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Speaker 1: Gang which Welcome back to the Truth with Lisa Booth.

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Speaker 1: This week we're taking a trip down Under to Australia,

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Speaker 1: where the government has used COVID nineteen to impose the

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Speaker 1: kind of dystopian tyranny that Dr Fauci dreams of at night.

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Speaker 1: Australians have been physically blocked from leaving their homes. Travel

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Speaker 1: is effectively banned. The government has built quarantine facilities that

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Speaker 1: can only be described as internment camps. People have been

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Speaker 1: arrested for what they post on Facebook. And of course

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Speaker 1: it's not about your health. They're chasing a zero COVID policy,

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Speaker 1: which is a fantasy. It's never gonna happen. It's about authoritarianism, tyranny,

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Speaker 1: about the government taking more control, depriving Australians are their

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Speaker 1: civil liberties and freedoms, just like what's happening in America.

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Speaker 1: To discuss and expose the COVID dystopia that is overtaking Australia,

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Speaker 1: I'm pleased to welcome to the show the insightful and

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Speaker 1: provrocative Obvia Many Obvious A former Israeli Defense Force Mark

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Speaker 1: Saman turned citizen journalists. Currently, he is the Australia bureau

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Speaker 1: chief for Rebel News, and he warns Americans about what

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Speaker 1: could come next if we don't heed his warnings. He's

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Speaker 1: never afraid to speak to the truth and dig for

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Speaker 1: the answers the powers that be don't want you to find.

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Speaker 1: It's my pleasure to welcome. I'll be a mini to

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Speaker 1: the show. You know, first of all, you sort of

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Speaker 1: have an interesting even interesting background. So right now you're

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Speaker 1: the Australia bureau chief for Rebel News. You're a former

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Speaker 1: Israeli Defense Force marksman. How did you get into journalism.

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Speaker 1: I kind of fell into it. I served in these

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Speaker 1: and actually, um, when I got back to Australia opened

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Speaker 1: um it was. And really what happened was I wasn't political,

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Speaker 1: your Republicans are did not know the difference. But what

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Speaker 1: I've been there, I've served there, and what you're saying

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Speaker 1: then I opened a page in my name and it

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Speaker 1: kind of it's all history from there. That's about ten

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Speaker 1: years now. I mean, you talk about, you know, kind

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Speaker 1: So as Americans, you know, we've been watching you know,

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Speaker 1: idea of a um a vaccine passport. They've been doing

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00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,919
Speaker 1: that for years in communist China, like if you're naughty,

430
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:28,199
Speaker 1: they get they have a point system, and then they

431
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 1: take away your idea. That means you lose the ability

432
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 1: to work and to feed your family. And to you

433
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 1: know now that it's just with the same thing, it's

434
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 1: exactly the same thing. And for years, one thing that

435
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 1: the left and right agreed on was communist China is

436
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 1: bad and communist China ideas are bad ideas. But now

437
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:59,200
Speaker 1: it's suddenly as if the left is accepted and it's

438
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 1: not all the left. It's interesting because they try to

439
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 1: paint the whole anti lockdown movement as you know, far

440
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 1: right conspiracy there is when in reality, especially here, I

441
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 1: don't know how it is in America, but here, when

442
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 1: you go to these rallies, it is. And I've been

443
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,680
Speaker 1: I've been covering protests for a few years now, I

444
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 1: can tell you now anti lockdown protests are the most

445
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:25,360
Speaker 1: diverse protests I've ever seen. You've got people from all

446
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 1: walks of luck. So, yeah, you do have your right wing,

447
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,360
Speaker 1: you're far right, your neo nuts, you do have them.

448
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,919
Speaker 1: I'm not going to deny that, but they are the minority.

449
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 1: You have all ethnic backgrounds and cultures. In fact, I

450
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:45,880
Speaker 1: think it's more those protests are more diverse. They've got

451
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 1: more ethnic backgrounds and more um, you know, refugees that

452
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 1: go to those kind of because they're people that have

453
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:59,879
Speaker 1: kind of fled um tyranny, tyrannical governments and authoritarian governments,

454
00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:03,919
Speaker 1: and they they've seen the first signs and they're they're scared.

455
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 1: They're like, I'm going to come out and protest it

456
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 1: while I still can. And and then you have you known,

457
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,679
Speaker 1: you have far left wing activists that come out to

458
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:20,679
Speaker 1: also protests the lockdown. But on in the political on

459
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,879
Speaker 1: the in the political class, it's kind of the left

460
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:28,159
Speaker 1: have taken this position of yes, we're going to embrace

461
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 1: these vaccine passports and these lockdowns and you know, crazy

462
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 1: things like it was. I'm old enough to remember when

463
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 1: the left was really against Trump's border wall. In Australia,

464
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 1: the left have literally built border walls between states. The

465
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 1: Labor government have built a border wall between anc them

466
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 1: and so Queensland and New South Wales. The Labor government

467
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 1: has built to Wolden the same kind of people that

468
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 1: damned m Donald Trump's rhetric is dangerous and division. They've

469
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 1: literally divided our country all in the name of I

470
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 1: don't know health on someone that loves Jams. I've shut

471
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 1: down James for the best part of two years again

472
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 1: for my health well. And the iarity of that is,

473
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 1: of course, obesity is one of the leading factors that

474
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 1: leads someone to end up in the hospital or death

475
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 1: because they shut down gyms here too, So that, of course,

476
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 1: I mean, none of this makes sense, right, That's not

477
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 1: the point. The point is controlled with abuse of power

478
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 1: and turning these different countries into authoritarian states with people

479
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 1: who are want to be dictators and individuals who have

480
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 1: affinity for tyranny and like the irny of what you're

481
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 1: saying about with the border. I mean, we have left

482
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 1: wing politicians here who just got done telling us how

483
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 1: racist voter ideas are, despite the fact that the majority

484
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 1: of minorities support voter ideas. But yet these same people

485
00:29:56,200 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 1: are asking for vaccine passports. And you look at places

486
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 1: New York City and you've got a larger percentage of

487
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 1: minorities who aren't vaccinated, who are disproportionately impacted by all

488
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 1: of this. So obviously nothing they say makes sense. But

489
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 1: why do you I mean, it seems like here in America,

490
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 1: and then what you're saying about you know, Australia as well,

491
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 1: I mean, why does it seem And tell me if

492
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 1: this is accurate for you guys, but it seems like

493
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 1: people on the left are the ones most supportive of,

494
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 1: you know, these draconian measures and and these lockdowns and

495
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 1: these totalitarian policies in the political class. Certainly, yes they are,

496
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 1: And I believe I feel like it all started because

497
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 1: Trump took that one position, and everything Trump did was bad,

498
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 1: so they had to take the opposite position, and it

499
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 1: just continued on from there. But they also sort of,

500
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 1: you know, they do thrive in the idea of control

501
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 1: and um, you know, dispassing wealth. So everything they're doing

502
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 1: has kind of socialist traits to it. So UM, I

503
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 1: can see where they identified. But they're all a pack

504
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 1: of hypocrites, that's a that's the thing, all of them

505
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 1: that when when they preach that it's about you know,

506
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 1: protecting your grandma and this and that, And they're all

507
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 1: liars that don't actually keep the rules themselves, None of

508
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 1: them do. I've seen talk about Yeah, take us through

509
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 1: some of these because we have those examples here as

510
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 1: well with you know, Governor Gavin news So I mean

511
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 1: there's a long list of hypocrites who rules for thee

512
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 1: but not for me. But what what's what's happening in

513
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 1: Australia with that some of your leaders? So like I'll

514
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 1: talk about the last week this um this issue with

515
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 1: the Jewish that that Orthodox Jewish community and you had

516
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 1: you know, these loud voices, you know, leaders within their

517
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 1: community and and even leftist Jews they're just as bad

518
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 1: that they you know, they'll stand up and go this

519
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 1: is not Judaism, this is not my juda there's shame

520
00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 1: on these and you know, I look at um, some

521
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 1: of these people that are posting there and they're saying,

522
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 1: you know, flating that their language was flouting the COVID restrictions,

523
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 1: putting us all in danger. And then you just look

524
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 1: to post down of those same people and they're flouting

525
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 1: the mask restrictions and they're at they're visiting people in

526
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 1: their homes. They're flouting all the same rules. But if

527
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 1: they can use it as a political point scoring against

528
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 1: them the other side, and obviously those orthodox Jews are

529
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 1: you know, conservatives, so it's them. It's those Jews and

530
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 1: the left wing Jews, just like we see in the

531
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 1: broader community, and like, no, we are better than you

532
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 1: because not that we practice what we preach, just because

533
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 1: we preach it. Preaching it is what makes us better,

534
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 1: because we care. They don't care. All they care about

535
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 1: is um furthering their agenda. And I think coronavirus is

536
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 1: just a tool. The pandemic, everything that's happening is just

537
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 1: a tool to further their agenda. And they've done pretty

538
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 1: well till now. And look, we've got not no offense

539
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 1: to your president, no offense to your country, your president,

540
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 1: so you can you can offend Joe Biden. I have

541
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 1: no affinity for him, so go for it. So we

542
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 1: ended up with Joe Biden leading the free world. That's

543
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 1: that's that's what has come out of this pandemic. And

544
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 1: I don't think much more needs to be said to that.

545
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 1: And I think the fact that you're seeing Australia in

546
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 1: the position it is has to do with that. Where

547
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 1: are the checks and balances on all of this? I

548
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 1: mean you're talking about in terms and camps where people none.

549
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 1: Government is shut down, The state parliament here in Victoria

550
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 1: is not sitting, The state Parliament in New South Wales

551
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 1: is not sitting there on hold because of this state

552
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 1: of emergency, because of this, because there's too many cases

553
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 1: and so there's no checks and balances. There's the they

554
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 1: these right now because of the I don't know how

555
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,359
Speaker 1: it works for you guys, but the legislation here. While

556
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 1: there's a state of emergency or a state of disaster

557
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:16,400
Speaker 1: in place, they can do whatever they want, literally whatever.

558
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 1: They can walk into your house and deem your computer

559
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 1: a necessary thing for an investigation, for for public health

560
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:28,720
Speaker 1: and safety, and that's it. We've run programs at Rebel

561
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:33,440
Speaker 1: news Um to help people fight, finds to try, uh,

562
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 1: you know, challenge some of these things in the Supreme Court,

563
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 1: and it is it is an uphill battle. What's the

564
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:44,239
Speaker 1: media looked like, because obviously you guys are countering, you know,

565
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 1: this insanity and talking about this dysturbia at Rebel News.

566
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:52,280
Speaker 1: But what has anyone in your media fought back or

567
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 1: what does the mainstream media is approach to all this

568
00:34:55,160 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 1: look like? Point nine, there's the fringe media. Yeah, there's

569
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 1: a few um loan journalists that are doing a good job.

570
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 1: But the media class, what do they care. They got

571
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 1: a job. In fact, they're thriving in the in the

572
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 1: pandemic because people are stuck glued to their their TVs

573
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 1: trying to find out when we're getting out of this.

574
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,840
Speaker 1: Everyone's watching the news. The ratings on on on these

575
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:29,359
Speaker 1: press conferences are higher than they've ever been. So the

576
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 1: media is pushing this and they're selling their fear pawn

577
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 1: like they are scaring society into believing this is the

578
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 1: end of the world. And the scariest part of it

579
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:44,799
Speaker 1: is this gig is almost up. This gig is almost up.

580
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:51,919
Speaker 1: But tomorrow what if we suddenly they say, well, it's

581
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 1: really we're coming to the end of the world because

582
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 1: of climate change, and so the experts of scientists say

583
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 1: that the only way we can avoid a total destruction

584
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 1: of our planet is if we locked down a week

585
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 1: in every month. Now, I know that seems like a

586
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 1: fart stretch, but it isn't, not anymore, not anymore. Two

587
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:20,760
Speaker 1: years ago I would have thought you're mad, But today

588
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:24,879
Speaker 1: I feel like m They All they have to say

589
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 1: is health experts and its gospel. We we actually UM

590
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:34,280
Speaker 1: in one of our Supreme Court challenges, we we made

591
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 1: the government UM put these so called the health experts

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00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:42,360
Speaker 1: under oath and explain to us how they got to

593
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 1: the decisions that they got to. How did you decide

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00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 1: that ten people at a funeral outdoors is more dangerous

595
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 1: than ten people, UM whatever indoors? I think. I think

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00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 1: one of the examples was ten people actually indoor a

597
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 1: funeral was safer than ten people outdoors protesting the government,

598
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 1: because that was the point it was about, UM, the

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00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 1: right to protest. So at the rules at the time

600
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 1: allowed ten people indoors for a funeral, but didn't allow

601
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 1: ten people outdoors. Where we knew at the time, especially

602
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 1: before this big scary delta. But last year, when it

603
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 1: was just the war hand one UM that's strange was

604
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 1: never spread outdoors ever in Australia, at least never, but

605
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 1: they banned protests outdoors, even for small groups of ten

606
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:37,240
Speaker 1: while they left funerals. And so we asked, we challenged

607
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 1: them to explain why, and there was there was actually

608
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 1: no science behind it. So these people we have to

609
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 1: take their word as gospel. They decide um and it's

610
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 1: because if not, we're all doomed. So in another year

611
00:37:55,640 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 1: or two, when the science is conclusive, because the science

612
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:03,839
Speaker 1: experts that we listen to, that we allow on Facebook

613
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:08,439
Speaker 1: and Twitter and YouTube, they are telling us that there's

614
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 1: only three years for the world to live otherwise unless

615
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:16,880
Speaker 1: we do a lockdown every month. As if we're not

616
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,359
Speaker 1: going to lock down, they've got to lockdown. And this

617
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 1: is this is what he's so scary in Australia is

618
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 1: that people are just you know, have been willing to

619
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 1: give up every civil liberty to chase something based on lies. Well,

620
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:35,839
Speaker 1: and that's what this has all been about. I mean,

621
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:38,800
Speaker 1: we went from Joe Biden previously saying that he would

622
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 1: not that you know, no COVID mandates for vaccines, and

623
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 1: then quickly to now where we are where you can't

624
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:49,919
Speaker 1: hold a job if it for a you can't work

625
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:52,880
Speaker 1: for a company that has over a hundred employees without

626
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 1: being vaccinated. I mean, so it's like the the quickness

627
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 1: and where this goes from something you know, sort of

628
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 1: innocuous to sinister and dangerous and where there's no turning back.

629
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 1: And I think that's like the broader concern about all

630
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 1: of this is, you know, when in history have we

631
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 1: given up freedoms and gotten them back? And I think

632
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 1: that's what people don't understand as we keep having and

633
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 1: even conservatives here in America keep excusing some of this stuff.

634
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 1: Oh well, you know, if we just do this, we'll

635
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 1: we'll get this freedom back or if we just but

636
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 1: that doesn't happen like once you once you give up

637
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 1: that ground, you're never giving it back. So every every

638
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 1: step of the way, and all they say is and

639
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 1: this is the excuse we've seen all throughout and they're

640
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 1: lining up the next one is when they don't do

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00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 1: what they said they would do. Um if we achieved

642
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 1: whatever stupid gold they set um, they just turned around

643
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 1: and they say, oh no, now there's we didn't have

644
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,879
Speaker 1: what we had. Now now there's a worse strain. Now

645
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 1: there's the delta. You know, last year, this was the

646
00:39:54,520 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 1: most infectious, dangerous disease in history. We've never seen anything like.

647
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 1: And now suddenly this year, last year's wasn't actually that bad.

648
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:09,360
Speaker 1: This year's is that bad. And now they're talking about

649
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 1: they're talking about the future. Strange Again, I don't believe.

650
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:15,839
Speaker 1: I believe this gig is almost up, whether they like

651
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:21,799
Speaker 1: it or not. I even believe Australia is at its

652
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 1: you know, tipping point here. So I think this gig is.

653
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:31,320
Speaker 1: But I think climate change is the one that's certainly

654
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:36,759
Speaker 1: got a longer life because there's you know, this invisible

655
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 1: virus was you know, it was touching. You know, some

656
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 1: people have had family members that have been affected by

657
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:48,239
Speaker 1: I've had family members that have certainly passed away with coronavirus,

658
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 1: both in America and in Israel. You know, they were

659
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:55,439
Speaker 1: quite elderly and pre existing conditions. Fine, but I think,

660
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 1: you know, maybe less in Australia, but around the world.

661
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:02,879
Speaker 1: In Israel, I know, everybody kind of knew people that

662
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:08,399
Speaker 1: have gotten sick from it, so um, they have some

663
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:13,919
Speaker 1: sort of you know, relationship with it in reality. But um,

664
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 1: but climate change, when no one's really gonna learn the

665
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 1: boogeyman is just there and we're trusting the the experts

666
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 1: to tell us everything. It's going to be the it's

667
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 1: gonna be the lie that they're going to be able

668
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:32,720
Speaker 1: to hold onto for years. Well, and that's like because

669
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 1: basically the knock if if if you believe in civil liberties,

670
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 1: if you believe in the freedom of the knock is

671
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:39,879
Speaker 1: you don't care about life, that somehow you are a

672
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 1: bad person for not caring about it. But that's a

673
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:45,800
Speaker 1: farce because basically what we have seen throughout the duration

674
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 1: of COVID is the government promises safety. They cannot deliver

675
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 1: on safety because it is a virus and viruses do

676
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 1: what viruses do. And we you know, I've talked to

677
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 1: some of the top epidemiologists in the world. COVID is

678
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,759
Speaker 1: not going away. That we're gonna turned it into an

679
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 1: endemic at some point from a pandemic, but it's not

680
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:05,920
Speaker 1: going away. COVID is here to stay. So the government

681
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 1: keeps making these false promises, having us engage in theater

682
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 1: like lockdowns and masks for a false promise of security

683
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 1: that they can't deliver on. And so the broader question

684
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:20,799
Speaker 1: is what are we, as freedom loving people willing to

685
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:27,839
Speaker 1: sacrifice for the false promise of security? And I say none, right, like,

686
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 1: hell no, like we have to be. I believe in freedom,

687
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 1: I believe in similarity. So you know, it's basically just

688
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 1: a middle finger to all of this nonsense that is

689
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:37,720
Speaker 1: going on, not just in the United States, but clearly

690
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 1: in Australia and the rest of the world. I mean,

691
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,319
Speaker 1: are there you know, here in America we least have

692
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 1: some leaders who have stepped forward and said this is wrong.

693
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 1: We've got people like Governor Rawn de Santis, who has

694
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 1: really been leading the way. Oh my god, He's just no.

695
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 1: I'm trying to all. I'm wondering if they're there, if

696
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 1: I fall for Solomon, did you have anyone? You know,

697
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 1: are there leaders in Australia that have stepped up like

698
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 1: Rhonda Santas who are bravely no real leaders? Um? You

699
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:11,800
Speaker 1: see New South Wales was which is Sydney, the Sydney

700
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 1: the city in New South Wales, New South Wales, it

701
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 1: looked like so everybody locked down. The first lockdown, you know,

702
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 1: and I'm not going to lie. I the first lockdown thought,

703
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 1: let's do this. You know, this seems real Um. And

704
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:31,280
Speaker 1: then after that first lockdown, the new South Wales premier

705
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 1: was very anti the lockdowns and she was, you know,

706
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 1: kind of mocking our premier here in Victoria, who's a

707
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:44,240
Speaker 1: labor so she's a conservative, he's a he's a labor

708
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:48,360
Speaker 1: he's UM, so he's more like the Democrats. UM. And

709
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:52,319
Speaker 1: she was mocking for all the lockdowns and until they

710
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:55,879
Speaker 1: got this delta thing, and then she turned into him

711
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 1: and she locked down in some ways harder than him

712
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 1: and some ways, UM, why the change do you think?

713
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 1: I think the pressure the pressure got to her. UM.

714
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 1: I was hoping that she was drawing inspiration from the

715
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:16,359
Speaker 1: Great Governor of Um in Florida, but it seems like

716
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:20,280
Speaker 1: she at the end she ended up being very very weak.

717
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:25,280
Speaker 1: And her rehetric these days is nothing less than shocking.

718
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 1: You know, she's talking about now in your South Wales,

719
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 1: you're gonna you're not gonna be allowed to work. So

720
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 1: if you're an essential worker one of the you know,

721
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 1: like media for example, me, you won't be allowed to

722
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 1: work without a vaccine passport. They will stop you from

723
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:42,800
Speaker 1: being allowed to leave your home as an essential worker

724
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:46,799
Speaker 1: to work without a vaccine. Quick commercial break and then

725
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:58,319
Speaker 1: more on Australia's COVID Dysturbia with RV your miny. What's

726
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:02,840
Speaker 1: been the human toll of all the speakers, you know,

727
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 1: just the economic calamity of small businesses not being able

728
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:09,399
Speaker 1: to open, or like you said, some people not being

729
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 1: able to work. What's or even just looking at you know,

730
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 1: suicide and depression. What's been the human tool in Australia

731
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 1: with all of this? And I doobtedly just walk around

732
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:23,800
Speaker 1: and talk to anyone. People are depressed, people are over it,

733
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:27,800
Speaker 1: people who have hopeless because there's at the moment there's

734
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,799
Speaker 1: really there's no end in sight. There's no real end

735
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 1: in sight. And even if the government kind of tries

736
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 1: to paint one, no one believes them, and for good reason,

737
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 1: because this was all fourteen days to flatten a curve.

738
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:44,799
Speaker 1: And we are in our sixth lockdown two and I

739
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 1: think thirty four days or something. Um, so you know,

740
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:52,840
Speaker 1: before you know it, we're going to be a total

741
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 1: year in total lockdown. And and you've got to remember,

742
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:57,919
Speaker 1: from the beginning of this pandemic, when we say we've

743
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 1: been whatever four days in lockdown, that's that's hard lockdown,

744
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 1: that's curfew five climes from your house, five visits to liver.

745
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 1: But in between that we've had restrictions, we have We've

746
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 1: never been able to do anything. You know, there was

747
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 1: only a couple of weeks in the middle of this

748
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:21,839
Speaker 1: entire pandemic where you wouldn't have felt the restrict the restrictions.

749
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 1: But aside from that, everything, like, you know, even when

750
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 1: it was open, if you went to dinner, it was

751
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:30,879
Speaker 1: really weird to sit at dinner. You're on a time

752
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 1: you're not allowed to move from your seat, you can't, like,

753
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 1: it was uncomfortable to do anything. Do you feel like

754
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 1: you're in prison, Yeah, prison island, and I feel like

755
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 1: you're trapped, you know. I feel like if you go

756
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,840
Speaker 1: anywhere else in the world, at least you can go

757
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 1: somewhere else. At least you can get somewhere and goes on.

758
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:53,279
Speaker 1: You know, I've got a lot of friends in the

759
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 1: UK and I see them traveling around Europe throughout this

760
00:46:56,200 --> 00:47:00,080
Speaker 1: entire pandemic. I've got my family in Israel and you know,

761
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 1: looking at Israel, Israel's If anyone doesn't want to believe

762
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 1: this story of if you just you know what they

763
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 1: keep telling us now that if you just get vaccinated

764
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 1: will be we'll get our freedoms back. Or you've got

765
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:15,360
Speaker 1: to look at look at Israel today, one of the

766
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 1: highest vaccinated populations in the world, and they've got the

767
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 1: second highest hospitalizations per day at the moment. So, um,

768
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 1: if Australia locks down, if states lockdown over one positive case,

769
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:39,840
Speaker 1: why will they open up when they're getting a hundred

770
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 1: hospitalizations a day. They're just not going to do it.

771
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 1: So there is an and decide it is hopeless. It's

772
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 1: sad because you know, um, if I wasn't bound, if

773
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 1: I wasn't so, I would seriously consider trying to get

774
00:47:56,120 --> 00:48:01,400
Speaker 1: myself a refugee status in Florida. I'm not even kitting.

775
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:04,360
Speaker 1: And of course the challenge of all this is we

776
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 1: have the people who are making policy, whether it's public

777
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 1: health officials or government uh you know politicians, they're insulated

778
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 1: from the impact of their policies so that they're still working,

779
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:17,719
Speaker 1: they're still making an income. And it's the small businesses,

780
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:21,279
Speaker 1: it's low income workers were suffering absolutely, so they have

781
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:25,319
Speaker 1: no incentive to change. Exactly. In fact, they're not only

782
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:29,840
Speaker 1: still working. The government here have taken two pay rises

783
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:33,839
Speaker 1: throughout the pandemic. The premier year is on almost half

784
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 1: a million dollars a year. It's disgusting. And you know

785
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 1: when I see people in the um mainstream media and there,

786
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 1: you know they're they're targeting rule breakers who dare open

787
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 1: their business. I just turned it the shame. What you like?

788
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 1: How do you not? How can you stand here and

789
00:48:56,840 --> 00:49:01,400
Speaker 1: judge someone like that who owns small business, who's just

790
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 1: trying to feed his family and to make sure his

791
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:09,360
Speaker 1: business doesn't that he put his whole lives work, sweat,

792
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:12,840
Speaker 1: blood and teas into it, all his money into it,

793
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:15,920
Speaker 1: and he's just trying to survive, and you're standing here

794
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:20,440
Speaker 1: with your stupid little microphone trying to shame him when

795
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 1: you're the only one that hasn't lost a job in

796
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 1: this scenario and all over particularly in Australia of fantasy

797
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 1: which is a zero cases it's not going to happen.

798
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 1: It's a virus. So I mean, it's it's all of

799
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:38,319
Speaker 1: this destruction and breaking people's spirits and destroying lives over

800
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:41,399
Speaker 1: a fantasy which they're never going to achieve because zero

801
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 1: policy is not an attainable goal with an infectious virus.

802
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:47,919
Speaker 1: So it's just it is absolute insanity you've talked about

803
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:49,839
Speaker 1: you've been out there in the streets, as you've talked

804
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 1: about earlier in the show about you know, covering these

805
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:55,839
Speaker 1: protests and and sort of being in it. How much

806
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 1: pushback are you seeing? How much do you anticipate, like

807
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 1: t about some of the things that you've seen a

808
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:05,279
Speaker 1: little bit more while covering these protests that have been

809
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:10,319
Speaker 1: going on, you're talking about pushback from the citizens citizens yet.

810
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 1: So yeah, just in the protests that you've you've been

811
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 1: I think if you looked at the timeline of this

812
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 1: entire pandemic, in the beginning of the pandemic, it was

813
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:26,880
Speaker 1: a very small group of pretty I guess radical um.

814
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 1: It was easy to kind of brush them off and

815
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:30,719
Speaker 1: laugh them off. In the beginning, you know, they were

816
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:33,239
Speaker 1: talking about five G and they were talking about and

817
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:36,840
Speaker 1: I remember kind of laughing them off a little bit. Um.

818
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:38,839
Speaker 1: And yes, some of the stuff they said back then

819
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:41,839
Speaker 1: was a little quirky, but some of the stuff they

820
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:47,360
Speaker 1: were saying it was scarily erally true. And it's panning out.

821
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:49,319
Speaker 1: You know, they were saying that, you know, they're going

822
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:53,320
Speaker 1: to have microchip everyone. Maybe not microchip, but the vaccine

823
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:56,480
Speaker 1: passports and the tracking the QR codes where they track

824
00:50:56,719 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 1: where you've been, and you know, in Australia, they also

825
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:04,239
Speaker 1: tried to create an app where everybody's apps talk to

826
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:06,879
Speaker 1: each other so that they can you know, what they

827
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 1: called contact tracing, but it never actually worked. Now they're

828
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:14,840
Speaker 1: they're doing everything else to track your your movement. And

829
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 1: then back then they were talking about the mandatory vaccinations.

830
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 1: Everyone was like, really, what are you talking about that

831
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:25,280
Speaker 1: don't manage It goes against the train constitution to mandate

832
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:29,799
Speaker 1: mandate health decision. Well, you know, we kind of laughed

833
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 1: him off, and those people are still around, kind of

834
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 1: saying I told you so. But as time has progressed,

835
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:39,720
Speaker 1: it became more and more the general public, the people

836
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 1: that were suffering, the small business owners, the people that

837
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:43,919
Speaker 1: have been laid off, the people that have lost their jobs,

838
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 1: and people that that are raising families that are just struggling.

839
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:52,320
Speaker 1: And now you're starting to see them hit the streets.

840
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:55,239
Speaker 1: Well you have in the last six months, you've seen them.

841
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:59,239
Speaker 1: And in all these protests I'm meeting, I'm when I'm

842
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:01,400
Speaker 1: going there to cover them, I'm meeting more and more

843
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:03,840
Speaker 1: people that are telling me, this is the first protest

844
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 1: I've been to. I've never been to a protest in

845
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:07,720
Speaker 1: my life. I've never broken a law in my life,

846
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 1: but I'm here because what else? What else have I

847
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 1: got to lose? And I think that's when I say

848
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 1: we're at a tipping point. I think we're getting there,

849
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 1: and I think the police recognize it. That's why they're very,

850
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:26,400
Speaker 1: very worried about what's going to happen this weekend um

851
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 1: and I think they sort of should be because there's

852
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:35,880
Speaker 1: a limit to how much you can you can do

853
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 1: this until and there's protests coming up this year, so

854
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:42,759
Speaker 1: there's worldwide protests. So there's big protests that that I

855
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:44,719
Speaker 1: think is planned for around the world, and these are

856
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:49,359
Speaker 1: typically the ones where no matter who they put put

857
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:51,719
Speaker 1: in jail here on a local level, it doesn't matter

858
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 1: because the people will still come to the streets because

859
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 1: it's it's beyond the the the leaders here of these

860
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:01,319
Speaker 1: little groups. It's it's and international thing. So it's all

861
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:04,840
Speaker 1: the international groups and it doesn't matter. That's what that

862
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 1: that's been their tactic here. They've gone and they've tried

863
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:14,280
Speaker 1: to mass arrest anyone trying to organize protests to stop

864
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 1: them from happening, and at times it's worked. It's kind

865
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:18,719
Speaker 1: of you know, protest was going to happen, but it

866
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 1: kind of flopped because suddenly the leader went missing and everybody,

867
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 1: you know, all the people at the bottom got confused

868
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:28,279
Speaker 1: by what, when, who, why if it's really happening, So

869
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:32,360
Speaker 1: it kind of fizzled out. But these worldwide international ones

870
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:38,360
Speaker 1: that seem to not really have one um leader, they

871
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:43,480
Speaker 1: they the police cannot control them by by deploying that

872
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:47,800
Speaker 1: sort of tactics. So I think this weekend is a

873
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 1: big weekend and encourage all your listeners to watch this

874
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 1: space because I think Australia is going to have a

875
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:58,400
Speaker 1: tough one this weekend. And so you actually you're suing

876
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 1: the police over September incident, you know what happened with that.

877
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:06,840
Speaker 1: I'm sewing him over a number of interactions now, but

878
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:11,359
Speaker 1: that one was what started all off. I was at

879
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 1: one of these lockdown protests in the capacity as a

880
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 1: journalist m for Reabel News. All the police know who

881
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:22,319
Speaker 1: I am, Um, some of them really like the work.

882
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 1: They often walk up to me and going, I love,

883
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:26,920
Speaker 1: love what you're doing, especially before the pandemic when it

884
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 1: was you know, going to climate change protests and talking

885
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:35,399
Speaker 1: to the people there and showing how they're out there

886
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:37,319
Speaker 1: blocking our roads and they don't know what the hell

887
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:41,799
Speaker 1: they're talking about. Um. But even within, even within the

888
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:45,520
Speaker 1: lockdown stuff, there's still a number of police that do supported.

889
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 1: But every officer knows who I am, and the commanding

890
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:57,000
Speaker 1: officer just came straight for me, ordered his his you know,

891
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:01,640
Speaker 1: a group of thugs to literally take me down on camera,

892
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:06,359
Speaker 1: no shame, no care in the world, feeling like they're

893
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:09,239
Speaker 1: above the law. And freedom of the press doesn't matter

894
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:12,400
Speaker 1: if it's you know, if it's an outlet or a

895
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:17,799
Speaker 1: journalist who's critical of the overreach and the overstep by

896
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:21,320
Speaker 1: the police. And they deterin me for a few minutes,

897
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:24,480
Speaker 1: gave me a what's called a move on order. So

898
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 1: I hadn't broken any laws, I hadn't done anything wrong,

899
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:29,720
Speaker 1: but they issued me with a move on order. And

900
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:34,440
Speaker 1: if in that moment I don't move on, then I'm in.

901
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:39,640
Speaker 1: I'm then I am potentially committing an offense which is

902
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:41,600
Speaker 1: in breach of the move on either. So it's sort

903
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:43,799
Speaker 1: of like what they do with the bowel conditions. Um.

904
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:47,360
Speaker 1: So we're suing the police here for that, and again

905
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:49,800
Speaker 1: a number of other incidents where you know, there was

906
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:52,280
Speaker 1: another time where I was arrested for my own safety,

907
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:54,880
Speaker 1: said the crowd. So this was not at a lockdown protest,

908
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:58,799
Speaker 1: was at another protest where the crowd or you know,

909
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 1: the antique for groups within the crowd, start to surround

910
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:05,359
Speaker 1: me and try to intimidate and scare me. Um, and

911
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 1: police rushed in and grabbed me and chucked me in handcuffs.

912
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:11,680
Speaker 1: And as they're saying it, they're telling me they're doing

913
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:16,160
Speaker 1: it for my own protection. Um. So there's I think

914
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:18,799
Speaker 1: about six incidents. Couldn't they have just escorted you out

915
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:22,520
Speaker 1: of the situation. Well, I was saying, I'm I'm I'm

916
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:26,680
Speaker 1: not I'm if they're doing something wrong, arrest them, I'm

917
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:28,960
Speaker 1: not really well, yeah, I actually you know, I'm sorry.

918
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:31,440
Speaker 1: That's that's actually the that that would be the murder

919
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:35,759
Speaker 1: approach to all the better solution. I understand that it

920
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:40,560
Speaker 1: is tactically easier to take the compliant one or to

921
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:44,320
Speaker 1: take the one instead of to deal with the fifty

922
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:47,640
Speaker 1: around him threatening him, but that's not how it works

923
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:51,719
Speaker 1: in a free society. We don't let the mob rule.

924
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:56,359
Speaker 1: And so that that's that issue. Then we had, you know,

925
00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 1: we've had a couple of incidents where they've detained me

926
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:05,279
Speaker 1: for a mask when we've you know, we're very careful, UM,

927
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:08,680
Speaker 1: to work within the boundaries of the law. And many

928
00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:13,520
Speaker 1: of these officers who love to exert their newfound emergency

929
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 1: COVID powers, they don't know the laws. They don't understand

930
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:21,240
Speaker 1: anything they're trying to enforce. And in all these six

931
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 1: separate incidents, people can take a look at a standard

932
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:27,480
Speaker 1: RV dot com. Um, you can see it's all listed

933
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:29,960
Speaker 1: in the in the lawsuits there. But in all these incidents,

934
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:32,440
Speaker 1: I've never been charged with anything because I've never actually

935
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:36,880
Speaker 1: done anything wrong. UM, I've just been And that's why

936
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 1: you know, they don't like it, because I I don't

937
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 1: just total line and follow the narrative and repeat the

938
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:52,880
Speaker 1: government talking points. UM. I do what journalists used to do.

939
00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:59,680
Speaker 1: I question everything, I'm critical and UM stand up for

940
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:03,360
Speaker 1: call it as I see it. And you know, some people,

941
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:08,240
Speaker 1: especially at this time, UM, the state doesn't like it.

942
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 1: So we're kind of call it. I mean that's literally

943
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 1: the reason I started this podcast was because it was

944
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:18,280
Speaker 1: during COVID and I felt like, you know, Prager University

945
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:21,280
Speaker 1: did this, UH tweeted out this quote the other day

946
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:24,200
Speaker 1: where it says everyone's running towards the cliff, it's the

947
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:26,520
Speaker 1: person running away from it that looks crazy. And I

948
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 1: feel like that's how I felt this entire time during

949
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:31,920
Speaker 1: COVID is just no one's made sense. It's you know,

950
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:34,480
Speaker 1: up as down, down as up, this bizarre world, even

951
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:38,400
Speaker 1: conservatives or people who purport to be conservatives, you know,

952
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 1: supporting letting the groundwork for some of these draconian policies.

953
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:44,040
Speaker 1: I mean, that was the entire basis of this podcast,

954
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 1: is trying to get to the truth, having conversations like

955
00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:48,720
Speaker 1: this one that you might not be able to have

956
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:50,440
Speaker 1: on TV or you might not be able to have

957
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:53,280
Speaker 1: in some other places, and just trying to cut to

958
00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:55,120
Speaker 1: the heart of it and have a place for truth

959
00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 1: no matter what. Uh. You know, So the Prime Minister

960
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:00,440
Speaker 1: has got Morrison is up for re election, you know

961
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:02,959
Speaker 1: next year. Do you think there's going to be any

962
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:10,680
Speaker 1: political ramifications for leaders throughout Australia for all of this? Um, yeah,

963
00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:14,840
Speaker 1: I hope. I don't know anymore. It's it's very hard

964
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:20,880
Speaker 1: to predict things like this because I think, um, Stockholm

965
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:24,120
Speaker 1: syndrome is a real thing, and I think they're going

966
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:27,640
Speaker 1: to be very clever. All the government's state and federal

967
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:31,920
Speaker 1: UM are going to be very clever about how they

968
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:35,800
Speaker 1: um start to give back freedoms and it's going to

969
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:38,320
Speaker 1: work very well with their timing is going to be

970
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:43,200
Speaker 1: perfectly orchestrated in the lead up to the different whether

971
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:47,200
Speaker 1: it's state or federal elections. UM. I don't know if

972
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:53,520
Speaker 1: the problem is also what's the alternative like Scott Morrison's

973
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:59,600
Speaker 1: as a so called conservative, UM, so the other side's

974
00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:03,080
Speaker 1: going to be the same, if not worse. We don't

975
01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:07,480
Speaker 1: have many options in Victorian my state. They've just changed

976
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:13,600
Speaker 1: the leadership of the opposition. I'm hopeful, but I'm at

977
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:16,680
Speaker 1: the same time realistic. I don't think it means much.

978
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:21,120
Speaker 1: And I don't know what the memory of the people

979
01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:24,160
Speaker 1: that have suffered throughout this pandemic is, how long it's

980
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:26,120
Speaker 1: going to be sustaining, how long they're going to remember

981
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:30,360
Speaker 1: everything we've been through well. And the challenge to is,

982
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:32,440
Speaker 1: as you've talked about with your media to the same

983
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:35,640
Speaker 1: as our media is you know, they're basically a state media,

984
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:38,680
Speaker 1: right so they're the propaganda arm of Biden. And we

985
01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:42,160
Speaker 1: saw that before the election with the media actually hiding

986
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:44,800
Speaker 1: information about Hudder Biden from the public to try to

987
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:48,360
Speaker 1: help Joe Biden. So it's we're we're an increasing lee

988
01:00:48,600 --> 01:00:52,280
Speaker 1: in a world it seems like we're it is more

989
01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:54,800
Speaker 1: and more difficult to get the truth out to the public,

990
01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:58,600
Speaker 1: and that really that really scares me absolutely. And then

991
01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:01,439
Speaker 1: you have on top of that, compounded is the fact

992
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:04,560
Speaker 1: that social media is again aligned with those same groups,

993
01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:08,720
Speaker 1: the same interests, and there are one one job is

994
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:15,880
Speaker 1: to stop to stop any um sort of change back

995
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:20,080
Speaker 1: to positive. Well, and it seems like, you know, Australia

996
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:23,720
Speaker 1: isn't inarguably in a worse spot than America is with

997
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:26,560
Speaker 1: all of this, What would you say to Americans before

998
01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:31,200
Speaker 1: we allow it to get worse here in our country?

999
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:34,800
Speaker 1: I like to say, the perfect example is the reality

1000
01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:38,400
Speaker 1: of Australia. We are literally ahead of you right now.

1001
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:44,280
Speaker 1: It's actually getting to eleven fift pm on Tuesday September

1002
01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:48,920
Speaker 1: and you're recording this at eight am or nine am

1003
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:51,880
Speaker 1: for you in the morning, so we are literally ahead

1004
01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:56,080
Speaker 1: of you. Heed the warning. Look at what happens in

1005
01:01:56,400 --> 01:02:00,280
Speaker 1: the days ahead of you if you do not do

1006
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:03,840
Speaker 1: not change the direction the country is going in. And

1007
01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:06,120
Speaker 1: where can people find your work if they if they

1008
01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:08,240
Speaker 1: want to, you know, look at some of your footage,

1009
01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:09,920
Speaker 1: if if they want to read some of your stuff.

1010
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:14,000
Speaker 1: Where can people find your work and support you? Um,

1011
01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:17,600
Speaker 1: so rebel news dot com dot IU that's the Australian

1012
01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:21,760
Speaker 1: Rebel News. Um. But yeah, it's always changing. You never

1013
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:23,960
Speaker 1: know who's going to stop us next. But at the moment,

1014
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:29,640
Speaker 1: I'm on Twitter, I'm on Instagram, I'm on YouTube. But

1015
01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:33,120
Speaker 1: rebel news is this and what are your handles there

1016
01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:38,160
Speaker 1: at AUSRAELI ave is? I think most of them are

1017
01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:42,600
Speaker 1: at AUSRAELI have you Minium? Just search it up otherwise,

1018
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Speaker 1: rebel news dot com dot I use always a safe one.

1019
01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:49,640
Speaker 1: All my work goes up there. Um, this is fascinating.

1020
01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:53,560
Speaker 1: I really appreciate your insight and giving us a closer

1021
01:02:53,600 --> 01:02:56,000
Speaker 1: look at what's going on in Australia. We'll say a

1022
01:02:56,040 --> 01:02:59,800
Speaker 1: prayer for you uh and your family during this crazy

1023
01:02:59,800 --> 01:03:02,360
Speaker 1: time times. Thank you so much and I appreciate you

1024
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:12,200
Speaker 1: having me on. I want to thank Avia Minnie again

1025
01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:16,840
Speaker 1: for such an incredible interview uh in ee opening interview,

1026
01:03:17,640 --> 01:03:19,080
Speaker 1: and I want to thank you guys at home for

1027
01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:22,160
Speaker 1: listening to the show. If you enjoyed the show, please

1028
01:03:22,240 --> 01:03:25,000
Speaker 1: leave us a review and give us five stars on

1029
01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:27,840
Speaker 1: Apple Podcast. It means a lot when you review, It

1030
01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:30,200
Speaker 1: means a lot when you rate the show. You can

1031
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:32,680
Speaker 1: also find me on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram and at

1032
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Speaker 1: least some re booth special thanks to our producer John Cassio,

1033
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Speaker 1: writer Aaron Kleigman, or researcher Rebecca how and our executive

1034
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Speaker 1: producers Debbie Meyers and speaker new Genkridge, all part of

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Speaker 1: the Gingridge three sixty network and team