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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to food Stuff on Annie Reeves and

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Speaker 1: I'm Lauren vocal Bum and today it's the pumpkin episode. Yes,

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Speaker 1: but don't roll your eyes and click away just yet.

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Speaker 1: So don't I know, it's pumpkin everything, and it's kind

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Speaker 1: of an overdone trend at this point, really, but yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's pumpkin is really interesting when you think about it,

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Speaker 1: because it's a food and a decoration and it feels

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Speaker 1: kind of new to me. I mean, does it feel

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Speaker 1: new to you apart from now we're reaching saturation point?

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Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, aside well, I mean I don't know. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's it's it's got such a long history. It's one

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Speaker 1: of the first cultivated foods. Yeah, and we just I

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Speaker 1: feel like in the United States we haven't been eating

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Speaker 1: it that long and we still kind of don't utilize it,

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Speaker 1: kind of go back and forth about it. Yeah, there

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Speaker 1: we have periods of eating it and then just tale decorations.

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Speaker 1: It's really okay. So I checked Google trends and the

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Speaker 1: search graft for pumpkin is just hilariously peaked. Um every

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Speaker 1: October the search is spike like one thousand nine. That

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Speaker 1: is quite a percent versus the rest of the year. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's it's nuts. Um, we hit peak pumpkin searches. By

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Speaker 1: the way, it's never pumpkin search. Searches for pumpkin spice, meanwhile,

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Speaker 1: have been trending upward since Google started recording data in

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Speaker 1: two thousand four, with really huge yearly gemps again in

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Speaker 1: October starting starting mostly um. Also, no one outside of

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Speaker 1: the United States and Canada gives a single fig about

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Speaker 1: pumpkin spice anything, according to Google, So really, yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: just a low, steady burn trend. Yeah, I like the

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Speaker 1: measurement of fig as well. We should adopt that. How

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Speaker 1: many figs do I give? Three figs? Three figs like pumpkin? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: let's talk about it. Let's let's do that. NG if

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Speaker 1: you're if you're from the United States anyway, that the

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Speaker 1: word pumpkin probably evokes a really specific image, like a

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Speaker 1: large squash that has this hard, smooth ribbed, orange colored

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Speaker 1: shell that's harvested in the fall, But the term can

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Speaker 1: actually refer to this really ridiculous number of different species

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Speaker 1: and cultivars within that species, cultivars being strains that have

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Speaker 1: been bred by humans for specific properties. They're all in

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Speaker 1: the genus Cucurbita probably um, and most are in the

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Speaker 1: species Cucurbita peppo, which is actually just this tremendously huge

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Speaker 1: category a. Technically zucchini a k a. Corgette for many

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Speaker 1: of our European listeners, is the same species as pumpkin.

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Speaker 1: Really same species. They don't like anything like Nope. Cultivars uh,

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Speaker 1: Squash in general are are categorized as summer or winter

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Speaker 1: varieties based on when they're harvested. The summer types, like zucchini,

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Speaker 1: have soft skins and offt seeds and are harvested in

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Speaker 1: the summer. The winter types tend to have these hard

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Speaker 1: kind of gordy skins, which are natural preservers um. If

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Speaker 1: you keep them in a cool, dark place, they'll hold

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Speaker 1: up for at least two months without any kind of intervention.

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Speaker 1: And um. The seeds are a little bit harder to

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Speaker 1: They should generally be cooked in some way before you

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Speaker 1: consume them. Yeah, but what is it? What is it? Well,

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Speaker 1: pumpkin is a fruit botanically speaking, a berry. Actually it's

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Speaker 1: like tomatoes. Uh, they're they're the ovary of the pumpkin

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Speaker 1: flower that has grown large enough to contain, protect the

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Speaker 1: growth of and hopefully distribute lots of seeds. Uh. These

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Speaker 1: flowers and their resulting fruit grow on vines, and the

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Speaker 1: fruit gets really big if you give them enough resources

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Speaker 1: to do so. The biggest on record is from a

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Speaker 1: Belgian grower. In his pumpkin weighed two thousand, six hundred

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Speaker 1: and twenty four pounds a k A like one thousands

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Speaker 1: a k A just a little it less than a

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Speaker 1: Honda Civic. WHOA, So you and I both have Honda Civics,

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Speaker 1: and I'm just trying to imagine replacing my Honda Civic

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Speaker 1: certainly both fit with cargo room inside of one of

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Speaker 1: these pumpkins. All you're worth looking into? Talk about Cinderella, right.

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Speaker 1: Pumpkins are grown all over the world. By the way,

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Speaker 1: the only continent they can't grow on is Antarctica. Let

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Speaker 1: I mean, I suppose that indoors in a greenhouse, you

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Speaker 1: much grows in Antarctica when you think about it. Um,

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Speaker 1: And they're grown for multiple uses, animal feed decoration and

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Speaker 1: human feed consumption. Yeah, they grow during a single season.

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Speaker 1: Seeds planted in late spring will mature to full fruit

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Speaker 1: by fall. This reminds me. I have a friend who

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Speaker 1: angrily threw her Jack o'lann once and it still has

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Speaker 1: But maybe she had the right just had the right

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Speaker 1: in both sweet and savory dishes when traveling, especially in

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Speaker 1: like packaged chunks um. And you can find small hole

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Speaker 1: pumpkins in Japanese savory dishes like tempura um roasted like

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Speaker 1: any other vegetable in Australia, New Zealand as a sweet

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Speaker 1: in India and the Middle East, in pastas in Italy.

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Speaker 1: In places like China and Kenya, the leaves are steamed

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Speaker 1: and eaten pumpkin and squash blossoms are very popular in

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Speaker 1: Mexico and the southwestern US. You find it in most

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Speaker 1: parts of it, used every which way, from Super Sweet

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Speaker 1: through Mexico where you just go and try all the

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Speaker 1: different types of pumpkin, all the different color bezos. Yes, exactly,

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Speaker 1: that sounds delicious. Um. And there's this pumpkin soup. I

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Speaker 1: still regret not trying. I was hiking in the Andes

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Speaker 1: they served pumpkin soup, and they served it in the

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Speaker 1: pumpkin and I love pumpkin and soup. And I was

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Speaker 1: so upset that there was no way, no way. I

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Speaker 1: was like seeing spots falling slowly out of my chair.

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Speaker 1: Now next, next time, next time, next time I'm hiking

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Speaker 1: Certainly not on pumpkin soup day. Yes, of all the days.

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Speaker 1: The pumpkin industry is how having a bit of a heyday.

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Speaker 1: In the US, pumpkin production went from around a seventy

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Speaker 1: five million dollar industry in two thousand and one to

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Speaker 1: And most of the pumpkins were buying in the store

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Speaker 1: are the big Halloween pumpkins that we think of, yes,

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Speaker 1: a processing pumpkin process yes, which I believe is so

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Speaker 1: named because a majority of them end up in processing

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Speaker 1: plants where their flesh is processed, canned, and shipped to

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Speaker 1: grocery stores as pie filling, pipe filling, or the like.

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Speaker 1: So that sounds kind of horrifying the use of the

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Speaker 1: word flesh generally. Yeah. Most pumpkins, candor otherwise in the

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Speaker 1: US also come from Illinois. Illinois lead the way in

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Speaker 1: US pumpkin production with three eighteen million pounds owns. Also,

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Speaker 1: the seeds. Pumpkin seeds are eating as snacks, roasted usually

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Speaker 1: They're also processed into seed oil, which can be used

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Speaker 1: get in on this pumpkin business right now. Uh. Pepita's,

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Speaker 1: carving pumpkins have the haul on them. That's the whole part.

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Speaker 1: Gap um. They're especially popular in Mexico, where where cucabita

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Speaker 1: peppo originated as both a snack and a recipe ingredient

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Speaker 1: um either whole or ground up into a nice little paste.

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Speaker 1: I do love pumpkin seeds. We have to have a

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Speaker 1: sweet recipe and a savory recipe. Very good. I've never

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Speaker 1: canned pumpkin is probably mostly not pumpkin. Other squashes yeah

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Speaker 1: mostly not. Grocery stores are lying twists again, surprise, surprise.

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Speaker 1: So that's briefly what pumpkin is. But let's talk about

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Speaker 1: the history of pumpkin as a food because this is

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Speaker 1: a food show. We're we're also going to talk a

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Speaker 1: little bit about the history of pumpkins decoration. Well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I can't not talk about it, I mean absolutely, But

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Speaker 1: the oldest evidence archaeologists have found of pumpkins comes from

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Speaker 1: the Wahaka Highlands of Mexico, dating back seven thousand, five

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Speaker 1: hundred years, pretty long time, where they discovered the domesticated

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Speaker 1: pumpkin seats. And these early pumpkins were most likely at

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Speaker 1: smaller and bitterer er, but they were really durable and

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Speaker 1: probably some of the first crops consumed in North America,

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Speaker 1: and the Native Americans would pound strips of pumpkin flat

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Speaker 1: but they would also eat the dry strops for consumption. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they tasted quite pleasant. Yeah, they'd roast them. They'd roast

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Speaker 1: them up and use them as flower are very versatile.

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Speaker 1: Um Pumpkin seeds were a favorite of the Aztecs and

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Speaker 1: the Mayans would cook the fruit into sauces, toast and

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Speaker 1: pumpkins to drink out of ours bowls or other storage

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Speaker 1: farmers discovered the benefits of the three sisters formation, which

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Speaker 1: I never heard of. The three sisters here are squash, maze,

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Speaker 1: and beans, and like any good sisters, they help each

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Speaker 1: other grow some their good sisters. The beans grow up

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Speaker 1: and along the cornstalks, using them like a natural trellis,

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Speaker 1: the moisture in the soil. It sounds like a pretty

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Speaker 1: sweet set up to me. Absolutely. When the Spanish or

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Speaker 1: arrived and the Yucatan in the native people served them

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Speaker 1: a dish of corn to tillas and pumpkin sea sauce

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Speaker 1: called food for the Lords, it sounds pretty good. The

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Speaker 1: Spanish must have liked it because they took the seeds

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Speaker 1: back to Spain where it's spread and diversified. And lots

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Speaker 1: of New World foods took a while to catch on,

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Speaker 1: like remember the tomato, But the pumpkin was similar enough

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Speaker 1: to squashes that already existed in the Old World, but

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Speaker 1: around popular And this is a roundabout the time the

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Speaker 1: word pumpkin first appeared. It originates from the Greek word

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Speaker 1: meaning large melon. Makes sense. In fifteen forty seven, the

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Speaker 1: English started using pompignons or pomp pillon. I'm saying this

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Speaker 1: And that term comes from the French. Pompillon is yes,

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Speaker 1: the French word for for pumpkin, um, and it was

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Speaker 1: through the seventeen hundreds, upper class Europeans referred to pumpkins

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Speaker 1: sugar syrup and guava and cinnamon. And it's studs that

425
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 1: the pumpkin fibers soak up all of that flavor. Oh

426
00:26:55,760 --> 00:27:01,320
Speaker 1: that sounds good. I've always wanted to check that out. Okay,

427
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:05,919
Speaker 1: now I'm kind of like spooked out. Here's something to

428
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 1: kind of bring bring you back, bring you back. The

429
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 1: Global Pumpkin Growing Competition market. Uh huh may have been

430
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,479
Speaker 1: kick started by the World's Fair in Paris in nineteen

431
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:18,640
Speaker 1: hundred and the showing there of a four hundred pound

432
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 1: pumpkin specimen. It's about a hundred and eighty one wow.

433
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 1: Well from there, let's jump skip to three and the

434
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Speaker 1: home of a large pumpkin cannary, E Sears Canning in Circleville, Ohio.

435
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 1: Each fall farmers whose wagons overfloweth with pumpkins, they would

436
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,399
Speaker 1: make the check to the Canary to get their products canned.

437
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 1: In response, in nineteen o three, the mayor announced Circleville

438
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 1: would hold an annual autumn produce festival, with pumpkin in

439
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 1: starring role. During the Great Depression, E Sears Canning was

440
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 1: forced to shut her as stores, but the festival still

441
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,880
Speaker 1: continues to this day under the name The Pumpkin Show,

442
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:04,359
Speaker 1: the largest pumpkin festival of its time. There's the largest

443
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:07,639
Speaker 1: pumpkin contests, largest pumpkin pie contest. I want to be

444
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 1: involved in that so badly, and a miss pumpkin pageant.

445
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:16,640
Speaker 1: I love these like little small festivals. Yea, and there

446
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 1: are as I'm sure you could get many, many, many,

447
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 1: many many pumpkin festivals. Pumpkin chunkin the Art and Pumpkin

448
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 1: Festival in California, and there's some amazing, just truly stunning

449
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 1: Jack o'landard displays at a lot of these. I recommend

450
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 1: looking them up. I want to see one in real

451
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 1: life so badly. Oh yeah, I have a friend she

452
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 1: sent me a video of when she was out last year.

453
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 1: I think she was in Salem. Oh man, I was

454
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 1: so jealous. If you guys have any good photographs of

455
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 1: that kind of thing, send send them on in. Yeah. Um,

456
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 1: pumpkins is a food Meanwhile, we are still a food show.

457
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,479
Speaker 1: Um in the United States anyway, fell out of fashion

458
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 1: for a bit between World War One and World War Two,

459
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 1: but picked up again with the surge in trigger treating

460
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 1: that came about during the post World War two era,

461
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 1: which was that golden age when the streets were paved

462
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 1: with candy and young baby boomers, not literally paved. That

463
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 1: would be Chris Um. There was another bit of a

464
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 1: dip in pumpkin eating around here from the nineteen seventies

465
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 1: through the nineties, as the squash was bred more for

466
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 1: for carve ability than for a taste and texture, but

467
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 1: another trend would bring it back from the ashes. Yet again,

468
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 1: I wonder what it could be. Oh, we'll find out.

469
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 1: After another quick break for a word from our sponsor,

470
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 1: and we're back, Thank you sponsor. Okay, so it's time

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Speaker 1: to talk about pumpkin spice. Pumpkin pie spice, pumpkin spice, yes,

472
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 1: that whole uh pumpkin pie flavor, combination of of sweet slash,

473
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 1: savory squash plus not meg plus them in yeah uh

474
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 1: and I bet a lot of you can guess what

475
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 1: started this trend. The two thousand three release of these

476
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 1: Starbucks Pumpkin Spice latte those PSL's, yes, trending on Twitter

477
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 1: probably as we speak. Between launch and Starbucks sold two

478
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 1: hundred million pumpkin spice lattes and that that was as

479
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's a lot more these days. Yeah uh.

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00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 1: And that's extra not bad for a product that Starbucks

481
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 1: wasn't even sure about to begin with, um, given that

482
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 1: the flavor overpowers that of coffee and is more easily

483
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 1: reproducible than high quality coffee, which ostensibly Starbucks wants to

484
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 1: be known for primarily you would think ostensibly, yes, once

485
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 1: it caught on, they were like, oh, well that's fine. Yeah, okay,

486
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 1: we'll just keep going with this one. Sales of pumpkin

487
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 1: spice flavored products jumped to almost three fifty million dollars

488
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:08,479
Speaker 1: in the United States. Most of that was pumpkin pie filling,

489
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 1: but Show Bonnie announced that it's limited release a pumpkin

490
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 1: spy Show Geen was the most successful in its history.

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00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 1: My goodness. And here's a number for you. That's the

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00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 1: increase of pumpkin as an ingredient in beverages since two

493
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Speaker 1: thousand and six, and pumpkin use on ben just beverages.

494
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 1: And I really do think Starbucks is like but that

495
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 1: was the pinnacle it all met at this point. Now

496
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 1: we're still living with the consequences UM, and pumpkin use

497
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 1: on menus has risen by ten times since two thousand

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00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 1: and six. A majority of pumpkin spice products sales do

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00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 1: you take place in the fall s falling between September

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00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 1: and November, and a survey conducted in found that thirty

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00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 1: four percent of the little over one thousand of adult

502
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 1: participants named pumpkin spices the number one flavor they associated

503
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 1: with fall. That makes sense, sure, uh. In the midst

504
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 1: of all of this, pumpkin beers have enjoyed some serious

505
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 1: seasonal resurgence. Starting in two thousand four, Seattle brewery Elysian

506
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 1: has hosted a Great Pumpkin Beer Festival every September and

507
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 1: or October, which this year will feature over eighty individual

508
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 1: pumpkin bruise. Beer Advocate dot com great website currently lists

509
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 1: one thousand, three hundred and ninety nine examples of pumpkin

510
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 1: ale having been professionally produced and sold worldwide. WHOA, that's

511
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 1: a lot. Yeah, many of them were probably like one

512
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 1: time offerings, but nonetheless like pumpkin and or pumpkin spice

513
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 1: in general, these beers are divisive. Yes. Yeah, many are

514
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 1: just super sweet and or super spiced and can arrange

515
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 1: in flavor closer to like Yankee candle than beer. My

516
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 1: current favorite pumpkin beer diss comes from the Paste magazine

517
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 1: review of Southern Tier Warlock Imperial Pumpkin Stout, which it

518
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 1: said tastes like quote decades old easy bake oven brownie

519
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 1: mix rehydrated with black licorice, liqueur harsh words. If you

520
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:22,479
Speaker 1: have either a favorite brand or a favorite diss, right

521
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 1: and let us know. I love that you have a

522
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 1: favorite diss. I've read a lot of them, I kind of.

523
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 1: I'm not a fan of pumpkin beer. I have some

524
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 1: that I like. I I yeah, I like very dry

525
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 1: flavored alcohols, so I do too, and I love pumpkin

526
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 1: and it is difficult to get a pumpkin beer right,

527
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 1: but I have had a like a handful that I like.

528
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 1: And I do this thing every Labor Day weekend where

529
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 1: I get summer beer and usually pumpkin beer or fall beer,

530
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 1: and I say goodbye to summer and hello to fall,

531
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 1: even though fall doesn't technically start thin. That's just my tradition. No,

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00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 1: that's lovely. I thank you. And here is a quick

533
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 1: list of some of the weird pumpkin items you might

534
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:10,399
Speaker 1: encounter in the fall. You've got pumpkin spice, marshmallows, peeps,

535
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 1: pumpkin spice, yogurt, pumpkins by sandwich bread, pumpkin spice, popcorn,

536
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 1: pumpkins spice, chips, pumpkin spice, almonds, pumpkin spice, morsels, pumpkins spy, sprinkles,

537
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:21,800
Speaker 1: pumpkin spice, pok pumpkin spice, white powder, pumpkin spice areas,

538
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:25,880
Speaker 1: pumpkin spice, freada cheeny pumpkin spice gorbonzo beans, and it

539
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 1: goes on and on. I had to cut myself off.

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00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 1: I'm sure you guys have seen these products. There's an

541
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:35,359
Speaker 1: astonishing amount of Yeah, and then we didn't. I mean,

542
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 1: if we go into like lotions and perfumes, a whole

543
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 1: another thing, air fresheners out. Yeah. Also, I stumbled a

544
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 1: grassa tutorial on how to turn a pumpkin into a

545
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:49,320
Speaker 1: beer gag. Ohh um that that Great Pumpkin Beer Festival

546
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 1: features a giant pumpkin every year. Um from their website

547
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 1: ate several hundred pound pumpkin that is scooped, scorched, filled

548
00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 1: with Elysian pumpkin beer, sealed can, distioned, and then tapped

549
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 1: at the fest for all to enjoy. Okay, now I

550
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 1: want to check this out. There are so many things

551
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 1: I want to see. Field tripped to Seattle. Yes. Also,

552
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 1: apparently pumpkin pie kit cat bars are coming to the

553
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 1: United States this fall. I might try one of those.

554
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 1: I've had the pumpkin pie resus like my two favorite

555
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 1: candy pumpkin spice. Aside, eating pumpkins is actually pretty good

556
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:32,320
Speaker 1: for you. Um. I mean, you know, before you've added

557
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 1: crap tons of sugar, and cream or butter or whatever

558
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 1: into them. Um. Pumpkins are high in fiber, they've got

559
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 1: a touch of protein, and they're low in sugars and fats,

560
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,720
Speaker 1: which means that they are low calorie but super filling. Um.

561
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:45,799
Speaker 1: They've also got a ton of bated caroteen and are

562
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 1: good sources of a bunch of other vitamins and minerals

563
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:52,280
Speaker 1: like like vitamin C and potassium. Because of the moisture

564
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:54,839
Speaker 1: and pumpkin pumpkin puree, it can be used as a

565
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 1: as a good substitute for cooking fats in baked goods,

566
00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 1: especially quick breads like muffins or banana bread things, and

567
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 1: you can make your own pure if you want. Carving pumpkins,

568
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,919
Speaker 1: for example, are totally edible, but pie pumpkins are also

569
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 1: widely available in the United States and have a nicer

570
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 1: flavor slash texture due to their fiber content. Pumpkin is

571
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 1: also really great for controlling both constipation and diarrhea. UH.

572
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:19,959
Speaker 1: Fiber gets the bowels moving and also absorbs excess water

573
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 1: in the bowels. For that reason, it's a popular treatment

574
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 1: for digestive problems and pets. Just a teaspoon or too

575
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 1: mixed in with your catadog's food can work wonders. Yeah,

576
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 1: I did come across that a lot when I was

577
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 1: researching this episode. There you go. Yeah, yeah, uh. The

578
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:39,320
Speaker 1: seeds are a little less healthy, but still a totally

579
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 1: decent snack. They're they're high and good fats and have

580
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:45,319
Speaker 1: a good good amount of like high quality proteins. Um.

581
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 1: The type of the white holes are a better source

582
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 1: of fiber than pepitas, and this are a little bit

583
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 1: more filling. I I always clean the seeds from my

584
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 1: carving pumpkins and roast them, usually just with a sprinkle

585
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 1: of like vegetable oil and salt. One of my favorite things. Huh.

586
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 1: And as we say earlier, you can also eat pumpkin blossoms. Yeah,

587
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 1: like zucchini blossoms. They're pretty excellent breaded and fried. Not

588
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 1: so healthy, but that's fine. Um Or you can use

589
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 1: them the way that you would any other delicate green

590
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 1: like I think like spinach in a in a super

591
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 1: a stew. Yeah. I have three recipes I go too

592
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:21,839
Speaker 1: fairly often with pumpkin pumpkin bread. I love um pumpkin enchiladdas,

593
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 1: pumpkin enchiladdos good, and pumpkin chili versatile it is I'm

594
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:32,879
Speaker 1: not goodness okay, okay, so that brings us to our

595
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 1: culture bit yeah, okay. So first pumpkin chicken, Yes, punkin

596
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:42,439
Speaker 1: chickin Yeah. So in six a blacksmith by the name

597
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 1: of John Ellsworth started what would become the World Champion

598
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 1: punkin Chicken, an annual event in which growers and engineers

599
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 1: come together to see who can hurl a pumpkin the

600
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 1: furthest with neither electricity nor explosives involved, just the brain

601
00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 1: because we can. Yes. The competition claims to be the

602
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:03,760
Speaker 1: oldest of its kind, and I couldn't find any evidence

603
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 1: to the contrary. Though the sport has spread the United

604
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 1: States certainly, and has even popped up in Europe. Teams

605
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:15,280
Speaker 1: build whatever kind of device they want within the parameters catapults,

606
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 1: ter trebishes, or air cannons, and send their weight specified

607
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 1: pumpkins a fly. In the industry standards seems to be

608
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 1: eight ten pounds per pumpkin. Yeah, I'm glad they've got

609
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 1: a standard. Yeah. The record distance, according to Guinness, is

610
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 1: just over five thousand, five hundred and forty five feet,

611
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 1: which is about one thousand six so unsubstantial at all. Hey,

612
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 1: medieval Europeans take that, huh. Unfortunately, the original World Championship

613
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:49,839
Speaker 1: is canceled this year due to an injury at last

614
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:53,800
Speaker 1: year's competition and some pending litigation. But we hope that

615
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 1: that everyone everyone is mentally and physically doing better next

616
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 1: year and able to come back to us. Yes, And

617
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 1: speaking of competitions giant pumpkins, there are both regional and

618
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 1: global pumpkin growing competitions and they are a serious obsession

619
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 1: for the growers who enter. Careful genetic cultivation has grown

620
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 1: the field explosively in the past couple of decades. Just

621
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 1: fifteen years ago, one thousand pounds was this unheard of goal,

622
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 1: and now the top winners are more than double that.

623
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 1: These giant pumpkins can grow up to fifty pounds per

624
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:38,840
Speaker 1: day per day during peak growth season. Apparently, the secrets,

625
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:43,800
Speaker 1: aside from starting with like perfectly cultivated seeds, are pruning

626
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 1: your vines to just a few fruits, getting the right

627
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 1: amount of sun cover, feeding and watering them constantly, using

628
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 1: friendly fungi to help nutrient transfer into the roots, and

629
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 1: uh protecting their skins from cracks and covering them overnight

630
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 1: to keep them at the right picture, which just sounds

631
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:07,800
Speaker 1: so dear. Uh. Using using genetics, some growers and researchers

632
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 1: are hoping to push growth even further, and there doesn't

633
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 1: seem to be an eminent end to how big they

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00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:17,320
Speaker 1: could get. A paper published in the International Journal of

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Speaker 1: Non Linear Mechanics estimated that giant pumpkins of the proper

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Speaker 1: shape could hold up their own weight up to twenty

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Speaker 1: thousand pounds a k a like nine thousand kilograms. No,

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Speaker 1: if I saw twenty pound pumpkin, is there a horror

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Speaker 1: movie about this? Because if there should be? Oh yes, oh,

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Speaker 1: let's write it. Oh, I can use that jack lantern myth.

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Speaker 1: Oh it'll be so good, uh stingy Jack and the

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Speaker 1: twenty pound pumpkin. Oh, it's going to be excellent. Look out,

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Speaker 1: where are you guys? Yeah? Oh, but yeah, yeah yeah.

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Speaker 1: People get so excited about this. There's there's a yearly

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Speaker 1: cruise for giant pumpkin growers. Um and and I I

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Speaker 1: wanted to kind of end this our pumpkin episode on

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Speaker 1: a quote from from one such grower. There was an

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Speaker 1: article about these competitions in Time magazine, and uh. One

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Speaker 1: grower by the name of Ron Wallace was quoted as saying,

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Speaker 1: have you ever heard anybody say a bad word about

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Speaker 1: a pumpkin? No, pumpkins could solve the world's problems. Honestly,

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Speaker 1: everybody loves a pumpkin. They do. And to see one

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Speaker 1: grow that big, my heart. It's so sweet. It is. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I have to say, if I was at a party

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Speaker 1: and I overheard someone saying that they grew giant pumpkins,

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Speaker 1: it's like a hobby. I'm going to go talk to

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Speaker 1: that first. I want to know more about you and

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Speaker 1: your hobby. Do you think you can reach twenty pounds?

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Speaker 1: You know? Yeah, these are important party conversation topics. They

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Speaker 1: are um and you are welcome for learning from us

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Speaker 1: about these party topics. Yeah, there's so much we could

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Speaker 1: have impacked in this episode. I think the pumpkin spice

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Speaker 1: latte alone, Um, it's a deep cultural phenomenon. It is

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Speaker 1: and over on stuff I never told you. We did

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Speaker 1: one kind of about the assumptions that come with it,

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Speaker 1: like basic thing. Yeah, so maybe we'll revisit some of

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Speaker 1: this stuff because there's there's a lot surprisingly about the pumpkin,

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Speaker 1: about the humble pumpkin. I know that brings us to

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Speaker 1: listener Male Huzza. Sierra sent as this in response to

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Speaker 1: our apple pie I put recipe, but I'm going to

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Speaker 1: guess I'm an episode. Probably yes. I recently found an

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Speaker 1: old cookbook at a local flea market and it's been

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Speaker 1: full of amazing historical revelations and context. There's so many

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Speaker 1: dashes of quirk and oddity. It's called A Treasury of

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Speaker 1: Great Recipes by Mary and Vincent Price. Price. Yes, that

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Speaker 1: Vincent Price, and it was published in n It is

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Speaker 1: all caps. Fascinating. First off, who knew that Vincent Price

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Speaker 1: had a cookbook? Probably Holley Probably in it, he and

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Speaker 1: his wife have collected all of the hot cuisine of

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Speaker 1: five restaurants from around the world and adapt the recipes

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Speaker 1: of the to the American kitchen. It's such a great

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Speaker 1: look into how food as a spectacle and culture has

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Speaker 1: changed in the Western world since the sixties. Anyway, I

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Speaker 1: found an interesting tidbit describing the up and coming hot

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Speaker 1: dog bursting onto the scene in American cuisine, and in

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Speaker 1: it the Price describes it as American as blueberry pie. Gasp.

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Speaker 1: It made me wonder if blueberry was once the king

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Speaker 1: Americana of pies, and if so, when the switch to

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Speaker 1: Apple occurred. This may not really be the case, but

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Speaker 1: if Vincent Price stated it to be, so, it must

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Speaker 1: have been true. Um. She also sent us a hilariously

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Speaker 1: styled hot dog picture from the book and the topic

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Speaker 1: suggestion for aspects which I've never heard of and want

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Speaker 1: to cover so badly. Laura knows, I went on a

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Speaker 1: kind of a crazy rabbit hole. I was just looking

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Speaker 1: at pictures and laughing at my computer. Aspects being these

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Speaker 1: savory meat gelatin's from uh back in the day. They're

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Speaker 1: hilarious looking, They're really silly. Uh. Other listener male, regarding

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Speaker 1: our tomato episode of both Sandra on Facebook and lack

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Speaker 1: of Creativity on Instagram, wrote in about Lato Matina, a

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Speaker 1: famous or infamous, perhaps tomato based food fight that happens

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Speaker 1: every Augustine, Spain. Uh, We're we're vaguely plotting an episode

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Speaker 1: about food fights for some time in the future, so

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Speaker 1: we will have to include that one there. And also

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Speaker 1: regarding tomatoes, Heather on Instagram wrote in Okay, the tomato worms.

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Speaker 1: I've seen ones like five inches and they are awful.

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Speaker 1: Most people don't get them because they spray their plants

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Speaker 1: with pesticides, but it's the caterpillar stage of a certain moth,

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Speaker 1: and the eggs are almost invisible. I've had some. I'd

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Speaker 1: bite me, no kidding. I stopped growing tomatoes because of

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Speaker 1: those awful creatures. They can also strip your whole plant

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Speaker 1: in a matter of a few days. So they're no joke,

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Speaker 1: apparently not. I don't want to encounter one of these.

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Speaker 1: I said it before, we all say it again. I'm glad.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad. I haven't. Yes, I feel lucky, and we

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Speaker 1: are lucky to get such wonderful letters and comments from listeners. Yes. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: if you would like to send us something lovely, you can.

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Speaker 1: We have an email. It is food Stuff at how

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Speaker 1: stuff works dot com. We're also on social media on

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Speaker 1: Facebook and Twitter at food Stuff hs W stands for

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Speaker 1: house Stuff Works, and on Instagram at food Stuff. Thanks

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Speaker 1: also to our audio engineer, Tristan McNeil. And as Annie said,

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Speaker 1: we're we're turning into a pumpkin over here. So that's

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Speaker 1: literally all I wrote is we're turning into a pumpkin.

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Speaker 1: Joke for that, you guys, couldn't You guys couldn't write

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Speaker 1: that for yourselves? Sure? Yeah, and we hope that lots

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Speaker 1: more good things are coming your way,