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Speaker 1: Yeah, wrapping up podcast, Elliot, will sis just be that

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Speaker 1: beat out?

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Speaker 2: What's up?

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Speaker 3: Baby?

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Speaker 2: Oh you're back? Huh, I'm back at the back of

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Speaker 2: the intro.

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Speaker 1: Baby, I'm back, man, I'm yeah. I had to pay

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Speaker 1: that ransom for free you yo, man, I apologize to you,

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Speaker 1: be that. I apologize to our producer Laura. I apologize

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Speaker 1: to the super listeners out there. I'm back, man, be

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Speaker 1: that I had to send me down my little intervention. Man,

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Speaker 1: I'm a little more focused right now. Man, my body

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Speaker 1: is strong nowt thanks to beat Out. Thank you be

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Speaker 1: life after rolland shouldn't be so love?

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Speaker 2: Is it wrong for me fifty two to be a

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Speaker 2: rolling loud beat out? Is it wrong for me to

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Speaker 2: run down these artists? Is nothing wrong with that?

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Speaker 3: Man? Get your role on.

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Speaker 1: You know the ageism in hip hop? Man, God damn it, man,

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Speaker 1: God damn. I'm too old for rap. I'm older than rap.

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Speaker 1: Fifty a birthday. I'm older than rap.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 2: Man, it's all good. No, you're back, So that's what's

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Speaker 2: coming back.

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Speaker 1: That's all it cows, man. But you know, we got

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Speaker 1: a lot of releasebout that. I was curious know what

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Speaker 1: you thought about the new NAS man, Nas and Hippoy.

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Speaker 1: I know Magic you has said was like one of

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Speaker 1: I wanted to get your thoughts on Magic Too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I said, Magic the O G

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Speaker 2: version is the best NAS album in the last twenty years.

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Speaker 2: I'm standing by that.

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, that's a strong statement.

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Speaker 2: I think after God's Son, Yeah, definitely that's the best project.

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Speaker 2: But wow, as far as Magic Too, it's just I

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Speaker 2: don't think it's It's not as strong as the first one.

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Speaker 2: It's not as not bad, but I also think that

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Speaker 2: I feel like if you don't deliver that, it kind

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Speaker 2: of falls short. But overall, I think it's a decent project.

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Speaker 2: I don't but I don't think it's better than the first.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think same thing. I don't think it's as

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Speaker 1: look like a lot like I like the pistols on

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Speaker 1: even though if he's not really rapping rapping. I like

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Speaker 1: that Fifty comes in and pops his ship. Uh, there's

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Speaker 2: I feel like it's mixed on that verse, but he

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Speaker 1: That, but I like that. But I love the fact that,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, but it's another solid effort from hip boy

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Speaker 1: That's a lot to digest on that record going on.

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Speaker 1: It's a lot going on that I got some favorites

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't say that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not. I'm not there with that yet.

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Speaker 1: I'm still there with I'm team Gunner right now, still

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Speaker 2: But Kevin, Mike gonna come for you, but he's been

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Speaker 1: I think killing mice in the conversation. Still also, Travis

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Speaker 2: But you know, I get spins already. But I think

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Speaker 1: I see a lot of people compare it to like,

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Speaker 1: So it's almost like yez this sonically with like uh

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Speaker 3: Man, it's crazy. It's like a puzzle.

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Speaker 2: And speaking of features, I think the person's on the

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Speaker 1: Man, who she's killing it? Her is savage.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 2: It just I ain't gonna put out album because only

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Speaker 2: or killing they killed out of your Cardi's killing it man.

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Speaker 3: They gotta respect Cardi.

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Speaker 1: Man, and they'll be drawing those on those stage man

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Speaker 1: with that mic, Man, what is so informed with that?

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Speaker 3: Way she did that.

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Speaker 2: I was like, Yo, I don't know what's up with

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Speaker 1: These days, the fans gotta stop that. Man, They gotta

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 1: You act like you got some sense out of here? Man,

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Speaker 1: what is the artists gonna pop it in your head.

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Speaker 3: Back like this?

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Speaker 2: In the nineties man, artist and yo, they showed the

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Speaker 2: one you remember, the one when fifty jumped in the crowd,

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Speaker 1: I'll send it to you one way. He's in some

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Speaker 1: They beat up whoever does? I think fifty took somebody

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Speaker 2: That sounds pretty superhero the day.

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Speaker 1: You you'll getting loved up out of investing with these artists.

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Speaker 3: Man, word up.

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Speaker 1: We speaking of tough guys.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 1: But this tough guy, you know, he's he's grown into

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Speaker 2: I'm talking about I got a snow man. Man, your

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Speaker 2: jeezy y minus the bullshit, life is great.

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Speaker 3: Yo.

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Speaker 2: What's the life You said about what he's making for

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Speaker 2: the rappers back in the day, nigga, Yo, there's no

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Speaker 2: rapper that hates rappers more than jez Man. He hates rappers.

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Speaker 2: He wasn't embraced in the beginning. Man, there's no way

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Speaker 2: that's nobody had a different style. Man, it don't gonna

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Speaker 2: be Jodie Brees.

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Speaker 3: It was.

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Speaker 1: It was geez Man.

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Speaker 2: That's a fact that it stills jesz Man. You know,

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Speaker 2: it's crazy twenty years almost and you know he's still

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Speaker 2: making moves and he got this new book right now

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Speaker 2: that uh. I think by the time this drops, this

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Speaker 2: will be out Adversity for sale. And it's a good

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Speaker 2: it's a page turner. It's a really good book.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 1: I got benjamindals Ingram helped him out with a little bit.

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Speaker 1: It's a great read.

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Speaker 1: I read you both read it like the PDFs on

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Speaker 1: the plane right in Flos, but we're the early copies

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Speaker 2: Yeah, ready in a day, it was. It was a

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Speaker 2: page turn I couldn't really put it down. It was like, Okay,

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Speaker 2: this is interesting and you know, just getting his perspective

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Still has such a great interview now, man, I think

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Speaker 1: that's funny because he for many years he didn't talk

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Speaker 3: Was the fact that right?

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Speaker 1: But I remember I sat with him at twenty eleven

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Speaker 1: all his interviews, it's like he's very captivating, you know, speaker,

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Speaker 1: So it's really it's really dope and it's really great

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Speaker 2: And the thing was surprised me the most. I'm like, Damn,

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Speaker 2: Jesus was really getting a lot of money back in

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Speaker 2: these days. But I'm glad he made the transition into

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Speaker 1: He definitely chose the right one. It was great talking

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Speaker 1: with him too, right, we could have did another.

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Speaker 2: Hour, so absolutely, but he chose the right podcast to

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Speaker 3: So let's get into.

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Speaker 1: You go, Let's get into a mad special conversation with

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Speaker 1: the one to know.

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Speaker 2: The Jerzy on the Rap Raid All Podcasts. Yeah, you

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Speaker 2: know it's the Rap Raid All podcast. My name is

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Speaker 2: beat I Elliott Wilson Elliott. It's sunny out here, but

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Speaker 2: it's a heavy chance of snow right now. Yes, serious, sir, No, Man, Jesu,

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Speaker 2: what's up brother? How you feeling the grass? He's an author?

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Speaker 2: Beat out, Yes, sir, a lot of right there, A

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Speaker 2: long time coming back.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's say what made you finally finally do it?

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Speaker 1: You tease it our snowfall to you said, somebody could

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Speaker 1: I could have.

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Speaker 4: A book something I think? I mean, you know, I've

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Speaker 4: been writing, you know, music for so long. It's just

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Speaker 4: these are extended stories. So it was the next thing

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Speaker 4: out a way to continue to tell my story, but

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Speaker 4: do it from a perspective of how can I spread

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Speaker 4: some knowledge? Because with music, you know, you can kind

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Speaker 4: your point, right, and you could do songs on top

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Speaker 4: of that, but you still got to talk about the lifestyle,

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Speaker 4: but you don't really get the depth of how you felt,

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Speaker 4: what you really went through. So so the book form

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Speaker 4: It's like how this applies to you? What can you

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Speaker 4: Nobody can tell you how to start something. You know,

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Speaker 4: Like when you're expressing and you sharing yourself, it brings

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Speaker 4: and you're just trying to deal with this every day,

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00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:31,560
Speaker 4: which is.

442
00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:33,440
Speaker 3: Causing you to be a certain way.

443
00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:36,600
Speaker 4: Right, and now you fucking up your relationships because people

444
00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:39,080
Speaker 4: feel like they don't they don't know you. You know what

445
00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:40,960
Speaker 4: I mean, They can't get close to you, right, you

446
00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:43,199
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. So now it was like, who

447
00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:44,840
Speaker 4: wants to help somebody don't know?

448
00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:48,040
Speaker 2: You felt like a family member reading the book because

449
00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:50,080
Speaker 2: you brought us back to Hawkinsville.

450
00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:56,200
Speaker 3: Yes, introduce to your grandmother love and all your crazy cousins.

451
00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:59,919
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, I already know those.

452
00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:08,280
Speaker 3: I already know. But little sisters said, why are you

453
00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:10,560
Speaker 3: telling everything? I said? What you beats my life.

454
00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:12,800
Speaker 4: I don't know what else I'm gonna talk about it.

455
00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:14,879
Speaker 4: I don't understand. This is how I saw it, right.

456
00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:16,880
Speaker 2: I thought it was funny when you was talking about

457
00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:19,640
Speaker 2: how your cousin you got into trouble and he took

458
00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:20,359
Speaker 2: the dog ship.

459
00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:24,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, and threw it on me and beat me up. Yeah,

460
00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:26,359
Speaker 4: because that was my you know what's crazy? And that

461
00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:29,879
Speaker 4: was my first lesson about loyty. You know what I'm saying,

462
00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:32,600
Speaker 4: because what happened and I talk about in the book,

463
00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:34,760
Speaker 4: is this my older cousin. He was getting money, loved

464
00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:37,320
Speaker 4: and respected him. He's actually the one that taught me

465
00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:40,440
Speaker 4: how to love music because he had turntables. He was

466
00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:42,879
Speaker 4: always mixing, scratching and I used to watch him and

467
00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:45,040
Speaker 4: I try to do it. But anyway, you know, they

468
00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:46,560
Speaker 4: was getting money or whatever, and it was like the

469
00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:48,719
Speaker 4: big guys in the town. He had a girl he

470
00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:50,960
Speaker 4: was dating that was from there, but he had brought

471
00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:54,160
Speaker 4: another girl with him, so I didn't I'm a kid,

472
00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:55,679
Speaker 4: I don't know, you know what I'm saying. So she

473
00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:57,359
Speaker 4: you know, no, I'm a little cussed. She's like, what

474
00:18:57,400 --> 00:18:58,800
Speaker 4: are your cousin now? I was like, well, he around

475
00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:01,000
Speaker 4: the corner with the other girl, you know. So I

476
00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:04,159
Speaker 4: basically told him right. And then when he came and he,

477
00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:05,879
Speaker 4: you know, he tried to rough me up. I'm like,

478
00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:08,200
Speaker 4: what I do because I didn't understand. I thought I

479
00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:11,200
Speaker 4: was supposed to tell the truth, right, And it really

480
00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:13,880
Speaker 4: hurt me. Because this is somebody I respect, and I've

481
00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:16,439
Speaker 4: never seen that side of him, but you know, and

482
00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:18,439
Speaker 4: then you know, my grandmother tried to break it up

483
00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:20,520
Speaker 4: as much as she could. So I took off running,

484
00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:23,280
Speaker 4: ran through the neighborhood. And the point about it, he

485
00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:28,600
Speaker 4: was really fast, and I didn't know where the hell

486
00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:30,399
Speaker 4: he learned karate from, because he hit me with like

487
00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:32,639
Speaker 4: two of these, and then the roundhouse kicked me, and

488
00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:35,480
Speaker 4: then he threw a bunch of dog shit and smug

489
00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:37,600
Speaker 4: on me, and Ship and all the homies in the neighborhood.

490
00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:39,360
Speaker 4: They were supposed to help me, but they was running too.

491
00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:41,760
Speaker 4: And I told my grandma, I was like, he embarrassed

492
00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:46,440
Speaker 4: me so much. He's like, baby, keep your mouth shut,

493
00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:49,040
Speaker 4: don't be telling on nobody. I was like, I thought

494
00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:52,000
Speaker 4: I did. I learned it from there. That was That

495
00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:54,560
Speaker 4: was one of the lessons I learned, Like, you don't

496
00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:56,960
Speaker 4: tell nobody else business. It's better for you just to

497
00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:59,920
Speaker 4: say I don't know, right, And that stuck with me forever.

498
00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:01,960
Speaker 4: So even now you can ask me about somebody else

499
00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:04,359
Speaker 4: in the interview, that ain't none of my spiritual business.

500
00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:07,080
Speaker 4: That's why I speak on nobody up to my interview.

501
00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:11,119
Speaker 4: Like what Kanye got doing though? Are you going to

502
00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:11,800
Speaker 4: pay for the brother?

503
00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:14,320
Speaker 3: Are you and that cousin in a better space nowadays? Nah?

504
00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:15,000
Speaker 3: I mean we know what.

505
00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:17,080
Speaker 4: We haven't seen each other in a long time, you know.

506
00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:19,360
Speaker 4: And the thing you got to understand about me, man,

507
00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:22,440
Speaker 4: this is all coming from a place of I had

508
00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:24,000
Speaker 4: to forgive myself for a lot of the things I

509
00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:25,400
Speaker 4: want to do, So I don't got no ill will

510
00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:27,280
Speaker 4: like life is so amazing for me right now. I

511
00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:29,399
Speaker 4: don't even I ain't you can not like me. I

512
00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:31,359
Speaker 4: wouldn't even care, you know what I'm saying. They ain't

513
00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:35,440
Speaker 4: even I don't even choose to accept that type of energy, right.

514
00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:39,040
Speaker 4: But life takes you through so many twist and turns

515
00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:42,600
Speaker 4: that sometimes you're not able to connect and have those

516
00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:44,320
Speaker 4: conversations to see where you're at with it. So I

517
00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:46,200
Speaker 4: don't even know who we're at, you know what I'm saying.

518
00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:47,720
Speaker 3: All I just know he just beat my ass.

519
00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:52,080
Speaker 4: He apologized, and I was just so we clear now

520
00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:53,680
Speaker 4: it wasn't like I was thirteen in that, because you

521
00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:56,080
Speaker 4: know that right that'd been a problem. I was like

522
00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:58,840
Speaker 4: seven eight, Just so we clear, he was about about thirty.

523
00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:01,000
Speaker 4: I want to put that out there.

524
00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:04,200
Speaker 1: But on the music front, I like how you also

525
00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:06,159
Speaker 1: you very clear, like you know, we the generation now

526
00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:07,520
Speaker 1: where people think, oh the it's gonna get on and

527
00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:09,439
Speaker 1: make a big record and be in a mixed You

528
00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:11,840
Speaker 1: speak a lot about you know, not being good yet

529
00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:14,119
Speaker 1: as a rapper and improving and going through the swarm

530
00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:16,439
Speaker 1: process to kind of develop your sound, your voice.

531
00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:18,400
Speaker 3: You had a different type of style.

532
00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:20,080
Speaker 1: And always tell people a lot of times to hip hop,

533
00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:21,679
Speaker 1: they think it's gonna be some guy and ends up

534
00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:23,280
Speaker 1: being another one. Like I feel like they thought it

535
00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:25,040
Speaker 1: was gonna be Jodie Breed. Yeah yeah, yeah, it was

536
00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:26,719
Speaker 1: young Jeezy. Yeah yeah, you know what I'm saying. So

537
00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:27,920
Speaker 1: can you speak to that a little bit? But I

538
00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:29,919
Speaker 1: think what I think is so so determined? Why are

539
00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:31,119
Speaker 1: we so determined to Okay?

540
00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:34,080
Speaker 4: Well this this was separated, Like I don't know why

541
00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:36,199
Speaker 4: they were doing music, but I was doing music, Beau.

542
00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:38,080
Speaker 4: I didn't want go to prison, and that was like

543
00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:40,280
Speaker 4: knocking in my doorstep. And I definitely didn't want to

544
00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:42,640
Speaker 4: get caught up in what was happening with my homiecause

545
00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:44,879
Speaker 4: I was losing homies left and right. It was getting killed.

546
00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:46,960
Speaker 4: The fears were picking people up. So for me, it

547
00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:50,040
Speaker 4: was like, now we'll never and put everything you got

548
00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:51,919
Speaker 4: into this. And it wasn't like I was the best.

549
00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:54,439
Speaker 4: I just knew that my stories was real and I

550
00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:57,840
Speaker 4: knew how to articulate them in a way that they're

551
00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:00,760
Speaker 4: resonated with people right because it felt like something.

552
00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:02,159
Speaker 3: It wasn't just something you listened to.

553
00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:03,960
Speaker 4: And that was a lot that I learned from pop

554
00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:07,119
Speaker 4: because when Park was making music, the difference between everything

555
00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:09,000
Speaker 4: that was on Death Row was I felt him. I

556
00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:11,359
Speaker 4: loved Snoop. You know, Doggie Style is one of the

557
00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:14,720
Speaker 4: best albums ever. But you listen to mcavelly all eyes

558
00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:18,840
Speaker 4: on Me like Me against the World, like it's something.

559
00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:21,960
Speaker 4: It's rebellious music. It's like you're not gonna hold me down,

560
00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:25,199
Speaker 4: You're not gonna stop me. Learn Yeah, And that was

561
00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:27,880
Speaker 4: like the draw for me because it was like, I'm

562
00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:29,840
Speaker 4: just gonna give him everything I got. And by the way,

563
00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:32,280
Speaker 4: the reason why I was giving him everything is I

564
00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:34,440
Speaker 4: just wanted to be heard. So look at it like this,

565
00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:39,840
Speaker 4: I'm thinking, if I can give them the best of

566
00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:42,440
Speaker 4: all of me, even if I was to get indicted,

567
00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:45,680
Speaker 4: or even if something was to happen to me, this

568
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:48,200
Speaker 4: will be here the musical life, I won't be forgotten

569
00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:52,240
Speaker 4: so much so that I remember one time I was

570
00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:55,360
Speaker 4: going to New York. This was between T one on

571
00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:59,160
Speaker 4: one and The Inspiration and I was working on Inspiration

572
00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:03,160
Speaker 4: second album, second album, and the lady who was working

573
00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:05,320
Speaker 4: for me at the time was supposed to come to

574
00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:07,920
Speaker 4: New York too, right, And this is before I knew

575
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:10,440
Speaker 4: about backing your drives up, and me and her got

576
00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:13,840
Speaker 4: into the biggest argument at the airport, like when we

577
00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:16,840
Speaker 4: landed in New York, because I was like, yo, you

578
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,479
Speaker 4: had to drive on the plane with me. What if

579
00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:24,639
Speaker 4: the plane went down, drive on the plane or if

580
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:28,280
Speaker 4: the driving go down together, nobody's going ahead the Inspirations.

581
00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:30,399
Speaker 3: And that's how serious I was.

582
00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:33,320
Speaker 4: I just wanted to be heard and that was and

583
00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:36,199
Speaker 4: and to me, like that's that was the fulfillment because

584
00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:39,320
Speaker 4: I knew I wasn't a rapper, like I wasn't rapping rhymes,

585
00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:42,480
Speaker 4: but I just knew how much I understood music and

586
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:45,040
Speaker 4: how much music helped me live, and how much I

587
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:47,560
Speaker 4: learned from music because when people just listened to it

588
00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:50,000
Speaker 4: and bob their head, like I heard the message, I

589
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:52,040
Speaker 4: heard the sermon. You know what I'm saying I winded

590
00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:54,280
Speaker 4: back and what he say, Okay, how does that apply

591
00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:54,520
Speaker 4: to me?

592
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:55,480
Speaker 3: Right?

593
00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:57,359
Speaker 4: Even when I started hustling, it was like, you know,

594
00:23:57,800 --> 00:23:59,719
Speaker 4: master P and Baby didn't know it, but shit, they

595
00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:00,840
Speaker 4: was weren't helping.

596
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:01,560
Speaker 3: Me work it out.

597
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:05,360
Speaker 4: I was taking what they were saying and applying it

598
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:07,760
Speaker 4: to what I was doing, right, And that's how I

599
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:12,720
Speaker 4: knew how far to visualize that I can go because

600
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:15,440
Speaker 4: where I was coming from, you know, the cap was

601
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 4: so so low right the ceiling, But listening to those guys,

602
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:22,639
Speaker 4: it was like the sky was the limit because the

603
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:24,080
Speaker 4: things that they were talking about. I was like, yo,

604
00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:25,919
Speaker 4: I want that. I can get that. You know, I

605
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 4: had two three rolexes back then. I'm seventeen eighteen, I

606
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:32,320
Speaker 4: had three full lexuses and Benz and BMW's like. But

607
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:34,960
Speaker 4: in my mind, the people where I was coming from

608
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,159
Speaker 4: didn't see that type of stuff because they didn't have access.

609
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,000
Speaker 4: So the only way I had access to it was

610
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 4: through the music. So that's why I believed it to

611
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:43,560
Speaker 4: be true and to know that this is something that

612
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:46,520
Speaker 4: I could do. Because if I'm watching juvenile them on TV,

613
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:49,400
Speaker 4: they in the hood in a Ferrari, I'm like that's

614
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:52,720
Speaker 4: got to be me next, right, But.

615
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:54,640
Speaker 2: In the book you said the first songs you wrote,

616
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:57,960
Speaker 2: thousands of them were trash, right, tell me his point, like,

617
00:24:57,960 --> 00:24:59,520
Speaker 2: how did you get better as a songwriter?

618
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:03,440
Speaker 4: I got desperate because I was spending all my money

619
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 4: right because I already was trying to be a CEO.

620
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:06,360
Speaker 3: That didn't work.

621
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 4: Some of my artists went to prison, some of the

622
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,400
Speaker 4: artists went back to the hood. It was just a mess,

623
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:12,280
Speaker 4: and I was just stuck with the studio, so I

624
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:15,119
Speaker 4: had nothing but time to like just try to keep

625
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:17,880
Speaker 4: figuring out how to do what I'm trying to do.

626
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 4: And it wasn't until again that transparency came that I

627
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:25,239
Speaker 4: found myself because I was just like, why am I

628
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:27,240
Speaker 4: trying to be somebody that I'm not, you know what

629
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:29,480
Speaker 4: I'm saying? Why am I talking about things and trying

630
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:31,720
Speaker 4: to put words together to sound like I'm so talented

631
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 4: and we all know that's not the case, but I'm real,

632
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:35,120
Speaker 4: So why.

633
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:36,120
Speaker 3: Don't we just talk about that?

634
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:37,800
Speaker 4: And I got to give it up to Coach Keke

635
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,000
Speaker 4: because we like around that time, Coach was like, bro, like,

636
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:42,000
Speaker 4: you really out here doing this shit, you might want

637
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 4: to start talking about it and I was like, yeah,

638
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 4: you're right, but I was scared because I felt like

639
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 4: it was dry snitching. And then also I felt like

640
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 4: I was putting myself in a line of fire. So

641
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:55,920
Speaker 4: that's why I was pressing so hard because I knew

642
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:58,639
Speaker 4: that I only had, you know, a certain amount of

643
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 4: time or a certain window for.

644
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:04,199
Speaker 3: This to be successful. For it and imploded on me.

645
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, because now I'm telling people

646
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:07,640
Speaker 4: what I'm really doing.

647
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,400
Speaker 3: You have a great story about t. I tell you.

648
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 1: Can't be doing both things at a certain point. Yeah,

649
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:16,359
Speaker 1: really to see that message at that time.

650
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, te I put up to the studio, and

651
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 4: you got to understand, like Tip was like so big

652
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:23,520
Speaker 4: at the time, like you know he was doing you

653
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:26,240
Speaker 4: had the Beanie Man record and you know it just

654
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,119
Speaker 4: Atlanta was all about Tip, right, and I was getting

655
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 4: my foot in the game. And you know, when he

656
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 4: would come around, you know, I would kind of just

657
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:36,399
Speaker 4: kind of watch how he would do things because he

658
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 4: was already an artist. I was trying to be artist, right,

659
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,399
Speaker 4: And I remember I told him come through the studio.

660
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 4: He put up on me and we in there. You know,

661
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:45,919
Speaker 4: that was my spot. So basically, like you know, if

662
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,400
Speaker 4: this was the building, it was secure, so I would

663
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:50,399
Speaker 4: still be running my plays from the studio, like I

664
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 4: was hustling, right, and still trying to make music because

665
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:56,400
Speaker 4: now I can make music while I'm hustling, and then

666
00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 4: you know, kind of stay out of the way. And

667
00:26:58,080 --> 00:26:59,640
Speaker 4: that was my thing, like as long as I stay

668
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 4: head or whatever. He came, and he came and saw

669
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 4: the money in the studio in the booth, and he

670
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:04,639
Speaker 4: was just like, yo, let me talk to you.

671
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 3: Walked outside in the bathroom.

672
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 4: He's just like, Bro, you said you're gonna make it,

673
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 4: but you can't do both right, And what you were

674
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:15,479
Speaker 4: saying about me being kind of resistant to that in

675
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 4: my mind, you know, because I'm still a street guy.

676
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 3: I'm thinking he trying to trick me.

677
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 4: So he can make the play and you competition, right,

678
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:28,159
Speaker 4: And one time I realized that wouldn't to be.

679
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:30,640
Speaker 3: That wasn't the truth I thought about it.

680
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:32,680
Speaker 4: I was having a bunch of nightmares at the time,

681
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,399
Speaker 4: like real serious nightmares, Like I was really stressing, like

682
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 4: I was drinking, I was smoking, I was like sixty

683
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 4: pounds overweight. I was just like I was depressed and

684
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 4: didn't know it. And I had this flip phone like

685
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 4: the next tail turp, and I just remember waking up

686
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:47,400
Speaker 4: one day just full of sweat, and I was just like, man,

687
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:50,160
Speaker 4: I got I gotta do something, and I went cold turkey.

688
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 3: So I threw the phone away.

689
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,440
Speaker 4: So by me throwing the phone away, I couldn't contact

690
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:56,680
Speaker 4: the people who owed me money. So I basically left

691
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 4: my money in the streets that people owed me and

692
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:01,359
Speaker 4: they still owe me to this day.

693
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. You know I forgot I

694
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 3: still got some letends somewhere. I know what the hell's

695
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 3: going on.

696
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 4: And I left the money in the streets because that

697
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:11,440
Speaker 4: was the only because I felt like if I got it,

698
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 4: I would continue to do what I do, right, So

699
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 4: I went cold turkey. And it was the hardest decision

700
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 4: I ever made in my life, man, because I'm gonna

701
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:21,719
Speaker 4: be honest, like I was so scared. Like when when

702
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:23,359
Speaker 4: I say scared, Like because I'm taking care of my

703
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 4: mom and my sister, I'm putt my sisters to school,

704
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:27,639
Speaker 4: I'm taking care of my family, I'm taking care of

705
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:29,679
Speaker 4: my bills. I got a whole cruel people that depend

706
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 4: on me. And now I'm basically saying I'm gonna go

707
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 4: chaste this dream that we all know that it's like

708
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 4: a half a percent chance that you might make it right.

709
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 4: And even if you do make it, how you're going

710
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 4: to sustain that? Because now I'm not even an artist,

711
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 4: So I'm really like, how do I keep writing records?

712
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 4: And I don't think people understood that. The reason why

713
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 4: my albums were so spread out is I had to

714
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 4: go live and then talk about where I was living.

715
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 4: I couldn't just go in the studio and right. I

716
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 4: had to have inspiration. So that's what you know. Took

717
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 4: so long with the records, which was better for me

718
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 4: because every step of life I would learn something and

719
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 4: I would put it into music.

720
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 3: And that's what happened.

721
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 4: Around the recession, I like I started to learn more

722
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 4: about what was going on in the world. You're talking

723
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 4: about a person who didn't know what day it was.

724
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 4: I'm not saying dead of the week. I'm saying dead

725
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 4: a month. I could be walking around. I wouldn't even

726
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 4: know because I was just living like I didn't care,

727
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 4: Like I as long as I get up, I gotta

728
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 4: do what I gotta do. I didn't keep up with

729
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 4: anything that was going on in the world. I didn't

730
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 4: know anything. I just knew what was going on in

731
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 4: my bubble, what was going on in the streets, and

732
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 4: what I needed to watch out for, and who was

733
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 4: getting picked up and who was getting let out and

734
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 4: all that's all that mattered to me, because I was

735
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 4: just like really trying to keep up with it because

736
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 4: I didn't want to get caught up, you know what

737
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 4: I'm saying, And you know, shout out the tip because

738
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 4: I don't think I could have accepted that from anybody

739
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 4: else because I because for him to tell me, when

740
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 4: he was where he was in his career that I

741
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 4: got a chance to make it, you know, really made

742
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 4: me consider it right, you know, and and it made

743
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 4: me like think about it, like, Okay, what's what's what's

744
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 4: the chances of you making it?

745
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 3: Okay?

746
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 4: So you you got that, But if you don't make

747
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 4: it right and you continue to do what you're gonna do,

748
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 4: what's the chances of that, that's like ninety nine point

749
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 4: nine percent. Like I'm not gonna be able to beat

750
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 4: that system, right, So now I got to lean over this.

751
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 4: And you're going over here with no skill set. You

752
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 4: don't know how to make records, you don't you know.

753
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:15,719
Speaker 3: What I mean?

754
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 4: You ain't got no producers, you know. I mean I

755
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 4: had a few people that was around, but God willing,

756
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 4: like I just looked up on like the Justice League

757
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 4: and Don Cannon, Charlie Red and all these people. They

758
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 4: just came at one time and it was just like

759
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 4: I had everything I needed and now it was time

760
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 4: for me to go to work.

761
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 1: The guy had made that dram left right record about that.

762
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 3: That was he was on fire. Yeah, so he was

763
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 3: on fire. I can't I can't care he was. He

764
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 3: was the guy.

765
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 2: It's funny because in the book you overemphasized you said

766
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 2: street money is short money, no matter how much you're

767
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 2: bringing in, right, So I took that away. I was like, Okay,

768
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 2: you really went cold turkey and yeah, invest in your craft.

769
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, but that was gonna say.

770
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 2: But something I also found that was noteworthy is like

771
00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 2: how much you spent investing in that spent? I spent millions, bro,

772
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 2: Like how much like before your debut, how did you

773
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 2: think that you invested? Spent about about three and a

774
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 2: half four million. But look at but but look at it,

775
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 2: but can you speak to you know what I'm saying.

776
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 2: But it was like the best for a million dollars,

777
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 2: but it was. But can you speak to that part

778
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 2: of the guard because a lot of rappers, you know,

779
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 2: they just think investing invested in themselves with the money

780
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 2: and spending to.

781
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 3: Well this is the thing. And again.

782
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 4: I didn't know that I was investing in myself. I

783
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 4: just know that I didn't want to go get what

784
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 4: people around me thought was the way because I can't

785
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 4: scale that. Like I would hear my cousins them go

786
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 4: get like beauty salons and barbershops and things like that.

787
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 4: But I'm like, that's not gonna change my life. So

788
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 4: what can I do to change my life? I got

789
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 4: one shot. I understand music. You know what I'm saying.

790
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:49,959
Speaker 4: I know how to hear it and know what it is,

791
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 4: so I'm gonna go with that. So I didn't realize

792
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 4: that I was investing in myself until like later on.

793
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 4: But I thought that I was just putting the money

794
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 4: in the place to give me an opportunity to be legitimate,

795
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 4: right because I had houses, I had cars, but all

796
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 4: my calls like my causes, my daddy name, my condo,

797
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 4: penthouse was and some guy that played for the Braves

798
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 4: that I never met that was dealing with this chick

799
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 4: that I knew that I paid her to get him

800
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 4: to sign it.

801
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 3: So I had nothing that was mine.

802
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 4: And my goal was how do I legitimize myself and

803
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 4: be able to do these things for myself?

804
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 3: Right? And that's what I lean more towards.

805
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 4: But what I will say about street money being short money,

806
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 4: it doesn't go far. It doesn't go past the clubs.

807
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 4: It doesn't go past the strippers, you know what I'm saying.

808
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 4: It doesn't go past the dealerships, it doesn't go past

809
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 4: you know, the credit bureau. Don't give a damn about

810
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 4: how much money you got under your mattress, you know

811
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. And then it's hard to hide it.

812
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 4: It's hard to trust people with it. It's hard to

813
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 4: put it up. I put money in my sister's abboct

814
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 4: no addict, no more so anybody listening.

815
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 3: There's nothing there.

816
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 4: And her husband at the time. I put it in

817
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 4: there for like three years. Her husband at the time

818
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 4: figured out a way to get into safe. I don't

819
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 4: know how to hear you figured it out. So when

820
00:32:57,920 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 4: I go up there, you know, a couple of years later,

821
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 4: when I fall to some hard times to go get

822
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 4: the bread.

823
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 3: You know it's there. I know it's there. It's not there,

824
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 3: it's not there.

825
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 4: And and I know my sister would never like this

826
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 4: is my heart. She would never do nothing. So therefore

827
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 4: I knew it had to be him. And I called her.

828
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 4: I was like, wall, yeah, I'm about to park it

829
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 4: right now. I'm about to put him apart. And she said,

830
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 4: she said, I love you, bro. I don't want this

831
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 4: guy to mess up your life because if you do that,

832
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 4: you already know what comes with that. And I said,

833
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 4: what are we gonna do? And the reallyship she ever said,

834
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 4: is I call you back. When she called me back,

835
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 4: she's like, hey, I'm getting a divorce. I just want

836
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 4: you to know. That was the reallyship ever. She had

837
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 4: two kids, you know what I'm saying. So that was like,

838
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 4: that was like the realest ship in the world of me,

839
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 4: because I mean, you know, this is your family, but

840
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 4: he stole from your brother, right And in order for me,

841
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 4: I had to hurt this man.

842
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

843
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 4: She's making a move to say, we just gonna disassociate

844
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 4: ourselves with So that put me back in the street.

845
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 4: But what I mean by that is ain't no insurance

846
00:33:58,760 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 4: on that money.

847
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

848
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 4: If it had been an the count or something, I

849
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 4: could have figured something out. But now it's gone, you

850
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying.

851
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 3: And what do you do? Now?

852
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 4: You got to go back out here in the streets

853
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 4: because the rap money ain't coming in.

854
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:10,360
Speaker 3: And you got to figure it out.

855
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 4: And I would tell anybody if're getting street money, it's cool,

856
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 4: but just make sure you got some type of plan right,

857
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 4: and put a real timeline on that plan, not a

858
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 4: dollar amount of timeline, because you know, if you're staying

859
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 4: something too long, something's bound to happen, right and God willing,

860
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 4: Like I don't know how I was able to avoid

861
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 4: a lot of things. And that's why I really knew

862
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:35,319
Speaker 4: I had a purpose because I used to pray all

863
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 4: the time, be like why then I get caught up here?

864
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:40,240
Speaker 3: Why didn't this happen? Why didn't that happen?

865
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 4: And I'm just like, hold up, I'm supposed to be

866
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 4: here to do this, because now you're wondering why you're

867
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 4: successful in music, right, you know you wasn't rapping before,

868
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:51,959
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, But now you got something

869
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 4: to say and you send back and you're going, damn,

870
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 4: I gotta take this. I gotta take this serious, like

871
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 4: I'm in a position of leadership. This is real, right,

872
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 4: And which is why started to turn the wheel on

873
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:03,799
Speaker 4: my message, because all I knew was where I came

874
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 4: from and the struggle and the gangsters, you know, and

875
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 4: all that.

876
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 3: And now I'm like, hold.

877
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 4: Up, like I can lead us out of here, why

878
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 4: would I turn around and take us back into what

879
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 4: we're coming out of. Let's let's figure out a way

880
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 4: to get out of here. And that's when the message

881
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:20,240
Speaker 4: started to change, and that's when the movement started to change.

882
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 4: And a lot of people just wasn't with that because

883
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 4: they was comfortable with where we was.

884
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 3: Going because that suited them.

885
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 4: But it didn't suit me because I knew that I

886
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 4: had a bigger vision, right, and the vision wasn't not

887
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 4: to be in the penitentiary or get caught up and

888
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 4: some ship that you know, I couldn't get out of,

889
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 4: and that was what I was trying to do.

890
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 2: One of the big visions was you and this guy

891
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 2: DJ Drama revolutionizing the mixtape game, an investment like beat

892
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 2: I was saying, like, you know, you're giving this tape

893
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 2: these tapes out for free, yes, and that impact on

894
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,879
Speaker 2: the world hundreds of thousands, that's unprecedented.

895
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 4: Right streets is watching. I did two hundred thousand and trampade.

896
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 4: I pressed up five hundred thousand CDs and I gave

897
00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:01,320
Speaker 4: them out for free everywhere I went. But I remember

898
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 4: tricked that in and Jazzy fabying like, why would you

899
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 4: ever do that? And I'm just like man because like

900
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 4: and by and in that point, I just wanted to

901
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 4: be heard, right, So I was willing to take that

902
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 4: risk of giving it away because the money that was

903
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 4: to be made wasn't on the front end, it was

904
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:21,719
Speaker 4: on the back end.

905
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 3: I just need the people to hear my music.

906
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 4: And then, by the way, to hit me with DJ

907
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:29,280
Speaker 4: Drama because at the time he was the biggest thing movie.

908
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:31,799
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. You know, I had to

909
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:33,799
Speaker 3: kind of bait him in. He was a little he was.

910
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 4: Fron he said it wasn't but he was frightened.

911
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 3: Let me tell you ye, he's run. He's different.

912
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 1: Got But even now to this day, like when dramas

913
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 1: Uh does this thing with Todd the Creator and he

914
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 1: wins a Grammy, do you do you still feel connected

915
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:53,319
Speaker 1: to that the gates and grills, and I.

916
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 3: Don't know about that. I ain't get no grammy man,

917
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 3: I said.

918
00:36:57,880 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 4: You know, when I saw that ship, I was like,

919
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 4: you know, and to be honest, like, I'm really proud

920
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 4: of drummer Man because I know where he came from.

921
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:04,839
Speaker 3: I know what we've been through.

922
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 4: But like he's making some different types of strides, like

923
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 4: you know, Grabby off of mixed tape. He got a

924
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:13,919
Speaker 4: successful label. I mean, it just says a lot about him,

925
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. But and shout out to

926
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 4: Tyler too, because I mean, I'm like, damn, I did

927
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:21,240
Speaker 4: millions of exta grills. I ain't never get no grammy,

928
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:23,799
Speaker 4: So I got to figure out one out.

929
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:27,320
Speaker 2: But like you said earlier, you know your cousin was

930
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 2: a DJ and you tried to handle DJ.

931
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 3: Yes, why did like pursue that I love music? You know,

932
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 3: I was.

933
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 4: I hustled up because I used to go and my

934
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 4: cousin lived in Decatur in Atlanta on the East Side,

935
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 4: and uh, you know, they was getting real money, so

936
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 4: they brought their mom a big mansion. You know, that

937
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 4: was like the biggest house in the family. So we

938
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 4: all would go to their house on the weekends. Sometimes

939
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:51,280
Speaker 4: he would just be in there going crazy on the turntable.

940
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 4: This is what I learned about AMG, DJ Quick Planet Rock.

941
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 4: You know, I never knew about it with Jay mixtapes

942
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 4: and all that stuff until I was watching with was doing.

943
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 4: And they always had like the Flyers cars in their garage,

944
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 4: and I was just always go look at the leather,

945
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 4: look at the car, and then he would be on

946
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 4: the turntables. He'd be like, you want to try, and

947
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 4: I'd be like yeah, So I just started trying. I

948
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 4: was fell in love with it and going through the

949
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 4: records when he's like mixing. I picked the records for

950
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 4: him and he'd be like, Yo, get me this, and

951
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 4: I'll go through and get it.

952
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 3: And I just loved it.

953
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,319
Speaker 4: And I hustled up some money to go get my

954
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 4: own set, and my grandmother let me put it on

955
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 4: the dresser in the in the in the room me

956
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 4: and my cousin was on So I had my two

957
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 4: turntable cases, my turntables in there and my mix in

958
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:34,280
Speaker 4: the middle. Then I had like this like raggedy stereo

959
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:36,879
Speaker 4: speaker that I had bought from radio Shack and then

960
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,840
Speaker 4: and what I would do was I was so into

961
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 4: what I was doing, but I was still hustling. I

962
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:44,839
Speaker 4: would come in at night and just take my money

963
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 4: out of my pocket and put it in the case

964
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 4: under the case, right because who's going to look under there?

965
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 3: And that was my thing.

966
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:53,320
Speaker 4: And I was just like I would get up sometime

967
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 4: before school mix and then for a while, they would

968
00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:59,800
Speaker 4: like throw parties in the hood and I would be

969
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 4: the DJ. Wow you yeah cool video that DJ. Yeah,

970
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 4: no bullshit. I'll get on somebody's front pords. He'll plug

971
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 4: them like little speakers up and I'll sit there and

972
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 4: I'll DJ. And it was like that was like my thing. Bro,

973
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:16,320
Speaker 4: I did that, and I wasn't getting no money, you

974
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:17,799
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. But I was just like I

975
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 4: loved it.

976
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 3: But you didn't want to pursue it further, like as a.

977
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 4: Well, I just I'm gonna be honest, Like the DJ part,

978
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 4: like I love for music, but the DJ part was,

979
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 4: you know, and no disrespect the DJs.

980
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:29,439
Speaker 3: I didn't.

981
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 4: I just didn't see no future in the money of that,

982
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:33,919
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. Yeah, especially then it wasn't

983
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 4: no DJ dramas, DJ kells and none of that you

984
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:36,399
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying.

985
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 3: It was just DJ's.

986
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 4: There were DJ and in the local club and they

987
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 4: probably get a couple of hundred dollars. And to me,

988
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 4: like that just wasn't what I was trying to, you know,

989
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 4: trying to do. I saw the bigger picture. I saw

990
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 4: what like what Baby then was doing and what jay

991
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 4: Z and them was doing.

992
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 3: That's what fascinated me. Can you still DJ? Yeah? Yeah,

993
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 3: you doing parties?

994
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 4: I mean, listen to the money right, the money right

995
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 4: forty birthday. But the crazy thing is like you see

996
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 4: what like Shack and Snoop is doing, you know what

997
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 4: I'm saying. And that's all because of their love for music.

998
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 4: You know, Shack ain't got a DJ, Snoop and got

999
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 4: a DJ, but they love it. You know, you're gonna

1000
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 4: hear a Snoop Dogg. Shit, you're gonna hear he's a

1001
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 4: music connoisseur. You're gonna hear what he loves.

1002
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 1: They said, Shack be doing it, he be doing by

1003
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 1: he go in the room DJ and yeah was the

1004
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 1: show going on?

1005
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, Shack is Shack is crazy.

1006
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, and he's like you know he's big in that

1007
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 4: that ed M stuff and It's just like, because he

1008
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 4: called me when they was in LA It's like, come

1009
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 4: to one of my parties, and I went, and I

1010
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 4: was just like, damn, you know what I mean. But

1011
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 4: at the same time, it's just like, you just know

1012
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 4: he loves music, but I don't know, like I feel

1013
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 4: like I can throw a couple gangster parties.

1014
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:43,319
Speaker 3: So if you need me, you know what I'm saying,

1015
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 3: let me know, letting me know that's what's uping.

1016
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 2: You know, you mentioned some of the guys early, like

1017
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 2: Cash Money and Trick Daddy and UGK and all those guys.

1018
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 2: How meaningful was it to have those people on your

1019
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:57,880
Speaker 2: debut album?

1020
00:40:58,080 --> 00:40:59,879
Speaker 3: A lot? I mean shout out to Bun.

1021
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,439
Speaker 4: He was probably one of the first features I had,

1022
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 4: and I got hooked up through the streets from my

1023
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 4: guy west Side Blue, the New d Money, the New Bun.

1024
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:09,919
Speaker 4: I was like always big fans of Bun and Pimp.

1025
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:11,879
Speaker 4: And that's why I learned that from my cousin because

1026
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 4: he came through. He had this rental car and you know,

1027
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 4: and he was playing front back inside the side. It

1028
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:20,240
Speaker 4: was that and that's how I kind of got into UGK,

1029
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,840
Speaker 4: just listening to what they was doing and like the

1030
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 4: whole cash Money era.

1031
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:26,919
Speaker 3: You know, it was just.

1032
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 4: I don't know what it was with what they was doing,

1033
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:34,319
Speaker 4: but it just intrigued me. Right, it was so fascinating,

1034
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 4: you know what I mean to see and that's what

1035
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 4: made me just have a love for it. So like

1036
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:40,799
Speaker 4: when I did, like who do I get on the

1037
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 4: first day?

1038
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:42,359
Speaker 3: One man.

1039
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:47,919
Speaker 4: Trick Daddy right on there and then jay Z right, yeah,

1040
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 4: that was big.

1041
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:51,359
Speaker 3: Why you had the best jay Z collapse? I know.

1042
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 4: Because he had to come with it. You know, if

1043
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:57,399
Speaker 4: I was a Brooklyn guy, I would have been from

1044
00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 4: Marsie too.

1045
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 3: I'm just put it out there crazy to seeing it

1046
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 3: all go crazy crazy? Yeah, yeah, that's my guy. I

1047
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:06,799
Speaker 3: think I got him on see it All.

1048
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 4: I'm just gonna keep it at start.

1049
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 3: Ship you how I got him seeing it all?

1050
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 2: I think I got him ship I rememther you had

1051
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 2: that lyrics said I got more records with JA.

1052
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,879
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I think I got him. He was either

1053
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 4: seeing it all I got him all or realistic want

1054
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 4: to do I got one.

1055
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 3: Realist guests my that's very undertrad.

1056
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but I was the BT Awards right open

1057
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 1: the show, open the show, that's seen it all no,

1058
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:38,839
Speaker 1: it was no wheels and guests.

1059
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:41,760
Speaker 3: I thought, no, we didn't see it all in Atlanta.

1060
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 4: He came and then the thing was like, you know,

1061
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 4: I was listening to Jade, and when I was like

1062
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 4: I was listening to Ain't No Nigga and all that ship,

1063
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:52,320
Speaker 4: I was like bagging up and getting money. So it

1064
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 4: was so far fetched to think that you would be

1065
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 4: in a position to even do records with him. And

1066
00:42:58,280 --> 00:42:59,959
Speaker 4: it's like I grew up listening to the Little Wayne,

1067
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:01,279
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. Like, so it was just

1068
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 4: so far fetched. You know, I talk about it in

1069
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 4: the book. But when I when I first when uh

1070
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:09,400
Speaker 4: Boo and Gotti first brought me around, baby, I ran

1071
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 4: to the crib, got my pours, you know what I mean,

1072
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 4: through my fake uh I threw all my diamonds on,

1073
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:17,720
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. I came to the studio

1074
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 4: and I'm like, this is my chance. And as soon

1075
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:21,959
Speaker 4: as I started talking to this nigga, baby, my grill

1076
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 4: fell out.

1077
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:25,840
Speaker 2: It's like, you look like, who the fuck is this clowny?

1078
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 2: This is something I didn't know. I was surprised to

1079
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:30,919
Speaker 2: learn that Little Wayne inspired your name.

1080
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:33,240
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, I didn't know that either Yeah, it seemed

1081
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:35,360
Speaker 3: like you would be, but it wasn't obvious at all.

1082
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 4: It was their whole movement because you know when they

1083
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 4: had like BG and they call him begs G. Yeah, Wayne,

1084
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:43,759
Speaker 4: they call him Weezy, and it was like a thing

1085
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 4: that was going on at the time. And I was

1086
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 4: just like people used to kind of call me that

1087
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 4: back in the day because my voice was so raspy

1088
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 4: in school. So I was just like, yo, I'm just

1089
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 4: gonna go with this. And then I remember calling my man.

1090
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 4: I was like yo, because Little j was like with

1091
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:00,720
Speaker 4: my grandmother called me right. So that was only nickname

1092
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 4: I really had in the neighborhood. And all my homies

1093
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 4: used to call me dog. I don't know where that

1094
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:07,359
Speaker 4: came from. And then down in a Lot of Deal

1095
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:09,280
Speaker 4: because I was down in a lot of Deal hustling,

1096
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 4: they used to call me bling because I used to

1097
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:14,400
Speaker 4: be the guy coming down with the diamonds and the cars,

1098
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:16,400
Speaker 4: and that's just what they knew me by because I

1099
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:18,799
Speaker 4: didn't want them to know my real name just in case,

1100
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 4: so that was my street name. When I told my

1101
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 4: guy was like, you know, it's going to be young jeez.

1102
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 4: He was like, yeah, I like that.

1103
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 3: I like that it took him getting used to though, Yeah,

1104
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:28,320
Speaker 3: it took them getting used to.

1105
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 1: I remember itself had the site going on, and I

1106
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 1: think Sycamore Roll to Colin was like the rap games

1107
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 1: now run by Yeezy, Wheezy and Jeezy.

1108
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's.

1109
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 4: Time and even you know, even like doing records. But

1110
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 4: like Kanye, it was just like you know, because when

1111
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:45,240
Speaker 4: he came over to the label, it's just like everything

1112
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 4: was about Kanye. But for him to respect my musical ear,

1113
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, was dope. And if you

1114
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:53,919
Speaker 4: really think about Jeff Jam as a whole, in my era,

1115
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 4: there was nobody I didn't co sign, from Rihanna to

1116
00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 4: Christina Million to anybody that was on Death Jam. I

1117
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:05,760
Speaker 4: did record with him, from Kanye to Neo to whoever.

1118
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:07,800
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, you get a dream like

1119
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 4: everybody was on there some Yeah, But I loved it though,

1120
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:14,319
Speaker 4: because when I came, like you know and shout out

1121
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 4: to La Reid, he was running the most legitimate, legit

1122
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 4: mob I've ever seen.

1123
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 3: That's what he had. A mob.

1124
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 4: He had all these different entities out doing their thing,

1125
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 4: but he was able to get us to come together

1126
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 4: and like stand as a front, right and to keep

1127
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:29,359
Speaker 4: each other hot.

1128
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 3: You know what I mean.

1129
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 4: I think that's what the game is missing now because

1130
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 4: when you have that, you're able to build because you're

1131
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 4: able to keep You know, if my stuff is slowing down,

1132
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 4: me hopping on a song, Rihanna's gonna help me, you

1133
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. If Kanye is slowing down, him

1134
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:46,359
Speaker 4: coming to do put On with me is gonna help.

1135
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 4: And he just ran it like that. And one thing

1136
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 4: about La Reid, I'm going ahead and put it out there.

1137
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:52,800
Speaker 4: He paid his superstars like superstar.

1138
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 3: Yeah. One thing about that guy, he's not holding that money.

1139
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 3: He not holding that money. Man. He like whatever you

1140
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:06,880
Speaker 3: in a great exact side and be che up a

1141
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 3: little bit.

1142
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 1: Man talking about shaking the book man, Yeah, yeah, you

1143
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 1: said one thing about about him. You said something like,

1144
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:15,800
Speaker 1: if you have one more thing to say about listening

1145
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 1: and learning or loving and learning or something you say

1146
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 1: to him.

1147
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:22,320
Speaker 3: Well, I was. I was saying that I would and

1148
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:23,879
Speaker 3: long lived shake.

1149
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 4: I was saying that, and I learned that on this

1150
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 4: half of my life now before then, because it's black men,

1151
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 4: we just feel like we could take on the world

1152
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 4: and were so were so tough and we're so good

1153
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 4: that we don't talk to each other about what we're

1154
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 4: going through. And I didn't know he was going through something.

1155
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 4: So if I could do something again, I would have

1156
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 4: took the time to take the time to like, you know,

1157
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 4: be there with him and get in there with him

1158
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 4: and understand and like talk to him and really like

1159
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 4: ask real questions instead of like just the mediacre stuff

1160
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:53,799
Speaker 4: we asked you good. It's just like, you know, I'm

1161
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 4: seeing you moving different, bro, Like are you really okay?

1162
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:58,239
Speaker 4: Like are you really all right? And I ain't get

1163
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 4: a chance to do that. And even when I got

1164
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 4: the call, like it was, it was so surreal because

1165
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:06,400
Speaker 4: in the back of my mind, I'm like he was

1166
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:09,800
Speaker 4: acting different, right, but not enough for me to like,

1167
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 4: I think it was that level right right, And.

1168
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:16,319
Speaker 3: You know, it's just beautiful soul. Man.

1169
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 4: Shake lit up every shake lit up every room. Everybody

1170
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:21,840
Speaker 4: loved him. He was always happy, he was always smiling,

1171
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 4: he always had jokes. And what that just taught me

1172
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 4: is you just never know what somebody's going through, man,

1173
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 4: So you have to see people.

1174
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 3: You have to see him.

1175
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:31,319
Speaker 4: And I make that a point, like even when I'm

1176
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:33,880
Speaker 4: out and I'm running into people. Used to be like

1177
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 4: I might dad, somebody up and keep it moving. No,

1178
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 4: actually that mother and hey, man, what's going on? Good?

1179
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:41,719
Speaker 3: His family? Wife, good, because his kids good? How you

1180
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 3: feeling okay? What's new?

1181
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 4: And just you know, see them because a lot of

1182
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:49,400
Speaker 4: times people aren't seen, you know they can be. And

1183
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 4: I've been one of those. I've been everywhere with a

1184
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:53,759
Speaker 4: hundred people and still alone, you know what i mean,

1185
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 4: still lonely, still in my head about things that I

1186
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 4: know I can't talk to nobody around me about because

1187
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:00,759
Speaker 4: considered weak.

1188
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, You can't.

1189
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:04,319
Speaker 4: Talk to the wolves about you know what I'm saying,

1190
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 4: like it doesn't work right what Shalla Bay said, the

1191
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:09,319
Speaker 4: wolves don't make great house pets.

1192
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:14,279
Speaker 2: I can tell you're so effected by his passion because

1193
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 2: like a snowfall on King's crowme, you said, you call

1194
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:17,360
Speaker 2: his phone.

1195
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:20,360
Speaker 3: Just like yeah, and I go, you know it's even sadder,

1196
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 3: bro like.

1197
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:23,280
Speaker 4: And I say this because I go through my phone

1198
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 4: sometimes and like be looking for somebody number, put like

1199
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:28,400
Speaker 4: an s or this or that it didn't happened with

1200
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:29,239
Speaker 4: my mom the other day.

1201
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:30,879
Speaker 3: It's just like it's so many people.

1202
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:32,400
Speaker 4: And I don't want to erase the numbers because I

1203
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:34,319
Speaker 4: don't want to forget these people that I love.

1204
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 3: But I've lost so many people. Man, It's it's so crazy.

1205
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 4: When you just go through my phone and just look

1206
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 4: at all the people that are going you just be

1207
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 4: like damn, like you know, even like Nip, like Nip

1208
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:47,439
Speaker 4: text me before it happened, I ain't even I didn't

1209
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 4: even get a chance to hit him back, you know

1210
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:49,759
Speaker 4: what I'm saying.

1211
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:53,399
Speaker 3: Like it was just sometimes you got to slow down

1212
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:54,879
Speaker 3: and take time to take care of people.

1213
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 2: Man.

1214
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:57,320
Speaker 3: It just can't be all about you and what you

1215
00:48:57,400 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 3: got going on.

1216
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 4: And I promised myself every album or anything musically I

1217
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 4: do from that point on, that Shake would be the

1218
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 4: executive to do something. You know what I'm saying, because

1219
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 4: he changed my life. He saved my life. He was

1220
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 4: the one that convinced la Reading him to sign me.

1221
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:16,359
Speaker 4: If he didn't sign me, I would have been in prison.

1222
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 4: This is one thousand. That's a no brainer. It was happening.

1223
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 4: It was going down in real time, you know what

1224
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 4: I'm saying. When people start getting indicted. The only thing

1225
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 4: that I had was music, right, and now I got

1226
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 4: a label behind me and they're pushing it, and now

1227
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:30,320
Speaker 4: I'm becoming this superstar.

1228
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:32,799
Speaker 3: That was all because of Shake. That wasn't He ain't

1229
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 3: had nothing to do with me. You know.

1230
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 4: He was the one that was in the streets. He

1231
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 4: saw me, and he saw what I was doing, and

1232
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 4: by the time I got up to the label, it

1233
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 4: was already understood. It wouldn't a whole lot of conversation.

1234
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 4: It was like he was the vice president at the time,

1235
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 4: something like that, getting onto it. He was LA's right

1236
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 4: hand man. So he really made my deal happen. It

1237
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 4: was like that, I went up there and I came home.

1238
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:56,279
Speaker 3: I had a deal. I bought my mom my house,

1239
00:49:57,200 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 3: and the rest was his. You know what I'm saying.

1240
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 2: You had mentioned just Nipsey on DJ Drama's album on

1241
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 2: the song Raised Different. Yeah, you said it was hard

1242
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:09,719
Speaker 2: to do this song. Yeah, yeah, really one of the

1243
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 2: best versus this year.

1244
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:14,880
Speaker 4: Yeah. I kind of felt like I just don't want

1245
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:22,359
Speaker 4: to normalize just having to to praise our brothers from

1246
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:26,799
Speaker 4: the other side, you know what I'm saying, because all

1247
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 4: these guys are good guys. Man, Nipsy Dobe, you know,

1248
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 4: Vaughn h take Off. I mean, you know, especially him,

1249
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 4: he wouldn't it just you know, it's just like damn,

1250
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 4: like so young, too soon, and I would rather be

1251
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 4: talking and nip than doing a record and him not

1252
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:51,239
Speaker 4: being here no more, you feel what I'm saying. Same

1253
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 4: thing like with bank Roll Fresh, It's like I'd rather

1254
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 4: have that conversation than the record. And it was like,

1255
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:01,799
Speaker 4: I remember when I did that record, was the same

1256
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:03,839
Speaker 4: day there was Bearing Takeoff, and that's why I said

1257
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 4: that on the record. I'm like, yo, they buryed take

1258
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 4: Off today. Let me pay my respect, you know what

1259
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:12,279
Speaker 4: I'm saying. And the crazy thing is, you know, I

1260
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 4: don't really I know that people had to pick side

1261
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 4: when everything was going on. So it was one point

1262
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:19,480
Speaker 4: where I was really kind of cool with them, and

1263
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 4: then it just started to get kind of blurred and

1264
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:24,359
Speaker 4: weird because they had to stand where they had to stand,

1265
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 4: which I understand. But I always had genuine love for

1266
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:28,799
Speaker 4: those guys, you know what I'm saying, Like, I love

1267
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:30,719
Speaker 4: what they did, I love what they brought from the city,

1268
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 4: but I wasn't able to get as close to them

1269
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:35,960
Speaker 4: as I wanted, right because I think that you know,

1270
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 4: despite of the politics, you know, I would have been

1271
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:42,279
Speaker 4: the one that would have been offering advice on how

1272
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 4: they was moving right, because to me, what happened with

1273
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 4: Takeoff doesn't make sense, right. It doesn't that you're the

1274
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 4: biggest group in the world, like you're the Black Beatles, Like,

1275
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 4: let's let's talk about how they move right. Not that

1276
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:57,759
Speaker 4: you got to take my advice, but I at least

1277
00:51:57,760 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 4: want to put that out there.

1278
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 3: So it was, it was, it was. It was a

1279
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 3: deep blow for that.

1280
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:05,760
Speaker 4: And even when me and Boosy did the Rocketman remix,

1281
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:07,879
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, it was just like damn,

1282
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:12,279
Speaker 4: Like what can I say on my part because it's like, damn,

1283
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 4: I'm tired of like rapping about my brothers, my people,

1284
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:18,920
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, and them not being here

1285
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 4: no more. And that's what the book is really about,

1286
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 4: Like you got to navigate through this stuff, bro, Like

1287
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:26,319
Speaker 4: you got to make it, like cause if you don't

1288
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:28,440
Speaker 4: make it, you didn't win the game, you know what

1289
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 4: I'm saying. So you have to make it, and you

1290
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 4: have to know what you're up against, and you have

1291
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 4: to understand that we are not exempt from anything because

1292
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:39,360
Speaker 4: we've made names for ourselves like you actually become a

1293
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:42,439
Speaker 4: bigger target. Right, so you're not exempt. You're not gonna

1294
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 4: go nowhere. Nobody ain't gonna you know, try you or

1295
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:47,840
Speaker 4: do something because you you don't work like that.

1296
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:51,360
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. It's like it's egos involved

1297
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 3: and these people have no conflict resolution.

1298
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 4: Conflict means that one of us got to go, you

1299
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:01,279
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, And that's it shouldn't be that way,

1300
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 4: but that's the way the game is, right because music

1301
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 4: is the new streets.

1302
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:06,800
Speaker 3: It is.

1303
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:09,319
Speaker 4: It ain't no streets, no more, nobody standing on no corners,

1304
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 4: ain't nobody no trap houses. Everybody moving around the world,

1305
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:15,400
Speaker 4: plenty money, plenty of power, and you know, you're getting

1306
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 4: into things that you're dealing with people who are just

1307
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:20,360
Speaker 4: as aggressive as you, you know what I'm saying, just

1308
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:23,840
Speaker 4: as resourceful as you. And that's what that's when you

1309
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:26,800
Speaker 4: get the egos gliding because it's a lot of power.

1310
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:29,240
Speaker 4: It's almost like the rock going to somebody else's country

1311
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 4: and them getting into a you know, verbal altercation.

1312
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 3: It got to have some type of.

1313
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 4: Understanding to it that you can have a conversation without

1314
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 4: it coming to a right you know what, I'm saying

1315
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:44,719
Speaker 4: to a head and you know, and I just see

1316
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 4: them in the same thing. When I think about Nip,

1317
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 4: I'm like, man like, Nick was a good dude. And

1318
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:54,760
Speaker 4: I remember that I was home in La when that happened.

1319
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 4: I've never seen La so dark. When Kobe died and

1320
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 4: Nip died. You felt it everywhere in the grocery store

1321
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:03,520
Speaker 4: to the corner store.

1322
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:06,360
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. The doorman at the house, we.

1323
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 1: Feel because we have these great interviews with him, so

1324
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:10,879
Speaker 1: when people see us, you carry that weight.

1325
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:12,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's real.

1326
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:14,919
Speaker 4: And even when I went to his funeral, man, yeah,

1327
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:18,880
Speaker 4: house like wow, bro like, and I hate to see that.

1328
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 4: It takes you not to be here no more for

1329
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:24,279
Speaker 4: people to see how great you are, you know what

1330
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 4: I'm saying. Because people felt his greatness like you felt

1331
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 4: the people that was with him, Like the way that

1332
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 4: people stood outside is hurst rolled through the way, the

1333
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 4: whole arena was full, a staple center was just it

1334
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 4: was like you felt them in there. Bro, you know

1335
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:41,920
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. And it's just like I don't I

1336
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:44,319
Speaker 4: don't know, my god, he got Stevie wanted to come

1337
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:47,400
Speaker 4: out and sing in his funeral. Like, that's that's that's legendary,

1338
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, But I hate it has

1339
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:49,799
Speaker 4: to happen that way.

1340
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:52,320
Speaker 2: It was sobering in the book when you said, like

1341
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 2: when you watch the Air Force ones video but air.

1342
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:58,360
Speaker 3: Force excuse me video, you said that most of the

1343
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:01,359
Speaker 3: people in the video are dead, Yeah, or was incarcerated

1344
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 3: the time. Yeah, Well, you know what it is. It's

1345
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:08,920
Speaker 3: like a man, it's like, we all sign on for

1346
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:09,880
Speaker 3: what we signed on for.

1347
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 4: It's like going to Vietnam or going to Iraq to

1348
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:15,279
Speaker 4: fight for something that you believe to be right.

1349
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:18,200
Speaker 3: You're going to be casualties, you know what I'm saying.

1350
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 4: And the consequences, the consequences of it, and it's just like,

1351
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:26,759
Speaker 4: you know, you got to imagine how much PSD postraumatic

1352
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:29,640
Speaker 4: stress they're coming back with. So imagine how much postraumatic

1353
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 4: stress we have, right because these are people you love too,

1354
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:36,120
Speaker 4: this is your brothers, and by some type of circumstances,

1355
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 4: they're no longer with us, so they're no longer free,

1356
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:40,279
Speaker 4: and you just got to be like damn. But then

1357
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:43,320
Speaker 4: you got to keep going, right because you can't stop.

1358
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:45,400
Speaker 4: If you stop, then it was all in vain for you,

1359
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:48,800
Speaker 4: because everybody had their own mission and their own goals

1360
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:52,160
Speaker 4: and their own vision. Mine was to become what I'm becoming,

1361
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:54,880
Speaker 4: and to be able to lead by example and be

1362
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:55,680
Speaker 4: able to pour.

1363
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:58,239
Speaker 3: Back and lean into my people, right.

1364
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:01,800
Speaker 4: And I couldn't let that throw me off because we

1365
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:04,759
Speaker 4: all sign up for that because it could have been me. Right,

1366
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:07,200
Speaker 4: So you just stay prayed up, and you just stay

1367
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 4: moving on your path and just hoping that you know,

1368
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:11,719
Speaker 4: you don't get caught up in some things.

1369
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:12,880
Speaker 3: But it was.

1370
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 4: It's crazy now even still. And by the way, I

1371
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:16,880
Speaker 4: don't really even watch a lot of my old videos

1372
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:18,759
Speaker 4: because of that type of stuff. Like it's hard for

1373
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:20,960
Speaker 4: me to watch Go get a and see Secure stand

1374
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:22,080
Speaker 4: at the table with his feed up.

1375
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:24,720
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. It's like, you know, it's

1376
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:26,440
Speaker 3: those moments for me. You know what I'm saying. A

1377
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:30,040
Speaker 3: video did watch before you came? Was over here? Okay?

1378
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:32,600
Speaker 2: That song to me has like a real significance to

1379
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:34,879
Speaker 2: your career, as with a bum bee. Yeah, And it's

1380
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:37,839
Speaker 2: like initially that song didn't go over as well as

1381
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:40,560
Speaker 2: you intended, but eventually it did. You know, these days

1382
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:43,840
Speaker 2: people kind of abandoned the record that they feel it

1383
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:45,960
Speaker 2: doesn't work, you know, it's not getting traction.

1384
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:49,440
Speaker 3: Can you speak to that, like sticking to a song

1385
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:52,320
Speaker 3: that you believe in and it eventually came on. So

1386
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 3: let me tell you it wasn't me. Rest in Peace.

1387
00:56:56,400 --> 00:57:00,319
Speaker 4: DJ Fernando, which was the Magic City Monday's DJ, broke

1388
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:03,279
Speaker 4: really all my music in Magic City. He was the

1389
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:05,759
Speaker 4: one that was like, I'm gonna break this record and

1390
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:08,400
Speaker 4: he never let up and he played over here. And

1391
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:09,839
Speaker 4: when we used to play it, I used to get

1392
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:12,040
Speaker 4: to the back of the club because I was like embarrassed,

1393
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:15,000
Speaker 4: anxious and everything because it was like, I'm this dude

1394
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:18,520
Speaker 4: to just get money and I'm trying to wrap you know.

1395
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 4: It kind of feels corny. And I was shy, not

1396
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:25,080
Speaker 4: in the street syst but like the music says, I

1397
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:27,800
Speaker 4: was shy, you know what I mean. And I always

1398
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:29,480
Speaker 4: like play the back and he would always be like,

1399
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 4: I'm telling you what's gonna happen. And I remember walking

1400
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 4: in there one night and it was going up. The

1401
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:36,920
Speaker 4: dancers was dancing and he was playing. He was bringing

1402
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:39,640
Speaker 4: it back. He was like Jesus walked in the building.

1403
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:42,080
Speaker 4: He needed fifty thousand. I'm like, oh wait, wait, wait,

1404
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:45,520
Speaker 4: so it brought me fifty thousand, I throw the money

1405
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:48,040
Speaker 4: and mess it all up, and then that was our thing.

1406
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:49,920
Speaker 3: I was just coming to club like Jesus here need

1407
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:53,960
Speaker 3: eighty thousand. I'm like, that was our thing. We just

1408
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 3: go spend, you know.

1409
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 4: I was just going there and spend ten, twenty thirty,

1410
00:57:57,160 --> 00:57:59,120
Speaker 4: forty fifty thousand dollars every time I popped in.

1411
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 3: And that was like the marketing. And he believed in it.

1412
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:03,960
Speaker 4: He kept pushing the record, pressing the record, pressing the

1413
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 4: record until it just worked. And when one thing about Atlanta,

1414
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 4: if it work in Magic City, is gonna work everywhere.

1415
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:12,160
Speaker 4: And he did that like I didn't know how to

1416
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:15,480
Speaker 4: break a record. I just knew how to make the tapes.

1417
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:17,880
Speaker 4: But he was the one that was focusing on the record.

1418
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:20,640
Speaker 4: But what I will say is if you believe in something,

1419
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:22,600
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, you just got to try

1420
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:26,000
Speaker 4: every different way until you exhaust all avenues, because if

1421
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:29,000
Speaker 4: you walk away from it, you could be, you know,

1422
00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:32,040
Speaker 4: one week away from having a hit, you know what

1423
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:34,120
Speaker 4: I'm saying, And you just got to believe in it, right,

1424
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:35,880
Speaker 4: And I learned that two of my career because it

1425
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 4: would be like I would put a project out if

1426
00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:40,840
Speaker 4: it didn't move fast, I'll get discouraged, you know what

1427
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:42,959
Speaker 4: I'm saying. I kind of and it was like Sean

1428
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:45,360
Speaker 4: Pecko's you know Peck's, She's like, yo, man, got to

1429
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:47,800
Speaker 4: you gotta keep you know what I'm saying. I'm like, damn, man,

1430
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:50,560
Speaker 4: it ain't really working. And then it started working, you

1431
00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. So I started to notice, like

1432
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:56,640
Speaker 4: there's more after the first initial push, right, and even

1433
00:58:56,680 --> 00:58:59,000
Speaker 4: when the recessing dropped, it did well. But then I

1434
00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:01,840
Speaker 4: had my president as black on there, and Brock hadn't

1435
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:04,800
Speaker 4: won yet, and when he won, it took this record to.

1436
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:05,680
Speaker 3: A whole other level.

1437
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:08,480
Speaker 4: Right, the couple months in already, yeah, a couple of

1438
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:11,120
Speaker 4: months he wasn't even. He wasn't even, he didn't win yet.

1439
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:13,560
Speaker 4: But everybody kept trying to tell me to take the

1440
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:16,400
Speaker 4: record off, like there's no way for Rockets winning a

1441
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:17,280
Speaker 4: presidential election.

1442
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:21,200
Speaker 3: I'm like, he got to win. How is this going

1443
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:21,560
Speaker 3: to happen?

1444
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:24,800
Speaker 4: And I did that record and my president's black, and

1445
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:26,560
Speaker 4: when he won, I'll never forget it because I had

1446
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:27,400
Speaker 4: nads on the record.

1447
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:33,000
Speaker 3: Then your man hit me, yeah, you go do it that,

1448
00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:34,400
Speaker 3: I like, remix. Baby, let's go.

1449
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:39,200
Speaker 4: So we get to the inauguration and uh, we had

1450
00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:44,040
Speaker 4: a club loveer. I hadn't heard the verse yet. The

1451
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:46,480
Speaker 4: first time you heard the verse, Yeah, wow, you got

1452
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:48,560
Speaker 4: the verse and everybody was going crazy.

1453
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:50,200
Speaker 3: I was just like, this is crazy.

1454
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:52,000
Speaker 4: And I'm sitting there back. How you getting Nas on

1455
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:54,440
Speaker 4: the record and then get Jay on the remix, and.

1456
00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:55,919
Speaker 3: How you get John Lewis in the video.

1457
00:59:56,720 --> 00:59:59,320
Speaker 4: John Lewis is the realist bro shout out the gay

1458
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:02,400
Speaker 4: who directed the video. He called him, he came Wow, Yeah,

1459
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:04,280
Speaker 4: he wanted to be there because I got there late.

1460
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:08,000
Speaker 3: He was waiting on me. John was in the middle

1461
01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:11,160
Speaker 3: of the Hooduito chilling for real.

1462
01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:13,640
Speaker 4: And then and so much came out of that video

1463
01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:17,480
Speaker 4: because I remember I used to hear Jay talk about Emory,

1464
01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:20,840
Speaker 4: but I didn't know what the connection was. And Gabe

1465
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:22,800
Speaker 4: was like, Yo, we're gonna we got these signs, these

1466
01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:25,160
Speaker 4: something free Emory signs, and I'm just like, all right, cool,

1467
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:27,919
Speaker 4: And I remember he put the signs in the video.

1468
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:31,120
Speaker 4: And this is right before Emery got home, and which

1469
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:32,600
Speaker 4: was crazy because I was like, yeah, go ahead and

1470
01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:34,720
Speaker 4: do it. And then when Emory ended up getting out,

1471
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:38,120
Speaker 4: we end up connecting and I just was like, oh shit,

1472
01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:41,000
Speaker 4: and we end up being really cool based on the

1473
01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:44,200
Speaker 4: fact that I showed him some love there, and which

1474
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:47,560
Speaker 4: really made me respect Jay's movement more because now I'm

1475
01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:50,680
Speaker 4: talking to somebody who was actually a casualty. It's really

1476
01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:55,480
Speaker 4: just really basically saying, oh yeah, all that happened. So

1477
01:00:55,640 --> 01:00:59,400
Speaker 4: he's basically putting the credibility where we don't see it.

1478
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:01,400
Speaker 4: So now I'm standing and going like, oh, you guys

1479
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:03,480
Speaker 4: had a real thing going on, and you're really a

1480
01:01:03,560 --> 01:01:04,080
Speaker 4: solid guy.

1481
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:06,640
Speaker 3: You left, you came back. You ain't saying nothing crazy

1482
01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:09,919
Speaker 3: about this man. Everybody right, you know what I'm saying.

1483
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:14,080
Speaker 4: So that made me respect their their movement more. And

1484
01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:16,000
Speaker 4: then just to see the people that came out to

1485
01:01:16,080 --> 01:01:18,480
Speaker 4: that video, like to see how excited they was and

1486
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:21,920
Speaker 4: how cellibratory there was. It was just like it was

1487
01:01:22,040 --> 01:01:24,920
Speaker 4: magic Baby and shout out to booth thrmy he came

1488
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:26,240
Speaker 4: out there, cause you know, I was like as black

1489
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:27,120
Speaker 4: as my nigga boo.

1490
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:32,840
Speaker 2: This September acts the fifteenth anniversary of the recession.

1491
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:34,760
Speaker 3: Oh really yeah, yeah, I ain't know it's been that long.

1492
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:40,120
Speaker 4: Classic album Yeah yeah, to me, my best body of

1493
01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:44,120
Speaker 4: work I agree. Yeah, my best body of work. I mean,

1494
01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:46,640
Speaker 4: because of the effort that I put into it. And

1495
01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:48,600
Speaker 4: it's also the time of the shift in my life

1496
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:50,920
Speaker 4: because that's when I was like, you know, I was overweight,

1497
01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:54,040
Speaker 4: I was drinking water. I wasn't doing it. Like something

1498
01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:55,880
Speaker 4: just snapped in me around that time. You told me,

1499
01:01:55,960 --> 01:01:57,920
Speaker 4: what time you was just eating sushi? Right, Yeah, Hey,

1500
01:01:58,000 --> 01:01:59,160
Speaker 4: sushi that's all you would eat.

1501
01:01:59,400 --> 01:01:59,640
Speaker 3: That's it.

1502
01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:03,760
Speaker 4: And I started, you know, drinking water and taking care

1503
01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:07,120
Speaker 4: of myself and getting rest and I dropped like sixty

1504
01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:09,480
Speaker 4: pounds on my own. I started running, and so when

1505
01:02:09,480 --> 01:02:11,120
Speaker 4: all start, I just felt better. And that's when I

1506
01:02:11,240 --> 01:02:13,000
Speaker 4: was going in to write The Recession. I just was

1507
01:02:13,040 --> 01:02:16,920
Speaker 4: in such a good space because before then, between Trapper

1508
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:20,200
Speaker 4: Dye and up into the Recession, I was going through

1509
01:02:20,200 --> 01:02:22,280
Speaker 4: a lot of survivors remorse and I was real depressed,

1510
01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:24,120
Speaker 4: and I didn't know the word for depression then, you

1511
01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:26,120
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. I was real anxious, real paranoid,

1512
01:02:26,560 --> 01:02:29,120
Speaker 4: and I just had so many things going on with me,

1513
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:32,000
Speaker 4: so I wasn't clear on what I was doing. The

1514
01:02:32,080 --> 01:02:34,760
Speaker 4: Recession was the first time I was clear on gooringing

1515
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:36,720
Speaker 4: to write this project. I'm going to do some research.

1516
01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:38,480
Speaker 4: I'm going to understand it. I know what I want

1517
01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:40,120
Speaker 4: the album to cover look like. I know I want

1518
01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:42,880
Speaker 4: the sound to sound like. I want harmonies, I want this,

1519
01:02:43,080 --> 01:02:45,520
Speaker 4: I want midnight black beats. I want DJ I mean

1520
01:02:45,640 --> 01:02:47,640
Speaker 4: druma boy beats. Like I knew all that going in

1521
01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:49,840
Speaker 4: and the minute I was done, because it only took

1522
01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:51,400
Speaker 4: me like about four weeks to do it. When the

1523
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:53,800
Speaker 4: minute I was done, I knew I was done. I

1524
01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:55,920
Speaker 4: called my man Cool Boo roll Seen. I was like, yo,

1525
01:02:56,120 --> 01:02:57,200
Speaker 4: come up. He was in Houston.

1526
01:02:57,440 --> 01:02:59,160
Speaker 3: He flew up. I played it for him from front

1527
01:02:59,160 --> 01:03:00,680
Speaker 3: of the back. He was like, you done. I was like,

1528
01:03:00,760 --> 01:03:00,960
Speaker 3: I know.

1529
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:04,800
Speaker 2: I was just I'm still upset that done it All

1530
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:07,680
Speaker 2: didn't make the final cut. They done it all, done

1531
01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:08,000
Speaker 2: it all?

1532
01:03:08,080 --> 01:03:12,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, So the haull of motes, Uh, they was

1533
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:15,560
Speaker 4: taking some time to clear the sample, and I, this

1534
01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:17,680
Speaker 4: is the crazy thing. I kind of felt like it

1535
01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:19,840
Speaker 4: didn't belong on that really yeah, because I just it

1536
01:03:19,960 --> 01:03:22,080
Speaker 4: was it just signed sonically so different.

1537
01:03:22,120 --> 01:03:22,360
Speaker 3: Wow.

1538
01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:26,760
Speaker 4: So I put it on the mixtape, right, I think

1539
01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:30,440
Speaker 4: it was h trapping. Ain't dead trapping. He did them

1540
01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:33,280
Speaker 4: niggas just scared. I put on the mix and I

1541
01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:36,080
Speaker 4: went and I went to Detroit one day and some

1542
01:03:36,280 --> 01:03:39,560
Speaker 4: type of way when DJ played that ship and man.

1543
01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:42,040
Speaker 3: They love you, they love you, and Detroit it was

1544
01:03:43,120 --> 01:03:44,200
Speaker 3: real and I was just like yo.

1545
01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:46,640
Speaker 4: I was like, I was like, yo, can we put

1546
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:48,920
Speaker 4: on the album? It was like not on the physical,

1547
01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:51,600
Speaker 4: but you can put it on the streaming one. And

1548
01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:53,240
Speaker 4: I was like, yeah, let's do that, you know what

1549
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:55,280
Speaker 4: I'm saying. And that's how it got on. And it

1550
01:03:55,400 --> 01:03:57,040
Speaker 4: was because I went to Detroit and I saw it.

1551
01:03:57,200 --> 01:03:59,200
Speaker 4: Because I didn't I didn't. I love the record, shout

1552
01:03:59,240 --> 01:04:02,040
Speaker 4: out to justicleat loved the song, but it didn't sound

1553
01:04:02,120 --> 01:04:03,840
Speaker 4: like a rap song, you know what I'm saying. It

1554
01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:05,680
Speaker 4: didn't sound like what we was doing at the time.

1555
01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:08,800
Speaker 4: It sounded like it was, you know, in his own sandbox.

1556
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:10,520
Speaker 4: And I was just like, I don't know if it

1557
01:04:10,600 --> 01:04:12,400
Speaker 4: fits and where would we put it? And then when

1558
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:14,560
Speaker 4: I saw it in Detroit, I was like, man, we

1559
01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:16,439
Speaker 4: got to figure out something, you know what I'm saying.

1560
01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:19,600
Speaker 3: So we put it on the end of the record.

1561
01:04:19,720 --> 01:04:22,360
Speaker 4: And to me, if you asked me what's the best

1562
01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:24,720
Speaker 4: record I've ever recorded, I'll tell you it's done.

1563
01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:28,520
Speaker 3: To me because I felt every bar.

1564
01:04:28,600 --> 01:04:29,920
Speaker 2: And then I want to ask you about what your

1565
01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:32,640
Speaker 2: biggest guest appearance the Shorty Low record.

1566
01:04:33,040 --> 01:04:34,200
Speaker 1: Why do you think that? Why do you think that

1567
01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:36,960
Speaker 1: records becomes its own life like you do it live shows,

1568
01:04:37,040 --> 01:04:40,080
Speaker 1: like you own classics. Obviously, but this is a guest

1569
01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:43,080
Speaker 1: versus know. I just know shut out to Shorty Low

1570
01:04:43,240 --> 01:04:43,840
Speaker 1: long lived Low.

1571
01:04:43,960 --> 01:04:44,120
Speaker 3: I know.

1572
01:04:44,240 --> 01:04:47,200
Speaker 4: I was at Gregg Street show for promoting it might

1573
01:04:47,240 --> 01:04:50,800
Speaker 4: have been the Recession, and he played it on air

1574
01:04:50,920 --> 01:04:51,920
Speaker 4: and I just was sitting there.

1575
01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:55,600
Speaker 3: I was like, who the fuck is that Shorty little

1576
01:04:55,600 --> 01:04:55,959
Speaker 3: new record?

1577
01:04:55,960 --> 01:04:58,720
Speaker 4: You heard it? I was like no, And he played

1578
01:04:58,760 --> 01:04:59,960
Speaker 4: it again for him and I sat there and I

1579
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:02,160
Speaker 4: I remember reaching out to Low, like, hey man, I

1580
01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:07,040
Speaker 4: got a verse for you. Said yeah, I wrote, I

1581
01:05:07,120 --> 01:05:07,800
Speaker 4: wrote they know?

1582
01:05:08,720 --> 01:05:09,240
Speaker 3: Hold was it?

1583
01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:13,160
Speaker 4: Spanky? I wrote, they know? And I'm gonna do me

1584
01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:15,960
Speaker 4: remix in the same day. I did both of those

1585
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:19,480
Speaker 4: at the same time, and then and and then that

1586
01:05:19,560 --> 01:05:22,640
Speaker 4: came out. But to me the time that I was

1587
01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:25,200
Speaker 4: in when I did they know? Uh? And just what

1588
01:05:25,320 --> 01:05:26,960
Speaker 4: I was saying because I didn't write that, I just

1589
01:05:27,040 --> 01:05:28,960
Speaker 4: went into the studio and just did it. You know

1590
01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:30,160
Speaker 4: what I'm say Because I was trying to get it

1591
01:05:30,240 --> 01:05:34,000
Speaker 4: back to them. But it's just something about those horns

1592
01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:38,280
Speaker 4: and when it drops, it just captivates people and even me.

1593
01:05:38,520 --> 01:05:40,240
Speaker 3: Like, you get me hype every time. You know what

1594
01:05:40,280 --> 01:05:42,560
Speaker 3: I'm saying. It been like fifteen years. It'd be the

1595
01:05:42,600 --> 01:05:43,800
Speaker 3: same feeling no matter what.

1596
01:05:44,040 --> 01:05:46,360
Speaker 4: And when they brought up the BT, I was like, Yo,

1597
01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:48,800
Speaker 4: I could do one of my records, but I rather

1598
01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:52,439
Speaker 4: if you guys are gonna celebrate their life of young golf,

1599
01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:54,000
Speaker 4: let's let's do this as well.

1600
01:05:54,120 --> 01:05:56,200
Speaker 3: Because this is this is do it for.

1601
01:05:56,240 --> 01:05:59,439
Speaker 4: Shorty in the City. And I happened to love doing

1602
01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:01,280
Speaker 4: the song, right, you know what I'm saying. I'm quite

1603
01:06:01,320 --> 01:06:04,560
Speaker 4: sure everybody appreciate it and shout out to Jesse Collins.

1604
01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:08,000
Speaker 3: You like, let's do it by doing Yeah.

1605
01:06:10,360 --> 01:06:11,800
Speaker 2: In the book you said, you know, you wrote how

1606
01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:14,439
Speaker 2: you Feel one O one on the Can't Coop Flight

1607
01:06:14,560 --> 01:06:16,320
Speaker 2: infamous Can't Coop Flight with BMF.

1608
01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:16,640
Speaker 3: Yes.

1609
01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:18,919
Speaker 2: I was curious, is any other unique locations you wrote

1610
01:06:18,920 --> 01:06:19,680
Speaker 2: a notable record?

1611
01:06:20,680 --> 01:06:23,440
Speaker 4: I wrote do the Damn Thing on the in the

1612
01:06:23,560 --> 01:06:28,600
Speaker 4: b room at Patchworks with a Mosquino T shirt with

1613
01:06:28,720 --> 01:06:31,400
Speaker 4: a snowman on it, with no socks and shoes on,

1614
01:06:32,040 --> 01:06:34,960
Speaker 4: with some denim shorts and I was just laying on

1615
01:06:35,040 --> 01:06:36,880
Speaker 4: the floor and I know, Fabulous was like this nigga

1616
01:06:36,920 --> 01:06:37,560
Speaker 4: country is head.

1617
01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:41,000
Speaker 1: I was like, what the fuck?

1618
01:06:41,800 --> 01:06:42,680
Speaker 3: That was on real talk?

1619
01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:46,280
Speaker 4: Yes, So I did do the damn thing, and I

1620
01:06:46,280 --> 01:06:48,080
Speaker 4: couldn't believe he was asking me to get on the song.

1621
01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:50,520
Speaker 3: And what he did was he's like, yo, I got

1622
01:06:50,600 --> 01:06:52,840
Speaker 3: this because he had his verse. He's like, I need

1623
01:06:52,920 --> 01:06:54,040
Speaker 3: to put a hook on it. I was like, I

1624
01:06:54,120 --> 01:06:54,360
Speaker 3: heard it.

1625
01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:55,600
Speaker 4: I was like, yeah, I put a hook on there.

1626
01:06:55,840 --> 01:06:57,600
Speaker 4: But in my mind, I'm looking at my engineer like

1627
01:06:57,600 --> 01:06:59,000
Speaker 4: I'm going to put a verse on this ship too.

1628
01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:00,760
Speaker 4: So I was right in the verse in the hook

1629
01:07:00,760 --> 01:07:02,240
Speaker 4: at the same time, and it was in the book.

1630
01:07:02,240 --> 01:07:04,000
Speaker 4: I mean, it was like in the control room and

1631
01:07:04,080 --> 01:07:06,240
Speaker 4: I told my engineer to put on headphones, so he

1632
01:07:06,280 --> 01:07:08,440
Speaker 4: thought I was just doing the hook. So I went

1633
01:07:08,480 --> 01:07:09,480
Speaker 4: in there and I did the hook, and you know,

1634
01:07:09,520 --> 01:07:12,200
Speaker 4: I said, my phone is stepped so my living room.

1635
01:07:12,440 --> 01:07:14,720
Speaker 4: We can't have the money here. We need a bigger room.

1636
01:07:15,240 --> 01:07:17,000
Speaker 4: And when he heard that, he was like oh, and

1637
01:07:17,080 --> 01:07:19,640
Speaker 4: everybody in the room was like love it. And that's

1638
01:07:19,680 --> 01:07:22,080
Speaker 4: how I got on the joint, you know what I'm saying.

1639
01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:25,720
Speaker 4: And that was like my first like real feature. You

1640
01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:27,760
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, because he had came through and

1641
01:07:27,880 --> 01:07:29,800
Speaker 4: he had played me like breathe and this is before

1642
01:07:29,880 --> 01:07:30,600
Speaker 4: like Brede came out.

1643
01:07:30,680 --> 01:07:32,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, you said you want to breathe? Yeah, I want

1644
01:07:32,240 --> 01:07:38,040
Speaker 3: to He was like nah, He's like nahin this is

1645
01:07:38,120 --> 01:07:39,240
Speaker 3: my single. I'm like, I know.

1646
01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:44,040
Speaker 2: But you talk about the other rappers were taxing you

1647
01:07:45,280 --> 01:07:47,200
Speaker 2: while you were trying to get on past the Troy

1648
01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:48,160
Speaker 2: Little Flip.

1649
01:07:48,200 --> 01:07:50,000
Speaker 3: And Little John little Man.

1650
01:07:50,040 --> 01:07:53,000
Speaker 4: Little John got so many garbage back were brown paper

1651
01:07:53,080 --> 01:07:56,600
Speaker 4: bags for me, Pretty Keen, Pretty cann shout out the

1652
01:07:56,640 --> 01:07:59,800
Speaker 4: pretty Ken he got me pastor Troy got something? Uh?

1653
01:08:00,120 --> 01:08:00,520
Speaker 3: Who else?

1654
01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:04,120
Speaker 4: Because I was just giving money out in the sense

1655
01:08:04,200 --> 01:08:07,360
Speaker 4: of I was trying to get on through the people

1656
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:09,560
Speaker 4: that were on because there was nothing bigger than Little

1657
01:08:09,600 --> 01:08:10,200
Speaker 4: John when I came.

1658
01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:12,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was. It was huge.

1659
01:08:12,360 --> 01:08:15,080
Speaker 4: So it was like I paid Little John for a

1660
01:08:15,240 --> 01:08:18,840
Speaker 4: joint in the feature between. How much was that probably

1661
01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:22,599
Speaker 4: by then probably like seventy five thousand? Street money, yeah,

1662
01:08:22,600 --> 01:08:24,000
Speaker 4: street money, bro all twenties.

1663
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:27,840
Speaker 3: I know, I kind of it. I kind of it.

1664
01:08:27,960 --> 01:08:31,000
Speaker 4: I remember a pretty kid, you know, Pretty Kid wanted

1665
01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:33,080
Speaker 4: to seventy five too. I was like, man, you're a producer, man,

1666
01:08:33,120 --> 01:08:34,200
Speaker 4: did me give you photing man?

1667
01:08:35,320 --> 01:08:37,519
Speaker 3: It is life. Photing Man were working out those shorts.

1668
01:08:37,640 --> 01:08:39,280
Speaker 3: Those shorts, jeez nah no, no.

1669
01:08:39,320 --> 01:08:41,200
Speaker 4: They ain't play about that. But it was trying to

1670
01:08:41,280 --> 01:08:42,960
Speaker 4: all help. But it was like it was it was

1671
01:08:43,120 --> 01:08:46,160
Speaker 4: evident that I had the money. And it's crazy because

1672
01:08:46,160 --> 01:08:48,160
Speaker 4: I remember me and Carmelo Anthony having a real talk

1673
01:08:48,160 --> 01:08:49,960
Speaker 4: at his house and I was like, bro, he was

1674
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:51,000
Speaker 4: telling me he was getting the music.

1675
01:08:51,040 --> 01:08:52,400
Speaker 3: I said, Bro, let me just be honest with you.

1676
01:08:52,520 --> 01:08:55,320
Speaker 4: Boy, dude, you got to do it through a third

1677
01:08:55,400 --> 01:08:58,080
Speaker 4: party because if they know that you're involved, they're gonna

1678
01:08:58,080 --> 01:08:58,639
Speaker 4: suck you dry.

1679
01:08:59,240 --> 01:08:59,840
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

1680
01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:02,760
Speaker 4: That's what was happening with me because I was just

1681
01:09:02,840 --> 01:09:05,240
Speaker 4: paying everybody, you know what I'm saying, and nothing was

1682
01:09:05,280 --> 01:09:08,120
Speaker 4: going anywhere. But they was getting the money, you know

1683
01:09:08,160 --> 01:09:09,760
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. So it was just like but I

1684
01:09:09,840 --> 01:09:12,840
Speaker 4: felt like I was making progress, it didn't happen. The

1685
01:09:12,920 --> 01:09:15,320
Speaker 4: progress didn't happen til I started look inside of myself

1686
01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:17,519
Speaker 4: and do my best work and I'd try to go

1687
01:09:17,640 --> 01:09:20,280
Speaker 4: outside and just get people because they had a name.

1688
01:09:20,800 --> 01:09:22,880
Speaker 4: That's when I started to see some momentum because it

1689
01:09:22,960 --> 01:09:25,120
Speaker 4: was like, now I got my own records, and then

1690
01:09:25,160 --> 01:09:26,519
Speaker 4: how do I market them? Let me go get with

1691
01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:30,479
Speaker 4: DJ Drama and put you know, fifteen songs that already

1692
01:09:30,520 --> 01:09:32,519
Speaker 4: got that I paid for because I was paying like

1693
01:09:32,640 --> 01:09:35,320
Speaker 4: Jazzy Fading all these guys for beats. Right, So now

1694
01:09:35,800 --> 01:09:38,439
Speaker 4: they're my songs, and now I put them out right,

1695
01:09:38,720 --> 01:09:43,120
Speaker 4: and now they're they're circular, circulating with drama on them

1696
01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:45,920
Speaker 4: and you can listen to a whole body of work.

1697
01:09:46,160 --> 01:09:46,280
Speaker 3: Now.

1698
01:09:46,360 --> 01:09:48,439
Speaker 4: The thing was that I was giving them away for free,

1699
01:09:48,800 --> 01:09:51,719
Speaker 4: and that's what everybody had a problem with, like Jazzy

1700
01:09:51,840 --> 01:09:54,600
Speaker 4: and Trick that it was like dumbest shit ever. I

1701
01:09:54,720 --> 01:09:57,280
Speaker 4: think to this day, it was the best decision I

1702
01:09:57,320 --> 01:09:57,720
Speaker 4: ever made.

1703
01:09:58,120 --> 01:09:59,000
Speaker 3: It was unprecedented.

1704
01:09:59,360 --> 01:10:01,280
Speaker 4: It was the best decision I ever made, bro because

1705
01:10:01,280 --> 01:10:03,040
Speaker 4: if I didn't do that, I wouldn't have a base,

1706
01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:05,320
Speaker 4: I want to call the streets at the time I did,

1707
01:10:05,360 --> 01:10:06,800
Speaker 4: I wouldn't have been able to go out and do

1708
01:10:06,960 --> 01:10:10,120
Speaker 4: shows because by the time Trap or Die drop and

1709
01:10:10,240 --> 01:10:12,240
Speaker 4: we dropped the DVD with that, because a lot of

1710
01:10:12,280 --> 01:10:14,400
Speaker 4: people didn't even know what I look like, you know

1711
01:10:14,439 --> 01:10:16,080
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, Like they just knew the music, they

1712
01:10:16,120 --> 01:10:18,439
Speaker 4: didn't know what I'm looking right. So when they saw

1713
01:10:18,520 --> 01:10:21,240
Speaker 4: the GVD, they was like, oh, and how I knew

1714
01:10:21,320 --> 01:10:22,880
Speaker 4: it was real? Like I used to kind of be

1715
01:10:23,040 --> 01:10:24,920
Speaker 4: still running around the street, so I might go my

1716
01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:27,320
Speaker 4: homiees trap house or whatever on the West side, East Side.

1717
01:10:27,560 --> 01:10:29,680
Speaker 4: I used to walk in. It'll be ten fifteen. I'm

1718
01:10:29,680 --> 01:10:30,960
Speaker 4: sitting around watching the DVD.

1719
01:10:32,320 --> 01:10:34,280
Speaker 3: I'm like, y'all, y'all watching this.

1720
01:10:35,120 --> 01:10:38,880
Speaker 4: You know it's crazy, bro. So that's how I started

1721
01:10:38,880 --> 01:10:41,560
Speaker 4: to understand, like, Okay, this is this is different. You know,

1722
01:10:41,720 --> 01:10:43,439
Speaker 4: like these are your friends that know you. They're actually

1723
01:10:43,479 --> 01:10:45,920
Speaker 4: supporting what you do as fans now because they're like, wow, bro,

1724
01:10:46,400 --> 01:10:48,439
Speaker 4: you know, look at you riding around doing this and

1725
01:10:48,520 --> 01:10:50,760
Speaker 4: then living this and what I did because a lot

1726
01:10:50,800 --> 01:10:52,599
Speaker 4: of people don't know, I went in and edited all

1727
01:10:52,680 --> 01:10:54,360
Speaker 4: that stuff, you know what I'm saying. I took it

1728
01:10:54,439 --> 01:10:56,280
Speaker 4: and took it to the guys and say, okay, we're

1729
01:10:56,280 --> 01:10:57,519
Speaker 4: gonna do this, that and the other, and they just

1730
01:10:57,560 --> 01:11:00,720
Speaker 4: put it together. And now you're giving away DVD with

1731
01:11:00,880 --> 01:11:04,080
Speaker 4: a mixtape. And this was back when DVD players was

1732
01:11:04,120 --> 01:11:07,439
Speaker 4: big for streaming. We might need to stream that though,

1733
01:11:08,240 --> 01:11:10,800
Speaker 4: stream trapper. I wonder if you could do that. Of

1734
01:11:10,920 --> 01:11:13,200
Speaker 4: course you can you can? Yeah, we might need to

1735
01:11:13,200 --> 01:11:15,479
Speaker 4: figure that out. But I also want to do Trappa

1736
01:11:15,520 --> 01:11:17,960
Speaker 4: Dotta movie as well though. Yeah, I want to do

1737
01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:20,240
Speaker 4: Trapadta movie or either the series, because I don't want

1738
01:11:20,240 --> 01:11:21,640
Speaker 4: it to be just about me. It's going to be

1739
01:11:21,720 --> 01:11:24,240
Speaker 4: about just that era and time and everything that was

1740
01:11:24,320 --> 01:11:26,519
Speaker 4: going on around it and how I played, you know,

1741
01:11:26,640 --> 01:11:29,639
Speaker 4: my part in it, but other people and other music

1742
01:11:29,680 --> 01:11:30,639
Speaker 4: played their part as well.

1743
01:11:31,000 --> 01:11:33,679
Speaker 3: Who just kind of bring back that era? Dope?

1744
01:11:33,920 --> 01:11:37,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I know we got the book now, Okay,

1745
01:11:38,120 --> 01:11:41,599
Speaker 2: Snowfall was well received last year. Yeah, are we getting

1746
01:11:41,680 --> 01:11:44,120
Speaker 2: some more music in the future. It's looking like great

1747
01:11:44,200 --> 01:11:48,519
Speaker 2: question call you First off, snow was really good. Now

1748
01:11:48,720 --> 01:11:51,240
Speaker 2: I love I love Snowfall man. Shout out to everybody

1749
01:11:51,400 --> 01:11:51,920
Speaker 2: was a part of it.

1750
01:11:52,600 --> 01:11:52,880
Speaker 3: It was.

1751
01:11:54,400 --> 01:11:56,439
Speaker 4: Probably the first time in a long time I was

1752
01:11:56,520 --> 01:12:00,200
Speaker 4: able to just do something without any expectations, you know

1753
01:12:00,240 --> 01:12:02,320
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, Like just free, you know what I'm saying.

1754
01:12:02,360 --> 01:12:04,160
Speaker 4: That's why I enjoyed the process so much, because it

1755
01:12:04,240 --> 01:12:07,640
Speaker 4: was like I wasn't trying to get no singles and

1756
01:12:07,680 --> 01:12:09,200
Speaker 4: the reps like this, how I feel.

1757
01:12:09,000 --> 01:12:10,200
Speaker 3: I want to just put these records together.

1758
01:12:10,240 --> 01:12:13,200
Speaker 4: Shout out to Don Kennon and DJ Dramma Lake Show

1759
01:12:13,439 --> 01:12:17,560
Speaker 4: for Show, Superstar Trey and everybody was a part of it,

1760
01:12:18,120 --> 01:12:18,719
Speaker 4: just as League.

1761
01:12:19,240 --> 01:12:20,280
Speaker 3: Everybody produced on it.

1762
01:12:20,680 --> 01:12:24,240
Speaker 4: And it's crazy though, because you would think, and I

1763
01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:26,519
Speaker 4: wanted to do something nostalgic like that, so that's why

1764
01:12:26,720 --> 01:12:29,280
Speaker 4: me and Drama talked about it and we did it.

1765
01:12:29,360 --> 01:12:31,439
Speaker 4: But you would think that after so many years it

1766
01:12:31,479 --> 01:12:33,120
Speaker 4: wouldn't have the same feeling that it did.

1767
01:12:33,920 --> 01:12:36,320
Speaker 3: I love that. Yeah, Yeah, you and Drama also had

1768
01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:39,080
Speaker 3: the B side shows that. Yeah that was fun. It

1769
01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:40,320
Speaker 3: ain't come to New York jeezy.

1770
01:12:40,720 --> 01:12:43,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, we dropped the ball on that one. We dropped

1771
01:12:43,000 --> 01:12:44,840
Speaker 4: the ball on that because I was running around so much.

1772
01:12:46,400 --> 01:12:47,840
Speaker 4: But we still could do one of New Year. Yeah,

1773
01:12:47,840 --> 01:12:49,800
Speaker 4: we needed it and we still doing Challenge. Wasn't putting

1774
01:12:49,800 --> 01:12:53,760
Speaker 4: the setlist together for y'all. It was crazy, Like we

1775
01:12:53,880 --> 01:12:55,920
Speaker 4: sat and I went over to a studio. We sat

1776
01:12:55,920 --> 01:12:57,479
Speaker 4: in there for hours and I didn't realize we had

1777
01:12:57,520 --> 01:12:59,800
Speaker 4: that many songs. Wow, you know what I'm saying. So

1778
01:13:00,120 --> 01:13:02,400
Speaker 4: was like, and I still don't think we got it

1779
01:13:02,439 --> 01:13:03,920
Speaker 4: all the way right because it was like so many

1780
01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:04,760
Speaker 4: songs we didn't do.

1781
01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:05,960
Speaker 3: I was like, damn, we should have. Did you know

1782
01:13:05,960 --> 01:13:08,280
Speaker 3: what I mean, and it was just like I would

1783
01:13:08,360 --> 01:13:11,559
Speaker 3: love to you do like fifty sixty songs or something. Yeah. Yeah,

1784
01:13:11,960 --> 01:13:13,920
Speaker 3: it was a real show. And it was supposed to

1785
01:13:13,960 --> 01:13:17,760
Speaker 3: be a B side show. Nobody sweats to the B side.

1786
01:13:17,960 --> 01:13:20,519
Speaker 3: Everybody's cool, you know what I'm saying. But now it

1787
01:13:20,640 --> 01:13:22,519
Speaker 3: was real. It was real songs and real work. But

1788
01:13:22,600 --> 01:13:24,160
Speaker 3: the thing I loved about it most is like.

1789
01:13:25,840 --> 01:13:28,479
Speaker 4: Just doing the songs and seeing how people reacted, you

1790
01:13:28,520 --> 01:13:30,360
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, because these were songs that I

1791
01:13:30,479 --> 01:13:31,880
Speaker 4: never get a chance to do with my real.

1792
01:13:31,800 --> 01:13:35,479
Speaker 3: Shows because it's so like grassroots, you know, just just

1793
01:13:35,880 --> 01:13:38,280
Speaker 3: you had to be there to know. So it was.

1794
01:13:38,320 --> 01:13:40,160
Speaker 3: It was good man. I loved it. I love that.

1795
01:13:40,320 --> 01:13:42,200
Speaker 2: Is there a song in particular that stands out that

1796
01:13:42,320 --> 01:13:44,040
Speaker 2: you love to perform that you don't get a chance

1797
01:13:44,080 --> 01:13:44,880
Speaker 2: to it a regular show.

1798
01:13:45,400 --> 01:13:48,439
Speaker 4: Definitely, done it all, all, done it all would be

1799
01:13:48,520 --> 01:13:49,880
Speaker 4: one missus seventeen five.

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01:13:50,080 --> 01:13:52,360
Speaker 3: That's my favorite g Z. Yeah yeah, yeah, miss seventeen five.

1801
01:13:52,680 --> 01:13:54,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, because you know you can't just do that, And

1802
01:13:55,040 --> 01:14:00,400
Speaker 4: like I was so happy it right a video like

1803
01:14:00,880 --> 01:14:01,559
Speaker 4: two years ago.

1804
01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:03,760
Speaker 3: It's like, finally you put out a seventy five video.

1805
01:14:03,960 --> 01:14:06,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I'm actually thinking about going back and doing

1806
01:14:06,960 --> 01:14:08,880
Speaker 4: a lot of videos for a lot of my old stuff,

1807
01:14:09,000 --> 01:14:11,040
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, Yeah, just to revamp it,

1808
01:14:11,080 --> 01:14:14,280
Speaker 4: because it's like then I was running the gun in

1809
01:14:14,360 --> 01:14:16,000
Speaker 4: so much I didn't really have time to like think

1810
01:14:16,080 --> 01:14:17,800
Speaker 4: creative and trying to figure out how to put something

1811
01:14:17,800 --> 01:14:20,120
Speaker 4: together because a lot of our videos are just running shoot,

1812
01:14:20,760 --> 01:14:22,640
Speaker 4: And I would love to go back and take some

1813
01:14:22,720 --> 01:14:24,000
Speaker 4: of those classics that I really.

1814
01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:26,479
Speaker 3: Like and just put a little spin on it. I

1815
01:14:26,560 --> 01:14:27,840
Speaker 3: see another book in the future too.

1816
01:14:28,040 --> 01:14:30,160
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, No, this is something that's good for me,

1817
01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:33,200
Speaker 4: Like I love this, and you know, I want people

1818
01:14:33,200 --> 01:14:36,360
Speaker 4: to understand, like my purpose in life is to obtain

1819
01:14:37,040 --> 01:14:40,720
Speaker 4: knowledge and wisdom and to regurgitate it back in the

1820
01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:44,519
Speaker 4: simplest form to my people and my culture. So you'll

1821
01:14:44,560 --> 01:14:48,400
Speaker 4: definitely be getting some more motivational inspirational books for me

1822
01:14:48,520 --> 01:14:50,800
Speaker 4: because I happen to like it, like I happen to

1823
01:14:51,000 --> 01:14:54,439
Speaker 4: like writing, and I happen to like just you know,

1824
01:14:55,439 --> 01:14:57,840
Speaker 4: just taking some time to just think about some of

1825
01:14:57,880 --> 01:15:00,240
Speaker 4: the things that I went through and just you know,

1826
01:15:00,560 --> 01:15:03,760
Speaker 4: recap and just sit back and be like, Okay, how

1827
01:15:04,240 --> 01:15:06,519
Speaker 4: did that help me? And how can I help someone

1828
01:15:06,560 --> 01:15:08,920
Speaker 4: else with that? And I think that that's like, you know,

1829
01:15:09,080 --> 01:15:12,000
Speaker 4: south of the music, this is a whole nother outlet

1830
01:15:12,200 --> 01:15:12,559
Speaker 4: to do what.

1831
01:15:12,640 --> 01:15:14,200
Speaker 3: I love to do. You know what I'm saying. You

1832
01:15:14,320 --> 01:15:16,519
Speaker 3: feel the power? The voice is very direct. Yeah.

1833
01:15:18,560 --> 01:15:25,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, and again any family members out there listening like

1834
01:15:25,400 --> 01:15:26,519
Speaker 4: that said, y'all chill out.

1835
01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:31,040
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. Listen. So Gez, If adversity

1836
01:15:31,120 --> 01:15:33,799
Speaker 3: is for sale, how much does it cost everything? Everything?

1837
01:15:34,160 --> 01:15:36,519
Speaker 4: Yeah, because if you know, they say, the richest place

1838
01:15:36,560 --> 01:15:38,880
Speaker 4: in the world is the cemetery. That's where you take

1839
01:15:38,960 --> 01:15:42,639
Speaker 4: all your all, your all, your gifts, all the things

1840
01:15:42,640 --> 01:15:44,360
Speaker 4: that God gave you. If you don't use them, it's

1841
01:15:44,360 --> 01:15:49,640
Speaker 4: just like the biggest form is is regret. And I

1842
01:15:49,720 --> 01:15:52,280
Speaker 4: don't ever want to regret anything, Like I want to

1843
01:15:52,320 --> 01:15:54,200
Speaker 4: live full and die empty. Like I don't want to

1844
01:15:54,600 --> 01:15:56,920
Speaker 4: wake up one day and say, because you know, as

1845
01:15:56,960 --> 01:15:59,599
Speaker 4: you growing, like you think you got all your life,

1846
01:16:00,240 --> 01:16:02,200
Speaker 4: all your life ain't even long no more though, like

1847
01:16:02,240 --> 01:16:03,880
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, Like it's it's it's it's

1848
01:16:03,960 --> 01:16:04,479
Speaker 4: real out here.

1849
01:16:04,600 --> 01:16:06,240
Speaker 3: If you ain't eating right, you might not be here.

1850
01:16:06,240 --> 01:16:07,439
Speaker 3: If you ain't living right, you might not.

1851
01:16:07,479 --> 01:16:10,160
Speaker 4: Be So it's so much so when I say Adversity

1852
01:16:10,240 --> 01:16:12,280
Speaker 4: for Sale. I'm saying that these are the things that

1853
01:16:12,400 --> 01:16:15,280
Speaker 4: I went through. I overcame them, so I'm quite sure

1854
01:16:15,320 --> 01:16:17,559
Speaker 4: that you can even overcome them even better because now

1855
01:16:17,640 --> 01:16:21,440
Speaker 4: you got a template or or some type of understanding

1856
01:16:21,479 --> 01:16:24,439
Speaker 4: of what you might encounter. But this is how I navigated,

1857
01:16:24,560 --> 01:16:26,600
Speaker 4: so you should put how you want to move to it.

1858
01:16:26,960 --> 01:16:29,760
Speaker 4: But also the reason why the book is Adversity for Sales,

1859
01:16:29,760 --> 01:16:32,519
Speaker 4: you gotta believe is even though you go through these,

1860
01:16:32,920 --> 01:16:37,080
Speaker 4: these these setbacks and these these these obstacles in life,

1861
01:16:37,640 --> 01:16:38,639
Speaker 4: you gotta believe.

1862
01:16:39,200 --> 01:16:41,240
Speaker 3: Got you gotta believe, or like.

1863
01:16:41,280 --> 01:16:44,439
Speaker 4: If you don't believe, you're already done. It's like walking

1864
01:16:44,439 --> 01:16:47,479
Speaker 4: into a fight boxing somebody and you don't believe you're

1865
01:16:47,479 --> 01:16:49,600
Speaker 4: gonna win. You already know your ass about to be

1866
01:16:49,800 --> 01:16:51,240
Speaker 4: knocked out, you know what I'm saying.

1867
01:16:51,280 --> 01:16:52,280
Speaker 3: And that's what just with life.

1868
01:16:52,760 --> 01:16:54,639
Speaker 4: If you don't walk into life and believe not even

1869
01:16:54,640 --> 01:16:56,880
Speaker 4: gonna knock you the hell out, it's gonna knock you out.

1870
01:16:57,320 --> 01:16:59,519
Speaker 4: And every time it knocked me out, I got up

1871
01:16:59,600 --> 01:17:02,840
Speaker 4: just some myself off and went full speed ahead. And

1872
01:17:03,000 --> 01:17:05,400
Speaker 4: and it's like everything in this book is the truth

1873
01:17:05,960 --> 01:17:09,400
Speaker 4: to my to my knowledge, and it's there for you

1874
01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:11,920
Speaker 4: to take bits and pieces of it out to help

1875
01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:14,000
Speaker 4: you overcome your adversity and.

1876
01:17:14,120 --> 01:17:17,400
Speaker 3: You can go sell yours. Pats. Yeah, thank you man,

1877
01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:17,880
Speaker 3: thank you.

1878
01:17:19,240 --> 01:17:22,920
Speaker 4: Shout out to my partner right here we was in

1879
01:17:23,080 --> 01:17:27,120
Speaker 4: college golf tournament. I didn't realize how gangster Elliott was.

1880
01:17:28,840 --> 01:17:30,600
Speaker 4: I see this dude talking to you, man, what's up?

1881
01:17:32,439 --> 01:17:35,560
Speaker 4: I like this guy from B MF T hy En.

1882
01:17:39,000 --> 01:17:44,840
Speaker 3: I love it. I love it radas rap Radar Is.

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01:17:44,960 --> 01:17:48,200
Speaker 3: Interval Presents original production from hyper House, produced by Laura

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01:17:48,280 --> 01:17:51,080
Speaker 3: Wasser Hopet and producers Elliott Wilson and Brian B.

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01:17:51,200 --> 01:17:55,479
Speaker 2: Dot Miller. From Interval Presents executive producers Alan Coy and

1886
01:17:55,600 --> 01:18:00,000
Speaker 2: Jake Kleinberg, Executive producer Paul Rosenberg. Editing and sound design

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01:18:00,320 --> 01:18:05,000
Speaker 2: by Dylan Alexander Freeman, Recording engineer Jeremy Ogletree. Special thanks

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