1 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:05,360 Speaker 1: Ron an Aian, I understand what it is to deal 2 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:07,960 Speaker 1: with broken cars. It hits me at a personal level, 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:10,639 Speaker 1: that hits me at a professional level. And I know 4 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:12,799 Speaker 1: why you asked the questions you asked. Is the rest 5 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:15,239 Speaker 1: of the car okay? And that's a great question to ask. 6 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:41,480 Speaker 2: Sell Yahood, shine, great John and Vilvin, you know. 7 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 3: The. 8 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 1: Car Doctor. 9 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 4: We want to take off the intake manifold and the 10 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 4: valve cover gap a valve cover because they're different. And 11 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 4: take the intake manifold and the valve cover off of 12 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:49,839 Speaker 4: the two thousand and four engines and put it on 13 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 4: the two thousand and two which is in the car stuff. 14 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:51,879 Speaker 5: Right. 15 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 4: That is funny. 16 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 1: That should work. 17 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 5: Welcome to the radio home of ron Ananian, the Car 18 00:00:56,800 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 5: Doctor since nineteen ninety one. This is where car owners 19 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 5: the world overturn to for their definitive opinion on automotive repair. 20 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 5: If your mechanics giving you a busy signal, pick up 21 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 5: the phone and call in. 22 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 1: The garage doors are opening, but I am here to 23 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:14,759 Speaker 1: take your call at eight five five five six oh 24 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 1: ninety nine hundred and now he running and we're off 25 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 1: en running Milker by naming the car hockey at your service. 26 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 1: Now you kick off this hour of Automotive Radio and 27 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:30,120 Speaker 1: solve your problem. I want to talk to you about 28 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 1: you know, I thought we'd do some stuff this hour, 29 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 1: talking about tips from the Bays. You guys seem to 30 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:36,839 Speaker 1: like that. I tell you stories about, you know, cars 31 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:38,040 Speaker 1: that we fix in the bays and some of the 32 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 1: strange things we've seen. And we had a good one recently. 33 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:44,400 Speaker 1: It was a twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen, twenty eighteen Jeep 34 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 1: Cherokee Grand Cherokee with the V six three point six 35 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 1: liter V six that had a misfire fault. It was 36 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 1: setting a misfire on cylinder too. And I went through 37 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 1: normal diagnosis. You know, these are known for misfires and 38 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 1: all sorts of engine and mechanical issues. And I went 39 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 1: through normal you know diagnosis. First, obviously verify the condition, 40 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 1: looked at freeze framed data, looked to see when did 41 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 1: it occur. But it was a funny misfire. It really 42 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 1: only occurred at idle and at lower than normal engine speeds, 43 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:18,239 Speaker 1: you know, anything high on the power band. After about 44 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 1: twelve hundred rpm, it seemed to go away. And you know, 45 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:24,920 Speaker 1: yet and cruising down the road at thirty thirty thirty 46 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 1: five miles an hour. You would see nothing, no misfire, 47 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 1: no misfires. On a scan tool. Everything looked normal. And 48 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 1: then yet you get down to idle and as the 49 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 1: slower you went, it would it was like it was 50 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 1: speede sensitive. You would see it start to misfire again. 51 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:45,679 Speaker 1: So you know, obviously I went through the usual due diligence, 52 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 1: looking at ignition, considering ignition, moving things around. I didn't 53 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:52,519 Speaker 1: want to start doing injectors because it always stayed with 54 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 1: cylinder two. And you know, I could have surely gone 55 00:02:56,840 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 1: the injector route, but something told me no, because it 56 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 1: was odd, and injector goes bad, it's bad, and injector 57 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:08,240 Speaker 1: doesn't have a problem where it's going to be a 58 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:11,359 Speaker 1: a change. Only you know at idol it's going to 59 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 1: be different than it is under load. 60 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 6: And I. 61 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:16,919 Speaker 1: Scoped the injector and I looked at it's on off rate, 62 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 1: and I you know, I looked at and watched the 63 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:23,800 Speaker 1: pintle move electrically, and everything seems smooth and easy. So 64 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 1: I started thinking about, you know, what could this be mechanically, 65 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:29,239 Speaker 1: because you know, I had narrowed it down to where, okay, 66 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 1: this is something mechanical now this particular engine, and it's 67 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 1: been there for more than a few years. Chrysler has 68 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 1: gone to their VVL system variable valve lift, and it 69 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 1: includes four solenoids on this engine. Number two cylinder had it, 70 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 1: and they're they're turning on and off different cylinders at 71 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 1: different times for fuel economy and emissions and all the 72 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 1: other things that they tell us the reasons that they're 73 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 1: doing this. And I started thinking, could this be an issue? 74 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 1: So as I went through it, and you know, watched 75 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 1: different things have and in some of the things I 76 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 1: look at, all right, I look at I look at 77 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 1: a lot of different things I look at, you know, 78 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 1: throttle angle, all right? Is it? Is it calling for 79 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 1: more throttle than I normally would expect to see? You know, 80 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 1: where are fuel trims? 81 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 3: All right? 82 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 1: You guys hear me talk about fuel trims. Fuel trims 83 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 1: are a great barometer for you know, what's ailing an engine. 84 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 1: And you know, listen, just tell me what's tell me 85 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 1: what's good. I'll tell you what's bad. And that's that's 86 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 1: really what I'm looking for. You know, I checked oil 87 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:28,839 Speaker 1: level because oil level is critical on a modern day engine. 88 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:33,279 Speaker 1: You know, it's especially on a variable lift engine. Something 89 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:36,039 Speaker 1: that's got you know, oil solenoids and controls. Oil level 90 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 1: was good, Oil pressure was good, although there was a 91 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:41,160 Speaker 1: variation on oil pressure that caught my eye and I'll 92 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 1: tell you about more about that in a minute. But 93 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:46,840 Speaker 1: I went through all the obvious things and and really 94 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 1: found nothing. Everything seemed to make sense. I did ve 95 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:53,599 Speaker 1: volumetric efficiency test, which is measuring, you know, pulling air 96 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 1: into the engine as the engine mechanically capable, and it 97 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 1: passed VE. Yet it always ran worse at idle. And 98 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 1: you know, I like VeVe as a measurement of how 99 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 1: much can an engine breathe can it suck in enough air? 100 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 1: You know, is it matching the Cubican's displacement or the 101 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 1: leader displacement of the engine to the amount of airflow 102 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: coming in? And you know, you can learn a lot 103 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 1: by looking at ve volumetric efficiency. And we don't talk 104 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 1: about it enough here, but it's something that's in the arsenal. 105 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:29,279 Speaker 1: But I came back to oil pressure because I noticed 106 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 1: it sounds funny now, but in looking at oil pressure, 107 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 1: I noticed oil pressure at idle was right on the 108 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:40,920 Speaker 1: fuzzy edge of minimum and the needle would fluctuate it. 109 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:43,920 Speaker 1: It had some bounce to it, and that caught my eye, 110 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:46,479 Speaker 1: like why was that? What was that? You know, you 111 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 1: start looking at everything. It was almost funny how the 112 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:52,839 Speaker 1: needle was moving, almost like it was a bad gauge. 113 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 1: And I said, well, let's assume it's not. You know, 114 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:58,479 Speaker 1: I looked at the sending unit and you know, there 115 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 1: was no leaks and everything seemed okay there. And I 116 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:05,040 Speaker 1: could have gone through, pulled the mechanical you know, pull 117 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:07,159 Speaker 1: this sending unit and put a mechanical gauge in. But 118 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 1: I had no lifter noise. I had and these engines 119 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:11,480 Speaker 1: are you know, they're kind of notorious for that. They 120 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 1: do have a lot of lifter issues and cam issues 121 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 1: we've seen over time. But I came back to that 122 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 1: oil pressure. That oil pressure just continued to bother me. 123 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:25,159 Speaker 1: On a hunch, I pulled the valve cover for you know, 124 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 1: cylinder number two for that bank, and I looked it 125 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 1: over and over and over, and I didn't I didn't 126 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 1: see anything. Everything looked right, you know, rockers looked correct. 127 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 1: There seemed to be you know, engine was clean inside. 128 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:39,280 Speaker 1: I didn't see anything ot and it wasn't a super 129 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 1: high mileage vehicle. This was a I think it was 130 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 1: like forty eight thousand miles. It wasn't a lot of 131 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 1: mileage on this vehicle. And then I noticed, you know, 132 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 1: up front, if you could see it, there are two 133 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 1: cam sprockets in take in take and exhaust, and you 134 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:56,480 Speaker 1: know the timing chain is that there is a dual 135 00:06:56,520 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: overhead cam timing chain motor and in between the two 136 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 1: sprockets there are three bolts. Well, I actually had two bolts, 137 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 1: because I had two bolts coming out of the head 138 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 1: horizontally that you were there. And then there was an 139 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 1: open hole that was threaded in it. It almost looked 140 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 1: like it was supposed to be there. But then what 141 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 1: caught my eye was if I looked down and to 142 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 1: the left, there was a bolt laying there. The parts 143 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 1: aren't supposed to fall off as you go right. Gee, 144 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 1: what the heck is this? And then I realized I 145 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 1: was looking at the open oil galley and evidently this 146 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 1: is getting to be a common thing. I started doing 147 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 1: some research and a lot of mechanics are talking about this, 148 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 1: that they're seeing this particular bolt, especially cylinder number two 149 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 1: because cylinder number two has a variable valve lift solenoid 150 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 1: on it, and this bolt fell out of the hole. 151 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 1: It loosened up and fell out of the hole and 152 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 1: it lost oil pressure. It couldn't because that's how they're 153 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 1: doing it. They're using the solenoid to flow oil to 154 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 1: deactivate the cylinder through this super fancy Kakamami rocker arms 155 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 1: design set up that they've got. And it just wasn't working, 156 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 1: and it wasn't working properly, and you know, at idle 157 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 1: it would create a miss but all idle it had 158 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 1: enough to make it go away. So I, you know, 159 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 1: put some seal a on the bolt threads, popped it 160 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 1: back in, made sure it was tight towards with the 161 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 1: spec and put it all back together and it was fixed. 162 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 1: And I mentioned this to you because I think it's, well, yeah, 163 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 1: it's probably the first time, you know what, I've used 164 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 1: oil pressure to diagnose a problem. And it made me 165 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 1: think about, you know, how technology and diagnostics have changed. 166 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 1: It's evolved right over the years. We're going to start 167 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 1: using everything because everything becomes everything in the sense that 168 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 1: everything is involved in an engine, and it changes the 169 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 1: systems and the components, and you know, the different ways 170 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 1: that we're going to attack and solve the diagnostic dilemma 171 00:08:58,120 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 1: of the car today in the car in the future. 172 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:04,079 Speaker 1: You know, I would say that this has become such 173 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:08,200 Speaker 1: a problem. I sort of think we're going to see Chrysler, Jeep, 174 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 1: whoever it is, you know, whoever the company will want 175 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 1: to believe, whoever they are at this point, they're going 176 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 1: to you know, probably put out a bolt in for it. 177 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 1: They haven't as of yet. But like I said, I 178 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:22,199 Speaker 1: saw oil pressure you know, dropping to you know, twenty 179 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 1: maybe nineteen eighteen, nineteen twenty p side idol and you know, 180 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 1: it got worse in gear. The lower the RPN went, 181 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 1: the worse it went. And you know, I noticed after 182 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 1: I put the bolt in that I never saw oil 183 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 1: pressure go below thirty two pounds. So who to funk it? Right? 184 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:44,320 Speaker 1: Oil pressure can help you diagnose a diagnosed a vehicle 185 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 1: engine problem misfire that you know, it's it's it's there, right, 186 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 1: It's just different technology. So if you have one of 187 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 1: these and you know you're you're up against it, if 188 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 1: you're a mechanic and you're trying to diagnose a misfire, 189 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 1: start thinking about the different ways that you know the 190 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:04,080 Speaker 1: vehicle can operate it's not all just straight started up. 191 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:06,599 Speaker 1: It's always in six cylinder mode. It's always kind of 192 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 1: chugging along because there are there are differences. You know, 193 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 1: there are things that will make it change in its approach, 194 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:16,839 Speaker 1: and you know, it's just it's just different. Customers a 195 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:19,560 Speaker 1: very happy because you know, he had been to a 196 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 1: couple of other repair shops and they were starting to 197 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 1: talk about and I kind of knew he'd been to 198 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 1: other repair shops because you could see, you know, this 199 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 1: this was a new spark plug and this was a 200 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 1: new coil, and you know the parts changes were hard 201 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:34,200 Speaker 1: at it, trying to sell things and you know, not 202 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 1: diagnose anything. And you know, he was happy because he 203 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 1: was down to the point where he was. He confided 204 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 1: in me afterwards. They never tell you this upfront going in, 205 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:45,719 Speaker 1: but he confided in me afterwards. How you know he 206 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 1: had been hearing from a couple of the other repair 207 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 1: shops that this was a mechanical condition in the engine 208 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:52,960 Speaker 1: and it must need an engine because all these engines 209 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 1: are junk. You know, I'm not a fan of this 210 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 1: particular motor. I've seen it do some strange things, haven't 211 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:02,080 Speaker 1: seen it do this shit, though, And I guess the 212 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 1: variable valve motors are just now getting to the age 213 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 1: where they're becoming more predominant and after market shops versus 214 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:10,079 Speaker 1: the dealer, and we're going to start to see more 215 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 1: and more of this, you know. But yeah, he was 216 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 1: very happy. We put that bolt back in, snugged it 217 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 1: up and all as well. So technology marches on right 218 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 1: as the car changes, so do we as we change 219 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 1: our approach to fixing it. So there's your story. Start 220 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 1: off this hour. More to come. I'm running Enning of 221 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:26,840 Speaker 1: the Car Doctor. I'll be back right after this. 222 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 6: Don't go away, good time. 223 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 1: Ride it on the wall so you don't forget to 224 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:47,440 Speaker 1: call for car advice. Done right? Eight five five five 225 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 1: six zero nine nine zero zero. 226 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 5: Now back to row. 227 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:53,680 Speaker 1: Welcome back, run Nanting the Car Doctor. Let's do a 228 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 1: quick piece of email. I'm trying to make this a 229 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 1: diagnostic tip, and you know some of the things I 230 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 1: found ore. Let's do an email. Hey, Ron, I've got 231 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 1: a twenty three Chevy Silverado that every once in a 232 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:06,079 Speaker 1: while we'll go into a no crank, no start condition. 233 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:08,440 Speaker 1: I push the button, nothing happens, and I'm not quite 234 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:09,960 Speaker 1: sure what to do. I've taken it back to the 235 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:12,680 Speaker 1: dealership several times, and they've been unable to produce it 236 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 1: because it happens so intermittently. And I want to know 237 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 1: what your thoughts are. I figured you might have a 238 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:21,440 Speaker 1: tip up your sleeve. Fred in Wyoming. Yeah, Fred, no 239 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 1: place to get stuck Wyoming, Right, a lot of space 240 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 1: out there in between, you know, Fred, I've seen this 241 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 1: or I've heard of this. I haven't seen it, but 242 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 1: I have heard of this before. As a matter of fact, 243 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 1: one of the mechanics forums that I belong to where 244 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:36,320 Speaker 1: I'm always reading, there was conversation that someone there is 245 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:39,720 Speaker 1: having a similar problem twenty three Chevy Silverado with a 246 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 1: push button start, where every four or five months they 247 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 1: would go out on a road call and the vehicle 248 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:49,719 Speaker 1: would be in this no crank, no start condition, and 249 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:53,959 Speaker 1: the repair for it became to disconnect both battery cables, 250 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 1: which obviously is something we don't want to do, and 251 00:12:57,040 --> 00:13:00,559 Speaker 1: you know, tie them together, you know, to short them 252 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:03,439 Speaker 1: together and let them bleed down and then it starts 253 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 1: over and then the truck starts well. And listen, I 254 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 1: tell you guys this because you know, obviously this is 255 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 1: not something you want to do. You don't want to 256 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 1: start getting in the habit of to fix a vehicle 257 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:17,079 Speaker 1: disconnect the battery, especially on a modern day vehicle because 258 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 1: of all the profile, all the information, all the adaptives, 259 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 1: everything that would have to be reset. And it's just 260 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:26,720 Speaker 1: not it's great to get you out of trouble, right, 261 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:28,080 Speaker 1: we want you to get home, we want you to 262 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:30,200 Speaker 1: be safe, get off the road. But it's not something 263 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:31,560 Speaker 1: we want you to do. Hey, let me fix the car, 264 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 1: you know, disconnect the cables. Okay, we're good. No, that's 265 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 1: not how we want to do this professionally. And they 266 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:39,839 Speaker 1: were talking about it in the forum. How this is. 267 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:42,320 Speaker 1: They've been doing this every four or five months. I 268 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 1: went and I started doing some research on this, and 269 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:47,680 Speaker 1: you know, I had heard of this briefly. I didn't 270 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 1: really do my homework prior. But GM has a bulletin 271 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 1: out there. Fred twenty three, na Desho twenty four, No crank, 272 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 1: no start. What happens is all right, and there's a 273 00:13:57,520 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 1: software update that your vehicle is going to get. Here 274 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 1: we are software right, and here's a vehicle. Fred tells me, 275 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 1: this vehicle's got eighty two hundred miles on it. Here's 276 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 1: a vehicle that eighty two hundred miles. It's a twenty three, 277 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:11,439 Speaker 1: it's current model year, and already the software has an issue. 278 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 1: But in particular, this one has a problem, likely with 279 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:18,679 Speaker 1: the trans control module. The transmission control module, as weird 280 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 1: as this sounds, is causing an anomaly. Where because it's 281 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 1: in the pipeline, it's on the network, I should say, right, 282 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 1: because a car is just a big collection of computers 283 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 1: and networks and tied together. That if there's thirty modules, 284 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 1: all right, thirty computers on this vehicle, and this trans 285 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 1: control module is number eight, but it's before the body 286 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 1: control module, which is number nine in the lineup of modules. Right, Well, 287 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 1: the trans control module falls off the communications bus. It 288 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:55,720 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, the vehicle can't talk to it 289 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 1: for whatever reason, And all of a sudden, now things 290 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 1: after that trans control module may or may not be 291 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 1: able to be communicated with. Well, if you can't get 292 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 1: to the BCM, it can't tell it the crank it 293 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 1: nothing happens. So the fix thread is tell your dealer 294 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 1: to go back and look for this bullet. And it's 295 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 1: fairly new. It's only out within the last two months, 296 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:17,760 Speaker 1: I believe, and I think they've actually got an update 297 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 1: for it already and they're going to find that by 298 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 1: doing a software update to the trans control module that 299 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 1: will solve the vehicles problem. That will, you know, make 300 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 1: it go away. No parts are required, it's strictly a 301 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 1: software update and you know it should you should be 302 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 1: good to go. You know, the need for research on 303 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 1: vehicles just continues to grow. It just amazes me. You know, 304 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 1: every week, it's more and more and more. When I 305 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 1: go through diagnostic, initial process, initial check in, initial research, 306 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 1: it's the numbers up. I think the number now is 307 00:15:57,120 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 1: somewhere between thirty to forty five minutes of you know, 308 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 1: beyond the road test, just just reading and the research 309 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 1: and the different places that you have to look because 310 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 1: that's what cars have become. They continue to grow in technology, 311 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 1: and as the technology grows, so does the need for research. 312 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 1: And it's just something you've got to accept. You know, 313 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 1: you're going to be paying mechanics technicians whatever you want 314 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 1: to call us, to be standing in front of a 315 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 1: computer to do research. We can't fix the car without it. 316 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 1: Someone said to me the other day, again, God, I 317 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 1: hate this. I wish this would just go away. But 318 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 1: it doesn't want to die, you know, is I thought 319 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 1: you just plugged in a tool and it said this 320 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 1: was wrong. No plugging in a tool. It just gathers information. 321 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 1: You know. It's no different than when you go to 322 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 1: the doctor and he you know, he listens to your 323 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 1: heart rate, they look at your blood pressure. They'll you know, 324 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 1: put you on their little scope or meter or whatever 325 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 1: you want to call it that you see beeping along 326 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 1: in the er or in the doctor's office, and they'll 327 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 1: tell you, well, your your blood pressure's lower, your heart 328 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 1: rate's high, or something in between. It doesn't mean you 329 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 1: have a bad heart or bad blood It's just an indicator. 330 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 1: And you know that's all scan tool does. It just 331 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:04,440 Speaker 1: gives you information of what different sensors are reporting, and 332 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:08,359 Speaker 1: it's just indicators of what could be and things to 333 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:12,119 Speaker 1: look at and things to consider. So you know, to 334 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:15,439 Speaker 1: get a vehicle. If I was researching this, Fred, if 335 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:18,919 Speaker 1: you're out there listening for everybody else, If I was 336 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:21,160 Speaker 1: researching this in the shop, yeah, I've got to set 337 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 1: routine steps one through ten and looking for bulletins and 338 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:29,119 Speaker 1: updates is all part of it. And you know that 339 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 1: takes time and obviously costs money. And that's why research 340 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 1: has value to it, and that's why the guy that 341 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:37,679 Speaker 1: doesn't research, in my opinion, is really stealing from people. 342 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 1: They're just well, I think it's this. I think it's 343 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 1: that we'll try this, we'll try that. You know, everybody 344 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:45,359 Speaker 1: guesses at some point, but I'd like to hope that 345 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:47,679 Speaker 1: they're going to learn their lesson and you know, do 346 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:51,719 Speaker 1: their diagnosis prior to it. So just just be mindful. 347 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:53,440 Speaker 1: But yeah, Fred, that should and by the way, Fred, 348 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:57,359 Speaker 1: that should be under warranty twenty three with you know, 349 00:17:57,400 --> 00:18:00,080 Speaker 1: eight thousand miles on it, whatever you got there, that 350 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 1: should very well be under warranty. And you know, it 351 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 1: would probably and I think this is where the future 352 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 1: of the industry is going. It would probably be wise 353 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 1: going forward. On a modern day vehicle, you know, you're 354 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 1: going for an oil change, ask them, hey, is there 355 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 1: any updated software, any bulletins that you're aware of for 356 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 1: just softwares for no starts or just you know, calibration conditions. 357 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 1: I think vehicles are going to be have to be 358 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 1: software updated on a regular basis. I'm running naming the 359 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:26,440 Speaker 1: card doctor be back right after this number. 360 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:29,440 Speaker 3: Ron's into his own the auto zoned studio, and he 361 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:30,879 Speaker 3: held me back right after this. 362 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:49,200 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the auto's own studio. Here's Ron. Hey, hey, 363 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 1: we're back running naming the car doctor here at by 364 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 1: the way eight five five five six zero nine nine 365 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 1: zero zero. Let me point out that phone number eight 366 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:59,119 Speaker 1: five five five six zero nine nine zero zero is 367 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:01,760 Speaker 1: twenty four to seven. And we're trying to do a 368 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:04,199 Speaker 1: thing where we've gotten a few calls where if you 369 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:08,119 Speaker 1: need something midweek Wednesday nights, the night that you know, 370 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:09,800 Speaker 1: call leave a message, say hey, Ron, I'd like to 371 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 1: talk to you Wednesday night. We'll put you in the 372 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:15,119 Speaker 1: Wednesday night taping, but not a show set up, if 373 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And this way you get 374 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 1: talk to me in midweek you have a car problem, 375 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:19,960 Speaker 1: and that way I get to put it up on 376 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 1: air and help everybody with the with the problem. Because 377 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:25,240 Speaker 1: you know, just trying to spread the information around. I 378 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 1: want to do an email real quick from Gary Wright, 379 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:29,439 Speaker 1: say hey, Ron, heard you're talking about how difficult a 380 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:33,560 Speaker 1: twenty eighteen Colorado starter changes. I had my twenty eighteen 381 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:37,399 Speaker 1: four x four Colorado in for sixty five thousand mile 382 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:40,879 Speaker 1: five year oil change and check up. Got them to 383 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:42,680 Speaker 1: drain and flush the cooling system with I like to 384 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 1: which I like to do around five years. Yeah, so 385 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 1: I get that mention that with my all four point 386 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 1: three s ten's I always replaced thermis status a preventative 387 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 1: ever since my nineteen seventy four Nova had a stuck 388 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 1: thermostat at ninety thousand miles. Lol. They left and said, 389 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:55,919 Speaker 1: I don't think you want us to do that. It's 390 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 1: an eight to nine hundred dollars job. Apparently Shevy now 391 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:00,680 Speaker 1: puts thermistat inside the eennginell it' it's always kind of 392 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 1: been inside the engine, Gary, but they actually put it 393 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 1: in or it's sort of in a difficult spot up 394 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:08,119 Speaker 1: front there in the intake. Who would do that? And 395 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 1: truck had the trans shutter around month nine, like the 396 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 1: eight speed transits of that era. Wonder what the long 397 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 1: term implications are? So last question, let's comment first, Gary, 398 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 1: go and take a look at GM bulletins sixteen NA 399 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 1: dash OH one to nine, and it talks about transmission 400 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 1: adaptive functions and problems with shifts, slips or flares. Came 401 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 1: out May of this year, and it talks with some 402 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 1: specific things to do and ways to diagnose it as possibility, 403 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 1: and it seems like some of the dealers are missing 404 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 1: this one because people are going in and they're not 405 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 1: using the right keywords I guess in the search, so 406 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 1: it doesn't necessarily come up. But mention sixteen NAO one 407 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:51,720 Speaker 1: nine to them if they're having a problem, and perhaps 408 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:54,160 Speaker 1: that will help them to locate it, because I believe 409 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:56,680 Speaker 1: it applies to everything going all the way back through 410 00:20:56,840 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 1: twenty fifteen. Actually now twenty eight did have some very 411 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:05,199 Speaker 1: specific problems with torqu converters. It seems like GM had 412 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 1: some torque converter issues, and I'm suspecting that the shutter 413 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:14,360 Speaker 1: you're getting is actually on converter. Apply, so take note 414 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:17,720 Speaker 1: of when it happens. Is it you're in that fifth 415 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:20,720 Speaker 1: or sixth gear and the converter comes on, You see 416 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:23,480 Speaker 1: the RPM drop because it goes to direct lock, and 417 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:27,160 Speaker 1: that's where the shutter happens. If so, and you don't 418 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:30,399 Speaker 1: mention you mentioned now, you don't say did you change 419 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:32,960 Speaker 1: the trans fluid? Sixty five thousand miles five years old? 420 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 1: A problem trans or a transit's developing a problem. I 421 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 1: changed the fluid. I would change the fluid. I would 422 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:40,480 Speaker 1: look for metal content. I would look for debris in 423 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:42,960 Speaker 1: the pan. I would be doing my due diligence, and 424 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 1: then when I put it back together, I would consider 425 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:49,919 Speaker 1: putting some sort of anti shutter agent in it. All right, 426 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:52,199 Speaker 1: get yourself down to your local AutoZone. They'll have it 427 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:53,959 Speaker 1: on the shelf. Just tell them what you're trying to do. 428 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:57,200 Speaker 1: There's a couple of different brands out there. The majority 429 00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 1: of them work. I haven't found one that doesn't. There's 430 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 1: one in a red tube with white letters, a little 431 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 1: small thing I can't remember. I think it's anti shutter, 432 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:05,880 Speaker 1: I believe is what it's called. We have it sitting 433 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:07,639 Speaker 1: on the shelf at the shop and we'll use it 434 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:10,480 Speaker 1: from time to time. And the idea is it's putting 435 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:14,119 Speaker 1: more of a bite into the fluid and it helps 436 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:17,440 Speaker 1: with if the converter itself is glazed over, because what's 437 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:19,880 Speaker 1: happening from the sounds of it, it could be that 438 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:23,480 Speaker 1: the torque converter when it applies. Think of a centrifical 439 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:25,240 Speaker 1: clutch in a minibike. And I say this all the 440 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 1: time that the lining the it's not really clutch material, 441 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:33,680 Speaker 1: but I'll use that term. The clutch material is glazed 442 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:38,399 Speaker 1: and it doesn't apply smoothly, and the shutter agent, the 443 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 1: anti shutter agent, will help give it a little bit 444 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:44,160 Speaker 1: of bite because short of that, if it continues, at 445 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:46,400 Speaker 1: the very least, you're headed for a converter. The long 446 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 1: term implications could be that you're putting debris through the 447 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:53,439 Speaker 1: trams and you're gonna end up having to rebuild the 448 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:58,120 Speaker 1: trans prematurely, because how does an automatic transmission work. It's 449 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 1: all hydraulics, it's all fluid, it's all circuits, it's passing 450 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:06,480 Speaker 1: fluid through a orifice smaller than the eye of a needle. 451 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 1: And now you're driving a trends it's breaking apart material 452 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 1: that over time will put sediment in the crud as 453 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:17,120 Speaker 1: we call it, throughout and it's going to make a problem. 454 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 1: So and by the way, the starter, Yeah, that starter 455 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:21,639 Speaker 1: looks like a whole lot of fun to do. We 456 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 1: definitely don't want to do that job. So not something 457 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 1: that's high on the list of I can't wait till 458 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:29,200 Speaker 1: that breaks and we have to do that. I want 459 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:32,240 Speaker 1: to tell you about this twenty sixteen suburban and what's 460 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 1: really on my mind is that you are keeping your 461 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:40,720 Speaker 1: vehicles longer. And we've noticed it and we're seeing, you know, 462 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:43,440 Speaker 1: the average age of the vehicle fleet now is going 463 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,399 Speaker 1: on twelve and a half years and two hundred thousand 464 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,120 Speaker 1: miles doesn't scare you on vehicles, And I think part 465 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:50,960 Speaker 1: of it is because you're looking at the price of 466 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:54,359 Speaker 1: new vehicles. You know, we had to customer bring us 467 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 1: a twenty sixteen suburban with two hundred and one thousand 468 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 1: miles on it had a laundry list of things going 469 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:06,919 Speaker 1: on with it, all sorts of problems, missfire, cold, a 470 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:10,720 Speaker 1: low level abs, brake, shutter, you know, some body damage 471 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 1: to the back hatch. But the bones of the car 472 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 1: was good, the bones of the truck was good. It 473 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 1: was it was a good vehicle. It you know, it 474 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:23,119 Speaker 1: did well. You know, it wasn't that beat up. It 475 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 1: didn't look like it had two hundred thousand miles on 476 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 1: It looked like it had eighty to one hundred thousand 477 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,560 Speaker 1: miles on it interior wise, and except for the debt 478 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:33,240 Speaker 1: in the back hatch. And it takes time, you know, 479 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 1: and I think, if you're going to do that to 480 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:38,280 Speaker 1: your mechanic, you've got to be patient. Brian was very patient. 481 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 1: He let us, you know, go through it step by step, 482 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 1: and it took about three weeks off again on again 483 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:44,920 Speaker 1: because of all the other work we have rolling through 484 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 1: the shop. Because that's a that's a pick at it 485 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 1: kind of a job. It's hard to get out a 486 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 1: job like that and stay with it the whole time, 487 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 1: simply because a lot of questions developed. You know, I 488 00:24:56,040 --> 00:25:00,240 Speaker 1: chased the cold start misfire first. It was set a 489 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:05,160 Speaker 1: P zero fifty D and that was my biggest concern obviously, 490 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:08,199 Speaker 1: because does it need injectors? Does it have you know, 491 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:11,440 Speaker 1: an engine problem? You know, do I have valve damage? 492 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,480 Speaker 1: Do I have an issue with AFM act of fuel management? 493 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:18,280 Speaker 1: With a rock or a roller or something? Just you know, 494 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:20,640 Speaker 1: always chase the hard thing first. It's easy to fix 495 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 1: the easy stuff. No, no, no kidding, right, So it 496 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:29,680 Speaker 1: turned out that the previous group of mechanics, and you know, 497 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 1: I look at this stuff and I understand why my 498 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,200 Speaker 1: industry has the ripet has. So I took out six 499 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:38,160 Speaker 1: Denso spark plugs and two AC delcos at two hundred 500 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,399 Speaker 1: and one thousand miles, meaning that at the one hundred 501 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:43,680 Speaker 1: thousand miles spark plug change and we only changed six 502 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:48,080 Speaker 1: of them, which is not uncommon. Right, The two hardest 503 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,720 Speaker 1: plugs were left in the engine just to because we 504 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,919 Speaker 1: couldn't get to those kind of you know, I just 505 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:58,920 Speaker 1: scratched my head, I really do. The misfire was on seven. Interestingly, 506 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,240 Speaker 1: when I pulled it upon art, the plug wire on 507 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:04,639 Speaker 1: number seven just literally fell apart in my hands. And 508 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 1: once I had it open, once I had all the 509 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:10,439 Speaker 1: plugs out, I did something I don't normally do, but 510 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,640 Speaker 1: because I was looking for a problem, I did it. 511 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:17,680 Speaker 1: I took a borscope. You know, a borscope is what 512 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 1: your plumber or your carpenter to look inside the walls 513 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,920 Speaker 1: or the pipes might do. I did a camera inspection 514 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:25,320 Speaker 1: inside the engine, and I could see a lot of 515 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:28,240 Speaker 1: heavy carbon deposits all right two hundred and one thousand miles. 516 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:30,680 Speaker 1: The inside of the engine looked like it oil was 517 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,159 Speaker 1: clean inside. Looking inside the valve cover with it, you know, 518 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 1: was clean there. They had done their oil changes using 519 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:38,719 Speaker 1: good oil and stuff, but you could see that, you know, 520 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:40,880 Speaker 1: it had some carbon deposits. I don't think they knew 521 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,920 Speaker 1: what fuel system cleaning was all about, or any type 522 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:48,400 Speaker 1: of tank additive during the process to you know, help 523 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 1: maintain and keep the engine clean of carbon. So you know, 524 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,399 Speaker 1: where do you start. Put a fresh set of plugs 525 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,919 Speaker 1: in it, fresh set of wires, did two carbon cleaning, 526 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,159 Speaker 1: ran it through twice, put a tank additive in it, 527 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 1: and lo and behold the misfire was gone cold. It 528 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:08,639 Speaker 1: was fixed. And I was already to do injectors. I 529 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 1: was thinking we had an injector problem. GM does have 530 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 1: injector problems on this particular vehicle, if you have one. 531 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,320 Speaker 1: They actually bumped the warranty ten years, one hundred and 532 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,400 Speaker 1: fifty thousand miles. They've extended the warranty on all these 533 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:23,919 Speaker 1: five threes in Silverados and suburbans and the like, the 534 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 1: tahoes and such because of such injector problems. But you know, 535 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:31,399 Speaker 1: my point is that you know, if you're going to 536 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:34,080 Speaker 1: commit to an older vehicle, you've really got to commit 537 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:37,720 Speaker 1: to it. Okay, And Brian wasn't surprised he put thirty 538 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:39,960 Speaker 1: five hundred dollars into a two hundred thousand mile vehicle. 539 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:43,440 Speaker 1: But the alternative was if you went out and bought 540 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,520 Speaker 1: something new, it's ninety to one hundred grand. And you 541 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:48,240 Speaker 1: say that a couple of times, and you start to 542 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:49,720 Speaker 1: compare it in your head, and you go, you know, 543 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 1: it's not so bad, is it. And it's it's it's 544 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,560 Speaker 1: a game of patience and you can't be surprised. But 545 00:27:57,640 --> 00:27:59,639 Speaker 1: you've also got a you know, I liked what Brian did. 546 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,240 Speaker 1: Run check it out, tell me front to back. What 547 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:04,879 Speaker 1: do you think it needs. He paid us for our time, 548 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:07,280 Speaker 1: and we were able to sit down and come to 549 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 1: an intelligent conclusion and a rational approach. And there's things 550 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 1: that we're not going to fix. We're not going to 551 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:16,320 Speaker 1: fix the park sensors. Eventually, we'll fix the right rear 552 00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 1: axle seal that's just starting to seep. You know, I've 553 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,120 Speaker 1: still got to deal with the abs pulse and shake 554 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,880 Speaker 1: that's going on at low levels below eight miles an hour. 555 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 1: But frankly, it happened so intermittently and so randomly. I said, listen, 556 00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:30,760 Speaker 1: this is the best. This thing is running a long time. 557 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:33,359 Speaker 1: You know, why don't you just take it, drive it, 558 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 1: and you know, let's see where it goes. Oh and 559 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,840 Speaker 1: the other thing that was crazy was it needed a thermostat. 560 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 1: Right Gary before I was just talking about a thermistad 561 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,760 Speaker 1: on his Colorado. The engine was running one hundred and 562 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,160 Speaker 1: seventy eight degrees. Now I know where all the carbon 563 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 1: deposits came from. And for whatever reason, it never set 564 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:52,800 Speaker 1: a fault code. It never set a tempt related fault, 565 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,480 Speaker 1: which it should have. So it might have been environment 566 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 1: that it was operated. And I understand it was up 567 00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:01,160 Speaker 1: on a cherry farm I think Brian said somewhere up 568 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:05,040 Speaker 1: in Michigan, his family's cherry farm. But bottom line, you 569 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,520 Speaker 1: can fix an older vehicle, you can get more mileage 570 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:09,680 Speaker 1: out of it. I think it's just about approach. And 571 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,480 Speaker 1: I think it's as much, you know, the responsibility of 572 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:16,240 Speaker 1: you the vehicle owner, and you the technician that's working 573 00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 1: on it, to have a real good conversation and good 574 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:21,240 Speaker 1: communication to get the job done. Eight five five five 575 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,840 Speaker 1: six zero nine nine zero zero running any of the car, Doctor, 576 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:34,440 Speaker 1: I'll be back right up to this, don't go away, 577 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,560 Speaker 1: welcome back. Well, let's do a put a piece of email. 578 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,520 Speaker 1: Hey doctor, I have a two thousand eight Toyota land 579 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:44,480 Speaker 1: Cruiser or running any of the car doctor, by the way, 580 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:47,120 Speaker 1: bought it new. I get so excited. I want to 581 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,520 Speaker 1: get into the emails. I bought a I have a 582 00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:52,560 Speaker 1: two thousand a Toyota Take two. Hi, I'm back, I 583 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:54,600 Speaker 1: have a two thousand eight Toyota land Cruiser bought it new. 584 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:56,840 Speaker 1: It has two hundred and twenty three thousand miles on 585 00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:00,600 Speaker 1: it Texas Highway miles, mostly full time four wheel drive. Recently, 586 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:02,400 Speaker 1: I got in and started up one morning in the 587 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,240 Speaker 1: VSC check engine light and low four wheel drive lights 588 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:07,280 Speaker 1: were on. The car was in four wheel drive low. 589 00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:10,800 Speaker 1: Never touched the thing. Went to the Toyota dealer and 590 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:12,560 Speaker 1: they were able to take it out of four wheel low, 591 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,120 Speaker 1: but they said the sensor in the transfer case is malfunctioning. 592 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 1: Best if I just replaced the entire transfer case assembly 593 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:21,440 Speaker 1: is they don't go into repair sensors anymore at the dealership. 594 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:23,160 Speaker 1: I am looking at twenty five hundred dollars for the 595 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:25,480 Speaker 1: part and thirteen hundred dollars for labor. I would like 596 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,080 Speaker 1: to find a transmission shop here in Houston that can 597 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 1: have a look and possibly make the repair for a 598 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 1: lot less. The car otherwise is in great condition. Is 599 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:34,240 Speaker 1: it worth trying to find the shop to repair the 600 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,760 Speaker 1: sensor in the transfer case or best to replace the 601 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:39,600 Speaker 1: whole assembly? Anyway to locate a used part. Let me 602 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:41,240 Speaker 1: know your thoughts on how to keep the psychiconic car 603 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,000 Speaker 1: on the road. For another hundred thousand miles. Thanks Jim. 604 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:46,800 Speaker 1: You know, Jim, I'm going to start the last part first. 605 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 1: Any way to lookate to use part. So any used 606 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,280 Speaker 1: part you get is going to be from a two 607 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:55,480 Speaker 1: thousand and eight Toyota land Cruiser, so it's fifteen years old. 608 00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:55,800 Speaker 6: You know. 609 00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 1: The problem is it'll have high mileage on it and 610 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:02,600 Speaker 1: you could end up right back in this position. You know, 611 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,160 Speaker 1: in my mind, you know, what are we gonna save here? 612 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 1: If the parts? You know, I think they're talking about 613 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 1: the four wheel drive actuator assembly which bolts to the 614 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:12,960 Speaker 1: outside of the case. You know, if we're talking and 615 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 1: I'm gonna take a guest here, it's been a while, 616 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,520 Speaker 1: five hundred bucks, you know, a couple hours of labor 617 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:21,680 Speaker 1: there is it an eight hundred thousand dollars repair versus 618 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:23,760 Speaker 1: a four thousand dollar repair. But then what do you get? 619 00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:25,560 Speaker 1: You still have a transfer case that has two hundred 620 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:27,800 Speaker 1: and twenty five thousand miles on it and if you 621 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,280 Speaker 1: want to go another one hundred thousand, and I guess 622 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,920 Speaker 1: a lot of it depends on what sort of shape 623 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,000 Speaker 1: is the transfer case, what does the fluid look like? 624 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:37,680 Speaker 1: You know, has the fluid ever been serviced. You know, 625 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,840 Speaker 1: you say Texas Highway miles mostly, Yeah, I get it. 626 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,920 Speaker 1: You know, the chains do stretch, they do, you know, 627 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:45,959 Speaker 1: slap the side of the case. It's it's got two 628 00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:47,560 Speaker 1: hundred and twenty five thousand miles on it. We're not 629 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:49,840 Speaker 1: talking one hundred thousand. We're not talking one hundred and 630 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:53,920 Speaker 1: fifty thousand. We're talking, you know, almost a quarter million miles. 631 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,160 Speaker 1: So in the back of my mind, if you want 632 00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:00,200 Speaker 1: to keep this going longer, you know, I think think 633 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:01,320 Speaker 1: you have. First of all, I think you have to 634 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:05,240 Speaker 1: play what if if the transmission were to fail, would 635 00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:07,720 Speaker 1: you put a trans in it? Not common? They do fail, 636 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:09,840 Speaker 1: but not common. Would you put a trans in it? 637 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,640 Speaker 1: The engines are pretty bulletproof for a half a million miles. 638 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:15,800 Speaker 1: But if you're having problems with the transfer case now 639 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:19,040 Speaker 1: and someone can go through it, or you're telling me 640 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,440 Speaker 1: that Toyota can get you a transfer case for twenty 641 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,560 Speaker 1: five hundred dollars and thirteen hundred dollars labor to put 642 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:25,680 Speaker 1: it in, hey listen. At least you know what you 643 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,960 Speaker 1: got right, and then you're done. And I like that 644 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:32,120 Speaker 1: because then you don't have to revisit it again. I 645 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,400 Speaker 1: think the used part is a problem because I think 646 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,920 Speaker 1: it's going to have the agent mileage against it. I 647 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,240 Speaker 1: think if you can find a shop in the Houston area, 648 00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:40,800 Speaker 1: I don't know of any or I would be glad 649 00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:44,080 Speaker 1: to send you, you know, it's worth having them take 650 00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,400 Speaker 1: a look at it. I think a lot of shops 651 00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:51,280 Speaker 1: are getting skitterish about sensor repair on older vehicles with 652 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:55,240 Speaker 1: high mileage because and understand their position two weeks from now, 653 00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:58,240 Speaker 1: when it develops a problem, it's ever since and since 654 00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:01,360 Speaker 1: you touched it, it's now yours, and you know, you 655 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,160 Speaker 1: could sign all the papers in the world you want. 656 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,200 Speaker 1: But I've been down this road myself a few times 657 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:08,200 Speaker 1: and it's just not pleasant. So I think, you know, 658 00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,560 Speaker 1: you can try doing the shop thing. You can try 659 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:14,000 Speaker 1: finding a shop, But I think for longevity, because when 660 00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,080 Speaker 1: you get to another hundred thousand miles out of this 661 00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,000 Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, hey, I'll drive it 662 00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:21,200 Speaker 1: another hundred thousand, at least the transfer case is done 663 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:23,640 Speaker 1: when you were able to get the part. And that's 664 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,160 Speaker 1: the other thing to consider, because parts will disappear for 665 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,840 Speaker 1: that over time, because it's fifteen years old eight five, five, 666 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,160 Speaker 1: five six zero nine nine zero zero. I'm running aiding 667 00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:33,719 Speaker 1: the car doctor. I'll be back right after this. 668 00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:44,320 Speaker 3: Don't go away. 669 00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,080 Speaker 1: Now we're back and we're here to ramp things up. 670 00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:52,040 Speaker 1: Running the car Doctor at your surface. Quick piece of 671 00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:55,480 Speaker 1: email from Kathy doesn't say where she's from. On a 672 00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:58,040 Speaker 1: previous show, you shared your horror stories of replacing starters 673 00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:00,320 Speaker 1: on a Camaro L two and a collar out of 674 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:02,120 Speaker 1: the six pickup. You really scared me because I have 675 00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,800 Speaker 1: these same vehicles parked in my garage. Should I sell both? 676 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,680 Speaker 1: Get an EV No way, she says, big exclamation point. 677 00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,040 Speaker 1: I love the role of an internal combustion engine. Sent 678 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,680 Speaker 1: from my iPad Kathy. Thanks Kathy, I appreciate that. I 679 00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:15,760 Speaker 1: think everybody appreciates the roar of an internal combustion engine. 680 00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:18,800 Speaker 1: And now I just think that you can't sell a 681 00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,040 Speaker 1: vehicle because it's going to have a difficult repair on it, 682 00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,279 Speaker 1: because they all have difficult repairs. And I think we 683 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:24,880 Speaker 1: just have to get used to it and accept it. 684 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:26,839 Speaker 1: And I think we have to ask more of our 685 00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,759 Speaker 1: mechanics and expect them to be trained and able to 686 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:31,960 Speaker 1: deal with it. And I think you as consumers have 687 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,520 Speaker 1: to be willing to pay the bill. It's not going 688 00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:36,600 Speaker 1: to get any cheaper to fix cars. It's as their 689 00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:39,520 Speaker 1: technology and they get more complicated, it's only going to 690 00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:41,680 Speaker 1: go up. And by the way, speaking of training, I 691 00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:43,640 Speaker 1: just want to bring up something we talk about the 692 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:48,120 Speaker 1: NNGK NTK Shop Squad. If you Google search NNGK Shop 693 00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:50,840 Speaker 1: Squad you will find a link to their website and 694 00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,600 Speaker 1: if you've registered as a repair shop do it yourself 695 00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:56,279 Speaker 1: for etc. You know, we talk about the up and 696 00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:59,359 Speaker 1: coming webinars they've got going on, but they also give 697 00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,480 Speaker 1: you the ability look back at the webinars. You can 698 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,319 Speaker 1: look back and see like the one they just did 699 00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:07,520 Speaker 1: recently about misfied diagnostics. Excellent webinar. I looked at it myself. 700 00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:09,719 Speaker 1: I really enjoyed it until the next time I'm ronning 701 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,920 Speaker 1: Andy and the guard doctor reminding you good mechanics aren't expensive, 702 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:21,400 Speaker 1: they're priceless. See