1 00:00:01,840 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 1: What's blowing jobs my party. Thank you. That was wonderful. 2 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:09,160 Speaker 1: Thank you. There's a good lead into part two of 3 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: our new so pleased with an intro. I know, I 4 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 1: really now don't wonderful. Thank you. I crave on prep. Yeah, 5 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:18,600 Speaker 1: I think I like it enough to make him treasurer 6 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 1: of the b JP. I got your treasure of the 7 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 1: b j P. Also our guests, if you Alexandra, Hi everyone, 8 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 1: I'm so happy to be here. Thanks for having me back. 9 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 1: Thanks for coming back minutes after we finished the first episode. 10 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:34,199 Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean I almost took off. This has 11 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 1: been a rough one. I mean it's it's not a 12 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 1: lot of dead children. It is, but we don't talk 13 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:46,199 Speaker 1: about all of them. Yeah, that's yeah, we don't detail it. 14 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:49,560 Speaker 1: That's a silver lining, but it stay in just a 15 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:52,880 Speaker 1: silver lining. A lot of dead children, but we don't 16 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 1: have to talk about them specifically. We could just say 17 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 1: two or three thousand dead and not get more specifically 18 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 1: that friend Yeah, sometimes the truest form of friendship is 19 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:07,119 Speaker 1: not going into more detail about horrible ethnic cleansings than 20 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 1: you need to. I mean, it's what I put on 21 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 1: our T shirts. But it's a lot of words. Yeah, 22 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 1: it has to go all the way on the sleeves 23 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:19,319 Speaker 1: and the back, but a lot hop onto behind the bastards. 24 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 1: T public for our new ethnic cleansing is horrible, but 25 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 1: there's only a certain amount of detail that's really necessary 26 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:27,639 Speaker 1: to get across the key facts of what's happening without 27 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:31,400 Speaker 1: getting into you know, uh, what's the word when somebody 28 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 1: like looks at a car crash that sort of thing. 29 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 1: A lot of words on those T shirts, but that 30 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 1: shirt also has you saying of five times in a row, 31 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:42,399 Speaker 1: like it's quoted. Yeah, it's not. We should have edited 32 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 1: the shirt at some point. No, But honestly, we were 33 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 1: going for realism. We were cinema verite. That's what that means. 34 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 1: It's putting ums on a T shirt on fiance miles 35 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 1: and I call that a transparency bonus. Oh nice's intentional. Yeah. 36 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 1: In the wake of the Gujrat riots, Narendra Modi was 37 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 1: shunned and marginalized and broader Indian society both in Gujrat itself, 38 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 1: his popularity grew. Some of this may have had to 39 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:10,919 Speaker 1: do with the fact the Muslim population of the area 40 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:14,240 Speaker 1: had been beaten, murdered and ghettoed into political irrelevance bad 41 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 1: sounds tight we had at most of it had to 42 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 1: do with the fact that violent bigotry is actually super 43 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 1: fun when you're on the side of the majority. See, 44 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 1: Moody is a very intelligent man, and he grasped instinctively 45 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 1: that the most important lesson that any would be tyrant 46 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 1: can ever learn, which is never ever apologize. So instead 47 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:35,680 Speaker 1: of that, he followed up this nightmarish blood letting with 48 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 1: a Hindu pride march across the state. Ranks and ranks 49 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 1: of uniformed RSS members celebrated their violent oppression of the 50 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 1: Muslim minority and were met by cheering crowds. He was 51 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 1: careful in his actual language, always delivering the message that 52 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:50,080 Speaker 1: without exposing too much of his ass, saying things like 53 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:52,960 Speaker 1: if we raise the self respected morale, a fifty million 54 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 1: gujratis the schemes of Ali's, Moli's and Jamali's will not 55 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:58,920 Speaker 1: be able to do us any harm. Those are all 56 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:02,640 Speaker 1: like stereotypical of Muslim names in India. Do you see 57 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:06,920 Speaker 1: what he's saying? I just he doubled down on the genocide. 58 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 1: He sure did, which is a real power move, a 59 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 1: white power move. White power move. You might say Airy 60 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 1: in power. Let's let's get a little more specific. Yeah, 61 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 1: wal Nor Render solidified his base of power. The rest 62 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 1: of the b JP suffered a series of electoral reversals. 63 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 1: This also wound up working out for Moody. The more 64 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:28,640 Speaker 1: liberal wings of the party crumbled in the wake of 65 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:32,079 Speaker 1: these defeats, and while they flailed, Moody pressed forward in 66 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 1: guj Rot and made deals with the biggest businessmen in 67 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 1: the region. He made life easy for them and they 68 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 1: pumped more money into guj Rot's economy, allowing him to 69 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 1: brag that he developed Gugrot into a financial powerhouse during 70 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 1: his time in office. That's a real trump yep boast. 71 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 1: Kind of sounds like they're all working from the same 72 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 1: play book. Over time, Moody seized control of the b 73 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 1: JP and married it's hardline racist, fascist DNA with the 74 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 1: financial interests of the business class. And I'm gonna quote 75 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 1: now from an article in the News Statesman. The turning 76 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 1: point came in October two thousand and eight when Tata 77 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 1: Motors moved its car plant for its much publicized new 78 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 1: budget hatchback the NANO from the leftist dominated West Bengal 79 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 1: to the pro business guz Rot. In two thousand eleven, 80 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 1: Ford invested one billion dollars in setting up another car plant. 81 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 1: Before long, Gugrot started to make headlines not for riots, 82 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:19,840 Speaker 1: but for its new image as an economic powerhouse. From 83 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 1: to that just like mine com really wasn't about no, 84 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:26,479 Speaker 1: it's about business tilling. It was really just a self 85 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 1: help business kind of yeah, exactly. From two thousand three, 86 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:33,840 Speaker 1: Modi began holding an annual summit Vibrant guz Rot, which 87 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 1: cumulatively generated investment pledges of NWY billion. All the prominent, Yeah, 88 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 1: all the most prominent Indian captains of industry, from Matan 89 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 1: Tata to the Ambani's and the Mittal's rallied behind Mody 90 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 1: and declared him India's most business friendly chief Minister. Guzrot 91 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 1: now enjoys double digit growth and there's no question that 92 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 1: Mody has run an economically successful administration. However, his claims 93 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:57,599 Speaker 1: to have made the state's economy and ideal for the 94 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 1: rest of India is disputed by economists to point out 95 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,360 Speaker 1: that the gouge Rot model has done little to alleviate 96 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:06,039 Speaker 1: poverty or improve indexes of education, malnutrition, or healthcare because 97 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 1: the money does not people down because Drick gold Down 98 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 1: Thery is not a real thing. But if you can 99 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 1: make the numbers look good on paper, you can get 100 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:17,160 Speaker 1: people to vote for you because they think they'll get 101 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:20,279 Speaker 1: some of that money, and then genocide it gets to happen. 102 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 1: It's cool. It's cool that it always works. When the 103 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 1: wealthiest men and goug Rot saw how good Moody could 104 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:28,920 Speaker 1: be for business, they put their money into making sure 105 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:31,920 Speaker 1: the few thousand people have gotten murdered were forgotten. There 106 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:34,279 Speaker 1: was an investigation, of course, but the Indian Supreme Court 107 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 1: decided there wasn't enough evidence to charge Moody himself of anything. 108 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 1: That's so crazy. It's like, we tried, but like there's 109 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 1: nothing to tie you to the genocide. So it's like 110 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:47,159 Speaker 1: so weird. There's no evidence but you're basically free. That's 111 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:51,480 Speaker 1: so crazy. That's wild. Yeah, some officials within the government 112 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 1: did try to take action against Moody. Hern Pondia, a 113 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 1: can't minister, gave sworn testimony about the riots, claiming that 114 00:05:57,520 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 1: on the night it all began, he had attended a 115 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 1: meeting at moody home and heard the Chief Minister tell 116 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:05,280 Speaker 1: police officials to allow people to vent their frustration and 117 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:07,479 Speaker 1: not come in the way of the Hindu backlash. Yeah, 118 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 1: it's a good switchblade moment. Sanjiv Bought. A police administrator 119 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 1: also testified to hearing Moody express similar sentiments, discussing his 120 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:17,040 Speaker 1: hope that the Muslims be taught a lesson to ensure 121 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 1: that such incidents do not recur. The evidence was there, 122 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 1: but most of Moody's political rivals were too frightened of 123 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 1: the consequences of pursuing him to the fullest extent of 124 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 1: the law. They decided to take their chances with the 125 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:34,280 Speaker 1: electoral system and the hope that you really never should 126 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 1: you never decide not to fully pursue criminal charges against 127 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:41,920 Speaker 1: a fascist because you're worried about the backlash socially and 128 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:44,839 Speaker 1: decided to just trust in voters. Turns out that doesn't 129 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:48,239 Speaker 1: ever work. Yeah, gotta be on the right side of history. 130 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 1: Gotta throw then you can't wait until someone else is 131 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 1: like this is bad. So uh. Meanwhile, Moody and his 132 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:00,159 Speaker 1: followers set to work eliminating the men who test to 133 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 1: fight against them, but was quickly charged with the death 134 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 1: of a suspect and police custody and sentenced to life 135 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 1: in prison. Hira and Pandya was found dead in his 136 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 1: car in two thousand three. His wife insisted this day 137 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 1: that his death was a political murder. So that's cool. 138 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 1: There's allowing to be a lot more of those. Moody 139 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 1: angrily ignored questions about the riots for years. One of 140 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 1: the most direct responses he actually did make came in 141 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 1: two thousand thirteen, when a reporter asked him if he 142 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 1: felt sorry for all the Muslims who'd been murdered by 143 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 1: those mobs he enabled. Moody responded, if someone is driving 144 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 1: a car and we're sitting behind, even then, if a 145 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 1: puppy comes under the wheel, will it be painful? Of 146 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 1: course it is. What what if you're sitting by someone 147 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 1: in a car and they hit a puppy? Does it 148 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 1: hurt you to see? Yes, But that's the same as 149 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 1: him enabling this mob that killed three things. Not even 150 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 1: an analogy. It's it's pretty great. That's like sentences that 151 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 1: don't form a whole story. I mean, there's definitely like 152 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 1: some translation makes no sense stuff here like that he 153 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 1: originally said it. I'm guessing and like Karatti or whatever. 154 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 1: So it's like, you know, there's probably maybe it made 155 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 1: more sense than the original language, but like he did 156 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: it though, because it doesn't seem to address the fact 157 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 1: it was always a bullshit response. I just think the 158 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 1: phrasing is a little weird, not just mean. There's no 159 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 1: part of it where he's like what he's saying is 160 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 1: that like his role in letting the letting it enabling 161 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 1: these models? Why are the Muslims though the puppy where 162 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 1: and he's like still a human in the analogy, why 163 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:32,439 Speaker 1: are the Muslims? And a good boy is just confusing. 164 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:35,439 Speaker 1: He's like, I am a man, but in this story, 165 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 1: the Muslims are a puppy, and sometimes puppies get hit 166 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 1: by cars and you don't like to see it, so 167 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:45,440 Speaker 1: you don't care driving the car which he's behind. Yeah, 168 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 1: he was totally sense and like, no, you're the driver 169 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:51,959 Speaker 1: and they're not a puppy, they're a man, and you 170 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 1: just ran over the man. So I don't really understand why. 171 00:08:57,800 --> 00:08:59,440 Speaker 1: I get what he was trying to make it different 172 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 1: because think of Muslims as people. But it's like that 173 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:05,560 Speaker 1: Simpson's bit where Liona Huts is like, yeah, this judge 174 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:07,720 Speaker 1: doesn't like me because I hit his dog with my car. 175 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:10,719 Speaker 1: Only replaced the word dog with the words son and 176 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 1: replaced the word hit with repeatedly that's a good bit, 177 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 1: oh boy. Moody's popularity was further augmented in two thousand 178 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 1: five when Gut police announced that they had shot dead 179 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:25,080 Speaker 1: a terrorist they believed had been planning to assassinate Neurindra 180 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 1: sa Buddin Chic. The dead man was said to have 181 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:31,200 Speaker 1: been a member of an Islamic terrorist cell collaborating with 182 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 1: the I s I Pakistani intelligence. Gujarati police claimed sar 183 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:37,199 Speaker 1: Buddin had opened fire on them when they had caught him, 184 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 1: and they've been forced to fire back and kill him. 185 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 1: None of this was true, and it soon became clear 186 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 1: that the whole affair had been blatantly orchestrated by the authorities. 187 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:47,319 Speaker 1: And I'm gonna quote now from scroll dot Ian and 188 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 1: Indian News website. Those were the years when Gujat was 189 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:53,320 Speaker 1: scarred by several such encounters. The police killed more than 190 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:55,440 Speaker 1: twenty people claiming they were trying to murder the Chief 191 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:57,719 Speaker 1: Minister or commit other acts of terrorism, and a few 192 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 1: of these cases was the police's version effectively challenged. Shake's 193 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 1: killing would have become just another statistic and forgotten police records, 194 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:07,560 Speaker 1: except for two interventions. First, Rubba Buddin Shaik wrote to 195 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 1: India's Chief Justice that he did not believe the police's 196 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 1: version of his brother's killing and that he was worried 197 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:14,560 Speaker 1: for the safety of kawser B s A Buddin Shake's wife, 198 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:17,840 Speaker 1: who disappeared since her husband's killing. In response, the Supreme 199 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 1: Court told the Gugrot police to find out how Shake 200 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 1: had been killed and what had happened to his wife. Second, 201 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 1: Preshant Daal, a journalist for the Dba Vashgar Paper newspaper, 202 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:29,440 Speaker 1: published a sensational report claiming senior guz Rot police officials 203 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 1: had deliberately killed Shake and then rape and burned alive 204 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:37,680 Speaker 1: his wife. Holy shit, Yeah, it's fucked. So a thorough 205 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 1: investigation would eventually secure the admission of the Gujrat government's 206 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:44,199 Speaker 1: legal counsel that the whole shooting had been a fake encounter. 207 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:47,080 Speaker 1: The motorcycle that police claimed Shake had been writing at 208 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:48,839 Speaker 1: the time of the shootout turned out to be owned 209 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 1: by a relative of one of the cops who killed him. 210 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:53,320 Speaker 1: As the crime was dug into. That's not even a 211 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 1: good cover up, No, it was not a good guy. 212 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:59,679 Speaker 1: You gets someone who's not directly involved with what is 213 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 1: one of the frustrating things about fascism is how lazy 214 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 1: they're allowed to be and can still get away with it. Yeah, 215 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:10,080 Speaker 1: it's very frustrating. So as the crime was dug into 216 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:12,720 Speaker 1: ultimate blame for planning all this eventually settled on the 217 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 1: shoulders of Ahmed Shaw, a government minister in Narendra Moody's 218 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:19,680 Speaker 1: right hand man. The state investigation eventually revealed that Shaw 219 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 1: had been running a massive extortion racket through the Gujrati Police. 220 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 1: Shake had been a part of this racket, and for 221 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 1: one reason or another, Shaw had decided that killing him 222 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 1: would be good for business. And since he was going 223 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 1: to commit murder, he figured he might as well make 224 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 1: the murdered man's death work for his political patron. So 225 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 1: he was like, oh, we'll just say this guy was 226 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:38,319 Speaker 1: planning to kill Moody. It'll buffer Moody's popularity and we'll 227 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:40,720 Speaker 1: get rid of this guy. All of this took years 228 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:42,679 Speaker 1: to properly dig up, though, and the slow drip of 229 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:46,319 Speaker 1: unimpeachable evidence of Moody and Shaw's shameless violent corruption had 230 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:49,719 Speaker 1: no impact on their political futures. Instead, Moody grew more 231 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 1: popular year after year. He was reelected as Chief Minister 232 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 1: of Gujrat in two thousand seven. During his campaign, he 233 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:58,200 Speaker 1: deliberately mocked his political opponents for trying to prosecute him 234 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 1: from murder, saying at one rally, congress people say that 235 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 1: Moody is indulging in encounters, saying that Moody killed Sora Buddin. 236 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 1: You tell me what should I do with Sora Budden. 237 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 1: He asked, kill him. The crowdared killed him, so kill him. 238 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 1: They said, yeah, that's cool. By two twelve, it really 239 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:19,080 Speaker 1: is like Trump rallies. It's very much the same, insanely erie. 240 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 1: All of them are the same person, just in different bodies. Yeah. 241 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 1: By two thousand twelve, this guy had a nicer body 242 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 1: than Trump. It's not a high bar, That's what I 243 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:31,439 Speaker 1: was about. It was like, uh, that body is failing 244 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 1: on every level. It's not doing great. It's like a diaper, 245 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 1: but a person good time. By two thousand twelve, and 246 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 1: a dramody stood at the very top of the b 247 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 1: j P, and the b j P was one of 248 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 1: the most powerful parties in the country, with tens of 249 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 1: millions of members. Moody announced his campaign for Prime Minister 250 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 1: near the end of two thousand thirteen, and I'm gonna 251 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 1: quote again from The New Yorker. Here he sold himself 252 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:59,360 Speaker 1: not as a crusading nationalist, but as a master manager 253 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:01,679 Speaker 1: at the visionary who had presided over an economic boom 254 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 1: in Gujrat. His campaign slogan was the good days are coming. 255 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:08,680 Speaker 1: A close look at the data showed that Gurot's economy 256 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 1: had grown no faster under his administration. The dog days 257 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:17,840 Speaker 1: are over and he's saying it, yeah, a little bit yeah. 258 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 1: A close look at the data showed that Gurot's economy 259 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:23,080 Speaker 1: had grown no faster under his administration than under previous ones. 260 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 1: The accelerated growth was a fantastically crafted fiction, even so, 261 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 1: many of India's largest businesses flooded his campaign with contributions. 262 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:33,599 Speaker 1: Moody was helped by an overwhelming public perception that the 263 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:35,439 Speaker 1: Congress Party, which had been in power from most of 264 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 1: the past half century, had grown arrogant and corrupt. Its 265 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:41,680 Speaker 1: complacency was personified by the Gandhi family, whose members dominated 266 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:44,720 Speaker 1: the party but appeared diffident and out of touch. Rahul Gandhi, 267 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 1: the head of the party and Nehru's great grandson, was 268 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:50,599 Speaker 1: dubbed the reluctant prince by the Indian media. By contrast, 269 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 1: Moody and his team were disciplined, focused and responsive. The 270 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 1: Gandhi's would keep chief ministers who had traveled across the 271 00:13:56,920 --> 00:13:59,320 Speaker 1: country to see them waiting for days. They didn't care. 272 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 1: An Indian plitical commentator who has met with the Gandhi's 273 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:04,319 Speaker 1: as well as Moody, told me, with Moody's people, you 274 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:08,680 Speaker 1: got right in. So, like Moody, number one, access and 275 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:15,440 Speaker 1: availability trumps yep, trumps being an out of touch political 276 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 1: elite who just tells, trust me, I know what I'm doing. 277 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 1: We've been at this for a while. Um yeah, yeah, yeah. 278 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 1: It turns out that works. And also, you know, when 279 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 1: you're trying to get elected for the first time as 280 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 1: a fascist, you you you button down a little bit 281 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 1: on their racism and focused on I'm a good manager. 282 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be good for the economy. I'm a good businessman. Yeah. 283 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 1: A huge amount of the b JP success had to 284 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 1: do with the casual corruption and elitism many Indians perceived 285 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 1: from the Congress Party. Most of their highest officials came 286 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 1: from families who had dominated Indian politics since the nation 287 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 1: got its independence. The actors of power was there's by 288 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 1: right of birth. The men of the b JP, however, 289 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 1: portrayed themselves less as aristocrats and more as humble warrior monks. 290 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 1: They were cheap, simple clothing and avoided displays of wealth. 291 00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:00,120 Speaker 1: There and Drew Moody talked regularly about the hour of 292 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 1: yoga he did every day and repeatedly emphasized his simple 293 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 1: life and noble refusal to fuck anybody. So that's good. Yeah, 294 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 1: this may seem odd, but Moody's refusal to have a 295 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 1: family meant that he had no distractions from work, and 296 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 1: that's the image, the hard working, religiously dedicated aesthetic that 297 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 1: played for Indian voters. It's anyone's guess as to whether 298 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 1: or not Moody really is the man he portrays himself 299 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 1: to be, but it's possible that he actually is. One 300 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:28,040 Speaker 1: political commentator told The New Yorker, when you have that 301 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 1: kind of power, that kind of adoration, you don't need romance. 302 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 1: I mean, I just feel like the members of the 303 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 1: b j P should really have exploded on the scene more. Yeah. Sorry, 304 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 1: they should have come into power. Yeah, you're better at 305 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 1: this than me. They should have ejaculated on Parliament no, 306 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 1: that didn't work. They should have really focused on stimulating 307 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 1: the head of their party, stimulating the head and sort 308 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 1: of making a cream pie of the different branches. So 309 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 1: many people, we do, we do? We do? We do? 310 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 1: Where the hell was I here? The b JP won 311 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 1: the popular vote and Moody, it's leader became Prime Minister. 312 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 1: He immediately set to work dealing with problems the prior 313 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 1: government had ignored. Chief among them was public defecation. This 314 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 1: is like this is but the India's like fucking huge. 315 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 1: It's like the biggest, It's one of the biggest countries 316 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 1: on the planet. And like this is not just like 317 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 1: a sort of because of the lack of a lot 318 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 1: of like good plumbing and stuff, it's often a lot 319 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 1: of people consider it cleaner to go out in public, 320 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 1: but like then you wind up like this stuff spreads disease. 321 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 1: Like it was a big problem. And I was mostly 322 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 1: just laughing because I thought that it would be amazing 323 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 1: if that problem only circulated around the b j P headquarters, 324 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 1: because people were like fuck you and just around it 325 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 1: and they're like, we have this really weird public defecation problem, 326 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 1: and like the rest of the city is totally clean. 327 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:07,159 Speaker 1: They're like, yeah, but it's just like ships running in 328 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 1: the streets. People are like, no, no, it's no, it's 329 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 1: not just fortunately not. It was a problem and they 330 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:18,359 Speaker 1: decided to deal with it um and again in the 331 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 1: traditional way that you see with this. They like launched 332 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 1: a thing that looked really good but was less effective 333 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 1: than it actually wound up being, but allowed them to 334 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:27,480 Speaker 1: like publicly claimed that they were making great strides. So 335 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:30,119 Speaker 1: in one of his first speeches in Delhi, Nedromodi promised 336 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 1: to launch a nationwide campaign to build public toilets and 337 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 1: every school. In sixty months, hundred and ten million toilets 338 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 1: were constructed, serving more than sixty million Indians. It was 339 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:43,160 Speaker 1: probably the largest fastest toilet building program in world. Are 340 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:46,199 Speaker 1: just fascist building? It also does that too, yeah, building, 341 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:49,720 Speaker 1: And it's hard to fault Moody on at least the 342 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:52,440 Speaker 1: idea of adding more public toilets to India, but its 343 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:55,440 Speaker 1: execution and its efficacy were distinctly mixed. And I'm gonna 344 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:58,200 Speaker 1: quote now from a Voice of American news right up. Quote. 345 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:01,199 Speaker 1: Critics however, charged that over zealous government workers may have 346 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:03,359 Speaker 1: inflated the number, since a deadline had been set for 347 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 1: declaring India open defecation free by October two hundred, fiftieth 348 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 1: birthday of Mahatma Gandhi, the leader of India's independent struggle. 349 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 1: The entire movement happened in a mission mode. There were 350 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 1: targets to achieve, according to Nazarka, Lead, a New Delhi 351 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 1: research fellow at the Research Institute for Compassionate Economics, a 352 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 1: nonprofit that works on child and sanitation issues in India. 353 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:23,920 Speaker 1: He charges in some places, people were coerced into building 354 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 1: toilets by local authorities who wanted to demonstrate progress. A 355 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 1: study conducted last year by the group and four of 356 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 1: India's biggest states found that access to household toilets increased 357 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:36,439 Speaker 1: from thirty seven percent into this in fourteen to last year. However, 358 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:38,879 Speaker 1: roughly one quarter of people who owned a toilet continued 359 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:41,560 Speaker 1: to defecate in the open. They considered it wholesome and 360 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 1: healthy and an opportunity to get some fresh air or 361 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 1: see their fields. So I thought that was going to 362 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:49,679 Speaker 1: be in see their friends. I was like, damn, just 363 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:53,879 Speaker 1: pooping and talking. That's pretty ann P and T, A 364 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 1: little bit of P and T for the b j P. 365 00:18:56,480 --> 00:19:01,360 Speaker 1: That's a that's a merch shirt, that's for sure. We're noticed. 366 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 1: How how good I slice this like you did? You 367 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 1: sliced it great. We're playing with knives when we talk 368 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:10,440 Speaker 1: about fascism, and I really did a great job with mine. 369 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 1: I'm very proud of you. And you know what else, 370 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:16,160 Speaker 1: I'm proud of these goods and services. Absolutely, I am 371 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:18,920 Speaker 1: so proud of these goods and services. I have no children, 372 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 1: but in a way, all of the products and services 373 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 1: that we advertise are my children. And by in a way, 374 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 1: I mean in a literal way, and that I I 375 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:31,199 Speaker 1: have fucked the parent companies in order to produce the 376 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 1: products that you can now buy. So you are purchasing 377 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:37,680 Speaker 1: the spawn of my alloyance when you buy what Sophie, 378 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 1: this is how you sell sofiellos wine. I never needed 379 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:49,480 Speaker 1: to hear this. This podcast is built on freedom time 380 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:59,680 Speaker 1: for ads. We're back. We're back after that flawless ad break, 381 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 1: and so Fia is now holding two knives. The very 382 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 1: ready to continue here. So the toilet building project had 383 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 1: a debatable impact, but it achieved its real purpose, which 384 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 1: was to give Moody a strong out of the gate 385 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 1: win that made him look like a decisive and powerful leader, 386 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:21,480 Speaker 1: and since it was impossible to make more toilets into 387 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 1: a partisan issue, there was nothing his opponents could do 388 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:26,119 Speaker 1: but kind of hand him that win. Uh. And Moody 389 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:29,199 Speaker 1: scored another early victory when he attacked India's massive problem 390 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:31,600 Speaker 1: with gang rape. In two thousand twelve, twenty three year 391 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:33,640 Speaker 1: old woman had been raped and tortured by six men 392 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:37,080 Speaker 1: on a public bus. She died of her Oh yeah, 393 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 1: it was it was this. It was a huge story internationally. 394 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:42,159 Speaker 1: It happened like right before I went there. Um And 395 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:44,359 Speaker 1: it was still like the big topic of discussion in 396 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:45,960 Speaker 1: Delhi at the time. And it was this kind of 397 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 1: like horrible, horrible crime that catalyzed the fact that like 398 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:52,199 Speaker 1: India had a major problem with gang rape. Um. And 399 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 1: so this is like this makes the international news. India 400 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 1: gets like criticized for it worldwide, and like it is 401 00:20:57,320 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 1: something that has to be addressed. Um. And I hate 402 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 1: to give Moody credit for anything, but his first public 403 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 1: speech on the issue, he actually gave a really good statement. 404 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:09,920 Speaker 1: He told a crowd parents asked their daughters hundreds of questions, 405 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:12,159 Speaker 1: but if any dared to ask their sons where they 406 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:15,440 Speaker 1: are going, which is like kind of the right way 407 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 1: to lean it drop for that fascist. Yeah, one good thing. 408 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 1: Yeah he handles this that he handles talking about that. Well, 409 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:25,479 Speaker 1: I mean, Hiller was a vegetarian. We gotta give him. 410 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:27,800 Speaker 1: He was pretty good. He was anti animal testing too. 411 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:31,400 Speaker 1: So with stories like that coming out of the early 412 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:33,480 Speaker 1: days of Moody's reign, it was hard for the world 413 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:35,199 Speaker 1: to stay mad at him for the minor issue of 414 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:37,720 Speaker 1: helping to orchestrate inside three months of bloody riots that 415 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:40,359 Speaker 1: killed thousands of people and ethnically cleansed large chunks of 416 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 1: a major state. He said, the woke thing. So we're good. 417 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:48,360 Speaker 1: This is the day Moody became Prime minister. Oh Man, Yeah. 418 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:51,640 Speaker 1: According to the New Yorker quote, Moody's effort to transform 419 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:53,399 Speaker 1: his image succeeded in the West as well. In the 420 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:57,159 Speaker 1: United States, newspaper columnists welcome his emphasis on markets and efficiency. 421 00:21:57,359 --> 00:21:59,440 Speaker 1: In addition, Moody called on a vast network of Indian 422 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:02,480 Speaker 1: Americans cheered to success at putting India on the world stage. 423 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 1: The Obama administration quietly dropped the visa ban when Moody 424 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 1: meat Obama not long after taking office. The two visited 425 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:10,920 Speaker 1: the memorial to Martin Luther King Jr. A man Moody 426 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 1: claimed to admire. During his stay, Moody had a dinner 427 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:15,879 Speaker 1: meeting with Obama, but he presented White House chefs with 428 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 1: a dilemma. He was fasting for Navaratri, a Hindu festival. 429 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:22,760 Speaker 1: At the meeting, he consumed only water, which obviously like 430 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:25,080 Speaker 1: makes him look really good, is very religious bases, like 431 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:26,920 Speaker 1: he's not even going to eat at this this White 432 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:30,639 Speaker 1: House feast and stuff. So pretty awkward to have a 433 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 1: full dinner in front of a man that's just like, 434 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:35,359 Speaker 1: now I'll have water. Thanks. You knew when this meeting 435 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:38,880 Speaker 1: was happening. We could have like a different schedule. We're 436 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 1: not dinner, Like we don't invite a lot of like 437 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 1: the leaders of Muslim countries over during Ramadan, or if 438 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:45,959 Speaker 1: we do, we do like the night thing that you're 439 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:47,920 Speaker 1: supposed to do, Like we could have worked this out, 440 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:53,240 Speaker 1: but could have just done like a tea meeting. He 441 00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 1: might not be allowed to consume tea during it kind 442 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,400 Speaker 1: of depends like the different levels of fast. Well, never mind, 443 00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 1: should have just rescheduled. Yeah, well. Moody's early days were 444 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:03,919 Speaker 1: relatively unproblematic. On the outside. There were numerous clear signs 445 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:05,880 Speaker 1: that he was still exactly as much of a fascist 446 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 1: as he's always been. The trial of his old buddy 447 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 1: I'm at Shaw over the murder of Sora Budin Shake 448 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:12,600 Speaker 1: was still going on at this point, but in two 449 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 1: thousand fourteen, Modi's first full year in power, show just 450 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 1: stopped showing up to court. The judge ordered him to appear, 451 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:21,920 Speaker 1: and in response, the government removed the judge from the case. 452 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 1: So Shaw got a new judge named bridge Go Paul Lawyer, 453 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 1: and this judge also complained about Shah's refusal to come 454 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 1: to court. He confessed to his friends and family that 455 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:33,399 Speaker 1: he'd been offered sixteen million dollars from the Chief Justice 456 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:35,960 Speaker 1: of the Bombay High Court to drop the case. That's 457 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:38,879 Speaker 1: a lot. That is a lot of money. Lawyer refused 458 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:41,359 Speaker 1: because he was a good judge, and then he died 459 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:44,920 Speaker 1: conveniently of a heart attack. The Caravan and Indian News 460 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 1: magazine reported on some peculiarities about how the judge's body 461 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 1: was returned to his family. Rather than the arrangements being 462 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 1: made by government officials like you'd expect for a government employee, 463 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 1: they were handled by the RSS and his corps arrived 464 00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:00,240 Speaker 1: back at home covered in blood A lot of equal 465 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:03,640 Speaker 1: suspect maybe it wasn't a heart attack. They didn't even 466 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 1: bother to wipe the blood off saying how they were like, yeah, 467 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:12,480 Speaker 1: we don't give up. It's frustrating because, like I've gotten 468 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 1: to a lot of protests were like thousands of activists 469 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:17,200 Speaker 1: organized for weeks and held like a mostly peaceful event, 470 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,199 Speaker 1: but like one kid tosses a rock and that's like 471 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:22,040 Speaker 1: the whole story. Whereas like fascists get to like murder 472 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 1: people and send their bloody corpses back to their family 473 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:27,600 Speaker 1: and everyone's like, yeah, but the economy, it's very frustrating, 474 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:31,400 Speaker 1: very frustrating, cool and good, It's what I meant to say. 475 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:35,639 Speaker 1: Shah's case was given to a third judge named Gosavi, 476 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,119 Speaker 1: who dismissed all the charges after about a month. Um, 477 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 1: that's so weird, that's so weird. Did the pittsporaldecessor's bloody 478 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:45,120 Speaker 1: corpse have anything to do with this decision? Might have been? 479 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:47,439 Speaker 1: Might have been? And while all this was going on, 480 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 1: Norindra Moody went ahead and made Amshaw the president of 481 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:52,880 Speaker 1: the b JP, making him the second most powerful man 482 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:56,119 Speaker 1: in the country. Over the next few years, Moody and 483 00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 1: his followers consolidated power, killing her, sidelining judges who worked 484 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 1: against them, and or frustrating a vast campaign of suppression 485 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 1: against the press. Good journalists have been the chief enemy 486 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:06,680 Speaker 1: of Narendra Moody from day one, and the b j 487 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 1: P set up a sophisticated cyber harassment campaign to shut 488 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,400 Speaker 1: down or scare off anyone who might speak out against them. 489 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:15,320 Speaker 1: Naha Dixit, a reporter, told The New Yorker. Every day 490 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:18,159 Speaker 1: I get three notifications with Dick pis and with conversations 491 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 1: about how they should rape me with a steel rod 492 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,919 Speaker 1: or a rose thorn bush or something like that. And 493 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 1: obviously the worst of the abuses saved for female journalists 494 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 1: who have been kind of at the forefront of attacking 495 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 1: modes regime, very brave women reporters in India. Dixit's abuse 496 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:36,440 Speaker 1: does not just come from random Moody bros. Online. Official 497 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 1: representatives of the b JP regularly tweet abuse to her, 498 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:42,639 Speaker 1: suggesting that that this behavior is officially condoned by the party. 499 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 1: The New Yorker continues. Partixin, a former software engineer and 500 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,719 Speaker 1: the founder of alt News, which tracks online disinformation, described 501 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,240 Speaker 1: a nimble social media operation that works on behalf of 502 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:54,600 Speaker 1: the b JP. In two thou seventeen, his group made 503 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 1: a typical discovery when a pro b JP website called 504 00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:00,359 Speaker 1: Hindutva dot info released a video of a gruesome stabbing, 505 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:02,480 Speaker 1: which was passed around on social media as evidence that 506 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:06,800 Speaker 1: Muslims were killing Hindus and Kerala Punic Sharma, an rss Apparachnik, 507 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,399 Speaker 1: who Moody follows on Twitter, promoted the video saying that 508 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 1: it should make Hindu's blood boil. But when All News 509 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:13,720 Speaker 1: tracked the video to its source, it turned out to 510 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:17,480 Speaker 1: depict a gang killing in Mexico, which you might recognize 511 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 1: does not have a high Hindu population or Muslim population, 512 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:24,640 Speaker 1: was probably unrelated to any conflicts there. Yeah, it also 513 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:28,680 Speaker 1: seems again pretty lazy. They get to be lazy. It's fine. 514 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:31,320 Speaker 1: Sinaha told me he believed that some of the most 515 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:34,200 Speaker 1: aggressive social media poster instigated by an official I T 516 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,440 Speaker 1: cell staffed and funded by b JP loyalists. He said 517 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:40,159 Speaker 1: that people affiliated with the b JP maintained websites that 518 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 1: pushed promodi propaganda and attack his enemies. They were organized 519 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 1: and quick, He said. They got their act down a 520 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:50,240 Speaker 1: long time ago in gug rot pretty cool, that's so 521 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:52,640 Speaker 1: funked up and again so similar to what we have going. 522 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:54,840 Speaker 1: I was going to say completely different from anything that's 523 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 1: ever happened anywhere, but I guesst what you say works 524 00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 1: to sixteen, the Moody Adminitis station went after Indie TV, 525 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,840 Speaker 1: one of the most prominent and influential critics of their regime. 526 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:07,600 Speaker 1: All government advertising was pulled from the network, and members 527 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,640 Speaker 1: of the Moody cabinet pressured business owners and private corporations 528 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:12,960 Speaker 1: to stop buying ads on in d TV as well. 529 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:15,040 Speaker 1: The station was forced to lay off a quarter of 530 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:17,760 Speaker 1: its staff, while good journalists lost their jobs and in 531 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,840 Speaker 1: some cases, their lives. Narendra Moody continued to pump money 532 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:26,240 Speaker 1: into his social media operations. In two thousand nineteen, yours 533 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:29,879 Speaker 1: you gotta stay up on the socials, social meds, social meds. 534 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 1: In two thousand nineteen, Moody faced reelection, He spent as 535 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,800 Speaker 1: much as five billion dollars on his campaign regular fucking 536 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:40,160 Speaker 1: Bloomberg over here. Yeah, I mean it's a big country, 537 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 1: so you do have to like spread it out more. 538 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:47,679 Speaker 1: Uh yeah, pouring money into his propaganda efforts to mitigate 539 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 1: the fact that India's economy actually took a bit of 540 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,320 Speaker 1: a dive under his leadership. It's like fascist starting actually 541 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:55,400 Speaker 1: good at the one thing fascist wild. He was helped 542 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:57,560 Speaker 1: along in this by an attack by a suicide bomber 543 00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 1: on Cashmere on February fourteenth, two thousand nineteen, which killed 544 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:04,600 Speaker 1: forty Indian soldiers. Moody's online propaganda machines swung into action. 545 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,280 Speaker 1: Video went viral of Moody consoling the widow of a 546 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:10,119 Speaker 1: soldier that recording was actually from two thousand thirteen. But 547 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:11,879 Speaker 1: the truth never gets in the way of spreading a 548 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:15,360 Speaker 1: good meme. They're like, she's a widow. You know, widows. 549 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:21,200 Speaker 1: One widows as good as another. Throw it out there. Uh. 550 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:23,440 Speaker 1: Moody used anger over the attack as an excuse to 551 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,280 Speaker 1: ratchet up as anti Muslim rhetoric. He gave speeches claiming 552 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 1: that the blood of the people is boiling, and sent 553 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,280 Speaker 1: thousands of troops into Cashmir on the pretext that India's 554 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:34,200 Speaker 1: only semi autonomous Muslim majority state had to be cracked 555 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 1: down on for the safety of the people. Twelve days 556 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:38,760 Speaker 1: after the attack, the Prime Minister ordered a series of 557 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:40,960 Speaker 1: air strikes on what he claimed was a terrorist training 558 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:44,840 Speaker 1: camp in a town called Balakot. Predictably, online Modi supporters 559 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,520 Speaker 1: hailed this as a massive success in the battle against terrorism, 560 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,520 Speaker 1: claiming that more than three hundred Islamic extremists had been killed. 561 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:54,080 Speaker 1: Viral pictures of smoking corpses spread throughout social media, but 562 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 1: journalists who investigated found only a few holes in the 563 00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,000 Speaker 1: ground and no evidence that anyone at all had died. 564 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 1: The viral photos were actually just pictures from the aftermath 565 00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 1: of a deadly heat wave. Purported video of the air 566 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,400 Speaker 1: strikes was actually footage from a video game called Arma Too. 567 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:10,680 Speaker 1: I believe the Russian government has also used to like 568 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,680 Speaker 1: fake videos of air strikes. It's very funny and good 569 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 1: and cool. None of this mattered the lies sold I 570 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,360 Speaker 1: meet Shaw bragged to a group of election workers that 571 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,520 Speaker 1: the b JP social media operations had created an impenetrable 572 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:26,040 Speaker 1: wall of bullshit. Quote do you understand what I'm saying? 573 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:28,560 Speaker 1: We are capable of delivering any message we want to 574 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:33,200 Speaker 1: the public, whether sweet or sour, true or fake about 575 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:35,880 Speaker 1: sweet and sour? Am I right? And balance it out? 576 00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:39,680 Speaker 1: I got good chicken? Yeah? No. Reindramodi was reelected and 577 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:41,760 Speaker 1: while his first term started with a series of field 578 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 1: good measures almost everyone could support. There was no pretense 579 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:46,800 Speaker 1: at all. The second time around, and I'm going to 580 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:50,440 Speaker 1: quote from the New Yorker again, Moody's government introduced a 581 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,600 Speaker 1: series of extraordinary initiatives meant to solidify Hindu dominance. The 582 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:55,960 Speaker 1: most notable of them, along with provoking the special status 583 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,600 Speaker 1: of Kashmir, was a measure designed to strip citizenship from 584 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,040 Speaker 1: as many as two million resid at the state of Assam, 585 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:02,880 Speaker 1: many of who who had crossed the border from the 586 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:06,280 Speaker 1: Muslim nation of Bangladesh decades before. In September, the government 587 00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:08,880 Speaker 1: began constructing detention centers for residents who had become a 588 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:13,160 Speaker 1: legal overnight. Fuck cool and good. I mean again, to 589 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:16,480 Speaker 1: remind me of anything happening where No, not unlike anything 590 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:20,080 Speaker 1: in history or now elsewhere on the planet. As is 591 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,400 Speaker 1: always the case in situations like this, the government's open 592 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,840 Speaker 1: embraced bigotry acted as a blank check for bigots among 593 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,480 Speaker 1: the population, Hindu nationalists and so crazy, how there's a 594 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,720 Speaker 1: connection between that. Really it's really weird, right, yeah, I mean, 595 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,000 Speaker 1: this is the only time that's happened to a lot 596 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:38,040 Speaker 1: of only time happenings here. The first and only lots 597 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:41,880 Speaker 1: of those, so Hindu nationalists in Northern India, for example, 598 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,080 Speaker 1: started to spread rumors that Muslim men had launched a 599 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,479 Speaker 1: hidden operation to trick Hindu women into marriage and then 600 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:50,160 Speaker 1: foresaid women into prostitution. These bogus rumors spread like wildfire 601 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:53,080 Speaker 1: on social media and what'sapp and quickly acquired the name 602 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:57,840 Speaker 1: love Jihad. Interfaith couples have been increasingly insulted, assaulted. Edge 603 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:00,400 Speaker 1: is actually the next show from the Love Is Blind 604 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:06,760 Speaker 1: People on Netflix because it is a good title, you know, 605 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 1: the only thing I watch on Netflix. Well, no, they 606 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 1: don't have it on Netflix, so I had to torrent it. Um, yeah, 607 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:18,600 Speaker 1: never mind. Just it's not for you, that's good. The 608 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,720 Speaker 1: only thing that's for me is rewatching old episodes of 609 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:24,200 Speaker 1: Star Trek, The Next Generation and Community. So that's that's 610 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:28,440 Speaker 1: basically it for me. I'm I'm a I'm an old man, 611 00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 1: and I hate new things. You're wearing an adorable cardian 612 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:35,760 Speaker 1: thank you, thank you, thank you. A tiny, little cute 613 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:39,880 Speaker 1: old man working on it. You know what else I'm 614 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:44,000 Speaker 1: working on these goods and services, I'm working on getting 615 00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:47,040 Speaker 1: together making a little love connection with another corporation or two, 616 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 1: just kind of pumping a couple of products out, getting 617 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,840 Speaker 1: them to push out a service or two, and then 618 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:57,920 Speaker 1: you can buy them wet and fresh from the womb 619 00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:02,200 Speaker 1: or dry because it's gross. No, no, no, no, you 620 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,520 Speaker 1: can't trust that it's fresh. All the products are away. Yes, 621 00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:10,160 Speaker 1: every product that we sell is damp as hell. That 622 00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:22,440 Speaker 1: is our guarantee. Yea bye, and we're back. We were 623 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,560 Speaker 1: just talking about how good we are at advertising products 624 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:28,800 Speaker 1: and services. I'm I'm proud of us. I'm I'm. We 625 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 1: were doing a lot of handshaking and popping champagne bottles. 626 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:36,880 Speaker 1: I love that this industry works the way it does. 627 00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:42,480 Speaker 1: It's great and good and cool. The years in power 628 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:44,760 Speaker 1: do not seem to have changed Moody. A journalist with 629 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:46,800 Speaker 1: a New Statesman interviewed a number of people who work 630 00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,040 Speaker 1: closely with the Prime Minister, and they all reported more 631 00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:52,600 Speaker 1: or less the same thing. Quote. He is teetotal and 632 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,720 Speaker 1: a vegetarian and lives in almost monastic lifestyle. When told 633 00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:57,680 Speaker 1: me he is extremely focused when he talks to you, 634 00:32:57,720 --> 00:32:59,640 Speaker 1: he really listens. He can focus like a few people 635 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:01,720 Speaker 1: I know. He calls it a day by eleven and 636 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:03,680 Speaker 1: gets up at four in the morning. Another aid told 637 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:05,400 Speaker 1: me he spends the first ninety minutes of the day 638 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,360 Speaker 1: happily surfing the internet for articles about himself. His staff 639 00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:11,360 Speaker 1: starts getting caused by five thirty latest. He's obsessed with 640 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,920 Speaker 1: personal hygienes. Set a third, he changes his clothes at 641 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:15,720 Speaker 1: least four or five times a day, and he always 642 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:19,080 Speaker 1: eats alone, always, which is weird in India. Like eating 643 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,880 Speaker 1: together big groups of people is like a really important thing. 644 00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:25,720 Speaker 1: That's a very strange fact um. But also if you 645 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:27,600 Speaker 1: look at all the pictures of like even the Democratic 646 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:29,960 Speaker 1: candidates eating, they all look like none of them know 647 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,520 Speaker 1: how to eat food like a normal human being. It's bizarre, 648 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:36,600 Speaker 1: Like why can't you? Maybe it's just like being photographed 649 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:38,480 Speaker 1: makes you look weird eating like you just like get 650 00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:40,240 Speaker 1: self conscious. I don't know, I've never had to eat 651 00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:44,360 Speaker 1: on camera. I was gonna say, happily surfing the internet 652 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,240 Speaker 1: for articles about himself. First of all, obviously that is 653 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:50,320 Speaker 1: what Trump does, But happily is a hilarious thing to 654 00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:53,120 Speaker 1: insert in there, Like I just picture him like going 655 00:33:53,200 --> 00:34:01,840 Speaker 1: like like singing to himself and Mr Blue, Yeah, good times. 656 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,360 Speaker 1: It is, of course impossible to say whether or not 657 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,880 Speaker 1: all this is true, but it plays well with Indian voters, 658 00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:10,520 Speaker 1: particularly young voters who supporting their indraw Moody at unprecedented levels, 659 00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:12,759 Speaker 1: and Moody is already hard at work earning the next 660 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,360 Speaker 1: generation of young votes. He's written a number of books 661 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:18,520 Speaker 1: that could best be described as dictatorial pop philosophy, and 662 00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:20,759 Speaker 1: had even more written about him that sell him as 663 00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:24,560 Speaker 1: a management guru, essentially across between Tim Ferris and Adolf Hitler, 664 00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:27,480 Speaker 1: who's also a management He was like, he's like Hitler 665 00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:30,600 Speaker 1: two point oh, they're so psyched about it. Moody even 666 00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:33,680 Speaker 1: wrote a book specifically aimed at school aged children called 667 00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:37,840 Speaker 1: Exam Warriors. This book is innocuous enough on the surface, 668 00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:40,359 Speaker 1: and mostly focuses on urging children to study hard, look 669 00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,719 Speaker 1: forward to exams, his way to prove and improve themselves, 670 00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,480 Speaker 1: and do lots of yoga. Um. It includes an autumount 671 00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:47,880 Speaker 1: of militant word play, though not just in the title 672 00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:51,080 Speaker 1: Exam Warriors, but in chapters with heads like be a warrior, 673 00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:54,720 Speaker 1: not a warrior, and sleep as a great weapon. Sharpen 674 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:58,960 Speaker 1: it gott to sharpen your sleep. I can't can't get 675 00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:02,200 Speaker 1: to bed without a nice I mean I never sleep 676 00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:04,520 Speaker 1: without a machete. Yeah, I'm holding and I have something 677 00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:06,600 Speaker 1: like I get sharp sleep. I get sharp sleep. I 678 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:08,839 Speaker 1: got a machete bayonet for one of my rifles. Sharp. 679 00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,560 Speaker 1: We should get you a machete. Please. Let's get a 680 00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:18,359 Speaker 1: lot of machetes, a lot more machetes, like, oh, great, 681 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:22,000 Speaker 1: dangerous narcissists. Moody saw in radio and podcast the ultimate 682 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:25,800 Speaker 1: opportunity to brainwash the masses. His monthly show mon Kibat 683 00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:29,000 Speaker 1: is hugely popular, and he recently launched the Normindra Moody 684 00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:32,480 Speaker 1: mobile app to further connection to run a monthly show. 685 00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:35,040 Speaker 1: I know, I'm trying to run a monthly show as 686 00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,000 Speaker 1: a stand up and it's like it's exhausting, hard to 687 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:38,440 Speaker 1: find the time. I mean, I think it might be 688 00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,160 Speaker 1: easier to be dictator of India than a stands So, yeah, 689 00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:43,239 Speaker 1: dictator is actually the wrong word. We'll get to that 690 00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,360 Speaker 1: in a little bit. While Moody's role in the Gouge 691 00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:48,560 Speaker 1: riots saw him condemned by the international community, it seems 692 00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:50,160 Speaker 1: as if nothing he does now will be met by 693 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:54,640 Speaker 1: any real condemnation around the world. On February, while President 694 00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:57,480 Speaker 1: Donald Trump visited New Delhi, the city was convulsed by 695 00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:59,880 Speaker 1: a wave of mass violence that is probably best described 696 00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:03,040 Speaker 1: an anti Muslim pagram. It started with protest against the 697 00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:05,879 Speaker 1: expansion of the Citizenship Amendment Act. The law MODI used 698 00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,600 Speaker 1: to remove the citizenship of some two million Muslim citizens. 699 00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:10,759 Speaker 1: And I'm going to quote now from coverage by the Print, 700 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,799 Speaker 1: an English language Indian news site. This is about how 701 00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,200 Speaker 1: the riot started off. Quote. The women sitting in ce 702 00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:19,040 Speaker 1: lamp Or, a Muslim dominated slum area, rightly felt it 703 00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:21,200 Speaker 1: was no use just sitting there. The women decided to 704 00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:23,560 Speaker 1: move their protest to a road underneath the jah RaBaD 705 00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,719 Speaker 1: metro station Saturday night. This blocked a road. Unless you 706 00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:28,480 Speaker 1: block a main road, how do you get the attention 707 00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:30,560 Speaker 1: of the main stream. This is not the first time 708 00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:32,840 Speaker 1: a road has been blocked by a group of protesting people, 709 00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:35,799 Speaker 1: but b JPS Kapil Mishra said that the blocking of 710 00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:37,759 Speaker 1: a road was somehow a matter serious enough for the 711 00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,640 Speaker 1: people to take law into their own hands. He demanded 712 00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:42,640 Speaker 1: that the road be cleared in both jap RaBaD and 713 00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:45,400 Speaker 1: the nearby Chanda Bag. What unfolded them was a clear 714 00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,200 Speaker 1: diabolical plan make it look like a clash between pro 715 00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,560 Speaker 1: and anti c a A supporters. The clash goes violent 716 00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:54,600 Speaker 1: Muslims provoked and forced to respond in self defense. It 717 00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:56,960 Speaker 1: looks like a riot used the violence as an excuse 718 00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:00,359 Speaker 1: to clear the protests, the peaceful and democratic protests. When 719 00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:02,959 Speaker 1: the Jaffrabod protest site was cleared, a chop b JP 720 00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,920 Speaker 1: RSS leader declared victory. Bils and Thosh is the b 721 00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:09,600 Speaker 1: JPS general secretary a post reserve for the RSS representative. 722 00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:11,440 Speaker 1: Here was his tweet just as news came in off 723 00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:16,080 Speaker 1: the Jaffrabod site being cleared. Jafferbod Metro protest area totally cleared. 724 00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:19,160 Speaker 1: The game starts now. Rioters need to be taught a 725 00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:22,399 Speaker 1: lesson or two of Indian laws. Pretty cool that it's 726 00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:26,080 Speaker 1: a game. Yeah, and san Fosh deleted the tweet later 727 00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:28,320 Speaker 1: and to remove game starts now and replace it with 728 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,719 Speaker 1: time to enforce the law in its entire spirit and 729 00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,319 Speaker 1: a new tweet. The mask was a little bit too 730 00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:37,279 Speaker 1: off for him. At least forty two people were killed 731 00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,279 Speaker 1: during this game, and probably a lot more, but we 732 00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:42,320 Speaker 1: don't know yet. The vest majority fun game. Fun game. 733 00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:44,560 Speaker 1: I do play a lot of games that kill forty 734 00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,880 Speaker 1: two people, but everyone everyone knows when we play knife tennis, 735 00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:51,480 Speaker 1: you know there's a risk. Sometimes you get you have 736 00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:54,840 Speaker 1: people sign the waivers. Sign the waivers with a knife. 737 00:37:56,000 --> 00:38:00,520 Speaker 1: It's the only way. Yeah, forty two were killed, the 738 00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:02,680 Speaker 1: best majority of the Muslims and once again the police 739 00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:04,840 Speaker 1: stood by or actively aided the mobs. It is not 740 00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,960 Speaker 1: a coincidence. The Delhi Police report directly to the Home 741 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:13,960 Speaker 1: Minister of India one A'mit shaw. As I write this, 742 00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,520 Speaker 1: the fallout from this program has not fully fallen out. 743 00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:18,600 Speaker 1: It took three days for Moody to even make a 744 00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:20,920 Speaker 1: statement on the matter. The Delhi police have made a 745 00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,440 Speaker 1: lot of noise about holding reconciliation meetings to try and 746 00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:25,960 Speaker 1: de radicalize people. And it is worth noting that Moody's 747 00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:29,160 Speaker 1: muted response a tweet that said we cannot allow vested 748 00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:32,040 Speaker 1: interest groups to divide us and create disturbance smacked more 749 00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:34,040 Speaker 1: than a little bit of fear and uncertainty and a 750 00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:36,239 Speaker 1: mass expulsion of public rage that he and his party 751 00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:40,560 Speaker 1: inspired but cannot fully control. Because the frightening reality of 752 00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:43,160 Speaker 1: the situation in India today is that while Narendra Moody 753 00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:46,799 Speaker 1: enjoys almost unchecked power, he's not really a dictator. It 754 00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,080 Speaker 1: seems more accurate to say that he and his propaganda 755 00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,440 Speaker 1: have inflamed a huge chunk of the electorate enough that 756 00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:54,399 Speaker 1: they have vested him with unprecedented power, so long as 757 00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,239 Speaker 1: he uses it to hurt the people. He has worked 758 00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:58,960 Speaker 1: to convince them they hate. One of the journalists The 759 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,520 Speaker 1: New Yorker talked to guy named Prasad, the editor of 760 00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:05,040 Speaker 1: an Indian magazine called Outlook, said this of his country. 761 00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:10,120 Speaker 1: It's very different now. The institutions of crumbled universities, investigative agencies, 762 00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:13,719 Speaker 1: the courts, the media, the administrative agencies, public services. And 763 00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:15,839 Speaker 1: I think there is no rational answer for what has 764 00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,239 Speaker 1: happened except that we pretended not to be what we 765 00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:21,160 Speaker 1: were for fifty sixty years, but we are now reverting 766 00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:23,200 Speaker 1: to what we always wanted to be, which is to 767 00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,799 Speaker 1: pummel minorities, to push them into a corner, to show 768 00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,600 Speaker 1: them their places, to conquer Kashmir, to ruin the media, 769 00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,200 Speaker 1: and to make corporation servants of the state, and all 770 00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:34,160 Speaker 1: of this under a heavy resurgence of Hinduism. India is 771 00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:38,399 Speaker 1: becoming the country it has always wanted to be. That's 772 00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:43,200 Speaker 1: eerie and sad. Yeah, hopefully not true. Hopefully not true. 773 00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:46,000 Speaker 1: But I do find a lot I identify with in 774 00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:50,120 Speaker 1: this fear of life. We're not reverting here in the US, 775 00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,359 Speaker 1: you know, to the way we were before the civil 776 00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:55,440 Speaker 1: rights movement, before the the LGBT rights movement, before all 777 00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,960 Speaker 1: these gains were made, were becoming the country. A lot 778 00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:01,040 Speaker 1: of us always wanted us to be like, that's terrifying, thought. 779 00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:06,040 Speaker 1: It is cooling good, Sophia, how you feeling feeling good? 780 00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:10,400 Speaker 1: Feeling good as hell? Yeah, stab myself with this, n 781 00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:14,040 Speaker 1: don't do that. Don't do that, you know what, keep 782 00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:18,120 Speaker 1: it ready for a Nazi. It's true, if I go, 783 00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:20,799 Speaker 1: taking at least one Nazi with me, that is what 784 00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:23,759 Speaker 1: George orwell, there's a fun quote from Georgie like that. 785 00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:26,640 Speaker 1: I said, if I go, if I go, because I 786 00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:31,279 Speaker 1: believe believe in the singularity, And I'm like, well, if 787 00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:33,520 Speaker 1: we don't all die, I'll be We've got to get 788 00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:36,600 Speaker 1: rid of the fascial before the singularity, otherwise we get 789 00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:41,400 Speaker 1: fascist robots. Truth. Yeah, I don't want that. That doesn't 790 00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:45,560 Speaker 1: sound terrifying. Yeah, I mean fascists are also really inefficient, 791 00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:48,520 Speaker 1: So maybe like a machine would be fundamentally anti fascist 792 00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,880 Speaker 1: because it's just frustrated by the inefficiencies that they generate 793 00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:54,839 Speaker 1: and into system they control, or if the machines did 794 00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:58,160 Speaker 1: our eyes against us and they were fascists that because 795 00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:00,840 Speaker 1: they're so poorly made, there would be like one flaw 796 00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:03,560 Speaker 1: that would be very easy to hack and they would 797 00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:05,600 Speaker 1: just all die at the same time. Either that or 798 00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:07,439 Speaker 1: we'd wind up in like an I have no mouth, 799 00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:13,440 Speaker 1: but I must scream sort of situation. Oh no, yeah again, 800 00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:16,279 Speaker 1: this is like a ship streak. Yeah, it's let me 801 00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:19,160 Speaker 1: have a silver lining, dude, turn into a ship streak 802 00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:30,040 Speaker 1: right away. Yeah, I guess the silver lining is really 803 00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:34,600 Speaker 1: love love the lead in from Ship Streak. Guys. If 804 00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:37,719 Speaker 1: you want to keep the ship streak going, you can 805 00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:41,360 Speaker 1: find me on Twitter and Instagram at the Sophia s 806 00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,920 Speaker 1: O f I y A, and you can listen to 807 00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:48,560 Speaker 1: me on my two podcasts, one with Miles Gray of 808 00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:52,160 Speaker 1: the Daily Zay Guys called for Fiance and the other 809 00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:56,759 Speaker 1: one with Courtney Kosak called Private Parts Unknown about love 810 00:41:56,800 --> 00:42:03,960 Speaker 1: and sex around the world. So yeah, follow me, follow review, 811 00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:10,839 Speaker 1: and uh, we have a dog related problem. Yeah, what 812 00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:15,560 Speaker 1: the fuck? There's some dogs barking outside the studio. Hopefully 813 00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:18,040 Speaker 1: is not involved. We have to go deal with a 814 00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:21,000 Speaker 1: dog related situation. But you all deal with this fascism 815 00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:25,400 Speaker 1: related situation, perhaps by stockpiling arms. Perhaps if I just 816 00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:28,319 Speaker 1: watch listening to Behind the Bastards, visiting our website Behind 817 00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:30,320 Speaker 1: the Bastards dot com, if buying a T shirt and 818 00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:33,960 Speaker 1: te pump work, or listening to our political podcast The 819 00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,480 Speaker 1: Worst Year Ever. See Sophie, I still do it sometimes, 820 00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:40,919 Speaker 1: all right, I know, Let's go see if the dogs 821 00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:42,439 Speaker 1: are okay. Bye,