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Speaker 1: Coming to you live from the Cross Country Mortgage Campus

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Speaker 1: in Barrie, Ohio. This is Cleveland Browns Daily on eight

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Speaker 1: Here are your hosts, Bo Bishop and Nathan Zegura.

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Speaker 2: Lets you live on a Tuesday edition of the program,

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Speaker 2: merely Bo the great ze sun kissed out and straight

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Speaker 2: from the sun.

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Speaker 3: We're back, baby, great great good to be back, really

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Speaker 3: really terrific, terrific. It was so nice to be in

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Speaker 3: warmth and sun and we have an orb we have

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Speaker 3: the sun. It was negative ten degrees windchill this morning.

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Speaker 3: I want to I gave schools are canceled again? Nobody

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Speaker 3: goes to school?

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Speaker 2: Nohow like I had last week. I can't remember. You

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Speaker 2: were out Thursday. Uh yeah, And so on Thursday show,

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Speaker 2: I was like, I gotta call it, five thirty in

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Speaker 2: the morning saying school, our schools were canceled. Yeah, like

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Speaker 2: you knew it was going to snow. I left practice

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Speaker 2: on Wednesday, magnificant blizzard. This is when you were delayed

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Speaker 2: getting out like it was a it was chaos. You

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Speaker 2: knew at nine o'clock at night. You're not going to school.

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Speaker 2: Make the call, damn it. So I will give them credit. Now,

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Speaker 2: they were one of the last schools in the whole

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Speaker 2: area to do so. But yesterday around six thirty they

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Speaker 2: did cancel. I mean, if it's negative eleven, wind, chill

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Speaker 2: at bus stops, you're not going to school.

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Speaker 3: Like, it's just that's it. Go ahead, give a no.

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Speaker 4: That's I was had an indoor golf simulator yesterday. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: playing with one of my buddies. He gets a text

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Speaker 4: at two o'clock from Fairview. Yeah, canceled.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: At two oh five, the bay next to us has

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Speaker 4: like five kids from Avon. They get a text done celebrating.

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Speaker 4: Four bays down there's a bunch of teachers from north Ridgeville.

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Speaker 4: Cocktails started flowing at two ten. I was like, what

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Speaker 4: are we doing? I was wondering what time you got

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Speaker 4: the call?

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Speaker 2: So it was like six thirty at night, and literally

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Speaker 2: the only two schools that hadn't canceled by the time

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Speaker 2: we did that I could recognize because I named everyone,

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Speaker 2: we played sports and all of that, and they were

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Speaker 2: all canceled. The only two were US and Aurora were

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Speaker 2: the only two that hadn't and then they canceled it

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Speaker 2: around six thirty. So I guess this comes down to

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Speaker 2: kids at bus stops, yep is really it's kids waiting outside.

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Speaker 3: In this temperature, is what it comes down to.

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Speaker 2: And if you are someone who can take your kids,

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Speaker 2: then that's very blessed and lucky. But that's not the majority.

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Speaker 2: And so for the kids who stand, this is what

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Speaker 2: it is. And so the problem with this though, and

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Speaker 2: I promise this won't all be about the weather. The

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Speaker 2: problem with this is is like we're into this for

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Speaker 2: a minute for like it's a deep freeze for a while.

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Speaker 2: Lot here now it's been the coldest November December January

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Speaker 2: that since I've moved here. Oh yeah, that I can

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Speaker 2: recall the snowiest, Yeah I do, yeah, certainly one of them.

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Speaker 2: I mean, so tomorrow we're thirty seven, and then thirty

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Speaker 2: and then thirteen eight, twelve, nineteen twenty two, nineteen thirteen,

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Speaker 5: So like.

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Speaker 2: Now some of that's this weekend thirteen eight and fifteen,

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Speaker 3: But like that's that's this is where we're at. Kids. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: we're gonna be here for a while. Yeah, not great.

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Speaker 3: It was. It was wonderful to be sun kissed down there.

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Speaker 3: Luke at a great. It was great on the plane,

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Speaker 3: even with the delay. He was great. Just an adaptable.

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Speaker 3: Big shout out to the Dizzles for hosting us. It

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Speaker 3: then you come back and it's the most oppressed thing ever,

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Speaker 3: come back to the clouds and like, how is this

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Speaker 3: the same country? How is it that I can stit

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Speaker 3: really really Yeah. Not great, but here we are, and

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Speaker 3: a lot has happened. A great football weekend. We had

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Speaker 3: lots going on, Lots going on all around the league

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Speaker 3: since we lasted a show together. So it's been certainly

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Speaker 3: an interesting time. We have a new national champion. I

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Speaker 3: mean I saw a stat that Indiana in its entire history,

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Speaker 3: prior to this season, the Indiana football Hoosiers had won

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Speaker 3: three bowl games. They won three bowl games this year,

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Speaker 3: including the national championship.

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Speaker 2: That's a great one. Here's one Indiana started playing football

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Speaker 2: in eighteen eighty seven. Okay, long time ago.

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Speaker 3: Do you know me eight win seasons?

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Speaker 2: They have historically eight win seasons eighteen eighty.

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Speaker 3: Seven, three four. Do you mean nine win seasons?

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Speaker 5: They have.

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Speaker 3: One? Two?

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Speaker 2: Do you have any ten win seasons? They have two,

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Speaker 2: the last two, the last two.

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Speaker 3: That's it.

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Speaker 2: That's the list going into this season. This was the

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Speaker 2: losingest program in the history of college football and they

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Speaker 2: just went sixteen to zero and won a national championship.

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Speaker 2: There is nothing in team sport miracle on ice. I

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Speaker 2: suppose there's nothing in team sport that is a comparative

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Speaker 3: That really is like a one off tournament like this was.

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Speaker 3: They did this the whole season.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and now they're twenty six and two the last

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Speaker 2: two years with their only losses to Ohio State and

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Speaker 2: Notre Dame last year.

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Speaker 3: That's it.

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Speaker 2: In the toughest sport where you have to earn it

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Speaker 2: every single time with the physicality. Do you know that

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Speaker 2: they have not lost a fumble since the first quarter

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Speaker 3: That's wild ball security, think about that. That is nuts.

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Speaker 2: Those are nut stats and the things that you're looking like.

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Speaker 2: I was trying to think somebody put this, and it's

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Speaker 2: actually a pretty good one. Probably pretty close in terms

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Speaker 2: Trent Green gets hurt. Nobody thought anything of that Rams team.

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Speaker 2: Nobody thought and then they won the Super Bowl kind

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Speaker 2: a great super Bowl, by the way, but there's not

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Speaker 2: much for it. I mean, it's it's the most improbable

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Speaker 2: sports accomplishment of my lifetime, Indiana winning a national championship

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Speaker 2: in football and beating the you in Miami, well more impressively,

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Speaker 2: like beating Ohio State Alabama. Yep, they beat maybe the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just crazy, really fun game. And by the way,

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Speaker 2: give the U credit. They fought like Eck could have

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Speaker 3: It was quite interesting. In fact, I thought that perhaps

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Speaker 3: gonna be the number one pick in the NFL draft. Yeah, Warriors,

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Speaker 3: You're like, at least give him a roll out, give

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Speaker 3: like makes pretty good sense because he got the pick

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Speaker 3: and that's that. And how about the fact that the

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Speaker 3: that's true. Where you're going is true with this? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: so that the kid that got the pick is the

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Speaker 3: depending on your perspective, bogus pass interference that allowed Ohio

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Speaker 3: State to win the national championship in two thousand and two. Yes,

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Speaker 3: that's great.

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Speaker 2: Glenn Sharp was the then one then and it was

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Speaker 2: his nephew who did it for Indiana against.

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Speaker 3: The You is that crazy?

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Speaker 2: It's crazy? Now, I mean there's a million of those

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Speaker 3: Me, Mendoza's from Miami was like they've showed the pictures,

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Speaker 3: they're showing to him as a U fan growing mom

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Speaker 3: and dad are both you Miami graduates?

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Speaker 2: Both were athletes at U Miami, both of them. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean it was his dream to play there. They

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Speaker 2: It's funny too, just from a narrative standpoint, there's this

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Speaker 2: narrative while they bought the team, they did this in

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Speaker 2: this well, no they didn't.

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Speaker 3: I mean they did, but they didn't.

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Speaker 2: Like Signetti brought thirty kids from James Madison with him

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Speaker 2: anybody knew who Kurt Signetti was, stood up at a

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Speaker 3: Leave kindly leave. But they were his guys.

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Speaker 2: He believed in him, Like Ponds is a guy who's

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Speaker 2: So the only one that was kind of like, we

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Speaker 2: a guy was Mendoza Mendoza was known.

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Speaker 3: He was at Cal.

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Speaker 2: He was a two star kid out of high school,

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Speaker 2: they're not going to ever be I don't believe they're

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Speaker 2: ever going to be in the conversation as the greatest

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Speaker 2: team in college football history. But I think they are

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Speaker 2: the greatest team in terms of the definition of team,

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Speaker 2: and that is the sum greater or the whole greater

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Speaker 2: than the sum of its parts. They don't have all

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Speaker 2: these first round draft picks. They get a first round

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Speaker 2: number one overall quarterback, and they played together incredibly hard

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Speaker 2: and well and executed, which is so crazy at the end,

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Speaker 2: because they don't do that. They don't false start, they

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Speaker 2: don't do ridiculous roughing the passer penalties and under a

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Speaker 2: minute and a half to go to give fifteen three yards,

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Speaker 2: like that's not what they do. And if Carson Beck

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Speaker 2: doesn't just totally brain fart on a pretty traditional cover

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Speaker 2: like I don't know what he's even looking at there,

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Speaker 2: or what he thought he was looking at I think

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Speaker 2: Miami's getting a hell of a shot at this thing.

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Speaker 2: So great game, great game, certainly fun, Yeah it was.

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Speaker 2: It was awesome.

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Speaker 3: We had a lot of We had again, great football

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Speaker 3: with the exception of one game, or at least dramatic

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Speaker 3: football the exception of one game. It was awesome. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I'm very it's fun like sports that regular season. What's

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Speaker 3: cool about the NFL, honestly, is that because of the

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Speaker 3: way the playoffs work and seeding and all that stuff works,

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Speaker 3: like all these regular season games matter. You do not

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Speaker 3: want one of these regular games come back and bite you. Now,

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Speaker 3: the guy who's played very well under Kevin and played

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Speaker 3: Walt Ye the year. I'm prety sure the Falcons won

439
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Speaker 3: their last four games last year. They did to close

440
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Speaker 3: out the season. A good young defense. They're keeping the

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Speaker 3: defensive coordinator Jeff Ulbrick, who Kevin knows and likes very

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Speaker 3: very much. Kevin Olbrich, by the way, was the one

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Speaker 3: who was the interim head coach for the Jets when

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Speaker 3: they fired Salah. Yeah, that's right. Danny was down there

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Speaker 3: in Atlanta. He was with played for Tarvor, and was

446
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Speaker 3: with Tarvar with the Niners. So he's been He's well known,

447
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Speaker 3: well regarded in league circles. Uh, so they're keeping him.

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Speaker 3: So he's great set up. I said all along, that's

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Speaker 3: where I wanted him to land as a Kevin Stefanski fan,

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Speaker 3: and I think it's a great place for him. And

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Speaker 3: obviously about Bill Callahan now that his son is not coaching,

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Speaker 3: well reunite with him, which Bill Callen saying that, you know,

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Speaker 3: the first job he's going to take after to go

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Speaker 3: right back Kevin's fancy tells you what he thinks of him.

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Speaker 3: M m and uh, And we'll see what what's going

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Speaker 3: on there. But I think it's a great spot for him.

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Speaker 3: I know that my buddies down in Atlanta, where I

458
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Speaker 3: went to college, are all very excited about it, and uh,

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Speaker 3: I certainly wish him well.

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Speaker 2: It's funny one of my my buddy of mine who's

461
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Speaker 2: been a Falcons fan forever, was like like he wasn't

462
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Speaker 2: buying into it. He's like, I don't understand this. I'm like,

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Speaker 2: I think you're gonna like it. I think you're gonna

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Speaker 2: You have to remember, like what Kevin did when we

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Speaker 2: had Chubb and Jarvis and Bake and and Chief Roland

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Speaker 2: and even Hoop was still here at that time, a

467
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Speaker 2: little bit of Odell like you, there was a lot

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Speaker 2: a lot of imagination to our offense and such and

469
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Speaker 2: and I think I think you're gonna be I think

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Speaker 2: he's doing more than find down there. That's the place

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Speaker 2: that you and I said, just knowing him, like, that's

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Speaker 2: the place you'd want him to land. That's your past

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Speaker 2: with the highest chance for success. It's a division that's very,

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Speaker 2: very winnable. It's an ownership, and he's got that relationship

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Speaker 2: with Matt Ryan and so all of that works hand

476
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Speaker 2: in hand. When Ryan became official, he said, well, there

477
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Speaker 2: you go. That's that makes all the sense of the world.

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Speaker 2: And again, I'm sure they wanted John Harbaugh first, but

479
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Speaker 2: he had his eyes set on New York and that

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Speaker 2: happened officially over the weekend as well.

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Speaker 3: I would love the truth Seerum John Harbaugh and and

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Speaker 3: find out if he wishes he had waited to take

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Speaker 3: the Butfalo Bill's opening, if that would be or if

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Speaker 3: they would even be interested in him, because that feels

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Speaker 3: like somebody would get right back at Baltimore with oh yeah,

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Speaker 3: with Buffalo. Yep. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean the idea that those that Buffalo and Baltimore

488
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Speaker 2: are open with MVP quarterbacks in their prime, both of them,

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Speaker 2: yep is pretty wild. Yep, pretty pretty wild. You mentioned

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Speaker 2: Bill Callahan will officially join Kevin down in Atlanta, and

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Speaker 2: apparently Tommy Reese is reportedly expected to head down there

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Speaker 2: as well, So we'll see where all of those things

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Speaker 2: shake out. Some other things in regard to you guys who

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Speaker 2: have been on our staff or still are on our staff,

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Speaker 2: here's the former wide receivers coach pass game coordinator, Chad

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Speaker 2: O'Shea has joined Andy Reid's staff in Kansas City as

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Speaker 2: the Chief's new receiver coach.

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Speaker 3: How long has Chad been here? He's been here since

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Speaker 3: he was preceded. I want to say he's the.

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Speaker 2: Only receiver coach I feel like I know Bye.

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Speaker 3: I know his first name is Anthony, but I'm losing

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Speaker 3: his last name, Anthony Henry, Yeah with Jarvis and Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I remember Anthony Henry. Yeah yeah, and he was their

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Speaker 3: wide receiver coach down at u c LA. Is that

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Speaker 3: the right?

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Speaker 5: It might be?

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Speaker 3: Is that O'Shea came in with the Stephan Vansky. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: so he got here in nineteen yeah, twenty twenty, twenty twenty,

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Speaker 3: right before COVID.

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Speaker 2: Okay, all right, so uh, Chad O'shee goes to Kansas

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Speaker 2: City be the new wide receivers coach there, and then

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Speaker 2: safety coach Adam.

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Speaker 3: Henry, not Anthony, Adam Henry, my bid Anthony Henry is

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Speaker 3: a player, but yeah, he it was. Adam Henry was

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Speaker 3: our receivers coach from eighteen nineteen with Odell with the

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Speaker 3: Giants before that lsu Win Jarvis and odelware Ellis.

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Speaker 2: And then coach Bond, who we've have in here all

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Speaker 2: the time, interviewed for the defensive coordinator job with the

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Speaker 2: Cowboys and the Jets. So that is where you stand

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Speaker 2: on all of that.

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Speaker 3: Do we want to do? I'll tell you what.

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Speaker 2: Let's let's let's put a ribbon on this coaching carouself,

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Speaker 2: because I think we want to talk about these games.

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Speaker 3: What do you got you got let me see here?

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Speaker 3: Give it you tell out here because you guys.

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Speaker 4: Say, we want to get a little break in because

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Speaker 4: Notorious joins us at four point thirty from Buffalo. Okay,

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Speaker 4: I want to get a little bit ahead. Okay, we

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Speaker 4: can come back with a quick carousel update and then okay,

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Speaker 4: and then we could do one thought to round out

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Speaker 4: the hour.

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Speaker 3: I like where your heads at? We'll do that coming

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Speaker 3: up next.

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Speaker 2: jobs still open. We didn't do the McDermott conversation. Let's

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Speaker 2: do that first. Let's start there.

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Speaker 3: Sean McDermot should still be the head coach of the

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Speaker 3: Buffalo Bills. And we can get to the variety of

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Speaker 3: reasons why I believe that, But the biggest one I

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Speaker 3: believe that reason I believe that is because Brandon Cooks

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Speaker 3: caught that football and was touched down, and they should

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Speaker 3: have won the game, and they should be playing this

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Speaker 3: week in New England against the New England Patriots in

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Speaker 3: what would be one of the most anticipated AFC championship

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Speaker 3: and sometime would be so fun. Yep. And they got robbed.

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Speaker 3: I think that they got absolutely robbed. Two things I

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Speaker 3: don't think and you said this before the show, and

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Speaker 3: I've seen some other you know, the officials number one.

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Speaker 3: Three things I wonder I've ever heard of that before.

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Speaker 3: Three things think One that if the guys that are

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Speaker 3: the quote unquote TV refs are never gonna say anything

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Speaker 3: other than supporting and trying to talk to us like

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Speaker 3: we're idiots about the about the call that happens on

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Speaker 3: the field, then get them off. Get them off. It's

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Speaker 3: all they do. They get rid of whatever happens, get

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Speaker 3: rid of them. It's useless. It's like Scotts was texting

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Speaker 3: me and it was basically like at the end of

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Speaker 3: the game that he half expected the ref to come

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Speaker 3: on and be like, well, the Broncos have won this

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Speaker 3: game because they have more points than the Bills. Like

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Speaker 3: that's how dumb some of their commentary is, and how

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Speaker 3: it's not additive at all. They just back whatever is

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Speaker 3: going on on the field, even if it's clearly wrong.

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Speaker 3: It's outrageous, and it didn't used to be that way.

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Speaker 3: I feel like there must have been a mandate at

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Speaker 3: some point to be like, listen, you cannot go against

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Speaker 3: anything that happens here. And I think number one, they

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Speaker 3: got the call completely wrong. Number two, a play that

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Speaker 3: significant and that close. I of course it was close,

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Speaker 3: needs to have some time. So who decided that a

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Speaker 3: guy in New York, one person in New York as

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Speaker 3: they say, no, that's an interception, dog, that's is that

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Speaker 3: how it happened? I don't know. There was no looking

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Speaker 3: at the tablet, There was no thirty eight million angles

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Speaker 3: of replay or anything like that. And I've seen angles

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Speaker 3: where it looks more like an interception. I've seen angles

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Speaker 3: where it looks more like a catch. But to me,

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Speaker 3: this is it's hard enough to play in this in

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Speaker 3: this league. But if you catch the football and are

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Speaker 3: down the ground and touched by a defender, to me

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Speaker 3: that that's where the play is done. They don't get

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Speaker 3: to then as you roll around take the ball out

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Speaker 3: of your hands. And it's very similar to what happened

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Speaker 3: with the Rams. Now DeVante I think had it a

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Speaker 3: second longer before he went to the ground. But those

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00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 3: are two very similar plays. One goes one way, one

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Speaker 3: goes the other way. There isn't great discourse on this.

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Speaker 3: You're getting nothing from the guy that's supposed to be

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Speaker 3: the official that really tells you what's going on, and

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Speaker 3: they won't say, you know, they don't say anything now

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Speaker 3: until it's final and they're like, oh yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 3: Never not going to be like no no anymore, no, no,

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Speaker 3: no no no. But then what's the point of it,

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Speaker 3: Like we don't need you, that will need you there?

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Speaker 2: I think Awful Announcing made this point this morning in

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Speaker 2: regard to the college football analysis that was on last night.

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Speaker 2: It's like if they're just going to co sign everything

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Speaker 2: that's out there, then get rid of them. And furthermore,

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Speaker 2: analysts are relying too heavily on them, yep, versus giving

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Speaker 2: their own opinion because they don't want to be made wrong,

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Speaker 2: made to look a fool by a referee, which I

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Speaker 2: don't think they would be, so to me, yeah, I'm

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Speaker 2: with you, Like, yeah, it's bad.

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Speaker 3: That was bad. It's bad. And Sean McDermott should be

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Speaker 3: the coach of the Bills, yeah, because they should have

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Speaker 3: been at the twenty and they're going to kick a

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Speaker 3: field goal or go in for a touchdown and they

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Speaker 3: win the game. The Denver Broncos should not be playing

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Speaker 3: in this game and the Bills, well, then you get

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Speaker 3: the next part of it, which just which is terrible.

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Speaker 3: Like Josh Allen, she had to go play for the

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Speaker 3: for the Denver Broncos. I think that should be part

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Speaker 3: of it. Like I'd like their chances. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Like honestly, if he had four days to prepare with

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Speaker 2: if he had four days to prepare, yes, and he

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Speaker 2: was playing for a new team with a new offense

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Speaker 2: with Sean Payton, I feel like he'd play very well,

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Speaker 2: one hundred percent.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, Joe Fleckel came off of a couch, that's true,

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Speaker 3: and did it with us. Yeah, no, I think he'd

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Speaker 3: play very well. I also think that the Bills were

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Speaker 3: so much better than the Broncos. I mean they turned

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Speaker 3: it over five times, they lost a turnover margin by

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Speaker 3: four and still should have won the game. Yeah, Josh

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Speaker 3: had four on his own. He did, And what's gonna

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Speaker 3: haunt Josh more than the Cooks one, which is a

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Speaker 3: garbage And again I think that's a catch. In my book,

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Speaker 3: that's catch. And I know you're not supposed to be

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Speaker 3: able to slow the game down. It should be what

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Speaker 3: happens in fast motion. But if you're doing it that way,

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Speaker 3: Morgan never gonna slow it down, then it's still a

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Speaker 3: catch because you don't know when possession changed, you have

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Speaker 3: ty goes to the receiver. I mean, you've had a

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Speaker 3: lot of dbs on online cornerback and Richard Sherman all

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Speaker 3: pro quarnerbacks were like Stunn that that was an interception

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Speaker 3: because it all Tie always goes to the receiver, is

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Speaker 3: how it is. And they're saying it from a grousing perspective,

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Speaker 3: but nonetheless that's just what it is. It's a good throw,

652
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:09,479
Speaker 3: is a good catch, and then a good play by

653
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 3: the dB to take it out of his hands. But

654
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 3: I thought he was down. I thought that's when the

655
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 3: play's over. If a fumble can't happen as soon as

656
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 3: your knee touches the ground and they can't knock it

657
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 3: out even as you're going to the ground, why would

658
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 3: you once it's a catch. It doesn't make any sense. No,

659
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 3: it does not. So that they got jobbed on on

660
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 3: that level. Allen's gonna sit there and it's not gonna

661
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 3: be that play to play that he's gonna is gonna

662
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 3: eat him up, is overthrowing Dawson Knox. He steps up,

663
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 3: it's got a little pressure behind, but he hits us.

664
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 3: X O have touch Hi, We're not even going to overtime. No, no,

665
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 3: And he air mailed airmail. He had him dead. He

666
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 3: missed a throw that he does not usually miss. So

667
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 3: that's why, So take away them losing all right, So

668
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 3: they lose the game. Sean McDermot still should be the

669
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 3: coach there. Guys won ten straight games, seven years in

670
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 3: a row, ten ten or more games, seven years in

671
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 3: a row, seven street seat since No, they've been to

672
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 3: the playoffs and won a playoff game in each of

673
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 3: the last six seasons. No, they haven't gone to the

674
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 3: super Bowl. That's a problem obviously, yep. But I look

675
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 3: at and it's grant and I can't wait to talk

676
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 3: to the notorious Vic later on about this. You look

677
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 3: at the shortcomings of that team, and to me, it's

678
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 3: much more about roster construction than it is about the coach.

679
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 3: We've talked about for weeks, for months, you and I

680
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 3: that this is the worst Bills team that Josh Allen

681
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 3: has had around him in his time there. Yeah, yeah,

682
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 3: we did many times. We've discussed this. Yeah, he's the

683
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 3: best player in the tournament, but this was the worst

684
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 3: supporting cast that he has had in this run. That's

685
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 3: not on the head coach, No, that's on the GM.

686
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 3: And now we're hearing that coach was questioning the roster

687
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 3: and rightfully so. And loses a power struggle to a

688
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 3: guy that's produced two Pro Bowlers and fifty six draft

689
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 3: picks who cannot get Josh Allen competent wide receivers around

690
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 3: him when you have the best quarterback in the league. Crazy, No,

691
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 3: I'm with you, and heals and he's promoted. Now he's

692
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 3: rights the world.

693
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 2: It's a little bit of when the Tampa Bay Bucks

694
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 2: got rid of Dungeee and then they brought in Gruden

695
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 2: then they won it. It's a little bit of that

696
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 2: to it. Well, they hope so, and they hope, they

697
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 2: hope that it is and it better be because it's

698
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 2: a big, big gamble. I would also say this, obviously,

699
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 2: if to me, if Josh Allen wanted Sean McDermott to

700
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 2: coach the Buffalo Bills, he'd still be coaching the Buffalo Bills.

701
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 3: I would have. I think Josh has that much power.

702
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 2: So that tell and by the way, on this to

703
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 2: put a ribbon on this from a Bills perspective, screams

704
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 2: dable to me that that Dave Owl will be the

705
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 2: head coach in Buffalo. That's who Alan likes, he wants

706
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 2: him to run it. I thought Brian actually did a

707
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 2: pretty good job in New York, considering some of their

708
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 2: roster issues that they had. They played hard for him,

709
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 2: seemed to like him. Josh loves him. To me, that

710
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 2: feel well, that's sentorious at four point thirty. But that

711
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 2: screams like so that's arranged. That's what it seems like.

712
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 3: The guy that I keep hearing is Davis Webb, the

713
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 3: former Texas Tech cal quarterback. Yeah who is you know

714
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 3: who his best friend is? I don't, Josh Allen. There

715
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 3: you go. They were the teammates for three years to

716
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 3: the other in Buffalo. I wonder if Dabel could be

717
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,360
Speaker 3: the head coach and he could be the OC. I

718
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 3: think they might. It's a four horsemen situation there, be careful.

719
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 3: They might, they might go with they might go. Davis

720
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 3: Webb is the head coach. Careful with those four horsemen situations, buddy.

721
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 3: They seem good on paper. Yeah, seem good on paper.

722
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 3: The Titans filled, they're opening. Robert Sala will be the

723
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:32,359
Speaker 3: head coach in Tennessee. That was hired and finalized over

724
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 3: the overnight last night.

725
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 4: Literally dropped like they presented the trophy and schefter is like,

726
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 4: now back to our regularly scheduled program.

727
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 3: I like that. I think he's going to give them

728
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 3: a toughness they kind of they had when Vrabel was there.

729
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 3: I think that's what they were going for. Clearly.

730
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 2: I really like I don't know, I don't know him

731
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 2: at all. I really liked him on Hard N I

732
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 2: like him. I think he seems like a very likable guy,

733
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 2: and I want him to have success, and I want

734
00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:59,280
Speaker 2: him to be in a place that gives him success

735
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 2: or where he can achieve success. I would have loved

736
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 2: I wouldn't have loved it because I wouldn't have wanted

737
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 2: to go against him. But like it's just scream Pittsburgh

738
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,360
Speaker 2: or Baltimore. I'm I'm glad he's not. But at the

739
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,840
Speaker 2: same time like for him personally and wishing good things

740
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 2: for him. I think this is a bit of a

741
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 2: tough a tough road got to get sorted.

742
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, obviously you gotta like if you like cam Ward,

743
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,240
Speaker 3: who played, as we talked about, very well down the stretch,

744
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 3: then I think you got something to build on. You

745
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 3: had something to build on, You got some nice pieces

746
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 3: on defense. They were a team that played people much

747
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 3: tougher down the stretch, and cam Ward is that guy.

748
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 3: Now what I'm curious who is his OC what kind

749
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 3: of ties does it have? If any too. Kyle feels

750
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 3: like Mike right, what are they going to do? Because

751
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 3: he had brought Mike Lafleur with him to New York.

752
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:52,360
Speaker 3: It didn't work out though, No, but how much of

753
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 3: that was because they brought in Rogers and sure, you know,

754
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 3: like now he can do it again, and Mike, you

755
00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 3: know have like do that. I mean, that's what it

756
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 3: screams to me. Giants hired. John Harbaugh talked about that

757
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:05,240
Speaker 3: briefly in the first segment. That's the easy, no brainer.

758
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 3: I get that from both sides. I get him the

759
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 3: affection of wanting to coach the Giants. I understand that

760
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:14,359
Speaker 3: completely historic, iconic franchise, and I understand it from their

761
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 3: perspective to get the guy who's the surest thing out

762
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:18,840
Speaker 3: here in all of this. So I get that, and

763
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 3: I think they're going to be They could be contenders

764
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 3: pretty quick if you like Dart, because everything else there

765
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:25,840
Speaker 3: is starting to line up pretty well.

766
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 2: From their perspective. We talked about Kevin earlier and then

767
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 2: also yesterday. Jeff Athlee, former Buckeye. He was here then

768
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:34,720
Speaker 2: he was a Buckeye defensive coordinator, then went to Boston College.

769
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 2: P were like, wait a second, you went from head

770
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 2: coach at Boston College to defensive coordinator.

771
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 3: With the Packers. What are you trying to do?

772
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 2: Well, what he was trying to do is get the

773
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,720
Speaker 2: hell out of college football and get himself to the NFL.

774
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 2: Their defense wasn't great this year, but he's an incredible

775
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 2: people person. Talk to him a bunch. I'm sure you

776
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 2: talked to him when he was here.

777
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 3: I get it.

778
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 2: He's another one that I thought Pittsburgh to me that

779
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 2: felt like, I'm glad it's not me too, but it

780
00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 2: felt like him and Pittsburgh would be a nice match.

781
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:01,879
Speaker 3: I think I wonder if Anthony Weavers in the really

782
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 3: in the mix there with with the Ravens. He feels

783
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 3: like he would be a good fit for them. I

784
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:08,879
Speaker 3: know Jesse Minner certainly will be probably in the mix

785
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 3: for them as well. But yeah, I like Halfley is

786
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:15,839
Speaker 3: a great guy. Again, the guy that I really liked

787
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 3: in his time here, somebody I stayed in touch with.

788
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 3: It's interesting this coaching search. There's a lot of people

789
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 3: that I've had that have come through here or that

790
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 3: we've known or that we've talked to or you know,

791
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 3: cross paths with over the course of their careers, which

792
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 3: is kind of wild.

793
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 2: We talked to Tyvus on Thursday and like he because

794
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 2: he has the same connections and that he was with

795
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 2: Seattle and San Francisco, and then he was also with Buckeyes,

796
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 2: and so between all of that, like all of these

797
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:43,840
Speaker 2: guys touch those worlds, then you add in the Browns

798
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 2: world that they've all touched. There's so many familiar faces.

799
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 2: Give you a run through the Steelers, Ravens, Cardinals and Raiders.

800
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 2: Steelers so far have interviewed They're interviewing Brian Flores today,

801
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 2: ex Cowboys head coach Mike McCarthy. On Wednesday, virtual interviews

802
00:37:56,280 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 2: with Panthers defensive coordinator Heroo Klay Kubiak, forty nine Ers

803
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 2: offensive coordinator, Chargers DC, Jesse Mintter, Packer Or, Rams pass

804
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 2: game coordinator Nathan Schielhouse, Rams defensive coordinator Chris Shula, and

805
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 2: Dolphins d C Anthony Weaver. And then for the Baltimore Ravens,

806
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 2: it's Joe Brady of the Bills, the offensive coordinator there

807
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:21,959
Speaker 2: Selhouse again, Shula again, Mike McDaniel, Jesse Mintter, and Jim

808
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 2: Schwartz for their opening in Arizona. Completed the interviews with

809
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:29,720
Speaker 2: Jesse Mintor, Matt Nagy, Vance, Joseph Clint, Kubiak, Mike Lafloor,

810
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 2: and Falcons ex Falconsia coach Raheem Morrison, and finally with

811
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:37,880
Speaker 2: the Raiders. They have done Mike McDaniel, Jesse Minner, Matt Naggy,

812
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 2: Nathan Schielhouse Vance, Joseph Clint, Kyack, Mike, They've been talk

813
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 2: to everybody, Chris Shula, Davis Webb and requested interviews with

814
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 2: Clay Kubiak and Joe Brady. So there is the list

815
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 2: of so many of these names just being duplicated.

816
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 3: Leave you interview for one you don't? I feel like,

817
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 3: do you think it's interesting though you mentioned Dabole and

818
00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 3: the and the Bills. Obviously the relationship with Josh Allen,

819
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 3: that'll make sense, But do you think it's interesting that

820
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 3: he has he interviewed anywhere? Like? I didn't hear his

821
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 3: name and maybe I missed it, But has he maybe

822
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 3: one that was already been filled? Has he interviewed for

823
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 3: one of the ones.

824
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 4: In maybe I think Dave Ball was interviewing for the

825
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 4: Eagles host seed job, but there was nothing mentioned about

826
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 4: a head coach.

827
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:21,799
Speaker 3: I know Ohio State.

828
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:24,360
Speaker 2: I don't not that they interviewed him, but I know

829
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:25,799
Speaker 2: that they have an interest that there would be an

830
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 2: interest in him should he not get a job in

831
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 2: this situation. Yeah, that's just be connecting dots just going

832
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 2: like if you're to guess who would be the head

833
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 2: coach in Buffalo, that makes all the sense of the world,

834
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 2: considering how much Josh loved him and all of that,

835
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:39,720
Speaker 2: and the fact that he'd been a head coach before.

836
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 2: And this is something else, like, we don't there's no

837
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 2: real precedent for this. No, ten openings is a lot

838
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 2: twenty two. There were ten and twenty two, believe it

839
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 2: or not. What's that openings?

840
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 5: Ten? Right?

841
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 2: But here's the part that this is the part that's unpresent.

842
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 2: Two Super Bowl contenders, two MVP quarterbacks in their prime,

843
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 2: never have had that, I Reckolle. We were racking our

844
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:03,400
Speaker 2: brain trying to find one. Best we could come up

845
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 2: with was like Schottenheimer with Philip Rivers after going fourteen

846
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 2: and two. There was a change of power in Indianapolis

847
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 2: from Dungee to Caldwell, but that was a kind of

848
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 2: a coach in waiting thing. There's no scenario that I

849
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:17,360
Speaker 2: can think of where an MVP quarterback in his prime

850
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 2: has a coach fired and is now an open job.

851
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 2: And there's two of them, should be three of them.

852
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 2: If the Bengals got rid of Zach Taylor somehow Zach

853
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:29,919
Speaker 2: Taylor is taught to folks down there and they're like, wait,

854
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:30,760
Speaker 2: he gets to stay.

855
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 3: That's what I saw. The thing with all of these

856
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 3: other people, I saw something that somebody can maybe the

857
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 3: youngsters can fact check us, but again I saw this.

858
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 3: The only two coaches in the entirety of the AFC

859
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 3: that were coaching that are coaches for their team today,

860
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 3: that were coaches for their team in the year twenty

861
00:40:52,640 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 3: twenty two are Andy Reid and Zach Taylor. Wow, So

862
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 3: our division nope.

863
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 5: No.

864
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 3: The AFC East Miami nope, Buffalo nope, New England nope,

865
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,399
Speaker 3: Jets nope. So that's a clean sweep there. Go down

866
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:14,839
Speaker 3: to the South, Tennessee nope, Jacksonville nope, Houston Nope. When

867
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 3: did he get there? He's been there three years, so

868
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,439
Speaker 3: he be three twenty four five? And DeMeco Ryants nope

869
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 3: and Indie Nope. And then the West read yes, Harbaugh no,

870
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 3: Sean Payton No. Is only what a second season that

871
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 3: Raiders and the Raiders know that's graz since twenty twenty two.

872
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:33,919
Speaker 3: And yet you see the details in these contracts. Five years,

873
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 3: one hundred million, five years five million, that's all guaranteed money.

874
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 5: I know, this is not no.

875
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 2: I know, it's like coaches in college all of a sudden,

876
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:44,840
Speaker 2: like these type of numbers typically didn't happen in the NFL. No,

877
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 2: not like this type of guaranteed money over that long

878
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 2: of a term like that. That that's a different that's

879
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,840
Speaker 2: a change. We hadn't seen that. That's what happens in college.

880
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 2: College coaches get money like that, seven years, one hundred

881
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 2: and forty million or you know, one hundred and ten

882
00:41:57,960 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 2: million whatever. Like you see that in college all the time.

883
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 2: You don't see that in the pros very often. Five

884
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 2: years one hundred million for John Harbaugh, five for seventy

885
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 2: five for Kevin I mean, you just you don't see that.

886
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 2: This is all new to me, you guys, maybe you

887
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 2: remember it differently. I don't remember ever seeing this with

888
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 2: every be getting a five year deal. It's no, it's

889
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 2: it's always a three or four. Yeah, five is pretty crazy.

890
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 3: Yeah. So that's that's new stuff there.

891
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 2: And as we mentioned, Brown's quarterback coach and Cardinals, a

892
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 2: former Browns quarterback coach and former Cardinals office Cordinat Drew

893
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 2: Petsing has taken the offensive coordinator job with the Detroit Lions.

894
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 3: We'll do. Go ahead, Gibbe, you.

895
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 4: Have I thought that was interesting because I know that

896
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 4: Detroit wanted to interview Mike McDaniel about that.

897
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:45,399
Speaker 2: So yeah, we talked about that. I mean I get

898
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 2: that from like like, I don't know how Mike would

899
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 2: work with Dan. I think I know how Drew would

900
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 2: work with Dan.

901
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:54,320
Speaker 3: I think I get that.

902
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:59,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, that personality wise makes some sense. All right, we'll

903
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 2: go one thought around the divisional weekend. Coming up next

904
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:04,600
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905
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906
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Speaker 1: responsibly all right, Time for one thought on every game

910
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:59,240
Speaker 1: in the divisional weekend. Hello, Gibbe, Hi, how are you fine?

911
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 3: Thank you? Fantastic nice and balmy Palm trees coronas Pool.

912
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 2: My dad said, it's been like forties and fifties for

913
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 2: the whole for like a month, and some friends of

914
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:12,759
Speaker 2: ours and we're going where they had booked like a

915
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:14,320
Speaker 2: trip to Park City to ski.

916
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:15,240
Speaker 3: Over the holidays.

917
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:17,800
Speaker 2: There's there was and there was no snow like it

918
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 2: had man made snow.

919
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 4: There was no snow the the Broncos game. There's plenty

920
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:27,800
Speaker 4: here against the Broncos Bills game on Sunday, Yeah, Saturday,

921
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 4: Saturday night. Yeah, was the first game under fifty degrees

922
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 4: in Denver this year. Yeah, I mean it's just like

923
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 4: it swaved played fifties and above.

924
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 3: I'm like, what us be nice? Must be nice. We're

925
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 3: deep freeze man. Yeah, we've been there for a couple

926
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 3: of cold, cold nights. Yeah, we have the Seerling. I

927
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 3: want it. You could use it. Use it, yeah, really

928
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 3: use it. My Russian hat that I have that is

929
00:44:57,840 --> 00:44:59,840
Speaker 3: literally from Russia. Looks like a spies like us. That

930
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 3: is the warmest hat where now the grocery all time

931
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 3: get great looks great compliments as the single warmest hat

932
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 3: I've ever I showed it to you, didn't I you

933
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 3: wore it in here.

934
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 2: I have a picture of you, oh worn, I have

935
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:14,840
Speaker 2: a picture of you in that hat with the macha

936
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 2: that yes for robe you have watched striding in here.

937
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:21,840
Speaker 3: I've got that whole John Morrison, Yeah, we've got that

938
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 3: whole get up.

939
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 4: Time for one thought from divisional play in the National

940
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 4: Football League to Saturday we go. We've talked a lot

941
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 4: about this game already, but let's actually talk about the

942
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 4: game itself. One thought Broncos thirty three bills thirty over

943
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 4: time is.

944
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 3: What it took bo Bishop. One thought from you.

945
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:44,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, we talked about the call at the end. There

946
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 2: were others that Josh would want to have back. This

947
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 2: was his kind of tournament to go win. It didn't happen.

948
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:53,319
Speaker 2: Did they have the supporting cast? Sorry, he didn't want

949
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 2: to hear it all. We all picked him to go

950
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 2: there to do it, and they despite it all and

951
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 2: they couldn't. And we even said, there's going to come

952
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 2: a drive I did, there's gonna become a driver where

953
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 2: he's I knew he was gonna be a close game.

954
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 2: He's gonna have the ball in his hand, go win it,

955
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 2: and I think he will and he couldn't. And so

956
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 2: that's that's part of it.

957
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:08,479
Speaker 3: It sucks.

958
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 2: It was a little bit taken away, fine, whatever, but

959
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 2: he still had three other turnovers. Dude, he had four

960
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 2: turnovers in the game. Like the last one's a big one,

961
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:17,319
Speaker 2: but he had three others in the game, like.

962
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 3: The one at the end of the first half. If

963
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 3: they don't do that drive at the end of the

964
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 3: games for a goal wins it. Yeah, so it was.

965
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 3: That's what it's going to be remembered most for.

966
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:25,800
Speaker 2: The thing that really sucks is Bonix with a broken

967
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 2: ankle essentially gives New England what I know that they'll

968
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 2: get stit him ready, but how ready can he possibly be?

969
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 3: Which sucks. It's a bummer bone. Next play pretty well

970
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 3: in this game made some nice throws. You hate that,

971
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:38,399
Speaker 3: you know, a game ends been on back to back

972
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:41,359
Speaker 3: basically pass interference penalties under those circumstances. But if it's

973
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 3: passing interference, it's pass interference. Yeah, that was it was,

974
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 3: you know, to lead them down with a minute to go,

975
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:53,719
Speaker 3: get the fifty yard field goal, and then you think

976
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 3: he's going to lead them down in overtime and it

977
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 3: was going to kind of erase all of the ills

978
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 3: of earlier. Now, one thing I would say in his

979
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 3: defense is that with four minutes ago in the game,

980
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 3: you're up twenty seven to twenty three and your defense

981
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 3: is on the field.

982
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:10,959
Speaker 2: Well, and that's part of the reason that I wonder

983
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 2: if Sean McVay was fired too, because if you look

984
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 2: at it's his defenses, yeah, and Sean McDermott rather And

985
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:18,400
Speaker 2: if you look at his defenses and you look at

986
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 2: their performances in playoff games this whole stretch, they routinely

987
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:24,240
Speaker 2: give up twenty eight, thirty thirty. You know they're playing

988
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 2: good teams, but like this Broncos team isn't a great

989
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:26,919
Speaker 2: offensive team.

990
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 3: No, they gave up thirty three yep.

991
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 5: Up.

992
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 4: Next the nightcap and maybe the worst game of the

993
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 4: entire playoffs, Seahawks from the get go had the foot

994
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:42,880
Speaker 4: on the gas. It was never took it off. Seahawks

995
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 4: forty one, Niners six Zagora Rashid Cheet.

996
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 3: It was over. They did not need to score another

997
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 3: point from that. And I remember going back and saying

998
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 3: that trade was a big deal. Now they didn't even

999
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:55,320
Speaker 3: throw a pass to him. Are they threw two target?

1000
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:56,839
Speaker 3: He didn't catch a pass. I'm sorry in this game

1001
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 3: they didn't really throw it match either. It's seventeen times

1002
00:47:58,719 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 3: in the whole game. That's all they had to do.

1003
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 3: But he has multiple return touchdowns for them. He has

1004
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 3: been huge for them. I'm sad that nobody drafted Kenneth

1005
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 3: Walker in our fantasy draft. That would have pretty a

1006
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 3: pretty nice one first, especially one of the for the

1007
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 3: three in that room right there, who are right now

1008
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 3: fight fist, fight for lunch, for the right to buy

1009
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 3: us lunch, which is gonna be great. We have actually

1010
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:25,759
Speaker 3: we have some alternative ideas. We'll see what we can

1011
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 3: see if we can. We Bo and I have some

1012
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 3: alternative ideas. Disdisappointing. Gross. This is the game I was

1013
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:33,759
Speaker 3: the most excited to watch. Had a nice bowl and

1014
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:36,760
Speaker 3: yet's courtesy of l Diz down there and Benita Springs

1015
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 3: and weird bottle of wine. We had some stone Crab

1016
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:43,359
Speaker 3: and we were just living the good life getting ready

1017
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 3: for this game. And then it was over after one.

1018
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:47,360
Speaker 3: It was over in two seconds. And it was just obvious.

1019
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:51,319
Speaker 3: They were faster, bigger, stronger, faster, better.

1020
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 1: It was.

1021
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 3: It was obnoxious. Pretty struggled in this one too, I

1022
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:56,400
Speaker 3: mean they just couldn't get anything come block form and

1023
00:48:56,400 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 3: they had no receivers, I mean, no kittle. Pierceau was

1024
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:03,799
Speaker 3: clearly not himself in this game. I mean yeah, Brandon

1025
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 3: Ayuku just decided to quit on the team, which is

1026
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:06,879
Speaker 3: still one of the craziest stories.

1027
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 5: Really.

1028
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 3: Nobody really talked about it much. Yeah. Yeah, they had

1029
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:13,400
Speaker 3: nothing to do. McCaffrey gets banged up. I mean, the

1030
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 3: fact that they got here is one of the great

1031
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 3: coaching jobs because they are without. Like I said, if

1032
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 3: you would have had, you know, the five principal players

1033
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 3: of the Niners on a poster, it would probably be McCaffrey, Purty, Kittle, Kittle, Bosa,

1034
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:31,360
Speaker 3: Fred Warner, Warner out for the year, Bosa out for

1035
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 3: the year since Week three, Kittle out for the year,

1036
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:34,880
Speaker 3: and missed a ton of time during the season in

1037
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 3: pretty mistake games, I mean, and they still won double

1038
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:40,840
Speaker 3: digit games and made it to the final four or

1039
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:42,360
Speaker 3: the Elite eight, depending on how you look at the

1040
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:43,840
Speaker 3: final four in their conference. The elite eight in the

1041
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 3: league is incredible. And to do it in the division

1042
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:48,279
Speaker 3: in which they did it with the Rams in the

1043
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 3: Seahawks who are now the final two win the NFC

1044
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:51,879
Speaker 3: in the NFC.

1045
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 4: Anything more from you men, just to think that pretty

1046
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 4: much covers it. Yeah, there we go, we go to Sunday, Patriots.

1047
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:03,320
Speaker 4: This one was not great either, Let's be honest. Patriots

1048
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:07,719
Speaker 4: twenty eight, Texans sixteen. By the way, I don't know

1049
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:12,239
Speaker 4: if y'all heard about this. I would have the most

1050
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:16,399
Speaker 4: epic Zigura meltdown travel wise.

1051
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:20,360
Speaker 3: Did you hear about this? With Houston?

1052
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 4: Game ended at six fifteen, It took him forever to

1053
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:27,279
Speaker 4: get back to Providence to fly out because of the

1054
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 4: weather de icing everything. It took almost four or five

1055
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 4: hours flying back somehow, And they're not saying what happened.

1056
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:42,239
Speaker 4: The plane was diverted, they had to stop somewhere, everybody sat.

1057
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 4: Plane finally takes off. They landed at about seven fifty

1058
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:48,479
Speaker 4: five am Monday morning.

1059
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 3: Oh my god, come on, I'm not kidding. That really happened. Yeah,

1060
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 3: that would have been.

1061
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:57,759
Speaker 4: That would be, especially after losing, and you got to

1062
00:50:57,800 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 4: sit and look at CJ. Stroud, who can't play out

1063
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:00,759
Speaker 4: side of a dome.

1064
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 3: He's terrible.

1065
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 2: Struggles man struggled, he was, He's been terrible. I would

1066
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 2: have made the switch.

1067
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 3: I wouldn't have. I wouldn't have ran him out in

1068
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:09,320
Speaker 3: the second half, and he's your franchise quarterback. I just

1069
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:11,440
Speaker 3: wouldn't have. I would have ran the other kid out there.

1070
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 3: They had success with him early.

1071
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 2: Davis Mills name, Yeah, I would have. I would have

1072
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 2: brought him out there. I think, you know he feels

1073
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 2: a little broken obviously, obviously you want to do the

1074
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:23,719
Speaker 2: thing with perty with no protection, can't protect him, no

1075
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 2: one to throw to, the same thing applies here.

1076
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 3: They don't have anybody to throw to. They don't have

1077
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:27,760
Speaker 3: anybody to protect.

1078
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:29,759
Speaker 2: But there are certain things that I think that have

1079
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:31,839
Speaker 2: happened over the last couple of years for him where

1080
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 2: to me, he feels like he needs kind of quarterback rehab,

1081
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:37,040
Speaker 2: like the talents all there obviously, Like he needs to

1082
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:39,319
Speaker 2: go somewhere where someone is going to try to find

1083
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 2: that way back with him. And the crazy thing is

1084
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 2: is like this year, the majority so he's nineteen touchdowns,

1085
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 2: eight picks, The majority of the PIXI threw this year

1086
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 2: were to playoff against playoff teams, So like he's feasting

1087
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:55,440
Speaker 2: on bad teams. But there's some real dogs in this one.

1088
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 2: And the way he played in the two playoff games

1089
00:51:57,160 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 2: was just dreadful. Dreadful the last time.

1090
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 3: He threw for two hundred and and he only threw

1091
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 3: for more than two hundred and fifty yards in two

1092
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:10,320
Speaker 3: six seven in one of his last seven games this season.

1093
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 3: He only did it in the entire season. Three times.

1094
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:15,719
Speaker 3: He threw for two sixty one, two seventy six ons

1095
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 3: and three eighteen oness those only games over two hundred

1096
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:21,960
Speaker 3: fifty yards that he has and it's wild. And then

1097
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 3: you look at the last four games of the season,

1098
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 3: he threw five touchdowns and seven picks. Not to mention

1099
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:29,880
Speaker 3: he's fumbled the ball. I mean he fumbled a billion

1100
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 3: times against the Steelers as well. He looks broken. And

1101
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:37,279
Speaker 3: what's weird is you're hearing or reading a lot of

1102
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 3: things about off season CJ. Shroud that are not flattering that.

1103
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 3: Like I think after his rookie season, you know, remember

1104
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:46,839
Speaker 3: when he gave that patronizing like stick with it dog

1105
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:49,320
Speaker 3: to Caleb Williams. Yeah, you remember that, like early in

1106
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:50,880
Speaker 3: a second season. I don't think it was patriots. I

1107
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:51,719
Speaker 3: think it was well meaning.

1108
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:55,759
Speaker 2: It seemed pretty He's not a patriotizing kid. Yeah, but

1109
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:57,320
Speaker 2: I don't know that that was That was not the

1110
00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:01,279
Speaker 2: intent from him, Like he probably like that. I don't

1111
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:04,920
Speaker 2: buy that that that's that he was patronizing him and

1112
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 2: came across as patronizing.

1113
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:09,239
Speaker 3: I think that's fair. I think let me rephrase it then,

1114
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:11,560
Speaker 3: not patronizing of Caleb Willms. He was acting like he

1115
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 3: was Patrick Mahomes giving it two a fair to to

1116
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:17,719
Speaker 3: affair up, like, stick with it and you'll get on

1117
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:19,759
Speaker 3: my level. Yeah, you know what I mean. That's not

1118
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 3: He wasn't belittling Caleb. He is the wrong word. He

1119
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 3: was just acting like he had been. He was cemented

1120
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 3: in the upper echelon and there's a lot of talk

1121
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:29,399
Speaker 3: about that in the office. He's not doing the things

1122
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:31,440
Speaker 3: that are needed to be done to be an elite quarterback.

1123
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:35,760
Speaker 3: And it's it's pretty plain his day. I mean basically

1124
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:36,760
Speaker 3: basically Nico.

1125
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:39,319
Speaker 2: Collins who didn't play in this game, who did not play,

1126
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:41,719
Speaker 2: so there's no weapons there either. Like they've done a

1127
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:44,200
Speaker 2: disservice on the offensive front too. It's a bad spot,

1128
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 2: and they wasted a legit defense, really wasted a legit defense.

1129
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:57,640
Speaker 3: Meantime, Brabel Frabel's said Keishan Boutet, that catch under those circumstances,

1130
00:53:57,680 --> 00:54:00,320
Speaker 3: in those conditions was nuts. Beat Stingley, one of the

1131
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:02,719
Speaker 3: better corners in the league. One hands it in the

1132
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 3: end zone for really, what was the knockout blow in

1133
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 3: this game was incredible. It really was incredible final one

1134
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:15,960
Speaker 3: and it was worth it was worth waiting for Rams

1135
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 3: twenty Bears seventeen and overtimes A girl one real quick.

1136
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:26,360
Speaker 2: You're listening to eight to fifty wkn R, ESPN Cleveland

1137
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:27,520
Speaker 2: a good Karma brand station.

1138
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 3: Indeed all right. Caleb Williams has two of the greatest

1139
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:38,359
Speaker 3: fourth down plays in recent memory in two playoff games.

1140
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 3: That last one where he sprints backwards throws it from

1141
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:45,560
Speaker 3: the forty falling back after literally sprinting backwards to the

1142
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:49,279
Speaker 3: forty fifty yards in the air. Thirteen throws it from

1143
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:52,719
Speaker 3: the forty fifty one yards in the air effortlessly. These

1144
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 3: guys got all the arm talent in the world. I

1145
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:57,320
Speaker 3: think as he continues to improve as a quarterback, he

1146
00:54:57,520 --> 00:55:01,640
Speaker 3: is going to be sensational. I thought Ben Johnson coat,

1147
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:05,080
Speaker 3: I thought he he got real tight. You go down

1148
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:06,879
Speaker 3: to the goal line at the in the one when

1149
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 3: say they don't take the field goal, you go four downs.

1150
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 3: He goes run, run, run, not even a single play

1151
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:13,920
Speaker 3: action run run run pass that had no chance against

1152
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:15,920
Speaker 3: the defensive look that they got. I thought it was

1153
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:18,279
Speaker 3: not a great Ben Johnson game. I thought it was

1154
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:21,520
Speaker 3: not really a great Rams game either. No, but they

1155
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 3: did what they had to do. The throw to the

1156
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:25,000
Speaker 3: out to DeVante Adams who only had two cats for

1157
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:26,880
Speaker 3: twenty four yards was incredible. Do you see that one

1158
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:29,560
Speaker 3: from behind? Yeah, it's nuts. It doesn't make sense. He's

1159
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:31,759
Speaker 3: his head's kind of over here and he like it's

1160
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 3: nobody there that oh far, rope on a rope. And

1161
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:38,960
Speaker 3: then I think there's going to be a lot made,

1162
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:42,239
Speaker 3: and justifiably so, about DJ Moore's effort on the game

1163
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:45,240
Speaker 3: ending interception. Chris collins Worth put him in a body

1164
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:47,880
Speaker 3: bag at the end of the game. Did you see this, Yeah, I.

1165
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:51,319
Speaker 2: Mean it probably deservedly so, but like he put DJ

1166
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:53,439
Speaker 2: Moore in a body bag, A lot of people have Yeah,

1167
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:55,239
Speaker 2: I mean, listen, you may do it in real time.

1168
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:56,920
Speaker 2: A lot of people give the PFF. Guys insure the

1169
00:55:56,960 --> 00:55:59,440
Speaker 2: next day he did it in real time. It was

1170
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:02,160
Speaker 2: the last they showed before they went to the postgame show.

1171
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:04,840
Speaker 2: Was DJ Moore's effort on it, and Collinsworth kept hammering it,

1172
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:08,240
Speaker 2: and I was like, wow, he is body bag.

1173
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:11,800
Speaker 3: Yeah and justified, And you wonder how if that severs

1174
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:14,640
Speaker 3: his relationship in Chicago. I mean, if you can't give

1175
00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:18,080
Speaker 3: max effort and the whole route wasn't run with no

1176
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:19,920
Speaker 3: he's kind of jogged all the way through it. The

1177
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:22,440
Speaker 3: other thing about it is you're twelve yards out of

1178
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:23,960
Speaker 3: field goal range. And I go back to kind of

1179
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:27,719
Speaker 3: the Ben Johnson is do you need necessary to be

1180
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:31,719
Speaker 3: running a route combination that's that deep where you've got

1181
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:33,719
Speaker 3: the vertical up the middle for Adunza and then you've

1182
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:36,000
Speaker 3: got the deep over from Dj Moore who ran it

1183
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:37,920
Speaker 3: as he felt the way he ran that route is

1184
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:39,719
Speaker 3: that he thought there was zero percent chance that ball

1185
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:42,239
Speaker 3: would ever go Yeah, and you can't. You can't do

1186
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:44,279
Speaker 3: that at that stage of the game. Now, Caleb's got

1187
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:47,120
Speaker 3: to be smarter. If it's not there, you don't throw it. Now.

1188
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:49,120
Speaker 3: Did he think he would cross the face of that defender?

1189
00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:51,279
Speaker 3: And actually that could have worked out, obviously he did,

1190
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:54,319
Speaker 3: But they didn't need that right there. They just needed

1191
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:55,920
Speaker 3: to keep kind of moving the ball up and get

1192
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:57,759
Speaker 3: you know, another ten or twelve yards and they're in

1193
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:01,719
Speaker 3: field goal range. That just devastating the emotions. And I know,

1194
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:03,480
Speaker 3: obviously a lot of people who are Bears fans, the

1195
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:07,880
Speaker 3: emotions from the most improbable fourth down touchdown. I mean,

1196
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 3: I'm sure there are some that I have to that

1197
00:57:11,239 --> 00:57:13,399
Speaker 3: I'm just escaping my mind right now. You know, hell,

1198
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 3: Mary's and stuff like that. But we're talking about sprinting.

1199
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:18,160
Speaker 3: The play looks dead dead.

1200
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:18,520
Speaker 6: Well.

1201
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:21,040
Speaker 2: It was also like everything that he did in college

1202
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 2: that was held against him. Yeah, the drifting, like he

1203
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 2: just e didn't drift. He sprinted backwards and then just

1204
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:29,880
Speaker 2: threw it off his back foot as he let go.

1205
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:32,120
Speaker 2: I just thought, well, that's picked. I mean, there's no

1206
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:34,960
Speaker 2: way that that's ever gonna make it anywhere nearer where

1207
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 2: there's a receiver in the vicinity. The other thing I

1208
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:40,240
Speaker 2: thought about with it, and I thought about this Sunday.

1209
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 2: I watched that game the closest of.

1210
00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:41,920
Speaker 3: All of me.

1211
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:43,720
Speaker 2: It was a game I was most into. I'm curious

1212
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 2: what the numbers will be because it was so entertaining.

1213
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:47,280
Speaker 3: It was so good.

1214
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 2: Massive cities, big brands, all of it. Bears have a

1215
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 2: massive national following. Do you remember you remember the Michael

1216
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:59,680
Speaker 2: Jordans switch arms layup against the Lakers in the I remember, yeah,

1217
00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:01,240
Speaker 2: I guess it was right then it was still left.

1218
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:05,560
Speaker 2: That happened in Game two of the finals. Okay, so

1219
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:08,760
Speaker 2: the Lakers won ninety one. Lakers won Game one ninety

1220
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:10,880
Speaker 2: three to ninety one, if I remember correctly, and then

1221
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 2: they lose that play actually happens in Game two. That

1222
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:18,960
Speaker 2: play became one of the signature images of NBA promotions

1223
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 2: for the next ten to fifteen years. You would see

1224
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:23,680
Speaker 2: it in every NBA hype video. You'd see it. I'm

1225
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:25,960
Speaker 2: pretty sure it's in a Gatorade commercial, probably Nike two.

1226
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:30,200
Speaker 2: Like it was everywhere for fifteen years. It doesn't happen

1227
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:32,920
Speaker 2: if the Bulls don't win the damn series. Yep, they

1228
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:35,640
Speaker 2: won the series. So it's an iconic play. The Caleb

1229
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:38,800
Speaker 2: Williams throw is an iconic play that is going to

1230
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:42,000
Speaker 2: be forgotten, and it will be because they lost the game.

1231
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:46,320
Speaker 2: The winners get to write the history, and so that game,

1232
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:49,080
Speaker 2: that play, if you watched it live, you're going to

1233
00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 2: be like, good lord, do you remember that play? But

1234
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:53,160
Speaker 2: you're not going to see it on NFL promotions. You're

1235
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:54,919
Speaker 2: not going to see it because they lost the damn game.

1236
00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:56,880
Speaker 2: And I just felt sick for that because it was

1237
00:58:56,920 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 2: a play. You just I've never seen it before, Like

1238
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:01,440
Speaker 2: it was one of the rare instances where Collins were

1239
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:04,360
Speaker 2: superbole was justified, and I was on board with it.

1240
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:07,479
Speaker 2: You're right, I've never seen anybody attempt to do something

1241
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:09,800
Speaker 2: like that and have it work. The only player I've

1242
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:11,960
Speaker 2: ever seen who could even begin to do that is Mahomes.

1243
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:15,240
Speaker 2: He had plays some plays like that. He had that

1244
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:17,080
Speaker 2: kind of arm talent. I don't know if he does anymore,

1245
00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:20,680
Speaker 2: but he used to. I just don't even understand, like physically,

1246
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:22,320
Speaker 2: how he got it there. I don't understand how the

1247
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:25,040
Speaker 2: ball got there. It looked like the receiver, the defensive

1248
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:28,440
Speaker 2: back rather for the rams believed that the ball was

1249
00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:31,280
Speaker 2: going to not get there, like they were hand fighting,

1250
00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:33,280
Speaker 2: for sure, but like it was almost like he thought

1251
00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:34,680
Speaker 2: it was gonna come up short, and then it just

1252
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:36,640
Speaker 2: sailed over his head to Comet.

1253
00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:41,160
Speaker 3: It was stunning ease with which the ball got to

1254
00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:45,080
Speaker 3: call Comet that he was basically uncovered from fifty one

1255
00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:48,280
Speaker 3: yards falling backwards. It's insane. His talent's insane, and go

1256
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:51,080
Speaker 3: back go the week before the fourth down play against

1257
00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:52,880
Speaker 3: Green Bay is as good at throws you'll ever see.

1258
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:55,680
Speaker 3: Sprinting left, he's basically in the Jordan Posen. Somehow layers

1259
00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:58,080
Speaker 3: at forty yards over two defenders in front of another one.

1260
00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:00,840
Speaker 3: I mean, it's a shame, and he he is tantalizing.

1261
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:04,040
Speaker 3: I got a buddy, the great mo Nation, who is

1262
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:06,480
Speaker 3: you can't stand watching capable because you know he has

1263
01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:09,120
Speaker 3: a talent to do everything, but he also still you know,

1264
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:11,600
Speaker 3: misses easy reads and the layups aren't layups, and all

1265
01:00:11,600 --> 01:00:14,720
Speaker 3: of those things. Have patience, brothers. That's what I said.

1266
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:17,440
Speaker 3: I said, Look, his improvement from year one to year

1267
01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:20,760
Speaker 3: two was incredible, and he has all the talent to

1268
01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:23,760
Speaker 3: be as good as anybody in the game. Yes, yes,

1269
01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:25,880
Speaker 3: all of it. And I think that there go. I

1270
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:28,400
Speaker 3: think they're not going to be able to have the

1271
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:30,760
Speaker 3: luck they had, but I think maybe next year they'll

1272
01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:33,200
Speaker 3: just be a good team that doesn't have to have

1273
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:35,200
Speaker 3: all these comebacks and crazy wins.

1274
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:37,600
Speaker 2: You're one with Ben Johnson, you just tired him as

1275
01:00:37,640 --> 01:00:38,080
Speaker 2: a rookie.

1276
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:39,200
Speaker 3: Yep, yep.

1277
01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:41,840
Speaker 2: Now you get an offensive genius who's calling place for you,

1278
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:43,480
Speaker 2: developing you like, look what happened.

1279
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:44,960
Speaker 3: By the way, how about that.

1280
01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:47,960
Speaker 2: Draft quarterbacks one, two, three, All three of them will

1281
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:50,600
Speaker 2: have played in championship games by the end of their

1282
01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:51,360
Speaker 2: second season.

1283
01:00:51,560 --> 01:00:51,760
Speaker 3: Yep.

1284
01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:53,600
Speaker 2: Jade did it last year as a rookie. These two

1285
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:54,800
Speaker 2: did it in their second year.

1286
01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:55,560
Speaker 3: Yep.

1287
01:00:55,720 --> 01:00:58,640
Speaker 2: Well, Caleb just short divisional game, just short, but still

1288
01:00:58,720 --> 01:01:00,640
Speaker 2: on the precipice of it. And none of them are

1289
01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:06,919
Speaker 2: going anywhere. Rams Seahawks can be fun. That's a great game,

1290
01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:10,120
Speaker 2: and it you know, it's we got so the AFC one.

1291
01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:13,240
Speaker 2: It's if Knicks were playing, you'd feel different.

1292
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:13,720
Speaker 3: Obviously.

1293
01:01:13,840 --> 01:01:16,480
Speaker 2: That's the big hammer that dropped. That really sucks. My

1294
01:01:16,600 --> 01:01:20,360
Speaker 2: Knicks injury took all the wind out of that. Sales like, okay, fine,

1295
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:23,680
Speaker 2: the assent Sean Payton like that defense Knicks. Okay fine,

1296
01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:27,000
Speaker 2: I can buy into Denver, New England. I'll be jacked

1297
01:01:27,080 --> 01:01:29,360
Speaker 2: up for that. When you get winto the Knicks injury

1298
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:31,480
Speaker 2: later Saturday night, it's just such a gut.

1299
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:38,760
Speaker 3: Totally total gut punch. I also, that's not a hey,

1300
01:01:38,840 --> 01:01:41,920
Speaker 3: I speak for me, that's not a really compelling game

1301
01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:44,440
Speaker 3: for me to what's gonna be stylistically a beautiful game?

1302
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:46,120
Speaker 3: I don't know. It'll be like all the games New

1303
01:01:46,120 --> 01:01:47,240
Speaker 3: England's perfect season.

1304
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:51,440
Speaker 4: Three o'clock sixteen, ready it's six thirty, kids, Yeah, it'll be.

1305
01:01:51,720 --> 01:01:55,000
Speaker 4: It feels whatever we needed to get done on something.

1306
01:01:55,160 --> 01:01:57,160
Speaker 4: It does feel to me like the NFC Championship is

1307
01:01:57,240 --> 01:01:57,919
Speaker 4: for the Super Bowl.

1308
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:02,600
Speaker 3: I I'm not I'm not ready to go there with

1309
01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:04,960
Speaker 3: New England yet. But the other but of course they

1310
01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:06,960
Speaker 3: can win any game they play. But it feels I

1311
01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:08,360
Speaker 3: do agree with you. I think the winner of the

1312
01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:09,400
Speaker 3: NSC champion, if you were.

1313
01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:14,040
Speaker 2: Power ranking, you would go Seattle Rams, New England. Denver's

1314
01:02:14,080 --> 01:02:14,600
Speaker 2: probably with you.

1315
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:16,440
Speaker 3: And if the Bills were in that game, that, if

1316
01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:19,200
Speaker 3: that's Bills Patriots, that is an insanely that game might

1317
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:21,200
Speaker 3: outrate honestly, Seattle Rams.

1318
01:02:21,560 --> 01:02:24,240
Speaker 2: Well it would, it would, it would because yeah, for sure,

1319
01:02:24,560 --> 01:02:25,640
Speaker 2: there's there's no question it would.

1320
01:02:25,640 --> 01:02:27,600
Speaker 3: Well, it made a huge And that's the other thing too, like,

1321
01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:33,760
Speaker 3: not only that's why the fact that they rushed that

1322
01:02:34,080 --> 01:02:38,200
Speaker 3: call is crazy. Number one, somebody's just stepped in and said, listen,

1323
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:40,600
Speaker 3: let's look at this. We're not supposed to, but because

1324
01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:42,440
Speaker 3: we do, look at it all frame by frame, that's

1325
01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:45,920
Speaker 3: how we have to judge everything. Let's go ahead. And

1326
01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:49,280
Speaker 3: and there's also from just the business. First of all,

1327
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:51,160
Speaker 3: I think it's the right call. Second of all, like,

1328
01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:53,959
Speaker 3: as the league, you want that to be a catch?

1329
01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:58,800
Speaker 3: Oh for sure? Yeah, Like that's crazy, point blank. CBS

1330
01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:01,480
Speaker 3: wants that to be a catch. Yeah they do. Yeah,

1331
01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:03,600
Speaker 3: they can sell Josh Allen versus the Bills, and you

1332
01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:05,320
Speaker 3: don't have to bet that. I just think you could.

1333
01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:07,720
Speaker 3: You can absolutely say he caught it possessed. It was

1334
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:11,080
Speaker 3: touchdown the end. Yeah, and you go on. I think

1335
01:03:11,120 --> 01:03:13,800
Speaker 3: there's less controversy about that play. If that's called a catch,

1336
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:16,280
Speaker 3: then there is because it was not. Yeah, I think

1337
01:03:16,320 --> 01:03:16,720
Speaker 3: that's true.

1338
01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:18,560
Speaker 2: But I think the other thing from the NFL's like

1339
01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:21,960
Speaker 2: it's kind of already over, Like the controversy, it's over.

1340
01:03:22,080 --> 01:03:23,760
Speaker 2: Like we sit here on Tuesday, it's done it. There's

1341
01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:26,000
Speaker 2: nothing more games on Sunday and then that's it and

1342
01:03:26,080 --> 01:03:28,240
Speaker 2: we're off. We'll have some of the big calls from

1343
01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:30,160
Speaker 2: the weekend. Always have fun with this. That's coming up

1344
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:32,720
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Speaker 2: Time for one of my favorite things that we do,

1357
01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:34,840
Speaker 2: take a listen to some of the great radio calls

1358
01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:39,320
Speaker 2: from this weekend's action. Let's start at KOA in Denver.

1359
01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:42,240
Speaker 2: Here is Dave Logan of the call the Broncos game

1360
01:04:42,320 --> 01:04:44,280
Speaker 2: winning field goal in overtime.

1361
01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:48,600
Speaker 6: Snap placement, kick on the way and Denver's going to

1362
01:04:48,680 --> 01:04:55,520
Speaker 6: the FC championship team in an epic battle from at

1363
01:04:55,600 --> 01:05:00,320
Speaker 6: power Field at Mile High. The Broncos have I I'm

1364
01:05:00,440 --> 01:05:04,600
Speaker 6: higher and they have found a way to win again

1365
01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:06,000
Speaker 6: coming from behind.

1366
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:10,120
Speaker 2: How is it that these teems like Denver and New

1367
01:05:10,200 --> 01:05:13,040
Speaker 2: England get to reset so quickly and get back to

1368
01:05:13,120 --> 01:05:16,560
Speaker 2: this like it's nothing like just reset right away. I mean,

1369
01:05:16,600 --> 01:05:18,439
Speaker 2: we got to watch them when the two Cup Bowls

1370
01:05:18,480 --> 01:05:20,040
Speaker 2: in the nineties, they played for all those Super Bowls

1371
01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:23,040
Speaker 2: in the late eighties early nineties, and you think, okay, well,

1372
01:05:23,080 --> 01:05:24,959
Speaker 2: now suffer a little bit. Well, then they get Peyton

1373
01:05:25,040 --> 01:05:26,960
Speaker 2: Manning and they win another one and play in another one,

1374
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:29,439
Speaker 2: and then they're kind of wayward and now they're back

1375
01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:31,680
Speaker 2: in this thing. I mean, it's ridiculous. So then New

1376
01:05:31,720 --> 01:05:35,800
Speaker 2: England gets six Super Bowls and then they stumble into

1377
01:05:35,960 --> 01:05:36,960
Speaker 2: Rabel and may.

1378
01:05:38,680 --> 01:05:46,600
Speaker 3: God brutal sucks man. Yes, sucks is the key. It

1379
01:05:46,720 --> 01:05:50,280
Speaker 3: really sucks. So is this next one for our boy?

1380
01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:51,280
Speaker 3: All right?

1381
01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:56,160
Speaker 2: This is uh this is the uh Shahid return TD

1382
01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:59,520
Speaker 2: to open the game. Courtesy of Steve Rabel on the

1383
01:05:59,680 --> 01:06:00,960
Speaker 2: Sea Radio Network.

1384
01:06:01,800 --> 01:06:05,960
Speaker 7: Vinyiro jeez it up, looks down field, side forward and

1385
01:06:06,080 --> 01:06:07,960
Speaker 7: we're off and running and over end.

1386
01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:11,560
Speaker 8: She eat at his own five across the ten, fifteen,

1387
01:06:11,720 --> 01:06:12,600
Speaker 8: twenty cut.

1388
01:06:12,520 --> 01:06:15,240
Speaker 7: Straight up field, have a gap, cook off the forty

1389
01:06:15,520 --> 01:06:19,320
Speaker 7: midfield fifty, try to triple book at him. Take it down.

1390
01:06:19,720 --> 01:06:21,600
Speaker 7: See to its.

1391
01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:29,880
Speaker 9: Holy catfish open the game with a ninety five yard touchdown.

1392
01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:35,280
Speaker 2: Say off, do they have catfish? Settles Jimmy and I

1393
01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:38,280
Speaker 2: makes place market. I don't remember catfish.

1394
01:06:38,560 --> 01:06:41,320
Speaker 3: I don't either. Slung around the turney neither. That's that.

1395
01:06:41,680 --> 01:06:43,000
Speaker 3: What a disgusting highlight.

1396
01:06:43,600 --> 01:06:46,160
Speaker 2: I think that the loudest an NFL stadium can be

1397
01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:48,560
Speaker 2: is when the opening kickoff at home is returned for

1398
01:06:48,640 --> 01:06:50,640
Speaker 2: a touchdown. Oh my god, I think it's louder than

1399
01:06:50,680 --> 01:06:52,400
Speaker 2: the end of the game. I think it's the loudest

1400
01:06:52,440 --> 01:06:55,840
Speaker 2: it can be. Everyone's jacked up, everyone's ready, they're all

1401
01:06:55,880 --> 01:06:59,240
Speaker 2: on their feet. The home team returning the opening kickoff

1402
01:06:59,240 --> 01:07:01,280
Speaker 2: for a touchdown is the outison NFL Stadium can be.

1403
01:07:01,480 --> 01:07:03,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not gonna fight on that. That was gross.

1404
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:06,200
Speaker 3: And then if you're the kicker and you're gonna go

1405
01:07:06,280 --> 01:07:08,680
Speaker 3: for the move where you sweep the leg like you

1406
01:07:08,720 --> 01:07:12,200
Speaker 3: gotta hit it that man, you have to do whatever

1407
01:07:12,280 --> 01:07:15,480
Speaker 3: you have to do. Take the fifteen yard penalty, but

1408
01:07:15,960 --> 01:07:19,400
Speaker 3: make sure the guy doesn't keep running. It's the worst line.

1409
01:07:19,400 --> 01:07:21,120
Speaker 3: Tace I've ever seen in my life as a socker.

1410
01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:25,280
Speaker 3: Is awesome, awful. All right, let's head to Sunday.

1411
01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:29,160
Speaker 2: This our buddy Bob Soci and Scott Zolak on the

1412
01:07:29,240 --> 01:07:33,280
Speaker 2: Patriots Radio Network. Here's the Marcus Jones pick six, dos't.

1413
01:07:33,080 --> 01:07:34,920
Speaker 9: Up in the air, hit us up and Marcus Jones

1414
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:38,000
Speaker 9: bribe twenty fifteen to ten. Jones has tackled my hundreds

1415
01:07:38,040 --> 01:07:41,520
Speaker 9: and takes him to the pylon. Tupshot takes a Aitreans

1416
01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:45,760
Speaker 9: look at it. It's nuts again. The going nuts.

1417
01:07:46,160 --> 01:07:50,720
Speaker 7: I do love it. Crusher off the X contact and

1418
01:07:50,840 --> 01:07:53,400
Speaker 7: the ball goes pumped up. Right in the air, and

1419
01:07:53,560 --> 01:07:55,960
Speaker 7: finally we get it off. The deflection has been three

1420
01:07:56,080 --> 01:07:59,360
Speaker 7: times in the first quarter. Balls have gun up deflected

1421
01:07:59,640 --> 01:08:02,960
Speaker 7: it all the crowd. Joe picks it up and arrests

1422
01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:03,520
Speaker 7: his history.

1423
01:08:04,600 --> 01:08:06,680
Speaker 3: These guys his patch and believe I love it.

1424
01:08:07,240 --> 01:08:10,640
Speaker 2: Oh, I's just on filtered. Here's another one from those two.

1425
01:08:10,760 --> 01:08:13,040
Speaker 2: This is the Kishan bote one a catch.

1426
01:08:13,720 --> 01:08:16,479
Speaker 7: Stevenson steps us over the right guard. Here comes into

1427
01:08:16,520 --> 01:08:18,880
Speaker 7: the foe man rush may stans and throws the longbow.

1428
01:08:18,920 --> 01:08:20,720
Speaker 7: He's down the right supper Kishan buddy.

1429
01:08:20,600 --> 01:08:25,320
Speaker 9: We just up fine man pulls it, tuckers down Padres.

1430
01:08:25,800 --> 01:08:30,559
Speaker 7: I'm doing grab by Foody and new Wiglan. It's free game.

1431
01:08:30,680 --> 01:08:37,200
Speaker 7: I'm too scarrely TuS what's up? That's a hell to

1432
01:08:37,280 --> 01:08:40,240
Speaker 7: throw flot it for. They walk Henderson up.

1433
01:08:40,400 --> 01:08:42,000
Speaker 5: They're telling the tuxits.

1434
01:08:41,720 --> 01:08:43,559
Speaker 7: We're floating trag bases.

1435
01:08:43,640 --> 01:08:44,160
Speaker 3: I don't care.

1436
01:08:44,479 --> 01:08:46,880
Speaker 7: We walked people off. Pickle puffing run. He goes to

1437
01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:50,960
Speaker 7: Booty down the right side, dropping a bucket crow big

1438
01:08:51,080 --> 01:08:52,240
Speaker 7: tacte by.

1439
01:08:52,160 --> 01:08:52,760
Speaker 1: The m v P.

1440
01:08:53,360 --> 01:08:57,880
Speaker 7: I'm holding the MVP. I'm calling do whatever I want.

1441
01:08:57,960 --> 01:09:02,720
Speaker 3: Who's yeah, nobody, who's you Scotty? Nobody's the answer. This

1442
01:09:02,880 --> 01:09:03,679
Speaker 3: one I have heard.

1443
01:09:03,800 --> 01:09:06,240
Speaker 2: And this is why I think Kevin Harland is the best,

1444
01:09:06,320 --> 01:09:09,080
Speaker 2: most versatile play by play guy in any sport. I

1445
01:09:09,120 --> 01:09:11,000
Speaker 2: think he can do anything he wants, and I think

1446
01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:13,720
Speaker 2: he's the best at it. Here's the latest example of that.

1447
01:09:13,840 --> 01:09:16,479
Speaker 2: This is Kevin Harlan on Westwood one Caleb Williams game

1448
01:09:16,560 --> 01:09:20,519
Speaker 2: tying fourteen yard touchdown that went fifty seven air yards.

1449
01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:21,320
Speaker 3: Here's the listen.

1450
01:09:21,960 --> 01:09:25,840
Speaker 10: It's fourth and four at the ram fourteen and in

1451
01:09:26,040 --> 01:09:29,360
Speaker 10: the gun is the quarterback. Tayleb Williams looks into the nickel,

1452
01:09:29,800 --> 01:09:33,759
Speaker 10: arms outstretched, fourth down and four fourteen of the rams shotgun,

1453
01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:37,400
Speaker 10: staff goes back for four man rush. He's chased, he's fushed,

1454
01:09:37,479 --> 01:09:39,519
Speaker 10: he's holding the way back to the forty. He's back

1455
01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:41,480
Speaker 10: pedaling and throws a pass and hens.

1456
01:09:41,240 --> 01:09:46,600
Speaker 7: A put touchdown. Touchdown, Chicago is thing a.

1457
01:09:46,680 --> 01:09:49,559
Speaker 1: Touchdown pass whift pole come.

1458
01:09:49,479 --> 01:09:55,360
Speaker 7: Out open in the corner. If you hadn't seen it,

1459
01:09:56,360 --> 01:09:57,720
Speaker 7: you will not believe it.

1460
01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:03,800
Speaker 3: If you had not seen it, you would not believe it.

1461
01:10:04,560 --> 01:10:06,680
Speaker 3: And he's right, He's right. I was watching that. I

1462
01:10:06,720 --> 01:10:10,760
Speaker 3: couldn't believe it. I screamed when he I could believe

1463
01:10:10,800 --> 01:10:13,920
Speaker 3: it to like, wait, what I was like, Holy, I

1464
01:10:13,960 --> 01:10:17,840
Speaker 3: think I get a Holy smokes, Holy smokes.

1465
01:10:19,040 --> 01:10:23,080
Speaker 2: Crazy crazy, all right, this one is is a little

1466
01:10:23,080 --> 01:10:26,479
Speaker 2: popery for you. You're gonna hear that same play Williams

1467
01:10:26,520 --> 01:10:28,880
Speaker 2: to comet. You're gonna hear it in French, Spanish and

1468
01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:32,639
Speaker 2: Portuguese then German in order. Here are the foreign language

1469
01:10:32,720 --> 01:10:33,679
Speaker 2: calls of that play.

1470
01:10:34,160 --> 01:10:35,839
Speaker 1: And ULTI walk out to the new Ventu.

1471
01:10:37,479 --> 01:10:39,919
Speaker 7: Looks walk woods.

1472
01:10:40,120 --> 01:10:40,719
Speaker 2: She told.

1473
01:10:47,400 --> 01:10:55,360
Speaker 1: Covet says, tell me that Williams pace, You'll never wait

1474
01:10:55,439 --> 01:10:56,960
Speaker 1: in Pace.

1475
01:10:56,720 --> 01:11:10,280
Speaker 11: You'll never Williams will not be money normal, Williams.

1476
01:11:11,640 --> 01:11:21,200
Speaker 10: Eyes quash, walthy, she gorgo.

1477
01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:28,519
Speaker 9: Bears, Williams most holes wise and click feudal rolftin yet's

1478
01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:29,760
Speaker 9: in sto and so on.

1479
01:11:30,600 --> 01:11:37,880
Speaker 7: Don't be extonished, cold comments, get starkish, state consulne and

1480
01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:40,160
Speaker 7: and so on. The Austrian passed from.

1481
01:11:40,040 --> 01:11:42,760
Speaker 1: Williams step by yahides being soon.

1482
01:11:43,840 --> 01:11:45,280
Speaker 3: That last one makes me feel like I'm in the

1483
01:11:45,320 --> 01:11:48,080
Speaker 3: bar scene in Glorious Bastard. Yeah, that's crazy like that.

1484
01:11:48,280 --> 01:11:50,640
Speaker 2: So that one feels I feel like it is the

1485
01:11:50,800 --> 01:11:54,560
Speaker 2: ss around me. They're just that's it's weird, like you

1486
01:11:54,680 --> 01:11:57,000
Speaker 2: hear that. I never heard a German call of anything

1487
01:11:57,040 --> 01:11:59,679
Speaker 2: other than like the World Cup. Yeah, that's great, that's great.

1488
01:12:00,920 --> 01:12:01,880
Speaker 2: Let's do this one too.

1489
01:12:01,960 --> 01:12:02,639
Speaker 3: This is JB.

1490
01:12:02,760 --> 01:12:07,639
Speaker 2: Long ESPNLA on Harrison Mevs's game winning field goal in overtime.

1491
01:12:08,120 --> 01:12:11,200
Speaker 8: Will Ben Johnson use a time out here? It's going

1492
01:12:11,280 --> 01:12:14,439
Speaker 8: to be a forty two yard field goal attempt from

1493
01:12:14,520 --> 01:12:17,720
Speaker 8: the right hash for the rookie Harrison meabs out of

1494
01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:20,160
Speaker 8: the hold of Ethan Evans here it comes.

1495
01:12:20,080 --> 01:12:22,880
Speaker 7: To send the Rams to Seattle.

1496
01:12:22,720 --> 01:12:25,559
Speaker 6: For the NFC Championship game.

1497
01:12:26,400 --> 01:12:27,120
Speaker 3: It's good.

1498
01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:37,439
Speaker 12: The Rams win its twenty to seventeen in overtime. Money

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Speaker 12: Meavis from Warsaw, Indiana. He joined LA mid season. His

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Speaker 12: rookie campaign continues with an overtime walk off winner in

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Speaker 12: the divisional round.

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Speaker 7: Soldier Field is silenced.

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Speaker 12: You could hear a snowflake kiss the crossbar as the

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01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:03,479
Speaker 12: Bears file out and the Rams win its.

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Speaker 4: He was right, Yeah, I mean that was it got

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Speaker 4: That's one of those games where you don't know it's

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01:13:11,360 --> 01:13:13,439
Speaker 4: cold until that happens.

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01:13:13,560 --> 01:13:15,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then it's really cold.

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Speaker 2: I didn't really have a rooting interest in it, you know.

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01:13:18,600 --> 01:13:20,559
Speaker 2: I grew up liking the Bears are my team when

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01:13:20,560 --> 01:13:23,000
Speaker 2: I was a kid and Obviously, I've been high on

1512
01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:25,280
Speaker 2: the Rams all year, this year and stuff, but I

1513
01:13:25,400 --> 01:13:27,120
Speaker 2: didn't really have a rooting interest in it. But after

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01:13:27,200 --> 01:13:28,920
Speaker 2: Caleb made the play, I really wanted the Bears to

1515
01:13:28,960 --> 01:13:31,439
Speaker 2: finish it, like I really wanted to totally. I'm like,

1516
01:13:31,479 --> 01:13:34,479
Speaker 2: after that play, you need to have you need to

1517
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Speaker 2: have the finish for it, all right, the Godfather, They're

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Speaker 2: He is the Godfather, He birthed this show from his loins.

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Speaker 2: He is the notorious one. He is the Great Vic Carucci,

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01:14:27,600 --> 01:14:29,559
Speaker 2: and he joins us. Buddy I'll be honest, I thought

1533
01:14:29,560 --> 01:14:31,360
Speaker 2: there's a decent chance we talked to you this week.

1534
01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:34,080
Speaker 2: My thinking would be that we would be previewing an

1535
01:14:34,080 --> 01:14:35,360
Speaker 2: AFC championship game.

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01:14:35,479 --> 01:14:38,080
Speaker 3: Instead, we have the end of this run as a

1537
01:14:38,120 --> 01:14:39,320
Speaker 3: Buffalo Bills as we know it.

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01:14:41,560 --> 01:14:45,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was, it was a while. It's been a

1539
01:14:45,240 --> 01:14:46,800
Speaker 5: wild I guess. I guess I got to call it.

1540
01:14:46,920 --> 01:14:50,960
Speaker 5: Seventy two hours, certainly the forty eight hours following Saturday.

1541
01:14:51,560 --> 01:14:54,719
Speaker 5: I you know, at various points I lost track of time.

1542
01:14:55,479 --> 01:14:58,160
Speaker 5: You know, my wife sitting sees me sitting in the

1543
01:14:58,280 --> 01:15:01,120
Speaker 5: dark with my laptop just looking staring at it and

1544
01:15:01,320 --> 01:15:04,360
Speaker 5: just not really knowing, like, what the hell is going

1545
01:15:04,400 --> 01:15:08,920
Speaker 5: on here? If you're if we had this conversation that

1546
01:15:09,160 --> 01:15:11,400
Speaker 5: the game would be would go how it went right,

1547
01:15:11,479 --> 01:15:14,400
Speaker 5: that that would be all that controversy, and then oh yeah,

1548
01:15:14,920 --> 01:15:19,000
Speaker 5: and then two days later the head coach with you know,

1549
01:15:19,520 --> 01:15:24,360
Speaker 5: nearly one hundred regular season victories and eight playoff appearances

1550
01:15:24,439 --> 01:15:28,240
Speaker 5: in these nine seasons out the door. You know, I'd

1551
01:15:28,280 --> 01:15:29,960
Speaker 5: have said, what will we write in a fiction for

1552
01:15:30,320 --> 01:15:31,479
Speaker 5: a novel? What are we doing here?

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01:15:34,520 --> 01:15:38,400
Speaker 3: Were you shocked by the news?

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01:15:39,479 --> 01:15:43,679
Speaker 5: So, Nathan, this is the thing. No, I can't say shocked,

1555
01:15:43,760 --> 01:15:46,439
Speaker 5: I'd be I'd be disingenuous if I said I was shocked,

1556
01:15:47,000 --> 01:15:52,680
Speaker 5: mildly surprised, And I'll explain why. There definitely was a

1557
01:15:52,880 --> 01:15:55,599
Speaker 5: feeling I had and some rumblings I heard. If you're

1558
01:15:55,600 --> 01:15:58,120
Speaker 5: around the team enough, you know, the three of us

1559
01:15:58,240 --> 01:16:01,160
Speaker 5: know this, You get things, you get feelings, you get thoughts,

1560
01:16:01,240 --> 01:16:04,439
Speaker 5: and you know it's it's just the way it goes

1561
01:16:04,600 --> 01:16:07,080
Speaker 5: in this game. Right. What do we have ears, we

1562
01:16:07,600 --> 01:16:11,800
Speaker 5: have radar? You know all of this, and the sense

1563
01:16:12,040 --> 01:16:16,920
Speaker 5: I had was very important for him to deliver on it.

1564
01:16:17,160 --> 01:16:21,439
Speaker 5: The clock always ticks, you know. As a Hall of

1565
01:16:21,520 --> 01:16:24,679
Speaker 5: Fame GM Bill Pollian told me one time, the minute

1566
01:16:24,720 --> 01:16:27,160
Speaker 5: your ten hits the paper and you sign that deal,

1567
01:16:27,560 --> 01:16:31,679
Speaker 5: clock starts ticking and it gets louder when the result

1568
01:16:31,920 --> 01:16:35,040
Speaker 5: is not a Super Bowl championship. That is all you

1569
01:16:35,160 --> 01:16:37,479
Speaker 5: are signed for. That is what you're supposed to deliver.

1570
01:16:38,200 --> 01:16:41,640
Speaker 5: So they, you know, they were, certainly had reason to

1571
01:16:41,720 --> 01:16:44,920
Speaker 5: stick with him and see how this would unfold. He

1572
01:16:45,000 --> 01:16:49,880
Speaker 5: got multiple extensions. He was under contract through twenty twenty seven,

1573
01:16:50,240 --> 01:16:54,240
Speaker 5: which meant at least previously Terry Pigula, the owner, believed

1574
01:16:54,479 --> 01:16:56,000
Speaker 5: he was the right guy to lead him there and

1575
01:16:56,200 --> 01:16:58,160
Speaker 5: was giving him that, you know, giving him a decent

1576
01:16:58,160 --> 01:17:01,479
Speaker 5: amount of runway to get them there, and they make

1577
01:17:01,520 --> 01:17:03,960
Speaker 5: the playoffs again again for the eighth time in his

1578
01:17:04,120 --> 01:17:09,000
Speaker 5: nine seasons. But I felt if they fell short. By

1579
01:17:09,120 --> 01:17:11,320
Speaker 5: fall short, I mean wildcard round, if it's a one

1580
01:17:11,360 --> 01:17:14,840
Speaker 5: and done, like losing against Jacksonville, that was there, that

1581
01:17:15,000 --> 01:17:19,479
Speaker 5: was their wildcard game, I would have thought very heavily

1582
01:17:19,640 --> 01:17:22,280
Speaker 5: that all bets were off about him staying. I would

1583
01:17:22,439 --> 01:17:25,599
Speaker 5: at that point there would be no surprise. It would say, yeah,

1584
01:17:25,880 --> 01:17:29,120
Speaker 5: I could see what they were thinking here when he

1585
01:17:29,240 --> 01:17:32,320
Speaker 5: survived that, when they won that, and it wasn't a

1586
01:17:32,640 --> 01:17:34,880
Speaker 5: you know, they didn't win it overwhelmingly, we know that.

1587
01:17:35,040 --> 01:17:38,200
Speaker 5: But I said, Okay, I think he's falling more into

1588
01:17:38,280 --> 01:17:42,080
Speaker 5: a safe zone. And then we saw what happened Saturday

1589
01:17:42,280 --> 01:17:45,560
Speaker 5: last Saturday, and and the craziness and the nature of

1590
01:17:45,640 --> 01:17:49,360
Speaker 5: that loss, and and and and then when you talk

1591
01:17:49,400 --> 01:17:52,360
Speaker 5: about Radar going up, when he went off the way

1592
01:17:52,439 --> 01:17:54,600
Speaker 5: he did on the on the call, I mean, we

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01:17:54,760 --> 01:17:57,519
Speaker 5: understand what he was thinking about, but that was so

1594
01:17:57,720 --> 01:17:59,960
Speaker 5: out of character. Guys. That was so he's a member

1595
01:18:00,040 --> 01:18:03,599
Speaker 5: of the competition committee and he's ripping officials the league.

1596
01:18:03,960 --> 01:18:06,639
Speaker 5: I mean, he's just he's just doing things that Sean

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01:18:06,800 --> 01:18:07,240
Speaker 5: doesn't do.

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01:18:07,960 --> 01:18:08,960
Speaker 3: And then he's added to it.

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Speaker 5: He's on the team, he's on the y he's right. Yeah,

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01:18:11,080 --> 01:18:16,599
Speaker 5: but but but being right and then speaking publicly about

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01:18:16,600 --> 01:18:18,880
Speaker 5: it are we know, guys are two different things. And

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01:18:19,080 --> 01:18:22,080
Speaker 5: and then he's on the team plane as before they

1603
01:18:22,160 --> 01:18:25,639
Speaker 5: depart Denver, he dials up a Buffalo news beat reporter

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01:18:25,720 --> 01:18:28,439
Speaker 5: guy named Jay s Kirsky and unloads some more. It's

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01:18:28,479 --> 01:18:31,439
Speaker 5: like he didn't do enough unloading at the podium. He's

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01:18:31,479 --> 01:18:34,240
Speaker 5: going to add to the unloading. And that was just

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01:18:34,520 --> 01:18:37,559
Speaker 5: so so what that told me. I'm bringing that up

1608
01:18:37,640 --> 01:18:41,360
Speaker 5: because that told me that's a guy who knew it

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01:18:41,560 --> 01:18:43,760
Speaker 5: was the end had come and he's going to go

1610
01:18:43,840 --> 01:18:48,360
Speaker 5: out swinging, and he knew he knew that loss was costly.

1611
01:18:48,920 --> 01:18:53,840
Speaker 5: Josh Allen bawling, not just choked up, not just you know, emotional,

1612
01:18:54,320 --> 01:18:58,320
Speaker 5: s flat out balling, knew that that his turnovers and

1613
01:18:58,360 --> 01:19:00,679
Speaker 5: he had four of them in that game of their five. Yep,

1614
01:19:01,080 --> 01:19:05,080
Speaker 5: that that was part and parcel to you know, a

1615
01:19:05,200 --> 01:19:06,559
Speaker 5: bad ending for the head coach.

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01:19:07,439 --> 01:19:09,360
Speaker 3: All Right, I have a couple of questions here, so

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01:19:09,400 --> 01:19:11,080
Speaker 3: I'm going to try to We'll go quick. You just

1618
01:19:11,200 --> 01:19:12,960
Speaker 3: always close with Josh Allen. So while we start with

1619
01:19:13,040 --> 01:19:16,120
Speaker 3: Josh Allen, we have talked BO and I talked about this,

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01:19:16,200 --> 01:19:18,560
Speaker 3: and I had some other people in our building that

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01:19:18,600 --> 01:19:22,280
Speaker 3: I talked to about it, and they said that if

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01:19:23,080 --> 01:19:25,400
Speaker 3: if Josh Allen wanted Sean McDermott to still be the

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01:19:25,439 --> 01:19:27,600
Speaker 3: head coach, he would still be the head coach. Do

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01:19:27,760 --> 01:19:28,880
Speaker 3: you believe that to be true.

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01:19:30,680 --> 01:19:33,960
Speaker 5: It's an interesting argument and it's one that's I've heard

1626
01:19:34,160 --> 01:19:39,400
Speaker 5: and discussed with others as well. The I would say

1627
01:19:39,479 --> 01:19:43,519
Speaker 5: to you that if he if he was against it,

1628
01:19:43,680 --> 01:19:48,760
Speaker 5: if he was fundamentally had a problem with it, yeah,

1629
01:19:49,120 --> 01:19:51,759
Speaker 5: I could see that being the case. I don't believe

1630
01:19:52,400 --> 01:19:57,160
Speaker 5: he was anti Sean. I believe he is you know,

1631
01:19:57,439 --> 01:20:01,240
Speaker 5: pro whoever it is that works with him. Shawn is

1632
01:20:01,320 --> 01:20:06,200
Speaker 5: a defensive rooted coach. He lets his OC, who is

1633
01:20:06,280 --> 01:20:09,760
Speaker 5: Joe Brady, who was interviewing for head coaching jobs, do

1634
01:20:10,720 --> 01:20:14,479
Speaker 5: the handling of Josh handling of the offense. So if

1635
01:20:14,560 --> 01:20:16,920
Speaker 5: the wrong guy is doing that job, and keep in mind,

1636
01:20:17,360 --> 01:20:20,000
Speaker 5: Shawn has moved on from one guy you may know

1637
01:20:20,120 --> 01:20:23,280
Speaker 5: that name Ken Dorsey, who works there, so they moved

1638
01:20:23,320 --> 01:20:26,439
Speaker 5: on from him to go to Joe Brady, and frankly

1639
01:20:26,520 --> 01:20:29,800
Speaker 5: that was even though I know Josh was upset, felt

1640
01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:33,240
Speaker 5: he was the reason Dorsey got fired and took it

1641
01:20:33,439 --> 01:20:37,920
Speaker 5: kind of personally, but understood that move and then understood

1642
01:20:38,120 --> 01:20:41,120
Speaker 5: getting Brady and I think felt that you know, they

1643
01:20:41,200 --> 01:20:44,360
Speaker 5: had at least as much of a connection. But the

1644
01:20:44,720 --> 01:20:48,160
Speaker 5: short answer to your question, I don't believe this was

1645
01:20:48,720 --> 01:20:52,200
Speaker 5: this was a Josh Allen motivated move, if you will.

1646
01:20:52,800 --> 01:20:55,360
Speaker 3: Got it okay. And then the other thing is bo

1647
01:20:55,439 --> 01:20:57,680
Speaker 3: and I have talked about this for months when we

1648
01:20:57,840 --> 01:21:00,800
Speaker 3: had you on this show not that long ago, before

1649
01:21:00,880 --> 01:21:04,080
Speaker 3: the Bills played the Browns, we talked about it with

1650
01:21:04,200 --> 01:21:07,400
Speaker 3: you and you agreed. This is the worst roster eras

1651
01:21:07,520 --> 01:21:10,920
Speaker 3: supporting cast Josh Allen has had in this playoff run

1652
01:21:11,040 --> 01:21:13,479
Speaker 3: these seven years in a row that Josh Allen has

1653
01:21:13,520 --> 01:21:17,720
Speaker 3: gone to the playoffs. How is it that that a

1654
01:21:17,800 --> 01:21:20,880
Speaker 3: lot of people believe that, and then we're finding out

1655
01:21:20,880 --> 01:21:24,559
Speaker 3: reports now that basically Sean McDermott was also of that belief.

1656
01:21:25,439 --> 01:21:28,240
Speaker 3: And yet McDermott's out the guy who put this roster

1657
01:21:28,360 --> 01:21:30,639
Speaker 3: together with two Pro bowlers and fifty six draft picks

1658
01:21:30,680 --> 01:21:32,800
Speaker 3: one of the worst receiver rooms in the history of

1659
01:21:32,840 --> 01:21:35,960
Speaker 3: football year after year despite having Josh Allen, especially once

1660
01:21:36,000 --> 01:21:39,920
Speaker 3: Stefan Diggs left. That guy is promoted, he's running the

1661
01:21:39,920 --> 01:21:43,360
Speaker 3: whole show and McDermott's out. From the outside, it seems

1662
01:21:43,400 --> 01:21:46,639
Speaker 3: completely insane and makes me feel like this bean guy

1663
01:21:47,040 --> 01:21:50,560
Speaker 3: backs to McDermott hard to save his own neck. And

1664
01:21:50,880 --> 01:21:53,120
Speaker 3: maybe they they threw the wrong guy out.

1665
01:21:54,920 --> 01:21:57,960
Speaker 5: You should consider a career like in broadcasting or media.

1666
01:21:58,040 --> 01:22:02,320
Speaker 5: You're pretty good, Nathan, You're your spot You're spot on,

1667
01:22:03,240 --> 01:22:08,200
Speaker 5: because I it was a power struggle, classic power struggle

1668
01:22:08,680 --> 01:22:12,360
Speaker 5: and being one Sean lost. Uh, they were, they were

1669
01:22:12,760 --> 01:22:17,080
Speaker 5: pretty much moving in separate directions. Uh you could feel that.

1670
01:22:17,240 --> 01:22:19,760
Speaker 5: And back to my radar feeling thing that I was

1671
01:22:19,840 --> 01:22:22,559
Speaker 5: talking about. That was the essence. That was the essence

1672
01:22:22,600 --> 01:22:27,479
Speaker 5: of it. That that being defended his you know his

1673
01:22:27,880 --> 01:22:30,360
Speaker 5: his I mean I say defended. I mean he went

1674
01:22:30,439 --> 01:22:33,000
Speaker 5: on a local Buffalo radio station and called out the

1675
01:22:33,880 --> 01:22:37,360
Speaker 5: morning co hosts of the sports station in Buffalo, which

1676
01:22:37,439 --> 01:22:39,800
Speaker 5: is the voice of the Bills, and and when they

1677
01:22:39,880 --> 01:22:44,000
Speaker 5: were questioning the receiver situation, he basically, you know, slapped

1678
01:22:44,040 --> 01:22:46,400
Speaker 5: them down on the air and and that went.

1679
01:22:46,720 --> 01:22:47,040
Speaker 1: Remember that.

1680
01:22:47,080 --> 01:22:49,840
Speaker 5: I'm sure you're aware you remember that and uh and

1681
01:22:50,080 --> 01:22:52,600
Speaker 5: and look, Sean could see those problems. Sean in his

1682
01:22:52,680 --> 01:22:54,880
Speaker 5: own way without mentioning being it became sort of a

1683
01:22:54,960 --> 01:22:58,960
Speaker 5: passive aggressive attack on the on the GM when he

1684
01:22:59,080 --> 01:23:01,680
Speaker 5: brought up the fact that, oh, they had a chance

1685
01:23:01,760 --> 01:23:03,960
Speaker 5: to get Jalen Waddle and they didn't get Jalen Waddle.

1686
01:23:04,200 --> 01:23:06,439
Speaker 5: They had a chance to get Jacoby Myers and they

1687
01:23:06,479 --> 01:23:10,200
Speaker 5: didn't get Jacoby Myers. These were the things that you know,

1688
01:23:10,520 --> 01:23:14,080
Speaker 5: the coach knew they were lacking, so I reported, So

1689
01:23:14,479 --> 01:23:16,920
Speaker 5: I'm telling you, yeah, there was definitely a power struggle.

1690
01:23:17,120 --> 01:23:21,639
Speaker 5: The GM, as a rule, has the ear of the owner.

1691
01:23:21,640 --> 01:23:25,519
Speaker 5: I'm talking about in the NFL in general sense, GM's

1692
01:23:25,560 --> 01:23:27,400
Speaker 5: going to have the ear of the owner far more

1693
01:23:27,640 --> 01:23:30,320
Speaker 5: than the head coach because he just has more access

1694
01:23:30,360 --> 01:23:32,519
Speaker 5: to him. The head coach's schedule. You guys know this

1695
01:23:32,960 --> 01:23:38,719
Speaker 5: is far more are far less allowing that kind of interaction.

1696
01:23:39,040 --> 01:23:44,439
Speaker 5: So Terry Bagoula is hearing mostly that voice. Now. I

1697
01:23:44,600 --> 01:23:48,920
Speaker 5: reported what you also referenced that I had heard, and

1698
01:23:49,040 --> 01:23:51,080
Speaker 5: this was I heard this one in the last forty

1699
01:23:51,120 --> 01:23:53,519
Speaker 5: eight hours or so whatever it's been seventy two that

1700
01:23:54,360 --> 01:23:57,040
Speaker 5: about five weeks ago, there was a sit down with

1701
01:23:57,960 --> 01:24:01,880
Speaker 5: Sean McDermott with Brandon ban and with Terry Pegoula, and

1702
01:24:02,320 --> 01:24:07,960
Speaker 5: in that meeting, McDermott expressed his concern or you know,

1703
01:24:08,320 --> 01:24:12,240
Speaker 5: his thoughts that the roster lacked what was needed to

1704
01:24:12,439 --> 01:24:14,880
Speaker 5: get to you know, to make the Super Bowl run,

1705
01:24:14,960 --> 01:24:17,800
Speaker 5: to be a super Bowl winning team. And I don't

1706
01:24:17,920 --> 01:24:20,280
Speaker 5: know the specifics. I did not get the specifics of

1707
01:24:20,360 --> 01:24:23,400
Speaker 5: what Sean told them, but I was also told that

1708
01:24:23,680 --> 01:24:28,080
Speaker 5: neither being nor Pagoula was happy to hear this. And

1709
01:24:28,439 --> 01:24:31,759
Speaker 5: if you want to cite that as a potential tipping point,

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01:24:31,920 --> 01:24:35,720
Speaker 5: and some people have that could be. I'm sharing it

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01:24:35,880 --> 01:24:40,680
Speaker 5: as a reported fact because it happened, whether it contributed

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Speaker 5: or whether the you know, the skids were greased for

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01:24:44,840 --> 01:24:47,599
Speaker 5: him to go out before then, which is quite possible.

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Speaker 3: You know, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Do you think Seawan will coach in this, will want

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01:24:52,160 --> 01:24:52,920
Speaker 2: to get right back in it.

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Speaker 5: I think he wants to coach again. I'm pretty positive

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01:24:58,360 --> 01:25:00,439
Speaker 5: of that. I've known Sean a long time, go back

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01:25:00,479 --> 01:25:03,240
Speaker 5: to his days as an assistant in Philadelphia. So I'm

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01:25:03,240 --> 01:25:07,280
Speaker 5: speaking to you on a basis of watching this guy's

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01:25:07,320 --> 01:25:11,160
Speaker 5: whole career really unfold as an assistant, as a coordinator

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01:25:11,200 --> 01:25:14,680
Speaker 5: and with the Eagles coordinator, with Ron Rivera in Carolina

1723
01:25:15,280 --> 01:25:17,280
Speaker 5: and then coming aboard, and you know, we spent a

1724
01:25:17,320 --> 01:25:20,720
Speaker 5: lot of time having philosophical discussions at the combine. So

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01:25:20,880 --> 01:25:24,240
Speaker 5: I'm sharing this in this sense, he's a coach and

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01:25:24,640 --> 01:25:29,320
Speaker 5: want but wants the right situation. And look, I mean

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01:25:29,600 --> 01:25:33,760
Speaker 5: this will sound like a duh, but the circumstances, the situation,

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01:25:34,320 --> 01:25:38,000
Speaker 5: how it unfolded ultimately in Buffalo for him, and it

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01:25:38,160 --> 01:25:40,080
Speaker 5: wasn't you know, it wasn't bad. They both came in

1730
01:25:40,240 --> 01:25:43,640
Speaker 5: the same year, not together as a package deal. Necessarily

1731
01:25:43,760 --> 01:25:48,519
Speaker 5: both came from Carolina Sean and Brandon Bean, but in

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01:25:48,640 --> 01:25:52,640
Speaker 5: twenty seventeen, and I think had a healthy level of

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01:25:52,840 --> 01:25:55,960
Speaker 5: give and take. And you should have some disagreement between

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01:25:56,040 --> 01:25:59,519
Speaker 5: coach and GM, but I think when it reached an

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01:25:59,600 --> 01:26:03,000
Speaker 5: unheald healthy point in these last couple of years, I

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01:26:03,080 --> 01:26:08,240
Speaker 5: will say he sean looking at the next opportunity, wants

1737
01:26:08,320 --> 01:26:12,800
Speaker 5: to be sure whatever he steps into gives that you

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01:26:12,840 --> 01:26:15,639
Speaker 5: know doesn't. In other words, he has the right people

1739
01:26:15,960 --> 01:26:19,280
Speaker 5: seeing the right football success vision that he has.

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01:26:20,640 --> 01:26:22,800
Speaker 2: You know, you've been around this league a long time, Buddy,

1741
01:26:22,880 --> 01:26:25,120
Speaker 2: Nathan and I were trying to find a circumstance like

1742
01:26:25,200 --> 01:26:27,160
Speaker 2: this and failed to do so. I'm curious if you

1743
01:26:27,280 --> 01:26:31,040
Speaker 2: can remember a situation where not one but two Super

1744
01:26:31,080 --> 01:26:36,240
Speaker 2: Bowl contender MVP quarterback in their prime situations are both open.

1745
01:26:37,000 --> 01:26:39,080
Speaker 2: I can't think of one in Baltimore and Buffalo.

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01:26:40,360 --> 01:26:43,640
Speaker 5: No, you know, I know it was strange. So one

1747
01:26:43,680 --> 01:26:47,000
Speaker 5: of the books I did with Bill Pollian we did

1748
01:26:47,080 --> 01:26:49,559
Speaker 5: it is called super Bowl Blueprints, and we were studying

1749
01:26:49,680 --> 01:26:54,080
Speaker 5: all the different the different dynasties or whatever they were

1750
01:26:54,200 --> 01:26:56,840
Speaker 5: is some weren't, but you know super Bowl champions how

1751
01:26:56,840 --> 01:26:58,760
Speaker 5: they were built in the blueprint And well, we spent

1752
01:26:58,880 --> 01:27:01,080
Speaker 5: time on the forty nine er, and I know Nathan

1753
01:27:01,120 --> 01:27:04,759
Speaker 5: will appreciate this. The forty nine ers with Bill Walsh

1754
01:27:04,880 --> 01:27:08,040
Speaker 5: got some great stories from Mike Holmgren, formerly of the

1755
01:27:08,080 --> 01:27:14,720
Speaker 5: Browns about the whole debate, the quarterback debate between Montana

1756
01:27:14,880 --> 01:27:18,840
Speaker 5: and Young and how that all played out. And you

1757
01:27:18,880 --> 01:27:21,759
Speaker 5: know a lot of the assistant coaches when Mike spoke

1758
01:27:21,880 --> 01:27:24,400
Speaker 5: up and said, basically, Bill Walsh, you got to put

1759
01:27:24,439 --> 01:27:26,760
Speaker 5: your foot down and make a decision on a quarterback

1760
01:27:26,840 --> 01:27:30,120
Speaker 5: here because this is going badly for us. The other

1761
01:27:30,160 --> 01:27:32,680
Speaker 5: assistants in the room at that meeting thought Mike had

1762
01:27:32,720 --> 01:27:34,760
Speaker 5: lost his mind and was going to lose his job,

1763
01:27:35,120 --> 01:27:37,880
Speaker 5: and he didn't, you know, and Walsh, Walsh, you know,

1764
01:27:37,960 --> 01:27:40,519
Speaker 5: Walsh finally came to the conclusion went, you know, went

1765
01:27:40,600 --> 01:27:43,560
Speaker 5: with Montana, et cetera. But the story I bring that

1766
01:27:43,720 --> 01:27:47,960
Speaker 5: up to you because that is the precarious nature of

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01:27:48,120 --> 01:27:53,120
Speaker 5: this business. So no, I don't see that circumstance happening

1768
01:27:53,439 --> 01:27:56,360
Speaker 5: where these you know, we're a coach of an MVP

1769
01:27:56,640 --> 01:28:01,000
Speaker 5: level quarterback loses his job and then the of John

1770
01:28:01,080 --> 01:28:05,559
Speaker 5: Harbaugh in a Super Bowl win, when Sean McDermott, you've

1771
01:28:05,600 --> 01:28:07,920
Speaker 5: got you know, you've got these playoff appearances, you've got

1772
01:28:08,000 --> 01:28:11,160
Speaker 5: five division championships. You know, as I said, you got

1773
01:28:11,200 --> 01:28:14,519
Speaker 5: those ninety eight regular season wins, eight playoff wins, and

1774
01:28:15,960 --> 01:28:18,960
Speaker 5: but the closest he has come to a Super Bowl

1775
01:28:19,000 --> 01:28:22,560
Speaker 5: as a head coach is two AFC Championship games. So

1776
01:28:23,880 --> 01:28:26,719
Speaker 5: you know, we've reached a point. And I had someone

1777
01:28:27,479 --> 01:28:30,680
Speaker 5: of prominence say this to me, someone who is who

1778
01:28:30,760 --> 01:28:33,200
Speaker 5: is in this league for a long time, said, so

1779
01:28:33,320 --> 01:28:37,320
Speaker 5: what you're what we're saying now as a league is

1780
01:28:37,400 --> 01:28:44,280
Speaker 5: that each year, thirty head coaches suck because only two

1781
01:28:44,680 --> 01:28:47,600
Speaker 5: because only two get to say yep, got up to

1782
01:28:47,720 --> 01:28:50,479
Speaker 5: the Super Bowl. Okay, well what about the thirty other guys?

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01:28:52,400 --> 01:28:54,519
Speaker 3: That's a great point, it is and worse. I mean

1784
01:28:54,760 --> 01:28:59,000
Speaker 3: just when you think about the names and the years, Yeah,

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01:28:59,160 --> 01:29:02,040
Speaker 3: of which these guys coached, and you're talking about Harbaugh

1786
01:29:02,200 --> 01:29:07,000
Speaker 3: was what eighteen, Tomlin nineteen seventeen or nineteen. They were inverted,

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01:29:07,000 --> 01:29:09,360
Speaker 3: I think, but yeah, yeah, just and then now McDermott

1788
01:29:09,439 --> 01:29:12,519
Speaker 3: at nine. It's just it's wild. We saw we were

1789
01:29:12,560 --> 01:29:15,560
Speaker 3: talking earlier. The only two coaches in the AFC that

1790
01:29:15,640 --> 01:29:17,920
Speaker 3: were the coaches of their teams in twenty twenty two

1791
01:29:18,000 --> 01:29:19,519
Speaker 3: are Andy Reid and Zach Taylor.

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01:29:21,760 --> 01:29:24,240
Speaker 5: Zach, of course, that wiley old veteran in charge of

1793
01:29:24,280 --> 01:29:25,120
Speaker 5: the Bank has been in the.

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01:29:25,120 --> 01:29:26,200
Speaker 3: Playoffs in three years.

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01:29:27,800 --> 01:29:30,280
Speaker 5: I mean, yes, he got a super I know, he

1796
01:29:30,400 --> 01:29:33,160
Speaker 5: got them to a Super Bowl, and that's uping and whatever.

1797
01:29:33,320 --> 01:29:37,240
Speaker 5: But no, it's it's insane. And look what is next

1798
01:29:37,280 --> 01:29:41,040
Speaker 5: for Sean. He wants to coach. The situation's got to

1799
01:29:41,040 --> 01:29:43,840
Speaker 5: be right now where what makes sense?

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Speaker 3: And the Ravens.

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01:29:46,640 --> 01:29:49,640
Speaker 5: You know that that's come up. I mean when I

1802
01:29:49,680 --> 01:29:51,800
Speaker 5: say that's come up, that's come up in conversation, I'm

1803
01:29:51,920 --> 01:29:54,760
Speaker 5: that's this is me talking. Sure, Sure, Ravens seems to

1804
01:29:54,840 --> 01:29:58,280
Speaker 5: make sense. I wouldn't be shocked if if, at the

1805
01:29:58,439 --> 01:30:02,840
Speaker 5: very least U Mike Tomlin, who who I'm positive as

1806
01:30:02,880 --> 01:30:06,880
Speaker 5: sitting out this season, but would advise the ruin. You know,

1807
01:30:06,920 --> 01:30:09,759
Speaker 5: the Ruiners are going to have his his certainly his advice,

1808
01:30:10,160 --> 01:30:13,760
Speaker 5: his his knowledge in the building to at least uh

1809
01:30:14,800 --> 01:30:17,320
Speaker 5: counsel them on what to do. Look, he and Sean

1810
01:30:17,680 --> 01:30:19,840
Speaker 5: were teammates at William and Mary. He was a senior

1811
01:30:19,840 --> 01:30:22,400
Speaker 5: at William Mary when Sewan was a freshman. So there's

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01:30:22,479 --> 01:30:25,120
Speaker 5: the tie there. They're very you know, very close and

1813
01:30:25,280 --> 01:30:30,759
Speaker 5: highly respected. Now and i'd see him, I'd see Sean

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01:30:30,880 --> 01:30:35,479
Speaker 5: sticking with a head coaching opportunity versus what I've also heard. Well,

1815
01:30:35,560 --> 01:30:38,600
Speaker 5: maybe he goes to the Ravens and he's Harbaugh's d C.

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01:30:38,960 --> 01:30:41,599
Speaker 5: I don't know that he's necessarily do it that. Look,

1817
01:30:41,640 --> 01:30:45,360
Speaker 5: they're close, they work together in Philly when when Harball

1818
01:30:45,439 --> 01:30:47,840
Speaker 5: was a special teams coach and sewn Uh, you know,

1819
01:30:48,040 --> 01:30:50,040
Speaker 5: was was an up and coming DB's coach and then

1820
01:30:50,080 --> 01:30:54,080
Speaker 5: eventually a defensive coordinator. But I don't necessarily see that,

1821
01:30:54,600 --> 01:30:57,840
Speaker 5: but I do think that. And then here's the other one,

1822
01:30:57,880 --> 01:31:01,519
Speaker 5: the wild card is does the college game presents something

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01:31:01,640 --> 01:31:05,719
Speaker 5: because Shawn's nature and what college coaches are getting paid,

1824
01:31:05,760 --> 01:31:09,280
Speaker 5: and you see what Kurt Signetti, who may Kurt Signetti

1825
01:31:09,320 --> 01:31:14,160
Speaker 5: who stands as perhaps the example of you know, a

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01:31:14,360 --> 01:31:17,960
Speaker 5: nobs kind of guy. It's very similar to what Seawn

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01:31:18,080 --> 01:31:21,240
Speaker 5: is frankly in building a programmer. There is that more

1828
01:31:21,360 --> 01:31:25,080
Speaker 5: doable in the college game than the NFL game. But

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01:31:25,479 --> 01:31:27,960
Speaker 5: the last I checked the college game, there's probably a

1830
01:31:28,000 --> 01:31:31,600
Speaker 5: lot of college presidents and you don't want that to

1831
01:31:31,720 --> 01:31:34,360
Speaker 5: say you didn't deliver a national championship. You're out.

1832
01:31:34,640 --> 01:31:36,800
Speaker 3: You know he's got rules in the NFL. There are

1833
01:31:36,800 --> 01:31:38,519
Speaker 3: no rules in college. Vick. You don't want that. And

1834
01:31:38,760 --> 01:31:40,840
Speaker 3: we love you, buddy, thank you so much for being

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01:31:41,120 --> 01:31:41,680
Speaker 3: on with us.

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01:31:41,800 --> 01:31:44,720
Speaker 5: Appreciate you, love you, Love you guys to see you.

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