1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:03,280 Speaker 1: Welcome to Good Game with Sarah Spain, where we're commemorating 2 00:00:03,320 --> 00:00:06,600 Speaker 1: our five hundredth episode by inviting several of our peers 3 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:11,080 Speaker 1: and equals to celebrate Michaelangelo's David, the Mona Lisa, the 4 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:12,560 Speaker 1: ceiling of the Sistine Chapel. 5 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 2: It's tough to make it to five hundred, but we 6 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 2: all did it. 7 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:19,120 Speaker 1: Y'all put five hundred candles on the cake because it's 8 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 1: party time. It's Friday, July twenty fourth, and on today's show, 9 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:25,919 Speaker 1: the winning is coach in WNBA history the Minnesota Links 10 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 1: Cheryl Reeve joins us to talk about the WUS officiating woes, 11 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:32,240 Speaker 1: how the league can take more action against online hate, 12 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 1: Olivia Miles stellar rookie season, and what Cheryl's most looking 13 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 1: forward to in her sixth go round as a WNBA 14 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:42,559 Speaker 1: All Star coach. This weekend plus shooting stars in a 15 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:46,600 Speaker 1: city of them, prepping for Coop versus Spoon, and sharpening 16 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 1: the talons, It's all coming up right after this welcome 17 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 1: back slices, Happy five hundred. Here's what you need to 18 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 1: know today. Let's start with the WNBA where All Star 19 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 1: Weekend has arrived here in Chicago, and a reminder that 20 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 1: team Good Game is celebrating with a live show this 21 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 1: afternoon featuring guest Muffett McGraw and Big Citrus. Will include 22 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 1: the details for the live show in the show notes, 23 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:17,560 Speaker 1: So if you're in Chicago and you're listening to this, 24 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:20,759 Speaker 1: come on over and join us. Tonight, All Eyes will 25 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:22,680 Speaker 1: be on Win Trust Arena where the Three Point and 26 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 1: Shooting Stars challenges will be competed. Those will air on 27 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 1: ESPN beginning at eight pm Eastern, and on Saturday, it's 28 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 1: the All Star Game itself at the United Center, home 29 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:36,760 Speaker 1: of the MNBA Chicago Bulls and NHL's Chicago Blackhawks. Team Coop, 30 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 1: named for Honorary GM Cynthia Cooper, will be coached by 31 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:43,759 Speaker 1: Becky Hammond, with Paige Beckers, Brianna Stewart, and Kelsey Mitchell 32 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 1: headlining the squad. Meantime Team Spoon, named for Honorary GM 33 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 1: Teresa Weatherspoon, will be coached by Cheryl Reeve and headlined 34 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 1: by Caitlin Clark, Asia Wilson, and Olivia Miles. In addition 35 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 1: to competing for All Star Pride, the two teams will 36 00:01:56,880 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 1: also be competing for a prize pool that benefits two 37 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 1: local charities. We have plenty more to discuss about this 38 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 1: year's All Star festivities. In just a bit with Cheryl 39 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 1: Reeve to the NWSL, where we've got another busy weekend 40 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 1: of games. Tonight's matchups are headlined by a contest between 41 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 1: the Portland Thorns and Gotham FC. Gotham currently sits second 42 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 1: on the NWSL table, and they're on a three game 43 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 1: win streak, while the Thorns are sitting pretty and fourth. 44 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 2: Should be a good battle. 45 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:24,960 Speaker 1: There are two NWSL games Saturday, including a contest between 46 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:27,920 Speaker 1: the Boston Legacy and the Kansas City Current. Boston's been 47 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 1: looking better in recent weeks, going on a three game 48 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 1: unbeaten streak before losing two to one to the Washington 49 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 1: Spirit last Sunday. This Sunday, the league leading Spirit hosts 50 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 1: the Denver Summit. The teams have already met once this season. 51 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 2: Back in March. 52 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 1: You might remember more than sixty three thousand fans packing 53 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 1: into Empower Field at Mile High to break the NWSL's 54 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 1: single match attendance record. 55 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 2: That game ended in a scoreless draw. We'll see how 56 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 2: they fared this weekend. 57 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 1: To softball, the best of three AUSL Championship series gets 58 00:02:57,040 --> 00:02:59,079 Speaker 1: underway with Game one tomorrow. 59 00:02:59,280 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 2: Now. 60 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 1: We're recording this ahead of Thursday night's playing game between 61 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 1: the number two Chicago Bandits and the number three Portland Cascade. 62 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 1: Whoever wins that game will face off against the top 63 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 1: seeded Utah Talents, who are looking to become back to 64 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:14,399 Speaker 1: back champs, having taken home the title in year one 65 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 1: of the AUSL last season. Game one begins at one 66 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 1: pm Eastern on Saturday and will air on ABC, while 67 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 1: Sunday's Game two is at two pm on ESPN. Game three, 68 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 1: if necessary, will air Monday night on ESPN two. 69 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 2: Slices. 70 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:32,919 Speaker 1: As we head into the mediist portion of WNBA All 71 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 1: Star Weekend, I want to quickly note how far the 72 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 1: league and the All Star celebration have come since Chicago 73 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 1: hosted just a few years ago in twenty twenty two. Now, 74 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 1: the league didn't provide the Chicago Sports Commission much lead 75 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 1: time last time, so there weren't nearly as many major 76 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 1: activations or opportunities for sponsor involvement, and the city was 77 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 1: limited in its ability to use top venues and facilities 78 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 1: which were already booked up. So this year, the w 79 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 1: announced the host city much earlier, and the league has 80 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 1: had a bit of a glow up since twenty twenty 81 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 1: two as well, so the upgrades are noticeable. Practices shift 82 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 1: from a multiplex on the west side of town in 83 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 1: twenty twenty two to home court at the Obama Presidential 84 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 1: Center this year. In twenty twenty two, Friday Night Skills 85 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 1: and Three Point Contest was at a basketball court dropped 86 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:19,920 Speaker 1: into a conference center that was closed to fans and 87 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 1: not remotely worthy of the show. Ali quickly put on, 88 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 1: setting an all time three point contest record for point 89 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 1: scored and winning for a record fourth time. This year's 90 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:31,600 Speaker 1: Friday festivities are at the home of the Chicago sky 91 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 1: Win Trust Arena, and the game itself gets a major 92 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 1: glow up from wind Trust to the United Center. It's 93 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:40,919 Speaker 1: super fun to see progress move so fast, and we 94 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:43,599 Speaker 1: need to remember to enjoy it even as we're rightly 95 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:45,360 Speaker 1: pointing out some growing pains. 96 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 2: All Right, We're going to take a break when we 97 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 2: come back. It's the great Cheryl Reef. 98 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 1: I caught up with her on Tuesday before link Starnafisa 99 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 1: Collier made her season debut in Wednesday's game against the 100 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 1: Seattle Storm, and as you'll hear at the end of 101 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 1: the interview. Cheryl was a little coy when I asked 102 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 1: her about feast potential return, and now we know why 103 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 1: stick around. 104 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:05,360 Speaker 2: That interview's coming up. 105 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 1: Next, joining us now making her triumphant second appearance here 106 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 1: on Good Games. She recently broke the record for most 107 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:20,559 Speaker 1: regular season coaching wins in WNBA history with three hundred 108 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 1: and eighty and counting. 109 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:23,160 Speaker 2: She's the head coach. 110 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:25,040 Speaker 1: And president of basketball ops for the Minnesota Links of 111 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 1: the WNBA, a team she's led to four championship wins. 112 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:30,479 Speaker 1: She's also a two time WNBA champion as an assistant 113 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:33,160 Speaker 1: coach with the Detroit Shock, a four time WNBA Coach 114 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 1: of the Year, two time WNBA Executive of the Year. 115 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:37,479 Speaker 1: She was inducted into the Women's Basketball Hall of Fame 116 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 1: last month, head coach of the USA basketball team that 117 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 1: won gold in Paris, and a favorite of our show, 118 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 1: joining us for number five hundred. 119 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:47,480 Speaker 2: It's Cheryl Reeve. 120 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 3: What's up coach five hundo. That's amazing. I'm so honored 121 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:53,479 Speaker 3: to have a chance to be here for this. This 122 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 3: is awesome. Great to see. 123 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 1: Who better ahead of All Star weekend, the coach of 124 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 1: the team leading the league and before we even get 125 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 1: to this insanely great season you're having. I want to 126 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 1: flash back to wherever you were. If you remember when 127 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:10,840 Speaker 1: Nafisa Collier said, Hey, coach, wanted to let you know 128 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 1: I'm going to be out for not one, but two 129 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 1: ankle surgeries and missing first half of the season, if 130 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 1: not more. What was your first thought. 131 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I mean it was sort of ongoing, so 132 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 4: it wasn't like all of a sudden, you know, the 133 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:26,799 Speaker 4: information came obviously that was a part of both ankle injuries, 134 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 4: and as we kind of worked through and rehabbing, and 135 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 4: it started to head towards a point where the trainer 136 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:36,600 Speaker 4: became concerned, medical staff became concerned that we plateaued. And 137 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:40,040 Speaker 4: then with the second one, it was a matter of hey, 138 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 4: this is probably going to head the same direction. So 139 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:45,159 Speaker 4: we gave it a chance, you know, non surgical, which 140 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 4: was always the choice, but we started hitting that way. 141 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 4: I guess was what November. I want to say that, 142 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:53,479 Speaker 4: you know, the first one and then you know you 143 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:56,359 Speaker 4: got to you know, unrivaled in January, and then the 144 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 4: decision was made that that was the best path. 145 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:00,480 Speaker 2: It was a very measured response. My response would have been. 146 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 4: Shit, well, hey, you know I'll tell you it was 147 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:06,920 Speaker 4: a lot to go through, right Like the day that 148 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 4: our staff that was a part of it. We'll never 149 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 4: forget is the day that we played Las Vegas. There 150 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 4: was a lot that went on that day. We were 151 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 4: in the midst of a trade conversation. We have a 152 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 4: historic We played unbelievably, unbelievably. You know, obviously at the 153 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 4: end of the third quarter, which was going to be Fees, 154 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 4: you know, final appearance in that game, she gets hurt. 155 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 4: And we always know fees reactions. You know, you get 156 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 4: to know your players pretty well, and the reaction was, 157 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 4: oh shit, this wasn't this wasn't good. 158 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 3: You know. 159 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 4: Obviously I've gone through my emotions of you left her 160 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 4: out there, shouldn't be out there. But I also know 161 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 4: what's realistic. The player wanted to be out there, that 162 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 4: sort of thing. It's just not how it works. At 163 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 4: no point in time has ever you know. I I 164 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 4: was with her. I was great remorse and she was 165 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 4: like Sheryl, I wanted to be out there and sometimes 166 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 4: shit happens, but I have felt it. 167 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, what's wild? 168 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 1: Does we talk about that fifty three point game so 169 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 1: often in the context of you spurring the Aces into 170 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 1: getting their shit together and going on an epic run 171 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 1: and then winning it all. But we don't talk as 172 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 1: much about the direction your team went after that. Of course, 173 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 1: feeded return later in the season, But that first injury 174 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 1: then compiled with the second injury, and here you are now. 175 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 1: It could have been a story of why the Links 176 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 1: are having an off season not so still crushing it 177 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 1: even without b which I want to get you, but 178 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:38,119 Speaker 1: I want to ask quickly because you were rightfully frustrated 179 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:40,199 Speaker 1: when Fee got the second injury, when she went down 180 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:42,680 Speaker 1: in the series with the Phoenix Mercury. You got ejected 181 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:45,319 Speaker 1: for confronting the rafts and find for criticizing them after 182 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:48,319 Speaker 1: the game. Two other head coaches also fine for criticizing 183 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 1: the officials in the league at that moment. And yet, 184 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 1: despite all of that coverage and all of the promises 185 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:56,440 Speaker 1: of change, and heading into this past offseason presuming there 186 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 1: would be a big difference this year, we're still spending 187 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 1: an awful lot of time talking about officiating inconsistencies. 188 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:03,439 Speaker 2: What is the solution? 189 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 4: I am really glad you asked, because I don't I 190 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:12,560 Speaker 4: think it's unfair to conflate the officiating problems that have 191 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:16,080 Speaker 4: made the national news versus what is actually happening with 192 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 4: officiating and what the task for spent time on. We 193 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 4: have improved actually dramatically with the physicality that we were 194 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:29,439 Speaker 4: seeing that they are making better calls. We have added 195 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 4: they happened in our game last night, secondary act, So 196 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 4: the Alyssa Thomas play on fee now very clearly is 197 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 4: a val right the extra secondary act that could cause 198 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 4: injury and did cause injury. 199 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 3: There has been tangible change. 200 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 4: I think what we're conflating is that we actually have 201 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:49,559 Speaker 4: a it's a great thing to have some of the 202 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 4: personnels that we have in this league that have really 203 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 4: blown the league up. Sort of unintended consequences to that 204 00:09:56,760 --> 00:10:00,199 Speaker 4: is we have two players in the league that are 205 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:05,320 Speaker 4: harder to officiate because of who they are, Kaylin Clark 206 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 4: and Angel Reese. I don't think we should confuse officiating 207 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 4: those two and all that goes with it with what's 208 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 4: actually happening in the tangible changes that we have seen. 209 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 3: Are we perfect. No, We'll always talk about. 210 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 4: Consistency and officiating, but at the at the end of 211 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 4: the day, officials are doing better. Now this is being recorded, 212 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 4: I can't claim, MAYI this is real. 213 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 2: I'm saying they're doing better. Write it down. 214 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:34,560 Speaker 4: We have another problem, right, that's it's sort of running parallel, 215 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:37,559 Speaker 4: and that's you know, that's something that you know. I mean, 216 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:39,680 Speaker 4: I guess it's part of the growing pains, if you will. 217 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 4: But I think those two players can help the situation 218 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 4: a little bit. They have, they have a part in this. 219 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 4: Officials need to do better in officiating them. It's a 220 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 4: quote good problem. I wouldn't want efficient officials. 221 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with you, and I think the players 222 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:57,080 Speaker 1: do have the ability to sort of shut down some 223 00:10:57,200 --> 00:10:59,959 Speaker 1: of the commentary that they're seeing online with their own voice, 224 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:02,320 Speaker 1: which is maybe the only place that we'll get some 225 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 1: folks to see things differently because the officiating news makes 226 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:09,559 Speaker 1: it difficult for first of all, the rafts to call 227 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 1: those games. Like you said, it's harder because of the 228 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 1: scrutiny on those two players in particular, but also it 229 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 1: then has this larger impact on players of racist messages 230 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 1: and online harassment. 231 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 2: And I wonder what. 232 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:22,320 Speaker 1: Role you think the league should play, because that is 233 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 1: not unique to the WNBA. If you are on the 234 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:26,840 Speaker 1: internet and you are a human, you have the likelihood 235 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 1: of being trolled and harassment, attacked. But it does feel 236 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:32,679 Speaker 1: different in the WNBA, one because they can't afford the 237 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 1: same actual physical protection. 238 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 2: Two because of the. 239 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:38,680 Speaker 1: Way women are already marginalized and psychologically impacted by the 240 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 1: patriarchy and society and expectation and criticism and everything else. 241 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 1: But it also feels like the connection between the top 242 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 1: of the league and the players in. 243 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 2: The w should be different maybe. 244 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:50,679 Speaker 1: Than what we see in men's leagues. And I don't 245 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 1: know if that's an unfair expectation, but I wonder what 246 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 1: do you do if you're the league, because it's an 247 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 1: issue everywhere. 248 00:11:56,880 --> 00:12:00,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, And your point that the NBA doesn't face this thing. 249 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 4: They have different different issues, Right, they get the same 250 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:05,680 Speaker 4: threats from the betters, right that when their parlay is 251 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 4: messed up or whatever, Right, they get the same thing. 252 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 3: You know, it's. 253 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 4: A different climate, I think for us as the league 254 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 4: has grown and evolved and we're in this space now 255 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 4: and the value of our league that betting is so big, 256 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:24,720 Speaker 4: and you know, we're making it right. And we've always 257 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:26,720 Speaker 4: said be careful what we wish for because this is 258 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 4: what was next, right, and here we are. If this 259 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:33,199 Speaker 4: was the only thing we were dealing with right, the 260 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:36,320 Speaker 4: threats by someone who lost a bet, that would be 261 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:40,080 Speaker 4: one thing, but the racial undertones and you know, if 262 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 4: we go back to Larry Bird and Magic Johnson, I 263 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 4: suspect the same thing. We would go back and read 264 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 4: it's very similar racism in our country sort of where 265 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 4: we are and being so divided. Right, sports are a 266 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:56,559 Speaker 4: microcosm of society, right, and so what can the league 267 00:12:56,559 --> 00:13:00,199 Speaker 4: do better? Lee can't control what people are doing. The 268 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 4: league can control their connection with the players. 269 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 3: You know. 270 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 4: The meeting that they're going to have, I think is 271 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 4: definitely very worthy. You know, we have to develop trust, 272 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 4: just like a team. If trust is broken, you're not 273 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 4: going to be very successful. And so I think both 274 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 4: groups really need to work hard. Either put your things 275 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 4: aside or we're got to make changes whatever it is. 276 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 3: But let's until we have to work. 277 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 4: Together in this space. I think the league very much 278 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:31,840 Speaker 4: wants to be a part of solution and protecting our players. 279 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:35,200 Speaker 4: I don't think that they're not wanting to be a 280 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 4: part of that. There is so only so much you 281 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:40,200 Speaker 4: can do. You can't control what people do. We can't 282 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:41,200 Speaker 4: control ourselves. 283 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you mentioned the communication, which is something 284 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 1: that I think the players can at least feel more 285 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 1: supported even as they're going through something that might be 286 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:51,959 Speaker 1: an inevitability in this current moment, especially with the way 287 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 1: the internet is, you know. Speaking of that communication, I 288 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 1: wonder if did Fisa Klier tell you anything she was 289 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:00,319 Speaker 1: going to say in her exit interview, specifically about the 290 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:01,559 Speaker 1: commissioner Kathy Engelberg. 291 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:02,480 Speaker 2: Did you know what was coming? 292 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:06,679 Speaker 4: I did not, matter of fact, I was doing exit 293 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 4: interviews while they were doing some media interviews and I 294 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 4: was on my way and they pulled me aside and. 295 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:15,440 Speaker 3: I, hey, just so you know, you might want to 296 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:18,360 Speaker 3: know about went nuclear. And I was like, what do 297 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 3: you mean? 298 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 4: And I'm walking in and I see the media whose 299 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 4: eyes are like they were, you know, kind of like wow, 300 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 4: you know, And then they asked me. 301 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 3: I said, I had no idea. 302 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 4: I was aware of the anecdotes that she shared along 303 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 4: the way. Everything she shared was things that she shared 304 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 4: with me at the time, so I knew, I knew 305 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 4: the feeling. I didn't know that that she was going 306 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 4: to have that reaction at that time, and you know, 307 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 4: share House, you're just feeling. 308 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 2: It had a big impact. 309 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 1: It was part of the larger off season conversation around 310 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 1: the CBA and changes to the league, which have frankly 311 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 1: been despite a lot of consternation on the way and 312 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 1: maybe not perfect, but wow, what a place to be 313 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 1: in at thirty years in. And it's like you said, 314 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:00,160 Speaker 1: there's growing pains that come with what you wish for, 315 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 1: and now it's about holding both at once. How can 316 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 1: we celebrate the great things and also acknowledge that things 317 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 1: aren't perfect. 318 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 2: Something that was. 319 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:11,760 Speaker 1: Perfect, potentially was your draft pick Olivia Miles. You're sitting 320 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 1: there Draft night, the Wings take Asy Fud, You're at 321 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 1: number two, thanks Chicago, and Olivia Miles is on the board, 322 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 1: some other talented players available to How easy was it 323 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 1: for you. 324 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 2: To make that pick? And why did you know Olivia 325 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 2: was the right fit? 326 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 3: Well, obviously draft night we already knew the direction. 327 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 4: So for then it was just about, like, you know, 328 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 4: make the selection, but the process leading up to it. 329 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 4: There were some really good choices in the draft. And 330 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 4: ultimately I said this a few times, I think there 331 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 4: were two players ahead generational skills, and that was Asy 332 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 4: Fudd and Olivia Miles. And so when you looked at 333 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 4: Dallas with Page sort of being appeared to be maybe 334 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:51,800 Speaker 4: their point guard that they would pair with asy that 335 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 4: is a reasonable choice. And so for us, you had 336 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 4: a player like Awa Fam who we thought a lot 337 00:15:57,120 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 4: of and so we felt like we were in a 338 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 4: really good position whichever direction we could go. We had 339 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 4: needs in both spaces, both the point guard need as 340 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 4: well as a you know, in the post, and some 341 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 4: size and you know the skill set you know she 342 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 4: possesses in passing and shooting the basketball, that's all a fam. Ultimately, 343 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 4: our choice was when you have a point guard, when 344 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 4: you have. 345 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 3: A quarterback, right, that that changes everything. 346 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 4: And we wanted to become a part of the haves 347 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 4: and not the have nots in that space. Olivia Miles passing, Uh, 348 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 4: it is a lost art and we just we just said, 349 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 4: you know, it was a relatively easy decision. 350 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I'm not surprised. 351 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 3: Like what can improve our team? 352 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 2: You know, yeah, a lost art and a work of art. 353 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, so fun to watch. I love that 354 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:43,720 Speaker 1: she already acquired the nickname the show. It's so perfect. 355 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 3: That was Cheryl Miller. 356 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 2: I think, right, yeah, Cheryl Miller. 357 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 1: You bring her in and obviously now we've seen her 358 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 1: play and we understand the impact she's having on the team. 359 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 1: But there were a lot of questions about the Links 360 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 1: in this offseason, some unexpected departures considering how successful the 361 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 1: team has been in recent years. Most noteworthy probably Shepherd 362 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 1: Atlanta Smith going to the Wings. Natisha hided him. 363 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:04,960 Speaker 2: Into the storm, So you lost half the stud Buds. 364 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:07,679 Speaker 1: Bridget Carlton gets snagged in the expansion draft, so you 365 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 1: lose all those pieces. 366 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 2: Plus b is out. Dorky Uhas is out. 367 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 1: How the hell are you sitting at the top of 368 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:16,400 Speaker 1: the league, Cheryl, How did you do this? 369 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 3: Olivia Miles, Courtney Williams, Cala McBride. What you learn. There's 370 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 3: a couple of things. 371 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:26,119 Speaker 4: You got to make lemonade, you know, in life and 372 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 4: my two lemons figure it out. You know, you don't 373 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:31,679 Speaker 4: have time to wallow in it. We knew we were 374 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:33,919 Speaker 4: losing all those players you mentioned. That was not a 375 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:35,680 Speaker 4: surprise to us, and so we were hard at work 376 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:38,639 Speaker 4: on what the next plan was. You know, Natasha Howard, 377 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:40,920 Speaker 4: you know, her believing in us to come back and 378 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:44,280 Speaker 4: Nia Coffee was a bit more understated, and you know, 379 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 4: didn't necessarily have plans for her to be a starter. 380 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 4: We actually Dorky Ujas was going to be our starter. 381 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:49,399 Speaker 4: You know, she came and injured. 382 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:51,920 Speaker 1: You know, Nia looking like a hell of a deal 383 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:53,919 Speaker 1: right now based on the player getting out of her 384 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:56,120 Speaker 1: at the salary, she's at really really good. 385 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 4: Absolutely, I think, I mean, honestly the biggest thing. You know, 386 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:02,159 Speaker 4: we know Courtney Williams how terrific. Uh, you know, she 387 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:04,200 Speaker 4: was for us for two years and McBride's playing the 388 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:07,879 Speaker 4: best basketball of her career. When we put Olivia Miles 389 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 4: into our projections, what we projected her to be was 390 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:15,119 Speaker 4: not an average rookie. Uh but I could she perform 391 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 4: at an average w NBA player rate, right that would 392 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:19,639 Speaker 4: be you know kind of like that's you're getting a 393 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:22,720 Speaker 4: lot at her. What we didn't project was her being 394 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:24,680 Speaker 4: a top three player in the league. And so her 395 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:27,920 Speaker 4: top three player in the league has catapulted the links 396 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:30,959 Speaker 4: to where we are quite some kadelic Bride playing much 397 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 4: you know, like like some of the best basketball because 398 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:36,720 Speaker 4: Olivia Miles is you know, fine easy, yeah, I. 399 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:39,200 Speaker 3: Mean, so she's made everyone's. 400 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 4: Lives better, you know, and uh, you know, obviously waiting 401 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 4: for fee and and uh, you know, ready to insert 402 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 4: her when we get there and see what we look 403 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:51,480 Speaker 4: like you know, I think sometimes you know, the the 404 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:55,359 Speaker 4: lemon lemonade part, and then also getting lucky. That's always 405 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 4: a part of a successful season. The lucky part is 406 00:18:58,160 --> 00:18:59,480 Speaker 4: you know, being the right place at the right time 407 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:01,680 Speaker 4: with the number two pick and things like that, and 408 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 4: here we are. It's a team that believes in each other. 409 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, putting together a team with all the pieces. It's 410 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 1: not just about talent, it's what the fit is. Speaking 411 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:10,639 Speaker 1: of feed do do you want to give us a 412 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:11,680 Speaker 1: day when she's coming back? 413 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, I have that for you. 414 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 2: You'll see you so okay, okay, good, you'll see it. 415 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 2: I'll take soon. 416 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 3: When do we air this. 417 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:22,399 Speaker 2: Fridays? 418 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:25,200 Speaker 1: So probably not in the All Star Game this weekend, 419 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:27,439 Speaker 1: but yeah, we're excited to see her. 420 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:28,440 Speaker 3: You'll see her at all start. 421 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 2: Okay good. 422 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:32,159 Speaker 1: You've been a part of this league since two thousand 423 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:35,160 Speaker 1: and one, almost the entire thirty years of the league. 424 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:37,119 Speaker 1: We were amazed by the acceptance speech you gave at 425 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 1: the Women's Basketball Hall of Fame a few weeks ago, 426 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 1: talking about making just five thousand dollars when you first 427 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:43,720 Speaker 1: joined the league as an assistant coach for the Charlotte 428 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 1: Sting Full of letters after your name, from your educational 429 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 1: exploits and full of experience, and yet you were like, yeah, 430 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 1: five thousand dollars, I'll take it. You were an example 431 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 1: as the winningest regular season coach ever of someone who 432 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 1: came through women's basketball. The trend right now is a 433 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:02,399 Speaker 1: lot of coaches coming from the NBA. That's great, that's fine, 434 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:05,520 Speaker 1: but there are so few women coming up the ranks 435 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:07,359 Speaker 1: of the NBA that then you are likely to end 436 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:09,879 Speaker 1: up with even more male coaches, fewer women if you 437 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:12,119 Speaker 1: were women of color. The problem we've had for a 438 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:14,359 Speaker 1: long time. What do you make of this trend of 439 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 1: going to the NBA for talent? 440 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 4: History repeats itself. When I when I came into the league, 441 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 4: by the way, I was thrilled with the five thousand dollars. 442 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 4: I was so excited the WNBU branch, and yeah I 443 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 4: was host was I was rich in other ways so 444 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:31,679 Speaker 4: much much great appreciation for and Donovan and give me 445 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 4: that opportunity. The trend now we've already seen this. Matter 446 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:37,680 Speaker 4: of fact, the reason why I was an assistant coach 447 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 4: for ten years in the WNBA was because I was 448 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:44,399 Speaker 4: not an NBA person. Right, women weren't coaching in the 449 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 4: NBA at that time, So it was all reaching for 450 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 4: you know, the NBA franchises, you know, had some men 451 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:53,359 Speaker 4: that were sort of around not really doing anything. 452 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:55,199 Speaker 3: So hey, you'd be the WNBA coach. You got this, 453 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 3: you can go do it. 454 00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:59,440 Speaker 4: So for ten years, Lynn dun and I worked for 455 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 4: NBA folks. She worked for Brian Winters in Indiana. You know, 456 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 4: I worked for Bill Amber in Detroit. And so what happens, 457 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 4: like like when Bill Lambier and Michael Cooper in two 458 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 4: thousand and three were in the finals together competing for championships, 459 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 4: it becomes you need NBA guys to win. So Lynn 460 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 4: Dune and I thought it was really important when we won. 461 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:23,240 Speaker 4: When a woman won, right now, that's how it goes. 462 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 4: Whoever wins, that's what we need next. And so because 463 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:29,879 Speaker 4: of Lynn and I, women got more opportunities. And now 464 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 4: we're back in this space where what happened was and 465 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 4: again hinto history repeats itself. When it happened when Title 466 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 4: nine in nineteen seventy two, we had more women coaching 467 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 4: college basketball before Title nine. After Title nine, when it 468 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:47,440 Speaker 4: became more important and more investment, that was code for. 469 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:49,920 Speaker 2: And you got paid more, got paid. 470 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 3: Became a man's job. 471 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 4: And so to this day we still don't have more 472 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:56,119 Speaker 4: women coaching in college basketball than we do men. So 473 00:21:56,200 --> 00:22:00,640 Speaker 4: that same thing apply, that same thing when years ago 474 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 4: we lost seven w NBA coaches, right they got fired 475 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 4: because all of a sudden, this money, you know, became 476 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:10,920 Speaker 4: more the w NBA blew up evaluations. The franchise is 477 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:14,679 Speaker 4: right incomes the NBA folks again, who had cast us 478 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:18,680 Speaker 4: aside for many years in they come again right now, 479 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:21,360 Speaker 4: they want their franchises back, and that sort of thing. 480 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:25,159 Speaker 4: It's more important again, and then we have more men 481 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:29,879 Speaker 4: when we have NBA people. Becky Hammond being successful, you know, 482 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:32,920 Speaker 4: could lead to that, you know, But like you said, 483 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:36,920 Speaker 4: I have no problem with a larger pool. I would 484 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 4: love for the NBA to have a larger pool for 485 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 4: their head coach candidates and for them to be women, 486 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:42,440 Speaker 4: women of color, et cetera. 487 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 3: We got to keep working at it. 488 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:47,879 Speaker 4: I believe we need a task force for women of 489 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 4: color that we need to get on this right away, 490 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:53,200 Speaker 4: and we can't let this happen. Some version of the 491 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 4: Rooney rule, in addition to a rule that we put 492 00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:58,200 Speaker 4: in a few years ago where we had to have 493 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 4: a former player on our front of bench staff. We 494 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 4: don't talk about that very much. I don't know that 495 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:08,479 Speaker 4: it's actually still an enforced rule. A lot of us 496 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 4: have that anyway. But I think we need a combination 497 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 4: of things to do better. And if you know, people 498 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:16,719 Speaker 4: don't think that that's the right right path, and they 499 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 4: say the best person for their job, they're not looking 500 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 4: around at history and history repeating itself, and we know 501 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 4: what that means. And we've got to be a league 502 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:25,560 Speaker 4: that leads in this space. 503 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, we're back to the holding both things at one. 504 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 1: So it's great that the coaches are getting paid more 505 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:32,120 Speaker 1: and we're getting the best talent interested. And it's also 506 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:33,560 Speaker 1: not great if we end up pushing out a bunch 507 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 1: of women in favor of men who bring the three 508 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:38,959 Speaker 1: letters NBA with them. Cheryl, you've always had a lot 509 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 1: of ideas, and I wonder if you were a commissioner 510 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:43,720 Speaker 1: of the league for one year, what your top priority 511 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 1: would be. 512 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 4: Trust of the players. It's like a team. If my 513 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 4: team doesn't believe in what we're doing, and the way 514 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:53,680 Speaker 4: that the sort of the pecking order you have a 515 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,280 Speaker 4: pecking order on your team. I have a leadership team. 516 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 4: My leadership team is our is our big three are 517 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:01,720 Speaker 4: our captains along with our coaches, and so I would 518 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:05,199 Speaker 4: work really, really hard in that space of you know, 519 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 4: you got to repair relations and they need your trust, 520 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 4: and so I think that probably would be top of mind. 521 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:14,720 Speaker 4: Obviously the business element, right, you know, I think that's 522 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:18,359 Speaker 4: obviously huge at this point. But number one would be 523 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 4: player relations. 524 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 1: Do you agree with me that it'd be great to 525 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:23,879 Speaker 1: have either a deputy commissioner or maybe have Kathy b 526 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 1: cfo CEO, and then have the commissioner be someone like 527 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,399 Speaker 1: a Swin Cash or a former player who feels like 528 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 1: they really understand the plight of the people they're leading. 529 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:34,359 Speaker 4: I think if we had it in our commissioner, it 530 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:36,639 Speaker 4: would be better. I don't think you need two. And 531 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:38,880 Speaker 4: I mean if it comes a deputy, yeah, I think 532 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,360 Speaker 4: for me, you know, as the head coach, right as 533 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 4: the leader of basically the whole basketball operations, it's about relationships. 534 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 4: I don't do one or the other. And so I 535 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 4: don't think that the commissioner's job should be like, well, 536 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:52,440 Speaker 4: I'm going to focus on this. I'm we'll let somebody 537 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:54,960 Speaker 4: else focus on that. The person at the top is 538 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,119 Speaker 4: the one that matters the most, and that's got to 539 00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:58,680 Speaker 4: be the to me, it's got to be the player 540 00:24:58,720 --> 00:24:59,639 Speaker 4: relations and the trust. 541 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:02,200 Speaker 1: We're heading into the All Star Game. It's going to 542 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:05,159 Speaker 1: be your sixth time heading up a team. Do you 543 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,080 Speaker 1: try to learn things about opponents from the players that 544 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:08,720 Speaker 1: are under you? 545 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:14,000 Speaker 2: Do you try to figure out always? Of course, always, always, always, always. 546 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:17,080 Speaker 4: Pick up nuggets here and there. Yeah, not necessarily in 547 00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 4: the game. Uh, you know, the game is. 548 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:21,159 Speaker 2: The game practice and otherwise. 549 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:25,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the highly entertaining game, Uh for sure. No, 550 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 3: I think I think just being. 551 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 4: Around, you know, other players in the league and you 552 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:30,920 Speaker 4: learn it's just like USA basketball, you just learn more 553 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:31,480 Speaker 4: about them. 554 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 3: So being in that space and it's fun. 555 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:37,160 Speaker 1: Is there a player that you really like, like someone 556 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:38,960 Speaker 1: that's not on the links that you really enjoy coaching 557 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:39,679 Speaker 1: and talking ball with. 558 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 4: That's kind of tough, you know, to name names, promise 559 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 4: simple answers. Yes, okay, Now, I mean I've been in 560 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:50,399 Speaker 4: a league a long time, Like you said, I've had 561 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:52,320 Speaker 4: a lot of players that, you know, the older players 562 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:55,639 Speaker 4: that we've been through so much together, whether we're you know, 563 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 4: we're on a team at the same time or whether 564 00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:58,920 Speaker 4: we're on a different team now or whether people that 565 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,760 Speaker 4: we compete against, you know, Kennis Parker. Right, we were 566 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,879 Speaker 4: down there in Knoxville and we're like, you know, somebody 567 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:06,720 Speaker 4: take a picture of this, because no, these are things 568 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:07,680 Speaker 4: that we never thought would happen. 569 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,760 Speaker 3: That we're sitting here and you know, kind of choppingitiating 570 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:11,240 Speaker 3: one another. 571 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 4: Yeah. 572 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, the stud Buds have announced they're back for the 573 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:16,160 Speaker 1: seventy two hour live stream at All Star. 574 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 2: Can we expect an appearance from you? 575 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 3: I suspect at some point in time. 576 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,439 Speaker 4: I'm not sure exactly what space all fit in, but 577 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:25,360 Speaker 4: I think they will be unavoidable. 578 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 3: I think Putney and he will be hunting it out. 579 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:29,639 Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know if anyone can plan for an 580 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:30,320 Speaker 2: appearance on that. 581 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 1: I think you just scourged me out by the stud 582 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 1: Buds live stream. 583 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:35,160 Speaker 3: True. 584 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 1: I want to ask you because as the president of 585 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,280 Speaker 1: basket WAPs from Minnesota, Lynks, you're doing a lot of 586 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 1: the deciding around roster and you have this sort of 587 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 1: GM role, But you also are married to another person 588 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 1: at the top of the business at the Links, Carly Knox, 589 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,800 Speaker 1: and according to Wikipedia, your son Oliver has seen every 590 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 1: single Links home game since he was born. 591 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 2: So I'm wondering if the streak is still going. 592 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 3: It is it is. 593 00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,280 Speaker 4: He had to you know, it was a big, big 594 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:02,200 Speaker 4: thing Carly. My wife coaches him on soccer club soccer. 595 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:05,240 Speaker 4: It's very serious business. And they had tryouts on a 596 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,560 Speaker 4: Monday night and we had a game. Oliver said, I'm 597 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 4: not missing a links game for soccer tryouts, and so 598 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 4: it is still intact. 599 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:12,040 Speaker 2: Amazing. 600 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:13,840 Speaker 1: I love that he knows the streak is still going 601 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,880 Speaker 1: to okay real quick, because she's president of business. Ops, 602 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:17,920 Speaker 1: you're a president of basketball. 603 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 2: Ops. The best part of working with your spouse. 604 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:22,359 Speaker 3: Then we don't see each other very much. 605 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,399 Speaker 2: The worst part of working with your spouse. 606 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:29,160 Speaker 3: There's no worst part. 607 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:32,439 Speaker 4: I mean, I think we actually help each other in 608 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:34,800 Speaker 4: each of our areas and so there's no worst part 609 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,200 Speaker 4: of again, because because we don't see each other very much. 610 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:38,920 Speaker 2: I was gonna say, you got to go home to that, 611 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:39,479 Speaker 2: so I get it. 612 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:41,879 Speaker 1: My parents have been married fifty plus years, they've been 613 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 1: law partners together for thirty plus of it or whatever 614 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:47,399 Speaker 1: that is, and I would say the only thing is 615 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 1: work is always with you because they know everyone that 616 00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 1: you know, and they know all the problems and so 617 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:52,960 Speaker 1: when you get home you don't get. 618 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:53,440 Speaker 2: To shut it off. 619 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:56,120 Speaker 1: But that can also be helpful sometime you get stuff done. 620 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,440 Speaker 2: I'm so excited to get to see you this weekend. 621 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:00,720 Speaker 2: I'm so excited to watch the game and the excitement. 622 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:02,400 Speaker 2: I wish we could talk longer. 623 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:03,919 Speaker 1: There are so many things I'd love to pick your 624 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 1: brain on, but maybe we'll do it during a. 625 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:10,680 Speaker 2: Seventy two hour stud Bud's live stream. That's all to hear. 626 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:12,280 Speaker 2: That's the best place to talk about. 627 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:13,960 Speaker 3: That'd be pretty cool. I'll be game. 628 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,479 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Cheryl, thanks so much for coming on. 629 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:18,960 Speaker 2: Congrats all five hundred, Thank you so much. Congrats on 630 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:20,040 Speaker 2: three to eighty and counting. 631 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 1: Thanks so much, Sarah, Thanks again to Cheryl for taking 632 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,640 Speaker 1: the time. Right after we wrapped, producer Alex made sure 633 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:30,200 Speaker 1: to confirm that Oliver did still make his soccer team, 634 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 1: even though he had to miss tryouts to watch the 635 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:32,920 Speaker 1: Links game. 636 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:34,240 Speaker 2: Good looking out, Al. 637 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 1: We have to take another break when we come back. 638 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:38,400 Speaker 1: You have brains in your head, you have feet in 639 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 1: your shoes. You can steer yourself any direction you choose. 640 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:44,280 Speaker 2: Don't go anywhere. We'll be right back. 641 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:53,720 Speaker 1: Welcome back, Slices We love that you're listening, but we 642 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 1: want you to get in the game every day too, 643 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:57,760 Speaker 1: So here's our good game play of the day. Send 644 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:01,120 Speaker 1: us your takeaways from WNBA All Star weekend. Whether you're 645 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,720 Speaker 1: here in Chicago or watching from home, we want to 646 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,120 Speaker 1: hear from you and with all a big sittress on 647 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 1: the ground for the big weekend. Treat us as your 648 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:12,200 Speaker 1: docins and pis. You got a question about Chicago, an 649 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,080 Speaker 1: event or party from the weekend, feel free to send 650 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 1: us your questions. 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We are going to be 654 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 1: head down at all the events in our live show, 655 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 1: so we might miss some of the fun and we'd 656 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:30,680 Speaker 1: love to see it. 657 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 2: Hit us up on. 658 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 1: Email good game at wondermedianetwork dot com or leave us 659 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 1: a voicemail at eight seven two two oh four fifty 660 00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:41,320 Speaker 1: seventy And we've said it four hundred ninety nine times before, 661 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:45,040 Speaker 1: but we'll say it again today. Don't forget to subscribe, 662 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:48,200 Speaker 1: rate and review. It can be your birthday present to us. 663 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,160 Speaker 1: How many people, do you know turning five hundred? It 664 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:55,080 Speaker 1: really helps the show and it's really easy watch women's 665 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:58,920 Speaker 1: sports teams that are embracing AI, rating ten out of 666 00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,000 Speaker 1: ten lake's worth of water that could have been put 667 00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 1: to better use. 668 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:02,680 Speaker 2: Review. 669 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:07,240 Speaker 1: The WNBA's Portland Thorns and NWSL's Portland Fire announced this 670 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:10,680 Speaker 1: week they've partnered with an AI company, celebrating with a 671 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 1: press release lauding it as the quote unquote first exclusively 672 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,840 Speaker 1: women's professional sports AI partnership in the United States. 673 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 2: Wellah. 674 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:21,680 Speaker 1: In a statement, Thorn's President of Business Ops, Alexis Lee, 675 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,240 Speaker 1: praise the partnership for how it will help the team's 676 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:27,800 Speaker 1: fan base. Quote when we can understand our fans more deeply, 677 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,800 Speaker 1: serve our community more meaningfully, and tell the stories of 678 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,360 Speaker 1: these incredible athletes with the tools to match the moment 679 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:38,760 Speaker 1: that is when AI becomes something human end quote understand 680 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 1: your fans more deeply. I think if you tried that, 681 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 1: you'd probably learn that most of them, like the majority 682 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:47,520 Speaker 1: of Americans, are increasingly against the expansion of AI and 683 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:50,840 Speaker 1: the data centers that come with it. And who's asking 684 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:54,000 Speaker 1: for AI to become more human? We've already got more 685 00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:56,400 Speaker 1: than enough humans on this damn planet, plenty of whom 686 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 1: don't appear to be using a single bit of their brain. 687 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,760 Speaker 2: So let's work on making them more human, huh. Or 688 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:04,960 Speaker 2: on asking questions of the smartest and most expert among us. 689 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 1: They put in the work and the time and they've 690 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,640 Speaker 1: got the answers we seek. Or how about asking the 691 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 1: artists and creators to dig deep into their imaginations for 692 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:16,800 Speaker 1: the art and music and writing and beauty. We need 693 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 1: to make this whole life journey joyful or at the 694 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,920 Speaker 1: very least bearable. As of this recording, the Fire in 695 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:26,080 Speaker 1: Thorn's Instagram post announcing this deal have more than five 696 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:30,320 Speaker 1: hundred comments combined, nearly all of them lambasting the partnership. 697 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:33,280 Speaker 1: And if those human written comments aren't enough to show 698 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:36,000 Speaker 1: just how much fans hate this, here's hoping Fire and 699 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:39,800 Speaker 1: Thorn's execs will ask their precious AI tool, because even 700 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 1: Google's automatic AI response, well again, is quick to tell 701 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,640 Speaker 1: you how disappointed they are with the summary, saying quote 702 00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:50,400 Speaker 1: supporters have loudly rejected the deal, criticizing the introduction of 703 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:54,200 Speaker 1: artificial intelligence as a corporate priority over fan interests and 704 00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:59,320 Speaker 1: voicing concerns about privacy and data usage. End quote. Seems 705 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:03,560 Speaker 1: even the robots understand. Nobody asks for this. Now it's 706 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:07,160 Speaker 1: your turn, y'all, rate and review, Thanks for listening, See 707 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,600 Speaker 1: you next week. Good game, Cheryl, Good game us for 708 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,600 Speaker 1: looking so damn good at five hundred, we don't look 709 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:15,680 Speaker 1: a day over four hundred and ninety nine. 710 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,400 Speaker 2: You anyone who's forcing AI on us. 711 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,120 Speaker 1: Good Game with Sarah Spain is an iHeart women's sports 712 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,280 Speaker 1: production in partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment. You 713 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:29,240 Speaker 1: can find us on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or 714 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:32,640 Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts. 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