1 00:00:01,600 --> 00:00:06,320 Speaker 1: Now from our nation's capital. This is Bloomberg Sound On. 2 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:11,080 Speaker 1: When we think about President by not unlike the stock market, 3 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 1: his stock is down. So much of the first year 4 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:16,280 Speaker 1: was about COVID in the economy of the second year 5 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 1: will have to touch on some foreign policy Bloomberg Sound 6 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:24,120 Speaker 1: On Politics, policy and perspective from DC's top names. We're 7 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 1: coming quickly to a crunch point where we're gonna know 8 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 1: either way what Russia attentions are paid a roadblock in 9 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:32,159 Speaker 1: the Senate. I think we're ready to get out of 10 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:36,920 Speaker 1: this vortex and beat them. Legislation happen. Bloomberg Sound On 11 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 1: with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. There's no such thing 12 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:45,960 Speaker 1: as a quiet day around here, not anymore. Just imagine 13 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 1: what you would miss without the fastest hour in politics. Today, 14 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 1: President Biden makes it real confirming the retirement of Supreme 15 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 1: Court Justice Stephen Bryer. So here we go, the President 16 00:00:56,920 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 1: pledging to make good on his campaign promise when he 17 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 1: picks a nominee. Will talk about the shortlist and the 18 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 1: legacy of Justice Bryer with the top Supreme Court reporter 19 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:09,039 Speaker 1: in the country, Bloomberg Own Greg Store. Later our conversation 20 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 1: with former Ambassador Daniel Freed as we turned to geopolitics 21 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 1: this hour. President Biden on the phone today with the 22 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 1: President of Ukraine, will have the latest on the standoff. 23 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 1: Our panel. Bloomberg Politics contributor Jeanie Chanzano along with Republican 24 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:24,959 Speaker 1: strategist great A joints with us. The President called it 25 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 1: a bittersweet moment today when he walked into the Roosevelt 26 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 1: Room at the White House, walked in alongside Supreme Court 27 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:33,479 Speaker 1: Justice Stephen Bryer. You heard it all live on Bloomberg. 28 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 1: Of course, as the President confirmed today, confirmed the news 29 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:39,959 Speaker 1: of Briar's retirement that we were talking about yesterday, and 30 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 1: everybody was speaking in hypotheticals in the West Wing. A 31 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 1: lot different today as they both appeared before cameras and 32 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 1: addressed the nation. The President went on to say that 33 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 1: he will make good as well on his campaign pledge 34 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 1: about the court. Here's President Biden. Our process is going 35 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 1: to be rigorous. I will select the nominee worthy injustice, 36 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 1: his legacy of excellence and decency. Well, I've been studying 37 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 1: candidate's backgrounds and writings. I've made no decision except one 38 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:12,640 Speaker 1: person I will nominate. Will be some of the extraordinary 39 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:18,360 Speaker 1: qualifications character, experience, and integrity, and that person will be 40 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:21,520 Speaker 1: the first black woman ever nominated to the United States 41 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:26,239 Speaker 1: Supreme Court. It's long overdoing myne. I made that commitment 42 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 1: during the campaign for president, and I will keep that. 43 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 1: That is where we begin with Bloomberg Supreme Court Reporter, 44 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 1: Greg Store. It's great to have you, Greg. I've been 45 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 1: looking forward to talking this through with you. As you 46 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:41,520 Speaker 1: write in your peace about Briar's exit strategy and some 47 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 1: of the names that we're hearing about here that his 48 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:46,800 Speaker 1: timing extends. I like the way you put this what 49 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 1: has become known as accepted practice. The last six justices 50 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 1: to retire did so with the president all but certain 51 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 1: to nominate a largely like minded successor. That's the case 52 00:02:56,960 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 1: again this time, right, It's still gonna be a six 53 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 1: three court, But this press is taking his search in 54 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 1: a very different direction. He's looking for diversity not only 55 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 1: in background, but but also in opinion. Breck, Yeah, that's right. 56 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 1: He has as as you heard, we heard said he's 57 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 1: going to nominate the first black woman to the Supreme Court. 58 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:18,239 Speaker 1: But he also you know, hail Justice Brian and said, 59 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 1: you want somebody who will continue his tradition. Um. Justice 60 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 1: Brier was very much a consensus builder on the court. 61 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:27,800 Speaker 1: He was a pragmatist. He was a kind of justice 62 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 1: who was a liberal in the divisive cases, but was 63 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 1: willing to try to work with the conservative majority to 64 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 1: see if he could get them to soften their opinion 65 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 1: in a way that he might be able to join it. Um. 66 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 1: It remains to be seen whether his successor will be 67 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 1: that kind of consensus builder as well, or will be 68 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 1: a little more like say Nisoda Mayor, who was more 69 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 1: inclined just to say, I think what the majority is 70 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 1: doing wrong, and I'm not willing to agree even to 71 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 1: a part of that. So we're going to have a 72 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 1: nominee by the end of February. Right, that's the plan here. 73 00:03:57,040 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 1: I don't know how close to that timing the president. 74 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 1: I think he said he intends to. Where's the language 75 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 1: he used, by the end of February. Does this timeline 76 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 1: make sense to you, Chuck Schumer's talking about thirty days, 77 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 1: we're gonna get this done like they did, Amy Coney 78 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 1: Barrett or is that unrealistic? Well, if Democrats are are 79 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 1: committed to doing that, it does make some sense. Certainly 80 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:23,160 Speaker 1: a precedent was set with with Amy Cody Barrett. Excuse me, um, 81 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 1: back before the election. Um, you know, doing that has 82 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:31,360 Speaker 1: the benefit of the nominees not hanging out there as 83 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:35,040 Speaker 1: long so that opponents can take shots at her, dig 84 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:38,280 Speaker 1: up additional dirt that might be used against her in 85 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 1: the confirmation process. Um. You know, it would mean an 86 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:46,559 Speaker 1: unusual situation that we haven't had in quite some time, 87 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 1: where the new justice is confirmed but doesn't actually take 88 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 1: her seat until probably July when the Supreme Court term ends. 89 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 1: But there's no reason democrats. Democrats can't do that if 90 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:01,479 Speaker 1: they're have their mindset to it. That is, of course 91 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 1: the narrative that we're hearing from Democrats. We spoke earlier 92 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 1: today with the Senator Marsha Blackburn, Republican on the Judiciary. 93 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:11,559 Speaker 1: It's already talking about timing with this being uh close 94 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 1: to an election and a president who has very low 95 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:18,239 Speaker 1: approval numbers, reminding all of us that Amy Coney Barrett 96 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 1: was confirmed the week before a presidential election, right, and 97 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:24,839 Speaker 1: this of course is a mid term election. Yeah, so 98 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:26,920 Speaker 1: is that a factor? Now? Are we just hearing bluster 99 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 1: at the beginning year? Well, certainly, you know, bluster from Republicans. 100 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 1: It it is something that can point to and surely 101 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 1: Joe Biden's approval ratings are not good. Um. That being said, Uh, 102 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 1: Democrats do have control of the Senate right now because 103 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 1: of Kamala Harris's tiebreaking vote. Uh. And so they don't 104 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 1: need any any Republican support to get this nominee through 105 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:51,360 Speaker 1: and confirmed. Do you like the names that we're hearing 106 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 1: on the shortlist so far? You've got a new piece 107 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 1: out on this as a matter of fact, on the 108 00:05:56,320 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 1: terminal and the leading contenders for this non nation. Yeah. 109 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:04,599 Speaker 1: So the name that is is certainly at the forefront 110 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 1: is Katangi Brown Jackson. She is a judge who was 111 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 1: was nominated by Biden and confirmed by the Science to 112 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 1: serve on the d C Circuit here in Washington. We've 113 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 1: talked about her quite a bit over the last I 114 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:18,599 Speaker 1: guess twenty four hours here, Greg, Can we keep hearing 115 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 1: that three Republicans, including Lindsay Graham, voted for her. Would 116 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 1: that happen again in this case? Not as necessarily. Lindsay 117 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:28,479 Speaker 1: Graham has certainly left himself open to vote differently on 118 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 1: her nomination if it is to the Supreme Court. UM, 119 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 1: wouldn't totally rule it out because somebody like Graham and 120 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 1: and there's also Susan Collins and Lisa Murkowski. Uh, do 121 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 1: see themselves as somebody who who liked to defer to 122 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 1: the president on nominations if they can, So there's at 123 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:48,159 Speaker 1: least a possibility. And of course, don't forget the political 124 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 1: dynamic of uh, the political cost if you are voting 125 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:57,479 Speaker 1: against the first female, black female dominy in the Supreme Court. 126 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:00,080 Speaker 1: You remember a day when you know senators would and 127 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 1: even meet with Merrick Garland. Uh, We're not going to 128 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:05,839 Speaker 1: see that this time around. Right, everyone gets a fair shake, 129 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:08,160 Speaker 1: gets to sit down with members of the committee, and 130 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 1: then the larger body every reason to think we we will. 131 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 1: Certainly there won't be the kind of blockade where Republicans 132 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 1: simply say we're going to pretend like this nomination doesn't exist. Yeah, 133 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 1: we've heard names like Krueger, We've heard Child's. Uh does 134 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 1: anyone come close to Brown Jackson as a front runner? Well, 135 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 1: Leander Krueger, I would not rule her out by any means. 136 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 1: She is somebody who has excellent credentials herself. She is 137 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 1: also a former Supreme Court law clerk, she has argued 138 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 1: many times at the Supreme Court while working in the 139 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 1: Solicitor General's office. Uh. She's somebody who, by the administration, 140 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 1: wanted to come back to Washington to be in the 141 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 1: administration as Solicitor General, but she chose to remain on 142 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 1: the California Supreme Court. She's generally perceived as a bit 143 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 1: more of a moderate, uh, more of an incremental. That's 144 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 1: a very cautious jurist on the California Supreme Court. And 145 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 1: then you know, wouldn't totally rule up Michelle Child's either. 146 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 1: She's also been nominated to the DC Circuit as a 147 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 1: support of Jim Congressman Clyburne. How important is that to 148 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 1: to make good on Congressman Clive Burne and the the 149 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 1: heavy lifting he did for Joe Biden on the campaign trail. 150 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 1: It's probably overstated to say that Joe Biden needs to 151 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 1: repay him. Uh. Certainly it means that he will give her, 152 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 1: uh you know, consideration, uh, you know, respectful consideration. Um. 153 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:32,960 Speaker 1: But one of the advantages that somebody like Ai Brown 154 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:35,199 Speaker 1: Jackson has is that she has been through that Senate 155 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 1: confirmation process before. Yes, it was for an appeals court, 156 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 1: but she is a little more of a known commodity 157 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 1: in terms of getting confirmed, and she's somebody who who 158 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 1: President Biden met with when she was nominated to that position. 159 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 1: I want to hear a little bit from the Justice 160 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:54,080 Speaker 1: Justice Bryer, who spoke today in this event. It's you know, look, 161 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:56,199 Speaker 1: I know this is your beat, Greg, but for most 162 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 1: of us, we don't usually see and hear justices speaking live, 163 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 1: certainly not live on television in a in a sort 164 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 1: of informal uh moment, like he's leaning on the podium, 165 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 1: he's talking about his grandkids, he's pulling his Constitution out 166 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 1: of his pocket. If we can jump ahead to Supreme 167 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 1: Court Justice Brier from earlier today, here he is my 168 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:22,320 Speaker 1: grandchildren and their children. They'll determine whether the experiment still works. 169 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 1: And of course I'm an optimist, and I'm pretty sure 170 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 1: it will. Does it surprise you that that's the thought 171 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 1: that comes into my mind today? Does it surprise you, Greg, 172 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 1: for an eight three year old, having experienced what he 173 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:40,320 Speaker 1: has to have that optimistic tone. Well, it's just always 174 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 1: been the Stephen Briar that that that I've been been 175 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 1: able to watch on on the bench. He is indeed 176 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:50,559 Speaker 1: an optimist. Um. He uh, you know, believes in the court, 177 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:54,200 Speaker 1: this system. Uh, he's been been believing that even in 178 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:58,200 Speaker 1: spite of the you know, the divisiveness we've all experienced 179 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:02,840 Speaker 1: over the past few years. Uh. You know, he can 180 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 1: you know, be very disappointed in dissent, but he never 181 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 1: loses his respect for the institution and the court. Well, 182 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:11,559 Speaker 1: that's for sure. I mean to be talking about the 183 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 1: American experience or experiment rather in in a in a 184 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 1: time like this, in a time of division, is really 185 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:22,440 Speaker 1: something he seems to believe in this despite what we're 186 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:24,839 Speaker 1: seeing around us. He seemed to have a message of 187 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 1: tuning things out. What does he want his legacy to 188 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:33,960 Speaker 1: look like. Well, that that optimism is certainly part of it. 189 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 1: The belief that the Supreme Court in this country will 190 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 1: continue to endure because people will respect to the decisions 191 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 1: of the court even if they disagree with them. That 192 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 1: is central to to uh, you know, what he believes. 193 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:53,320 Speaker 1: And uh, certainly he will want that to be part 194 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 1: of it. And then in terms of just his the 195 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:58,440 Speaker 1: way he approached the law, he is very much a 196 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 1: believer that the law should, um should be a workable 197 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 1: fact that when judges are interpreting statutes that they try 198 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 1: to think hard about what Congress was trying to get 199 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 1: at and what the consequences will be. That's a little 200 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:12,679 Speaker 1: bit out of style, that form of judging. It's a 201 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 1: little bit more of a haye, just look at the 202 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 1: text of the statute. Uh. And so that part of 203 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 1: Justice Briar's legacy, uh, you know, may have to wait 204 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:24,080 Speaker 1: to be revived in some some future point in the 205 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:27,560 Speaker 1: American the American story. Well, I guess it's uh, it's 206 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:31,200 Speaker 1: no wonder. Uh. I'll point you to Greg's pieces on 207 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:34,319 Speaker 1: the terminal, not just the shortlist, but also Biden's first 208 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:39,200 Speaker 1: Supreme Court selection with Greg Store. Thanks for being with us, 209 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 1: Gregg on Bloomberg. Sound on, we'll assemble the panel next. 210 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:45,959 Speaker 1: Genie Schanzano with us today along with Gretta Joints Republican strategists. 211 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:48,440 Speaker 1: They'll be here next to hash this out. I'm Joe Matthew. 212 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:57,520 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg. This is Bloomberg. So on with Joe 213 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:03,200 Speaker 1: Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. President Biden says he will nominate 214 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:06,679 Speaker 1: the first black woman to the Supreme Court, as promised 215 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 1: on the campaign trail. But do you know that would 216 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 1: also mean only the third black justice ever and only 217 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:18,960 Speaker 1: the sixth woman in the Court's history. It's kind of 218 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 1: amazing when you think about that. In two, let's assemble 219 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:25,079 Speaker 1: the panel with Bloomberg Politics contributor Jeannie Schanzano back with us. 220 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:28,560 Speaker 1: Can't do a program without Genie Greta joins is with 221 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 1: us today as well, Republican strategist coach here of Brownstein 222 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 1: Hyatt Farber, Shreks Tech and Telecom practice. It's great to 223 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 1: have both of you here, Genie. As we look through 224 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:43,199 Speaker 1: the short list, it's interesting to consider the president here 225 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 1: and his words today. Why not just tell the American 226 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:50,479 Speaker 1: people that you are going to pick the most qualified 227 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:53,079 Speaker 1: person and then prove through your actions that you're making 228 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:56,599 Speaker 1: good on your promise. Why did he have to articulate 229 00:12:56,640 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 1: that the way he did, You know? I think because 230 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 1: in the last twenty for forty eight hours, since we 231 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 1: got an inkling that this was coming today, there had 232 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 1: been so many questions as to whether he was going 233 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:09,559 Speaker 1: to be faithful to his promise from last year, and 234 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:12,480 Speaker 1: Jen's hockey was asked yesterday, and so I think he 235 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:15,440 Speaker 1: wanted to reiterate today that he absolutely was and of 236 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 1: course there's political reasons to do that as well. This 237 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:22,200 Speaker 1: is critically important to the Democratic base, and it is 238 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:26,960 Speaker 1: something that the administration feels will get Democrats animated and energized, 239 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 1: particularly now when they've had sort of a bad couple 240 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:32,720 Speaker 1: weeks in terms of some of the news out there 241 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:35,200 Speaker 1: and his poll numbers are down. This was a very 242 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 1: positive indication for Democrats. They were excited yesterday when they 243 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 1: heard this, so they wanted to make this case that 244 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:44,080 Speaker 1: they were he was going to be faithful to that promise. 245 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:47,080 Speaker 1: And of course, to your point, it is important on 246 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 1: sixteen nominations or or confirmed Supreme Court justices in history, 247 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 1: never have we had an African American women woman, despite 248 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 1: the talent out there, Gretta, what will be what should 249 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 1: be Republicans posture for here in dealing with this? Obviously 250 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 1: the numbers are stacked against them. I mean, I think 251 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:08,720 Speaker 1: Republicans are looking at this is something they're not going 252 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 1: to make too much hay over, you know, depending on 253 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 1: who the nominee is, of course, but ultimately you're replacing 254 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 1: a liberal justice with likely another liberal justice. I don't 255 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 1: think there's a ton of political upside for Republicans to 256 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 1: engage very aggressively on what will ultimately be a historic 257 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 1: pick by by President Biden. Is their political upside to 258 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 1: slow things down, maybe poke some holes in this nomination. 259 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 1: I think that highlighting the nominees potential issues that you know, 260 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 1: could be viewed as overly liberal could be positive for Republicans, 261 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 1: especially as they target um swing state Democrats that are 262 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 1: up for re election. But you know, there there are 263 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 1: some solid candidates out there that have gotten Republican votes 264 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 1: on their confirmations. I think of doesn't Biden picks one 265 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 1: of those individuals that it will be hard for Republicans 266 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 1: to engage very aggressively on that type of a confirmation process. 267 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 1: Pretty fascinating, Jennie. We've heard just as Brier described repeatedly 268 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 1: over the past twenty four hours as a consensus builder, 269 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 1: as a pragmatist. Gregg's Store used both of those words 270 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 1: to describe him. How much will this pick, whomever it 271 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 1: might be? The President says, he's already running, running through 272 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 1: bios and opinions. How much does that need to be 273 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 1: trans We need another pragmatist, another consensus builder, or are 274 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 1: we kind of beyond that now? Well? I think it's 275 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 1: fascinating because, as Greg was just saying, Leander Krueger, who's 276 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 1: sort of the second name mentioned, both often out of California. 277 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 1: She is a much more cautious, moderate, sort of pragmatist 278 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 1: of the three that we're hearing about. But of course, 279 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 1: Jackson Brown not only got through confirmation, but she clerked 280 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 1: for Briar, and that is critically important. We can't forget 281 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 1: that was one of the reasons that Nity felt a 282 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 1: little more comfortable retiring because Kavanaugh had clerked for him, 283 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 1: He liked him, he knew him, So that's also critically important. 284 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 1: One thing I want to point out is we often 285 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 1: describe Justice Brier as a liberal, but we need to 286 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 1: look at some of the day to here Epstein and 287 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 1: Martin and the Queen study all show while he was 288 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 1: a liberal, he was a bit more conservative than the 289 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:24,960 Speaker 1: than the people he served with, namely Ginsburg, so to 290 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 1: Mayor and Kagan. So the whoever is appointed could move 291 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 1: his seat not the court, but is see a little 292 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 1: bit more to the left depending on for progressives right 293 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 1: that we're actually talking center left here, really when it 294 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 1: when it comes to Justice Brier, how does that hit 295 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 1: you though? Gretta knowing as we've we've said a number 296 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 1: of times that that Catanji Brown Jackson has already gone through, 297 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 1: it already been vetted, got the got three Republican votes, 298 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 1: including Lindsay Graham. Does that give her a leg up? 299 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 1: I mean, I think it does to some extent. Of course, 300 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 1: everything will be re examined and looked at, because the 301 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 1: Supreme Court is obviously a very different role, and it's 302 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 1: a different position, and it requires a lot more scrutiny 303 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 1: on the part of the committee. But ultimately, I think 304 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 1: that you know, the president wants to certainly pivot to 305 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 1: someone that that he can go back to people who 306 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:22,200 Speaker 1: supported him in the election and say that I have 307 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:26,160 Speaker 1: delivered on a promise. And whomever that individual is will 308 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 1: certainly face scrutiny. But I think that Republicans will, um, 309 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:34,200 Speaker 1: you know, be a little nerdier in their in their 310 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 1: reviews of legal precedent as opposed to, you know, trying 311 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:41,920 Speaker 1: to set the nomination in a direction that will ultimately 312 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 1: be very damaging to that individual. Genie, we only have 313 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 1: a minute. Is this the end of an era? Are 314 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:49,479 Speaker 1: we making too much in that direction? It is an 315 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:51,360 Speaker 1: end of an era in many ways, I mean, one 316 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:55,119 Speaker 1: example is Brier was confirmed with Biden leading the Senate 317 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:59,880 Speaker 1: Judiciary Committee with almost nine d votes. Whoever is nominated 318 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:04,040 Speaker 1: and if they are confirmed, regardless of you know, putting aside, 319 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:06,680 Speaker 1: if there are any issues that arise, it is probably 320 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 1: going to be much more of a party line vote, 321 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 1: not because of anything they've done or said, but because 322 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 1: of how polarized the Senate is. So it is a 323 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 1: big change in terms of these confirmation hearings. If nothing else, 324 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 1: Jennie is killing this story. It's great to have your insights. 325 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:24,119 Speaker 1: Jeannie Schanzano Gretta joins our panel for today. They'll be 326 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:27,800 Speaker 1: back as we turn to geo politics Russia Ukraine. In 327 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:31,439 Speaker 1: a conversation with former Ambassador Daniel Freed, I'm Joe Matthew. 328 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg Bloomberg News reporting President Biden got on 329 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 1: the horn today with the President of Ukraine. Well, they 330 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 1: do have some things to talk about. Not that we 331 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:45,440 Speaker 1: should read too far into this conversation. According to White 332 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 1: House Press Secretary jen Saki, here she is, well, I 333 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:51,359 Speaker 1: would view this call as part of regular engagement with 334 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:53,720 Speaker 1: the Ukrainian and government. With the Ukrainian government, this will 335 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 1: be the third time. The President and UH and President 336 00:18:57,520 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 1: Lenski have spoken in just the last few weeks since December. UH. 337 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:04,160 Speaker 1: They'll discuss the latest diplomatic and deterrence efforts with Russia. 338 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:07,159 Speaker 1: The President will reaffirm the United States commitment to supporting 339 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:10,680 Speaker 1: Ukraine's sovereignty and territorial integrity, and our commitment to nothing 340 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:13,200 Speaker 1: about Ukraine without Ukraine. But this is more of a 341 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:15,400 Speaker 1: check in call than it is a call where there 342 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 1: is a specific announcement being delivered. Check in. Not to 343 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 1: be confused with the popping. I'm not a fan of 344 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:24,359 Speaker 1: the popping, but that's not all that's going on here. 345 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 1: The outreach continues with our European allies, as we now 346 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:31,439 Speaker 1: understand as well. President Biden will host German Chancellor all 347 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 1: of Schultz next months to discuss this whole situation amid 348 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:37,720 Speaker 1: questions over Germany's resolved to stand firm against Russia, and 349 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:39,360 Speaker 1: there are a lot of questions about that right now, 350 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:42,720 Speaker 1: a lot of vested economic interests, and so we turned 351 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 1: a former ambassador Daniel Freed for Wisdom Wiser Family Distinguished 352 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:49,359 Speaker 1: Fellow at the Atlantic Council. This is someone who understands 353 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:51,920 Speaker 1: that part of the world former National Security Council Senior 354 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 1: Director and former ambassador to Poland, former Assistant Secretary of 355 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:59,160 Speaker 1: State for Europe Ambassador id keep going. If this business 356 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:01,199 Speaker 1: card allowed me, welcome, It's great to have you. And 357 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 1: I wonder how concerned you are about our European allies 358 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 1: at this stage, with vested financial interests in their relationship 359 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:15,640 Speaker 1: with Russia. Is Germany your biggest concern? I'm not as 360 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:21,919 Speaker 1: skeptical about where Germany is going to be if Putin 361 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 1: attacks Ukraine again and we get into a major confrontation. 362 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:30,160 Speaker 1: I think, Look, the new German government has been all 363 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:33,680 Speaker 1: over the map. They've been contradicting each other on an 364 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 1: almost daily basis, and they were last week. I mean, 365 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:39,920 Speaker 1: they were almost as bad as an American administration when 366 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 1: it's divided right, different voices, different lines. But the German 367 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:50,199 Speaker 1: government has slowly, inconsistently, in a kind of a crab 368 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:55,159 Speaker 1: like fashion, been moving in the right direction. The Foreign 369 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 1: Minister is of the Green Party, takes a very tough 370 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 1: position against US autocracy and it's f us against Ukraine. 371 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:09,679 Speaker 1: The Social Democrats, who have traditionally been similar between naive 372 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 1: and fatuous about the Russians in many cases you know, dialogue. 373 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:18,120 Speaker 1: Even in the face of Russian attacks on its neighbors, 374 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 1: they are beginning to take to have second thoughts about 375 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:27,360 Speaker 1: the wisdom of coddling Putin. How long could this standoff 376 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 1: go on for? We understand that they'll be talks again 377 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 1: between Russian and Ukraine with some European shr in two 378 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 1: weeks time. How long can Vladimir Putin keep a hundred 379 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:44,760 Speaker 1: thousand troops on the border without this becoming something much worse? Well, 380 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 1: that's the question. Putin, however, knows that a full scale 381 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 1: war against Ukraine is a big roll of the dice. 382 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:58,199 Speaker 1: The Ukrainians will fight, the Americans will send troops to 383 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 1: NATO's eastern flying countries, and we will increase our military 384 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:06,480 Speaker 1: assistance for Ukraine. The sanctions that are being prepared, in 385 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 1: fact I think are prepared, are going to hit the 386 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 1: Russian economy very hard. If Putin moves in, I think 387 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 1: he knows this. The Biden administration had a slow start, 388 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 1: but it has done a credible job pulling together the allies, 389 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:23,479 Speaker 1: and as I said, I'm more optimistic about where Germany 390 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:25,080 Speaker 1: is going to be in the ends of the sun. 391 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 1: It's impossible to have sanctions that actually hurt Russia without 392 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 1: also hurting Europe. Ah, there is no such thing as 393 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:40,960 Speaker 1: risk free and cost free sanctions. It'll hurt a lot 394 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:46,360 Speaker 1: of companies, including American ones, but our risk tolerance has 395 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:48,920 Speaker 1: to rise in the face of an actual land war 396 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:52,680 Speaker 1: in Europe. And I think that the sanctions being prepared 397 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:55,880 Speaker 1: are ones that the Europeans have signed onto. If Russia 398 00:22:55,920 --> 00:23:00,960 Speaker 1: attacks there, these are going to be comple catered to implement, 399 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:04,119 Speaker 1: but they could hit Russia very hard. I think the 400 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:10,159 Speaker 1: Biden administration has lead this process. I have I have 401 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:12,600 Speaker 1: a pretty good guess as to what what's in the 402 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 1: sanctions package. Yet it'll hurt the Russians. And I'll tell 403 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 1: you something else. Back when I was doing sanctions after 404 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:23,680 Speaker 1: Putin's first attack on Ukraine, I had East European countries 405 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 1: who said, our economies have been hurt by these sanctions, 406 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:29,719 Speaker 1: but we want them, we support them because we know 407 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 1: what the alternative is, and it's wars. Ambassador, Why then, 408 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:36,719 Speaker 1: why not do something now? Why are we waiting for 409 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:38,960 Speaker 1: someone to cross the border or is that the way 410 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 1: you would have handled this? Oh, it's very much the 411 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:44,679 Speaker 1: way I would have handled it. If you sanction now 412 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:49,520 Speaker 1: Prutin will say, well, why shouldn't I move. I've already 413 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 1: been hit, so that triggers an invasion? Is the trick well, 414 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:59,440 Speaker 1: an invasion or some lesser form of Russian Russian aggression 415 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:03,199 Speaker 1: that's going to be a problem for the United States 416 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 1: and for Europe. President Biden got tripped up trying to 417 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:12,399 Speaker 1: describe the dilemma of a Western response to a Putin 418 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 1: to Putin aggression against Ukraine, which is less than a 419 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 1: full on invasion. That's a tough problem. But the administration 420 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:24,720 Speaker 1: has said any kind of military attack, new military attack 421 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 1: on Ukraine will trigger a response, and I think there's 422 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 1: a good argument for it. Ambassador, I'd love to have 423 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 1: more time with you. We could do an hour on this, 424 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:37,560 Speaker 1: and I appreciate your thoughts Today. Former Ambassador Daniel Freed, 425 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 1: former Ambassador to Poland, former Assistant Secretary of State for 426 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 1: Europe knows what he is talking about with sanctions and 427 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:48,160 Speaker 1: a fascinating bit of information there. Will turn it over 428 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:51,639 Speaker 1: to the panel next. Genie and Greta are with us 429 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 1: this hour. I'm Joe Matthew and this is Bloomberg. This 430 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 1: is Bloomberg Sound with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. It 431 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:09,199 Speaker 1: was refreshing I think to hear optimism from former Ambassador 432 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 1: Daniel Freed, if only about our allies in Europe regarding 433 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:14,960 Speaker 1: the standoff with Russia. But I'll tell you what, these 434 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 1: are not the kind of headlines you want to wake 435 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 1: up to. Pentagon sees more Russian troops near Ukraine. This 436 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:24,399 Speaker 1: on the terminal are Ukraine Update, and boy, this thing 437 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 1: is getting long. They're updating it throughout the day, and 438 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 1: it's really worth your time if you want to understand 439 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 1: what's going on there all in one spot. You don't 440 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 1: have to turn away from this page as I just 441 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:36,879 Speaker 1: keep on scrolling. The US has seen more accumulation, the 442 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:41,600 Speaker 1: words of John Kirby, the Pentagon Press Secretary, more accumulation 443 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:45,159 Speaker 1: of Russia combat forces near Russia's border with Ukraine and 444 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:48,159 Speaker 1: in Belarus over the past twenty four hours. The past 445 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 1: twenty four hours. As some people are suggesting that things 446 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:57,040 Speaker 1: might be cool and off, let's reassemble the panel. Bloomberg 447 00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,880 Speaker 1: Politics contributor Jeanie Schanzano with us today. We're also joined 448 00:25:59,920 --> 00:26:02,400 Speaker 1: by Republican strategist Gretit joints. Great to have you both. 449 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:05,840 Speaker 1: Jeanie what do you make of this? Obviously, Vladimir Putin 450 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:07,920 Speaker 1: is not backing down if he's going to keep showing off. 451 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,920 Speaker 1: Here we look at the satellites, you see more troops, 452 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 1: more tanks showing up in the midst of what some 453 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 1: were hoping would be a cooling off period before the 454 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 1: next round of talks. That's right, and we were talking yesterday. 455 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:21,879 Speaker 1: They left, you know, two weeks to come back to 456 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 1: the talks that they had yesterday. So we thought maybe 457 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 1: between that and the appending Olympics, where he wouldn't want 458 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,400 Speaker 1: to upstage President g we might have some breathing room 459 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:32,440 Speaker 1: to the twentie But then you just sort of hold 460 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,120 Speaker 1: your breath when you read you read what what's actually 461 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:38,680 Speaker 1: going on? And of course there was also the tone 462 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 1: from the Kremlin saying there's not much cause to be 463 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 1: optimistic that the Westwood meet Russia's demands. It's not clear 464 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 1: what they will do about that. They said, Vladimir Putin 465 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,919 Speaker 1: is taking some time to read the written responses um. 466 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 1: But again, we are a month since December twenty three, 467 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 1: over a month since he has spoken publicly Vladimir Putin 468 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 1: about what is going on and Ukraine and as we've discussed. 469 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,880 Speaker 1: Even people who work with him and for him don't 470 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:07,719 Speaker 1: know what he's thinking on this. So a lot of 471 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,200 Speaker 1: this is really just up to one man, and it's 472 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:13,000 Speaker 1: very unclear at this point what this military sort of 473 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:16,640 Speaker 1: escalation means. Kirby also said that we're going to speed 474 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 1: up delivery of some defensive weapons to Ukraine. But there 475 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 1: are there are folks on Capitol Hill and elsewhere in 476 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:25,359 Speaker 1: defense circles that think that we should be doing a 477 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:27,640 Speaker 1: lot more, that we should be sending patriot missiles, maybe 478 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,639 Speaker 1: an iron done type of system. The more that Vladimir 479 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 1: Putin adds to the border, should we be adding more 480 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:38,359 Speaker 1: within the borders of Ukraine. I I think that is 481 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:42,879 Speaker 1: something that especially Congressional members are focusing on, in particularly 482 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,800 Speaker 1: on the Armed Services committees. Right there's a really strong 483 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:50,160 Speaker 1: desire in particular among defense hawks to really fortify allies, 484 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 1: both the Ukraine and other countries surrounding them, because this 485 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 1: is a continuing action. Russia has been a adversary to 486 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,879 Speaker 1: many of the Baltic countries for a number of years. 487 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:06,200 Speaker 1: This isn't new to them and they've been asking Washington 488 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:07,919 Speaker 1: for help for a long time. Well, how else do 489 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,720 Speaker 1: you show your serious, genie. You know, I asked the 490 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:14,880 Speaker 1: ambassador about this, why not just add the sanctions now? 491 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,720 Speaker 1: I know Rick Davis, our colleague, is a fan of 492 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:21,440 Speaker 1: that view. Don't wait for anyone to cross the border. 493 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,639 Speaker 1: Hit him now, show him you're serious. The ambassador feels 494 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:27,960 Speaker 1: like that would prompt a situation that we don't want 495 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:29,960 Speaker 1: with Russia. That you know that you would, You'd get 496 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,720 Speaker 1: puttin off balance, you might do something stupid. In this case, 497 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 1: though you're acting within the bounds here of of the 498 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:40,280 Speaker 1: of Ukraine and could fortify them to deal with missile 499 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 1: attacks if if not some other systems that to Greta's point, 500 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:49,720 Speaker 1: members of Congress are calling for, what are we waiting for? Well, 501 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:51,760 Speaker 1: you know, I think there are two schools of thought, 502 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:53,760 Speaker 1: and the the one is sort of the Rick Davis school, 503 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 1: which is that you know, you hit him hard, you 504 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 1: hit him now. Um. But as you we just heard 505 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 1: from the ambassador, we've heard from many others, you know, 506 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:04,040 Speaker 1: there is also a downside to doing that. I was 507 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 1: just talking to somebody, and you hear this in foreign 508 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:09,480 Speaker 1: policy circles. People who say they're not quite certain that 509 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,360 Speaker 1: when Vladimir put put and put these hundred thousand troops 510 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:16,720 Speaker 1: on the border, that he wanted to enter troops into Ukraine, 511 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:21,840 Speaker 1: but that the United States NATO's response to that was 512 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:26,600 Speaker 1: unexpected and has escalated what otherwise may have been a 513 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,520 Speaker 1: what President Biden described as an incursion that was not 514 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,080 Speaker 1: as major as boots on the ground going into Ukraine. 515 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 1: So you know, you hit them with sanctions. Now, you 516 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,920 Speaker 1: don't leave yourself open to do something should they act. 517 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 1: And so I think there's arguments to be made on 518 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,320 Speaker 1: both side. You want to make clear that if he 519 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:46,959 Speaker 1: does what you don't want him to do, they're going 520 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,680 Speaker 1: to be hit hard. And what he doesn't want to happen, 521 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:53,080 Speaker 1: NATO right on his border is going to be stronger 522 00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:55,760 Speaker 1: than ever. But you take that away if you do 523 00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,200 Speaker 1: it before he acts. We should note, by the way, 524 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:01,280 Speaker 1: that NATO's Secretary General and Stoltenberg will speak with the 525 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:03,760 Speaker 1: Atlantic Council tomorrow. This is something that we're going to 526 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:08,640 Speaker 1: have years on talking about the alliance's response to Russia 527 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:13,520 Speaker 1: Ukraine tensions. Gretta, do you want to hear from an alliance? 528 00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:16,760 Speaker 1: Do you want to hear from NATO? A unified front, 529 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 1: as as the White House likes to say, or do 530 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,560 Speaker 1: you want to hear from the American President as the 531 00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 1: leader of this effort. I think you really have to 532 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 1: hear from both. Obviously, there were a lot of hurt 533 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,800 Speaker 1: feelings between NATO and the US, in particular after what 534 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:36,000 Speaker 1: happened in Afghanistan, and I think the President should be 535 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:39,960 Speaker 1: engaging aggressively with NATO in a way that ultimately he 536 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:44,560 Speaker 1: can echo their message as the United States message as well. Um. 537 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:47,640 Speaker 1: I think this is an opportunity for them to work 538 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 1: on repairing that relationship. And frankly, I'm I'm a little 539 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:55,240 Speaker 1: surprised that we haven't seen more of that message coming 540 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,680 Speaker 1: from the White House. How important is this meeting with 541 00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:00,880 Speaker 1: Schultz from Germany? Uh It's coming up next month Genie 542 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:04,040 Speaker 1: February seven, where they talk about joint diplomatic efforts to 543 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:08,160 Speaker 1: defuse tensions. Ambassador Freed says, the Germans are coming around, 544 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,840 Speaker 1: but this is something we have to manage. We do 545 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:14,200 Speaker 1: have to manage it. You know, It's very clear when 546 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,040 Speaker 1: you look at energy prices in Europe and in Germany 547 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:21,120 Speaker 1: up three this year, there is a fear that if 548 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,680 Speaker 1: they go along with some of these sanctions, they will 549 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:27,040 Speaker 1: be hit hard domestically. And the political reality will be 550 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:30,360 Speaker 1: too difficult for them to stomach, and so we have 551 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,960 Speaker 1: to make sure that Germany is with us. They have 552 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:36,640 Speaker 1: taken a what some people describe as a less than 553 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:40,360 Speaker 1: firm diplomatic stance so far against Russia, and we need 554 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:42,480 Speaker 1: to make sure they are with us. So this meeting 555 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,880 Speaker 1: is going to be critically important, and I I was 556 00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:48,000 Speaker 1: very hurting to hear that they're going to have it 557 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,520 Speaker 1: um and I think that it's going to be important 558 00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:52,920 Speaker 1: that they come out and show that that Germany and 559 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,160 Speaker 1: the United States and all of our NATO allies are 560 00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:59,840 Speaker 1: aligned with with our response to Russia. At how dangerous 561 00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:02,360 Speaker 1: it would be if they do indeed enter Ukraine. I 562 00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:05,640 Speaker 1: want to turn you both back to domestic policy here 563 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:09,120 Speaker 1: in our remaining moments, because Congress is coming back next week, 564 00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:10,960 Speaker 1: and Greta, I'd like to get your take on this 565 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:13,080 Speaker 1: since we have you here today. There are a lot 566 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,760 Speaker 1: of questions about what's left what's worth pursuing in the 567 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:19,920 Speaker 1: Biden legislative agenda, now that build back Better seems to 568 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,000 Speaker 1: have fallen apart, at least for now. But we've got 569 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,200 Speaker 1: an important date here on the horizon. February eighteenth, nobody's 570 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:27,440 Speaker 1: talking about it because everything else that's happening in the world. 571 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:30,520 Speaker 1: But that's when government funding runs out. Greta. How important 572 00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:33,080 Speaker 1: will it be for the President to keep this in 573 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:36,520 Speaker 1: motion and not have another continuing resolution, especially when it 574 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,520 Speaker 1: with regard to defense While we're dealing with this situation 575 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:43,120 Speaker 1: in Ukraine. The Pentagon is going to start likely complaining 576 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:47,080 Speaker 1: about this at some point with its impact on our readiness. 577 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:50,280 Speaker 1: But this is one of the plates the President has 578 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,800 Speaker 1: in the air right now. It's still spinning and and 579 00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,640 Speaker 1: and there's an omnibus budget that could actually make its 580 00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,560 Speaker 1: way through Congress. It would be the most productive thing 581 00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:03,520 Speaker 1: that happened this year to get it done. It's it's 582 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:05,920 Speaker 1: a heavy list. I'm not gonna lie. I mean, it's 583 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:09,240 Speaker 1: certainly it's feasible. I think that the most likely scenario 584 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:11,680 Speaker 1: we're looking at is probably at the very least a 585 00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:15,680 Speaker 1: short term cr um. Some of the conversations that need 586 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,440 Speaker 1: to have happened have not happened yet in returns to 587 00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,120 Speaker 1: getting an OMBI done, you know some of that, I think, 588 00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:24,200 Speaker 1: you know, it's problematic because you just don't have members 589 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:26,760 Speaker 1: in town and able to meet with the with each other. 590 00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:28,680 Speaker 1: Because of COVID. You know, a lot of these are 591 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,880 Speaker 1: member to member conversations when it comes to these bigger 592 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:35,680 Speaker 1: pieces of legislation and cutting deals, and COVID has really 593 00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:38,000 Speaker 1: hampered a lot of that. So we we have a 594 00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,480 Speaker 1: long ways to go. I think before we can, you know, 595 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,840 Speaker 1: send an omnibus potentially to the President. I think we're 596 00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:47,040 Speaker 1: looking at least one, maybe two short terms crs in 597 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,600 Speaker 1: order to what message does that send? You need to 598 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:54,240 Speaker 1: kick the can again? Uh, you know that Washington doesn't work. 599 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,720 Speaker 1: It's been a consistent message. We are twenty two days 600 00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:02,440 Speaker 1: away from February eighteen, and you know, we've we've also 601 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:06,960 Speaker 1: heard interestingly that as it pertains to this omnibus bill, 602 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,560 Speaker 1: that the House isn't even scheduled to be in session 603 00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,440 Speaker 1: during the week of February eighteenth, So they get back 604 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,440 Speaker 1: next week and they aren't scheduled to be there by 605 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:19,920 Speaker 1: February eighteenth and that week. Now that that probably will change, hopefully, 606 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,640 Speaker 1: but this is a very short timetable, so you know, 607 00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,560 Speaker 1: I do think we are looking at continuing resolutions. It's 608 00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:29,400 Speaker 1: a short term funding patch and that's you know, to 609 00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,319 Speaker 1: imagine we get something longer than that is difficult to 610 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:34,560 Speaker 1: imagine in the short time we have it. Then get 611 00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:37,880 Speaker 1: your child tax credit? Right. If that's the case, that 612 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:41,080 Speaker 1: would have been the vehicle to potentially attach something like 613 00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,840 Speaker 1: that onto Greta or did you already give up on that, 614 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,839 Speaker 1: you know, I am. I am not optimistic, I'll put 615 00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,200 Speaker 1: it that way. And I think there there are too 616 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,040 Speaker 1: many balls in the air. And in terms of what 617 00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:58,560 Speaker 1: exactly build back better looks like after this, what exactly 618 00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:02,120 Speaker 1: we're going to do with a child care child pack 619 00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:07,000 Speaker 1: care credit? And ultimately where where does Mansion and other 620 00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:10,200 Speaker 1: senators who have expressed them concerns about some of these 621 00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:13,280 Speaker 1: broader social issues, where do they want to be? And 622 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:16,200 Speaker 1: and that is is still TBD. And at the fifty 623 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:19,040 Speaker 1: six minute mark here on the fastest hour in politics, 624 00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:22,719 Speaker 1: we finally heard the name Joe Manchon Genie. I think 625 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,600 Speaker 1: that's as long as we've waited for a couple of months. 626 00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:30,720 Speaker 1: It's a record, Thank you, Gina, it's a record. Nicely done, Greta, 627 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,239 Speaker 1: and a great conversation with both of you, a great panel. 628 00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:38,560 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Politics contributor Jeanie Chanzano Republican strategist Bretta joins in 629 00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,719 Speaker 1: her first turn here on the fastest hour. It's great 630 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,480 Speaker 1: to have you, Bretta, co chair of the Brownstein Hyatt 631 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:48,279 Speaker 1: Farber Shrek Technology and Telecom Practice. 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