his own right,

1612
01:08:26,120 --> 01:08:28,479
Speaker 11: nice little power, and he was boxing them up. And

1613
01:08:28,640 --> 01:08:32,160
Speaker 11: I think people forget how good Jerald merzcard Is and

1614
01:08:32,400 --> 01:08:35,479
Speaker 11: Jocko getting this number. I'm not sure why because if

1615
01:08:35,520 --> 01:08:38,040
Speaker 11: you look at the resumes, it's not even close. And

1616
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Speaker 11: I don't want to disrespect Jocko, but he's a decision

1617
01:08:40,120 --> 01:08:42,479
Speaker 11: fighter's a point fighter, and GM three's not about that.

1618
01:08:42,520 --> 01:08:44,800
Speaker 11: He's gonna push forward, put him on his back. Jocko

1619
01:08:44,880 --> 01:08:47,280
Speaker 11: does have decent takedown the fence, but I think when

1620
01:08:47,400 --> 01:08:49,360
Speaker 11: GM just makes it ugly, just gets in there and

1621
01:08:49,400 --> 01:08:50,599
Speaker 11: grinds on him, it's could be a problem.

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01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:51,200
Speaker 1: I love this.

1623
01:08:51,720 --> 01:08:54,519
Speaker 11: I'm hammering GM three when the line moves, I'm doubled

1624
01:08:54,560 --> 01:08:55,439
Speaker 11: down hammering him again.

1625
01:08:55,520 --> 01:08:56,799
Speaker 9: I like GM three by submission.

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01:08:57,160 --> 01:08:59,920
Speaker 8: Very interesting take and I don't necessarily disagree with it.

1627
01:09:00,240 --> 01:09:03,160
Speaker 8: Jockgo has won four of five Kenny he outpointed Misha

1628
01:09:03,200 --> 01:09:07,720
Speaker 8: Sarakunov last October in what was Misha's middleweight debut. What

1629
01:09:07,840 --> 01:09:10,000
Speaker 8: do you think about this fight at middleweight? And ultimately

1630
01:09:10,080 --> 01:09:12,400
Speaker 8: are you going jotgo or Murshark?

1631
01:09:12,840 --> 01:09:16,800
Speaker 1: You know, I thought that Petrie would take the bait

1632
01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:19,880
Speaker 1: on Jodko, but no, no, he's too sharp. He's not

1633
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:22,360
Speaker 1: he's not buying it. I'm not either, you know. Listen,

1634
01:09:22,600 --> 01:09:24,360
Speaker 1: I like GM three here as well.

1635
01:09:24,400 --> 01:09:27,960
Speaker 6: I think Mershard it is the guy who if they

1636
01:09:28,040 --> 01:09:29,960
Speaker 6: get to a finish it, it's gonna be Mershard. You

1637
01:09:30,040 --> 01:09:32,840
Speaker 6: look at his submission streak and his ability to do

1638
01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:35,920
Speaker 6: things on the ground. I think he can certainly get

1639
01:09:35,960 --> 01:09:38,559
Speaker 6: it done there, no question about that. And I also

1640
01:09:38,640 --> 01:09:41,160
Speaker 6: think his size and his ability, you know, the fact

1641
01:09:41,200 --> 01:09:44,000
Speaker 6: that he's improved is striking over the years makes him

1642
01:09:44,280 --> 01:09:45,719
Speaker 6: a problem there as well.

1643
01:09:46,439 --> 01:09:49,479
Speaker 1: So can Jock Coo win the fight? Sure? But I

1644
01:09:49,640 --> 01:09:50,720
Speaker 1: like Murshard here as well.

1645
01:09:51,400 --> 01:09:54,160
Speaker 8: I remember seeing Jocko early on, I think against Bradley Scott,

1646
01:09:54,360 --> 01:09:56,519
Speaker 8: maybe in his UFC debut or one of his early fights,

1647
01:09:56,560 --> 01:09:58,880
Speaker 8: thinking dude, this dude kicks like a motherfucker. He's gonna

1648
01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:01,240
Speaker 8: be a real problem. Just hasn't ascessarily taken that next

1649
01:10:01,280 --> 01:10:03,960
Speaker 8: step despite being close to the top fifteen and maybe

1650
01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:07,400
Speaker 8: even ranked at one point in time. All right, our

1651
01:10:07,479 --> 01:10:09,880
Speaker 8: listeners want Ken Flow to lead off on some of

1652
01:10:09,920 --> 01:10:12,040
Speaker 8: these selections. So we are here for the for the

1653
01:10:12,240 --> 01:10:13,960
Speaker 8: you know, we're here for the listenership. I mean, you

1654
01:10:14,040 --> 01:10:16,240
Speaker 8: guys run the show. So Kenny's going to lead us

1655
01:10:16,280 --> 01:10:18,520
Speaker 8: off on the main event today. And also the lightweights.

1656
01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:21,000
Speaker 8: Right here a couple of former featherweights. They are Grant

1657
01:10:21,080 --> 01:10:24,160
Speaker 8: Dawson minus one forty five and Jared Gordon plus one

1658
01:10:24,200 --> 01:10:27,559
Speaker 8: twenty five odds courtesy of DraftKings sportsbook. So Grant Dawson

1659
01:10:27,560 --> 01:10:29,519
Speaker 8: an interesting story here Ken Flow five oh and one

1660
01:10:29,560 --> 01:10:32,800
Speaker 8: of the UFC last fight was a draw against Ricky

1661
01:10:32,840 --> 01:10:35,960
Speaker 8: the Gladiator Glenn. Now Dawson is training and living I

1662
01:10:36,040 --> 01:10:38,760
Speaker 8: believe in South Florida, where Gordon has been for several years.

1663
01:10:39,040 --> 01:10:41,519
Speaker 8: Jared Gordon also has some momentum. Big fight here at

1664
01:10:41,560 --> 01:10:44,040
Speaker 8: fifty five. Can flow? Which way you go in Grant

1665
01:10:44,080 --> 01:10:45,120
Speaker 8: Dawson or Jared Gordon?

1666
01:10:45,800 --> 01:10:48,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, this is an interesting one. They kind of have

1667
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:51,760
Speaker 6: similar styles in that they both you know, like like

1668
01:10:51,840 --> 01:10:54,800
Speaker 6: to hit their takedown. They use their strikes mostly to

1669
01:10:54,880 --> 01:10:57,080
Speaker 6: kind of get to the clinch and work their ground

1670
01:10:57,120 --> 01:10:57,840
Speaker 6: game a little bit.

1671
01:10:59,400 --> 01:11:01,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is going to be interesting. I think it's

1672
01:11:01,840 --> 01:11:06,080
Speaker 1: a close one. Geez man.

1673
01:11:06,479 --> 01:11:10,920
Speaker 6: I'm a big fan of Gordon, but I think at

1674
01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:14,080
Speaker 6: this stage of the game, Grant Dawson might have the edge,

1675
01:11:14,200 --> 01:11:16,200
Speaker 6: just because I think it's gonna be it's gonna end

1676
01:11:16,320 --> 01:11:20,080
Speaker 6: up being a grappling fight, and Grant Dawson might be

1677
01:11:20,120 --> 01:11:23,639
Speaker 6: able to outpoint him or outposition a little bit there.

1678
01:11:23,840 --> 01:11:25,960
Speaker 6: So I think speed is going to be a factor,

1679
01:11:26,040 --> 01:11:27,960
Speaker 6: and I think Dawson's a little quicker than Gordon.

1680
01:11:28,720 --> 01:11:29,559
Speaker 1: It should be close.

1681
01:11:30,080 --> 01:11:32,120
Speaker 6: I'd love to see Gordon go out there and pull off,

1682
01:11:32,240 --> 01:11:34,960
Speaker 6: but I give the slight edge to Dawson here and

1683
01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:35,559
Speaker 6: by decision.

1684
01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:37,920
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think there are gonna be some interesting grappling

1685
01:11:37,960 --> 01:11:40,920
Speaker 8: exchanges here, Brian, I don't know how you forecasted. Jared

1686
01:11:40,920 --> 01:11:43,000
Speaker 8: Gordon has won three in a row, all of them

1687
01:11:43,080 --> 01:11:46,599
Speaker 8: by decision, dating to that twenty nineteen first round knockout

1688
01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:49,599
Speaker 8: lost to Charles OLIVERA. Your thoughts on him here as

1689
01:11:49,720 --> 01:11:51,160
Speaker 8: the dog against Grant Dawson.

1690
01:11:51,439 --> 01:11:54,000
Speaker 11: Yeah, it's a little surprising he left Kraus's Jim, you

1691
01:11:54,080 --> 01:11:56,000
Speaker 11: know Kraus of Jim. I mean This is like Kraus's

1692
01:11:56,080 --> 01:11:58,320
Speaker 11: kind of homegrown boy, a little bit left to Jim,

1693
01:11:58,360 --> 01:11:59,720
Speaker 11: and Krause is doing great things in there and went

1694
01:11:59,760 --> 01:12:01,920
Speaker 11: to eight team. Maybe maybe he wants the son, Maybe

1695
01:12:01,960 --> 01:12:03,840
Speaker 11: he wants to live next to Jaya. You know, I

1696
01:12:03,920 --> 01:12:05,679
Speaker 11: don't really know what the move was, because he's looked

1697
01:12:05,680 --> 01:12:07,800
Speaker 11: pretty good in the UFC's they got that grinding style.

1698
01:12:08,200 --> 01:12:10,240
Speaker 11: But I've never been blown away with him, you know,

1699
01:12:10,360 --> 01:12:12,320
Speaker 11: I've always been kind of on him, and I don't

1700
01:12:12,360 --> 01:12:15,120
Speaker 11: know why. Maybe I'm missing something. There's like James Kraus

1701
01:12:15,160 --> 01:12:16,800
Speaker 11: will talking about other people talking to He might just

1702
01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:18,240
Speaker 11: be like a field guy. You might just need to

1703
01:12:18,280 --> 01:12:20,599
Speaker 11: see him in there. He's kind of like a Darren Elkins, right,

1704
01:12:20,680 --> 01:12:23,160
Speaker 11: not as damage ward as Darren Elkins.

1705
01:12:22,880 --> 01:12:25,120
Speaker 1: But he's just like he's gonna will his way to victory.

1706
01:12:25,200 --> 01:12:27,160
Speaker 11: Right the Leonardo sound Throws fight, he was losing that

1707
01:12:27,240 --> 01:12:29,240
Speaker 11: fight and he came back and he knocked him out.

1708
01:12:29,240 --> 01:12:30,840
Speaker 11: It's a great knockout. But you know, he has this

1709
01:12:30,960 --> 01:12:34,000
Speaker 11: thing about him, this intangible thing that I'm missing. And

1710
01:12:34,080 --> 01:12:35,600
Speaker 11: Jared Gordon was a guy that I was kind of

1711
01:12:35,640 --> 01:12:37,800
Speaker 11: a on as well. But then he goes out to

1712
01:12:37,880 --> 01:12:39,880
Speaker 11: fight Island by himself.

1713
01:12:39,600 --> 01:12:41,559
Speaker 9: Everyone and his family, everyone in his corner.

1714
01:12:41,760 --> 01:12:45,599
Speaker 11: All Covid goes by himself, Iron Lung corners him against

1715
01:12:45,640 --> 01:12:48,680
Speaker 11: Christophers Cold who's crafty on the ground, and he stifles him.

1716
01:12:48,720 --> 01:12:52,040
Speaker 11: Thirty twenty seven looks great. That has to be impossible

1717
01:12:52,080 --> 01:12:53,880
Speaker 11: to do. Then he goes out there against Danny sha

1718
01:12:54,280 --> 01:12:56,880
Speaker 11: child As who's a very tough, durable guy. And then

1719
01:12:57,280 --> 01:13:00,880
Speaker 11: another one that Joe selectus a great grappler. He was

1720
01:13:00,920 --> 01:13:02,920
Speaker 11: a split decision. Some people have different opinions on it,

1721
01:13:03,000 --> 01:13:05,759
Speaker 11: but he looked good in that fight. And Gordon's cardio

1722
01:13:06,000 --> 01:13:08,320
Speaker 11: and his pressure is very impressive to me. Stand up,

1723
01:13:08,320 --> 01:13:09,639
Speaker 11: I think is gonna be a watch. I think both

1724
01:13:09,640 --> 01:13:11,840
Speaker 11: guys are still learning a little bit. I think Gordon

1725
01:13:11,840 --> 01:13:13,920
Speaker 11: has a little bit better boxing. I think Grant Dawson

1726
01:13:13,960 --> 01:13:15,559
Speaker 11: pushes this a little bit, but he is a good

1727
01:13:15,600 --> 01:13:18,200
Speaker 11: sized dude and with at and T he's learned this

1728
01:13:18,240 --> 01:13:20,000
Speaker 11: some new tricks. I hopped on his Instagram. I saw

1729
01:13:20,040 --> 01:13:22,080
Speaker 11: him hit knits. You know, you can only tell so

1730
01:13:22,160 --> 01:13:24,519
Speaker 11: much hit knits, but he looks a little bit the

1731
01:13:24,600 --> 01:13:27,920
Speaker 11: same to me and Gordon at Stanford, I think is

1732
01:13:28,040 --> 01:13:30,040
Speaker 11: just constantly getting better. And when you're giving me a

1733
01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:32,160
Speaker 11: plus number on Jared Gordon gonna take it. This is

1734
01:13:32,240 --> 01:13:34,920
Speaker 11: going to be a slimy, slimy decision. This is gonna

1735
01:13:34,920 --> 01:13:37,479
Speaker 11: be very close fight. So this is gonna be a

1736
01:13:37,520 --> 01:13:39,240
Speaker 11: good live betting opportunity if you can lie bet in

1737
01:13:39,280 --> 01:13:41,960
Speaker 11: your state, depending how the momentum shifts. But I see

1738
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:44,400
Speaker 11: Gordon maybe losing the first round and then taking over

1739
01:13:44,479 --> 01:13:46,320
Speaker 11: that third and it's gonna come down to that second

1740
01:13:46,400 --> 01:13:47,320
Speaker 11: round or how it scores.

1741
01:13:47,400 --> 01:13:49,960
Speaker 8: But I like Gordon my decision, and I'm looking forward

1742
01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:52,000
Speaker 8: to sitting down with Grant Dawson and asking him just

1743
01:13:52,080 --> 01:13:55,320
Speaker 8: about all the information and how much of that can

1744
01:13:55,400 --> 01:13:57,920
Speaker 8: be overload, you know, as he gets ready for this fight.

1745
01:13:58,000 --> 01:14:00,320
Speaker 8: But I do believe that Grant Dawson is going to

1746
01:14:00,360 --> 01:14:02,839
Speaker 8: be heard from in the future. But uh yeah, interesting

1747
01:14:02,920 --> 01:14:05,360
Speaker 8: number on Jared Gordon. To be sure, all right, Comine Event,

1748
01:14:05,680 --> 01:14:08,960
Speaker 8: we got Ray Longo on hold fellas andre Alovsky five.

1749
01:14:09,000 --> 01:14:10,240
Speaker 8: How piss is he gonna be? By the way in

1750
01:14:10,240 --> 01:14:13,880
Speaker 8: about five minutes? Comine Event Andrea Alovsky minus won thirty five.

1751
01:14:13,960 --> 01:14:16,160
Speaker 8: You can see Ray, I'm talking super quickly. Jake Collier

1752
01:14:16,160 --> 01:14:20,559
Speaker 8: plus one fifteen. Uh, how about andre Arlovsky? Bride right,

1753
01:14:21,040 --> 01:14:22,400
Speaker 8: got to put him in the Hall of Fame. He's

1754
01:14:22,439 --> 01:14:25,000
Speaker 8: forty three years old and he's winning right, going for

1755
01:14:25,080 --> 01:14:28,960
Speaker 8: a fourth straight win in UFC appearance number thirty eight.

1756
01:14:29,840 --> 01:14:31,400
Speaker 1: I mean he's a man.

1757
01:14:31,640 --> 01:14:34,080
Speaker 11: I mean, this fucking guy with the chest hair, with

1758
01:14:34,280 --> 01:14:37,240
Speaker 11: the beard, he's a man. I am shocked at him

1759
01:14:37,240 --> 01:14:39,240
Speaker 11: and I are the same gender. I can't grow face. Sure,

1760
01:14:39,360 --> 01:14:40,519
Speaker 11: this guy and I are both men.

1761
01:14:41,080 --> 01:14:43,479
Speaker 9: He is much more man than me. He's forty three

1762
01:14:43,920 --> 01:14:44,800
Speaker 9: and he's getting better.

1763
01:14:44,840 --> 01:14:47,040
Speaker 11: He's not slowing down, and he changed his game. Like

1764
01:14:47,120 --> 01:14:48,560
Speaker 11: a lot of people, a lot of guys like me.

1765
01:14:48,600 --> 01:14:49,920
Speaker 11: When I look at a guy who's like thirty eight,

1766
01:14:50,000 --> 01:14:51,560
Speaker 11: I go, now, you know, he's the same fire he

1767
01:14:51,720 --> 01:14:54,519
Speaker 11: was four years ago now Orlowsky, he switched up instead

1768
01:14:54,520 --> 01:14:56,439
Speaker 11: of putting his chin on the line in brawling, moves

1769
01:14:56,479 --> 01:14:59,920
Speaker 11: his feet in and out, you know, controls everything out

1770
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:01,600
Speaker 11: his own pace. The only time he's lost in the

1771
01:15:01,640 --> 01:15:04,000
Speaker 11: past couple of years is Tommy Aspa, always a fucking stud.

1772
01:15:04,400 --> 01:15:06,160
Speaker 11: Then he got Collier, who's initially got to me in

1773
01:15:06,200 --> 01:15:07,880
Speaker 11: the sense that he's not a heavyweight, right. He took

1774
01:15:07,880 --> 01:15:10,120
Speaker 11: three years off, comes in a heavyweight, doesn't really look

1775
01:15:10,160 --> 01:15:13,000
Speaker 11: all that great, looked frighting against Asparal looked like he

1776
01:15:13,040 --> 01:15:14,640
Speaker 11: was stepping in the hot house, got sent home in

1777
01:15:14,720 --> 01:15:17,040
Speaker 11: forty five seconds. Right, then he gets it kind of

1778
01:15:17,080 --> 01:15:20,200
Speaker 11: a layup with a heavyweight John Valante shows a little

1779
01:15:20,200 --> 01:15:22,880
Speaker 11: bit of a cardio kind of right, and then got

1780
01:15:23,000 --> 01:15:25,280
Speaker 11: then he split decision of a no more Colors Felipe

1781
01:15:25,640 --> 01:15:27,960
Speaker 11: and then the complete mauling over Chase Sherman, who just

1782
01:15:27,960 --> 01:15:30,480
Speaker 11: didn't even show up that fight. Yeah, so I'm perplexed

1783
01:15:30,520 --> 01:15:32,920
Speaker 11: on this guy. Right, He's a decent grappler, his stand

1784
01:15:32,960 --> 01:15:34,760
Speaker 11: up's coming a long way. But you know, there's a

1785
01:15:34,760 --> 01:15:36,360
Speaker 11: lot of questions I have on Collier, but I don't

1786
01:15:36,400 --> 01:15:37,400
Speaker 11: need any of those answers.

1787
01:15:37,760 --> 01:15:39,400
Speaker 9: I like Arloski big here.

1788
01:15:39,760 --> 01:15:42,200
Speaker 11: I think in controller distance, put together three on display,

1789
01:15:42,520 --> 01:15:44,559
Speaker 11: and he doesn't have a finish knockout win since twenty

1790
01:15:44,640 --> 01:15:47,360
Speaker 11: fifteen over Travis Brown, So I might want to sprinkle

1791
01:15:47,439 --> 01:15:50,000
Speaker 11: sprinkle a little ko there because I think Jay Kohler

1792
01:15:50,120 --> 01:15:53,000
Speaker 11: Can is susceptable getting hit a little bit. Arlossi still

1793
01:15:53,040 --> 01:15:56,040
Speaker 11: has power even though he's fighting more measured pace here.

1794
01:15:56,120 --> 01:15:58,600
Speaker 11: But I like Arlosky by decisions the official pick. But

1795
01:15:58,720 --> 01:16:01,200
Speaker 11: I will be sprinkling that koe and wouldn't.

1796
01:16:00,880 --> 01:16:02,960
Speaker 8: That be something if Arlovsky got his first finish in

1797
01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:04,560
Speaker 8: about seven years. Kem Flow, what do you have for

1798
01:16:04,680 --> 01:16:05,360
Speaker 8: us on the comain?

1799
01:16:05,640 --> 01:16:08,240
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm gonna keep it quick. A great breakdown by Petrie.

1800
01:16:08,439 --> 01:16:10,720
Speaker 6: I'm going with Arlovsky here. I think he gets it

1801
01:16:10,760 --> 01:16:11,200
Speaker 6: done as well.

1802
01:16:11,720 --> 01:16:14,439
Speaker 8: All right, main event and it will be the first

1803
01:16:14,479 --> 01:16:18,320
Speaker 8: headlining spot in the UFC for Ecuador's Marlon Chito Vera.

1804
01:16:18,439 --> 01:16:20,960
Speaker 8: He is the plus one ten underdog against Rob Font,

1805
01:16:21,400 --> 01:16:23,920
Speaker 8: the minus one thirty favorite. Third straight main event for

1806
01:16:23,960 --> 01:16:26,960
Speaker 8: the Central Massachusetts kid. Rob Font went five rounds with

1807
01:16:27,000 --> 01:16:29,720
Speaker 8: the former champs Cody Garbrand and Joseida last year, and

1808
01:16:29,840 --> 01:16:31,639
Speaker 8: now he puts his number five ranking on the line

1809
01:16:31,640 --> 01:16:34,880
Speaker 8: against eighth ranked Chito Vera. Huge fight at one hundred

1810
01:16:34,880 --> 01:16:36,639
Speaker 8: and thirty five pounds, Ken Flow lead as soft kid,

1811
01:16:36,680 --> 01:16:39,960
Speaker 8: you're going Marlon Vera or you're going with the new

1812
01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:41,000
Speaker 8: englander Rob Font.

1813
01:16:41,360 --> 01:16:46,040
Speaker 6: Dude, tremendous fight here, fight, huh man. I've been going

1814
01:16:46,120 --> 01:16:49,479
Speaker 6: back and forth on this one big time. I think

1815
01:16:49,600 --> 01:16:53,040
Speaker 6: Font is a tremendous talent. The improvements that he's made,

1816
01:16:53,760 --> 01:16:58,400
Speaker 6: you know, significant, same for Marlon Vera. And you know

1817
01:16:58,479 --> 01:17:00,599
Speaker 6: when I see both those guys, I know they're gonna

1818
01:17:00,600 --> 01:17:04,760
Speaker 6: be strong for five rounds. For me, I like the

1819
01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:10,920
Speaker 6: fact that, you know, Marlon has shown big improvements, He's

1820
01:17:10,960 --> 01:17:13,840
Speaker 6: shown heart, he finds a way to win no matter

1821
01:17:13,960 --> 01:17:17,320
Speaker 6: what he believes in himself. I think five rounds kind

1822
01:17:17,360 --> 01:17:20,200
Speaker 6: of favor him a little bit. And honestly, it's like,

1823
01:17:20,600 --> 01:17:22,880
Speaker 6: where do I see the value? Well, whoever the underdog is,

1824
01:17:22,960 --> 01:17:25,799
Speaker 6: And right now it seems like Marlon Vera is the underdog.

1825
01:17:26,240 --> 01:17:29,439
Speaker 1: I like him here. I think he's tremendous in the clinch.

1826
01:17:29,479 --> 01:17:30,880
Speaker 6: I like the fact that he's probably gonna be a

1827
01:17:30,920 --> 01:17:36,080
Speaker 6: little tall, little rangier, absolutely nasty with those knee elbow combinations,

1828
01:17:37,040 --> 01:17:39,559
Speaker 6: you know, great calf kicks from the outside as well.

1829
01:17:40,240 --> 01:17:43,800
Speaker 6: Where he gets, you know, a little bit vulnerable, I

1830
01:17:43,840 --> 01:17:46,000
Speaker 6: think is on the feet in the boxing exchanges. I

1831
01:17:46,040 --> 01:17:48,320
Speaker 6: think that's where Rob font can can expose him a

1832
01:17:48,439 --> 01:17:52,360
Speaker 6: little bit. But Cheeto has a chint for days, and

1833
01:17:52,479 --> 01:17:54,720
Speaker 6: I think he knows how to make the proper adjustments

1834
01:17:55,120 --> 01:17:56,479
Speaker 6: in fight in real time.

1835
01:17:56,960 --> 01:17:59,679
Speaker 1: So I like Cheeto here. I'm gonna go with Cheeto.

1836
01:18:00,240 --> 01:18:04,760
Speaker 8: Fascinating breakdown. I thought Rob fought really admirably against Josel,

1837
01:18:04,840 --> 01:18:08,040
Speaker 8: though I do think over twenty five minutes though Cheeto

1838
01:18:08,200 --> 01:18:10,840
Speaker 8: right has a lot of different weapons and a lot

1839
01:18:10,920 --> 01:18:13,679
Speaker 8: of damaging strikes and didn't get off to a great

1840
01:18:13,720 --> 01:18:15,760
Speaker 8: start against Franky Edgar. You know how he finished that

1841
01:18:15,840 --> 01:18:18,519
Speaker 8: fight obviously, Brian close main event. I can't wait to

1842
01:18:18,600 --> 01:18:21,960
Speaker 8: get to Vegas to call it. Marlon Vera, Rob font

1843
01:18:22,720 --> 01:18:23,639
Speaker 8: Cincinnati's finest.

1844
01:18:23,680 --> 01:18:24,080
Speaker 1: Who do you like?

1845
01:18:24,280 --> 01:18:26,519
Speaker 11: Jeezy Kenny's just he's sharp.

1846
01:18:26,720 --> 01:18:30,320
Speaker 9: Guy's a fucking sharp. This is such a good main event.

1847
01:18:30,360 --> 01:18:30,680
Speaker 3: I love it.

1848
01:18:30,760 --> 01:18:33,120
Speaker 11: I mean, listen, Chino Vera's made for five rounds. I mean,

1849
01:18:33,160 --> 01:18:35,200
Speaker 11: this guy's just been jonesing for a five round fight.

1850
01:18:35,520 --> 01:18:37,880
Speaker 11: He only gets stronger. Like if the Outlow fight was

1851
01:18:37,920 --> 01:18:40,240
Speaker 11: five rounds, what would have happened. That's a big question

1852
01:18:40,360 --> 01:18:42,840
Speaker 11: because that was very close. Outo backpacked him a little bit,

1853
01:18:43,280 --> 01:18:46,240
Speaker 11: but got the five round treatment against Cody Garbrant looked

1854
01:18:46,320 --> 01:18:47,880
Speaker 11: very good, got wrestled a little bit in that fight,

1855
01:18:48,320 --> 01:18:50,160
Speaker 11: touched Cody a little bit, but didn't put him away,

1856
01:18:50,400 --> 01:18:52,360
Speaker 11: which is guys have been able to do that, so

1857
01:18:52,760 --> 01:18:55,000
Speaker 11: maybe through a pause. I mean, Rob Fon is great boxing,

1858
01:18:55,040 --> 01:18:57,200
Speaker 11: but does he have great power? That's something on the

1859
01:18:57,320 --> 01:18:59,560
Speaker 11: upper levels we're gonna find out. But he does have

1860
01:18:59,640 --> 01:19:02,280
Speaker 11: great He's durable, he's tough, he's pretty big for the

1861
01:19:02,320 --> 01:19:05,320
Speaker 11: weight class as well. But man, Cheetos just mean man.

1862
01:19:05,400 --> 01:19:06,000
Speaker 1: I love Cheto.

1863
01:19:06,040 --> 01:19:08,120
Speaker 11: He talking shit to Frank Yegger's like the nicest guy

1864
01:19:08,160 --> 01:19:10,560
Speaker 11: in the world, and that fight front kicks him and

1865
01:19:10,640 --> 01:19:13,160
Speaker 11: still talking shit like. I love that edge on Cheeto

1866
01:19:13,240 --> 01:19:15,800
Speaker 11: And I've been wanting to see that five round fight.

1867
01:19:16,280 --> 01:19:18,000
Speaker 11: But listening it's a close fight. I'm gonna go the

1868
01:19:18,000 --> 01:19:20,080
Speaker 11: opposite of Kenny. Gon go Rob Fond. I have family

1869
01:19:20,160 --> 01:19:24,080
Speaker 11: in Newton, mass Let's go mass Yeah, let's go Massachusetts.

1870
01:19:24,160 --> 01:19:25,599
Speaker 4: Baby, give me Rob fond.

1871
01:19:25,640 --> 01:19:26,200
Speaker 9: I don't love it.

1872
01:19:26,560 --> 01:19:27,439
Speaker 1: I do like Cheetoh.

1873
01:19:27,479 --> 01:19:29,519
Speaker 11: I think the people who tail us a lot maybe

1874
01:19:29,600 --> 01:19:31,360
Speaker 11: want to go with Kenny on this one, but it

1875
01:19:31,479 --> 01:19:33,000
Speaker 11: is a coin flip for me, and I think this

1876
01:19:33,120 --> 01:19:35,120
Speaker 11: is gonna be a banger of amendment all right.

1877
01:19:35,120 --> 01:19:37,879
Speaker 8: If you want more from Brian Petrie at MMA Takes podcast,

1878
01:19:38,080 --> 01:19:40,960
Speaker 8: enjoy the new bedframe Newton, mass By the way, I

1879
01:19:41,040 --> 01:19:42,360
Speaker 8: did live there for about a year.

1880
01:19:42,520 --> 01:19:42,800
Speaker 1: Let's go.

1881
01:19:43,000 --> 01:19:46,040
Speaker 8: Family probably make some money there living in Newton, not

1882
01:19:46,200 --> 01:19:49,200
Speaker 8: far from there in Dova, Massachusetts. But hey man, great

1883
01:19:49,280 --> 01:19:52,760
Speaker 8: to see you. Appreciate your time and wish you the

1884
01:19:52,800 --> 01:19:53,680
Speaker 8: best on the board, my man.

1885
01:19:53,880 --> 01:19:54,760
Speaker 9: Yeah, you guys are the best.

1886
01:19:54,760 --> 01:19:56,799
Speaker 8: I'll see him all right there. He is Brian Petrie

1887
01:19:56,920 --> 01:19:59,000
Speaker 8: from the MMA Takes podcast with us every week now

1888
01:19:59,080 --> 01:20:01,840
Speaker 8: on the Anakin Florian Part podcast. James Crafts will still

1889
01:20:01,880 --> 01:20:04,559
Speaker 8: be heard from just Relax out there. But we really

1890
01:20:04,600 --> 01:20:06,840
Speaker 8: appreciate everything that Brian Petrie has brought to the show

1891
01:20:07,120 --> 01:20:10,360
Speaker 8: almost as much as we appreciate what Ray Longo continues

1892
01:20:10,439 --> 01:20:12,200
Speaker 8: to bring to the Anakinform podcast.

1893
01:20:13,240 --> 01:20:15,560
Speaker 5: It is now time for a Ray Longo Minute, and

1894
01:20:15,640 --> 01:20:20,280
Speaker 5: I'm gonna punch a hole in the Ray long Minute

1895
01:20:22,600 --> 01:20:25,480
Speaker 5: the John and Kenny Florian Podcast.

1896
01:20:26,439 --> 01:20:32,360
Speaker 1: Hi, Ray, holy sh there's the biggest fan of our podcast.

1897
01:20:32,680 --> 01:20:34,639
Speaker 3: Let me, I mean, let me tell you something.

1898
01:20:34,880 --> 01:20:35,439
Speaker 1: That kid is.

1899
01:20:35,560 --> 01:20:38,320
Speaker 3: That kid is off the hook man. You know, he

1900
01:20:38,560 --> 01:20:41,760
Speaker 3: is fucking he's good. That guy is really good.

1901
01:20:42,200 --> 01:20:45,160
Speaker 8: Honestly, he's gonna somebody's gonna pick him up. I mean,

1902
01:20:45,320 --> 01:20:48,000
Speaker 8: if you guys full time right now, if you guys.

1903
01:20:47,880 --> 01:20:51,000
Speaker 3: Were responsible adults, you'd cut that kid free and let

1904
01:20:51,080 --> 01:20:54,240
Speaker 3: him go. If you guys were responsible and you want

1905
01:20:54,360 --> 01:20:57,280
Speaker 3: to help somebody out, that kid should be cut loose

1906
01:20:57,320 --> 01:21:00,479
Speaker 3: because he's that kid is fun, he's good, good man.

1907
01:21:00,800 --> 01:21:03,479
Speaker 1: You're not you're not free from us, and neither is Petrick.

1908
01:21:04,680 --> 01:21:07,240
Speaker 8: I tend him a check. It wasn't as fat as yours.

1909
01:21:07,320 --> 01:21:10,360
Speaker 8: But so I can't even like apologize for being late

1910
01:21:10,439 --> 01:21:13,040
Speaker 8: to you because you'll maybe think it's so. But I

1911
01:21:13,080 --> 01:21:16,000
Speaker 8: do apologize for keeping I guess we're even now. It's

1912
01:21:16,120 --> 01:21:17,360
Speaker 8: a fucking dog man.

1913
01:21:18,200 --> 01:21:22,360
Speaker 3: How the hell can you hear it out? We locked herround?

1914
01:21:24,080 --> 01:21:28,120
Speaker 8: So how are you doing other than overdue for a haircut?

1915
01:21:28,720 --> 01:21:33,080
Speaker 3: Then? Oh, my hair's grow, it's going down Thursday, I

1916
01:21:33,200 --> 01:21:36,439
Speaker 3: just saw my Uh, I just saw Lorymbraccia, the girl

1917
01:21:36,479 --> 01:21:38,640
Speaker 3: that cuts my hair in the gym. Holy crap. It

1918
01:21:38,760 --> 01:21:41,320
Speaker 3: was like three or four weeks ago. This ship just

1919
01:21:41,400 --> 01:21:44,920
Speaker 3: doesn't stop, which is a good which which is I'm

1920
01:21:44,920 --> 01:21:48,360
Speaker 3: not complaining. I'm just saying. May she when I walked

1921
01:21:48,400 --> 01:21:50,720
Speaker 3: in the gym, it was brutal. She goes, what what'd

1922
01:21:50,760 --> 01:21:51,479
Speaker 3: you do to your hair?

1923
01:21:51,640 --> 01:21:54,000
Speaker 8: I don't know whatever, But no, I mean I had

1924
01:21:54,040 --> 01:21:56,200
Speaker 8: to draw attention to it. But it speaks to your

1925
01:21:56,280 --> 01:21:59,360
Speaker 8: health and just your overall my vitality.

1926
01:21:59,520 --> 01:22:00,160
Speaker 3: Yes, thank you.

1927
01:22:00,640 --> 01:22:02,920
Speaker 8: So my son will be four in June, can flow?

1928
01:22:02,960 --> 01:22:03,639
Speaker 3: I know? Happy?

1929
01:22:04,680 --> 01:22:07,960
Speaker 8: Well, thank you, But I bring him up because he

1930
01:22:08,080 --> 01:22:10,320
Speaker 8: has never been to the barber, right, So we cut

1931
01:22:10,400 --> 01:22:11,360
Speaker 8: his hair in the bathtub.

1932
01:22:11,479 --> 01:22:11,599
Speaker 1: Right.

1933
01:22:11,800 --> 01:22:13,599
Speaker 8: So today he goes to school looking like a fucking

1934
01:22:13,680 --> 01:22:15,960
Speaker 8: cheetah because he's got bald spots all over his eye.

1935
01:22:16,400 --> 01:22:18,519
Speaker 8: And it's like, hey man, you know, I don't even

1936
01:22:18,600 --> 01:22:21,400
Speaker 8: want to know what his preschool teachers think of me

1937
01:22:22,160 --> 01:22:25,439
Speaker 8: sending him to school like this. But he won't sit still,

1938
01:22:25,600 --> 01:22:27,840
Speaker 8: and he won't you know, I shaved his head once.

1939
01:22:27,920 --> 01:22:30,760
Speaker 8: Didn't like the you know, won't go to the barbershop.

1940
01:22:30,840 --> 01:22:35,040
Speaker 8: So we got to do what we gotta do. So

1941
01:22:35,680 --> 01:22:39,880
Speaker 8: I went to an auction ray on Saturday night and

1942
01:22:40,040 --> 01:22:41,400
Speaker 8: it was the first time I had like an auction

1943
01:22:41,600 --> 01:22:43,240
Speaker 8: paddle in my hand. Have you ever been to an

1944
01:22:43,240 --> 01:22:44,880
Speaker 8: auction before? You got to have been to an auction?

1945
01:22:45,600 --> 01:22:45,760
Speaker 1: Never?

1946
01:22:46,240 --> 01:22:48,360
Speaker 3: No, but I've seen it. But I've seen him on TV.

1947
01:22:48,560 --> 01:22:50,360
Speaker 3: I get what you're talking about.

1948
01:22:52,320 --> 01:22:55,120
Speaker 8: Anyway, So I just have a few other things and

1949
01:22:55,160 --> 01:22:56,760
Speaker 8: then I promise we'll get to the MMA talk. So

1950
01:22:56,880 --> 01:22:59,479
Speaker 8: my daughter Tatum did celebrate her birthday three days ago,

1951
01:22:59,520 --> 01:23:02,240
Speaker 8: and she's like, for my birthday, can you shave your beer?

1952
01:23:03,200 --> 01:23:03,439
Speaker 3: Wow?

1953
01:23:04,040 --> 01:23:05,680
Speaker 8: And it was like, I, of course, if you want

1954
01:23:05,720 --> 01:23:08,439
Speaker 8: me to show anything you want, But my wife doesn't

1955
01:23:08,439 --> 01:23:10,519
Speaker 8: think I look very handsome when I shaved my head

1956
01:23:10,680 --> 01:23:12,639
Speaker 8: like or so when I shaved my face like down

1957
01:23:12,680 --> 01:23:14,960
Speaker 8: to the bull. So I got to go meet all

1958
01:23:15,040 --> 01:23:18,360
Speaker 8: her coworkers at the live auction, you know, the day

1959
01:23:18,439 --> 01:23:20,680
Speaker 8: after Tatum's birthday. So I'm like, what do I do? Like,

1960
01:23:20,720 --> 01:23:22,439
Speaker 8: do I shave my face for my daughter? My wife

1961
01:23:22,479 --> 01:23:24,160
Speaker 8: wants me to look handsome, and she feels like that

1962
01:23:24,200 --> 01:23:25,479
Speaker 8: can't be accomplished without the beer.

1963
01:23:25,920 --> 01:23:26,600
Speaker 1: I didn't know what to do.

1964
01:23:26,960 --> 01:23:28,439
Speaker 8: You know, both of the women in my life wanted

1965
01:23:28,479 --> 01:23:29,320
Speaker 8: different things, right.

1966
01:23:29,320 --> 01:23:31,920
Speaker 3: You know, is this what we're talking about right now? Seriously,

1967
01:23:34,920 --> 01:23:37,160
Speaker 3: come on, Chrisy, tell me he looks good no matter

1968
01:23:37,320 --> 01:23:39,920
Speaker 3: what he's does to his beard or his hair.

1969
01:23:40,560 --> 01:23:42,960
Speaker 8: So how was your weekend? Did you have any local

1970
01:23:43,040 --> 01:23:45,479
Speaker 8: athletes competing before we get to the UFC and the

1971
01:23:45,520 --> 01:23:48,320
Speaker 8: PFL and some of the national telecasts.

1972
01:23:49,800 --> 01:23:53,519
Speaker 3: No, this was a quiet weekend for the gym, at

1973
01:23:53,600 --> 01:23:54,240
Speaker 3: least that way.

1974
01:23:54,479 --> 01:23:56,120
Speaker 8: Yeah, first time in a long time.

1975
01:23:56,280 --> 01:23:58,120
Speaker 3: First time, a lot of sparring, a lot of fights

1976
01:23:58,200 --> 01:24:01,040
Speaker 3: coming up. It's probably about ten guys fighting within the

1977
01:24:01,160 --> 01:24:03,200
Speaker 3: next month, I would say three weeks.

1978
01:24:03,720 --> 01:24:05,720
Speaker 8: All right, Well, we're a little late today because we

1979
01:24:05,800 --> 01:24:08,200
Speaker 8: had a scoring expert on Today, Sean she And who

1980
01:24:08,960 --> 01:24:11,920
Speaker 8: really dives into this stuff, and you might enjoy listening

1981
01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:14,120
Speaker 8: back to some of the thoughts he had on Sterling

1982
01:24:14,160 --> 01:24:18,360
Speaker 8: and Yon because it's the most recent high level championship

1983
01:24:18,400 --> 01:24:20,679
Speaker 8: fight where there were some rounds in question. We spent

1984
01:24:20,720 --> 01:24:21,479
Speaker 8: a lot of time on that.

1985
01:24:22,040 --> 01:24:24,599
Speaker 3: But boy, will keep me in don't keep me in suspense.

1986
01:24:24,640 --> 01:24:28,360
Speaker 1: What you gotta watch the podcast right the business.

1987
01:24:30,120 --> 01:24:33,800
Speaker 8: Even after talking to him, I still I still say

1988
01:24:33,880 --> 01:24:35,920
Speaker 8: ten eight for round two. I hope he doesn't listen

1989
01:24:35,960 --> 01:24:38,040
Speaker 8: to the whole show, but he he sort of outlined

1990
01:24:38,120 --> 01:24:42,120
Speaker 8: why you're not gonna like this ray. But basically, over

1991
01:24:42,160 --> 01:24:44,760
Speaker 8: the last six months, there has been sort of an

1992
01:24:44,760 --> 01:24:47,439
Speaker 8: initiative for change when it comes to ten eight rounds

1993
01:24:47,840 --> 01:24:52,120
Speaker 8: that is not affected in the actual language of the scoring.

1994
01:24:52,280 --> 01:24:55,439
Speaker 8: So when you have this thesis statement about this kangaroo court,

1995
01:24:55,479 --> 01:24:58,639
Speaker 8: I mean that's you know, you've never been more accurate.

1996
01:24:58,680 --> 01:25:01,320
Speaker 8: I mean there's actually conver stations going on that effects

1997
01:25:01,360 --> 01:25:03,680
Speaker 8: scoring change that the masses aren't privy to.

1998
01:25:03,760 --> 01:25:05,800
Speaker 3: I don't even know what I gotta tell you, man.

1999
01:25:05,880 --> 01:25:08,880
Speaker 3: I mean I'm not because I think you know, I

2000
01:25:08,920 --> 01:25:12,280
Speaker 3: think Big John I I thought he was fine with

2001
01:25:12,360 --> 01:25:14,240
Speaker 3: the Aljo thing. I even told that to al Joe,

2002
01:25:14,280 --> 01:25:17,000
Speaker 3: and then he kind of came back and said he'll

2003
01:25:17,160 --> 01:25:19,600
Speaker 3: never watch a fight with his friends again, you know,

2004
01:25:19,800 --> 01:25:22,840
Speaker 3: like because that round was very close. But then he

2005
01:25:22,920 --> 01:25:25,360
Speaker 3: went on to something with the rules of the ten

2006
01:25:25,439 --> 01:25:29,040
Speaker 3: eight but the secretary didn't type them in, and that

2007
01:25:29,600 --> 01:25:31,560
Speaker 3: I gotta go back and listen to that. It was

2008
01:25:32,080 --> 01:25:35,280
Speaker 3: it was so crazy to I don't even know. I

2009
01:25:35,280 --> 01:25:37,280
Speaker 3: don't I'm not I'm not looking to start anything. I'm

2010
01:25:37,320 --> 01:25:39,879
Speaker 3: just saying. But it was definitely said he called the president.

2011
01:25:40,000 --> 01:25:41,360
Speaker 3: He doesn't give us the guys, Nay, I don't know

2012
01:25:41,400 --> 01:25:43,559
Speaker 3: who the hell he's talking about, but the guy told

2013
01:25:43,600 --> 01:25:44,920
Speaker 3: him that the secretary.

2014
01:25:45,040 --> 01:25:48,400
Speaker 8: I think, well, John, if I'm wrong, you're probably not wrong.

2015
01:25:48,520 --> 01:25:50,960
Speaker 3: I got to go back and listen again, but only

2016
01:25:50,960 --> 01:25:53,479
Speaker 3: because you brought this up with the Kangaroo Court. Yeah,

2017
01:25:53,680 --> 01:25:56,600
Speaker 3: but the secretary didn't type in the right rules, Like

2018
01:25:56,720 --> 01:26:00,639
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, God, really is does he say?

2019
01:26:00,680 --> 01:26:00,720
Speaker 1: It?

2020
01:26:00,880 --> 01:26:04,280
Speaker 3: Is this what he's saying like? It is bizarre to me? Bizarre?

2021
01:26:04,720 --> 01:26:07,799
Speaker 3: So well, well, I would think the secretary got fired

2022
01:26:07,880 --> 01:26:11,080
Speaker 3: and the whole nothing zero. I don't think, but I

2023
01:26:11,120 --> 01:26:12,559
Speaker 3: could I could be wrong on that. But I got

2024
01:26:12,680 --> 01:26:14,360
Speaker 3: to go back and listen. But it was something where

2025
01:26:15,120 --> 01:26:17,200
Speaker 3: the door gate my homework. It was, That's what it

2026
01:26:17,320 --> 01:26:18,880
Speaker 3: sounded like to me. You know what happened to you,

2027
01:26:19,280 --> 01:26:22,320
Speaker 3: the door gated. You know, the secretary forgot to type

2028
01:26:22,360 --> 01:26:26,880
Speaker 3: it in. Therefore everybody's right, those really were the rules,

2029
01:26:27,000 --> 01:26:29,640
Speaker 3: and I don't know whatever. You never you never get

2030
01:26:29,720 --> 01:26:32,719
Speaker 3: into the bottom. It is like again, Kenny, like again,

2031
01:26:32,800 --> 01:26:35,439
Speaker 3: the only job in the world. I think you'd have

2032
01:26:35,520 --> 01:26:38,200
Speaker 3: to kill somebody. He's still not going to get reprimanded,

2033
01:26:38,439 --> 01:26:42,880
Speaker 3: fyed nothing, just yea, that's a that's a job for life.

2034
01:26:43,439 --> 01:26:43,640
Speaker 3: You know.

2035
01:26:44,760 --> 01:26:46,920
Speaker 8: I'm so frustrated because as I sit here with the

2036
01:26:46,960 --> 01:26:50,000
Speaker 8: Association of Boxing Commissions and Combative Sports Unified Rules of

2037
01:26:50,040 --> 01:26:52,400
Speaker 8: Mixed Martial Arts, it's missing a fucking page with the

2038
01:26:52,479 --> 01:26:54,280
Speaker 8: ten eight language. I keep going back to it. That's

2039
01:26:54,320 --> 01:26:57,439
Speaker 8: why I'm there. You go the other things I want

2040
01:26:57,479 --> 01:27:00,760
Speaker 8: to get to with the Great Raymond Peter Longo. As

2041
01:27:00,840 --> 01:27:03,519
Speaker 8: distracted as I am by that glorious lettuce up top

2042
01:27:03,560 --> 01:27:05,599
Speaker 8: of not a fucking white head in your hair plus

2043
01:27:05,680 --> 01:27:06,559
Speaker 8: sixty it's amazing.

2044
01:27:07,080 --> 01:27:08,920
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, there's there's there's there's a lot

2045
01:27:08,960 --> 01:27:10,800
Speaker 3: of grays in there, Troy, I trust.

2046
01:27:10,600 --> 01:27:11,720
Speaker 1: Me, you color it?

2047
01:27:12,360 --> 01:27:14,600
Speaker 3: No, well, come get the hell out of you a.

2048
01:27:16,200 --> 01:27:16,479
Speaker 8: Color.

2049
01:27:16,479 --> 01:27:18,040
Speaker 3: I don't even call me you look at what what

2050
01:27:18,120 --> 01:27:19,559
Speaker 3: do you think you're looking at? You think I'm sitting

2051
01:27:19,600 --> 01:27:23,240
Speaker 3: there coloring. I would have taked burn hair. No I do.

2052
01:27:23,479 --> 01:27:25,760
Speaker 3: I do snip him out if I see him though, Yeah,

2053
01:27:26,320 --> 01:27:28,080
Speaker 3: halfway cut him halfway out.

2054
01:27:28,720 --> 01:27:31,040
Speaker 8: So I don't know if you watched the UFC or

2055
01:27:31,120 --> 01:27:33,800
Speaker 8: the PFL or any of the uh mixed martial arts

2056
01:27:33,840 --> 01:27:35,479
Speaker 8: that was out there over the weekend, did any of

2057
01:27:35,560 --> 01:27:37,920
Speaker 8: those performances jump off the screen to you?

2058
01:27:39,000 --> 01:27:39,160
Speaker 3: Uh?

2059
01:27:39,840 --> 01:27:42,160
Speaker 8: And Jess Gondrage.

2060
01:27:41,680 --> 01:27:44,760
Speaker 3: Androge was phenomenal. I I really I thought Lamos was

2061
01:27:44,800 --> 01:27:46,639
Speaker 3: gonna win that fight, believe it or not. I thought

2062
01:27:46,720 --> 01:27:48,839
Speaker 3: she had the power in the hands. I love her boxing.

2063
01:27:49,720 --> 01:27:53,000
Speaker 3: But it just never even got started and she got

2064
01:27:53,280 --> 01:27:55,360
Speaker 3: caught in a little scramble and that was it. Man,

2065
01:27:55,479 --> 01:28:00,200
Speaker 3: it was over. So uh good for Andrage dropping back

2066
01:28:00,240 --> 01:28:02,400
Speaker 3: down to one fifteen. And you know, she's she's a

2067
01:28:02,479 --> 01:28:05,320
Speaker 3: beast either way. I mean, you know, she's just she's

2068
01:28:05,320 --> 01:28:08,160
Speaker 3: a she's a handful. So congratulate.

2069
01:28:08,720 --> 01:28:10,960
Speaker 8: Sort of disappointing the way that chef Chenko fight went

2070
01:28:11,040 --> 01:28:13,599
Speaker 8: for her because it has really been a great run

2071
01:28:13,720 --> 01:28:17,200
Speaker 8: for her otherwise. So Henry Sejudo seems to be back

2072
01:28:17,240 --> 01:28:19,080
Speaker 8: in the mix. That was also on my list for

2073
01:28:19,160 --> 01:28:21,160
Speaker 8: you today. It looks like he met with Sean Shelby

2074
01:28:21,200 --> 01:28:24,080
Speaker 8: and Hunter Campbell. Seems as though al Jamaine Sterling does

2075
01:28:24,160 --> 01:28:27,280
Speaker 8: have an appetite for that fight. Do you know anything

2076
01:28:27,280 --> 01:28:29,760
Speaker 8: about like Dilla Shaw's relative health and how soon like

2077
01:28:30,200 --> 01:28:31,599
Speaker 8: al Jamaine could get back in there.

2078
01:28:32,280 --> 01:28:36,800
Speaker 3: No, I honestly know absolutely nothing except what people is

2079
01:28:36,840 --> 01:28:40,640
Speaker 3: showing me and telling me and I'm reading I did

2080
01:28:40,720 --> 01:28:44,320
Speaker 3: hear about the Sahudo thing. Uh, it looks either he's

2081
01:28:44,320 --> 01:28:47,200
Speaker 3: gonna fight anybody, it doesn't even matter. It really doesn't matter.

2082
01:28:47,320 --> 01:28:49,639
Speaker 3: He's he's the champion, He's going to defend his title,

2083
01:28:49,720 --> 01:28:51,280
Speaker 3: but he's going to take a couple of months off

2084
01:28:51,320 --> 01:28:54,120
Speaker 3: for sure, right that, I know he's not going back

2085
01:28:54,160 --> 01:28:55,800
Speaker 3: in there in two months. I mean, that was a

2086
01:28:55,880 --> 01:28:58,080
Speaker 3: long year for him, and I think I think he

2087
01:28:58,200 --> 01:28:59,479
Speaker 3: deserves a couple of months off.

2088
01:28:59,640 --> 01:29:02,400
Speaker 8: No, there's no doubt. And I think whether it's Tehudo

2089
01:29:02,640 --> 01:29:05,960
Speaker 8: or Dila Shaw or maybe Jose Aldo has an outside

2090
01:29:06,040 --> 01:29:07,720
Speaker 8: chance there, although I would still like to see them

2091
01:29:07,760 --> 01:29:09,880
Speaker 8: do Jose Aldo and Dominic Cruz, but it's not gonna

2092
01:29:09,880 --> 01:29:13,360
Speaker 8: be Pieldrijan despite what some people are hopeful for.

2093
01:29:14,720 --> 01:29:17,800
Speaker 3: I mean, the question is who's Morob fighting too, because

2094
01:29:17,840 --> 01:29:22,599
Speaker 3: they PE's no tell you nobody even mentions his name.

2095
01:29:22,720 --> 01:29:26,280
Speaker 3: I think Dominic Cruz was a possibility for that, That's

2096
01:29:26,360 --> 01:29:28,280
Speaker 3: what I heard, because everybody else was booked.

2097
01:29:29,120 --> 01:29:32,000
Speaker 8: I'm gonna see dom this weekend, so I'll be able

2098
01:29:32,040 --> 01:29:33,560
Speaker 8: to maybe pick his brand a little bit or not,

2099
01:29:33,800 --> 01:29:36,040
Speaker 8: just depending on which cruise he shows up. You know,

2100
01:29:36,160 --> 01:29:37,080
Speaker 8: he might give me nothing.

2101
01:29:37,920 --> 01:29:39,200
Speaker 3: No, you know what you do when you when you

2102
01:29:39,479 --> 01:29:41,519
Speaker 3: just if you really put him in a good spot,

2103
01:29:41,640 --> 01:29:43,800
Speaker 3: just ask him how Keith Peterson is doing when you

2104
01:29:43,880 --> 01:29:46,840
Speaker 3: see it, and then and proceed from there.

2105
01:29:47,640 --> 01:29:49,679
Speaker 8: It was funny. I was running with my twin brother

2106
01:29:49,800 --> 01:29:52,320
Speaker 8: in Jacksonville a couple of weeks ago. We saw Keith Peterson.

2107
01:29:52,400 --> 01:29:55,480
Speaker 8: He's like, I should tell Dommy he does smell like cigarettes,

2108
01:29:55,520 --> 01:29:56,200
Speaker 8: but he doesn't sell it.

2109
01:29:57,800 --> 01:29:58,799
Speaker 1: Don't like alcohol.

2110
01:30:00,040 --> 01:30:01,680
Speaker 8: Yeah, but yeah, no, I mean I think Cruise and

2111
01:30:01,760 --> 01:30:04,200
Speaker 8: Morob rankings wise makes a whole lot of sense. And

2112
01:30:04,320 --> 01:30:07,200
Speaker 8: that would you know, Dom wants to fight somebody ranked

2113
01:30:07,240 --> 01:30:10,040
Speaker 8: above him, and Mirob would qualify, so you know, I

2114
01:30:10,120 --> 01:30:13,120
Speaker 8: think for dom it's like he wants three rounds. And

2115
01:30:13,320 --> 01:30:15,479
Speaker 8: I'm not necessarily trying to put words in his mouth,

2116
01:30:15,520 --> 01:30:17,600
Speaker 8: but I think three rounds co main event on a

2117
01:30:17,640 --> 01:30:20,360
Speaker 8: pay per view or even a featured prelim makes more

2118
01:30:20,439 --> 01:30:22,719
Speaker 8: sense than a five round main event against Marob.

2119
01:30:22,800 --> 01:30:28,640
Speaker 3: You know, let's go five guy. I think deserves a

2120
01:30:28,680 --> 01:30:29,400
Speaker 3: five round fight.

2121
01:30:29,640 --> 01:30:32,519
Speaker 8: I agree, but Team Cruz don't need no five round

2122
01:30:32,560 --> 01:30:34,720
Speaker 8: fight against Marob Dwalash will take a three round fight

2123
01:30:34,800 --> 01:30:36,960
Speaker 8: on pay per view. I mean, Dominic doesn't need the

2124
01:30:37,560 --> 01:30:39,519
Speaker 8: main event. Shine at the stage of his career is

2125
01:30:39,560 --> 01:30:41,160
Speaker 8: the consensus greatest man of all time.

2126
01:30:41,200 --> 01:30:43,200
Speaker 3: You know they will just maybe we'll do like a

2127
01:30:43,240 --> 01:30:45,240
Speaker 3: tough man thing. We'll just make it a one round fight.

2128
01:30:46,840 --> 01:30:50,080
Speaker 8: That oh, I love that first that I don't kenny

2129
01:30:50,120 --> 01:30:53,559
Speaker 8: that ten minute pride that round right.

2130
01:30:54,160 --> 01:30:57,599
Speaker 3: Oh. By one of the fights, I thought Raphael's thoughts

2131
01:30:57,680 --> 01:30:58,479
Speaker 3: look really good.

2132
01:30:59,000 --> 01:31:00,840
Speaker 8: I did not see that, but I'm happy for him

2133
01:31:00,840 --> 01:31:02,200
Speaker 8: because he's been at this a long time.

2134
01:31:02,479 --> 01:31:04,760
Speaker 3: And the other kid, Patchy Mixed looked good. I saw

2135
01:31:05,160 --> 01:31:09,120
Speaker 3: those fights and the p f L man who just

2136
01:31:09,200 --> 01:31:11,040
Speaker 3: give me refresh me. They had some good fights.

2137
01:31:11,080 --> 01:31:14,040
Speaker 1: To tell you, College like college Jeremy.

2138
01:31:14,520 --> 01:31:17,240
Speaker 3: Ah, there you go. I mean this guy, that's a

2139
01:31:17,400 --> 01:31:20,120
Speaker 3: that's a great fight. That's thank you Kenny for that.

2140
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Speaker 3: While today right college, he could fight, man, he could

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01:31:26,920 --> 01:31:30,559
Speaker 3: bound and he could take a punch. Holy ship crazy.

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01:31:30,920 --> 01:31:33,840
Speaker 3: He is crazy, that guy. But I I love watching

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01:31:33,920 --> 01:31:37,040
Speaker 3: him fight. I thought Stevens was gonna win that fight too,

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01:31:37,680 --> 01:31:40,960
Speaker 3: you know what I mean before he was Yeah.

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01:31:40,800 --> 01:31:42,599
Speaker 6: You know, because that's the thing, you know with Jeremy,

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01:31:42,640 --> 01:31:44,640
Speaker 6: He's been around for so long and you never know

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01:31:44,760 --> 01:31:45,879
Speaker 6: he's going to a new organization.

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Speaker 1: Is this you know, is he doing it for a paycheck?

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01:31:48,000 --> 01:31:48,960
Speaker 1: Does he really want to fight?

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01:31:49,520 --> 01:31:50,120
Speaker 3: He really?

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01:31:52,680 --> 01:31:52,960
Speaker 1: Yeah?

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01:31:53,160 --> 01:31:56,439
Speaker 3: That was that was no paycheck fight. They for it man,

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01:31:56,479 --> 01:31:58,200
Speaker 3: that's I'm thank you for bringing that up. I thought

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01:31:58,280 --> 01:32:00,960
Speaker 3: that fight was probably the best fight over the weekend.

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01:32:01,040 --> 01:32:03,200
Speaker 8: For sure, you would have lost some money. It sounds

2156
01:32:03,240 --> 01:32:03,839
Speaker 8: like this weekend.

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01:32:04,000 --> 01:32:06,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, I gotta I gotta start calling this guy Petrie.

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01:32:07,320 --> 01:32:11,599
Speaker 8: I'm telling you right, but I think he just oh

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01:32:11,680 --> 01:32:13,160
Speaker 8: he's the best. I sat off the top of the

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01:32:13,200 --> 01:32:17,200
Speaker 8: show that, like Clay Collard, has become appointment viewing for me.

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01:32:17,240 --> 01:32:18,800
Speaker 8: There are a few fighters outside of the UFC that

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01:32:18,800 --> 01:32:20,400
Speaker 8: I will go out of my way to watch. And

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01:32:20,760 --> 01:32:23,000
Speaker 8: you know, some people wonder why I'm not watching every

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01:32:23,080 --> 01:32:25,240
Speaker 8: single MMA show, and I guess it's because I have

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01:32:25,360 --> 01:32:29,400
Speaker 8: three kids and see events to call. But Clay Collared,

2166
01:32:29,479 --> 01:32:32,120
Speaker 8: Kayla Harrison like appointment viewing for me to be sure,

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01:32:32,200 --> 01:32:34,599
Speaker 8: as well as some other fighters for one and other promotions.

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Speaker 8: So good stuff, all right, before we let you go,

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01:32:37,000 --> 01:32:40,080
Speaker 8: Steve Lee pro debut? Like, when is this happening? Can

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01:32:40,160 --> 01:32:43,080
Speaker 8: I attend? I'll pay for my own ticket if need be.

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01:32:43,160 --> 01:32:44,639
Speaker 8: I want to be there for pro debut?

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01:32:44,880 --> 01:32:48,519
Speaker 3: Really, Steve May Atlantic City?

2173
01:32:49,240 --> 01:32:49,719
Speaker 8: Is it really?

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01:32:50,520 --> 01:32:53,160
Speaker 3: It's like a forty plane ride for you.

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01:32:53,680 --> 01:32:56,720
Speaker 8: I will be in Las Vegas, so unfortunately I will

2176
01:32:56,760 --> 01:32:57,240
Speaker 8: only be there.

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Speaker 3: So see, I think you knew that before you even

2178
01:33:00,040 --> 01:33:03,120
Speaker 3: asked the question. I think you had this whole planned out.

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01:33:03,200 --> 01:33:06,439
Speaker 3: So now, No, I'd love to get yet one of

2180
01:33:06,479 --> 01:33:08,400
Speaker 3: those ring of combats. Come on, you'll be a big

2181
01:33:08,560 --> 01:33:11,400
Speaker 3: big shot there, get treated like royalty.

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Speaker 8: I would love to.

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Speaker 3: You know, d No, No, I was just thinking of,

2184
01:33:17,840 --> 01:33:20,360
Speaker 3: do you guys remember Max Kellerman when he was first

2185
01:33:20,439 --> 01:33:22,800
Speaker 3: coming up and boxing. It was you guys might not

2186
01:33:22,920 --> 01:33:25,160
Speaker 3: even have been born, man. I think I'm going to

2187
01:33:25,200 --> 01:33:27,880
Speaker 3: say he was around in the eighties. But this is

2188
01:33:27,920 --> 01:33:30,680
Speaker 3: who this kid reminds me of. Kellerman was a juggernaut

2189
01:33:30,760 --> 01:33:33,840
Speaker 3: at the beginning with his boxing, the analysis and he

2190
01:33:33,920 --> 01:33:37,599
Speaker 3: came out of nowhere. Reminds me of this guy. They

2191
01:33:37,680 --> 01:33:42,599
Speaker 3: got that infectious vibe of just it's so fluid when

2192
01:33:42,600 --> 01:33:45,000
Speaker 3: he's talking, like I don't know how how much he's

2193
01:33:45,000 --> 01:33:47,360
Speaker 3: planning for this, but it seems like he's just off

2194
01:33:47,439 --> 01:33:50,240
Speaker 3: the top of his head. Is like his impromptu speaking

2195
01:33:50,400 --> 01:33:53,200
Speaker 3: is is off the charts. Man. No, his kid's good. Man.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I thought you were talking about Max Kellerman doing it.

2197
01:33:56,800 --> 01:33:58,880
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, no no. But back in the

2198
01:33:59,560 --> 01:34:01,920
Speaker 3: now Kellman, back in the day was he had that

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01:34:02,200 --> 01:34:04,800
Speaker 3: same type of energy. Man, And I was like, who

2200
01:34:04,920 --> 01:34:06,880
Speaker 3: is this guy? Like where did he come from? And

2201
01:34:07,240 --> 01:34:10,080
Speaker 3: but he he nailed it. He was he He ended

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01:34:10,160 --> 01:34:12,320
Speaker 3: up going on and obviously doing big things.

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01:34:12,160 --> 01:34:17,200
Speaker 8: So speaking and nailed it. He fucking nailed it today

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01:34:17,360 --> 01:34:17,880
Speaker 8: as usual.

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01:34:18,360 --> 01:34:21,120
Speaker 3: And what I do today, well, I'll come wait, why

2206
01:34:21,240 --> 01:34:22,320
Speaker 3: why is it today? Though?

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01:34:22,920 --> 01:34:29,320
Speaker 8: So Kemplough had a a specialized training obligation yesterday in

2208
01:34:29,400 --> 01:34:34,519
Speaker 8: South Carolina if you really specialized guns and cam because

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01:34:34,600 --> 01:34:36,080
Speaker 8: my wife was like, you need to go do that.

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01:34:36,400 --> 01:34:38,280
Speaker 3: You know, because I don't want to say, you know,

2211
01:34:38,439 --> 01:34:41,439
Speaker 3: like the ABC is a kangaroo court and then we

2212
01:34:41,640 --> 01:34:43,760
Speaker 3: just jumping all over the place where on dates. You know,

2213
01:34:43,800 --> 01:34:46,200
Speaker 3: I want to hold to like, uh so people have

2214
01:34:46,360 --> 01:34:48,800
Speaker 3: faith in this many you know, many tweets I got

2215
01:34:48,840 --> 01:34:50,720
Speaker 3: this morning, where's they show? And my day?

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01:34:51,080 --> 01:34:56,440
Speaker 8: You know, Sundays going forward, ken Flow is a priority.

2217
01:34:56,560 --> 01:34:58,720
Speaker 8: He had a conflict. So I don't know what to tell,

2218
01:34:59,560 --> 01:35:02,439
Speaker 8: but rest assured. I'm flying a red eye after Marlon

2219
01:35:02,560 --> 01:35:04,880
Speaker 8: Vera and Rob Font this weekend and we'll be back

2220
01:35:04,960 --> 01:35:06,200
Speaker 8: on the screws this Sunday with our you.

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01:35:07,400 --> 01:35:08,679
Speaker 3: That's what I'm talking about.

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Speaker 8: Before I let you go, go go go, Rob Font,

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01:35:12,479 --> 01:35:14,400
Speaker 8: Cheato Vera. This is a huge fight at one hundred

2224
01:35:14,400 --> 01:35:15,760
Speaker 8: and thirty five pounds. I want to know who you

2225
01:35:15,840 --> 01:35:16,360
Speaker 8: think wins it.

2226
01:35:17,360 --> 01:35:17,519
Speaker 7: Uh.

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01:35:19,400 --> 01:35:21,479
Speaker 3: I love Rob Font in that whole camp, But I

2228
01:35:21,560 --> 01:35:24,519
Speaker 3: think Cheeto has just got the mindset and the will.

2229
01:35:24,560 --> 01:35:27,799
Speaker 3: There's a five rounder. Yeah, I think I think Cheato

2230
01:35:27,880 --> 01:35:30,639
Speaker 3: gets it done. I think he's uh, I think he's

2231
01:35:30,680 --> 01:35:33,080
Speaker 3: a problem. I think he's a major problem. And again

2232
01:35:33,120 --> 01:35:35,120
Speaker 3: I think is I'm just going mindset. I'm not even

2233
01:35:35,160 --> 01:35:39,920
Speaker 3: going technique at this point. But uh, you know, I

2234
01:35:40,320 --> 01:35:42,840
Speaker 3: think he's got the momentum and I'm gonna I would say,

2235
01:35:42,880 --> 01:35:46,960
Speaker 3: I go where the Cheeto, not even getting any technical

2236
01:35:47,439 --> 01:35:47,920
Speaker 3: thing about it.

2237
01:35:48,000 --> 01:35:51,320
Speaker 8: Very interesting, very interesting, Cheeto vera love on the program today.

2238
01:35:51,320 --> 01:35:52,960
Speaker 8: We'll see where that betting line closes.

2239
01:35:53,240 --> 01:35:54,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he's got a he's got an edge

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01:35:54,800 --> 01:35:57,080
Speaker 3: to him that I think, Uh, you know, I don't

2241
01:35:57,120 --> 01:35:59,400
Speaker 3: think he feels like he's getting any respect. And he

2242
01:35:59,600 --> 01:36:01,360
Speaker 3: he is good, good, and he gets better and better

2243
01:36:01,439 --> 01:36:05,400
Speaker 3: and better. And Rob fun is good though me and

2244
01:36:05,479 --> 01:36:08,439
Speaker 3: I like those guys, but I think the more diverse

2245
01:36:08,520 --> 01:36:11,080
Speaker 3: guy is Cheeto, and I think his head's in the

2246
01:36:11,160 --> 01:36:12,920
Speaker 3: right spot. And That's what I'm going with.

2247
01:36:13,200 --> 01:36:15,679
Speaker 8: It's a fucking great main event. It's yours on ESPN

2248
01:36:15,760 --> 01:36:18,720
Speaker 8: plus Early Star Time this weekend. You can find more

2249
01:36:18,800 --> 01:36:22,360
Speaker 8: from Ray Longo on social media at Ray long Ago,

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Speaker 8: m m A and minute Men, Minute Men be heard

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01:36:25,640 --> 01:36:27,960
Speaker 8: from Let Ray know how much you love him and

2252
01:36:28,120 --> 01:36:29,840
Speaker 8: how you fast forward to the Ray Longo minute and

2253
01:36:29,880 --> 01:36:31,519
Speaker 8: don't listen to let the rest of the podcast because

2254
01:36:31,520 --> 01:36:32,479
Speaker 8: it makes it feel pretty good.

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Speaker 1: We gotta go.

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Speaker 12: I love you all right, Take it easy, guys, right,

2257
01:36:36,320 --> 01:36:40,920
Speaker 12: take care. He's just not feeling my vibeatum. Sorry that

2258
01:36:41,160 --> 01:36:43,839
Speaker 12: it's kind of funny, Tatum.

2259
01:36:43,960 --> 01:36:45,560
Speaker 8: I thought it was kind of funny that my daughter's like,

2260
01:36:45,720 --> 01:36:47,759
Speaker 8: you have a clean face, and my wife's like, no, honey,

2261
01:36:47,800 --> 01:36:50,920
Speaker 8: he can't because he doesn't look really very good when

2262
01:36:50,960 --> 01:36:52,240
Speaker 8: he technically.

2263
01:36:52,320 --> 01:36:55,760
Speaker 3: Technically, there's times when your wife is embarrassed to even

2264
01:36:55,800 --> 01:36:56,479
Speaker 3: bring you around.

2265
01:36:56,760 --> 01:36:59,960
Speaker 8: Basically, yeah, John, if it makes you feel bad.

2266
01:37:00,280 --> 01:37:02,400
Speaker 1: I'm in the same boat with Clark in that never

2267
01:37:02,520 --> 01:37:03,800
Speaker 1: shave your face again.

2268
01:37:04,439 --> 01:37:06,479
Speaker 8: Cover up your face, guys, cover up your fon.

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01:37:07,960 --> 01:37:09,759
Speaker 3: Hey, I don't even know what to say. I'm speaking.

2270
01:37:10,200 --> 01:37:10,640
Speaker 1: I love you.

2271
01:37:13,400 --> 01:37:15,400
Speaker 8: There is the Ray Long Mette every week here on

2272
01:37:15,439 --> 01:37:17,400
Speaker 8: the Anakin Floor in podcast, and of course we close

2273
01:37:17,439 --> 01:37:19,479
Speaker 8: out the show with our producer. In the marrow seconds,

2274
01:37:19,920 --> 01:37:22,559
Speaker 8: I am going to go plug in my computer because

2275
01:37:22,600 --> 01:37:26,080
Speaker 8: it's dyeing. So just give me a minute. I'm gonna

2276
01:37:26,080 --> 01:37:27,880
Speaker 8: stay on the cans. I just gotta plug in my

2277
01:37:27,960 --> 01:37:30,439
Speaker 8: fucking computer. Audio people aren't going to notice this if

2278
01:37:30,479 --> 01:37:32,439
Speaker 8: you're on the video side. There's a little off pudding.

2279
01:37:32,760 --> 01:37:33,200
Speaker 3: What of it?

2280
01:37:33,880 --> 01:37:34,120
Speaker 1: Cody?

2281
01:37:34,160 --> 01:37:35,360
Speaker 8: How are you bro good?

2282
01:37:35,479 --> 01:37:37,200
Speaker 10: Just filling time here, filling airspace?

2283
01:37:37,320 --> 01:37:37,439
Speaker 3: You know?

2284
01:37:38,479 --> 01:37:40,080
Speaker 8: So what do you got for the marrow seconds?

2285
01:37:41,080 --> 01:37:41,200
Speaker 1: Uh?

2286
01:37:41,240 --> 01:37:43,040
Speaker 7: Well, so I was gonna say, like, are you now

2287
01:37:43,160 --> 01:37:45,839
Speaker 7: retroactively saying you name Tatum after Jason Tatum?

2288
01:37:46,080 --> 01:37:47,760
Speaker 10: I mean he's only nineteen, right, Like.

2289
01:37:48,120 --> 01:37:52,639
Speaker 8: I'm not because our beloved former makeup artist Susie Freeton

2290
01:37:52,760 --> 01:37:55,759
Speaker 8: actually named Tatum. So we have a special story already.

2291
01:37:56,160 --> 01:37:59,080
Speaker 8: But I have bought a lot of Celtics.

2292
01:37:58,680 --> 01:37:59,519
Speaker 1: Gear for her.

2293
01:37:59,640 --> 01:38:02,000
Speaker 8: That's is you know, Tatum with his number zero on.

2294
01:38:02,240 --> 01:38:03,000
Speaker 8: So it's a good question.

2295
01:38:03,040 --> 01:38:05,719
Speaker 10: But you well, res and p SU's always thinking that, yeah.

2296
01:38:05,640 --> 01:38:07,040
Speaker 8: Thanks buddy, what else you got?

2297
01:38:07,479 --> 01:38:10,120
Speaker 7: So number one UFC staging an eight man turning across

2298
01:38:10,200 --> 01:38:12,360
Speaker 7: four weight classes to go down in Asia while you

2299
01:38:12,400 --> 01:38:15,920
Speaker 7: guys are over there in Singapore. It's specifically for Asian talent,

2300
01:38:16,000 --> 01:38:17,960
Speaker 7: called the Road to the UFC. So there's gonna be

2301
01:38:18,000 --> 01:38:21,599
Speaker 7: some extra fight content there on ESPN Plus for all

2302
01:38:21,680 --> 01:38:23,719
Speaker 7: you guys. Are you calling those shows?

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01:38:23,760 --> 01:38:23,960
Speaker 3: John?

2304
01:38:24,000 --> 01:38:25,200
Speaker 10: Is there anything you can reveal about that?

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01:38:25,760 --> 01:38:25,800
Speaker 3: No?

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01:38:26,040 --> 01:38:28,240
Speaker 8: I know this was supposed to happen a long time ago,

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01:38:28,320 --> 01:38:30,760
Speaker 8: but COVID nineteen intervened. I don't believe I will be

2308
01:38:30,840 --> 01:38:33,640
Speaker 8: calling those fights. But uh, I don't have much for you.

2309
01:38:33,720 --> 01:38:35,519
Speaker 8: I don't have my flight to Singapore yet. As we

2310
01:38:35,560 --> 01:38:37,320
Speaker 8: sit here, April twenty fifth, so it should be coming

2311
01:38:37,360 --> 01:38:38,559
Speaker 8: down this week or next hopefully.

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01:38:39,120 --> 01:38:41,960
Speaker 7: Well, let's hope that the bar has been raised a

2313
01:38:41,960 --> 01:38:43,519
Speaker 7: little bit. The Asian talent has been a little I

2314
01:38:43,560 --> 01:38:46,000
Speaker 7: mean COVID obviously had a part of that, but like

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01:38:46,240 --> 01:38:49,599
Speaker 7: the the talent coming out of China since like twenty

2316
01:38:49,720 --> 01:38:52,360
Speaker 7: twenty has not been the greatest, so hopefully it adds

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01:38:52,400 --> 01:38:55,320
Speaker 7: to that. But a Richi Lang RICHI long was impressive

2318
01:38:55,400 --> 01:38:55,920
Speaker 7: last weekend.

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01:38:56,080 --> 01:39:01,600
Speaker 8: Yeah, and we got a Chinese fighter Tatsurora, who I

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01:39:01,680 --> 01:39:03,880
Speaker 8: believe was making his UFC debut this weekend as well.

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01:39:04,040 --> 01:39:09,920
Speaker 10: So well, if you needed help Aston, he's Jackey, I say,

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01:39:09,960 --> 01:39:11,120
Speaker 10: that's a Japanese name.

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01:39:12,080 --> 01:39:12,599
Speaker 1: So number two.

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Speaker 7: Just a couple of notes on Fury and and Ghanu.

2325
01:39:15,360 --> 01:39:17,200
Speaker 7: Was Fury's walk out the best of all time? Did

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01:39:17,240 --> 01:39:17,880
Speaker 7: you guys catch that?

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01:39:18,080 --> 01:39:18,680
Speaker 1: I missed it?

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01:39:19,040 --> 01:39:21,479
Speaker 7: It was incredible, ninety five thousand people in Wembley. I

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01:39:21,520 --> 01:39:23,960
Speaker 7: mean the guy took twenty minutes to walk out, but

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01:39:24,040 --> 01:39:27,679
Speaker 7: he's a showman. I mean there's no more confident fighter

2331
01:39:27,760 --> 01:39:30,240
Speaker 7: walking to a ring than Tyson Fury. So if you

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01:39:30,240 --> 01:39:31,840
Speaker 7: can catch that, I would definitely go back. I think

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01:39:31,840 --> 01:39:33,000
Speaker 7: it's the best walkout of all time?

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01:39:33,200 --> 01:39:35,479
Speaker 1: Is this a real possibility in Ghanu and Fury?

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01:39:36,040 --> 01:39:37,599
Speaker 7: So that's what I was gonna say. And gan who

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01:39:37,680 --> 01:39:39,680
Speaker 7: came into the ring, he was sitting courtside with his

2337
01:39:39,800 --> 01:39:42,519
Speaker 7: agent and he and Fury were talking about doing a

2338
01:39:42,520 --> 01:39:46,200
Speaker 7: crossover fight in twenty twenty three with boxing fight with

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01:39:46,360 --> 01:39:47,160
Speaker 7: MMA gloves.

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01:39:47,400 --> 01:39:48,600
Speaker 11: Yeah, which I.

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01:39:48,800 --> 01:39:51,400
Speaker 7: Think that does increase in Ghanhu's chances, does it not.

2342
01:39:51,560 --> 01:39:53,920
Speaker 7: I mean, in Ghanu is one of those one punch

2343
01:39:54,000 --> 01:39:56,880
Speaker 7: power guys, anything can happen. But I mean Fury, you're

2344
01:39:56,880 --> 01:39:59,040
Speaker 7: talking about possibly the greatest boxer of all time.

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01:39:59,640 --> 01:40:01,840
Speaker 10: So the odds did come out. Do you guys want

2346
01:40:01,840 --> 01:40:03,479
Speaker 10: to venture a guess at what those odds are?

2347
01:40:04,400 --> 01:40:07,719
Speaker 8: Are these odds for any glove size that we're dealing.

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01:40:07,560 --> 01:40:10,320
Speaker 10: With, So it's for a mixed rules boxing fight.

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01:40:11,760 --> 01:40:16,880
Speaker 1: I'm saying one for Fury, I'd say throwing hands. Yeah,

2350
01:40:16,920 --> 01:40:18,439
Speaker 1: they're still throwing hands at the end of the day.

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01:40:18,479 --> 01:40:20,599
Speaker 8: What do you got, I would say Fury like minus

2352
01:40:20,760 --> 01:40:21,800
Speaker 8: nine hundred or something.

2353
01:40:22,160 --> 01:40:25,559
Speaker 7: So Fury's minus fifteen hundred yeah, and Ganu plus seven

2354
01:40:25,560 --> 01:40:25,960
Speaker 7: to fifty.

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Speaker 10: So not really much value. We'll have to ask BP

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Speaker 10: if he sees any value there in Aganu.

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Speaker 7: But the most interesting thing from the post fight talk

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Speaker 7: between the two of them was that they're sitting there

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Speaker 7: talking about doing a mixed rules fight and then Fury's like,

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Speaker 7: I mean, you're a good looking guy, like you got

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Speaker 7: a big dick on you or what? And then Ghanu

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Speaker 7: was like, what what are you talking about? Like Fur,

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Speaker 7: he's like trying to grab at him, like negg him

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Speaker 7: a little bit. So he's already starting with the head games. Yeah,

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Speaker 7: trying to make Ganu feel a comfort, which, look, hey,

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Speaker 7: I am lying on the straight side of the arrow here,

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Speaker 7: but like everyone has seen the dick imprinted in Ganu

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Speaker 7: has so like, you know, when you fight Francis and Ghana,

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Speaker 7: you're fighting Francis and Francis Junior.

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Speaker 1: You're not just fighting Francis. Thank you for that.

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Speaker 11: That's why nobody does.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, that's fair. And I'm just so glad that

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Speaker 8: we had you to give us because I can say that,

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Speaker 8: because I can, you can.

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Speaker 7: I'm here John number three, the anti Anneck Fade parlay.

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Speaker 7: So I was going drafting sports book and I was

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Speaker 7: looking at it for the Celtics to win the East,

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Speaker 7: the Blue Jays to beat the Red Sox in their

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Speaker 7: next series, because as we know, the Red Sox playing

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Speaker 7: like garbage and Rob font to win plus eight Owa

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Speaker 7: on DK sportsbook.

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Speaker 1: I kind of like that.

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Speaker 10: You know, I'm not the camper here, but I kind

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Speaker 10: of like it.

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Speaker 8: That's pretty juicy, all right, good stuff from Cody Merrow

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Speaker 8: on the way out. I like Francis and Ghana with

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Speaker 8: that shaved head by the way, of course, all right,

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Speaker 8: Balab Muhammad and Jason Anak on this very channel coming

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Speaker 8: up Thursday. If you missed last week's show, sort of

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Speaker 8: a celebration for those guys after Bellow's win over Percente Luke.

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Speaker 8: our guests Sean Sheen bringing it off the top of

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Speaker 8: the show, Ray Longo, Brian Petrie. Our producer is Cody

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Speaker 8: Merrow for our intern Will Berger as well. Thank you

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Speaker 8: all for watching, for listening. We will be back with

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