WEBVTT - Paul F. Tompkins 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:04.400 The Craig Ferguson Pants on Fire Tour is on sale now. 0:00:04.559 --> 0:00:07.880 It's a new show, it's new material, but I'm afraid 0:00:07.920 --> 0:00:12.440 it's still only me, Craig Ferguson on my own, standing 0:00:12.480 --> 0:00:15.760 on a stage telling comedy words. Come and see me, 0:00:16.040 --> 0:00:18.520 buy tickets, bring your loved ones, or don't come and 0:00:18.560 --> 0:00:21.400 see me. Don't buy tickets and don't bring your loved ones. 0:00:21.480 --> 0:00:23.880 I'm not your dad. You come or don't come, but 0:00:24.120 --> 0:00:26.120 you should at least know what's happening, and it is. 0:00:26.440 --> 0:00:30.120 The tour kicks off late September and goes through the 0:00:30.320 --> 0:00:33.960 end of the year and beyond. Tickets are available at 0:00:34.040 --> 0:00:37.440 the Craig Ferguson Show dot com slash tour. They're available 0:00:37.440 --> 0:00:40.720 at the Craig Ferguson Show dot com slash tour or 0:00:40.760 --> 0:00:45.080 at your local outlet in your region. My name is 0:00:45.080 --> 0:00:49.879 Craig Ferguson. The name of this podcast is Joy. I 0:00:50.040 --> 0:00:53.600 talk to interest in people about what brings them happiness. 0:00:56.480 --> 0:01:01.880 My guest today is Paul f Tonk, and I suppose 0:01:01.920 --> 0:01:04.000 at some point in the conversation I should ask him 0:01:04.000 --> 0:01:07.360 what the F stands for, But my guy says, I'll 0:01:07.360 --> 0:01:11.800 forget because He was the voice of mister Peanut Butter 0:01:11.959 --> 0:01:17.000 and BoJack Horsemen, the greatest cartoon ever made. Fight me 0:01:17.080 --> 0:01:20.720 if you don't believe me anyway, enjoy all F. 0:01:20.800 --> 0:01:32.080 Tompkins. Hey, Paul, thank you for joining us. I know 0:01:32.240 --> 0:01:33.560 that we had a little bit of. 0:01:33.600 --> 0:01:38.400 Technical problems as beginning there, and I was informed by 0:01:38.480 --> 0:01:43.200 you and their producer that you are using maximum quality 0:01:43.280 --> 0:01:43.959 on your computer. 0:01:44.120 --> 0:01:44.320 Now. 0:01:44.360 --> 0:01:47.280 Well, you know, I see in the quick time drop 0:01:47.319 --> 0:01:52.000 down menu it gives you the CHP between high and maximum, 0:01:52.040 --> 0:01:53.560 and you know what, I feel like this is a 0:01:53.560 --> 0:01:56.680 special occasion, and so I went with maximum quality. 0:01:57.600 --> 0:01:59.960 When you were you know, and you're well dope, you 0:02:00.160 --> 0:02:05.640 minted crazy drug years did you did you go high 0:02:05.760 --> 0:02:07.920 or maximum most of the time? 0:02:09.360 --> 0:02:11.760 Well, unfortunately, I went maximum most of the time, and 0:02:11.800 --> 0:02:13.560 that's why I can't do those drugs anymore. 0:02:14.040 --> 0:02:14.880 Really, is that true? 0:02:14.919 --> 0:02:17.680 I was speak facetious, but you actually did have a 0:02:17.720 --> 0:02:19.000 high maximum drug time. 0:02:19.760 --> 0:02:21.399 I did not have a high maximum drug time. 0:02:21.520 --> 0:02:25.440 This is probably my high maximum drug time with the 0:02:25.520 --> 0:02:32.040 advent of legal weed. Probably having an edible every once 0:02:32.080 --> 0:02:34.079 in a while is my maximum drug use. 0:02:34.440 --> 0:02:36.119 That seems very civilized. 0:02:36.200 --> 0:02:39.080 I don't know that if there might be legal weed 0:02:39.080 --> 0:02:40.120 when I was doing drugs. 0:02:40.160 --> 0:02:42.160 I don't think it would have made any difference to me. 0:02:42.400 --> 0:02:45.560 But I tell you this. I tell you this. 0:02:45.840 --> 0:02:50.239 Had I known about prescription lens sunglasses, I don't know 0:02:50.280 --> 0:02:51.960 if I would ever go sober. 0:02:53.080 --> 0:02:56.120 Really mm mm hmm. Now why is that? 0:02:56.800 --> 0:03:01.360 Because when you put on prescription lens sunglasses, I am maddened. 0:03:01.400 --> 0:03:03.080 I've never done it because I didn't find out about 0:03:03.120 --> 0:03:05.840 them until after I stopped drinking. But I feel like 0:03:05.880 --> 0:03:07.640 if you put them on and you had a hangover, 0:03:07.720 --> 0:03:09.520 you'd be like, it's all right, it's all right. I 0:03:09.520 --> 0:03:11.959 can see pretty well. No one can see my eyes, 0:03:12.160 --> 0:03:13.959 and everything's darkened down. 0:03:13.840 --> 0:03:14.280 A little bit. 0:03:14.320 --> 0:03:16.960 I think I think it would have certainly prolonged my 0:03:17.120 --> 0:03:19.360 drinking and maybe have maybe killed me. 0:03:19.480 --> 0:03:22.600 Maybe I've killed I have a theory correct, Okay that 0:03:23.400 --> 0:03:27.480 in a hangover state, being able to see more clearly 0:03:28.440 --> 0:03:29.720 is a disadvantage. 0:03:30.720 --> 0:03:33.800 You know, you make a point, but having it through 0:03:33.840 --> 0:03:38.680 the lens of darkness, it can still be like, well, 0:03:38.800 --> 0:03:41.560 I have a hangover, but that's perfectly appropriate because it's 0:03:41.680 --> 0:03:45.680 nighttime and I can start drinking again. 0:03:45.880 --> 0:03:48.360 That's probably what I was looking for. I'm not an 0:03:48.400 --> 0:03:51.800 alcoholic drinking the morning. Yeah, because it's nighttime. Yeah, right, 0:03:51.880 --> 0:03:52.400 there you go. 0:03:53.400 --> 0:03:56.440 Can I say, by the way, you are part of 0:03:56.480 --> 0:04:00.720 an elite gang of people and extremely ill elite guy 0:04:00.800 --> 0:04:05.760 of people, which is probably what elite means. But you 0:04:05.920 --> 0:04:10.360 are a cast member of the great BoJack Horseman series. 0:04:10.360 --> 0:04:11.720 That is correct, That is correct. 0:04:11.760 --> 0:04:14.760 Yeah, you were mister Peanut barn right, correct, yes, right, 0:04:15.080 --> 0:04:17.320 which I think, to my mind, is the greatest show 0:04:17.360 --> 0:04:19.440 ever made about Los Angeles ever, in the history of 0:04:19.720 --> 0:04:20.800 the most accurate ones there. 0:04:21.440 --> 0:04:24.960 Absolutely, yeah, I think that I was. I was such 0:04:25.000 --> 0:04:29.040 a fan of that show, you know, being on it 0:04:29.080 --> 0:04:31.400 is it's strange to be I don't know, I get. 0:04:31.680 --> 0:04:34.640 I guess you should be a fan of your own projects. 0:04:34.680 --> 0:04:38.000 Oh yeah, but I you know. The way I came 0:04:38.040 --> 0:04:42.400 to that show was I was just asked by the creator, 0:04:42.920 --> 0:04:46.680 Raphael Bob Blacksburg to to do a guest role in 0:04:46.720 --> 0:04:49.679 the pilot, which was mister Peanut Butter. And I didn't 0:04:49.720 --> 0:04:52.359 know anything about the show. I did not know that 0:04:52.520 --> 0:04:54.680 it was. I just knew like, oh, this is a 0:04:54.760 --> 0:04:56.120 cartoon for grown ups. 0:04:56.120 --> 0:04:56.560 I get it. 0:04:57.560 --> 0:05:00.400 I think it was like the third episode where, uh, 0:05:00.440 --> 0:05:05.880 it ends on a very down note and I realized, oh, 0:05:05.920 --> 0:05:09.200 this is something different than what I thought, and that 0:05:09.360 --> 0:05:11.760 I was even more thrilled that I was a part 0:05:11.760 --> 0:05:14.880 of it. And I would not read the scripts in advance. 0:05:15.520 --> 0:05:17.520 I would only read them at the table reads, so 0:05:17.560 --> 0:05:20.800 I could kind of be surprised along with as the 0:05:20.800 --> 0:05:25.400 audience would be surprised. And it was such a such 0:05:25.400 --> 0:05:27.839 an exciting thing to be a part of and to 0:05:28.000 --> 0:05:31.280 really get invested in these in these stories and to 0:05:31.320 --> 0:05:34.080 have some of those some of the lines in those 0:05:34.120 --> 0:05:37.680 scripts were like real gut punches and real, you know, 0:05:38.040 --> 0:05:43.800 serious life stuff that I you know, a lot of it. 0:05:43.839 --> 0:05:46.360 I related to a lot of it. I knew people 0:05:46.800 --> 0:05:52.760 who had experiences like that, and yeah, it was it 0:05:52.800 --> 0:05:55.120 was quite a ride. That was quite a ride doing it. 0:05:55.120 --> 0:05:58.200 It was It's it's a video and school. Because if 0:05:58.279 --> 0:06:01.360 the thing for me the rest, if you've never been 0:06:01.400 --> 0:06:05.640 to Los Angeles or never worked in the entertainment business 0:06:05.680 --> 0:06:10.120 in Los Angeles, if you combine BoJack Horseman, Modern Family, 0:06:10.640 --> 0:06:15.599 and Ray Donovan, you have an completely exact picture of 0:06:15.839 --> 0:06:18.280 what Los Angeles is like to live and work. 0:06:18.320 --> 0:06:20.680 And I feel like that's it, That's exactly what it's like. 0:06:21.000 --> 0:06:25.080 Yeah, yeah, are you are you a native Los Angelino. 0:06:25.520 --> 0:06:25.599 No. 0:06:25.760 --> 0:06:29.120 I was born in Philadelphia, and I moved to LA 0:06:29.160 --> 0:06:30.239 in nineteen ninety four. 0:06:30.640 --> 0:06:36.160 That's when I moved to LA. Really well. I went 0:06:36.200 --> 0:06:37.640 there and then I had to come home for a 0:06:37.680 --> 0:06:38.159 couple of weeks. 0:06:38.200 --> 0:06:40.200 Then I went back, So it was ninety five technically, 0:06:40.200 --> 0:06:42.120 I guess, but that's when. 0:06:42.000 --> 0:06:44.160 I Okay, So you lie, I did. 0:06:44.360 --> 0:06:45.320 I did believe you. 0:06:45.360 --> 0:06:48.240 But that's something I learned in LA. 0:06:48.640 --> 0:06:51.440 Now, listen, how did the fire thing work? Before? 0:06:51.520 --> 0:06:51.599 You? 0:06:51.640 --> 0:06:52.159 Are you okay? 0:06:52.920 --> 0:06:56.560 So far, so good. We've been extremely lucky. We have 0:06:56.800 --> 0:06:59.640 just been here at home with suitcases by the door. 0:06:59.680 --> 0:07:04.560 We are in the pink zone, which sounds like it's 0:07:04.600 --> 0:07:08.680 a marker on the Kinsey scale, but we are so 0:07:08.800 --> 0:07:12.840 far we have not so we're like, sort of the 0:07:13.040 --> 0:07:17.400 danger is at a distance, but could get closer. So 0:07:18.520 --> 0:07:20.160 we're just ready to go at any time. 0:07:20.240 --> 0:07:22.600 But it's been I feel like that that happened a 0:07:22.600 --> 0:07:25.240 few times when I mean, nothing likes going on right now. 0:07:25.320 --> 0:07:26.840 But I don't live in LA anymore. 0:07:26.880 --> 0:07:29.280 But when I left there, there was a few times 0:07:29.320 --> 0:07:32.200 where we had were doing exactly that, suitcasing by the door, 0:07:32.560 --> 0:07:35.120 kids in pajamas, sleepy in the car and all that. 0:07:35.200 --> 0:07:35.800 I mean, it was. 0:07:36.360 --> 0:07:39.880 It's a scary thing. But I think with this fire, 0:07:40.040 --> 0:07:44.000 this one, it feels like a real kind of game changer. 0:07:44.160 --> 0:07:46.760 This one, though, doesn't it. I mean, these fires, it's 0:07:46.760 --> 0:07:48.080 a really different thing. 0:07:48.560 --> 0:07:51.160 I would like to believe that it is a game changer, 0:07:51.200 --> 0:07:54.360 but my my sort of demoralized feeling is that it 0:07:54.400 --> 0:07:57.800 won't be a game changer. It should be and you know, 0:07:57.840 --> 0:08:02.240 it should be a big wake up call to a lot, 0:08:02.600 --> 0:08:04.200 you know what, not even a wake up call, but 0:08:04.760 --> 0:08:07.320 it should be a signal that we need to talk 0:08:07.360 --> 0:08:10.960 about what is going on with our environment and what 0:08:11.000 --> 0:08:14.120 we're doing about it. And you know, it's it's a 0:08:14.160 --> 0:08:18.960 little distressing to see the the press conferences and just 0:08:19.080 --> 0:08:22.280 no mention of climate change at all. And that is 0:08:22.600 --> 0:08:25.239 I mean, there's no way around that. That's a huge factor. 0:08:25.280 --> 0:08:28.240 And like we are, we are an area that has 0:08:28.280 --> 0:08:32.719 a fire season, you know, and the fact that it's 0:08:32.720 --> 0:08:36.720 getting worse and worse and to this point, combined the 0:08:36.760 --> 0:08:42.319 fire combined with the winds is you know, it's uh, 0:08:42.960 --> 0:08:44.360 it's bad and getting worse. 0:08:45.120 --> 0:08:46.360 And I don't think. 0:08:46.200 --> 0:08:49.040 That there's some deniable about climate change. I don't think 0:08:49.080 --> 0:08:52.000 any serious person would deny that the climate change is 0:08:52.559 --> 0:08:55.480 something that would face the I think though, what I 0:08:55.679 --> 0:08:58.679 meant as well, for in the terms of game changer, 0:08:58.720 --> 0:09:01.520 because like you, I'm kind of ethically will be you know, 0:09:01.559 --> 0:09:04.520 a game changer around a global or even a national scale. 0:09:04.720 --> 0:09:08.000 But I think in terms of Los Angeles itself, it 0:09:08.120 --> 0:09:11.520 feels like a real gut punch. I mean, like, oh, yeah, 0:09:11.679 --> 0:09:16.480 you know, first the pandemic, and then the actors strike 0:09:16.520 --> 0:09:19.840 and the writer strike and the labor disputes, and then this, 0:09:20.200 --> 0:09:23.920 I mean, and then the advent of streaming and the 0:09:23.960 --> 0:09:28.040 way the industry is changing. Anyway, it really seems like 0:09:28.400 --> 0:09:31.960 I have no map for this. I don't know where 0:09:31.960 --> 0:09:32.600 it goes now. 0:09:33.080 --> 0:09:36.439 It's too many things at the same Yeah, it's too 0:09:36.520 --> 0:09:39.240 many things. And you know, I think I think we're 0:09:39.240 --> 0:09:43.240 going to see a lot of people leaving LA, which 0:09:44.320 --> 0:09:45.920 happens every once in a while on the wake of 0:09:45.960 --> 0:09:49.840 these big disasters. There's people that just decide I can't, 0:09:50.000 --> 0:09:53.400 I can't be here anymore. It's just too scary. Yeah, 0:09:54.040 --> 0:09:57.400 And you know, in terms of the business itself, I mean, 0:09:57.840 --> 0:10:00.640 I don't know what's going to happen because nothing shoots 0:10:00.640 --> 0:10:01.280 here anymore. 0:10:01.440 --> 0:10:02.439 And that would. 0:10:02.160 --> 0:10:10.440 Be a huge revitalization of the town. But I just, yeah, 0:10:10.480 --> 0:10:12.960 I don't know, I know, it doesn't in the thing 0:10:14.240 --> 0:10:15.720 I was just gonna say, it seems like there's not 0:10:16.000 --> 0:10:20.840 enough people that are interested in fixing those things because 0:10:21.080 --> 0:10:23.200 it is cheaper for them not to fix them. 0:10:23.920 --> 0:10:27.280 I think that's true of like the corporate overlords, and 0:10:27.360 --> 0:10:31.000 I think it's true of the what I kind of 0:10:31.000 --> 0:10:32.640 think is And I think, like you, you and I 0:10:32.679 --> 0:10:35.559 have were apart from me lying about nineteen ninety five, 0:10:35.679 --> 0:10:38.000 we worked in LA about the same amount. 0:10:37.760 --> 0:10:39.439 Of time, about the same amount of time. 0:10:39.760 --> 0:10:40.400 And of course you. 0:10:41.880 --> 0:10:46.440 Don't always interact with big stars. You're talking to you know, 0:10:46.679 --> 0:10:51.160 proups guys and the carpenters and grips and lighten people 0:10:51.200 --> 0:10:54.240 and people who it's a middle class just it's a 0:10:54.400 --> 0:10:59.199 kind of working jojobs, not a jojob, but it professional people. 0:10:59.200 --> 0:11:01.560 But there are super healthy you know, it's just. 0:11:01.679 --> 0:11:05.120 You know, it's just a qualified job, like working in 0:11:05.160 --> 0:11:08.000 any other kind of factory. Yeah, And I think these 0:11:08.040 --> 0:11:09.800 are the people that are going to like, what the 0:11:09.800 --> 0:11:10.520 hell do you do? 0:11:11.080 --> 0:11:12.719 Yeah, when they change it like that. 0:11:13.160 --> 0:11:14.720 I know, and people think that. 0:11:15.320 --> 0:11:17.120 I think a lot of people outside of LA think 0:11:17.160 --> 0:11:20.760 that everybody here is just the people that you see 0:11:20.880 --> 0:11:24.040 on the covers of magazines, you know, and it's not 0:11:24.200 --> 0:11:25.840 what it is. There's a lot of people that have 0:11:27.080 --> 0:11:29.920 you know, been here for generations, that you know, bought 0:11:30.000 --> 0:11:33.400 their houses when they were you know, very cheap years 0:11:33.400 --> 0:11:38.640 and years ago, and you know, now that's not there anymore, 0:11:38.800 --> 0:11:40.600 and the work's not there anymore. 0:11:40.720 --> 0:11:42.080 And you know, I've. 0:11:42.400 --> 0:11:46.559 I've worked on things that shot in Atlanta or Vancouver 0:11:46.720 --> 0:11:49.480 or whatever, and you have people from la that crew, 0:11:49.520 --> 0:11:52.680 people that moved there to these places because there was more. 0:11:52.480 --> 0:11:54.520 Work there than where they lived. 0:11:55.120 --> 0:12:01.600 And the thing that really sucks is that the people 0:12:01.640 --> 0:12:06.320 that are involved in in these that are overseeing the networks, 0:12:06.360 --> 0:12:10.120 the studios and everything. It's it's not the days of 0:12:10.480 --> 0:12:13.959 you know, the the Xanac brothers and the Warner brothers anymore. 0:12:14.000 --> 0:12:17.160 You don't have people that sort of take a pride 0:12:17.360 --> 0:12:20.200 in that business. And they were businessmen, but it was 0:12:20.280 --> 0:12:24.160 their business and so they there was still room for artistry. 0:12:24.200 --> 0:12:26.880 There was no algorithm they they like. It wasn't a 0:12:26.880 --> 0:12:30.480 bottom line thing. It was this is our business of 0:12:30.520 --> 0:12:33.040 making these things. We are trying to guess what people like, 0:12:33.120 --> 0:12:36.800 what people you know, what is quality. Put it out there, 0:12:36.920 --> 0:12:39.439 and now it really is these these dudes that come 0:12:39.480 --> 0:12:43.439 in from you know, different businesses that are looking at 0:12:43.440 --> 0:12:45.560 it like, well we'll cut this, this, this, and this, 0:12:45.640 --> 0:12:49.200 and it's like that's the whole and that's that's what 0:12:49.360 --> 0:12:51.560 makes it good. You all the things that you're getting 0:12:51.640 --> 0:12:52.760 rid of is what makes it good. 0:13:00.360 --> 0:13:02.199 I think though that you know, if I look at 0:13:02.320 --> 0:13:05.880 the generations of young artists that are coming up now, 0:13:06.000 --> 0:13:10.040 I don't think that Hollywood is aspirational for them in 0:13:10.080 --> 0:13:12.679 the way that it was perhaps for my generation. That 0:13:13.280 --> 0:13:16.199 you know, I would see the black and white photographs 0:13:16.200 --> 0:13:18.760 of movie stars that we have been airbrushed to perfection 0:13:18.880 --> 0:13:22.760 and this, you know that the this swindle and the 0:13:22.800 --> 0:13:25.560 myth that was sold by Hollywood, which I which I liked, 0:13:25.600 --> 0:13:29.200 which I wanted, you know, I liked the artifice of it. 0:13:29.640 --> 0:13:31.600 And then when I got there, I don't know if 0:13:31.640 --> 0:13:33.280 you had the same experience when I got there, and 0:13:33.360 --> 0:13:37.880 it was demystified, slowly, it was demistified because I even 0:13:37.920 --> 0:13:40.920 to this day, I haven't done it for a few years. 0:13:40.920 --> 0:13:43.240 But when you drive on a law and the bar 0:13:43.400 --> 0:13:45.640 goes up, and you drive on a movie law and 0:13:45.720 --> 0:13:49.920 you see the spaceman and the you know cowboy and 0:13:49.960 --> 0:13:52.319 the shoe girrels and that, you know, and it's like, ah, 0:13:52.520 --> 0:13:56.840 this is awesome. I think all of that goes away now. 0:13:56.960 --> 0:14:00.560 I think that it's and it's I think. I mean, 0:14:00.679 --> 0:14:03.079 you have young children or your kids a little I 0:14:03.120 --> 0:14:06.280 have zero children. Oh you have zero children? Well then 0:14:06.440 --> 0:14:07.720 then will you leave? 0:14:08.679 --> 0:14:09.360 You can leave that. 0:14:10.160 --> 0:14:13.320 I could, but this is this is our home, you know. 0:14:13.520 --> 0:14:15.960 Yeah, we we love it here, my wife and I 0:14:16.000 --> 0:14:18.319 and we've we've lived here for a long time, and 0:14:18.480 --> 0:14:23.520 you know, it's it. You realize in the wake of 0:14:23.560 --> 0:14:28.920 these things, what a what a real community that exists 0:14:28.920 --> 0:14:33.320 in Los Angeles, and that it's not it's not even. 0:14:33.200 --> 0:14:36.000 What we pretend that it is a lot of the time, it. 0:14:35.960 --> 0:14:38.560 Really is like it's it's a city like anywhere else, 0:14:38.600 --> 0:14:41.160 and people care about each other and people are helping out. 0:14:41.200 --> 0:14:44.880 And as many as many horror stories you hear about landlords, 0:14:45.040 --> 0:14:49.000 you know, raising rental prices eight thousand percent, and you know, 0:14:49.200 --> 0:14:52.120 looters and stuff like that, most of what you see 0:14:52.200 --> 0:14:55.640 is people coming together and helping each other out, donating 0:14:56.080 --> 0:14:58.760 you know, stuff and money and time, and and you know, 0:14:58.880 --> 0:15:01.920 it's it's a really heartwarming thing to see. 0:15:02.400 --> 0:15:04.480 You know, it's funny that you should mention that. 0:15:04.520 --> 0:15:07.520 I was watching coverage of it on the BBC last 0:15:07.560 --> 0:15:10.600 night and the reporter was out in the field and 0:15:10.880 --> 0:15:13.640 bumped into someone who was working the line handed out 0:15:13.640 --> 0:15:16.760 water people and it was will Arnette bo Jack Horseman 0:15:16.880 --> 0:15:19.720 himself and you go, And it was I just I 0:15:19.760 --> 0:15:23.800 heard the voice. I was like, whoa, and it's it's 0:15:23.920 --> 0:15:26.360 as you say, because I remember when I moved to 0:15:26.440 --> 0:15:29.640 la in the nineties, it kind of had a it 0:15:30.360 --> 0:15:32.040 seems weird to say it, because it was still a 0:15:32.080 --> 0:15:34.160 huge city then, but it had a kind of sleepy 0:15:34.160 --> 0:15:37.040 feel about it. It had a kind of oh, I 0:15:37.120 --> 0:15:39.440 remember it very well. I think it went away when 0:15:39.840 --> 0:15:43.320 when they invented iPhones or something. But I like it 0:15:43.440 --> 0:15:47.920 changed when people could, you know, drive as close as 0:15:47.920 --> 0:15:50.400 they could to the Hollywood Sign, or when the maps 0:15:50.400 --> 0:15:53.080 of the stars homes were on your phone instead of 0:15:53.360 --> 0:15:55.960 being sold to you by some dodgy customer at the 0:15:56.000 --> 0:15:59.840 side of the road waving a map and stuff. And 0:16:00.080 --> 0:16:02.160 I kinda miss all of that, but you know, things 0:16:02.160 --> 0:16:03.400 do change. 0:16:04.440 --> 0:16:07.160 What what is it done for you business wise? 0:16:07.200 --> 0:16:10.880 Do you I mean, do you still follow the model 0:16:10.960 --> 0:16:15.360 of you know, developing taking an idea too. I'll tell 0:16:15.360 --> 0:16:17.960 you where I'm going with this. If I have an idea, now, 0:16:18.000 --> 0:16:20.800 I don't go to anyone who works in show business. 0:16:20.880 --> 0:16:23.280 I go to someone who will give me money, right, 0:16:23.320 --> 0:16:26.960 and then I just do it myself. Yeah. I The 0:16:27.080 --> 0:16:30.400 last vestige of corporate shittiness in my life at the 0:16:30.440 --> 0:16:33.920 moment is doing this podcast, and and my contracts up 0:16:33.960 --> 0:16:37.400 for that in six months and then and then these 0:16:37.400 --> 0:16:43.440 guys can kiss my ass and I continue to do 0:16:43.480 --> 0:16:45.840 the podcast. But I don't need them. I have a computer. 0:16:46.280 --> 0:16:48.600 Yeah, it's exactly. 0:16:50.280 --> 0:16:52.800 What about you? I mean, are you gonna. 0:16:53.520 --> 0:16:57.640 It's it's a mixture of uh, still trying to go 0:16:57.720 --> 0:17:01.680 through the old channels, but also figuring out how to 0:17:01.720 --> 0:17:04.760 do stuff by yourself. And the double edged sort of 0:17:04.800 --> 0:17:09.200 that is that on the one hand, it's never been 0:17:09.280 --> 0:17:11.560 easier to do stuff by yourself in terms of the 0:17:11.600 --> 0:17:15.439 technology right like, which is fantastic. And one of the 0:17:15.480 --> 0:17:19.320 things that I that I really love about the time 0:17:19.320 --> 0:17:21.800 that we're living in is that people can make their thing, 0:17:22.200 --> 0:17:25.720 whether it's a movie, TV show, podcast, whatever, people can 0:17:25.760 --> 0:17:28.720 figure out a way to make it. Getting it out 0:17:28.760 --> 0:17:31.840 to people is easier than it used to be, But 0:17:32.080 --> 0:17:37.040 there's so much noise that it's a scary prospect to 0:17:37.200 --> 0:17:42.199 sink like your life savings into your passion project and 0:17:42.240 --> 0:17:45.399 then have nothing happen, have nobody find it, you know. 0:17:46.000 --> 0:17:49.840 So for me and the people that I know at 0:17:49.960 --> 0:17:54.080 the sort of showbiz level that I'm at, there is 0:17:54.160 --> 0:17:57.640 still like a pressure to go try to go through 0:17:57.640 --> 0:18:00.679 the old channels and see what happens. But it's harder 0:18:00.720 --> 0:18:05.600 than ever because even though it's the curse of there's 0:18:05.640 --> 0:18:08.560 so many outlets now, but because there's so many outlets now, 0:18:09.640 --> 0:18:11.919 to try to stand out, to try to get to 0:18:11.960 --> 0:18:14.280 cut through all that noise is harder than ever because 0:18:14.280 --> 0:18:19.160 there's so much shit. It's so much and now when 0:18:19.200 --> 0:18:21.199 you're it used to be you could pitch an idea 0:18:21.760 --> 0:18:23.720 and they either liked it or it didn't. Now, before 0:18:23.720 --> 0:18:25.159 you even pitched the idea, it's like you have to 0:18:25.200 --> 0:18:27.399 attach these people, you have to attach this guy, you 0:18:27.440 --> 0:18:29.640 have to touch and it's like this is not even 0:18:29.680 --> 0:18:32.080 a thing yet, it's not even a thing yet. 0:18:32.200 --> 0:18:34.800 We're attaching all these people on a on a wish 0:18:34.840 --> 0:18:35.160 and a. 0:18:35.080 --> 0:18:38.399 Prayer and you know who moves a needle, You know, 0:18:38.560 --> 0:18:42.320 all this shit and it's like, look and a funny idea. 0:18:43.160 --> 0:18:45.360 Yeah, it's the It's the weirdest thing about it though, 0:18:45.400 --> 0:18:48.560 because there's a story the friend of mine who's a 0:18:48.600 --> 0:18:51.840 big old timey you know, he's doing fail Hammer. He 0:18:52.160 --> 0:18:55.679 started in Run's Langsgate, right, and fail Hammer is a 0:18:55.720 --> 0:18:58.480 friend of mine in and he was telling me about 0:18:58.560 --> 0:19:02.120 back in the day when the we're selling MGM. 0:19:02.359 --> 0:19:05.000 To Sony I think it was Sony, is that right. 0:19:06.119 --> 0:19:08.080 I had to go to Japan and everything was done 0:19:08.080 --> 0:19:11.959 through you know, board level meetings, through interpreters and stuff, 0:19:11.960 --> 0:19:14.960 and they were talking to some high powered Japanese executives 0:19:15.000 --> 0:19:18.200 through an interpreter and they were asking about the film 0:19:18.200 --> 0:19:22.679 business and the Japanese executive said, tell us, you know, 0:19:22.720 --> 0:19:24.600 basically the product in a year. 0:19:24.960 --> 0:19:27.200 He said, well, look, you know, as you do like. 0:19:27.200 --> 0:19:30.639 MGM, we'll make maybe forty movies in a year, and 0:19:31.200 --> 0:19:35.119 you know, twenty will do okay, you know, maybe five 0:19:35.160 --> 0:19:38.960 of them will be hits and the rest will be 0:19:39.119 --> 0:19:41.879 kind of like, you know, well, we tried and we 0:19:41.920 --> 0:19:45.160 fell and they were kind of does. And it went 0:19:45.160 --> 0:19:48.399 through the interpreter, and the interpreater came back after some 0:19:48.520 --> 0:19:55.320 and he said, my colleague says, could you possibly just 0:19:55.520 --> 0:19:56.240 make the hits? 0:19:59.240 --> 0:19:59.919 Is it? 0:20:00.160 --> 0:20:00.600 Yeah? 0:20:00.840 --> 0:20:02.840 That would be great if we could just make that 0:20:03.680 --> 0:20:04.439 terrific idea. 0:20:05.240 --> 0:20:08.600 I know it's a great look, but I think that 0:20:08.600 --> 0:20:12.840 that kind of because unless you're in show business whatever. 0:20:13.160 --> 0:20:16.240 Look John Felheimer is a great executive, but he's still 0:20:16.359 --> 0:20:17.120 show business. 0:20:17.160 --> 0:20:20.040 He's still you know, he's he's still that guy. 0:20:20.240 --> 0:20:24.240 And and I think that, you know, the these kind 0:20:24.240 --> 0:20:27.639 of guys are going away, and like you say, people 0:20:27.640 --> 0:20:28.199 are coming in. 0:20:28.280 --> 0:20:29.240 Who are who are? 0:20:29.280 --> 0:20:33.239 Like, I don't know what your qualifications are for this 0:20:33.400 --> 0:20:34.680 other than you. 0:20:34.680 --> 0:20:35.920 Went to school. 0:20:36.119 --> 0:20:39.720 I mean, yeah, it's School's not a great place for 0:20:40.119 --> 0:20:41.440 artists a lot of the time. 0:20:42.080 --> 0:20:42.560 Very true. 0:20:43.040 --> 0:20:46.040 It can slow them down, you know what idea of yours? 0:20:46.080 --> 0:20:49.399 I love this when you do that podcast when you 0:20:49.400 --> 0:20:52.880 were H. G. Wells, Oh the Dead Authors podcast. Yeah, 0:20:53.000 --> 0:20:56.160 Dead Author's podcast when you were H. G. Wells and 0:20:56.359 --> 0:21:00.200 going through time interviewing dead authors. See I love that. Yeah, 0:21:00.400 --> 0:21:03.720 Now did you in that podcast? Did you ever have HG. 0:21:03.800 --> 0:21:07.119 Wells talk to and C. S. 0:21:07.200 --> 0:21:10.280 Lewis. I don't think we ever had C. S. Lewis. Interesting, 0:21:10.720 --> 0:21:13.080 Yeah we had. I think Tolkien was as close as 0:21:13.080 --> 0:21:13.760 we got. C. S. 0:21:13.840 --> 0:21:18.080 Lewis and C. S. Lewis were friends, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:21:18.119 --> 0:21:20.960