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Speaker 1: Joseph, how are you feeling about today's subject? MESSI MOI

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Speaker 1: excited the same girl, because today we are talking all about.

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Speaker 2: The Queen of the Hannah Sili.

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Speaker 1: Selena quintaniap it is, despite being taken from us long

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Speaker 1: before her time, Selena the icon has lived on for

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Speaker 1: generation after generation.

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Speaker 3: First there's the people who got to witness her first hand.

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Speaker 1: Then there's those of us who were born a few

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Speaker 1: years too late but grew up surrounded by her music

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Speaker 1: and learned her story through the magic of film.

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Speaker 3: And lastly, the youngins of today who have gloonbed onto

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Speaker 3: her fashion, her makeup.

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Speaker 2: And hopefully her music as well.

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Speaker 3: Totally, they should make you name your favorite Selena song

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Speaker 3: before letting you buy a Selena lipstick.

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Speaker 4: Wait.

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Speaker 2: That is genius.

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Speaker 1: Like when that Matt collaboration came out and it's sold

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Speaker 1: mall in Corpus, I was like, these people are not

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Speaker 1: old enough to know her music. But that's the magic

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Speaker 1: of Selena is that you've gotten to know her through

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Speaker 1: so many different things.

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Speaker 3: One and I fell in love with her. I refell

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Speaker 3: in love with her again when mac relaunched that Wait.

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Speaker 1: By the way, okay, let's do that now, all right,

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Speaker 1: If you had to name your favorite Selena song to

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Speaker 1: pick up your como La flord.

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Speaker 2: Lipstick, what would it be?

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Speaker 1: Three?

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Speaker 2: Two, one, go see yous.

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Speaker 4: I love that one.

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Speaker 2: It's angry, it's angsty.

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Speaker 1: It's so good, and it is such a deviation from

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Speaker 1: your more traditional like up tempo, upbeat ones.

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Speaker 2: It's just it's so good. She's such a bad bitch

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Speaker 2: in it.

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Speaker 3: So you're in your tehano Elani's Moore set face erro

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Speaker 3: right now.

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Speaker 2: You read me so clearly. I love you for that.

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Speaker 1: Now we should mention that as a couple of Texan

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Speaker 1: Latinos now our ties to the cult of Selena run

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Speaker 1: very very deep.

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Speaker 3: Okay, wait, so, since you are such a huge Selena fan,

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Speaker 3: what was your first like formative memory of her?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 1: Wow, honestly, it's probably a Nochebuena night in my house

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Speaker 1: or my Thea's house with all my crazy Theias and

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Speaker 1: primos dancing to baby Baby bombumb like we move the

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Speaker 2: Of the room.

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Speaker 4: No, stop it, No, it's true.

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Speaker 1: It's probably one of those like, yeah, it's probably like

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Speaker 1: nochebuena or like, it's usually those nights that feel to

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Speaker 1: me the most kind of I don't know, nostalgic when

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Speaker 1: it comes to her music. We love music in my family,

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Speaker 1: Something about those like big family nights by the time,

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Speaker 1: And I think that's probably my first memory of her

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Speaker 1: now because she's got a lot of life to live

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Speaker 1: before we get there. But what about you, what is

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Speaker 1: your formative Selena memory?

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Speaker 4: You know, it is just watching her music video.

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Speaker 3: So I used to my parents, who really were really Christian,

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Speaker 4: Watching her music video of I could fall in love.

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Speaker 3: And I was always so like kind of confused because

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Speaker 2: I love that now. Did you ever see her in concert?

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Speaker 4: But like she was a Western playland?

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Speaker 3: What is that she was at this venue where it's

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Speaker 3: So like, I know that people would go to see

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Speaker 3: her there no Western playland, but you didn't go.

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Speaker 3: I don't want my Dejano card revoked. But I am

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Speaker 3: now becoming a bigger fan of Selena. But growing up,

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Speaker 3: I wasn't the biggest fan of hers, although a lot

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Speaker 2: That's okay, that's okay.

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Speaker 1: My biggest regret in life is actually not having seen

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Speaker 1: her at the Alamo Dome in San Antonio. I had

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Speaker 2: Myself for not making that. That's okay, that's okay.

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Speaker 3: We could probably make a whole podcast of just Selena memory.

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Speaker 2: Yes, easily, but we're here to talk about her story,

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Speaker 2: not ours.

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Speaker 1: We are not the main characters, well not on this episode.

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Speaker 2: I'm your host Lilianavosquez.

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Speaker 4: And I'm Joseph Carrio and this is Becoming an Icon.

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Speaker 1: A weekly podcast where we give you the rundown on

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Speaker 1: how today's most famous LATINV stars have shaped pop culture.

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Speaker 4: And given the world some extra level.

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Speaker 2: Sit back and get comfortable.

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Speaker 3: Because we are going in the only way we know

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Speaker 3: how with Buenas Vias.

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Speaker 2: I'm Buenasriesas.

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Speaker 1: And a lot of opinions as we relive their greatest

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Speaker 1: achievements on our journey.

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Speaker 2: To find out what makes them so iconic.

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Speaker 1: Selina Kitania was born in Lake Jackson, Way, on the

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Speaker 1: opposite end of Texas from where Joseph is from. Tragically,

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Speaker 1: on April sixteenth, nineteen seventy one.

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Speaker 2: Joseph, you have the floor.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Senator ahem as an Airy's son, Selena's a

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Speaker 3: woman of action. She charges ahead and doesn't care for

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Speaker 3: being led or organized by others. But as a Capricorn Moon,

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Speaker 2: Oh well, if there's one thing we all know about Selena.

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Speaker 3: It's that she's determined, steadfast, and reliable. Yes, also Capricorn

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Speaker 2: And there's no question that she would become one.

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Speaker 1: Selena was born to Abraham Quintania Junior and Marcella or

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Speaker 3: Abraham was a musician born in Corpus Christi, Texas. From

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Speaker 1: Marcella was born in the border city of Akunyakawila, Mexico,

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Speaker 1: where by the way, my family still.

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Speaker 4: Lives hey family.

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Speaker 1: Before Selena came around, Abraham and Marcella had two children,

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Speaker 3: With a boy and a girl in tow Abraham put

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Speaker 2: A small town with a population just over ten thousand.

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Speaker 4: Only a sliver of cuomwor Latino.

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Speaker 1: On the Abraham saw an opportunity to support the family

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Speaker 1: by the way, we had a Mexican restaurant, like hello.

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Speaker 2: No you didn't yuh my mom did La Casita.

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Speaker 4: I loved that.

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Speaker 1: In Colleyville, Texas, they loved her. Tamalis Us, I love

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Speaker 4: Hey, she needs to make me son for Christmas.

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Speaker 1: She will, Okay, back to the restaurant, So Abraham named

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Speaker 1: and soon after he and Marcella would welcome their third child.

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Speaker 4: From their Sonograms.

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Speaker 3: They had been expecting a boy, so when they found

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Speaker 1: It was actually another mom in the labor ward who

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Speaker 4: And god she did. I hope that woman became an

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Speaker 1: For real, I would definitely ask for some kind of royalties,

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Speaker 1: but she's not going to get it. If you followed

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Speaker 1: the King Danias and Chris Cherney and everything that's happened

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Speaker 1: getting any but anyway, Selena and her older siblings grew

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Speaker 3: One day, Selena found an old songbook of her father's.

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Speaker 3: In an interview years later, she would describe it, picking

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Speaker 3: After that, Selena's dad went a step further and took

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Speaker 1: There, they visited a record store owned by Abraham's former mentor,

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Speaker 3: Harrari set up a portable cassette recorder for her. She'd

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Speaker 1: Herrera noted that she stayed perfectly in tune and never

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Speaker 1: Selena ended her little recording session with the song in Spanish,

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Speaker 1: In this little record shop in Corpus Christi, Texas, Selena

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Speaker 2: It was a clear preview of things to come.

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Speaker 4: Okay, diehard, Selena fan.

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Speaker 3: Well, I know we were researching this, so I'm sure

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Speaker 3: that you rekindled your love for the lost songs of Selena.

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Speaker 3: Are you playing any of your favorite Selena songs for

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Speaker 3: Santa Hello?

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Speaker 2: Are we friends? Have we met?

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Speaker 1: I started playing Selena songs for him when he was

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Speaker 2: And then I remember the.

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Speaker 1: First week I brought him home, so I had to

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Speaker 3: Kids, right like honor the ancestors carry them with you always.

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Speaker 3: After the recession of nineteen eighty one, Papa Guyo saw

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Speaker 3: Seleno's brother ab took an old bus and restored it

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Speaker 4: But on the other hand, Abraham.

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Speaker 1: Right, I mean, there's ways to pay the bills that

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, she was missing school.

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Speaker 1: But if you think about it now, there's so many

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Speaker 4: Stop it.

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Speaker 2: But that's a whole nother podcast.

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Speaker 4: That's another one, bitch. I was ready to go into

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Speaker 1: But Selena was also trying to make it in a

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Speaker 4: It was a Tahano's world and Selena was just living

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Speaker 2: Do you remember how we introduced Selena.

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Speaker 4: Everyone knows the Queen of Tejano.

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Speaker 2: Right, Okay, So let's talk about the Hannah music for

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Speaker 1: Because Shano has its roots in a culture of ranching, agriculture,

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Speaker 3: Because a lot of Tano music sounds like poka.

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Speaker 1: While that the Hanno population is largely Spanish Mesthiesel and indigenous,

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Speaker 4: So that explains the unpach lumbach and.

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Speaker 1: The Spanish part of it explains the string instruments, the guitar,

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Speaker 4: Sure, and what about the singers.

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Speaker 4: Oh okay, I see. All I needed was to know

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Speaker 2: You're the wandering musician in my past life.

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Speaker 4: Uh yeah, I'm what broidy or more more on board

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Speaker 2: Yeah, damn, Joseph.

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Speaker 1: By the way, when I was little, I could not

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Speaker 4: Were one hundred percent and you followed me around with

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, So basically you and I invented the Hanno music.

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Speaker 1: Now, come the twentieth century, this music had become a

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Speaker 4: Like Selena, she started singing from a very.

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Speaker 3: But Downo music was still heavily male dominated, from the

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Speaker 2: Remember, the Hanno music was raised on farmlands.

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Speaker 3: Who expected to Hano musicians to look like them, not

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Speaker 1: Exactly so, when Selena and the family were knocking on

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Speaker 4: Well, Abraham, let's not forget who's pushing this whole thing.

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Speaker 3: How many times has he told Selena had no talent,

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Speaker 3: that they were just another band.

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Speaker 4: He handled her career, He kept her clean.

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Speaker 1: For her part, Selena would say, we all wanted to

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Speaker 1: make it, so we did everything we could. There were

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Speaker 1: a lot of disappointing times, but even when we got

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Speaker 1: ten or twenty people to show up, we always believe that, hey,

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Speaker 1: these people paid to get in.

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Speaker 2: We should do a good show.

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Speaker 3: Despite the rejection, Selena and the band would continue to

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Speaker 3: find work playing weddings, kinsz blenquiz. Abraham added a keyboardist

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Speaker 3: and a guitarist to the band before placing them in

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Speaker 3: nineteen eighty three.

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Speaker 1: As Selena's biographer Joe Nick Potowski would say, the money

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Speaker 1: was in live performances, but Selena Losino's remained shut out

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Speaker 1: of key venues.

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Speaker 3: Records were hard to sell and the payoff wasn't promising.

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Speaker 3: But when Selena Elosdino's finally did enter the studio, things

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Speaker 3: began to turn around, ever so slowly.

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Speaker 1: Selena Elosinos would record a number of songs for Freddie Records,

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Speaker 1: a small label in Corpus Christie.

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Speaker 2: With her father's.

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Speaker 1: Coaching, Selena sang in less than perfect Spanish, and her

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Speaker 1: brother ab received his first composing credit for the song

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Speaker 1: call Me.

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Speaker 3: After a few more singles and some modest airplan on

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Speaker 3: local radio, the group slowly began finding their way into

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Speaker 3: music venues. Then came the group's first full album, Mitti

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Speaker 3: spimetas Grabacionz.

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Speaker 1: The album was never distributed to stores, but Abraham bought

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Speaker 1: a stack of copies to pitch any and every label

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Speaker 1: executive he could meet at the band's shows.

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Speaker 4: The hustle paid off.

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Speaker 3: Soon Selena Elosdino signed with Carl Records in San Antonio, and.

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Speaker 2: Here is where things finally get going.

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Speaker 1: In nineteen eighty six, Selena Losino's record their second album, Alpha,

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Speaker 1: the record that won Selena her first musical award.

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Speaker 3: Selena was named Female Vocalist of the Year at the

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Speaker 3: nineteen eighty seven West Texas Hispanic Music Awards and the

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Speaker 3: KFLZ Awards, run by a local radio station.

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Speaker 2: We talk about local the West Texas Hispanic Music. O word,

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Speaker 2: what is the trophy? What is the prize?

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Speaker 4: I have ache?

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Speaker 2: It was a boot is there a red carpet. Should

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Speaker 2: I cover it?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we'll find it.

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Speaker 1: But the biggest award of all came from the te

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Speaker 1: Hanno Music Awards, where Selena won Performer of the Year.

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Speaker 2: That is more like it. That is where I want

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Speaker 2: to see my girl right.

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Speaker 4: Hold on pause.

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Speaker 3: So, after years of rejections, promoter after promoter telling them

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Speaker 3: that no one wanted to hear a teen girls seeing

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Speaker 3: Tejano music, Selena turns around and wins Tehano Performer of

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Speaker 3: the Year. Imagine being one of those promoters who said, no,

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Speaker 3: big mistake, huge, it's comeback story we all want for

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Speaker 3: our selves real.

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Speaker 1: Thanks to the Tejano Music Awards, Selena was introduced to

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Speaker 1: Rick Dravigno, the founder of the award show, and Johnny Canales,

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Speaker 1: an influential radio personality in the Tejano scene.

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Speaker 3: Selena appeared on can Nada's radio show, where over time

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Speaker 3: she'd become a regular.

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Speaker 1: The following year, in nineteen eighty eight, the band dropped

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Speaker 1: two more albums, Fresciosa and Bulsemore, netting them their biggest

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Speaker 1: record sales yet.

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Speaker 3: This brought them once again to the Teuano Music Awards.

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Speaker 3: In nineteen eighty nine.

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Speaker 1: Selena again won Best Female Vocalist and her brother ab

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Speaker 1: got his first nomination as a songwriter.

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Speaker 3: But most importantly, this is where Selena Elosdinos would meet

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Speaker 3: Jose Bahar, vice president of the newly formed Latin division

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Speaker 3: of EMI.

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Speaker 1: EMI Latin was less than a year old, and coincidentally,

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Speaker 1: Selena and the band were free agents after ending their

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Speaker 1: engagement with Kara Records.

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Speaker 3: Watching Selena own the stage at the Tejano Music Award,

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Speaker 3: so Bear was convinced he had found the next Gloria Estefan.

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Speaker 1: Selena became the new record label's first signed artist, and

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Speaker 1: it was only up from there.

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Speaker 4: But that's next week.

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Speaker 2: That's right, You'll have to wait.

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Speaker 4: On the next.

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Speaker 1: Becoming an Icon, Selena finds success, love, and maybe even

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Speaker 1: a little independence. Becoming an Icon is presented by Sonoo

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Speaker 1: and Iheart's Michael Duda podcast network. Listen to Becoming an

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Speaker 1: Icon on the iHeartRadio app, Apple

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