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Speaker 1: the Colts Official podcasts. May really miss this seasons hearing

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Speaker 1: all those highlights and hearing Mate's enthusiastic calls. I'm ready

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Speaker 1: Let's football. We got we got baseball opening day coming

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Speaker 1: up on Thursday, Lara, So we got wet White Sox

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Speaker 1: podcasts and let's get underway here. So, Lara, you have

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Speaker 1: that guy needs? To chill out? Can we Washington Cold time?

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Speaker 1: guys are in house wrestling expert Matthew Dominic to weigh

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Speaker 1: I never watched wrestling. I've never watching watched wrestling. You

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Speaker 1: ever seen do a spot on? If you talk funny,

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Speaker 1: I can do it. It doesn't matter how much I

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Speaker 1: watch you. There's no question about that now. I never

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Speaker 1: saw Star Wars, Star Trek or wrestling. I've never seen

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Speaker 1: Star Wars or Star Trek either. I'm with you one.

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Speaker 1: I've never seen Star Trek. I never was a big

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Speaker 1: wrestling guy. I watched some Star Wars I'm out a

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Speaker 1: big Star Wars guy. I guess that's maybe why we

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Speaker 1: all get along. Yeah. Absolutely, But Matt Pryor, so yeah,

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Speaker 1: back to uh, Matt Priory, that's the guy who would

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Speaker 1: be a good tag team part. It would be sixty

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Speaker 1: So anyway to a table back to he would absolutely

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Speaker 1: throw you through a table. Back to Chris Ballard on McAfee,

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Speaker 1: he said that Matt Pryor is going to get the

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Speaker 1: first crack at playing left tackle. So that doesn't mean

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Speaker 1: the Colts won't add anyone else at left tackle, right,

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Speaker 1: they could still draft someone, They could still go out

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Speaker 1: and sign someone. Um, I mean Fishers still have to

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Speaker 1: be floating around. Fisher's out there. Yeah, there are still

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Speaker 1: some you know, veterans out there who could potentially be

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Speaker 1: an option if you wanted to bring them in. But

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Speaker 1: Matt Pryor against the Raiders in Week seventeen, he played

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Speaker 1: really well, like really well, and he was matched up

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Speaker 1: that We're talking about a Raiders team that had Yuniken

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Speaker 1: Gockway and Max Crosby who were so maybe the most

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Speaker 1: one of the most effective defensive end combinations in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: Getting the quarterbacks last here and Matt Pryor played his

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Speaker 1: butt off in that game, and I think one game

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Speaker 1: doesn't always tell the whole story, right, But when you

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Speaker 1: think about prior, his size, his physicality, his work ethic,

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Speaker 1: those things all fit the way the Colts want their

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Speaker 1: offensive linemen to play, and there's some upside there. I

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Speaker 1: don't remember even like, you know, the first couple of

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Speaker 1: times that Matt Pryor got in there when he had

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Speaker 1: to start at right tackle with Bradon Smith out that

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Speaker 1: game against Baltimore. I remember specifically that was the first

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Speaker 1: game he started. It's like, shoot, this guy's pretty good.

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Speaker 1: He's playing really well out there, and you never really

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Speaker 1: thought about him in a way that was like, oh,

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Speaker 1: you know, Matt Pryor's out there like a backup wood

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Speaker 1: for a guy as good as Braden Smith. You're always

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Speaker 1: very comfortable with him. Then he slides over to left

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Speaker 1: tackle when Eric Fisher's dealing with his injuries late in

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Speaker 1: the season and plays really well. So yeah, just imagine

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Speaker 1: the consistency when he has time with Quentin Nelson and

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Speaker 1: Ryan Kelly other that rather than that rotation you saw

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Speaker 1: where you had Glow and Read playing over there at

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Speaker 1: certain points, you had Danny pinter coming in at center

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Speaker 1: another spot, So yeah, he was playing in all of

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Speaker 1: those different So capacity the one other name that I

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Speaker 1: thought of here, So you know, if you're thinking about, oh, okay,

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Speaker 1: the Colts are starting a guy is a former sixth

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Speaker 1: round pick who got traded in a pick swap around

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Speaker 1: cutdown day from the Eagles. But the Eagles have this guy,

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Speaker 1: Jordan Mailata, who didn't even like literally when you go

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Speaker 1: in his Pro Football Focus page, it says college, no college.

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Speaker 1: This guy's from Australia. I think he was a rugby player. Oh,

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Speaker 1: and he is. He was a seventh round pick a

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Speaker 1: couple of years ago. He's developed into one of the

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Speaker 1: best left tackles in the NFL. And those guys you

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Speaker 1: can find. You can sometimes find those guys if they

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Speaker 1: have the size and athleticism and are the right fit

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Speaker 1: in your offensive line room. You can sometimes find those guys,

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Speaker 1: not always in the first round, because there's always this

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Speaker 1: this thought that like, if you need to go get

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Speaker 1: a starting left tackle, you probably need to give him

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Speaker 1: in the first round. That's not a steadfast rule here.

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Speaker 1: And if the Colts do give Matt Prior an opportunity

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Speaker 1: to start, I'm not saying he's going to become one

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Speaker 1: of the best left tackles in the NFL like Jordan

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Speaker 1: mylat Is, But you can get a solid left tackle

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Speaker 1: that way. I mean, I saw the Bears do it

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Speaker 1: with Charles Leno Junior when I covered the them in Chicago.

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Speaker 1: He was a seventh round pick who developed into a reliable,

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Speaker 1: dependable starting left tackle. If you can develop those guys

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Speaker 1: and again fit them to a culture and a system,

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Speaker 1: sometimes it works. And I think there's upside with Matt

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Speaker 1: Pryor here, man, you don't may have missed the boat.

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Speaker 1: Then my husband, Dan Tucker rugby Blair, State champion rugby Flair.

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Speaker 1: Why isn't starting for the Colts. Does he have long arms?

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Speaker 1: He does? Okay range right, yeah, yeah, there's still time

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Speaker 1: to pivot and exactly Andrew Whitworth at the age of forty,

516
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Speaker 1: who played at the top of his game. Matt Pryor

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Speaker 1: backed up by Dan Tucker local pro day, fix them

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Speaker 1: the leaks in the bathroom and get him out here

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Speaker 1: on the field. That's right, exactly handy, Dan does it all.

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Speaker 1: Dan Tucker got never heard of him. Cross him off,

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Speaker 1: then I'll bring it out here. On April eleventh for

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Speaker 1: Local pro Day to work out with Michael McFadden and uh,

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Speaker 1: you know the local prospect guys. I would love to

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Speaker 1: see Dan Tucker block Michael McFadden coming in from from

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Speaker 1: Mike Blitz, George CARLOFTA. What you did about seventy five

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Speaker 1: times a game last year? Yeah, because they had nobody else.

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Speaker 1: That's what happens, right, any anyone we missed here? I

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Speaker 1: think you know, probably people folks listening to this or

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Speaker 1: probably like quitty pay, Quitty pay, Quitty pay. That's pretty obvious. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Like there are a lot of ways that you can go.

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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, there's a lot of different places I

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Speaker 1: think that you could you could point to. I mean

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Speaker 1: I think mo ALEI Cox is another where you could go.

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Speaker 1: Of course with the retirement, Yeah, Kyl Granson, Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: mean you just just just pick a spot. I mean,

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Speaker 1: let's just be honest. It's a big year for everybody

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Speaker 1: right out there, because you're talking about what you're five

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Speaker 1: with this group all together, I mean not this entire roster,

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Speaker 1: but yes, the core group being all together and take

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Speaker 1: your pick. You know, we heard Frank Reich talk about

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Speaker 1: it at the at the Combine. It's got to be

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Speaker 1: at least one, if not more, of the trio of

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Speaker 1: Mike Stron, Desmond Patman, Ashton doing They're absolutely counting on

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Speaker 1: at least one of those players being a legitimate threat

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Speaker 1: and weapon on the offensive side. Next, you're a wide receiver,

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Speaker 1: I think Campbell in there. I think OTAs in the

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Speaker 1: offseason workout program are so big for so many reasons.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Matt Ryan, the defensive staff, Gus Bradley, new

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Speaker 1: scheme on down the line. But it has to start

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Speaker 1: in May and June for somebody in that mix to

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Speaker 1: step up and and take some of the separate yourself

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Speaker 1: and emerge in the competition. But help a guy like

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Speaker 1: Michael Pittman Junior, because I think outside of Michael Pittman Junior,

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Speaker 1: and throw out t Y Hilton and throw out Zach

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Speaker 1: Pascal because those guys are not on the rock. Pascal's

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Speaker 1: in Philly and t Y still free agent as we

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Speaker 1: sit here and talk right now. Yeah, go figure Nick Sirianni.

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Speaker 1: But I think outside of Michael Pittman Junior, of the

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Speaker 1: wider receivers that are still on this team under contract.

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Speaker 1: You're talking about only twenty eight catches last season and

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Speaker 1: no better person to develop that group than the guy

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Speaker 1: you've got in the building right now, Richie. One of

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Speaker 1: the best wide receivers of all time. Yeah, it's pretty good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah work. Yeah. Anyways, we are going to get out

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Speaker 1: of here. I sat down with Kevin Clark again from

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Speaker 1: The Ringer at the NFL Owners meetings last week. Word

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Speaker 1: of warning, we kind of made light of it. We

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Speaker 1: did sit next to a fountain because we were outside.

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Speaker 1: It was very nice. There was this kind of like

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Speaker 1: bubbling fountain on the patios. So just let that kind

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Speaker 1: of soothe you as we get into this conversation with

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Speaker 1: Kevin Clark from The Ringer. Kevin Clark from The Ringer.

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Speaker 1: You can follow him on Twitter at by Kevin Clark.

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Speaker 1: He is an NFL writer, an Orlando Magic influencer, an

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Speaker 1: F one podcaster. What else am I missing? Oh? I know,

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Speaker 1: you got it. I didn't know I was one podcaster

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Speaker 1: until two weeks ago. Well you are. It's apparently a

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Speaker 1: very popular podcast you can listen to on the Ringer

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Speaker 1: podcast network. Yeah, they Ringer F one show again. It's

580
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Speaker 1: sometimes your life takes turns you're not expecting and uh

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Speaker 1: and hosting the RAF one Show is one of those,

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Speaker 1: which could be a racing car reference taking turns. You're not.

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Speaker 1: I guess you expect. I don't know. I don't watch

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Speaker 1: ant one to get into it, but maybe I will.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. We'll see, we'll see. There's a pot

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Speaker 1: as soon as you watch first race, there's a pot

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Speaker 1: I've got for you. Anyways, we've got some things to

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Speaker 1: talk about here. We are recording this podcast at the

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Speaker 1: NFL Owners meetings. So you hear a little fountain in

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Speaker 1: the background. It's very pleasant. It's very nice fountain. It's

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Speaker 1: a very nice fountain that it's like kind of an

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Speaker 1: evil guy who's spitting water out of his mouth, but

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Speaker 1: it's it's high arc Jake. It's very relaxing, I would say,

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Speaker 1: which is a good setting to talk about the NFL

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Speaker 1: off season, which has been anything but relaxing. So I

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Speaker 1: wanted to get Kevin on to talk about just the

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Speaker 1: the overall landscape of the NFL and how many just

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Speaker 1: earth shattering, tectonic plate moving moves there have been. What's

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Speaker 1: just been your overall impression of why there have been?

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Speaker 1: It's been just such a steady stream of Russell Wilson

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Speaker 1: to the Broncos you know the quarterback movement, Davante Adams

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Speaker 1: to the Raiders, Tyreek killed of the Dolphins. Why has

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Speaker 1: this offseason been been so kind of turned up when

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Speaker 1: it comes to those major moves around the NFL? Some

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Speaker 1: of its coincidence. I think there's a bunch of factors

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Speaker 1: at work that's interesting to make. Number One, cap is

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Speaker 1: rising again. We had two years of pandemic related caps

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Speaker 1: where I think that there were franchises that were worried about.

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Speaker 1: I would talk to gms all the time. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you could set your watch from twenty thirteen until twenty twenty.

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Speaker 1: I think by the cap is going to rise at

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Speaker 1: leaf ten million dollars a year, you knew what that

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Speaker 1: was going to look like. I think that the last

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Speaker 1: two years, every GM I talked to you said, we're

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Speaker 1: in close contact with the league off is trying to

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Speaker 1: figure this out, but we just don't know. We're just

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Speaker 1: guessing on the cap stuff. So now all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: we know it's going to start rising again. We know

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Speaker 1: what the TV deals look like and they're massive, and

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Speaker 1: I would also say that, so you get that kind

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Speaker 1: of certainty that the revenues are going to rise, and

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Speaker 1: then you marry that with the fact that there's just

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Speaker 1: a bunch of young gms now who are ready to

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Speaker 1: make aggressive moves. This is not you know, when I

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Speaker 1: started covering the league almost a decade ago, there are

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Speaker 1: a bunch of gms who are like sixty two. They

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Speaker 1: don't they didn't understand the cap. They didn't want to

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Speaker 1: make any big splashes. They just wanted to keep their job.

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Speaker 1: And I'm sure listening, I'm sure that there's there's there's

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Speaker 1: still our gms like that. But some of these guys

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Speaker 1: are just they're just gonna go for it. You know.

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Speaker 1: I remember when the brock Oswiler trade happened with Cleveland

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Speaker 1: and Houston, and I remember thinking, like, man, we might

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Speaker 1: see a future of really strengthening, almost MBA esque trades

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Speaker 1: because that was the first where it was like they

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Speaker 1: attached a pick to get rid of a contract. And

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Speaker 1: it's like, why can't the NBA, excuse me, why can't

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00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,719
Speaker 1: the NFL have that kind of off season chaos. Why

639
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 1: can't there be creative trades? And we're starting to see that,

640
00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 1: We're starting to see MBA style offseas And what's funny

641
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 1: is the NBA always had the off season entertainment crown,

642
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 1: and I think the NFL is stealing that. Ye, and

643
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 1: so now the NFL is can have the best regular

644
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 1: season and the best off season. So it's good interesting

645
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 1: to see it. Matt. I think that the buzz around

646
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 1: he here and no one knows for sure. I've been

647
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 1: talking to people and they basically been saying, you know

648
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 1: what happens in July. If as the next Stars contract

649
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: talks aren't going well and an owner just says, you

650
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 1: know what, I saw what they got for tire Hill.

651
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:32,719
Speaker 1: I saw what they got or whatever. How eager our

652
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 1: team is going to be to trade a guy away,

653
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 1: It's going to be interesting to see whether or not

654
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 1: this continues. I think a lot of people think, okay,

655
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 1: it's start a league year before the draft, is a

656
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 1: lot of activity. I wouldn't be so sure that this

657
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:47,719
Speaker 1: doesn't extend into training camp. The deadline could be more active.

658
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 1: Like we're seeing a crop of gms and decision makers

659
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 1: of owners who are aggressive. And I don't think that

660
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 1: this is this is unique to this month. I mean

661
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 1: you think about even just recently the Khalil Mack trade

662
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 1: that happened right around the late day, which everybody just

663
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 1: forgot about right. It was just like it's like the

664
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 1: fifteenth most important trade. It's cool, Matt, he's been traded again,

665
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 1: by the way, to the Chargers. But when you think

666
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 1: about them, the ripple effects of all this that, you know,

667
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 1: as it relates to us here in Indianapolis, the ripple

668
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 1: effects of the quarterback movement of the Deshaun Watson trade

669
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 1: then come to you know, Matt Ryan and the Falcons

670
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 1: deciding or right, it's time to move on, and then

671
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 1: Matt Ryan deciding I want to go to Indianapolis. But

672
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 1: you mentioned something about not being shy about dead cape.

673
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 1: So I believe Atlanta took on forty something million of

674
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 1: dead cap, which, by the way, like four years ago

675
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:40,360
Speaker 1: the record for deadcap was like eight million dollars, and

676
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 1: now it's like it was Antonio Brown. I think it

677
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 1: was around twenty or something. And now every offseason some

678
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:48,720
Speaker 1: teams like, yeah, thirty, forty fifty whatever. Why are teams

679
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 1: more willing to take on dead cap to move on

680
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:53,320
Speaker 1: from a player? Now? I mean they don't they realize

681
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:57,320
Speaker 1: that it doesn't matter in some cases that they'll the

682
00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 1: owner is fine with it. That the app is so

683
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 1: high that you can get away with it for one year.

684
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 1: I mean the Bills when they were rebuilding around Josh Allen,

685
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 1: they took the biggest dead cap charge in history as

686
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 1: a franchise because they wanted to bite the bullet for

687
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:16,880
Speaker 1: one season and just say we're gonna get rid of

688
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 1: this now and then we're gonna move on. The Falcons

689
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 1: are going to go through one year of a horrible roster.

690
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: Get a quarterback at some point, whether it's this year

691
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 1: next year. Maybe it's Bryce Young next year, and maybe

692
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 1: it's J's traut, maybe it's my guy Tyler Van Dyke

693
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:32,319
Speaker 1: down at the Um. But we'll see how that shakes out.

694
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 1: But the Big Three, as I call you, you. You

695
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 1: also scoled me last night for not knowing that Brad

696
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 1: Kyle was on the Colts for a little bit. So

697
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:43,280
Speaker 1: so the I know one thing, and it's Miami quarterbacks.

698
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 1: But I think that there's I think that there's just

699
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:51,319
Speaker 1: a different mentality when it comes down. And I also

700
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 1: think it's a cost of doing business. One thing I

701
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 1: didn't talk about my first answer JJ is that there's

702
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 1: a price on a superstar now. And I think that

703
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 1: you look at Colum Trade, I think went a long way.

704
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:04,879
Speaker 1: The first one in establishing this we knew, I think

705
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 1: for a long time we were in the NFL in general,

706
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 1: was like, what what do you pay for superstar? Okay?

707
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 1: And the answer started to be two first round picks um,

708
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,879
Speaker 1: Jamal Adams, two first round picks Jalen Ramsey, two first

709
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 1: shround picks um. And we didn't really have that before.

710
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:21,280
Speaker 1: We didn't know what that what that was. The Rams

711
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 1: went a long way and changing the expectation of that.

712
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 1: And so I think these teams like, you know what

713
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 1: we'll pay and this is not Matt Ryan is actually

714
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:31,760
Speaker 1: excluded from this, but we'll pay a bunch of deadcat

715
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 1: money if it gets this two first shround picks um.

716
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 1: They understand that. So I think there's there's a there's

717
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 1: a cost of doing business element with that, and front

718
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 1: office is just get it, listen, There's there's plenty of

719
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 1: money going around um in the NFL, and so I

720
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 1: think that the front offices are okay taking a hit.

721
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 1: The something that Chris Ballard told us this week here

722
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 1: at the NFL Owners meetings is it's not a coincidence

723
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 1: that through these you know, these last couple of years

724
00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 1: of quarterback movement. That the Colts were able to get

725
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 1: Philip Rivers, which is something that a couple years ago

726
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 1: almost felt like it was like faded complete. The Philip

727
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 1: Rivers is going to come to Indianapolis. And now this

728
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 1: year they're able to get Matt Ryan because they both

729
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,360
Speaker 1: wanted to come to Indianapolis. So even if the Colts

730
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 1: aren't going out and trading two first round picks or

731
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 1: you know, guaranteeing you know, hundreds of millions of dollars

732
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:23,800
Speaker 1: to these players, that the trickle down effect becomes, players

733
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 1: still want to come to Indianapolis. Is there something reinforcing

734
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 1: just with the Colts, but with other teams around the

735
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 1: NFL that have built good rosters and operate smartly that

736
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 1: it's not luck that the Colts got Matt Ryan, It's

737
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 1: not luck that they got Philip Rivers. It's because they

738
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 1: have constructed things through an intelligent smart way that then

739
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:50,320
Speaker 1: they are able to take advantage of some of these situations.

740
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:52,840
Speaker 1: And I think Matt Ryan wanted to come there speaks

741
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 1: volumes about how they're perceived around the league, and Philip Rivers,

742
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 1: as you said, he could have gotten a bunch of

743
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:01,840
Speaker 1: different places, and Indianapolis was the best situation with it

744
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 1: without a quarterback, when when he was ready to make

745
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 1: that move. So yeah, I think they do think smartly.

746
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 1: I think Chris Ballard's reputation on the league is good. Um.

747
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 1: Last year was was a disaster and it was funny

748
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 1: because I think that coaches try to take a mentality

749
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 1: of you know, one week can't define us or whatever,

750
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:20,720
Speaker 1: and I think that the Cults are a rare example

751
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:22,320
Speaker 1: of a team where one week could define you, just

752
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 1: because of what that meant and the ramplifications of it

753
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,840
Speaker 1: and just the you know, I haven't been in the

754
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 1: building in a long time in Indianapolis, but I could

755
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 1: imagine that weighed pretty heavily on a lot of people

756
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 1: for for weeks and maybe months, and maybe it's still going.

757
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 1: It's still I mean, I break an he said, you know,

758
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:40,840
Speaker 1: the emotion of it lasted a long time. Yeah, longer

759
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 1: than it usually would that. Yeah, I could, I can imagine, Yeah,

760
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 1: I can imagine um. And so I think that there's UM.

761
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:51,840
Speaker 1: I think that there with with the Colts, it's still

762
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 1: it's still thought of as a place that the guys

763
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 1: want to go to, and it still thought of as

764
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 1: a place where they can get up into thinking to

765
00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: think smartly. And it's interesting because you know Matt Ryan.

766
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 1: For the fact, you know he's a highly paid player.

767
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 1: You do have to give up drop capital for him,

768
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 1: but you got him and probably the most efficient way

769
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 1: you could. And I think Ballard's really good at figuring

770
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 1: out how to build a team in a way I

771
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:15,280
Speaker 1: think Matt Ryan knows, Okay, well, I have Chris Ballard.

772
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:16,760
Speaker 1: He's going to figure out how to get me weapons.

773
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 1: He's gonna We've already got one of the best running

774
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 1: backs in football. He's going to figure out if there's

775
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 1: a problem with a line, how to how to fix

776
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,319
Speaker 1: it quickly. So I think's a trust factor. I mean,

777
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 1: we've seen so many situations where a GM or a

778
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:34,800
Speaker 1: coach wastes a player, and he's seen in Indianapolis frankly

779
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 1: with a previous regime, and I don't think that. I

780
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 1: think when you go to Indie, there's a handful of

781
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 1: gms in this league, maybe ten, you know, are going

782
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 1: to put you in the best vision and around new talent.

783
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 1: And I think Chris Ballard and Indie are one of

784
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:51,400
Speaker 1: those teams right now. Along those lines with the offense

785
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 1: and the way that Frank Reich schemes things. I think

786
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 1: this is so interesting. Whenever you you think about Kyle Shanahan,

787
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 1: you know exactly what that scheme looks like. When you

788
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 1: when you think about Sean McVay, you know what that

789
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 1: scheme looks like. You can envision it in your head.

790
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 1: You know, you know what the Andy Reid, you know

791
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 1: kind of spread scheme can look like in your head.

792
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,320
Speaker 1: But with Frank Reich, every year has been so different.

793
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 1: You kind of when you think about frank Reich's offense,

794
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 1: you don't have like a specific play in mind. That's

795
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 1: like that is their bread and butter because he has

796
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 1: to morph it every year. When you talk with other

797
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 1: people around the league, you know, around these meetings, just

798
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 1: what do you hear about Frank Reich and the kind

799
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 1: of offensive coach that he is. So I first was

800
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:33,879
Speaker 1: around Frank Reich, probably like most people in the media,

801
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:37,400
Speaker 1: during the Eagles Super Bowl run in twenty seventeen and

802
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 1: their coaching job, and that's I'd include Doug Peterson in

803
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 1: this as well. Their coaching job to get those guys

804
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 1: ready in the Nick Foles regime was one of the

805
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 1: best coaching jobs I've ever seen. Essentially what they did

806
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 1: and this has been told at nauseum, but essentially what

807
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 1: they did was they during the bye weeek, which they

808
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 1: had clinched. I think the week that Carson Wentz went

809
00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 1: out with an ACL, they held a new training camp

810
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,280
Speaker 1: basically right, you know, they hit each other, they installed plays.

811
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 1: Doug and Frank got with Nick Foles and said we're

812
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 1: gonna you know, what do you like and the answer

813
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,320
Speaker 1: was more RPOs and then they figured it out. And

814
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 1: I think that when you go through something like that,

815
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 1: it's funny because I kind of always overrated the Eagles

816
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 1: after that because I think when you perform a miracle

817
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 1: like that, I'm gonna give you the benefit of the

818
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 1: doubt forever. And everybody associated with that, John Day, Philippo,

819
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 1: Frank Reich, Doug Peterson, like, I thought, that was such

820
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 1: an amazing example an adaptable coaching philosophy. You know, Belichick

821
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:38,400
Speaker 1: has been famous for twenty years at figuring out what

822
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 1: his team needs, and what Frank Reich and Doug Peterson

823
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:45,280
Speaker 1: did that that January and February with Philadelphia was so amazing.

824
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 1: It just shows you what kind of football minds that

825
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 1: those guys have and I've been husually impressed, and so

826
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 1: I agree with you. It's not no one's going to

827
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:55,359
Speaker 1: say this is the Frank Reich playbook, because he has

828
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 1: an adaptable football mind that changes with the team, and

829
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 1: Wentz will look different than Matt Ryan, who look different

830
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:04,319
Speaker 1: than Philip Rivers. But I just know that he's still,

831
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 1: despite last year, I think, still a very very very

832
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 1: good offensive coach. And then Donov as well like that.

833
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,400
Speaker 1: So there's this assumption that the AFC has just loaded up.

834
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 1: I mean, you think about the players who have come

835
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 1: from the NFC to the AFC, and you know you've

836
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 1: got you know, Russell Wilson at the top of that list,

837
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 1: but you know Davantae Adams making the jump over, and

838
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 1: you know then a number of players moving within the

839
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:29,840
Speaker 1: AFC to teams that continue to try to load up.

840
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 1: When you think about just the overall AFC landscape, Yes,

841
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 1: is it as as much of an arms race as

842
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people assume. Is it? You know,

843
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 1: do you have to keep up with that or can

844
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:44,840
Speaker 1: you continue to build methodically the way the Colts have

845
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:47,879
Speaker 1: of kind of you know, going through their roster, making

846
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 1: the move to get unique and Gakway getting Matt Ryan,

847
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 1: but not going in and sending a bunch of first

848
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 1: round picks or spending hundreds of millions of dollars to

849
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,360
Speaker 1: build out your roster. Is that sustainable the way the

850
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Speaker 1: AFC is trending, is it sustainable over a ten year period?

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Speaker 1: Probably not. I think the barrier for entry to be

852
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:10,479
Speaker 1: a dynasty relatively is in the division. Not not winning

853
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,720
Speaker 1: super Bowls, but you know, rattling off three four wins

854
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 1: in a five year period of the division something like that,

855
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 1: right that to me, the barrier frenchie has never been higher.

856
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 1: What I'll say is this, we sat around last off

857
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 1: season and we said, who's gonna beat Josh Allen, who's

858
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:27,840
Speaker 1: gonna be Patrick Mahomes, Who's gonna get in that? And

859
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:29,799
Speaker 1: I probably said the same thing. The barrier frenchie has

860
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 1: never been hired to be a good team in the AFC.

861
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 1: Think about the NFC, you gotta be better than the

862
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 1: Packers and then Joe Burrow on a team without an

863
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:41,240
Speaker 1: offensive line that piece meal to defense. Everybody, Yes, everybody

864
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 1: was destroying the Jamark Chase bick Oh, you should have

865
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 1: invested in a line. Keep him upright? He just said

866
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 1: screw this, screw the screw this AFC hierarchy thing. I'm

867
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 1: just gonna put the team went back and it post

868
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 1: holes and everything we thought about that conference. And so

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00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 1: in a one year sample size, like what, Okay, sure

870
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 1: the AFC West stacked right now. You know the AFC

871
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 1: North is stacked right now when you look at some

872
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 1: of the moves there. But you could have looked at

873
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 1: divisions and teams last year and said, okay, there's no

874
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 1: chance for Shing with the Bengals to make a run.

875
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 1: Yeah there was. It was that they went in on

876
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 1: January and they were badasses and they weren't scared of anybody,

877
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 1: and they made it happen, and they made adjustment in

878
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 1: the second half, like you take. There's a reason coaches

879
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 1: do the you know, one play at a time, one

880
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 1: quarter at a time thing. Like over small sample size,

881
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:30,360
Speaker 1: everything is fine. So if you're asking me, without a

882
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:33,399
Speaker 1: super duperstar quarterback who's twenty seven years old, if you're

883
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:35,279
Speaker 1: asking me if the Colts are going to be, you know,

884
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 1: built to win for the next decade, I'd say not

885
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:39,879
Speaker 1: as much as the Chiefs, not as much as as

886
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 1: the Bengals. Frankly not as much as the Bills, but

887
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:45,319
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two, you could make a couple moves

888
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:48,320
Speaker 1: here in the short term and get in that ballpark,

889
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 1: and then once you're there, anything can happen. This is

890
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 1: a very when it's teams stacked together like that JJ,

891
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 1: Like it's just a fumble, bounce here and there. It's

892
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:00,359
Speaker 1: just a couple you know, it's just a couple fourth

893
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:03,800
Speaker 1: quarter calls, like if you're within one score in January.

894
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 1: Some of these teams, I think that it's a little

895
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:09,879
Speaker 1: bit of pro grabs, and I think the Colts can

896
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 1: be in that ballpark with just a couple moves or

897
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 1: some internal development from some of the guys, right right,

898
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:17,839
Speaker 1: What just the last one for you when you think

899
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 1: about the lessons then that you learned from this last season,

900
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:24,399
Speaker 1: and outside of having a great quarterback when you need

901
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:26,799
Speaker 1: to make those plays late in the fourth quarter, when

902
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 1: you need to make those calls that are successful late

903
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:31,240
Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter, again, outside of a great quarterback,

904
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 1: because that's the obvious answer, what does a team need

905
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 1: in those situations? So it's two things. Number One, you

906
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:39,799
Speaker 1: need to be aggressive. This is a home run league

907
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 1: at this point, and for as great as Jonathan Taylor

908
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:46,360
Speaker 1: was last year. This is still a passing league, and

909
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 1: you need huge chunk plays because it's the most efficient way.

910
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:52,840
Speaker 1: Having a great quarterback, as you said, is the shortcut

911
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 1: to solving all of your problems. Frankly, I also say

912
00:45:56,280 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 1: that a quarterback driven culture. And I know you asked

913
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 1: me not to talk about quarback. I'm talking about different

914
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:05,799
Speaker 1: genre right here. The lesson I took from last year

915
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:08,879
Speaker 1: was that if someone like Joe Burrow it's gonna try

916
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 1: to change your culture. Let him change your culture because

917
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 1: in the huddle, there's nobody better because they were always calm,

918
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 1: They always felt like they were in it. Even at

919
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. I was at that game. I was

920
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:25,759
Speaker 1: stunned that they didn't win that game. Like I even

921
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:29,799
Speaker 1: though you saw some of the chase was shook free

922
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:33,360
Speaker 1: other than that fourth. Then I saw that and I

923
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 1: was like, man, they're gonna they're gonna win the scam. Yeah,

924
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 1: And I was done that the Rams were able to

925
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 1: do it. But you think about the talent disparity between

926
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 1: that's my helicopter, by the way, that's got to go. Yeah,

927
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 1: I'm glad. I'm glad you're wrapping up here because my

928
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 1: my choppers here. Um, but the U you think about

929
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 1: just generally what they were able to do last year,

930
00:46:56,360 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 1: and I just think that that, um, you know, end

931
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:04,840
Speaker 1: of games. There's there's a play calling element to it,

932
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:07,399
Speaker 1: but really it's just executing and just doing your job.

933
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:10,919
Speaker 1: And I think that the Bengals showed probably a lot

934
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:15,439
Speaker 1: of teams last year, um that if you have a cool,

935
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 1: common collected play caller and quarterback and a couple of

936
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:21,799
Speaker 1: skill guys that you can you can win games you're

937
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 1: not supposed to. And that to me is the epitome

938
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:27,880
Speaker 1: of what NFL excellence is. Fountains of knowledge from Kevin Clark.

939
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 1: Appreciate you, buddy, Thanks for coming on any time. Boss.

940
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:32,280
Speaker 1: All right, Thanks again to Kevin Clark from The Ringer

941
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:35,280
Speaker 1: for joining us here on the Colts Official Podcast presented

942
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 1: by Win Batt. Thanks to Lara Overton and Matt Taylor

943
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:39,840
Speaker 1: for joining us as well. Thanks to Dan Tucker for

944
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 1: signing up to play left tackle for the Indian Apples.

945
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Speaker 1: Number is he? What number would he be? What would

946
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 1: he be in the seventies, nineties? Guys? Just call him

947
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:51,839
Speaker 1: right now. I think he'd be a seventies guy. Yeah,

948
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 1: I don't remember what is His rugby number was something,

949
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 1: but it's like different positionally and in rugby. In the

950
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 1: ball game seventy nine Dan Tucker, who used to be

951
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 1: a lawyer, he used to mitigate left what what is?

952
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 1: What is your card say? According to Pro Football Focus,

953
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:16,800
Speaker 1: he has a success rate of zero. He has to

954
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 1: put up with me, so he's got a success rate

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00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 1: it at least doing that. He's all pros. That's that's

956
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:27,319
Speaker 1: what matters the most. Anyways, we're going to get out

957
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 1: of here. Thank you so much for listening. Please remember

958
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 1: to rate, review, and subscribe to the Colts Audio Network

959
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:34,960
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960
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 1: whatever we are thrown at you. Because we've got some

961
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:40,400
Speaker 1: sit down interviews that Maytay and I did with some

962
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:44,759
Speaker 1: new assistant coaches that came in. We got interviews out

963
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 1: with guys like Ron Milas, Mike Mitchell, Nate Ali. The

964
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:49,879
Speaker 1: conversation may Tey we had with Nate Ali I thought

965
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:52,719
Speaker 1: was fascine, absolutely excited for when you get a chance

966
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 1: to listen to that when that gets out. And Rick Fox,

967
00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:00,399
Speaker 1: Rick Fox is coming on the podcast Fox from Deep

968
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 1: John John what a guest for next week. Rick Fox Man,

969
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:10,359
Speaker 1: he has some big shots in Game seven. He did

970
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 1: now here in a preview the NBA Playoffs. Here's Racers

971
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 1: game on Sunday. So maybe I'm just like on NBA

972
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:20,320
Speaker 1: mode right now. I have no clue. Oh anyways, we

973
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:25,879
Speaker 1: will be back without Rick Fox. We will be back

974
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:28,839
Speaker 1: on the Colts Official Podcast next week, next Tuesday. Rick

975
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 1: Fox will not be the guest unless something weird happens.

976
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 1: I don't know. We don't have a guest lined up yet,

977
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 1: so we're going to figure out who the guest is.

978
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:39,840
Speaker 1: Maybe it will be Rick Fox. Anyways. For Lara Overton

979
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 1: and Matt Taylor, I'm JJ Stacovitz. Thank you so much

980
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 1: for listening. So the Colts Official Podcast, presented by Wind Bett,

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Speaker 1: will talk to you next Tuesday.