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Speaker 2: All my life, grinding all my life, sacrifice, hustle bag

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Speaker 2: the price, one slice, got the brother of Geist swap

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Speaker 2: all my life. I've been grinding all my life all

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Speaker 2: bag to price is one slight, not the brother dieyst.

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Speaker 1: The swap all my life.

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Speaker 2: I've been grinding all my life.

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Speaker 3: Hello, welcome to another edition of Club Shane Shae. I

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Speaker 3: I knew I had to land someone big. He's not big,

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Speaker 3: he's huge. He's genormous. He's a legendary sports journalist, a

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Speaker 4: Bro, we're here, we're here, but you.

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Speaker 5: Keep not bracelet. I would get over the time.

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Speaker 1: Ain't know I could break anything on you.

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Speaker 5: Right there?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Bro, I mean I don't if I'm gonna be

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Speaker 5: Bro, how you doing?

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Speaker 1: It's good to see bro, How you doing? Be here?

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Speaker 5: I'm here.

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Speaker 3: I need you to tell the people what you went

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Speaker 3: through because you promised me this, because we've been trying

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Speaker 3: night and I said, Stephen, and can you do Tuesday

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Speaker 5: And you said, I do it.

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Speaker 3: But I want you to tell the people the lengths

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Speaker 5: At Nowton.

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Speaker 1: Well, what happened is is that my pastor for the

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Speaker 1: had a fundraising event at a golf tournament in Long Island, right,

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Speaker 1: and so they were honoring me the night before I

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Speaker 1: I don't play, so obviously I have to embarrass myself

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Speaker 1: nothing I know, but for every one good shot I hit,

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Speaker 1: I hit about about five to ten bad shots or whatever.

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Speaker 1: But then after I did that, I promised you I

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Speaker 1: I am bro that's love. I really appreciate that.

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Speaker 3: I know you talk about your pastor, but everybody that

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Speaker 3: That's right, And I need to get you a bottle

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Speaker 1: Around with that, I mean, he know, I could get

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Speaker 3: What I want to told you, Bro, because you paid

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Speaker 1: That's something that's near and dear to my heart. I've

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Speaker 6: So I understood the climb.

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Speaker 1: I understood the obstacles that I had to that I

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Speaker 3: Did you always want to go to an HBCU or

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Speaker 3: it just it just happened.

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Speaker 6: Bro it just happened.

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Speaker 1: I didn't even know what an HBCU was until they

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Speaker 3: I heard about the United Negro College Funds, That's what

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Speaker 5: That's what I'm like. All I knew it was the

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Speaker 3: And you know what, I caught a lot of criticism

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Speaker 1: He said, son, if you good, they'll find you. He said.

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Speaker 3: If I was drafting, he said, I'll take you no

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Speaker 3: He convinced me. And when I had an opportunity to

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Speaker 1: I well, I will tell you this, it's like and

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Speaker 1: God just don't understand. They just don't understand. I mean,

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Speaker 3: That band played the whole game. It ain't know where

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Speaker 5: And everybody's coming back from twenty.

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Speaker 1: He's bring They tell you something, Man, I listen, you've

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Speaker 1: ain't never heard me complaining about going to HBC. No, no, no, no.

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Speaker 1: It's the greatest experience I've ever had in my life.

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Speaker 1: Let me tell you something right now. I had a

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Speaker 5: Yes?

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Speaker 1: I have, yes, I mean right down the blood, that's

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Speaker 3: Okay, literally just started. And look, Atlanta has always been Atlanta.

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Speaker 1: It just exploded in.

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Speaker 3: The last twenty but Atlanta was back Atlanta back in

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Speaker 1: Like that, how about that? And then on top of

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Speaker 1: If you're going down, you're going I eighty five, you're

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Speaker 1: you're passing HBCUs. Yes. So it's like, yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: And it reminded me of what Professor Caravan said to

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Speaker 3: Everybody can't talk on camera, everybody can't speak in front

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Speaker 1: This is what they want to hear. This is what

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Speaker 1: All right, Steve, it's time to jump in a Steve

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Speaker 1: It's not me, it's not you, it's the show. And

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Speaker 1: That's how I'm thinking, right and or now that it

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Speaker 3: See for me, I got look, I know what everybody's

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Speaker 1: Show the world that what you wanted on Twitter. Then

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Speaker 3: know what he's gonna say, right, you don't know what

436
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Speaker 3: everybody's gonna say. But sometimes he just it just happens.

437
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Speaker 3: A moment happens. How much is just reactionary or because

438
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Speaker 3: like I said, you have a lot of different You

439
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Speaker 3: have mad Dog, you have Ryan Clark, you have d O,

440
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Speaker 3: you have swag Goo.

441
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Speaker 5: You have so many different people.

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Speaker 3: So it's hard to get a beat or rhythm to

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Speaker 3: what they're gonna say if.

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Speaker 1: You don't know them, okay, and if you don't know

445
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Speaker 1: the audience okay. And so what happens is I know

446
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Speaker 1: what the audience wants from Ryan Clark, I know what

447
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Speaker 1: it wants from swag Oul. I know what it wants

448
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Speaker 1: from Molly. I know what it wants from Mad Dog.

449
00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:04,520
Speaker 1: I know what it was from Latsky. I know what

450
00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:08,119
Speaker 1: it wants from Shannon Sharp for the purposes of that show.

451
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Speaker 1: And so I'm looking at Shannon Sharp and I'm like,

452
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Speaker 1: and three times Super Bowl champion. That's one of the

453
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Speaker 1: greatest tight ends in NFL history. That's a Hall of Famer,

454
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Speaker 1: And damn it, he laughed, and he's boisterous. He gonna

455
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Speaker 1: come right at you and all of this other stuff. Okay,

456
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Speaker 1: this is what they want, and this is what they're

457
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Speaker 1: going to get right now. You don't want to give

458
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Speaker 1: it to them too much all in one bowl, right,

459
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Speaker 1: Want spread it out, he says, want s freaking it out.

460
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Speaker 1: You want a little bit here, a little bit there.

461
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Speaker 1: All right, it's ten, ten fifteen o'clock. Boom, ten fifteen,

462
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Speaker 1: Here we come. Do Momentum is swelling all of a sudden.

463
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Speaker 1: That might be a little bit too much. Might want

464
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Speaker 1: dollar back a little bit because we're coming at eleven.

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Speaker 1: Men might come in at eleven fifteen. Help, we're coming

466
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Speaker 1: at eleven thirty. See That's how I'm thinking. So it's like, okay, yeah,

467
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Speaker 1: I want you to shine, and I want you to.

468
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Speaker 1: I want you to beat you because I'm gonna beat me, right,

469
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Speaker 1: And so here we come and the audience is watching.

470
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Speaker 1: How do you know that because you paid attention to

471
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Speaker 1: the audience, You're not sitting up there manipulating them. You're

472
00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:09,359
Speaker 1: not disrespecting them. You're showing them you appreciate them because

473
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Speaker 1: you're paying attention to what they're telling you and showing

474
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Speaker 1: you they want a lot of times you have talent

475
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Speaker 1: and it's like, listen, this is my lane and there's

476
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Speaker 1: something to be said about that where you know who

477
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Speaker 1: you are and you know what you bring. That's not

478
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Speaker 1: to be disrespected, that's to be appreciated. Okay, here's his strength.

479
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Speaker 1: Well if I have a different strength, how do I

480
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Speaker 1: get to compliment that so he can shine while we shine?

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Speaker 1: That is the objective when you're trying to win, and

482
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Speaker 1: it's applicable on a football field, on a quarter play,

483
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Speaker 1: or on a television set. But how many people are

484
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Speaker 1: thinking like that? I'll tell you who. The winners think

485
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Speaker 1: like that, the losers don't. It's very simple.

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Speaker 5: You know what.

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Speaker 3: I want to address some comments that you said, because

488
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Speaker 3: you said condolence is in advance yep, he's the modern

489
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Speaker 3: day black hole.

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Speaker 5: He's not used to getting beat down. Welcome to the

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Speaker 5: beat down.

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Speaker 1: Well, let me tell you, let me elaborate. First of all,

493
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Speaker 1: obviously I was abou physically. I got no shot. I

494
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Speaker 1: got no shot. I mean, let's get that out the

495
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Speaker 1: way right now. Let's get that out of the way

496
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Speaker 1: right now. Saying let's get that out of the way

497
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Speaker 1: right now. I will not talk about back. I got

498
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Speaker 1: no shot whatsoever. But you know, I've seen you. I've

499
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Speaker 1: seen you debate quite all. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and I'm

500
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Speaker 1: you could do your thing. But you know you ain't

501
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Speaker 1: never been up against me. You say this little a

502
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Speaker 1: little different going up against me. You see what happens

503
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Speaker 1: is you got people that are trying to win the debate,

504
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Speaker 1: to be right, false. It's about your perspective up against mine,

505
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Speaker 1: and who can convince the audience their perspective is better

506
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Speaker 1: than the next. That's what it's about. You see a

507
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Speaker 1: lot of times somebody get like somebody that is a

508
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Speaker 1: mistake to argue with Shannon's shop about the facts of football.

509
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Speaker 1: You don't do that, not if you didn't play Oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, please,

510
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Speaker 1: you got no shot. But you can't go like she

511
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Speaker 1: knows something.

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Speaker 6: I was really nice.

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Speaker 1: I heard what you said, but you see you said

514
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Speaker 1: this two weeks ago. That not consistent with what I

515
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Speaker 1: just heard. You saw this game right there? Now, I'm

516
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Speaker 1: not you, but damn it, I got two eyes. I

517
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Speaker 1: saw that.

518
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Speaker 5: Are you telling me what I saw was a lot? Really?

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Speaker 1: You're sure about that? What did you say this a

520
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Speaker 1: year ago? You see? These are the kind of things

521
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:24,479
Speaker 1: like you know you obviously you know you love yourself

522
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Speaker 1: some Lebron James. Yeah, yeah, he's not. I just got

523
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Speaker 1: the foll with them JA to remind hung up on that. Yeah,

524
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Speaker 1: the blastph for me coming out of your mouth. Right,

525
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Speaker 1: It's okay, you can believe that. You can believe that,

526
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:43,639
Speaker 1: but we'll do.

527
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Speaker 3: I'm sure you know what the first Lebron topic, right,

528
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Speaker 3: don't need to be nobody.

529
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Speaker 1: Here's what's gonna hurt you. Here's what's gonna hurt you

530
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:56,360
Speaker 1: because you see when you're talking like that, people but

531
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Speaker 1: that No, I'm gonna sit back and let you do,

532
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,720
Speaker 1: and then I'm gonna say you finish, are you figuring sure? No?

533
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 1: And you're gonna be like nah, And I'm gonna say

534
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,800
Speaker 1: you gotta wait now because I waited. Here I come,

535
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Speaker 1: and you're gonna have to deal with the tsunami that

536
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:14,720
Speaker 1: I'm gonna bring. I'm gonna rain down upon you when

537
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Speaker 1: it comes, especially to that up here, and that's what's it,

538
00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:24,160
Speaker 1: and that'she You're gonna have to listen, Lebron, Listen. I

539
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 1: got this man. The game was started in nineteen forty seven.

540
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Speaker 1: I got Lebron James. The thousands of players that have

541
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Speaker 1: played in the NBA, I got him number two all time.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

543
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you got people walking around like that's disrespect it is.

544
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Speaker 1: I got a number. See see that's the motion.

545
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:48,199
Speaker 5: That's a much right there.

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Speaker 1: Listen, let me tell you that right now, I personally

547
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Speaker 1: believe a legitimate argument could be made that I'm sitting

548
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Speaker 1: in front of the greatest tight end in the history

549
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Speaker 1: of football. Some people bring in Gronk, Tony Gonzalez, other

550
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:02,560
Speaker 1: players them in Travis kelf course, but you're in the

551
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Speaker 1: conversation yourself, and you know because you're breathren. I mean,

552
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 1: they give you my love and respect, right, I can

553
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:10,640
Speaker 1: say that. But my point to you is is that

554
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Speaker 1: if somebody said you weren't number one, you don't feeling

555
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:17,480
Speaker 1: so so why you got to be insult to the

556
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Speaker 1: buildings because that's the motion.

557
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Speaker 3: But go see, you told me your storm was coming.

558
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,160
Speaker 3: See your storm happened for nine years, then took two

559
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Speaker 3: years off, and it happened for three years and took

560
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Speaker 3: another three years off, and then it kind of just

561
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Speaker 3: was like drizzling my thought storm being going for twenty

562
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Speaker 3: one years raining.

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Speaker 1: You could say that that my retort to that would

564
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 1: be six NBA Finals losses, six final losses, six finals losses.

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Speaker 3: I just want you to tell me one thing, and

566
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Speaker 3: were going to make this sure, tell me the team

567
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Speaker 3: that he faced that was the twenty seventeen or the

568
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Speaker 3: twenty eighteen Golden State Warriors.

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Speaker 1: What you mean, I don't want to say your question

570
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Speaker 1: Michael Jordan.

571
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Speaker 5: Tell me the team with Michael Jordans.

572
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Speaker 3: I want you to tell me the team that Michael

573
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Speaker 3: Jordan faced that was the equivalent of the seventeen eighteen.

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Speaker 1: No one can I respond to that? Sure?

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Speaker 6: Can I say why?

576
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Speaker 1: No? One? Do you know why? Because none?

577
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 1: That's exactly what okay, cee cee. See that's the ultimate

579
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Speaker 1: equalizer or usurper picked whichever one you want to. You

580
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:21,919
Speaker 1: want to pick. You understand that Jordan is six and

581
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Speaker 1: ohe NBA frontals. You understand that Jordan was m v

582
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Speaker 1: P O six NBA frontal. Do you understand that Jordan

583
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:29,200
Speaker 1: never even allowed a final series to go seven games?

584
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:31,240
Speaker 1: Said it never win seven game?

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Speaker 3: Also, I also know he just started going to the finals

586
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 3: because I burned back excusually.

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Speaker 1: Ten time NBA scoring Champion, nine time All Defensive Player,

588
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Speaker 1: All the Defensive First Team. You do know that, right? Yeah? So,

589
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,400
Speaker 1: so in other words, it was Lebron on both sides

590
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Speaker 1: of ball? Was he that dominant? Oh?

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Speaker 6: He was?

592
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Speaker 5: You know he should have won it?

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Speaker 1: You know he should want you are you kidding me?

594
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Speaker 1: I give me this?

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Speaker 3: You know, Goodwell, Lebron James should have one defensive Player

596
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Speaker 3: of the year. How do how does margins All, who's

597
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 3: the second team All Defensive player, be defensive Player of

598
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Speaker 3: the Year.

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Speaker 6: I agree with that.

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Speaker 1: I agree with that. But the flip side to it

601
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 1: is that as we watched Lebron James, even with his

602
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 1: greatness at one point in time as a defensive player,

603
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,400
Speaker 1: we never looked at him and said, oh my god,

604
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 1: that's that dude. Defensively you had you had no Lebron

605
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 1: is universally respected and revered. Mj was feared. You know

606
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 1: the difference. You know the difference because there are people

607
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,639
Speaker 1: who have feared you. You know the difference better than me.

608
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 1: You know the difference between reverence and fear.

609
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:39,920
Speaker 5: Look, you know this. You like John Wick.

610
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 1: I like James John can I have jameson, but you

611
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 1: could be John Wacke. I preferred James Bond.

612
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 3: John shot up the whole place, kill everybody. Okay, James

613
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:51,679
Speaker 3: Bond killed a few people, but got the ladies.

614
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:56,159
Speaker 1: They do the same. That's right. Was walking talking out

615
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 1: the ocean and he said, magnificent Deale. Remember that this

616
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:01,880
Speaker 1: smaller and that was where you know that that's that's

617
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 1: stuff and stuff like Pierce Bronston. But you know Daniel

618
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:10,160
Speaker 1: Craig of course, Sean Connery demand Okay, I mean I'm

619
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Speaker 1: trying to say the versatility of James Bond is with

620
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Speaker 1: Jans and you could say that, but could.

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Speaker 5: Guard one through five. You seen him do it.

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Speaker 1: I'm not denying that park on one end and at

623
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Speaker 1: last five minutes I got timmy. I also saw him

624
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Speaker 1: get checked when Jason Terry was guarding him in the post.

625
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 1: And his finals against Dallas you going to deny that. No, Okay, then,

626
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 1: so that's your question. Has there ever been a time

627
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 1: when Michael Jordan showed up in an NBA finals and

628
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 1: you literally looked at him and said, yo, he show up.

629
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Speaker 3: Playing nobody. Let me ask your question. I'm gonna do

630
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 3: you like this here? Tell me the guy that he

631
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 3: faced that deal were the equivalent of Kevin Durant and Jordan.

632
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 1: Well, I was. I wouldn't say. I wouldn't say the

633
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 1: equivalent of of Kevin Durant. But let's go down the list.

634
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Speaker 1: He beat Magic for his first time back.

635
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 5: What's seventy three?

636
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Speaker 1: Okay, I find I'm going I'm going down the list

637
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Speaker 1: the list. I didn't hear you say that when Magic

638
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 1: was here, but we're talking about you.

639
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 5: Didn't say that.

640
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 1: What Magic was.

641
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 5: The man on the ninth nine.

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00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 1: Finals And I feel you on that. And by the

643
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 1: way he took wasn't Kareem and worthy, but.

644
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Speaker 3: You saw what he did. But joined in the first

645
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 3: game put a triple double on in the head and

646
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 3: put on it. That's cool, Okay, say he backed them

647
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 3: made look like Kareem Tom Will Jones fit.

648
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 1: That's fair. Michael Joe, I'm sorry Magic Johnson, the first title,

649
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 1: Clyde Drexler and the Crew, the second title, Charles Barkley,

650
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Speaker 1: Kevin Johnson, don't ignore that, Damn Mally and them. The

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Speaker 1: third Okay, okay, Peyton the Glove with Sean Camp and

652
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Speaker 1: also you've got call Malone John Stockton, and you have

653
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Speaker 1: an NBA game that was considerably tougher at that particular

654
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Speaker 1: moment in time than today's NBA game is in terms

655
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Speaker 1: of physicality and what's allowed.

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Speaker 5: Yes, so you can appreciate this. You can. I appreciate

657
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Speaker 5: that before you could.

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Speaker 1: Put your when you could put your four onmre people,

659
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Speaker 1: when you can hand check them, when you can do

660
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Speaker 1: a lot of things you can't do now right now

661
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Speaker 1: you get caught for passing gas.

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Speaker 5: You will, But it's a different game now, Okay, what you.

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Speaker 3: And the Old school Guard have equated physicality with talent

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Speaker 3: and skill, the gathering the game more skilled.

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Speaker 1: I totally agree with that. I totally agree with that.

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Speaker 1: But you would know this better than me because you

667
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Speaker 1: were an all world player. Even though the game of

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Speaker 1: the NFL has evolved significantly. You know good and damn

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Speaker 1: well that if you were playing in this time, Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: you would have adapted. Yes, you played in that time,

671
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Speaker 1: you adapted the game in the sixties and seventies, you

672
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Speaker 1: would have adapted to no time. So what I'm trying

673
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Speaker 1: to say to you is this, Michael Jordan was what

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Speaker 1: he needed to be. If he was playing today, he

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Speaker 1: would be what he needed to be in order to

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Speaker 1: be successful today. That's all I'm trying to say. When

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Speaker 1: you see greatness on that level, you have to concede

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Speaker 1: that that's the case.

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Speaker 3: But see all they asked Michael do with the cook

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Speaker 3: Lebron had to cook, he had to clean, he had

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Speaker 3: to wait tables to take order.

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Speaker 1: Well, you could say that, But what I'm saying that

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Speaker 1: if the brother's doing it on both sides of the Florida,

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Speaker 1: then obviously he's doing more than one thing.

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Speaker 5: He's doing that too.

686
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Speaker 3: But how many guys you know that on top five

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Speaker 3: and Top five?

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Speaker 1: How about this? How about once you Quille O'Neil with

689
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Speaker 1: Penny Hardaway, Nick Anderson, three D, Dennis Scott and those boys, Yeah,

690
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Speaker 1: going Orlando, right, how about the fact that they could

691
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Speaker 1: even get the ball pass half court because Scottie Pippen

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Speaker 1: and Michael Jordan had him on locket.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, with full Corp press.

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Speaker 1: We end never see Lebron do that.

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Speaker 5: We never see Lebron do that.

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Speaker 1: Bron that you stop it. He never did it. You remember,

697
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Speaker 1: he never did it.

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Speaker 5: You remember with d Rose with the MVP, y'all voted

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Speaker 5: d Roll the m v P. What do.

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Speaker 1: Excuse me? Excuse me, d Rose? What kind of team

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Speaker 1: did ye? You come? Tell me know? Whing those boys wasppoint?

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Speaker 5: They did enough to get the number one seed. That

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Speaker 5: so what you're a.

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Speaker 1: I voted him in VP and still picked Miami to

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Speaker 1: win that series. I knew they want to go be

706
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Speaker 1: Miami in the Best of seventh. The playoffs are different,

707
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Speaker 1: all right, But that don't mean Lebron deserve the MVP.

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Speaker 1: I know. By the way, I don't even knock Lebron

709
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Speaker 1: James for not getting the MVP, because when you're that great,

710
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Speaker 1: you're not gonna put all your efforts in over eighty

711
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Speaker 1: two games. You're playing for April Man and ju So

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Speaker 1: this is entirely plausible. I'm very fair of Lebron jaf

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Speaker 1: your dollars sometimes most times, most times, actually I say

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Speaker 1: all it's just that I call it like I see it.

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Speaker 6: I'm not emotional like you.

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Speaker 3: No no, I I like, you know what, I got

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Speaker 3: a call to day for one Michael Jordan.

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Speaker 5: He rolled up on me in a black ass uva

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Speaker 5: the winter.

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Speaker 1: That's true, that's true. Yeah, I was scary. I thought

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Speaker 1: he was. I thought I thought it was a drive

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Speaker 1: it was in them drive by. Scared of living hell

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Speaker 1: out of me. You still say that, mean that's that,

724
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Speaker 1: That's an absolutely true story. But at the end of

725
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Speaker 1: the day, all I'm trying to say is that Lebron

726
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Speaker 1: is phenomenal. He's great. We should throw no shade on him.

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Speaker 1: One of the greatest ever Top B top three, you

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Speaker 1: say it, one of pH He will never be greater

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Speaker 1: than Jordan to me. But more importantly, let's go to

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Speaker 1: Koreem Nineteen time All Star, six time league MVP champion

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Speaker 1: on the high school left champion, champion in the NBA. Okay,

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Speaker 1: good lord at Merka Fall, time leading scorer before Lebron's

733
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Speaker 1: had passed him, all of that stuff happened. I'm just saying,

734
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Speaker 1: come on now, the resume is better, But I still

735
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Speaker 1: don't believe he was the player that Lebron James is.

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Speaker 1: All right, But what I hold, and I'll say this

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Speaker 1: to you, I'll tell you something that I've very really said.

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Speaker 1: If you took Lebron james career from twenty twelve to now,

739
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Speaker 1: and that was his history from his first title to

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Speaker 1: what he is now, and you wanted to make an

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Speaker 1: argument against Jordan, I'm listening. The problem is we don't

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Speaker 1: get to ignore those first seven or eight years where

743
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Speaker 1: there were a couple of occasions where one he was

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Speaker 1: accused of quitting and number and I don't believe that.

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Speaker 1: By no, I don't believe that you are drunkard. No no, no,

746
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Speaker 1: no no, I'm talking about this. God, I got you,

747
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Speaker 1: but I feel you. But it's true, but it's still

748
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Speaker 1: excusing drunken. But the point is against Boston, I don't

749
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Speaker 1: believe that it was a lot of stuff going on

750
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Speaker 1: in Braun. That's none of our business. That people they

751
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Speaker 1: were totally unfair to him, including his damn teammates. But

752
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Speaker 1: that's a different story for another day. I never held

753
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Speaker 1: that against him. But when you got four games against

754
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Speaker 1: the Dallas Mavericks in which people looked at you and said, choke,

755
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Speaker 1: you know what you cannot get past I can't.

756
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Speaker 3: I can't argue that I can't.

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Speaker 1: And that to me, that to me sealed the deal

758
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Speaker 1: about the MJ Lebron companion.

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Speaker 3: So what what what if he were to win a

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Speaker 3: title this year, thirty nine years of.

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Speaker 1: Age, So so that going to race Jordan?

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Speaker 3: That interesting that you go see, that's the argument that

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Speaker 3: people have when I was talking about Tom Brady not

764
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Speaker 3: playing well, I'm not trying to take away with Jordan's accomplished.

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Speaker 3: I agree, he got those rings, he got six finals MVP,

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Speaker 3: he has six championship, he has five.

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Speaker 1: Regular season MVP.

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Speaker 3: Right if Lebron gets another title stephen A, I'm not

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Speaker 3: gonna raise what Jordan did, but he already he already

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Speaker 3: here from me. Okay, all he doing is just.

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Speaker 1: But but what I'm saying to you is I already

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Speaker 1: talked about the Dallas thing, and I talked about moments

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Speaker 1: which you can appreciate. What I'm trying to say to

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Speaker 1: you is that when you are that dude, that doesn't

775
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Speaker 1: happen to you often that happened to Magic when they

776
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Speaker 1: called them tragic, because yeah, four you get all of

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Speaker 1: that under sad I'm saying, but for the most part,

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Speaker 1: that doesn't happen. And this is the kind of thing

779
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Speaker 1: that you also have to pay attention to as well.

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Speaker 1: Not only do you not get to say that about Jordan,

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Speaker 1: but when you look at Lebron, think about this. You

782
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Speaker 1: want me to tell you what I hold against him,

783
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Speaker 1: just as much as I held against the Dallas before me.

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Speaker 1: What the following year with the All Star Game, you

785
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Speaker 1: got the ball in your hands. It's an exhibition. It's

786
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Speaker 1: an exhibition. It doesn't count. It's all in fun. Kobe

787
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 1: claps his hand, God Rest his soul. He's like, yo, listen,

788
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Speaker 1: come on, wait, you got d Wade on the court,

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Speaker 1: you got Mellow in the corner, and he threw the

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Speaker 1: past and all three of them, along with Kobe, descended

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Speaker 1: on Lebron and said, yo, what's up what you're doing?

792
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 1: Because they knew he was psyched out, he was messed up.

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Speaker 1: And what I'm saying to you is that Kobe wasn't

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Speaker 1: like that. MJ wasn't like that. It's d Wade wasn't

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Speaker 1: like that. In his first NBA Finals appearance, they down

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Speaker 1: owe to the Dallas. E Wade goes berserk, averages thirty

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Speaker 1: seven in the last four games. I'm just saying this

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Speaker 1: stuff like that. It's not that you look at Lebron

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Speaker 1: and you diminish him. It's just that you can't elevate

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Speaker 1: him above somebody like MJ. When I got that evidence

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Speaker 1: to support my argument, that's all, and that's why I

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Speaker 1: got him number two author on God strike me down.

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Speaker 1: I mean, my lord, I mean what it is. So,

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Speaker 1: I mean, the number two all time in the history

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Speaker 1: of the game. And it's an insult.

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Speaker 4: Only you and Rich Paul and people like that feel

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00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,800
Speaker 4: that way, most of us saying individuals know better.

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Speaker 5: No, let me ask you this.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you and I have conversation, and people like, well,

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Speaker 3: how closely you're Stephen there? I said, I met him

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Speaker 3: in twenty fourteen when I came on the show. I said,

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Speaker 3: we've talked over the here, we exchanged numbers, and we've

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Speaker 3: talked over the years. But I said, over the last

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Speaker 3: year and a half or so, I was going through

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Speaker 3: some things and he was the one guy that was

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Speaker 3: in this business that I felt I could talk to.

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Speaker 3: It would stay between us, but he would give me

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Speaker 3: sound advice. And so now you have your thing with

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Speaker 3: First Take. You you are the voice, you are the

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Speaker 3: face of First Take, You're the first face of ESPN.

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Speaker 5: What made you reach out say, bro, I want.

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Speaker 1: You because I got love for you, bro, and' that's

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Speaker 1: just me being a man and speaking his two brothers.

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Speaker 1: You know, you know our former boss at first Take,

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Speaker 1: Jamie Hardwiz, who was over brought you over that first

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Speaker 1: one and all of that, and he knows my history,

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Speaker 1: he knows what I stand for. I remember when I

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Speaker 1: first You can ask him. I remember when I first

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Speaker 1: arrived on first Take and I rolled up in there

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Speaker 1: and I saw a bunch of white folks, and I said, Yo,

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Speaker 1: we're the brothers and the sisters that you don't think

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna be sitting here working with a bunch of

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Speaker 1: white folks, do you? I don't mind white folks. I

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Speaker 1: ain't got nothing against y'all. God bless you. You understand saying

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Speaker 1: we all brothers and sisters the eyes of God. When

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, dumb but you ain't gonna just

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Speaker 1: have me surrounded by a bunch of lily white folks.

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Speaker 1: You better sprinkle sprinkle some in. And so you know,

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Speaker 1: he brought one. And then the next thing, you know,

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Speaker 1: I picked two or three others and made sure to

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Speaker 1: diversify that staff. And then one of the things that

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Speaker 1: I did when I came in there. I knew Skip

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Speaker 1: was going to want to debate me and whatever, but

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Speaker 1: I was talking about subject matters that we needed to

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Speaker 1: broach because it was still his show. But he respected

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Speaker 1: me enough to get my opinion, and I was like, look,

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Speaker 1: we need all of these other people because I want voices,

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Speaker 1: and I'm just I'm built. What I mean by that

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Speaker 1: is there's no shade on you, on anybody else. But

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Speaker 1: I don't believe anybody's knocking me off my perch. I

851
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 1: will knock me off my perch. You know, corporate stuff,

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00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 1: bureaucratic stuff, that's stuff you can't you know. But I'm

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Speaker 1: talking about in terms of my own air performance, my

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Speaker 1: job performance. I don't worry about it. You know what

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Speaker 1: I worry about the day that I want to leave.

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Speaker 1: And I haven't done anything to create opportunities for us

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Speaker 1: to continue. And so for me, it's like I look

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Speaker 1: at you, I think that you're smart, You're obviously incredibly accomplished.

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Speaker 1: You ain't gonna never hear me say no disrespect to anybody,

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Speaker 1: not to bring up nothing. Ain't gonna never hear me

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Speaker 1: say three super Bowl championships, a Hall of Fame status

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Speaker 1: don't mean nothing. I don't roll like that. That's not

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Speaker 1: who I am. I'm the kind of person that I

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Speaker 1: argue with you about football, but I want the audience

865
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 1: to know, Yo, you the football expert, right, not me.

866
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 1: I'm the reporter that walks in and I'm like, this

867
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 1: what I saw, and tell me I'm wrong. This is

868
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 1: what I'm seeing. Tell me I'm row. This is where

869
00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 1: I'm comforting. Just like me and you talking about that.

870
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:00,800
Speaker 1: I know you. I don't give damn how much basketball.

871
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 1: You know, you'll know no more of basketball than me.

872
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:04,839
Speaker 1: I've been coming. I learned from living legends and all

873
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:06,239
Speaker 1: this stuff. But I still want to hear what you

874
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 1: have to say. If you can listen to me talk

875
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 1: to football, why the hell can I listen to you

876
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 1: talk about basketball? And so all of that and then

877
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 1: your heart being conscientious brother, caring about the issues that

878
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 1: you're caring about, speaking about the issues that you speak about. Now, brothers,

879
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 1: iron sharpens iron, and yeah, I got mad Dog Russo

880
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 1: that's white. I got Dan Olofski. That's a white dude.

881
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 1: You see what I'm saying. You know, Jeff Saturday, at

882
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:32,439
Speaker 1: one time he was on the show That's a white Man.

883
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:34,799
Speaker 1: But the bottom line is I want it all. I

884
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:38,880
Speaker 1: want to make sure there's brothers, the sisters, black and white, ethnic,

885
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 1: you know, Hispanics, Asian. I don't give damn who it is.

886
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 1: I want to make sure we're representing America and we

887
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 1: make sure that everybody that looks at our show says

888
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 1: I can identify with what they're saying. But in the end,

889
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:53,839
Speaker 1: when it comes to me personally, you know whether it's

890
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:58,280
Speaker 1: Ryan Clark, it's Marcus Spears, all right, it's Damian Woody,

891
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 1: it's Lewis Riddick, the list goes on, and nor my brother,

892
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 1: Michael Irvin. That's now Aver, That's that's one key, Shawn Johnson.

893
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 1: These are my boys. I go back decades with these,

894
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 1: These are my brothers.

895
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying. They will tell you.

896
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 1: You ask anybody that knows me. I'm about getting you paid,

897
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:18,280
Speaker 1: I'm about helping you become successful. I'm about letting you shine.

898
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 1: I'm not threatened by anybody's appearance. It's my obligation.

899
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 5: But you've heard it, you do it. You've heard the comments.

900
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 3: Yes, man, Stephen a man, he's strong will he bragged

901
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 3: blah blah blah, like Shannon strong Will.

902
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 5: Blah blah blah. How is that gonna work?

903
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 1: They don't know. They don't tell people.

904
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 3: I'm say, two people that strong will can absolutely get

905
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:48,720
Speaker 3: along as long as there's respect. Absolutely, the moment one

906
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:52,839
Speaker 3: disrespects the other, the other losers respect for the one

907
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:53,839
Speaker 3: that disrespected him.

908
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 1: Right, So now it's just a matter of time exactly.

909
00:41:56,560 --> 00:42:00,040
Speaker 1: And that's not gonna happen because I don't roll like that.

910
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 1: It's like, Yo, I'm gonna argue with you about your points,

911
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 1: but you know what, we gonna agree. We gonna disagree,

912
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 1: but at the end of the day, we brothers, and

913
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 1: we gonna sit up there and try to do what

914
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:12,360
Speaker 1: we can to make our product shine. That's our responsibility

915
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 1: because if we do, if we do otherwise, all we're

916
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 1: doing is inhibiting the other success. Right, we're getting in

917
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 1: the way of what we're trying to do. That makes

918
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 1: no sense whatsoever. And not only that, that's setting a

919
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 1: bad example of our community. If I really need to

920
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 1: get deep about it, because what happens is is that

921
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 1: always so they can't chill, they can't sit up there

922
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 1: and do a show together. They can't get along. You

923
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 1: see that crabs in the barrel mentality. Blah blah blah,

924
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 1: nah man, we showing something different, you know, first take,

925
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:40,360
Speaker 1: I've been blessed and fortunate enough throwing shade on nobody.

926
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 1: We've been number one for twelve years. We gonna be

927
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 1: number one for thirteen. It's just that simple. In fourteen

928
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 1: and damn it, if I do it for fifteen, gonna

929
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:50,359
Speaker 1: be fifteen. That's the way that's gonna be. That's how

930
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:54,280
Speaker 1: my mentality is. And I don't root for anybody to fail.

931
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 1: I just root to be the best, right, And there's

932
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,279
Speaker 1: a difference. And as far as I'm concerned, anybody that's

933
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 1: with me, we the best. This is what we're gonna do.

934
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 1: So now it's we. It ain't stephen they it's weak.

935
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 1: And when you come to first take, because you ain't

936
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 1: start yet, you're gonna see it's a family. You gonna

937
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 1: see we get along. It ain't fake. We rolled with

938
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 1: one another, We vibe for one another, We watch one

939
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 1: another's back. It has always been that way under my

940
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 1: stewardship of the show. And I can say my stewardship

941
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 1: of the show because the show was handed to me.

942
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:26,840
Speaker 1: They ain't come to me, and I just took the

943
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 1: title and off. No, they came to me and said

944
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:33,879
Speaker 1: it's yours. You're responsible for it. If I didn't want

945
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:35,759
Speaker 1: share this shop at first take show and be a

946
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 1: first take how I roll, no question. But I had

947
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 1: to come out that day because with all that you

948
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 1: were behind.

949
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:46,360
Speaker 3: See what you're saying now is that you told me

950
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 3: month in advance, because you were telling me things that

951
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 3: were going on at Park Hell, I didn't know it.

952
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 5: I'm like, hold on, I drive this building every day.

953
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 5: How the hell you know what?

954
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:58,319
Speaker 3: I don't know you and you telling me, Bro, it's

955
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 3: going down like this, it's happening.

956
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:01,919
Speaker 5: Like this, and I'm just scratching my head.

957
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:05,760
Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm at this building every day and everybody cheezing?

958
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 1: Reason? Was I right?

959
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 5: You was absolutely spot on?

960
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 1: And tell you I was right, you know. And by

961
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:16,880
Speaker 1: the way, it wasn't because a fox. It's because I

962
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:19,879
Speaker 1: know the business, right. I've been here for thirty years.

963
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 1: I can see them all away, you know. I can

964
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 1: see the hand writing on the wall. I knew when

965
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 1: it was over for you, Bro. I'm gonna be real

966
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 1: with you. I knew when it was over, and I

967
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:32,799
Speaker 1: was like, I'm here, you see what I'm saying, because because.

968
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:33,760
Speaker 6: I knew what was gonna happen.

969
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 1: What happens is when you got noise and we gonna

970
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 1: call it like liten. I'm gonna call it like I

971
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:40,319
Speaker 1: see it. You don't want to do this, let me

972
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:42,760
Speaker 1: do it, all right, because I've been in the business

973
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 1: long enough. When you're black and you have the kind

974
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 1: of evident apparent meaning public situations like that, we don't win.

975
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 1: Everybody circling. The Sharks are circling. Now it's not one

976
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 1: person and it's not you know, the collusion going on. Instinctually,

977
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 1: people tend to believe this belief. Disbelieved that and the

978
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 1: Sharks are circling. And that's why I came out. You

979
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:18,240
Speaker 1: know the number one reason I came out, even before

980
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:19,799
Speaker 1: first tape was even on my mind. You know the

981
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,399
Speaker 1: number one reason I came out, Shannon Sharp and I said,

982
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 1: I want Shanna Shop on first tape because I wanted

983
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 1: the world to know that you will want it. That

984
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 1: was the most important thing to me. I wanted the world.

985
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:35,280
Speaker 1: I didn't want you to be in a situation where

986
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:37,400
Speaker 1: the sports world looked at you and said, what do

987
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 1: you do?

988
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 6: He must have done something persona round blah blah.

989
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 1: Blah blah blah. So I said, I said, if he

990
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 1: ends up, he ends up here.

991
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 6: The Hanchos know I want him.

992
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 1: But more importantly than that, this is a brother that

993
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 1: I think has done a lot of good work on

994
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 1: television that has helped our community. And as a result,

995
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 1: it's incumbing upon me because of the perch that I

996
00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 1: sit on.

997
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 6: To let them know he's.

998
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 1: Wanted, right, don't cut him off, because that's what they

999
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:04,919
Speaker 1: did to me in two thousand and nine.

1000
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:06,919
Speaker 6: They cut me off and left me for dead.

1001
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 1: Bro. And I'm not talking about ESPN. I'm talking about

1002
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:12,319
Speaker 1: the industry. They cut me off and left me for dead.

1003
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 1: They thought I was done. They were write my epitaph

1004
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:19,240
Speaker 1: and I knew it, and I said, I was blessed

1005
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 1: and fortunate enough to have enough connections and to do

1006
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 1: what I do to overcome it. I don't know if

1007
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 1: this brother does, so let me let the world know

1008
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 1: he has me and we'll go from there.

1009
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 5: That happened.

1010
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:34,320
Speaker 3: That absolutely happened like that because you and I was

1011
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 3: talking and you was like, Bro, I got this, but

1012
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:38,759
Speaker 3: soon as I get out of this meeting, I'll hit

1013
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:41,440
Speaker 3: you back. And we were talking twenty minutes, thirty minutes

1014
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:44,760
Speaker 3: an hour, and you took every last one of my calls.

1015
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 3: And I'm thinking to myself, and I remember getting on

1016
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:48,359
Speaker 3: the phone calling my sister and I said, like, maybe

1017
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 3: it's probably gonna happen. I say, because it's not coming

1018
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 3: from inside, it's coming from somebody that I knows the business.

1019
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 3: And he wouldn't bullegize me, but he told me that

1020
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 3: it's a ninety five percent chance that is going to happen,

1021
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:04,440
Speaker 3: and he wants me on his show.

1022
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:07,479
Speaker 5: And I'm like, I don't want. I think I'm good

1023
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:08,359
Speaker 5: at what I do.

1024
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:14,400
Speaker 3: And for him, it did my heart good because I

1025
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:17,400
Speaker 3: know what you represent in this industry to say I

1026
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 3: want him on my show. Whatever it is, I don't

1027
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 3: believe nothing. Look you go back and from when I

1028
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 3: was with the Broncos for twelve ten years, went to

1029
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 3: Baltimore for two, back to the Broncos for two CBS

1030
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 3: for a decade.

1031
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 5: I would fall for six years.

1032
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 1: Now.

1033
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:35,839
Speaker 3: One person ever said anything bad about show that you're

1034
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 3: difficult to work with. He did this that my greatest

1035
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 3: compliment from players is guys that were on my team

1036
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:42,360
Speaker 3: said shouting, show off.

1037
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:43,399
Speaker 5: The greatest team I'd ever had.

1038
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 3: He's my favorite teammate, the way he approached it, the

1039
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 3: way he was. And so for you to come to

1040
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:52,360
Speaker 3: me and to say what you said when you didn't

1041
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:54,840
Speaker 3: have to do any of it, and nobody would have

1042
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 3: held that against you, because, like you said, that's what

1043
00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 3: would have happened.

1044
00:47:58,040 --> 00:47:58,799
Speaker 1: And I heard it.

1045
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:02,759
Speaker 3: Man, he must have did no, showed up every day

1046
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 3: on time and did a hell of a job. I

1047
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 3: remember when Jamie Horwitz, who we were talking about, came

1048
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 3: to recruit me in twenty sixteen in April at the

1049
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 3: w Hotel. He said, you're gonna be a star. Yeah,

1050
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,239
Speaker 3: I said, I said, James, I know what he said.

1051
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 5: Trust me. He says, I know, Tavern.

1052
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:23,840
Speaker 1: It goes deeper than that, because you see Jamie. Whether

1053
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 1: he wants to tell you this or not, I knew

1054
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:30,759
Speaker 1: back then Skip was auditioned in you because whenever I

1055
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 1: took off, you would be there. Yes, And what Jamie

1056
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:36,880
Speaker 1: wouldn't tell anybody is that there were extra days that

1057
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:39,879
Speaker 1: I would take off just so Skip could bring you on.

1058
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 1: Because again, if you're not creating opportunities for other people,

1059
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:47,439
Speaker 1: what good are you?

1060
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 5: Right?

1061
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 1: My pastor says that I'm not the most religious person

1062
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 1: in the world. I mean, as promiscuous as I've been

1063
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 1: in my lifetime, at least for the person I mean.

1064
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I am in no position. You know, I'm

1065
00:48:57,080 --> 00:48:59,760
Speaker 1: a lot better now over the last over the last decade.

1066
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:01,759
Speaker 1: And so, but Lord, I have my issues, no question

1067
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:05,399
Speaker 1: about it. And and and you know, my pastor would

1068
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 1: say all the time, there's no success without a successor.

1069
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 1: And so when I look at you know, for me,

1070
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 1: all the brothers that are on the show. One of

1071
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:19,279
Speaker 1: my proudest moments was when Michael Irvin came last year.

1072
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 1: And the reason why it was proud because I loved

1073
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 1: the playmaker. He and I are very very tight with brothers,

1074
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:29,960
Speaker 1: and I know what his name brings and the stature

1075
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:34,880
Speaker 1: that it holds. And so you're thinking that he comes

1076
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 1: and others are gonna feel alienated, But if you watched

1077
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 1: him when he was on the show with us, it

1078
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:43,799
Speaker 1: was a brotherhood. You see what I'm saying. It was

1079
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 1: a brotherhood. You know how great he is exactly. But

1080
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 1: it's like all of these all I mean, or Lobsky

1081
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 1: and are C and everybody's regular They wanted to be

1082
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:56,360
Speaker 1: on the air with him, right, And so my point

1083
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 1: is is that.

1084
00:49:57,480 --> 00:49:58,759
Speaker 5: That's how it's supposed to be.

1085
00:49:59,000 --> 00:49:59,959
Speaker 6: It's like, wait a minute.

1086
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 1: It the NFL constantly talks about what a brotherhood exists.

1087
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:08,719
Speaker 1: Well guess what first take is a platform for brotherhood.

1088
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 1: So when Shannon comes on, yeah, you're gonna be on

1089
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:14,239
Speaker 1: the air with me, but guess what them brothers gonna

1090
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:16,719
Speaker 1: slide up in there. Y'all need to be with each other.

1091
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:18,919
Speaker 1: You need to be next to each other. You need

1092
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:22,320
Speaker 1: to be, you know, verbally knocking somebody like me upside

1093
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:24,879
Speaker 1: the head when I'm coming at y'all like, ye, I'm

1094
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 1: not a new journalist. I saw this, look at it,

1095
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 1: and y'all like, look at this guy right here. You

1096
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I mean, and we're laughing and

1097
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:36,880
Speaker 1: having a blast. It's entertainment, bro, But it's information, right, Okay,

1098
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:40,360
Speaker 1: it's perspective. It's serious stuff that needs to be addressed.

1099
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 1: It's the whole gamut. And think about it. We got

1100
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 1: the national airwaves for the worldwide leader available to us

1101
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 1: to disseminate and display our message. I believe, our culture,

1102
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 1: our perspectives and put them all on display for everybody

1103
00:50:57,560 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 1: to see to come back or to breaks. But the

1104
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:03,879
Speaker 1: point is, at the end of the day, you ain't

1105
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 1: gonna fill alone. You gonna be there and we gonna

1106
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:10,320
Speaker 1: be together. Why Because I'm gonna have your back, That's why,

1107
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 1: and they gonna have your back. And that's the way

1108
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:14,880
Speaker 1: it's gonna be. You know, people ask me it's gonna be?

1109
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 1: Will people ask me? Stephen A is like, bro, how

1110
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 1: do you say? What you say?

1111
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 3: And then Chuchelle, you go to the game. You might

1112
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 3: be bumping into some of these guys, say, how do

1113
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:28,799
Speaker 3: you handle that situation? I say, if I see them

1114
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:31,279
Speaker 3: out now, they acknowledge me, I acknowledge them back.

1115
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 1: If they don't, I keep it moving, keep it moving.

1116
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:35,759
Speaker 3: I don't make it personal because I don't know these

1117
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:38,720
Speaker 3: guys well enough to make it personal. I'm talking about

1118
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 3: a given situation. You didn't play good.

1119
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 5: And last night.

1120
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 3: It doesn't diminish anything that you accomplished before last night.

1121
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 3: It doesn't diminish anything that you might accomplish moving forward.

1122
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:51,840
Speaker 3: I'm talking about a specific set of events that happened

1123
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 3: last night.

1124
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:54,319
Speaker 5: How do you handle that? Stepen day?

1125
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:55,960
Speaker 3: Because I know see most of times they look at me,

1126
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:57,719
Speaker 3: they do a double take. They're like, nah, I'm gonna

1127
00:51:57,760 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 3: let that go.

1128
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:01,879
Speaker 1: They don't want that's person.

1129
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 5: But with you, I'm thinking it, like, man, why you

1130
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:08,399
Speaker 5: say that?

1131
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 1: Yeah? Well, first of all, I respect any of them

1132
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 1: who comes up to me, man to man in confront. Yes,

1133
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 1: because if you want to have a conversation. Here's where

1134
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 1: I'm big on. If I said something publicly and I'm wrong,

1135
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:25,439
Speaker 1: I'm gonna correct it publicly, thank you. I'm not gonna

1136
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 1: do something publicly and then apologize privately right now. If

1137
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:30,240
Speaker 1: I'm wrong, I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna do it publicly.

1138
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:32,239
Speaker 1: I'm a man up because that's the kind of man

1139
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 1: that I am. That's how my mama raised me to be.

1140
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 1: The other thing that I'm gonna do. But if I'm right,

1141
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 1: I'm not budgeing. You ain't gonna scare me, You ain't

1142
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 1: gonna intimidate me, you ain't gonna phaze me. Let's get

1143
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:45,440
Speaker 1: it on. Like I tell people all the time, figurarely

1144
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 1: or otherwise, it's not about getting your ass kicked. It's

1145
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 1: about what you're.

1146
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:50,360
Speaker 6: Willing to take an ass kicking for.

1147
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:54,279
Speaker 1: You gotta be principled, and you gotta be somebody that's

1148
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:56,239
Speaker 1: willing to stand on something and I'm the kind of

1149
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 1: person THAT'SI understand on something. I'm not trying to get personal.

1150
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:02,480
Speaker 1: I'm talking about your game, right Listen. I've seen players

1151
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 1: do some stuff behind the scenes. Man, I'm walking out

1152
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 1: of a hotel room whatever, I see whatever, and I'm

1153
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:10,360
Speaker 1: like this. It ain't a legal or nothing like that.

1154
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 1: But I'm just going like this, I don't know what

1155
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 1: you talking about. I keep it moving. You know, my

1156
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:18,640
Speaker 1: business my business some means. But when you shoot two

1157
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 1: for twenty h that's my business. Where you losing gage,

1158
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:23,920
Speaker 1: that's my business. When you sticking up the.

1159
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 5: Joint, that's my business.

1160
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 1: Wen, you're not showing up in practice, that's my business.

1161
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:29,279
Speaker 1: When you're sitting there bitching and want and wan in

1162
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 1: the morning about your money but you ain't earning it,

1163
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 1: that's my business because that's your career that you've decided

1164
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 1: to put on public displays.

1165
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:38,359
Speaker 5: Right.

1166
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:40,960
Speaker 1: That's the difference with your personal business.

1167
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:41,359
Speaker 6: Man.

1168
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 1: I always got you covered with that. As long as

1169
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:45,879
Speaker 1: you know, don't ask me to assist in breaking any

1170
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:47,400
Speaker 1: laws or anything like that, because I ain't going to

1171
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:49,760
Speaker 1: jail for your ass it ain't gonna happen. But outside

1172
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 1: of that, I mean, ain't none of my business.

1173
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 5: I keep it moving football.

1174
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:56,799
Speaker 3: You love your team, I'm thinking you like all things

1175
00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 3: New York Stealers.

1176
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:00,359
Speaker 1: You the Steelers got gonna die hard Steelers face because

1177
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:01,960
Speaker 1: the first date, the first game I ever saw was

1178
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 1: the Immaculate Reception, Wow, when I was six years old,

1179
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:08,840
Speaker 1: my dad the Immacular reception Franko Harris against the Raiders,

1180
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 1: and I fell in love with the Black and Gold.

1181
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:14,200
Speaker 1: Ever since, I still haven't given Neil o'donald for that interception.

1182
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:16,120
Speaker 1: Through the Lag Brown and Super Bowl. I still am

1183
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:18,360
Speaker 1: recovering from that. I still have given Ike Taylor for

1184
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:20,759
Speaker 1: given up a damn touchdown passes the Maarius Thomas that

1185
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 1: t Bow threw. Don't get me.

1186
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:24,879
Speaker 3: That might have been the worst moment of your own

1187
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 3: that career. That might have been the worst ones either.

1188
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:27,399
Speaker 1: Man.

1189
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:30,799
Speaker 6: Listen, man, I had Oh my.

1190
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 1: God, I was. I was with a girl I was

1191
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:37,920
Speaker 1: dating at the time, you know, her fond self and everything,

1192
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 1: and I had my mind on other things and t

1193
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:47,920
Speaker 1: Bow connected that pass. I collapsed face first on her

1194
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:52,799
Speaker 1: living room rug and laid there for two hours. Didn't

1195
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:55,880
Speaker 1: do nothing at night. Totally ruined my night. Yeah, totally

1196
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 1: ruined to do nothing. I didn't want anything. It was

1197
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 1: I was so damned depressed of all people. And I

1198
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:06,240
Speaker 1: love him deally, he's my friend. But that non throwing

1199
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:09,759
Speaker 1: Tim Tebow throws eighty yard touchdown Pad, I could not

1200
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:14,040
Speaker 1: believe to save my life that that happened. And I

1201
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:17,400
Speaker 1: couldn't recover that night, Bro. I was depressed.

1202
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:19,920
Speaker 6: But those two moments are my worst as a Steeler speed.

1203
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 3: So obviously, if you're a Steelers fan, you have to

1204
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:27,960
Speaker 3: hate the Cowboys because when the seventies, they always met

1205
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:30,480
Speaker 3: in the Super Bowl, and the Steelers always beat.

1206
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:36,319
Speaker 4: Him the right, the right, Roger Starbuck and Drew Drew, Tony,

1207
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:39,279
Speaker 4: Joe ass out of here come in and Stealers took

1208
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:43,000
Speaker 4: him out. Yes, Bradshaw, Swan, Stalwarts, even Franco Harris Well,

1209
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:44,799
Speaker 4: I really didn't like that much as a running back,

1210
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 4: you understand. I like Rocky Blant more than I like

1211
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:47,440
Speaker 4: Franko Harrison.

1212
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:49,319
Speaker 1: He was a full back. But the Steelers and the

1213
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:52,200
Speaker 1: steel Curtain me and Joe Green L C. Green with

1214
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 1: Jack Lambert, Jack Han Melt blunting. I like, Lord, this

1215
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:58,399
Speaker 1: is what's all about? Yeah, steel Yes, I couldn't root

1216
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:00,719
Speaker 1: for no New York teas they didn't win any It

1217
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:03,880
Speaker 1: was terrible. They're terrible. They're terrible, terrible.

1218
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:11,120
Speaker 3: So now you basketball, that's your thing. What's what's steven

1219
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:12,359
Speaker 3: A's favorite sport?

1220
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:15,520
Speaker 1: It's basketball. But I've grown to really really love footballs

1221
00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:18,320
Speaker 1: because because football has been established as an event.

1222
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:19,799
Speaker 6: So that's Sundays.

1223
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, when you come to New

1224
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:22,439
Speaker 1: York one the time and bring you by the crib

1225
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:24,520
Speaker 1: and bring you you the crib. You know saying, I

1226
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:26,879
Speaker 1: got I got the main cave, just set up. It's

1227
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:27,279
Speaker 1: set up.

1228
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:29,120
Speaker 5: Now you know we're gonna watch the game together.

1229
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:31,200
Speaker 1: They're right, They're right. We can do that. We do

1230
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:33,399
Speaker 1: that with Ryan Clark, Barcus spills all they talk about

1231
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 1: coming one time. I was just invite you all over

1232
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:38,759
Speaker 1: to make sure I got some catered food. Yeah, hell no,

1233
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 1: hell no. I cooked some lasagna, cook some stek Hell yes.

1234
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:44,359
Speaker 5: We do alf here.

1235
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 1: You might not eat the lasagna, you know what I'm saying,

1236
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:50,640
Speaker 1: knowing you you're watching the cabs and stuff like that,

1237
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:52,440
Speaker 1: but with some of us gonna eat it. But I

1238
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:54,759
Speaker 1: will tell you this, I ain't cooking for a bunch

1239
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:56,480
Speaker 1: of men. That ain't happening. But I'll tell you if

1240
00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:57,640
Speaker 1: I tell you this right here, I tell you this

1241
00:56:57,719 --> 00:57:01,240
Speaker 1: right here, right now, you know you're gonna go. Football

1242
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:05,080
Speaker 1: has established itself as an event. But really the two

1243
00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:10,920
Speaker 1: things I love most, it's basketball, and nothing beats a

1244
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 1: big time boxing event. Oh yeah, Like when I was

1245
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:18,520
Speaker 1: at Ero Spence, I saw you right, It broke my

1246
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:19,840
Speaker 1: I picked Corfort to win.

1247
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:21,040
Speaker 6: I ain't know even win like that.

1248
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 5: Ye, it broke my heart to see Ero.

1249
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 1: Spence get whipped like that. It really really did.

1250
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:27,600
Speaker 6: I didn't see that coming.

1251
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:32,960
Speaker 1: I might be at Canilo versus Charlo o'challo and it,

1252
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:35,560
Speaker 1: but se, my problem is that Charlo's moving up to

1253
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 1: weight classes. I'm scared for him now. He got mad

1254
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 1: skills and he got hard and he walks around looking

1255
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:45,200
Speaker 1: like the bigger guy. But he ain't been in the

1256
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:48,200
Speaker 1: ring with somebody that's punching him from one hundred and

1257
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:51,560
Speaker 1: sixty eight pounds r in a real fight, And so

1258
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:54,200
Speaker 1: that's my concern. His brother got some issues that he

1259
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:56,720
Speaker 1: got to resolve, that's what they say. But he's the

1260
00:57:56,840 --> 00:57:59,800
Speaker 1: natural super middleweight, so he was the one who's, in

1261
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:03,200
Speaker 1: my opinion, should have been fighting Charlo. I'm sorry for

1262
00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 1: the Canilo rather than this guy. But those big Tom

1263
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:10,800
Speaker 1: boxing events in Vegas, I mean, nothing beats it.

1264
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:13,560
Speaker 3: I mean, this Dispense fight was really big. But it's

1265
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:16,120
Speaker 3: been a while since you had those. I remember going

1266
00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:19,520
Speaker 3: to the Mike Tyson and the Mayweather. It was an event.

1267
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:24,920
Speaker 1: Now you Mayweather Pacia, Mayweather Canilo Hoyer. Yes, that was

1268
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:28,240
Speaker 1: a big event too. But I will tell you nothing

1269
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:31,840
Speaker 1: was really bigger than Mayweather Pacquia. We had waited so long, yeah,

1270
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:34,280
Speaker 1: and want it was five years too late late, But

1271
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 1: we didn't know until after the fight that it was

1272
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:37,440
Speaker 1: five years too late, you know what I'm saying. So

1273
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:40,560
Speaker 1: leading up to the event, oh my god, it didn't

1274
00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 1: get any bigger.

1275
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 3: But you know the thing is everybody that Mayweather fought,

1276
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:47,600
Speaker 3: he made him look like it was five years too late, right,

1277
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:50,360
Speaker 3: And that's how the great that's the greatness of him.

1278
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:53,400
Speaker 5: Yes, everybody that he fought, they like what he beat. Sugar,

1279
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:55,280
Speaker 5: he beat Sugar, Sugar.

1280
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:59,960
Speaker 1: Jane mostly he'd beat Sugar Shane mos second round. Yeah,

1281
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:01,840
Speaker 1: almost heart up as dropped him.

1282
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:03,840
Speaker 3: But you look at you look at the champions that

1283
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:07,640
Speaker 3: this man beat and made them look mundane and beating them.

1284
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:11,800
Speaker 1: You talk about Mayweather I would say the same about Jordan.

1285
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:16,080
Speaker 1: But that's the difference. Oh you know, I'm glad that

1286
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:18,440
Speaker 1: you heard that about what I'm talking about. That's what

1287
00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:21,120
Speaker 1: I'm saying, you know, because Jordan will make you look

1288
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:24,680
Speaker 1: like you're less than what you're all like before Scotty

1289
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:27,320
Speaker 1: Lebron fos Scotty and Lebron will beat you, I know

1290
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:28,920
Speaker 1: he but mj would make you.

1291
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:31,000
Speaker 5: Look like less than what you are.

1292
00:59:31,080 --> 00:59:34,320
Speaker 3: I know Scott Scotty, I know Scott is gonna don't

1293
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 3: call list and don't invite what's transpired and everything, you know, But.

1294
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:40,040
Speaker 5: That Scott is fault.

1295
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:40,680
Speaker 1: Scotty was wrong.

1296
00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:41,400
Speaker 6: Scotty was wrong.

1297
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:43,840
Speaker 5: Oh yeats. But no, no, no, no, no, no. Let me

1298
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:44,600
Speaker 5: tell you how it started.

1299
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:47,680
Speaker 3: Okay, you know it started in the Last Dance, because

1300
00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:50,160
Speaker 3: the Last Dance was supposed to be about Jordan's last dance.

1301
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:53,360
Speaker 3: Why are you putting Scotty Pippen in there for an

1302
00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:56,040
Speaker 3: event that you weren't even on the team.

1303
00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:59,120
Speaker 1: Let the journalist in me correct you go ahead. The

1304
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:02,320
Speaker 1: last dance it was about the last season for the

1305
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:06,200
Speaker 1: Chicago Okay, the last season. Yes, So what happened is

1306
01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:09,000
Speaker 1: is that they all on their way out so you're

1307
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:12,680
Speaker 1: telling different stories about them and their careers with the

1308
01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:16,480
Speaker 1: Bulls while they're fading into the twilight. Yeah, so that

1309
01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:18,560
Speaker 1: kind of stuff does make it relevant.

1310
01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:20,680
Speaker 5: But you know you're gonna make Scotty look bad.

1311
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:23,720
Speaker 1: Well, Scotty deserved to look bad.

1312
01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:25,080
Speaker 5: But you don't have to tell it. There are a

1313
01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:25,840
Speaker 5: lot of times.

1314
01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:29,200
Speaker 1: Steven A wait a minute. Now, it ain't like he said, Yo, man,

1315
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:31,240
Speaker 1: this is the woman he was messing with her something. No,

1316
01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:33,760
Speaker 1: he said, Yo, you've passed up this contract.

1317
01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:35,160
Speaker 5: You wanted more Miami.

1318
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:39,560
Speaker 1: Damn this public information. You Ryan Stork, don't sign this

1319
01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:43,120
Speaker 1: deal because if you sign this deal, you can't come

1320
01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:45,480
Speaker 1: back to me because I'm not gonna renegotiate your deal.

1321
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:49,440
Speaker 1: I mean, damn, Michael Jordan's gone. You want to be

1322
01:00:49,560 --> 01:00:51,800
Speaker 1: that dude, and then you're gonna sit up there and

1323
01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:54,480
Speaker 1: refuse to enter the game because of Tony kok coach.

1324
01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:57,480
Speaker 1: I mean, that happened in front of millions of people watching.

1325
01:00:57,480 --> 01:00:57,960
Speaker 3: It did.

1326
01:00:58,080 --> 01:00:58,640
Speaker 1: Come on, man, I.

1327
01:00:58,960 --> 01:00:59,560
Speaker 5: Tell you the story.

1328
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:03,520
Speaker 1: Why not part of the story. But Dan, let me

1329
01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:08,000
Speaker 1: ask you tell we weren't around me. Excuse me, excuse me.

1330
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:10,200
Speaker 1: Jordan was still around. He was coming to visit the

1331
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:12,640
Speaker 1: team Scottie, people wearing the sneakers, kicking his feet up.

1332
01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:14,840
Speaker 1: Look at the bottom of the soles of the shooter. Jordan,

1333
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:17,840
Speaker 1: come on back, come on back, all that other stuff. Hell, yo, Jordan,

1334
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:19,520
Speaker 1: wasn't there that You didn't say nothing about that. By

1335
01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:21,160
Speaker 1: the way, where did you play? Did you play different?

1336
01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:21,600
Speaker 5: Yes?

1337
01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:23,600
Speaker 1: Did you play in Baltimore? Yes, So we shouldn't talk

1338
01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:26,360
Speaker 1: about that. Yeah, we should talk. We should talk whatever

1339
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:28,000
Speaker 1: having to Baltimore. We need to be, we need to

1340
01:01:28,120 --> 01:01:30,000
Speaker 1: get we need to be.

1341
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:32,280
Speaker 5: Keep that quiet. But here's the thing. It's a part

1342
01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:34,120
Speaker 5: of your story. But here's the thing.

1343
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:36,640
Speaker 3: Just the way I look at it, I'm not gonna

1344
01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:39,880
Speaker 3: tell an event that I wasn't a part of. So

1345
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:42,640
Speaker 3: anything that happened in Baltimore from two thousand and two

1346
01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:45,040
Speaker 3: thousand and one, if I tell it in my story,

1347
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:47,520
Speaker 3: I can tell it in my story because I was

1348
01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:50,480
Speaker 3: there when Ray went through what he went through in Atlanta.

1349
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:53,560
Speaker 3: I was there. I was picking him up from the courthouse.

1350
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:56,000
Speaker 3: He was living with me in my basement. So if

1351
01:01:56,040 --> 01:01:59,240
Speaker 3: I want to tell my story, that I should.

1352
01:01:58,920 --> 01:01:59,880
Speaker 5: Be able to include.

1353
01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:05,160
Speaker 1: But that's a far that's a far different angle. The

1354
01:02:05,240 --> 01:02:08,280
Speaker 1: man was accused of a crime. It was off the

1355
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:12,080
Speaker 1: field is very personal and even though you were involved,

1356
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:16,520
Speaker 1: that's his personal business. There's nothing about Scotty Pippen turning

1357
01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:19,600
Speaker 1: down a contract for Scotty Pippen refusing to enter a

1358
01:02:19,640 --> 01:02:21,640
Speaker 1: playoff game. That's personal.

1359
01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:24,120
Speaker 5: No, but he's saying light.

1360
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:26,880
Speaker 3: But he said when Scotty was talking about having the

1361
01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:29,800
Speaker 3: back surgery and he wanted a contract, and Jordan said

1362
01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:33,240
Speaker 3: he's being selfish. Even though I might agree with, I

1363
01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:35,400
Speaker 3: ain't saying nobody's gonna be selfie because I want everybody

1364
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:37,440
Speaker 3: to get as much money as they can, right, So

1365
01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:39,800
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna say that. But I'm just saying I'm

1366
01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:43,480
Speaker 3: not saying George. I just think that Scotty was surprised

1367
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:46,600
Speaker 3: that Jordan took the stance that he took and said

1368
01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:47,200
Speaker 3: what he says.

1369
01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:49,480
Speaker 1: That's fair. But I will tell you this, Jordan wasn't

1370
01:02:49,520 --> 01:02:51,680
Speaker 1: only the start to show. He was also an executive.

1371
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:55,760
Speaker 1: So we all know that that's number one. He is

1372
01:02:55,800 --> 01:02:59,280
Speaker 1: an important component to bring up number two. And more importantly,

1373
01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:03,400
Speaker 1: you gotta remember that was in the aftermath of him

1374
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:05,760
Speaker 1: turning down the contract and then being bitter about it.

1375
01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:09,320
Speaker 1: I'm sorry taking the money rather being a bit about it, right,

1376
01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:12,200
Speaker 1: and so you took the money that Jordan and Ryan

1377
01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:15,080
Speaker 1: Stoff essentially advised you not to take. You ended up

1378
01:03:15,120 --> 01:03:17,360
Speaker 1: being bitter about it, and that was willing to let

1379
01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:19,160
Speaker 1: the team suffer because you got to remember where it's

1380
01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:23,120
Speaker 1: personal for Jordan. If you're a tight end, which you

1381
01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:28,480
Speaker 1: were and your quarterback, you say it, yo, bro, don't

1382
01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:30,600
Speaker 1: take this money because you're gonna be bitter about the contract.

1383
01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:34,280
Speaker 1: He doesn't listen to you. He takes the money anyway,

1384
01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:37,480
Speaker 1: then he's bitter about it later on and refuse to

1385
01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:40,480
Speaker 1: step on the field with you. Leave you out there

1386
01:03:40,560 --> 01:03:44,640
Speaker 1: hanging by yourself. You don't have something to say.

1387
01:03:45,040 --> 01:03:47,120
Speaker 5: Whoa you mean to tell me? Jordan and went on

1388
01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:48,320
Speaker 5: them jabs buy himself.

1389
01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:50,160
Speaker 1: No no, no, no, no, no, no, no no, I'm talking about this.

1390
01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:52,200
Speaker 1: At the time, he complaint. Oh no, at the time,

1391
01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:55,080
Speaker 1: he complaint. At the time he was complaining about Scotty

1392
01:03:55,480 --> 01:03:59,120
Speaker 1: being selfish. He was on the court without him. But

1393
01:03:59,240 --> 01:04:01,160
Speaker 1: he was like, come on, you're leaving me out here

1394
01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:03,400
Speaker 1: because of the decision I told you not to make,

1395
01:04:03,480 --> 01:04:04,920
Speaker 1: but you didn't listen and you made it anymore.

1396
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:07,760
Speaker 3: But I think you will agree that hurts Scotty more

1397
01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:09,760
Speaker 3: than anything to hear Jordan's say that.

1398
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:11,880
Speaker 6: Okay, fair enough.

1399
01:04:12,320 --> 01:04:14,480
Speaker 1: Are we sure that that's all that's hurting guys?

1400
01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:16,720
Speaker 5: No, there's some other thing that's going on behind this.

1401
01:04:17,080 --> 01:04:23,960
Speaker 5: There you go. There's never just always.

1402
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:26,240
Speaker 1: I didn't say what, and I ain't gonna say what.

1403
01:04:26,560 --> 01:04:29,040
Speaker 1: I just asked you a relatively rhetorical question that I

1404
01:04:29,080 --> 01:04:30,800
Speaker 1: know you know the answer to. I think it's safe

1405
01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:31,680
Speaker 1: to say that we all know.

1406
01:04:31,880 --> 01:04:33,840
Speaker 6: Yes, this other thing, Scott is a little enough said

1407
01:04:33,840 --> 01:04:34,120
Speaker 6: about it?

1408
01:04:34,240 --> 01:04:38,600
Speaker 5: Yes, okay, okay? You and what is it with you?

1409
01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:41,080
Speaker 3: Like every time you say something, you say my sources

1410
01:04:41,120 --> 01:04:44,120
Speaker 3: say this right, And it seem like players go out

1411
01:04:44,120 --> 01:04:47,120
Speaker 3: of their way to try to refute what you said

1412
01:04:47,160 --> 01:04:47,480
Speaker 3: on there.

1413
01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:51,200
Speaker 1: Well, first of all, when your voice is potent and

1414
01:04:51,240 --> 01:04:54,360
Speaker 1: it's gonna go viral, right, and it's gonna resonate, and

1415
01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:57,240
Speaker 1: they think it's gonna compromise their brand, that's what they're

1416
01:04:57,240 --> 01:04:57,640
Speaker 1: gonna do.

1417
01:04:59,040 --> 01:04:59,880
Speaker 6: I understand that.

1418
01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:03,800
Speaker 1: I remember, I tell you a story one time I

1419
01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:09,320
Speaker 1: had a coach go up in front of reporters. Stephen

1420
01:05:09,360 --> 01:05:11,920
Speaker 1: A's wrong. He don't know what the hell he's talking about.

1421
01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:14,200
Speaker 1: I can't believe they even let him report on the team,

1422
01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:17,360
Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah blah, and then walk by me

1423
01:05:17,800 --> 01:05:23,440
Speaker 1: and winked because he did it because he didn't want

1424
01:05:23,480 --> 01:05:24,920
Speaker 1: people to know he was the one who gave me

1425
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:28,760
Speaker 1: the story. I've been a journalist for thirty years. I

1426
01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:31,960
Speaker 1: got sources all over the sports world, right, every single

1427
01:05:32,040 --> 01:05:35,520
Speaker 1: segment of every single show, I get text messages. It's

1428
01:05:35,520 --> 01:05:39,080
Speaker 1: a player, it's a coach, it's an executive, it's a

1429
01:05:39,080 --> 01:05:42,960
Speaker 1: player person or director. In my case, sometimes it's owners,

1430
01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:45,920
Speaker 1: cause I know quite a few, right, Okay, And so

1431
01:05:46,040 --> 01:05:48,480
Speaker 1: I have sources all over the place. Does that mean

1432
01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:52,880
Speaker 1: I'm always right? Absolutely not. What happens though, is I

1433
01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:55,800
Speaker 1: never said I was. I said this is what I

1434
01:05:55,880 --> 01:05:59,640
Speaker 1: was told old. And when you make that judgment call,

1435
01:05:59,720 --> 01:06:01,360
Speaker 1: what do you making a judgment call about.

1436
01:06:01,560 --> 01:06:03,640
Speaker 6: I ain't making a call about your personal life.

1437
01:06:03,840 --> 01:06:06,600
Speaker 1: I ain't making a call about something ultra and dacive

1438
01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:09,240
Speaker 1: or whatever. You know. The other day, when I made

1439
01:06:09,240 --> 01:06:12,960
Speaker 1: the news about Lonzo, I'm like this, they said, Yo,

1440
01:06:13,040 --> 01:06:16,680
Speaker 1: Stephen ame. They said, sometimes it's like it's hard for

1441
01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:19,280
Speaker 1: him to stand to stand up from the position in

1442
01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:23,200
Speaker 1: the chair. All right. I'd heard the same thing on

1443
01:06:23,240 --> 01:06:26,880
Speaker 1: several occasions well, two years ago, you missed forty two games.

1444
01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:30,080
Speaker 1: Do the injury. The next season, missed the entire season.

1445
01:06:30,680 --> 01:06:34,080
Speaker 1: This season is coming up, the team announced. Think about this.

1446
01:06:34,560 --> 01:06:38,480
Speaker 1: The team announced the June that he would be available

1447
01:06:39,160 --> 01:06:42,400
Speaker 1: before the new year. Think about that. So I'm going

1448
01:06:42,480 --> 01:06:46,520
Speaker 1: like this, you gonna literally sit pool side and hop

1449
01:06:46,600 --> 01:06:48,720
Speaker 1: up and down in a chair from a seating position

1450
01:06:49,120 --> 01:06:52,680
Speaker 1: when you done missed forty eight percent of your games

1451
01:06:52,720 --> 01:06:55,680
Speaker 1: and just your fourth or fifth year your career. Brother,

1452
01:06:55,720 --> 01:06:58,520
Speaker 1: you clearly are not healthy. Okay, you wanna get literal

1453
01:06:58,600 --> 01:07:01,480
Speaker 1: with it. Maybe I shouldn't said or whatever. That's what

1454
01:07:01,520 --> 01:07:04,920
Speaker 1: they say, but you ain't exactly. So I'm like, really,

1455
01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:06,760
Speaker 1: that's what you want to refuse. And I like Lonzo

1456
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:08,880
Speaker 1: not nothing against them. I hav done against his daddy,

1457
01:07:09,120 --> 01:07:12,440
Speaker 1: whatever the case may be. But I would say to you,

1458
01:07:12,440 --> 01:07:14,560
Speaker 1: go back to the days when I've covered I was

1459
01:07:14,600 --> 01:07:16,480
Speaker 1: a beat writer for the felth in seventy six ers,

1460
01:07:16,520 --> 01:07:19,040
Speaker 1: and I'm covering Alan and Iverson and beyond. I've been

1461
01:07:19,080 --> 01:07:21,360
Speaker 1: a journalist for thirty years. I was a beat writer

1462
01:07:21,480 --> 01:07:24,160
Speaker 1: for ten. I was a general sports columnist for another

1463
01:07:24,240 --> 01:07:27,400
Speaker 1: seven or eight. I've been around and so there's been

1464
01:07:27,400 --> 01:07:29,960
Speaker 1: plenty of times when people have refuted what I've said

1465
01:07:30,160 --> 01:07:32,800
Speaker 1: and then years later come to find out I was

1466
01:07:32,840 --> 01:07:35,080
Speaker 1: telling the truth all along. You go ahead and you

1467
01:07:35,160 --> 01:07:37,680
Speaker 1: denied that. I remember one time I had a player.

1468
01:07:38,120 --> 01:07:40,680
Speaker 1: I'm in Saint Thomas is where my family's from. And

1469
01:07:40,720 --> 01:07:43,080
Speaker 1: if you go to Saint Thomas's spot called red Hook,

1470
01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:44,920
Speaker 1: and Red Hook is where you're going. You take the

1471
01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:48,400
Speaker 1: boat from Saint Thomas to Saint John's. It's only a

1472
01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:52,560
Speaker 1: fifteen minute boat rocket and I'm literally docking away from

1473
01:07:52,600 --> 01:07:54,560
Speaker 1: Red Hook going into the ocean. I get a call

1474
01:07:55,280 --> 01:07:57,600
Speaker 1: up one out and it's saying I'm lying. I'm like,

1475
01:07:57,640 --> 01:07:59,440
Speaker 1: what the hell are you care? You already told them

1476
01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:04,600
Speaker 1: you leaving. It's hurting my brand. And you realize how

1477
01:08:04,680 --> 01:08:07,320
Speaker 1: a lot of cats are thinking. They're thinking about their

1478
01:08:07,360 --> 01:08:10,440
Speaker 1: social media following. They're thinking about the connections that they have,

1479
01:08:10,560 --> 01:08:13,880
Speaker 1: They're thinking about how that's gonna be parlayed in a

1480
01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:16,720
Speaker 1: monetary value for themselves down the line, and how I

1481
01:08:16,720 --> 01:08:19,760
Speaker 1: could be compromised. And so when you see these denials,

1482
01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:21,760
Speaker 1: let's say, you say, all right, it makes sense, I

1483
01:08:21,800 --> 01:08:22,160
Speaker 1: got it.

1484
01:08:22,240 --> 01:08:23,200
Speaker 6: I leave it alone.

1485
01:08:23,280 --> 01:08:26,120
Speaker 1: But my attitude is I'm not giving you a death sentence,

1486
01:08:26,120 --> 01:08:28,160
Speaker 1: And I'm not talking about your personal business, right, I'm

1487
01:08:28,160 --> 01:08:30,840
Speaker 1: talking about relatively obvious stuff. Calm the hell down and

1488
01:08:30,840 --> 01:08:33,000
Speaker 1: stop making it bigger than what it is and you'll

1489
01:08:33,040 --> 01:08:33,840
Speaker 1: be fine.

1490
01:08:33,560 --> 01:08:33,680
Speaker 5: Right.

1491
01:08:35,320 --> 01:08:37,680
Speaker 3: The conversation that I saw a little bit of it

1492
01:08:38,040 --> 01:08:41,759
Speaker 3: about well, Steph Curry, I think on gilb with Arenas

1493
01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:43,839
Speaker 3: Agent Zeros podcast saying.

1494
01:08:43,640 --> 01:08:48,280
Speaker 5: He's the greatest point guard. You agreed or disagree.

1495
01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:51,400
Speaker 1: I agreed, but I was mistaken. And the reason why

1496
01:08:51,439 --> 01:08:54,120
Speaker 1: I say I was mistaken is because what I wanted

1497
01:08:54,160 --> 01:08:58,520
Speaker 1: to elaborate on is when you're talking about a typical,

1498
01:08:59,120 --> 01:09:02,559
Speaker 1: quintessential point god, you're talking about a facilitator. Magic Johnson's

1499
01:09:02,560 --> 01:09:04,960
Speaker 1: the greatest ever. Yeah, there's no question. What I was

1500
01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:08,080
Speaker 1: talking about was impact from the position, and to me,

1501
01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:14,280
Speaker 1: Steph Curry's marksmanship, combined with his ability to move without

1502
01:09:14,320 --> 01:09:18,240
Speaker 1: the ball, puts a defense's head on a swivel. And

1503
01:09:18,280 --> 01:09:20,519
Speaker 1: as a result of that, because of the panic he

1504
01:09:20,600 --> 01:09:25,679
Speaker 1: creates because of his extraordinary marksmanship, you have to pay

1505
01:09:25,760 --> 01:09:28,160
Speaker 1: rapt attention to him. You can't afford to Billy pay

1506
01:09:28,160 --> 01:09:31,000
Speaker 1: attention to anybody else. And that, to me, is a

1507
01:09:31,040 --> 01:09:34,960
Speaker 1: similar impact to Magic Johnson's ability to get to the

1508
01:09:34,960 --> 01:09:38,400
Speaker 1: basket throw, no look passes, and especially Magic Johnson in

1509
01:09:38,400 --> 01:09:40,120
Speaker 1: the open court in a fast break. But if you

1510
01:09:40,120 --> 01:09:42,880
Speaker 1: put Magic Johnson in a half court setting, he backs

1511
01:09:42,920 --> 01:09:45,719
Speaker 1: you down, he throws the ball to Kareem abdu Jabal.

1512
01:09:46,439 --> 01:09:49,479
Speaker 1: Open court is worthy? Is Byron Scott's cooper. You know

1513
01:09:49,479 --> 01:09:52,240
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, This stuff like that, pick your poison.

1514
01:09:52,720 --> 01:09:54,440
Speaker 6: I was talking about impact.

1515
01:09:54,760 --> 01:09:57,320
Speaker 1: I wasn't talking about a quintessential facilitator.

1516
01:09:57,400 --> 01:09:58,040
Speaker 6: That's the point guard.

1517
01:09:58,360 --> 01:10:00,120
Speaker 1: Steph Curry is clearly not that.

1518
01:10:00,120 --> 01:10:00,680
Speaker 5: That's what I'm saying.

1519
01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:02,200
Speaker 1: I don't really look. I look at Steph as a

1520
01:10:02,240 --> 01:10:04,960
Speaker 1: two right. I understand that because.

1521
01:10:04,760 --> 01:10:07,800
Speaker 3: All of you got new age guys, Dame Lillard, Steph Current,

1522
01:10:07,880 --> 01:10:10,439
Speaker 3: all these guys are two guards masquerading. They just they're

1523
01:10:10,479 --> 01:10:12,559
Speaker 3: not the point guard. I'm looking at point guard like

1524
01:10:12,640 --> 01:10:16,599
Speaker 3: Magic John, Stockton, Jason Kidd, Mark Jackson. When I think

1525
01:10:16,680 --> 01:10:18,599
Speaker 3: point guard, that's what I'm thinking.

1526
01:10:19,600 --> 01:10:23,080
Speaker 1: I got you. We agree, we agree, we agree. I mean, listen,

1527
01:10:23,479 --> 01:10:25,880
Speaker 1: Magic Johnson is so phenomenal. And Michael Jordan has been

1528
01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:27,720
Speaker 1: arguing on me about this forever because Magic John's the

1529
01:10:27,720 --> 01:10:29,200
Speaker 1: greatest in his eyes as well. So you know what

1530
01:10:29,240 --> 01:10:31,439
Speaker 1: I'm saying, it's one of those and changing that dudes

1531
01:10:31,479 --> 01:10:34,559
Speaker 1: man changing antal changeing Michael George's you ain't got no

1532
01:10:34,560 --> 01:10:37,479
Speaker 1: snowball chance in Helifloria. But but but but he's right,

1533
01:10:37,560 --> 01:10:41,240
Speaker 1: And and Eddie Johnson does NBA radio, He's absolutely right.

1534
01:10:41,320 --> 01:10:43,080
Speaker 1: He was talking about a mad Dog Russo and his

1535
01:10:43,080 --> 01:10:45,120
Speaker 1: story and he was talking about he was absolutely right.

1536
01:10:45,320 --> 01:10:47,559
Speaker 1: We know that as a pure pass that Magic Johnson

1537
01:10:47,640 --> 01:10:50,760
Speaker 1: is the greatest facilitator the game has ever seen. But

1538
01:10:50,880 --> 01:10:53,719
Speaker 1: I'm saying as an impact, you could talk about Steph

1539
01:10:53,800 --> 01:10:56,120
Speaker 1: Curry being the two guard, but I would tell you

1540
01:10:56,200 --> 01:10:58,839
Speaker 1: he has the ball in the hands enough the offense

1541
01:10:58,960 --> 01:11:04,480
Speaker 1: runs through him, and the impact his marksmanship creates creates

1542
01:11:04,720 --> 01:11:08,639
Speaker 1: just as much habit as Magic Johnson situated. And that's

1543
01:11:08,720 --> 01:11:11,360
Speaker 1: all I was trying to say, which is why, even

1544
01:11:11,479 --> 01:11:14,320
Speaker 1: though if you're taught them about a prototypical point guard,

1545
01:11:14,520 --> 01:11:17,479
Speaker 1: you would pick others before him, if you're talking about impact,

1546
01:11:17,600 --> 01:11:18,759
Speaker 1: it's him and Magic Johnson.

1547
01:11:18,920 --> 01:11:22,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh we do, no question, there's no denying that.

1548
01:11:22,600 --> 01:11:27,080
Speaker 3: Exactly when you look at Lebron. Let's take Lebron and you.

1549
01:11:27,080 --> 01:11:30,559
Speaker 3: You were covering the NBA when Lebron got in, yep,

1550
01:11:32,320 --> 01:11:34,960
Speaker 3: I said Lebron is overachieved because no matter what you

1551
01:11:35,040 --> 01:11:38,320
Speaker 3: thought he might be, ain't nowhere in hell you thought

1552
01:11:38,360 --> 01:11:39,720
Speaker 3: he would be this good Steve to day.

1553
01:11:39,840 --> 01:11:41,760
Speaker 1: No, I didn't. That's why I got him number two.

1554
01:11:41,800 --> 01:11:46,760
Speaker 1: Old time. Lebron James is one of the greatest ever.

1555
01:11:46,840 --> 01:11:49,920
Speaker 1: Do it and listen, we're gonna miss him.

1556
01:11:49,920 --> 01:11:50,479
Speaker 6: When he's going.

1557
01:11:50,720 --> 01:11:52,080
Speaker 1: I can sit up there and I can have my

1558
01:11:52,120 --> 01:11:55,960
Speaker 1: basketball decisions as if Michael Jordan won him two. But

1559
01:11:56,000 --> 01:11:58,400
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, man, I got so much love

1560
01:11:58,439 --> 01:12:01,400
Speaker 1: and respect for Lebron, and a lot of people they misconstrue.

1561
01:12:01,960 --> 01:12:03,680
Speaker 1: You know what I mean by that when I say

1562
01:12:03,720 --> 01:12:05,840
Speaker 1: I got love for a brother that I barely know,

1563
01:12:05,880 --> 01:12:07,559
Speaker 1: because it's not like I talk to him every day

1564
01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:07,920
Speaker 1: or whatever.

1565
01:12:07,920 --> 01:12:09,839
Speaker 6: Even though we accord you to one another in the whole.

1566
01:12:09,720 --> 01:12:13,120
Speaker 1: Nine, I'm saying, I appreciate who you are and what

1567
01:12:13,240 --> 01:12:20,479
Speaker 1: you've meant. Yes to our community, to basketball, to young men,

1568
01:12:20,640 --> 01:12:24,599
Speaker 1: particularly young black men everywhere the student is phenomenal. Man.

1569
01:12:24,680 --> 01:12:26,640
Speaker 1: And And to be a guy that was on the

1570
01:12:26,720 --> 01:12:30,479
Speaker 1: cover of Sports Illustrated and the only blemish in his

1571
01:12:31,000 --> 01:12:34,240
Speaker 1: entire career is that I'm taking my talents to South Beach.

1572
01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:39,640
Speaker 1: That is literally the only staying on his career.

1573
01:12:39,400 --> 01:12:41,000
Speaker 5: And he raised money for the boys and Glad.

1574
01:12:41,080 --> 01:12:45,240
Speaker 1: I mean, it's ridiculous. A businessman, extraordinary actor, he did

1575
01:12:45,240 --> 01:12:46,920
Speaker 1: a great job and everything. Think I'm joking when I

1576
01:12:46,960 --> 01:12:48,760
Speaker 1: put the tick of him great actor, great because because

1577
01:12:48,800 --> 01:12:50,680
Speaker 1: you know, we so sens of develolebron Jas actually had

1578
01:12:50,680 --> 01:12:53,720
Speaker 1: a ticker creator for first take great actor, great business man.

1579
01:12:57,560 --> 01:12:59,000
Speaker 1: Don't be there for you, it's no be there when

1580
01:12:59,040 --> 01:13:00,760
Speaker 1: you bring about saying, I said, can we get it

1581
01:13:00,760 --> 01:13:02,280
Speaker 1: out of the way, because I want to make sure

1582
01:13:02,320 --> 01:13:04,800
Speaker 1: he knows I recognize all the greatness about him. Listen

1583
01:13:04,840 --> 01:13:06,400
Speaker 1: to the movie Trade Wreckord. You see what he did.

1584
01:13:07,240 --> 01:13:09,280
Speaker 1: He was great, He was great. He did a great

1585
01:13:09,360 --> 01:13:11,760
Speaker 1: job you know with Amy Schulman. Believe I mean, he

1586
01:13:11,840 --> 01:13:12,560
Speaker 1: was fantastic.

1587
01:13:12,600 --> 01:13:13,680
Speaker 5: You know, I got it.

1588
01:13:13,880 --> 01:13:17,280
Speaker 1: But the point is that the dude is phenomenal on

1589
01:13:17,320 --> 01:13:20,519
Speaker 1: a multitude of levels. And when he has done for

1590
01:13:20,760 --> 01:13:24,640
Speaker 1: us as black people in this nation in terms of

1591
01:13:24,680 --> 01:13:28,920
Speaker 1: his business acumen, his commitment to excellence. You know, this

1592
01:13:29,040 --> 01:13:32,000
Speaker 1: brother takes care of his body. He's always in shape.

1593
01:13:32,280 --> 01:13:34,960
Speaker 1: I mean I looked at He's the reason that I

1594
01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:37,080
Speaker 1: got mad at Anthony Davis last.

1595
01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:38,759
Speaker 6: Year because I'm looking at Anthony Davis.

1596
01:13:38,880 --> 01:13:41,080
Speaker 1: You know this brother vouched for you, right, you know

1597
01:13:41,160 --> 01:13:44,400
Speaker 1: this brother his name on the line for you, right,

1598
01:13:44,560 --> 01:13:46,280
Speaker 1: I know you. I know you got him the ring

1599
01:13:46,320 --> 01:13:48,040
Speaker 1: in the bubble, but you understand that.

1600
01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:48,760
Speaker 6: Don't stop there?

1601
01:13:48,880 --> 01:13:51,960
Speaker 1: Right? How is he in better shape than you? How

1602
01:13:52,080 --> 01:13:54,760
Speaker 1: is he more focused and dedicated than you? Could you

1603
01:13:54,960 --> 01:13:59,080
Speaker 1: take your ass over his house and and mimic his workout,

1604
01:13:59,439 --> 01:14:03,800
Speaker 1: use his trainer, use his nutritionness, do something, and you

1605
01:14:03,880 --> 01:14:06,439
Speaker 1: under saying I'm saying, I'm like, it's like, come on now,

1606
01:14:06,560 --> 01:14:12,240
Speaker 1: look man, I'm the star. First day he tell you

1607
01:14:12,320 --> 01:14:16,800
Speaker 1: some shin shaw, I'm gonna do some more pushups. Bro'ess

1608
01:14:16,800 --> 01:14:18,800
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I'm gonna change my diet even more.

1609
01:14:20,040 --> 01:14:22,519
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna let you down, bro, I'm not. I'm

1610
01:14:22,520 --> 01:14:26,160
Speaker 1: not gonna be there. I got shinning and Ron RC

1611
01:14:26,479 --> 01:14:28,720
Speaker 1: sitting across from me with him with his sitting this

1612
01:14:28,880 --> 01:14:31,200
Speaker 1: facility in Louisiana and all of this.

1613
01:14:31,160 --> 01:14:33,880
Speaker 4: Other stuff, And I'm gonna roll around with a belly.

1614
01:14:33,560 --> 01:14:35,519
Speaker 1: And looking all shit. Oh no, no, no, it ain't

1615
01:14:35,520 --> 01:14:37,519
Speaker 1: going down like that. It ain't going down like that.

1616
01:14:37,680 --> 01:14:39,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be in shape, bro, I've been getting the

1617
01:14:39,760 --> 01:14:42,280
Speaker 1: shape I already lost some pounds. I really do it.

1618
01:14:42,320 --> 01:14:44,240
Speaker 1: My body fat and half. I did all that. But

1619
01:14:44,320 --> 01:14:47,559
Speaker 1: what I'm I'll never be the black Hawk, but you are.

1620
01:14:47,600 --> 01:14:49,760
Speaker 1: I ain't trying to do that. But you ain't gonna

1621
01:14:49,760 --> 01:14:52,400
Speaker 1: look at me and go like this. Damn he needed

1622
01:14:52,400 --> 01:14:55,599
Speaker 1: to get the Jimmy ain't in shape. I ain't gonna

1623
01:14:55,600 --> 01:14:57,680
Speaker 1: do that. I ain't gonna do Homa bring it that.

1624
01:14:57,720 --> 01:14:59,800
Speaker 1: You got Molly sitting in the middle and stuff like that.

1625
01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:03,200
Speaker 1: You sitting across from me. I'm like, and I'm looking Chabby, Nah,

1626
01:15:03,200 --> 01:15:05,200
Speaker 1: it ain't going down like that. And I'm looking at

1627
01:15:05,240 --> 01:15:09,120
Speaker 1: Anthony Davis like, ain't there's nothing inside of you that said,

1628
01:15:10,160 --> 01:15:12,400
Speaker 1: you know, I need to be in shape. You gonna

1629
01:15:12,439 --> 01:15:17,280
Speaker 1: drop forty one game and eleven and next Come on, bro,

1630
01:15:17,800 --> 01:15:20,479
Speaker 1: come on bro. You know it's like you looking at

1631
01:15:20,560 --> 01:15:23,599
Speaker 1: Lebron and I literally almost went on the air.

1632
01:15:23,600 --> 01:15:26,000
Speaker 6: It was like, you know, Lebron, I'm.

1633
01:15:25,840 --> 01:15:29,080
Speaker 1: Sorry I felt that bad for you because I'm like,

1634
01:15:29,360 --> 01:15:34,560
Speaker 1: in his twentieth year in the league, he's in better shape,

1635
01:15:35,000 --> 01:15:37,720
Speaker 1: and he the best player, and he actually don't want

1636
01:15:37,720 --> 01:15:40,320
Speaker 1: to be He actually wishes you were in better shape.

1637
01:15:40,360 --> 01:15:43,360
Speaker 1: He actually wishes you were the better player which you

1638
01:15:43,479 --> 01:15:47,560
Speaker 1: are where you bring your a game, but it's sporadic

1639
01:15:47,920 --> 01:15:50,559
Speaker 1: because of a lack of dedication. In my opinion, I

1640
01:15:50,560 --> 01:15:53,720
Speaker 1: don't know that, but I'm like, wouldn't you think that

1641
01:15:54,280 --> 01:15:57,320
Speaker 1: if you were Lebron, Like, wait a minute, when something missing?

1642
01:15:57,640 --> 01:15:59,000
Speaker 1: You ain't doing sun right.

1643
01:15:59,320 --> 01:16:02,880
Speaker 5: I'm almost ten years more in the league with more

1644
01:16:02,920 --> 01:16:03,479
Speaker 5: wear and tears.

1645
01:16:03,520 --> 01:16:05,479
Speaker 1: Come on, man, come on, man, and you in l

1646
01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:07,320
Speaker 1: A and you know this because you've been out here,

1647
01:16:07,479 --> 01:16:11,560
Speaker 1: live out here now a different flavor. You know you

1648
01:16:11,720 --> 01:16:14,400
Speaker 1: got to be disciplined to be out here. You can't

1649
01:16:14,760 --> 01:16:18,880
Speaker 1: you you you can't easily locate the distract I mean

1650
01:16:18,960 --> 01:16:21,280
Speaker 1: they are easy to find. Distractions.

1651
01:16:21,320 --> 01:16:23,280
Speaker 3: Well, that's the thing with discipline. It requires you to

1652
01:16:23,320 --> 01:16:24,760
Speaker 3: do your best with no one. You think, no one

1653
01:16:24,840 --> 01:16:27,000
Speaker 3: is watched. There you go, there you go. You know

1654
01:16:27,040 --> 01:16:27,519
Speaker 3: what I'm saying.

1655
01:16:27,560 --> 01:16:30,760
Speaker 1: Listen. When I'm in l A, Bro, I don't come

1656
01:16:30,800 --> 01:16:32,760
Speaker 1: outside until I finish my work out. Other than the

1657
01:16:32,800 --> 01:16:34,840
Speaker 1: first take, I don't come outside until I finish my

1658
01:16:34,880 --> 01:16:38,240
Speaker 1: workout because I know once I get outside there's gonna

1659
01:16:38,280 --> 01:16:40,080
Speaker 1: be a wild before I get back.

1660
01:16:41,160 --> 01:16:43,439
Speaker 3: I'm just not gonna put You're gonna.

1661
01:16:43,280 --> 01:16:45,280
Speaker 1: Be because I'm just I'm just not gonna want to.

1662
01:16:45,280 --> 01:16:46,360
Speaker 1: I'm just like, you know what I'm saying. You know

1663
01:16:48,280 --> 01:16:48,639
Speaker 1: that's right.

1664
01:16:48,640 --> 01:16:51,080
Speaker 5: We're gonna be We're gonna be in the gym together, in.

1665
01:16:51,160 --> 01:16:55,320
Speaker 1: Gym that I'm not listen, you wanted you want to

1666
01:16:55,439 --> 01:16:57,600
Speaker 1: meme that people will be laughing at me for the

1667
01:16:57,640 --> 01:17:00,320
Speaker 1: next two decades have me in the gym with sharing

1668
01:17:00,320 --> 01:17:02,800
Speaker 1: his shop. Come on, man, you know what I'm saying.

1669
01:17:03,280 --> 01:17:05,960
Speaker 1: That's like, that's like the rock standing next to Snoop Dog.

1670
01:17:06,200 --> 01:17:08,800
Speaker 1: We ain't doing that. We're the snupids my job. You

1671
01:17:08,800 --> 01:17:10,479
Speaker 1: know you know I love you, baby, You know I

1672
01:17:10,520 --> 01:17:12,120
Speaker 1: love you. Know what I mean? Come on now, I

1673
01:17:12,120 --> 01:17:15,120
Speaker 1: ain't doing that. I'm not getting in the gym with you.

1674
01:17:14,600 --> 01:17:16,840
Speaker 5: You won't work out, huh, just won't work out.

1675
01:17:16,880 --> 01:17:19,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna work out every listen, I work out. You

1676
01:17:19,240 --> 01:17:21,960
Speaker 1: know what I might do that I might I'm gonna

1677
01:17:21,960 --> 01:17:24,400
Speaker 1: wait a few months, though, I'm gonna wait a few months.

1678
01:17:24,560 --> 01:17:26,120
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna do that just yet.

1679
01:17:26,320 --> 01:17:29,960
Speaker 5: Okay, Dame yea man and James Harden situation.

1680
01:17:30,120 --> 01:17:33,160
Speaker 3: Yes, shir Dame is you know he looks he saw

1681
01:17:33,280 --> 01:17:36,120
Speaker 3: James Harden get fined one hundred thousand for calling Daryl

1682
01:17:36,160 --> 01:17:38,760
Speaker 3: Mourray a liar. He's like, I ain't trying to, you know,

1683
01:17:39,200 --> 01:17:43,120
Speaker 3: lose any of my money. So what's what's your take

1684
01:17:43,120 --> 01:17:44,080
Speaker 3: on those situations?

1685
01:17:45,320 --> 01:17:49,400
Speaker 1: Well, when I think about Dame, it's more sensitive to

1686
01:17:49,479 --> 01:17:54,640
Speaker 1: me because Dame could have demanded out several occasions and

1687
01:17:54,680 --> 01:17:58,160
Speaker 1: he never did. And it's Portland. It ain't like he

1688
01:17:58,200 --> 01:18:00,720
Speaker 1: didn't demand out of La on my end, right, he

1689
01:18:00,760 --> 01:18:03,760
Speaker 1: didn't demand out a poor right, okay, and he was

1690
01:18:03,800 --> 01:18:05,800
Speaker 1: never gonna get anybody to come to pot he was gonna.

1691
01:18:07,439 --> 01:18:10,240
Speaker 1: So now that he's been there a decade and he's like,

1692
01:18:10,360 --> 01:18:15,000
Speaker 1: it's time look out for the brother now. Now, should

1693
01:18:15,040 --> 01:18:17,679
Speaker 1: he have handled it a tab bit differently in terms

1694
01:18:17,720 --> 01:18:22,320
Speaker 1: of all right, I shouldn't have said, just Miami, try

1695
01:18:22,320 --> 01:18:25,160
Speaker 1: to work behind the scenes to get this done. Maybe

1696
01:18:25,160 --> 01:18:27,599
Speaker 1: he shouldn't have done that, right, But the bottom line

1697
01:18:27,680 --> 01:18:31,120
Speaker 1: is he's given Portland everything he's had, right, and you know,

1698
01:18:31,160 --> 01:18:33,320
Speaker 1: you moving in a different direction, you drop your number.

1699
01:18:33,360 --> 01:18:37,519
Speaker 1: The third overall pick is your school. Henderson's play your position.

1700
01:18:37,800 --> 01:18:40,400
Speaker 1: Come on, y'all, get it done, you know. And so

1701
01:18:40,560 --> 01:18:43,799
Speaker 1: that's how I feel. I support Dame on that. James

1702
01:18:43,800 --> 01:18:47,040
Speaker 1: Hard is a different animal, and I like James, but

1703
01:18:47,640 --> 01:18:51,439
Speaker 1: James gotta be more accountable. You got everything you want.

1704
01:18:51,479 --> 01:18:53,559
Speaker 1: They gave you everything but a Pacify and a BIB

1705
01:18:53,640 --> 01:18:57,639
Speaker 1: in Houston. Whatever you wanted they gave They did everything, money,

1706
01:18:57,760 --> 01:19:01,519
Speaker 1: helicopter rods, massad, therapist suits, hang out, the strip club

1707
01:19:01,560 --> 01:19:04,200
Speaker 1: or whenever you want to everything, you want to Vegas,

1708
01:19:04,240 --> 01:19:07,000
Speaker 1: whenever you want me. They gave you everything, and Darryl

1709
01:19:07,040 --> 01:19:09,280
Speaker 1: Moury took care of you to the point where Mike

1710
01:19:09,320 --> 01:19:11,439
Speaker 1: d'antonia didn't even show negative players at James Harder. When

1711
01:19:11,520 --> 01:19:13,360
Speaker 1: James Harden was in the film room, he showed about

1712
01:19:13,360 --> 01:19:15,599
Speaker 1: everybody else wouldn't even show home in the film room.

1713
01:19:15,680 --> 01:19:17,280
Speaker 1: This is me covering the NBA. I'm telling you what

1714
01:19:17,320 --> 01:19:20,040
Speaker 1: I know. Then you force your way out. You want

1715
01:19:20,040 --> 01:19:21,760
Speaker 1: to go to Philly because you want to go with

1716
01:19:21,800 --> 01:19:24,320
Speaker 1: Darryl Moore. You want to follow him there, but they

1717
01:19:24,360 --> 01:19:26,160
Speaker 1: say no, So you want to go to Brooklyn. They

1718
01:19:26,160 --> 01:19:28,320
Speaker 1: tell you no. Initially, you show up the camp out

1719
01:19:28,320 --> 01:19:29,920
Speaker 1: of shape. You make it very very clear that you

1720
01:19:29,960 --> 01:19:31,880
Speaker 1: ain't trying to do anything because you're trying to get

1721
01:19:31,920 --> 01:19:33,960
Speaker 1: the hell out of town. So they ultimately trade you

1722
01:19:34,000 --> 01:19:36,920
Speaker 1: to Brooklyn. You get in Brooklyn, they you force your

1723
01:19:36,920 --> 01:19:38,320
Speaker 1: way out of it because you want to go with

1724
01:19:38,360 --> 01:19:40,120
Speaker 1: Daryl Morey and Philly, which is where you wanted to

1725
01:19:40,120 --> 01:19:45,160
Speaker 1: go all along. Now, although we can't absolve Darryl Morey,

1726
01:19:45,200 --> 01:19:46,920
Speaker 1: if you lied to the man, you lied to me,

1727
01:19:47,360 --> 01:19:53,880
Speaker 1: ain't nobody giving, ain't nobody blaming, right, you know, if

1728
01:19:53,920 --> 01:19:57,400
Speaker 1: you told him that, you owe him that correct fit period.

1729
01:19:58,160 --> 01:20:02,479
Speaker 1: But why is anybody gonna be sympathetic to James Harden

1730
01:20:02,479 --> 01:20:05,839
Speaker 1: with what James Harden has done on three separate occasions,

1731
01:20:06,240 --> 01:20:08,439
Speaker 1: and now you're doing it a fourth And you gotta

1732
01:20:08,439 --> 01:20:11,559
Speaker 1: remember when he was in Houston. I want Dwight Howard.

1733
01:20:12,320 --> 01:20:15,920
Speaker 1: I don't want Dwhight Howard. I want Carmelo Anthony, don't

1734
01:20:15,920 --> 01:20:19,240
Speaker 1: want Carmelo Anthony. I want CP three. I don't want

1735
01:20:19,240 --> 01:20:24,200
Speaker 1: CP three. I want Russ. I don't want Russ. And

1736
01:20:24,200 --> 01:20:27,800
Speaker 1: now one single championship to show for it. It ain't

1737
01:20:27,920 --> 01:20:31,280
Speaker 1: like you are champion making these demands. You getting paid.

1738
01:20:31,360 --> 01:20:33,760
Speaker 1: You're a show stopper, we get it, but you have

1739
01:20:33,920 --> 01:20:38,120
Speaker 1: no championships to show for any of your efforts. At

1740
01:20:38,160 --> 01:20:40,960
Speaker 1: some point in time, somebody got to be willing to

1741
01:20:40,960 --> 01:20:43,240
Speaker 1: say to you, yo, can you give me a little

1742
01:20:43,280 --> 01:20:45,799
Speaker 1: bit more? Oh? By the way, don't get me started

1743
01:20:45,800 --> 01:20:48,760
Speaker 1: with close out games in the playoffs. We just saw

1744
01:20:48,800 --> 01:20:51,000
Speaker 1: what you did in the Game seven nine points, three

1745
01:20:51,040 --> 01:20:53,840
Speaker 1: and eleven shooting, and a Game seven close out game

1746
01:20:53,840 --> 01:20:56,639
Speaker 1: against Boston. You had him for Game six, you were

1747
01:20:56,720 --> 01:20:59,320
Speaker 1: up three to two on your home turf in Philadelphia,

1748
01:20:59,560 --> 01:21:02,240
Speaker 1: and look what happened. Those are the kind of things

1749
01:21:02,240 --> 01:21:05,519
Speaker 1: that I'm talking about. And so when something like that happens, man,

1750
01:21:07,640 --> 01:21:11,120
Speaker 1: I can't support that, right can. I can like him

1751
01:21:11,439 --> 01:21:13,720
Speaker 1: and be cool with him, but I can't support those

1752
01:21:14,160 --> 01:21:17,080
Speaker 1: decisions that he's can't do it. What's Katy's legacy going

1753
01:21:17,120 --> 01:21:19,400
Speaker 1: to be? What's Kevin Durant's legacy gonna do?

1754
01:21:20,360 --> 01:21:22,960
Speaker 3: I think, Stephen A. He was up three to one

1755
01:21:23,560 --> 01:21:26,160
Speaker 3: on the Golden State Warriors. He's up three to one

1756
01:21:26,240 --> 01:21:32,519
Speaker 3: on a seventy three win team, lose Game five, lose

1757
01:21:32,560 --> 01:21:35,640
Speaker 3: Game six, lose Game seven, and in games five and

1758
01:21:35,720 --> 01:21:37,960
Speaker 3: six and seven of games five and six, he shot

1759
01:21:38,000 --> 01:21:38,679
Speaker 3: the ball terrible.

1760
01:21:38,800 --> 01:21:41,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I will tell you this. I think that Kevin

1761
01:21:41,800 --> 01:21:44,040
Speaker 1: Durant is one of the greatest players that I've ever seen.

1762
01:21:46,560 --> 01:21:54,519
Speaker 1: But when I saw how things materialized in Brooklyn and

1763
01:21:54,560 --> 01:21:57,320
Speaker 1: then he went to Phoenix and got bounced out in

1764
01:21:57,320 --> 01:22:03,280
Speaker 1: the second round of Denver. What I said was, I

1765
01:22:03,320 --> 01:22:06,840
Speaker 1: can't put him above Lebron. I used to look at

1766
01:22:06,920 --> 01:22:11,880
Speaker 1: him and his offensive arsenal and think that, But what

1767
01:22:11,960 --> 01:22:15,080
Speaker 1: I realized is that I'm not showing enough respect and

1768
01:22:15,160 --> 01:22:20,400
Speaker 1: appreciation to the leadership that Lebron has exerted and exhibited.

1769
01:22:21,120 --> 01:22:23,680
Speaker 1: Lebron has been the face of every franchise he's been on,

1770
01:22:26,080 --> 01:22:30,640
Speaker 1: even though d Wade was that leader in Miami. And

1771
01:22:30,680 --> 01:22:33,280
Speaker 1: when you look at Lebron, what he had to deal

1772
01:22:33,360 --> 01:22:36,760
Speaker 1: with with Kyrie, you know, what he had to deal

1773
01:22:36,800 --> 01:22:38,479
Speaker 1: with when he arrived in LA what he had to

1774
01:22:38,520 --> 01:22:41,400
Speaker 1: deal with with all the vitriol aimed in his direction

1775
01:22:41,600 --> 01:22:49,160
Speaker 1: in Miami and stuff like that. Mental toughness, ultimately leadership accountability.

1776
01:22:49,720 --> 01:22:51,599
Speaker 1: You know, of course his he is in Cleveland. Of course,

1777
01:22:51,800 --> 01:22:55,120
Speaker 1: when you look at all of these things, he showed

1778
01:22:55,160 --> 01:22:58,360
Speaker 1: an ability to deal with things. Kevin Durant did not right.

1779
01:22:58,880 --> 01:23:01,920
Speaker 1: Kevin Durant is a phenom. I'm player, a good brother,

1780
01:23:02,520 --> 01:23:04,600
Speaker 1: really authentic in a lot of ways. I got a

1781
01:23:04,640 --> 01:23:07,559
Speaker 1: lot of love for him. He is a two time champion,

1782
01:23:07,600 --> 01:23:09,560
Speaker 1: in two time NBA Finals MVP. We can't tell I

1783
01:23:09,560 --> 01:23:11,160
Speaker 1: don't care that he's playing with the Golden State Warriors.

1784
01:23:11,200 --> 01:23:14,639
Speaker 1: He averaged thirty five, he was the MVP. He balled out,

1785
01:23:14,800 --> 01:23:18,280
Speaker 1: you know, he showed his greatness. But the problem that

1786
01:23:18,360 --> 01:23:21,160
Speaker 1: I would tell you that was really put on display

1787
01:23:21,240 --> 01:23:25,320
Speaker 1: in Brooklyn. He needed to be a leader. But he

1788
01:23:25,360 --> 01:23:27,439
Speaker 1: doesn't want that. He's already told you that, And that's

1789
01:23:27,479 --> 01:23:30,840
Speaker 1: the difference. Lebron wants it. Lebron wants to be the leader.

1790
01:23:31,200 --> 01:23:32,080
Speaker 1: Lebron accepts it.

1791
01:23:32,439 --> 01:23:32,640
Speaker 6: You know.

1792
01:23:33,240 --> 01:23:36,960
Speaker 1: You know, Kyrie is Kyrie, and you know I'm not

1793
01:23:37,000 --> 01:23:38,600
Speaker 1: here to I'm not gonna throw no shade. Me and

1794
01:23:38,680 --> 01:23:41,600
Speaker 1: Kyrie have had our issues. That stuff has been resolved.

1795
01:23:42,000 --> 01:23:43,960
Speaker 1: But the point is is that at the end of

1796
01:23:44,000 --> 01:23:50,599
Speaker 1: the day, Kyrie, that is somebody that Kevin Durant, if

1797
01:23:50,640 --> 01:23:52,200
Speaker 1: he were that leader.

1798
01:23:52,439 --> 01:23:55,599
Speaker 6: Had to reel in right by simply saying, man.

1799
01:23:56,360 --> 01:23:59,559
Speaker 1: Bump all this. We trying to win the chip. Kyrie

1800
01:23:59,560 --> 01:24:02,080
Speaker 1: doesn't hurt his ankle against Milwaukee in the playoffs, Brooklyn

1801
01:24:02,160 --> 01:24:03,519
Speaker 1: might have won it all right, because I think they

1802
01:24:03,520 --> 01:24:05,639
Speaker 1: win that series against Milwaukee, and I think they could

1803
01:24:05,640 --> 01:24:08,920
Speaker 1: have beaten Phoenix. I mean, it's just that simple to me.

1804
01:24:09,160 --> 01:24:11,080
Speaker 1: And so when I'm looking at it from that perspective,

1805
01:24:11,520 --> 01:24:15,200
Speaker 1: I'm just saying to myself, you, Kevin Durant, it's about

1806
01:24:15,240 --> 01:24:18,400
Speaker 1: living and let living, and I'll do my job now.

1807
01:24:19,000 --> 01:24:22,400
Speaker 1: It's about making sure that the ultimate job is to

1808
01:24:22,479 --> 01:24:25,600
Speaker 1: try to win the chip and letting nothing stand in

1809
01:24:25,640 --> 01:24:28,920
Speaker 1: the way of that. If you're on a football field,

1810
01:24:29,200 --> 01:24:30,599
Speaker 1: Ray Lewis might have been the leader.

1811
01:24:31,560 --> 01:24:32,719
Speaker 5: You ain't gonna be quiet.

1812
01:24:33,160 --> 01:24:35,479
Speaker 1: If you see cats blowing your opportunity to win the

1813
01:24:35,520 --> 01:24:37,840
Speaker 1: Super Bowl Championship, You're gonna be like yo. And I

1814
01:24:37,880 --> 01:24:41,120
Speaker 1: remember when Isaiah Thomas, the Great Isaiah Thomas, two time Champion,

1815
01:24:41,160 --> 01:24:43,960
Speaker 1: Hall of Famale Isaiah Thomas was arguing, will be one

1816
01:24:44,040 --> 01:24:47,120
Speaker 1: time about Kyrie And I said to him it was

1817
01:24:47,160 --> 01:24:50,000
Speaker 1: over the back seat thing, and I said, I'm gonna

1818
01:24:50,080 --> 01:24:53,439
Speaker 1: end this conversation right now, Zeke by one simple question.

1819
01:24:55,520 --> 01:24:58,599
Speaker 1: If a member of the Detroit Pistons that was such

1820
01:24:58,600 --> 01:25:01,439
Speaker 1: an integral part of your champion your ship hopes, took

1821
01:25:01,520 --> 01:25:04,679
Speaker 1: that position, what would you have done? Isaiah started laughing.

1822
01:25:05,120 --> 01:25:07,760
Speaker 1: He said, as a team, we had have snatched his

1823
01:25:07,840 --> 01:25:10,479
Speaker 1: ass up, we had sat him down, tied them up,

1824
01:25:10,920 --> 01:25:13,800
Speaker 1: and we had ejected the shitting. To myself, he said,

1825
01:25:13,880 --> 01:25:15,160
Speaker 1: now you might have been mad at us.

1826
01:25:15,479 --> 01:25:17,960
Speaker 5: You might have been mad at us, right, but we would.

1827
01:25:17,840 --> 01:25:20,439
Speaker 1: Have done it, I said, I rest my case. All

1828
01:25:20,479 --> 01:25:22,960
Speaker 1: I'm saying is that at the end of the day,

1829
01:25:23,000 --> 01:25:25,960
Speaker 1: were trying to win and anything that gets in a

1830
01:25:26,000 --> 01:25:30,200
Speaker 1: way of that is secondary right to that actually being

1831
01:25:30,240 --> 01:25:32,439
Speaker 1: the priority. It's all I'm saying. And I think Kevin

1832
01:25:32,479 --> 01:25:34,680
Speaker 1: Durant should have had that attitude, and I don't think

1833
01:25:34,720 --> 01:25:35,200
Speaker 1: he didn't.

1834
01:25:35,720 --> 01:25:38,320
Speaker 3: You look at the West, the Nuggets won the championships.

1835
01:25:38,360 --> 01:25:40,120
Speaker 3: I like Nicola Yokich. I think he's one of the

1836
01:25:40,120 --> 01:25:42,919
Speaker 3: two best players in all of basketball. You got Phoenix

1837
01:25:43,040 --> 01:25:48,040
Speaker 3: this is a year book and Katie together, Brandley Bill joined.

1838
01:25:48,360 --> 01:25:50,720
Speaker 3: You got the Warriors CP three. What's gonna be his

1839
01:25:50,880 --> 01:25:53,960
Speaker 3: role in that situation? The Lakers if Anthony Davis is healthy,

1840
01:25:54,000 --> 01:25:57,600
Speaker 3: I like that. They they have depth. Austin Reeves I

1841
01:25:57,680 --> 01:25:57,960
Speaker 3: like him.

1842
01:25:58,680 --> 01:25:59,720
Speaker 1: I like him.

1843
01:26:00,479 --> 01:26:02,559
Speaker 5: What's how's the westcot shaking?

1844
01:26:02,640 --> 01:26:05,320
Speaker 1: First of all, we always root for the Lakers because

1845
01:26:05,320 --> 01:26:07,960
Speaker 1: they're stuff to colorfor. I mean, you know, if you

1846
01:26:08,000 --> 01:26:09,919
Speaker 1: ask me, do I want to go to San Francisco

1847
01:26:09,960 --> 01:26:12,439
Speaker 1: or La is l a all day every day twice

1848
01:26:12,439 --> 01:26:16,840
Speaker 1: for Sundays, so so just for my own personal preferences,

1849
01:26:17,080 --> 01:26:19,680
Speaker 1: it's always La La Miami is my dream scenario. That's

1850
01:26:19,720 --> 01:26:21,519
Speaker 1: why I was so miserable doing COVID because the one

1851
01:26:21,560 --> 01:26:26,519
Speaker 1: time I wanted to get my dreams in the bubble,

1852
01:26:26,560 --> 01:26:28,719
Speaker 1: I was so depressed. I was so depressed. But I'll

1853
01:26:28,760 --> 01:26:34,200
Speaker 1: tell you this, I don't believe in Anthony Davis in

1854
01:26:34,320 --> 01:26:37,599
Speaker 1: terms of his availability. I'm not talking about his skill set.

1855
01:26:37,960 --> 01:26:40,320
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about whether he cares or not. I'm

1856
01:26:40,360 --> 01:26:45,960
Speaker 1: talking about injury prone, sporadic. There's something going on with

1857
01:26:46,080 --> 01:26:48,960
Speaker 1: him where instead of talking about me getting in the gym,

1858
01:26:49,000 --> 01:26:50,439
Speaker 1: you need to be jogging in him to get in

1859
01:26:50,439 --> 01:26:53,080
Speaker 1: the gym, because it's just up and down. It's like

1860
01:26:53,439 --> 01:26:56,080
Speaker 1: it's like it's like this brother sat up there, ate

1861
01:26:56,280 --> 01:26:58,600
Speaker 1: healthy meal one day and then ate a bag of

1862
01:26:58,680 --> 01:27:01,080
Speaker 1: skittles the next, and it's this plumbing.

1863
01:27:01,160 --> 01:27:01,840
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying.

1864
01:27:01,920 --> 01:27:04,920
Speaker 1: I don't understand it, and I can't have faith in that.

1865
01:27:05,040 --> 01:27:07,400
Speaker 1: I think they'll make the playoffs. I think they'll be formidable.

1866
01:27:08,200 --> 01:27:10,360
Speaker 1: I dismissed the Clippers because I just don't believe that

1867
01:27:10,400 --> 01:27:12,760
Speaker 1: Kawhi Lennard will ever be healthy. I just don't believe that.

1868
01:27:12,880 --> 01:27:14,160
Speaker 5: Well U Paul George's miss Damn.

1869
01:27:14,200 --> 01:27:17,040
Speaker 1: There's much time I agree with you. That's totally totally true, Troy.

1870
01:27:18,479 --> 01:27:20,280
Speaker 1: I remember I just saw the numbers recently. I think

1871
01:27:20,479 --> 01:27:22,360
Speaker 1: Paul George misses about thirty eight percent of his game

1872
01:27:22,400 --> 01:27:24,200
Speaker 1: in Kauhi is at forty eight percent. So I think

1873
01:27:24,200 --> 01:27:27,080
Speaker 1: it's around that. Paul George talking about he gonna play

1874
01:27:27,120 --> 01:27:29,240
Speaker 1: bully ball and all that. We'll see, you know what

1875
01:27:29,320 --> 01:27:31,400
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Especially Hen talking to him and Devin Book

1876
01:27:31,520 --> 01:27:32,960
Speaker 1: was going back and forth. I got to see that

1877
01:27:33,040 --> 01:27:35,839
Speaker 1: right because I know Devin Book is coming that dude,

1878
01:27:36,200 --> 01:27:38,080
Speaker 1: de Book. Devin Book is real and I'm talking about

1879
01:27:38,120 --> 01:27:41,040
Speaker 1: his mentality. He ain't scared of nothing. He coming for you.

1880
01:27:41,080 --> 01:27:43,000
Speaker 1: So I definitely respect that. And we're gonna see what

1881
01:27:43,040 --> 01:27:45,760
Speaker 1: Bill and kd do together as well. Phoenix, to me,

1882
01:27:45,800 --> 01:27:49,080
Speaker 1: should be the favorites. You look at Denver, uh, They're

1883
01:27:49,120 --> 01:27:51,920
Speaker 1: obviously formidable and you got that cohesive missile. I would

1884
01:27:51,920 --> 01:27:54,320
Speaker 1: tell you a rematch between Denver and Phoenix and all

1885
01:27:54,400 --> 01:27:57,559
Speaker 1: likelihood the conference finals as opposed to the divisional playoff

1886
01:27:57,600 --> 01:28:01,559
Speaker 1: round semifinals. Rather, we'll see that, but that's what comes

1887
01:28:01,600 --> 01:28:03,960
Speaker 1: to my mind. I don't expect much from Dallas, even

1888
01:28:04,000 --> 01:28:06,000
Speaker 1: though Anthony Edwards is on the rise, I don't expect

1889
01:28:06,040 --> 01:28:08,479
Speaker 1: much from Minnesota. I don't expect much from Minnesota. I

1890
01:28:08,520 --> 01:28:10,080
Speaker 1: think that was to me they don't have the person out.

1891
01:28:10,160 --> 01:28:12,360
Speaker 3: Do you think do you think Minnesota should not run

1892
01:28:12,360 --> 01:28:15,519
Speaker 3: the team through Anthony Edwards as opposed to Cat Yes, yeah,

1893
01:28:15,520 --> 01:28:16,200
Speaker 3: I agree.

1894
01:28:16,000 --> 01:28:18,200
Speaker 1: I agree totally. I think that Anthony Edwards is one

1895
01:28:18,200 --> 01:28:20,800
Speaker 1: of those dudes. He's one of those dudes. He's coming

1896
01:28:21,120 --> 01:28:24,360
Speaker 1: and I feel that way. But I definitely think that

1897
01:28:24,400 --> 01:28:26,639
Speaker 1: when you look at the two teams, I would look

1898
01:28:26,680 --> 01:28:29,880
Speaker 1: at Phoenix and Denver, and then I would look at

1899
01:28:29,920 --> 01:28:32,760
Speaker 1: the Lakers and Clippers on the outside on the come up, right.

1900
01:28:33,240 --> 01:28:36,960
Speaker 1: That's how I view the West. You didn't mention the Grizzlies,

1901
01:28:37,240 --> 01:28:40,840
Speaker 1: obviously the Josh situation. Hopefully, I think they're people should

1902
01:28:40,840 --> 01:28:41,559
Speaker 1: have mentioned the Grizzlies.

1903
01:28:41,760 --> 01:28:45,599
Speaker 3: They're appealing his twenty five game suspension, so I'm under

1904
01:28:45,600 --> 01:28:47,519
Speaker 3: the assumption that it's gonna stick. Let's just say, for

1905
01:28:47,600 --> 01:28:49,719
Speaker 3: the sake for this argument, it's going to stick.

1906
01:28:49,880 --> 01:28:50,479
Speaker 1: It's gonna stick.

1907
01:28:51,200 --> 01:28:54,600
Speaker 3: You've been outspoken yet, I've been very outspoken, and I

1908
01:28:54,640 --> 01:28:57,160
Speaker 3: don't know jall, but if I could sit down, I

1909
01:28:57,240 --> 01:28:59,400
Speaker 3: just think he was I just thought he was moving

1910
01:28:59,400 --> 01:29:03,639
Speaker 3: in a direction that wasn't conducing to accomplish what he

1911
01:29:03,720 --> 01:29:06,719
Speaker 3: really really wanted to accomplish. That's been an outstanding basketball player,

1912
01:29:07,080 --> 01:29:09,200
Speaker 3: be a brand the job, brand being one of the

1913
01:29:09,200 --> 01:29:13,479
Speaker 3: faces of the NBA. I agree with you, what if

1914
01:29:13,520 --> 01:29:15,240
Speaker 3: there's some advice you could give him. I don't know

1915
01:29:15,280 --> 01:29:15,880
Speaker 3: how well you know.

1916
01:29:15,880 --> 01:29:17,040
Speaker 6: It's dad, I don't.

1917
01:29:17,080 --> 01:29:17,439
Speaker 1: I don't.

1918
01:29:17,479 --> 01:29:18,960
Speaker 6: I've met him both at once.

1919
01:29:20,560 --> 01:29:21,559
Speaker 1: John's a great player.

1920
01:29:21,800 --> 01:29:22,960
Speaker 5: Jo's phenomenal.

1921
01:29:23,120 --> 01:29:26,240
Speaker 1: And I think that Jah is gonna come back with

1922
01:29:26,280 --> 01:29:29,240
Speaker 1: a vengeance. You know, I really really believe he's gonna

1923
01:29:29,240 --> 01:29:32,080
Speaker 1: come back with a vengeance. He's gonna recavoc. And I

1924
01:29:32,120 --> 01:29:34,960
Speaker 1: love the acquisition of Marcus Smart I got bossed by

1925
01:29:35,000 --> 01:29:36,400
Speaker 1: the way as my favorite overall.

1926
01:29:36,680 --> 01:29:37,760
Speaker 5: Really yes, I do.

1927
01:29:38,000 --> 01:29:40,360
Speaker 1: Wow. I think porzingis at seven to three with the

1928
01:29:40,400 --> 01:29:43,080
Speaker 1: ability to step away from the basket and shoot, combined

1929
01:29:43,120 --> 01:29:47,360
Speaker 1: with Tatum and Brown still keeping Al Horford okay and

1930
01:29:47,479 --> 01:29:50,640
Speaker 1: Robert Williams in the mix with a Derek with a

1931
01:29:50,720 --> 01:29:53,439
Speaker 1: Derek White, with a Malcolm Brogdon the range and sixth

1932
01:29:53,520 --> 01:29:55,680
Speaker 1: man of the year. I think when you look at

1933
01:29:55,680 --> 01:29:59,040
Speaker 1: their depth, athleticism and perimeter shooting, their ability to defend

1934
01:29:59,320 --> 01:30:01,200
Speaker 1: the fact that was Zula has a year under his

1935
01:30:01,240 --> 01:30:03,599
Speaker 1: belt coach and the team. I think all of those

1936
01:30:03,640 --> 01:30:05,840
Speaker 1: things bowled well for Boston. They been knocking on the

1937
01:30:05,880 --> 01:30:08,680
Speaker 1: door long enough. You Jalen Brown, you just signed three

1938
01:30:08,720 --> 01:30:11,120
Speaker 1: hundred million dollars, You damn well better show up. And

1939
01:30:11,160 --> 01:30:13,280
Speaker 1: if you and if you Jason Tatum, who's in line

1940
01:30:13,320 --> 01:30:15,439
Speaker 1: for about three hundred and sixty million, you damn well

1941
01:30:15,439 --> 01:30:18,120
Speaker 1: better show up. And so I'm gonna assume that they will.

1942
01:30:18,320 --> 01:30:22,200
Speaker 1: But I think Mark is smart. Losing him it'll be

1943
01:30:22,240 --> 01:30:24,880
Speaker 1: felt to some degree, but I definitely think it's gonna

1944
01:30:24,880 --> 01:30:27,840
Speaker 1: help Memphis immensely, right, And I think that, you know

1945
01:30:27,960 --> 01:30:28,920
Speaker 1: a and I think that.

1946
01:30:28,840 --> 01:30:31,160
Speaker 5: And you get Steven Adams back Stan Clark.

1947
01:30:30,920 --> 01:30:34,400
Speaker 1: And people don't realize Adams and Clark being gone. Lakers

1948
01:30:34,400 --> 01:30:37,120
Speaker 1: don't beat them like that. If Adams and Clark are healthy,

1949
01:30:37,439 --> 01:30:39,920
Speaker 1: that just doesn't happen, cause Adams and Clark are no joke.

1950
01:30:40,160 --> 01:30:42,360
Speaker 6: And so I take that into consideration as well.

1951
01:30:42,800 --> 01:30:46,720
Speaker 1: Having said all of that, I'm not sure. And they're

1952
01:30:46,760 --> 01:30:50,720
Speaker 1: shooting collectively, right, okay, So that concerns me. I think

1953
01:30:50,760 --> 01:30:54,240
Speaker 1: they're sporadic defensively, that concerns me. I think they're coaching

1954
01:30:54,280 --> 01:30:56,880
Speaker 1: concerns me to some degree, So I look at Memphis.

1955
01:30:56,920 --> 01:31:00,240
Speaker 1: But in terms of my advice to Joe, it's this, man,

1956
01:31:03,040 --> 01:31:06,280
Speaker 1: some people you gotta leave behind. And I don't mean

1957
01:31:06,360 --> 01:31:09,920
Speaker 1: cut them off like you don't know them. I don't

1958
01:31:09,920 --> 01:31:12,479
Speaker 1: mean cut them off like you can't be with them.

1959
01:31:12,920 --> 01:31:16,120
Speaker 1: But I'll give you a perfect example. I got brothers

1960
01:31:16,120 --> 01:31:20,160
Speaker 1: that I grew up with in Queens, New York. Half

1961
01:31:20,200 --> 01:31:22,479
Speaker 1: of them are dead cause you know, the drug game

1962
01:31:22,560 --> 01:31:25,080
Speaker 1: was real prevalent then, and I was blessed that I

1963
01:31:25,160 --> 01:31:27,720
Speaker 1: was never a part of it, but most of my

1964
01:31:27,760 --> 01:31:31,439
Speaker 1: friends were. And you know, I got a couple of

1965
01:31:31,600 --> 01:31:34,880
Speaker 1: I got a couple of brothers that you know, did

1966
01:31:34,920 --> 01:31:41,080
Speaker 1: some time, and I'll always look out for them. I'll

1967
01:31:41,080 --> 01:31:44,439
Speaker 1: always have love for them, Shannon, they can't hang with me. No,

1968
01:31:45,439 --> 01:31:47,519
Speaker 1: they can't hang with me. You're not coming to work

1969
01:31:47,560 --> 01:31:49,800
Speaker 1: with me. You're not coming to a game with me.

1970
01:31:50,200 --> 01:31:53,280
Speaker 1: That's not happening. I see a neighborhood. What's uff?

1971
01:31:53,320 --> 01:31:55,360
Speaker 6: How you doing? You need me for anything?

1972
01:31:55,360 --> 01:31:57,240
Speaker 1: What's so? What you need? I can help you. I'm

1973
01:31:57,280 --> 01:31:59,880
Speaker 1: more happy to do that. So I'm not told about ostracizing.

1974
01:32:01,439 --> 01:32:04,680
Speaker 1: But the NBA is your business. What happened with Ja

1975
01:32:04,760 --> 01:32:08,479
Speaker 1: Moran cast him about sixty million ounces. Sixty million ounce,

1976
01:32:08,880 --> 01:32:11,240
Speaker 1: You ain't getting that back, no matter how much money

1977
01:32:11,240 --> 01:32:14,040
Speaker 1: you get, you ain't getting that back. And so for me,

1978
01:32:14,800 --> 01:32:18,760
Speaker 1: you know, with his dad, Look, I'm a father, you're

1979
01:32:18,760 --> 01:32:22,720
Speaker 1: a father. Here's the deal. I know you can't tell

1980
01:32:22,760 --> 01:32:25,160
Speaker 1: your son, literally tell him what to do. He's a

1981
01:32:25,200 --> 01:32:29,439
Speaker 1: grown up, right, but certain things he don't need to

1982
01:32:29,479 --> 01:32:32,000
Speaker 1: be doing it right in front of you. Correct you

1983
01:32:32,120 --> 01:32:36,599
Speaker 1: the grown up, you dad, and you are not supposed

1984
01:32:36,600 --> 01:32:39,439
Speaker 1: to be trying to live the life he live in.

1985
01:32:40,400 --> 01:32:41,160
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying.

1986
01:32:41,320 --> 01:32:44,000
Speaker 1: Y'all made it and you're gonna make it even more.

1987
01:32:44,600 --> 01:32:46,440
Speaker 5: And so it's not to cast.

1988
01:32:46,200 --> 01:32:49,799
Speaker 1: Dispersions, assault them, detegrate them in any way. Who wouldn't

1989
01:32:49,880 --> 01:32:52,519
Speaker 1: root for Ja Moran? Who ain't rooting for him to succeed.

1990
01:32:53,000 --> 01:32:55,280
Speaker 1: I don't know anybody that they I know I'm rooting

1991
01:32:55,280 --> 01:32:58,360
Speaker 1: for him. I know you're rooting for them. But how

1992
01:32:58,400 --> 01:33:01,080
Speaker 1: are we helping you? If we see you doing stuff

1993
01:33:01,080 --> 01:33:03,920
Speaker 1: that we know could potentially lead to your downfall and

1994
01:33:04,000 --> 01:33:06,120
Speaker 1: we say nothing, are we really trying to help you?

1995
01:33:06,200 --> 01:33:08,599
Speaker 1: If we say nothing, No, we're not trying to help you.

1996
01:33:08,720 --> 01:33:11,040
Speaker 1: And that's why we say something, because we want you

1997
01:33:11,200 --> 01:33:14,799
Speaker 1: to correct the errors so you could rise and prosper

1998
01:33:14,840 --> 01:33:15,679
Speaker 1: and live your life.

1999
01:33:16,080 --> 01:33:17,519
Speaker 3: I don't know what you feel about this, but I

2000
01:33:17,560 --> 01:33:20,559
Speaker 3: said this at the time the seventy fifth anniversary. I

2001
01:33:20,640 --> 01:33:24,479
Speaker 3: said Anthony Davis shouldn't have made it over to White Howard.

2002
01:33:25,200 --> 01:33:28,599
Speaker 3: Stan Van Gundy said, you can't make a case to

2003
01:33:28,680 --> 01:33:31,200
Speaker 3: say is Anthony Davis's career has been better than the

2004
01:33:31,240 --> 01:33:32,200
Speaker 3: White Howard.

2005
01:33:33,000 --> 01:33:33,880
Speaker 5: What's your take on that?

2006
01:33:34,240 --> 01:33:36,560
Speaker 6: I kind of agree.

2007
01:33:36,720 --> 01:33:40,760
Speaker 1: Anthony Davis was a prolific scorer, but at the end

2008
01:33:40,800 --> 01:33:43,400
Speaker 1: of the day, he wasn't relevant until he arrived to

2009
01:33:43,400 --> 01:33:47,679
Speaker 1: the Lakers with Lebron correct Dwight Howard was a three

2010
01:33:47,720 --> 01:33:51,439
Speaker 1: time Defensive Player of the Year, extraordinary shot blocker and eraser.

2011
01:33:52,640 --> 01:33:55,320
Speaker 1: Was never the offensive player that Anthony Davis know us,

2012
01:33:55,840 --> 01:34:00,920
Speaker 1: but certainly was just as impactful, yes, and morel because

2013
01:34:01,240 --> 01:34:04,080
Speaker 1: he was on the squad that Anthony Davis won a

2014
01:34:04,160 --> 01:34:07,200
Speaker 1: championship with as a reserve, right, which means he's got

2015
01:34:07,200 --> 01:34:11,120
Speaker 1: a ring too, right, And so you offset that and

2016
01:34:11,160 --> 01:34:15,040
Speaker 1: now look at their careers. Even though the talent that

2017
01:34:15,280 --> 01:34:18,600
Speaker 1: is Anthony Davis I consider to be better than the

2018
01:34:18,600 --> 01:34:23,559
Speaker 1: White Howard, right, the impact of your career is not

2019
01:34:23,760 --> 01:34:25,799
Speaker 1: greater than that of the right Howard.

2020
01:34:25,880 --> 01:34:27,680
Speaker 3: D White Howard took the team to the NBA finals. Yes,

2021
01:34:27,760 --> 01:34:29,360
Speaker 3: he did in his prime. He's one of the five

2022
01:34:29,400 --> 01:34:30,080
Speaker 3: best players.

2023
01:34:29,880 --> 01:34:30,280
Speaker 5: In the NBA.

2024
01:34:30,320 --> 01:34:33,800
Speaker 1: Absolutely, absolutely, So I can't disagree with that. I can't.

2025
01:34:34,280 --> 01:34:36,479
Speaker 1: I can say Anthony Davis is a better talent, yes,

2026
01:34:36,720 --> 01:34:40,160
Speaker 1: but it also highlights what you must not be doing

2027
01:34:40,479 --> 01:34:43,479
Speaker 1: because a lesser talent, that is Dwhite Howard was more

2028
01:34:43,520 --> 01:34:45,040
Speaker 1: impactful than you were. Right.

2029
01:34:45,800 --> 01:34:50,679
Speaker 3: Players under twenty five, you got Luca JT, Trey Young, Zion,

2030
01:34:50,800 --> 01:34:54,639
Speaker 3: Anthony Edwards. You know what, Zion, because you've been very

2031
01:34:54,680 --> 01:34:57,560
Speaker 3: I've been very outspoken, Steven that you know, I'm a

2032
01:34:57,640 --> 01:35:00,599
Speaker 3: nutritional guy. Guy, I'm in the b and I said

2033
01:35:00,600 --> 01:35:02,679
Speaker 3: that he just do me. I said, y'all a chief,

2034
01:35:02,720 --> 01:35:05,000
Speaker 3: Oh Shaddy, you don't know what's going on. I say, bro,

2035
01:35:05,800 --> 01:35:08,160
Speaker 3: the man is three hundred plus. I can tell he's

2036
01:35:08,240 --> 01:35:12,479
Speaker 3: not eating the way he should in order to maximize burgers.

2037
01:35:13,600 --> 01:35:15,960
Speaker 3: But you know, you you know in New Orleans eating

2038
01:35:16,000 --> 01:35:19,639
Speaker 3: gumbo and you say and Jumbaliah everything.

2039
01:35:19,960 --> 01:35:23,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, So what Joa?

2040
01:35:23,640 --> 01:35:26,400
Speaker 3: How do we how do we get Zion to understand

2041
01:35:26,439 --> 01:35:28,240
Speaker 3: because I think the greatest person that he needs to

2042
01:35:28,240 --> 01:35:30,360
Speaker 3: sit down and have an hour long conversation with is

2043
01:35:30,439 --> 01:35:35,600
Speaker 3: Charles Barkley. He's a more athletic Charles Barkley.

2044
01:35:37,560 --> 01:35:43,040
Speaker 1: I just gotta be honest. I don't think he cares enough. Wow,

2045
01:35:43,160 --> 01:35:45,400
Speaker 1: I don't think he cares enough. I'm not saying he

2046
01:35:45,400 --> 01:35:49,519
Speaker 1: doesn't care. I'm not talking about caring. I'm talking about

2047
01:35:49,520 --> 01:35:54,360
Speaker 1: that fire passion that it's the end all beyond, because

2048
01:35:54,479 --> 01:35:56,360
Speaker 1: I believe he's in a market he don't want to

2049
01:35:56,360 --> 01:35:58,920
Speaker 1: be in. That said, I believe if he was in

2050
01:35:59,000 --> 01:36:02,240
Speaker 1: New York or someplace where he really really wanted to be,

2051
01:36:03,360 --> 01:36:08,200
Speaker 1: we see a more dedicated zion to his physicality. And

2052
01:36:08,240 --> 01:36:11,240
Speaker 1: the point is is that I don't know that to

2053
01:36:11,280 --> 01:36:15,320
Speaker 1: be sure. But you can't walk around as big as

2054
01:36:15,320 --> 01:36:18,920
Speaker 1: he is. No, and tell me you dedicated, right, You can't.

2055
01:36:19,320 --> 01:36:22,640
Speaker 1: You can't because even when you're when you're restricted in

2056
01:36:22,720 --> 01:36:24,760
Speaker 1: terms of your mobility, you know what you'll do. You'll

2057
01:36:24,800 --> 01:36:28,639
Speaker 1: eat less and you'll eat better because you'll fear bloating,

2058
01:36:29,080 --> 01:36:32,200
Speaker 1: you'll fear blowing up and not being ready when called upon.

2059
01:36:32,320 --> 01:36:34,839
Speaker 1: Once you here, that hasn't been the case.

2060
01:36:34,720 --> 01:36:38,840
Speaker 3: Because if you eating bad while you're active in running

2061
01:36:38,920 --> 01:36:41,479
Speaker 3: up and down the court. What the hell you think

2062
01:36:41,520 --> 01:36:43,720
Speaker 3: you're gonna eat when you can't run up and down

2063
01:36:43,760 --> 01:36:46,080
Speaker 3: the court, that's right. So now the thirty pound that

2064
01:36:46,120 --> 01:36:48,400
Speaker 3: you took off because you was healthy and athletic and

2065
01:36:48,439 --> 01:36:51,280
Speaker 3: running up and down the court, you better put fifty back.

2066
01:36:51,160 --> 01:36:54,280
Speaker 1: Home, exactly. And that's exactly how I feel. And because

2067
01:36:54,280 --> 01:36:58,680
Speaker 1: of that, again, I love Zion's game. I believe he's

2068
01:36:58,720 --> 01:37:00,719
Speaker 1: a potential superstar in this league.

2069
01:37:01,000 --> 01:37:02,120
Speaker 6: He's something to behold.

2070
01:37:02,720 --> 01:37:06,720
Speaker 1: But I think it's fair to question his commitment to

2071
01:37:06,800 --> 01:37:10,479
Speaker 1: his conditioning, right. And if you're questioning somebody's commissions, you know,

2072
01:37:10,560 --> 01:37:13,599
Speaker 1: commitment to conditioning, you're questioning whether or not they care.

2073
01:37:14,360 --> 01:37:15,880
Speaker 6: And that's really what it comes down to.

2074
01:37:15,840 --> 01:37:16,280
Speaker 5: The right.

2075
01:37:16,640 --> 01:37:19,639
Speaker 3: We've talked about players under twenty five, Luca, Jason Tatum,

2076
01:37:19,680 --> 01:37:23,519
Speaker 3: Trey Young, Zion, Anthony Edwards, LaMelo Chake, Gil just D Fox,

2077
01:37:23,840 --> 01:37:26,960
Speaker 3: or Jordan Poole. I'm gonna give you one guy of

2078
01:37:27,479 --> 01:37:29,160
Speaker 3: those guys I mentioned, who you taking.

2079
01:37:30,680 --> 01:37:33,880
Speaker 1: A lot of people would say Luca, I'm gonna say

2080
01:37:33,960 --> 01:37:39,479
Speaker 1: Jason Tatum. Jason Tatum sixty nine, jaseon to shoot the three.

2081
01:37:40,080 --> 01:37:42,719
Speaker 1: I saw Jason Tatum drop forty six in a close

2082
01:37:42,760 --> 01:37:46,280
Speaker 1: out playoff Game six in Milwaukee's I saw Jason Tatum

2083
01:37:46,320 --> 01:37:49,519
Speaker 1: handle his business in the game seven. I've seen a

2084
01:37:49,560 --> 01:37:52,720
Speaker 1: young Jason Tatum, who ain't even twenty seven years of

2085
01:37:52,800 --> 01:37:57,760
Speaker 1: age yet be a primary option on a team that's

2086
01:37:57,800 --> 01:38:02,840
Speaker 1: going to five conference championship game, a championship series, in

2087
01:38:02,840 --> 01:38:06,840
Speaker 1: an NBA Finals. I just look at him and I say,

2088
01:38:06,880 --> 01:38:09,840
Speaker 1: and not only that, we just talked about conditioning. There

2089
01:38:09,880 --> 01:38:12,120
Speaker 1: have been times when we looked at Luker and we've

2090
01:38:12,200 --> 01:38:16,200
Speaker 1: said he ain't in shape. He's getting in shape right

2091
01:38:16,280 --> 01:38:18,160
Speaker 1: the season progresses, correct, we.

2092
01:38:18,040 --> 01:38:20,439
Speaker 6: Look at Jason Tatum from day one and say.

2093
01:38:20,280 --> 01:38:22,400
Speaker 1: He's in shape right.

2094
01:38:22,520 --> 01:38:23,280
Speaker 6: That matters to me.

2095
01:38:23,920 --> 01:38:25,880
Speaker 1: I would go with Jason Tatum.

2096
01:38:26,120 --> 01:38:30,479
Speaker 3: Andre Agodalad says, the player with the mentality is closest

2097
01:38:30,479 --> 01:38:32,240
Speaker 3: to Kobe Bryant is Jimmy Butler.

2098
01:38:33,160 --> 01:38:33,840
Speaker 5: You agree with that.

2099
01:38:35,600 --> 01:38:41,640
Speaker 1: Closest to Kobe Bryant is Jimmy Butler. As far as mentality,

2100
01:38:42,600 --> 01:38:45,519
Speaker 1: you could say that I would beg to differ who

2101
01:38:45,560 --> 01:38:45,880
Speaker 1: you like.

2102
01:38:46,280 --> 01:38:50,040
Speaker 6: Devin Booker, Jimmy Butler works.

2103
01:38:51,240 --> 01:38:55,120
Speaker 1: But the difference between Jimmy Butler and Devin Booker is

2104
01:38:55,240 --> 01:38:58,680
Speaker 1: Jimmy Butler doesn't care that much about offense until the

2105
01:38:58,720 --> 01:39:02,599
Speaker 1: postseason arrived. Right, Kobe cared about it all the time. Yeah,

2106
01:39:03,160 --> 01:39:04,760
Speaker 1: And Devin Booker cares about it.

2107
01:39:04,960 --> 01:39:05,400
Speaker 6: All the time.

2108
01:39:05,640 --> 01:39:10,519
Speaker 1: Right. They coming out looking for their shot from opening

2109
01:39:10,600 --> 01:39:15,519
Speaker 1: to off. Jimmy Butler sometimes you literally feel like you

2110
01:39:15,560 --> 01:39:17,439
Speaker 1: gotta throw something at him just to make him shoot

2111
01:39:17,439 --> 01:39:20,240
Speaker 1: the basketball he does. It's not a priority for him.

2112
01:39:20,560 --> 01:39:22,519
Speaker 6: And that is why I would say no on that

2113
01:39:22,600 --> 01:39:23,400
Speaker 6: Kobe comparison.

2114
01:39:23,800 --> 01:39:26,760
Speaker 3: Not much as known about Steven H's private life. Yep,

2115
01:39:27,320 --> 01:39:29,479
Speaker 3: You like myself, are very very private.

2116
01:39:29,560 --> 01:39:33,559
Speaker 1: Yep. How have you been able to maintain that level

2117
01:39:33,560 --> 01:39:37,920
Speaker 1: of privacy? Number one, I'm quick to sell somebody to

2118
01:39:37,920 --> 01:39:41,679
Speaker 1: mind that damn business, you know. And that's a kind

2119
01:39:41,720 --> 01:39:45,639
Speaker 1: way of putting it. And I will cancel a woman

2120
01:39:45,680 --> 01:39:48,759
Speaker 1: in a heartbeat that talks about my business. She utters

2121
01:39:48,800 --> 01:39:55,400
Speaker 1: my name, what publicly about us? She gone, I wouldn't

2122
01:39:55,400 --> 01:39:57,200
Speaker 1: have happy for us better?

2123
01:39:57,280 --> 01:39:59,320
Speaker 6: I don't care. I don't care, you.

2124
01:39:59,280 --> 01:40:03,600
Speaker 1: Know why, because I want you to know who my

2125
01:40:03,680 --> 01:40:07,839
Speaker 1: woman is when she's missus Smith. I'm talking about publicly.

2126
01:40:08,280 --> 01:40:11,080
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about you know, shann ain't gonna Shannon

2127
01:40:11,080 --> 01:40:11,840
Speaker 1: go beat my girl.

2128
01:40:12,040 --> 01:40:14,640
Speaker 6: You know, Jamie's Matt. I'm not talking about that.

2129
01:40:14,960 --> 01:40:18,559
Speaker 1: I'm talking about announcing that you see us and people talk.

2130
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Speaker 1: Oh no, let them talk. You better not talk.

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01:40:23,840 --> 01:40:25,360
Speaker 6: I will cancel you quick.

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Speaker 5: And can't so she can't post none on I G

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Speaker 5: Never I would.

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Speaker 1: She wouldn't. She wouldn't make it to my crib. I'm

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Speaker 1: telling you, I'm not joking. She wouldn't make it to

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Speaker 1: my crib. She can live five minutes away, she'd be

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01:40:36,760 --> 01:40:39,280
Speaker 1: going by five five minutes. I don't play that because

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01:40:39,320 --> 01:40:42,519
Speaker 1: here's the thing. I'm in the public eye. Let me

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01:40:42,520 --> 01:40:45,000
Speaker 1: tell you what to test what I detest. And I've

2140
01:40:45,080 --> 01:40:47,559
Speaker 1: never done this to another man. It makes me cringe

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01:40:47,600 --> 01:40:50,320
Speaker 1: when this happens to a man. I can't get over

2142
01:40:50,400 --> 01:40:54,000
Speaker 1: how these stars be messing with somebody and then you

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01:40:54,160 --> 01:40:58,880
Speaker 1: with somebody else. But that's who he used to mess with. Nah, yeah,

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01:40:58,960 --> 01:41:01,320
Speaker 1: no nothing, I mean you talking about it could be

2145
01:41:01,400 --> 01:41:03,360
Speaker 1: an ex. I'd be like, what are you talking about?

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01:41:03,800 --> 01:41:05,240
Speaker 6: That's a friend. I don't know what you're talking about.

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01:41:05,280 --> 01:41:06,280
Speaker 5: Step you messed with her?

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01:41:06,280 --> 01:41:08,240
Speaker 6: Who ain't you mess with?

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01:41:08,280 --> 01:41:08,960
Speaker 5: I don't know what you're talking.

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01:41:09,240 --> 01:41:11,720
Speaker 6: Ain't none of your business. I'm not doing that.

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01:41:12,240 --> 01:41:14,600
Speaker 1: You know when she missus Smith, you'll know who she

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01:41:14,760 --> 01:41:17,800
Speaker 1: is until that time, I might have messed with her.

2153
01:41:17,960 --> 01:41:20,240
Speaker 1: I might not have messed with her. You'll never know.

2154
01:41:20,880 --> 01:41:23,720
Speaker 1: I don't do that. And I can't stand when we

2155
01:41:23,760 --> 01:41:27,559
Speaker 1: see people out here like sharing their information and you

2156
01:41:27,600 --> 01:41:31,000
Speaker 1: know it's on Instagram and Twitter. We've grown ass men

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01:41:31,120 --> 01:41:34,840
Speaker 1: and women. When did everybody? When did your business become

2158
01:41:34,920 --> 01:41:38,519
Speaker 1: everybody else's business? Don't I don't vibe with that. I

2159
01:41:38,560 --> 01:41:42,840
Speaker 1: have no patience with that. And anybody who knows it,

2160
01:41:42,960 --> 01:41:46,120
Speaker 1: and I mean anybody who knows me, they'll tell you

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01:41:46,240 --> 01:41:50,240
Speaker 1: right now. I live in La five minutes from where

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01:41:50,280 --> 01:41:53,439
Speaker 1: we are. They wouldn't make it to my crib being

2163
01:41:53,479 --> 01:41:56,280
Speaker 1: my woman. If I saw something on social media that

2164
01:41:56,439 --> 01:41:59,519
Speaker 1: was initiated by them about me, they out.

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01:42:00,120 --> 01:42:01,000
Speaker 6: I wouldn't hesitate.

2166
01:42:01,120 --> 01:42:04,479
Speaker 1: I have been that way my entire adult life and

2167
01:42:04,520 --> 01:42:06,720
Speaker 1: I will never change When in that regard, I could

2168
01:42:06,720 --> 01:42:09,360
Speaker 1: be getting ready to getting married, wedding called off. So

2169
01:42:09,479 --> 01:42:11,040
Speaker 1: it was all the way game with me. So it

2170
01:42:11,080 --> 01:42:11,960
Speaker 1: was all the way game with me.

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01:42:12,080 --> 01:42:14,320
Speaker 3: It was always your It was always says once you

2172
01:42:14,400 --> 01:42:16,759
Speaker 3: got into the public eye, was to be private.

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01:42:17,360 --> 01:42:21,000
Speaker 1: Absolutely, it's not everybody's business. It's not everybody's business. Look,

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01:42:21,120 --> 01:42:24,679
Speaker 1: I know people business. You see me I'm on TV.

2175
01:42:24,800 --> 01:42:29,880
Speaker 1: I'm a professional journalist. I challenge anybody to talk about

2176
01:42:29,960 --> 01:42:34,080
Speaker 1: stephen A talking about their personal private business. Now, if

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01:42:34,120 --> 01:42:36,800
Speaker 1: you're walking on public and putting everything on display and

2178
01:42:36,840 --> 01:42:38,439
Speaker 1: all of that, all right, that's fine, you know what

2179
01:42:38,439 --> 01:42:40,360
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I just talked about Megan good to find

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01:42:40,400 --> 01:42:42,519
Speaker 1: that stuff the other day. Okay, I get it, you

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01:42:42,600 --> 01:42:44,960
Speaker 1: understand me, says an late that I mentioned you. She's

2182
01:42:45,000 --> 01:42:45,960
Speaker 1: been fine for you.

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01:42:45,960 --> 01:42:46,519
Speaker 6: You know what I mean.

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01:42:46,560 --> 01:42:49,120
Speaker 1: I got it your stuff like that. But you don't

2185
01:42:49,160 --> 01:42:52,439
Speaker 1: hear me talking about people's private business. I don't do it.

2186
01:42:52,800 --> 01:42:55,080
Speaker 1: I don't and I never ever will.

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01:42:55,840 --> 01:42:58,080
Speaker 3: I read where your daughters don't like when people come

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01:42:58,160 --> 01:43:01,000
Speaker 3: up to you and ask for autograph when they're in

2189
01:43:01,000 --> 01:43:01,519
Speaker 3: your presence.

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01:43:01,560 --> 01:43:05,320
Speaker 6: Oh oh my lord, listen man.

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01:43:06,000 --> 01:43:09,519
Speaker 5: Do they have a social media presence a little bit?

2192
01:43:09,640 --> 01:43:12,160
Speaker 1: But I try to monitor it, and you know, I

2193
01:43:12,280 --> 01:43:14,160
Speaker 1: lead that to their mom. But I will tell you

2194
01:43:14,240 --> 01:43:20,879
Speaker 1: this for me, Oh my god, being a dad for daughters,

2195
01:43:22,920 --> 01:43:30,000
Speaker 1: it's the greatest blessing and the worst curse. Because the

2196
01:43:30,040 --> 01:43:33,960
Speaker 1: blessing is you didn't know what love is until they

2197
01:43:34,000 --> 01:43:36,160
Speaker 1: You thought you knew what love was then.

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01:43:36,000 --> 01:43:36,719
Speaker 6: They came along.

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01:43:36,960 --> 01:43:42,559
Speaker 1: The curse is you didn't know what love is until

2200
01:43:42,560 --> 01:43:44,920
Speaker 1: they came along. So you're never at piece. You're always worried,

2201
01:43:45,320 --> 01:43:49,520
Speaker 1: worried about everything, worry about everything. And they did Daddy's

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01:43:49,640 --> 01:43:52,200
Speaker 1: you know, daughters. So they like me from the standpoint like,

2203
01:43:52,960 --> 01:43:54,960
Speaker 1: first of all, I'm not that special, I'm just dad.

2204
01:43:55,000 --> 01:43:57,800
Speaker 1: What is so big about you? I mean, please, why

2205
01:43:58,280 --> 01:44:01,000
Speaker 1: all you do is talk on television? I mean you cares?

2206
01:44:01,080 --> 01:44:04,280
Speaker 1: Oh lord o, can we hurry up? Please? What do

2207
01:44:04,360 --> 01:44:06,960
Speaker 1: they want your or to grab four? I mean, but

2208
01:44:07,120 --> 01:44:10,840
Speaker 1: then they get attitude, cause it's like they're taking our time,

2209
01:44:11,360 --> 01:44:15,320
Speaker 1: hurry upright, like literally, and it's like and I knew.

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01:44:16,040 --> 01:44:17,960
Speaker 6: I knew from the time my.

2211
01:44:18,040 --> 01:44:21,840
Speaker 1: Daughters was like seven, eight years old. I came home

2212
01:44:21,880 --> 01:44:25,280
Speaker 1: and I had to do I had to get to Dallas.

2213
01:44:25,880 --> 01:44:28,200
Speaker 1: I was supposed to go from La straight to Dallas.

2214
01:44:28,920 --> 01:44:33,880
Speaker 1: I literally flew home on the Red Eye just to

2215
01:44:33,920 --> 01:44:36,479
Speaker 1: take them to school and to give them a hug

2216
01:44:36,520 --> 01:44:37,080
Speaker 1: and a kiss.

2217
01:44:37,120 --> 01:44:39,240
Speaker 6: And I took them to school.

2218
01:44:39,280 --> 01:44:41,479
Speaker 1: They were all happy and bouncing around and all that stuff.

2219
01:44:41,479 --> 01:44:44,600
Speaker 1: And the children school and I said, Okay, Daddy gotta go.

2220
01:44:44,680 --> 01:44:48,960
Speaker 1: They're like what And I was like this, I probably

2221
01:44:51,400 --> 01:44:58,800
Speaker 1: they gotta go to work. Right in Dallas, and the

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01:44:58,840 --> 01:45:02,519
Speaker 1: teachers like just go just go right, and I get

2223
01:45:02,560 --> 01:45:04,439
Speaker 1: on get on the road. I'm going to the airport

2224
01:45:04,439 --> 01:45:07,240
Speaker 1: and I call the schools speak to and they like,

2225
01:45:07,320 --> 01:45:08,760
Speaker 1: could you call back later?

2226
01:45:09,240 --> 01:45:10,360
Speaker 6: They don't want to talk to you.

2227
01:45:10,920 --> 01:45:13,640
Speaker 1: And I'm like, this is seventy eight years old, right,

2228
01:45:13,760 --> 01:45:17,240
Speaker 1: It's like and I knew then my life's over. It

2229
01:45:17,280 --> 01:45:18,400
Speaker 1: belongs to them.

2230
01:45:18,600 --> 01:45:21,439
Speaker 6: They run my life. So I squeeze in things for.

2231
01:45:21,520 --> 01:45:25,719
Speaker 1: Me, right, But they're the generals. That's how it goes.

2232
01:45:25,840 --> 01:45:27,599
Speaker 5: Do your kids watch your kids?

2233
01:45:27,600 --> 01:45:27,720
Speaker 1: Are?

2234
01:45:27,800 --> 01:45:30,639
Speaker 5: They are at the age now they understand what you're fourteen?

2235
01:45:30,760 --> 01:45:33,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, so they understand what you do. Yes, they know

2236
01:45:33,560 --> 01:45:35,080
Speaker 3: who they know who Diad is.

2237
01:45:35,080 --> 01:45:38,040
Speaker 1: That's right, that's right. And they see me lied on

2238
01:45:38,080 --> 01:45:39,960
Speaker 1: a lot because a lot of times I've been accused

2239
01:45:39,960 --> 01:45:42,120
Speaker 1: of saying something or doing something that they didn't know better,

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01:45:42,400 --> 01:45:44,280
Speaker 1: or I was accused of being someplace like that and

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01:45:44,360 --> 01:45:46,439
Speaker 1: you was with us, you know. But but it's like

2242
01:45:46,520 --> 01:45:48,439
Speaker 1: it is what it is. They understand it. And I

2243
01:45:48,479 --> 01:45:52,759
Speaker 1: tell them it's about tough skin. You can't overreact to everything.

2244
01:45:52,760 --> 01:45:54,519
Speaker 1: You out to understand when you and the public eye,

2245
01:45:54,520 --> 01:45:57,080
Speaker 1: people gonna lie you all the time. They're gonna invade

2246
01:45:57,080 --> 01:46:00,519
Speaker 1: your privacy, they're gonna instigate stuff, they're willing to looking

2247
01:46:00,560 --> 01:46:03,479
Speaker 1: to provoke a reaction. And I can't give it to

2248
01:46:03,520 --> 01:46:05,519
Speaker 1: them because if I do, then I take debate and

2249
01:46:05,560 --> 01:46:07,840
Speaker 1: it can jeopardize what I'm trying to build. And so

2250
01:46:07,920 --> 01:46:10,040
Speaker 1: you explain those things to them and you hope that

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01:46:10,080 --> 01:46:10,759
Speaker 1: they understand.

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01:46:11,680 --> 01:46:14,320
Speaker 3: What advice would you give a young journalist, because you know,

2253
01:46:14,400 --> 01:46:17,280
Speaker 3: the newspaper business is not what it was when you

2254
01:46:17,400 --> 01:46:21,439
Speaker 3: got into it. Everybody gets there, you know, because it's

2255
01:46:21,439 --> 01:46:24,800
Speaker 3: so instantaneous, not stephen A. You got social media. So

2256
01:46:24,920 --> 01:46:28,160
Speaker 3: now ain't nobody just sitting there watching the six o'clock news,

2257
01:46:28,240 --> 01:46:30,240
Speaker 3: and ain't nobody just just reading the newspaper?

2258
01:46:30,720 --> 01:46:32,639
Speaker 5: So what advice would you give young journalists?

2259
01:46:32,680 --> 01:46:38,120
Speaker 1: First of all, understand that everything feeds off of information.

2260
01:46:38,520 --> 01:46:41,240
Speaker 1: You've got to be about the business of acquiring intel

2261
01:46:41,320 --> 01:46:43,960
Speaker 1: and information because that means you have something to talk about,

2262
01:46:44,400 --> 01:46:46,960
Speaker 1: you have something to write about, you have something express

2263
01:46:47,000 --> 01:46:53,640
Speaker 1: opinions about, whether it be via radio, television, podcast, newspaper, magazines,

2264
01:46:53,720 --> 01:46:58,200
Speaker 1: dot com, whatever, whatever content is. King content will never

2265
01:46:58,240 --> 01:47:01,800
Speaker 1: go anywhere. How people are receiving that content is what

2266
01:47:01,880 --> 01:47:06,240
Speaker 1: has changed linear television was once here. Now it's dissipating

2267
01:47:06,280 --> 01:47:08,439
Speaker 1: before our very eyes. There's some people that are projecting

2268
01:47:08,479 --> 01:47:11,479
Speaker 1: within the next decade, YouTube will be more popular than

2269
01:47:11,520 --> 01:47:14,040
Speaker 1: some of the networks, if not already, and so you

2270
01:47:14,120 --> 01:47:16,360
Speaker 1: have to take that into consideration. That's point number one.

2271
01:47:16,400 --> 01:47:19,320
Speaker 1: Point number two is that you're trying to build something,

2272
01:47:19,720 --> 01:47:22,559
Speaker 1: build a brand. Know who you are, know what you

2273
01:47:22,640 --> 01:47:27,680
Speaker 1: stand for, Recognize what gravitates folks towards you and what doesn't.

2274
01:47:27,720 --> 01:47:30,559
Speaker 1: And that's how you go about the business of building something.

2275
01:47:30,680 --> 01:47:33,920
Speaker 1: Number three, Master your business. You gotta know what you're

2276
01:47:33,960 --> 01:47:35,960
Speaker 1: talking about. You gotta know what you want to do.

2277
01:47:36,120 --> 01:47:37,800
Speaker 1: A lot of people want to podcast, Well, do you

2278
01:47:37,840 --> 01:47:39,800
Speaker 1: know what comes with the podcast? It ain't just a

2279
01:47:39,840 --> 01:47:42,679
Speaker 1: microphone and a camera. There's a production team that gets

2280
01:47:42,680 --> 01:47:45,599
Speaker 1: that's behind the scenes. There's a sales and marketing angle.

2281
01:47:46,320 --> 01:47:48,320
Speaker 1: There's a sales angle that comes with it, a marketing

2282
01:47:48,400 --> 01:47:51,479
Speaker 1: angle that comes with it, a technological angle that comes

2283
01:47:51,479 --> 01:47:54,320
Speaker 1: with it. These people operating these cameras, you know, you know,

2284
01:47:54,400 --> 01:47:57,280
Speaker 1: these microphones, making sure the audio is right. Except so,

2285
01:47:57,560 --> 01:48:00,120
Speaker 1: how much is that gonna cost? Okay? What level of

2286
01:48:00,120 --> 01:48:02,280
Speaker 1: course comes with it? Okay? One of the things that

2287
01:48:02,320 --> 01:48:04,240
Speaker 1: I would give advice to a lot of students want

2288
01:48:04,240 --> 01:48:07,719
Speaker 1: to come up no matter what major you take, minor

2289
01:48:07,760 --> 01:48:11,479
Speaker 1: in business, because everything comes down to business. Now you've

2290
01:48:11,520 --> 01:48:13,680
Speaker 1: got to be about the business of knowing what your

2291
01:48:13,760 --> 01:48:16,759
Speaker 1: business entails. That way, you know how to do business.

2292
01:48:16,920 --> 01:48:19,120
Speaker 1: You know what you're negotiating, you have an idea what

2293
01:48:19,200 --> 01:48:21,840
Speaker 1: it entails. You know when you've made mistakes and how

2294
01:48:21,840 --> 01:48:24,280
Speaker 1: to pick up on it. I started my own podcast

2295
01:48:24,400 --> 01:48:26,679
Speaker 1: months ago. I've made a lot of mistakes. Why because

2296
01:48:26,680 --> 01:48:27,960
Speaker 1: I never had a podcast before.

2297
01:48:28,160 --> 01:48:29,600
Speaker 6: I had to learn through osmosis.

2298
01:48:29,600 --> 01:48:33,679
Speaker 1: But I put myself through that fire initially on purpose,

2299
01:48:34,000 --> 01:48:37,240
Speaker 1: so when it grew as it's been growing that I'm

2300
01:48:37,280 --> 01:48:40,639
Speaker 1: in a position to now make the proper decisions because

2301
01:48:40,680 --> 01:48:45,040
Speaker 1: I use, you know, that infancy period to really learn

2302
01:48:45,120 --> 01:48:47,080
Speaker 1: and gain knowledge about the industry.

2303
01:48:47,280 --> 01:48:48,400
Speaker 6: How much is going.

2304
01:48:48,200 --> 01:48:51,000
Speaker 1: To cost, what my losses and my profits look like,

2305
01:48:51,080 --> 01:48:53,360
Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera. All of those things the things

2306
01:48:53,360 --> 01:48:56,000
Speaker 1: that you have to know because the business itself that

2307
01:48:56,200 --> 01:48:59,280
Speaker 1: used to exist is no longer. Now they're looking for

2308
01:48:59,360 --> 01:49:00,559
Speaker 1: you to bring your.

2309
01:49:00,439 --> 01:49:01,599
Speaker 5: Business to them.

2310
01:49:02,040 --> 01:49:05,400
Speaker 1: Shannon Sharp, you own your own podcast club Shayshay over

2311
01:49:05,439 --> 01:49:08,080
Speaker 1: a million followers doing your thing. Proud of you, my brother,

2312
01:49:08,320 --> 01:49:10,800
Speaker 1: keep doing your thing, no doubt. You got to keep

2313
01:49:10,840 --> 01:49:13,719
Speaker 1: doing that. You own and operate your business, and there's

2314
01:49:13,720 --> 01:49:16,640
Speaker 1: people around you that's working for you. So you're going

2315
01:49:16,720 --> 01:49:19,400
Speaker 1: to be attractive because you're bringing a business to a

2316
01:49:19,400 --> 01:49:24,040
Speaker 1: potential network to buy to least two et cetera, et cetera.

2317
01:49:24,320 --> 01:49:25,080
Speaker 5: They don't want to.

2318
01:49:25,040 --> 01:49:27,280
Speaker 1: Just employ people anymore. They don't want to deal with

2319
01:49:27,320 --> 01:49:29,800
Speaker 1: that overhead. They don't want to deal with the expenses

2320
01:49:29,840 --> 01:49:31,280
Speaker 1: that come with the overhead.

2321
01:49:31,520 --> 01:49:32,800
Speaker 5: They want you to deal with that.

2322
01:49:32,920 --> 01:49:36,920
Speaker 1: Now, got McAfee the deal he just signed with me.

2323
01:49:37,120 --> 01:49:39,120
Speaker 1: You got so many people hating on him. Shut up,

2324
01:49:39,400 --> 01:49:39,920
Speaker 1: all of y'all.

2325
01:49:39,920 --> 01:49:40,360
Speaker 5: Shut up.

2326
01:49:40,600 --> 01:49:44,200
Speaker 1: The man had his own business. He spent years developing

2327
01:49:44,200 --> 01:49:46,639
Speaker 1: his own business, betting on himself, just like you bet

2328
01:49:46,680 --> 01:49:49,599
Speaker 1: on yourself, Just like I'm betting on myself. I just

2329
01:49:49,640 --> 01:49:53,000
Speaker 1: started betting on myself because I was hindered contractually and

2330
01:49:53,040 --> 01:49:55,160
Speaker 1: I had a lot of obstacles to overcome in my

2331
01:49:55,280 --> 01:49:57,840
Speaker 1: career before I could get to this point. Although this

2332
01:49:57,920 --> 01:50:00,240
Speaker 1: was always the vision, I had to start late. This

2333
01:50:00,320 --> 01:50:02,759
Speaker 1: is what comes with it. When you know those things,

2334
01:50:02,960 --> 01:50:05,240
Speaker 1: you become a business. And as jay Z would say,

2335
01:50:05,240 --> 01:50:08,439
Speaker 1: I'm not a business man. I'm a business man and

2336
01:50:08,520 --> 01:50:09,760
Speaker 1: that's what people want to see.

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01:50:09,800 --> 01:50:11,320
Speaker 5: I'm gonna get you out of here on this one.

2338
01:50:11,400 --> 01:50:13,320
Speaker 5: Yet we both work with Skip.

2339
01:50:14,280 --> 01:50:16,000
Speaker 3: You work with him, I think a little longer than

2340
01:50:16,000 --> 01:50:18,640
Speaker 3: I have, and we both have given him credit for

2341
01:50:18,840 --> 01:50:23,240
Speaker 3: opening up his platform and allowing us to be who

2342
01:50:23,240 --> 01:50:26,120
Speaker 3: we are, and we could grow our own platforms, become

2343
01:50:26,200 --> 01:50:28,959
Speaker 3: as you mentioned earlier, businesses of myself.

2344
01:50:29,479 --> 01:50:31,240
Speaker 5: What's for the people?

2345
01:50:31,280 --> 01:50:33,200
Speaker 3: I don't know how many people have heard, And I'm

2346
01:50:33,200 --> 01:50:36,280
Speaker 3: gonna follow up after you, Skip, what's.

2347
01:50:36,479 --> 01:50:37,120
Speaker 5: He really like?

2348
01:50:37,160 --> 01:50:39,000
Speaker 3: Because I think the thing is, if you've never met him,

2349
01:50:39,040 --> 01:50:41,200
Speaker 3: you just see him on television, you say, Okay, that's

2350
01:50:41,280 --> 01:50:42,040
Speaker 3: himming who he is.

2351
01:50:42,520 --> 01:50:44,120
Speaker 1: Skip's a different beast. I don't.

2352
01:50:44,240 --> 01:50:44,800
Speaker 6: I don't know.

2353
01:50:44,800 --> 01:50:47,200
Speaker 1: If you can just describe him in one simple way

2354
01:50:47,320 --> 01:50:50,840
Speaker 1: you can you can't. This dude's definition of advice is

2355
01:50:50,920 --> 01:50:54,880
Speaker 1: dieing mountain dude. This dude was in the sixties and

2356
01:50:54,920 --> 01:50:57,439
Speaker 1: in the seventies, running anywhere for five to eight miles

2357
01:50:57,439 --> 01:51:01,679
Speaker 1: a day, eating the same meals for breakfast, lunch, at dinner,

2358
01:51:03,560 --> 01:51:08,080
Speaker 1: introducing himself to his now wife and their first date.

2359
01:51:08,640 --> 01:51:11,960
Speaker 1: You will never be more important than my job. Get

2360
01:51:12,000 --> 01:51:15,240
Speaker 1: over that from now or don't bother. I mean, that's

2361
01:51:15,280 --> 01:51:19,040
Speaker 1: his definition of turning her on. I guess. So I'm

2362
01:51:19,840 --> 01:51:23,679
Speaker 1: just like that's he's a different animal, you know, And

2363
01:51:23,800 --> 01:51:26,559
Speaker 1: there are highs and lows that come with him. Correct.

2364
01:51:26,960 --> 01:51:29,439
Speaker 1: He knows that there's highs and lows that come with me.

2365
01:51:29,520 --> 01:51:31,519
Speaker 1: There's highs and lows that come with you and everybody,

2366
01:51:32,320 --> 01:51:35,479
Speaker 1: and that's the way it goes. But you know, I'm

2367
01:51:35,520 --> 01:51:40,440
Speaker 1: a man first, and it's about a core decency of appreciation.

2368
01:51:41,120 --> 01:51:46,280
Speaker 1: The reality is is that no matter how problematic, and

2369
01:51:46,320 --> 01:51:49,960
Speaker 1: he can be problematic at times, no matter how problematic

2370
01:51:50,040 --> 01:51:53,200
Speaker 1: he can be, the reality is is that I wouldn't

2371
01:51:53,200 --> 01:51:55,080
Speaker 1: be where I am today if he didn't give me

2372
01:51:55,120 --> 01:51:58,840
Speaker 1: that opportunity on first take. And so for me to

2373
01:51:58,960 --> 01:52:02,200
Speaker 1: be where I am and to know that it's spring

2374
01:52:02,600 --> 01:52:07,000
Speaker 1: its springboards off of something that he was directly involved

2375
01:52:07,040 --> 01:52:12,360
Speaker 1: in making happen. For me to insult him in any

2376
01:52:12,400 --> 01:52:16,920
Speaker 1: ways just disrespectful. It's wrong and it's something that I

2377
01:52:16,960 --> 01:52:18,839
Speaker 1: would never do. Now. That don't mean I can't disagree

2378
01:52:18,840 --> 01:52:21,280
Speaker 1: with him absolutely. That doesn't mean that I can't feel

2379
01:52:21,360 --> 01:52:24,400
Speaker 1: that he's wrong. And anybody like a Jamie hard with

2380
01:52:24,560 --> 01:52:26,880
Speaker 1: yourself and others who know me have gotten to know me.

2381
01:52:26,960 --> 01:52:29,639
Speaker 1: In your case, you know, I would tell him he's

2382
01:52:29,680 --> 01:52:32,639
Speaker 1: wrong to his face. Right, he knows where I stand,

2383
01:52:33,920 --> 01:52:36,720
Speaker 1: But it doesn't take away my love and appreciation for

2384
01:52:36,880 --> 01:52:40,320
Speaker 1: him and the fact that he will always be a

2385
01:52:40,400 --> 01:52:43,320
Speaker 1: brother from another mother to me. Yes, So I've always

2386
01:52:43,360 --> 01:52:44,799
Speaker 1: made that clear with everybody.

2387
01:52:44,880 --> 01:52:47,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not often that someone can give you that opportunity.

2388
01:52:47,680 --> 01:52:50,240
Speaker 3: And I I I and I've said this several times.

2389
01:52:50,479 --> 01:52:53,600
Speaker 3: For me, I cannot let six months ruin six and

2390
01:52:53,640 --> 01:52:57,800
Speaker 3: a half good years, because sometimes people are willing to

2391
01:52:57,840 --> 01:53:01,599
Speaker 3: throw everything away for one mistake, a one bad comment,

2392
01:53:01,760 --> 01:53:04,800
Speaker 3: or one something like this. And even though that was

2393
01:53:04,840 --> 01:53:06,519
Speaker 3: all we were supposed to get. My sister tells me

2394
01:53:06,560 --> 01:53:08,639
Speaker 3: this all the time, says Shannon, this was all we're

2395
01:53:08,640 --> 01:53:12,839
Speaker 3: supposed to get. About four months ago, I had Tabitha

2396
01:53:12,840 --> 01:53:14,639
Speaker 3: Brown sitting great.

2397
01:53:14,640 --> 01:53:16,600
Speaker 1: I've interviewed her before. She's fantastic. Stephen A.

2398
01:53:17,520 --> 01:53:19,200
Speaker 5: She had no idea this was going on.

2399
01:53:19,280 --> 01:53:21,439
Speaker 3: So we wrapped the interview and I'm gonna end it

2400
01:53:21,520 --> 01:53:24,160
Speaker 3: on this one and I'm taking off my microphone.

2401
01:53:24,280 --> 01:53:25,920
Speaker 5: She says, is a mix off.

2402
01:53:26,040 --> 01:53:27,720
Speaker 3: I said, well, I'm taking my mic off, you can

2403
01:53:27,720 --> 01:53:30,280
Speaker 3: take yours off. We took our mics off and she

2404
01:53:30,400 --> 01:53:34,240
Speaker 3: leans in close to me. She said, I had a

2405
01:53:34,320 --> 01:53:37,439
Speaker 3: dream last night. God told me it's gonna be okay,

2406
01:53:37,680 --> 01:53:38,920
Speaker 3: and for you to go ahead and do what you

2407
01:53:38,960 --> 01:53:42,800
Speaker 3: need to do, she says, it's gonna be different, but

2408
01:53:42,840 --> 01:53:45,360
Speaker 3: you need to go on your own now. God told

2409
01:53:45,439 --> 01:53:48,000
Speaker 3: me that, she said. Now you do what you want

2410
01:53:48,040 --> 01:53:50,880
Speaker 3: to do with it. But God just she says, And

2411
01:53:50,920 --> 01:53:53,040
Speaker 3: when I get dreams like this, and I'm ever in

2412
01:53:53,120 --> 01:53:56,000
Speaker 3: the person's presence, it's my duty to tell.

2413
01:53:55,840 --> 01:53:59,200
Speaker 5: Them a month later.

2414
01:54:01,200 --> 01:54:04,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I'm like, and when she's telling me to

2415
01:54:04,080 --> 01:54:05,680
Speaker 3: Steven day, you see how you looking at me.

2416
01:54:05,720 --> 01:54:07,760
Speaker 5: I'm looking at her. Now you know what's going on.

2417
01:54:09,120 --> 01:54:11,479
Speaker 3: She said, God told me this last night. And it's

2418
01:54:11,520 --> 01:54:13,640
Speaker 3: funny that I'm sitting here doing this interview. Did this

2419
01:54:13,720 --> 01:54:15,880
Speaker 3: interview with you? And I needed to tell you this

2420
01:54:17,000 --> 01:54:20,719
Speaker 3: once she told me that I was at peace because

2421
01:54:20,720 --> 01:54:22,519
Speaker 3: I'm racking my brain. I'm like, what did I do?

2422
01:54:22,600 --> 01:54:25,120
Speaker 3: Did I say something that I fend somebody? I mean,

2423
01:54:25,240 --> 01:54:27,080
Speaker 3: I just I think I'm doing a great job.

2424
01:54:27,600 --> 01:54:30,400
Speaker 1: She said, be at peace with it. Yeah, and that's

2425
01:54:30,400 --> 01:54:32,440
Speaker 1: what I told you. You did, That's what I told

2426
01:54:32,440 --> 01:54:35,040
Speaker 1: you because the reality of the situation is is that

2427
01:54:35,320 --> 01:54:37,160
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not going to apologize. Listen, I got

2428
01:54:37,160 --> 01:54:39,400
Speaker 1: a lot of friends over there, all right, We all

2429
01:54:39,440 --> 01:54:41,640
Speaker 1: know that I know a lot of people. But that

2430
01:54:41,680 --> 01:54:44,800
Speaker 1: don't mean that what happened to you is fair play

2431
01:54:44,840 --> 01:54:47,400
Speaker 1: and simple. Okay, that ain't the end of the world, Nope,

2432
01:54:47,560 --> 01:54:48,520
Speaker 1: but it is what it is.

2433
01:54:48,600 --> 01:54:48,840
Speaker 5: Yeah.

2434
01:54:48,880 --> 01:54:52,960
Speaker 1: So you know, to me, it was just important for

2435
01:54:53,240 --> 01:54:57,120
Speaker 1: us in this industry to stand up and say, yo,

2436
01:54:58,080 --> 01:55:01,040
Speaker 1: he's one of us. You can't get them go out

2437
01:55:01,120 --> 01:55:03,520
Speaker 1: like this, And that was it for me. It was

2438
01:55:03,560 --> 01:55:05,680
Speaker 1: like it was just that simple. You go wherever you want.

2439
01:55:05,680 --> 01:55:07,000
Speaker 1: You want to come first take, fine, you want to

2440
01:55:07,040 --> 01:55:08,920
Speaker 1: go somewhere else, fine, because I got my crew here,

2441
01:55:09,000 --> 01:55:10,360
Speaker 1: first take. And I'm not trying to get rid of

2442
01:55:10,400 --> 01:55:13,600
Speaker 1: anybody saying because I'm not gonna do this forever. And

2443
01:55:13,040 --> 01:55:15,440
Speaker 1: when it's my time to cost, my time to go right,

2444
01:55:15,560 --> 01:55:17,560
Speaker 1: and it's time for somebody else to step up. But

2445
01:55:17,840 --> 01:55:21,000
Speaker 1: as long as I'm here, my attitude was gonna be. Listen,

2446
01:55:21,400 --> 01:55:23,760
Speaker 1: the people that have been a treasure and attribute to

2447
01:55:23,800 --> 01:55:27,400
Speaker 1: this industry are the people that I'm going to do

2448
01:55:27,440 --> 01:55:30,200
Speaker 1: all that I can to remind folks this is what

2449
01:55:30,240 --> 01:55:31,800
Speaker 1: they do. I don't want to be one of those

2450
01:55:31,880 --> 01:55:34,880
Speaker 1: dudes that I got these platforms first take, and I

2451
01:55:34,920 --> 01:55:37,800
Speaker 1: got my podcast, and I'm doing the NBA Countdown and

2452
01:55:37,880 --> 01:55:40,360
Speaker 1: I got more stuff coming down the line and everything

2453
01:55:40,440 --> 01:55:43,840
Speaker 1: like that, And all I'm talking about is what I'm doing.

2454
01:55:44,760 --> 01:55:48,280
Speaker 1: That's my job to highlight where everybody else is doing.

2455
01:55:48,520 --> 01:55:51,120
Speaker 3: You you wanted to few stephen A because I know

2456
01:55:51,200 --> 01:55:53,800
Speaker 3: a lot of people that have could have opportunities to

2457
01:55:53,840 --> 01:55:56,600
Speaker 3: help somebody, but they want to be the only ninja

2458
01:55:56,640 --> 01:55:57,000
Speaker 3: with money.

2459
01:55:57,240 --> 01:55:58,720
Speaker 6: No, I don't want that.

2460
01:55:59,040 --> 01:56:00,920
Speaker 1: And I told you this, and I tell the audience

2461
01:56:00,920 --> 01:56:02,600
Speaker 1: that I told you this. I said you might be

2462
01:56:02,680 --> 01:56:04,040
Speaker 1: a first take for one year, you might be a

2463
01:56:04,040 --> 01:56:08,000
Speaker 1: first take for years to come. It's my responsibility, and

2464
01:56:08,120 --> 01:56:12,240
Speaker 1: I'm dead serious, it's a heart attack. It's my responsibility

2465
01:56:12,320 --> 01:56:15,680
Speaker 1: to make sure that you are more successful with me

2466
01:56:16,440 --> 01:56:19,200
Speaker 1: than you were before you arrived. That's what you told me.

2467
01:56:19,280 --> 01:56:23,040
Speaker 1: That's my responsibility, and I'm gonna make sure it happens.

2468
01:56:23,040 --> 01:56:25,760
Speaker 1: Come Hell of higher water. We ain't going down, brother,

2469
01:56:25,840 --> 01:56:27,040
Speaker 1: we only don't.

2470
01:56:27,280 --> 01:56:29,400
Speaker 5: You know that.

2471
01:56:29,400 --> 01:56:30,120
Speaker 1: That's just the way.

2472
01:56:30,000 --> 01:56:36,800
Speaker 5: It's gonna go. Man, coming HBCU is the takeover.

2473
01:56:37,400 --> 01:56:40,960
Speaker 1: I ain't trying to lose I'm never about that. Anybody

2474
01:56:41,000 --> 01:56:42,960
Speaker 1: that knows me an't about that. I don't mean no

2475
01:56:43,000 --> 01:56:44,120
Speaker 1: disrespect to nobody.

2476
01:56:44,920 --> 01:56:48,680
Speaker 5: Y'all heard it. But I got here. M as good

2477
01:56:48,680 --> 01:56:52,880
Speaker 5: as it gets right here. Steven A. Smell, Monday, September four,

2478
01:56:54,040 --> 01:57:01,280
Speaker 5: No death, Grinding.

2479
01:57:01,000 --> 01:57:05,600
Speaker 2: All my life, sacrifice, hustle, pay the price. Wanta slice?

2480
01:57:05,880 --> 01:57:08,160
Speaker 2: Got to brow the dice, the squad all my life.

2481
01:57:08,280 --> 01:57:10,840
Speaker 2: I've been grinding all my life. Look all my life

2482
01:57:11,040 --> 01:57:14,920
Speaker 2: and grinning all my life. Sacrifice, hustle, pay the price,

2483
01:57:15,600 --> 01:57:16,280
Speaker 2: Want a slice?

2484
01:57:16,600 --> 01:57:18,880
Speaker 1: Got to brow the dice, the squad all my life.

2485
01:57:18,920 --> 01:57:22,640
Speaker 2: I've been grinding all my life.

2486
01:57:22,560 --> 01:57:22,800
Speaker 1: Yeah,