WEBVTT - D-backs' Biggest Weakness Exposed vs. Nationals; 10 Rental Trade Targets

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<v Speaker 1>Hello, and welcome to another episode of Snake's Territory, part

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<v Speaker 1>alongside Jack Summers and Jack the vibes around the Arizona

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<v Speaker 1>Diamondbacks have fallen off here over the past couple of days.

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<v Speaker 1>D Backs had won ten out of twelve games after

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<v Speaker 1>their win on Friday, but they lose the final two

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<v Speaker 1>games of this series against the Nationals. Of course, that

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<v Speaker 1>means they lose the series and it also means they

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<v Speaker 1>lose the season series in the process.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for whatever reason, the Nationals seem to always play

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<v Speaker 2>the Diamondbacks quite tough. I think they are now three

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<v Speaker 2>and eight in or last eleven against them. They lost

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<v Speaker 2>the season series, as you said, four games to two,

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<v Speaker 2>and all time they're like over twenty games under five

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<v Speaker 2>hundred against the Nationals, which is that goes back to

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety eight, even when they were the Expos. So

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it's it's been a tough organization for them.

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<v Speaker 2>Hard to say why, but especially lately. You know, where

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<v Speaker 2>the Dbacks have had a better team, you would expect

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<v Speaker 2>them to do better against the Nationals than they have.

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<v Speaker 1>The Diamondbacks offense certainly was not perfect in this series.

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<v Speaker 1>There were some roughed bats here and there. We'll talk

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<v Speaker 1>about that more a little bit later in the show.

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<v Speaker 1>But the key storyline of these last two games, Jack

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<v Speaker 1>certainly was the pitching for the Diamondbacks. They lose the

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<v Speaker 1>finale of this series by a score of ten to seven.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, Mitch Bratt had a rough one on Saturday,

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<v Speaker 1>gave up five runs in five innings there and on

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<v Speaker 1>Sunday in the finale of this series. It you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Cole Drake certainly was not great. He gave up four

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<v Speaker 1>runs and four innings, but it also wouldn't be totally

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<v Speaker 1>to blame this all on him. The Diamondbacks bullpen was

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<v Speaker 1>unusually not good in this game either. Jonathan Elisaga gave

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<v Speaker 1>up a couple of runs, Brandon Garcia gave up several

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<v Speaker 1>as well. Kevin Ginkle gave up a solo home run late.

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<v Speaker 1>So all in all, just a rough series for the

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<v Speaker 1>Diamondbacks pitching staff. And you know, I think if any

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<v Speaker 1>of us were skeptical about this Washington Nationals offense. I

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<v Speaker 1>think we've all seen kind of the hard way here

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<v Speaker 1>that this Washington Nationals offense is truly everything that the

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<v Speaker 1>numbers say it is.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, I mean, you're over one hundred games in

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<v Speaker 2>and they lead the league in scoring, and they're right

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<v Speaker 2>there at the top and just about every major metric.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think there was really much doubt that they

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<v Speaker 2>had a very good offense. You know, you just look

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<v Speaker 2>at the players and how they're hitting, and of course

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<v Speaker 2>James Wood and c. J. Abrams are having phenomenal seasons,

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<v Speaker 2>but their surrounding casts a bunch of good hitters, and

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<v Speaker 2>so we just got to see a lot more of

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<v Speaker 2>it up close and personal as far as how good

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<v Speaker 2>the abats were, how aggressive they are when they get

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<v Speaker 2>their pitch to hit, and what they were able to

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<v Speaker 2>do with it. So, you know, that's not surprising at all.

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<v Speaker 2>What's disappointing is, unfortunately, you know, the rookie pitchers aren't

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<v Speaker 2>able to throw strikes at the right times in the

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<v Speaker 2>right places. And that's not surprising their rookies, right, they're

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<v Speaker 2>young pitchers, they're young left handers. But heading into this series,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, when I wrote my series preview over on

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<v Speaker 2>Diamondbacks on SI, you know, I kind of felt like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>we're probably going to see a bit of a bounce

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<v Speaker 2>back outing from a Dwarter Rodriguez. I thought they would

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<v Speaker 2>score a little bit more in that first game than

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<v Speaker 2>they managed to do. But they held on and the

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<v Speaker 2>bullpen was great. But yes, yesterday and today, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we kind of got what we expected, which was the

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<v Speaker 2>best offense in league, beating up on a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>rookie starters.

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<v Speaker 1>The fifth inning was really the big hinge point in

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<v Speaker 1>the finale of this series. Diamondbacks had a four to

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<v Speaker 1>two lead. At that point, things were looking pretty good.

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<v Speaker 1>Cole Drake had you know, sort of let the Nationals

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<v Speaker 1>tie the game a couple of times after the d

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<v Speaker 1>Backs had taken the lead. But then in the fifth

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<v Speaker 1>inning is where things really got a little bit out

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<v Speaker 1>of hand. D Backs again with a four to two

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<v Speaker 1>lead entering the inning, as I said, and yeah, things

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<v Speaker 1>were not great there.

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<v Speaker 2>Jack.

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<v Speaker 1>It all started with Nasim Yunez, the Nationals number nine,

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<v Speaker 1>hit or drawing a walk, which it feels like that's

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<v Speaker 1>oftentimes how big time rallies begin. And then James Wood

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<v Speaker 1>followed that up with a two run home run to

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<v Speaker 1>tie the game. Three batters later, cj. Abrams did what

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<v Speaker 1>he's been doing a whole lot of lately, which has

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<v Speaker 1>hit a two run home run that came against Jonathan Elizaga,

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<v Speaker 1>who had then entered the game at that point, and

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<v Speaker 1>then things just kind of continue to get out of

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<v Speaker 1>hand from there. Brandon Garcia gives up three runs in

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<v Speaker 1>the seventh, Kevin Ginkel gives up another run in the eighth.

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<v Speaker 1>Dbacs did make it a little interesting in the ninth inning.

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<v Speaker 1>They did get the time run on at first base.

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<v Speaker 1>Tyler Locklear represented the winning run with the bases loaded

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<v Speaker 1>in two outs, but unfortunately he grounded out and that

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<v Speaker 1>was the end of this one.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think you know, when we talk about the bullpen,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, for all year long, the bullpen's been really good.

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<v Speaker 2>But the fact is is lately not so much. Although

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<v Speaker 2>the bullpen was great on Friday night, if you go

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<v Speaker 2>back to July twentieth, and I'm not sure if you

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<v Speaker 2>have that table up, let's see there it is there

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<v Speaker 2>we go. Okay, so you know, I looked I kind

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<v Speaker 2>of broke this out two ways, which is the previous

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<v Speaker 2>six games to Sunday and then Sunday and then the

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<v Speaker 2>total because obviously Sunday was especially bad and it really

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<v Speaker 2>inflated things. But you know, if you look at their

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<v Speaker 2>previous six games, which includes the excellent Friday work, they

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<v Speaker 2>still had a five two four e er in their

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<v Speaker 2>previous six games out of the bullpen as relievers. And

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<v Speaker 2>then Sunday, of course, was four innings, ten hits, six runs,

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<v Speaker 2>five earned, and that unearned run was due to Brandon

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<v Speaker 2>Garcia's own throwing error. And so you know, over the

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<v Speaker 2>last seven games, the bullpen is really starting to fray

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<v Speaker 2>a bit. We see thirty five hits and twenty six

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<v Speaker 2>and a third innings, We see four home runs, we

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<v Speaker 2>see a six to one five era. The strikeout to

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<v Speaker 2>walk ratio is still pretty good, but you know, they're

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<v Speaker 2>falling behind accounts when they shouldn't be, and they're giving

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<v Speaker 2>up a lot of base hits and giving up some

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<v Speaker 2>home runs. You know, it's not only been a Pulsea

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<v Speaker 2>wall problem. It's kind of we're seeing guys taking turns

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<v Speaker 2>now getting shaky and that may just be workload, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and getting a little freight at the edges. We know

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<v Speaker 2>that they've been working really hard to try to maneuver

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<v Speaker 2>through what has clearly been a tired bullpen and they're

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<v Speaker 2>just not getting enough innings from the starters to allow

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<v Speaker 2>for that to happen. And no, they still have three

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<v Speaker 2>more games before they have a day off. They got

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<v Speaker 2>to hit into Pittsburgh. So yeah, they have pitching was

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you know, they got two rookie starters that

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<v Speaker 2>aren't performing and walking too many guys. They got a

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<v Speaker 2>bullpen that's really paying the price for a workload and

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<v Speaker 2>now really starting to fray at the edges. They need

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<v Speaker 2>to make some moves and we're going to talk about that,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's pitching that's driving the concern right now.

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<v Speaker 1>I think at this point my concern level with the

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<v Speaker 1>bullpen is not all that high. You know, you look

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<v Speaker 1>at the eras that these guys have even after this game,

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<v Speaker 1>Like Brandon Garcia is still at a two two eight,

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<v Speaker 1>Kevin Ginkles at a three two five, Jonathan Maliseaga has

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<v Speaker 1>been unreal lately. He's at at two four one, Ryan

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<v Speaker 1>Thompson at a pretty reasonable three point seven to six.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know there are some some runs in those

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<v Speaker 1>past seven games that came at a time where the

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<v Speaker 1>game didn't really matter, like Iildomara Vargas gave up a

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<v Speaker 1>couple runs because the d Bacs had him pitch the

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<v Speaker 1>ninth inning. The other day, Ryan Thompson gave up four

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<v Speaker 1>runs in a game against the Cardinals when the game

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<v Speaker 1>was pretty much out of hand. So not to say

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<v Speaker 1>there isn't some regression happening, I think there clearly is,

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<v Speaker 1>and the workload probably has something to do with that.

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<v Speaker 1>But the starting pitching is really the concern for me

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<v Speaker 1>right now. The fact that the Diamondbacks have two rookie pitchers,

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<v Speaker 1>as you said, in Cole Drake and Mitch Bratt, who

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<v Speaker 1>just do not really look like big league ready starters.

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<v Speaker 1>Mitch Bratt in particular, Jack, I mean, at least cold.

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<v Speaker 1>Drake pounded the zone for the most part in this

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<v Speaker 1>Sunday game. I think his zone rate was fifty five percent.

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<v Speaker 1>I know there were some lapses here and there, like

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<v Speaker 1>the Walkton Nuniez, which isn't great. But Mitch Bratt on Saturday,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's kind of been a trend for him in

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<v Speaker 1>the few winnings that we've seen this season, he was

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<v Speaker 1>just all over the place, and after the game, he

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<v Speaker 1>talked about how he thought, he said a lifetime record

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<v Speaker 1>and walks with five walks, and at least in his

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<v Speaker 1>professional career that was definitely the case. He's never had

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<v Speaker 1>five walks in a game in the majors or in

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<v Speaker 1>the minor leagues. So with Bratt, I think maybe there's

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<v Speaker 1>I'm certainly not giving up on him as a prospect.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the track record there speaks to a guy

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<v Speaker 1>whose command ought to be better than what we've seen,

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<v Speaker 1>but we haven't seen it at all in the big

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<v Speaker 1>leagues at this point. He really has been spraying the

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<v Speaker 1>ball all over the place.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean it's a bit of confirmation bias for me,

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<v Speaker 2>and I want to fully admit that. You know, I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't watch his entire career, and I haven't watched every

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<v Speaker 2>start he made in tripa A this year, but I

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<v Speaker 2>watched at least three or four of them, and it

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<v Speaker 2>just seemed like, Wow, these misses are like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>armside misses way up and out and you know curveballs,

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<v Speaker 2>spiked it fifty six feet into the dirt, and I

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<v Speaker 2>just saw a lot of that, and yet he would

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<v Speaker 2>still somehow get back in the zone and get it

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<v Speaker 2>out you know, his pitching lines were good, but I did,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I wasn't seeing even when I was watching

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<v Speaker 2>this minor league starts, I wasn't seeing like pinpoint command,

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<v Speaker 2>Like the pitches that miss are just off the plate,

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<v Speaker 2>that kind of stuff. They're non competitive pitches. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 2>so that had kind of had a little bit of like,

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<v Speaker 2>that's not what I was expecting to see based on

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<v Speaker 2>his reputation before he was even promoted. And then since

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<v Speaker 2>he's been promoted, we've seen more of that non competitive pitches,

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<v Speaker 2>plus just a lot of walks. You know. So he's

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<v Speaker 2>supposed to be a command and control guy who's not

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<v Speaker 2>commanding and controlling the baseball. I'm not saying you can't,

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<v Speaker 2>not saying you won't, not saying that I have the

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<v Speaker 2>definitive understanding of this pitcher. I have not watched enough

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<v Speaker 2>of him, but I want to see that because otherwise

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to hear about him being a command

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<v Speaker 2>and control guy anymore until he actually shows that he is.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, I think that's totally fair. Diamondbacks score seven

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<v Speaker 1>runs in the Sunday games. Certainly the offense is not,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, does not take most of the blame for

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<v Speaker 1>a ten to seven loss, but there are some trends

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<v Speaker 1>with the offense that we wanted to get to. After

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<v Speaker 1>this break, we're going to talk a little catel Marte,

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<v Speaker 1>and then later in the show we're going to dive

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<v Speaker 1>into some trade candidates, get into some actual names here

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<v Speaker 1>for really the first time on our show. So don't

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<v Speaker 1>go anywhere. We'll be back with more right after this. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>Well Jack.

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<v Speaker 1>As I said before the break, d Backs scored seven

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<v Speaker 1>runs on Sunday, you usually hope that that is enough

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<v Speaker 1>to win a game. And yet I think it is

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<v Speaker 1>time to have a conversation about Kateel Marte because even

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<v Speaker 1>though Ktel's numbers for the year, he's still been an

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<v Speaker 1>above average hitter. He did hit a home run in

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<v Speaker 1>this game, so Admittedly, we're maybe picking a strange one

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about his season, but there were some troubling

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<v Speaker 1>at bats from Katel in this game. In addition to

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<v Speaker 1>the home run, there's one that stood out from the

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<v Speaker 1>very ending of this game. This was in the ninth inning.

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<v Speaker 1>Diamondbacks had the bases loaded and nobody out. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>ten to five ball game at that point, so you're

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<v Speaker 1>just looking to kind of keep the line moving. Nationals

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<v Speaker 1>had just brought in their closer, Clayton Beater, and Katl

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<v Speaker 1>swings at the first pitch. Granted it was a slider

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<v Speaker 1>that was up in the zone, but it was on

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<v Speaker 1>the upper inside corner, not really the type of pitch

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<v Speaker 1>you can do damage on, and Kutel just hit a

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<v Speaker 1>little pop fly on the infield that went for an

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<v Speaker 1>out and kind of hindered the Diamondbacks as they were

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<v Speaker 1>trying to put together a run there a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>innings earlier. This was maybe the real backbreaker. Runner at

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<v Speaker 1>second two outs in the top of the seventh, Gabby

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<v Speaker 1>Moreno had just hit a double count starts three to

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<v Speaker 1>zero with three pitches that are nowhere even close to

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<v Speaker 1>the zone, and then kateel Marte just becomes unglued on

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<v Speaker 1>a three to zero fastball that was down and inside,

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<v Speaker 1>it was not in the zone. He swings and misses,

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<v Speaker 1>kind of looked like he might have tweaked something on

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<v Speaker 1>the swing, which you never loved to see. And then

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<v Speaker 1>he comes back and swings at the next pitch, a

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<v Speaker 1>curveball in the dirt, and he takes strike three, called

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<v Speaker 1>to envy at bat. And at that point he had

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<v Speaker 1>seen five pitches, all of them out of the strike zone.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is all just indicative, of course of the

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<v Speaker 1>season that Katell has had Jack where he is just

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<v Speaker 1>chasing pitches out of the zone, far more than we've

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<v Speaker 1>seen in the past.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, Chris Garagiola I tweeted this out during

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<v Speaker 2>the game. Chris Garagiolo commented on the broadcast, Katell's his

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<v Speaker 2>own worst enemy at times, and that certainly rang true

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<v Speaker 2>to me when I looked at this, you know, and

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<v Speaker 2>I've looked at these numbers before. This is really pretty

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<v Speaker 2>pretty simple, you know. And I want to start off

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<v Speaker 2>by repeating what I said in tweet. It seems harsh

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<v Speaker 2>to be critical of a guy who has two walks

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<v Speaker 2>and a home run today. Okay, So I want to

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<v Speaker 2>acknowledge that. You know, it's he's a phenomenal player. He

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<v Speaker 2>can do amazing things, didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>I think Katell just had the home run, right, I

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<v Speaker 1>think he was one for five. I don't think he

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<v Speaker 1>drew walks in this one.

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<v Speaker 2>If I remember directly, you know what, I misread my

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<v Speaker 2>score sheheet. That's correct. He was one for five, So

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<v Speaker 2>that tweet's wrong, thank you, Jesse.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, sure.

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<v Speaker 2>But the point, the overwriting point here is the numbers

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<v Speaker 2>on the screen show his chase percentage. That's the percentage

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<v Speaker 2>of pitches that he swings at that are outside the

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<v Speaker 2>strike zone. In twenty twenty three it was twenty four

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<v Speaker 2>point three percent. Twenty twenty four is twenty five point

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<v Speaker 2>nine percent. Twenty twenty five it was twenty four point

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<v Speaker 2>seven percent. In twenty twenty six, it's thirty two point

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<v Speaker 2>three percent chase. In other words, he's increased his chase

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<v Speaker 2>rate by over thirty percent from what it was the

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<v Speaker 2>year before, you know, straight up seven and a half

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<v Speaker 2>percentage points. But that's about a thirty percent increase from

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<v Speaker 2>the year before, and we're just seeing that that completely

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<v Speaker 2>matches the eye test. You know, he's just been swinging

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<v Speaker 2>the balls outside the zone repeatedly, and you know, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>catching a little flak on Twitter. Well, you know, if

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<v Speaker 2>you'd got that hit, if you got a hit on

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<v Speaker 2>that pitch, you know, in the ninth inning, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't be saying anything. But think of the context.

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<v Speaker 2>You're down by five runs. The best possible outcome in

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<v Speaker 2>that at bat is a grand Slam homer, and you'd

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<v Speaker 2>still be losing ten to nine. The only way you're

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<v Speaker 2>going to come back from a five run deficit here

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<v Speaker 2>is to move the chain, right. They had just walked

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<v Speaker 2>the bases loaded. Now you got a new pitcher coming

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<v Speaker 2>in and he throws a slider up and in, and

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<v Speaker 2>you're hacking at that pitch. Take a pitch, take a pitch,

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<v Speaker 2>move the chain, grind out in a bat, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>And he just wasn't willing to do any of that

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<v Speaker 2>when he had the other at bet that you highlighted.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean that was with two outs and Gabby on

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<v Speaker 2>second base, you know, an opportunity to drive in a

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<v Speaker 2>run there. You know, maybe that's what he's thinking. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not you know, some people are calling him selfish. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not calling him selfish. I'm just saying he's being undisciplined.

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<v Speaker 2>He's been an undisciplined hitter this year, and it showed

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<v Speaker 2>up in the results. I mean, the bottom line is this,

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<v Speaker 2>To tell Marte, the previous couple of seasons was like

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<v Speaker 2>a one you know, op WRC plus or OPS plus hitter, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>one forty five and one fifty two. This year he's

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<v Speaker 2>one oh six. And earlier in the season the narrative was, well,

0:18:15.119 --> 0:18:18.200
<v Speaker 2>he's hitting the ball hard, you know, he's just having

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<v Speaker 2>bad luck, and that was partially true. But as the

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<v Speaker 2>season's gone on, this chase issue has just reared its

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<v Speaker 2>ugly head over and over and overhead and situationally and

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<v Speaker 2>again it's I mean, he's so mercurial, I mean like

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<v Speaker 2>he'll hit a walk off home run, he'll do amazing things.

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<v Speaker 2>But he's really cutting into his value by being so

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<v Speaker 2>undisciplined this year. And I don't know why he's doing it.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what got into his head.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought it was interesting with the chase rate. His

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<v Speaker 1>chase rate against lefties this year is right around thirty

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<v Speaker 1>five percent, which is actually very similar to what it's

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<v Speaker 1>been in past years. It was actually higher in twenty

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen at thirty eight point five percent. So we've always

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<v Speaker 1>seen this kind of chase happy version of Katel against

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<v Speaker 1>lefties because he has this lightning quick swing. The bat

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<v Speaker 1>speed is insane, and he can just kind of get

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<v Speaker 1>away with it at times. He certainly has this season.

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<v Speaker 1>His numbers against lefties are still awesome this year. The

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<v Speaker 1>issue is against righty's. His chase strate is thirty one

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<v Speaker 1>point two percent this season, and that is like way

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<v Speaker 1>out of range from where it's been in recent seasons.

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<v Speaker 1>Last year was twenty three point six percent, twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 1>three and twenty twenty four it was in the twenty

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<v Speaker 1>one percent range. So that's an enormous, enormous difference in

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<v Speaker 1>chase against righty's and generally that's been Katel's slightly weaker side,

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<v Speaker 1>where he needs to work counts and get a good

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<v Speaker 1>pitch to hit more so than he does when batting

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<v Speaker 1>right handed, and of course Jack I mean this kind

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<v Speaker 1>of manifests itself in the on base percentage. I know

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<v Speaker 1>there's been a little bit of bad luck for Katel

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<v Speaker 1>this year and this number probably could be a little higher,

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<v Speaker 1>but as OBP is three h seven in twenty twenty six,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's that's just straight up below average. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you look at where it was last season three seventy six,

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<v Speaker 1>the year before three seventy two. It's the lowest on

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<v Speaker 1>base percentage that Katel has ever had as a member

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<v Speaker 1>of the Diamondbacks. The only time his OBP in the

0:20:19.080 --> 0:20:22.280
<v Speaker 1>majors has ever been lower was twenty sixteen, when he

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<v Speaker 1>was with the Mariners and still a very very young

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<v Speaker 1>player coming up in the league. So it really has

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<v Speaker 1>been uncharacteristic for a guy who has made his living

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<v Speaker 1>against right handed pitching, really seeing pitches and working counts,

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<v Speaker 1>and just hasn't happened this year.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and again, I don't know why. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>what's up with him. You know, I'm not going to

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<v Speaker 2>try to psychoanalyze him. I'm just saying this is the

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<v Speaker 2>fact he's chasing like crazy, obviously more so against right

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<v Speaker 2>handed pitching, and it's resulted in a low OBP and

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<v Speaker 2>a one oh six WRC plus and you know, he's

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<v Speaker 2>just not and most of that has come out of

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<v Speaker 2>the leadoff spot, whereas first batter of the game he

0:21:04.040 --> 0:21:06.520
<v Speaker 2>was hardly getting on base at all. You know, his

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<v Speaker 2>better when all those times batting leadoff, most of us better.

0:21:10.520 --> 0:21:13.600
<v Speaker 2>Our batch came second, third, fourth, a bat of the game.

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<v Speaker 1>Later, and that takes us to an interesting stat that

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<v Speaker 1>you tweeted out earlier. This was entering the game today.

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<v Speaker 1>You tweeted out the Diamondbacks one through four hitters have

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<v Speaker 1>a one to oh three WRC plus this season. League

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<v Speaker 1>average is one to ten that ranks twenty third in

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<v Speaker 1>the league. And then the d Backs five through nine

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<v Speaker 1>hitters this season have an eighty five WRC plus that

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<v Speaker 1>also ranks twenty third in the league. League average is

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<v Speaker 1>ninety one. And I guess that kind of goes against

0:21:44.280 --> 0:21:46.920
<v Speaker 1>the narrative that some people have that like, the Diamondbacks

0:21:46.920 --> 0:21:49.439
<v Speaker 1>one through four hitters are great and the depth of

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<v Speaker 1>the lineup just isn't there. We've kind of seen this

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<v Speaker 1>kind of those numbers sort of collide together in recent

0:21:57.160 --> 0:21:59.760
<v Speaker 1>days and now the Diamondbacks are just sort of a

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<v Speaker 1>lost the board, a below average offensive team.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, you know, and if you want to think

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<v Speaker 2>about who are the players, because this is one through

0:22:08.520 --> 0:22:11.480
<v Speaker 2>four and not just one through three, right, and Gabby

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't have all his at bats in the fourth spot.

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<v Speaker 2>He was moved up from a lot and some of

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<v Speaker 2>the he's only got two hundred and thirty something played appearances,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, batting in either the third or fourth spot

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<v Speaker 2>in order, and Nolan Ronado had a significant over one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred plate appearances one hundred and sixteen I think, batting fourth,

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<v Speaker 2>and he had eighty w RC plus. And Adrian deuck

0:22:33.600 --> 0:22:37.399
<v Speaker 2>Castillo is a disaster batting fourth. He had about eighty

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<v Speaker 2>played appearances and he had a thirty WRC plus. So

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<v Speaker 2>when we talk about cleanup spot, I mean, obviously, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Dell and Nolan contributed to some of the poor numbers

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<v Speaker 2>when we look at one through four overall, but Heraldo

0:22:52.000 --> 0:22:54.919
<v Speaker 2>Padomo batting either first, second, third, or fourth has a

0:22:55.000 --> 0:22:58.560
<v Speaker 2>ninety two WRC plus. It Tell's about one hundred and four,

0:22:59.359 --> 0:23:02.960
<v Speaker 2>Gabby's hund forty three, Corbyn's in the one twenties. But

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<v Speaker 2>you know, even those four guys alone, because of the

0:23:06.840 --> 0:23:10.280
<v Speaker 2>underperformance from Katel and Perdomo this year, which has been

0:23:10.600 --> 0:23:14.480
<v Speaker 2>fairly extreme compared to what was expected of them, has

0:23:14.560 --> 0:23:17.000
<v Speaker 2>really hurt the top half of the order. A lot

0:23:17.040 --> 0:23:19.480
<v Speaker 2>of that's July, but not all of it. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>obviously July's has been a disaster, especially for Catel and Corbin,

0:23:24.960 --> 0:23:28.520
<v Speaker 2>but overall, you know, the Dbacks are not getting the

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<v Speaker 2>production out of either the top or the bottom of

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<v Speaker 2>the order that they should have got somewhat better out

0:23:34.240 --> 0:23:37.119
<v Speaker 2>of the bottom half of the order, but then the

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<v Speaker 2>bottom the top half kind of tanked, so they've never

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<v Speaker 2>been able to really get both sides of it going

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<v Speaker 2>at the same time.

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<v Speaker 1>So where does this leave the Diamondbacks and the standings.

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<v Speaker 1>We've got it for you here. I believe the Phillies

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<v Speaker 1>are still have not played their Sunday game as of

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<v Speaker 1>the time of US recording, but all of these other

0:23:56.760 --> 0:23:59.600
<v Speaker 1>all of these other teams have played. The Marlins lost

0:23:59.640 --> 0:24:02.880
<v Speaker 1>their two consecutive game, which is wild to the San

0:24:02.920 --> 0:24:06.399
<v Speaker 1>Diego Padres. The Padres now are two games behind the

0:24:06.440 --> 0:24:09.680
<v Speaker 1>Diamondbacks for that third wild card spot. As a result

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<v Speaker 1>of that, the Cardinals lost, they are a game and

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<v Speaker 1>a half out, and then the Nationals of course won.

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<v Speaker 1>The Pirates won on Sunday as well, both of those

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<v Speaker 1>teams just one game out of that third wild card spot,

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<v Speaker 1>and of course Diamondbacks playing the Pittsburgh Pirates out in

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<v Speaker 1>Pittsburgh over the next few days, and we'll talk a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit more about that series later in the show.

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna go ahead and dive into some trade deadline talk.

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<v Speaker 1>We've got a list. Jack put together a list of

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<v Speaker 1>five rental starting pitchers and five rental position players that

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<v Speaker 1>the Diamondbacks could possibly target at the trade deadline, So

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<v Speaker 1>don't go anywhere. We're going to dive in on the

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<v Speaker 1>other side of this break.

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0:26:57.640 --> 0:27:01.920
<v Speaker 1>you've been working on putting together a list of potential

0:27:01.960 --> 0:27:04.679
<v Speaker 1>trade targets for the Diamondbacks. I'm going to set the

0:27:04.680 --> 0:27:10.240
<v Speaker 1>table for this conversation with some context here. These quotes

0:27:10.280 --> 0:27:13.080
<v Speaker 1>that we've pulled are from a recent story from Nick

0:27:13.119 --> 0:27:17.320
<v Speaker 1>Pacoro over at the Arizona Republic, and this is helpful

0:27:17.359 --> 0:27:20.119
<v Speaker 1>context as we talk about this stuff. Nick writes, the

0:27:20.200 --> 0:27:23.760
<v Speaker 1>diamondbacks surprise signing of right hander Zach Gallen early in

0:27:23.800 --> 0:27:28.440
<v Speaker 1>spring training moved their payroll into unexpected territory within range

0:27:28.480 --> 0:27:32.359
<v Speaker 1>of Baseball's first luxury tax threshold. According to a source,

0:27:32.400 --> 0:27:36.480
<v Speaker 1>the club is within ten million dollars of the first threshold,

0:27:36.560 --> 0:27:40.199
<v Speaker 1>which likely means certain players won't be options prior to

0:27:40.200 --> 0:27:43.200
<v Speaker 1>August third unless their teams are willing to pay down

0:27:43.400 --> 0:27:47.120
<v Speaker 1>their salaries. And Jack, as we think about what rental

0:27:47.160 --> 0:27:51.960
<v Speaker 1>players the Diamondbacks could actually chase after. That is good

0:27:52.000 --> 0:27:55.080
<v Speaker 1>to know because if you've got less than ten million

0:27:55.160 --> 0:27:58.160
<v Speaker 1>dollars to play around with, I don't think Derek Scuball

0:27:58.280 --> 0:27:59.960
<v Speaker 1>is going to be a member of the diamond Back

0:28:00.200 --> 0:28:00.880
<v Speaker 1>anytime soon.

0:28:01.600 --> 0:28:03.480
<v Speaker 2>Well, and I just want to, you know, tack on

0:28:03.760 --> 0:28:06.840
<v Speaker 2>a conversation we had on our previous show where I

0:28:06.880 --> 0:28:10.280
<v Speaker 2>was looking at spot track and Roster Resource and they

0:28:10.320 --> 0:28:12.600
<v Speaker 2>had between two and in twenty six and two and

0:28:12.680 --> 0:28:16.920
<v Speaker 2>then thirty one million attributed to the Diamondbacks payroll. The

0:28:16.960 --> 0:28:20.120
<v Speaker 2>CBT number is two forty four, and so I estimated

0:28:20.160 --> 0:28:22.840
<v Speaker 2>it would be twelve to seventeen million, depending on which

0:28:22.920 --> 0:28:27.160
<v Speaker 2>number you believe. But apparently the DBAX number is significantly

0:28:27.240 --> 0:28:30.280
<v Speaker 2>higher than either of what they have because if they

0:28:30.320 --> 0:28:33.320
<v Speaker 2>have less than ten, that means that their payroll is

0:28:33.440 --> 0:28:38.800
<v Speaker 2>actually over you know, two hundred and thirty four million

0:28:39.200 --> 0:28:42.320
<v Speaker 2>at the moment, so uh, you know, maybe it's two

0:28:42.400 --> 0:28:44.520
<v Speaker 2>thirty five, two thirty six, you know, less than ten,

0:28:44.560 --> 0:28:46.880
<v Speaker 2>could be five, could be seven, could be eight or nine,

0:28:46.960 --> 0:28:49.880
<v Speaker 2>we don't know, but less than ten is less than ten.

0:28:50.600 --> 0:28:54.000
<v Speaker 2>So that's that's a significant number and a significant limitation.

0:28:54.720 --> 0:28:56.840
<v Speaker 2>And from the way next reporting it, we kind of

0:28:56.840 --> 0:28:59.200
<v Speaker 2>debated this point a little bit last time. I think

0:28:59.240 --> 0:29:02.680
<v Speaker 2>it's fairly clear that the team is very intent on

0:29:02.880 --> 0:29:06.400
<v Speaker 2>not going over that number. Never say never, but it

0:29:06.440 --> 0:29:09.440
<v Speaker 2>looks like they're pretty intent on not doing that. The

0:29:09.480 --> 0:29:11.440
<v Speaker 2>other thing I just want to say real quickly before

0:29:11.480 --> 0:29:14.880
<v Speaker 2>we dive into the list is, in my view, in

0:29:14.880 --> 0:29:21.320
<v Speaker 2>my opinion, because of the threat of a lockout, I'm

0:29:21.320 --> 0:29:24.320
<v Speaker 2>sitting here thinking like, Okay, what if a lockout takes

0:29:24.360 --> 0:29:27.760
<v Speaker 2>away a third or half of next season. If you're

0:29:27.800 --> 0:29:30.280
<v Speaker 2>trading for a guy with this year and one year

0:29:30.320 --> 0:29:34.000
<v Speaker 2>of control, well you're probably going to because they're end

0:29:34.080 --> 0:29:37.880
<v Speaker 2>They're likely to end up negotiating that player to the

0:29:37.880 --> 0:29:41.080
<v Speaker 2>players to receive the same service time. And so guys

0:29:41.120 --> 0:29:43.520
<v Speaker 2>that are going to be free agents at the end

0:29:43.600 --> 0:29:46.120
<v Speaker 2>of twenty twenty seven are still going to be free

0:29:46.120 --> 0:29:48.560
<v Speaker 2>agents at the end of twenty twenty seven. I mean,

0:29:48.600 --> 0:29:52.200
<v Speaker 2>everything's negotiable, but that's like none of these players are

0:29:52.240 --> 0:29:57.320
<v Speaker 2>going to vote to push out their free agency another year, right,

0:29:57.760 --> 0:30:00.040
<v Speaker 2>So that's just not going to happen. So when you

0:30:00.080 --> 0:30:03.080
<v Speaker 2>talk about getting controllable players, to me, that's a pretty

0:30:03.160 --> 0:30:06.760
<v Speaker 2>big potential negative. Now you could just say I have

0:30:06.840 --> 0:30:09.240
<v Speaker 2>confidence that we won't lose games. They'll figure it out

0:30:09.360 --> 0:30:11.120
<v Speaker 2>or go up to the last minute. But that's a

0:30:11.160 --> 0:30:13.920
<v Speaker 2>big risk to take when you're looking at the potential

0:30:13.960 --> 0:30:17.120
<v Speaker 2>for giving away prospects and you know, really pretty good

0:30:17.120 --> 0:30:20.120
<v Speaker 2>players that it's going to take to get a player

0:30:20.160 --> 0:30:22.680
<v Speaker 2>with one to two years of control, when you might

0:30:22.760 --> 0:30:26.560
<v Speaker 2>lose half that half a year. And meanwhile, the other

0:30:26.600 --> 0:30:29.720
<v Speaker 2>team has your prospect that's still developing in the minor

0:30:29.800 --> 0:30:32.600
<v Speaker 2>leagues and you never really lost any major league time

0:30:32.640 --> 0:30:35.320
<v Speaker 2>from him. So to me, that's a pretty big impediment

0:30:35.840 --> 0:30:39.320
<v Speaker 2>for going at that route. And I think that the

0:30:39.440 --> 0:30:43.000
<v Speaker 2>safest route for the Diamondbacks in this situation is the

0:30:43.040 --> 0:30:45.840
<v Speaker 2>rental market. And it's a little contrary to what Mike

0:30:45.880 --> 0:30:49.680
<v Speaker 2>said because the rental market to him sounded like an afterthought, like, oh,

0:30:49.760 --> 0:30:51.800
<v Speaker 2>we might do a challenge trade. I'd like to get

0:30:51.800 --> 0:30:54.400
<v Speaker 2>controllable players, you know, But if the players on the

0:30:54.440 --> 0:30:57.520
<v Speaker 2>field show me that they're ready to compete and you know,

0:30:57.680 --> 0:30:59.520
<v Speaker 2>and prove to me that I need to do this,

0:30:59.760 --> 0:31:02.080
<v Speaker 2>then sure I can be more a little bit aggressive

0:31:02.360 --> 0:31:04.960
<v Speaker 2>and just go after rental players. Well, I think that

0:31:05.040 --> 0:31:06.440
<v Speaker 2>should be a starting point.

0:31:07.680 --> 0:31:10.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I think that the way the Diamondbacks perform

0:31:10.760 --> 0:31:14.520
<v Speaker 1>over the next week is still important because if you know,

0:31:14.600 --> 0:31:16.880
<v Speaker 1>if they slip a couple games in the standings, then

0:31:17.240 --> 0:31:19.479
<v Speaker 1>if you're Mike, you're maybe asking, like, all right, am

0:31:19.520 --> 0:31:23.480
<v Speaker 1>I really willing to trade like a pretty solid package

0:31:23.480 --> 0:31:26.000
<v Speaker 1>of prospects for a starting pitcher that I'm just going

0:31:26.080 --> 0:31:28.200
<v Speaker 1>to have for two months? You know, you have to

0:31:28.440 --> 0:31:31.600
<v Speaker 1>really decide that this team is worth pushing the chips in,

0:31:32.120 --> 0:31:35.520
<v Speaker 1>and it's it's important for this team to play well,

0:31:35.640 --> 0:31:39.280
<v Speaker 1>especially against Pittsburgh over these next few days. To dive

0:31:39.320 --> 0:31:42.600
<v Speaker 1>into the list, here, Jack, you've got five. As usually,

0:31:42.680 --> 0:31:45.160
<v Speaker 1>you have a lovely table for us where we can

0:31:45.200 --> 0:31:48.480
<v Speaker 1>see all of all of their stats. I'll go ahead

0:31:48.520 --> 0:31:50.520
<v Speaker 1>and just list these guys out and then we can

0:31:50.600 --> 0:31:52.880
<v Speaker 1>start at the top. We've got Robbie Ray of the

0:31:52.880 --> 0:31:56.080
<v Speaker 1>San Francisco Giants, Clay Holmes of the New York Mets,

0:31:56.320 --> 0:31:59.680
<v Speaker 1>who does have a player option for twenty twenty seven.

0:31:59.720 --> 0:32:03.520
<v Speaker 1>He is not likely to exercise that, but is worth noting.

0:32:03.800 --> 0:32:07.000
<v Speaker 1>Kevin Gosman of the Toronto Blue Jays is here, Tyler

0:32:07.040 --> 0:32:10.360
<v Speaker 1>Mallley of the San Francisco Giants, and then Brady Singer

0:32:10.480 --> 0:32:15.160
<v Speaker 1>of the Cincinnati Reds and as another caveat here, certainly

0:32:15.200 --> 0:32:19.000
<v Speaker 1>there are other starting pitchers who could be available. We

0:32:19.160 --> 0:32:22.160
<v Speaker 1>just saw Foster Griffin look really good against the Diamondbacks.

0:32:22.160 --> 0:32:25.520
<v Speaker 1>I think totally possible that the Nationals make him available,

0:32:25.760 --> 0:32:28.200
<v Speaker 1>but we don't really know yet, and so the focus

0:32:28.240 --> 0:32:30.960
<v Speaker 1>for right now is on guys that we are very

0:32:31.000 --> 0:32:34.080
<v Speaker 1>confident will be available. I think all of these teams

0:32:34.160 --> 0:32:38.160
<v Speaker 1>are are pretty safe, pretty safe as sellers at this point.

0:32:38.600 --> 0:32:40.400
<v Speaker 1>And I guess we'll start at the top here. Jack

0:32:40.520 --> 0:32:44.920
<v Speaker 1>Robbie Ray familiar name. He's making six point nine million

0:32:45.000 --> 0:32:48.200
<v Speaker 1>dollars from the trade deadline through the end of the season,

0:32:48.360 --> 0:32:51.160
<v Speaker 1>so that's about the amount of money that you need

0:32:51.200 --> 0:32:53.440
<v Speaker 1>to take on there. He's got a three three four

0:32:53.520 --> 0:32:56.520
<v Speaker 1>ERA this season in one hundred and ten innings, but

0:32:56.600 --> 0:32:59.880
<v Speaker 1>as we can see here, the peripherals not quite as promising.

0:33:00.880 --> 0:33:03.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, in Robbie's case, you know, Jesse was the one

0:33:03.760 --> 0:33:05.480
<v Speaker 2>that pointed it out to me that, you know, his

0:33:05.520 --> 0:33:08.480
<v Speaker 2>fastball just isn't quite what it was. But he's an

0:33:08.480 --> 0:33:10.920
<v Speaker 2>experienced thirty four year old left hander who the Dbacs

0:33:10.920 --> 0:33:13.680
<v Speaker 2>have a lot of familiality with, and he's familiar with

0:33:13.680 --> 0:33:17.120
<v Speaker 2>this organization of course, so you know there there could

0:33:17.200 --> 0:33:19.200
<v Speaker 2>be something workable, but the Giants would have to take

0:33:19.240 --> 0:33:22.040
<v Speaker 2>about two three million of that payroll. I mean, there's

0:33:22.040 --> 0:33:24.400
<v Speaker 2>no way the Dbacks can afford to pay Robby Ray

0:33:24.440 --> 0:33:27.520
<v Speaker 2>seven million dollars, right Maybe they could pay him three or.

0:33:27.520 --> 0:33:32.920
<v Speaker 1>Four Yeah, yeah, I don't just given the underlying numbers here,

0:33:32.960 --> 0:33:35.000
<v Speaker 1>the four six six FIP, the four nine to two

0:33:35.200 --> 0:33:37.240
<v Speaker 1>x FIP, I don't know if any team would would

0:33:37.280 --> 0:33:40.680
<v Speaker 1>be comfortable taking on all that money. Maybe possible, but

0:33:41.040 --> 0:33:44.440
<v Speaker 1>definitely something that could factor in from the d Backs perspective.

0:33:44.760 --> 0:33:49.600
<v Speaker 1>Clay Holmes is probably the most attractive name on this list.

0:33:49.640 --> 0:33:52.120
<v Speaker 1>He has a two to three nine ERA this season

0:33:52.280 --> 0:33:55.760
<v Speaker 1>in fifty three innings. The underlying numbers here are pretty

0:33:55.760 --> 0:33:59.200
<v Speaker 1>good as well. He is the ground ball specialist of

0:33:59.240 --> 0:34:02.560
<v Speaker 1>all ground ball specialists. That's been a big part of

0:34:02.560 --> 0:34:05.400
<v Speaker 1>his game for a while, a fifty five percent ground

0:34:05.400 --> 0:34:09.160
<v Speaker 1>ball rate this year. The challenge with him is that

0:34:09.239 --> 0:34:12.080
<v Speaker 1>he is on the injured list right now. He had

0:34:12.320 --> 0:34:17.040
<v Speaker 1>a fractured fibula back in May because of a comebacker.

0:34:17.120 --> 0:34:19.880
<v Speaker 1>Pretty rough injury there, but he's on his way back

0:34:20.000 --> 0:34:21.799
<v Speaker 1>and I have a feeling there will be a lot

0:34:21.880 --> 0:34:23.240
<v Speaker 1>of suitors for Clay Holmes.

0:34:23.760 --> 0:34:26.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Holmes has already thrown one rehab game. He went

0:34:26.760 --> 0:34:28.640
<v Speaker 2>two and a thirds inning, so he had three updowns,

0:34:28.640 --> 0:34:31.000
<v Speaker 2>he threw fifty one pitches. He's going to go again

0:34:31.120 --> 0:34:33.920
<v Speaker 2>on the twenty eighth, and Andy Green of the Mets

0:34:33.960 --> 0:34:36.920
<v Speaker 2>said that Clay Holmes will be available to return to

0:34:37.000 --> 0:34:40.520
<v Speaker 2>the major league roster after that next rehab start, So

0:34:40.560 --> 0:34:43.839
<v Speaker 2>he'll probably get four updowns sixty something pitches in his

0:34:43.880 --> 0:34:46.799
<v Speaker 2>next outing, and then with the ability to go five

0:34:46.880 --> 0:34:50.520
<v Speaker 2>updowns and seventy plus pitches, they would bring him back

0:34:50.520 --> 0:34:53.560
<v Speaker 2>to the majors. So the timing on that means that

0:34:53.560 --> 0:34:56.440
<v Speaker 2>that next outing would be after the trade deadline. If

0:34:56.480 --> 0:34:58.680
<v Speaker 2>he's still in New York met then he'll pitch for them.

0:34:59.440 --> 0:35:02.040
<v Speaker 2>But you know, know, if his next rehab outing looks good,

0:35:02.040 --> 0:35:03.640
<v Speaker 2>and I bet there'll be a lot of scouts there

0:35:03.880 --> 0:35:07.680
<v Speaker 2>seeing what he looks like, then you know he'll certainly

0:35:07.680 --> 0:35:11.040
<v Speaker 2>be a much desired pitcher. He's only owed three point

0:35:11.040 --> 0:35:15.080
<v Speaker 2>eight million from August fourth onward. I definitely think that

0:35:15.120 --> 0:35:19.200
<v Speaker 2>he's somebody that is going to be sought after. And

0:35:19.239 --> 0:35:22.000
<v Speaker 2>then the next guy on the list was Kevin Golsman,

0:35:22.600 --> 0:35:25.399
<v Speaker 2>now Kevin golfman's you know, the whole Toronto Blue Jays

0:35:25.400 --> 0:35:28.239
<v Speaker 2>team is having a bad year. And he's got a

0:35:28.280 --> 0:35:30.960
<v Speaker 2>four or five one ERA and one hundred and sixteen innings,

0:35:31.320 --> 0:35:34.280
<v Speaker 2>but his FIP and x FIP or a run lower

0:35:34.480 --> 0:35:36.879
<v Speaker 2>or almost a run lower three six eight and three

0:35:37.040 --> 0:35:40.719
<v Speaker 2>eight seven. He's still got excellent strikeout to walk ratios.

0:35:40.960 --> 0:35:42.520
<v Speaker 2>He's just been giving up a little bit more home

0:35:42.600 --> 0:35:46.000
<v Speaker 2>runs than he usually does twenty four percent, strikeout, seven

0:35:46.000 --> 0:35:49.359
<v Speaker 2>percent walk, one point two home runs per nine. He's

0:35:49.400 --> 0:35:52.240
<v Speaker 2>owed six point six million dollars from August fourth onward.

0:35:52.560 --> 0:35:54.920
<v Speaker 2>Here Again, the Diamondbacks probably need the Blue Jays to

0:35:54.920 --> 0:35:57.480
<v Speaker 2>pick up at least a couple million of that, and

0:35:57.520 --> 0:35:59.040
<v Speaker 2>there's going to be other teams out there that are

0:35:59.040 --> 0:36:02.680
<v Speaker 2>looking for starting pitch. So if you're looking for, you know,

0:36:02.800 --> 0:36:05.160
<v Speaker 2>just to add on here, I mean, the other teams

0:36:05.440 --> 0:36:08.480
<v Speaker 2>absorbing all of that salary would not have to give

0:36:08.560 --> 0:36:11.480
<v Speaker 2>as good a prospect the Diamondbacks. If they can't take

0:36:11.520 --> 0:36:13.000
<v Speaker 2>all the salary, then they're going to have to give

0:36:13.080 --> 0:36:15.520
<v Speaker 2>up a better prospect to get there. The last two

0:36:15.600 --> 0:36:19.640
<v Speaker 2>names on the list are basically innings eaters who are

0:36:19.640 --> 0:36:22.879
<v Speaker 2>not having very good seasons. Tyler Mallley's got a five

0:36:22.920 --> 0:36:26.440
<v Speaker 2>to three one ERA, although his peripherals of FIP and

0:36:26.600 --> 0:36:28.319
<v Speaker 2>x FIP are a bit lower at four to five

0:36:28.320 --> 0:36:31.600
<v Speaker 2>to two and four to two three. He's giving up

0:36:31.600 --> 0:36:33.440
<v Speaker 2>a lot of home runs two and he's walking more

0:36:33.480 --> 0:36:36.240
<v Speaker 2>guys than usually get from him nine point two percent.

0:36:36.760 --> 0:36:39.920
<v Speaker 2>Grady Singer seems that you know, he's come across to

0:36:39.920 --> 0:36:42.919
<v Speaker 2>our radar time and time again over the years when

0:36:42.960 --> 0:36:45.400
<v Speaker 2>you think about somebody that could be a starting pitcher

0:36:45.400 --> 0:36:48.480
<v Speaker 2>for you, again, he's an innings eater. He's got a

0:36:48.480 --> 0:36:50.960
<v Speaker 2>four or five three ERA, pitching in a very home

0:36:51.040 --> 0:36:54.120
<v Speaker 2>run friendly ballpark where he's allowed one point eight home

0:36:54.200 --> 0:36:57.839
<v Speaker 2>runs per nine. But you know, Chase Field and Great

0:36:57.840 --> 0:37:00.919
<v Speaker 2>American Ballpark are not the same place. Maybe Singer would

0:37:00.960 --> 0:37:04.480
<v Speaker 2>fare better in Chase Field with some young, fast outfielders

0:37:05.360 --> 0:37:07.759
<v Speaker 2>and bigger dimensions. So you know, if he can keep

0:37:07.800 --> 0:37:09.600
<v Speaker 2>the ball in the ballpark at Chase Field, he might

0:37:09.640 --> 0:37:14.560
<v Speaker 2>be a surprisingly good addition for the Diamondbacks. Certainly a

0:37:14.760 --> 0:37:17.160
<v Speaker 2>guy with experience, I could give him innings for me.

0:37:18.400 --> 0:37:20.840
<v Speaker 2>This is not only about navigating your way through the

0:37:20.840 --> 0:37:22.680
<v Speaker 2>rest of the season. I mean, we're pretty confident that

0:37:22.760 --> 0:37:25.759
<v Speaker 2>Soroka is going to come back soon, you know, and

0:37:25.800 --> 0:37:28.919
<v Speaker 2>then at some point, you know, maybe Gallon comes back,

0:37:29.000 --> 0:37:32.640
<v Speaker 2>maybe Corman Burn's come back, maybe Ryan Nelson comes back,

0:37:32.719 --> 0:37:34.719
<v Speaker 2>or maybe he goes to the bullpen. But you can't

0:37:34.719 --> 0:37:37.560
<v Speaker 2>really count on any of those guys. And you really

0:37:37.600 --> 0:37:40.960
<v Speaker 2>need two right now. You need two pitchers from whoever

0:37:41.000 --> 0:37:43.960
<v Speaker 2>you pick up at the trade deadline, plus you're returning

0:37:44.000 --> 0:37:47.040
<v Speaker 2>starters to actually be able to step into rotation. But

0:37:47.360 --> 0:37:51.759
<v Speaker 2>think about the postseason two. You know, who's going to

0:37:51.840 --> 0:37:56.640
<v Speaker 2>start Game three or four, especially if you manage to

0:37:56.640 --> 0:37:59.040
<v Speaker 2>make it to the division series. Who's going to start

0:37:59.080 --> 0:38:02.560
<v Speaker 2>for game four for you in a division series? So

0:38:02.680 --> 0:38:04.800
<v Speaker 2>that's why I'm thinking about like a guy like a

0:38:04.880 --> 0:38:09.920
<v Speaker 2>Gusman or Holmes or Robbie Ray, like somebody with some gravitas,

0:38:09.960 --> 0:38:12.160
<v Speaker 2>Like okay, I could put that guy on the mound

0:38:12.200 --> 0:38:15.080
<v Speaker 2>in a playoff game in game four and give it

0:38:15.120 --> 0:38:15.520
<v Speaker 2>a shot.

0:38:16.920 --> 0:38:19.200
<v Speaker 1>Or the DBACS could just do a bullpen game again,

0:38:19.480 --> 0:38:22.239
<v Speaker 1>you know, worked against the Phillies. Just just throwing that

0:38:22.280 --> 0:38:27.359
<v Speaker 1>out there. No, they should, they should do that. I

0:38:27.400 --> 0:38:31.360
<v Speaker 1>think where I land on this is I have a

0:38:31.480 --> 0:38:35.239
<v Speaker 1>hard time seeing Mike Hazen push the chips in on

0:38:35.360 --> 0:38:38.799
<v Speaker 1>a clay Holmes, maybe even on a Kevin Gosman. The

0:38:38.880 --> 0:38:43.239
<v Speaker 1>more attractive rentals in this market, I think are going

0:38:43.280 --> 0:38:46.640
<v Speaker 1>to be quite expensive. I think back to twenty twenty three,

0:38:47.120 --> 0:38:50.000
<v Speaker 1>a decision that I think Mike Kyson later regretted, but

0:38:50.560 --> 0:38:53.759
<v Speaker 1>he apparently was asked for Brandon Foi for Lucas Giolito,

0:38:54.320 --> 0:38:57.040
<v Speaker 1>and at the time that was it was a good

0:38:57.040 --> 0:38:58.880
<v Speaker 1>thing he did not do that. Brandon Fought wound up

0:38:58.920 --> 0:39:01.279
<v Speaker 1>pitching quite well in the post season for the Diamondbacks,

0:39:01.440 --> 0:39:04.360
<v Speaker 1>and that was a really big asking price for, you know,

0:39:04.440 --> 0:39:07.800
<v Speaker 1>two months of a solid but not elite starter in

0:39:07.880 --> 0:39:11.640
<v Speaker 1>Lucas Giolito. And I think if you're Mike Hazen and

0:39:11.719 --> 0:39:14.600
<v Speaker 1>you're looking at the roster you have right now, I'm

0:39:14.680 --> 0:39:18.000
<v Speaker 1>just not sure that the talent is here to warrant

0:39:18.400 --> 0:39:21.760
<v Speaker 1>going all in on this season, at least to that level.

0:39:22.160 --> 0:39:26.840
<v Speaker 1>I just think realistically this team seems more in the

0:39:26.880 --> 0:39:30.839
<v Speaker 1>middle than at the top. Certainly that's what the standings say,

0:39:31.280 --> 0:39:33.719
<v Speaker 1>and I just have a hard time seeing Hazen be

0:39:33.800 --> 0:39:37.399
<v Speaker 1>that aggressive. What I could maybe see is to two

0:39:37.480 --> 0:39:40.719
<v Speaker 1>different options. One is you get at Tyler Mattley, you

0:39:40.840 --> 0:39:43.719
<v Speaker 1>get a maybe Brady Singer is in this category two,

0:39:43.800 --> 0:39:46.600
<v Speaker 1>a rental that like isn't gonna cost much because the

0:39:46.640 --> 0:39:49.640
<v Speaker 1>pitcher just flat out isn't all that great and very

0:39:49.640 --> 0:39:52.239
<v Speaker 1>well could get pushed out of the rotation if the

0:39:52.320 --> 0:39:55.760
<v Speaker 1>d Backs get enough guys back from injury. But maybe

0:39:55.880 --> 0:39:58.480
<v Speaker 1>that wouldn't that wouldn't be terrible because you wouldn't have

0:39:58.560 --> 0:40:00.839
<v Speaker 1>to give up that much to get them. The other

0:40:00.880 --> 0:40:03.520
<v Speaker 1>option I could see, which I don't think is likely,

0:40:03.960 --> 0:40:06.239
<v Speaker 1>but we know Mike Haysn would love to do it.

0:40:06.239 --> 0:40:10.640
<v Speaker 1>It's Redebt Mers, It's Jose Soriano, It's you know, one

0:40:10.640 --> 0:40:14.120
<v Speaker 1>of those bigger name, controllable starting pitchers that we know

0:40:14.239 --> 0:40:17.080
<v Speaker 1>Mike Hasn is always chasing after. And I have a

0:40:17.120 --> 0:40:19.960
<v Speaker 1>feeling he's going to land in one of those two camps.

0:40:20.000 --> 0:40:23.600
<v Speaker 1>And certainly that's not a guarantee that the Dbacks are

0:40:23.640 --> 0:40:25.319
<v Speaker 1>going to land a starter, but I think it will

0:40:25.320 --> 0:40:27.680
<v Speaker 1>look like one of those two things if it does happen.

0:40:29.080 --> 0:40:34.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, or I'm just throwing it out there. Would you

0:40:34.680 --> 0:40:38.280
<v Speaker 2>be willing to part with David Hagman and another starter

0:40:38.480 --> 0:40:45.160
<v Speaker 2>maybe in Ashton? Is he to get to read school here?

0:40:45.160 --> 0:40:48.200
<v Speaker 2>Maybe try to get and maybe try to get you know,

0:40:49.160 --> 0:40:50.399
<v Speaker 2>I mean if you're going to talk to me about

0:40:50.440 --> 0:40:53.600
<v Speaker 2>redebt mers. That's going to be really expensive. So you know,

0:40:53.680 --> 0:40:57.040
<v Speaker 2>the one thing I'm thinking of also is they probably

0:40:57.080 --> 0:41:01.239
<v Speaker 2>should make some kind of offer to the Tigers that's

0:41:01.280 --> 0:41:05.400
<v Speaker 2>substantial to force the Dodgers to pay a higher price,

0:41:05.840 --> 0:41:07.600
<v Speaker 2>because the Dodgers are going to get to Schooble.

0:41:10.160 --> 0:41:12.400
<v Speaker 1>That's fair. If nothing else is to drive up the

0:41:12.440 --> 0:41:15.080
<v Speaker 1>price for the Dodgers, you might as well just you know,

0:41:15.200 --> 0:41:17.960
<v Speaker 1>throw demitriro Croissants his name in there or something, just

0:41:18.000 --> 0:41:18.640
<v Speaker 1>for good measure.

0:41:20.239 --> 0:41:22.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I mean, look, I don't know what the right offer.

0:41:22.200 --> 0:41:25.440
<v Speaker 2>I know that from reading today and reading what about

0:41:25.560 --> 0:41:29.160
<v Speaker 2>Nightingale wrote, you know, the Tiger is probably looking for pitching.

0:41:30.600 --> 0:41:33.279
<v Speaker 2>You know, maybe you give Mitch Bratt, who's got at

0:41:33.320 --> 0:41:35.759
<v Speaker 2>least some major league experience, or Cole Drake one of

0:41:35.800 --> 0:41:39.239
<v Speaker 2>those two guys, plus you know, a pitching prospect like

0:41:39.280 --> 0:41:42.560
<v Speaker 2>Hageman who's got some pretty high perceived upside. I mean,

0:41:42.600 --> 0:41:44.480
<v Speaker 2>that's a lot to pay for two months of touring school.

0:41:44.640 --> 0:41:47.560
<v Speaker 2>But that's that's a push your chips into the middle

0:41:48.200 --> 0:41:50.759
<v Speaker 2>type of move, right, I Mean, that's like, okay, let's

0:41:50.800 --> 0:41:52.920
<v Speaker 2>just go for this. So if they did want to

0:41:52.960 --> 0:41:55.920
<v Speaker 2>go for it. That's what that would look like. I,

0:41:56.360 --> 0:41:59.680
<v Speaker 2>you know, probably our prospect towns and and uh, you

0:41:59.719 --> 0:42:03.720
<v Speaker 2>know amongst our listeners are throwing something at their computer

0:42:03.760 --> 0:42:06.480
<v Speaker 2>screens right now as they're watching this, or smashing their

0:42:06.520 --> 0:42:07.400
<v Speaker 2>phone on the table.

0:42:08.320 --> 0:42:11.680
<v Speaker 1>I mean, my honest opinion on that is, I don't

0:42:11.680 --> 0:42:14.200
<v Speaker 1>think that gets it done. I think David Hageman is

0:42:14.200 --> 0:42:17.200
<v Speaker 1>a well regarded pitching prospect, but I don't think he

0:42:17.280 --> 0:42:20.080
<v Speaker 1>gets you, Trek Skoogle. I think other teams are going

0:42:20.120 --> 0:42:23.680
<v Speaker 1>to be able to offer more major league ready, compelling

0:42:23.800 --> 0:42:27.200
<v Speaker 1>starting pitching talent, and Mitch brad unfortunately, from what we've

0:42:27.200 --> 0:42:30.640
<v Speaker 1>seen his past few outings is really the only outings

0:42:30.640 --> 0:42:33.040
<v Speaker 1>he has in the majors. I don't think he's going

0:42:33.120 --> 0:42:35.279
<v Speaker 1>to be that guy to entice them either, but hey,

0:42:35.760 --> 0:42:38.560
<v Speaker 1>you never know, maybe it's possible. Let's go ahead and

0:42:38.600 --> 0:42:42.000
<v Speaker 1>switch over to the hitting side of things, Jack. I

0:42:42.040 --> 0:42:44.719
<v Speaker 1>know you had five names here as well that you

0:42:44.760 --> 0:42:48.239
<v Speaker 1>wrote about over at Arizona Diamondbacks on SI. We've talked

0:42:48.239 --> 0:42:52.600
<v Speaker 1>about Nathaniel Lowe several times on the show. First base

0:42:52.719 --> 0:42:56.719
<v Speaker 1>DH left handed hitter, you know, one fifteen ish WRC

0:42:56.840 --> 0:42:59.240
<v Speaker 1>plus has an eight hundred ohps this year or something

0:42:59.320 --> 0:43:03.120
<v Speaker 1>right around that. I think we've covered him pretty well

0:43:03.160 --> 0:43:05.880
<v Speaker 1>at this point. I guess the one other thing I

0:43:05.880 --> 0:43:07.560
<v Speaker 1>would say is he's more of a DH than a

0:43:07.600 --> 0:43:10.640
<v Speaker 1>first baseman. First base metrics are not great there, so

0:43:10.680 --> 0:43:12.520
<v Speaker 1>that would be something to keep in mind with him.

0:43:13.120 --> 0:43:15.000
<v Speaker 1>The next name you have on your list, which I

0:43:15.040 --> 0:43:16.680
<v Speaker 1>think we have touched on a little bit but not

0:43:16.719 --> 0:43:20.760
<v Speaker 1>a whole lot, is Luisa Rise of the San Francisco Giants.

0:43:21.360 --> 0:43:24.640
<v Speaker 1>The bat is certainly attractive, there's no question there. But

0:43:25.520 --> 0:43:26.480
<v Speaker 1>where's he going to play?

0:43:27.800 --> 0:43:30.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Well, in Arise's case, I mean, look, he could

0:43:30.239 --> 0:43:32.440
<v Speaker 2>either split some he could split some time with Kutel

0:43:32.480 --> 0:43:35.080
<v Speaker 2>at second base and then also take some reps at

0:43:35.120 --> 0:43:38.440
<v Speaker 2>first In DH, I know he stated a preference to

0:43:39.440 --> 0:43:41.920
<v Speaker 2>stay at second base, but he doesn't have a no

0:43:42.000 --> 0:43:44.600
<v Speaker 2>trade clause, you know, and if you want to go

0:43:44.640 --> 0:43:47.439
<v Speaker 2>to a playoff team, then have a chance to get

0:43:47.440 --> 0:43:49.319
<v Speaker 2>your at bets and hit near the top of the

0:43:49.400 --> 0:43:51.960
<v Speaker 2>order a Dembacks or a team that could offer him that.

0:43:52.880 --> 0:43:55.080
<v Speaker 2>You know, he's still got the elite backed ball skills

0:43:55.960 --> 0:43:58.680
<v Speaker 2>and he's really good at runners in scoring position. As always,

0:43:58.719 --> 0:44:03.120
<v Speaker 2>He's batting three forty four statcas says he's plus nine.

0:44:03.120 --> 0:44:07.279
<v Speaker 2>Fielding run value DRS. Defensive run saves has zero, so

0:44:07.400 --> 0:44:09.120
<v Speaker 2>you know he's plus five.

0:44:09.880 --> 0:44:13.280
<v Speaker 1>He's either the best defender in baseball or completely average,

0:44:13.320 --> 0:44:13.879
<v Speaker 1>one of the two.

0:44:15.920 --> 0:44:19.440
<v Speaker 2>This is why I average them, folks. He'll be owed

0:44:19.480 --> 0:44:21.960
<v Speaker 2>another three point six million from the trade deadline on,

0:44:22.080 --> 0:44:24.960
<v Speaker 2>so it's affordable. It's in the range of what they

0:44:24.960 --> 0:44:28.000
<v Speaker 2>could pay for. You know, it's just a matter are

0:44:28.000 --> 0:44:31.200
<v Speaker 2>you willing to bring in a player who may not

0:44:31.239 --> 0:44:33.359
<v Speaker 2>be all that happy about not playing second base all

0:44:33.400 --> 0:44:36.920
<v Speaker 2>the time. That's really the only downside there, and the

0:44:36.960 --> 0:44:38.480
<v Speaker 2>fact that you have to trade a prospect to a

0:44:38.520 --> 0:44:39.320
<v Speaker 2>divisional rival.

0:44:40.880 --> 0:44:44.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and Luisa Rise is going to be a popular commodity.

0:44:44.600 --> 0:44:47.560
<v Speaker 1>He's one of the few valuable players that we pretty

0:44:47.640 --> 0:44:49.719
<v Speaker 1>much know is going to be traded as long as

0:44:49.719 --> 0:44:53.720
<v Speaker 1>he stays healthy, Diamondbacks would not be alone in his market.

0:44:54.320 --> 0:44:58.000
<v Speaker 1>There's three other names on the list here. I'm not

0:44:58.040 --> 0:45:01.560
<v Speaker 1>gonna lie. I don't love any of them, but the

0:45:01.560 --> 0:45:04.799
<v Speaker 1>first one is fun. It's Dalton varshow old friend from

0:45:04.800 --> 0:45:08.480
<v Speaker 1>the Toronto Blue Jays of var show this season slashing

0:45:08.560 --> 0:45:11.520
<v Speaker 1>two forty three three zero six three eighty two a

0:45:11.640 --> 0:45:14.920
<v Speaker 1>ninety two WRC plus. He of course bats left handed,

0:45:15.280 --> 0:45:19.560
<v Speaker 1>plays a very good defensive center field. It's not a

0:45:19.600 --> 0:45:22.040
<v Speaker 1>slam dunk jack. He would not be. You know, he

0:45:22.080 --> 0:45:25.000
<v Speaker 1>does have some power, but he's a below average hitter

0:45:25.400 --> 0:45:28.600
<v Speaker 1>all together. Certainly be on base percentage. You're not expecting

0:45:28.640 --> 0:45:31.520
<v Speaker 1>a ton there, but it would be fun for the

0:45:31.640 --> 0:45:34.360
<v Speaker 1>vibes and the defense of course.

0:45:35.400 --> 0:45:37.839
<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean, look, you know Dalton varshow last year

0:45:38.000 --> 0:45:40.839
<v Speaker 2>had twenty homers in two hundred and seventy seven at bats.

0:45:40.840 --> 0:45:42.600
<v Speaker 2>When he came back. I think he had a really

0:45:42.600 --> 0:45:46.279
<v Speaker 2>bad hamstring Industry in injury. If I'm not mistaken, I

0:45:46.280 --> 0:45:48.440
<v Speaker 2>think it was a hamstring. But he came back and

0:45:48.480 --> 0:45:51.840
<v Speaker 2>he hit twenty homers in two hundred and seventy seventy

0:45:51.840 --> 0:45:55.080
<v Speaker 2>one played appearances. Right, he had a one twenty OPS

0:45:55.120 --> 0:45:58.759
<v Speaker 2>plus for his career. He's a ninety eight OPS plus hitter.

0:45:58.760 --> 0:46:02.400
<v Speaker 2>I mean, he's a league hitter with you know, lower

0:46:02.440 --> 0:46:06.360
<v Speaker 2>obp who has some pop and left handed bat that

0:46:06.400 --> 0:46:09.960
<v Speaker 2>can hit home runs against right handed pitching, and uh,

0:46:10.200 --> 0:46:14.239
<v Speaker 2>you know that could potentially replace a Max Kepler in

0:46:14.280 --> 0:46:17.439
<v Speaker 2>the lineup, right, Like, if you're looking for a guy

0:46:18.120 --> 0:46:21.520
<v Speaker 2>that left handed has some power, that's that's a Max

0:46:21.600 --> 0:46:26.479
<v Speaker 2>Kepler profile, more or less offensively with better even better

0:46:26.520 --> 0:46:29.839
<v Speaker 2>defense in the outfield. You know, pretty much if you

0:46:29.840 --> 0:46:32.680
<v Speaker 2>bring him in by default, dald Varsher goes out to

0:46:32.719 --> 0:46:35.520
<v Speaker 2>center field and he's your center fielder, and he can

0:46:35.560 --> 0:46:38.439
<v Speaker 2>push the Towers and the Waltsmiths of the world over

0:46:38.520 --> 0:46:44.440
<v Speaker 2>to the corners. So you know, he's it's possibility. I'm

0:46:44.480 --> 0:46:47.440
<v Speaker 2>not saying it's the best option, but it's an option,

0:46:48.440 --> 0:46:50.719
<v Speaker 2>and there aren't a lot of them out there. The

0:46:50.800 --> 0:46:53.719
<v Speaker 2>other thing about var Show is he'd be owed about

0:46:53.719 --> 0:46:57.880
<v Speaker 2>three million dollars UH to give or take from the

0:46:57.920 --> 0:47:01.759
<v Speaker 2>trade deadline on the next guy I talked about it,

0:47:01.800 --> 0:47:03.400
<v Speaker 2>By the way, I wrote an article about this on

0:47:03.520 --> 0:47:07.120
<v Speaker 2>Diamondbacks on S I was George Springer. Now, George Springer's

0:47:07.120 --> 0:47:09.040
<v Speaker 2>getting old, long in the tooth, and he's having a

0:47:09.040 --> 0:47:11.520
<v Speaker 2>down year. He's sitting two twenty six with a six

0:47:11.600 --> 0:47:13.680
<v Speaker 2>to ninety six ops. That's what it was a couple

0:47:13.800 --> 0:47:17.759
<v Speaker 2>days ago when I wrote the article. Ten homers, but

0:47:17.920 --> 0:47:20.160
<v Speaker 2>it was only one year removed from a bounce back

0:47:20.160 --> 0:47:22.640
<v Speaker 2>season where he hit thirty two homers and drove in

0:47:22.680 --> 0:47:26.520
<v Speaker 2>eighty four runs. You know, the thing about Springer he's

0:47:26.600 --> 0:47:29.560
<v Speaker 2>dhing now, he's not even playing outfield. He's right handed,

0:47:30.280 --> 0:47:32.040
<v Speaker 2>so he's not really a good fit there. But the

0:47:32.120 --> 0:47:38.120
<v Speaker 2>one thing about Singer, that Springer that really attracts me

0:47:38.640 --> 0:47:41.640
<v Speaker 2>his twenty three career postseason homers in three hundred and

0:47:41.680 --> 0:47:45.839
<v Speaker 2>eighty four played appearances, including three last year in the ALCS,

0:47:45.880 --> 0:47:48.960
<v Speaker 2>four overall in the playoffs. This guy has played on

0:47:49.000 --> 0:47:50.600
<v Speaker 2>the big stage and he knows how to get it

0:47:50.640 --> 0:47:53.160
<v Speaker 2>done in big moments. He's just had a knack for

0:47:53.280 --> 0:47:55.720
<v Speaker 2>doing that. And if you are bringing in a rental

0:47:56.480 --> 0:47:58.719
<v Speaker 2>then maybe that's what you're hoping for to catch you know,

0:47:58.800 --> 0:48:01.359
<v Speaker 2>for a guy like that to catch fire and help

0:48:01.400 --> 0:48:02.239
<v Speaker 2>you in the postseason.

0:48:03.400 --> 0:48:07.360
<v Speaker 1>George Springer, I will throw out there, has two hits

0:48:08.120 --> 0:48:11.319
<v Speaker 1>in five of his last seven games and has an

0:48:11.360 --> 0:48:14.759
<v Speaker 1>eight sixty seven ops in the month of July. So

0:48:15.840 --> 0:48:18.759
<v Speaker 1>he really struggled early in the season, but his June

0:48:18.840 --> 0:48:22.279
<v Speaker 1>numbers were decent. His ops there was seven thirty eight,

0:48:22.680 --> 0:48:24.839
<v Speaker 1>and in July he just seems to be getting hotter

0:48:24.880 --> 0:48:28.520
<v Speaker 1>and hotter. So I do think that's interesting, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>is he going to be the George Springer from last

0:48:30.600 --> 0:48:33.120
<v Speaker 1>season who was one of the best players in baseball,

0:48:33.160 --> 0:48:36.120
<v Speaker 1>probably not, but maybe you could catch lightning in a bottle,

0:48:36.400 --> 0:48:39.359
<v Speaker 1>assuming that the Blue Jays are willing to pay down

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<v Speaker 1>some of the money there.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, he's owed over seven million dollars, I think, so

0:48:44.280 --> 0:48:47.719
<v Speaker 2>you know, probably you know Dbacks would again need him

0:48:47.760 --> 0:48:50.040
<v Speaker 2>to take down you know, two or three million of that.

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<v Speaker 1>The last name on the list is Lane Thomas of

0:48:53.719 --> 0:48:59.279
<v Speaker 1>the Kansas City Royals. Thomas is totally fine one oh

0:48:59.400 --> 0:49:02.680
<v Speaker 1>seven op plus two thirty three, three thirty three ninety

0:49:02.680 --> 0:49:06.279
<v Speaker 1>seven slash line. He's a guy we've talked about in

0:49:06.280 --> 0:49:09.239
<v Speaker 1>the past, is a trade target for the Diamondbacks. The

0:49:09.600 --> 0:49:12.120
<v Speaker 1>challenge here is you kind of wish he hit left handed?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean for me, Thomas, he has a higher

0:49:17.560 --> 0:49:22.799
<v Speaker 2>floor obviously than Walshman and twa. You know, you're really

0:49:22.800 --> 0:49:25.000
<v Speaker 2>only going to should only play him on the corners.

0:49:25.239 --> 0:49:26.920
<v Speaker 2>He's playing a lot of center field for the Royals,

0:49:26.920 --> 0:49:32.040
<v Speaker 2>but he's bad in center field minus nine in however

0:49:32.080 --> 0:49:35.759
<v Speaker 2>many games, you know. And he's been more or less

0:49:35.760 --> 0:49:38.160
<v Speaker 2>over the last I mean, his peak season was twenty

0:49:38.200 --> 0:49:40.640
<v Speaker 2>three yet twenty eight homers had a one to fifteen

0:49:40.640 --> 0:49:44.959
<v Speaker 2>ops plus and since then he's been about a league

0:49:45.000 --> 0:49:48.760
<v Speaker 2>average hitter. Give or take a league average right handed

0:49:48.800 --> 0:49:53.160
<v Speaker 2>batter who's more or less relegated to the corners. Yes,

0:49:53.239 --> 0:49:57.560
<v Speaker 2>he'd probably bring some stability or a higher floor than

0:49:57.640 --> 0:49:59.840
<v Speaker 2>some of the young rookie players that the Dbacks have

0:49:59.840 --> 0:50:02.720
<v Speaker 2>been playing. But I don't think the difference is there

0:50:03.239 --> 0:50:06.960
<v Speaker 2>to warrant doing this. I'd rather just let Walshmant and

0:50:06.960 --> 0:50:10.360
<v Speaker 2>Tower play and you know, for that ten points or

0:50:10.400 --> 0:50:14.359
<v Speaker 2>whatever difference, maybe even twenty of WRC plus. I want

0:50:14.400 --> 0:50:16.640
<v Speaker 2>to see if those guys can get better. There's value

0:50:16.640 --> 0:50:17.040
<v Speaker 2>in that.

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<v Speaker 1>I think if you're feeling underwhelmed by the names that

0:50:22.360 --> 0:50:27.560
<v Speaker 1>we've brought up here, very understandable, some of these guys

0:50:27.600 --> 0:50:29.040
<v Speaker 1>are like, is that player even good?

0:50:29.520 --> 0:50:30.000
<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think that just takes us back to the standings,

0:50:34.600 --> 0:50:38.200
<v Speaker 1>and this is where things are stand in the National

0:50:38.239 --> 0:50:41.040
<v Speaker 1>League right now. I mean even the Cincinnati Reds. I

0:50:41.040 --> 0:50:43.759
<v Speaker 1>mean they're five games out. After winning today, I still

0:50:43.760 --> 0:50:46.439
<v Speaker 1>think they're going to sell, but I don't know. Maybe

0:50:46.480 --> 0:50:48.560
<v Speaker 1>if they get hot in the next few days, maybe

0:50:48.560 --> 0:50:52.440
<v Speaker 1>that would encourage them to stand pat. I don't know

0:50:52.480 --> 0:50:55.279
<v Speaker 1>what that's going to look like. And the American League

0:50:55.360 --> 0:50:58.239
<v Speaker 1>is in a similar situation right now, where there's a

0:50:58.239 --> 0:51:00.960
<v Speaker 1>few teams at the bottom, like the Jewels and the

0:51:01.000 --> 0:51:04.080
<v Speaker 1>A's and the Royals and probably the Blue Jays. Like

0:51:04.360 --> 0:51:06.399
<v Speaker 1>you think those teams are going to sell, but.

0:51:06.400 --> 0:51:06.879
<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

0:51:07.040 --> 0:51:12.359
<v Speaker 1>Like Tigers Orioles, Astros, Twins, it's really hard to say

0:51:12.400 --> 0:51:13.600
<v Speaker 1>what those teams are going to do.

0:51:13.680 --> 0:51:17.359
<v Speaker 2>Right now. Tigers are only three and a half out, yeah,

0:51:17.440 --> 0:51:20.600
<v Speaker 2>Orioles are two and a half out. Yeah, Astros are

0:51:20.640 --> 0:51:22.920
<v Speaker 2>two out. That's from the wild card. And then like

0:51:22.960 --> 0:51:25.880
<v Speaker 2>you know, don't forget to look at the divisional standings

0:51:25.880 --> 0:51:29.319
<v Speaker 2>over there too, right, I mean, the Astros are two

0:51:29.400 --> 0:51:32.920
<v Speaker 2>games out of the division of the AL West.

0:51:33.840 --> 0:51:36.600
<v Speaker 1>You know, they're fifty two and fifty five. They're two

0:51:36.680 --> 0:51:39.080
<v Speaker 1>games out of the division. Welcome to the AL West.

0:51:39.680 --> 0:51:42.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly. The Tigers are six out of the Central.

0:51:42.120 --> 0:51:45.040
<v Speaker 2>They're probably still looking at wild card or bust there.

0:51:45.600 --> 0:51:47.239
<v Speaker 2>And of course the Orioles are out of it too.

0:51:47.320 --> 0:51:50.800
<v Speaker 2>But you know, the point is is that our list

0:51:51.040 --> 0:51:54.520
<v Speaker 2>was from I mean, I was actually pushing the envelope

0:51:54.520 --> 0:51:56.680
<v Speaker 2>to expand it to eight teams because the Blue Jays

0:51:56.960 --> 0:52:01.319
<v Speaker 2>and the Reds are not confirmed sellers. There's really only

0:52:01.440 --> 0:52:04.320
<v Speaker 2>six confirmed. Like this team's so bad they would have

0:52:04.400 --> 0:52:06.520
<v Speaker 2>to be absolutely off their rocker not to sell.

0:52:07.360 --> 0:52:11.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I wouldn't want to be Mike Cason right now.

0:52:12.400 --> 0:52:15.200
<v Speaker 1>I can say that it'd be kind of interesting. I'd

0:52:15.200 --> 0:52:17.239
<v Speaker 1>love to be a fly on the wall for all

0:52:17.280 --> 0:52:20.319
<v Speaker 1>the conversations he's having right now. But it's gonna be

0:52:20.360 --> 0:52:25.240
<v Speaker 1>tricky to navigate this next seven eight days between now

0:52:25.280 --> 0:52:28.319
<v Speaker 1>and the trade deadline on August third. Of course, we

0:52:28.400 --> 0:52:32.600
<v Speaker 1>will be here throughout, excited to be here along with you,

0:52:32.800 --> 0:52:36.920
<v Speaker 1>react to whatever moves as they happen as best we can,

0:52:38.000 --> 0:52:40.560
<v Speaker 1>and if you would like to follow us on Twitter,

0:52:40.719 --> 0:52:43.120
<v Speaker 1>you may do so. I am at Jesse N. Friedman.

0:52:43.239 --> 0:52:46.080
<v Speaker 1>Jack is at Shoizard fifty nine, and our show is

0:52:46.160 --> 0:52:50.440
<v Speaker 1>at Snake's territory. This story that we were just referencing,

0:52:51.200 --> 0:52:55.000
<v Speaker 1>this is at Arizona Diamondbacks on SI five. Potential rental

0:52:55.040 --> 0:52:57.960
<v Speaker 1>bat targets for the Diamondbacks at the trade deadline, and

0:52:58.040 --> 0:53:01.640
<v Speaker 1>go over there to find it in written form. A

0:53:01.640 --> 0:53:05.000
<v Speaker 1>lot of great stuff over there this time of year. Jackie.

0:53:06.680 --> 0:53:08.440
<v Speaker 2>I was gonna say, you guys got the sneak preview

0:53:08.520 --> 0:53:11.080
<v Speaker 2>of the picture side of that. If you're if you're

0:53:11.120 --> 0:53:13.720
<v Speaker 2>listening to this late on Sunday night or early Monday morning.

0:53:14.200 --> 0:53:17.960
<v Speaker 2>I'll be writing that up for Monday release. There you go.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, thank you again to all of you for being

0:53:20.640 --> 0:53:23.400
<v Speaker 1>with us. We really appreciate your time, and we'll be

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<v Speaker 1>back with another edition of Snake's Territory very very soon