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Speaker 1: Welcome to All the Smoke, a production of The Black

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Speaker 1: Effect and our Heart Radio and partnership with Showtime. Welcome

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Speaker 1: back to another edition All the Smoke. That what's good good?

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Speaker 1: They had another dollar, let's get it. And we got

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Speaker 1: two very special guests today, Oscar Award winners Trevor free Man.

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Speaker 1: But man, l Yeah, we're trying something. Man, Let's get

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Speaker 1: right to it. Man. Two distance Strangers Struck Gold took

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Speaker 1: home the Oscar a few weeks ago. You guys tell

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Speaker 1: us how that came about. For me. It was like

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Speaker 1: last year, everybody saw the same video what happened to George,

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Speaker 1: and you know, we were all in quarantine, and you know,

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Speaker 1: we finally had a reason to go back outside. And

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Speaker 1: it was just like it experiencing those marches and the

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Speaker 1: protests and seeing how the energy around these names and

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Speaker 1: these people have been built up in a way that

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Speaker 1: I had never experienced it before, or like the whole

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Speaker 1: world was protesting, And it was like through internalizing that

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Speaker 1: and experiencing every day because we were going out like

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Speaker 1: every day, like just wanting to be out there every day.

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Speaker 1: And when you when you're kind of internalizing that the

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Speaker 1: pain of hearing a different name. Hearing Brianna's story, hearing

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Speaker 1: the Moss story, seeing George's story, you feel like you're

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Speaker 1: just living in that loop like of emotions every single day.

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Speaker 1: You just go through it over and over and over again,

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Speaker 1: and in that cycle, you just you go from like anger, sadness, hopelessness,

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Speaker 1: and then hopefully back to being hopeful again and trying

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Speaker 1: to figure out, you know, how can we stop this

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Speaker 1: ship from happening. And when I had that idea of

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Speaker 1: like or that that thought of like this feels like

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Speaker 1: the worst version of groundhold, it was just like, you know,

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Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta do something with that, it just

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Speaker 1: kind of stuck with me. And it was that script,

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Speaker 1: Like I just went and and and wrote that script.

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Speaker 1: I wrote it in like five days, and um, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's just well it was one of those things too.

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Speaker 1: It was like, my my background is TV writing, so

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Speaker 1: you know, you have to write a half hour script

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Speaker 1: in a week when you get an assignment on us

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Speaker 1: on the show, and nobody was working, nobody was doing nothing,

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Speaker 1: and I was like, well, I need something to do anyway,

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Speaker 1: Like I can pour this energy into this thing that

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Speaker 1: I already know how to do. And you know, just

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Speaker 1: see what kind of comes out of it. And then

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Speaker 1: I tell Van about it and he read it and

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Speaker 1: he was like, you gotta you gotta do this like

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Speaker 1: this year, because we were like toying with like do

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Speaker 1: we wait, do we like shoot this like next year

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Speaker 1: at the time, and now he was so like vands

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Speaker 1: are like everybody's like we like the idead comes and

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Speaker 1: he comes with the script and I think his TV

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Speaker 1: background is like he's used to pitching something and getting

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Speaker 1: the feelers on it and see how it goes. And

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Speaker 1: I remember met him and Nick Um when we started

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Speaker 1: our companies six ft Over. We had already been having

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Speaker 1: like meetings about what it was that we wanted to

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Speaker 1: go out with, and we're talking about all of these

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Speaker 1: great things we're talking about. We're putting together pitch decks. Man,

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Speaker 1: We're go and sit down the studios. We have Flyers

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Speaker 1: animated show, we got all of this different ship and

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Speaker 1: then he goes, you know, I got this idea man,

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Speaker 1: it's like a groundhogs Day thing and it's like it

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Speaker 1: has to do with police violence. And listen to them

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Speaker 1: talking about I'm like, nigga, are you sick? Like that's

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Speaker 1: the idea, Like we gotta do that right now, and

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Speaker 1: we can't wait. Like if we look at it, just

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Speaker 1: the design of everything was that this was gonna be

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Speaker 1: a time where there wasn't much content that was coming

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Speaker 1: out right, where people felt hamstrung, They felt like they

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Speaker 1: couldn't overcome the obstacles that were in a way of

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Speaker 1: getting your art out right now, we had everything we needed.

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Speaker 1: We had to create a vision. We had all of

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Speaker 1: the sort of connections we could get it all done.

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Speaker 1: We had great partners with people over at Dirty Robber.

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Speaker 1: I didn't even know who they were yet, right, and

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Speaker 1: so it was like we get this done now, we

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Speaker 1: for so many people. And after that it was just

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Speaker 1: especially in not tre Vonne in March. How difficult was it?

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you guys can answer, but bringing all

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Speaker 1: every wall we hit, we found a way through it.

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Speaker 1: And so it was like write the script. In July August,

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Speaker 1: we start raising money. We go to KD, we go

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Speaker 1: to Mike Connolly, we go uh, like everybody's just like

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Speaker 1: ask whoever you know, whoever you need come to me,

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Speaker 1: even crazier is they weren't even allowing people to shoot,

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Speaker 1: Like there was no guarantee that we could do all this,

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Speaker 1: the hope that we get to September maybe they might

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Speaker 1: allow people to start shooting again. So we get Joey.

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Speaker 1: In the beginning of August, Andrew was like the first

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Speaker 1: and he's on board. We get the cast. Things are

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Speaker 1: everybody's like on board, and we just chase the money,

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Speaker 1: we didn't have enough money to finish all five days

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Speaker 1: it was all just like building the plane while you

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Speaker 1: was just like blessing, blessing, blessing, blessing, blessing. Like the

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Speaker 1: permits they take four to six weeks, we got them

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Speaker 1: so you need to have a company, a COVID company

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Speaker 1: more money, more money. And so I'm like van Nick,

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Speaker 1: the crazy thing about it was that we had so

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Speaker 1: we're at Lawrence's house, Lawrence Been or another producer in

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Speaker 1: the movie and me and Trayvon were talking, were talking

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Speaker 1: So it was a lesson for me and that the

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Speaker 1: idea and the art had to be more than the game.

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Speaker 1: And that's a hard step to make. Everybody want to

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Speaker 1: with it. But when you're making it just to get

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Speaker 1: it off your chest, that's normally when you hit your mark,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And Samir was instrumental because

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Speaker 1: sit in it, right. So whenever you stressed out about something,

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Speaker 1: We're wired to concentrate on what's going wrong so we

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Speaker 1: In this situation, we just did not have time to

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Speaker 1: of my pro black warriors that I sent this script

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Speaker 1: to and asked to be involved. It's a who's who

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Speaker 1: we had one guy, my bad one guy came through

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Speaker 1: be piste off, puffed it, puffed it. Puff Di were like,

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Speaker 1: Puff came through them. You know, Puff was very instrumental.

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Speaker 1: He helped us out. But it was something we had

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm in this space. Take me through the process

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Speaker 1: you guys created the film. Did you take into any festivals?

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Speaker 1: I heard? I heard you guys sold to Netflix eventually, right,

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Speaker 1: So take us to the process of once you made it,

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Speaker 1: He's ready to take on the challenge that exists outside

430
00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:07,159
Speaker 1: of his door. And he's going to be brave about it.

431
00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:09,840
Speaker 1: He's going to be diligent about it, and he's going

432
00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:12,800
Speaker 1: to be persistent about it. And he's telling you into

433
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:18,320
Speaker 1: the camera that we are going to win, like we're

434
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:22,000
Speaker 1: going to win. It's not gonna be an easy journey,

435
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:25,480
Speaker 1: but we're gonna win. And that was purposefully done by Trailon.

436
00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:29,720
Speaker 1: That's purposefully done to say that there's not enough forces

437
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:32,360
Speaker 1: out there that can make our community sit in trauma

438
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:35,520
Speaker 1: and perpetuity. We are going to figure this out, or

439
00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:37,600
Speaker 1: everybody else is going to have to figure something out.

440
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:41,199
Speaker 1: But America as it currently exists, you're looking at a

441
00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:44,800
Speaker 1: generation of people that just refused to live in this

442
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:48,520
Speaker 1: we're not going to live in this and if everything

443
00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:51,040
Speaker 1: comes apart, then everything comes apart. But it's not gonna

444
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:54,879
Speaker 1: be like this forever. And so you're making a film

445
00:23:54,960 --> 00:24:00,119
Speaker 1: like that, You're you're specifically telling that story and the

446
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 1: OSCAR what it means is that you did it to

447
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:08,119
Speaker 1: a high degree. It means you executed the filmmaking to

448
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:12,520
Speaker 1: a high degree. It means technically, the film looks great,

449
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:16,439
Speaker 1: it's written great, it's acting great, it's shot great, and

450
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:21,199
Speaker 1: you hit your thematic target right perfect perfect. The response

451
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:24,959
Speaker 1: from your community, it's tells tells you whether or not

452
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 1: it's good or not good in that particular point. It

453
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:32,720
Speaker 1: has to come for me from the people who can

454
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:36,240
Speaker 1: understand the experience and who can parse apart what their

455
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:38,800
Speaker 1: emotions feel like. If it's good and authentic to them,

456
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:42,200
Speaker 1: you win. The OSCAR helps you tell the next story,

457
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:45,400
Speaker 1: and the next story, hopefully is a heartfelt romantic comedy

458
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:48,919
Speaker 1: with two black people on a cruise drinking my ties

459
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:52,680
Speaker 1: or high jinks and comedies or black superheroes are all

460
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:55,480
Speaker 1: of that opening the door for you to be able

461
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:57,280
Speaker 1: to do what you gotta do, because they know you

462
00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:01,840
Speaker 1: can execute the film in a filmmaking fashion right, I

463
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 1: mean similar in our space. I mean obviously our basketball backgrounds,

464
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:07,359
Speaker 1: knowing that this this space we're gonna have to come

465
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:09,479
Speaker 1: and talking about sports. But month people, we can do that.

466
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 1: You can step into other spaces. We open that door

467
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:14,919
Speaker 1: to go whatever direction respective in several different spaces. So

468
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 1: it's obviously very similar to what you guys have going on.

469
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 1: Trade on. How how's it changed for you? I mean

470
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 1: it's it's been drastic, man, Like the amount of like

471
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,120
Speaker 1: people tell you like, oh, if you're win, like things

472
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 1: are gonna be different. But when you actually experience the

473
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:36,880
Speaker 1: I've been on in meetings for the last three weeks, bro,

474
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 1: Like every day it's people like do you want to

475
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 1: direct this? Do you want to write? Like and not

476
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 1: even like like big like big names, big budget where

477
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 1: you're like, damn, like three weeks ago, like like y'all

478
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:56,159
Speaker 1: didn't even like I wasn't even on your radar for this.

479
00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,720
Speaker 1: Now you're like bringing me fifty million dollar movies that

480
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 1: go like dude, and you're like I could have did

481
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 1: it three weeks ago too, But like it's that thing.

482
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:06,919
Speaker 1: It's just the way the business works. Were like you

483
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,680
Speaker 1: have to prove yourself. You gotta prove it. You get

484
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:11,679
Speaker 1: a road laid out in front of your people are

485
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 1: going to probably let you work for the rest of

486
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,359
Speaker 1: your life as long as you don't like do something crazy.

487
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 1: You know. It's funny about that too. It's like, you know,

488
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 1: you see people win an oscar for like some movie

489
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:29,879
Speaker 1: where they play like a brilliant heroin addict genius saxophone players. Yeah,

490
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:31,640
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And then after they win

491
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 1: the oscar, their next movie is a movie with them

492
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 1: and an animated gorilla. And you think to yourself, like,

493
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 1: why are they doing that? And the reason is is

494
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,480
Speaker 1: because they come at you with all of these ideas

495
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:53,680
Speaker 1: and you go, well, ship exactly like. And that's why

496
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:58,480
Speaker 1: there is a degree once you've once you've got yourself

497
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:01,119
Speaker 1: into a world, there is a degree of discipline that

498
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 1: comes along with it. Everything you get the most temptations. Now,

499
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:09,680
Speaker 1: there was definitely like a couple of days ago, actually

500
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 1: we got offered. I can't say what movie it was,

501
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 1: but it was It's a really fucking big movie, and

502
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,920
Speaker 1: I said no to it like pretty quickly because it

503
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 1: was one of those things where it's like, oh, this

504
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 1: is the trap, this is the thing where like because

505
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,640
Speaker 1: it was one of those situations where like directors fell

506
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 1: out they need a replacement and it's shooting like four

507
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 1: months and like can you And it's like if you, uh,

508
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 1: if you told me a year ago somebody would offer

509
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 1: me like something like this and I would say no

510
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 1: to it. I'm like, hey, no, I'm just saying like

511
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 1: and now, like like you said, everything is different, you

512
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:47,160
Speaker 1: gotta like calculate all these yeah where it's like, yes,

513
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 1: that is a great bag and a great like name projeress,

514
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 1: but it ain't like it don't fit. It don't fit

515
00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:59,119
Speaker 1: right now, it don't fit with what we're trying to do.

516
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 1: It don't fit the long term and you can't just

517
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,199
Speaker 1: like if you fall into it, like it could be

518
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:06,920
Speaker 1: a year or two from now, you ain't like doing

519
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 1: nothing like but it's could you guys have a vision

520
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 1: like you said, you're not just fine like you haven't

521
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 1: you know, you have your plan. Your ship is mapped out,

522
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:13,879
Speaker 1: and that doesn't fit in the plan no matter how

523
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:15,639
Speaker 1: big or what the money is. If it doesn't fit,

524
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 1: it doesn't fit. Who are some of your influences in

525
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 1: the film business that inspired you? Wow, Well, obviously Spike Lee.

526
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 1: I think the finest movie, my favorite movie, the greatest

527
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,159
Speaker 1: achievement in black film ever, The greatest, one of the

528
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:37,360
Speaker 1: greatest achievements in film ever is Mobile of Blues, perfect film.

529
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 1: Um uh, Spike Lee, Stanley Kuber, Bill Duke. From a

530
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 1: filmmaking standpoint, obviously you love guys like Stephen pi Spielberg,

531
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 1: Ryan Coogler. I think to me, it's monster to me.

532
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 1: I think Ryan Coogler right now is the best director

533
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 1: work in ease. Just got a genius way of pacing story.

534
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 1: Like when you think about Black Panther right and you

535
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 1: know that Ryan Coogler's you know from Oakland, when you

536
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: think about what was done in the filmmaking there to

537
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 1: take that story with all of those powers, with all

538
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 1: of that scale, with all of that mythology going back

539
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 1: to the sixties, and that character and ground that film

540
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 1: in Oakland and the struggle of worldwide blackness, think about it,

541
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 1: that struggle that has to do with the black American

542
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 1: struggle as juxtaposed to an international identification and identity of blackness.

543
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 1: The fight is really between The take away in that

544
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 1: movie is the fight is really between us about how

545
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 1: much we want to help us about our duty and

546
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 1: responsibility to us, and everything that comes from outside of

547
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 1: that is just distractions. Like in that movie Claw and

548
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 1: the CIA and all of these are they're they're just

549
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 1: distractions to the real which is between different versions and

550
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 1: visions of blackness. He did that with a superhero movie.

551
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 1: That's a genius action, right, dude, that's amazing work. But

552
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 1: you know, I'm a film geek. So the Stanley Kubricks

553
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 1: of the world, the Martin Score says, He's of the world,

554
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 1: like all of those guys. So you just have to

555
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 1: have a while, you have to have a palette, you

556
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 1: know what I mean of influences, Yeah, I mean I

557
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 1: for me, it's like obviously like so many of the

558
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 1: names he said, but directly like I'm inspired by Barry

559
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 1: Jenkins so much and the way that he moves the

560
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 1: camera and the way that he he can, you know,

561
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 1: just take something. He can he can make anything beautiful

562
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 1: in a way that I just like, I want to

563
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 1: just study it all the time. But like Alfonso Corone

564
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 1: is another big one for me, Like his his ability

565
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 1: to like bring you into a story and almost make

566
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 1: you forget that like you're a part of it. Is

567
00:30:56,840 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 1: it's something that I admire. Um one car why it's

568
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 1: just like one of the most beautiful filmmakers, like uh

569
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 1: in the world. And I try to like look at

570
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 1: what makes so many of the grades great and then

571
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 1: I try to figure out, you know, what element of

572
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 1: myself I connect to in that and like how that

573
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 1: shapes me as a filmmaker, because that's that thing where

574
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 1: like like I started in stand up So every stand

575
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 1: up when you're starting out, you're imitating whoever your favorite

576
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 1: comic is, Like it's just barn On, Like did you

577
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 1: just always start out writing like whoever jokes has sound

578
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 1: like your favorite comic, And over time you do it

579
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 1: long enough, you start to find yourself in it. You

580
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 1: start to start to figure out you know who you are,

581
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,479
Speaker 1: what your voice sounds like. And it's why we all

582
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 1: have influences. Why everybody was trying to like fade away,

583
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 1: like like Mike can do all this thing until you

584
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 1: figure out you know what you're game, you yeah, like

585
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,719
Speaker 1: until you find yourself. I find myself doing it as

586
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 1: a filmmaker and a writer, where you know, I spent

587
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 1: the early part of my career writing for other people,

588
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 1: writing for other showrunners, writing for other actors and things

589
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 1: like that, and then over time, within that you start

590
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 1: to figure out who you are and what elements of

591
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 1: this is, like, oh, this is just the show, but

592
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 1: this part of the script is actually like me, it's

593
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 1: like what I feel, what I want to do. And

594
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 1: John Singleton is another one like I just like the way,

595
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 1: like the way he can tell the story is. I mean,

596
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 1: it's it's gonna be missed, It's gonna to the point, John,

597
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 1: and so you like that's kind of where I found

598
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 1: my influence and and figuring out, you know, how I

599
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 1: want to tell stories visually, Yeah, man, John was resting

600
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 1: peace johns. I got a chance to go to the

601
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 1: there we there or Nick might have been there, John

602
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 1: Singleton when he when when they played Poetic Justice the

603
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 1: year anniversary, NICKI was there right, I went went you right,

604
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 1: that ship was dope. Man. Just rewatch the film and

605
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 1: then hear the whole the stories about who was supposed

606
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 1: to play Wood and all the drama that and then

607
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 1: it's cold but and fun. Fact when I first started

608
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 1: thinking of this shows, Van was our third person get

609
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 1: out of his TMZ contract. But like when I first

610
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 1: started this show, I was like Jack me, and he

611
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 1: was like, who's our third person, who's our start person.

612
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 1: Let's meet Viola. Let's chop it up, Viola, go to Vola,

613
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 1: have a great time. I'm like, Yo, this is gonna work. Man.

614
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 1: Sold you needed a year. I needed a year. They

615
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 1: wouldn't let me out. And you know something about that

616
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 1: is once again, the show is better without me. It

617
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 1: is like the show is better without me. The reality

618
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 1: is that, like everything, people get so caught up in

619
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 1: the opportunities that they missed and the things that didn't happen.

620
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 1: You just gotta know that whatever is out there for you, man,

621
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 1: you're gonna get it. Yeah. Yeah, it would be good

622
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 1: to have your around because you know, I call you

623
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 1: in text sometimes and actually opinion on stuff, so that

624
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 1: the like we have just these random conversations or we're

625
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 1: just bounce some off the wall and go add it

626
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 1: for like thirty minutes. Somebody I'm late. I gotta get

627
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 1: my kids up. Man. I'm a I'm a father and

628
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 1: an activist and a coach, but not what y'all been

629
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 1: able to do. And it's this is another thing. That's

630
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 1: why one of the most mystifying things in the world

631
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:27,359
Speaker 1: to me is Hayden. I don't understand. I really don't

632
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 1: get Hayden. I wish I could, like, I wish I

633
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 1: actually knew a hater so they could explain to me, Hayden,

634
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 1: because I see the show and automatically the show is

635
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 1: a hit. Right, Automatically the show is a hit. And

636
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 1: I'm looking at my guys when change narratives and dynamics

637
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 1: and perspectives, and I'm so filled up with joy for

638
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:58,319
Speaker 1: everybody that's winning. I'm trying to figure out what does

639
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 1: the hate come in? Like, where does the hate come from?

640
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 1: You know? People people say like, uh, well, I say

641
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 1: all of the smokers, Like, yeah, man, those are my guys. Actually,

642
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:10,439
Speaker 1: I was gonna be in this show all you must

643
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 1: really be mad mad about? Right, Yeah? Like you pathetic idiot,

644
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 1: what would you be mad about? So no, man, I'm

645
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,280
Speaker 1: I'm I'm happy. And y'all had an idea. Once again,

646
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 1: y'all had an idea, y'all went out, y'all executed, y'all

647
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 1: knowe y'all could do it in the show is now

648
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 1: a staple. It's the saying what I want for myself?

649
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:35,319
Speaker 1: I want from my brother. Man, what has it been

650
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 1: like your journey from where you started to you know,

651
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 1: kind of been known as the black guy at TMZ

652
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:45,760
Speaker 1: to now where you're at with your production company, red Pill,

653
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 1: and kind of just the way things have involved. Take

654
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 1: us on that journey you got you got tired of

655
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 1: seeing you pay for take Vann. It all took costs, Okay, Okay.

656
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 1: So here's the thing about TMZ that I don't think

657
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 1: a lot of people know is I really did not

658
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:05,240
Speaker 1: know what teams was when I got there. I really

659
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 1: didn't know, you know, my girl being there watching the

660
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 1: celebrity news and stuff like that. I never cared about it.

661
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 1: I never looked down on it, but I never cared

662
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 1: about it. Right, the thing that I would look at

663
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 1: the celebrity news shows, I would be like, hey, they're

664
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 1: covering the same five to ten stories on every show.

665
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 1: Like me and her would argue because she would going

666
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 1: there and she would watch the news, and then she

667
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 1: would watch the other one, the ten and she would watch,

668
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 1: uh whatever, the extra and all that. I'd be like, Yo,

669
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:37,840
Speaker 1: they all talking about the same ship. Brad and the

670
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 1: new girl went out on the date. You know what

671
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:44,840
Speaker 1: I mean, It's the same story. And so when I

672
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 1: actually got to tm Z. I was I was unemployed

673
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,879
Speaker 1: and I had just lost my unemployment because I lost

674
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 1: my unemployment on accident because I did a commercial, but

675
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 1: I didn't know I was doing a commercial I did.

676
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,879
Speaker 1: I did a razor commercial to where these people told

677
00:36:59,920 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 1: me to come out to Van Eyes and use all

678
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 1: these products and then use a razor. And then when

679
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,840
Speaker 1: I was using a razor, do job jumped out and

680
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 1: with you ready for pro prograde fusing challenge or whatever

681
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 1: like that. I'm like, oh, ship and so and so.

682
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:17,839
Speaker 1: After I do that, I get paid for it. And

683
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 1: so then I go on the unemployment thing and I

684
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:22,840
Speaker 1: put down that I did a commercial readjusted my unemployment

685
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: to seventy five a week. I fuck, now, I gotta

686
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 1: get a job. I can't. The government's not gonna pay

687
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:30,879
Speaker 1: for me to pay play pick up basketball. First job

688
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 1: is teensy tour guy tour gud okay. That's around the city, right, yeah,

689
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 1: around the city. So I was thirty one, and I'm thinking, man,

690
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:42,919
Speaker 1: all of these great big dreams I had and I'm

691
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,799
Speaker 1: a tour guide at thirty one. But I did it

692
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 1: because I go back and I asked her about it,

693
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,439
Speaker 1: and she says, yeah, yeah, yeah, take it. You should

694
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:54,359
Speaker 1: take it. She's like, you're gonna be on the television show.

695
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 1: But once again, I didn't know what the show was that.

696
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 1: I thought it was just like he or anything else.

697
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:02,720
Speaker 1: I didn't understand controversy. I didn't get the selacious nature

698
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 1: of the show or anything like that. Also didn't get

699
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:09,359
Speaker 1: the culture problems that existed there um until a little

700
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 1: while after I was like a television sort of mainstay.

701
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 1: I remember I was on TMZ a lot, and I've

702
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 1: said this before, and they did a video there. There

703
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 1: was a video where they were talking about different rappers

704
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 1: and they put up a picture of whis Khalifa and

705
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:29,919
Speaker 1: under that it said little by Wow. I remember things

706
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 1: to myself. All Right, people make mistakes. But one of

707
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:39,319
Speaker 1: these niggas is six ft five and the other one

708
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 1: of them is five nine five. They look completely different. Now,

709
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 1: we are the celebrity experts, like, we're the people that

710
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 1: are supposed to know the difference. We're the celebrity experts, right,

711
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:56,720
Speaker 1: We're the people that are supposed to know. So there's

712
00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 1: something in there that's either unrepresented or not being represented.

713
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 1: So I felt it, uh, my responsibility if I was

714
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 1: going to be on the show to go there and

715
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 1: then represent that right, and it was a handful. It

716
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 1: was a job that, to be honest with you, I'll

717
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 1: never endeavor to do again. I'm not going to be

718
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 1: the black voice of reason for anyone ever again. Ever,

719
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 1: how heavy was that lift, because, like you said, you

720
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 1: not knowing the history. I mean, I'm being in l

721
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 1: A so long. You've just always heard and seeing TMZ

722
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 1: Like any time anything anti black or black issues came up,

723
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 1: they looked at you every time. Yeah, but not just them, everybody, everybody, Right,

724
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 1: So the company looks at me, and then the viewership

725
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 1: looks at me, and then our community is looking at you,

726
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 1: and then our community the community is looking at me.

727
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:56,240
Speaker 1: So after a while, it becomes a situation to where

728
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 1: you almost lobotomize yourself because even if you do have

729
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:04,720
Speaker 1: thoughts on a specific issue, I just refused at any

730
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 1: point at TMZ really for me to be too critical

731
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 1: of anything that will come from the black community, because

732
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:15,880
Speaker 1: I didn't feel like I was in a safe space

733
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 1: to do that. Like if we're on like one of

734
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 1: our platforms, we can say okay he's wilding, Okay, she's

735
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 1: wilding Okay, whatever you have to protect us, don't matter

736
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 1: about us, don't matter. Do bring an A K forty

737
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:31,880
Speaker 1: seven to Disneyland. I'm like, you don't know what he's

738
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 1: been through. Like if you grew up and where he

739
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 1: grew up, you bring an A K forty seven to

740
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 1: Disneyland too, But man, should need not have the A

741
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 1: K forty seven around the kids. Funk that you don't

742
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 1: understand next story, you know what I'm saying. And really

743
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 1: that's something for Black Americans period. We get pushed into that.

744
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:56,319
Speaker 1: We get pushed into it because there's there's sort of

745
00:40:56,400 --> 00:41:01,359
Speaker 1: no standard of decency in which we're treated. Everything looks

746
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 1: a certain way, so then we we feel like, Okay,

747
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 1: well funk it. This is the thing. And so I

748
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:09,399
Speaker 1: had so many conversations man, and then this I want

749
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:12,919
Speaker 1: to shout out Charlottage and kill the Mike because two

750
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 1: solid brother two solid brothers, right. I want to shout

751
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 1: out Charletagne and killer Mike because when something would go wrong,

752
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 1: like those will be the guys, of course, Kalika, but

753
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:25,880
Speaker 1: those will be the guys that I would talk to

754
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:29,399
Speaker 1: about it, and Mike would be like, because I'm like, yo,

755
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 1: I'm quitting it's all. I'm done. I'm quit. Mike would

756
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:35,800
Speaker 1: be like, no, we need you there, and Charge just

757
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 1: never gets it, trying to be like quit for what

758
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 1: you really care about? What these people on social media?

759
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 1: He don't give a fun He doesn't care at all,

760
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:46,919
Speaker 1: Like why don't quit? What you what you're gonna quit?

761
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,319
Speaker 1: You quit? Quit for somebody on Twitter who doesn't know

762
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 1: your life. You sound bug, call me back when you

763
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 1: feel the up. But but but it's a hard situation

764
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 1: and for anybody that's gonna do it now, for anybody

765
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 1: anywhere that feels like you gotta be the black voice

766
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 1: of reason. Hey, I'm not saying that it doesn't have

767
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 1: any utility. I'm not saying that it doesn't that it's

768
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:12,239
Speaker 1: not useful. We need that. But be ready, you're gonna

769
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:15,360
Speaker 1: show in your life. Oh yeah, no question. That's a

770
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:18,280
Speaker 1: lot of stress. I'm not talking. I always wondered that, Broa.

771
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 1: People talk a lot a lot about that. But like

772
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 1: with you being a voice, like they don't understand like

773
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 1: the stuff that comes with it, the death threats and

774
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 1: all that type of stuff, because a lot of people

775
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 1: don't don't have the guts to speak out. But a

776
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 1: lot of people don't like the fact that you have

777
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 1: the guts to speak out. They hate that. They hate

778
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 1: that because a lot of people are dying inside. They

779
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 1: won't they want to say the things you you know,

780
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 1: they want to be as confident, as bold as you.

781
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 1: But then again, damn he that compliment. I can't be that.

782
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 1: The only thing I can I can do it to

783
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 1: reply to that is hate on him, and that that's

784
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 1: the only respond you know what I'm saying, And it's

785
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 1: crazy that way. Everybody got a part to play. The

786
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 1: last thing I say about this is this Mary and

787
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:57,360
Speaker 1: Barry had died in d C and TC and Tims

788
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:59,399
Speaker 1: wrote the headline to people they're like and they came

789
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 1: at me right, And at first I was I felt

790
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 1: very I felt like I got defense if I felt

791
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 1: crazy about that. I'm like, well, I didn't write this headline,

792
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:13,359
Speaker 1: like I didn't write that. I didn't do that. I'm

793
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 1: arguing on the show that the headline was wrong. Why

794
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 1: are coming at me? And then I said, that's actually

795
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:22,800
Speaker 1: not good enough. That's not good enough. That's not the

796
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 1: way you go about that. You can't do that that way.

797
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 1: You can't do that with your people. I had a

798
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 1: conversation with one of my homies from the Nation, and

799
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 1: we were talking about a story that we might want

800
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 1: to do or something that we wanted to do, and

801
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 1: I'll never forget he said to me. He said, not listen,

802
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:41,840
Speaker 1: we'll do this and if it and we'll put the

803
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 1: truth out. But if it goes left, you will be

804
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 1: accountable on you for this. You will be accountable. So

805
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:56,760
Speaker 1: if if you stand in that room and they write

806
00:43:56,760 --> 00:44:02,319
Speaker 1: the headline about Mary Barry, that's you. That's you. You

807
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 1: take what comes with that. You either you move on

808
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:09,799
Speaker 1: from it or you you you scab up and you

809
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 1: scar up to where it doesn't bother you. But it's

810
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:14,880
Speaker 1: not it's not that anything that happened at TMZ. It

811
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 1: was TMZ and then Van. You were right in the

812
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 1: middle of the room. Be as you as you can be.

813
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 1: But remember, as long as you're there, you're fucking there,

814
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 1: and you just hope that there's a better there after

815
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:32,359
Speaker 1: you leave. What were the positives from that? I mean,

816
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 1: like I said, it wasn't all bad. You know, you're

817
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 1: not even pertaining it as bad as all. But I'm saying, well,

818
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:40,280
Speaker 1: were some positive some perks being in that position. Uh,

819
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:42,479
Speaker 1: we'll bit positive was being on TV. Being on TV

820
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 1: change your life in l A. Just like you know,

821
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 1: ow TMZ didn't make me rich, but being on TV

822
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 1: in l A is just different. Like it's like it's

823
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:55,360
Speaker 1: like a little club lay so crazy man, Like you

824
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:59,319
Speaker 1: you go somewhere and people everybody's here for one thing.

825
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 1: So people think that you must be special if you

826
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 1: got it. They don't know that you came off the

827
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:07,399
Speaker 1: tour bus, right. They don't know if they would have

828
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 1: felt out, if they would have gone to Entertainment Careers

829
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 1: dot net for that one time and they might have

830
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 1: got that job. They don't know how fortunate it is

831
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 1: to happen, but they think that you've done something. So

832
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:20,840
Speaker 1: it allowed me to meet a lot of people that

833
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 1: that got me to my next thing. All of these

834
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 1: guys here and here that I'm cool with. It's not

835
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:29,799
Speaker 1: because of TMZ, but me being who I am on

836
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:34,320
Speaker 1: that show mattered. And also the Kanye moment was incredibly

837
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 1: important because the Kanye moment tethered me to my community

838
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:41,280
Speaker 1: in a big, loud way that would have been impossible,

839
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 1: right they It was really my audition to be a

840
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:51,319
Speaker 1: part of the solution, and a lot of people have

841
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 1: those auditions and a lot of people go and do

842
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 1: those things, but they don't normally get that much fanfare

843
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 1: um and more than anything, like being at TMZ around

844
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 1: those people that were there, it was a that was

845
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 1: a group of people that I actually my co workers

846
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:13,800
Speaker 1: that I fell in love with. I love my coworker.

847
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 1: Even the guy accused me of choking was my man,

848
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 1: like my dude, and being around I didn't. I didn't

849
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 1: choke the man man. I went to put my hands

850
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 1: on him and say, yo, bro, don't talk, and then

851
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 1: it went left. But I didn't choke him. I never

852
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:34,840
Speaker 1: choked anybody, but like I really didn't choke him, like

853
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 1: if you watch the video, I really did. I don't know.

854
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 1: People people always say that things choke out of the coworkers.

855
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:47,240
Speaker 1: I didn't. But but I grew right like I grew

856
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 1: the people in the office. Like the entire time I

857
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 1: was there, I grew. I wouldn't wouldn't take it back

858
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 1: for anything. Haven't worked there. How excited has it been? Built?

859
00:46:56,960 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 1: In a new your new show highlining part. I've loved

860
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 1: being at the Wringer. I think I have the best

861
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 1: co host. Rachel Lindsay is a fantastic co host. We

862
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:15,319
Speaker 1: have a unique podcast in that it's like a it's real,

863
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:20,280
Speaker 1: it's real, and it's a male female perspective. I think

864
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 1: that personally, this is what I think. I think that

865
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:26,359
Speaker 1: me and Rachel Lindsay Higher Learning are going to be

866
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 1: the Regions and Kathy Lee We're going to be the

867
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 1: Regions and Kathy Lee a little different, a little bit

868
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 1: more in your face, a little smarter, little sharper. Not

869
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:40,800
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to disc Regis and Kelly and Regions,

870
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:43,840
Speaker 1: but if the show would be smarter and maybe a

871
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:46,319
Speaker 1: little bit more topical. But that's why I see it. Like,

872
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 1: the chemistry is great, the show is great, and you

873
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 1: know we're still feeling out. Y'all know that anytime you

874
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:54,399
Speaker 1: say something, it's a thousand people online that are looking

875
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 1: at to second. But like ship, I'm gonna be honest

876
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 1: with you. Rachel has just like made me more unfiltered

877
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:09,879
Speaker 1: because she don't give an I've been that, she don't

878
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:12,280
Speaker 1: give a funk and she just she's out there and

879
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 1: and also bro, she's super intelligent, super intelligent and sharing

880
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 1: his fill light with black women. I've done. I've done

881
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 1: I think three podcasts now on the Ringer. One I

882
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:29,439
Speaker 1: worked with Jamale Hill. The other one I worked Shout.

883
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:35,280
Speaker 1: I worked with Rachel Lindsay Man. Being with black women

884
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 1: on a podcast and being a part of of the

885
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 1: moment that they have, at the moment that they that

886
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:47,800
Speaker 1: they shared, like the things that they think and knowing

887
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 1: that you're right there, it's dope that makes you know,

888
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 1: I go home. I talked to Kalika about that. I

889
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 1: talked to my girl about that. Yo Man, Rachel said this,

890
00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 1: Jamal said this. You just want people to feel and

891
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 1: be seen, and I'm getting the chance to do that

892
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:10,280
Speaker 1: at the ring mm hmm. So Trayvon comedian, actor, writer.

893
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:14,239
Speaker 1: Uh some of your credentials A full frontal the Daily Show.

894
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:17,759
Speaker 1: When did you kind of feel like was what was

895
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 1: the oscar to breakthrough or had you already had you

896
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 1: kind of were already on the pace of I mean,

897
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 1: I feel like it started with Daily Show because that

898
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:27,439
Speaker 1: was like my first TV job, and it was like

899
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 1: it was one of the biggest shows on TV at

900
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 1: the time. John, when did you what what years were there?

901
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 1: I was there twelve sixteen, so I was Trevor and

902
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 1: John and so you know the I started right before

903
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:46,360
Speaker 1: Obama got reelected like literally like a week before, and

904
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:48,360
Speaker 1: that was my first Like, up until then, I was

905
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:50,719
Speaker 1: just doing stand up, stand up, stand up. And then

906
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 1: when I got that job, like everything changed in like

907
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 1: TV because it was like a big deal. And then

908
00:49:56,360 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 1: now people were like, oh, you can actually like do this,

909
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:02,360
Speaker 1: Like it's the same thing with the oscars, Like you

910
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 1: do it. It's like people like, oh, you can actually

911
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 1: do it, and so um right, and and then it's

912
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:11,799
Speaker 1: like also like I was the only black writer on

913
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 1: the show. Uh, like similar to that same experience where

914
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 1: like you're dealing with the new show, a topical show,

915
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:20,720
Speaker 1: and any type of black any type of ship happened.

916
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:23,719
Speaker 1: It's like all the eyes turned to you, like why

917
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 1: they well, how do you feel about Trey bon Martin,

918
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 1: how do you feel about blah blah blah, like that

919
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 1: kind of thing, and it's super fucking awkward. But that

920
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:32,800
Speaker 1: was the beginning of my TV career, Like I started

921
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 1: at the highest level in terms of like Late Night

922
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:36,920
Speaker 1: because the show happened to that point and one ten

923
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 1: dames in a row. So now everybody's looking at you like, oh,

924
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 1: so you this is just gonna You're just gonna get

925
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 1: it like this is gonna happen. And funny enough, my

926
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:49,879
Speaker 1: first year was their first year losing after years, and

927
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:53,920
Speaker 1: it was like we had black people got that as

928
00:50:53,920 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 1: soon as we did, but we got it back two

929
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:03,719
Speaker 1: years later. So um, but yeah, that was that was

930
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:06,799
Speaker 1: the beginning. And then after that you could pretty much

931
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:08,879
Speaker 1: go anywhere like people were trying to poach you all

932
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 1: the time. And and then once I had, you know,

933
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 1: John announced he was leaving, and me and Trevor were boys,

934
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:17,239
Speaker 1: and I was like the only person he really knew

935
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:18,800
Speaker 1: what we were the only I was only friend and

936
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 1: he was like kind of had at the show because

937
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 1: we would just hang out in my office. Was like

938
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 1: he's black, I'm black. Actually just kind of like fall

939
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:26,839
Speaker 1: into that that same thing when you like the only

940
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:30,280
Speaker 1: two people anywhere. And so once he got the job,

941
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 1: like I was, I had gotten like a couple offers

942
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 1: to go places, and I was like, I'm just gonna

943
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 1: stay with you and like build this new show kind

944
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:40,239
Speaker 1: of thing. And then once uh, I kind of felt

945
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 1: like I had run my course there and I've been

946
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 1: doing it long enough. Came back to l A and

947
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 1: got really into the scripted TV game, and so I

948
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 1: did like camping on HBO Black Monday with Done on Showtime,

949
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:54,719
Speaker 1: show Time. Everybody Showtime is great. I loved the Showtime

950
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 1: people Man. And then it was just like TV show

951
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 1: off the TV show The Lakers, the Lakers drama on HBO.

952
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:09,920
Speaker 1: And then it was just like just sitting around like

953
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 1: the show. Everybody had either finished the writer's room, everything

954
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 1: had been like shut down, shut down. So that's when

955
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:18,840
Speaker 1: the movie came. It was like I came up with

956
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 1: the idea for the movie. I saw to Apple with

957
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:24,240
Speaker 1: the Edges Elba and and like the very very beginning

958
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:27,759
Speaker 1: of the pandemic and me and Simon Kenburgh, so that

959
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:30,279
Speaker 1: while that was like happening too, Distant Strangers was kind

960
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:33,120
Speaker 1: of happening in between it all, and we sold that

961
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 1: movie last August and then it just it was weird

962
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:39,440
Speaker 1: because like you were watching the world kind of collapse

963
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 1: around you. And then like but professionally, like my life

964
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 1: was just like doing it. Just started doing this and

965
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 1: it was such a like strange thing to kind of

966
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:51,360
Speaker 1: like balance. Yeah, he had it not to cut you

967
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 1: off a similar ship, like we found our group during

968
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:55,920
Speaker 1: the pandemic. It came out a lot better than we

969
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:58,239
Speaker 1: win it's like, damn, I'm doing well, but you see

970
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:01,320
Speaker 1: what the world I said, everything around you is crumbling. Yeah,

971
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:03,400
Speaker 1: and you're like, yeah, I'm super blessed to be like

972
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:05,400
Speaker 1: in this position and like doing all this stuff. And

973
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:09,240
Speaker 1: it's like it's just crazy that when like everybody's world

974
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:13,440
Speaker 1: collapsed and it's collapsing around you, and people are like

975
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:16,439
Speaker 1: frontline workers and like uber drivers and all these people

976
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 1: are like having to deal with all these issues and

977
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 1: you're like, man, so are they gonna buy my movie

978
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:23,880
Speaker 1: or like, like the problems are just so different and

979
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 1: you're trying to like not like feel like an asshole.

980
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 1: It's like then you're just like, but this is just

981
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:30,799
Speaker 1: what I do. It's just me. It's just been what

982
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:34,400
Speaker 1: my life has been, this business, and I'm just fortunate

983
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:36,840
Speaker 1: that that's what it is. And so once all that

984
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:39,239
Speaker 1: started happening, like you just got us to here, man, Like,

985
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:42,040
Speaker 1: it was how do you feel like you're experiencing in

986
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:47,239
Speaker 1: your journey? Prepared you for to distance strangers? You know,

987
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 1: it was being at Daily Show for as my first

988
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 1: job was like like you were talking about stack like

989
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:57,440
Speaker 1: stuff just sets you up to be prepared for everything

990
00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:02,880
Speaker 1: you're supposed to get and that show is so fast paced.

991
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:06,800
Speaker 1: You have so much responsibility and you have so little

992
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 1: time to get it done. Like that show is four

993
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:12,000
Speaker 1: nights a week, is live to tape. Is we started

994
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:13,920
Speaker 1: nine am? You have an hour to write your script.

995
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:16,279
Speaker 1: You have twenty minutes to rewrite your script after you

996
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:18,800
Speaker 1: get your nose back. You got rehearsal at four o'clock,

997
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 1: you got rewrite at five o'clock. The show is on

998
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:24,839
Speaker 1: at six. That's every single day, and you have a

999
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 1: building full of people who were just like scrambling all

1000
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:30,719
Speaker 1: day making that show happen. And it's a testament to

1001
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:33,280
Speaker 1: why it was so good, because it was like everybody

1002
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 1: knew their job, everybody was good at their job, and

1003
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 1: they just did it and you wanted to like work

1004
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:40,600
Speaker 1: hard for somebody like John because he was so good

1005
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:43,320
Speaker 1: and such a great leader. And so having that experience

1006
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:45,920
Speaker 1: for four years, I always say it felt like like

1007
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:48,120
Speaker 1: comedy and like TV college. Like it was like I

1008
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:51,239
Speaker 1: got my four year degree and how to run a

1009
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:53,520
Speaker 1: TV show, how to run a production, how to lead

1010
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:56,480
Speaker 1: a group of people in this particular like setting, if

1011
00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:58,760
Speaker 1: you if it came to that, And so once I left,

1012
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 1: everything else felt low. Yeah, it was like anything like yeah,

1013
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:05,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, why are we not? Why are we just

1014
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 1: sitting here? It was like, oh yeah, because it's nothing

1015
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:09,239
Speaker 1: like I'm used to like go go, go, go go.

1016
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:12,880
Speaker 1: And so when stuff does happen, when you're doing something

1017
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 1: and there is something to be done, you just you

1018
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:16,799
Speaker 1: just already for it, like Firefighters, Like that's kind of

1019
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 1: test them to the movie though, the same thing you're saying,

1020
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:21,319
Speaker 1: how the show was really fast paced. Look at all

1021
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:23,319
Speaker 1: of the ad living and all that stuff that I

1022
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:26,279
Speaker 1: had to do to get the show done. All kind

1023
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:29,000
Speaker 1: of stuff was coming. But experience is the best teacher, bro,

1024
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:31,640
Speaker 1: And that's basically what you're saying. I've been through it already,

1025
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:33,640
Speaker 1: so anything that comes now, I know how to deal

1026
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:35,960
Speaker 1: with it. That's exactly what it felt like. It was

1027
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:39,680
Speaker 1: like all those moments you just didn't feel like they

1028
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:43,320
Speaker 1: couldn't be done, they couldn't be fixed or couldn't be conquered,

1029
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 1: and it was all because, like working on two of

1030
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:48,400
Speaker 1: the best lady night TV shows in TV, you just

1031
00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:50,880
Speaker 1: had to do it and you had to learn it.

1032
00:55:50,960 --> 00:56:01,240
Speaker 1: And how people had that resume though, killer that's that's yeah.

1033
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:04,399
Speaker 1: We went on show like you said, I mean, he's

1034
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 1: been doing great work for so long, but now he's

1035
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:10,319
Speaker 1: getting the recognition because of that, because I've been killing it.

1036
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:12,279
Speaker 1: Huh Like, yeah, you know, you might just know me

1037
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:14,319
Speaker 1: now because of this. But I've been doing my things,

1038
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:18,840
Speaker 1: so obviously that's things. But you're a hooper to Domingus Hills.

1039
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:29,680
Speaker 1: Where were you there? I was at Domingus. Yeah, that

1040
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:37,040
Speaker 1: was that Domingus from three so samere had just left.

1041
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:41,319
Speaker 1: You missed Jason Thomas, Yeah, I just missed him. Yeah,

1042
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:45,239
Speaker 1: And then m Thompson was a sucking Mons two sports man.

1043
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:46,960
Speaker 1: He scared me a death with a quick story. In

1044
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:49,400
Speaker 1: the eighth grade, we played him and he had to

1045
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:50,759
Speaker 1: play it on a team called p t I and

1046
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:55,200
Speaker 1: this nigger was Win Milling slapping the last in eighth grade.

1047
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:57,560
Speaker 1: I remember I went home and I wrote in my

1048
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:00,440
Speaker 1: diary in schools like I just seen Jason Thomas this weekend.

1049
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:03,880
Speaker 1: There's no way I'm going to the NBA. And probably

1050
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:08,160
Speaker 1: the next week he probably went through tint. He was

1051
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:13,080
Speaker 1: like a man in the country too. Man. But you

1052
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:15,440
Speaker 1: talked to us the Doman guests. Yeah, yeah, that was

1053
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:18,600
Speaker 1: crazy because like our fresh my freshman year, I think

1054
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:21,240
Speaker 1: like severe that was your sophomore year, right. We won

1055
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 1: the national championship that year, and it was like it

1056
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:34,880
Speaker 1: was like basketball, it's like stupid championship. Yeah, it was

1057
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 1: like it was like Tyson's junior year and the team

1058
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:41,520
Speaker 1: was just like crazy, Like it was crazy being fifteen

1059
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:44,680
Speaker 1: and going to play basketball in an arena and like

1060
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:47,880
Speaker 1: people lined up to like get your autograph and you're like, bro,

1061
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:51,680
Speaker 1: we're the same age, Like this is so crazy and

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00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:54,560
Speaker 1: this is pretty social media though, just like they get

1063
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:56,680
Speaker 1: to see you when person is different. It was I

1064
00:57:56,720 --> 00:57:59,080
Speaker 1: mean we were like we're touring the country, like we're

1065
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:04,600
Speaker 1: playing Eddie Curry over like Dwon Wagner and like like

1066
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:09,880
Speaker 1: uh ce say, and who am I forgetting some here? Um?

1067
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:13,720
Speaker 1: Just like so many like the biggest names of that

1068
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 1: like that era of yeah, like he from my area.

1069
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 1: It was. It was this was high school like and

1070
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:28,040
Speaker 1: you're playing like future NBA. Also, like everywhere you go,

1071
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:31,080
Speaker 1: the team is like a nationally ranked like crazy team.

1072
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:34,760
Speaker 1: And so that was just like it seems like everywhere

1073
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:39,120
Speaker 1: I was going, I was being thrown into like the

1074
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:44,640
Speaker 1: the highest version. Like you're gonna learn real fast. Everywhere

1075
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 1: you go. You have to learn real fast. And it's

1076
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:49,320
Speaker 1: been that same way like every time. And then so

1077
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:53,280
Speaker 1: like after you know, I graduated in two three and

1078
00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:55,160
Speaker 1: I went to Loumbie State, we went to the tournament.

1079
00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:57,360
Speaker 1: I think my senior year was like the year we

1080
00:58:57,360 --> 00:59:01,320
Speaker 1: went to the tournament twelve five game, got beat up

1081
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:06,320
Speaker 1: by Tennessee. It wasn't that bad we were, That's what

1082
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:11,400
Speaker 1: it was. Already going to Tennessee. He might already been going.

1083
00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:14,200
Speaker 1: I think he was, yeah, because the thing was, it

1084
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:18,160
Speaker 1: wasn't like we played bad. They played amazing. Like we

1085
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:20,360
Speaker 1: we led the nation in scoring that year. We average

1086
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:25,960
Speaker 1: eighty nine points a game, uh that season, and they

1087
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:31,040
Speaker 1: came out shooting like yes, sixties seventy percent from three,

1088
00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:35,120
Speaker 1: just like was not missing, and like we were making shots,

1089
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 1: but we were like making layup so like doing it,

1090
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:39,840
Speaker 1: and they're like three pointer, whatever we do three pointer,

1091
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:42,600
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, y'all just like hot, Like

1092
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:44,440
Speaker 1: there's nothing we could do about this, Like we're not

1093
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:48,320
Speaker 1: we're not turning the ball over, We're not like like

1094
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:51,040
Speaker 1: messing up our plays. It's just like y'all are just

1095
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:54,280
Speaker 1: bawling and the aready. Nothing we could do about it.

1096
00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:56,760
Speaker 1: And so it was fun man, like to play in

1097
00:59:56,760 --> 01:00:00,400
Speaker 1: the tournament, like if you get a chance, like it's amazing.

1098
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:02,560
Speaker 1: And so I was happy that, like at every stage

1099
01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:06,120
Speaker 1: I got to like experience at least the thing or

1100
01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:08,080
Speaker 1: wherever the high point of that thing was. So when

1101
01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:09,840
Speaker 1: I graduated, I was like, I was happy. I had

1102
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:14,680
Speaker 1: knee surgery. That's why you know that. Yeah, my sophomore

1103
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:17,720
Speaker 1: year blew out in practice, and so I only played

1104
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:21,320
Speaker 1: three of my four years because after I did the rehab,

1105
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:23,880
Speaker 1: he it was so hard, man, and I just didn't

1106
01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:26,160
Speaker 1: want to do it. They take it out, took it out,

1107
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:29,919
Speaker 1: all of it. Yeah, Yeah, they had to take percent.

1108
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:31,520
Speaker 1: I tore my this week with the Lakers, and I

1109
01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:34,880
Speaker 1: was out like seven weeks. They took out. So every

1110
01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:36,200
Speaker 1: once in a while, I have to do this. And

1111
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:39,240
Speaker 1: so he told me they were going to like what

1112
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:41,000
Speaker 1: they thought they were going to do when they ended

1113
01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:44,040
Speaker 1: up being yeah, because like he showed me the picture afterwards,

1114
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:48,200
Speaker 1: and they ain't like nothing in thereship because it's hard

1115
01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:49,880
Speaker 1: to get blood flow in that area to try to

1116
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:55,280
Speaker 1: rebuild everything. Yeah, Hooper's story, but just the events around race, racism,

1117
01:00:55,320 --> 01:00:58,360
Speaker 1: social justice, how has that impacted you in the last

1118
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:01,280
Speaker 1: couple of years and do you see light starting to

1119
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:02,760
Speaker 1: come out at the end of at the end of

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01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:07,000
Speaker 1: the tunnel the term social justice Like for me, we

1121
01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:11,959
Speaker 1: we We're just trying to live, you know what I mean.

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01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:15,720
Speaker 1: It's like, I guess there is a very strategic way

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01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:19,120
Speaker 1: you have to go about getting what you want in America,

1124
01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:26,080
Speaker 1: but you don't when you're black, you're initiated. You don't

1125
01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:29,320
Speaker 1: have to decide to get a cause and go This

1126
01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:32,960
Speaker 1: is like about surviving or as I call it, stur thriving.

1127
01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:37,120
Speaker 1: You want to be alive and you want to be well.

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01:01:37,720 --> 01:01:40,480
Speaker 1: You know. So the answer to the question is there

1129
01:01:40,520 --> 01:01:43,960
Speaker 1: allied at the end of the tunnel. No, there's not.

1130
01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:52,440
Speaker 1: There's no light. Uh. Things will I'm hopeful that we

1131
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:55,640
Speaker 1: figure things out. But I just hope people understand that.

1132
01:01:55,760 --> 01:01:58,880
Speaker 1: Like we talked about so many different things that you know,

1133
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:00,680
Speaker 1: talk to people and people go, hey, I'm gonna get

1134
01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:02,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get a lot of money, I'm gonna give

1135
01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:06,320
Speaker 1: back to your community. That's dope, that's amazing. Everybody should

1136
01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:10,480
Speaker 1: do that. Everybody should should seek to We live in

1137
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:14,480
Speaker 1: a capitalists in a capitalist society, everybody should seek to

1138
01:02:14,560 --> 01:02:16,080
Speaker 1: get a lot of money and create a lot of

1139
01:02:16,160 --> 01:02:18,320
Speaker 1: jobs and do all of that stuff. I just hope

1140
01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:21,440
Speaker 1: people know that that's not what we're talking about. What

1141
01:02:21,560 --> 01:02:31,120
Speaker 1: we're talking about is intentional systemic dysfunction. Intentional systemic dysfunction.

1142
01:02:31,600 --> 01:02:34,240
Speaker 1: I want you to look all over the world at

1143
01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:38,720
Speaker 1: places that had systems that were intentional, intentionally unequal. Right,

1144
01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:41,480
Speaker 1: if you look at apartheid in South Africa. In order

1145
01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:46,640
Speaker 1: for South Africa to turn, apartheid has to go, right,

1146
01:02:46,840 --> 01:02:49,920
Speaker 1: it has to go. Obviously, that's different than what we're

1147
01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:54,000
Speaker 1: talking about here, but we're talking about participation in cooperation

1148
01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:57,480
Speaker 1: in the guts of America, in the guts of it,

1149
01:02:58,200 --> 01:03:00,000
Speaker 1: in the guts of what this country is. And it's

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01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:05,560
Speaker 1: participation that is black people we've always had. Like it's

1151
01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:10,040
Speaker 1: it's interesting. There's a god called whiteness is a god complex, right,

1152
01:03:11,080 --> 01:03:14,600
Speaker 1: Like whiteness as it exists is the belief that this

1153
01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:19,320
Speaker 1: was all created by one omnipotent force, and you're lucky

1154
01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:22,480
Speaker 1: to worship that force. That's what white supremacy is. You're

1155
01:03:22,560 --> 01:03:25,600
Speaker 1: lucky to be here. We took you out of Africa

1156
01:03:25,720 --> 01:03:28,120
Speaker 1: right where you were running around with a fucking bone

1157
01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:31,000
Speaker 1: in your nose. You couldn't read you had no culture,

1158
01:03:31,080 --> 01:03:33,520
Speaker 1: you had no nothing. We came you, We came you

1159
01:03:33,600 --> 01:03:35,160
Speaker 1: over and we taught you how to use a salad

1160
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:38,080
Speaker 1: for it. And what you should do is for in perpetuity,

1161
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:43,120
Speaker 1: you and your progeny. You should worship that. Right. That's bullshit.

1162
01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:48,200
Speaker 1: That's bullshit. Number one. What we were and what we

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01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:53,240
Speaker 1: are on that continent is completely different than what you

1164
01:03:53,360 --> 01:03:59,360
Speaker 1: said on culture, on family, on laws, on hierarchies, royalty,

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01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:05,320
Speaker 1: rich is, wealth, doctors, scientists, all of that stuff. People

1166
01:04:05,400 --> 01:04:07,600
Speaker 1: figuring out the way the world works over there. So

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01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:11,200
Speaker 1: that's bullshit. And then over when when you talk about

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01:04:11,320 --> 01:04:15,480
Speaker 1: us coming over here, you didn't do anything alone, Like

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01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:20,200
Speaker 1: Franklin said, Brick by brick, the labor that built the

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01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:24,480
Speaker 1: country is on a sweat of my ancestors. There's been

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01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:27,880
Speaker 1: the only thing that we've ever been the big given

1172
01:04:27,960 --> 01:04:32,720
Speaker 1: license to do in America is be exploited. So systems

1173
01:04:32,760 --> 01:04:36,760
Speaker 1: built on that. How do you fix them? Well, you

1174
01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:39,400
Speaker 1: can try to fix them by participation in those systems,

1175
01:04:39,640 --> 01:04:42,680
Speaker 1: and some of us will win that way. But the

1176
01:04:42,760 --> 01:04:47,200
Speaker 1: better way to fix them is to reprogram the systems themselves.

1177
01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:51,440
Speaker 1: And that's hard because that means that somebody has to

1178
01:04:51,480 --> 01:04:54,800
Speaker 1: do what nobody wants to do in America is lose.

1179
01:04:55,800 --> 01:04:57,680
Speaker 1: You see what I'm saying, Like, they're cool with us

1180
01:04:57,720 --> 01:04:59,680
Speaker 1: losing because they put us in a position to lose

1181
01:04:59,720 --> 01:05:03,040
Speaker 1: for a John. So the question then is, all right,

1182
01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:05,480
Speaker 1: I'm what I'm asking you is, I'm asking you not

1183
01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:07,680
Speaker 1: to grease the wills for everybody around you to get

1184
01:05:07,720 --> 01:05:14,480
Speaker 1: an advantage. I'm asking corporations to pay the appropriate tax rate. Right,

1185
01:05:15,160 --> 01:05:20,200
Speaker 1: I'm asking for real participatory action into America what you

1186
01:05:20,280 --> 01:05:24,600
Speaker 1: say you want. And once that happens, we'll get together

1187
01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:27,919
Speaker 1: and will work in our communities and will fix them.

1188
01:05:27,960 --> 01:05:30,720
Speaker 1: But the piece of the pie, it has to be

1189
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:34,760
Speaker 1: divvied out equally or with some sort of equity. Now,

1190
01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:38,360
Speaker 1: anytime you start talking about that, any time you start examining,

1191
01:05:38,520 --> 01:05:41,400
Speaker 1: or when you say you want an accounting of America,

1192
01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:42,960
Speaker 1: you want to open up the books. You want to

1193
01:05:42,960 --> 01:05:45,480
Speaker 1: know exactly what you're entitled to as an American citizen.

1194
01:05:45,640 --> 01:05:49,200
Speaker 1: And I use the word entitled because these are promises

1195
01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:53,919
Speaker 1: that have been made promises, So you're not asking for nothing,

1196
01:05:53,960 --> 01:05:57,760
Speaker 1: You're not working entitled to people talking about people complaining, well,

1197
01:05:58,520 --> 01:06:02,080
Speaker 1: complaining about freedom and the America would be like your

1198
01:06:02,240 --> 01:06:07,680
Speaker 1: lungs complaining about air. It's that simple, Like your lungs

1199
01:06:07,720 --> 01:06:11,840
Speaker 1: are entitled to air. Their function is air. As an

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01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:17,360
Speaker 1: American citizen, your function is freedom. They say no, and

1201
01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:19,160
Speaker 1: they have all kinds of reasons that they don't do it.

1202
01:06:19,200 --> 01:06:22,080
Speaker 1: We don't have environmental freedom, we don't have social freedom,

1203
01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:25,240
Speaker 1: we don't have freedom of movement, we don't have any

1204
01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:28,440
Speaker 1: of that. So we need to overhaul. We need serious

1205
01:06:28,480 --> 01:06:31,720
Speaker 1: people to do it. And it's not philanthropy, is not

1206
01:06:32,040 --> 01:06:35,000
Speaker 1: posting black squares on your Graham, it's not. None of

1207
01:06:35,040 --> 01:06:41,120
Speaker 1: that is dirty, hard, rigorous work by a lot of

1208
01:06:41,120 --> 01:06:43,560
Speaker 1: people who are looking in a lot of fucking mirrors.

1209
01:06:44,760 --> 01:06:47,760
Speaker 1: And so my hope is that this is the beginning

1210
01:06:49,920 --> 01:06:54,560
Speaker 1: because of the information, like even the people in the

1211
01:06:54,640 --> 01:06:57,680
Speaker 1: past right that they would have us look at right

1212
01:06:58,360 --> 01:07:01,320
Speaker 1: and give us examples of their lives. They always give

1213
01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:06,360
Speaker 1: us examples of people that they shot up, lives that

1214
01:07:06,400 --> 01:07:08,600
Speaker 1: were ended. We don't think about the fact that Malcolm

1215
01:07:08,800 --> 01:07:14,120
Speaker 1: X and Dr King were just men with families. Forget

1216
01:07:14,160 --> 01:07:17,080
Speaker 1: about being these great social social people and people that

1217
01:07:17,160 --> 01:07:20,960
Speaker 1: changed America. They were guys with families. Mothers lost husband,

1218
01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:28,160
Speaker 1: kids lost dad's no more daddy. Government killed daddy, and

1219
01:07:28,160 --> 01:07:29,959
Speaker 1: then what we look at that and we go, Okay,

1220
01:07:29,960 --> 01:07:33,160
Speaker 1: they left great lives. They sacrificed for what. They didn't

1221
01:07:33,160 --> 01:07:39,240
Speaker 1: sacrifice ship. They were murdered. Like Nancy Pelosi said, George Floyd,

1222
01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:42,200
Speaker 1: I know that somebody close to you stack sacrifice his

1223
01:07:42,320 --> 01:07:48,480
Speaker 1: life or whatever. George Floyd didn't choose to die at all.

1224
01:07:49,640 --> 01:07:52,760
Speaker 1: So stop acting like there's something virtue was in black death.

1225
01:07:53,960 --> 01:07:55,880
Speaker 1: So what I'm saying is all of these things have

1226
01:07:56,000 --> 01:08:00,160
Speaker 1: to change, Like all of these ideas have got to change,

1227
01:08:01,520 --> 01:08:03,720
Speaker 1: and in order to change, and we gotta face them.

1228
01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:07,280
Speaker 1: And so I'm hopeful that we can start to face them.

1229
01:08:07,320 --> 01:08:09,800
Speaker 1: And I think that there that there's so much information

1230
01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:12,320
Speaker 1: in there. So and by the way, everybody's the last

1231
01:08:12,320 --> 01:08:13,680
Speaker 1: thing I wanna say about this, guys on I know

1232
01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:18,040
Speaker 1: I'm drawing on. Stop looking across the other side of

1233
01:08:18,160 --> 01:08:20,479
Speaker 1: things and picking apart what it is your brother or

1234
01:08:20,520 --> 01:08:26,880
Speaker 1: your sister's doing. Do your part, Like, stop arguing whether

1235
01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:29,200
Speaker 1: or not no name is right, or whether or not

1236
01:08:29,280 --> 01:08:33,920
Speaker 1: Mike killer Mike is right, Like, do your part. Jump

1237
01:08:33,960 --> 01:08:38,439
Speaker 1: in there right. If you are a black capitalist, tell

1238
01:08:38,479 --> 01:08:42,160
Speaker 1: me how we're gonna win. If you are a socialist

1239
01:08:43,320 --> 01:08:46,320
Speaker 1: or Marxist. Tell me how we're gonna win. Get the

1240
01:08:46,360 --> 01:08:48,400
Speaker 1: information out to the people and let them decide what's

1241
01:08:48,400 --> 01:08:51,880
Speaker 1: the best way to fix America. But stop, we have

1242
01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:54,600
Speaker 1: to look. I do it too. Sometimes. I went on

1243
01:08:54,640 --> 01:08:57,880
Speaker 1: the whole rant about van Jones, the whole rant on

1244
01:08:57,920 --> 01:09:00,920
Speaker 1: my podcast about Van Jones. You know what I did after.

1245
01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:02,320
Speaker 1: I know how you feel, But you know what I

1246
01:09:02,320 --> 01:09:04,719
Speaker 1: did after I picked up the phone. I called Van Jones.

1247
01:09:04,720 --> 01:09:07,960
Speaker 1: I apologize to him. And the reason why I apologize

1248
01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:10,599
Speaker 1: to him, it's because I don't. I don't agree with

1249
01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:14,080
Speaker 1: a lot of the ways that Van Jones like. I don't.

1250
01:09:14,080 --> 01:09:15,800
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't agree with a lot of the

1251
01:09:15,800 --> 01:09:17,720
Speaker 1: ways of vantages. That's not real. If you're gonna agree

1252
01:09:17,760 --> 01:09:20,519
Speaker 1: with everything somebody say, that's not what the reality is.

1253
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:24,120
Speaker 1: There are people who are incarcerated who are home with

1254
01:09:24,160 --> 01:09:28,000
Speaker 1: their families because of the work that he has been doing.

1255
01:09:28,880 --> 01:09:31,040
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna hang out with trumping them. I'm not

1256
01:09:31,080 --> 01:09:33,160
Speaker 1: going up there to sign no bills. I'm not doing anything.

1257
01:09:33,200 --> 01:09:34,559
Speaker 1: While I might go up there to sign a bill,

1258
01:09:34,560 --> 01:09:36,000
Speaker 1: but I'm not gonna go I'm not doing all of that.

1259
01:09:36,200 --> 01:09:39,599
Speaker 1: But that's his thing. It doesn't matter what I think

1260
01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:41,599
Speaker 1: of it. I can't stand in a way of progress.

1261
01:09:42,280 --> 01:09:45,679
Speaker 1: So whatever conversations, whatever, whatever we have, let's talk about

1262
01:09:45,720 --> 01:09:48,560
Speaker 1: them to each other. And that's what I'm saying, and

1263
01:09:48,600 --> 01:09:52,519
Speaker 1: I'm hopeful that those things can start. I try to

1264
01:09:52,560 --> 01:09:55,720
Speaker 1: simplify for a lot of people. Man, just imagine you're

1265
01:09:55,720 --> 01:10:00,840
Speaker 1: starting the business and you hire thirty employees, the third

1266
01:10:00,920 --> 01:10:04,920
Speaker 1: employees build your business to a billion dollar business. But

1267
01:10:04,960 --> 01:10:07,479
Speaker 1: then you treat them like ship. They're gonna eventually turn

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01:10:07,560 --> 01:10:10,400
Speaker 1: on you. And that's what that's this world, that's that's

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01:10:10,400 --> 01:10:12,720
Speaker 1: the that's the United States. You tell then you tell

1270
01:10:12,760 --> 01:10:15,360
Speaker 1: them they had nothing to do exactly. So that's this

1271
01:10:15,400 --> 01:10:18,280
Speaker 1: is what we're going through right now. You can't continue

1272
01:10:18,320 --> 01:10:22,840
Speaker 1: to expect the people that built this place to live

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01:10:22,920 --> 01:10:24,800
Speaker 1: the right way, or to overlook what's been done in

1274
01:10:24,840 --> 01:10:26,599
Speaker 1: them and continue to treat them like ship. And they're

1275
01:10:26,600 --> 01:10:28,519
Speaker 1: not rebel on you. You know what I'm saying. We're

1276
01:10:28,520 --> 01:10:31,559
Speaker 1: waking up now. It's not just us then, you know,

1277
01:10:31,600 --> 01:10:33,840
Speaker 1: like I said, what happened if Georgie put me in

1278
01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:35,880
Speaker 1: this position and I don't even consider myself for actives,

1279
01:10:35,920 --> 01:10:38,120
Speaker 1: I'm going I'm just doing right by the community. I

1280
01:10:38,120 --> 01:10:39,840
Speaker 1: don't want to be putting that position because I'm not

1281
01:10:39,840 --> 01:10:43,240
Speaker 1: that because I know people that go by that Yeah,

1282
01:10:43,240 --> 01:10:44,560
Speaker 1: I mean neither. You know what I'm saying. They go

1283
01:10:44,600 --> 01:10:46,479
Speaker 1: by that title. They've done great work, so I don't

1284
01:10:46,479 --> 01:10:48,240
Speaker 1: even I don't even want to diminish their work and

1285
01:10:48,280 --> 01:10:50,880
Speaker 1: put myself as an activist. But at the same time,

1286
01:10:51,680 --> 01:10:53,200
Speaker 1: we all have a part to play, and if you

1287
01:10:53,280 --> 01:10:55,560
Speaker 1: out there doing your part, you don't have time to

1288
01:10:55,600 --> 01:10:57,559
Speaker 1: word about what somebody else is not doing, that they're

1289
01:10:57,600 --> 01:10:59,519
Speaker 1: doing it right or not. We all have a part

1290
01:10:59,600 --> 01:11:01,720
Speaker 1: of player. We all have the same goal, and that's

1291
01:11:01,720 --> 01:11:03,759
Speaker 1: to get treated like human beings and not like animals

1292
01:11:04,040 --> 01:11:06,360
Speaker 1: and that and when people think like that, man, it's

1293
01:11:06,400 --> 01:11:08,599
Speaker 1: easier for us to get there. But everybody is always

1294
01:11:08,600 --> 01:11:10,880
Speaker 1: worry about what somebody else is doing. And then again,

1295
01:11:10,880 --> 01:11:13,639
Speaker 1: I'm gonna finish on this. Everybody has their religion who

1296
01:11:13,640 --> 01:11:16,000
Speaker 1: they pray to. When you get ready to go and

1297
01:11:16,360 --> 01:11:18,759
Speaker 1: you're going to your judgment day, you're not getting judged

1298
01:11:18,760 --> 01:11:21,479
Speaker 1: about what somebody else did. It's about what you did

1299
01:11:21,520 --> 01:11:23,719
Speaker 1: on this earth and the good you did, So worry

1300
01:11:23,720 --> 01:11:25,720
Speaker 1: about what you do. Live righteous and I think we

1301
01:11:25,920 --> 01:11:27,720
Speaker 1: get there, you know what I'm saying. But we but

1302
01:11:27,800 --> 01:11:29,719
Speaker 1: we have to worry about what we can do ourselves

1303
01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:31,439
Speaker 1: and not what somebody else is doing. But I think

1304
01:11:31,479 --> 01:11:33,760
Speaker 1: also too, I mean, any change we fight for now,

1305
01:11:33,800 --> 01:11:37,160
Speaker 1: however part whatever role we play, we probably won't really

1306
01:11:37,200 --> 01:11:39,439
Speaker 1: see it. You always say that as we have to understand,

1307
01:11:39,439 --> 01:11:41,280
Speaker 1: like what we're doing now is our kids are gonna

1308
01:11:41,280 --> 01:11:43,000
Speaker 1: see and my sons are gonna see. If you guys

1309
01:11:43,000 --> 01:11:45,160
Speaker 1: have children, have children soon, your kids are gonna see it.

1310
01:11:45,280 --> 01:11:48,360
Speaker 1: So it's also fighting something for you know, you really

1311
01:11:48,439 --> 01:11:50,760
Speaker 1: may never get a piece of you don't really never

1312
01:11:50,800 --> 01:11:52,800
Speaker 1: get the benefit from. And are you okay with that?

1313
01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:54,920
Speaker 1: You know? But I think obviously once you become even

1314
01:11:54,960 --> 01:11:56,360
Speaker 1: if you don't have children, but I know, like once

1315
01:11:56,360 --> 01:11:59,519
Speaker 1: I became a father, like that outlook changed, like damn,

1316
01:11:59,520 --> 01:12:01,760
Speaker 1: I'm doing all this. I'm not gonna feel it. But now, no,

1317
01:12:01,840 --> 01:12:03,479
Speaker 1: I'm doing all this now because my kids are gonna

1318
01:12:03,479 --> 01:12:05,000
Speaker 1: feel it, and their kids are gonna feel it, and

1319
01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:07,799
Speaker 1: the next generation needs to see it. So I definitely,

1320
01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:10,720
Speaker 1: I just feel encouraged from a standpoint of you know,

1321
01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:13,479
Speaker 1: for four hundred plus years it's been one way, and

1322
01:12:13,520 --> 01:12:16,880
Speaker 1: I think for the first time, unfortunately through George Floyd

1323
01:12:16,920 --> 01:12:20,080
Speaker 1: being killed they're listening that some of them may have

1324
01:12:20,160 --> 01:12:22,760
Speaker 1: pretended they're listening, but enough people are listening now, So

1325
01:12:22,840 --> 01:12:25,360
Speaker 1: what is our strategic plan moving forward? Like, we can't

1326
01:12:25,360 --> 01:12:27,360
Speaker 1: continue to fight, kill and do all this ship and

1327
01:12:27,600 --> 01:12:29,880
Speaker 1: think we're gonna overtake it. We gotta overtake it with

1328
01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:33,160
Speaker 1: our minds, you know, and our unity. And I see

1329
01:12:33,840 --> 01:12:35,559
Speaker 1: some of that. Obviously, we take a couple of steps

1330
01:12:35,560 --> 01:12:37,200
Speaker 1: forward and then take a few steps back. But I

1331
01:12:37,200 --> 01:12:40,760
Speaker 1: think overall we're starting to understand, like together, we're not

1332
01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:43,080
Speaker 1: the minority. Because of the skin color. They try to

1333
01:12:43,160 --> 01:12:44,760
Speaker 1: call us the minority to keep us in our place,

1334
01:12:44,760 --> 01:12:48,599
Speaker 1: but we're actually the majority. And the only thing I want.

1335
01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:52,200
Speaker 1: It's so simple. It's like people come to me, like

1336
01:12:52,240 --> 01:12:54,280
Speaker 1: what do you want? Right, And we're all successful guys,

1337
01:12:54,320 --> 01:12:56,519
Speaker 1: we're sitting up there and we're talking about what's wrong

1338
01:12:56,520 --> 01:12:57,800
Speaker 1: with the country. A lot of people look at that,

1339
01:12:57,840 --> 01:13:01,719
Speaker 1: and they go, hey, look, you got millions of dollars

1340
01:13:01,800 --> 01:13:05,760
Speaker 1: up here, a thousand dollars over here in Van and

1341
01:13:06,000 --> 01:13:10,080
Speaker 1: and and and and they and they say, and they say, like,

1342
01:13:10,160 --> 01:13:12,400
Speaker 1: you know what, this is what I want. You know

1343
01:13:12,400 --> 01:13:19,679
Speaker 1: what I want safe black people. If I just want safe,

1344
01:13:20,520 --> 01:13:25,599
Speaker 1: safe means environmentally safe safe means economically safe, do you know,

1345
01:13:25,800 --> 01:13:32,000
Speaker 1: Like it's like we talked about stress and trauma. I

1346
01:13:32,080 --> 01:13:35,679
Speaker 1: just think about like one time my dad was real quick.

1347
01:13:35,720 --> 01:13:38,479
Speaker 1: One time my dad like he saw my um or

1348
01:13:38,600 --> 01:13:40,760
Speaker 1: my uncle Mark passed away. He was on drugs for

1349
01:13:41,120 --> 01:13:42,800
Speaker 1: you know, most of his life, and he had gone

1350
01:13:42,800 --> 01:13:45,240
Speaker 1: another pin and stuff like that. I'm seeing in the

1351
01:13:45,240 --> 01:13:50,160
Speaker 1: truck my dad and my dad hangs with the phone.

1352
01:13:50,200 --> 01:13:54,960
Speaker 1: He goes, man Mark back on that ship, and he

1353
01:13:55,000 --> 01:13:58,400
Speaker 1: gives himself a split second to be sad about the

1354
01:13:58,439 --> 01:14:01,120
Speaker 1: fact that his brother was back on drugs. A split

1355
01:14:01,160 --> 01:14:02,800
Speaker 1: sector and he looks at me and he goes, nigger,

1356
01:14:04,320 --> 01:14:08,960
Speaker 1: if I ever catch you fucking with drugs, I never

1357
01:14:09,040 --> 01:14:13,800
Speaker 1: forget he cut the cough. I hadn't done nothing. You

1358
01:14:13,840 --> 01:14:15,600
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like, cut the cough. If I

1359
01:14:15,760 --> 01:14:20,160
Speaker 1: ever catch you fucking with drugs, I will kill you myself.

1360
01:14:20,160 --> 01:14:22,840
Speaker 1: He looks at me, like, look at me. Don't you

1361
01:14:22,880 --> 01:14:25,519
Speaker 1: bring that ship in my house. Don't you funk with

1362
01:14:25,560 --> 01:14:30,719
Speaker 1: nobody that's sucking with that, Then I'll hurt you. He's scared.

1363
01:14:32,680 --> 01:14:35,439
Speaker 1: He's scared. He lives in the community where his son

1364
01:14:35,479 --> 01:14:38,800
Speaker 1: has to deal with that. He's upset. He's scared. He

1365
01:14:38,840 --> 01:14:40,599
Speaker 1: saw what happened to his brother, doesn't want to happen

1366
01:14:40,640 --> 01:14:43,160
Speaker 1: to me. Now he's got to make now, he's got

1367
01:14:43,160 --> 01:14:46,960
Speaker 1: to put fear in me. This this we're not safe.

1368
01:14:47,520 --> 01:14:50,120
Speaker 1: We don't feel safe, and we need to build more

1369
01:14:50,160 --> 01:14:52,599
Speaker 1: apparatus in America where we feel safe so we can

1370
01:14:52,760 --> 01:14:55,120
Speaker 1: live out our lives. That's all I'm saying, Safe Black people.

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01:14:55,720 --> 01:15:00,800
Speaker 1: Thoughts on you being a foremor athlete, obviously athlete role

1372
01:15:01,120 --> 01:15:06,400
Speaker 1: in continuing to amplify these messages that are our community

1373
01:15:06,400 --> 01:15:08,240
Speaker 1: are coming up with, the activist are coming up with,

1374
01:15:08,880 --> 01:15:11,400
Speaker 1: and how important that is. Jack and I had a

1375
01:15:11,479 --> 01:15:14,759
Speaker 1: disagreement when the NBA was going into the bubble. He thought,

1376
01:15:15,200 --> 01:15:17,920
Speaker 1: and we like, we really like completely opposite, different size,

1377
01:15:17,960 --> 01:15:20,280
Speaker 1: how we thought, but we talked and understood the pros

1378
01:15:20,320 --> 01:15:22,800
Speaker 1: and cons of both sides. But he thought that people

1379
01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:26,280
Speaker 1: shouldn't play. We should continue to march, fight, bring awareness.

1380
01:15:27,040 --> 01:15:30,479
Speaker 1: I flipped it, thinking like if we do play the all,

1381
01:15:30,880 --> 01:15:33,200
Speaker 1: you know, our voices are going to be amplified with

1382
01:15:33,240 --> 01:15:35,160
Speaker 1: that NBA logo behind us, Like you'll be able to

1383
01:15:35,200 --> 01:15:37,160
Speaker 1: hear Lebron or hear CP, but you won't be able

1384
01:15:37,160 --> 01:15:39,320
Speaker 1: to hear our whole message. Our whole message travels around

1385
01:15:39,360 --> 01:15:41,880
Speaker 1: the world when that logo is behind it. So we

1386
01:15:41,880 --> 01:15:43,800
Speaker 1: we went back and forth with you know, whether guys

1387
01:15:43,800 --> 01:15:46,479
Speaker 1: should play or not, but they played. I thought they

1388
01:15:46,560 --> 01:15:49,360
Speaker 1: put the message out. How important you think not only

1389
01:15:49,760 --> 01:15:54,360
Speaker 1: basketball but athletes and other entertainers, Uh, how important is

1390
01:15:54,400 --> 01:15:56,920
Speaker 1: for them to continue to push the needle and make

1391
01:15:56,960 --> 01:16:00,479
Speaker 1: people uncomfortable. I think it's It's of the things I

1392
01:16:00,479 --> 01:16:03,160
Speaker 1: think is so important because athletes are some of the

1393
01:16:03,200 --> 01:16:09,599
Speaker 1: most famous people on the planet, and like there, sports

1394
01:16:09,640 --> 01:16:14,080
Speaker 1: is one of those things where people leave their their

1395
01:16:14,120 --> 01:16:15,920
Speaker 1: party lines at the door when you show up to

1396
01:16:15,960 --> 01:16:19,080
Speaker 1: the arena. You're a Lakers fan. You're not a Republican

1397
01:16:19,160 --> 01:16:21,479
Speaker 1: Lakers fan or a Democratic Lakers fan. You're a Lakers fan.

1398
01:16:21,840 --> 01:16:24,599
Speaker 1: And that's the bulls and funk the Bulls. The Lakers

1399
01:16:24,760 --> 01:16:29,240
Speaker 1: better win this game. And so when you're cheering on

1400
01:16:29,439 --> 01:16:35,160
Speaker 1: and supporting these athletes across any sport, I think among

1401
01:16:35,439 --> 01:16:40,479
Speaker 1: from my experience, there is a fear of not having

1402
01:16:41,560 --> 01:16:44,280
Speaker 1: the knowledge of the ability to speak like the people

1403
01:16:44,320 --> 01:16:46,200
Speaker 1: you see on TV when you talk about an issue,

1404
01:16:46,840 --> 01:16:49,479
Speaker 1: to be able to support it or to voice how

1405
01:16:49,520 --> 01:16:52,200
Speaker 1: you feel to or you have to be heard, and

1406
01:16:52,560 --> 01:16:54,479
Speaker 1: I think that causes a lot of athletes to just

1407
01:16:54,520 --> 01:16:56,280
Speaker 1: say nothing or to just kind of hide in the

1408
01:16:56,280 --> 01:16:59,200
Speaker 1: shadows and like let Lebron and let Chris and let

1409
01:17:00,360 --> 01:17:03,160
Speaker 1: Magan Rapino on it all. Like when you step out there,

1410
01:17:03,160 --> 01:17:05,880
Speaker 1: they're gonna listen to every word and look down. So

1411
01:17:05,920 --> 01:17:07,799
Speaker 1: when you do take that leap of faith, it's scary.

1412
01:17:08,040 --> 01:17:09,960
Speaker 1: It is, and I totally get because you're like, I

1413
01:17:10,000 --> 01:17:12,240
Speaker 1: got a brand, I got millions of dollars to protect

1414
01:17:12,240 --> 01:17:15,400
Speaker 1: my family. It totally makes sense. What I what I

1415
01:17:15,479 --> 01:17:20,360
Speaker 1: think we can get to is a place where it's

1416
01:17:20,360 --> 01:17:23,800
Speaker 1: a more cohesive voice, where you don't have to feel isolated.

1417
01:17:23,920 --> 01:17:26,400
Speaker 1: And I got to know all the ins and outs

1418
01:17:26,479 --> 01:17:29,599
Speaker 1: of the George Floyd Act to be able to talk

1419
01:17:29,600 --> 01:17:31,640
Speaker 1: about why I support elements of it, or why I

1420
01:17:31,640 --> 01:17:35,920
Speaker 1: support this or why I support that, and let it

1421
01:17:36,080 --> 01:17:38,280
Speaker 1: just like let them, let them do it for you.

1422
01:17:38,320 --> 01:17:42,679
Speaker 1: But I think it's, like you're saying, so many millions

1423
01:17:42,720 --> 01:17:45,479
Speaker 1: of people are listening and paying attention just seeing black

1424
01:17:45,520 --> 01:17:49,000
Speaker 1: lives matter on the court every game is making you

1425
01:17:49,040 --> 01:17:51,000
Speaker 1: face it. If you're a fan who's been trying to

1426
01:17:51,040 --> 01:17:53,760
Speaker 1: avoid it, you can't there. It is and you have

1427
01:17:53,840 --> 01:17:57,120
Speaker 1: to be confronted with it, and if if more and

1428
01:17:57,200 --> 01:18:00,320
Speaker 1: more athletes, if more and more organizations with some sport,

1429
01:18:00,400 --> 01:18:04,960
Speaker 1: the athletes in using their voice to to talk about

1430
01:18:05,000 --> 01:18:07,880
Speaker 1: the things that are plaguing their community. Because you have

1431
01:18:08,280 --> 01:18:11,960
Speaker 1: an NBA that's like black. You have the NFL it's

1432
01:18:12,000 --> 01:18:15,360
Speaker 1: like seventies something for saying black. How can you as

1433
01:18:15,400 --> 01:18:20,400
Speaker 1: an organization look at the fact that your entire business

1434
01:18:20,479 --> 01:18:24,519
Speaker 1: is built on their backs, on their ability to perform,

1435
01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:27,280
Speaker 1: and you ignore the things that they take home every

1436
01:18:27,320 --> 01:18:29,200
Speaker 1: day because they think they're doing you a favor by

1437
01:18:29,240 --> 01:18:31,920
Speaker 1: allowing you to play. Exactly, they don't. They don't understand

1438
01:18:31,920 --> 01:18:33,760
Speaker 1: that you worked hard your whole life. It's to give

1439
01:18:33,800 --> 01:18:36,000
Speaker 1: from God that you have. They didn't do nothing. They're

1440
01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:38,360
Speaker 1: giving your opportunity that you take an advantage of it.

1441
01:18:38,400 --> 01:18:40,719
Speaker 1: So they that's how they think though they think they've

1442
01:18:40,720 --> 01:18:42,800
Speaker 1: given you something that you didn't work for. But I

1443
01:18:42,800 --> 01:18:44,400
Speaker 1: think that's what we I mean, we need more empathy

1444
01:18:44,439 --> 01:18:46,439
Speaker 1: and understanding at my point of view, because you can't

1445
01:18:46,479 --> 01:18:50,280
Speaker 1: expect uh middle class, upper class white men to ever

1446
01:18:50,400 --> 01:18:52,479
Speaker 1: understand our struggle because they will never have to go

1447
01:18:52,560 --> 01:18:54,000
Speaker 1: to us. But we're asking you is to kind of

1448
01:18:54,000 --> 01:18:56,960
Speaker 1: step outside of your life and and not even walk

1449
01:18:57,000 --> 01:18:58,479
Speaker 1: them out on are you just put see if the

1450
01:18:58,600 --> 01:19:02,360
Speaker 1: motherfucker's fit. I have an understanding of our day to

1451
01:19:02,400 --> 01:19:04,479
Speaker 1: day battles, So why would they do that? You got

1452
01:19:04,560 --> 01:19:07,559
Speaker 1: you got black people that see people struggling in their

1453
01:19:07,600 --> 01:19:10,000
Speaker 1: own neighborhood and they get out and make it and

1454
01:19:10,040 --> 01:19:11,880
Speaker 1: don't even think to go. You know, they're in that

1455
01:19:11,960 --> 01:19:14,000
Speaker 1: position with these people, you know what I'm saying. So

1456
01:19:14,040 --> 01:19:16,519
Speaker 1: how can you expect another race to care about our issues?

1457
01:19:16,520 --> 01:19:18,280
Speaker 1: And we don't even care about our own people. So

1458
01:19:18,479 --> 01:19:21,200
Speaker 1: both of y'all are right in my opinion, And and

1459
01:19:21,800 --> 01:19:23,840
Speaker 1: you know this, that's a very you're not supposed to

1460
01:19:23,840 --> 01:19:27,000
Speaker 1: say on the podcast, fuck that ship, No, But both

1461
01:19:27,000 --> 01:19:29,400
Speaker 1: of y'all all right, So either way it works, but

1462
01:19:29,439 --> 01:19:31,040
Speaker 1: it just you have to be committed to it. Now

1463
01:19:31,040 --> 01:19:34,360
Speaker 1: what you just said is very very very key. It's

1464
01:19:34,400 --> 01:19:36,800
Speaker 1: like what you what you said is people sometimes make

1465
01:19:36,880 --> 01:19:40,920
Speaker 1: out the the the projects, whatever, they don't give back

1466
01:19:40,960 --> 01:19:44,719
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. It's actually not even in our nature,

1467
01:19:46,360 --> 01:19:51,800
Speaker 1: like that's learned. Like we're cooperative, right, But if you

1468
01:19:51,880 --> 01:19:55,280
Speaker 1: get so, we have to make a decision as a

1469
01:19:55,320 --> 01:19:58,760
Speaker 1: community whether or not we're actually a community or we're

1470
01:19:58,760 --> 01:20:02,599
Speaker 1: just a bunch of people that you know what I'm saying. So,

1471
01:20:02,600 --> 01:20:04,559
Speaker 1: so like like we were like we have to make

1472
01:20:04,560 --> 01:20:06,360
Speaker 1: a decision about whether or not we're a community or

1473
01:20:06,400 --> 01:20:08,040
Speaker 1: we're just like a bunch of people that survived some ship.

1474
01:20:08,320 --> 01:20:11,240
Speaker 1: Because right now, if we all, if we all like

1475
01:20:11,360 --> 01:20:13,960
Speaker 1: on a plane, right, we're on a plane, we cruise

1476
01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:16,880
Speaker 1: into our altitude, right, we're going to like I don't know,

1477
01:20:17,840 --> 01:20:22,000
Speaker 1: can'coon whatever, We're going someplace like we're all gonna go

1478
01:20:22,200 --> 01:20:24,160
Speaker 1: he bro, look at this movie. When I'm gonna watch

1479
01:20:24,160 --> 01:20:26,400
Speaker 1: this movie, and I'm gonna watch the movie go, hey man,

1480
01:20:26,439 --> 01:20:27,920
Speaker 1: I can't wait till we get there. When we get there,

1481
01:20:27,920 --> 01:20:29,679
Speaker 1: we're gonna be like, we're gonna coordinate. We're all gonna

1482
01:20:29,720 --> 01:20:34,240
Speaker 1: work together. If the plane goes down, Me, tray Vaughne,

1483
01:20:34,680 --> 01:20:36,760
Speaker 1: and Matt are going to be like, let's eat Jack.

1484
01:20:40,040 --> 01:20:43,120
Speaker 1: If the plane goes down, we're gonna start looking around

1485
01:20:43,120 --> 01:20:46,400
Speaker 1: and being like, okay, who can we eat Jack? Can't

1486
01:20:46,439 --> 01:20:51,120
Speaker 1: swim so right, right, So we because now all primary

1487
01:20:51,160 --> 01:20:55,120
Speaker 1: focus is surviving something. So it's like fucking I gotta

1488
01:20:55,160 --> 01:21:00,000
Speaker 1: stay warm, I gotta stay fed, and not everybody can

1489
01:21:00,120 --> 01:21:04,360
Speaker 1: do it, right, not everybody can stay warm and stay fed.

1490
01:21:04,400 --> 01:21:07,160
Speaker 1: Everybody can't. So then we start looking for the weak

1491
01:21:07,200 --> 01:21:09,640
Speaker 1: person who can't, and then we get them out of

1492
01:21:09,680 --> 01:21:11,639
Speaker 1: there and we take what it is that they got,

1493
01:21:12,160 --> 01:21:15,200
Speaker 1: And that's just not community. That's not what the community is.

1494
01:21:15,520 --> 01:21:19,000
Speaker 1: The community is seeing somebody who may be struggling or

1495
01:21:19,000 --> 01:21:21,840
Speaker 1: who may need to look at helping them because of

1496
01:21:21,880 --> 01:21:25,080
Speaker 1: a belief inherently and a top belief that they're going

1497
01:21:25,120 --> 01:21:27,040
Speaker 1: to add something when they get to where you are.

1498
01:21:27,720 --> 01:21:29,840
Speaker 1: So in terms of your point, that's what we have

1499
01:21:29,920 --> 01:21:32,240
Speaker 1: to decide, whether or not we're a community, or whether

1500
01:21:32,320 --> 01:21:33,679
Speaker 1: or not we're just a bunch of people that survived

1501
01:21:33,720 --> 01:21:36,200
Speaker 1: some ship because survives gonna go their own way. As

1502
01:21:36,200 --> 01:21:37,679
Speaker 1: far as what you guys were talking about in the bubble,

1503
01:21:37,720 --> 01:21:42,519
Speaker 1: I really didn't like. For me. It's like Kyrie Irvin

1504
01:21:42,600 --> 01:21:45,760
Speaker 1: is my favorite basketball player on the planet right, He's

1505
01:21:45,800 --> 01:21:49,960
Speaker 1: my favorite basketball player because I think he's doing something invaluable.

1506
01:21:50,040 --> 01:21:54,719
Speaker 1: He's giving context and perspective to this. He is playing

1507
01:21:54,720 --> 01:22:02,000
Speaker 1: basketball and basketball has provided him, uh a great life

1508
01:22:02,000 --> 01:22:08,040
Speaker 1: and a platform. Is NBA basketball as important as what's

1509
01:22:08,080 --> 01:22:10,439
Speaker 1: going on in the Middle East? Now, It's just not

1510
01:22:11,400 --> 01:22:13,679
Speaker 1: you have to be a moron to think that when kids,

1511
01:22:13,680 --> 01:22:16,240
Speaker 1: when kids are dying, right, So when he when you

1512
01:22:16,240 --> 01:22:18,320
Speaker 1: put a mic in his face and he goes, hey, yeah,

1513
01:22:18,400 --> 01:22:20,400
Speaker 1: basketball is cool, but I want to talk about what's

1514
01:22:20,400 --> 01:22:24,000
Speaker 1: going on in Kenosha, Wisconsin. We we gotta have that.

1515
01:22:24,360 --> 01:22:26,240
Speaker 1: And the rub is that we can't have that if

1516
01:22:26,240 --> 01:22:28,960
Speaker 1: they're not playing, you know what I mean. But then

1517
01:22:29,000 --> 01:22:34,160
Speaker 1: if they don't play, that would be a huge, huge, huge,

1518
01:22:34,240 --> 01:22:36,120
Speaker 1: big thing too, because that would be working on people's

1519
01:22:36,160 --> 01:22:38,360
Speaker 1: pockets so bad. So I think both people are right.

1520
01:22:38,400 --> 01:22:40,840
Speaker 1: But I think one thing that we have to do

1521
01:22:41,000 --> 01:22:43,320
Speaker 1: to Trayvon's point is we just have to know what

1522
01:22:43,360 --> 01:22:46,960
Speaker 1: we're saying. I see so many people and I see

1523
01:22:46,960 --> 01:22:50,759
Speaker 1: stephen A. Smith, uh, and I love stephen A. Smith.

1524
01:22:50,800 --> 01:22:53,640
Speaker 1: I see s A. Smith being critical of Kyrie and

1525
01:22:53,720 --> 01:22:56,040
Speaker 1: being critical of like what he's doing and how he's

1526
01:22:56,080 --> 01:22:59,840
Speaker 1: comporting himself. I think that balance is needed. I think that,

1527
01:23:00,040 --> 01:23:02,200
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, if athletes would have been

1528
01:23:02,240 --> 01:23:04,080
Speaker 1: like this in the nineties or in the eighties, we

1529
01:23:04,160 --> 01:23:06,840
Speaker 1: might be better off right now. And I'm not I'm

1530
01:23:06,880 --> 01:23:10,040
Speaker 1: not coming at those guys. I'm just saying, yeah, it's

1531
01:23:10,080 --> 01:23:12,160
Speaker 1: ship going on. I know the dude could put the

1532
01:23:12,200 --> 01:23:14,360
Speaker 1: ball in the hole. But what else you got for us?

1533
01:23:14,680 --> 01:23:17,840
Speaker 1: I personally like like making white people uncomfortable. I think

1534
01:23:17,880 --> 01:23:21,000
Speaker 1: they actually I think they think better and on their feet.

1535
01:23:21,040 --> 01:23:23,320
Speaker 1: I think we're doing a disservice to white people by

1536
01:23:23,400 --> 01:23:26,240
Speaker 1: keeping them comfortable because they're not gonna do it right,

1537
01:23:26,320 --> 01:23:28,760
Speaker 1: and now we're gonna have to come at them. The

1538
01:23:28,800 --> 01:23:32,360
Speaker 1: best thing we can do for white america's continuously made

1539
01:23:32,360 --> 01:23:35,320
Speaker 1: them uncomfortable, and then we'll all get to a place

1540
01:23:35,360 --> 01:23:37,040
Speaker 1: where maybe we could all be a little bit more.

1541
01:23:38,000 --> 01:23:40,400
Speaker 1: I mean, it's crazy you brought up Kyrie because I

1542
01:23:40,479 --> 01:23:43,559
Speaker 1: was someone who was opinionated on this thing, because it

1543
01:23:43,600 --> 01:23:46,160
Speaker 1: didn't seem like when he first came with the idea

1544
01:23:46,240 --> 01:23:48,080
Speaker 1: that he had a plan. To me, I wanted to

1545
01:23:48,080 --> 01:23:49,519
Speaker 1: have a plan. This is another thing. He and I

1546
01:23:49,560 --> 01:23:51,880
Speaker 1: went out ye talk every day, and it was it

1547
01:23:51,920 --> 01:23:53,640
Speaker 1: was because it's just like, you know, you have that

1548
01:23:53,640 --> 01:23:55,720
Speaker 1: platform with you're poky, You're not gonna play. What's the plan?

1549
01:23:56,360 --> 01:23:59,639
Speaker 1: Not playing is not solving anything, like you said, You're

1550
01:23:59,680 --> 01:24:02,000
Speaker 1: just you're making people mad because games are, but like

1551
01:24:02,040 --> 01:24:03,840
Speaker 1: what you're planing. And then once I kind of figured

1552
01:24:03,840 --> 01:24:05,600
Speaker 1: out what his play or hearing what his plan and

1553
01:24:05,600 --> 01:24:07,519
Speaker 1: seeing that he really had a plan. I had to

1554
01:24:07,560 --> 01:24:09,320
Speaker 1: take a step back and ad I was wrong, because

1555
01:24:09,320 --> 01:24:11,320
Speaker 1: like to me, I think, like I said, our strength

1556
01:24:11,400 --> 01:24:13,639
Speaker 1: is our platform, Our strength is our voice. Our strength

1557
01:24:13,680 --> 01:24:15,640
Speaker 1: is our ability to connect dots, our strength of our

1558
01:24:15,640 --> 01:24:17,800
Speaker 1: ability to get our voice around the world. So okay,

1559
01:24:17,960 --> 01:24:20,400
Speaker 1: if you're just gonna set out, that's you're wasting all.

1560
01:24:20,880 --> 01:24:22,840
Speaker 1: But he was doing more than just what at this

1561
01:24:22,840 --> 01:24:24,320
Speaker 1: What if he didn't have a plan. What if he

1562
01:24:24,400 --> 01:24:26,439
Speaker 1: just said a black man got shot today, I don't

1563
01:24:26,439 --> 01:24:28,600
Speaker 1: feel like shooting the basketball. I would understand that. But

1564
01:24:28,640 --> 01:24:31,760
Speaker 1: to me, it's it's not like that's your that's your

1565
01:24:31,800 --> 01:24:34,960
Speaker 1: individual choice and that's what you want to do, you

1566
01:24:34,960 --> 01:24:37,040
Speaker 1: know what I mean. But to criticize other people that

1567
01:24:37,120 --> 01:24:39,000
Speaker 1: want to go move forward and go ahead and play,

1568
01:24:39,640 --> 01:24:41,120
Speaker 1: I'm not with But if you do like I said

1569
01:24:41,200 --> 01:24:42,519
Speaker 1: and find out that he did have a plan, like

1570
01:24:42,560 --> 01:24:44,120
Speaker 1: I had to take a step back and it admit

1571
01:24:44,240 --> 01:24:46,960
Speaker 1: I was wrong and have extended a hand and and

1572
01:24:46,960 --> 01:24:49,719
Speaker 1: and sitting down and having a conversation. But I completely

1573
01:24:49,760 --> 01:24:52,479
Speaker 1: agree like the way he handles stuff now And to me,

1574
01:24:52,880 --> 01:24:55,479
Speaker 1: I mean, we're transitioning into the basketball conversation part of

1575
01:24:55,479 --> 01:24:57,679
Speaker 1: the interview right now, I think Kyrie is the best

1576
01:24:57,720 --> 01:25:01,160
Speaker 1: player right now he's ever been because he's so clear

1577
01:25:01,160 --> 01:25:03,479
Speaker 1: on who he is as a player on and off

1578
01:25:03,520 --> 01:25:06,080
Speaker 1: the court, supercarm and he's so at peace with who

1579
01:25:06,080 --> 01:25:07,880
Speaker 1: he is on and off the court, and not a

1580
01:25:07,920 --> 01:25:11,040
Speaker 1: motherfucker can't disturb that. And then usually when you're at peace,

1581
01:25:11,040 --> 01:25:13,120
Speaker 1: that's when you're at your best and everything you're putting

1582
01:25:13,120 --> 01:25:15,160
Speaker 1: your first you know, you're putting your your foot first. Two.

1583
01:25:15,200 --> 01:25:18,320
Speaker 1: So I love what he's doing. I definitely love that.

1584
01:25:18,640 --> 01:25:22,200
Speaker 1: Look at this season he had though the sixth player,

1585
01:25:22,520 --> 01:25:25,960
Speaker 1: seventh player. Yeah, so it's and fast after fast in

1586
01:25:26,000 --> 01:25:29,360
Speaker 1: the month. M I don't understand his game. It's incredible.

1587
01:25:29,800 --> 01:25:31,479
Speaker 1: He just got told so much in his bag. You

1588
01:25:31,520 --> 01:25:34,080
Speaker 1: can't you don't know what it's not even a but

1589
01:25:34,120 --> 01:25:36,240
Speaker 1: it's not a bag. I think it's I think it's

1590
01:25:36,600 --> 01:25:39,920
Speaker 1: disrespectful the call. What Kylie ever has he got like

1591
01:25:40,000 --> 01:25:43,160
Speaker 1: you know, like them a little Infinity symbols forever whatever

1592
01:25:43,200 --> 01:25:46,800
Speaker 1: he wants. Yeah, so my man, yeah, my rolling, right,

1593
01:25:47,360 --> 01:25:49,799
Speaker 1: my man Rolling. He works with he works with Kyrie,

1594
01:25:50,479 --> 01:25:52,760
Speaker 1: And he told me one time because like I'm trying

1595
01:25:52,800 --> 01:26:00,880
Speaker 1: to get my game back right for the adult men's leads,

1596
01:26:02,479 --> 01:26:04,880
Speaker 1: he went through. He not too long ago. If y'all

1597
01:26:04,880 --> 01:26:08,640
Speaker 1: don't know, he went back to some old footage. He

1598
01:26:08,760 --> 01:26:12,000
Speaker 1: was a little heavier and he showed itself. Duncan, that

1599
01:26:12,120 --> 01:26:13,720
Speaker 1: was a while back then. I don't know if you're

1600
01:26:13,720 --> 01:26:15,880
Speaker 1: gonna get back to that. Let's say. Here's the thing, though,

1601
01:26:15,960 --> 01:26:19,559
Speaker 1: it's not about Duncan anymore. The player in the NBA

1602
01:26:19,680 --> 01:26:25,919
Speaker 1: that has set me free, Luca, I can do that, Bro,

1603
01:26:26,000 --> 01:26:28,320
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, Bro, I can I can do that. Bro,

1604
01:26:28,479 --> 01:26:32,080
Speaker 1: that likely six to seven. But I'm in the I'm

1605
01:26:32,080 --> 01:26:35,880
Speaker 1: in the men's league. Though, in the men's league, I'm yoking. Okay, alright,

1606
01:26:36,120 --> 01:26:38,200
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So that's what I'm saying. Like I look

1607
01:26:38,200 --> 01:26:41,800
Speaker 1: at Yokis and I'm like, sometimes, Bro, Yoki is just crazy, Bro,

1608
01:26:41,880 --> 01:26:46,200
Speaker 1: like this nig is not fast. Like and I'm looking

1609
01:26:46,240 --> 01:26:47,960
Speaker 1: at Yokas, I'm like, Yo, I can do that, and

1610
01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:49,920
Speaker 1: I hear I hear IRV and be like, Bro, I

1611
01:26:50,040 --> 01:26:51,760
Speaker 1: just sent him Yoki clips and stuff like this, and

1612
01:26:51,880 --> 01:26:53,880
Speaker 1: be like van stop, I'm actually working with a real

1613
01:26:54,000 --> 01:26:59,840
Speaker 1: NBA player. I can do But he told me, he said, Kyrie,

1614
01:27:00,680 --> 01:27:03,120
Speaker 1: and it's something that I even can't because people think

1615
01:27:03,160 --> 01:27:05,360
Speaker 1: they know about basketball, but they really don't know anything

1616
01:27:05,360 --> 01:27:07,639
Speaker 1: about basketball. A lot of people it's like Kyrie really

1617
01:27:07,720 --> 01:27:10,400
Speaker 1: just he's not even setting you up. He's just really

1618
01:27:10,120 --> 01:27:13,880
Speaker 1: reacting to whatever the whole game, whatever it is you do.

1619
01:27:14,320 --> 01:27:18,479
Speaker 1: He's going at full speed, just reacting and you don't

1620
01:27:18,520 --> 01:27:20,640
Speaker 1: even look right. I can't think of anybody that's been that.

1621
01:27:20,800 --> 01:27:23,760
Speaker 1: Maybe Steph has been that skilled. Steff is pretty like.

1622
01:27:23,800 --> 01:27:25,720
Speaker 1: I can't think of anybody that's skilled with him and

1623
01:27:26,360 --> 01:27:28,519
Speaker 1: one thing with them their basketball. I Q was through

1624
01:27:28,520 --> 01:27:40,040
Speaker 1: the rule. So it's mine, bro, Like this time, name

1625
01:27:40,080 --> 01:27:45,559
Speaker 1: is the most drop on this show. No I can play.

1626
01:27:45,680 --> 01:27:49,639
Speaker 1: We brought term on turn got some left person not

1627
01:27:49,720 --> 01:27:57,400
Speaker 1: a celebrity. Thoughts on the playoffs Laker fans and Nets fans,

1628
01:27:57,439 --> 01:27:59,320
Speaker 1: who you guys have? What are you interested in this?

1629
01:27:59,560 --> 01:28:02,880
Speaker 1: Uh seesons playoffs? Man, it's hard not to ride from

1630
01:28:02,880 --> 01:28:07,160
Speaker 1: my team. It's I just want the Lakers to play well.

1631
01:28:07,320 --> 01:28:10,439
Speaker 1: That's on your team that you on the chance um

1632
01:28:10,439 --> 01:28:13,680
Speaker 1: maddeling injury coming into the playoffs. I'm not getting my

1633
01:28:13,720 --> 01:28:17,200
Speaker 1: hopes that man. As as it's been bad, just know

1634
01:28:17,479 --> 01:28:21,799
Speaker 1: it's got the two players that hurt uh Tsunami, Hurricane.

1635
01:28:21,840 --> 01:28:24,679
Speaker 1: Anything can happen. They still got a chance. Yeah. Yeah,

1636
01:28:24,720 --> 01:28:27,280
Speaker 1: I mean it's one of those things where, like you you,

1637
01:28:27,280 --> 01:28:29,439
Speaker 1: you can't count out Bron Like it's hard to ever

1638
01:28:29,960 --> 01:28:32,000
Speaker 1: kind of them out. I mean I've I've you know,

1639
01:28:32,439 --> 01:28:34,720
Speaker 1: every we've all watched him play for the last like

1640
01:28:35,240 --> 01:28:39,519
Speaker 1: ten years like a monster and just defy so many

1641
01:28:39,960 --> 01:28:42,800
Speaker 1: odds and come back in three one and do all

1642
01:28:42,840 --> 01:28:46,200
Speaker 1: the things that like you just you just you can't

1643
01:28:46,240 --> 01:28:48,880
Speaker 1: count them out. But I mean, father time, man, you can't.

1644
01:28:49,479 --> 01:28:51,880
Speaker 1: It's I mean, I don't gotta tell y'all like it's

1645
01:28:52,000 --> 01:28:54,920
Speaker 1: it's when you play that high level long enough, eventually

1646
01:28:54,960 --> 01:28:57,880
Speaker 1: your body is like enough in his prime, his whole career,

1647
01:28:57,920 --> 01:29:01,240
Speaker 1: which is insane. Yeah, And so I mean, I'm hoping

1648
01:29:01,280 --> 01:29:06,000
Speaker 1: we're not witnessing that, like him start to creep over

1649
01:29:06,040 --> 01:29:08,400
Speaker 1: that thing just yet. But you know, we all know

1650
01:29:08,479 --> 01:29:11,280
Speaker 1: it's coming. Holly Jane's wife said, he's setting it up.

1651
01:29:12,000 --> 01:29:15,000
Speaker 1: I'm hurt. I beat Steph And when he's setting up

1652
01:29:15,040 --> 01:29:19,559
Speaker 1: the home he's doing. I thought about that too. I

1653
01:29:19,600 --> 01:29:21,760
Speaker 1: was like, I wonder if he's just like bro. I

1654
01:29:21,760 --> 01:29:24,760
Speaker 1: wouldn't doubt he planned the injury game and he don't

1655
01:29:24,800 --> 01:29:29,519
Speaker 1: come back and just like he was catching lives and

1656
01:29:29,520 --> 01:29:31,519
Speaker 1: doing his old ship he was doing when he was nineteen.

1657
01:29:31,600 --> 01:29:35,639
Speaker 1: So Bron, is he gonna be straight? What about you? Man?

1658
01:29:35,640 --> 01:29:37,160
Speaker 1: Who are you? Who are you riding with? And what

1659
01:29:37,200 --> 01:29:39,280
Speaker 1: are you looking forward to in these playoffs? I think

1660
01:29:39,280 --> 01:29:43,120
Speaker 1: the Lakers. The Lakers are fine. Um. I don't think

1661
01:29:43,160 --> 01:29:44,760
Speaker 1: going on the road to win it's gonna be as

1662
01:29:44,800 --> 01:29:46,720
Speaker 1: big a deal this time because the arenas aren't full.

1663
01:29:47,280 --> 01:29:50,000
Speaker 1: So I think the Lakers are fine. I think, uh,

1664
01:29:50,080 --> 01:29:52,760
Speaker 1: it's really the Lakers aren't so much. The question, I

1665
01:29:52,800 --> 01:29:55,479
Speaker 1: think the question for me is what really do these

1666
01:29:55,479 --> 01:29:59,360
Speaker 1: other teams have? Is Phoenix legit? Is you tall legit?

1667
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:03,280
Speaker 1: All the Cooper's legit? Like all these teams when they

1668
01:30:03,320 --> 01:30:06,120
Speaker 1: when push comes to shove, are they really ready to

1669
01:30:06,160 --> 01:30:08,519
Speaker 1: make deep playoff runs? You got to realize when the

1670
01:30:08,760 --> 01:30:11,880
Speaker 1: teams right now they're looking at the wounded Lakers and

1671
01:30:11,920 --> 01:30:15,639
Speaker 1: they got blood dripping right here to get them. Yeah,

1672
01:30:15,720 --> 01:30:20,880
Speaker 1: I'm waiting. I do think though, have to have the

1673
01:30:20,960 --> 01:30:24,320
Speaker 1: Lakers as an eight or seven and they would be

1674
01:30:24,320 --> 01:30:29,200
Speaker 1: favorite and the favorite. That'd be crazy. And imagine them

1675
01:30:29,240 --> 01:30:31,360
Speaker 1: coming from a seven or eight seed to me in

1676
01:30:31,360 --> 01:30:33,680
Speaker 1: the Western Conference and m CPS, my guy there the

1677
01:30:33,680 --> 01:30:35,720
Speaker 1: two seed, but I wouldn't be surprised if there was

1678
01:30:35,800 --> 01:30:39,320
Speaker 1: a one eight or to seven upset in the playoffs

1679
01:30:39,360 --> 01:30:41,519
Speaker 1: this year. I don't think at the top from a

1680
01:30:41,600 --> 01:30:45,560
Speaker 1: conspirac standpoint, can really handle. You know, the meat of

1681
01:30:45,600 --> 01:30:46,840
Speaker 1: the pack has been there, at the top of the

1682
01:30:46,840 --> 01:30:48,759
Speaker 1: pack hasn't really been there. So I wouldn't be surprised.

1683
01:30:48,760 --> 01:30:50,720
Speaker 1: In the Eastern Conference, you guys like you guys like

1684
01:30:50,800 --> 01:30:57,280
Speaker 1: over there, the the Wizards have been interesting, like you

1685
01:30:57,280 --> 01:31:02,760
Speaker 1: know they I think they finished the season like pretty strong. Well,

1686
01:31:02,840 --> 01:31:08,800
Speaker 1: I mean the sixers is sixers and nets nets. To me,

1687
01:31:08,880 --> 01:31:11,320
Speaker 1: Milwaukee is the sleeper to me in the Eastern because

1688
01:31:11,320 --> 01:31:13,400
Speaker 1: they've flown under the radar. They've always been the one

1689
01:31:13,400 --> 01:31:15,280
Speaker 1: seed with you know, and I always last couple of

1690
01:31:15,320 --> 01:31:17,599
Speaker 1: years and having achieved that, but now they've been under

1691
01:31:17,600 --> 01:31:20,000
Speaker 1: the radar working on different lineups. Johannice is the months

1692
01:31:20,000 --> 01:31:22,160
Speaker 1: of Jannice can be that regular season guy in the playoffs,

1693
01:31:22,160 --> 01:31:26,599
Speaker 1: Holiday and twice. So this is a thing for me.

1694
01:31:26,880 --> 01:31:30,240
Speaker 1: Like in the East, obviously, if Brooklyn is healthy, Brooklyn

1695
01:31:30,439 --> 01:31:33,639
Speaker 1: is the favorite, right, but the East has some really

1696
01:31:33,720 --> 01:31:36,720
Speaker 1: interesting wild cards, like for example, Miami has the experience

1697
01:31:37,400 --> 01:31:41,040
Speaker 1: right Miami has the experience. Miami has guys who have

1698
01:31:41,080 --> 01:31:46,439
Speaker 1: been there. They just made a run. Yo. The Bucks

1699
01:31:46,479 --> 01:31:52,840
Speaker 1: have a kind of weird favorable matchup with the Nets.

1700
01:31:53,400 --> 01:31:56,719
Speaker 1: The Bucks can defend with the Nets and I'll scoring

1701
01:31:56,960 --> 01:31:59,439
Speaker 1: and I'll score them. So the Bucks, the Bucks, they

1702
01:31:59,520 --> 01:32:01,360
Speaker 1: don't have it not a favorable match up, but it's

1703
01:32:01,400 --> 01:32:04,800
Speaker 1: a weirdly good matchup for him, Holiday can be effective

1704
01:32:05,160 --> 01:32:08,280
Speaker 1: and slowing down, Kyrie, you know you can use Jannis

1705
01:32:08,280 --> 01:32:10,880
Speaker 1: a little bit on durant Um. I am not saying

1706
01:32:10,880 --> 01:32:13,599
Speaker 1: anybody's gonna stop those guys, but it looks like like

1707
01:32:13,720 --> 01:32:15,240
Speaker 1: on his face that they may be be able to

1708
01:32:15,280 --> 01:32:18,800
Speaker 1: compete with them, you know, in a series. For me,

1709
01:32:18,920 --> 01:32:20,720
Speaker 1: the interesting thing is how good is Joel E and B?

1710
01:32:21,439 --> 01:32:25,519
Speaker 1: M hm, Like, how good is Joel? And I know,

1711
01:32:25,640 --> 01:32:27,720
Speaker 1: I know he is a motherfucker, But like, is he

1712
01:32:28,840 --> 01:32:32,240
Speaker 1: is Joel E and B right now? Shock in ninety

1713
01:32:32,320 --> 01:32:35,760
Speaker 1: five or is he Shock in two thousand one? You

1714
01:32:35,760 --> 01:32:37,680
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Is he is he ready to

1715
01:32:38,120 --> 01:32:42,120
Speaker 1: take over? Shock has always been a dominant force, but

1716
01:32:42,200 --> 01:32:45,720
Speaker 1: at one point it was a fucking joke. It was

1717
01:32:45,760 --> 01:32:51,200
Speaker 1: a joke. Is Joel and be ready to take completely over?

1718
01:32:51,560 --> 01:32:53,439
Speaker 1: Because if he is really ready to be that guy.

1719
01:32:53,600 --> 01:32:57,919
Speaker 1: He's that guy down then like you you then then

1720
01:32:57,960 --> 01:33:02,200
Speaker 1: they're dangerous too. It's just hard to pick against. Oh,

1721
01:33:02,240 --> 01:33:04,479
Speaker 1: we haven't even mentioned my favorite team in the whole league.

1722
01:33:04,520 --> 01:33:07,479
Speaker 1: Now my favorite team in the whole league to me,

1723
01:33:07,720 --> 01:33:10,160
Speaker 1: the guy who was the league m v P like,

1724
01:33:10,320 --> 01:33:14,439
Speaker 1: I like, I love watching their next play man stop.

1725
01:33:14,600 --> 01:33:21,960
Speaker 1: Julius Randall is the I love watching the Knicks. I

1726
01:33:22,000 --> 01:33:25,280
Speaker 1: don't understanding what you originally from. I'm from Louisiana, bat Rouge,

1727
01:33:25,360 --> 01:33:27,479
Speaker 1: and how you get to have been a Laker fan

1728
01:33:28,000 --> 01:33:30,080
Speaker 1: because we lived out here for a couple of years,

1729
01:33:30,120 --> 01:33:31,639
Speaker 1: like a year and a half. I remember my dad

1730
01:33:31,680 --> 01:33:34,559
Speaker 1: had this contract and the guy they couldn't let my dad.

1731
01:33:34,600 --> 01:33:37,280
Speaker 1: I've had to ask you that they couldn't. Like seriously,

1732
01:33:37,280 --> 01:33:38,880
Speaker 1: my dad was a semi finish out here and he

1733
01:33:38,920 --> 01:33:40,920
Speaker 1: had this contract with this guy and the guy was like, look,

1734
01:33:40,960 --> 01:33:43,439
Speaker 1: I can't meet that number. But my brother just gave

1735
01:33:43,479 --> 01:33:51,519
Speaker 1: me some Laker tacks and my dad's like the game

1736
01:33:51,760 --> 01:33:54,200
Speaker 1: and we go see the Laker game. I'm looking around

1737
01:33:54,200 --> 01:33:57,240
Speaker 1: this bitch, I'm like I'm sitting there. I'm like, yo,

1738
01:33:57,360 --> 01:34:00,240
Speaker 1: is that our senior hall? And my dad was like yeah, yeah,

1739
01:34:00,240 --> 01:34:01,920
Speaker 1: famous people come to these games. I'm like, Yo, this

1740
01:34:01,920 --> 01:34:04,720
Speaker 1: ship is a amazing why would you be And we

1741
01:34:04,760 --> 01:34:07,040
Speaker 1: didn't have a team. So I've been on the Lakers, man,

1742
01:34:07,120 --> 01:34:09,080
Speaker 1: I don't funk that people always do that to me.

1743
01:34:09,360 --> 01:34:12,360
Speaker 1: I suffered with the Lakers through the down three era.

1744
01:34:13,080 --> 01:34:16,920
Speaker 1: I suffered. I suffer through the Lakers. I was the

1745
01:34:17,400 --> 01:34:21,720
Speaker 1: Robert Sackray era when we when we like had like

1746
01:34:21,800 --> 01:34:27,600
Speaker 1: fucking you know, D'Angelo Russell was on. Yeah, I was like,

1747
01:34:27,640 --> 01:34:29,760
Speaker 1: shout out D'Angelo Russell. I'm not but you know that

1748
01:34:29,840 --> 01:34:32,040
Speaker 1: whole like I was with them. So yeah, I'm I'm

1749
01:34:32,040 --> 01:34:34,719
Speaker 1: a Laker fan, but the Knicks. But I love watching

1750
01:34:34,800 --> 01:34:37,479
Speaker 1: the Rows do his thing, bro, I love watching I

1751
01:34:37,600 --> 01:34:40,679
Speaker 1: love watching these guys and they play so in spot much.

1752
01:34:41,520 --> 01:34:43,519
Speaker 1: You don't speke much for the Knicks in the playoffs.

1753
01:34:43,560 --> 01:34:45,040
Speaker 1: I don't spec gonna come out of the East, but

1754
01:34:45,080 --> 01:34:46,840
Speaker 1: they're not gonna come out there. It might be in

1755
01:34:46,920 --> 01:34:48,559
Speaker 1: the taining to watch and play a couple of games,

1756
01:34:48,560 --> 01:34:52,519
Speaker 1: but you know, let's slow down now. Shout out to

1757
01:34:52,520 --> 01:34:56,479
Speaker 1: coach TIBs though great turnaround, quick hitters man. First thing

1758
01:34:56,520 --> 01:34:58,360
Speaker 1: to come to mind. And you guys are collaboring on

1759
01:34:58,400 --> 01:35:03,439
Speaker 1: some of these answers. So together your top five artists music? Music,

1760
01:35:03,479 --> 01:35:10,799
Speaker 1: Oh shit, just in any genre? Uh Rihanna, Hove, Drake,

1761
01:35:11,800 --> 01:35:16,280
Speaker 1: fred o'bang, Okay, Barrouge, Louisiana, look at it by time

1762
01:35:16,439 --> 01:35:20,760
Speaker 1: go home, fred o'bang, thank you for going home. Um,

1763
01:35:21,040 --> 01:35:25,320
Speaker 1: Tam and Paula. Who Tam and Paula? You only y'all

1764
01:35:25,360 --> 01:35:28,000
Speaker 1: listen to Tam and Paula. I'm not familiar. I'm not familiar.

1765
01:35:28,040 --> 01:35:30,840
Speaker 1: I listened to listen to Tam Pola in your life,

1766
01:35:30,840 --> 01:35:37,639
Speaker 1: Broo you got, I'm gonna go. Kendrick Cole, Drake, Frank

1767
01:35:38,640 --> 01:35:45,840
Speaker 1: and Ja Okay. Top fives more most impactful films traightmon

1768
01:35:45,880 --> 01:35:52,720
Speaker 1: impact for films um in no particular order. I'm gonna say, uh,

1769
01:35:53,120 --> 01:36:01,080
Speaker 1: do the right thing, Boys in the Hood, The Godfather, Moonlight,

1770
01:36:02,800 --> 01:36:14,440
Speaker 1: um and uh oh God, what's the first fifth one? Um?

1771
01:36:14,439 --> 01:36:17,400
Speaker 1: And to this and Strangers. Yes, if you ever do

1772
01:36:17,479 --> 01:36:23,200
Speaker 1: a black version of Godfather, I'm getting into the business

1773
01:36:23,240 --> 01:36:25,200
Speaker 1: Matt walking me in so I will be perfect for

1774
01:36:25,280 --> 01:36:29,080
Speaker 1: that movie. Man. If you just sit at any game

1775
01:36:29,200 --> 01:36:32,639
Speaker 1: court side in NBA history, what game would it be? Oh?

1776
01:36:32,680 --> 01:36:39,040
Speaker 1: Ship the Pointer? Yeah, Toronto. I don't give a fuck

1777
01:36:39,360 --> 01:36:41,920
Speaker 1: if we well know if how good we work as

1778
01:36:41,960 --> 01:36:46,960
Speaker 1: we did win the game man to watch that great

1779
01:36:47,320 --> 01:36:53,120
Speaker 1: cook like that and the narrative like the we were down,

1780
01:36:54,160 --> 01:36:57,080
Speaker 1: Kobe did what he had to do to win. So

1781
01:36:57,520 --> 01:36:59,240
Speaker 1: that would be the one that that There were games

1782
01:36:59,240 --> 01:37:02,240
Speaker 1: that like obviously see you know, bigger games and stuff

1783
01:37:02,280 --> 01:37:05,000
Speaker 1: like that. But to watch him do that, you could

1784
01:37:05,040 --> 01:37:07,559
Speaker 1: be in any movie set ever to see how it unfolded.

1785
01:37:07,560 --> 01:37:13,160
Speaker 1: What movie would it be? Thank you, matt Um. Yeah,

1786
01:37:13,520 --> 01:37:15,400
Speaker 1: there's two movies in my head and I'm having a

1787
01:37:15,439 --> 01:37:18,920
Speaker 1: hard time picking one because it would either have to

1788
01:37:18,960 --> 01:37:21,360
Speaker 1: be Do the Right Thing or The Guy Father too.

1789
01:37:22,160 --> 01:37:24,920
Speaker 1: Second one, man would be Reservoir Dogs. That would be

1790
01:37:24,920 --> 01:37:28,320
Speaker 1: a good one. You know. You know it's funny you

1791
01:37:28,320 --> 01:37:31,639
Speaker 1: said that was just like a movie. No, it's because

1792
01:37:32,240 --> 01:37:35,040
Speaker 1: I watched Reservoir Dogs recently. And you know, Lawrence bend

1793
01:37:35,120 --> 01:37:37,160
Speaker 1: is one of our producers. Shout out to Lawrence and

1794
01:37:37,200 --> 01:37:38,800
Speaker 1: I and I and I text him about this and

1795
01:37:38,800 --> 01:37:41,760
Speaker 1: I'm always very blunt about it with him. That movie

1796
01:37:41,800 --> 01:37:48,280
Speaker 1: Don't hold up, Man, don't hold ups, don't hold up.

1797
01:37:49,000 --> 01:37:54,240
Speaker 1: You can't predict what's gonna happen. Look, man, there is

1798
01:37:54,439 --> 01:38:01,560
Speaker 1: so many absolutely unnecessary niggas and reservoir dogs. It is unwatchable.

1799
01:38:01,600 --> 01:38:06,120
Speaker 1: What's Who's Go watch the first minutes, Go watch the

1800
01:38:06,120 --> 01:38:09,920
Speaker 1: first twenty minutes the reservod dolls today, and tell me

1801
01:38:10,560 --> 01:38:13,880
Speaker 1: after you watch it that you're not going You can't

1802
01:38:13,920 --> 01:38:15,600
Speaker 1: pick out five niggas that don't need to be in

1803
01:38:15,640 --> 01:38:18,320
Speaker 1: the script, and any nigga that's not sad by nigga

1804
01:38:18,320 --> 01:38:19,759
Speaker 1: in the movie not supposed to be in the script?

1805
01:38:20,560 --> 01:38:24,519
Speaker 1: What you mean? That's really just don't it just it

1806
01:38:24,560 --> 01:38:26,559
Speaker 1: don't hold up to me, man, It don't hold up

1807
01:38:26,600 --> 01:38:28,880
Speaker 1: to me. But and I say that as a person

1808
01:38:28,920 --> 01:38:32,080
Speaker 1: who loved that movie and hadn't watched it for in

1809
01:38:32,080 --> 01:38:34,880
Speaker 1: a long time, and like last month I put it on.

1810
01:38:35,000 --> 01:38:39,040
Speaker 1: Go damn, man, this just feels like gratuitous in a

1811
01:38:39,040 --> 01:38:42,120
Speaker 1: way that I'm not really sure about it anymore. And

1812
01:38:43,040 --> 01:38:48,479
Speaker 1: but no man shout out then five dinner guests dead

1813
01:38:48,560 --> 01:38:52,639
Speaker 1: or alives. Okay, you know this is gonna be This's

1814
01:38:52,640 --> 01:38:56,960
Speaker 1: gonna be all the place tough. So it's like, uh so,

1815
01:38:58,000 --> 01:39:03,360
Speaker 1: uh Ella Baker Trump fans, who was Ella Baker? Ella

1816
01:39:03,439 --> 01:39:08,639
Speaker 1: Baker is one of the most not talked about people

1817
01:39:08,680 --> 01:39:11,519
Speaker 1: in black his stores because she's a black woman, that

1818
01:39:11,840 --> 01:39:17,720
Speaker 1: was very vital in the founding of Snick and was

1819
01:39:17,760 --> 01:39:20,840
Speaker 1: like a mentor to John Lewis and Stoken Carmichael and

1820
01:39:20,840 --> 01:39:23,599
Speaker 1: guys like that. She's just like amazing. So I hope

1821
01:39:23,600 --> 01:39:27,000
Speaker 1: to bring her story out to the masses one day.

1822
01:39:27,000 --> 01:39:31,639
Speaker 1: So I would say Ellen Baker. Damn, it's a tough question.

1823
01:39:31,680 --> 01:39:35,200
Speaker 1: Marvin Gaye. I think Marvin gay had like an incredible life.

1824
01:39:36,400 --> 01:39:40,840
Speaker 1: Barack Obama, you know, I want to meet Barack Obama.

1825
01:39:40,840 --> 01:39:47,519
Speaker 1: I've never met Barack Obama before. Uh, Stanley Kubrick. And

1826
01:39:48,120 --> 01:39:54,000
Speaker 1: probably James Baldwin. Probably James Baldwin. Interesting, Yeah, probably James

1827
01:39:54,000 --> 01:39:59,280
Speaker 1: bald h I would definitely say Baldwin. He's on my

1828
01:39:59,280 --> 01:40:01,760
Speaker 1: shirt right now. That's like like one of my one

1829
01:40:01,760 --> 01:40:08,280
Speaker 1: of my gods. Obama, Um, for sure. Malcolm, Yeah, my favorite.

1830
01:40:08,320 --> 01:40:14,040
Speaker 1: His birthday yesterday, Malcolm and Martin. You know why, because

1831
01:40:14,080 --> 01:40:18,040
Speaker 1: like that would be interesting conversation just to like contextualize

1832
01:40:18,080 --> 01:40:20,920
Speaker 1: that a little from a little alcohol and see what happened.

1833
01:40:21,040 --> 01:40:23,360
Speaker 1: And then there's just like really to get Martin too

1834
01:40:23,439 --> 01:40:29,080
Speaker 1: drunk work, and then I think like maybe to really

1835
01:40:29,160 --> 01:40:33,600
Speaker 1: like like mix it up. I throw a hove in there, Okay,

1836
01:40:34,240 --> 01:40:37,760
Speaker 1: just because I just imagine just cut fucking crazy. That

1837
01:40:37,800 --> 01:40:40,479
Speaker 1: would be there's questions for both of y'all. Who do

1838
01:40:40,560 --> 01:40:42,720
Speaker 1: y'all want to see on this show. I want to

1839
01:40:42,760 --> 01:40:44,880
Speaker 1: see y'll rapp it Obama, man, that would be dopeest

1840
01:40:44,920 --> 01:40:47,520
Speaker 1: luck to that's I want to I want to see that.

1841
01:40:47,520 --> 01:40:49,160
Speaker 1: That would be like the Shaun King episode. Me. I

1842
01:40:49,160 --> 01:40:51,120
Speaker 1: probably wouldn't say much as to be sitting there listening.

1843
01:40:52,000 --> 01:40:54,880
Speaker 1: I gotta smoke, though, I'm sure he did. You just

1844
01:40:54,920 --> 01:40:57,599
Speaker 1: smoke squaws. Yeah, he's just like used to smoke trees.

1845
01:40:58,080 --> 01:41:02,519
Speaker 1: I gotta smoke. I want to just see he got

1846
01:41:02,560 --> 01:41:07,920
Speaker 1: them purple lips showtime he got I know what smoking

1847
01:41:08,000 --> 01:41:11,120
Speaker 1: lips look like. Not at at ten times, but not

1848
01:41:11,240 --> 01:41:13,679
Speaker 1: at times. I can tell you I'll smoke of Byes lips,

1849
01:41:14,280 --> 01:41:17,880
Speaker 1: but nine purple. That's when I knew Jack. I traded

1850
01:41:17,880 --> 01:41:19,799
Speaker 1: to the Warriors. I looked at you, I knew he smoked.

1851
01:41:19,800 --> 01:41:21,280
Speaker 1: I was like, we're gonna get along just fine. And

1852
01:41:21,360 --> 01:41:26,080
Speaker 1: look at us now years later anyway, man, fellas, we

1853
01:41:26,120 --> 01:41:29,920
Speaker 1: appreciate your time. Thank you man, Congratulations on the Oscar

1854
01:41:29,960 --> 01:41:32,400
Speaker 1: and all the success and hopefully it opens plenty of

1855
01:41:32,439 --> 01:41:36,040
Speaker 1: doors for you guys and your team. Question for it's

1856
01:41:36,080 --> 01:41:39,040
Speaker 1: what basketball question. If the Warriors get in as a

1857
01:41:39,120 --> 01:41:42,519
Speaker 1: A C right in a seven game series between this

1858
01:41:42,640 --> 01:41:47,599
Speaker 1: these A C Warriors and that we believe Warriors, if

1859
01:41:47,640 --> 01:41:50,400
Speaker 1: they got Clay and all them, I don't know this

1860
01:41:51,439 --> 01:41:53,680
Speaker 1: this team right now, this team right now, Yeah, we

1861
01:41:53,760 --> 01:41:56,000
Speaker 1: got him. We might be able to get there. No Clay, No, Katie,

1862
01:41:56,040 --> 01:41:57,679
Speaker 1: we got him. A good question. If they ain't got Clay,

1863
01:41:57,720 --> 01:41:59,840
Speaker 1: we the show got him. So no, I'm talking about

1864
01:41:59,880 --> 01:42:02,320
Speaker 1: this eight ceed Warrior. We got them versus the a C.

1865
01:42:02,680 --> 01:42:05,320
Speaker 1: We believe we would trap the step everywhere and then

1866
01:42:05,360 --> 01:42:06,880
Speaker 1: we would just be able to control everybody we got

1867
01:42:06,920 --> 01:42:09,160
Speaker 1: by five people, we can throw us Steff, you're playing

1868
01:42:09,160 --> 01:42:13,519
Speaker 1: in this era now, Yeah we're good. Okay, we step

1869
01:42:14,120 --> 01:42:16,000
Speaker 1: kind of basketball though we shot a bunch of three

1870
01:42:16,040 --> 01:42:19,000
Speaker 1: we started that. All right. That's a great question. Just

1871
01:42:19,040 --> 01:42:20,880
Speaker 1: still they just step. You don't know what Steph gonna do.

1872
01:42:20,960 --> 01:42:23,400
Speaker 1: We gotta when you had Clay to the mix. So yeah,

1873
01:42:23,479 --> 01:42:25,120
Speaker 1: I wouldn't get we ain't got a chance of you

1874
01:42:26,680 --> 01:42:28,439
Speaker 1: and Clay don't. We don't want to go to the game.

1875
01:42:29,320 --> 01:42:32,000
Speaker 1: Had hurt with this. This team would just I like

1876
01:42:32,080 --> 01:42:35,280
Speaker 1: our chance. They got some young sters now that yeah,

1877
01:42:35,439 --> 01:42:37,240
Speaker 1: I'm a fan. I'm talk about this a c right here.

1878
01:42:37,240 --> 01:42:39,160
Speaker 1: No wine, but I know it's not eighth verse eight,

1879
01:42:39,240 --> 01:42:41,880
Speaker 1: eight versus eight. No wines. Gotta get chance. Nobody got

1880
01:42:41,960 --> 01:42:45,200
Speaker 1: a good chance. Okay, I like that. Good question. Well

1881
01:42:45,240 --> 01:42:50,000
Speaker 1: that's a wrap. All the Smoke Trade one Free Van

1882
01:42:50,120 --> 01:42:55,080
Speaker 1: Leathan Oscar Award winners. Congrats again, fellas. You can catch

1883
01:42:55,160 --> 01:42:58,400
Speaker 1: us on Showtime Basketball, YouTube and the Heart platform Black Effects.

1884
01:42:58,479 --> 01:43:00,719
Speaker 1: We'll see you all next week. This is all a Smoke,

1885
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