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Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 2: What's up, everybody.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to move the sticks, DJ Buck with you and

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Speaker 1: excited to have the new head football coach at Appalachian

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Speaker 1: State University, dow Login's joining the show. Coach. How are

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Speaker 2: Doing great? Wonderful to be sitting this office right now,

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Speaker 2: and so much respect for the people that have come

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Speaker 1: We're gonna get We're gonna get through the whole background

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Speaker 1: and what's got you to this point. But I do

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Speaker 1: have to ask you what was the what was the

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, So I had an opportunity to meet

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Speaker 2: and the expectation is to win, and you just you

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Speaker 2: But intrigue me about this place is they know how

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Speaker 3: You know, coaching and thinking about that, doing it the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is a challenge. And I don't know if

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Speaker 2: But here's where you can make mistakes. If you don't

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Speaker 3: You know, Coach, There's so many things out of that

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Speaker 3: Look it is it is a fascinating time when when

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Speaker 2: And I think you deal with the people. The people.

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I agree on Henderson, and you don't want to

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it. This has been fun. Best of luck

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Speaker 1: So well, I'm all my way. I'll see up there

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Speaker 2: I appreciate you guys.

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Speaker 1: It is a rich tradition, rich culture, and am excited

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Speaker 1: for doll Logins get this opportunity, first time head coach,

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Speaker 1: but a lot of experience and as you can tell

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Speaker 1: from that conversation, a ton of energy and excitement about

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Speaker 1: what's in store and what's ahead there for the football

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Speaker 1: program on the mountain up there and boon for Appalachian State.

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Speaker 1: Hope you guys have enjoyed this conversation. Hope you enjoyed

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Speaker 1: this pod. We'll see you next time right here on

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Speaker 1: move the sticks,