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Speaker 1: Straining live from the Dallas Cowboys World Headhoars at the
Speaker 1: Star in Price and now your hosts Isaiah stand Back,
Speaker 1: heck My Harrison, Rob Phillips, and Kyle Yeoman's. The preseason
Speaker 1: is in the rear view mirror. No more guessing, no
Speaker 1: more snap counts. It's time to talk some football, doll.
Speaker 1: That's the next time to Dallas Cowboys take the field.
Speaker 1: It'll be September ninth against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. And
Speaker 1: there's a lot of excitement around the fact that guess
Speaker 1: what the preseason's done. The Cowboys did go owen four,
Speaker 1: But guess what, the records don't really matter, and we're
Speaker 1: going to talk about that and so much more. As
Speaker 1: it is cut down day here at the Star and
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Speaker 1: from the SWBC Mortgage Studios. Heck My Harrison, Isaiah stand back,
Speaker 1: Rob Phillips, I'm Kyle Yeomans, and let's get right to it.
Speaker 1: No messing around on this show today. There will be
Speaker 1: plenty of hooligans on this show today. But let's get
Speaker 1: down to the nitty gritty. What does the cut scene
Speaker 1: look like right now? Rob Phillips A bunch of unofficial
Speaker 1: cuts right now as we sit here at eleven Central
Speaker 1: on cutdown Day. The ones that have been confirmed have
Speaker 1: been by Jerry Jones on the fan this morning. And
Speaker 1: you just put out a stat about the quarterback position.
Speaker 1: I did so, the Cowboy of the show. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: Cowboys cut two quarterbacks, both Garrett Gilbert and Ben Denucci
Speaker 1: are now have now both been waived by the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: And the Cowboys are the only team in the NFL
Speaker 1: at least at the moment that has cut multiple quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: That's something they at least keep an eye on moving forward.
Speaker 1: But they haven't made the most significant cut in the
Speaker 1: league at the quarterback position. Nope, That then came in
Speaker 1: New England. Yes, but they have made a couple of cuts.
Speaker 1: Ben to Nushi, Garrett Gilbert cut Cooper Rush, Heck Isaiah
Speaker 1: for now. He's the backup quarterback for now, along with
Speaker 1: some other guys. Again, it's unofficial, but there's been reports
Speaker 1: out of guys like Jaquon Hardy, Brandon Smith, Rondell Carter,
Speaker 1: Darian Thompson's probably the biggest name besides the quarterbacks that
Speaker 1: is expected to be released, and the full list will
Speaker 1: come out somewhere around three o'clock Central, right before then.
Speaker 1: And this is one of those crazy days in the
Speaker 1: NFL that you kind of have to look at and Isaiah,
Speaker 1: I know you've been through this before specifically, but what
Speaker 1: is this day like for the players? I mean walking in?
Speaker 1: Even Barry Church last week talked about it. He's like,
Speaker 1: I knew I was on the roster, but it was
Speaker 1: still in nerve wracking days that kind of what players
Speaker 1: are dealing with right now. Yeah, I don't think that
Speaker 1: there's a year aside from my first year in the
Speaker 1: league that I felt like I was safe, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So I'm probably I'm on the other
Speaker 1: end of the spectrum from BAB from bc UH. It's
Speaker 1: not a it sucks. There's no other way to say it.
Speaker 1: For those that haven't been in that situation before, um
Speaker 1: it is. It was very nerve wracking, to say the least.
Speaker 1: You walk in and all the work that you've been
Speaker 1: putting in for however many months now, Right, they've been
Speaker 1: rolling since what Mar April around Erkaby Rose is April.
Speaker 1: Every day you've been showing up. You've been eating with
Speaker 1: a purpose, you've been training with a purpose, you've been
Speaker 1: studying with the purpose. You've given it. You're all the
Speaker 1: OTAs you given it. You're all that training camp and
Speaker 1: in the preseason games. And now everything comes down to
Speaker 1: now you're replaying everything that you've ever done over the
Speaker 1: over these past six months, right, you've been re replaying everything.
Speaker 1: You're just like, Okay, did I do this right? All right?
Speaker 1: And in a game that I make, this play would
Speaker 1: have been in this shade, I should have done this.
Speaker 1: Oh man, I can't believe you're you're you're you're literally
Speaker 1: replaying everything that you could have done. And you're you're
Speaker 1: analyzing and you're critiquing, getting, you're giving yourself a grade.
Speaker 1: And then you're you're looking at your guy next to
Speaker 1: and you're like, man, is he is he better than
Speaker 1: me than this? You know? So everything you're stressing it
Speaker 1: is is most stressful thing you ever seeing in your life.
Speaker 1: And you're looking for this guy called a grin reaper,
Speaker 1: and we can back and back back back in the day.
Speaker 1: It was due by the name of Bruce May best
Speaker 1: hair ever, Best hair Ever. But there's there's one person
Speaker 1: on the team that's responsible for it, letting you know, hey, player,
Speaker 1: I need I need you to go grab your grab
Speaker 1: your your playbook. So you were tight with Bruce, but
Speaker 1: you didn't want to see Bruce. You didn't want to
Speaker 1: see Bruce on that day. Yeah, you don't. I'm a
Speaker 1: person who grew up being taught have eye contact when
Speaker 1: you talk to somebody. You know, you have eye contact,
Speaker 1: you greet somebody, and that day he's like you got cataract.
Speaker 1: You just just you walk around with your eyes kind
Speaker 1: of looking around because you don't want that person looking
Speaker 1: in your face, be like, I need you, I need,
Speaker 1: I need you to come with me. I've been cut
Speaker 1: five times, five times, and every single time you walk
Speaker 1: into the building, you in your your stomach is just
Speaker 1: locked up because you know, you know it's coming and
Speaker 1: you're watching guys go. It's not like it happens all
Speaker 1: at the same time. You know, are you coming to
Speaker 1: the locker room and you know you might see Rob
Speaker 1: pe putting the stuff in and a dog on garbage
Speaker 1: bag it is, and this locker you'd be like, dangn
Speaker 1: they got you. Yeah, man, they got me, And you
Speaker 1: know he's like all right, you start saying goodbye to everybody,
Speaker 1: and then then you might see heck, my heck was like,
Speaker 1: you know, my heck might be pissed off at his locker.
Speaker 1: He's just sitting there shaking said the day they got you. Heck,
Speaker 1: yeah man, it got me. Man, you know it's some
Speaker 1: bs whatever, you know, whatever it might be. And then
Speaker 1: you know you're looking at that Kyle like, man, this
Speaker 1: is it's just me right, and you start going down there.
Speaker 1: You started going down the roster. You're like, okay, we
Speaker 1: played the same position. You know they're only keeping this
Speaker 1: many guys. You know it's one of us has got
Speaker 1: to go. And you're just sitting there looking around and
Speaker 1: then you see that dude come in the locker room.
Speaker 1: You're like, oh, shoot, here he come right, and it's like,
Speaker 1: who's he going to? You're watching this footwork, You're watching everything,
Speaker 1: and then it's just it sucks. Man. I want to
Speaker 1: kudos to everybody who's giving it. They're all over these
Speaker 1: past months. I know this position all too well. Regardless
Speaker 1: of what happens today. Even the guys that get through
Speaker 1: today might not be there tomorrow, you know. So that's
Speaker 1: exactly what I was gonna say, that you have the
Speaker 1: initial cuts and then there's a follow backs up. You
Speaker 1: can't just be comfortable. Nobody can get comfortable. But they're
Speaker 1: thirty one other teams going through the same process, and
Speaker 1: so for the front office, they have to be on
Speaker 1: their p's and ques looking for guys that are falling
Speaker 1: off of rosters that can help yours. And so like
Speaker 1: you talk about being cut five times, but then you
Speaker 1: have a super Bowl to play. Give me some of that,
Speaker 1: you know, you know, But but then at the same time,
Speaker 1: you had to trust the process of what you did.
Speaker 1: And a lot of these guys that are going to
Speaker 1: hit the waiver wire won't make it because other teams
Speaker 1: have seen what they're doing and they'll get an opportunity
Speaker 1: to go play elsewhere. And that's a testament to the
Speaker 1: work that you put in during these times. Like you said,
Speaker 1: you second guessing yourself, did I do this? Did I
Speaker 1: do that? But you did right? And who are those
Speaker 1: guys on our team? Who are those guys that won't
Speaker 1: get pass waivers, waivers, who are those really tough decisions?
Speaker 1: I think today for the Dallas Cowboys is very important.
Speaker 1: You can't under mine or play this down because the
Speaker 1: guys that you choose to go into the season with
Speaker 1: are gonna say a lot about what you think about
Speaker 1: your organization. Yeah, after COVID, after COVID and going after preseason,
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy's era starts. Now. If you just want to
Speaker 1: give him a mull again for last year, however you
Speaker 1: want to look at it, it's true. So his decision
Speaker 1: and what he does with this fifty three is going
Speaker 1: to be very, very important because it's gonna seal his legacy.
Speaker 1: Isaiah almost described that like a relationship, like going through
Speaker 1: my mind, like she broke up with me, Like why'd
Speaker 1: I say this? Why did I wear that? That kind
Speaker 1: of thing. And to be honest with you that this process,
Speaker 1: this day is single hendedly probably one of the reasons,
Speaker 1: not the training, not the training camp, not any of
Speaker 1: that stuff. This day right here is one of the
Speaker 1: reasons why guys just decide I just rather not, I
Speaker 1: just rather not because it's so stressful. It's not just today,
Speaker 1: it is the last four weeks of the preseason, and
Speaker 1: every time you make a player don't make a play,
Speaker 1: you're like, man, that was it. Let me ask you this, sir.
Speaker 1: How much is how much is a guaranteed contract in
Speaker 1: the NFL if you make one of these rosters, that
Speaker 1: means about the minimum guaranteed minimum for I think it's
Speaker 1: around seven hundred and six hundred, six hundred and something,
Speaker 1: and I wish shake a coconut out a tree for
Speaker 1: six hundred thousand, and the drop off is sistant. That's
Speaker 1: not even guaranteed. It's not. But tell me a job
Speaker 1: in these Americas that you could get six hundred thousand
Speaker 1: dollars for doing I will tell you I would do
Speaker 1: it a mine. Let me let you people know, Let
Speaker 1: me let the fans know. Fans that six hundred thousand
Speaker 1: and heck was talking about that as a minimum. I
Speaker 1: know everybody out there is like, oh my goodness, those
Speaker 1: guys make too much money. That is a week to
Speaker 1: week contract. Yeah, that is a week to week contract.
Speaker 1: You are earning your keep every single week. And not
Speaker 1: only that, are you competing against the guys on your team,
Speaker 1: You're competing against the thousands of other guys that they
Speaker 1: can go grab and do it cheaper. Yeah. Always, if
Speaker 1: you could do it, if you could do it all
Speaker 1: over again, with all the pressure placed on you and everything,
Speaker 1: would you do it? Absolutely? Yeah, there it is, Yeah,
Speaker 1: so absolutely yes. Babeloffenberg radio analyst, he was the color
Speaker 1: analyst on the TV broadcast. He brought up a really
Speaker 1: good point during the TV broadcast against the Jaguars and
Speaker 1: he said, this is the first time that a lot
Speaker 1: of these guys, a lot of these players, at any
Speaker 1: point in their football career are going to be told
Speaker 1: they're not good enough. A lot of these especially these
Speaker 1: young guys, these rookies. Is Jaquan Hardy's and the Britada
Speaker 1: Knox and the Osiris Mitchell's, the guys who at least
Speaker 1: in high school were stars and then they went to
Speaker 1: their college and they were starters and they put up
Speaker 1: big time numbers enough to get to the NFL. And
Speaker 1: then now you get to the NFL and you're told
Speaker 1: you're not good enough. And this is that's why it
Speaker 1: makes it so much harder, not only just on the players,
Speaker 1: but on the families as well. So this is a
Speaker 1: it's an interesting day. It's a tough day, and it's
Speaker 1: one that the cowboys have to get right. And I
Speaker 1: think that's kind of what the balance has to be,
Speaker 1: is the cowboys have to get it right. And it's
Speaker 1: also the human side, the human element of the game
Speaker 1: as well, Isaiah. I have a nine year old daughter
Speaker 1: by a name of Nadia. Every time she goes out
Speaker 1: to practice or goes to a game. And you might
Speaker 1: tested this because you your son plays ball too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I tell her do your best and get better every
Speaker 1: single time, every time she goes out to preblence, what
Speaker 1: are the two things you have to do today? Do
Speaker 1: your best and get better. What happens today is doing
Speaker 1: your best getting better is not good enough. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: that sucks. When I've done my best and I've gotten
Speaker 1: better and it's still not good enough, what do you do?
Speaker 1: What does that do to you mentally? And that's the
Speaker 1: battle that these guys are going to be facing today.
Speaker 1: And that's you know, Hard Knocks has that formula of
Speaker 1: following guys that are on the fringe or a long shots,
Speaker 1: and some people don't like it as much because they
Speaker 1: want to see the stars and all that, but like
Speaker 1: that to me, stories that's I mean, that's basically the
Speaker 1: essence of training camp. Is you try to win a
Speaker 1: job that's really really hard to get and really really
Speaker 1: hard to hang on to in a profession that nobody
Speaker 1: on this planet can really relate to in terms of
Speaker 1: what the physical demands. And that's why a story like
Speaker 1: Kurt Warner is so intriguing. A guy that never gives
Speaker 1: up on this dream, Guys that have that confidence that
Speaker 1: come back again and again and again and bet on
Speaker 1: themselves and double down on themselves. And then a lot
Speaker 1: of guys around the NFL that end up like that.
Speaker 1: So you know, no matter what, like you said, I
Speaker 1: love what you said about picking yourself up and obviously
Speaker 1: just getting going back to those opportunities and again again
Speaker 1: and again. And so they're going to be a lot
Speaker 1: of names building this fifty three. It's what's important. Hey,
Speaker 1: we got rid of double G today. Man, that was
Speaker 1: that was a blow. Yeah, let's talk. Let's talk about
Speaker 1: the quarterback position. The next segment. We're gonna get into
Speaker 1: dari and Thompson a little bit and what his next
Speaker 1: steps could potentially be because I don't necessarily think he's
Speaker 1: done with the Cowboys yet, and I'll explain that when
Speaker 1: we get into the next segment. But quarterbacks. I mean,
Speaker 1: Cooper Rash has won the job at least at the moment.
Speaker 1: Like we said, at the backup quarterback position, something that
Speaker 1: we started kind of seeing the shift of heading into
Speaker 1: the Jacksonville week whenever he started getting that first team
Speaker 1: reps and Mike McCarthy alluded to Garrett Gilbert being kind
Speaker 1: of demoted on that depth chart. Then Bend Nucci, it
Speaker 1: kind of happened throughout the preseason. But Rob, what are
Speaker 1: your thoughts at the backup quarterback position as we stand today?
Speaker 1: And based off of what you saw on Sunday, I'm
Speaker 1: curious to see if they're done. That was the big
Speaker 1: thing that I was curious about coming out of Jerry
Speaker 1: Jones's interview on the Fan this morning, and he was
Speaker 1: asked specifically, are they going to look for help? And
Speaker 1: he didn't say no. He didn't say no, but he
Speaker 1: did say, quote, pretty high bar in terms of somebody
Speaker 1: coming in and having the background with the offense that
Speaker 1: Cooper Rush has. And so people can look at that
Speaker 1: and say, from a talent perspective, could they come in
Speaker 1: and upgrade that position? Sure, but they have to weigh that,
Speaker 1: you know, could somebody come in and have that familiarity
Speaker 1: with Kellen Moore's system and overtake Cooper Rush. Do they
Speaker 1: even want to keep a third guy on the fifty
Speaker 1: three or could you look to add somebody on the
Speaker 1: practice squad? Could Ben to Nucci be that guy? We'll see. Um,
Speaker 1: it's the competition is just weird to me because they
Speaker 1: went the whole camp basically with gil Garrett Gilbert in
Speaker 1: one position, and then it shifted for one game and
Speaker 1: then it was over. Yeah, you're right, that's that's really
Speaker 1: what happened, and they did not see enough and Cooper
Speaker 1: Rush got healthy, and you know, I don't think the
Speaker 1: struggles the offense had on Sunday Day held against him
Speaker 1: because Jacksonville's playing starters and they weren't. So they'd seen
Speaker 1: enough to give him the job, and he's been in
Speaker 1: this position a lot of times. I am curious to
Speaker 1: see what's going to happen though. If they're definitely gonna look,
Speaker 1: I just wonder what they're gonna do with space that
Speaker 1: they have. Hex smirking it don't even white, you're smirking. Well.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's such a tough predicament to be in
Speaker 1: with your backup quarterback and you don't have a proven
Speaker 1: guy there. Look at the snaps, look at what he's done,
Speaker 1: and you're basically it's all conjecture because you don't know
Speaker 1: exactly what he'll do in the role as a backup quarterback.
Speaker 1: I hope and what we all seventy five million dollars
Speaker 1: worth of hope is placed on number four being healthy.
Speaker 1: And if Cooper Rush never takes a snap, then thank
Speaker 1: you Lord, because that means Number four it's been healthy
Speaker 1: all through the season. We didn't have We don't have
Speaker 1: to worry about that, and that's been his reputation up
Speaker 1: until last year, ten months of inactivity, and now we're
Speaker 1: really staring at the great unknown going into Raymond James Stadium,
Speaker 1: and with Cooper Russia as the backup. You can't feel
Speaker 1: good about that. No matter what words you say to
Speaker 1: comfort yourself, you don't feel good about that. And so
Speaker 1: this team is obviously still looking around the NFL to
Speaker 1: see if there are other and if there are any
Speaker 1: other players out there to kind of solidify the backup position.
Speaker 1: They're not done. They're not done looking. They're not done.
Speaker 1: The way that the league has set up over the
Speaker 1: past few years in terms of increasing your practice squad
Speaker 1: players and in terms of allowing for you to bring
Speaker 1: guys up on game day, they are not done. They
Speaker 1: will sign another quarterback. I've been saying this for the
Speaker 1: past few weeks. I foresee them and as obviously indicative too.
Speaker 1: In terms of the restructuring last week, I don't I
Speaker 1: think that's that wasn't just by chance. They didn't make
Speaker 1: a move yet. Okay, so so the move that Philly made,
Speaker 1: you don't think that we could have at least made
Speaker 1: that same But yes, we could have made I think
Speaker 1: we could have. We could have, they could they could
Speaker 1: have been interested, and we don't know that. I think
Speaker 1: there's a I think there's more things that are going
Speaker 1: to happen today and over the next five days, and
Speaker 1: then we probably can can even imagine right now. One
Speaker 1: of them, obviously I believe, will be the quarterback position.
Speaker 1: I think that we have to get a quarterback in
Speaker 1: here that if Dak went down, there is no question
Speaker 1: can that person play? How much of the system can
Speaker 1: he run? I'll say that again, can he play? Yes,
Speaker 1: they need guys and they need somebody to step into
Speaker 1: the huddle and that everybody can look at him, be
Speaker 1: like if nothing else. If nothing else works, he could
Speaker 1: take off a run. So now that we can actually
Speaker 1: do this and I get called to the principal's office,
Speaker 1: I'm going to throw some names out. Let's see if
Speaker 1: we've moved the needle. Just give me a yes or no.
Speaker 1: If this moves the needle for you, and the first
Speaker 1: name that popped up, Cam Newton, Does it move the needle? Yes? Why?
Speaker 1: Because Cam Newton isn't a very He's in a peculiar
Speaker 1: predicament right now where he needs a year of not
Speaker 1: being the guy. He needs a read he needs a
Speaker 1: recalibration year. And Dalton he needs Anie Dalton year. And
Speaker 1: you see Annie Dalton went out there. He has himself
Speaker 1: a starting job at least for now, for now. But
Speaker 1: I think I think Cam Newton allows for you to
Speaker 1: do the same thing that mister Jones was talking about.
Speaker 1: Come in and run the same offense. You don't have
Speaker 1: to change what you're calling. Now. He has to learn
Speaker 1: the syste him. But he comes in and he has
Speaker 1: the same type skill set. He could run, he could throw,
Speaker 1: he's a big guy, he could you know, all those
Speaker 1: kind of things. He has an armed so we'd have
Speaker 1: to worry about underthrowing our receivers that we have. So
Speaker 1: all those kind of things, now there's a whole lot
Speaker 1: of other stuff that we don't know about on the
Speaker 1: back end obviously as far as the mental and in
Speaker 1: his ability to learn all those kind of things. But
Speaker 1: in terms of attributes physical attributes, he fits the mold
Speaker 1: m Jameis Winston and another guy who took a year
Speaker 1: for a little bit, and hey, maybe he ends up
Speaker 1: being something special there. So is that a yes for
Speaker 1: you too? That's a noe? Okay? Why well, he's not vaccinated.
Speaker 1: I don't want him anywhere Cam has not vaccinated. I
Speaker 1: don't want him near DAC. All right, we yeah, I
Speaker 1: need you to be available. I don't need anything hypothetical
Speaker 1: to happen. I don't I don't need that. You know,
Speaker 1: this is we need all hands on deck. We don't
Speaker 1: need no funny business. Okay, So if you want to
Speaker 1: be Availa. And I feel like Cam is a victim
Speaker 1: of his own whatever it is, and in New England,
Speaker 1: I feel like he opened the door for what happened
Speaker 1: to him. And so no, I don't I don't want him.
Speaker 1: Rob does it move the needle? Absolutely? I mean, like
Speaker 1: like without question, like, he's a bigger name than Andy Dalton,
Speaker 1: He's had a better career than any Dalton. When Andy
Speaker 1: Dalton signed last year, is like, holy crap, that's the
Speaker 1: best backup the Cowboys I've ever had. Do I think
Speaker 1: it's likely not really, I mean, I mean, beyond what
Speaker 1: you guys just said, does he want to be a backup?
Speaker 1: Does he want to do that? He doesn't have a choice,
Speaker 1: And well maybe maybe you're probably right there. There are
Speaker 1: so many other teams out there that need a quarterback
Speaker 1: that right now think they solidified that that could use Cam.
Speaker 1: You don't think that. You don't think the Washington football
Speaker 1: team could use Cam right now? I think I don't
Speaker 1: think they would put out? Man, wait a minute? Who
Speaker 1: time out? Here we go? Whoa? So you're gonna tell
Speaker 1: you so Cam Newton and Fitzpatrick on that team? Yeah,
Speaker 1: on that team Fitzpatrier, what are y'all talking about him?
Speaker 1: That's his? Not even that's his that Ron Rivera's guy,
Speaker 1: Ron Rivera, coach. That's good point. I didn't even think
Speaker 1: about that, I know, coach. That's why wait, whoa time out?
Speaker 1: Let's go back, Jim Shrews. That's why I'm telling you,
Speaker 1: but but hang on, hang on to me though. It's
Speaker 1: a little bit like what Jerry said about Cooper Rush,
Speaker 1: but on a much larger scale. The season starts in
Speaker 1: ten days, like you're not You're just saying to you
Speaker 1: just said, can a guy understand my system? And if
Speaker 1: I've played for that guy, then I already know what
Speaker 1: the system is. And you're talking about Fitzpatrick in a
Speaker 1: year where they have a defense all the things that
Speaker 1: would benefit a quarterback like Cam. Would you say if
Speaker 1: he don't know anything, if all things break down, what
Speaker 1: I don't run? I don't just what you what can
Speaker 1: Cam do? I don't disagree with you, I just I
Speaker 1: don't want him. I don't know how. I don't know
Speaker 1: how to type him. Rivera, I don't know. Verba wants
Speaker 1: to revisit that. We don't know, we don't know, we
Speaker 1: don't know. But I'm just talking about as far as what, what,
Speaker 1: what attributes, physical attributes he brings, I'm not talking. What
Speaker 1: I'm saying is I'm not talking about Cam in a
Speaker 1: sense that he doesn't have anything to offer. I'm talking
Speaker 1: about for what we have right now. We didn't pay
Speaker 1: Dak seventy five million dollars to bring that kind of
Speaker 1: circus to town. We got enough things going on. I'm
Speaker 1: saying that he has an opportunity other places that he
Speaker 1: can play right now, he still has that. He still
Speaker 1: can give you something. Tell us ask you as it
Speaker 1: this way, would you rather have Cooper Rushi as your
Speaker 1: backup or Cam Newton? I'd rather not have to try
Speaker 1: and make that. No no no no no no no
Speaker 1: no no. You gotta choose which one would you rather have?
Speaker 1: Because there's a whole lot of other things that we
Speaker 1: can take into consideration. But just physically all things, all
Speaker 1: things being considered equal, don't I mean you know the answer,
Speaker 1: don't ask me a rhetorical question. So that's what that's
Speaker 1: what that's that's that's what we're saying. That's all we're saying. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but there's there's other factors, other factors. There's money involved,
Speaker 1: like what what would he want to play for? You know,
Speaker 1: does he want what? Is he worth playing for? Yeah?
Speaker 1: That I mean like he played under hardly anything last year,
Speaker 1: didn't he It was a million dollars? Yeah, yeah, it
Speaker 1: was in comparison to quarterback. Let me just say that people, Well, sure, sure,
Speaker 1: but I mean, you know that what we don't know
Speaker 1: exactly what the reasoning was too, Like did they think
Speaker 1: that he didn't want to sit behind a rookie and
Speaker 1: so he doesn't want to be in that situation like
Speaker 1: Asa is right this late in the game, you may
Speaker 1: not have a choice, but you know, he's a great
Speaker 1: He's had a great Chris. Guys, Yeah, talk about it.
Speaker 1: It might have been one of those things and we
Speaker 1: talked about this last year in certain scenarios. But it's
Speaker 1: one of those things where it's like, Okay, we're gonna
Speaker 1: give you every shot you possibly can to win this job.
Speaker 1: If you win it, great, If not, we're gonna let
Speaker 1: you go and do something else because we don't want
Speaker 1: to hold you up sort of deal. So maybe that's
Speaker 1: why it's so late in the game. But you're I think,
Speaker 1: great points on both sides of the argument, because it's
Speaker 1: not a cut and dry let's go get camed. No,
Speaker 1: not at all. It is not that easy, and Hack
Speaker 1: made that very very clear. But it also at the
Speaker 1: same time, on the field, it makes a ton of sense.
Speaker 1: It makes a ton of sense to look at it.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw some other names out here here before
Speaker 1: we go to break. I can't even say that name.
Speaker 1: Can't say that one either. Anthony Gordon, Kansas City chief,
Speaker 1: second year guy out of Washington State, just because he
Speaker 1: went to Washington State. Now, yeah, you hate him because
Speaker 1: you're oh wait case Cookus. Probably not kJ Costello from
Speaker 1: the Chargers. He was a Stanford guy. Uh, there's both
Speaker 1: of our guys. Clayton Thorson, former Cowboys backup at least
Speaker 1: by the Giants. Maybe Cooper Rush comparison. Maybe yes, No, don't,
Speaker 1: I mean Coopers don't wait more. You don't make a
Speaker 1: move unless it's a move, right, Yeah, or some of
Speaker 1: the other guys that we can't talk about. And I
Speaker 1: think that's what Jerry meant by the high bar. In
Speaker 1: addition to we don't know what their budget is, what
Speaker 1: they want to spend at the position. We also he
Speaker 1: mentioned the waiver process and like there's competition there, especially
Speaker 1: that position exactly you know goes through waivers that you
Speaker 1: might like. So there's other factors here. That's kind of
Speaker 1: my point here of reading these names off is I mean,
Speaker 1: going throughout the backup quarterback competition, we're looking at guys
Speaker 1: and we're saying, list that's a good question, and I
Speaker 1: don't know exactly where it is, but we were waiting
Speaker 1: for names to just sleep slip off of these rosters,
Speaker 1: and none, really, no big names are slipping, with the
Speaker 1: exception of maybe Cam Newton, Duck Hodges. Another one on there,
Speaker 1: Josh Rosen. Josh Johnson is on there too from the Jets. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The twitter verse mentioned Will Greer from Carolina, who's worked
Speaker 1: with Doug nust Meyers, a West Virginia guy, but again
Speaker 1: that's Waivers and if they're so yeah yeah wow, So,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, we'll see a lot of rais.
Speaker 1: They're gonna look everybody compared him in that cut to
Speaker 1: Benda Nucci here, at least from what I had seen
Speaker 1: from brow is the opposite of really yeah yeah, So
Speaker 1: I don't I don't have a point of reference. I
Speaker 1: don't have a point of reference on him other than
Speaker 1: what he did at West Virginia. So that is it's
Speaker 1: a good point. Yeah. Well, that's the thing is I've
Speaker 1: got friends with Caroline, thank you, and there I know
Speaker 1: you and questioning that they're saying it been to Nuccie.
Speaker 1: It's it's pretty even with Will Greer. So did y'all
Speaker 1: bring donui back to practice squad. Do you hope he clears?
Speaker 1: I mean you bring you know, you count on nuc Man. Yay,
Speaker 1: some traders man, y'all switch on y'all boys so fast.
Speaker 1: I didn't see you, did you? Swit Sizes? Is that?
Speaker 1: Is that? What kind of friend you are? You're switicizes? Not?
Speaker 1: I mean if you can't throw the football on your
Speaker 1: front foot? No, I mean his decision. I mean not here.
Speaker 1: I mean I'd rather have double G. See that's the thing,
Speaker 1: like you could bring double G back to the practice
Speaker 1: char I'd rather have double G, you know, absolutely, and
Speaker 1: give yourself a third guy who's not counting towards your
Speaker 1: active roster. And in my head, in my head, I
Speaker 1: know Heckman doesn't agree with this. If you're in position
Speaker 1: to bring in a cam, you bring cam in to
Speaker 1: be the backup, and you rush down to your practice squad,
Speaker 1: how are you gonna do? It's like that all year?
Speaker 1: Do you come on home to it? I just tell y'all, listen,
Speaker 1: you know what's gonna happen if you bring in something
Speaker 1: like that. If we hypothetically lose the first two games,
Speaker 1: you're sitting there in Philadelphia at home and Dak is
Speaker 1: having a horrible start to the season, and the Bluebirds
Speaker 1: come out in the third and everybody's rob is writing about,
Speaker 1: oh my god, we could just rest him to put
Speaker 1: Kim I don't want to happen. If it was twenty seventeen, maybe,
Speaker 1: but not twenty one. My whole thing is you just
Speaker 1: need a guy that steps in there. That guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think about the critics ready to pounce on.
Speaker 1: I don't care about critics. I never have care. I'm
Speaker 1: talking about the outside of outside. I'm talking about the
Speaker 1: world of Twitter verse and people that talk about talking
Speaker 1: about the people that don't like Dak because they're gonna
Speaker 1: find any reason to do that. But there's that that
Speaker 1: that group of people is dwindling very quickly. So you
Speaker 1: think bringing Cam would be bed and with Jerry loved
Speaker 1: that absolutely. But Jerry loved absolutely. I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: know that. I don't know the back end. I don't
Speaker 1: know the how he is with teammates, I don't know
Speaker 1: how he is with learning, and I don't know all that.
Speaker 1: As I'm talking about physical attributes. If you lose Dak,
Speaker 1: you're bringing Cam, you feel good. It's still Brian Broadest approach.
Speaker 1: Can he play? Can you play? I don't care about
Speaker 1: really anything, and just can he play? Yeah? Any day?
Speaker 1: I mean absolutely again, get'll get r G three. I
Speaker 1: haven't heard anybody saying anything that Cam Newton's a bad
Speaker 1: teammate now, I haven't had and may say that. Every
Speaker 1: time I see Cam, he's dancing and everybody loves being
Speaker 1: around him. He always and he's always in position to
Speaker 1: be QB one right obviously on the teams that he's
Speaker 1: been on. He's a great candidate in my opinion, based
Speaker 1: off the information that we have to beat a backup
Speaker 1: for Deck and I think he needs a year to chill.
Speaker 1: I think he needs a year to chill because I
Speaker 1: don't think right now he's not being respected around the
Speaker 1: league as a QB one. What do you do and
Speaker 1: gets starting? John got ten million from Chicago, so hey,
Speaker 1: it could happen. Plenty of plenty of dominoes that haven't
Speaker 1: fallen yet, and plenty of that I've already fallen. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's right now go and this is what we've got
Speaker 1: to work with. Like you said, a lot of surface
Speaker 1: level thought process on this. While the Cowboys reportedly will
Speaker 1: kick the tires on cam Newton. Moving forward. When we
Speaker 1: come back, we'll address some of the other cuts, including
Speaker 1: Darry and Thompson. How long is he going to be
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Speaker 1: here Talking Cowboys presented by Tostitos, A couple other names
Speaker 1: that we maybe haven't mentioned so far that we're cut
Speaker 1: throughout the day or waved at the moment unofficially. By
Speaker 1: the way, these were all reported Brandon Smith wide receiver,
Speaker 1: Johnny Dixon wide receiver, Braylon Jones, Eric Smith on the
Speaker 1: offensive line, defensive line, Ron del Carter, Austin Faylew defensive tackle.
Speaker 1: And then we've got in the secondary three safeties Tyler Coyle,
Speaker 1: Stephen Parker, a corner Deante Burton, and the third safety
Speaker 1: is darry and Thompson. And that's where I want to
Speaker 1: start this segment on. It's darry and Thompson. I mean,
Speaker 1: we we saw him without pads on Sunday. We thought
Speaker 1: he was a no pad Week four guy, at least
Speaker 1: from the looks of it, it wasn't. It was kind
Speaker 1: of a surprise that he was in that group, but
Speaker 1: you wouldn't think to see his name on the waived
Speaker 1: list today. But Rob, when you look at this move,
Speaker 1: is this just kind of a housekeeping move to maybe
Speaker 1: potentially bring him back for special teams roles? That either yeah,
Speaker 1: that or you know, practice squad. And again, you guys
Speaker 1: mentioned it like you can call up two guys a week,
Speaker 1: so that. You know, they did that with Brandon car
Speaker 1: last year. They signed in the practice squad and at
Speaker 1: least in that Parker season Parker two, so you know
Speaker 1: you've got more flexibility with your practice squad sixteen players.
Speaker 1: And there's guys on this unofficial list that I could
Speaker 1: see being back on the practice squad tomorrow if they cleared,
Speaker 1: and Darren Thompson should be one of them because of
Speaker 1: being the special team's contributor. So this may be that
Speaker 1: fragile balance that they're doing about cutting the guy hoping
Speaker 1: he clears waivers and he'll be back. He's vested, I believe.
Speaker 1: So I think he's vested, but I'll double check. But
Speaker 1: what does that mean. I've heard that for a guy
Speaker 1: being invested. What's different about a vested guy? You have
Speaker 1: a certain number of accrued seasons. I think it's four,
Speaker 1: so you're not subject to waivers. And that's important because
Speaker 1: they've got at least three guys I think that need
Speaker 1: to be on the roster for one day and then
Speaker 1: go to IR for the minimum of three games. That's
Speaker 1: just the way the rules work. So you've got to
Speaker 1: keep Neville Gallimore, Josh Ball, Sean mccun maybe a couple
Speaker 1: other guys. You know, Terrell Basham's had an ankle for
Speaker 1: a while. If you put them, but that that that
Speaker 1: means you got to cut somebody. Maybe you'd want to
Speaker 1: bring back, you know how sevested by these invested. Okay,
Speaker 1: how does PUP affect that? I know, it's like six
Speaker 1: weeks pup. PUP is a minimum of six weeks, So
Speaker 1: that's Chauncey Goldston and Tristan Hill most likely going from
Speaker 1: active pup to reserve pup. So that's those are they're
Speaker 1: not cuts, but you're you're that's a way to remove
Speaker 1: two spots at least for six weeks. So saying all this,
Speaker 1: we did a fifty three man roster projection after Sunday's
Speaker 1: game and it was quite frankly, a pain in the
Speaker 1: act because you're trying to you're trying to count for
Speaker 1: all of these moves that they've got to make. You've
Speaker 1: got t J Vasher two who's on NFI, who could
Speaker 1: revert to reserve. So there's gonna be a lot of
Speaker 1: moving parts here in the next couple of days. And
Speaker 1: Stephen Jones said that on the pregame show, not this
Speaker 1: past week, but the week prior against the Texans. It
Speaker 1: was the pregame show and he said, just keep an
Speaker 1: eye out. He said, just don't freak out at first,
Speaker 1: because you're gonna see some names probably shouldn't be released.
Speaker 1: And it's because there's gonna be moves coming. There's gonna
Speaker 1: be moves that follow this and make up that fifty
Speaker 1: three man roster. The other part of it, too, is
Speaker 1: they've got four guys who I assume are all going
Speaker 1: to be on the fifty three by the end of
Speaker 1: the week, but are not right now because they're on
Speaker 1: the COVID list, so they're not technically they don't have
Speaker 1: to be part of the fifty three today, Ceedee Lamb, Carlos, Watkins,
Speaker 1: Kasey and Connor Williams. So that's another I'm just deep. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm just telling you, like what you see today, you're right, like,
Speaker 1: it's not gonna be the exact same thing by the
Speaker 1: end of the week. So they've got a lot of
Speaker 1: moves to make here. I am not a math major.
Speaker 1: You guys already know this. This is why I'm in broadcasting.
Speaker 1: But it's so fifty three mans, but you have three
Speaker 1: COVID guys, you have two guys, okay, four COVID guys.
Speaker 1: You have two guys on PUP. Could be three if
Speaker 1: you want to transfer t J. Basher over. So there's
Speaker 1: basically sixty guys that you have that aren't going anywhere.
Speaker 1: But then you got to kind of mix them around it.
Speaker 1: Then you'll have to make tougher decisions down the road, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: if I'm getting what you're saying, right, yeah, I mean yeah,
Speaker 1: That's the thing is like I wonder you know, you
Speaker 1: go to fifty three, but you have to account for
Speaker 1: four guys on reserve COVID they're coming back, So do
Speaker 1: you make four cuts on Thursday when they're supposed to
Speaker 1: hopefully be clear to come back? Right? How do they?
Speaker 1: How do they work? That? Also? Another one the only
Speaker 1: injury of note coming out of the game Sunday was
Speaker 1: Kelvin Joseph getting hurt with the growing injury growing injuries, Isaiah,
Speaker 1: don't you know it'll take you know, it'll take three days.
Speaker 1: That was unfortunate. Is that going to take him a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks to come back? Do you put him
Speaker 1: on recallable? I are? They have a lot of decisions
Speaker 1: to make here, and I know it's it's like it
Speaker 1: gives you a tired head. But I'm just saying it's
Speaker 1: not a simple cut to fifty three today. What do
Speaker 1: you think about the longevity Isaiah of a groin injury?
Speaker 1: It was a left groin officially for Kelvin Joseph, and
Speaker 1: they thought he was questionable at first, but then they
Speaker 1: turned it back around. I mean, there's so many different
Speaker 1: ways that that can go. I mean, a groin injury
Speaker 1: could take anywhere from you know, I need I need
Speaker 1: three four days off to I need four weeks off right,
Speaker 1: you know, So it just really depends on what grade.
Speaker 1: There's usually a three great scale, you know, first, second,
Speaker 1: or third to in order to determine how it's the
Speaker 1: severity of it. So nobody knows. We don't know, um
Speaker 1: so well, they might have just been precautioned. Maybe he
Speaker 1: just tweaked it a little bit and they're like, okay,
Speaker 1: you're done. Like you're one of our main guys. You
Speaker 1: know obviously you we just drafted you. We're just gonna
Speaker 1: hold you off, you know. So there's there's that you
Speaker 1: started talking about Thompson as the politics of the league. Man,
Speaker 1: this is when you know, I've talked about the politics
Speaker 1: at the NFL in the past. We're not playing him
Speaker 1: in the fourth We're not playing him in our fourth
Speaker 1: Priesson game, so nobody else can get a look at him.
Speaker 1: But we're gonna try to keep him. Of course, it's
Speaker 1: the best sports man, So conversation might have might already
Speaker 1: been had with him, or maybe they just left him
Speaker 1: in the dark and just letting him feel as if
Speaker 1: he was going to be on a roster. I've been
Speaker 1: in that position before. I just I didn't play the
Speaker 1: last Priests in a game like I'm good and then
Speaker 1: they turn around and cut you. Was like, whoa wait
Speaker 1: a minute now. So there's so many different ways. It's
Speaker 1: today's stressful for not only for the players, but for
Speaker 1: the team because not only are they trying to yeah,
Speaker 1: for the front office, they're trying to figure out the
Speaker 1: guys that they have. We have about sixty guys. You know,
Speaker 1: maybe Thompson, maybe you're not our fifty three, but you're
Speaker 1: our fifty fourth, right right, So we don't want you
Speaker 1: to go nowhere. So we're not gonna put you on
Speaker 1: the fields that you can ball out and somebody can
Speaker 1: come now coming, come and pluck you, right so we
Speaker 1: know that you're not gonna make our fifty three. So
Speaker 1: let's hide you. Let's let's tuck you down underneath so
Speaker 1: you know that the carpet so nobody can see where
Speaker 1: you're at. Here's an example. Heck, when Rico Gathers had
Speaker 1: to go on i R a few years ago, he
Speaker 1: made the fifty three initially so they could be allowed
Speaker 1: to put him on R and keep his rights contract rights.
Speaker 1: So Kellen Moore, hey, we're gonna cutch it today. And
Speaker 1: then they resigned Kellen Moore after they put Rico on IR.
Speaker 1: So you could see that because they've they've got to
Speaker 1: do that with several guys. But Rob, how many guys
Speaker 1: can you bring back from I R? Is it three
Speaker 1: still or unlimited? Unlimited? Unlimited? This year? I think the
Speaker 1: rules are still the same from last year. There's unlimited
Speaker 1: number of guys, but it's a minimum of three weeks.
Speaker 1: Gotta be on there for three weeks, which I think
Speaker 1: you could say that's probably safe for a couple of
Speaker 1: guys that would be on that IR. I'm trying to
Speaker 1: think of maybe Tristan Hill, but he's still going to
Speaker 1: be on the pup reserve six weeks, So that's a
Speaker 1: six minimum. Most likely that's where he's headed plus Golston two. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: I figured that would be the case. No matter what
Speaker 1: they do, I hope they are hell bent on getting
Speaker 1: younger and getting these young guys an opportunity. That's that's
Speaker 1: what I hope they're doing. How do they do that? Well,
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously they're making some cuts down there, maybe
Speaker 1: some really tough ones that people don't agree with. But still,
Speaker 1: if you're gonna stay true to what Isaiah says, and
Speaker 1: I cling to this because I believe in it, how
Speaker 1: do you rebuild your culture? You got enough young guys
Speaker 1: that you have that have proven to you in the
Speaker 1: preseason that they can play. And y'all looked at me
Speaker 1: like I had four eyeballs when I said something about
Speaker 1: playing the young guys over some of these young guys
Speaker 1: over some of these veteran older guys. But we have
Speaker 1: to start looking at stuff like that to get this
Speaker 1: roster better, to make it better. When did we do
Speaker 1: that to you? Oh? When I said something when we
Speaker 1: were talking having the Anthony Brown conversation, I was right, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: So that's all you wanted? Oh you wanted boss Man
Speaker 1: Fat in the starting lineup weeks. I think I think
Speaker 1: that when you talk about building culture, the future is now,
Speaker 1: you have some options. Your defensive line is going to
Speaker 1: be better. I think we feel confident that that defensive
Speaker 1: line is going to be better, and so give these
Speaker 1: young guys a shot. Give him a shot, because right now,
Speaker 1: if Nashaun Wright Picks has a pick six, he's tied
Speaker 1: with Anthony Brown and touchdowns, okay, and Anthony Brown has
Speaker 1: been in the league a lot longer than him. If
Speaker 1: boss Man Fat has six interceptions, he matches Jordan Lewis
Speaker 1: for his career, He's bypasses Jordan Lewis for his career.
Speaker 1: What are we holding on? Because Kyle's retort that day
Speaker 1: was against Tom Brady week one Thursday Night football, So Eddie,
Speaker 1: So really, if this is a production driven business and
Speaker 1: you haven't gotten the production there, what do you feel?
Speaker 1: What do you feel so comfortable about? But I think
Speaker 1: those guys, like I think Anthony Brown has played better
Speaker 1: than Kelvin Joseph over the five weeks, But you know,
Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think there's been enough evidence
Speaker 1: say he's overtaking him. Right now. I understand that. But
Speaker 1: when you when you've been a part of the league
Speaker 1: long enough rob to know if you have a younger,
Speaker 1: cheaper version, you play that version. And it's not that
Speaker 1: Anthony Brown has had that quality of snaps that you
Speaker 1: can say right now he is head and shoulders above.
Speaker 1: I hear that Isaiah probably knows it's better than anybody.
Speaker 1: Like coaches will, if it's close, they'll side towards the
Speaker 1: veteran who's proven more and is probably less likely to
Speaker 1: if it's close, they're gonna go with the younger guy.
Speaker 1: They cost less history of this franchise. When I've been
Speaker 1: around here, it's like, we'll go with the vet for now.
Speaker 1: But what about And it took it took Miles Austin
Speaker 1: a long time to crack the starting line up in
Speaker 1: wide receiver, when he probably was ready a year before that.
Speaker 1: Even you could say about Romo, you just say my point, No,
Speaker 1: it's took. It took. You know, they went bledsoe for
Speaker 1: a year and a half when they could have just
Speaker 1: turned it over to Tony and said let's go. So
Speaker 1: does Dak Prescott send some snickerdoodle trip tiff treats to
Speaker 1: Cliff a ro or what happened to Romo in Seattle,
Speaker 1: Because if that didn't happen, then you don't even Dak
Speaker 1: may have started only three years. They went with the younger,
Speaker 1: cheaper version. Yeah, just just bob your head, just say yes,
Speaker 1: and that's what we can go to the next name.
Speaker 1: That's one scenario where there's probably a hundred. That's the
Speaker 1: that's the that's they went with the younger, cheaper version.
Speaker 1: After if your Dak had already led him to a
Speaker 1: ten and one start, but you can't lose your job.
Speaker 1: You can't lose your job supposedly in the NFL from
Speaker 1: getting hurt. I'm talking about a younger best that doesn't happen.
Speaker 1: You so tell me this. You you you know this
Speaker 1: better than anybody. Man. They are guys right now. They're
Speaker 1: the analysts and commentators because the team found the younger
Speaker 1: version of what they could do. Those guys were expecting
Speaker 1: every day for you. That mean they look every day
Speaker 1: to replace guys. And what do they you talk about
Speaker 1: all the time, the delicate balance of keeping your salary
Speaker 1: cap and getting younger on your roster. This is what
Speaker 1: we're talking. Let me throw this out here there. Since
Speaker 1: since we're just throwing whatever. Um, getting getting younger, knowing
Speaker 1: this particular situation. Um, but there's a lot of talking
Speaker 1: about Jalen Smith right now. Would you swap out Jalen
Speaker 1: Smith for a kJ wright who's older but cheaper, he's
Speaker 1: still free agents? Still free agent? Yeah, he's out there.
Speaker 1: Is he going to be cheaper? Though? He would be
Speaker 1: cheaper than seven million dollars? I think so. But the
Speaker 1: problem with that, he's he was like a top one hundred.
Speaker 1: He wants he wants six seven million, but he nobody's
Speaker 1: giving it to him. So you get older, you get older,
Speaker 1: you get a little cheaper. Would you would you be
Speaker 1: wanting to do that? You? I'm not just you lead
Speaker 1: me down to the Jalen Smith rabbit hole, and I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna go. I'm gonna stand right here. The only
Speaker 1: the only kink in that that armor in terms of
Speaker 1: what you're you're putting out there, everything's great, But if
Speaker 1: you're gonna get rid of Jalen Smith, you're gonna pay
Speaker 1: a hefty chunk of his money. Like it's gonna like
Speaker 1: you're still paying that contract. So who ef yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: even And why would you rank kJ right when you
Speaker 1: have a number forty eight. You have Cox on your team.
Speaker 1: Jabril Cox is showing you that he's the younger version
Speaker 1: of I'm just asking I understand. I'm just saying, you
Speaker 1: can compare a fourth round pick in his rookie years.
Speaker 1: I'm comparing a guy that can do the job in
Speaker 1: the game. I'm talking he was one of the best
Speaker 1: linebackers in the game. Nobody's saying it when it does stop, Well,
Speaker 1: it didn't stop. He's an older version of himself. He
Speaker 1: can't do what he was doing ten years ago. How
Speaker 1: many years have you been in the league. You saying
Speaker 1: he wasn't productive. Of what I'm saying is I have
Speaker 1: the equivalent on the team, and if I put him
Speaker 1: in a position to be successful, he can make those
Speaker 1: plays because guess what, he has the same coach. So
Speaker 1: if I can scheme up and you say, if a
Speaker 1: guy can play in the scheme and make him a
Speaker 1: little bit better, I can scheme for a guy like
Speaker 1: Jabril Cox. I already have Michael Parsons. I can put
Speaker 1: him in a position to be successful. I don't have
Speaker 1: to go out on the limb to get an older guy.
Speaker 1: I have it on my team already. You're not wrong,
Speaker 1: Like I'm with you, Like it's important young players have
Speaker 1: to play if they're going to get better, Like that's
Speaker 1: a resipe for a Super Bowl, right, And it is
Speaker 1: a delicate balance. I'm just saying, like I think, I'm
Speaker 1: just trying to think how coaches think in large part,
Speaker 1: and I think typically if it's close, they're in the
Speaker 1: business of winning games, and they're gonna side with the vet.
Speaker 1: Not always, And you know what, you're right about twenty
Speaker 1: sixteen in that and Kellen Moore broke his ankle and
Speaker 1: they just had and Romo was out, you know, and
Speaker 1: they just had Jamial Showers and Dak Prescott. They didn't
Speaker 1: go get whoever. You know, they stuck with him and
Speaker 1: but it paid off, you know. But I think by
Speaker 1: and large, sometimes you know, you side with the vet.
Speaker 1: I do think Kelvin Joseph, if he's healthy, will eventually
Speaker 1: work his way up and get playing time. I'm still
Speaker 1: confident of that. I just think based on what we
Speaker 1: saw in camp, Anthony Brown did nothing to lose a
Speaker 1: starting job in the opinion over five over five weeks,
Speaker 1: and I think that's what the case is specifically right now.
Speaker 1: I in the general thought, if you have an opportunity
Speaker 1: to go younger, then hell yeah, go younger. I mean
Speaker 1: younger and cheaper is always better in the NFL, except
Speaker 1: whenever you have guys that are okay at the moment.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not like Anthony Brown was just getting
Speaker 1: torched every single playing. Well were the last time you go?
Speaker 1: But it endum thirty or bad? Momo? I wait because
Speaker 1: you haven't. You hadn't had anything to go off of.
Speaker 1: And I'm talking about the defense that you know has
Speaker 1: to be market league improved from last year. They have
Speaker 1: nowhere to go but up. So what are you holding
Speaker 1: on too? Because I just said if the man has,
Speaker 1: if Nashan right has to pick six, he's tied with
Speaker 1: Anthony Brown foot career touchdowns pick six. Diggs doesn't even
Speaker 1: have one things that's what three interceptions last year? Yeah,
Speaker 1: Xavier Howard had ten. What do you want on your teall?
Speaker 1: I'm looking at the rest of the league. I'm not
Speaker 1: talking about right now. I'm talking about the rest of
Speaker 1: the league. What are we gonna do? Why are you
Speaker 1: getting on the Trayvon Diggs? Now, no, no no, no, no,
Speaker 1: You're you're jumping on the wrong thing. So calm down fightough,
Speaker 1: because that's not where I am. That's not where I am.
Speaker 1: That's not where I am. I'm trying to ask you
Speaker 1: how you want to talk about how to make the
Speaker 1: team better. I'm saying, this is how you do it.
Speaker 1: I agree, Thank you. So I was asking Kyle. Jeez,
Speaker 1: I'm so confused. I'm lost. Now all right, let's take
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Speaker 1: Slamming a microphone to the side, like that costs that thing? HOSTI,
Speaker 1: what's what's the go to line? You say? Talk that
Speaker 1: man out the clubs? Is that what you say? I
Speaker 1: can't say. You do it all the time. All you
Speaker 1: do it on film room all the time. Oh yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: no white t's in the club. Yeah that's what No
Speaker 1: white ts. Yeah that's what it is. Welcome back to
Speaker 1: Talking Cowboys. We're having some fun here on a like
Speaker 1: fifteen years. I don't know what the proper is, just
Speaker 1: thinking about Fresh Pins or bell Air and Jazzy Jeff
Speaker 1: getting thrown out the front door. Okay, just just imagine that. Okay,
Speaker 1: uncle Phil, everybody's daddy. Whenever COVID's over, and I mean
Speaker 1: like completely over, my new goal is to get robbed
Speaker 1: of the club. Oh yeah, get me there. Before probably
Speaker 1: started the Miller light pre gaming baby steps. He wouldn't
Speaker 1: even bite on the five dollars beer. What are you
Speaker 1: gonna do with He threw the babysitter out. Yeah, It's
Speaker 1: like he's like, let me see it, can find a babysitter,
Speaker 1: even it makes no sense. Saturday, He's right there. What
Speaker 1: are you doing? Um, we haven't. We haven't gotten a
Speaker 1: chance to talk about it a whole lot, just because
Speaker 1: of the cuts and the roster moves that are happening
Speaker 1: at the moment. But what did we think about the
Speaker 1: final preseason game against the Jacksonville Jaguars as the Cowboys
Speaker 1: felt again Owen four in the preseason Heck, I'll let
Speaker 1: you start things off. What was your biggest takeaway from
Speaker 1: at and T Stadium? Well, I mean I took away
Speaker 1: that Trevor Lawrence is going to be a problem for
Speaker 1: a lot of years. Um, just by his ball location. Um,
Speaker 1: I thought defensively, it was a trip to see them
Speaker 1: play their starters. I wasn't looking. I didn't think they
Speaker 1: were going to do that. But when we didn't play
Speaker 1: any of ours, then I was like, well, this is
Speaker 1: just going to be that kind of preseason where we
Speaker 1: don't get a look at any of our guys on well,
Speaker 1: our stars on offense. And you know, look, man, it
Speaker 1: was just one of those games that you were glad
Speaker 1: that it was over and we didn't have a whole
Speaker 1: lot of significant injuries. But as far as the game itself,
Speaker 1: guys like Burton, I figured it was gonna be a
Speaker 1: long day for him today once I saw him compete
Speaker 1: and that he got burnt a couple of times. So
Speaker 1: it was hard to watch. Yeah, it was, wasn't it. Yeah?
Speaker 1: I was watching Fijoco and Turner that that's where my
Speaker 1: eyes were, and obviously in the back of a quarterback position.
Speaker 1: I think it based upon that game. In the game's
Speaker 1: previous what do you think I think Turner solidified his spot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what about Double G? Did you thought Double G did
Speaker 1: pretty I thought he did pretty well. I mean he
Speaker 1: did pretty well, but but by doing well you show
Speaker 1: your inconsistency. It was a double sword sword for him.
Speaker 1: It sucked, doubled down on bad. I know it right,
Speaker 1: there's no it was a no win situation situation fro him. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think by that point it had already been It
Speaker 1: was pretty up. Yeah. Yeah. So what did you see
Speaker 1: from the offense? Like you said, it's really hard to
Speaker 1: gauge whenever they're throwing the ones at you defensively, and
Speaker 1: then Cooper Rush is having a run with the twos
Speaker 1: and the threes. But the seventy five yard touchdown drive
Speaker 1: prior to the half was probably the best thing that
Speaker 1: the Cowboys did on offense all day. What did you
Speaker 1: see that went well in that drive? And I think
Speaker 1: back to it now, Um yeah, come back to me, robot,
Speaker 1: which drive? The touchdown drive? The Garret Gilbert one, I
Speaker 1: mean I thought he showed pretty good pois. I mean,
Speaker 1: I thought he bounced back in that game. I think
Speaker 1: though the Cowboys probably had already made the decision at
Speaker 1: that point though. Um nothing really stood out to me
Speaker 1: about the offense in that game. The thing that stood
Speaker 1: out to me the most was the linebacker depth on
Speaker 1: this team is really really good, really good like, I
Speaker 1: don't know if Leu Gifford makes this team, dude, but
Speaker 1: he flies around. He was flying around. Jabille Cox had
Speaker 1: another good game. I thought Hamilton had a good game.
Speaker 1: Hamilton like that's That's another thing. The defensive front, you
Speaker 1: got to see a lot of Justin Hamilton, Bradley and
Speaker 1: I Rondo Carter, and I'd like their performances. Like I
Speaker 1: thought there's some depth there that now the reports are,
Speaker 1: you know, Rondo Carter not making this team at least initially,
Speaker 1: but they've got some or they at least they've had
Speaker 1: some some nice young depth on the defensive front as
Speaker 1: well as linebacker. Carter was the one that got in
Speaker 1: on the interception for mcquamu. Right, it was Carter in
Speaker 1: the big hit on the quarterback. Ball kind of popped
Speaker 1: up in the air and mcquamo took advantage and got up.
Speaker 1: I was watching him as well. He's had some good
Speaker 1: plays and he has some some hesitant, some hesitant player.
Speaker 1: Was one play in the third quarter, specifically, they were
Speaker 1: Jacksonville was inside the red zone and there was a run.
Speaker 1: I can't remember who the tailback was and mcquamu had
Speaker 1: the best position. He was right on top of it
Speaker 1: and he stepped to the side, and it was I
Speaker 1: got back to our conversations on this show, and I
Speaker 1: was like, man, I was like, that was that was
Speaker 1: one where I wanted him to step up into the
Speaker 1: hole and and he didn't. Yeah, I know, I got
Speaker 1: my my Kuombo pump pumps over here. I'm hoping that too.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm hopeful for the man. You know, I
Speaker 1: love the skill set, but god, dog man, it was
Speaker 1: a couple of It was a couple and it's been
Speaker 1: a whole preseason for the rookie h the inconsistency, but
Speaker 1: there was something I mean, and you know Isaiah, in
Speaker 1: preseason guys, it's if they're not showing a lot. And
Speaker 1: and when I saw there was one play that he made.
Speaker 1: He came on a blitz and blitz and he had
Speaker 1: a sack. To me, that showed his value. When you
Speaker 1: have a six four, a six four safety blitz in
Speaker 1: the quarterback his height, and I know you talk about
Speaker 1: throwing lanes and stuff like that, but when you got
Speaker 1: a six four guy right in your line of sight,
Speaker 1: that's impactful. And it showed his value. Um and we
Speaker 1: talked about that as well. His ability to come over
Speaker 1: a slot receiver. It's the attack red zone they had
Speaker 1: him playing. He was playing the nickel in the red
Speaker 1: zone six four in the reds I mean in the slot.
Speaker 1: That's that's a huge advantage for it for defenses. Man.
Speaker 1: But if they if they lead with him in that
Speaker 1: role then yeah, but putting him back at safety where
Speaker 1: his where he's actually his position is right now, I
Speaker 1: don't see it, but then you have to is he
Speaker 1: a safety slash corner? I mean, you know, like what
Speaker 1: is he? Yeah, Todd Archers asked me in the press box,
Speaker 1: like how much slot did he play in camp? And
Speaker 1: I don't remember him done a lot that much. I
Speaker 1: don't think he played any slot quite a bit on someday,
Speaker 1: and he did some of the games the last two,
Speaker 1: the last few games. Yeah, that could be. I don't
Speaker 1: think he did a whole lot. Can't though, Like from
Speaker 1: what I had charted, I don't really think there was
Speaker 1: any times that I saw him practice either, but but
Speaker 1: that was something he started. They can't. I mean, yeah, Oxnard, uh,
Speaker 1: like you said, former corner kind of you know, can
Speaker 1: play both spots. And the fact that you know, if
Speaker 1: Darian Thompson has released here. I think that means he's
Speaker 1: on He's on the fifty three. Does it make you
Speaker 1: feel better about the Mukuamo situation that you've now seen
Speaker 1: Kaz and Hooker both on the field at the safety spot,
Speaker 1: and you still feel pretty good about Donovan Wilson. I
Speaker 1: think I don't think Mkuamo is a safety right now.
Speaker 1: I think it's a developmental safety. But I think his
Speaker 1: most his greatest impact right now is yeah, you're nickel.
Speaker 1: He's a nickel guy for you. Yeah. It may not
Speaker 1: be active on game days. Yeah, he's probably not gonna
Speaker 1: be active on game days to start. I mean, but
Speaker 1: the ability to bring him in, I mean, you're about
Speaker 1: to Obviously he wouldn't play in a Tampa game if
Speaker 1: he makes a roster, but you you're about to face Tampa.
Speaker 1: These boys are big. They're huge everywhere. You don't say so, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean Mike Evans man and man with Anthony Brown
Speaker 1: and yeah so no. So look here's here's no he's no,
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not doing that. I just hitt on it. No,
Speaker 1: I'm just I just feel like Mukuamo is your future.
Speaker 1: I think he's a guy that if you I think
Speaker 1: he's a guy that if you invest then that he
Speaker 1: could be there. He could be there for you. But
Speaker 1: I'm always reminded man Mickey Specknola, what time we were
Speaker 1: having a debate and he goes, we're talking about how
Speaker 1: how Clinton Dix and he goes, he's a bridge player.
Speaker 1: He's an ultimate bridge player. And we've had these guys
Speaker 1: that have been bridge players. And I think Hooker and
Speaker 1: because he may be a little bit outside of the
Speaker 1: box on your so called bridge players, and I think
Speaker 1: they could be more than that, but you just don't
Speaker 1: know yet. No, that's very well, could go bridge players,
Speaker 1: but at the moment, you want them to not be
Speaker 1: You want them to be your future there. If they
Speaker 1: play up to the talent level that they've shown prior
Speaker 1: in their careers and prior to injury issue, that's a
Speaker 1: big that's a big oh if you're going into raved James, huge,
Speaker 1: if yes, you are. So. Safety positions still a topic
Speaker 1: of conversation Rob over the next couple of days, what
Speaker 1: could we expect to see in terms of more roster movement,
Speaker 1: because we don't come back till Thursday, and Thursday, by
Speaker 1: the way, we're gonna start previewing the Tampa Bay game,
Speaker 1: because we've only got two episodes left after this one
Speaker 1: before the Tampa Bay kickoff. Wow oh wow, We've got Thursday,
Speaker 1: and we've got Tuesday and then it's kickoff, so we
Speaker 1: only have two more talking cowboys. So what which chess
Speaker 1: is next Tuesday? Uh? Yeah, yeah, Say It with the
Speaker 1: Chess will be Tuesday. I look forward to winning Christmas
Speaker 1: trees and more money out of the stand Back Trust
Speaker 1: this year. It's gonna be awesome time he wants to
Speaker 1: take money on my kids. Say it with your chest, Well,
Speaker 1: say it with your chess. We'll start Tuesday, but we
Speaker 1: also have a Friday show next week too, Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: so we'll have to say it with Chess Friday too.
Speaker 1: So when's our next show too? It's Thursday, Thursday. Well,
Speaker 1: we'll know the practice squad by Thursday. For the most part,
Speaker 1: they're supposed to. I think they're supposed to get back
Speaker 1: to work Thursday in practice. So finally we'll have something
Speaker 1: else talk about there. But again, like I mentioned in
Speaker 1: the second segment, they've got to figure out who's going
Speaker 1: to IR and all that stuff. We'll have a better
Speaker 1: idea of and pup and all that by Thursday as
Speaker 1: well as Mike McCarthy said there guys on COVID list
Speaker 1: should be back in the building by Thursday. Of everything,
Speaker 1: um keeps going the way it is right now, which
Speaker 1: is which is good news. Yeah, hopefully that's the case
Speaker 1: moving forward and that the Cowboys don't have to handle
Speaker 1: that as much as they have in the past. But
Speaker 1: early or We've got about three minutes left on the show.
Speaker 1: I want to give I want to give grades. I
Speaker 1: know you guys hate doing this, but I'm gonna do
Speaker 1: it anyways. I want your preseason grade for the Dallas Cowboys. ABCDE.
Speaker 1: I guess no will E, but f ABC DF. Isaiah,
Speaker 1: I'll start with you. That's tough. What's your grade for
Speaker 1: the Cowboys? And in the preseason alone, not even talking
Speaker 1: off season. So just based off of what you saw
Speaker 1: in the games, games in practice, we could we could
Speaker 1: throw them both in there, whole team. Who comes to Washington,
Speaker 1: Chris apam ce see, yeah, okay, pretty straightforward. Passing in
Speaker 1: high school not passing in grad school. Okay, we know, Isaiah,
Speaker 1: grade's tough. It does we did. We did those grades
Speaker 1: last year and we never heard the end of it.
Speaker 1: For being too easy, you know, because because I I
Speaker 1: literally didn't see any I don't know what Dak is
Speaker 1: gonna play like on Thursday, and that's a big question
Speaker 1: mark for me. Um. I didn't see some of the
Speaker 1: roster moves that I thought would take place. During OTA's
Speaker 1: and also doing training camp. Um, I saw the defensive
Speaker 1: line come together, and I'm most excited about the defensive line.
Speaker 1: Carlos Watkins. I hate that, you know, he got on
Speaker 1: the list, but he's shown enough for me to think
Speaker 1: that he would be a guy. But I gotta I
Speaker 1: gotta go see too, because I don't know enough about
Speaker 1: my offensive line. I don't know enough about my quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: I just there's a lot of question marks there. So
Speaker 1: I'm going to see. I'll give it a D because
Speaker 1: of the offensive line. It scares me. Scares me a
Speaker 1: lot actually, because yeah, yeah, you're right, because I am.
Speaker 1: I feel I feel a lot better about this defense,
Speaker 1: and I don't feel much better about this offense a
Speaker 1: whole lot right now. And they've rested a bunch of guys.
Speaker 1: That's fine, I'm okay with that. I'm not doing it
Speaker 1: because of that, I'm saying, because of what I've seen
Speaker 1: in practice, it doesn't necessarily bode welled for this offense. Well,
Speaker 1: then let me go get my cupcakes and my smelly
Speaker 1: stickers and put them right on the table here. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna I will say b because I would give the defense.
Speaker 1: I would hang on. Let me I would give the
Speaker 1: defense an a off of based off of last year
Speaker 1: to when we saw over five weeks, I had very encouraging.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's going to carry over to the
Speaker 1: regular season. They're gonna be a top five defense. I
Speaker 1: don't know that, but I'm just saying, well we saw
Speaker 1: over five weeks was very encouraging based off of last year,
Speaker 1: despite you know, a big injury to Gallimore for a
Speaker 1: few weeks and all that. Offensively, they had so much
Speaker 1: non continuity because of Dak being out and guys being
Speaker 1: in out of lineup. To me, that's like almost an
Speaker 1: incomplete So what what game was there? An a what
Speaker 1: do you mean one game they barely played their starters
Speaker 1: and those preseason games, I mean two games they didn't
Speaker 1: play at all, and then we saw very little of
Speaker 1: it against uh in the in the middle two games
Speaker 1: in the dress rehearsal game against Houston, they were over
Speaker 1: ten giving up on third down defense? Pretty good. I
Speaker 1: know it's Houston, but I mean pretty good. That's not
Speaker 1: just style pee. We're gonna we're gonna revisit this on Thursday.
Speaker 1: I think feel do you guys feel bad about the defense? Guy,
Speaker 1: I don't feel bad at all. I don't feel like
Speaker 1: because A would mean that you feel good. I mean
Speaker 1: A in terms of progress, not in terms of like talent. Yeah, not, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't expect them to be on the curb. Isaiah, Okay,
Speaker 1: you're gonna call it that, fine, we'll call it. We'll
Speaker 1: do that. Yeah, you're inspired. I'm inspired. You're inspired. Yes, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's fair. Tony Robbins seminar. I can get. I can
Speaker 1: get with the inspiration. Okay, I'm fired, and I'm looking
Speaker 1: forward to seeing what we have. I didn't. I didn't
Speaker 1: make about a ranking, right, That's why I gave se
Speaker 1: because I'm like, see they're passing. This is why we
Speaker 1: don't know. We don't know yet. This is why Rob
Speaker 1: hates doing these grades, because he knows no matter which
Speaker 1: way he goes, he's gonna get. Ye. I'm not getting
Speaker 1: an apple man not getting an apple from the tea
Speaker 1: he's gonna get berated either way, but that's gonna do
Speaker 1: it for us here on Talking Cowboys. Be sure to
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Speaker 1: begin looking ahead season. It'll be a week out from
Speaker 1: week one and the Cowboys and the Buccaneers is the
Speaker 1: preseason is now over. We'll have plenty more updates along
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