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Speaker 1: Preseason football does matter, and winning in the preseason matters.

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Speaker 1: Welcome Burg Gang. On today's show, Darren Urban joins me,

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Speaker 1: we look back at the preseason open to the Cardinals

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Speaker 1: comeback victory of the Denver Broncos, and yeah, while preseason

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Speaker 1: games don't count, don't tell that to the coaches and players.

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Speaker 1: Their reactions to all the late game heroics were regular

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Speaker 1: season ready?

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Speaker 2: What stood out?

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Speaker 1: Who shined?

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Speaker 3: All?

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Speaker 1: Straight ahead? It's Cardinals Cover two, Episode six sixty two,

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Speaker 1: and it starts now.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two.

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Speaker 2: Buda Baker, What Heart? What rent? This guy's unbelievable?

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Speaker 2: He's a ten half of five. He's it again? So

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Speaker 2: more Harry Magic.

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Speaker 3: Whow Here's Craig agree alud?

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Speaker 1: Because he and I did not spend enough time together

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Speaker 1: before the game on Frauday, I thought it was only

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Speaker 1: fitting that we brought Darren on Monday post Cardinals Denver

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Speaker 1: Broncos for Okay, not ninety minutes worth of postgame reaction,

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Speaker 1: but at least your initial reactions from what we saw

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Speaker 1: on Friday, because we had ninety minutes to talk about

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Speaker 1: the game before him.

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Speaker 4: IM surprised you have any voice left, Craig, with all

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Speaker 4: the seventy two hours of radio you did. My reactions are.

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Speaker 4: My overall reaction is that I was impressed with the

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Speaker 4: overall vibe the team gave off in terms of execution,

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Speaker 4: in terms of operation, they only had four penalties. They

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Speaker 4: never once came close to having an issue with getting

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Speaker 4: a playoff. You know, they did some nice things. They

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Speaker 4: didn't They did some nice things at the end to

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Speaker 4: come back and win. It's a preseason game. It's all backups,

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Speaker 4: I get it, but there is something there about the

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Speaker 4: emotion of a win, whether or not it counts in

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Speaker 4: the standings or not, there's there was the work from

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Speaker 4: Clayton Tune did some good things, did some other not

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Speaker 4: so good things, but it was something I liked how

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Speaker 4: they kind of run the offense and the running game

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Speaker 4: that they stuck with. And of course the defense against

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Speaker 4: first team Russell Wilson with the first team Cardinals defense

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Speaker 4: was better than anybody expected.

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Speaker 1: What you said about winning the game and the emotion

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Speaker 1: that was seen on the sideline. You were in the

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Speaker 1: locker room. I was not. I was upstairs waiting for

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Speaker 1: cardinal talk. But I do think that needs to be

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Speaker 1: talked a little bit more about, because what have we

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Speaker 1: heard from JG since day one? Winning behavior, winning culture,

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Speaker 1: And I think there was somewhat of a payoff on Friday,

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Speaker 1: albeit a preseason game, but what has been told to

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Speaker 1: these players, what has been coached to these players? They

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Speaker 1: went out executed and there was a positive benefit for that.

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Speaker 1: And I think we're gonna need to see that throughout

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Speaker 1: this course this season, whether it manifests itself into a

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Speaker 4: I agree, even if de Mercado doesn't cross the goal

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Speaker 4: I mean, that's that's something that you know, you like

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Speaker 4: and not only on the sideline, but we could hear

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Speaker 4: it through the walls and the postgame press conference room,

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Speaker 4: the celebration, and again it wasn't like a celebration like

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Speaker 4: it means something. Anytime you start building a team or

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Speaker 4: positive steps along the way. And the only positive step

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Speaker 4: they could have gotten, or there was there were multiple

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Speaker 4: the scoreboard, even if it doesn't count, because that's all

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Speaker 4: you have in front of you at that moment. I mean,

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Speaker 4: so you're going to take the little victories, especially if

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Speaker 1: And Gannon has been very clear about any time they

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Speaker 4: Where this goes is the most important thing. I mean,

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Speaker 4: what this team is going to do against first string

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Speaker 4: And it's going to be interesting this week. You you

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Speaker 4: can you keep up that level of enthusiasm when when

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Speaker 4: end of the week you get Patrick Mahomes the and

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Speaker 1: Mahomes played one series in their preseason open. Colt McCoy

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Speaker 1: played one series. Whether either play more than that coming

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Speaker 1: and there was a difference between Colt McCoy at quarterback

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Speaker 1: before the snap. Tune for the most part operated out

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Speaker 4: Fascinating is the word that comes to mind in terms

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Speaker 4: or how will exactly that work? Will Clayton Tuons start

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Speaker 4: all the new stuff. And that's why preseason does become

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Speaker 4: a little bit more interesting for this team this year

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Speaker 4: because it is all new and you are trying to

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Speaker 4: so the storylines won't stop because you're trying to get

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Speaker 4: an idea of what's to come. And that makes this

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Speaker 1: Clayton didn't do anything to change, at least to my opinion,

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Speaker 1: the pecking order as far as the quarterback one and two,

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Speaker 1: and I don't even know if he's going to be

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Speaker 1: As I mentioned on Cardinal Talk, the backup quarterback is

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Speaker 1: always the most popular player on the team, but there

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Speaker 1: is a number of fans that want to see what

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Speaker 1: Clayton can do. I just think you're going to see

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Speaker 1: and then I'm not sure exactly when you'll see it again.

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Speaker 4: Oh, I think that's a fair question. I don't know

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Speaker 4: when you would see Tune again either. I still think

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Speaker 4: only thing that could derail that to me at this

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Speaker 4: with Colt's arm situation, which he's had a deal with

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Speaker 4: what happens. I personally would like, even in one of

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Speaker 4: So I'd be curious about that. I mean, at least

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Speaker 4: Clayton Tune got a couple of shots off. I don't

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Speaker 4: where that goes. But again, this is something we're going

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be whomever we see on the field to

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Speaker 1: that's our starters for this week. Yeah, I mean yeah,

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Speaker 4: Yeah. I there's a definite possibility that that's that's the

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Speaker 4: we haven't because I haven't been on cover too with you, Craig,

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Speaker 4: but we did talk about this in the pregame. Like

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Speaker 4: but the defensive line was what it was said it

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Speaker 4: Other than the fact that obviously Kaiser White down at

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Speaker 1: There were a number of players who we did not

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure the reason why. I mean, I was

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Speaker 4: Did not come up interesting. Okay, So that's that question

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Speaker 4: that we should We should ask JG.

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Speaker 1: That because that's because then you just had basically three quarterbacks.

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Speaker 4: And maybe that's what it was. Maybe you knew you

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Speaker 4: were going to play Clayton toon. So there's no reason

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Speaker 1: And I like the fact that Tune was able to

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Speaker 1: don't think so, especially if you wanted to see what

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Speaker 1: Two sacks, eight quarterback hits, and then you look at

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Speaker 1: the passes defense there were six of them. We'll get

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Speaker 1: to the secondary here in a moment, but four of

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Speaker 1: the six passes defense were by that front seven. And

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Speaker 1: we talked earlier about Zach Allen trying to get a

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Speaker 1: hand on a ball and getting knocked down by fro Hold. Well,

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Speaker 1: the flip side is if you don't get knocked down,

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Speaker 1: you can affect the passing lanes or knock down a ball,

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Speaker 1: and Gannon postgame was that's something that we practice every

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Speaker 1: single day. If you feel like that ball is gonna

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Speaker 1: be thrown, get your hands up because you have no idea.

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Speaker 4: It's the only thing you can do defensively if you're

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Speaker 4: not going to get all the way back to the

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Speaker 4: quarterback is affected if you're if you're alignment, and they

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Speaker 4: made some big There was one pass knockdown I think

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Speaker 4: by Victor D. Mccagey that if he doesn't knock it down,

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Speaker 4: the back is wide open and is going for a while.

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Speaker 4: I can't I think it was Demacagy, but I don't

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Speaker 4: remember who it was. But it was a nice play,

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Speaker 4: and all of them turned out to be nice plays.

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Speaker 4: And again all I can think of, and it's got

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Speaker 4: to be more big picture right now, because in the

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Speaker 4: end it doesn't count. But a lot of people had

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Speaker 4: questions about what that group was going to do, and

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Speaker 4: that was a nice opening salvo from them.

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Speaker 1: By the way, that's a lovely vocabulary way.

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Speaker 2: I like that.

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Speaker 1: And all that matters is as you can spell, it

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Speaker 1: doesn't matter if you can pronounce it, which you pronounced

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Speaker 1: it very well. But that is a nice vocabulary word.

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Speaker 1: Here on Cardinals cover two presented by Hyundai, pro partner

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Speaker 1: of the Arizona Cardinals. The other two passes defense Antonio

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Speaker 1: Hamilton and Key Trell Clark, the latter of whom continues

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Speaker 1: to impress me as a six round draft pick. I

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Speaker 1: had zero expectations your Day three pick dare I say

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Speaker 1: a flyer. Let's see what he can do well. One,

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Speaker 1: he's a good guy, loves the camera in front of

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Speaker 1: or behind, as we've seen on Easycardinals dot Com. So

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Speaker 1: you root for him, but then it's again, you did

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Speaker 1: it in training camp against your own players. Can you

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Speaker 1: do it as they say, when the lights come on

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Speaker 1: and against a different colored uniform? And Kee Trell did he.

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Speaker 1: I was very impressed.

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Speaker 4: I was too, and they might have. And you know

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Speaker 4: with the Seahawks with Terrek Wooton last year getting him

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Speaker 4: in the I think the FI round. You can find

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Speaker 4: a dB in the later rounds if you hit on

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Speaker 4: the right guy, And it would be awesome for this

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Speaker 4: team if Key Troll Clark turned out to be what

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Speaker 4: they're really looking for. Because I've liked what he's done

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Speaker 4: in camp. He's gotten a chance to get some first

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Speaker 4: team reps. He made a couple of plays against the Broncos,

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Speaker 4: and we'll see how much more he can continue to push.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't have the size, but what he makes up

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Speaker 1: for is his speed and his athleticism that won well.

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Speaker 1: The pass breakup that he did have, he almost had

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Speaker 1: a pick, but it was a diving attempt at the

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Speaker 1: ball and you have great closing speed, then all of

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Speaker 1: a sudden, okay, maybe you'll allow the catch, but then

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Speaker 1: there's no yards after the catch. It's a six yard

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Speaker 1: gain or an eight yard gain, it's not catch spin,

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Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, it's fifteen, twenty twenty five

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Speaker 1: yards downfield.

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Speaker 4: That's that's basic defense at this point. And I would

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Speaker 4: expect nothing us from a JG coach team. He's a

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Speaker 4: defensive backs coach at heart. He used to play safety.

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Speaker 4: I would expect that the secondary guys are going to

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Speaker 4: be more button up than anybody because he's probably going

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Speaker 4: to be watching them closer than anybody else. Not that

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Speaker 4: he isn't watching everybody else, but I mean, come on.

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Speaker 1: Well, there's also that kinship between head coach and player

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Speaker 1: because they both went to Louisville. Yeah, okay, so that

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Speaker 1: I mean, you keep.

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Speaker 4: Wanting to bring up this college stuff. I haven't surprised

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Speaker 4: you haven't brought up Garrett Williams.

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Speaker 1: Just because he's still not available to participate yet again

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Speaker 1: from that great university in upstate New York. It's just

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Speaker 1: unfortunate that we're not talking about any Arizona State Sun

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Speaker 1: doubles here on Cardinals cover two unless someone gets signed.

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Speaker 4: No, Kyle, we can talk about it. He's playing. He

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Speaker 4: is maybe maybe in the practice squad.

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Speaker 1: Maybe I'd like to see that.

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Speaker 4: I'm sure he would too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so he's not out looking for work somewhere else.

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Speaker 1: Antonio Hamilton, he had the other pass defense also had

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Speaker 1: an interception. But it's the pass interference that.

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Speaker 4: I know.

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Speaker 1: Things like that are going to happen, but you have

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Speaker 1: to know where you are, because it seemed like he

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Speaker 1: might have lost either where he was or where the

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Speaker 1: wide receiver was. And then late game situation that was

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Speaker 1: a twenty plus yard penalty that allowed the Broncos to

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Speaker 1: get within scoring range, and obviously we found out postgame

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Speaker 1: according to David Blau, the Cardinals defense let the Broncos score.

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Speaker 4: But here's the thing. If he doesn't commit that penalty

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Speaker 4: and they grind out more time and then kick a

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Speaker 4: field goal on the last play of the game, it's

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Speaker 4: possible that that actually gave the Cardinals a better chance

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Speaker 4: that penalty. I know that's not what he was trying

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Speaker 4: to know. And you're right, he did look a little

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Speaker 4: lost on that play. Got it kind of turned around

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Speaker 4: and then it got put in a tough position, but

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Speaker 4: he also had a pick and a pass breakup, and

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Speaker 4: I still think he's kind of lying in the weeds

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Speaker 4: in terms of getting a bunch of playing time if

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Speaker 4: something doesn't happen with men Matthew or Clark, although as

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Speaker 4: we mentioned, keetro Clark looked pretty good.

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Speaker 1: David blob postgame about that allowing the Broncos to score.

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Speaker 1: It's the only way to have a chance end quote.

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Speaker 1: I'm curious regular season we get a chance to hear

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Speaker 1: from Nick Rolis this week regular season or was it

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Speaker 1: just because preseason? And at that point, let's see what

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Speaker 1: the offense can do with a minute thirty left on

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Speaker 1: the clock and two minutes I mean defensive players. I

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Speaker 1: walked out of the stadium with Kyle Vannenbosch on Cardinal

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Speaker 1: Talk and that doesn't sit well with a lot of

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Speaker 1: defenders as far as well. The best way we can

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Speaker 1: win is allowed them to score, even though it might

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Speaker 1: be true defenders don't like to hear it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I would say I still think it's an

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Speaker 4: option in the regular season. I guess you'd have to

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Speaker 4: consider all things at that point, like do you have

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Speaker 4: a better chance of creating a turnover, which basically at

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Speaker 4: that point is all it is because it's a chip

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Speaker 4: shot field goal that you're not gonna miss if you figure.

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Speaker 4: I get that they don't want it, but my argument

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Speaker 4: to a defender in that situation would be, you let

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Speaker 4: them drive the length of the field to put them

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Speaker 4: in that position. If you would have stopped them when

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Speaker 4: you should have, we wouldn't be in this situation. Have

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Speaker 4: to make this decision.

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Speaker 1: What's another four or five yards exactly?

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Speaker 4: I mean, I know you don't want to get it

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Speaker 4: out the points, but in this case it totally worked.

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Speaker 1: Cardinals march downfield, get the touchdown, two point conversion, they

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Speaker 1: win eighteen seventeen. Again, a lot of good things before

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Speaker 1: we close up shop here though not negatives, but I

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Speaker 1: guess improvements that you would hope to see, or maybe

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Speaker 1: not even just improvement, but now you just got to

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Speaker 1: maintain consistency, especially as far as penalties. There was just

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Speaker 1: the one pre snap and that was illegal formation, but

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Speaker 1: that was with I think it was one of the

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Speaker 1: undrafted free agents, and that's going to happen. You're not

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Speaker 1: quite sure rules and everything, but the operation, yeah, it

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Speaker 1: gets chaotok. On that sideline, but it did not appear

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Speaker 1: to be chaotic at any point in the game.

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Speaker 4: No, it didn't. And like I said at the top,

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Speaker 4: like the operations look good, the penalties were relatively inconsequential

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Speaker 4: other than the pass interference, which obviously means it means something.

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Speaker 4: You can't have that. But I mean, this is a

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Speaker 4: team that had been penalized heavily over the past couple

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Speaker 4: of years, and it was even worse in preseason games,

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Speaker 4: and they they've got their stuff together.

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Speaker 1: Well the red and white practice. How many times did

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Speaker 1: we see laundry on the field because it just wasn't

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Speaker 1: and it's typically has been the offense, false start, delay,

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Speaker 1: game jumping off. I mean, that is what drives coaches crazy.

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Speaker 1: And I get you're gonna get called for holding. There

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Speaker 1: was a face mass penalty. There alreadys going to be

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Speaker 1: pass interference, But I can't stand the pre snat penalties

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Speaker 1: where all of a sudden it's first and ten, then

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Speaker 1: becomes first and fifteen, or it's third and two and

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Speaker 1: then all of a sudden it's third and twelve, and

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Speaker 1: you're like, okay, well, now what are we supposed to

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Speaker 1: be because now you just told the defense. Well, we

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Speaker 1: can't run the ball here, We're gonna throw the ball.

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Speaker 4: I mean, all all true, and it's just you just

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Speaker 4: don't want to get over your skis with pluses or

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Speaker 4: minuses quite frankly at this point. But if you had

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Speaker 4: to draw up a first game for the team as

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Speaker 4: constructed right now, especially without Kyler Murray and so many

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Speaker 4: of the key guys not playing, I don't know if

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Speaker 4: it could have gotten much better. For Jonathan Gannon, it

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Speaker 4: looked good.

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Speaker 1: It sounded good, not only on the air, but again

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Speaker 1: just the reaction post game from the head coach and

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Speaker 1: the players.

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Speaker 4: Are you just complimenting yourself for radio work.

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Speaker 1: No, it's kind of indirectly complimenting Paul Calvic and Drew

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Speaker 1: Stan without naming Calvic and Stan. But since you brought

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Speaker 1: it both up, they'll be back on the airwaves as

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Speaker 1: you and I will be this coming Saturday. Yes, Cardinals

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Speaker 1: and Chiefs at State Farm Stadium. Five o'clock is the

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Speaker 1: kick off, one thirty. We'll hit the air in the afternoon.

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Speaker 4: Love the early kickoffs.

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Speaker 1: I do ninety minutes. You ready for more ninety minutes?

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Speaker 1: Zach Young, Zach Gershman, coming for that for you're just

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Speaker 1: gonna delegate it because that's what you do. We've established

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Speaker 1: at cards Chatter, he delegates.

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Speaker 4: I do delegate. I try.

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Speaker 1: Maybe you and I back though for that preseason finale

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Speaker 1: ninety minutes in Minnesota is very possible. He still got

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Speaker 1: me though. For the entire three and a half six

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Speaker 1: hour program.

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Speaker 4: I've delegated Craig to you out there in the listening audience.

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Speaker 1: I basically just do whatever Darren tells me to do.

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Speaker 1: That's that's my that's my role here with the Arizona Cardinals.

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Speaker 1: On that note, we'll open a lid on this edition

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Speaker 1: of Cardinals Cover two, presented by Hyundai, proud partner of

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Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals. As always, special thanks to our executive

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Speaker 1: producer Jim Mama Hundre, our ASSOCIIT producer Cody Fincher. For

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Speaker 1: Darren Urban, I'm Greig Rayel Lou. We'll talk to you

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Speaker 1: next time you're on Cardinals cover two.

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