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Speaker 1: And there's also a dog in the room. We might

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Speaker 1: this is an ambitious episode. This is the first time

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Speaker 1: It's our Yeah, it's our scary Stepford community where we

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Speaker 1: record our podcast. So, Brodie, you when we were asking

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Speaker 1: I'm rooting for both movies equally. Okay, so Jumanji and Jumanji.

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Speaker 1: I've seen exactly two thirds of one of these movies.

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Speaker 1: but it wasn't enough of a twist to justify this.

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00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 1: The people on the big billboards for Dumaji are Jack Black,

421
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 1: The Rock, Kevin Hart, Karen Gillen, and there is a

422
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 1: fifth spot. It's an alligator. Nick Jonas not invited to

423
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:22,960
Speaker 1: the postern. There were separate you got literally gopaced c

424
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:27,639
Speaker 1: g I alligator was like, that is fucking that is

425
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:31,640
Speaker 1: cold blooded, Nick Jonas. Like the first couple of days

426
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:33,879
Speaker 1: it was in the ears and it was like a

427
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 1: genuine surprise for like the whole thing. Jonas. People were

428
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:48,120
Speaker 1: collectively like, uh okay, like a whole it was awesome.

429
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 1: So many people were whispering like wait, who's that Like

430
00:26:52,600 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 1: Nick Jonas was like, oh, doesn't do so anyway, they

431
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:01,679
Speaker 1: you know, they go through all these different levels at

432
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,119
Speaker 1: the game, and there's these bad guys after them, and

433
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:06,959
Speaker 1: there's different obstacles they have to overcome, and then they

434
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:10,680
Speaker 1: finally at the end returned the flubber, the fossilized clubberd

435
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 1: the Jaguar, and then they call out Jumanji and then

436
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 1: they returned back to their normal lives in Brantford, New Hampshire.

437
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 1: Right in Brockton. They literally took the b R. I

438
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 1: really think that that's anyways, and then they meet up

439
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 1: with this kid Alex who is now Colin Hanks, which

440
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:34,439
Speaker 1: I buy. Nick Jonas to Colin Hanks. Well, Nick Jonas

441
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,439
Speaker 1: is the avatar, so none that the avatars looked like

442
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:42,359
Speaker 1: the actual but still but still still but even Metallica

443
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 1: kid kind of looked like Nick Jonath k looks like yeah,

444
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:50,200
Speaker 1: I mean they're all like black haired, white kids. Anyway. Yeah,

445
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 1: so that's pretty much the end of the movie. They're

446
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 1: all like, oh my God. And then there's like a

447
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:57,160
Speaker 1: subplot where Spencer likes Martha and they like each other

448
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,119
Speaker 1: and then they get together at the end kissing, and

449
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 1: there's kissing. Okay, So, um, now do we talk about

450
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 1: all of the women in both movies? I don't know

451
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:14,159
Speaker 1: how to do this. Let's just start with version and

452
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 1: then we'll go from there. I mean, there's what five

453
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 1: between them? Yeah, there's women total, not a ton. Okay,

454
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 1: if we're going Jumanji versus Jumanji, which would you say

455
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 1: has the stronger portrayal of female characters because I I okay, well,

456
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 1: let me talk through this because Okay. So in the

457
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 1: first movie, the main characters are Judy and Sarah Whittle,

458
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 1: and for the most part, there's generally although it's not

459
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 1: totally balanced but sort of equal, like male characters doing

460
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 1: stuff to like save the day or get themselves out

461
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 1: of a sticky situation and female characters doing the same.

462
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,479
Speaker 1: I would say Peter gets several big moments and Judy

463
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 1: gets almost none. Then, of course, like Robby Williams is

464
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 1: like doing stuff all over the place, and then to

465
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 1: a lesser extent, to a lesser extent, Bonnie Hunt's character

466
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 1: Sarah is doing stuff. So I think there's more the

467
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 1: male characters driving the story and kind of saving the day.

468
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 1: But also the female characters aren't necessarily dams old that

469
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 1: much because they're all saving each other right consistently. Even

470
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 1: watching as a kid, I was like, this is an

471
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 1: equal This is a good group. Ain't the team? Yeah,

472
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 1: Like they do function as a team, right, I don't know,

473
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 1: there is Like I agree that like Judy and Sarah,

474
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 1: Like I would have liked to see Judy and Sarah

475
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 1: talk to each other more. There are plenty of opportunities

476
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 1: and they do, Like I get that one of kind

477
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 1: of like one of the stronger themes in the first

478
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 1: year Mondi movie is like, don't pump your young son

479
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 1: full of toxic masculinity, which is kind of cool because

480
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 1: of you know, daddy and the whole thing. So we

481
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 1: see a lot of like Alan and Peter, I think

482
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 1: for that reason, and of like, oh, now Alan's daddy

483
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 1: aged and he's telling a kid to you know, nut

484
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 1: up and then he's like no, I'm sorry. He's like, wait, no,

485
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 1: I don't want to become my dad. Teeny six years

486
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 1: in the jungle, and I still became my daddy because

487
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 1: he's a whole I forgot to at some point because

488
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 1: he tries to cheat and then he turns into a

489
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 1: wolf boy. Yeah, well those are the rules of herma.

490
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 1: I love the wolf Boy. It's really good. My favorite

491
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 1: the part that sticks in my brain the most is

492
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 1: when Alan pulls Peter aside and he just like rips.

493
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,719
Speaker 1: It's such a dumb scene. Judy, it's weird because she's

494
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 1: kind of set up to be kind of like a

495
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 1: more complex of like, oh, she's processing her parents death

496
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 1: in a weird way where the first time we hear

497
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 1: her talking about her parents death, she's like laughing, where

498
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:56,480
Speaker 1: she's like yeah, and it was so much like she's

499
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 1: kind of like being silly about She's also like make

500
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 1: being a lot of ship up about them. She's yeah,

501
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 1: she's like she's got a big imagination and she's just

502
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 1: like lying to strangers about it. Right, She's not, She's

503
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 1: not like the other orphans. She's making fun of her

504
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 1: parents death. I mean that's the kind of anxiet identifying

505
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 1: with its like she's a creative type. Well, there's an

506
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 1: interesting dynamic with that, like brother sister duo, which we

507
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 1: see a similar situation in Jurassic Park, where it's an

508
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 1: older sister, older blonte sister, younger, darker haired brother. And

509
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 1: because I think we can assume the sister is a

510
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 1: little bit older, she's doing more of like I'm going

511
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 1: to protect my younger brother. I'm gonna do more stuff,

512
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take more action. And I thought we were

513
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 1: going to see more of that in this movie as well,

514
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 1: but kind of drops off in the middle. It does. Yeah,

515
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 1: the first challenge that comes out of the game is

516
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 1: the mosquitoes, and in that scene, Peter is like keeled over,

517
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 1: he's hiding, he's scared, he's not doing anything, but um,

518
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 1: Judy like grabs a tennis racket and starts like hitting

519
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 1: the mosquitoes out of the window. So she's active in

520
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 1: that scene, but after that she isn't doing a whole

521
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 1: lot to contribute to the events of the story. But

522
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 1: like I mentioned a moment ago, there's several scenes where

523
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 1: like Peter has this big moment where he either gets

524
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 1: the game back after the pelican took it away, or

525
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 1: he gets rid of van Pelt in the store by

526
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 1: like launching a canoe at him, or he goes and

527
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,719
Speaker 1: gets the axe and then uses it to chop some

528
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 1: spiders away. So he's like doing all these things. It's

529
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 1: like saving people or like having a big redeeming moment,

530
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 1: whereas Judy like doesn't get any moments like that. Really, yeah,

531
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 1: because it's like she's set up as a character who's

532
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 1: like they're the kids are grieving in different ways. It's interesting,

533
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 1: but her art definitely kind of falls off in the middle.

534
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 1: There's one they sort of try to like lazily tie

535
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 1: it up where at one point she's like in Jumanji,

536
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 1: injures her somehow and she's like, hey, you know, and

537
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 1: then like Peter goes over here and she's like, actually, really,

538
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 1: I am sad our parents died. I'm like, wow, you

539
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 1: only had to be assaulted by a board game to

540
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 1: be like, I'm sad our parents are dead, and that's

541
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 1: sort of where she drops off. I feel like the

542
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 1: more interesting choice, and also a better use of the

543
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 1: Sarah character would have been to give them similar moments

544
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 1: of like Robin. I almost get why Robin Williams is

545
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 1: like bonding with Peter more and and all that, because

546
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 1: he's used Peter as himself. But it's like Sarah and

547
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 1: Judy could have had moments like that, you know, we

548
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 1: could have had, you know, maybe a stampede last or something.

549
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 1: By the time we're at the end of the movie

550
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 1: and they see the kids again after the years or whatever,

551
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 1: and then they like, it's like kind of an emotional

552
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 1: moment because they could finally get to see him again.

553
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 1: That part, I'm like, looking at Sarah, I'm just like,

554
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 1: I guess she got to know him, like at parts

555
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 1: we didn't see, you know what I mean in between, Yeah,

556
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 1: like they don't know each other as adults at all.

557
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 1: This movie is also very weird, like chain reaction of

558
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 1: various people triggering other traumas of other characters the whole movie.

559
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 1: Like everyone, like the kids are like dealing with the

560
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 1: recent death of their parents, Robin Williams pops out and

561
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 1: they're like, actually, you have to stay near this thing

562
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 1: that oppressed you for twenty six years, and he's like, rats,

563
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:20,320
Speaker 1: I guess they do. And then they go find Bonnie Hunt.

564
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 1: She women be fainting, passes out. They clearly without her consent,

565
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 1: totoroer to a second location. You know how you're just

566
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 1: taking unconscious person without their permission to a second location.

567
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 1: They bring her to the house and then she is like,

568
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 1: fully like losing it under She's like calling her psychiatrist

569
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 1: was like and it's like it's a weird, like not

570
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 1: very nineties attitude towards women going to therapy of like, oh,

571
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 1: that's kind of like stupid, Like she's kind of crazy. Yeah, yeah,

572
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,799
Speaker 1: like what a you know? She she goes to therapy

573
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 1: because something's wrong with her, and then they're like, you know,

574
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,320
Speaker 1: the most upsetting moment of your life, you have to stay.

575
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 1: And also Sarah's character, I'm like, she, I understand why

576
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 1: Alan is a cartoon character, right, because he's been trapped

577
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:10,800
Speaker 1: in a board game jungle for a quarter century. Sarah,

578
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 1: I don't understand why. She's like, you know what, let's

579
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,919
Speaker 1: involve two random children. She doesn't ask any of the questions. Yeah,

580
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:18,879
Speaker 1: I mean, that would have been a longer movie at

581
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 1: that point. But I I was like, man, there's no

582
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:24,359
Speaker 1: there's no reference to the fact, like these are not

583
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 1: their kids, and well they have to they all have

584
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,319
Speaker 1: to play now because they're all to play a game,

585
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 1: which I guess it's good that the movie requires there

586
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 1: to be two female characters, like the narrative is like, oh, well,

587
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 1: we wrote it this way, so there has to be

588
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,919
Speaker 1: these two women, because a lot of movies don't bother

589
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 1: to require there to be women there, including the majority

590
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 1: of the second Jumanji movie. There's no portrayal of women

591
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 1: in the first Rumanji where I was like, oh, this

592
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 1: is bad, but there's just it just was like all

593
00:35:56,400 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 1: just like under used or missed opportunities, and like, I mean,

594
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:02,800
Speaker 1: you know, I feel that way about most black characters

595
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 1: in movies, so totally. But David Alinger is used a

596
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:11,280
Speaker 1: great effect. He is in every era of this movie.

597
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 1: He's I love I love him when he's making his shoe.

598
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:19,280
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, it's great. Yeah. So the first jumach

599
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 1: I mean it's very of the time. We're in the

600
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,919
Speaker 1: mid nineties. You know, filmmakers weren't like, oh, we got

601
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,399
Speaker 1: to make sure we're servicing our female character as well.

602
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 1: So time I think it does. Okay, it does. Okay, Yeah,

603
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 1: but fast forward to two thousand and seventeen. But every

604
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:37,879
Speaker 1: should we not talking about thetel test with the first

605
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 1: one or should we do it all at once? I

606
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:43,319
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't. Let's what are the rules we're

607
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:46,840
Speaker 1: making this up. Let's do it now. Okay, So the

608
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,879
Speaker 1: first one I think does pass the Betel test. Yes,

609
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 1: I agree. There's a scene where Aunt Nora and then

610
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:56,760
Speaker 1: we learned the real Estates lady's name after she has died,

611
00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:02,280
Speaker 1: after she got bitten by a mosquito. She looks very dead.

612
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:04,879
Speaker 1: She looks dead alive in the New Time one, but

613
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 1: Judy says, isn't that Mrs Thomas the realtor. So we

614
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 1: find out her name and she and Aunt Nora have

615
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 1: a conversation about the house that Mrs Thomas is showing.

616
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 1: Everybody and Judy have a conversation where there was a

617
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 1: one line exchange the past where she wasn't talking about

618
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 1: Derty right wherever right, Yeah, because they're like, oh, I'm

619
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 1: gonna put a bar over here, and she's like that

620
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 1: sounds lovely. You're and your kids are going to be

621
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:33,280
Speaker 1: very happy, and she's like, actually their orphans. It's just like, actually,

622
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 1: your realtor doesn't need to know that, but cool. Judy

623
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:40,959
Speaker 1: and Nora talk a few different one line exchanges between them,

624
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 1: and then Judy and Sarah, but not that much. Well,

625
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 1: there's a scene between Judy and Nora where Judy is like,

626
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:50,239
Speaker 1: we found out why you got this house so cheap.

627
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 1: A child was murdered here, and Aunt Nora's like, I'm

628
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 1: sick and tired of all your lies. You're grounded, and

629
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 1: then she's just like, find there's nothing to do in

630
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 1: this stupid town of Bracton, Massachu sits anyway, and she's right,

631
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 1: and f I I it wasn't alive, but I don't know.

632
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 1: Alan Parrish does get mentioned because she's like, oh Alan

633
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 1: Parish got murdered. Yeah, but there were two lines there, Yeah,

634
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:12,760
Speaker 1: there were Okay, so yeah that I would say passes,

635
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:17,760
Speaker 1: and then later on Judy and Sarah. Judy says what's

636
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 1: going on and then Sarah's Oh, they're right outside that

637
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 1: like discount supermarket store, and Sarah's like, oh, apparently there's

638
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 1: a sale going on. I don't know if that's supposed

639
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:30,840
Speaker 1: to be joked that, but it didn't land for me.

640
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 1: And then some monkeys go by. It was flush. They

641
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 1: are the only characters who know what's happening in the

642
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 1: store first term. Maybe they see just chaos happening and

643
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:48,839
Speaker 1: they're like, it's a sale. It's like, no, it's all

644
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 1: the ship that you unleashed from this game. Anyway. I

645
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 1: think that was some like capitalism humor, like sales are

646
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 1: crazy because people are always shopping. Speaking of there is

647
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 1: well get to that in a second. So um. Then

648
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 1: three monkeys go by on a motorcycle and Sarah says,

649
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 1: did you just see three monkeys go buy on a motorcycle?

650
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,839
Speaker 1: And Ud He's like yes, And then Sarah says, good

651
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 1: girl passes the Bechdel tests. It sure does not tritting

652
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 1: down too. I also think there's commentary, not a deliberate

653
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:20,839
Speaker 1: but it feels as though as a statement is being

654
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 1: made retroactively, where whenever Van Pelt goes to try to

655
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:29,720
Speaker 1: buy a gun in the store, in the gun shop,

656
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 1: he's like, I need to acquire a new firearm and

657
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:35,800
Speaker 1: the guy's like, oh, well, there's a waiting period, and

658
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 1: you're going to have to fill out some forms. And

659
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 1: then Van Pelt dumps a bunch of like ancient coins

660
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 1: in front of the guy and he's like, or I

661
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 1: could fill these out, And then they gave him this

662
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 1: like insane assault rifle right away. And I feel like

663
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:50,839
Speaker 1: that's a commentary on how easy it is to get

664
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:54,319
Speaker 1: very dangerous weapons in this country. I think it's a

665
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 1: commentary then even maybe mean to make right like that

666
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 1: might have just been like this is how it is,

667
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 1: because this is from the same director who directed Honey,

668
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 1: I Shrunk the Kids and Captain America The First Avenger. Interesting,

669
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,839
Speaker 1: a long, illustrious career, he's had interesting good for him,

670
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 1: white guy, if you can believe it, I can't. Yeah, directed,

671
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 1: but he started a lot of good movies. Does it

672
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:22,319
Speaker 1: pass the factual test if it's baby and you worth

673
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 1: screaming at monkeys? Um, yes, I'm going to say the

674
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 1: monkeys are screaming On that one. Monkeys are screaming, and

675
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 1: they could be talking about men, right, The monkeys are

676
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 1: certainly talking about they could be m r. Monkey. We

677
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 1: don't know. You're right, You're right, you're right. That was

678
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:43,399
Speaker 1: just a question I had, sure I appreciate the tough

679
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 1: questions you're asking. Thank you. Oh another thought on the

680
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 1: first one, what if this is the prequel to Flubber,

681
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:53,799
Speaker 1: because then pan theory, okay, phan theory. We see them,

682
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 1: they're married, my hunt Rob Williams at the end, and

683
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 1: they're like, we rescued your parents. Weird joke at the

684
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 1: end of like we're gonna save your parents from dying. Hilarious.

685
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 1: I actually thought that was like, but then we don't know,

686
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:07,320
Speaker 1: we don't know what like Alan does for a living,

687
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:11,360
Speaker 1: do we does he say he needs he needs their

688
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 1: dad's like marketing expertise for flubber, for flubbers, okay, ship Okay,

689
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 1: so cheesy. It's so supposed to be, like they need

690
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:34,760
Speaker 1: to be marketing this new consumer product flubber. Also, flabber

691
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 1: does not hold up. I've never seen a flubber. That's fine,

692
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:46,319
Speaker 1: I haven't. I haven't seen flubber in at least ten years. Well, yeah,

693
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 1: please don't mention flabber in my presence. Just have been

694
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 1: triggered by a mention of flabber. Both this Jumanji and

695
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 1: the two seventeen Jumanji have several cats. There's a lion

696
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 1: in the first one. There's some jaguars in the second one,

697
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:08,720
Speaker 1: and I just want to take this opportunity. No, but cats,

698
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 1: cats do have eight nipples. This has been cat Facts

699
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 1: with Caitlin Juma. Would I don't know if Alfre Millonnette

700
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 1: could he could be in Jemagic, I think he could be.

701
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 1: He could have been daddy. I think he would be.

702
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 1: He would have been a great daddy. I think he

703
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 1: would have been a good van in the new one, Oh,

704
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 1: he would have. He would have been a good daddy

705
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 1: there too. Even though Van Pell doesn't like daddy like

706
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:36,360
Speaker 1: he's given those vibes. He's like a lot of daddy

707
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 1: daddy heavy. There's I mean, like both of these movies

708
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 1: kind of have these overarching themes of like what does

709
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 1: it mean to be a man? What is a real man? Like?

710
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 1: That's because it's written by a bunch of frothy dudes. Well,

711
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 1: that's one of the things I wanted to mention in

712
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 1: the first movie. So Alan's mother is present and there.

713
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:02,840
Speaker 1: But if there's a dad and a son, usually in

714
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 1: movies only that relationship gets explored like the father son relationship,

715
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 1: and the mother is often totally sidelined or just like

716
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 1: not even bothered to be written into the scenes insanely

717
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 1: so where in this movie. I don't even think the

718
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:22,280
Speaker 1: mom finishes a sentence successfully one time, where Daddy's always like, actually,

719
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 1: you dumb bitch, get in the car. Like it's just like,

720
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 1: oh no, we don't know what her name is, we

721
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 1: don't know anything, right, So yeah, that was there could

722
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 1: have been an opportunity for, you know, some mother son

723
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 1: relationship exploration. But of course Monte was written by the

724
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 1: same author as The Polar Express. Chris van Alsberg is

725
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:46,799
Speaker 1: addicted to sounds that children can hear the adults can't.

726
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 1: He's recycling material. Lazy, stupid, hot ache, Chris, Kiss my ass?

727
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 1: Is he still alive? He's still alive. Kiss my ass.

728
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:01,280
Speaker 1: I'll fight you. Is there anything another last thing about

729
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 1: the first movie? Um, Sarah tries to surprise kiss Alan

730
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:09,319
Speaker 1: when they are adults. She just trying to surprise kiss him. Well,

731
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:12,759
Speaker 1: she leans in for a kiss and rejects her. I

732
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:15,240
Speaker 1: would say that's not a surprise, okay. I'd say that

733
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:17,919
Speaker 1: she made an offer and he made a refusal, and

734
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 1: she accepted that decision. She didn't Brendan Fraser and the

735
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:24,959
Speaker 1: Mummy lungeon through a cage. But then they do share

736
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 1: a kiss at the end when they're both like twelve,

737
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 1: and she's like, I want to do something before I

738
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 1: feel like too much of a kid. That's weird, and

739
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 1: then she kisses him and he's all, that's yeah, but yeah.

740
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:45,439
Speaker 1: So then they do share a kiss, and uh, it's fine.

741
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, it's obviously the first movie

742
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 1: is very white and HEATERO. There's a lot. It's very

743
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 1: I think four it does, it does all right, and

744
00:44:55,960 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 1: it's a fun movie. It's a fun movie. Do we

745
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 1: move on to the second one? I let's do it, okay,

746
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 1: I mean this movie said one's wild an interesting precedent

747
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:12,320
Speaker 1: where one of the so there are two female characters

748
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:15,240
Speaker 1: and two male characters in this movie. There's a Spenser

749
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 1: and Fridge, and there's Bethany and Martha. But as soon

750
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 1: as they turn into their avatars, which are the characters

751
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 1: we see for the most part in the movie on screen,

752
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 1: turns into three men and one woman. So Martha she

753
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:32,879
Speaker 1: gets into Ruby Roundhouse's avatar body, so she stays as

754
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:35,840
Speaker 1: a woman. But Bethany ends up and she comes to

755
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:39,320
Speaker 1: Jack Flag and then there's that beautiful line rate of

756
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:43,240
Speaker 1: I'm an overweight middle aged man, Jack Black says, basically

757
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 1: looking to camera, which when you realize that it's you know,

758
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:51,320
Speaker 1: Bethany the one saying, and she's fat shaming herself. That

759
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 1: her avatar because she's she is, but she's also stating effect,

760
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 1: which is that Jack is an overweight, middle aged man.

761
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 1: And I mean he's kind of fat shaming himself. Yeah,

762
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 1: I mean as an actor. But right, there's a lot

763
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:10,400
Speaker 1: of metasta. It's very meta, and that's the world we

764
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 1: live into as an eighteen seventeen is a meta year.

765
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:16,799
Speaker 1: Well what's even crazier than that, to me is the

766
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 1: fact that so she is now in a male body.

767
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:22,399
Speaker 1: There's that whole scene where she has to pee. That's

768
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 1: the scene where she says, come look at my dick, Martha,

769
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 1: No thanks past the Bechtel test. I okay, this I

770
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 1: don't know. This is our age old thing. Because when

771
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:34,799
Speaker 1: we talked about this before, because a lot of people

772
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 1: were asking us about this, if whenever Jack Black's character,

773
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:43,799
Speaker 1: who is effectively a female character, talked to Martha, does

774
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 1: that pass the Bechtel test? And I think we concluded

775
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 1: that no, because the representation is still of a man

776
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 1: on screen, But then why don't get through a second time?

777
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 1: I'm now like I'm willing to see either way. When

778
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 1: I when I didn't watch the whole movie for some like,

779
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 1: there were a few scenes between those two characters that

780
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:04,319
Speaker 1: I didn't see the first time, and then I was like,

781
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 1: but there there were some scenes between those two characters

782
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:09,279
Speaker 1: that I did not, like, like let me teach you

783
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 1: how to be sexy instead of using the skills that

784
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 1: we know you have, like ship, Like that was like, Okay,

785
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:20,719
Speaker 1: this movie is written by four dudes. But there was

786
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 1: like other scenes where they were like getting to know

787
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:24,799
Speaker 1: each other and like getting to understand each other. And

788
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:28,959
Speaker 1: it's weird because like the four teenage characters are all

789
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:31,840
Speaker 1: badly written of like there's no shades of gray in

790
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 1: terms of like nude Jack, weird girl, hot girl, and

791
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 1: so it's like all these like kind of badly written

792
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 1: characters getting a deeper understanding of badly written characters in

793
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:47,280
Speaker 1: different bodies. It's just but there was like that scene

794
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 1: between Jack Black and Karen Gillen when they're like in

795
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 1: the jungle and Jack Black is kind of like you

796
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:55,840
Speaker 1: know you're I thought you know they were like, we

797
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:58,880
Speaker 1: thought we hated each other, but actually we didn't, and

798
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 1: that's good. That's like kind of a stronger like female

799
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 1: friendship then was formed in the first movie, right, So

800
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 1: it's so it's a mind fuck. Yeah, I'm in the

801
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:14,360
Speaker 1: camp of I still think that the character is still

802
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 1: that girl, So I think that it does pass it.

803
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 1: It doesn't change the fact that it's still an on

804
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 1: screen representation of a man playing woman's character, which is essentially,

805
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know what the it's like a

806
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 1: cheat code, like the Hollywood cheat code totally is, but

807
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 1: it's played for laughs and in a more like equal worlds,

808
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:42,400
Speaker 1: then it would be cool it was the opposite maybe

809
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 1: then maybe, well that's okay. That's that's what I was

810
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:47,759
Speaker 1: trying to grapple with because I was like, okay, well,

811
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 1: we have a teenage girl character ending up in a

812
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 1: male avatar body, which takes away one of the female

813
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 1: characters that we see representation of on screen. Couldn't we

814
00:48:56,800 --> 00:49:00,799
Speaker 1: then also have one of the male teens end up

815
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:03,400
Speaker 1: in a female avatar body, because that would even not

816
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 1: the representation. But then I was like, well, what are

817
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 1: the implications of that, because as a horny teen boy

818
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 1: who if it's a movie, he's probably hetero, because you know,

819
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:16,879
Speaker 1: movies be very hetero. He would probably be like, oh,

820
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna basically I don't know, assault my own poppy, Like,

821
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 1: I don't like that could have happened. It didn't have

822
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 1: to happen if it if that is how the story went,

823
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 1: I'm I mean, if you gave Jack Black enough time,

824
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:39,320
Speaker 1: he would jerk because even says goodbye, or she Bethany

825
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 1: says goodbye to her penis at the end. She's like

826
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 1: that little dude, I say good night to my bye bye.

827
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 1: There's I don't I don't know, so I something I

828
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 1: thought was weird was like three of the characters when

829
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 1: they're put into the video game are put why like

830
00:49:57,200 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 1: everyone's out of their element physically, but they are all

831
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:04,919
Speaker 1: in different bodies if we're to be fair. But but

832
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:08,360
Speaker 1: the protagonist, Spencer is put in a body with no

833
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:12,879
Speaker 1: disadvantages or any like, is at no point like it's

834
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:16,240
Speaker 1: different and it's uncomfortable because it's different. But in terms

835
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:22,399
Speaker 1: of like skills, weaknesses, none like hot, strong, He's really

836
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 1: not at a physical disadvantage, where in theory he upgrades

837
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:30,919
Speaker 1: right and then everyone else is like challenged by their

838
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 1: new fleshy prison of like Fridge is suddenly small and

839
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:40,400
Speaker 1: not as strong and like you know that well, I

840
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 1: guess it's like a well with math Suddenly I would

841
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:49,800
Speaker 1: say that's true. But like considering that, like the Jumanji

842
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:52,319
Speaker 1: methos is like it's it has to be such a

843
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:54,919
Speaker 1: team dynamic when you think about I mean like being

844
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 1: like hot and strong and like all that stuff is sick,

845
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:00,200
Speaker 1: but really those are all like physical things ing so

846
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 1: it comes to like if I got to read a

847
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 1: map or if I got to figure out what poisonous is,

848
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:06,799
Speaker 1: it's like he doesn't. Those are his weaknesses, is that

849
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:08,840
Speaker 1: he needs to rely on those people. I mean, like

850
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 1: that would be cool. If his weakness is like has

851
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 1: to rely on people dependent depend that would be my

852
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 1: video game weakness, good at walking long distances, And I

853
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 1: like that how efficiently they You saw those things as

854
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:35,759
Speaker 1: jokes like eats cake, wasn't it? I like burst out

855
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 1: laughing because I thought that he was just like I

856
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:41,880
Speaker 1: didn't know where that joke was going, and he literally

857
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 1: I like totally saw coming. But then he's just it

858
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 1: just happened. The whole style of this movie is completely

859
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 1: different because it's just this like it takes place in

860
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 1: a video game, so these bigger things can happen, and

861
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:57,279
Speaker 1: it sets up that the characters do have lives and

862
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:00,319
Speaker 1: die like multiple times before it's like, oh the last

863
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 1: one or whatever. It is thrilling in a way that

864
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 1: like it really does remove a lot of the danger,

865
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 1: but it just throws a jokes in and some silly,

866
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 1: silly death. The rock flag is shoved off a cliff,

867
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 1: Kevin Hard explodes, Jack By, It's eaten by a hip,

868
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 1: like lots of really violently. It's a funny movie. I really,

869
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 1: it's a it's a fun but but like on a

870
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 1: on a discourse level, it is like what another thing is.

871
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 1: So we talked about this in the lot of Croft

872
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:40,759
Speaker 1: tomb Raider episode where Karen Gillen's outfit is. We can

873
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 1: assume the movie commenting on how unreasonable like female video

874
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 1: game characters present and how they're dressed and all that stuff.

875
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 1: But again, I feel like that is the movie in

876
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:54,279
Speaker 1: the same way that it's like we're making jokes and

877
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:57,320
Speaker 1: acknowledging that Jack Blank is taking up the space of

878
00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:01,239
Speaker 1: a female character, the way that Karen Gillen's dressed for

879
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:03,400
Speaker 1: the entirety of this movie is the movie trying to

880
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:05,160
Speaker 1: like have its cake and eat it too, where it's

881
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 1: like we're going to acknowledge that this is like weird

882
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 1: and it is sort of colm it's but it's challenged,

883
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:16,919
Speaker 1: it's just acknowledged. It's like mainstream feminism where people think

884
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 1: that what people want from feminism is that like, oh,

885
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:21,439
Speaker 1: I'm a woman and I can be sexy, and it's

886
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:23,839
Speaker 1: just like there's a lot of screen time to vote

887
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 1: it to just be confident girl the whole Yeah, that

888
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 1: that was like the main source of like the female characters,

889
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:32,879
Speaker 1: like aside from the mind funk of Jack Black, which

890
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 1: I just don't know that we'll get to the bottom

891
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 1: of that. Maybe it'll just years and time and book

892
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:42,880
Speaker 1: papers will need to be written about this decision that

893
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:47,520
Speaker 1: was made. But when Bethany and Martha basically Bethany hot

894
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 1: Instagram girl is teaching Martha who verbally abused as a

895
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:57,759
Speaker 1: gym teacher and is like deified for it. Uh, She's like,

896
00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:00,120
Speaker 1: I don't like sports and I hate Jim teacher is

897
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:06,600
Speaker 1: and then the gym teachers like cried that night. But sure,

898
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:09,360
Speaker 1: but so but then there's that scene where like, I

899
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:14,359
Speaker 1: guess it's like Martha has to distract some male characters

900
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:20,400
Speaker 1: and we already know she is two male characters. We

901
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:23,279
Speaker 1: know that she is a karate master. They do throw

902
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:27,239
Speaker 1: in that weird dance thing where then the second I

903
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:28,799
Speaker 1: saw that, I'm like, that's the only thing we're going

904
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:30,680
Speaker 1: to get to see her do is the sexy thing,

905
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:32,359
Speaker 1: or that'll be the thing we see her do the most.

906
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:36,239
Speaker 1: And that's exactly what happened. Where the whole team for

907
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:38,879
Speaker 1: they're usually a good team, but there's this one moment

908
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:40,799
Speaker 1: where they're all like, Martha, you have to go be

909
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:43,960
Speaker 1: hot at those men and if you don't want to,

910
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 1: you can do it. We've never taken on that. I mean,

911
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 1: guys at once. It's two guys there, the rock is

912
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 1: right there. They're like, it's there were so many options

913
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 1: and none are acknowledged. Weird choice it was. There's there's

914
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:06,480
Speaker 1: a very very long scene where Bethany is Jack Black

915
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 1: teaches and that's I think I played for a lot

916
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:11,640
Speaker 1: of jokes to it because it's, you know, Jack Black

917
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 1: pretending to be this like teen Instagram model teaching her

918
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:18,600
Speaker 1: how to be, teaching her how to be desirable to

919
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:21,880
Speaker 1: a man, and Martha is not good at that, so

920
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 1: she doesn't successfully seduce them or distract them. Really, she

921
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 1: only accomplishes what she set out to do, which is

922
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:31,799
Speaker 1: to you know, distract them or whatever, defeat them by

923
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 1: actually utilizing her skills and her strengths and fights. The

924
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:40,680
Speaker 1: fighting bas dances I feel like dances, but well, I

925
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:43,080
Speaker 1: don't know. I think there's a decent length scene where

926
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:46,960
Speaker 1: she is fighting three minutes to beat up to and

927
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:49,799
Speaker 1: then and they were constantly like through a little things

928
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:51,879
Speaker 1: where a male character would come out and be like, oh,

929
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 1: it looks like you got this. Did I see that

930
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 1: during the rock scene? No, no, yeah, the fighting was

931
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:02,719
Speaker 1: SEXI or there were moments where she's like, you know,

932
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 1: kind of scrappy and like actually felt tough and felt

933
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:09,240
Speaker 1: like she was actually fighting and not being all objected

934
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 1: by female action moves, which is which is a style

935
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:15,440
Speaker 1: of like there's always that move where the woman like

936
00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:18,200
Speaker 1: jumps in like attaches their crutch to a guy's face

937
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:20,880
Speaker 1: and then flips him down. I'm just like, does that

938
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 1: need to be in every movie? And like what do

939
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:27,560
Speaker 1: I feel like the way she's she fights, this kind

940
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:30,239
Speaker 1: of is kind of sexualized in a video gaming kind

941
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:33,800
Speaker 1: of way. They make her dance before she fights, They

942
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:37,200
Speaker 1: make her do this long goofy improv exercise. It just

943
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:38,880
Speaker 1: looked like an improv one on one class of a

944
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:43,240
Speaker 1: woman being forced to like goofully squish her breast together

945
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:47,000
Speaker 1: to make you know. She called their manager after that.

946
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:50,760
Speaker 1: I'm really yeah, I'm really UCB two oh one ship

947
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 1: going on in this scene, and I just like, you

948
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:57,600
Speaker 1: can cut that scene and the movie isn't different. You

949
00:56:57,600 --> 00:56:59,920
Speaker 1: can have her fight in that scene, and it's it's

950
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:03,200
Speaker 1: just that was that was some real, like mainstream movie

951
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:05,879
Speaker 1: ship that didn't need to be there. And I would

952
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:10,440
Speaker 1: argue that there's no part of that scene that is good,

953
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:15,080
Speaker 1: just a bad, bad five minute chunk in and otherwise

954
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:17,640
Speaker 1: pretty fun. I mean, how I think that it should

955
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:19,640
Speaker 1: have gone is because they do need to get into

956
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 1: the transportation shed and there are those dudes guarding it.

957
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:24,439
Speaker 1: So I feel like it could have been the Rock

958
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:31,280
Speaker 1: and Ruby, whose skills are fighting and physical strength, so

959
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 1: they should have approached the two guards like fought them

960
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:37,240
Speaker 1: in like hand to hand combat while the other three

961
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 1: sneak into the shed and like get the helicopter like

962
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:42,720
Speaker 1: it didn't. It didn't need to be just her, it

963
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:45,000
Speaker 1: didn't need from knocking the guards out, could have been

964
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:47,920
Speaker 1: like ten seconds caught away just like well we did

965
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 1: it now, or if they wanted to go into that

966
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:54,240
Speaker 1: storyline that badly. A choice that could have been made

967
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:59,160
Speaker 1: that doesn't end with like and conventional hotness saves the

968
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:03,640
Speaker 1: day is that if everyone is like, hey, go do this,

969
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:06,400
Speaker 1: Go be hot at these guys and distract them, and

970
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:10,200
Speaker 1: then we see her decide not to and you know,

971
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 1: show her skills instead, and then they all have to

972
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:16,040
Speaker 1: be like, well, maybe we shouldn't have said that. Yeah,

973
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:19,800
Speaker 1: that would have been pretty cool. Actually. Yeah. It's like

974
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:22,680
Speaker 1: if like they did the Jack Black training thing and

975
00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:25,040
Speaker 1: it's like, you know what, this is stupid, I guess,

976
00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 1: and yeah, I'm just gonna punch them in the face. Right,

977
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:31,560
Speaker 1: we can have the dry black improv scene. You know,

978
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:34,560
Speaker 1: you got this girl and ship, Yeah, and then and

979
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:36,800
Speaker 1: then as long as the takeaway is like, but that's

980
00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 1: not how you would actually resolve a problem. But I

981
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:45,760
Speaker 1: feel like that doesn't fully come across right. Hated that, Yeah,

982
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:48,120
Speaker 1: that scene could have that whole sequence could have been

983
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:51,640
Speaker 1: handled in a much more empowering way for Martha hated it.

984
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:56,120
Speaker 1: There is a moment I think shortly before that, where

985
00:58:56,400 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 1: Spencer is consulting with Fridge and he's all like, I really,

986
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:03,480
Speaker 1: I'm really into Martha. I don't know what to do

987
00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:05,920
Speaker 1: about it. And I think Fridge is like, well, she

988
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:09,240
Speaker 1: likes you, but like she's into you, and then Fridge

989
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:13,120
Speaker 1: foxdge Fridge Fox, that's been clear to us very early.

990
00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:18,800
Speaker 1: One half half the cast Fox Um the Rock says

991
00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:21,600
Speaker 1: what if she tries to kiss me? And then Kevin

992
00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:24,800
Speaker 1: Hart says, then just kiss her back man, And then

993
00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:29,360
Speaker 1: Rock says, what if she tries to kiss me without warning? Oh?

994
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:35,760
Speaker 1: You mean a surprise, kid. What I'm going to say

995
00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:38,640
Speaker 1: is just ask for consent everyone. If you want to

996
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:41,040
Speaker 1: kiss someone, just you know, check in with them and

997
00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:45,680
Speaker 1: see if it's okay. Anyway, good point, Thank you so much.

998
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:50,040
Speaker 1: Um Yeah, i'd uh, this is so weird. I don't know.

999
00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:52,480
Speaker 1: And then Nick Jones shows up and it's like, you know,

1000
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:54,360
Speaker 1: apparently I'm the only person in the world who was like,

1001
00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:59,200
Speaker 1: love it, keep him, he belongs here. You spend a

1002
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:02,120
Speaker 1: lot of time with like the casts, who in their

1003
01:00:02,120 --> 01:00:05,480
Speaker 1: own right are like well sort of defined characters in

1004
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:08,200
Speaker 1: like a comic way even, and then Nick comes along

1005
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:10,200
Speaker 1: and he's just like, well, here I am. He just

1006
01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:14,400
Speaker 1: makes a bunch of jokes about that's literally all he does.

1007
01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:16,960
Speaker 1: There's also a moment where he's like getting introduced to

1008
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:19,479
Speaker 1: all of them, and then they point to Jack Black

1009
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:21,680
Speaker 1: and they're like, this is Bethany and he's like, you're

1010
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:27,080
Speaker 1: a girl and she's like woman, yeah, and then Fridge says,

1011
01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:28,960
Speaker 1: in real life, you'd probably want to hit that, and

1012
01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:31,640
Speaker 1: it's like okay, So like there was a split second

1013
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:33,840
Speaker 1: where she was like feeling in power and she's like

1014
01:00:33,880 --> 01:00:37,680
Speaker 1: I'm not a girl, and then woman like, oh, but

1015
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:40,240
Speaker 1: you want to fuck her for sure. By feminist icon

1016
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:44,320
Speaker 1: Kevin harn I think at the end of the day,

1017
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:47,320
Speaker 1: you know, you can make the argument that Jack Black's

1018
01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:53,080
Speaker 1: character is is of woman because that's just an avatar

1019
01:00:53,640 --> 01:00:56,960
Speaker 1: that a female character is playing the game as. But

1020
01:00:57,040 --> 01:00:58,880
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, you still the on

1021
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:03,120
Speaker 1: screen representation and is basically four dudes and one woman,

1022
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:07,120
Speaker 1: because between the Rock, Kevin Hart, Jack Black, Nick Jonas,

1023
01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:10,920
Speaker 1: that's four dudes to the one woman figure that you

1024
01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:14,080
Speaker 1: see on screen, right, So it's not I mean that

1025
01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:17,520
Speaker 1: means that if a woman had gone into another female

1026
01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:21,200
Speaker 1: avatar body, that means that that actress would have been

1027
01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:25,240
Speaker 1: paid for that role, but instead Jack Black is the

1028
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:28,280
Speaker 1: person who got that. It sucks because it's like, I

1029
01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:31,439
Speaker 1: love Jack Black. I think he does a good job

1030
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:33,720
Speaker 1: with what he's given, feeling that that was the choice.

1031
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:36,560
Speaker 1: I think he's and you usually hate Jack Black. I really,

1032
01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:37,840
Speaker 1: I really like Jack Like, I think he does a

1033
01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:40,680
Speaker 1: good job in this movie. But yeah, it's like this

1034
01:01:40,720 --> 01:01:43,200
Speaker 1: movie tries to have its cake and eat it too,

1035
01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:45,280
Speaker 1: in a way that I think will probably be a

1036
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:49,680
Speaker 1: continuing trend in mainstream movies where they will try, you know,

1037
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:53,200
Speaker 1: attempt to represent any sort of movement or progress while

1038
01:01:53,240 --> 01:01:57,080
Speaker 1: basically keeping things the same exact way. Um, I think

1039
01:01:57,080 --> 01:02:02,400
Speaker 1: this is a weirdly egregious example of that and kind

1040
01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:05,040
Speaker 1: of a wide swing on the part of this movie.

1041
01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:07,880
Speaker 1: I think it works in the plot, but it doesn't

1042
01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:10,640
Speaker 1: bode well for the world. Yeah, it works in a

1043
01:02:10,680 --> 01:02:13,880
Speaker 1: popcorn way, but I mean, like even side characters. I

1044
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:21,360
Speaker 1: mean Restarvey's character could be a woman. Yeah, there's tons

1045
01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:24,520
Speaker 1: of Yeah, it's we do see two moms, we see

1046
01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:27,880
Speaker 1: Spencer's mom, and we do see three female teachers. Oh

1047
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:30,880
Speaker 1: that's right, yeah, yeah, we none of them are given

1048
01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:34,480
Speaker 1: names that I noticed the same, but they're they're gym teachers,

1049
01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:38,120
Speaker 1: a woman. The teacher who yells at Bethany for face

1050
01:02:38,160 --> 01:02:41,360
Speaker 1: timing during classes of women, and then the teacher who

1051
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:44,960
Speaker 1: catches Spencer and Fridge cheating is a woman. So there,

1052
01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:49,640
Speaker 1: this is no excuse. And then also it's tricky of

1053
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:53,760
Speaker 1: like to say, like, oh, Martha and Bethany are like

1054
01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:58,240
Speaker 1: our trope characters, major league troope characters, but so are

1055
01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:01,200
Speaker 1: Spencer and Fridge. You good, You're just like characters are

1056
01:03:01,240 --> 01:03:04,840
Speaker 1: not very well And I think, like narratively that almost

1057
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:07,600
Speaker 1: makes sense because you have to have pretty simple characters.

1058
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:10,480
Speaker 1: There's so much expositions movie right where it's like, if

1059
01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:13,320
Speaker 1: you're going to you can't put an extremely complicated four

1060
01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:17,040
Speaker 1: extremely complicated characters into four different bodies and then have

1061
01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:19,600
Speaker 1: them get to know each other. And so I don't know,

1062
01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:22,760
Speaker 1: this movie is weird. Yeah, Like I see a lot

1063
01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:26,280
Speaker 1: of meta trends like that in like big blockbuster movie

1064
01:03:26,320 --> 01:03:28,640
Speaker 1: these days. Like my favorite movie from last year was

1065
01:03:28,680 --> 01:03:33,600
Speaker 1: Power Interest Power Interests. Wow, hot take and the same

1066
01:03:33,640 --> 01:03:37,160
Speaker 1: thing of like like some subversions like they have like

1067
01:03:37,160 --> 01:03:39,800
Speaker 1: a kid with Asperger's and stuff. But then like it's

1068
01:03:39,880 --> 01:03:42,520
Speaker 1: very much like I'm an angry lesbian or like I'm

1069
01:03:42,560 --> 01:03:47,960
Speaker 1: a I'm a jock who is dad fucking doesn't understand right,

1070
01:03:48,040 --> 01:03:51,600
Speaker 1: But it's still like it does work. I know, it's

1071
01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:53,600
Speaker 1: like for the movie, it works, but it's like it's

1072
01:03:55,680 --> 01:03:58,400
Speaker 1: it's confusing. This movie is confusing, And now I feel

1073
01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:00,120
Speaker 1: like I can fully understand why so many of our

1074
01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:03,480
Speaker 1: listeners were like, I'm struggling with Jumanji. Yeah, but it's

1075
01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:06,480
Speaker 1: it is nice to see even though they're stereotypes, they

1076
01:04:06,520 --> 01:04:09,880
Speaker 1: don't like treat each other super shittily, and they do

1077
01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:11,840
Speaker 1: solve problems in a way that I feel like it

1078
01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:14,120
Speaker 1: is like modern and like we're going to like get

1079
01:04:14,160 --> 01:04:16,840
Speaker 1: to the root if your emotional issue and then try

1080
01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:20,160
Speaker 1: to fix it this way. So it's like it oddly

1081
01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:23,120
Speaker 1: shows progress on the first movie just because it took place,

1082
01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:26,440
Speaker 1: you know, twenty years after, but I mean not like

1083
01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:29,280
Speaker 1: consciously it wasn't liked, yeah, where it's like trying to

1084
01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:32,280
Speaker 1: make a statement or like the male relationship definitely still

1085
01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:38,400
Speaker 1: takes precedence over the female friendship, but less so in

1086
01:04:38,440 --> 01:04:42,400
Speaker 1: the second movie. We at least see uh, friendship I

1087
01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:44,600
Speaker 1: think start to develop between them, and then it's kind

1088
01:04:44,600 --> 01:04:47,760
Speaker 1: of sold out later on. But there was that good

1089
01:04:47,800 --> 01:04:51,120
Speaker 1: scene that I like between Karen Gillen and Jack Black

1090
01:04:51,160 --> 01:04:53,000
Speaker 1: where they're like, we don't have to hate each other

1091
01:04:53,200 --> 01:04:55,320
Speaker 1: where it is normally assumed there's two teenage girls in

1092
01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:57,760
Speaker 1: a movie they hate each other or they're fighting over

1093
01:04:57,800 --> 01:05:00,520
Speaker 1: a boy or and that doesn't happen here, and that's nice,

1094
01:05:00,560 --> 01:05:03,120
Speaker 1: and they state that pretty explicitly. That's good because as

1095
01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:05,600
Speaker 1: I mean, as opposed to in the first Trumanji where

1096
01:05:05,640 --> 01:05:11,800
Speaker 1: it's like there's a sale. Good girl is very cool. Yeah,

1097
01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:14,800
Speaker 1: So the second Jumanji movie is just you have to

1098
01:05:14,840 --> 01:05:18,640
Speaker 1: watch it. It's it's a wild movie, but it works.

1099
01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:20,320
Speaker 1: I wonder if this will be one of those movies

1100
01:05:20,360 --> 01:05:23,120
Speaker 1: it just gets forgotten and no one talks about it

1101
01:05:23,160 --> 01:05:24,600
Speaker 1: in a couple of years ago, or do you think

1102
01:05:24,600 --> 01:05:27,439
Speaker 1: it's gonna remember it but they will still talk about

1103
01:05:27,480 --> 01:05:31,920
Speaker 1: it as a joke. Was I mean, how commercially successful

1104
01:05:32,320 --> 01:05:35,960
Speaker 1: was this Jumanji movie? Oh? Oh ship, Okay, you know what?

1105
01:05:37,960 --> 01:05:45,800
Speaker 1: Almost made a billion dollars? Yeah total, But like, holy

1106
01:05:45,880 --> 01:05:48,520
Speaker 1: sh it, this move been so much money that I

1107
01:05:48,640 --> 01:05:51,160
Speaker 1: just had, like my blood pressure just rose at seeing

1108
01:05:51,160 --> 01:05:54,200
Speaker 1: how much money to the Jungle. It's the type of

1109
01:05:54,200 --> 01:05:58,680
Speaker 1: movie that's gonna like crush in international markets. And it

1110
01:05:58,760 --> 01:06:01,840
Speaker 1: was in theaters for like every a million years. It

1111
01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:06,600
Speaker 1: was in Oh my god, this movie made so much money.

1112
01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:09,440
Speaker 1: That's crazy that they wouldn't put Nick Jonas on the poster.

1113
01:06:10,520 --> 01:06:15,200
Speaker 1: That's so violent of them to do. Oh, Nick Jonas,

1114
01:06:15,240 --> 01:06:18,480
Speaker 1: you know he doesn't have an acting career ahead of them.

1115
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:21,440
Speaker 1: Tell you what, He's just got a rich career crushing

1116
01:06:21,480 --> 01:06:26,120
Speaker 1: pussy forever. Listen. Nick Jonas is gonna be fucking for

1117
01:06:26,200 --> 01:06:29,480
Speaker 1: a long time. He's Oh God, I used to I'm

1118
01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:33,920
Speaker 1: hot bragg a Jonas related bragg. My best friend, one

1119
01:06:33,920 --> 01:06:36,160
Speaker 1: of my best friends growing up, Lois was really into

1120
01:06:36,200 --> 01:06:40,240
Speaker 1: the Jonas Brothers. That's brag number one. She would drag

1121
01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:42,600
Speaker 1: me to Jonas Brothers concerts, even though it was more

1122
01:06:42,680 --> 01:06:45,400
Speaker 1: of a bread eye s girl myself. That's brag number two.

1123
01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:50,880
Speaker 1: But I would go because I didn't have any other friends.

1124
01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:54,720
Speaker 1: That's brag number three. And so there's one Jonas Brothers

1125
01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:58,080
Speaker 1: concert in two thousand and seven. I think we're like

1126
01:06:58,120 --> 01:07:02,040
Speaker 1: freshman in high school and they were filming a music video.

1127
01:07:02,120 --> 01:07:05,000
Speaker 1: So if you look at listener challenge. If you go

1128
01:07:05,120 --> 01:07:07,440
Speaker 1: to the music video for when You Look Me in

1129
01:07:07,480 --> 01:07:10,320
Speaker 1: the Eyes two thousand seven, you can see me in

1130
01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:14,080
Speaker 1: the background looking very bored and the Jonah's Brother's concerts,

1131
01:07:14,560 --> 01:07:17,280
Speaker 1: it is clearly me. I look the same as I

1132
01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:21,360
Speaker 1: did when I was fourteen. Huge brag, huge brags. Sorry

1133
01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:25,160
Speaker 1: about it, but you know people have to know, so congratulations.

1134
01:07:25,200 --> 01:07:28,160
Speaker 1: I'll put it on the Twitter. Yea, please it? Does

1135
01:07:28,200 --> 01:07:30,920
Speaker 1: anyone have any other thoughts about either of the juman Jees.

1136
01:07:31,560 --> 01:07:35,480
Speaker 1: I love any movie that cooked into like saying the

1137
01:07:36,080 --> 01:07:38,000
Speaker 1: name of the movie over and over throughout the movie

1138
01:07:38,040 --> 01:07:41,280
Speaker 1: is cooked into the title where the climax of both

1139
01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:43,120
Speaker 1: of these movies have to be shouting the name of

1140
01:07:43,160 --> 01:07:45,360
Speaker 1: the movie. I love it, I really I love it.

1141
01:07:45,720 --> 01:07:48,600
Speaker 1: I've want the second movie twice, and both times I

1142
01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:50,720
Speaker 1: did not appreciate the end beat where they were like,

1143
01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:59,000
Speaker 1: why isn't it working name? Oh yeah, welcome to the Jungle.

1144
01:07:59,120 --> 01:08:05,600
Speaker 1: No just Juma, Oh my god. Even another parallel to Mowana,

1145
01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:08,320
Speaker 1: where at the end of Molana is like I know

1146
01:08:08,640 --> 01:08:13,720
Speaker 1: your name and it's our name is Jumanji? Yeah yeah?

1147
01:08:17,240 --> 01:08:28,760
Speaker 1: There're that amazing moment in Titanic where they shout titan as, oh,

1148
01:08:28,800 --> 01:08:31,720
Speaker 1: well this was Is there a better way to end

1149
01:08:31,720 --> 01:08:37,360
Speaker 1: our time at the beautiful Jeff dog Jeff, Jeff simmer

1150
01:08:37,439 --> 01:08:40,680
Speaker 1: down cool at Jeff. No, this was the best way

1151
01:08:40,720 --> 01:08:43,400
Speaker 1: to do it. So let us determine whether or not

1152
01:08:43,520 --> 01:08:48,280
Speaker 1: Jumanji Welcome to the Jungle passes the Bactel test um.

1153
01:08:48,320 --> 01:08:53,599
Speaker 1: There are a few scenes where women in women identifying body.

1154
01:08:53,680 --> 01:08:57,080
Speaker 1: I don't know how to even okay, so hard hard

1155
01:08:57,160 --> 01:09:01,559
Speaker 1: to know. So where Bethany is talking to her friend Lucinda,

1156
01:09:01,640 --> 01:09:05,160
Speaker 1: whose name we do find out, that does not pass

1157
01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:08,519
Speaker 1: because they are talking about a man, and then the

1158
01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:12,280
Speaker 1: teacher comes up and interrupts them. But the teacher there's

1159
01:09:12,360 --> 01:09:15,760
Speaker 1: three different interactions or no, there's two different interactions with

1160
01:09:15,840 --> 01:09:17,840
Speaker 1: teachers that could pass up. The teachers have names, but

1161
01:09:17,840 --> 01:09:21,439
Speaker 1: they don't, but they yeah, because moments later Martha yells

1162
01:09:21,479 --> 01:09:23,479
Speaker 1: at her gym teacher and then gets to tention. But

1163
01:09:23,479 --> 01:09:26,400
Speaker 1: we never a woman shaming a woman for her profession?

1164
01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:28,920
Speaker 1: Does it fast the Michael test Not in this case,

1165
01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:32,120
Speaker 1: but it could. There is a moment when they're in

1166
01:09:32,200 --> 01:09:35,640
Speaker 1: detention and Martha says to Bethany, are you going to

1167
01:09:35,680 --> 01:09:38,599
Speaker 1: help or are you too pretty, and Bethany says I'm

1168
01:09:38,640 --> 01:09:42,840
Speaker 1: too pretty and that technically beth as that does fast.

1169
01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:45,599
Speaker 1: I had that written as like, yeah, there's we've been

1170
01:09:45,760 --> 01:09:48,840
Speaker 1: encountering a lot of problematic passes recently. I know we'll

1171
01:09:48,880 --> 01:09:55,000
Speaker 1: never top She's all that you should kill herself, but

1172
01:09:55,000 --> 01:09:57,639
Speaker 1: but we can get close. Yeah we can. Uh. There's

1173
01:09:57,880 --> 01:10:00,320
Speaker 1: a few moments after that in the movie. They're like

1174
01:10:00,360 --> 01:10:01,680
Speaker 1: trying to figure out whether or not they want to

1175
01:10:01,680 --> 01:10:05,000
Speaker 1: play the Jumanji video game, and Bethany says, oh, she's

1176
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:08,080
Speaker 1: not big on fun, and then Martha's like fine, okay,

1177
01:10:08,200 --> 01:10:11,160
Speaker 1: and then Bethany says, this may be the lamest thing

1178
01:10:11,160 --> 01:10:13,280
Speaker 1: I've ever done, and Martha says, I highly doubt that.

1179
01:10:13,479 --> 01:10:17,800
Speaker 1: Shout out to the movie doubt shutting, but you said

1180
01:10:17,800 --> 01:10:21,360
Speaker 1: that I didn't. That's out. Everyone take their bats out.

1181
01:10:23,160 --> 01:10:25,200
Speaker 1: I don't know if this passes or not, because they're

1182
01:10:25,240 --> 01:10:28,920
Speaker 1: more talking into a void than to each other, so

1183
01:10:29,080 --> 01:10:31,719
Speaker 1: I'm not really sure about that one. Uh. And then okay,

1184
01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:34,720
Speaker 1: there is the scene where we've already talked about it,

1185
01:10:34,760 --> 01:10:38,519
Speaker 1: where Martha and Bethany but as their avatars, so Karen

1186
01:10:38,560 --> 01:10:42,760
Speaker 1: Gillan and Jack Black are like, oh, well, there's a

1187
01:10:42,800 --> 01:10:45,920
Speaker 1: moment where Martha's like, I need to borrow your jacket

1188
01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:47,960
Speaker 1: because I feel like I'm wearing a bikini. So that's like,

1189
01:10:48,120 --> 01:10:50,719
Speaker 1: but it's not nearly again, her outfit is not challenged

1190
01:10:50,800 --> 01:10:54,360
Speaker 1: nearly enough. No, no, not, I think not at all.

1191
01:10:54,479 --> 01:10:57,200
Speaker 1: I think that that then there was I remember seeing

1192
01:10:57,280 --> 01:10:59,799
Speaker 1: that like click bait written about when the first posters

1193
01:10:59,800 --> 01:11:02,559
Speaker 1: were at least and then it was immediately diffused by like,

1194
01:11:02,560 --> 01:11:04,679
Speaker 1: oh it's okay because they're making fun of video games.

1195
01:11:05,000 --> 01:11:09,880
Speaker 1: It's like, are still bad? Yeah, yeah, it's like there

1196
01:11:09,960 --> 01:11:12,479
Speaker 1: that that will change nothing. Yeah. I really hate the

1197
01:11:12,479 --> 01:11:14,800
Speaker 1: excuse of we're putting it in this context like as

1198
01:11:14,840 --> 01:11:18,000
Speaker 1: a commentary, but we're still doing the exact same thing. Yeah.

1199
01:11:18,920 --> 01:11:20,760
Speaker 1: I think the more effective tree there is, even if

1200
01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:23,559
Speaker 1: she starts that way, have her change exactly. They go

1201
01:11:23,640 --> 01:11:26,439
Speaker 1: to a bazaar. Surely there's like some clothes she can

1202
01:11:26,640 --> 01:11:28,600
Speaker 1: she could have gone and then she and then we

1203
01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:34,240
Speaker 1: can have women be shopping you. You can have the

1204
01:11:35,479 --> 01:11:38,680
Speaker 1: oh my god, the wonder Woman montage where they're like,

1205
01:11:38,720 --> 01:11:43,000
Speaker 1: well you can't make you less hot. There love a montage.

1206
01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:46,400
Speaker 1: But in that scene, Bethany's are like, couldn't judging me?

1207
01:11:47,800 --> 01:11:50,280
Speaker 1: And then Martha's like, I don't actually hate you, and

1208
01:11:50,320 --> 01:11:52,680
Speaker 1: she's like really, and she's like, no, you just live

1209
01:11:52,720 --> 01:11:55,599
Speaker 1: in your hot girl bubble where you're either being treated

1210
01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:59,280
Speaker 1: like a princess or an object. And she's like, well, also,

1211
01:11:59,400 --> 01:12:01,920
Speaker 1: but you're is kind of mean and maybe you just

1212
01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:04,920
Speaker 1: decide you don't like people so that they can't not

1213
01:12:05,120 --> 01:12:08,160
Speaker 1: like you. That's the best conversation between women in the movie.

1214
01:12:08,200 --> 01:12:10,200
Speaker 1: And it does end with like, you're kind of hot,

1215
01:12:10,280 --> 01:12:15,680
Speaker 1: so just like own that. She's like, okay, well she's

1216
01:12:15,720 --> 01:12:20,160
Speaker 1: like I'm hot me, and oh god, it's own it

1217
01:12:20,240 --> 01:12:25,599
Speaker 1: as a man. As a teenage girl, I'm fourteen. Uh,

1218
01:12:26,360 --> 01:12:28,040
Speaker 1: But like when you're a teenage girl seeing a movie,

1219
01:12:28,120 --> 01:12:30,679
Speaker 1: there's nothing more like especially if you're like a weird

1220
01:12:30,800 --> 01:12:33,600
Speaker 1: looking teenage girl who is I don't know, wearing a

1221
01:12:33,640 --> 01:12:37,040
Speaker 1: back Brasen will never fuck right, I'm just pulling out

1222
01:12:37,040 --> 01:12:39,599
Speaker 1: of nothing. But like it's going to see a movie

1223
01:12:39,680 --> 01:12:42,720
Speaker 1: and seeing a very hot, like young actress be like

1224
01:12:43,120 --> 01:12:45,960
Speaker 1: I'm so weird and ugly it just makes you just

1225
01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:50,080
Speaker 1: want to like murder someone. Like plenty of weird looking

1226
01:12:50,120 --> 01:12:53,320
Speaker 1: young actors out here we've we walked past on the

1227
01:12:53,360 --> 01:12:57,160
Speaker 1: street all the time. But The question is, does this

1228
01:12:57,360 --> 01:13:02,920
Speaker 1: scene past the back no test? I I don't know.

1229
01:13:03,720 --> 01:13:08,280
Speaker 1: I want to say it does. It's it's en talking

1230
01:13:08,360 --> 01:13:10,600
Speaker 1: to Jack Black, I think, but it passes on a

1231
01:13:10,680 --> 01:13:15,920
Speaker 1: real technicality, right, But it's Bethany and Martha talking about

1232
01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:19,439
Speaker 1: but just in bodies that are not their own. So

1233
01:13:20,720 --> 01:13:23,360
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think it does. The man that

1234
01:13:23,360 --> 01:13:31,720
Speaker 1: they're talking about is the body. Oh so god, what

1235
01:13:32,040 --> 01:13:36,040
Speaker 1: movies mean? The scene the scene after this where they

1236
01:13:36,040 --> 01:13:38,680
Speaker 1: talk again we're basically Bethany is teaching her how to

1237
01:13:38,720 --> 01:13:41,720
Speaker 1: be desirable to men. Doesn't pass because she is to

1238
01:13:41,720 --> 01:13:43,920
Speaker 1: be like, here's how to be hot and distract men.

1239
01:13:44,920 --> 01:13:47,880
Speaker 1: But yeah, this one is is a contender. But yeah,

1240
01:13:47,920 --> 01:13:51,599
Speaker 1: I guess we say it passes because these characters still

1241
01:13:51,640 --> 01:13:55,760
Speaker 1: identify as they identify as Bethany and Martha, and they're

1242
01:13:55,800 --> 01:14:02,680
Speaker 1: talking as Bethany, and so I guess does Yes, I

1243
01:14:02,720 --> 01:14:05,880
Speaker 1: still think it's cheating, but yes, it's it's Yeah, it's

1244
01:14:05,920 --> 01:14:09,160
Speaker 1: a it's a gray area. But well, the Betel, you know,

1245
01:14:09,200 --> 01:14:12,280
Speaker 1: it doesn't have these kind of modern filters. Yeah, how

1246
01:14:12,320 --> 01:14:15,600
Speaker 1: could Alison Becktel have predicted that Jack Black would be

1247
01:14:15,680 --> 01:14:19,360
Speaker 1: cast as a female wead? But the movie? So the movies.

1248
01:14:19,760 --> 01:14:22,679
Speaker 1: Even if this scene didn't pass, the movie would still

1249
01:14:22,680 --> 01:14:27,000
Speaker 1: pass from a couple earlier scenes between Martha and Bethany

1250
01:14:27,120 --> 01:14:30,760
Speaker 1: in their own actual bodies, and then a scene at

1251
01:14:30,760 --> 01:14:34,160
Speaker 1: the very end where Bethany is like, hey, Lucinda, let's

1252
01:14:34,200 --> 01:14:36,280
Speaker 1: go camping and she's like, what, you want to go

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Speaker 1: backpacking in nature? And she's like, yeah, yeah, so yes,

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Speaker 1: you learned so much in the Jungle Queen. So there

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Speaker 1: you have it. Both movies pass the backtel test. But

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Speaker 1: but Jumanji versus Jumanji? Which Jumanji Jumanji is the hardest.

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Speaker 1: I'd say Milanna Wyethora versus mo Wanna. Which is the

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Speaker 1: better Jumanji movie? Okay, I'm gonna say the first one.

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Speaker 1: It's more iconic, it's got more fields. I mean, the

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Speaker 1: second one is more like a remix. It's it's like

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Speaker 1: such a different thing. Like I appreciate it the same

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Speaker 1: way I appreciate like some of the lesser like Star

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Speaker 1: Trek series, where I'm just like, you're not as good Enterprise,

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Speaker 1: but I guess still in the same universe, so I

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Speaker 1: still love you well. Loser talk with Brody has started

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Speaker 1: in Finish Loser, I'm very cool it's true. I think

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Speaker 1: the first one too. Yeah, I mean the I think

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Speaker 1: the nostalgia alone for me to just haven't grown up

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Speaker 1: with this movie and seen it so many times. But

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Speaker 1: the second one also super good. Then movies the movie

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Speaker 1: shall we write them on our nipple scale, Let's do

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Speaker 1: it based on the portrayal of women. So the first one,

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Speaker 1: I mean, all things can sit ed, I think for me,

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Speaker 1: when it comes down to if you examine, like the

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Speaker 1: big moments that the male characters have in influencing the

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Speaker 1: direction that the story takes, it's almost always either Alan

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Speaker 1: or Peter doing like oh we I fixed it or

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Speaker 1: I saved everybody or whatever, and the women get much

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Speaker 1: fewer of those moments, and that I think is the

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Speaker 1: biggest problem for me for this movie. So I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: give jam two nipples, and they belong to the lion,

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Speaker 1: who mostly just camps out in the bed the whole movie.

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Speaker 1: So it used to have a nice little relaxing time.

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Speaker 1: Good for lion slays and for jumant you Welcome to

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Speaker 1: the Jungle. I think because it's it was made decades

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Speaker 1: later and had the opportunity to maybe correct some of

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Speaker 1: the issues from the first movie. Represent women better, give

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Speaker 1: them more bearing on the story, give them more on

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Speaker 1: screen representation. All of that, it missed a lot of opportunities.

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Speaker 1: So also, the only woman we really see on screen

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Speaker 1: is a conventionally hot white lady. Right for the direction,

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Speaker 1: this is this has been lady talked with Freddy Heart,

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Speaker 1: This is Freddie dating corners. Right. Both movies are very white,

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Speaker 1: so you know, very little women of color representation. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: basically nothing in either movie, right. I think for Jumanji,

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Speaker 1: I think Welcome to the Jungles also going to get

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Speaker 1: to nipples from me um. I do like the both

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Speaker 1: movies touch on like kind of toxic masculinity being spread

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Speaker 1: from man to man and how that isn't serving anyone

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Speaker 1: and how that's not the best way to approach things.

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Speaker 1: But I don't know. Again, there were more opportunities for

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Speaker 1: things to be commented on, female actors to have more

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Speaker 1: bearing on the story for both movies. So yeah, both

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Speaker 1: of them get two nipples, and the jaguar from the

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Speaker 1: second movie gets my other two nipples. I'm down to

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Speaker 1: go to and two as well, and I'm more annoyed

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Speaker 1: with the second one for having to give it to

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Speaker 1: the first one. Is all kind of I feel like

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Speaker 1: par for the course nineties missed opportunities and not like

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Speaker 1: thoughtless just movies did not consider much you know back then.

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Speaker 1: So I don't't really have anything to add there. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: this the second one sucks because it is like it

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Speaker 1: just it it feels like a sleazy like executive somewhere

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Speaker 1: is like he he, we got all the themes in,

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Speaker 1: but we have said nothing. Like it's just like it's

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Speaker 1: just like they they reference it. It's very Anything remotely

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Speaker 1: feminist that's explored is commercial. You go, girl, feminism that

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01:18:52,560 --> 01:18:56,240
Speaker 1: says nothing still doubles down on but you've gotta be

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Speaker 1: conventionally hot and like it's funny to like not have

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Speaker 1: a perfect body for like an hour, you know. And yeah,

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Speaker 1: and in that regard, I was like frustrated of like

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Speaker 1: there was potential. They took some wide swings in some regards,

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Speaker 1: but in terms of like making any meaningful commentary, which

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Speaker 1: is you go to a Chumanji movie and you expect

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Speaker 1: some meaningful commentary. But it was like there there could

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Speaker 1: have been you know, a better choices could have been made,

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Speaker 1: and I think weren't intentionally so two and two throwing

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Speaker 1: one to Bonnie Hunt throwing one to David Alan Grier

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Speaker 1: throwing one Nick Jonas and the alligator that he will

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Speaker 1: present until he dies. How many nipples zero to five?

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Speaker 1: Got it? I think I'm going to go two and two. Also,

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Speaker 1: I never had a problem like thinking of the female

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Speaker 1: characters in the first movie as real people. So that's cool,

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Speaker 1: both nipples go to Bonnie Hunt, and then the second movie,

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Speaker 1: I think I feel the same. It's like, like, for

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Speaker 1: the reasons you guys have explored, it's not the most

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Speaker 1: feminist movie, but does like give screen time to trying

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, all right, you

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Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like I appreciate the effort, dudes. Um,

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Speaker 1: so I'll give it to one and a half nipples,

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Speaker 1: and I'll give them to the hippo and hippo and

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Speaker 1: probably the snake. Oh yeah, this is crazy, But I

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Speaker 1: do think DRUMANGI Welcome to the Jungle is one of

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Speaker 1: the hardest movies we've ever covered on this show. It's

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01:20:40,640 --> 01:20:43,040
Speaker 1: it's like very like it was a challenging There is

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Speaker 1: arguably a scene where she says, Martha, get over here

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01:20:46,320 --> 01:20:49,400
Speaker 1: and look at my dick. No, thank you. That passes

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Speaker 1: the factel test. Maybe, well, I mean, we don't have

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Speaker 1: to talk. It's like, that's crazy that that is an

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01:20:55,439 --> 01:20:58,679
Speaker 1: issue that's a talking point because they're not They're talking

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Speaker 1: about a part of a man assists man's body. Well,

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01:21:04,120 --> 01:21:06,439
Speaker 1: we don't know, man, I mean the man. Are any

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Speaker 1: of them technically sis because they're just like shells, you know,

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Speaker 1: are any of the sexual beasts? But it is a

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Speaker 1: man that it's up to her if she identifies as it,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's like, right into the

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Speaker 1: video game characters, I would argue aren't sexual beings because

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Speaker 1: all the sexual vibes that we get are from the

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Speaker 1: characters and not the video game character. So they're not

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Speaker 1: combating against any sexuality from the video game characters. So

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Speaker 1: I'm assuming that's not fair. So then I think that

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Speaker 1: would pass the pactal test. One of our wildest passes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, it's Jack Flag that say fat Oh my god. Instagram. Okay, well, Brodie,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much. Thanks for having me on the

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Speaker 1: last podcast. Keep it crispy, you guys. We h, this

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Speaker 1: is just the last episode we're recording in this okay, shin,

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Speaker 1: so don't cry. We're gonna be extremely hot in this

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Speaker 1: tiny room. Yeah, hopefully next spot will have an air conditioner. Brodie,

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Speaker 1: where can people find you? You can follow me on

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Speaker 1: Twitter at ao bro bro You know I'm trying to

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Speaker 1: release a lot of short films this year. You can

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Speaker 1: check that out and pretty read dot com backslash videos.

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Speaker 1: Cool yea. You can connect with us and find us

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Speaker 1: on social media such as Twitter, Instagram, or Facebook. We've

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Speaker 1: got some merch to buy some buttons, sunny diggers. I saw,

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Speaker 1: I saw. I just went on a little tour and

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Speaker 1: I saw people across this great nation sporting their putt

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Speaker 1: and sporting their little pens. Shouts out to the group

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Speaker 1: of people in Chicago that all showed up with their

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Speaker 1: little feminist icon pins. That's so cute. The true heroes

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Speaker 1: um also subscribe to our Matreon. Yes, that's great, and

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01:22:58,800 --> 01:23:03,839
Speaker 1: as always, thanks for listening. And we can't end this

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Speaker 1: episode until we all say the magic words. I didn't

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Speaker 1: realize we were doing that. I was like, oh man,

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Speaker 1: I never listened to the end of the podcast. Job everybody. Bye.