Speaker 1: What's blowing jobs my party. Thank you. That was wonderful.
Speaker 1: Thank you. There's a good lead into part two of
Speaker 1: our new so pleased with an intro. I know, I
Speaker 1: really now don't wonderful. Thank you. I crave on prep. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I like it enough to make him treasurer
Speaker 1: of the b JP. I got your treasure of the
Speaker 1: b j P. Also our guests, if you Alexandra, Hi everyone,
Speaker 1: I'm so happy to be here. Thanks for having me back.
Speaker 1: Thanks for coming back minutes after we finished the first episode.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean I almost took off. This has
Speaker 1: been a rough one. I mean it's it's not a
Speaker 1: lot of dead children. It is, but we don't talk
Speaker 1: about all of them. Yeah, that's yeah, we don't detail it.
Speaker 1: That's a silver lining, but it stay in just a
Speaker 1: silver lining. A lot of dead children, but we don't
Speaker 1: have to talk about them specifically. We could just say
Speaker 1: two or three thousand dead and not get more specifically
Speaker 1: that friend Yeah, sometimes the truest form of friendship is
Speaker 1: not going into more detail about horrible ethnic cleansings than
Speaker 1: you need to. I mean, it's what I put on
Speaker 1: our T shirts. But it's a lot of words. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it has to go all the way on the sleeves
Speaker 1: and the back, but a lot hop onto behind the bastards.
Speaker 1: T public for our new ethnic cleansing is horrible, but
Speaker 1: there's only a certain amount of detail that's really necessary
Speaker 1: to get across the key facts of what's happening without
Speaker 1: getting into you know, uh, what's the word when somebody
Speaker 1: like looks at a car crash that sort of thing.
Speaker 1: A lot of words on those T shirts, but that
Speaker 1: shirt also has you saying of five times in a row,
Speaker 1: like it's quoted. Yeah, it's not. We should have edited
Speaker 1: the shirt at some point. No, But honestly, we were
Speaker 1: going for realism. We were cinema verite. That's what that means.
Speaker 1: It's putting ums on a T shirt on fiance miles
Speaker 1: and I call that a transparency bonus. Oh nice's intentional. Yeah.
Speaker 1: In the wake of the Gujrat riots, Narendra Modi was
Speaker 1: shunned and marginalized and broader Indian society both in Gujrat itself,
Speaker 1: his popularity grew. Some of this may have had to
Speaker 1: do with the fact the Muslim population of the area
Speaker 1: had been beaten, murdered and ghettoed into political irrelevance bad
Speaker 1: sounds tight we had at most of it had to
Speaker 1: do with the fact that violent bigotry is actually super
Speaker 1: fun when you're on the side of the majority. See,
Speaker 1: Moody is a very intelligent man, and he grasped instinctively
Speaker 1: that the most important lesson that any would be tyrant
Speaker 1: can ever learn, which is never ever apologize. So instead
Speaker 1: of that, he followed up this nightmarish blood letting with
Speaker 1: a Hindu pride march across the state. Ranks and ranks
Speaker 1: of uniformed RSS members celebrated their violent oppression of the
Speaker 1: Muslim minority and were met by cheering crowds. He was
Speaker 1: careful in his actual language, always delivering the message that
Speaker 1: without exposing too much of his ass, saying things like
Speaker 1: if we raise the self respected morale, a fifty million
Speaker 1: gujratis the schemes of Ali's, Moli's and Jamali's will not
Speaker 1: be able to do us any harm. Those are all
Speaker 1: like stereotypical of Muslim names in India. Do you see
Speaker 1: what he's saying? I just he doubled down on the genocide.
Speaker 1: He sure did, which is a real power move, a
Speaker 1: white power move. White power move. You might say Airy
Speaker 1: in power. Let's let's get a little more specific. Yeah,
Speaker 1: wal Nor Render solidified his base of power. The rest
Speaker 1: of the b JP suffered a series of electoral reversals.
Speaker 1: This also wound up working out for Moody. The more
Speaker 1: liberal wings of the party crumbled in the wake of
Speaker 1: these defeats, and while they flailed, Moody pressed forward in
Speaker 1: guj Rot and made deals with the biggest businessmen in
Speaker 1: the region. He made life easy for them and they
Speaker 1: pumped more money into guj Rot's economy, allowing him to
Speaker 1: brag that he developed Gugrot into a financial powerhouse during
Speaker 1: his time in office. That's a real trump yep boast.
Speaker 1: Kind of sounds like they're all working from the same
Speaker 1: play book. Over time, Moody seized control of the b
Speaker 1: JP and married it's hardline racist, fascist DNA with the
Speaker 1: financial interests of the business class. And I'm gonna quote
Speaker 1: now from an article in the News Statesman. The turning
Speaker 1: point came in October two thousand and eight when Tata
Speaker 1: Motors moved its car plant for its much publicized new
Speaker 1: budget hatchback the NANO from the leftist dominated West Bengal
Speaker 1: to the pro business guz Rot. In two thousand eleven,
Speaker 1: Ford invested one billion dollars in setting up another car plant.
Speaker 1: Before long, Gugrot started to make headlines not for riots,
Speaker 1: but for its new image as an economic powerhouse. From
Speaker 1: to that just like mine com really wasn't about no,
Speaker 1: it's about business tilling. It was really just a self
Speaker 1: help business kind of yeah, exactly. From two thousand three,
Speaker 1: Modi began holding an annual summit Vibrant guz Rot, which
Speaker 1: cumulatively generated investment pledges of NWY billion. All the prominent, Yeah,
Speaker 1: all the most prominent Indian captains of industry, from Matan
Speaker 1: Tata to the Ambani's and the Mittal's rallied behind Mody
Speaker 1: and declared him India's most business friendly chief Minister. Guzrot
Speaker 1: now enjoys double digit growth and there's no question that
Speaker 1: Mody has run an economically successful administration. However, his claims
Speaker 1: to have made the state's economy and ideal for the
Speaker 1: rest of India is disputed by economists to point out
Speaker 1: that the gouge Rot model has done little to alleviate
Speaker 1: poverty or improve indexes of education, malnutrition, or healthcare because
Speaker 1: the money does not people down because Drick gold Down
Speaker 1: Thery is not a real thing. But if you can
Speaker 1: make the numbers look good on paper, you can get
Speaker 1: people to vote for you because they think they'll get
Speaker 1: some of that money, and then genocide it gets to happen.
Speaker 1: It's cool. It's cool that it always works. When the
Speaker 1: wealthiest men and goug Rot saw how good Moody could
Speaker 1: be for business, they put their money into making sure
Speaker 1: the few thousand people have gotten murdered were forgotten. There
Speaker 1: was an investigation, of course, but the Indian Supreme Court
Speaker 1: decided there wasn't enough evidence to charge Moody himself of anything.
Speaker 1: That's so crazy. It's like, we tried, but like there's
Speaker 1: nothing to tie you to the genocide. So it's like
Speaker 1: so weird. There's no evidence but you're basically free. That's
Speaker 1: so crazy. That's wild. Yeah, some officials within the government
Speaker 1: did try to take action against Moody. Hern Pondia, a
Speaker 1: can't minister, gave sworn testimony about the riots, claiming that
Speaker 1: on the night it all began, he had attended a
Speaker 1: meeting at moody home and heard the Chief Minister tell
Speaker 1: police officials to allow people to vent their frustration and
Speaker 1: not come in the way of the Hindu backlash. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a good switchblade moment. Sanjiv Bought. A police administrator
Speaker 1: also testified to hearing Moody express similar sentiments, discussing his
Speaker 1: hope that the Muslims be taught a lesson to ensure
Speaker 1: that such incidents do not recur. The evidence was there,
Speaker 1: but most of Moody's political rivals were too frightened of
Speaker 1: the consequences of pursuing him to the fullest extent of
Speaker 1: the law. They decided to take their chances with the
Speaker 1: electoral system and the hope that you really never should
Speaker 1: you never decide not to fully pursue criminal charges against
Speaker 1: a fascist because you're worried about the backlash socially and
Speaker 1: decided to just trust in voters. Turns out that doesn't
Speaker 1: ever work. Yeah, gotta be on the right side of history.
Speaker 1: Gotta throw then you can't wait until someone else is
Speaker 1: like this is bad. So uh. Meanwhile, Moody and his
Speaker 1: followers set to work eliminating the men who test to
Speaker 1: fight against them, but was quickly charged with the death
Speaker 1: of a suspect and police custody and sentenced to life
Speaker 1: in prison. Hira and Pandya was found dead in his
Speaker 1: car in two thousand three. His wife insisted this day
Speaker 1: that his death was a political murder. So that's cool.
Speaker 1: There's allowing to be a lot more of those. Moody
Speaker 1: angrily ignored questions about the riots for years. One of
Speaker 1: the most direct responses he actually did make came in
Speaker 1: two thousand thirteen, when a reporter asked him if he
Speaker 1: felt sorry for all the Muslims who'd been murdered by
Speaker 1: those mobs he enabled. Moody responded, if someone is driving
Speaker 1: a car and we're sitting behind, even then, if a
Speaker 1: puppy comes under the wheel, will it be painful? Of
Speaker 1: course it is. What what if you're sitting by someone
Speaker 1: in a car and they hit a puppy? Does it
Speaker 1: hurt you to see? Yes, But that's the same as
Speaker 1: him enabling this mob that killed three things. Not even
Speaker 1: an analogy. It's it's pretty great. That's like sentences that
Speaker 1: don't form a whole story. I mean, there's definitely like
Speaker 1: some translation makes no sense stuff here like that he
Speaker 1: originally said it. I'm guessing and like Karatti or whatever.
Speaker 1: So it's like, you know, there's probably maybe it made
Speaker 1: more sense than the original language, but like he did
Speaker 1: it though, because it doesn't seem to address the fact
Speaker 1: it was always a bullshit response. I just think the
Speaker 1: phrasing is a little weird, not just mean. There's no
Speaker 1: part of it where he's like what he's saying is
Speaker 1: that like his role in letting the letting it enabling
Speaker 1: these models? Why are the Muslims though the puppy where
Speaker 1: and he's like still a human in the analogy, why
Speaker 1: are the Muslims? And a good boy is just confusing.
Speaker 1: He's like, I am a man, but in this story,
Speaker 1: the Muslims are a puppy, and sometimes puppies get hit
Speaker 1: by cars and you don't like to see it, so
Speaker 1: you don't care driving the car which he's behind. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was totally sense and like, no, you're the driver
Speaker 1: and they're not a puppy, they're a man, and you
Speaker 1: just ran over the man. So I don't really understand why.
Speaker 1: I get what he was trying to make it different
Speaker 1: because think of Muslims as people. But it's like that
Speaker 1: Simpson's bit where Liona Huts is like, yeah, this judge
Speaker 1: doesn't like me because I hit his dog with my car.
Speaker 1: Only replaced the word dog with the words son and
Speaker 1: replaced the word hit with repeatedly that's a good bit,
Speaker 1: oh boy. Moody's popularity was further augmented in two thousand
Speaker 1: five when Gut police announced that they had shot dead
Speaker 1: a terrorist they believed had been planning to assassinate Neurindra
Speaker 1: sa Buddin Chic. The dead man was said to have
Speaker 1: been a member of an Islamic terrorist cell collaborating with
Speaker 1: the I s I Pakistani intelligence. Gujarati police claimed sar
Speaker 1: Buddin had opened fire on them when they had caught him,
Speaker 1: and they've been forced to fire back and kill him.
Speaker 1: None of this was true, and it soon became clear
Speaker 1: that the whole affair had been blatantly orchestrated by the authorities.
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna quote now from scroll dot Ian and
Speaker 1: Indian News website. Those were the years when Gujat was
Speaker 1: scarred by several such encounters. The police killed more than
Speaker 1: twenty people claiming they were trying to murder the Chief
Speaker 1: Minister or commit other acts of terrorism, and a few
Speaker 1: of these cases was the police's version effectively challenged. Shake's
Speaker 1: killing would have become just another statistic and forgotten police records,
Speaker 1: except for two interventions. First, Rubba Buddin Shaik wrote to
Speaker 1: India's Chief Justice that he did not believe the police's
Speaker 1: version of his brother's killing and that he was worried
Speaker 1: for the safety of kawser B s A Buddin Shake's wife,
Speaker 1: who disappeared since her husband's killing. In response, the Supreme
Speaker 1: Court told the Gugrot police to find out how Shake
Speaker 1: had been killed and what had happened to his wife. Second,
Speaker 1: Preshant Daal, a journalist for the Dba Vashgar Paper newspaper,
Speaker 1: published a sensational report claiming senior guz Rot police officials
Speaker 1: had deliberately killed Shake and then rape and burned alive
Speaker 1: his wife. Holy shit, Yeah, it's fucked. So a thorough
Speaker 1: investigation would eventually secure the admission of the Gujrat government's
Speaker 1: legal counsel that the whole shooting had been a fake encounter.
Speaker 1: The motorcycle that police claimed Shake had been writing at
Speaker 1: the time of the shootout turned out to be owned
Speaker 1: by a relative of one of the cops who killed him.
Speaker 1: As the crime was dug into. That's not even a
Speaker 1: good cover up, No, it was not a good guy.
Speaker 1: You gets someone who's not directly involved with what is
Speaker 1: one of the frustrating things about fascism is how lazy
Speaker 1: they're allowed to be and can still get away with it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's very frustrating. So as the crime was dug into
Speaker 1: ultimate blame for planning all this eventually settled on the
Speaker 1: shoulders of Ahmed Shaw, a government minister in Narendra Moody's
Speaker 1: right hand man. The state investigation eventually revealed that Shaw
Speaker 1: had been running a massive extortion racket through the Gujrati Police.
Speaker 1: Shake had been a part of this racket, and for
Speaker 1: one reason or another, Shaw had decided that killing him
Speaker 1: would be good for business. And since he was going
Speaker 1: to commit murder, he figured he might as well make
Speaker 1: the murdered man's death work for his political patron. So
Speaker 1: he was like, oh, we'll just say this guy was
Speaker 1: planning to kill Moody. It'll buffer Moody's popularity and we'll
Speaker 1: get rid of this guy. All of this took years
Speaker 1: to properly dig up, though, and the slow drip of
Speaker 1: unimpeachable evidence of Moody and Shaw's shameless violent corruption had
Speaker 1: no impact on their political futures. Instead, Moody grew more
Speaker 1: popular year after year. He was reelected as Chief Minister
Speaker 1: of Gujrat in two thousand seven. During his campaign, he
Speaker 1: deliberately mocked his political opponents for trying to prosecute him
Speaker 1: from murder, saying at one rally, congress people say that
Speaker 1: Moody is indulging in encounters, saying that Moody killed Sora Buddin.
Speaker 1: You tell me what should I do with Sora Budden.
Speaker 1: He asked, kill him. The crowdared killed him, so kill him.
Speaker 1: They said, yeah, that's cool. By two twelve, it really
Speaker 1: is like Trump rallies. It's very much the same, insanely erie.
Speaker 1: All of them are the same person, just in different bodies. Yeah.
Speaker 1: By two thousand twelve, this guy had a nicer body
Speaker 1: than Trump. It's not a high bar, That's what I
Speaker 1: was about. It was like, uh, that body is failing
Speaker 1: on every level. It's not doing great. It's like a diaper,
Speaker 1: but a person good time. By two thousand twelve, and
Speaker 1: a dramody stood at the very top of the b
Speaker 1: j P, and the b j P was one of
Speaker 1: the most powerful parties in the country, with tens of
Speaker 1: millions of members. Moody announced his campaign for Prime Minister
Speaker 1: near the end of two thousand thirteen, and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: quote again from The New Yorker. Here he sold himself
Speaker 1: not as a crusading nationalist, but as a master manager
Speaker 1: at the visionary who had presided over an economic boom
Speaker 1: in Gujrat. His campaign slogan was the good days are coming.
Speaker 1: A close look at the data showed that Gurot's economy
Speaker 1: had grown no faster under his administration. The dog days
Speaker 1: are over and he's saying it, yeah, a little bit yeah.
Speaker 1: A close look at the data showed that Gurot's economy
Speaker 1: had grown no faster under his administration than under previous ones.
Speaker 1: The accelerated growth was a fantastically crafted fiction, even so,
Speaker 1: many of India's largest businesses flooded his campaign with contributions.
Speaker 1: Moody was helped by an overwhelming public perception that the
Speaker 1: Congress Party, which had been in power from most of
Speaker 1: the past half century, had grown arrogant and corrupt. Its
Speaker 1: complacency was personified by the Gandhi family, whose members dominated
Speaker 1: the party but appeared diffident and out of touch. Rahul Gandhi,
Speaker 1: the head of the party and Nehru's great grandson, was
Speaker 1: dubbed the reluctant prince by the Indian media. By contrast,
Speaker 1: Moody and his team were disciplined, focused and responsive. The
Speaker 1: Gandhi's would keep chief ministers who had traveled across the
Speaker 1: country to see them waiting for days. They didn't care.
Speaker 1: An Indian plitical commentator who has met with the Gandhi's
Speaker 1: as well as Moody, told me, with Moody's people, you
Speaker 1: got right in. So, like Moody, number one, access and
Speaker 1: availability trumps yep, trumps being an out of touch political
Speaker 1: elite who just tells, trust me, I know what I'm doing.
Speaker 1: We've been at this for a while. Um yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: It turns out that works. And also, you know, when
Speaker 1: you're trying to get elected for the first time as
Speaker 1: a fascist, you you you button down a little bit
Speaker 1: on their racism and focused on I'm a good manager.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be good for the economy. I'm a good businessman. Yeah.
Speaker 1: A huge amount of the b JP success had to
Speaker 1: do with the casual corruption and elitism many Indians perceived
Speaker 1: from the Congress Party. Most of their highest officials came
Speaker 1: from families who had dominated Indian politics since the nation
Speaker 1: got its independence. The actors of power was there's by
Speaker 1: right of birth. The men of the b JP, however,
Speaker 1: portrayed themselves less as aristocrats and more as humble warrior monks.
Speaker 1: They were cheap, simple clothing and avoided displays of wealth.
Speaker 1: There and Drew Moody talked regularly about the hour of
Speaker 1: yoga he did every day and repeatedly emphasized his simple
Speaker 1: life and noble refusal to fuck anybody. So that's good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this may seem odd, but Moody's refusal to have a
Speaker 1: family meant that he had no distractions from work, and
Speaker 1: that's the image, the hard working, religiously dedicated aesthetic that
Speaker 1: played for Indian voters. It's anyone's guess as to whether
Speaker 1: or not Moody really is the man he portrays himself
Speaker 1: to be, but it's possible that he actually is. One
Speaker 1: political commentator told The New Yorker, when you have that
Speaker 1: kind of power, that kind of adoration, you don't need romance.
Speaker 1: I mean, I just feel like the members of the
Speaker 1: b j P should really have exploded on the scene more. Yeah. Sorry,
Speaker 1: they should have come into power. Yeah, you're better at
Speaker 1: this than me. They should have ejaculated on Parliament no,
Speaker 1: that didn't work. They should have really focused on stimulating
Speaker 1: the head of their party, stimulating the head and sort
Speaker 1: of making a cream pie of the different branches. So
Speaker 1: many people, we do, we do? We do? We do?
Speaker 1: Where the hell was I here? The b JP won
Speaker 1: the popular vote and Moody, it's leader became Prime Minister.
Speaker 1: He immediately set to work dealing with problems the prior
Speaker 1: government had ignored. Chief among them was public defecation. This
Speaker 1: is like this is but the India's like fucking huge.
Speaker 1: It's like the biggest, It's one of the biggest countries
Speaker 1: on the planet. And like this is not just like
Speaker 1: a sort of because of the lack of a lot
Speaker 1: of like good plumbing and stuff, it's often a lot
Speaker 1: of people consider it cleaner to go out in public,
Speaker 1: but like then you wind up like this stuff spreads disease.
Speaker 1: Like it was a big problem. And I was mostly
Speaker 1: just laughing because I thought that it would be amazing
Speaker 1: if that problem only circulated around the b j P headquarters,
Speaker 1: because people were like fuck you and just around it
Speaker 1: and they're like, we have this really weird public defecation problem,
Speaker 1: and like the rest of the city is totally clean.
Speaker 1: They're like, yeah, but it's just like ships running in
Speaker 1: the streets. People are like, no, no, it's no, it's
Speaker 1: not just fortunately not. It was a problem and they
Speaker 1: decided to deal with it um and again in the
Speaker 1: traditional way that you see with this. They like launched
Speaker 1: a thing that looked really good but was less effective
Speaker 1: than it actually wound up being, but allowed them to
Speaker 1: like publicly claimed that they were making great strides. So
Speaker 1: in one of his first speeches in Delhi, Nedromodi promised
Speaker 1: to launch a nationwide campaign to build public toilets and
Speaker 1: every school. In sixty months, hundred and ten million toilets
Speaker 1: were constructed, serving more than sixty million Indians. It was
Speaker 1: probably the largest fastest toilet building program in world. Are
Speaker 1: just fascist building? It also does that too, yeah, building,
Speaker 1: And it's hard to fault Moody on at least the
Speaker 1: idea of adding more public toilets to India, but its
Speaker 1: execution and its efficacy were distinctly mixed. And I'm gonna
Speaker 1: quote now from a Voice of American news right up. Quote.
Speaker 1: Critics however, charged that over zealous government workers may have
Speaker 1: inflated the number, since a deadline had been set for
Speaker 1: declaring India open defecation free by October two hundred, fiftieth
Speaker 1: birthday of Mahatma Gandhi, the leader of India's independent struggle.
Speaker 1: The entire movement happened in a mission mode. There were
Speaker 1: targets to achieve, according to Nazarka, Lead, a New Delhi
Speaker 1: research fellow at the Research Institute for Compassionate Economics, a
Speaker 1: nonprofit that works on child and sanitation issues in India.
Speaker 1: He charges in some places, people were coerced into building
Speaker 1: toilets by local authorities who wanted to demonstrate progress. A
Speaker 1: study conducted last year by the group and four of
Speaker 1: India's biggest states found that access to household toilets increased
Speaker 1: from thirty seven percent into this in fourteen to last year. However,
Speaker 1: roughly one quarter of people who owned a toilet continued
Speaker 1: to defecate in the open. They considered it wholesome and
Speaker 1: healthy and an opportunity to get some fresh air or
Speaker 1: see their fields. So I thought that was going to
Speaker 1: be in see their friends. I was like, damn, just
Speaker 1: pooping and talking. That's pretty ann P and T, A
Speaker 1: little bit of P and T for the b j P.
Speaker 1: That's a that's a merch shirt, that's for sure. We're noticed.
Speaker 1: How how good I slice this like you did? You
Speaker 1: sliced it great. We're playing with knives when we talk
Speaker 1: about fascism, and I really did a great job with mine.
Speaker 1: I'm very proud of you. And you know what else,
Speaker 1: I'm proud of these goods and services. Absolutely, I am
Speaker 1: so proud of these goods and services. I have no children,
Speaker 1: but in a way, all of the products and services
Speaker 1: that we advertise are my children. And by in a way,
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Speaker 1: and so Fia is now holding two knives. The very
Speaker 1: ready to continue here. So the toilet building project had
Speaker 1: a debatable impact, but it achieved its real purpose, which
Speaker 1: was to give Moody a strong out of the gate
Speaker 1: win that made him look like a decisive and powerful leader,
Speaker 1: and since it was impossible to make more toilets into
Speaker 1: a partisan issue, there was nothing his opponents could do
Speaker 1: but kind of hand him that win. Uh. And Moody
Speaker 1: scored another early victory when he attacked India's massive problem
Speaker 1: with gang rape. In two thousand twelve, twenty three year
Speaker 1: old woman had been raped and tortured by six men
Speaker 1: on a public bus. She died of her Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: it was it was this. It was a huge story internationally.
Speaker 1: It happened like right before I went there. Um And
Speaker 1: it was still like the big topic of discussion in
Speaker 1: Delhi at the time. And it was this kind of
Speaker 1: like horrible, horrible crime that catalyzed the fact that like
Speaker 1: India had a major problem with gang rape. Um. And
Speaker 1: so this is like this makes the international news. India
Speaker 1: gets like criticized for it worldwide, and like it is
Speaker 1: something that has to be addressed. Um. And I hate
Speaker 1: to give Moody credit for anything, but his first public
Speaker 1: speech on the issue, he actually gave a really good statement.
Speaker 1: He told a crowd parents asked their daughters hundreds of questions,
Speaker 1: but if any dared to ask their sons where they
Speaker 1: are going, which is like kind of the right way
Speaker 1: to lean it drop for that fascist. Yeah, one good thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah he handles this that he handles talking about that. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean, Hiller was a vegetarian. We gotta give him.
Speaker 1: He was pretty good. He was anti animal testing too.
Speaker 1: So with stories like that coming out of the early
Speaker 1: days of Moody's reign, it was hard for the world
Speaker 1: to stay mad at him for the minor issue of
Speaker 1: helping to orchestrate inside three months of bloody riots that
Speaker 1: killed thousands of people and ethnically cleansed large chunks of
Speaker 1: a major state. He said, the woke thing. So we're good.
Speaker 1: This is the day Moody became Prime minister. Oh Man, Yeah.
Speaker 1: According to the New Yorker quote, Moody's effort to transform
Speaker 1: his image succeeded in the West as well. In the
Speaker 1: United States, newspaper columnists welcome his emphasis on markets and efficiency.
Speaker 1: In addition, Moody called on a vast network of Indian
Speaker 1: Americans cheered to success at putting India on the world stage.
Speaker 1: The Obama administration quietly dropped the visa ban when Moody
Speaker 1: meat Obama not long after taking office. The two visited
Speaker 1: the memorial to Martin Luther King Jr. A man Moody
Speaker 1: claimed to admire. During his stay, Moody had a dinner
Speaker 1: meeting with Obama, but he presented White House chefs with
Speaker 1: a dilemma. He was fasting for Navaratri, a Hindu festival.
Speaker 1: At the meeting, he consumed only water, which obviously like
Speaker 1: makes him look really good, is very religious bases, like
Speaker 1: he's not even going to eat at this this White
Speaker 1: House feast and stuff. So pretty awkward to have a
Speaker 1: full dinner in front of a man that's just like,
Speaker 1: now I'll have water. Thanks. You knew when this meeting
Speaker 1: was happening. We could have like a different schedule. We're
Speaker 1: not dinner, Like we don't invite a lot of like
Speaker 1: the leaders of Muslim countries over during Ramadan, or if
Speaker 1: we do, we do like the night thing that you're
Speaker 1: supposed to do, Like we could have worked this out,
Speaker 1: but could have just done like a tea meeting. He
Speaker 1: might not be allowed to consume tea during it kind
Speaker 1: of depends like the different levels of fast. Well, never mind,
Speaker 1: should have just rescheduled. Yeah, well. Moody's early days were
Speaker 1: relatively unproblematic. On the outside. There were numerous clear signs
Speaker 1: that he was still exactly as much of a fascist
Speaker 1: as he's always been. The trial of his old buddy
Speaker 1: I'm at Shaw over the murder of Sora Budin Shake
Speaker 1: was still going on at this point, but in two
Speaker 1: thousand fourteen, Modi's first full year in power, show just
Speaker 1: stopped showing up to court. The judge ordered him to appear,
Speaker 1: and in response, the government removed the judge from the case.
Speaker 1: So Shaw got a new judge named bridge Go Paul Lawyer,
Speaker 1: and this judge also complained about Shah's refusal to come
Speaker 1: to court. He confessed to his friends and family that
Speaker 1: he'd been offered sixteen million dollars from the Chief Justice
Speaker 1: of the Bombay High Court to drop the case. That's
Speaker 1: a lot. That is a lot of money. Lawyer refused
Speaker 1: because he was a good judge, and then he died
Speaker 1: conveniently of a heart attack. The Caravan and Indian News
Speaker 1: magazine reported on some peculiarities about how the judge's body
Speaker 1: was returned to his family. Rather than the arrangements being
Speaker 1: made by government officials like you'd expect for a government employee,
Speaker 1: they were handled by the RSS and his corps arrived
Speaker 1: back at home covered in blood A lot of equal
Speaker 1: suspect maybe it wasn't a heart attack. They didn't even
Speaker 1: bother to wipe the blood off saying how they were like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we don't give up. It's frustrating because, like I've gotten
Speaker 1: to a lot of protests were like thousands of activists
Speaker 1: organized for weeks and held like a mostly peaceful event,
Speaker 1: but like one kid tosses a rock and that's like
Speaker 1: the whole story. Whereas like fascists get to like murder
Speaker 1: people and send their bloody corpses back to their family
Speaker 1: and everyone's like, yeah, but the economy, it's very frustrating,
Speaker 1: very frustrating, cool and good, It's what I meant to say.
Speaker 1: Shah's case was given to a third judge named Gosavi,
Speaker 1: who dismissed all the charges after about a month. Um,
Speaker 1: that's so weird, that's so weird. Did the pittsporaldecessor's bloody
Speaker 1: corpse have anything to do with this decision? Might have been?
Speaker 1: Might have been? And while all this was going on,
Speaker 1: Norindra Moody went ahead and made Amshaw the president of
Speaker 1: the b JP, making him the second most powerful man
Speaker 1: in the country. Over the next few years, Moody and
Speaker 1: his followers consolidated power, killing her, sidelining judges who worked
Speaker 1: against them, and or frustrating a vast campaign of suppression
Speaker 1: against the press. Good journalists have been the chief enemy
Speaker 1: of Narendra Moody from day one, and the b j
Speaker 1: P set up a sophisticated cyber harassment campaign to shut
Speaker 1: down or scare off anyone who might speak out against them.
Speaker 1: Naha Dixit, a reporter, told The New Yorker. Every day
Speaker 1: I get three notifications with Dick pis and with conversations
Speaker 1: about how they should rape me with a steel rod
Speaker 1: or a rose thorn bush or something like that. And
Speaker 1: obviously the worst of the abuses saved for female journalists
Speaker 1: who have been kind of at the forefront of attacking
Speaker 1: modes regime, very brave women reporters in India. Dixit's abuse
Speaker 1: does not just come from random Moody bros. Online. Official
Speaker 1: representatives of the b JP regularly tweet abuse to her,
Speaker 1: suggesting that that this behavior is officially condoned by the party.
Speaker 1: The New Yorker continues. Partixin, a former software engineer and
Speaker 1: the founder of alt News, which tracks online disinformation, described
Speaker 1: a nimble social media operation that works on behalf of
Speaker 1: the b JP. In two thou seventeen, his group made
Speaker 1: a typical discovery when a pro b JP website called
Speaker 1: Hindutva dot info released a video of a gruesome stabbing,
Speaker 1: which was passed around on social media as evidence that
Speaker 1: Muslims were killing Hindus and Kerala Punic Sharma, an rss Apparachnik,
Speaker 1: who Moody follows on Twitter, promoted the video saying that
Speaker 1: it should make Hindu's blood boil. But when All News
Speaker 1: tracked the video to its source, it turned out to
Speaker 1: depict a gang killing in Mexico, which you might recognize
Speaker 1: does not have a high Hindu population or Muslim population,
Speaker 1: was probably unrelated to any conflicts there. Yeah, it also
Speaker 1: seems again pretty lazy. They get to be lazy. It's fine.
Speaker 1: Sinaha told me he believed that some of the most
Speaker 1: aggressive social media poster instigated by an official I T
Speaker 1: cell staffed and funded by b JP loyalists. He said
Speaker 1: that people affiliated with the b JP maintained websites that
Speaker 1: pushed promodi propaganda and attack his enemies. They were organized
Speaker 1: and quick, He said. They got their act down a
Speaker 1: long time ago in gug rot pretty cool, that's so
Speaker 1: funked up and again so similar to what we have going.
Speaker 1: I was going to say completely different from anything that's
Speaker 1: ever happened anywhere, but I guesst what you say works
Speaker 1: to sixteen, the Moody Adminitis station went after Indie TV,
Speaker 1: one of the most prominent and influential critics of their regime.
Speaker 1: All government advertising was pulled from the network, and members
Speaker 1: of the Moody cabinet pressured business owners and private corporations
Speaker 1: to stop buying ads on in d TV as well.
Speaker 1: The station was forced to lay off a quarter of
Speaker 1: its staff, while good journalists lost their jobs and in
Speaker 1: some cases, their lives. Narendra Moody continued to pump money
Speaker 1: into his social media operations. In two thousand nineteen, yours
Speaker 1: you gotta stay up on the socials, social meds, social meds.
Speaker 1: In two thousand nineteen, Moody faced reelection, He spent as
Speaker 1: much as five billion dollars on his campaign regular fucking
Speaker 1: Bloomberg over here. Yeah, I mean it's a big country,
Speaker 1: so you do have to like spread it out more.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, pouring money into his propaganda efforts to mitigate
Speaker 1: the fact that India's economy actually took a bit of
Speaker 1: a dive under his leadership. It's like fascist starting actually
Speaker 1: good at the one thing fascist wild. He was helped
Speaker 1: along in this by an attack by a suicide bomber
Speaker 1: on Cashmere on February fourteenth, two thousand nineteen, which killed
Speaker 1: forty Indian soldiers. Moody's online propaganda machines swung into action.
Speaker 1: Video went viral of Moody consoling the widow of a
Speaker 1: soldier that recording was actually from two thousand thirteen. But
Speaker 1: the truth never gets in the way of spreading a
Speaker 1: good meme. They're like, she's a widow. You know, widows.
Speaker 1: One widows as good as another. Throw it out there. Uh.
Speaker 1: Moody used anger over the attack as an excuse to
Speaker 1: ratchet up as anti Muslim rhetoric. He gave speeches claiming
Speaker 1: that the blood of the people is boiling, and sent
Speaker 1: thousands of troops into Cashmir on the pretext that India's
Speaker 1: only semi autonomous Muslim majority state had to be cracked
Speaker 1: down on for the safety of the people. Twelve days
Speaker 1: after the attack, the Prime Minister ordered a series of
Speaker 1: air strikes on what he claimed was a terrorist training
Speaker 1: camp in a town called Balakot. Predictably, online Modi supporters
Speaker 1: hailed this as a massive success in the battle against terrorism,
Speaker 1: claiming that more than three hundred Islamic extremists had been killed.
Speaker 1: Viral pictures of smoking corpses spread throughout social media, but
Speaker 1: journalists who investigated found only a few holes in the
Speaker 1: ground and no evidence that anyone at all had died.
Speaker 1: The viral photos were actually just pictures from the aftermath
Speaker 1: of a deadly heat wave. Purported video of the air
Speaker 1: strikes was actually footage from a video game called Arma Too.
Speaker 1: I believe the Russian government has also used to like
Speaker 1: fake videos of air strikes. It's very funny and good
Speaker 1: and cool. None of this mattered the lies sold I
Speaker 1: meet Shaw bragged to a group of election workers that
Speaker 1: the b JP social media operations had created an impenetrable
Speaker 1: wall of bullshit. Quote do you understand what I'm saying?
Speaker 1: We are capable of delivering any message we want to
Speaker 1: the public, whether sweet or sour, true or fake about
Speaker 1: sweet and sour? Am I right? And balance it out?
Speaker 1: I got good chicken? Yeah? No. Reindramodi was reelected and
Speaker 1: while his first term started with a series of field
Speaker 1: good measures almost everyone could support. There was no pretense
Speaker 1: at all. The second time around, and I'm going to
Speaker 1: quote from the New Yorker again, Moody's government introduced a
Speaker 1: series of extraordinary initiatives meant to solidify Hindu dominance. The
Speaker 1: most notable of them, along with provoking the special status
Speaker 1: of Kashmir, was a measure designed to strip citizenship from
Speaker 1: as many as two million resid at the state of Assam,
Speaker 1: many of who who had crossed the border from the
Speaker 1: Muslim nation of Bangladesh decades before. In September, the government
Speaker 1: began constructing detention centers for residents who had become a
Speaker 1: legal overnight. Fuck cool and good. I mean again, to
Speaker 1: remind me of anything happening where No, not unlike anything
Speaker 1: in history or now elsewhere on the planet. As is
Speaker 1: always the case in situations like this, the government's open
Speaker 1: embraced bigotry acted as a blank check for bigots among
Speaker 1: the population, Hindu nationalists and so crazy, how there's a
Speaker 1: connection between that. Really it's really weird, right, yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: this is the only time that's happened to a lot
Speaker 1: of only time happenings here. The first and only lots
Speaker 1: of those, so Hindu nationalists in Northern India, for example,
Speaker 1: started to spread rumors that Muslim men had launched a
Speaker 1: hidden operation to trick Hindu women into marriage and then
Speaker 1: foresaid women into prostitution. These bogus rumors spread like wildfire
Speaker 1: on social media and what'sapp and quickly acquired the name
Speaker 1: love Jihad. Interfaith couples have been increasingly insulted, assaulted. Edge
Speaker 1: is actually the next show from the Love Is Blind
Speaker 1: People on Netflix because it is a good title, you know,
Speaker 1: the only thing I watch on Netflix. Well, no, they
Speaker 1: don't have it on Netflix, so I had to torrent it. Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: never mind. Just it's not for you, that's good. The
Speaker 1: only thing that's for me is rewatching old episodes of
Speaker 1: Star Trek, The Next Generation and Community. So that's that's
Speaker 1: basically it for me. I'm I'm a I'm an old man,
Speaker 1: and I hate new things. You're wearing an adorable cardian
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you, thank you. A tiny, little cute
Speaker 1: old man working on it. You know what else I'm
Speaker 1: working on these goods and services, I'm working on getting
Speaker 1: together making a little love connection with another corporation or two,
Speaker 1: just kind of pumping a couple of products out, getting
Speaker 1: them to push out a service or two, and then
Speaker 1: you can buy them wet and fresh from the womb
Speaker 1: or dry because it's gross. No, no, no, no, you
Speaker 1: can't trust that it's fresh. All the products are away. Yes,
Speaker 1: every product that we sell is damp as hell. That
Speaker 1: is our guarantee. Yea bye, and we're back. We were
Speaker 1: just talking about how good we are at advertising products
Speaker 1: and services. I'm I'm proud of us. I'm I'm. We
Speaker 1: were doing a lot of handshaking and popping champagne bottles.
Speaker 1: I love that this industry works the way it does.
Speaker 1: It's great and good and cool. The years in power
Speaker 1: do not seem to have changed Moody. A journalist with
Speaker 1: a New Statesman interviewed a number of people who work
Speaker 1: closely with the Prime Minister, and they all reported more
Speaker 1: or less the same thing. Quote. He is teetotal and
Speaker 1: a vegetarian and lives in almost monastic lifestyle. When told
Speaker 1: me he is extremely focused when he talks to you,
Speaker 1: he really listens. He can focus like a few people
Speaker 1: I know. He calls it a day by eleven and
Speaker 1: gets up at four in the morning. Another aid told
Speaker 1: me he spends the first ninety minutes of the day
Speaker 1: happily surfing the internet for articles about himself. His staff
Speaker 1: starts getting caused by five thirty latest. He's obsessed with
Speaker 1: personal hygienes. Set a third, he changes his clothes at
Speaker 1: least four or five times a day, and he always
Speaker 1: eats alone, always, which is weird in India. Like eating
Speaker 1: together big groups of people is like a really important thing.
Speaker 1: That's a very strange fact um. But also if you
Speaker 1: look at all the pictures of like even the Democratic
Speaker 1: candidates eating, they all look like none of them know
Speaker 1: how to eat food like a normal human being. It's bizarre,
Speaker 1: Like why can't you? Maybe it's just like being photographed
Speaker 1: makes you look weird eating like you just like get
Speaker 1: self conscious. I don't know, I've never had to eat
Speaker 1: on camera. I was gonna say, happily surfing the internet
Speaker 1: for articles about himself. First of all, obviously that is
Speaker 1: what Trump does, But happily is a hilarious thing to
Speaker 1: insert in there, Like I just picture him like going
Speaker 1: like like singing to himself and Mr Blue, Yeah, good times.
Speaker 1: It is, of course impossible to say whether or not
Speaker 1: all this is true, but it plays well with Indian voters,
Speaker 1: particularly young voters who supporting their indraw Moody at unprecedented levels,
Speaker 1: and Moody is already hard at work earning the next
Speaker 1: generation of young votes. He's written a number of books
Speaker 1: that could best be described as dictatorial pop philosophy, and
Speaker 1: had even more written about him that sell him as
Speaker 1: a management guru, essentially across between Tim Ferris and Adolf Hitler,
Speaker 1: who's also a management He was like, he's like Hitler
Speaker 1: two point oh, they're so psyched about it. Moody even
Speaker 1: wrote a book specifically aimed at school aged children called
Speaker 1: Exam Warriors. This book is innocuous enough on the surface,
Speaker 1: and mostly focuses on urging children to study hard, look
Speaker 1: forward to exams, his way to prove and improve themselves,
Speaker 1: and do lots of yoga. Um. It includes an autumount
Speaker 1: of militant word play, though not just in the title
Speaker 1: Exam Warriors, but in chapters with heads like be a warrior,
Speaker 1: not a warrior, and sleep as a great weapon. Sharpen
Speaker 1: it gott to sharpen your sleep. I can't can't get
Speaker 1: to bed without a nice I mean I never sleep
Speaker 1: without a machete. Yeah, I'm holding and I have something
Speaker 1: like I get sharp sleep. I get sharp sleep. I
Speaker 1: got a machete bayonet for one of my rifles. Sharp.
Speaker 1: We should get you a machete. Please. Let's get a
Speaker 1: lot of machetes, a lot more machetes, like, oh, great,
Speaker 1: dangerous narcissists. Moody saw in radio and podcast the ultimate
Speaker 1: opportunity to brainwash the masses. His monthly show mon Kibat
Speaker 1: is hugely popular, and he recently launched the Normindra Moody
Speaker 1: mobile app to further connection to run a monthly show.
Speaker 1: I know, I'm trying to run a monthly show as
Speaker 1: a stand up and it's like it's exhausting, hard to
Speaker 1: find the time. I mean, I think it might be
Speaker 1: easier to be dictator of India than a stands So, yeah,
Speaker 1: dictator is actually the wrong word. We'll get to that
Speaker 1: in a little bit. While Moody's role in the Gouge
Speaker 1: riots saw him condemned by the international community, it seems
Speaker 1: as if nothing he does now will be met by
Speaker 1: any real condemnation around the world. On February, while President
Speaker 1: Donald Trump visited New Delhi, the city was convulsed by
Speaker 1: a wave of mass violence that is probably best described
Speaker 1: an anti Muslim pagram. It started with protest against the
Speaker 1: expansion of the Citizenship Amendment Act. The law MODI used
Speaker 1: to remove the citizenship of some two million Muslim citizens.
Speaker 1: And I'm going to quote now from coverage by the Print,
Speaker 1: an English language Indian news site. This is about how
Speaker 1: the riot started off. Quote. The women sitting in ce
Speaker 1: lamp Or, a Muslim dominated slum area, rightly felt it
Speaker 1: was no use just sitting there. The women decided to
Speaker 1: move their protest to a road underneath the jah RaBaD
Speaker 1: metro station Saturday night. This blocked a road. Unless you
Speaker 1: block a main road, how do you get the attention
Speaker 1: of the main stream. This is not the first time
Speaker 1: a road has been blocked by a group of protesting people,
Speaker 1: but b JPS Kapil Mishra said that the blocking of
Speaker 1: a road was somehow a matter serious enough for the
Speaker 1: people to take law into their own hands. He demanded
Speaker 1: that the road be cleared in both jap RaBaD and
Speaker 1: the nearby Chanda Bag. What unfolded them was a clear
Speaker 1: diabolical plan make it look like a clash between pro
Speaker 1: and anti c a A supporters. The clash goes violent
Speaker 1: Muslims provoked and forced to respond in self defense. It
Speaker 1: looks like a riot used the violence as an excuse
Speaker 1: to clear the protests, the peaceful and democratic protests. When
Speaker 1: the Jaffrabod protest site was cleared, a chop b JP
Speaker 1: RSS leader declared victory. Bils and Thosh is the b
Speaker 1: JPS general secretary a post reserve for the RSS representative.
Speaker 1: Here was his tweet just as news came in off
Speaker 1: the Jaffrabod site being cleared. Jafferbod Metro protest area totally cleared.
Speaker 1: The game starts now. Rioters need to be taught a
Speaker 1: lesson or two of Indian laws. Pretty cool that it's
Speaker 1: a game. Yeah, and san Fosh deleted the tweet later
Speaker 1: and to remove game starts now and replace it with
Speaker 1: time to enforce the law in its entire spirit and
Speaker 1: a new tweet. The mask was a little bit too
Speaker 1: off for him. At least forty two people were killed
Speaker 1: during this game, and probably a lot more, but we
Speaker 1: don't know yet. The vest majority fun game. Fun game.
Speaker 1: I do play a lot of games that kill forty
Speaker 1: two people, but everyone everyone knows when we play knife tennis,
Speaker 1: you know there's a risk. Sometimes you get you have
Speaker 1: people sign the waivers. Sign the waivers with a knife.
Speaker 1: It's the only way. Yeah, forty two were killed, the
Speaker 1: best majority of the Muslims and once again the police
Speaker 1: stood by or actively aided the mobs. It is not
Speaker 1: a coincidence. The Delhi Police report directly to the Home
Speaker 1: Minister of India one A'mit shaw. As I write this,
Speaker 1: the fallout from this program has not fully fallen out.
Speaker 1: It took three days for Moody to even make a
Speaker 1: statement on the matter. The Delhi police have made a
Speaker 1: lot of noise about holding reconciliation meetings to try and
Speaker 1: de radicalize people. And it is worth noting that Moody's
Speaker 1: muted response a tweet that said we cannot allow vested
Speaker 1: interest groups to divide us and create disturbance smacked more
Speaker 1: than a little bit of fear and uncertainty and a
Speaker 1: mass expulsion of public rage that he and his party
Speaker 1: inspired but cannot fully control. Because the frightening reality of
Speaker 1: the situation in India today is that while Narendra Moody
Speaker 1: enjoys almost unchecked power, he's not really a dictator. It
Speaker 1: seems more accurate to say that he and his propaganda
Speaker 1: have inflamed a huge chunk of the electorate enough that
Speaker 1: they have vested him with unprecedented power, so long as
Speaker 1: he uses it to hurt the people. He has worked
Speaker 1: to convince them they hate. One of the journalists The
Speaker 1: New Yorker talked to guy named Prasad, the editor of
Speaker 1: an Indian magazine called Outlook, said this of his country.
Speaker 1: It's very different now. The institutions of crumbled universities, investigative agencies,
Speaker 1: the courts, the media, the administrative agencies, public services. And
Speaker 1: I think there is no rational answer for what has
Speaker 1: happened except that we pretended not to be what we
Speaker 1: were for fifty sixty years, but we are now reverting
Speaker 1: to what we always wanted to be, which is to
Speaker 1: pummel minorities, to push them into a corner, to show
Speaker 1: them their places, to conquer Kashmir, to ruin the media,
Speaker 1: and to make corporation servants of the state, and all
Speaker 1: of this under a heavy resurgence of Hinduism. India is
Speaker 1: becoming the country it has always wanted to be. That's
Speaker 1: eerie and sad. Yeah, hopefully not true. Hopefully not true.
Speaker 1: But I do find a lot I identify with in
Speaker 1: this fear of life. We're not reverting here in the US,
Speaker 1: you know, to the way we were before the civil
Speaker 1: rights movement, before the the LGBT rights movement, before all
Speaker 1: these gains were made, were becoming the country. A lot
Speaker 1: of us always wanted us to be like, that's terrifying, thought.
Speaker 1: It is cooling good, Sophia, how you feeling feeling good?
Speaker 1: Feeling good as hell? Yeah, stab myself with this, n
Speaker 1: don't do that. Don't do that, you know what, keep
Speaker 1: it ready for a Nazi. It's true, if I go,
Speaker 1: taking at least one Nazi with me, that is what
Speaker 1: George orwell, there's a fun quote from Georgie like that.
Speaker 1: I said, if I go, if I go, because I
Speaker 1: believe believe in the singularity, And I'm like, well, if
Speaker 1: we don't all die, I'll be We've got to get
Speaker 1: rid of the fascial before the singularity, otherwise we get
Speaker 1: fascist robots. Truth. Yeah, I don't want that. That doesn't
Speaker 1: sound terrifying. Yeah, I mean fascists are also really inefficient,
Speaker 1: So maybe like a machine would be fundamentally anti fascist
Speaker 1: because it's just frustrated by the inefficiencies that they generate
Speaker 1: and into system they control, or if the machines did
Speaker 1: our eyes against us and they were fascists that because
Speaker 1: they're so poorly made, there would be like one flaw
Speaker 1: that would be very easy to hack and they would
Speaker 1: just all die at the same time. Either that or
Speaker 1: we'd wind up in like an I have no mouth,
Speaker 1: but I must scream sort of situation. Oh no, yeah again,
Speaker 1: this is like a ship streak. Yeah, it's let me
Speaker 1: have a silver lining, dude, turn into a ship streak
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