WEBVTT - How Natural Selection Works

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff you Should Know from House Stuffworks dot com. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm great. I'm super excited about this topic because A

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<v Speaker 1>we're pairing it with our Charles Darwin show, Yeah, which

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<v Speaker 1>I guess came out last episode, right, aren't we pairing

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<v Speaker 1>the two? Yeah? I think we're doing Darwin first. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>do Darwin first, because I think in the Darwin episode

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<v Speaker 1>we say we should do natural selection. It's here we are.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm just excited because to me, and I gushed

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<v Speaker 1>a little at Darwin's feet, this is my own personal statement.

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<v Speaker 1>I think natural selection is the most exciting and like

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<v Speaker 1>beautiful thing that exists. It's it's just it really turns

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<v Speaker 1>my crank. You know, you're like an old timey car. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. I grew up this is again my personal story.

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<v Speaker 1>I grew up in churches most listeners now, uh, which

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<v Speaker 1>was heavy doses of of creation, the creation story. And

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<v Speaker 1>I remember, as a kid, even fully involved in in church,

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<v Speaker 1>thinking like I just this doesn't make sense to me.

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<v Speaker 1>I just it didn't add up. So natural selection it

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<v Speaker 1>just makes sense to you. Yeah. When I finally learned

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<v Speaker 1>about natural selection, like really really understood and learned it.

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<v Speaker 1>It just it made total sense because I can like

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<v Speaker 1>see it, it was tangible. I could make sense of it.

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<v Speaker 1>And again that's my own story. We don't poo poo

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<v Speaker 1>anyone or saying anyone should feel anyway, but we just

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<v Speaker 1>explain how things work exactly. You know. But I have

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<v Speaker 1>a personal attachment to this just because I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>like the grooviest thing going. Yeah, no, I know what

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<v Speaker 1>you mean. Like it it makes uttering complete sense. It's

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<v Speaker 1>almost um in capable of being appropriated to serve some agenda.

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<v Speaker 1>It just is what it is, you know, It's just there.

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<v Speaker 1>It's beautiful. I agree with you entirely. It's an elegant theory.

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<v Speaker 1>Its just super neat. Yeah. Um. And the wonderful thing

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<v Speaker 1>is is like there's even squabbles in the scientific community

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<v Speaker 1>over exactly how evolution works and processes, and regardless, everyone's

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<v Speaker 1>still like, yep, natural selection pretty much perfect. Yeah, it

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<v Speaker 1>just makes sense. I'm gonna have a t shirt natural selection.

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<v Speaker 1>It just makes sense. I have a feeling we'll be

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<v Speaker 1>getting an email with something like that eventually, So let's

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<v Speaker 1>talk about natural selection. I think a lot of people,

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<v Speaker 1>including myself, um, kind of had an idea of what

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<v Speaker 1>it was, pretty good idea, but not necessarily understanding the

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<v Speaker 1>ins and outs of it. And well, that's what we're

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<v Speaker 1>here for, is to explain the ins and outs of

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<v Speaker 1>natural selection. So, um, basically, a lot of people interchange

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<v Speaker 1>evolution and natural selection. That's incorrect. Um. Evolution is this

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<v Speaker 1>huge process by which species adapt and change to survive

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<v Speaker 1>in their environments, and the way that that moves along.

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<v Speaker 1>The mechanism that drives that is natural selection. So they're

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<v Speaker 1>not one and the same. Natural selection drives evolution. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and who wrote this one? Was this? Uh? Grabowski? The

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<v Speaker 1>grabster I should have known. Uh, just very simply puts

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<v Speaker 1>it very early on the article. Organisms best suited to

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<v Speaker 1>survive in their particular circumstance have a greater chance of

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<v Speaker 1>passing their traits onto the next generation. That's right, it

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<v Speaker 1>just makes sense. I'm gonna try not to say that

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<v Speaker 1>every ten minutes, but just now that that's going on

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<v Speaker 1>in my head. Yeah, and and and um do you

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<v Speaker 1>want that on a T shirt? And natural selection is

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<v Speaker 1>like it's this ongoing, basically never ending process even when

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<v Speaker 1>organisms really kind of seemingly stopped developing, like they figured

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<v Speaker 1>it out. Yeah, but it's it isn't. It doesn't have

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<v Speaker 1>its own sentience. It isn't its own thing. Like you can't.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't attribute it to some sort of creator or

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<v Speaker 1>creation necessarily unless you believe that kind of thing. But

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<v Speaker 1>like if you're if you, it's very easy to give

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<v Speaker 1>it a personality, but it's not. It's the byproduct of

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<v Speaker 1>how organisms exist, and we exist by our genes and

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<v Speaker 1>by the fact that those genes change frequently within the

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<v Speaker 1>lifetime of a person thanks to what we understand now

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<v Speaker 1>is of the genetics, but also through reproduction. And from

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<v Speaker 1>these these moments, these periods where genes are up for

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<v Speaker 1>a change, they can completely or even just partially change

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<v Speaker 1>part of an organism, and that change may or may

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<v Speaker 1>not help the organism survive in the environment, like you

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<v Speaker 1>just quoted Grabanowski. And if it does, bay a natural

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<v Speaker 1>selection will root that out and it will propagate that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and uh. It also points out Darwin um he did

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<v Speaker 1>coin term natural selection and survival of the fittest. And

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<v Speaker 1>I do think that many people hear survival of the

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<v Speaker 1>fittest and they think of the lion eating the gazelle.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's also, like he says, the tree that can

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<v Speaker 1>disperse its seed where it needs to for those seeds

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<v Speaker 1>to grow or the bacteria that uh survives. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>you know, animal eating animal, although it can, right, And

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<v Speaker 1>so since we're on it, Chuck, fitness is basically um

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<v Speaker 1>like you say, like a tree's ability to spread seeds

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<v Speaker 1>and for those seeds to take rud because its grabs.

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<v Speaker 1>Her points out, it's not enough for a tree to

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<v Speaker 1>produce a bunch of seeds, which is its ability to reproduce, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and its ability to survive long enough to even get

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<v Speaker 1>to the point to it where it reproduces. Right. That's

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<v Speaker 1>step one is to live long enough to be able

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<v Speaker 1>to reproduce. Step two, or the second part of it

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<v Speaker 1>is that that reproduction is as successful as it possibly

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<v Speaker 1>can be. Yeah, Like it says, not only you gotta

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<v Speaker 1>do it, you gotta do it well. So that tree,

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<v Speaker 1>it spreads tons and tons of seeds. If those seeds

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<v Speaker 1>um happen to um catch fire and sunlight, that's not

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<v Speaker 1>going to be a very good trait. But if they

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<v Speaker 1>have like a really hard husk that can survive the

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<v Speaker 1>elements but then disintegrates when it's digested by a raccoon

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<v Speaker 1>and then pooped out. You know, then all of a

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<v Speaker 1>sudden you've got that step two covered. Yeah, or if

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<v Speaker 1>it you know, if it's just dumb luck, if that

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<v Speaker 1>tree exists in a place where it's super windy and

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<v Speaker 1>can disperse the seeds better, uh, then it will propagate.

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<v Speaker 1>If not, then you may not even know that that

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<v Speaker 1>tree existed exactly unless you consult the fossil record. That's right. Um, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So I guess the whole point to natural selection is

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<v Speaker 1>that it is an agent of change, but it's also

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<v Speaker 1>a byproduct of change, and we kind of have to

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<v Speaker 1>take a step backward to figure out where this change

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<v Speaker 1>is happening. I already said it a little bit, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's in it's our DNA. It's in the DNA of

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<v Speaker 1>all living things to change. Yeah, well, traits were all

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<v Speaker 1>born with traits, and we inherent those traits from you

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<v Speaker 1>know who who made us our folks and um. But

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<v Speaker 1>it's not necessarily that's not necessarily natural selection at work

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<v Speaker 1>over like one generation to the next. Right, there can

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<v Speaker 1>be differences in traits. Like Darwin, as we'll see, points

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<v Speaker 1>that out himself. He's like, let's just get it out

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<v Speaker 1>of the way, Like just because you have brown eyes

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<v Speaker 1>and somebody else has blue eyes, that's not evolution. No,

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<v Speaker 1>and he uses a good example here of tall versus

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<v Speaker 1>short folks. Uh, tall people might be basketball players, people

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<v Speaker 1>might be jockeyscus the grabs are not Darwin. Yeah yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Um did they have basketball? When was that advented? When

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<v Speaker 1>did the name sent in mid basketball? I want to

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<v Speaker 1>say eighteen forty eight, but it's probably eighteen seventy, not

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<v Speaker 1>too far off. So he makes the point that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>if something happened to where like jockeys could reproduce better

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<v Speaker 1>or basketball players could not reproduce anymore. Yeah, I was

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<v Speaker 1>trying to imagine, just make up anything, I know, I

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<v Speaker 1>was trying to and like I couldn't come up with it. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>just make make up something like being able to uh

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<v Speaker 1>dribble and dunk lowers your sperm count. Oh that's a

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<v Speaker 1>good one. See, that's what I'm saying. I think my

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<v Speaker 1>brain was in understand natural selection modes of my My

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<v Speaker 1>imagination grew less fertile, so it didn't survive, No, it didn't. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>And over time, basically basketball players don't reproduce as much

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<v Speaker 1>jockey's do, and over several generations, people are going to

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<v Speaker 1>be shorter on average. It sounds almost dumb, it's so simple,

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<v Speaker 1>but that's really the basis of it. It is, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's one of those things. It's like economics where it's

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<v Speaker 1>so simple that it's hard to wrap your mind around

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<v Speaker 1>it because you make it more complex necessarily than it is.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's very similar for me. Um. And with that

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<v Speaker 1>basketball example which just happened, was humanity evolved to be shorter.

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<v Speaker 1>That was the end result. And that evolution took place

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<v Speaker 1>because there was a shift in the distribution of traits.

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<v Speaker 1>So before lots of basketball players, lots of jockeys, tallness

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<v Speaker 1>and shortness, which are traits or variations on the trade

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<v Speaker 1>of height in humans, Like we have height, we're not

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<v Speaker 1>too dimensional inherited by who bore you, right, not us,

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<v Speaker 1>your parents. We bore you in a different way. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>So the variations on the trade eventually gave rise to evolution.

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<v Speaker 1>So within just like our generation or even a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of generations, the differences in eye color, height or something

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<v Speaker 1>like that, it doesn't represent evolution, but changes like that

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<v Speaker 1>can lead to evolution over time. Yeah, if they are

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<v Speaker 1>changes that either aid or prevent your survival, right, Like

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<v Speaker 1>if something happens and all of a sudden human women

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<v Speaker 1>were all like, we're not gonna mate with anybody but

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<v Speaker 1>blue eyes. You can bet your bippy that within two

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<v Speaker 1>generations there's gonna be nothing but blue eyed kids. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>or grown adults getting blue contacts. That's a good idea

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<v Speaker 1>because they're tired of not having sex. But then maybe

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<v Speaker 1>our eyes would adapt to um the context and just

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<v Speaker 1>absorb them. Something has to happen. Your imagination is plenty fertill,

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<v Speaker 1>my friend, I guess so. Uh, and this all goes

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<v Speaker 1>back if we can go back a little further to

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<v Speaker 1>something called DNA um that is a chemical structure that

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<v Speaker 1>is the basis for everything that is. Is that a

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<v Speaker 1>good way to say it? And Uh? Within DNA are

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<v Speaker 1>sequences of traits, sets of traits, and those are the genes.

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<v Speaker 1>And then there's something called the LLL, which is really

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<v Speaker 1>where it all comes together. Is it all? Or allele?

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<v Speaker 1>Does I say ll adele? No? Adele allele? Okay? So

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<v Speaker 1>it's like a gene is like a specific sequence of

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<v Speaker 1>DNA that produces some trade. So height, like you have

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<v Speaker 1>a height gene like and when that gene is working

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<v Speaker 1>like you will grow. Yeah, the expression of the gene

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<v Speaker 1>is the allele. Yeah, that's the variation of that trait.

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<v Speaker 1>So imagine like as just a stretch of genes is

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<v Speaker 1>like a few boxes, say five of them, and three

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<v Speaker 1>are off the three that will encode to make brown eyes, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>and two are on the two that will encode to

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<v Speaker 1>make blue eyes. So each one's an allele, but the

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<v Speaker 1>one that's functioning gives you blue eyes. So in allal

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<v Speaker 1>is just a variation on a trade. And a trade

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<v Speaker 1>is produced by a gene, which is a sequence of DNA.

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<v Speaker 1>That variation is produced by an allele, which is a

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<v Speaker 1>sequence of the gene. And how often that allele shows

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<v Speaker 1>up in a population is the allele frequency. And it's

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<v Speaker 1>really simple. You hear alleal frequency and it sounds like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh that's science, but it's really pretty easy. That's what

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<v Speaker 1>they go to school force to learn the jargon. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and uh, we did a really good episode on population

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<v Speaker 1>and uh, we're gonna be talking about here again though,

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<v Speaker 1>So we should just say that a population is a

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<v Speaker 1>group uh in one place that have sex with each other. Yeah. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>so like a zebra in Africa. He makes up he

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<v Speaker 1>should have used real examples because he said, let's say

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<v Speaker 1>there were zebras in South America. But I see his point,

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<v Speaker 1>that would be a different population because they can't have

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<v Speaker 1>sex with the zebras in Africa, because zebras can't swim

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<v Speaker 1>across the ocean. And a lion in Africa is in

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<v Speaker 1>a different population than a zebra in Africa because they

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<v Speaker 1>don't do it right. They can't. It's an abomination. It is.

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<v Speaker 1>You come up with a zion, that'd be kind of cool.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess, sort of like a tiger. Probably maybe that's

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<v Speaker 1>what a tiger. I think. It's So you were talking

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<v Speaker 1>about populations and you're in a little frequency. So, um,

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<v Speaker 1>you could conceivably quantify the alleal frequency of blue eyes

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<v Speaker 1>and the human population because we transcended, like the difference

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<v Speaker 1>between Africa and South America. Like we have planes now,

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<v Speaker 1>so we we all have access to sex with one

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<v Speaker 1>another as a population, as long as you have a

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<v Speaker 1>passport and some money for a plane ticket. Um. So

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<v Speaker 1>speaking about a lieal frequency, Um, the point of that

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<v Speaker 1>whole thing is that with evolution, I guess another way

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<v Speaker 1>to put it, the way it grabs or puts it

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<v Speaker 1>is evolution is just a shift or a change in

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<v Speaker 1>alleal frequency. And the reason that that change takes places

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<v Speaker 1>because those alleles that become more and more widespread and

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<v Speaker 1>distributed it across the population, UM have made that organism

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<v Speaker 1>more likely to survive, to reproduce, and more likely to

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<v Speaker 1>successfully reproduce. Yeah, that's it. That's it. That's the evolution

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<v Speaker 1>driven by natural selection. Do you want to quit? I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think we could top at this point. Now it

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<v Speaker 1>does get more interesting. Um Alile's create are created in

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<v Speaker 1>a few different ways. UM. One is called a mutation,

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<v Speaker 1>which you probably heard of. Uh. These are random changes. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>They are pretty rare, like the X men. Yeah, very rare,

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<v Speaker 1>very rare mutants are. That's why they got to hang

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<v Speaker 1>out with the president a lot. Yeah, but the president

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<v Speaker 1>was also a mutant, wouldn't he. Oh yeah, eventually Kelsey Grammer. No, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>the president was the guy with the son with the wings.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought, ye, his son was the mutant and the

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<v Speaker 1>president the president. But I think Kelsey Grammer eventually was

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<v Speaker 1>elected president Blue president, Blue Harry President. So to me,

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<v Speaker 1>the cool thing about mutations is is they can be

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<v Speaker 1>completely new traits that are introduced that are completely different

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<v Speaker 1>than anything you've ever seen in that species, which is

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<v Speaker 1>pretty radical. Another way is just like we've been talking

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<v Speaker 1>about sex a lot reproduction just with animals humans. That

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<v Speaker 1>is the way that an aile can express itself. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the mixing together when when your mom and your

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<v Speaker 1>dad love each other very much and they copulate. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>there sperm and egg mixed together, break down their DNA

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<v Speaker 1>and it's glorious, fantastic um little mini explosion inside the

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<v Speaker 1>womb and uh, and then it really it recombines into

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<v Speaker 1>a totally new form that shares part of the dad's

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<v Speaker 1>DNA and part of the mom's UNICH to make a

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<v Speaker 1>new human. Yeah, and you get all the bad traits

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<v Speaker 1>from each of them, right, hopefully you get all the

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<v Speaker 1>best traits. But that's the point of sexual reproduction, which

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<v Speaker 1>was itself naturally selected, because it increases the potential that

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to inherit uh, good traits that will let

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<v Speaker 1>you survive. That's right, there's just more traits out there.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like um. I think it was the Sense of

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<v Speaker 1>Smell episode we did where we talked about pheromones, the

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<v Speaker 1>idea that pheromones among humans, we we can still detect

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<v Speaker 1>them even though we don't know it. And the whole

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<v Speaker 1>reason we can is to smell out other people's immune

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<v Speaker 1>system and we want somebody with an opposite immune system

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<v Speaker 1>of RS. So when you put the two together, it

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<v Speaker 1>produces a little mini superhuman who can't be killed. There

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<v Speaker 1>was an interesting study I think where they just had

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<v Speaker 1>people smelling things, but the gauging attraction levels right. But

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<v Speaker 1>it's based on the premise of sexual reproduction, which is

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<v Speaker 1>the combining as many good traits as possible make somebody

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<v Speaker 1>with a lot of them. Uh. And then the final

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<v Speaker 1>way that um alile's are created is um genetic recombination,

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<v Speaker 1>and that would be in the case of like a

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<v Speaker 1>bacteria who obviously don't go out and have sex with

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<v Speaker 1>each other um, but they do absorb DNA that they

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<v Speaker 1>get from other bacteria and basically make it part of them. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they think that's where the ukaryotes came from. Yeah, the

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<v Speaker 1>mitochondria was its own thing and it became absorbed by

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<v Speaker 1>some ancient cell to serve as like the power center

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<v Speaker 1>of the of the cell, and from that like gave

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<v Speaker 1>rise to everything with the backbone, everything that's not a

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<v Speaker 1>bacteria basically, so fish at first, I guess yeah, but eventually,

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<v Speaker 1>like it all, it all just came to that and

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<v Speaker 1>it's still going on today. It's just two organisms in

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<v Speaker 1>one neat yeah that's super neat, and then one other thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Like there are three ways that this could happen. That

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<v Speaker 1>um that new alliles could be introduced. But um, I

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<v Speaker 1>wonder if epigenetics will eventually be added to that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>because think about it. I mean, it's a change in

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<v Speaker 1>gene expression, right, So yeah, I could see that leading

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<v Speaker 1>to I guess I guess it could be classified as

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<v Speaker 1>a spontaneous mutation. I guess it would fall under that umbrella. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but so much leads up to it. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm with you. What's out of fourth? Okay, et the

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<v Speaker 1>genetics is officially added as a change to Allele's I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure we'll get an email from someone that's super smart

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<v Speaker 1>that will explain exactly why that won't happen there. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>first of all, Chuck was right, it's allows so Chuck

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<v Speaker 1>we um. You know we said that all of this

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<v Speaker 1>starts at DNA and the fact that it changes, we

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<v Speaker 1>actually should go back even further, um than that, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>into the backdrop of nature, the environment, the reason that

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<v Speaker 1>DNA changes, that traits change over time is because of

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<v Speaker 1>a little thing called death. Yeah, we all die and

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<v Speaker 1>how to avoid it exactly. It's it's the combination of

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<v Speaker 1>the two things. We're all going to die, and all

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<v Speaker 1>organisms appear to be driven by a desire to put

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<v Speaker 1>off that moment as long as possible, So we have

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<v Speaker 1>an instinct to survive. Right. The problem is is the

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<v Speaker 1>processes of nature are trying to put us down all

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<v Speaker 1>the time, so there is a inherent struggle to survive.

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<v Speaker 1>So when you combine our desire to live with nature

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<v Speaker 1>trying to kill us all the time, it forms that struggle.

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<v Speaker 1>The struggles have survived gives rise to the changes in genes,

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<v Speaker 1>which eventually are selected and convert to evolution. So it

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<v Speaker 1>all begins with the struggle to survive and the desire

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<v Speaker 1>to survive. Right, And this is spelled out by Darwin himself. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>should we read some of his quotes, Uh this is

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<v Speaker 1>These are from the on the Origin of the Species,

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<v Speaker 1>which if you just listen to the Charles Starwin, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>that was his most famous work that he put up,

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<v Speaker 1>one of many, but that's his uh you know, warrant Peace.

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<v Speaker 1>It's close second was my travels with Timmy about his

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<v Speaker 1>pet rabbit and he going around the county bothering neighbors.

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<v Speaker 1>So he here are you with the Here a few

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<v Speaker 1>of the basic tenants in on the origin of the

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<v Speaker 1>species and with some quotes from Darwin himself. One is

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<v Speaker 1>the organisms show variations of a variation of traits. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's him just getting it out of the way, like,

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<v Speaker 1>don't be dumb. If you think that your your dad's

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<v Speaker 1>blue eyes and your brow and eyes are revolution, you're wrong. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I like that better than his quote. Actually, let's do that.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's do Josh's take on his quote. I'll do what

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<v Speaker 1>I can, all right. Uh. Number two is more organisms

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<v Speaker 1>are born that could ever possibly be supported by the

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<v Speaker 1>resources here on the planet. That's right. Uh, stop being

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<v Speaker 1>such an idiot. There's such a thing as scarcity, don't

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<v Speaker 1>you know that. I mean this is great. Um, I

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<v Speaker 1>feel the birth of the new podcast coming. Number three. Therefore,

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<v Speaker 1>in conclusion, all organisms must struggle to live. You already

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<v Speaker 1>kind of covered that, okay. Um. Number four, some traits

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<v Speaker 1>offer advantages in the struggle. That's right. Uh, those are mutations,

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<v Speaker 1>and as Josh will eventually predict, epigenetics, not always mutations

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<v Speaker 1>though right changes to Allele's um. Organisms that have those

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<v Speaker 1>traits are the ones that will help you survive, are

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<v Speaker 1>more likely to be successful and reproduce and pass them on.

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<v Speaker 1>And then finally successful variations the ones that we have

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<v Speaker 1>just talked about that allow you to survive and reproduce more.

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<v Speaker 1>They accumulate over the years and the generations as they

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<v Speaker 1>are exposed to something we'll talk about in a minute

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<v Speaker 1>called population pressure. Right. And he points out too that

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<v Speaker 1>this is essentially specific and local. Like UM, if humans

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<v Speaker 1>had a right where you cooled extremely easily all the time, UM,

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<v Speaker 1>under under all conditions, it wouldn't play very well. When

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<v Speaker 1>you move to the northern latitudes, you die, so it

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<v Speaker 1>would be selected out of populations in the northern latitudes.

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<v Speaker 1>But if you lived in the tropics, it would probably

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<v Speaker 1>be selected um and propagated over time because you probably

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<v Speaker 1>have a lot more energy. You wouldn't just be laying

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<v Speaker 1>around fanning yourself with palm fronds. Well you do that too,

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<v Speaker 1>but you wouldn't need to. Yeah, but it's just it's

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<v Speaker 1>a nice experience. UM. So I mentioned population pressure, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's a key here to understanding this whole bowl of soup.

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<v Speaker 1>And we'll talk about that right after this message. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>So here we are in the stew I called it soup.

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<v Speaker 1>It's really a stew of evolution and that section. So

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<v Speaker 1>we need to talk about population pressure, which is basically

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<v Speaker 1>anything in a population that makes it tough for your species.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you, as an individual plant or animal to survive it? Yeah? Again,

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<v Speaker 1>because there's such things scarcity that means you compete with

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<v Speaker 1>people in your species or people outside of your species, right,

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<v Speaker 1>like a lion wants to eat you. Yeah, there's always

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<v Speaker 1>it's always going on, yes, um. And then even if

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<v Speaker 1>you lived in total harmony with all the plants and

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<v Speaker 1>animals around you and vice versa, nature is still shooting

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<v Speaker 1>lightning bolts at you, train your floods, droughts, famine, all

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<v Speaker 1>that stuff there is always in and is Darwin put

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<v Speaker 1>it like every organism struggles to survive one way or another. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And that can really speed things up as far as

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<v Speaker 1>alleal frequency change, Like if you flood it out an

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<v Speaker 1>entire country, you're gonna see some big changes within a

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<v Speaker 1>generation or two. It's not necessarily over hundreds of years,

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<v Speaker 1>that's right, um. And that's because Uh. When you have

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<v Speaker 1>something especially like uh, a flood or drought or just

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<v Speaker 1>some severe increase sudden increase in population pressure, it goes

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<v Speaker 1>from just background population pressure to something very acute and pronounced.

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<v Speaker 1>I got a lot of the population dies off. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Like his example is pretty great. Actually about the fire.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's say a fire killed all the vegetation under fifteen

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<v Speaker 1>feet and a population of giraffes, anything under fifteen feet

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<v Speaker 1>is gonna have a hard time reaching food, and so

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<v Speaker 1>they're gonna start reproducing and making taller giraffes pretty much

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<v Speaker 1>as fast as they can write. The ones that can't

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<v Speaker 1>reach food will die off, a lot of them before

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<v Speaker 1>they can reproduce. The ones that can reach food will

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<v Speaker 1>live to reproduce, which will produce those taller giraffes. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>And what just happened then in that giraffe example is

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<v Speaker 1>called a population bottleneck. Something happened that took a large population,

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<v Speaker 1>reduced it down to a smaller amount. And then usually

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<v Speaker 1>in that smaller group, there's going to be some traits

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever that used to be evenly distributed among the

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<v Speaker 1>population that are now really concentrated and clustered. And like

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<v Speaker 1>it could be something super rare that is now the

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<v Speaker 1>trade right exactly. So if you have a super rare

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<v Speaker 1>trait spread out very evenly among a large population, that

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<v Speaker 1>trait may or may not ever be selected, and if

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<v Speaker 1>it is selected, it may take a very long time

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<v Speaker 1>to be selected because there's so many other competing traits. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>when a lot of those other competing traits are narrow

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<v Speaker 1>we weeded out, and you have that population bottlenecked, those

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<v Speaker 1>traits are going to be very pronounced and they they're

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<v Speaker 1>going to be selected very quickly. So you have a

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<v Speaker 1>very quick change in evolution as a result of sudden

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<v Speaker 1>acute population bottlenecks. Yeah, it basically becomes the norm. So

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<v Speaker 1>in that area of where the fire ended up killing

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<v Speaker 1>shorter giraffes, the norm will now be super tall giraffes exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>And don't say chuck. All giraffes are super tall, super

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<v Speaker 1>super tall, super super tall. And this is apparently happened

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<v Speaker 1>to humans. Um there's a population bottleneck. Supposedly around seventy

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<v Speaker 1>tho years ago. Um uh, there was something called the

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<v Speaker 1>Toba eruption, huge supervolcano created like a six to ten

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<v Speaker 1>year long winner and dropped the number of humans Homo

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<v Speaker 1>sapiens down to something as low as possibly three thousand people. Yeah, so, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>the planet on the whole planet, and they're not quite

0:27:25.840 --> 0:27:30.280
<v Speaker 1>sure like what what um variations were selected out of that,

0:27:30.920 --> 0:27:33.960
<v Speaker 1>but you can bet there was an enormous change within

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<v Speaker 1>years of that event. Boy, I wonder what it was

0:27:38.520 --> 0:27:41.560
<v Speaker 1>like before that, right, it's pretty interesting. So let's say

0:27:41.560 --> 0:27:45.280
<v Speaker 1>the giraffes, like everything was hunky dory, no fires, no nothing,

0:27:45.720 --> 0:27:48.080
<v Speaker 1>but just some of them decided that they wanted to

0:27:48.119 --> 0:27:51.439
<v Speaker 1>see if there really are no such thing as zebras

0:27:51.440 --> 0:27:54.000
<v Speaker 1>in South America. So they hop on a boat and

0:27:54.040 --> 0:27:57.280
<v Speaker 1>they sailed to South America and they establish a new

0:27:57.320 --> 0:28:01.280
<v Speaker 1>little giraffe colony there. Yeah, well we'll result from that

0:28:01.440 --> 0:28:04.440
<v Speaker 1>is called the founder effect. And there is a band,

0:28:04.440 --> 0:28:06.680
<v Speaker 1>by the way, I already looked, no, yeah, I thought

0:28:06.760 --> 0:28:08.920
<v Speaker 1>there's gotta be one, and it is h and I

0:28:09.040 --> 0:28:12.240
<v Speaker 1>listen to their song. How is it? It was pretty good?

0:28:12.320 --> 0:28:15.520
<v Speaker 1>What kind of music, you know, sort of uh, giraffe

0:28:15.720 --> 0:28:21.960
<v Speaker 1>in the Giraffe shoegazy. Okay, not bad? Um so anyway, Yeah,

0:28:22.000 --> 0:28:24.399
<v Speaker 1>the founder effect is when you quite literally, when a

0:28:24.440 --> 0:28:29.280
<v Speaker 1>population founds a new area and don't have sex with

0:28:29.320 --> 0:28:32.840
<v Speaker 1>that other population anymore. Right, So, and you can have

0:28:33.160 --> 0:28:36.720
<v Speaker 1>very different traits from even if it's a giraffe, from

0:28:36.760 --> 0:28:40.040
<v Speaker 1>the ones in Africa, because they set up camp in

0:28:40.040 --> 0:28:46.120
<v Speaker 1>a new place, right, and it's almost like an unforced bottleneck. Yeah,

0:28:46.320 --> 0:28:48.920
<v Speaker 1>you know they have voluntary bottleneck. Yeah. Nature didn't kill

0:28:48.960 --> 0:28:51.280
<v Speaker 1>off a bunch of the population. The population just broke

0:28:51.320 --> 0:28:54.160
<v Speaker 1>off from from a larger group to a smaller group.

0:28:54.200 --> 0:28:57.400
<v Speaker 1>And that smaller groups probably going to have some weird

0:28:57.440 --> 0:29:01.200
<v Speaker 1>trader too that are going to be select and and

0:29:02.320 --> 0:29:07.600
<v Speaker 1>push evolution along faster than usual. Yeah, alright, let's talk

0:29:07.600 --> 0:29:10.120
<v Speaker 1>about this then. Okay, let me pose a question to you, sir,

0:29:10.240 --> 0:29:14.480
<v Speaker 1>that I know the answer to. Uh, what about things

0:29:14.600 --> 0:29:17.680
<v Speaker 1>that don't evolve anymore? Buddy? What about like the shark

0:29:17.840 --> 0:29:20.600
<v Speaker 1>that's been about the same for millions of years? Show

0:29:20.680 --> 0:29:25.280
<v Speaker 1>me your natural selection? There? I got this, Okay. So

0:29:25.520 --> 0:29:29.479
<v Speaker 1>sharks are a great example, um, because they haven't changed

0:29:29.560 --> 0:29:33.320
<v Speaker 1>in millions of years because they don't need to. Well,

0:29:33.360 --> 0:29:37.320
<v Speaker 1>because basically they became apex predators a long time ago

0:29:37.360 --> 0:29:40.880
<v Speaker 1>in their environments, and their environments went unchanged enough so

0:29:40.920 --> 0:29:44.880
<v Speaker 1>that sharks didn't need to change. They are basically as

0:29:44.920 --> 0:29:49.239
<v Speaker 1>far as natural selection goes perfect. Yeah, they early on

0:29:49.440 --> 0:29:52.120
<v Speaker 1>figured it out. It's like, all right, I've got my

0:29:52.120 --> 0:29:54.800
<v Speaker 1>my teeth and are great. My my gills are working.

0:29:54.920 --> 0:29:58.440
<v Speaker 1>I can send electrical impulses from can swim super fast,

0:29:58.480 --> 0:30:00.720
<v Speaker 1>I can kill everything I see. As long as something

0:30:00.760 --> 0:30:02.680
<v Speaker 1>doesn't punch me in the nose, I'm pretty much good.

0:30:03.320 --> 0:30:06.560
<v Speaker 1>Or kill me for my sharks, then well that's yeah.

0:30:06.720 --> 0:30:08.680
<v Speaker 1>It makes you wonder how sharks you are gonna evolve now.

0:30:09.680 --> 0:30:14.440
<v Speaker 1>But let's say pre human fishing, so, uh, two hundred

0:30:14.520 --> 0:30:18.120
<v Speaker 1>years ago up to from several million, maybe tens, I

0:30:18.400 --> 0:30:22.880
<v Speaker 1>don't remember how long sharks have been around virtually unchanged. Yeah,

0:30:23.200 --> 0:30:26.680
<v Speaker 1>so uh, let's say from millions and millions, millions and

0:30:26.720 --> 0:30:29.480
<v Speaker 1>millions and millions and millions and millions of years ago

0:30:30.200 --> 0:30:33.640
<v Speaker 1>up to two hundred years ago. Sharks are virtually unchanged

0:30:33.840 --> 0:30:36.680
<v Speaker 1>because they hit their peak and they're fine. But that

0:30:36.840 --> 0:30:40.960
<v Speaker 1>doesn't mean that they have gone unchanged or that natural

0:30:41.000 --> 0:30:44.920
<v Speaker 1>selection hasn't exerted an effect on them. Basically, what happens

0:30:45.000 --> 0:30:51.160
<v Speaker 1>is they're still undergoing mutations through reproduction. There's new allele's

0:30:51.520 --> 0:30:55.120
<v Speaker 1>showing up, but none of them are holding it. Can

0:30:55.200 --> 0:30:58.160
<v Speaker 1>hold a candle to the perfection. That's been achieved by

0:30:58.160 --> 0:31:01.120
<v Speaker 1>the shark, so they get selected out. They don't get

0:31:01.160 --> 0:31:04.480
<v Speaker 1>a chance to um to reproduce in the population or

0:31:04.600 --> 0:31:07.960
<v Speaker 1>become distributed amongst the population. So if you still have

0:31:08.080 --> 0:31:11.360
<v Speaker 1>natural selection weeding out, but rather than changing the shark

0:31:11.800 --> 0:31:19.440
<v Speaker 1>population or the shark species um our family family you have,

0:31:20.800 --> 0:31:24.400
<v Speaker 1>you have a natural selection as an agent of stability. Yeah,

0:31:24.520 --> 0:31:26.560
<v Speaker 1>or I guess if let's do a hypothetical, if we

0:31:26.560 --> 0:31:29.600
<v Speaker 1>were going to use shark finn shark finning as an example,

0:31:30.080 --> 0:31:38.240
<v Speaker 1>Let's say only sharks with you know, perfectly triangular gray

0:31:38.320 --> 0:31:41.800
<v Speaker 1>fins were selected out right to be finned and cut

0:31:41.800 --> 0:31:44.720
<v Speaker 1>off for shark fin soup. So that means sharks that

0:31:44.760 --> 0:31:47.800
<v Speaker 1>have like weird spots on their fins would not get killed.

0:31:48.240 --> 0:31:53.160
<v Speaker 1>So theoretically, hypothetically, over generations, we might see sharks with

0:31:53.240 --> 0:31:56.320
<v Speaker 1>only spotted fins, and that probably will happen because of

0:31:56.400 --> 0:32:00.800
<v Speaker 1>the sudden and acute population pressure being exerted on sharks

0:32:00.840 --> 0:32:05.040
<v Speaker 1>by humans. There has to be some sort of forced

0:32:05.120 --> 0:32:07.760
<v Speaker 1>adaptation that's gonna occur. Yeah. I don't know what the

0:32:08.120 --> 0:32:11.000
<v Speaker 1>criteria for a good fin though is, or if they

0:32:11.040 --> 0:32:13.640
<v Speaker 1>just take them all like whatever they can catch, but

0:32:13.760 --> 0:32:15.520
<v Speaker 1>I mean it could be as simple as something like

0:32:15.720 --> 0:32:21.080
<v Speaker 1>UM figuring out that they like just swimming deeper and

0:32:21.120 --> 0:32:24.360
<v Speaker 1>not coming up and like within the humans grass like

0:32:24.480 --> 0:32:27.040
<v Speaker 1>just yeah just stay. Yeah, we should say that that's

0:32:27.040 --> 0:32:30.520
<v Speaker 1>a really good point. UM. A trait isn't necessarily something

0:32:30.560 --> 0:32:35.720
<v Speaker 1>that is um visibly apparent, like it like height or

0:32:35.720 --> 0:32:39.040
<v Speaker 1>something like that. It can be an ability or a

0:32:39.160 --> 0:32:43.480
<v Speaker 1>proclivity like grabster uses the example of UM dogs have

0:32:43.640 --> 0:32:47.520
<v Speaker 1>evolved UM the trait of UM hanging out with humans

0:32:48.040 --> 0:32:53.160
<v Speaker 1>and chuck, UM tell them about the elephants because that's

0:32:53.200 --> 0:32:57.440
<v Speaker 1>a pretty good example of what we're talking about. Sharks. Yeah. Yeah, Well, elephants,

0:32:57.720 --> 0:33:01.080
<v Speaker 1>as we know, are killed many times for their ivory tusks.

0:33:01.920 --> 0:33:06.080
<v Speaker 1>And it's sort of a no, it's a good news

0:33:06.080 --> 0:33:09.400
<v Speaker 1>bad news scenario. You would think, hey, good news, there's

0:33:09.400 --> 0:33:12.280
<v Speaker 1>some elephants that were being born without tusks at all,

0:33:12.840 --> 0:33:15.560
<v Speaker 1>so they're not being hunted. And over the years, now

0:33:15.600 --> 0:33:22.040
<v Speaker 1>there it went from like like close, now are not

0:33:22.080 --> 0:33:24.720
<v Speaker 1>born with tusks, So you think that's awesome because now

0:33:24.720 --> 0:33:27.720
<v Speaker 1>they're not being hunted, but they need those tusks for

0:33:27.840 --> 0:33:31.200
<v Speaker 1>digging in defense and things like that, so they're they're

0:33:31.200 --> 0:33:34.920
<v Speaker 1>losing a valuable trait which is going to put stress

0:33:34.960 --> 0:33:36.960
<v Speaker 1>on the population as a whole, I would think over time.

0:33:37.120 --> 0:33:40.360
<v Speaker 1>But in the near term it's been selected out because

0:33:40.360 --> 0:33:43.160
<v Speaker 1>it's keeping the elephants alive because the ones that were

0:33:43.320 --> 0:33:47.600
<v Speaker 1>naturally without tusks weren't being killed by poachers, so they

0:33:47.640 --> 0:33:51.240
<v Speaker 1>were allowed to reproduce more frequently than ones with tusks

0:33:51.280 --> 0:33:54.840
<v Speaker 1>that were being killed. So, yeah, you have a within

0:33:55.640 --> 0:34:00.000
<v Speaker 1>a human lifetime, within seventy years or so, the population

0:34:00.640 --> 0:34:03.280
<v Speaker 1>has evolved. Yeah, that's what I mean by like you

0:34:03.320 --> 0:34:05.760
<v Speaker 1>can see it happening in front of us, right, And

0:34:05.920 --> 0:34:08.040
<v Speaker 1>this is where the debate comes from. Where I was saying, like,

0:34:08.080 --> 0:34:12.400
<v Speaker 1>scientists even debate on how evolution changes or happens um.

0:34:12.480 --> 0:34:17.600
<v Speaker 1>And there's basically the difference between um gradualism or punctuated

0:34:17.640 --> 0:34:22.719
<v Speaker 1>equilibrium and gradualism is just over time, very slowly new

0:34:22.800 --> 0:34:26.399
<v Speaker 1>ah lials appear, and some of them tend to make

0:34:27.120 --> 0:34:31.280
<v Speaker 1>organisms fitter, and so they'll eventually, over very long stretches

0:34:31.320 --> 0:34:36.080
<v Speaker 1>of time, be selected out and then uh, punctuated equilibrium

0:34:36.560 --> 0:34:39.680
<v Speaker 1>is like we're talking about with the African elephants, where

0:34:39.680 --> 0:34:43.120
<v Speaker 1>there's a sudden population pressure and all of a sudden,

0:34:43.880 --> 0:34:47.439
<v Speaker 1>this organism or species is forced to evolve, and they do,

0:34:48.160 --> 0:34:50.600
<v Speaker 1>and then after that everything evens out for a little

0:34:50.640 --> 0:34:54.279
<v Speaker 1>while and stays the same until the next catastrophic event. Yeah,

0:34:54.280 --> 0:34:57.040
<v Speaker 1>I don't get it. There A it says there's an

0:34:57.040 --> 0:35:00.200
<v Speaker 1>ongoing debate about that. Can't they both exist? I don't

0:35:00.280 --> 0:35:02.560
<v Speaker 1>understand why they don't both exist. It seems like one

0:35:02.600 --> 0:35:05.960
<v Speaker 1>is just constant background evolution and the other one is

0:35:06.120 --> 0:35:09.360
<v Speaker 1>um like evolution as a result of you know, sudden

0:35:09.360 --> 0:35:12.800
<v Speaker 1>acute crises. Why wouldn't they both think? I don't understand

0:35:12.800 --> 0:35:15.520
<v Speaker 1>it either, if the looking at them. Okay, Chuck, So

0:35:16.000 --> 0:35:18.520
<v Speaker 1>let's go a little further and well, I guess we'll

0:35:18.520 --> 0:35:22.279
<v Speaker 1>go back to jeans. But um, remember you know a

0:35:22.280 --> 0:35:25.480
<v Speaker 1>guy named Richard Dawkins, Right, He wrote a book in

0:35:26.480 --> 0:35:30.560
<v Speaker 1>the seventies called The Selfish Gene, and it basically we

0:35:30.560 --> 0:35:33.840
<v Speaker 1>were talking about, you know, the debate between gradualism and

0:35:33.960 --> 0:35:37.760
<v Speaker 1>equilibrium punctuated equilibrium. Well, Dawkins came along and said, you guys,

0:35:37.800 --> 0:35:40.120
<v Speaker 1>shut up for a little bit, let's talk about this

0:35:40.680 --> 0:35:43.880
<v Speaker 1>the Selfish Gene, And he just basically reframed the entire

0:35:43.920 --> 0:35:46.480
<v Speaker 1>way that people look at evolution. Yeah, I thought, I

0:35:46.480 --> 0:35:50.200
<v Speaker 1>think it's pretty interesting. Uh. The essence of it is

0:35:50.280 --> 0:35:55.040
<v Speaker 1>that as long as you reproduce, then natural selection doesn't

0:35:55.080 --> 0:35:58.200
<v Speaker 1>care about you after that, right after you've passed on

0:35:58.239 --> 0:36:01.839
<v Speaker 1>your genes. That's the important part. Uh. In the case

0:36:01.880 --> 0:36:05.160
<v Speaker 1>of spiders is one great example. Sometimes the male gets

0:36:05.200 --> 0:36:08.040
<v Speaker 1>eaten right afterward. Yeah, or like praying manness. This didn't

0:36:08.040 --> 0:36:12.640
<v Speaker 1>the female eat the the male's head, like bite the

0:36:12.680 --> 0:36:15.560
<v Speaker 1>male's head off, And we're talking about praying mannesses, So

0:36:15.600 --> 0:36:20.879
<v Speaker 1>it's okay to say female um in that case. Though

0:36:20.920 --> 0:36:24.440
<v Speaker 1>both those cases, natural selection doesn't care. The male has

0:36:24.480 --> 0:36:27.960
<v Speaker 1>done his job. He is propagated and passed down the

0:36:28.040 --> 0:36:30.840
<v Speaker 1>allele and it doesn't matter if he dies or not.

0:36:31.000 --> 0:36:34.239
<v Speaker 1>Right afterward. It doesn't put any stress on the population. No.

0:36:34.440 --> 0:36:36.680
<v Speaker 1>And that's like a really there was a tricky thing

0:36:36.760 --> 0:36:39.000
<v Speaker 1>before Dawkins came along. It was like, wait a minute,

0:36:39.000 --> 0:36:41.759
<v Speaker 1>there's a real problem with natural selection if if the

0:36:41.800 --> 0:36:44.480
<v Speaker 1>whole point is for something to be able to reproduce

0:36:44.560 --> 0:36:50.440
<v Speaker 1>and reproduce successfully, like, why would there be um adaptations

0:36:50.800 --> 0:36:54.359
<v Speaker 1>that kills Yeah, where like the organism is killed like

0:36:54.800 --> 0:36:57.160
<v Speaker 1>as a result of reproduction. That doesn't make any sense.

0:36:57.160 --> 0:36:59.279
<v Speaker 1>And Dawkins came along and said, it doesn't make sense

0:36:59.280 --> 0:37:01.839
<v Speaker 1>if you stop look king at organism and start looking

0:37:01.920 --> 0:37:05.960
<v Speaker 1>at the genes. Basically, like none of that matters, right,

0:37:06.080 --> 0:37:08.600
<v Speaker 1>So he he made his point so well that it

0:37:08.640 --> 0:37:11.919
<v Speaker 1>actually got a little bit out of hand. Um and

0:37:12.120 --> 0:37:14.759
<v Speaker 1>it came to be known as well. It was the

0:37:14.800 --> 0:37:18.719
<v Speaker 1>selfish team before, but basically it was. He characterized it

0:37:18.840 --> 0:37:21.600
<v Speaker 1>so well that it became a character. Jeans became a

0:37:21.680 --> 0:37:25.680
<v Speaker 1>character almost like they had hijacked organisms and we're using

0:37:25.680 --> 0:37:29.640
<v Speaker 1>them as husks to pass along themselves, like a virus

0:37:29.760 --> 0:37:33.840
<v Speaker 1>or something like that. Um and Dawkins came out a

0:37:33.960 --> 0:37:36.320
<v Speaker 1>number of times and it's like, no, that's the wrong interpretation,

0:37:36.360 --> 0:37:38.920
<v Speaker 1>that's not what I mean. But it's still essentially the

0:37:38.960 --> 0:37:42.480
<v Speaker 1>same thing. It's just m yeah, yeah, we are we

0:37:42.480 --> 0:37:45.560
<v Speaker 1>we we are a means of passing along our genes.

0:37:45.600 --> 0:37:47.799
<v Speaker 1>And if you look at it through the lens of

0:37:47.880 --> 0:37:51.600
<v Speaker 1>natural selection, the the as long as the genes are

0:37:51.600 --> 0:37:54.600
<v Speaker 1>able to be passed along, the vessel is no longer necessary.

0:37:54.840 --> 0:37:57.960
<v Speaker 1>So therefore the head can be bitten off by the woman.

0:37:59.600 --> 0:38:02.920
<v Speaker 1>That's right. But like we said, this isn't widespread, but

0:38:03.000 --> 0:38:07.000
<v Speaker 1>it does help explain things like spiders, right, you know,

0:38:07.239 --> 0:38:11.560
<v Speaker 1>But there's a big flaw in this selfish gene theory right, well,

0:38:11.560 --> 0:38:15.400
<v Speaker 1>and Dawkins theories as a whole. Right, there's the flaw

0:38:15.520 --> 0:38:18.080
<v Speaker 1>is is that there's such a thing as altruism. Yeah,

0:38:18.080 --> 0:38:22.000
<v Speaker 1>and this is you know, humans and animals that, for

0:38:22.080 --> 0:38:27.200
<v Speaker 1>no reasons based on natural selection, desire to help each

0:38:27.239 --> 0:38:30.160
<v Speaker 1>other doesn't benefit you in the least at all. Know it.

0:38:30.200 --> 0:38:32.080
<v Speaker 1>As a matter of fact, it can harm you before

0:38:32.120 --> 0:38:36.120
<v Speaker 1>you're able to reproduce. So even from the genetic level

0:38:36.280 --> 0:38:39.960
<v Speaker 1>of the selfish gene um, it doesn't make any sense

0:38:40.000 --> 0:38:42.880
<v Speaker 1>because you're the genes are allowing the organism to be

0:38:42.920 --> 0:38:46.879
<v Speaker 1>harmed before it could possibly reproduce. What why Why does

0:38:47.239 --> 0:38:49.319
<v Speaker 1>someone have an instinct to jump in an icy river

0:38:49.880 --> 0:38:52.640
<v Speaker 1>to save somebody? And they have found that it is

0:38:52.680 --> 0:38:56.640
<v Speaker 1>instinctual and that it happens in infants with like zero

0:38:56.680 --> 0:38:59.399
<v Speaker 1>cultural training. It's like part of us. Yeah, and it's

0:38:59.440 --> 0:39:02.080
<v Speaker 1>not a human it's either. There are plenty of animals

0:39:02.080 --> 0:39:07.640
<v Speaker 1>that um that display altruism as well, like mere cats

0:39:07.680 --> 0:39:11.799
<v Speaker 1>are big on altruism. Yeah, and I like the explanation.

0:39:12.040 --> 0:39:15.560
<v Speaker 1>It makes again total sense to me. Something called kinship.

0:39:15.960 --> 0:39:19.080
<v Speaker 1>If you've got a couple of different families, took Tuk's

0:39:19.080 --> 0:39:23.840
<v Speaker 1>family and and Bartok's family. Well, Bartok is a composer.

0:39:23.880 --> 0:39:29.080
<v Speaker 1>But what's another good cave man name. Uh, yeah, that's

0:39:29.080 --> 0:39:31.560
<v Speaker 1>a great one. So Mango's family is very selfish. They

0:39:31.560 --> 0:39:33.640
<v Speaker 1>don't like to share their their stuff. They're all competing

0:39:33.640 --> 0:39:36.920
<v Speaker 1>for the same food. Tuktok's family is very generous. They

0:39:36.960 --> 0:39:40.439
<v Speaker 1>like to share things. So over time they will be

0:39:41.080 --> 0:39:45.400
<v Speaker 1>a more successful family because they have been altruistic and

0:39:45.440 --> 0:39:48.120
<v Speaker 1>shown that kinship and they're they're improving their chances of

0:39:48.160 --> 0:39:52.920
<v Speaker 1>success by combining their their efforts into a group effort um,

0:39:52.960 --> 0:39:55.759
<v Speaker 1>which is kind of like that Paleolithic warlessness we talked

0:39:55.760 --> 0:39:58.560
<v Speaker 1>about in the Cave Dwellers episode. Oh yeah, where everybody

0:39:58.600 --> 0:40:00.400
<v Speaker 1>just kind of figured out that, like they could be

0:40:00.440 --> 0:40:05.800
<v Speaker 1>more successful if they stopped fighting and started harvesting together. Um,

0:40:05.840 --> 0:40:07.719
<v Speaker 1>and if you kind of look at it like that,

0:40:07.800 --> 0:40:11.040
<v Speaker 1>like everybody coming together as a group for a common goal.

0:40:11.400 --> 0:40:15.000
<v Speaker 1>You're also looking at super organisms. Yeah, have we done

0:40:15.000 --> 0:40:18.680
<v Speaker 1>one on ants specifically? No? I think we should. I agree,

0:40:18.680 --> 0:40:21.280
<v Speaker 1>because they are about the best example of a super organism.

0:40:21.840 --> 0:40:25.040
<v Speaker 1>It's basically the little worker ants aren't doing the reproducing.

0:40:25.200 --> 0:40:29.399
<v Speaker 1>They can't even reproduce their that goes to the top dogs.

0:40:29.440 --> 0:40:31.399
<v Speaker 1>They only get to do that. So all those little

0:40:31.400 --> 0:40:34.279
<v Speaker 1>worker ants aren't even passing on their genes, but they're

0:40:34.320 --> 0:40:38.120
<v Speaker 1>still busting their little aunt butts for the colony. And

0:40:38.280 --> 0:40:41.239
<v Speaker 1>um a super organism basically then is to step back

0:40:41.280 --> 0:40:43.399
<v Speaker 1>and say, let's not look at ants, but let's look

0:40:43.400 --> 0:40:46.759
<v Speaker 1>at the ant colony as an organism, as one organism,

0:40:46.760 --> 0:40:50.120
<v Speaker 1>And that explains the altruism in that ant sacrificing its

0:40:50.160 --> 0:40:53.160
<v Speaker 1>own ability to pass along its genes in order to

0:40:53.200 --> 0:40:55.640
<v Speaker 1>serve the colony as a whole. Then it makes sense

0:40:55.719 --> 0:40:58.000
<v Speaker 1>like Papa aunt is going to pass down the jenes.

0:40:58.280 --> 0:41:00.400
<v Speaker 1>I just need to make sure Papa aunt has food

0:41:00.440 --> 0:41:02.760
<v Speaker 1>and water, right, And you can also use that same

0:41:02.960 --> 0:41:07.160
<v Speaker 1>um argument to explain why, Like it would make sense

0:41:07.200 --> 0:41:10.319
<v Speaker 1>if um, you know, you jumped in to save your

0:41:10.360 --> 0:41:13.960
<v Speaker 1>son from a river. That kinship explains that. But why

0:41:14.040 --> 0:41:16.279
<v Speaker 1>would you jump in to save someone else's son. Well,

0:41:16.320 --> 0:41:19.120
<v Speaker 1>if you look at it like, well, this kid's part

0:41:19.120 --> 0:41:21.960
<v Speaker 1>of the same species and shares a lot of the

0:41:22.000 --> 0:41:25.040
<v Speaker 1>same genes as you, you're ensuring that your species genes

0:41:25.080 --> 0:41:27.919
<v Speaker 1>are passed along. Yeah, and you get to humble brag

0:41:27.960 --> 0:41:31.680
<v Speaker 1>on Facebook Yeah, how bad big time? Oh pretty boring day.

0:41:31.840 --> 0:41:35.879
<v Speaker 1>Just saved the kid from the river and the icy river. No, biggie,

0:41:36.320 --> 0:41:39.239
<v Speaker 1>just helped ensure as jeans get passed along. I guess

0:41:39.239 --> 0:41:41.919
<v Speaker 1>a humble brag that would be, um, well, it looks

0:41:41.960 --> 0:41:44.720
<v Speaker 1>like my shoes are ruined that I just bought, jumped

0:41:44.719 --> 0:41:47.120
<v Speaker 1>into an icy river, and saved the kid. Yeah, that'd

0:41:47.160 --> 0:41:51.080
<v Speaker 1>be good one. We should start this doing fake humble

0:41:51.120 --> 0:41:56.080
<v Speaker 1>brags on Twitter, Facebook. Oh, this brand new BMW I

0:41:56.160 --> 0:41:59.120
<v Speaker 1>got has the windshield wipers are busted. Not a day

0:41:59.120 --> 0:42:03.560
<v Speaker 1>for it. It's raining. That's just being a jerk, Okay,

0:42:03.920 --> 0:42:05.759
<v Speaker 1>all right, So now we should talk about something that

0:42:06.280 --> 0:42:12.640
<v Speaker 1>also excites me. Vestigial and attavistic traits. Um. All organisms

0:42:12.680 --> 0:42:16.160
<v Speaker 1>carry some trait that is really no benefit and really

0:42:16.239 --> 0:42:18.719
<v Speaker 1>is no longer expressing itself as a means to help

0:42:18.760 --> 0:42:21.160
<v Speaker 1>you survive. But it's not harming you either, so it

0:42:21.160 --> 0:42:25.400
<v Speaker 1>hasn't been selected out, so it's just there. And UM,

0:42:25.480 --> 0:42:28.480
<v Speaker 1>I've got some pretty good examples in the human body.

0:42:29.360 --> 0:42:35.719
<v Speaker 1>UM one summer behavioral summer actual organs like the appendix.

0:42:36.360 --> 0:42:40.120
<v Speaker 1>Many people think the appendix is of this vestigial organ

0:42:40.360 --> 0:42:42.920
<v Speaker 1>I heard that it might fight cancer. Well now that

0:42:43.160 --> 0:42:45.719
<v Speaker 1>now scientists are starting to say, we think it might

0:42:46.000 --> 0:42:50.520
<v Speaker 1>fight cancer, or it might house um like bacteria that

0:42:50.560 --> 0:42:53.480
<v Speaker 1>helps you aid in digestion. So everybody who's a pendics

0:42:53.480 --> 0:42:55.600
<v Speaker 1>we took out get inline. We're gonna put them back in.

0:42:56.000 --> 0:42:57.880
<v Speaker 1>But for many years, and I think the debate is

0:42:57.880 --> 0:43:00.839
<v Speaker 1>still out whether or not it is a remnant from

0:43:00.960 --> 0:43:05.440
<v Speaker 1>primate ancestors when um we had to digest like plants

0:43:05.480 --> 0:43:07.759
<v Speaker 1>like super rich in cellulose or something. Yeah, I got that.

0:43:07.880 --> 0:43:10.560
<v Speaker 1>We don't anymore. So that's why the appendix really does nothing.

0:43:10.640 --> 0:43:15.960
<v Speaker 1>Back when we were giant termite men, scary time sinuses,

0:43:16.280 --> 0:43:18.200
<v Speaker 1>that was what we were like. On the other side

0:43:18.200 --> 0:43:23.520
<v Speaker 1>of the population bottleneck, giant termite people. Sinuses supposedly may

0:43:23.760 --> 0:43:28.319
<v Speaker 1>um there. It's also debated. But their pockets of air

0:43:28.360 --> 0:43:30.279
<v Speaker 1>in your face, and no one really knows if they

0:43:30.320 --> 0:43:32.840
<v Speaker 1>serve any kind of biological function or not. Yeah, and

0:43:32.880 --> 0:43:35.520
<v Speaker 1>they kind of suck too, because they get infected. They

0:43:35.520 --> 0:43:41.759
<v Speaker 1>can't get infected the coxics. It's pretty exciting because it's

0:43:41.760 --> 0:43:46.120
<v Speaker 1>a tailbone that used to be a tail, and some

0:43:46.160 --> 0:43:48.320
<v Speaker 1>people are still born with them. Yeah, and the people

0:43:48.320 --> 0:43:52.439
<v Speaker 1>who are born with tails are atavistic because they're out

0:43:52.440 --> 0:43:57.440
<v Speaker 1>of atavisms. It's it's a vestigial remnant that UM expresses

0:43:57.480 --> 0:43:59.880
<v Speaker 1>itself very closely to the way it actually used to be.

0:44:00.000 --> 0:44:01.960
<v Speaker 1>It's not just a trace of it anymonger. It is

0:44:02.040 --> 0:44:06.480
<v Speaker 1>like it's like that Alleale saying, hey, maybe we should

0:44:06.520 --> 0:44:09.520
<v Speaker 1>go back to tails again. What do you think? But yeah,

0:44:09.600 --> 0:44:12.239
<v Speaker 1>it's not um. Just so you don't picture like a

0:44:12.320 --> 0:44:15.439
<v Speaker 1>human with a big four ft long monkey tail, it's

0:44:15.520 --> 0:44:20.040
<v Speaker 1>usually like a bumper or something. Didn't George Costanza have

0:44:20.120 --> 0:44:24.000
<v Speaker 1>a tail? And uh what was that one? Jack Black

0:44:24.120 --> 0:44:29.480
<v Speaker 1>Fairly brothers? Oh yeah, yeah, shallow, yeah, yeah, I think

0:44:29.480 --> 0:44:32.879
<v Speaker 1>you're right, and you could wag it. I don't remember that.

0:44:33.920 --> 0:44:38.160
<v Speaker 1>Uh what else? Um? Oh, here's a behavior um of

0:44:38.280 --> 0:44:41.759
<v Speaker 1>this digital behavior of the palmer grasp reflex. Oh yeah,

0:44:41.760 --> 0:44:43.560
<v Speaker 1>I thought this is cool. It's pretty neat. When you

0:44:43.560 --> 0:44:46.520
<v Speaker 1>go up to a little uh stinky, dirty human baby

0:44:47.040 --> 0:44:49.279
<v Speaker 1>and you put your finger in their hand or their

0:44:49.320 --> 0:44:52.759
<v Speaker 1>foot even it's gonna grab it like super hard and

0:44:52.800 --> 0:44:57.800
<v Speaker 1>super strong. Yeah, like Popeye basically, or like a little

0:44:57.840 --> 0:45:00.719
<v Speaker 1>baby monkey trying to hang onto mama, cruising through the

0:45:00.800 --> 0:45:04.120
<v Speaker 1>jungle through the grabbing onto the coat their mom's coat. Yeah,

0:45:04.160 --> 0:45:07.319
<v Speaker 1>so basically that's a behavior they think is is like

0:45:07.360 --> 0:45:09.480
<v Speaker 1>a human baby now doesn't need to grasp hold of

0:45:09.560 --> 0:45:13.840
<v Speaker 1>something that hard at six weeks old, So it's a behavior. Maybe.

0:45:13.920 --> 0:45:18.320
<v Speaker 1>So we we played tennis thanks to a vestigial behavior

0:45:18.320 --> 0:45:23.200
<v Speaker 1>and ability, I don't oh got it being able to

0:45:23.239 --> 0:45:27.080
<v Speaker 1>grip that racket? Yeah? What's what article is this from?

0:45:27.200 --> 0:45:30.319
<v Speaker 1>Is it? Um? Was it? Ion nine? Yeah? I think so.

0:45:31.239 --> 0:45:33.000
<v Speaker 1>It was kind of silly, But these are some pretty

0:45:33.040 --> 0:45:35.840
<v Speaker 1>decent examples. We we've talked about in male nipples before,

0:45:36.480 --> 0:45:38.160
<v Speaker 1>you know, we did. We did a whole episode on

0:45:38.880 --> 0:45:42.680
<v Speaker 1>um goose bumps, the erector pilly. I've never heard of this?

0:45:43.120 --> 0:45:45.520
<v Speaker 1>Oh I did it? Dump be dumb on it? You

0:45:45.520 --> 0:45:47.120
<v Speaker 1>want to explain what it is real quick? There you

0:45:47.160 --> 0:45:50.640
<v Speaker 1>go ahead, okay, Um, everyone has had goose bumps. The

0:45:50.719 --> 0:45:55.320
<v Speaker 1>erector pilly are those muscle fibers that give you goose

0:45:55.360 --> 0:45:59.160
<v Speaker 1>bumps when you don't even necessarily want them or need them. Right,

0:45:59.160 --> 0:46:03.640
<v Speaker 1>there's little musts that are attached to your hair follicles,

0:46:03.640 --> 0:46:05.920
<v Speaker 1>whether you have hair there or not any longer, and

0:46:05.960 --> 0:46:08.520
<v Speaker 1>they press it up so that your hair stands on end,

0:46:09.040 --> 0:46:12.359
<v Speaker 1>either to make yourself look bigger, so you're scary, or

0:46:12.400 --> 0:46:15.439
<v Speaker 1>because you're cold, to make your coat fluff out, as

0:46:15.480 --> 0:46:18.759
<v Speaker 1>in when we used to have coats because we were animals.

0:46:18.960 --> 0:46:25.480
<v Speaker 1>Another vestigial trait, and uh, my favorite one aside from tonsils,

0:46:26.680 --> 0:46:30.960
<v Speaker 1>is the like a similar nearus. Did you like how

0:46:31.080 --> 0:46:32.400
<v Speaker 1>you asked me if I wanted to do it? And

0:46:32.480 --> 0:46:34.279
<v Speaker 1>I was like no, And then I did it anyway.

0:46:34.560 --> 0:46:36.719
<v Speaker 1>I knew it. I knew that was coming. If you

0:46:36.800 --> 0:46:39.440
<v Speaker 1>look in your mirror and you look at your eyeball,

0:46:39.640 --> 0:46:45.200
<v Speaker 1>and you look in the little inside corner of your eyeball, um,

0:46:45.239 --> 0:46:47.600
<v Speaker 1>you're gonna see a little fold of tissue and it's

0:46:47.640 --> 0:46:51.759
<v Speaker 1>not the little bump, but it's that little thing in

0:46:51.800 --> 0:46:55.000
<v Speaker 1>the inside corner of your eye that is a remnant

0:46:55.280 --> 0:46:59.440
<v Speaker 1>of a third eyelid. What's it called? What kind of eyelid?

0:47:00.080 --> 0:47:03.640
<v Speaker 1>The p L I C A plica or like a

0:47:03.640 --> 0:47:08.799
<v Speaker 1>similar nearis And uh, apparently we had third eyelids that

0:47:08.800 --> 0:47:12.000
<v Speaker 1>would that were clear, so you could like wash your

0:47:12.040 --> 0:47:14.719
<v Speaker 1>eye and still keep an eye out for predators. And

0:47:14.719 --> 0:47:16.959
<v Speaker 1>they would come from the side rather than up and down.

0:47:17.040 --> 0:47:22.960
<v Speaker 1>They moved horizontally. Yeah, like a snake or a reptile, yeah,

0:47:23.080 --> 0:47:25.839
<v Speaker 1>or a bird. They still have them, Man, we do not,

0:47:25.880 --> 0:47:27.799
<v Speaker 1>but we still have that in the corner of our

0:47:27.800 --> 0:47:30.480
<v Speaker 1>eye even though it does nothing. So here's the thing.

0:47:30.719 --> 0:47:34.399
<v Speaker 1>We have the jenes then to make that. Yeah, if

0:47:34.440 --> 0:47:37.719
<v Speaker 1>we needed it again, so that Allele could possibly come back,

0:47:38.080 --> 0:47:39.960
<v Speaker 1>like we could have people who were born with that,

0:47:40.040 --> 0:47:42.480
<v Speaker 1>and like if it ended up helping us, Um, like

0:47:42.560 --> 0:47:44.440
<v Speaker 1>if we could sleep with our eyes upen to watch

0:47:44.480 --> 0:47:48.759
<v Speaker 1>the zombie invasion or to watch TV better twenty four

0:47:48.760 --> 0:47:51.040
<v Speaker 1>hours a day. Uh. Just the fact that we can

0:47:51.080 --> 0:47:53.839
<v Speaker 1>wiggle our ears, that's a vestigial trait. There's no reason

0:47:53.840 --> 0:47:56.840
<v Speaker 1>why we should be able to wiggle our ears. I

0:47:56.840 --> 0:47:58.919
<v Speaker 1>can wiggle, mind, can you do them one at a time,

0:47:59.120 --> 0:48:01.959
<v Speaker 1>you're wiggling you're eyebrows. I'm gonna go in my whole face,

0:48:02.200 --> 0:48:04.000
<v Speaker 1>I know. Can you do one at a time? Like

0:48:06.440 --> 0:48:11.720
<v Speaker 1>that's pretty Actually, well that means like human's going bananas

0:48:11.800 --> 0:48:18.319
<v Speaker 1>right now. So, uh, that means that maybe Josh's ancestors, Uh,

0:48:18.760 --> 0:48:22.000
<v Speaker 1>we're a little closer than mine. And as far as uh,

0:48:22.200 --> 0:48:25.880
<v Speaker 1>monkeys directing their ears to listen out for predators. Yeah, no,

0:48:26.040 --> 0:48:29.600
<v Speaker 1>it means I'm less evolved as a human being. I have,

0:48:29.760 --> 0:48:32.600
<v Speaker 1>like the ability to move ears, so I can hear

0:48:32.680 --> 0:48:35.560
<v Speaker 1>things that I don't need to anymore. And I'm fairly harry,

0:48:36.640 --> 0:48:39.160
<v Speaker 1>So this has been a depressing episode for me in

0:48:39.200 --> 0:48:42.520
<v Speaker 1>that respect. I didn't want to mention any of that stuff. So, Chuck,

0:48:42.520 --> 0:48:45.239
<v Speaker 1>we talked about um African elephants. You want to give

0:48:45.239 --> 0:48:49.040
<v Speaker 1>a couple more examples of uh natural selection and action.

0:48:49.920 --> 0:48:52.920
<v Speaker 1>The ball worm. Sometimes it happens super fast. In the

0:48:52.960 --> 0:48:55.520
<v Speaker 1>case of the ball worm, it's happening faster than we

0:48:55.600 --> 0:48:59.680
<v Speaker 1>can create toxins to kill them. Yeah, like they treat

0:49:00.120 --> 0:49:04.640
<v Speaker 1>now with no the genetically engineered so cotton produces it itself. Yeah,

0:49:04.680 --> 0:49:08.120
<v Speaker 1>I guess it's not treating I guess it is originally

0:49:08.120 --> 0:49:11.000
<v Speaker 1>treated cotton. But now cotton is growing with this toxin

0:49:11.600 --> 0:49:16.800
<v Speaker 1>that is supposed to kill bullworms. But enough bulworms h

0:49:17.000 --> 0:49:19.640
<v Speaker 1>were immune to that that they were the ones that

0:49:19.719 --> 0:49:23.240
<v Speaker 1>went on to do the most reproducing to eat the cotton.

0:49:23.680 --> 0:49:26.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure that that first generation of bullworms were like,

0:49:26.120 --> 0:49:30.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm so wasted off this cotton, but I'm alive. Uh.

0:49:30.680 --> 0:49:34.120
<v Speaker 1>And then the clovers. Some species of clover have mutation

0:49:34.160 --> 0:49:40.400
<v Speaker 1>that made poison cyanide leak from its cells, causing it

0:49:40.440 --> 0:49:43.719
<v Speaker 1>to be bitter. Therefore it wouldn't be eaten. Isn't that weird? Yeah,

0:49:43.840 --> 0:49:45.719
<v Speaker 1>just that the clovers like don't eat me. Yeah. I

0:49:46.080 --> 0:49:50.720
<v Speaker 1>make cyanide somehow. Yeah, but unfortunately, when the temperature drops

0:49:50.760 --> 0:49:55.080
<v Speaker 1>blow freezing that sells rupture releases that cyanide into the

0:49:55.120 --> 0:49:58.440
<v Speaker 1>plant and it kills itself. However, in warm climates that

0:49:58.480 --> 0:50:01.160
<v Speaker 1>doesn't happen. So what you end up with is clover

0:50:01.320 --> 0:50:06.360
<v Speaker 1>in warmer climates that's completely different structurally cellularly than the

0:50:06.400 --> 0:50:09.040
<v Speaker 1>one in the colder climate. Yeah, the warmer ones produced sanide,

0:50:09.040 --> 0:50:11.359
<v Speaker 1>the ones in the colder climates don't same clover. It's

0:50:11.440 --> 0:50:13.880
<v Speaker 1>very much like that example of Um, you know the

0:50:13.960 --> 0:50:17.840
<v Speaker 1>humans that can cool constantly playing well in the tropics

0:50:17.840 --> 0:50:22.200
<v Speaker 1>but not in north Pretty cool stuff. Yea, man, I

0:50:22.280 --> 0:50:26.279
<v Speaker 1>love this. You got anything else? I got nothing else?

0:50:28.640 --> 0:50:32.840
<v Speaker 1>Oh well, let's talk about ourselves a little bit real quick. Really, Yes,

0:50:33.120 --> 0:50:37.319
<v Speaker 1>what's your sign from the Pisces? I can't wiggle my ears? Um? No,

0:50:37.560 --> 0:50:40.600
<v Speaker 1>humans like we have, like I was saying, we have

0:50:40.760 --> 0:50:44.360
<v Speaker 1>jets now, so like we're one large population right. Um.

0:50:44.400 --> 0:50:47.400
<v Speaker 1>That's just one example of how we've essentially taken ourselves

0:50:47.400 --> 0:50:50.920
<v Speaker 1>out of the evolution game. We even more to the point,

0:50:51.000 --> 0:50:55.000
<v Speaker 1>we have such thing as birth control, artificial birth control. UM,

0:50:55.120 --> 0:50:57.839
<v Speaker 1>we have a lot of different things that we do

0:50:58.239 --> 0:51:05.280
<v Speaker 1>inadvertently or advert only to UM, to adapt, to change ourselves,

0:51:05.280 --> 0:51:11.120
<v Speaker 1>to change our ability to reproduce whatever. So I wonder, then,

0:51:11.440 --> 0:51:15.840
<v Speaker 1>are we UM out of the evolution game already forever?

0:51:16.200 --> 0:51:21.040
<v Speaker 1>Will we ever be able to if we're not? Yeah?

0:51:21.120 --> 0:51:22.719
<v Speaker 1>And I mean is that the case? Like I know,

0:51:22.760 --> 0:51:25.759
<v Speaker 1>it's the goal of trans humanism is to say so long,

0:51:26.040 --> 0:51:30.120
<v Speaker 1>suckers the evolution and just be totally in charge. But

0:51:30.200 --> 0:51:34.200
<v Speaker 1>I also wonder, like UM with birth control, birth control

0:51:34.280 --> 0:51:39.920
<v Speaker 1>is an artificial it's it's unnatural selection. Yeah, it's artificial

0:51:39.920 --> 0:51:43.160
<v Speaker 1>black aide to reproducing, right, which flies in the face

0:51:43.200 --> 0:51:46.640
<v Speaker 1>of natural selection. My question is is natural selection enough

0:51:46.840 --> 0:51:51.319
<v Speaker 1>of a UM powerful process that eventually UM women are

0:51:51.360 --> 0:51:56.400
<v Speaker 1>going to start evolving an immunity to birth control, or

0:51:56.960 --> 0:51:59.799
<v Speaker 1>is human ingenuity so strong that it's like we've got

0:52:00.080 --> 0:52:02.880
<v Speaker 1>natural selection beaten. It's just gone now, it's done for

0:52:03.040 --> 0:52:06.520
<v Speaker 1>us aside from fires and floods and famines and droughts

0:52:06.520 --> 0:52:09.760
<v Speaker 1>and all that. But I mean, like on that graduated

0:52:09.880 --> 0:52:15.000
<v Speaker 1>or gradual background natural selection, or we have we taken

0:52:15.000 --> 0:52:17.560
<v Speaker 1>ourselves out of that I wonder or is it enough

0:52:17.560 --> 0:52:21.600
<v Speaker 1>of a population pressure to have the effect to begin with? Yeah,

0:52:21.719 --> 0:52:25.000
<v Speaker 1>just from the fact that there's so many humans that

0:52:25.000 --> 0:52:29.120
<v Speaker 1>that that there's scarcity exists. So I guess not. I

0:52:29.120 --> 0:52:32.359
<v Speaker 1>guess we just answered my question. Man. I really didn't

0:52:32.400 --> 0:52:34.319
<v Speaker 1>think it was going to get answered, but it just did.

0:52:34.440 --> 0:52:37.800
<v Speaker 1>We're still under the effects and influence of natural selection.

0:52:37.880 --> 0:52:42.200
<v Speaker 1>It's a podcast miracle bow before natural selection humans. I

0:52:42.239 --> 0:52:44.680
<v Speaker 1>want to take a second to say hi to all

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<v Speaker 1>the sixth through ninth grade science classes who are listening

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<v Speaker 1>to this right now. I assume there's at least one

0:52:51.080 --> 0:52:57.040
<v Speaker 1>or two Hi. Okay, so natural selection right, all right? Uh,

0:52:57.080 --> 0:52:59.200
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0:53:23.000 --> 0:53:25.600
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0:53:29.520 --> 0:53:32.319
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<v Speaker 1>was unable to go to school for periods of time

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<v Speaker 1>and quit all her beloved after school activities. Um one day,

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<v Speaker 1>she said to my sister, Mommy, there are two of you.

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<v Speaker 1>One is up here, one is down there. Which one

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<v Speaker 1>is the real you? Another alarming and creeping creepy statement was,

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<v Speaker 1>my legs don't work anymore. Enter Uncle Josh and Uncle Chuck.

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<v Speaker 1>After listening to the podcast on how ticks Work, I

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<v Speaker 1>encourage my sister to have my niece tested for lime disease.

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<v Speaker 1>Despite not having any evidence of being bitten or being

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<v Speaker 1>in a region known for dear ticks. She was tested

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<v Speaker 1>and indeed did have lime disease. That is awesome, Uncle

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<v Speaker 1>Josh and Uncle Chuck really saved the day on this one.

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<v Speaker 1>Ava was in pain, confused, and very afraid because she

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<v Speaker 1>didn't understand what was happening. None of the doctors suspected

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<v Speaker 1>lime disease. And I never would have pushed for it

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<v Speaker 1>without or even tested for it in the first place,

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<v Speaker 1>if your podcast hadn't tipped me off to the possibility.

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<v Speaker 1>That is so cool that the girl owas like her

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<v Speaker 1>well being to us, uh and to the doctors that

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<v Speaker 1>have helped her to a lesser extent. After the treatment,

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<v Speaker 1>she's back to her old, happy, studious and energetic self.

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<v Speaker 1>She's a brilliant young girl and we'll have a bright

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<v Speaker 1>future thanks to you guys having her back and making

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<v Speaker 1>her full recovery possible. Much love, Michelle Marianni. That's awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for letting us know that, Michelle. Ava. Right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's really neat way to go Ava, way to beat

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<v Speaker 1>that Lime disease. Stupid ticks hate ticks, even hate the episode.

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<v Speaker 1>That was a great one. We need to do aligned

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<v Speaker 1>disease episode when they're supposedly it is very controversial and

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<v Speaker 1>I've never really looked into it. Okay, I've heard you

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<v Speaker 1>could make money selling your blood. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>that's true. Oh it is okay. Uh. You have to

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<v Speaker 1>do on the black market though, because they don't pay

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<v Speaker 1>on the regular market. It's all like, well, I'm a

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<v Speaker 1>do gooder. Um, So if you want to get in

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