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Speaker 1: Welcome into the Lounge presented by DraftKings. I'm Ryan mink

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Speaker 1: in studio with Garrett Downing, and we have Cliffton Brown,

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Speaker 1: who is stationed in Green Bay our eyes and Ears

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Speaker 1: on the ground. He's there with Cassie Cherigo also and

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Speaker 1: some more members of our broadcast crew holding it down

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Speaker 1: at Ravens Packers joint practices.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Cliff, so had to bring him on to give us

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Speaker 1: the full report from practice today. How was it today

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Speaker 1: out there? Cliff?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a great atmosphere, number one perfect day

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Speaker 3: probably hogh seventies, sunny skies, fans in the stands, and yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean I thought it was obviously very good for

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Speaker 3: both teams to get this kind of work in as

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Speaker 3: the season gets closer.

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Speaker 1: Very cool, all right, So let's dive into it here

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Speaker 1: a little bit. You know, we were getting reports. You know,

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Speaker 1: Cliff's not a huge, huge Twitter.

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Speaker 4: Guy, you know, I know.

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Speaker 2: Ryan, you know, he's more of a tick. He's more

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Speaker 2: of a TikToker, you know.

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Speaker 5: Exactly.

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Speaker 6: Just from a big picture standpoint on this practice, I

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Speaker 6: thought it was We've seen all fans have seen videos

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Speaker 6: all summer long of these joint practices between teams that

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Speaker 6: turn into WWE matches like you've seen that, and that

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Speaker 6: wasn't the case. There was none of that, and it

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Speaker 6: seemed like that was kind of a like a point

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Speaker 6: of emphasis going into it. Isaiah likely mentioned that, you know,

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Speaker 6: the rules were kind of clear in terms of for

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Speaker 6: both teams of I guess the consequences and how they

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Speaker 6: wanted to treat practice. And you know, John Harbaugh I

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Speaker 6: think set the tone going into these practices saying that,

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Speaker 6: you know, this isn't some sort of JV operation where

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Speaker 6: you're trying to prove something. You're trying to get good

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Speaker 6: work in, and I thought the work was important for

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Speaker 6: a team that doesn't play at starters in the preseason.

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Speaker 6: What was the sense that you had in watching practice

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Speaker 6: and and hearing from the you know, the hardball and

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Speaker 6: the players afterwards as to you know, why they were

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Speaker 6: able to maintain what they wanted in this practice.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think both coaches, you know, really emphasized that

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Speaker 3: that's how they wanted to be. You know, Matt Lafloor

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Speaker 3: and John Harball were talking on the field before practice,

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Speaker 3: which is not unusual, But then before the practice began,

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Speaker 3: both teams huddled up kind of near each other, and

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Speaker 3: then players on both sides were kind of you know,

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Speaker 3: greeting each other before practice began. I thought it was

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Speaker 3: kind of like, okay, let's do this, let's have a

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Speaker 3: good practice, but again, let's not get carried away and

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Speaker 3: do this in a way that's going to be helpful

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Speaker 3: to both teams, but not get out of control.

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Speaker 5: You know, there was one.

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Speaker 3: Rep on special teams where it got physical between the

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Speaker 3: gunners and the blockers and there was some trash talking

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Speaker 3: being on both sides, and you know, it only lasted

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Speaker 5: Once the Special Teams session was over, it.

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Speaker 3: Went back to being kind of what it was, really

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Speaker 3: competitive guys going at it. But when the whistle blew,

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Speaker 3: the action stopped. And I think partly it was because

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Speaker 3: that was the message both coaches said, and it probably

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Speaker 3: also helped that it wasn't ninety five degrees outside, so that

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Speaker 3: always helps me keeping guys in check.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think it's too it's you know, with the Commanders,

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Speaker 1: there's a little bit of a edge there.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: They were this team that hasn't been very good in

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Speaker 1: recent years. They were trying to measure up to the

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Speaker 1: big bad Ravens who get all the hype, who you know,

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Speaker 1: are just stuck the.

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Speaker 2: Road and all that stuff.

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Speaker 1: Like I think that played into last year's joint practice

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Speaker 1: between the Ravens and Commanders. There's always been like a

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Speaker 1: way between those two teams, and I think the Commanders

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Speaker 1: definitely came into it, like looking to try to prove something.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think, but I but we've seen it, like

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Speaker 6: not just Ravens practices, like we see that all the

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Speaker 6: time when oh yeah around the league and so like, yeah.

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Speaker 3: Practice about the committment, but it doesn't have to be

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Speaker 5: Out of control.

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Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, yeah, I agree, So yeah, I agree,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it could have been.

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Speaker 3: No matter how much you talk to guys, there's still

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Speaker 3: always a possibility that it could happen. So I give

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Speaker 3: John Harball mentioned too, most teams now going to just

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Speaker 3: one joint practice instead of two because yeah, you feel

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Speaker 3: like a guy got the best of you yesterday or

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Speaker 3: back Day, Well, they too, get back Day out of

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Speaker 1: I thought it was also interesting a little bit big

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Speaker 1: picture that John Harball said the up tempo pace in

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Speaker 1: which the Packers offense worked, that that was good work

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Speaker 1: for the Ravens defense.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean they again Love, I have a lot

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Speaker 3: of respect for him as a young quarterback, and Lafleur

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Speaker 3: is a play caller, and yeah, they really stressed defenses

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Speaker 3: try and set the pace that they want kind of

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Speaker 3: like a you know, basketball fast break team and force

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Speaker 3: That would be a good test for the offensive line. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: just the style that the Packers play is different than

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Speaker 3: So again, this was a really good tune up, I

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Speaker 1: So you know, us back here at our performance center,

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Speaker 1: we're we're kind of following the Packers play by play

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Speaker 1: The other big difference is that, you know, Ravens reporters,

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Speaker 1: we're not really we're not allowed to tweet like play

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Speaker 1: So it was a little bit different seeing how another media, uh,

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Speaker 1: because we were kind of getting it. Felt like I

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Speaker 1: what I gather, it sounded like Roquan Smith kind of

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Speaker 3: He had a pick, the only pick against Love, the

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Speaker 3: So this is as closed as Roquan's going to get

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Speaker 3: to game action until Week one. I thought he had

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Speaker 3: a really good practice. Trenton Simpson had a pass breakup

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Speaker 3: I think that that continued to be encouraging.

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Speaker 5: Now. Jordan Love is a heck of a quarterback.

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Speaker 3: He had a red zone session where he was really

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Speaker 5: So that success.

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Speaker 3: But it's not like Shredd he was shredding the Ravens defense.

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Speaker 3: He was, you know, those were in touchdowns were in

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Speaker 3: we saw long past the Romeo Dobbs against Brandon Stevens

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Speaker 5: So it was a challenge.

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Speaker 3: It was a type of thing I think the Ravens needed,

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Speaker 3: you know, after going weeks and weeks against each other

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Speaker 6: Yeah, well you referenced Kyle Hamilton just to hit on that,

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Speaker 6: So after practice, John Harbaugh said that he's not dealing

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he did not honestly did not see the play

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Speaker 5: He went in and.

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Speaker 3: You know you're thinking he's not going to come back out.

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Speaker 3: You know, he was supposed to talk on podium, and

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Speaker 5: So you know, not going to speculate.

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Speaker 6: So well, certainly obviously the Raves hope that he's he's

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Speaker 4: On that front.

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Speaker 6: So one talking point I think during practice really focused

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Speaker 6: know we've mentioned the offensive line one hundred times over

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Speaker 6: these tweets from package reporters san Lamar Jackson's running for

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Speaker 6: his life and the defensive line is living in the backfield.

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Speaker 6: So that's what you know.

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Speaker 4: I think on.

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Speaker 6: Twitter at least people start to get a little bit

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Speaker 6: What was your take you watched it, what was your

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Speaker 3: I saw some plays where, yeah, Lamar Jackson regular season,

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Speaker 1: Well, John Harwall said, you know, he watched So John

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Speaker 1: Is ninety percent good enough?

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Speaker 2: Like it might be? You know what I mean?

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Speaker 4: Is that sufficient? That's that's borderline.

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Speaker 4: But but if you but if you are then having success.

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Speaker 6: As a running in the running game, and you're moving

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Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, I agree, I agree, And quite frankly, you know,

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Speaker 2: Here's Packersino was in the playoffs last year.

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Speaker 1: They're expected the challenge for you know, super Bowl contenders

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Speaker 1: Like you have that now four cutdown day where if

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Speaker 2: Totally sure.

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Speaker 5: You know, they have the hammer now and Derrick Henry.

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Speaker 3: You know they've got a receiver like Zay who you

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I totally agree with that, Cliff. And you know,

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Speaker 1: You know, Roger Rosengarten apparently just stonewalled, or Shaun Garry,

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Speaker 3: I didn't see that particular rep that think they're talking,

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Speaker 3: Right, they put a minute thirty on the clock for

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Speaker 6: if ninety percent from a pass blocking standpoint is good enough.

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Speaker 6: If you're if Derek Henry is out there getting five

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Speaker 6: hours every time he touches the ball, you know, Okay,

445
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Speaker 6: now you're in a pretty good position. But you need

446
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Speaker 6: to have the two work together. And so I think

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Speaker 6: that like that ground game, and I do think I

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Speaker 6: think that from what I have seen from the offensive

449
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Speaker 6: line standpoint and from Derrick Henry, I think that the

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Speaker 6: Ravens are going to be able to run the ball

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Speaker 6: pretty effectively. I think that, like I have like what

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Speaker 6: I've seen in practice. I think they've kept it really

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Speaker 6: vanilla in the preseason games. Of course, I know that

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Speaker 6: some people have been kind of concerned and not getting

455
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Speaker 6: great push in these preseason games. I think it's been

456
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Speaker 6: really vanilla, and I think that the Ravens are going

457
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Speaker 6: to be able to have success on the ground with

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Speaker 6: Henry once we get to these regular season games.

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Speaker 2: I agree.

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Speaker 1: I agree with that. The second point I want to

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Speaker 1: make also is Lamar. You know, Cliff talked about Lamar

462
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Speaker 1: and the extra burst from the lower weight than he has.

463
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Speaker 1: It's going to be important that you don't want Lamar

464
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Speaker 1: running around getting taken a lot of hits in the

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Speaker 1: backfield right pass protection, even particularly a lighter Lamar that

466
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Speaker 1: has a little you know, Lamar in previous years when

467
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Speaker 1: he walked up a little bit, he said, well, it's

468
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Speaker 1: to get my body in better position to take some

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Speaker 1: of those hits and things like that. Well, he's slimmed

470
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Speaker 1: down now, and the benefit is the extra burst. The

471
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Speaker 1: downside is if your offensive line is getting him hit more,

472
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Speaker 1: you're putting Lamar more at risk of you know, I

473
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Speaker 1: think he's good at avoiding the big hits and all

474
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Speaker 1: those things. But when you're at a lighter weight whatever,

475
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Speaker 1: thirty pounds later, twenty five pounds later than it used

476
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Speaker 1: to be, Like just those hits, the toll of just

477
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Speaker 1: like the soreness, the pain adds up yere than it

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Speaker 1: would have otherwise.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know you don't want them are get hit.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, light of the particularly a later Lamo.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and both both of his long term injuries have come.

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Speaker 3: You know, passing in the in the pocket, you know,

483
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Speaker 3: hasn't been you know, him scrambling, you know, getting hit.

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Speaker 1: You know, he well kind of on the edge of

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Speaker 1: the pocket, kind of on the fringe of this. I

486
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Speaker 1: wouldn't say they were in the pocket, but yeah, but

487
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Speaker 1: not not running down the field.

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Speaker 4: And they were both on the movie and they weren't

489
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Speaker 4: running place. They were passing place.

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Speaker 2: That's correct.

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Speaker 4: All right, this sat quick break.

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Speaker 6: When we come back, we'll get some final thoughts on

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Speaker 6: the Packers practice in Green Bay. You're listening to the

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Speaker 6: Ravens Lounge podcast. We're coming to you from the Seat

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Speaker 6: Sports Book. The Crown is yours. So Cliff one, guy,

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Speaker 6: I want to get your perspective on is Rashad Bateman.

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Speaker 6: I know you asked John Harball about him after practice

501
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Speaker 6: and I you know, he to me has has elevated

502
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Speaker 6: over the course of the last week. You know, I

503
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Speaker 6: thought he he he missed some time in the middle

504
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Speaker 6: of the camp after making this acrobatic, great catch and

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Speaker 6: then went on the shelf for a little bit.

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Speaker 4: Then.

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Speaker 6: I think it was he was kind of getting his

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Speaker 6: feetback under him again. And to me, he's looked better

509
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Speaker 6: over the course of the last week or so. You

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Speaker 6: thought he had a pretty good day today.

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Speaker 5: He did. I thought he had a good day.

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Speaker 3: He'd have to tell you whether he's one hundred percent

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Speaker 3: or not, but he looked one hundred percent. He was

514
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Speaker 3: getting open, making catches, very active, went deep early in practice,

515
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Speaker 3: didn't connect. Jared Alexander made a really nice play to

516
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Speaker 3: break it up, but again he came back with some

517
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Speaker 3: nice catches when the red zone when the were having

518
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Speaker 3: their red zone drill, he had to touch down cats

519
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Speaker 3: as a Flowers did. And yeah, Bateman looks active, healthy,

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Speaker 3: and yeah, with the season getting ready to start, seeing

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Speaker 3: him come back from you know, missing time, you know,

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Speaker 3: not that long ago and looking as strong is definitely

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Speaker 3: a positive sign for the offense.

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Speaker 6: Well you mentioned I mean, John Harbaugh said as well,

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Speaker 6: like he he They've said this a number of times,

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Speaker 6: but he was pretty definitive today when you asked him

527
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Speaker 6: about it and saying that he feels like rastat, Bateman's

528
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Speaker 6: going to have a really strong year. So the Ravens

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Speaker 6: are still very high on Bateman and encourage by whethery're

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Speaker 6: seeing from him. And you mentioned Jai Alexander. I don't

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Speaker 6: know if you guys saw this, but after practice and

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Speaker 6: talking with packed reporters.

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Speaker 4: Of course, he's good friends with Lamar.

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Speaker 6: They played together at Louisville, and he made the point

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Speaker 6: after practice that him and Lamar we talked before about

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Speaker 6: the idea of seeing each other in the Super Bowl,

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Speaker 6: and Jahire Alexander said, he feels like it's getting close.

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Speaker 4: So I like that. I like what Alexander had to

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Speaker 4: say on that front. I'm on board.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it works for that works for us, right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, see there we'll we'll meet you in New Orleans.

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Speaker 4: I'm going with that.

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Speaker 1: Little side note just about Rashaan Bateman and the Packers

544
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Speaker 1: is there's a ton of smoke about the Packers possibly

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Speaker 1: drafting him. Yeah, and that the Ravens, uh, you know,

546
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Speaker 1: there was a little deception going on and all this stuff,

547
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Speaker 1: and that the Ravens kind of sniped them from the Packers.

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Speaker 1: Just just an interesting side note as they're having joint practices.

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Speaker 1: I saw that that Lamar through touchdown passes in the

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Speaker 1: red zone drills, one to a Flowers and another to

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Speaker 1: Charlie Kohler Cliff, and it sounded like like zay Zay

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Speaker 1: was I don't know what the right word is, talking

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Speaker 1: a lot like he was animated during practice.

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Speaker 2: Can you take us inside.

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Speaker 5: That he was chirping, but in a good way.

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Speaker 3: I mean, he was very much cheering on teammates when

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Speaker 3: they had success, When when receivers were coming off the field,

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Speaker 3: he was sharing pointed with them, you know, about what

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Speaker 3: he was seeing I guess, you know, from the Packers defense,

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Speaker 3: and half trying to help them, you know, on their

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Speaker 3: next rep. He was just very much into the practice

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Speaker 3: as well as Lamar. When Lamar wasn't in the red

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Speaker 3: zone drills, he instead of standing on the sidelines a lot,

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Speaker 3: he was actually going like a little bit out onto

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Speaker 3: the field several times was shouting advice either to Leary

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Speaker 3: you know, or any of the backup quarterbacks about what

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Speaker 3: he was seeing, even though he wasn't in the game

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Speaker 3: and he wasn't taking the rep. So again, I think

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Speaker 3: it was part of the more competitive juices that just

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Speaker 3: come out when you're playing someone else. So yeah, they

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Speaker 3: even though he's only the second year, I think, you know,

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Speaker 3: he's the leader to wide receiver group. I mean, Nellie

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Speaker 3: Aglars is the you know, sage vet who has more experience,

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Speaker 3: but they became you know, the lead receiver as a rookie.

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Speaker 3: And he's looking, you know, like he's ready to take

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Speaker 3: to me another step in his second year and just

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Speaker 3: be called of that fact. How talented he is and

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Speaker 3: how hard he works in practice. He is kind of

579
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Speaker 3: like the alpha dog.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 3: I think of that group, you know, Babman and Magar

582
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Speaker 3: are a little more quiet than to say who's got

583
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Speaker 3: that personality? Kind of naturally. I think it's more and

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Speaker 3: more coming into his own and you're seeing it out

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Speaker 3: on the field.

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Speaker 2: One last note for me, Cliff, that I that I

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Speaker 2: read about is we.

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Speaker 1: Talked about the two minute drills slash one and a

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Speaker 1: half minute drills, and the Packers' offense ended up their

590
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Speaker 1: first team offense ended up settling for a thirty five

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Speaker 1: yard field goal to tie because our Darius Washington came

592
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Speaker 1: up with a PBu at the goal line to stop

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Speaker 1: what would have been a game winning touchdowns.

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Speaker 2: Can he did you see that play? Cliff? And what

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Speaker 2: can you tell us about that?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, ur Darius, you know it was one of those

597
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Speaker 3: in the air, it looked like it was going to

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Speaker 3: be a completion and he got his hand on it

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Speaker 3: to make the play.

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Speaker 5: He had another pass break up earlier in practice.

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Speaker 3: It's similar where you know, left his feet, made an

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Speaker 3: athletic play, had a strong practice. Definitely probably should have

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Speaker 3: mentioned him before now, you know, are Darius to me,

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Speaker 3: he's had he's had a really great summer and you know,

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Speaker 3: obviously with you know, some of the injuries Malet, you know,

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Speaker 3: not you know, being around, it's really been good to

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Speaker 3: see ar Darius step up into that role. And he

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Speaker 3: was playing really well early last year before he got hurt.

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Speaker 3: And you know it's common shame that he lost that

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Speaker 3: time last year, but it's good to see that he's

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Speaker 3: looks like he's right back on the horses, being a

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Speaker 3: guy who is going to play his way into reps

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Speaker 3: in the secondary. And I thought he had a really

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Speaker 3: strong practice today.

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Speaker 2: How d Wiggins looked good to me.

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Speaker 5: He wasn't targeted a lot, which caught him to me,

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Speaker 5: can be good because he.

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Speaker 3: Had the guy blanket earlier practice. He had a nice

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Speaker 3: breakup on a short pass from Love. It's kind of

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Speaker 3: like what he showed in the preseason game when he

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Speaker 3: had the three straight breakups. He doesn't believe to me

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Speaker 3: sometimes when when he's playing one on one, he's not

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Speaker 3: a guy who gives up a big cushion. I mean,

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Speaker 3: he's not afraid to get up and right in the

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Speaker 3: guy's face. He's obviously not afraid to come up and

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Speaker 3: make hits if a guy dot's catch a ball in

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Speaker 3: front of him. And yeah, he didn't have a active practice,

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Speaker 3: but when he was tested early in practice, I thought

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Speaker 3: he held up well.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and I thought it was a good practice for him.

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Speaker 3: But it seemed like other corners, a few other corners

632
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 3: like Stevens, like ar Darius, they were seeing more throws

633
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Speaker 3: coming their way today.

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Speaker 6: The last question for me, Cliff, is we saw all

635
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Speaker 6: the cliffs of the players riding the bikes out to practice.

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Speaker 6: This is the tradition in Green Bay all So, Cliff,

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Speaker 6: did you ride a bike to practice? Did you hop

638
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Speaker 6: on the bike and ride it to practice?

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Speaker 3: If I could, if I were pressed into service, I

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Speaker 3: believe I could do it.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's why the saying exists. Cliff.

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Speaker 6: It's like something yeah, you would put that to the test.

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Speaker 3: I probably haven't been on a bike. It's been a

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Speaker 3: few years. It's been a few.

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Speaker 5: Well, okay, yeah, you put a number too, you want.

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Speaker 3: To, But no, I did not ride the bike. I

647
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 3: wanted to be healthy enough. I didn't want to be

648
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Speaker 3: a practice scratch. That's not what I'm out here for.

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 1: We need you for week one, Cliff, all right, we

651
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Speaker 1: need you healthy, big dog.

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Speaker 4: Well, good stuff.

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Speaker 6: Cliff, appreciate the perspective, and we are going to have

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Speaker 6: We're gonna be back on Saturday after the game. We're

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Speaker 6: going to do our full fifty three man roster prediction

656
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Speaker 6: and tell you who we think is going to be

657
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Speaker 6: on the squad, as well as give you our final

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Speaker 6: thoughts after we watch that preseason game coming up on Saturday,

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Speaker 6: one o'clock Eastern Time against the Packers. Cliff appreciate it,

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Speaker 6: Enjoy the rest of the time in Green Bay, and

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Speaker 6: listeners will be back with you on Saturday,