Speaker 1: What's that at the Bed's spooky?
Speaker 2: Hey juky, I'm preally sure it's dead.
Speaker 1: It's coming this way. Wait a minute, he I, I
Speaker 1: Nanda's plase. Hey boo, It's me Roz and welcome to
Speaker 1: Ghosted by Roz Hernandez, the podcast where I talk to
Speaker 1: people that I like about the baron normal. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I got to have such a fun time with Pat Reagan,
Speaker 1: who is a comedian, such a funny stand up comedian.
Speaker 1: You got to see him live if you ever have
Speaker 1: the chance. Also hosts the podcast Seek Treatment, which I
Speaker 1: recently got to be on. And he he also writes
Speaker 1: on the TV show Hacks on HBO, which is just
Speaker 1: the best. I don't get me started. I love that
Speaker 1: show so so much. And also, this is an interesting
Speaker 1: episode because he doesn't necessarily have a ghost story, but
Speaker 1: he's got a lot to talk about. He's one of
Speaker 1: these people that I think can make anything funny and
Speaker 1: interesting and made it really easy on me. So let's
Speaker 1: just go into the episode. You'll hear exactly what I'm
Speaker 1: talking about. I hope you have a nice little laugh
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Speaker 1: on ghosted. Okay, here we go. It's time for me
Speaker 1: and Pat Reagan.
Speaker 2: Pat Reagan, Hello, Hi, thank you for having me.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, how are you?
Speaker 2: I'm good. I'm good. It's like one of those mornings
Speaker 2: I woke up, I wake up earlier, earlier, I wake
Speaker 2: up at six thirty, thank you, and then I go
Speaker 2: to the gym at seventieteen. But then it is just
Speaker 2: the kind of thing where you know and like your
Speaker 2: body then thinks you've accomplished something because you've like gone
Speaker 2: to the gym.
Speaker 1: But then it's like no, but I can imagine, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll be vicarious.
Speaker 2: And then you haven't quite accomplished anything. You've just moved
Speaker 2: weights around and then but then your body thinks you have,
Speaker 2: so then you're so lazy. It's like this, it's been
Speaker 2: a really lazy morning.
Speaker 1: I thought it's supposed to make you energize.
Speaker 2: It does make me energized. It does make me energize.
Speaker 2: But like, if I don't get home, I like get
Speaker 2: right into a task. Then I kind of like I
Speaker 2: got home and I got right into like sending voice
Speaker 2: memos to friends, and then all of a sudden you're
Speaker 2: in nine different voice memo conversations, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: the morning's gone, and all of a sudden, you're like, wait,
Speaker 2: I'm thirty five years old. Why am I having nine
Speaker 2: orchis memeal conversations throughout a weekday morning?
Speaker 1: Send me a voice mama some time, I will, I
Speaker 1: have to. What do you think about like the paranormal?
Speaker 1: Does it concern you in any way?
Speaker 2: It doesn't concern me. But like I don't fear Like
Speaker 2: there's something about ghosts that to me, I just don't
Speaker 2: quite believe in or something, and so like I don't
Speaker 2: get scared of them. And then I also have a
Speaker 2: very cho it's gonna sound so dark, like I have
Speaker 2: a very chill relationship with Like if a ghost like
Speaker 2: kills me, I'm like whatever, Like if you needed to
Speaker 2: do that, like fine, Like I don't. I'm not obsessed
Speaker 2: with thing alive, so like I don't I don't get
Speaker 2: scared that. I like, I feel like I would think
Speaker 2: about ghost like what if a ghost comes to my
Speaker 2: house and that kills me? But I like I'm like, okay,
Speaker 2: well whatever if that happens, it happens kind of thing.
Speaker 2: So I don't think about them because I don't have
Speaker 2: that fear. And then also like I'm not like very
Speaker 2: observant of the world around me. I'm very in my
Speaker 2: own head. I'm like, you know, I lose everything I
Speaker 2: touch and I don't look where I'm walking. It's crazy
Speaker 2: that I haven't been hit by a bus yet because
Speaker 2: I'm like walking in front of them NonStop. So like
Speaker 2: I'm sure I've Lurie's like walked next to a ghost
Speaker 2: who was like waving at me and just like didn't notice,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Like I just am in
Speaker 2: my own kind of world. Yeah, so forever reason, like
Speaker 2: they don't fascinate me so much, but I do believe
Speaker 2: in them. I do very much believe in aliens. I
Speaker 2: think for sure there's like other planets with like different
Speaker 2: ohkay sees on them for sure, if I can give
Speaker 2: you that.
Speaker 1: See, That's how I always feel like I've got so
Speaker 1: many Like Okay, since I transitioned. I feel like I
Speaker 1: never encountered ghosts or like very rarely nowadays, and or
Speaker 1: you know, maybe I just used to think I did
Speaker 1: more before, but now I'm just like I'm trans dealing
Speaker 1: with other shit. I can't look at you like trying
Speaker 1: to spook me. I'm not interested. I got other problems. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but wait, so when you talk about a ghost trying
Speaker 1: to kill you, which I think is fascinating because to
Speaker 1: to me, if a ghost killed me, then that would
Speaker 1: mean I'm now on their.
Speaker 2: Plane, right, and is that what they want? But don't
Speaker 2: you think in all like the move the scary movies,
Speaker 2: it's like ghosts to always like possessing people and then
Speaker 2: making them kill themselves. It's like a huge part of
Speaker 2: like cinemas.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well those are usually demons, which are different.
Speaker 2: So possession isn't ghosts. Well you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: it's all nebulous to me. It's all I don't understand
Speaker 2: the rules, and I guess I just and then like
Speaker 2: if ghosts are not you know, malignant, if they're if
Speaker 2: they're just nice, and like I don't care that much
Speaker 2: about like dog, Like I'm not someone who when a
Speaker 2: dog walks by I'm like, oh my god, look that
Speaker 2: dog gets cute. So it's like I'm fine with ghosts existing.
Speaker 2: How they're like they have nothing to do with me,
Speaker 2: Like they don't they I think, don't care about me,
Speaker 2: Like they don't care to interact with me, which I'm like,
Speaker 2: that's fine, right. So it's like if they're nice, I'm like, okay, whatever,
Speaker 2: like move go, like go on with your day and
Speaker 2: like be nice to everyone. Whatever. Are meaning kind of
Speaker 2: like murderous and I'm like, oh, okay, like they haven't you.
Speaker 1: I mean what I'm saying, Yeah, I mean, it's just
Speaker 1: how we should all be with living people. It's like
Speaker 1: maybe you were born this way, you do what you.
Speaker 2: Do totally, and maybe you died this way it's a.
Speaker 1: Ghost and then some of you died this way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But I just think, like I've gotten into so many
Speaker 1: fights with ghosts.
Speaker 2: Really, yeah, what does that look like?
Speaker 1: Well? There is a clip that just hit about fifteen
Speaker 1: million views of me getting called a slur.
Speaker 2: By a ghost. Are you serious?
Speaker 1: Yeah? And then I've had like a couple of these
Speaker 1: moments where I'm like, you better pray I don't drop
Speaker 1: dead right now, bitch, because if I'm now a ghost,
Speaker 1: then I could probably actually slap you, right. I think
Speaker 1: my hand would go through right now, if I slapped
Speaker 1: a ghost.
Speaker 2: It goes to so lucky you're alive.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if I became a ghost, like, listen, bitch, I'll
Speaker 1: meet you over there.
Speaker 2: The earings are coming off, The earrings are coming off.
Speaker 1: The ear rings will come right up. It's like, just
Speaker 1: so you know, it might be fifty more years, might
Speaker 1: be sixty. It probably won't. It might be sooner, but
Speaker 1: you better wait.
Speaker 2: Now, does everybody become a ghost or just some people
Speaker 2: become ghosts? Do you think?
Speaker 1: I mean, I try to be careful with what I think. Well, no,
Speaker 1: I'm not. But nothing's a fact. Here's the thing, none
Speaker 1: of this stuff. Nobody knows this for real.
Speaker 2: I think it can't be everybody's a ghost, because like
Speaker 2: that would get so crowded if everyone became a ghost
Speaker 2: when they died. There's billions of people even just now
Speaker 2: so there have been like probably kajillions of people since
Speaker 2: the beginning. If everyone was slowly becoming ghosts, it would
Speaker 2: literally be it would be a like Tokyo subway. The
Speaker 2: entire earth just filled with ghosts that could barely even
Speaker 2: want because there's so many of them, do you know
Speaker 2: what I mean?
Speaker 1: It seems that way. Yeah, and then you add demons
Speaker 1: in there, it's just a lie.
Speaker 2: But you know, I love Buffy the Vampire Slayer, and
Speaker 2: so most of my relationship with demonology is from kind
Speaker 2: of the Buffy verse.
Speaker 1: Oh interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and when I've gleaned film Buffy, those art facts
Speaker 2: and that Israel and that is science.
Speaker 1: Well that was a documentary.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a documentary about a young girl in California.
Speaker 1: A ducuseries.
Speaker 2: About op it Uh.
Speaker 1: To answer your question, though, I think the most common
Speaker 1: theory would be, you know, unfinished business. I think if
Speaker 1: somebody dies and they don't realize that. Okay, you just
Speaker 1: pulled a ripped, lean bicep into the frame.
Speaker 2: While I'm trying to oh, oh my god.
Speaker 1: And you think that I'm going to just keep talking.
Speaker 2: No, you know, I'm in a bulk. I totally was
Speaker 2: off air. I'm in I'm bolk right now for my
Speaker 2: gym journey and like and so I'm not as lean
Speaker 2: as I once was. But I will say, my arms
Speaker 2: look great.
Speaker 1: That was a lean python of a muscle.
Speaker 2: I will say to my arms look great, and that's
Speaker 2: the only thing I'll say my physical body.
Speaker 1: Well, going back to physical bodies and spiritual bodies, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I think that there's a lot of reasons
Speaker 1: why someone might be a ghost apparently, you know. I
Speaker 1: think if someone's life just gets cut short instantly and
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, they're like, wait, am I dead?
Speaker 1: Like what's going on? I think if it's like very traumatic,
Speaker 1: sometimes it's believed that that trauma sticks, you know, in
Speaker 1: one place, even when the physical body is not there.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of reasons, but I personally think from
Speaker 1: studying the stuff so much, that someone that knew they
Speaker 1: were going to die for a long time, they're totally
Speaker 1: at peace. They set all their sories or whatever. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not very common that they come back and stick around.
Speaker 1: It usually seems like some somebody that's like I still
Speaker 1: want to be on Earth and it's like girl graduating, Like.
Speaker 2: That's so not me. I so won't be a ghost.
Speaker 2: I don't feel about me on Earth. But if anything,
Speaker 2: I will say, like my one big chunk of unfinished
Speaker 2: business is like you know that I lose so many things,
Speaker 2: Like I lose everything, Like I just got a new
Speaker 2: credit card. It's already lost, but I'm down both my
Speaker 2: debit cards and one of my credit cards right now.
Speaker 2: But anyways, my point is, since I was like nine,
Speaker 2: have lost everything, And since I was like nine, I
Speaker 2: was always like, I don't even care about getting anything back,
Speaker 2: but I'm obsessed went what happens to these things? Like
Speaker 2: where do they go? And if anything? I would be
Speaker 2: a ghost just to know where all my debit cards
Speaker 2: and keys went and stuff. And I would have to
Speaker 2: walk to the earth so I found everything.
Speaker 1: Oh the searchers sort of a ghost that's always looking
Speaker 1: for something.
Speaker 2: But it would just be my journey. I wouldn't really
Speaker 2: bother anybody else.
Speaker 1: I don't thing'd be like, so sorry, it didn't mean
Speaker 1: to scare you. I didn't mean to wake you up
Speaker 1: in the middle of the night. I'm just is my
Speaker 1: debit carden here?
Speaker 2: Did I leave my cards here?
Speaker 1: Were you raised with religion at all?
Speaker 2: I was raised in the Catholic Church. Just amazing for
Speaker 2: my mental health that it's.
Speaker 1: A flawless religion. It really is.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Are you familiar with the work of Saint Anthony?
Speaker 2: Yes, you know. I went to Saint Anthony's High school.
Speaker 1: Okay, well do you know that he's like the patron
Speaker 1: saint of lost items.
Speaker 2: Yes, And that's why my confirmation name was Anthony, because
Speaker 2: people were always telling me to pray to Saint Anthony
Speaker 2: to like find my stuff. Yeah. Obviously he always was
Speaker 2: kind of busy, could never help.
Speaker 1: Had a bad connection, just couldn't get through.
Speaker 2: He always had something that day. But so when I
Speaker 2: was in confirmation, which are like, now you're thirteen, so
Speaker 2: you could decide your full complex relationship with the presence
Speaker 2: of God in your life. In Catholics mental confirmation, and
Speaker 2: you have to choose like a name that you'll never
Speaker 2: use again and doesn't matter at all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I did that, and I had.
Speaker 2: To be Viciat and everyone told me to choose Saint
Speaker 2: Anthony because I was like, I was like famous in
Speaker 2: my town for losing things.
Speaker 1: That's when I did that. I just I already was
Speaker 1: like this stuff is all bogus, a bunch of blowneys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I was just like, I don't know, I'll pick
Speaker 1: the longest, like most unusual, uncommon name. And then I
Speaker 1: remember my name was Zephanaya.
Speaker 2: Oh it's so fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was just like it's a fun one I.
Speaker 2: Wish I had more of a sense of humor and
Speaker 2: whimsy with it. I wanted so badly to please the people.
Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I get that, But so still to this day,
Speaker 1: have you have you consulted Saint Anthony? No?
Speaker 2: Now, I just don't bother him because i know he
Speaker 2: like has so much going on that I'm like, let
Speaker 2: me just look for my things and if I don't
Speaker 2: find them, I'll just order a new card on MX
Speaker 2: dot com.
Speaker 1: Because I've talked about this on the show with multiple
Speaker 1: you know, former Catholics or whatever where Like that is
Speaker 1: for me, the like the one Catholic thing that I
Speaker 1: that I I'm like, what's the worst that'll happen if, like,
Speaker 1: you know, I'd lose something? And I'm like, Saint Anthony,
Speaker 1: I've tried everything.
Speaker 2: Oh so you do pray to Saint Anthony?
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know. I guess it's technically praying, but
Speaker 1: it's usually like I've exhausted every option and I'm like, listen, girl,
Speaker 1: can you just like I know, you know where it is,
Speaker 1: Saint Anthony? Can you just tell like whatever I swear
Speaker 1: to God, it like always works.
Speaker 2: Are you serious? Oh? For me. It's like the exact opposite,
Speaker 2: where it's almost like either he doesn't care or he
Speaker 2: just like I was like, he's bad at this, like
Speaker 2: he's faking it, like he can't he's actually bad at
Speaker 2: finding things. Or it's like you know there's people where
Speaker 2: it's like they have no real talents, so they just
Speaker 2: like make up a talent they have, like that was Himorzy, No,
Speaker 2: I'm really good at finding things actually, and he's like,
Speaker 2: that's my thing.
Speaker 1: Well, I think one time he probably found something by
Speaker 1: accident really good. It's like when someone accidentally goes viral
Speaker 1: and then now everyone's following them yes, and then it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: we want you to do that thing again, and they're
Speaker 1: like I I got not them totally totally.
Speaker 2: That's exactly what happened with Saint Anthony.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so. So okay, I want to ask
Speaker 1: you about psychics. What do you think of that.
Speaker 2: I'm more prone to believe in psychics and I don't
Speaker 2: know why, Like there hasn't been a ton of like
Speaker 2: death in my life, so like mediums, like there's not
Speaker 2: a lot of people that would talk to me because
Speaker 2: I honestly don't know very many people who have died,
Speaker 2: which I you know, very charmed life. I suppose, just
Speaker 2: like my grandparents. I don't know. I don't think they
Speaker 2: were like I think once your grandparent, if you die,
Speaker 2: you kind of like if when I'm a grandpa, if
Speaker 2: I die, I'll be like, yeah, I expected to do.
Speaker 2: I'm a grandpa, for chraz.
Speaker 1: Sake, what do you think was gonna happen to me?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna live longer. So I just don't think
Speaker 2: my grandparents, any of them, would necessarily visit me. And
Speaker 2: then it's not like, you know, both my parents are
Speaker 2: living or no one. I've never really had even a
Speaker 2: friend really who died. But I do believe it. I
Speaker 2: actually do believe in that. So maybe I must believe
Speaker 2: in ghosts because I'm like, if I believe people can
Speaker 2: talk to ghosts, I must believe in them.
Speaker 1: Does any of it have to do with the fact
Speaker 1: aren't you from Long Island? Or do I make that up?
Speaker 2: Yes? But I don't. Yes, And this is actually a
Speaker 2: crazy story. You're talking about the Long Island medium.
Speaker 1: Of course, stories like a Pudoh.
Speaker 2: I have no experience with her, and I didn't watch
Speaker 2: that show, but you know, you know, JFL, a big
Speaker 2: comedy festival in Montreal.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just for lapse of course.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my first time auditioning for it, it was like I
Speaker 2: was so nervous and I actually was just coming from
Speaker 2: a funeral of my great uncle and I had to
Speaker 2: go straight to like this theater in Long Island City
Speaker 2: in Queens And it's just like those audition shows are
Speaker 2: always so bizarre because it's like mainly the people kind
Speaker 2: of judging the auditions and like some people's friends. But
Speaker 2: it's just like the weirdest vibe in the room. And
Speaker 2: it's not a show that like just random audience members
Speaker 2: go to. Right. But I show up and I see
Speaker 2: this one in the front row with this very specific haircut,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, oh my god, that's the Long Island
Speaker 2: Medium top. And I don't know why to this day,
Speaker 2: but the Long Island Medium came to watch JFL first
Speaker 2: round auditions in like twenty probably twenty eighteen, twenty seventeen.
Speaker 2: It was crazy.
Speaker 1: Do you think they were consulting her to be like,
Speaker 1: who do you think is going to be the next star?
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe that's how JPL chooses who's going to be
Speaker 2: on the New Faces line up each year.
Speaker 1: Well, JFL is dead, isn't it Like, isn't it over
Speaker 1: or taking a break?
Speaker 2: I don't follow if it's dead or not, but like
Speaker 2: I feel like it's dead, and then it's not dead,
Speaker 2: and then it's like I don't really know, but yeah,
Speaker 2: I think it's probably dead. But you know what, I
Speaker 2: do have watched quite a bit of and do like
Speaker 2: believe he's real. And I'm sure, like I'm sure there's
Speaker 2: many who have like proven that he's a fraud.
Speaker 1: But I'm like, that's every psychic.
Speaker 2: Tyler, Tyler, Henry, the gay one, yes, the gay twing,
Speaker 2: But like.
Speaker 1: All I'm saying is literally every single psychic. If you google,
Speaker 1: you will find people being like they're right, they're Oh,
Speaker 1: they're a liar, they're a scammer.
Speaker 2: Yeah. But what's really made me believe in psychics is
Speaker 2: like Real Housewives, because like they come on and they
Speaker 2: say things that producers don't even know, that these women
Speaker 2: don't even know, and then we watch those things come
Speaker 2: true and it's crazy. And my favorite line ever in
Speaker 2: any real hosswive thing, I think is from like do
Speaker 2: you watch OC now? So there was a there's a
Speaker 2: woman called Vicky who's like the original house, Like honestly,
Speaker 2: she's like the blueprint sort of, and she's had kind
Speaker 2: of like a tragic she's obviously completely insane, and she's
Speaker 2: like had a couple of different husbands on the show.
Speaker 2: And then she was dating this guy, Brooks, who like
Speaker 2: you could just tell was bad news, and like, of
Speaker 2: course he was like swindling her and it was like
Speaker 2: very clear he was using. It was like, this is
Speaker 2: such a bad situation, but she's like in love and
Speaker 2: all the women are like, we don't trust him, we
Speaker 2: don't trust him, we hate him, and he becomes this
Speaker 2: villain for a few seasons. Then they come back one
Speaker 2: season and they're like Brooks has cancer, and it was
Speaker 2: like kind of this redemptive arc for him where he
Speaker 2: was like you know, dealing with like his fight against cancer.
Speaker 2: And then all the other women were seeing a psychic,
Speaker 2: this ball guy who was actually kind of hot, and
Speaker 2: the psychic was talking and Vicky wasn't there, but they
Speaker 2: were like and what about Vicky, Like what's gonna happen
Speaker 2: with Brooks's cancer? And the psychic like, I'm not seeing
Speaker 2: the cancer. It's not doesn't mean it's not there, but
Speaker 2: I don't see any cancer around Brooks and then he didn't.
Speaker 2: It turned out he didn't have cancer. Here was faking it,
Speaker 2: and the psychic knew, and Tamarck famously shouted, the psychic said,
Speaker 2: Brooks doesn't have cancer. But he was right, and no
Speaker 2: one knew like Vicky was. Vicky didn't No, like no
Speaker 2: one knew. It was crazy, like there was no way
Speaker 2: he could have known.
Speaker 1: Well, there was also the one that was on Beverly
Speaker 1: Hills early on. Yes, and yes, there were articles like
Speaker 1: a year ago or whatever when Kyle and Mauricio like
Speaker 1: were breaking up or whatever the deal was where she
Speaker 1: had predicted that so many years before.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she predicted that, and at the time it sounded ludicrous.
Speaker 2: I mean it's it's less specific. I mean they were
Speaker 2: such a solidy couple, so it does feel like wow, yeah,
Speaker 2: but like I don't know, like every real prospect gets.
Speaker 2: There were some that one I was kind of like, okay, sure,
Speaker 2: but and also Ramona Singer from New York I think
Speaker 2: in Morocco, as psychic said, there's another woman in her
Speaker 2: husband's life and then like two years later she walked
Speaker 2: in on him fucking sod wrong at their Hampton's house.
Speaker 1: So do you ever get tempted to go to one?
Speaker 2: Yes, I would like to go to one. I'm also
Speaker 2: someone who's always seeking. I have an obsession over what
Speaker 2: will happen next to me, and I'm I always feel
Speaker 2: like I'm on the cusp of the edge of some
Speaker 2: big abyss. But like, looking back, I've never really been.
Speaker 2: But I'm always thinking, oh, well, this is God, like
Speaker 2: what's going to happen next or something like. So I
Speaker 2: do always want to go, but I guess second, well,
Speaker 2: well I want to go to a really good one.
Speaker 2: But then it's like how do you.
Speaker 1: How do you know? Yeah, because again it's like Saint Anthony,
Speaker 1: like are they gonna happen today? You know, are they
Speaker 1: tapped in? But totally yeah, it's scary to get into that,
Speaker 1: I think, because then it's like then you're gonna be
Speaker 1: thinking like, oh my god, my husband is cheating on me.
Speaker 1: Like you're gonna be constantly and whether it's true or not,
Speaker 1: like yeah, I mean, sometimes the suck it gets lucky
Speaker 1: or sometimes they're they really did get it right.
Speaker 2: But but you know, Catherine, my co host, she like
Speaker 2: has this heroer she sees in I think like New Zealand,
Speaker 2: they see her to resume, But the woman is very
Speaker 2: hard to get in touch with, and she doesn't like
Speaker 2: want clients, and she lives very off the beaten path
Speaker 2: in some very rural port of New Zealand real so
Speaker 2: it's not that it's not that she like. She certainly
Speaker 2: does not listen to our podcast. Our podcast is not
Speaker 2: very big whatever. But the woman was like, I know
Speaker 2: a gay guy in your life called Pat called Patrick,
Speaker 2: which publicly I go by Pat, but my whole like
Speaker 2: child to night, my family, I worked colls me Patrick,
Speaker 2: and my internal monologue, I called myself Patrick. And then
Speaker 2: she said all this stuff about me to Catherine that
Speaker 2: was like quite true. And she knew stuff about like
Speaker 2: my family, like family secrets that like nobody knows. It
Speaker 2: was crazy. So that actually made me really believe. And
Speaker 2: then she told me that I was on the edge
Speaker 2: of darkness and I had to turn towards the light.
Speaker 2: And I was on the edge of darkness and I
Speaker 2: did have a turn towards flight. Ah, she told Catherine
Speaker 2: to tell me that, yeah.
Speaker 1: Were you going to turn towards the light? Before she
Speaker 1: said that.
Speaker 2: It was a time I was in like a very
Speaker 2: deep depression, and she was just like, he's so bogged
Speaker 2: down in the darkness. He's so bogged down. He has
Speaker 2: to cut the shit, tell him to cut the shit.
Speaker 2: Like he has to stop, he has to stop. And
Speaker 2: it was just a time I was like really being
Speaker 2: cruel to myself in like lots of ways, and I
Speaker 2: was like very you know, I do think I have
Speaker 2: like OCD and I get very self punitive and like
Speaker 2: strange ritualistic ways, and like I was really in it
Speaker 2: like during that time period, and I didn't obviously listen.
Speaker 2: I still like, I'm better now, but she isn't what
Speaker 2: broke me out of it. But it was crazy that
Speaker 2: she knew about me and then she just there's one
Speaker 2: specific fact she said to Catherine about something in my
Speaker 2: family that is so specific and so never been spoken
Speaker 2: about publicly. It's like so crazy. So like I'm even
Speaker 2: getting chose thinking about it. So it's wild.
Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, I love those moments, So like, yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: still like chasing that. I've been to so many psychics
Speaker 1: and I feel like I've been able to convince myself
Speaker 1: a little bit of like, oh my god, I think
Speaker 1: what they were talking about was this one thing. But
Speaker 1: like I still haven't had that moment where it's like,
Speaker 1: how did you know that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a close I had of that moment.
Speaker 2: But it does feel like annoying because it's very hard
Speaker 2: to get an appointment with her, so like she has
Speaker 2: no interest in seeing me or whatever.
Speaker 1: You know what. I have found, the better the psychic,
Speaker 1: the worse at communicating. Yeah, I cannot get some of
Speaker 1: these psychics to reply to me ever. Yeah, and you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna blame anyone. They're busy, but yeah, I
Speaker 1: have reached out to these famous psychics to come on
Speaker 1: this podcast for oh, I don't know, five years and
Speaker 1: haven't gotten any reply.
Speaker 2: Well, I do like famous psychics, Like I don't know.
Speaker 2: I guess like a true psychic doesn't seek fame, do
Speaker 2: you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I think that definitely. When you say that
Speaker 1: this woman's like I don't want clients, like leave me alone.
Speaker 1: I just have this gift like that, I'm like, hell.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Catherine has to ben Mo, her friend who lives
Speaker 2: like kind of nearby, who has to bring this woman
Speaker 2: cash is the only way she'll do it.
Speaker 1: That is real. Yeah, that's a real psychic. But I
Speaker 1: will say I have talked to many people on the
Speaker 1: show that have been on Tyler Henry and oh really
Speaker 1: yeah and Long Island Medium, and I have heard nothing
Speaker 1: but like, holy shit, I don't know how they knew this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I don't know I believe.
Speaker 2: In them, but something about the way he like looks
Speaker 2: off to the side. He's also like I one time
Speaker 2: watched like a full marathon and it was like fully
Speaker 2: pilled out before I got sober, and I just like
Speaker 2: was like nodding off watching Tyler Henry And it was
Speaker 2: funny because it was like I think he was like
Speaker 2: seventeen at the time, and he would have all these
Speaker 2: like nineties stars and he'd be like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: this is so crazy. I have no idea who you are,
Speaker 2: but my mom loves you, and you can tell all
Speaker 2: the people's hearts like breaking. He talked of the living
Speaker 2: Corey Corey Feldman. Oh, yeah, who's the Cory that's alive?
Speaker 1: And who's the Corey Corey Feltman's alive?
Speaker 2: So he goes to Corey Felman. He's like, I have
Speaker 2: no idea you are, but he's like, there's another Quarry
Speaker 2: coming through to me. And Corey Folman's like oh my god.
Speaker 2: And he's like, I don't know who is this person?
Speaker 2: Who is this person? In Coryphon like he's the other
Speaker 2: Qurey were the Corries. But it was just a heartbreaking
Speaker 2: to watch Chory Folman had to explain to this twin
Speaker 2: that they were the Quarries, Like it just was heartbreaking.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he loves he loves to not know whose celebrities are,
Speaker 1: which is which is a move that living in LA
Speaker 1: you'll see a lot where people totally will be like, oh,
Speaker 1: I've never heard of you, what did you do? Who
Speaker 1: are you? I don't know who you are? Yeah, Okay,
Speaker 1: well I know you do, but whatever.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And then in that same marathon, I was watching
Speaker 2: Carol rad Zuwel, the rehasife of New York who, like
Speaker 2: her big storyline kind of is that she lost She's
Speaker 2: a widow and she lost her husband like tragically to
Speaker 2: cancer and she wrote this memoir about it, and like
Speaker 2: he was like a Kennedy, a cousin. He was a
Speaker 2: cousin of the Kennedy's, the husband that died, has that died.
Speaker 2: But then what highlight it was actually who came through
Speaker 2: wasn't her husband, It was Carolyn Keny which was so chic. Wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I've also heard that those sessions are like
Speaker 1: obviously they cut a lot and it's like way longer.
Speaker 1: But he like really like goes into like his trance
Speaker 1: and scribbles and yeah, breeds heavy and sweats and whatever,
Speaker 1: like he like gets into it. But Okay, I want
Speaker 1: to know what you think of like bigfoots, like what
Speaker 1: we call cryptid creatures, these monsters of all. You know,
Speaker 1: you'll hear about these all over the place, that there's
Speaker 1: these monsters.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't, like I don't have a firm stance.
Speaker 2: It's like my immediate gut reaction is like I don't
Speaker 2: believe in them. But like I just think we've been
Speaker 2: around the block as a human race, and like we've
Speaker 2: seen most of the shit. Like it would be so
Speaker 2: surprising to me if you're like, oh my god, there's
Speaker 2: this huge monster we've just never fully noticed. We've just
Speaker 2: kind of noticed them and we could never quite find them.
Speaker 2: That would be so surprising to me. But you know,
Speaker 2: I don't know. I grew up on Long Island. There's
Speaker 2: not lots of woods, Like it would be so hard
Speaker 2: for a bigfoot to kind of evade capture on the island,
Speaker 2: but I'm sure there's like areas of Appalachia or wherever
Speaker 2: where they could really have their privacy. But even the
Speaker 2: fact that we're talking about it and still no one
Speaker 2: could find it, and if anyone, and you gotta always
Speaker 2: follow the money. If someone found Bigfoot, it was like
Speaker 2: we got him. Hey, we got him.
Speaker 1: Talk about reality show, like they would make.
Speaker 2: So much money off of finding big FROs. So it's
Speaker 2: like the fact that no one has it means he's
Speaker 2: not real or she well, but because I know he's
Speaker 2: a woman or they are they, I mean, we don't know.
Speaker 2: I thought it was you, Yes, it was me.
Speaker 1: I always like to tell people that a lot of
Speaker 1: people believe that the famous Bigfoot footage of the sixties
Speaker 1: was a woman because she's got curves and tittys, right.
Speaker 1: But part of the fun and why it becomes part
Speaker 1: of this conversation is like, could these be aliens? Could
Speaker 1: these be like these mythical creatures that somehow disappear? Could
Speaker 1: these be the ghosts of old species of creatures that
Speaker 1: are still wandering because obviously, yeah, we can't catch them,
Speaker 1: so like they must be something more magical.
Speaker 2: Could you entertain that I could entertain it, and I
Speaker 2: do believe in aliens. I do believe one day they
Speaker 2: will come here and attack us, just because like that
Speaker 2: would just make sense what was like, you know, imperialism
Speaker 2: being such a celebrated concept. But I do think, like
Speaker 2: I don't think we have the technology to find them.
Speaker 2: I think whoever finds the technology for ust will attack
Speaker 2: the other one. Like if we all of a sudden
Speaker 2: like really advance and we can go like to farther
Speaker 2: away planets, Like I'm sure the powers up people be like,
Speaker 2: let's just randomly attack this planet for no reason. And
Speaker 2: I bet the aliens are just like us in that way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but like it is a fact that there's unexplained
Speaker 1: phenomenal in the skies that now we don't know where
Speaker 1: they're from necessarily, but I think it seems like the
Speaker 1: aliens already can come here. Yeah, and they have an
Speaker 1: attacked us, which is why I'm like, they're cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it could be that, Like I mean,
Speaker 2: how sodould be a fair flying around to all different
Speaker 2: solar systems and they're like Earth is not it? They're like,
Speaker 2: we know that one we have, we don't have an
Speaker 2: interest in that one. They're kind of flying by to
Speaker 2: like a cooler planet that you would love to attack
Speaker 2: that one and take that one over, like I could
Speaker 2: believe that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's wrong with us?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it doesn't seem like a vacation destination to come
Speaker 1: to America.
Speaker 2: Exactly or too earth. Yeah. I don't know how much
Speaker 2: the tourism economy would boom if aliens could come. I
Speaker 2: think we're kind of a flyover state.
Speaker 1: We're a flyover planet. Yeah. You know. Another segment we
Speaker 1: have on this show involves looking at haunted dolls. Can
Speaker 1: I show you one?
Speaker 2: Please?
Speaker 1: It's time for the dolls are living? Okay, So here's
Speaker 1: what I do. I go to eBay dot com, a
Speaker 1: website I know you're familiar with.
Speaker 2: Of course I.
Speaker 1: Can I talk about please? So you introduce me to
Speaker 1: nicotine spray, which is not a sponsor of the show,
Speaker 1: but it's something you can pretty much only find on eBay.
Speaker 2: And it's only me to New Zealand, I believe, and
Speaker 2: I have to send it here?
Speaker 1: Is that what it is? So maybe Catherine Psychic could
Speaker 1: have the hook up.
Speaker 2: I know this is a very New Zealand Forward podcast episode.
Speaker 1: I love New Zealand. Men. If any are listening, you know,
Speaker 1: to find me.
Speaker 2: There's a really hot New Zealand runner who won. He
Speaker 2: is like primarily a steeplechaser now, but he wons the
Speaker 2: wet Chaser Steeplechaser. It's this event that's like not quite
Speaker 2: a marquee event, but like it's three thousand meters long,
Speaker 2: so it's like a little shorter than two miles, So
Speaker 2: it's like seven and a half laps around the track,
Speaker 2: but every lap there is five barriers that are kind
Speaker 2: of like hurdles but more sturdy, and then after one
Speaker 2: of the hurdles there's a water pit you have to
Speaker 2: jump over. So it's this kind of like strange event
Speaker 2: where it's like a critic might say, if someone want
Speaker 2: to be rude to a steeplechase runner, they might say, well, well,
Speaker 2: this is an event where if you're not quite good
Speaker 2: enough to make it in a five k, but you
Speaker 2: can jump over a barrier as well, then you could
Speaker 2: be a steeplechaser. But anyways, he's a steeple chaser. He ran.
Speaker 1: You're very into running if people didn't know those about.
Speaker 2: You, And this is all to say indoors. He won
Speaker 2: the mile at World Championships and he's from New Zealand
Speaker 2: and he's so hot it makes me feel crazy. Jeordy
Speaker 2: be Mesh.
Speaker 1: But what is a steeple I just think of here's
Speaker 1: the church, here's the steeples, it's from horse culture. It
Speaker 1: just sounds like such a fetish, like, you know, he's
Speaker 1: a steeple chaser.
Speaker 2: I know steeple chase guys I always think are really
Speaker 2: hot because they have to have like really strong hamstrings,
Speaker 2: if you catch my meaning, if.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. Well, what I do is
Speaker 1: I go to eBay dot com. And by the way, people,
Speaker 1: nicotine is bad.
Speaker 2: It's just it's so bad.
Speaker 1: It's not good. And I'm joan endorsed nicotine. But now
Speaker 1: I found a new way to use it thanks to
Speaker 1: eBay and pat. So what I do is I go
Speaker 1: to eBay dot com. And here's the thing that a
Speaker 1: lot of people might not know. There are thousands of
Speaker 1: listings for dolls that are allegedly haunted, and every single
Speaker 1: week we feature a different doll. And this week we've
Speaker 1: got one for you that's a little spicy, if you
Speaker 1: can take it. It's a little it's a little sexy.
Speaker 1: It's currently for sale for one hundred and seventy five dollars.
Speaker 1: It does not have a name. Jiha, Can you show
Speaker 1: us that doll please?
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Okay, So it is definitely a Captain Jack Sparrow doll
Speaker 1: action figure something for sure. They don't really acknowledge that
Speaker 1: in this listing, but it is very much one.
Speaker 2: They don't say that, they won't say that's so funny, yeah,
Speaker 2: because it's truly not.
Speaker 1: It's very much Captain Jack Sparrow. This is what we
Speaker 1: call an incubus. Are you familiar with that term?
Speaker 2: Just the band?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a band, but it's a male sex demon
Speaker 1: is inside of this Oh my god, Captain Jack Sparrow doll.
Speaker 2: And can I guess that the haunting is that he's
Speaker 2: always his arm always lowers down to be as though
Speaker 2: it's jerking.
Speaker 1: I mean he does have an open like fist circle hand,
Speaker 1: you know the motion, and it is in front of
Speaker 1: his crotch. I'm not going to deny that. But these
Speaker 1: all come with a biography. And let me tell you
Speaker 1: a little bit about this doll. Okay, this vessel okay,
Speaker 1: is a doll, thank you? Is a male sex demon
Speaker 1: or an incubus, and will come to his owner when
Speaker 1: called to do so, or often comes in whimsical dreams
Speaker 1: when placed next to your bed. His personality is very
Speaker 1: friendly and playful. He loves an adventure and doing fun
Speaker 1: things with his keeper. He will come to you in
Speaker 1: dreams night after night where you two share fun adventures
Speaker 1: of his making. He is housed in this attractive, muscular
Speaker 1: male pirate doll, which personifies him and his attributes. His
Speaker 1: preference is women. His name and instructions on calling him
Speaker 1: are included. View the picks, especially look into his eyes
Speaker 1: to see if you connect with his sultry, cool, suave, playful,
Speaker 1: cheeky energy as often it can be seen and felt
Speaker 1: through photos, especially to the right person. Is he calling
Speaker 1: you okay?
Speaker 2: I will say something that's going on with his eyes
Speaker 2: where I do feel something?
Speaker 1: Ah?
Speaker 2: And do you feel a gaze?
Speaker 1: Well one hundred and seventy five dollars, I will say
Speaker 1: his preference is women. I have the way that that's
Speaker 1: written to me. It just means that's what he prefers.
Speaker 2: But yeah, he definitely I think is probably a hole,
Speaker 2: a whole type of guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, just get a wig, go three year
Speaker 1: old UCB stuff, find a wig.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's like I guess they're saying, like you
Speaker 2: put him near your bed and then you have dreams
Speaker 2: that he has sucks with you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, I think you got it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, in so many words.
Speaker 1: I think you got it. So one hundred and seventy
Speaker 1: five dollars that's.
Speaker 2: Quite a bit. So do people make a lot of
Speaker 2: money off of selling these dolls?
Speaker 1: It would seem. I mean, there's so many of them.
Speaker 1: I certainly give these people a platform and just kind
Speaker 1: of keep this thing going.
Speaker 2: Oh, they should absolutely give you a cut.
Speaker 1: Of course they should. Or I should just get into
Speaker 1: this business and start selling you know, Captain Jack Sparrowdell's.
Speaker 2: What do you think? I mean? Part of me is
Speaker 2: like this is some guy somewhere who has all these
Speaker 2: action figures. It's just also fun to me, like him,
Speaker 2: this doll is standing in front of this backdrop, like
Speaker 2: just writing these stories like and making a bunch of money, like.
Speaker 1: You know what me And like I will say, the
Speaker 1: cropping of this picture, like it's cropped so tightly in
Speaker 1: a way that like, yeah, you only do that if
Speaker 1: you're trying to hide something. And so I'm very curious
Speaker 1: what totally is being kept out of this picture.
Speaker 2: I do feel his eyes, but they're looking kind of
Speaker 2: away from me over my shoulder of course, right, but
Speaker 2: I'm quite drawn to it.
Speaker 1: Well, one hundred and seventy five dollars bad.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to buy it only because, like I'm
Speaker 2: not going to chase any more straight boys. But I
Speaker 2: do think he's cute.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he is cute. Well, anyway, can I play you
Speaker 1: some ghost voices?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's time for EVP.
Speaker 1: Or ev Please. Have you ever heard the term EVP executive?
Speaker 1: I mean totally, but yeah, it can also mean, I
Speaker 1: mean more professionally electronic voice phenomena okay, okay, which is
Speaker 1: what they call anytime a ghost is speaking and recorded.
Speaker 1: So you know, people can record these from any recording
Speaker 1: device really, but ghost hunter types will go out looking
Speaker 1: for ghosts and they'll record them speaking and then they
Speaker 1: put it on YouTube. And what I do is I
Speaker 1: have two of them for you today. Okay, I'm going
Speaker 1: to play them one at a time. I want you
Speaker 1: to tell me what you hear, and then I'll give
Speaker 1: you an ABCD one of them being the correct answer
Speaker 1: of what the ghost hunter believes it's saying. Okay, this
Speaker 1: first one is from a YouTube account called Philly ghost Hunt,
Speaker 1: and it is at the Holy Cross Cemetery in Yeden, Pennsylvania.
Speaker 1: What is this ghost saying?
Speaker 2: There's like a yelling, a screaming.
Speaker 1: Okay, so there's definitely like a condor or some kind
Speaker 1: of bird squawking in the background.
Speaker 2: Oh, I thought the bird squawking was the ghost talking.
Speaker 1: Now that's not the ghost talking. There's another voice. Okay, wait,
Speaker 1: let me hear it again.
Speaker 2: I can't hear a voice, I know, can you?
Speaker 1: Well, I can when you tell me that there's a
Speaker 1: voice and this is what it said. Oh but okay,
Speaker 1: so let me give you some options and then we'll
Speaker 1: listen again. Did they think it was a oh yes, sis,
Speaker 1: B that man is sick, C I want to sing?
Speaker 1: Or D yes I am sis. Maybe it was a
Speaker 1: cis gender person that wanted to know. Okay, it's one
Speaker 1: of those. Let me put it. So it's the dad.
Speaker 2: You've wit one more time. I have really bad hearing.
Speaker 2: I can't hear anything.
Speaker 1: No, it's not no, it's not you. It's not you.
Speaker 1: This is a hard one. Well, do you have a
Speaker 1: guess out of those?
Speaker 2: I think that man is sick.
Speaker 1: That is what they thought had said. Now that I
Speaker 1: know it says that man is sick, I can like
Speaker 1: kind of hear it.
Speaker 2: Okay, try one more time, that man is sick.
Speaker 1: Now one more time. Okay, here we go.
Speaker 2: I don't hear anything.
Speaker 1: It's probably a bird. Well they were at the grave
Speaker 1: site of the serial killer. Uh h h Holmes. So
Speaker 1: that's what they why they believed the ghosts said that
Speaker 1: man is sick.
Speaker 2: But were they sis?
Speaker 1: But just so you know, I am sis. Okay, here's
Speaker 1: another one. This is from sc p R a I
Speaker 1: on YouTube, also known as the South Carolina Paranormal Research
Speaker 1: and Investigations. This was at Heath Springs, which is in
Speaker 1: South Carolina. What is it saying?
Speaker 2: Okay, that's not funny.
Speaker 1: There's a little bit of boom boom banging, but yeah,
Speaker 1: there is a voice.
Speaker 2: I thought I said, that's not funny.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, it does sound a lot like that.
Speaker 2: At one of my comedy shows. There's one Pat Reagan's
Speaker 2: Dynasty Typewriter hour long comedy shows.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just a review. Okay, Well here's some options.
Speaker 1: Is it A?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: So fucking what? B you're so fun c that's so funny?
Speaker 2: Huh?
Speaker 1: Or d hey, what are we? How maybe it's kind
Speaker 1: of like what are we? You and I to each other? Okay,
Speaker 1: let's play it again. I mean, it's totally that's so funny.
Speaker 2: That's so funny, or for some reason I'm hearing that's
Speaker 2: not funny.
Speaker 1: But well see, but that's what I hear every time
Speaker 1: someone tells me that's not funny. I'm like, that's so funny. Oh,
Speaker 1: thank you.
Speaker 2: I guess that's so funny.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's definitely that's and funny. But we don't know
Speaker 1: how exactly this ghost feels.
Speaker 2: About this comedy routine that it is watching routine.
Speaker 1: I love that. All right, let's do one more thing.
Speaker 1: Since we're getting to know you and all your beliefs
Speaker 1: and thoughts on all these things, I'm just gonna give
Speaker 1: you a couple more little topics, and I'm just wondering
Speaker 1: if you have any thoughts or maybe a story or
Speaker 1: or anything. We'll just see what happens. Okay, what do
Speaker 1: you think of like deja vu or synchronicities, like things
Speaker 1: that happen. Do you read into it? Are you like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, it's a sign.
Speaker 2: I do have quite a relationship with deja vu? Where
Speaker 2: I get it a lot, and I think about it
Speaker 2: a lot, and I'm like, what does this mean? I honestly,
Speaker 2: what I usually think about it is that it speaks
Speaker 2: about the nonlinear nature of time that we are experiencing linearly.
Speaker 2: You know, everything's happening all at once. There is no
Speaker 2: linear time. But like we our brains only can experience
Speaker 2: time in a linear way, so we think one thing
Speaker 2: happens after the other thing and all this stuff, but
Speaker 2: actually everything's always happening, and there's some kind of slight
Speaker 2: little hiccup in that when all this kind of brains
Speaker 2: realizing like wait, no, that's not true, Like this is
Speaker 2: all happening at once, you know what I mean? Like
Speaker 2: that kind of thing is where I usually go with
Speaker 2: deja vu.
Speaker 1: This is the worst question ever to ask someone on
Speaker 1: the spot. But can you think of any time, like
Speaker 1: a specific time that this has happened to you?
Speaker 2: Deju is a classic one of those things where it's
Speaker 2: like you never remember when it was right. But I
Speaker 2: do have like profound moments of it. I'm sure I'll
Speaker 2: think of them like right after we finished, but I
Speaker 2: can't think of one right now.
Speaker 1: No, It's okay, what do you think of curses. Do
Speaker 1: you think that that's like a thing people can get cursed,
Speaker 1: put a curse on someone that cursed.
Speaker 2: I don't you know. When I was in like fourth grade,
Speaker 2: I went to this small Catholic elementary school where it
Speaker 2: was like all nuns teaching and stuff or not on nuns,
Speaker 2: but there were nuns teaching, and there was like a
Speaker 2: more alt girl in our grade, and she got her
Speaker 2: hands on like a book of Witchka, and so she
Speaker 2: started kind of a coven with like the four oldest
Speaker 2: girls in my grade. There was this little corner, like
Speaker 2: this kind of pocket of fence where it was like
Speaker 2: a little corner you couldn't really see, and that's where
Speaker 2: they would kind of meet up at recess to do
Speaker 2: their spells and curses. So I would sit around it
Speaker 2: and just listen to what they were doing. It's just
Speaker 2: out of curiosity because I found it quite interesting. And
Speaker 2: they were always doing, you know, these curses on these boys,
Speaker 2: and I did think to myself, like I very like
Speaker 2: pay attention and notice if these things come true, and
Speaker 2: they never did, so I was kind of like, well,
Speaker 2: maybe it's not real. But they were only like ten,
Speaker 2: so maybe they weren't.
Speaker 1: Doing it right, Yeah, that could be.
Speaker 2: And sometimes the spells would call for I even noticed
Speaker 2: at the moment, like I would hear them sitting like,
Speaker 2: well we don't have that, like let's just use this
Speaker 2: berry from this tree, and I was like, well that
Speaker 2: could scrub the whole it curs. So that was not
Speaker 2: only like attempt out a curse I've ever witnessed. I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't think I believe in curses.
Speaker 1: Do you think that they put a curse on you
Speaker 1: to make you lose things?
Speaker 2: Maybe because that Chris would really have that would be
Speaker 2: truly proof that crises are real?
Speaker 1: Did they ever get in trouble?
Speaker 2: So it was a huge scandal. I bet what happened
Speaker 2: was teachers got wind. It was actually quite literary because
Speaker 2: like teachers got wind that there was a group of
Speaker 2: girls in the fifth grade doing what and it was
Speaker 2: either for their fourth actually it might have been fully
Speaker 2: seventh grade. I don't remember, because the school was the
Speaker 2: first grade to eighth grade, so they all kind of
Speaker 2: melt together. But what I do remember is that like
Speaker 2: it was taken very seriously because it was like a
Speaker 2: Catholic school and it was taken as like an affront
Speaker 2: to Jesus Christ, of course, and so girls started getting
Speaker 2: called down to the office to be questioned, and it
Speaker 2: was like literally like an active witch hunt. We all
Speaker 2: went I had to go down to the gym and
Speaker 2: like stand on this line, and the principal like paced
Speaker 2: up and down the line and was like, whoever is
Speaker 2: doing this is like spinning in the face of God
Speaker 2: and of Jesus Christ. And it was like so serious.
Speaker 2: And then they found the witches and they got suspended,
Speaker 2: but like there was four of them and then but
Speaker 2: it was a kind of a five person friend group.
Speaker 2: But one of the girls like wasn't one of the witches.
Speaker 2: Just because she was friends, she literally got like associated
Speaker 2: with them, and she even got suspended and they ought
Speaker 2: to pack their bags and she was sobbing crying, and
Speaker 2: I just always remember like she was like leaving the
Speaker 2: room with her backpack and she turned into screamed at
Speaker 2: the whole class and even the teacher.
Speaker 1: And she was like, I am not a witch.
Speaker 2: But it was so funny. It was so funny because
Speaker 2: it was so real.
Speaker 1: She was just an ally to the way, Now, have
Speaker 1: you kept up with any of them?
Speaker 2: No, actually one of them, like I wasn't in office,
Speaker 2: actually the falsely accused witch. We both worked briefly at
Speaker 2: True TV in like two thousand and fourteen, and like
Speaker 2: I would see her in the coffee room.
Speaker 1: Was she practicing?
Speaker 2: I think she was practicing.
Speaker 1: No, she was gathered around the coffee pot like it was.
Speaker 2: Like a cauldron, double double toilet in trouble.
Speaker 1: Okay, that was actually an unexpected, amazing story. Let's just
Speaker 1: do one more. What do you think of past lives.
Speaker 2: I do believe in past lives, and that's also sometimes
Speaker 2: where I go with deja vu. But I mainly believe
Speaker 2: in past lives because, like I do generally meet generally women,
Speaker 2: like I'll meet certain women and it just feels like
Speaker 2: I've known them forever in this way where I'm like,
Speaker 2: certainly there's this instant familiarity, like is so different than
Speaker 2: when I'm meeting a new person. And so for that reason,
Speaker 2: I always believe those people I knew in like past
Speaker 2: lives and stuff.
Speaker 1: See, but what I've gathered from the first time I
Speaker 1: met you, I was like, oh, we're just jumping right in. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you were just like let's just talk about everything.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but maybe we were past lives. I do have
Speaker 2: well because I can be so socially uncomfortable and I
Speaker 2: can be so hesitant with new people, except for sometimes
Speaker 2: I'm not and I always talk up to like some
Speaker 2: kind of past life knowledge.
Speaker 1: Interesting. But do you have any idea of what you
Speaker 1: were or anything?
Speaker 2: No, I'm almost certain I was like female and like
Speaker 2: an eccentric in some way, and probably like that. I
Speaker 2: don't know more than that. I've never gone to like
Speaker 2: a place and gotten told. But I think or like
Speaker 2: literally like a woman in like a small provincial town
Speaker 2: who is very into gossip, I could see myself having
Speaker 2: been Oh.
Speaker 1: Fun, Yeah, just imagine like before the Internet and stuff like,
Speaker 1: but like way back when, like gossip probably really would
Speaker 1: get out of hand because it's like we got nothing.
Speaker 1: We don't even have magazines. Hey guess what?
Speaker 2: And and Jane Austin laughed all the way to the
Speaker 2: bank with it.
Speaker 1: Thank you. Someone needed to say that. Yeah, well, pat
Speaker 1: this has been lovely. You definitely have an open mind
Speaker 1: to all this and and it's fun to ponder with you.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for oz Tell people where you
Speaker 2: want them to find you. You can find me on
Speaker 2: Instagram at pat Reeg's p A t or E egs,
Speaker 2: and you can listen to podcast Seek Treatment with Cam
Speaker 2: Pat that Raz has an episode coming out very soon on.
Speaker 1: We talk about dating, boys, sex, fucking, dating and love.
Speaker 2: It's extensive aout boy sexalt in love. But depending on
Speaker 2: where we are in our journeys, sometimes it's about what
Speaker 2: we eat for lunch.
Speaker 1: Okay, well, thank you, thank you so much, Thank you
Speaker 1: so much to Pat Reagan. Hey, I'd love to see
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