WEBVTT - Ep62: Feminism And Kanye Feat Jamilah Lemieux

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<v Speaker 1>to another episode Guys of Horrible decisions. This is a

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<v Speaker 1>girl Mandy B and girl super hot girl. We are

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<v Speaker 1>joined by such a beautiful woman. I've been talking her

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<v Speaker 1>on Instagram. I've been like, can you come this week?

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<v Speaker 1>Can you come this week? Can you come to se

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<v Speaker 1>And finally we got her in, so can you buy?

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<v Speaker 1>Let's just started off with that. Do you like women? Look?

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<v Speaker 1>Here we go? Can you stop throwing your pussy to

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<v Speaker 1>everybody I'm throwing I'm trying to look out for you.

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<v Speaker 1>I got this. You ain't gotta word about me, You

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<v Speaker 1>ain't gotta word my emoji game strong under them pictures.

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<v Speaker 1>But do you want to go ahead and introduce yourself

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<v Speaker 1>to our listeners and let them know who you are

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<v Speaker 1>and what you do? Sure? Hillou know, my name is

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<v Speaker 1>Jimmie little mu Um. I'm a writer and a cultural

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<v Speaker 1>critic and VP of programming. What's a cultural touch critic?

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<v Speaker 1>Cultural credit? So she canceled people, That's what Van later

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<v Speaker 1>was like. So she basically canceled. Van always says, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, I actually don't. I'm always doing like that.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't canceled like, well, we canceled Kanye. But it's

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<v Speaker 1>like you it has to be like it's just like,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, So there's like she's like, Jamala, Okay, Jamila,

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<v Speaker 1>what you're about to say about Kanye? You're telling me

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<v Speaker 1>that everybody knows how much I love him? You about

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<v Speaker 1>tell me were not canceled this because still listen. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what. You don't like the word woke, But

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<v Speaker 1>I was trying to tell you I do hate the word.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's embarrassing. He say, why she not canceling Kanye?

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<v Speaker 1>So think back to what years in school? Right? You

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<v Speaker 1>like high school? You get like a detention, you get

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<v Speaker 1>maybe get a warning, you get attention, you get into suspension,

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<v Speaker 1>get out of school suspension. Then you get expelled, right

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<v Speaker 1>So like she said, you skipp into the expulsion too quick.

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<v Speaker 1>So no, no, no, no no, So I wouldn't say

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<v Speaker 1>that he's expelled, but he got to be at a

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<v Speaker 1>whole other school for a minute, and maybe he can

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<v Speaker 1>come back. Like he's not done forever. But like you

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<v Speaker 1>got a lie, you gotta do summer school, you gotta

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<v Speaker 1>do exact, taken to jail, You smoke weed outside, You

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<v Speaker 1>go to jail for a few days, maybe get a ticket,

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<v Speaker 1>you kill somebody. We ain't never gonna see you again.

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<v Speaker 1>This motherfucker said slavery was a choice? Are we not done? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm done. I'm done with I guess with the asterisk

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<v Speaker 1>by it that like if you came back and said

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<v Speaker 1>everything I said was wrong, I was fucked up on

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<v Speaker 1>cocaine or I was I suspect. You know, I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>making any allegations. I'm just saying that his speech patterns

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<v Speaker 1>are like that. This episode is coming out on What

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<v Speaker 1>Made fourteen? So who knows what else do right by now?

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<v Speaker 1>But I don't know if you're a listener of the show,

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<v Speaker 1>But I am obsessed with Kanye right me and Alex

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<v Speaker 1>both we went to a fucking Kanye art show on

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<v Speaker 1>Saturday right before he said that slavery was a choice.

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<v Speaker 1>Thing thought. I thought you were getting ready to say,

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<v Speaker 1>you're not. You can't cancel him, you can't cancel I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not even gonna lie. I thought she was going to

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<v Speaker 1>be super like I know Kanye did this, but four Kanye,

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<v Speaker 1>because she's upset so much easy Verge. I cut it

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<v Speaker 1>up on live I said that was one of those

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<v Speaker 1>who videotaped themselves crying on Instagram. I'm gonna tell you

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<v Speaker 1>what I didn't because I'm not a hype beast, but

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not about to sit here and wear that make

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<v Speaker 1>America again. And everybody knows I have mad easy ship

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<v Speaker 1>on my page and I don't ever want to be

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<v Speaker 1>associated with it again. So whether it's called a hype

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<v Speaker 1>beast or not, I'll jump on the team of not

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<v Speaker 1>working with Trump and fucking with black people and there

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<v Speaker 1>I don't funk with him at all right now. Like

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<v Speaker 1>I only like he can come back if he appolot.

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<v Speaker 1>He has to say everything I said was wrong. Here's

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<v Speaker 1>how you know whether it's just I was wrong or

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<v Speaker 1>something was wrong with me. But you have to like

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<v Speaker 1>disavove but the narcissist. So I don't think that narcissists

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<v Speaker 1>admit to be. He tried to red nig you know

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<v Speaker 1>what I'm saying once Van called him out, which is

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<v Speaker 1>why I kind of upset me when I just got it.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you see the video after and it was like,

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't matter, you needed to say something to me.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know who really pissed me off, the black

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<v Speaker 1>dude with the dreads from jams TMZ Charles. His face

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<v Speaker 1>should have been a fucking meme. Yeah it wasn't. You

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<v Speaker 1>should have jumped and you sat here with y'all black

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<v Speaker 1>ass and let him do the ship? Don't how many

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<v Speaker 1>white people watch TMZ? Do you know any white people

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<v Speaker 1>can't wait to fucking say? I mean, dude, even Kanye said,

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<v Speaker 1>you guys just I was sitting there like where's Van?

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<v Speaker 1>Because I didn't know, like I have been offline for

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<v Speaker 1>a while, so maybe it had been up for like

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<v Speaker 1>an hour before I saw it, So like I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>watching Harvey and you know, and and Charles and Kanye,

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<v Speaker 1>and just like I said, wait, I'm looking at I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, you're not going to react, like you're not, like,

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<v Speaker 1>why are you not? Like matter? He's black, right, he's blind.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's an interview and you have to realize, although

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<v Speaker 1>we like cutting motherfucker's off, you gotta let people talk.

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<v Speaker 1>Otherwise they wouldn't have gotten what they got from Kanye

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<v Speaker 1>had he interrupted him, Okay, had like Kanye shoot himself

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<v Speaker 1>and the fan wasn't more um what passed around clip

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<v Speaker 1>than the rest of the ship was Van going off,

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<v Speaker 1>more people talking about that, I guess he would have

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<v Speaker 1>got that go ahead. What did you guys see how

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<v Speaker 1>they cut it up? Though? Yeah, that's what it is yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>But when he said the um slavery was a choice.

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<v Speaker 1>In the longer version, he clarifies mental enslavement. Stop stops.

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<v Speaker 1>You're telling me how do you get mentally enslaved? Do

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<v Speaker 1>you think they did that by choice? By sitting there

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<v Speaker 1>and watching people revolt and then then they caught slaves

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<v Speaker 1>and raped and killed them and sucked their wives in

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<v Speaker 1>front of people. Do you think we mentally were just

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<v Speaker 1>We could have broke free from that, but that was

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<v Speaker 1>a choice. Did you see the Charlemagne Charlomagne? That's what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm saying. He speaks about it. I read no, I

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<v Speaker 1>read the clothes, and it's still the word choice. Why

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<v Speaker 1>would you do it again? Why would he say it again? Slavery?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, like we're not talking about like being captured, right,

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<v Speaker 1>We're not talking about like what could you have done

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<v Speaker 1>at the point where they showed up? You know what

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<v Speaker 1>I mean? You're saying like people that were here, we're

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to in a foreign land where they don't know

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<v Speaker 1>how many white people they're surrounded by, they don't know

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<v Speaker 1>what they mean, They can't like religion is sitting there

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<v Speaker 1>telling you don't understand anything. These are people that are uneducated.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's not talk about you know, we're not not educated,

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<v Speaker 1>but they could not speak the language of this land,

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<v Speaker 1>and they didn't know this, you know what I mean

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of what they You weren't educated enough to

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<v Speaker 1>know what to do. I mean, we can all agree

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<v Speaker 1>with that, right, I mean, sure, it's not like they

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<v Speaker 1>weren't capable of that. But when you're literally kept from

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<v Speaker 1>learning how to read, how can you formulate any how

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<v Speaker 1>can you formulate this plane to leave without being scared?

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<v Speaker 1>And many of them did, you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 1>Like there was they were and they were met with violence.

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<v Speaker 1>Like for every Harriet Tubman, there scores other that tries,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like they're the idea that we were just

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<v Speaker 1>happy on the plane. You know, I'm happy in the house,

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<v Speaker 1>so I'm happy on the plantation, or like, well it's

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<v Speaker 1>just sad, we're just gonna be. That's not who our

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<v Speaker 1>people were. And I just hate anytime somebody and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>obviously Kanye does it on a way worse level, but

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<v Speaker 1>just you know, even hearing kids talk sometimes like there's

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<v Speaker 1>there's some shame around slavery and we should be embarrassed,

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<v Speaker 1>but we think of them. It's just like victims. But

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, no, you you didn't die, like enough of

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<v Speaker 1>you survived that we're here, We're still here, like y'all

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<v Speaker 1>were heroes. Like the numbers. You don't think about the numbers.

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<v Speaker 1>I swear to God, let me tell you how hard

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<v Speaker 1>it was from I have sold to pay for a

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<v Speaker 1>Kanye concert when I was in college. So you guys

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<v Speaker 1>maybe can't understand. I mean, if you listen, you know

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<v Speaker 1>how much I love Kanye. But I've used my money

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<v Speaker 1>to fucking support this motherfucker's so giving up my things

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<v Speaker 1>to support him. Do you know what I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>right now? I'm so embarrassed. I had no choice but

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<v Speaker 1>to be a fucking hype piast, so you say, and

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<v Speaker 1>cut up ship and asked for a dick sucking squad

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<v Speaker 1>for for Van because he does. I almost thought when

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<v Speaker 1>I saw that Kanye clip, I was like, I can't

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<v Speaker 1>funk my boys. I was never like a huge fan

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<v Speaker 1>of Kanye, so it didn't like resonate to me the same.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, of course what he said, definitely, I was

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<v Speaker 1>just like this motherfucker, but I was never that much

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<v Speaker 1>of a fan. Like to me, if Jake Cole would

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<v Speaker 1>have came out and said some like this it hurts,

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<v Speaker 1>so I can I guess I can see. But I

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<v Speaker 1>think Jake Hoole is way more woke than that. But Jack,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, but I think you know. And I'm from Chicago,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I know like I am, and so I

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<v Speaker 1>have like I have a certain The first time I

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<v Speaker 1>saw big Men to perform, he was in high school,

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<v Speaker 1>like it was a south By Southwest because he was

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<v Speaker 1>in this band called Kids these Days, and so they're like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm in my mid twenties and he was like eighteen somewhere,

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<v Speaker 1>an interesting kid I've never I don't know him, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>but we have people in common. But he just reminds

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<v Speaker 1>me so much of the neighborhood where we grew up.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, people think that there's something we're going on, Like, no,

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<v Speaker 1>he is such a high park as artsy boy, Like

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<v Speaker 1>he is exactly creative. I got a thing for creatives

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<v Speaker 1>right now. Like I've just realized that every guy I

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<v Speaker 1>deal with this like covered with tattoos and can't really

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<v Speaker 1>speak very well. But um, anyways, we're gonna tattoos can't

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<v Speaker 1>talk shi. So what we like to do when we

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<v Speaker 1>have guests, Um, and we haven't done this in a

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<v Speaker 1>while because y'all have been having all these episodes with

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<v Speaker 1>just me wheezy. But we do icebreakers. So with icebreakers,

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<v Speaker 1>we kind of like to break the ice. Um and

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<v Speaker 1>so fuck you, I didn't know do it we do

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<v Speaker 1>because that was not implied. Fuck you? Um, we liked.

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<v Speaker 1>What we're gonna do this episode is we're gonna have

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<v Speaker 1>two questions for would you rather? Um? So the first

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<v Speaker 1>question being that we are all women, and this is

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<v Speaker 1>a conversation we haven't yet really had on the show.

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to ask, would you rather get come in

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<v Speaker 1>your hair after you just finished styling it? Or right

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<v Speaker 1>in your eye? And I know this is the point

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<v Speaker 1>for black girls. We don't like it not half sucked up?

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<v Speaker 1>You would do hair over your eye? Well, I guess

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<v Speaker 1>I makes it ever had to come in your eye?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it makes it like a pink eye. But

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<v Speaker 1>you could say pink eye, You got pink I if

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<v Speaker 1>it's I want to look contagious, or just get you

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<v Speaker 1>get flakes like white flakes? If that coan? You can

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<v Speaker 1>that mean getting my hair? Weghing really the greatest tragedy

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<v Speaker 1>so freshly, But I mean I have natural hair, so

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<v Speaker 1>like even freshly style. It's like so, I mean, I

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<v Speaker 1>guess okay, So if I got it pressed out, pressed out,

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<v Speaker 1>I still don't want in my eye like you said,

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<v Speaker 1>like if you got a pink guy, dude, have you salt?

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<v Speaker 1>I've never had it, and I mean, come that I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just swallowing. Don't taste like nothing. So I don't think

0:12:18.400 --> 0:12:21.400
<v Speaker 1>he come would taste like anything. But it's still is

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<v Speaker 1>there a lot of salt in it? If it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>take my eyes, I don't want anything in my eye period. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so we're taking the hair. I'd rather you come on

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<v Speaker 1>my shirt and I'd have to wear a stain for

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of the day that you come in my eye.

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<v Speaker 1>People like, damn, you got pink. I no, it's just coming.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. You don't say it's gonna be like damn, man,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's contagious, pink, contous. Okay, okay, nigg is come

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<v Speaker 1>in our hair, don't come in our eye. You said,

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<v Speaker 1>what's a great question, what's the problem. I was really

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<v Speaker 1>thinking about my hair being done because I used to

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<v Speaker 1>be one of those like my hair done, what you're doing,

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<v Speaker 1>calm down, just put a hair bad on. You got

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<v Speaker 1>sunglasses inside like it's a little fright. I gotta put

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<v Speaker 1>a shower cap on that when I fun, bitch, you

0:13:10.440 --> 0:13:16.559
<v Speaker 1>asked him niggas to aim. Okay, okay, sometimes you're on.

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<v Speaker 1>If you can't get it, you're only gonna get titties.

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<v Speaker 1>If you want faith, you beat below the brow. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. So this is my next question, Um, would

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<v Speaker 1>you rather date someone who takes five seconds to come

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<v Speaker 1>or who takes at least five hours to come? And

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<v Speaker 1>I asked because I just had this talk on my

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<v Speaker 1>Instagram life and um, so for the people that don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>I've been working with the same guy since November, just

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<v Speaker 1>recently had new dick, um, and that new Dick took

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<v Speaker 1>forty minutes in real life to come. And I was,

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<v Speaker 1>this isn't sex minutes, this is real life minutes. So

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<v Speaker 1>in six minutes it felt like five hours. Um, And

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<v Speaker 1>I just was really just like, I think I would

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<v Speaker 1>kind of rather nigga come fast than do like it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a lot. So I wanted to know what you

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<v Speaker 1>guys want, would y'all Rather than they can take a

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<v Speaker 1>long time to come or come fast, I'm gonna go

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<v Speaker 1>fast and just do something else. Well, yeah, so like

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<v Speaker 1>fast if he can get it back up again, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>because the thing is like, I'm thirty three, so like

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<v Speaker 1>my sex drive is really high, you know, and like

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<v Speaker 1>and there. I love how she threw that in there.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's very you heard them. I'm beautiful. I'm a

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<v Speaker 1>VP right right, Well, I'm most perfect, but I have

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<v Speaker 1>a kid. Sorry, I'm just kidding. That makes me more. Actually,

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<v Speaker 1>I just sucked somebody baby mama, so I think I'm

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<v Speaker 1>down for Why are you get that? I know I

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<v Speaker 1>said on a recent episode. I didn't. I don't like

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<v Speaker 1>sucking um girl women who have kids, she would mean,

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<v Speaker 1>but but I didn't. Just suck someone with kids and

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<v Speaker 1>it was fine, So I think I changed my mind.

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<v Speaker 1>Girl might want to wait, fans made what are you single? Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>I am. I thought she was working on fans. You

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<v Speaker 1>better because I'm on this already, So back up. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not not saying anyone, but I'm not in an exclusive relationship.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. The best way to say so, both of you,

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<v Speaker 1>both of y'all say though you would rather a nigga

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<v Speaker 1>come fast thing, Well, if he can't the thing, if

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<v Speaker 1>he can, if he can get back up, if it's

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<v Speaker 1>just like who I'm tired that a lot of them

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<v Speaker 1>are like that. So like the long thing, it went

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<v Speaker 1>like I like to have sex for a long time.

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<v Speaker 1>It wouldn't bother me. That breaks, you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 1>Playing between we can watch watching the Marrow and then fun.

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<v Speaker 1>That's my routine right now. Well he came like so

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<v Speaker 1>the guy that I was working like, he had me

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<v Speaker 1>in every position, like to where he had me ride

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<v Speaker 1>dick like for different ways. Was it the first time

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<v Speaker 1>you have text? Um, don't bring this up. It wasn't.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't ask you because maybe he was trying to

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<v Speaker 1>press you know, we eight years ago, but you know

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<v Speaker 1>long ago. He don't. He didn't remember. We ain't remember. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I remember sucking, but I didn't bring it up because

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<v Speaker 1>the first time it happened. Why was he trying to

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<v Speaker 1>impress me? It's the first time? Well, I don't think so,

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<v Speaker 1>because we know. You know why I want to say this?

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<v Speaker 1>Can you know why I want to say this? No?

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<v Speaker 1>Real quick, there is no impressing when we sucked three times,

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<v Speaker 1>So I ended up saying at his house for like

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<v Speaker 1>damn near twenty four hours. We sucked three times. Each

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<v Speaker 1>time we sucked those three times, he lasted the same

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<v Speaker 1>amount of time. I then went over his house two

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<v Speaker 1>days later and we sucked again, and then had a threesome.

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<v Speaker 1>And when we had the threesome, he lasted the same

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<v Speaker 1>amount of time. Then we sucked in the morning. He

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<v Speaker 1>his baby mama. But we're not gonna talk. Why do

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<v Speaker 1>we This is than a fucking religios dude, only the section?

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry it just can you interview with me? Story? So

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<v Speaker 1>this is the nigga? Why up to the block that

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<v Speaker 1>motherfucker out? Don't bring up all the details? Bro? Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So you feel does he now know that he sucked

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<v Speaker 1>you eight years ago? Because I didn't bring up the

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<v Speaker 1>last time because it wasn't a good run. We didn't

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<v Speaker 1>have a podcast. M hm. No, I don't know. But

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<v Speaker 1>she was their relationship. Um, he's she's his first baby mama.

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<v Speaker 1>We're not going to talk about the amount that he has.

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<v Speaker 1>Can y'all not judge me? But yeah, he's she's his

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<v Speaker 1>first baby mama. Um. And yeah they have a few

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<v Speaker 1>kids together. But they're no longer together. Girl, Please, No,

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<v Speaker 1>they're not any longer together together enough they're still they'll

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<v Speaker 1>have sex. I mean, I don't know how often. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think it was. He sucked you two days before

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<v Speaker 1>his eight MoMA and she was that down. They still

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<v Speaker 1>don't ny I wouldn't care. I mean, she's not the

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<v Speaker 1>plus one you are, Yeah, but actually I didn't feel

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<v Speaker 1>that way. So he didn't kiss her or eat her

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<v Speaker 1>pussy the whole time, but he kissed me, and which

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<v Speaker 1>made me kind of feel uncomfortable really because I thought

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<v Speaker 1>I was the plus one, but I didn't feel like

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<v Speaker 1>the plus one at all. And when he had talked

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<v Speaker 1>about his relationship with her, I don't think like he

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<v Speaker 1>would never be back with the intimacy. Wasn't there that

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<v Speaker 1>I would have expected to be there if I was

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<v Speaker 1>the plus one. So I mean it was fun well

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<v Speaker 1>for y'all because y'all looking ready? What did you say?

0:18:17.600 --> 0:18:19.600
<v Speaker 1>Because I wanted a three cements so I've been wanting

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<v Speaker 1>the three three to her too. She was very pretty.

0:18:22.320 --> 0:18:23.560
<v Speaker 1>I mean I didn't know what she looked like until

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<v Speaker 1>they came and picked me up in real life. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't even ask for a picture because he, like you

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<v Speaker 1>on Instagram? Was good? Shut the fuck up? No, it

0:18:34.800 --> 0:18:36.800
<v Speaker 1>was fun. You know what this is? This is man

0:18:37.440 --> 0:18:39.000
<v Speaker 1>mad weight. She want to show that body. You know

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<v Speaker 1>you do and this is very like I just got it,

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<v Speaker 1>like whoever wants to see Well, I've been so so

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<v Speaker 1>this is the thing that knew me for show, bitch,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to get some out. But um no, I've

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<v Speaker 1>been wanting to have a threesome with seven but the

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<v Speaker 1>last time I had I'm not emotional. Bit The problem

0:19:01.200 --> 0:19:04.040
<v Speaker 1>is he wants me to bring in a girl. The

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<v Speaker 1>last time that I brought one of my friends into

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<v Speaker 1>a threesome with this nigga who was dropping that fire

0:19:08.119 --> 0:19:11.000
<v Speaker 1>as dick, she like went behind my back on the

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<v Speaker 1>Instagram and they that matter. She no, because that's my dick, bitch.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why I don't want my friends like at the

0:19:20.480 --> 0:19:22.480
<v Speaker 1>time she was a close friend. So I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>my friends sucking my consistent dick, especially when you're local. No,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not's not me being emotional at all. This is

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<v Speaker 1>my dick, and you know that this is who I

0:19:32.560 --> 0:19:34.720
<v Speaker 1>have consistently. Not only that, I don't want to bring

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<v Speaker 1>in a local bitch because then she may be starting

0:19:36.600 --> 0:19:38.600
<v Speaker 1>to take I don't need my days taken away from

0:19:38.640 --> 0:19:44.280
<v Speaker 1>me like no, so that but it was a good point.

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<v Speaker 1>Fuck you. I don't let's get back to the baby

0:19:46.640 --> 0:19:49.959
<v Speaker 1>mama drama. It's no, I'm not gonna. Don't you want

0:19:49.960 --> 0:19:56.399
<v Speaker 1>to hear them up because I don't only because I

0:19:56.520 --> 0:19:58.280
<v Speaker 1>had I don't you know, I don't like those terms.

0:19:58.320 --> 0:20:00.040
<v Speaker 1>But I have a baby daddy, and I like, I

0:20:00.119 --> 0:20:02.760
<v Speaker 1>adore him. We have a wonderful relationship. He's married. I love,

0:20:03.119 --> 0:20:05.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, his wife. She and I have gay friends.

0:20:05.920 --> 0:20:08.600
<v Speaker 1>I could not fathom, even if she were in the picture,

0:20:08.680 --> 0:20:12.040
<v Speaker 1>wanting to like, we're just so not that that's that's why.

0:20:12.440 --> 0:20:14.240
<v Speaker 1>Well she loved his dick. It was it was good.

0:20:14.560 --> 0:20:17.320
<v Speaker 1>I can't even hold you like if me and say

0:20:17.920 --> 0:20:19.720
<v Speaker 1>seven were to have kids and we're not together, that

0:20:19.800 --> 0:20:22.720
<v Speaker 1>dick is so baby mama. Before he picked you up, Yeah,

0:20:22.840 --> 0:20:26.959
<v Speaker 1>he told me his baby mama. I trusted him. I said, well,

0:20:26.960 --> 0:20:29.000
<v Speaker 1>she looked like she said, she's pretty well long hair.

0:20:29.040 --> 0:20:34.720
<v Speaker 1>I said, okay, I didn't. And I don't know how

0:20:35.920 --> 0:20:38.280
<v Speaker 1>it was fun. I just like it just happened out

0:20:38.320 --> 0:20:41.440
<v Speaker 1>his sister wives. I wouldn't mind that situation. He got,

0:20:42.080 --> 0:20:44.919
<v Speaker 1>he got money, we're rich. How many guest passes they

0:20:44.960 --> 0:20:50.280
<v Speaker 1>got to the games. This is what I'll be talking

0:20:50.320 --> 0:20:55.240
<v Speaker 1>about in season. We're not worried about guest passes. Um. Anyways,

0:20:55.680 --> 0:20:58.520
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna go ahead and get into our finilship for

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<v Speaker 1>this episode. Y'all ship, y'all really are just not shipped

0:21:01.880 --> 0:21:07.040
<v Speaker 1>like and you know it was. I had a great time.

0:21:07.240 --> 0:21:12.760
<v Speaker 1>Um fuck y'all sit my god damn smoothie. Um. Anyways, guys,

0:21:12.920 --> 0:21:15.040
<v Speaker 1>so we're gonna go onto our vanilla ship. As you

0:21:15.080 --> 0:21:17.960
<v Speaker 1>guys know, we choose an article, um and which talks

0:21:18.000 --> 0:21:20.960
<v Speaker 1>about some things that are going on and you know,

0:21:21.160 --> 0:21:23.040
<v Speaker 1>god damn society. Sometimes it has to do with sex,

0:21:23.119 --> 0:21:26.720
<v Speaker 1>sometimes it doesn't. This specific one because we have another

0:21:26.840 --> 0:21:28.640
<v Speaker 1>woman in the house and we haven't had a woman

0:21:28.720 --> 0:21:30.600
<v Speaker 1>guest in a while, have we Not that I can

0:21:30.640 --> 0:21:34.520
<v Speaker 1>email guests, we just literally had, did we Yeah, Jesse,

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<v Speaker 1>oh okay, we were we were okay, but those were

0:21:38.119 --> 0:21:40.600
<v Speaker 1>okay with both of us. So, UM, I wanted to

0:21:40.640 --> 0:21:42.960
<v Speaker 1>bring this up. We haven't really had the discussion about it,

0:21:43.000 --> 0:21:45.800
<v Speaker 1>and a lot of our listeners say that we dropped

0:21:45.800 --> 0:21:48.600
<v Speaker 1>the ball in by not discussing it. So I kind

0:21:48.600 --> 0:21:50.600
<v Speaker 1>of wanted to bring up this topic. Um. It is

0:21:50.640 --> 0:21:53.000
<v Speaker 1>about the me too movement. Um. We kind of talked

0:21:53.040 --> 0:21:56.360
<v Speaker 1>about this a little bit before, so Russell Simmons. As

0:21:56.440 --> 0:22:00.560
<v Speaker 1>you guys know, he recently UM was char with a

0:22:00.680 --> 0:22:04.439
<v Speaker 1>sexual assault allegation. UM. And it's odd because he has

0:22:04.520 --> 0:22:08.520
<v Speaker 1>come forth issuing statements that he's now supporting the me

0:22:08.640 --> 0:22:12.479
<v Speaker 1>too movement? Can you turn this off? Oh, she has

0:22:12.520 --> 0:22:16.480
<v Speaker 1>a vibrator going on, bro, It's a vibrator that she

0:22:16.520 --> 0:22:19.960
<v Speaker 1>hasn't used yet. UM. Anyway, So I wanted to kind

0:22:20.000 --> 0:22:22.800
<v Speaker 1>of have the discussion with you guys if you feel

0:22:22.960 --> 0:22:26.800
<v Speaker 1>that a guy who has sexually assaulted a female in

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<v Speaker 1>any way possible, UM, if he can kind of support

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<v Speaker 1>this type of movement or what what do you think

0:22:33.200 --> 0:22:35.440
<v Speaker 1>of a guy who does no. I mean, this isn't

0:22:35.560 --> 0:22:39.080
<v Speaker 1>like this is like George Zimmerman coming out for Black

0:22:39.160 --> 0:22:43.320
<v Speaker 1>Lives Matter, you know what I'm saying. It's because he's like,

0:22:43.400 --> 0:22:45.160
<v Speaker 1>we're in the middle of it. We're not talking about

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<v Speaker 1>years later. I've been in therapy because that was the

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<v Speaker 1>story investigations. I think it's it's almost a UM. I

0:22:56.040 --> 0:22:57.879
<v Speaker 1>don't know if like his PR team made him do

0:22:58.000 --> 0:23:02.919
<v Speaker 1>something like this. Every big mockery out of these women, absolutely,

0:23:02.960 --> 0:23:04.880
<v Speaker 1>and just the moment and just that you think you're

0:23:04.920 --> 0:23:07.600
<v Speaker 1>so arrogant to think that you're a necessary voice right now.

0:23:08.240 --> 0:23:11.120
<v Speaker 1>I think the thing is he would have he played himself,

0:23:11.359 --> 0:23:13.800
<v Speaker 1>because early on, when the allegations started, you know, the

0:23:13.880 --> 0:23:16.840
<v Speaker 1>first two, he responds with like, you know, I'm sorry

0:23:16.960 --> 0:23:19.080
<v Speaker 1>for anyone that I've heard, you know, basically kind of

0:23:19.119 --> 0:23:21.359
<v Speaker 1>like I never thought i'd done something like this, but

0:23:21.640 --> 0:23:24.359
<v Speaker 1>I was young, I drugs. I'm a very different person now,

0:23:24.440 --> 0:23:27.399
<v Speaker 1>So anyone who I may have heard unintentionally blah blah blah,

0:23:27.720 --> 0:23:30.639
<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry. And so then as the allegations started piling up,

0:23:30.720 --> 0:23:32.880
<v Speaker 1>that's when he's like he tried to do the hashtag

0:23:32.960 --> 0:23:37.040
<v Speaker 1>not me remember, and he believe any social for a minute,

0:23:37.080 --> 0:23:39.320
<v Speaker 1>like all his accounts were because it was really quick,

0:23:39.400 --> 0:23:41.359
<v Speaker 1>because he had a whole like and as soon as

0:23:41.400 --> 0:23:43.960
<v Speaker 1>he had accuses, he like stepped down from his position.

0:23:44.560 --> 0:23:49.159
<v Speaker 1>That was also a pr was like, you're taking this

0:23:49.320 --> 0:23:51.120
<v Speaker 1>break from your you know, you can't be a public

0:23:51.160 --> 0:23:53.240
<v Speaker 1>figure right now. You can't be leaving these companies. You're

0:23:53.240 --> 0:23:55.120
<v Speaker 1>gonna go work on you and figure this stuff out.

0:23:55.240 --> 0:23:57.320
<v Speaker 1>And then as they started to come on, I guess

0:23:57.359 --> 0:24:00.200
<v Speaker 1>after a while he was like, no, not all of

0:24:00.240 --> 0:24:02.320
<v Speaker 1>these people are telling the truth, and I want to,

0:24:02.520 --> 0:24:04.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, tell hi outside of the story, not me,

0:24:05.600 --> 0:24:08.000
<v Speaker 1>you know. And then he started to kind of imply

0:24:08.119 --> 0:24:10.800
<v Speaker 1>that he hadn't really done anything too wrong to anyone.

0:24:10.960 --> 0:24:12.960
<v Speaker 1>It just it was a bad one. Like I feel

0:24:13.000 --> 0:24:14.920
<v Speaker 1>like he might have been going without his PR team

0:24:15.000 --> 0:24:17.520
<v Speaker 1>before and now there might be someone trying to help

0:24:18.280 --> 0:24:21.399
<v Speaker 1>that out a bit. But I just it's you know,

0:24:21.720 --> 0:24:23.600
<v Speaker 1>what he needs to do right now is sit down,

0:24:23.760 --> 0:24:30.280
<v Speaker 1>be quiet, um, get some help for things. And I

0:24:30.359 --> 0:24:33.280
<v Speaker 1>think it's crazy too because he is a man who

0:24:33.400 --> 0:24:37.639
<v Speaker 1>has two daughters or maybe is it three. I mean,

0:24:37.680 --> 0:24:41.920
<v Speaker 1>he has a lot of kids. I don't think well

0:24:42.160 --> 0:24:44.119
<v Speaker 1>for him to have daughters. And I say that because

0:24:44.160 --> 0:24:46.800
<v Speaker 1>he actually brought up his daughters in a post in

0:24:46.960 --> 0:24:49.800
<v Speaker 1>saying this, Um, he said, shout out to black women

0:24:49.920 --> 0:24:52.879
<v Speaker 1>just because um. He paid tribute to black women who

0:24:53.000 --> 0:24:55.960
<v Speaker 1>have bared the biggest burden and the unequal treatment of

0:24:56.040 --> 0:24:59.120
<v Speaker 1>women of all races and religions, and suggested that without

0:24:59.160 --> 0:25:03.640
<v Speaker 1>guidance from the family enforces, then men will destroy the planet. Right,

0:25:03.880 --> 0:25:08.000
<v Speaker 1>it's just right wire you talking that a few weeks ago,

0:25:08.600 --> 0:25:12.600
<v Speaker 1>So shut up. It's just that's your take on this.

0:25:12.680 --> 0:25:14.840
<v Speaker 1>Do you feel do you feel like maybe it's something

0:25:14.880 --> 0:25:18.040
<v Speaker 1>that he just shouldn't even be talking about Yes, yes, agreed, right,

0:25:18.600 --> 0:25:21.119
<v Speaker 1>you shouldn't be talking Can you just imagine It's like

0:25:22.119 --> 0:25:24.680
<v Speaker 1>Snoop Dogg starts telling us, like from a from a

0:25:24.800 --> 0:25:27.800
<v Speaker 1>lighter scale, starts telling us that weed is bad for you.

0:25:31.080 --> 0:25:33.160
<v Speaker 1>I should not let's talk about snows for a minute

0:25:33.200 --> 0:25:37.960
<v Speaker 1>because wait, the Snoop allegations against him. No, but but

0:25:41.760 --> 0:25:43.880
<v Speaker 1>and I know I'm a little bit older, thank you all.

0:25:44.080 --> 0:25:47.200
<v Speaker 1>But like I remember Snoop at the MTV Awards with

0:25:47.280 --> 0:25:52.480
<v Speaker 1>the two women on chains like dogs write like you know,

0:25:53.320 --> 0:25:56.600
<v Speaker 1>was known as a pimp right like during his and

0:25:56.640 --> 0:25:58.119
<v Speaker 1>has talked about it because I remember he did, like

0:25:58.160 --> 0:26:00.240
<v Speaker 1>girls can a lot of stuff and I'm not saying

0:26:00.280 --> 0:26:01.959
<v Speaker 1>that that, I'm not criticizing it might not have been

0:26:02.000 --> 0:26:03.600
<v Speaker 1>girls going well, but he did some sort of porn

0:26:03.680 --> 0:26:06.840
<v Speaker 1>kind of where he was hosting not you know, and

0:26:06.920 --> 0:26:09.320
<v Speaker 1>I'm not judging that stuff. But I remember him talking

0:26:09.400 --> 0:26:11.720
<v Speaker 1>about pamping, you know, and so I'm like, if you

0:26:11.840 --> 0:26:14.560
<v Speaker 1>were actually an active pamp to things that you did

0:26:14.640 --> 0:26:17.399
<v Speaker 1>to women and girls, you don't have any row. And

0:26:17.480 --> 0:26:19.439
<v Speaker 1>he and I know that he's been going in on Kanye.

0:26:19.520 --> 0:26:21.600
<v Speaker 1>I know that he's had this kind of race consciousness

0:26:21.640 --> 0:26:23.879
<v Speaker 1>things going for a while, and I appreciate that, but

0:26:23.920 --> 0:26:25.280
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, where are you going to deal with your

0:26:25.320 --> 0:26:28.000
<v Speaker 1>gender stuff? You know, like when are you like, like,

0:26:28.080 --> 0:26:29.679
<v Speaker 1>when are we going to talk about that? Make them?

0:26:29.800 --> 0:26:31.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying like Sloop you have to be canceled

0:26:31.920 --> 0:26:34.960
<v Speaker 1>forever because at this point, look you're doing a cooking

0:26:35.000 --> 0:26:37.320
<v Speaker 1>show with Martha Stewart, Like there's no there's also something

0:26:37.800 --> 0:26:41.040
<v Speaker 1>about just like how you know, brilliantius they talked about

0:26:41.080 --> 0:26:43.440
<v Speaker 1>rape culture, how they didn't know and how Russell said

0:26:43.480 --> 0:26:45.840
<v Speaker 1>it was years ago. There was also something that I

0:26:45.880 --> 0:26:50.520
<v Speaker 1>think was more so widespread and more mainstream dieties acceptable

0:26:50.840 --> 0:26:53.200
<v Speaker 1>as far as the treatment of women years ago. Absolutely,

0:26:53.200 --> 0:26:55.399
<v Speaker 1>and I don't necessarily know if these men would do

0:26:55.480 --> 0:26:58.440
<v Speaker 1>that today. But there's another thing to be said though

0:26:58.560 --> 0:27:04.080
<v Speaker 1>about a persona right, So like the girls unchained at

0:27:04.080 --> 0:27:07.040
<v Speaker 1>an awards show, it's this like I'm Snoop Dogg. It's

0:27:07.119 --> 0:27:11.440
<v Speaker 1>like this lavish sub play. Whatever the pimp thing even

0:27:12.000 --> 0:27:14.159
<v Speaker 1>I think, well no, but he was claimed to have

0:27:14.320 --> 0:27:17.800
<v Speaker 1>actually had women in his stable, that he was a pimp.

0:27:18.800 --> 0:27:22.120
<v Speaker 1>But it was a thing that was so fucking cat

0:27:22.160 --> 0:27:24.800
<v Speaker 1>williams um, what was it do? That was on next

0:27:24.840 --> 0:27:27.000
<v Speaker 1>Friday that was next to him, Magic Mike or something,

0:27:27.119 --> 0:27:29.400
<v Speaker 1>Magic mic something like that. All of these dudes were

0:27:29.440 --> 0:27:31.200
<v Speaker 1>like it was like to boast and brag about it

0:27:31.240 --> 0:27:33.639
<v Speaker 1>made it fucking cool. But I only wanted to be

0:27:33.960 --> 0:27:35.960
<v Speaker 1>with pimps. Actually, we have an episode coming out with

0:27:36.000 --> 0:27:37.800
<v Speaker 1>a girl named Ali x x X. I didn't know this,

0:27:38.000 --> 0:27:40.280
<v Speaker 1>but I kind of assumed that there had to have

0:27:40.359 --> 0:27:42.119
<v Speaker 1>been something good about being with a pimp, So I

0:27:42.160 --> 0:27:45.000
<v Speaker 1>asked her. She was a former escort. I said, does

0:27:45.040 --> 0:27:47.240
<v Speaker 1>it give you safety? Like broken woman? You know what

0:27:47.280 --> 0:27:49.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying, Like, does it give you safety? Does it

0:27:49.119 --> 0:27:50.640
<v Speaker 1>like does he stand by you? Does he make sure

0:27:50.680 --> 0:27:52.080
<v Speaker 1>that the men are like screen or something like that.

0:27:52.160 --> 0:27:54.080
<v Speaker 1>She's like, no, they literally take your money. Women just

0:27:54.800 --> 0:27:56.800
<v Speaker 1>want to have someone. But I think also when you

0:27:57.280 --> 0:27:59.560
<v Speaker 1>we're looking back into the hip hop culture and how

0:27:59.600 --> 0:28:02.840
<v Speaker 1>they did women, um tip Drill was one of the

0:28:02.920 --> 0:28:06.879
<v Speaker 1>most like iconic videos and if we progress and I

0:28:06.920 --> 0:28:10.000
<v Speaker 1>don't think but even looking back at that video, Okay, Alex,

0:28:10.000 --> 0:28:15.399
<v Speaker 1>don't be over there reminiscent now because stuff. But the

0:28:15.520 --> 0:28:18.679
<v Speaker 1>thing is, so I don't think I like stripper culture.

0:28:18.840 --> 0:28:20.840
<v Speaker 1>I don't think there's any I like strippers you know,

0:28:20.880 --> 0:28:22.919
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying I've never thought anything was wrong with stripping.

0:28:22.960 --> 0:28:25.520
<v Speaker 1>The problem is not the dancer system men, right, So

0:28:25.680 --> 0:28:28.119
<v Speaker 1>like people talk about like, oh, she's a dancer or

0:28:28.160 --> 0:28:31.240
<v Speaker 1>she does sex work. Clearly no dad, no self esteem,

0:28:31.320 --> 0:28:34.159
<v Speaker 1>no goals, no educate, all these things that are oftentimes,

0:28:34.720 --> 0:28:38.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, arguably more often than not wrong, right, Like

0:28:38.360 --> 0:28:40.600
<v Speaker 1>many of them brilliant girls where they go to college

0:28:40.680 --> 0:28:42.600
<v Speaker 1>or not right, many don't have great relationships with their

0:28:42.600 --> 0:28:44.240
<v Speaker 1>families and they this is what they wanted to do,

0:28:44.400 --> 0:28:45.920
<v Speaker 1>or and maybe they don't, maybe they don't love it,

0:28:46.000 --> 0:28:47.479
<v Speaker 1>but they're like, it's a job in the same way

0:28:47.560 --> 0:28:50.680
<v Speaker 1>do you love cooking fries? Do you love And it's

0:28:50.720 --> 0:28:53.120
<v Speaker 1>the closest thing to sales work, you know. But but

0:28:53.240 --> 0:28:55.520
<v Speaker 1>what stripper that you really don't want to dance for

0:28:55.560 --> 0:28:57.600
<v Speaker 1>you and you spend their money like you spend your

0:28:57.600 --> 0:28:59.600
<v Speaker 1>money on them. They'd be like, come on, Like the

0:29:03.880 --> 0:29:06.800
<v Speaker 1>problem is that there are so many men who don't

0:29:06.880 --> 0:29:09.920
<v Speaker 1>know how to respect women period. Right. So it's like

0:29:10.240 --> 0:29:12.160
<v Speaker 1>I don't think that if he says, well, you treat

0:29:12.200 --> 0:29:14.280
<v Speaker 1>a housewife like a housewife and a hooker like a hooker,

0:29:14.560 --> 0:29:17.680
<v Speaker 1>that that don't don't think he respects the housewife, right, like,

0:29:17.760 --> 0:29:19.680
<v Speaker 1>don't think that for a minute. Like if you don't

0:29:19.720 --> 0:29:22.760
<v Speaker 1>see the ability of us to be full human beings

0:29:23.000 --> 0:29:25.440
<v Speaker 1>who deserve you know, maybe you don't want to be

0:29:25.640 --> 0:29:27.640
<v Speaker 1>married to somebody who's on a pole, that's your right,

0:29:27.880 --> 0:29:29.960
<v Speaker 1>the same way the pole dancer could be like, I

0:29:30.000 --> 0:29:32.040
<v Speaker 1>don't want to be married to a square who works office. Right,

0:29:32.040 --> 0:29:33.760
<v Speaker 1>there's nothing wrong with them, But when you say that

0:29:33.880 --> 0:29:36.240
<v Speaker 1>the quality of that person, you're right, it's different because

0:29:36.320 --> 0:29:38.760
<v Speaker 1>this one does something related to sex and this one doesn't.

0:29:39.080 --> 0:29:41.240
<v Speaker 1>And so with so many men come into the clubs

0:29:41.280 --> 0:29:43.640
<v Speaker 1>with the attitude that's someone just hey, we go have fun,

0:29:43.720 --> 0:29:46.320
<v Speaker 1>we slap ass, we talk ship, you know, get a dance,

0:29:46.400 --> 0:29:49.240
<v Speaker 1>maybe something extra bout They still respect these women as people,

0:29:49.560 --> 0:29:50.920
<v Speaker 1>but it's a lot of them to think that with

0:29:51.000 --> 0:29:54.640
<v Speaker 1>their little you know, and they come in that they've

0:29:54.680 --> 0:29:57.520
<v Speaker 1>bought her, you know, like not nothing. That sex work

0:29:57.720 --> 0:30:01.080
<v Speaker 1>is um something that women too to do. And like

0:30:01.160 --> 0:30:03.560
<v Speaker 1>some women and were the ones we've at least interviewed,

0:30:03.600 --> 0:30:06.360
<v Speaker 1>including Allele here soon enjoyed what she did. She she's

0:30:06.400 --> 0:30:08.120
<v Speaker 1>now she's a mom now and she said, shit, I

0:30:08.240 --> 0:30:10.920
<v Speaker 1>miss having an adventure and any man and ship like that.

0:30:11.120 --> 0:30:14.360
<v Speaker 1>All these women aren't fucking broken something else. It's something

0:30:14.440 --> 0:30:16.160
<v Speaker 1>that I feel is strange and I don't know why

0:30:16.240 --> 0:30:17.840
<v Speaker 1>men do it, And maybe you have an answer to this,

0:30:18.240 --> 0:30:21.840
<v Speaker 1>but even a female who's open with her sexuality or

0:30:22.200 --> 0:30:25.120
<v Speaker 1>one who chooses to get into stripping or porn um,

0:30:25.440 --> 0:30:28.240
<v Speaker 1>they blame it on daddy issues. Um. A lot of

0:30:28.320 --> 0:30:31.480
<v Speaker 1>men feel like had had a man been involved, she

0:30:31.520 --> 0:30:34.400
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't be doing Chris Rock joke. You know, my job

0:30:34.760 --> 0:30:36.320
<v Speaker 1>is to keep him off the pole. You know, my

0:30:36.640 --> 0:30:38.080
<v Speaker 1>number one job as a father is to keep my

0:30:38.160 --> 0:30:40.440
<v Speaker 1>daughters off the pole. And I remember laughing at it

0:30:40.520 --> 0:30:42.240
<v Speaker 1>at the time when it came out, and everybody laughed

0:30:42.280 --> 0:30:44.080
<v Speaker 1>at it. And you know my dad would you reference

0:30:44.160 --> 0:30:46.240
<v Speaker 1>him from time to time, and he made a joke

0:30:46.280 --> 0:30:48.840
<v Speaker 1>about the other day and I was like, well, actually, know,

0:30:49.200 --> 0:30:52.000
<v Speaker 1>your job is to make sure that your daughter is happy, healthy,

0:30:52.040 --> 0:30:54.200
<v Speaker 1>and well adjusted, whether she's on a pole or not.

0:30:55.240 --> 0:30:57.840
<v Speaker 1>And Dan that would say an entertainment industry women that

0:30:57.880 --> 0:31:00.520
<v Speaker 1>would say they still don't want their kids, do I

0:31:00.560 --> 0:31:11.720
<v Speaker 1>think that? Yeah? But I think the something absolutely yeah.

0:31:11.880 --> 0:31:14.600
<v Speaker 1>I agree. Yeah. And the stigma and the lack of

0:31:14.680 --> 0:31:17.440
<v Speaker 1>safety in a world where you know, women are already

0:31:17.480 --> 0:31:21.280
<v Speaker 1>sigmatized and and already unsafe. That yes, in certain environments

0:31:21.400 --> 0:31:23.920
<v Speaker 1>is it's exacerbated by doing sex work right. And some

0:31:24.040 --> 0:31:25.400
<v Speaker 1>of them is super safe and some of them is

0:31:25.480 --> 0:31:28.480
<v Speaker 1>not so. And your average person doesn't know the spectrum

0:31:28.560 --> 0:31:30.360
<v Speaker 1>of all the different things you could be doing, you

0:31:30.400 --> 0:31:32.200
<v Speaker 1>know what I mean, Like you couldn't be safe, you

0:31:32.240 --> 0:31:34.080
<v Speaker 1>could be empowered, You could be surrounded by women and

0:31:34.120 --> 0:31:36.320
<v Speaker 1>people who care about you. But they can only see

0:31:36.400 --> 0:31:38.800
<v Speaker 1>the ceedy motel from the amateur horn, you know, they

0:31:38.840 --> 0:31:41.640
<v Speaker 1>can only see the stories in the newspaper about somebody

0:31:41.680 --> 0:31:43.720
<v Speaker 1>getting murdered off of Craigslist and stuff. So it's not

0:31:43.920 --> 0:31:45.760
<v Speaker 1>you know, I don't think we should be surprised. The

0:31:45.800 --> 0:31:47.760
<v Speaker 1>families are like, this isn't what I want for my child.

0:31:47.800 --> 0:31:50.200
<v Speaker 1>But what we have to really, you know, as a feminist,

0:31:50.320 --> 0:31:54.200
<v Speaker 1>Like for me, it's about encouraging people to like, don't

0:31:54.320 --> 0:31:57.160
<v Speaker 1>talk about these women and girls, is that they're less

0:31:57.240 --> 0:32:00.800
<v Speaker 1>than somebody who does something, you know, quote a respectable

0:32:01.320 --> 0:32:03.479
<v Speaker 1>And I want to bring up that I thought was amazing.

0:32:03.560 --> 0:32:05.800
<v Speaker 1>And I hate to bring up all these tidbits and

0:32:05.840 --> 0:32:08.600
<v Speaker 1>pieces from an episode that people are gonna hear, but

0:32:08.760 --> 0:32:10.880
<v Speaker 1>we I interviewed an escort that said, I'm so tired

0:32:10.920 --> 0:32:14.400
<v Speaker 1>of the whole hierarchy, and Cardi B said something about,

0:32:14.760 --> 0:32:16.680
<v Speaker 1>don't get it twisted. I wasn't sucking for money. I

0:32:16.800 --> 0:32:18.400
<v Speaker 1>was just a stripper, And she's like, okay, there's the

0:32:18.520 --> 0:32:21.200
<v Speaker 1>one hose, you know, not greater than the other hole.

0:32:21.240 --> 0:32:23.320
<v Speaker 1>She said that street walkers look at women that are

0:32:23.440 --> 0:32:26.080
<v Speaker 1>escorts online like they're lazy, and the other ones look

0:32:26.120 --> 0:32:29.040
<v Speaker 1>at them like they're dirt. And it's like, but we've

0:32:29.200 --> 0:32:32.360
<v Speaker 1>all fucking done it though, But unfortunately, that's what I'm saying, Like,

0:32:32.560 --> 0:32:35.840
<v Speaker 1>as women, we already have men beating us down and

0:32:35.960 --> 0:32:38.680
<v Speaker 1>saying certain things, um, because of the choices we make

0:32:38.920 --> 0:32:41.720
<v Speaker 1>with our bodies. I feel like, as women and people,

0:32:42.480 --> 0:32:45.600
<v Speaker 1>especially as us wanting to empower each other, shouldn't be

0:32:45.720 --> 0:32:49.600
<v Speaker 1>sitting here making any type of hierarchy or thinking, um,

0:32:49.960 --> 0:32:51.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm a better home because I charged a thousand dollars

0:32:52.000 --> 0:32:56.239
<v Speaker 1>and you only charge two hundred. Maybe people all right, well,

0:32:56.280 --> 0:32:58.840
<v Speaker 1>part of that is like that is patriarchy, right, So

0:32:58.920 --> 0:33:00.520
<v Speaker 1>the same way like the things that the men say

0:33:00.560 --> 0:33:02.400
<v Speaker 1>to us, like oh, you know, I'm judging you based

0:33:02.440 --> 0:33:04.520
<v Speaker 1>on how many people you've been with or how sun

0:33:04.640 --> 0:33:08.480
<v Speaker 1>your skirt is or whatever, like when we're so often

0:33:08.600 --> 0:33:11.960
<v Speaker 1>we're competing for men, either actually a real life man

0:33:12.120 --> 0:33:14.440
<v Speaker 1>or just the idea of who's a more desirable woman,

0:33:14.840 --> 0:33:18.160
<v Speaker 1>who has who occupies a better station in society, you know,

0:33:18.280 --> 0:33:20.719
<v Speaker 1>and so much of that is tied to our relationships

0:33:20.760 --> 0:33:23.760
<v Speaker 1>to men. On the other side, it's just capitalism, right,

0:33:23.880 --> 0:33:26.040
<v Speaker 1>So it's like the same way the person who waits

0:33:26.120 --> 0:33:29.720
<v Speaker 1>tables at you know, Ruth Chris might look down at

0:33:29.760 --> 0:33:33.120
<v Speaker 1>the person who waits table looks down at Danny's who

0:33:33.120 --> 0:33:35.640
<v Speaker 1>looks down And McDonald the girl um a few years

0:33:35.680 --> 0:33:39.160
<v Speaker 1>ago who was a waitress or maybe bartender at a

0:33:39.200 --> 0:33:41.960
<v Speaker 1>high end restaurant, and she would always talk about girls

0:33:42.000 --> 0:33:44.200
<v Speaker 1>that worked like an old garden. I'm like, man, but

0:33:44.320 --> 0:33:48.080
<v Speaker 1>it's probably busier. Like I mean, like just to just

0:33:48.200 --> 0:33:50.640
<v Speaker 1>to to judge based off that. I think that it's

0:33:50.960 --> 0:33:53.720
<v Speaker 1>um counterproductive and what a lot of us women are

0:33:53.760 --> 0:33:55.959
<v Speaker 1>trying to do when we're trying to build each other

0:33:56.080 --> 0:33:58.160
<v Speaker 1>up and I and I think, without knowing it, a

0:33:58.200 --> 0:33:59.880
<v Speaker 1>lot of us beat each other down and it's it's

0:34:00.040 --> 0:34:02.200
<v Speaker 1>it's hecky, and I think it's something that should probably

0:34:02.240 --> 0:34:04.720
<v Speaker 1>stop even when we do it subconsciously where we don't

0:34:04.720 --> 0:34:06.720
<v Speaker 1>know we're doing it, and I look down on other

0:34:06.800 --> 0:34:09.920
<v Speaker 1>women not based on like what I've achieved that they haven't,

0:34:10.160 --> 0:34:12.080
<v Speaker 1>or you know, something about me I think is better,

0:34:12.280 --> 0:34:16.320
<v Speaker 1>you know, in terms of some kind of measure of

0:34:16.400 --> 0:34:19.480
<v Speaker 1>what we call successful or important or significance. Like when

0:34:19.480 --> 0:34:21.600
<v Speaker 1>I look down at somebody, it's because of their like

0:34:22.000 --> 0:34:24.160
<v Speaker 1>their behavior and how they treat other people, you know

0:34:24.200 --> 0:34:26.120
<v Speaker 1>what I'm saying. So if I'm like, oh, she's an asshole,

0:34:26.440 --> 0:34:28.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, like she's not kind to people, she's selfish,

0:34:29.000 --> 0:34:30.680
<v Speaker 1>she's rude, like, and that's what we should do this

0:34:30.760 --> 0:34:33.960
<v Speaker 1>sort of thing. That Something that I have been struggling

0:34:34.000 --> 0:34:37.920
<v Speaker 1>with since starting the show is I get really exhausted

0:34:38.000 --> 0:34:40.600
<v Speaker 1>with women that hide their whole ship. And I think

0:34:40.640 --> 0:34:42.719
<v Speaker 1>that's been something that's been misconstrued with me on the

0:34:42.760 --> 0:34:44.520
<v Speaker 1>show because I'll say all the time, like, put these

0:34:44.560 --> 0:34:46.640
<v Speaker 1>girls do this and they hide it into blah blah.

0:34:46.640 --> 0:34:50.360
<v Speaker 1>Because I feel like, if I'm a girl that's sitting

0:34:50.400 --> 0:34:52.239
<v Speaker 1>here putting myself on the line to make other women

0:34:52.280 --> 0:34:56.239
<v Speaker 1>feel uncomfortable, like I feel comfortable about what they feel,

0:34:56.400 --> 0:34:59.120
<v Speaker 1>feel more comfortable and feel more accepted, I want like

0:34:59.360 --> 0:35:01.239
<v Speaker 1>women to do the same. I think this is still

0:35:01.280 --> 0:35:04.879
<v Speaker 1>going back to judging. I don't think that. I don't.

0:35:05.239 --> 0:35:08.520
<v Speaker 1>I don't feel like every woman has to be open

0:35:08.640 --> 0:35:11.279
<v Speaker 1>with their sexuality or how they get money or what

0:35:11.400 --> 0:35:14.040
<v Speaker 1>they do behind. I think a lot of the people

0:35:14.160 --> 0:35:17.080
<v Speaker 1>that we do UM get out of their shell are

0:35:17.160 --> 0:35:19.399
<v Speaker 1>doing so with their partners, and they're glad to hear

0:35:19.480 --> 0:35:22.440
<v Speaker 1>like minded people. But I don't think that just because

0:35:22.520 --> 0:35:25.600
<v Speaker 1>we're openly talking about suck, you know, openly talking about sucking,

0:35:25.640 --> 0:35:28.520
<v Speaker 1>did no I know what you're saying that I know

0:35:28.880 --> 0:35:31.719
<v Speaker 1>what you're referencing to. I just feel like even if

0:35:32.440 --> 0:35:35.360
<v Speaker 1>x X girl, or if we have an escort on

0:35:35.400 --> 0:35:38.440
<v Speaker 1>the show who's openly talking about her experience as an escort,

0:35:38.520 --> 0:35:40.680
<v Speaker 1>as we did with a future guest, that you guys

0:35:40.719 --> 0:35:43.520
<v Speaker 1>will hear. I don't think that she's any better than

0:35:43.560 --> 0:35:46.760
<v Speaker 1>a woman who doesn't, who does escorting and doesn't share

0:35:46.880 --> 0:35:49.040
<v Speaker 1>this with the public or their friends. I think that

0:35:49.480 --> 0:35:51.800
<v Speaker 1>you have the choice, UM, and it makes you no

0:35:51.920 --> 0:35:54.000
<v Speaker 1>less whether you want to be open about your sexuality

0:35:54.040 --> 0:35:56.560
<v Speaker 1>and how you make your money compared to another woman

0:35:56.600 --> 0:36:00.319
<v Speaker 1>who wants may want to keep the sex. We're gonna

0:36:00.320 --> 0:36:02.960
<v Speaker 1>get stuck on this it's fine. I just think it's

0:36:02.960 --> 0:36:04.680
<v Speaker 1>the same thing. So we'll go ahead and get into

0:36:04.880 --> 0:36:08.160
<v Speaker 1>our kick of the week. And um, actually I didn't

0:36:08.160 --> 0:36:11.560
<v Speaker 1>want to address that though. Okay, okay, I'm not entirely clear.

0:36:11.600 --> 0:36:13.839
<v Speaker 1>Aren't either of your points, you know? But I think

0:36:13.960 --> 0:36:14.880
<v Speaker 1>I was like I was with you us, like I

0:36:14.920 --> 0:36:15.960
<v Speaker 1>know what you're saying, no chin, And then I was like,

0:36:16.000 --> 0:36:17.320
<v Speaker 1>I know what she's saying. Now I'm confused with what

0:36:17.400 --> 0:36:20.799
<v Speaker 1>you're saying. But um, in terms of like women being free,

0:36:20.960 --> 0:36:24.279
<v Speaker 1>like I you know, from much of my life, like

0:36:24.400 --> 0:36:26.040
<v Speaker 1>this is really wild to me to see that I've

0:36:26.040 --> 0:36:27.960
<v Speaker 1>been a feminist since I was like twelve or thirteen,

0:36:28.080 --> 0:36:30.040
<v Speaker 1>you know, like I remember, I haven't remember my parents

0:36:30.160 --> 0:36:32.279
<v Speaker 1>being like, well no, you know. Now they're all in

0:36:32.400 --> 0:36:35.480
<v Speaker 1>and they call themselves that. But like, second, I just

0:36:35.560 --> 0:36:37.360
<v Speaker 1>want to point out that they are both at the

0:36:37.600 --> 0:36:40.520
<v Speaker 1>edge of their seat because there they are waiting to

0:36:40.560 --> 0:36:47.080
<v Speaker 1>see who you agree with. I understand what Maddy's saying

0:36:47.120 --> 0:36:49.160
<v Speaker 1>to I just think that Mandy isn't hearing me. I

0:36:50.840 --> 0:36:53.400
<v Speaker 1>think they were. I think they were making two different points.

0:36:54.000 --> 0:36:55.400
<v Speaker 1>We were. I think they were like I don't think

0:36:55.440 --> 0:36:57.480
<v Speaker 1>that they were like That's why it sounds like we think.

0:36:58.320 --> 0:36:59.680
<v Speaker 1>I don't think they. I think they were just like

0:37:00.080 --> 0:37:03.920
<v Speaker 1>this is an apple and this is and if we

0:37:04.120 --> 0:37:07.680
<v Speaker 1>all just embraced our sexuality, we wouldn't have women feeling

0:37:07.680 --> 0:37:09.520
<v Speaker 1>ashamed for it. So I have so I do have

0:37:09.600 --> 0:37:11.200
<v Speaker 1>a response to that, and I think it touches on

0:37:11.320 --> 0:37:13.000
<v Speaker 1>what you were talking about too on some levels. So

0:37:13.040 --> 0:37:17.520
<v Speaker 1>hopefully this is a good middle ground. So they're like,

0:37:17.600 --> 0:37:20.360
<v Speaker 1>so because I had this feminist thing very early on,

0:37:20.560 --> 0:37:23.200
<v Speaker 1>you know, I had I didn't have the best I

0:37:23.280 --> 0:37:25.799
<v Speaker 1>didn't have a lot of relationships with boys and had

0:37:25.800 --> 0:37:28.200
<v Speaker 1>crushes and stuff in terms of high school and even college,

0:37:28.320 --> 0:37:29.640
<v Speaker 1>you know, just a little bit of sex and a

0:37:29.719 --> 0:37:31.319
<v Speaker 1>lot of making now but not you know, I wasn't

0:37:31.360 --> 0:37:33.960
<v Speaker 1>really going there yet. But when I was, I was

0:37:34.000 --> 0:37:36.239
<v Speaker 1>really comfortable just talking about it and talking about my

0:37:36.360 --> 0:37:38.440
<v Speaker 1>interests in it, you know, um in ways that a

0:37:38.520 --> 0:37:40.759
<v Speaker 1>lot of my friends weren't, like I remember being in

0:37:40.920 --> 0:37:43.160
<v Speaker 1>high school, and at this point we must have been

0:37:43.160 --> 0:37:45.440
<v Speaker 1>pretty early in high school. Nobody allegedly because I'm sure

0:37:45.480 --> 0:37:50.280
<v Speaker 1>someone I wasn't, you know, but allegedly nobody had performed

0:37:50.360 --> 0:37:53.200
<v Speaker 1>oral section, right, and so all the other girls are

0:37:53.239 --> 0:37:54.960
<v Speaker 1>talking out I'm never gonna do that. I'm never gonna

0:37:55.000 --> 0:37:56.560
<v Speaker 1>do that, And somebody's kind of like, you know, only

0:37:56.640 --> 0:37:58.360
<v Speaker 1>with my husband, blah blah blah. And I was the

0:37:58.440 --> 0:38:01.719
<v Speaker 1>only one who was like, you know, guys, it's not

0:38:01.840 --> 0:38:03.759
<v Speaker 1>that bad. I hadn't done it yet, but I'm just

0:38:03.840 --> 0:38:05.640
<v Speaker 1>in there, like I think that's just part of sex,

0:38:06.200 --> 0:38:07.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, Like, and I'm sure that most of them

0:38:08.040 --> 0:38:09.479
<v Speaker 1>kind of like, yeah, they might have been a little

0:38:09.480 --> 0:38:11.600
<v Speaker 1>grossed out by it, but I'm sure somewhere deep down

0:38:11.719 --> 0:38:13.520
<v Speaker 1>they either all knew that they would do it eventually,

0:38:13.640 --> 0:38:15.640
<v Speaker 1>some of them were probably really curious about it, if

0:38:15.719 --> 0:38:18.440
<v Speaker 1>not really ready and excited to do it, and at

0:38:18.480 --> 0:38:20.440
<v Speaker 1>least one of them probably had already done it, you

0:38:20.520 --> 0:38:23.080
<v Speaker 1>know what I mean. Um, but like we were at

0:38:23.120 --> 0:38:25.040
<v Speaker 1>that point, this is what we were judged doing. You

0:38:25.080 --> 0:38:26.919
<v Speaker 1>know that you're the girl who doesn't do those things.

0:38:27.000 --> 0:38:28.640
<v Speaker 1>We know this when she sleeps, you know, she stopped

0:38:28.680 --> 0:38:30.560
<v Speaker 1>the basketball team, so and so they you know, they

0:38:30.640 --> 0:38:32.719
<v Speaker 1>ran a train on her. She went home with this one.

0:38:33.040 --> 0:38:35.240
<v Speaker 1>Like at that point in our lives, the Slett shaming

0:38:35.360 --> 0:38:37.839
<v Speaker 1>was like, you know, the virtue was being the hot

0:38:37.920 --> 0:38:40.719
<v Speaker 1>girl who was sexy enough but who wasn't necessarily having

0:38:40.760 --> 0:38:43.480
<v Speaker 1>sex with anyone or with many people, and so like

0:38:44.280 --> 0:38:47.960
<v Speaker 1>there was when someone decides that's exactly and so that

0:38:48.000 --> 0:38:50.239
<v Speaker 1>I don't use the word home or sledt, like I

0:38:50.320 --> 0:38:52.840
<v Speaker 1>don't believe that homes exist, you know, Like I understand.

0:38:53.000 --> 0:38:55.160
<v Speaker 1>It's taken me a while to kind of make peace

0:38:55.200 --> 0:38:57.520
<v Speaker 1>with like like when the first slow walk happened, like

0:38:57.560 --> 0:38:59.400
<v Speaker 1>way before Amber got into it, I remember it was

0:38:59.480 --> 0:39:01.319
<v Speaker 1>kind of like online it was like black girls versus

0:39:01.360 --> 0:39:03.320
<v Speaker 1>white girls and white girls, you know, the black girls

0:39:03.400 --> 0:39:07.320
<v Speaker 1>were like weird, like fighting to be treated as for

0:39:07.520 --> 0:39:10.440
<v Speaker 1>us to not get caught, like y'all are trying to

0:39:10.520 --> 0:39:13.040
<v Speaker 1>reclaim slut and we're trying to be called by our

0:39:13.160 --> 0:39:17.719
<v Speaker 1>names and so okay, so I'll tell you. So I

0:39:17.800 --> 0:39:19.680
<v Speaker 1>think it's super cute and I do like it. And

0:39:19.719 --> 0:39:21.600
<v Speaker 1>it took me. So this was years of me making

0:39:21.680 --> 0:39:23.640
<v Speaker 1>because when people the whole pro ho and hope, you know,

0:39:23.840 --> 0:39:26.040
<v Speaker 1>like whole ship, I'm like, but there's no such thing

0:39:26.080 --> 0:39:27.400
<v Speaker 1>as a hole. We just do what we should be

0:39:27.440 --> 0:39:30.319
<v Speaker 1>able to do what we want. Like, yeah, I think

0:39:30.360 --> 0:39:32.760
<v Speaker 1>that the rule should just be be respectful of yourself,

0:39:33.280 --> 0:39:36.320
<v Speaker 1>of whomever you're dealing with, you know, whether it's casual

0:39:36.680 --> 0:39:40.680
<v Speaker 1>or serious, you know, be honest, be truthful, be be responsible,

0:39:41.440 --> 0:39:45.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, like you don't have to tell like if

0:39:45.120 --> 0:39:47.560
<v Speaker 1>you if you're actually fun, if you're if we're fun?

0:39:47.640 --> 0:39:49.640
<v Speaker 1>Buddy's like, are you really my buddy? Are we friends?

0:39:49.640 --> 0:39:51.200
<v Speaker 1>You know? I mean are the homie lover friend thing? Like?

0:39:51.280 --> 0:39:53.640
<v Speaker 1>Are we actually friends? Or do we just fun? And

0:39:53.680 --> 0:39:56.239
<v Speaker 1>those are two different relationships and they're both acceptable. But

0:39:56.280 --> 0:39:57.960
<v Speaker 1>we're not gonna pretend like we're friends. Who you know

0:39:58.000 --> 0:40:00.080
<v Speaker 1>what I mean, Like, don't let me if I if

0:40:00.080 --> 0:40:02.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm having sex with you and my tire blows out,

0:40:02.920 --> 0:40:04.920
<v Speaker 1>I should be able to call you, not because I

0:40:05.000 --> 0:40:07.160
<v Speaker 1>think you're my man, but because I'm a human being

0:40:07.600 --> 0:40:10.000
<v Speaker 1>with whom we share this experience. You know what I'm saying.

0:40:10.719 --> 0:40:14.160
<v Speaker 1>If you value me enough to to allow to to

0:40:14.280 --> 0:40:17.120
<v Speaker 1>come inside of my body, you should care about my safety. Right,

0:40:17.239 --> 0:40:20.120
<v Speaker 1>Maybe you're not the one to call and help, you know,

0:40:20.280 --> 0:40:22.080
<v Speaker 1>come hang out with me just because I'm bored, because

0:40:22.120 --> 0:40:24.360
<v Speaker 1>maybe that's not our relationship, but you should not. I

0:40:24.400 --> 0:40:27.160
<v Speaker 1>shouldn't feel that you would let me out somewhere without

0:40:27.200 --> 0:40:28.880
<v Speaker 1>a ride, or that you wouldn't make sure I got

0:40:28.960 --> 0:40:31.200
<v Speaker 1>home safe, or that you wouldn't care if something happened

0:40:31.200 --> 0:40:33.200
<v Speaker 1>to one of my parents, like you know, like, and

0:40:33.280 --> 0:40:34.920
<v Speaker 1>I say this all the time and time to the

0:40:34.960 --> 0:40:37.359
<v Speaker 1>college shoes and I'm like, only have sex with people

0:40:37.400 --> 0:40:40.320
<v Speaker 1>who respect you, period, and that's also respecting your pleasure.

0:40:40.400 --> 0:40:42.840
<v Speaker 1>So maybe our interactions are very limited to I'm not

0:40:42.880 --> 0:40:44.960
<v Speaker 1>would never text him for a tire because that's not

0:40:45.040 --> 0:40:48.279
<v Speaker 1>who he is. I'm only texting him. But even that,

0:40:48.360 --> 0:40:51.360
<v Speaker 1>but even with that, does he care if you came that?

0:40:51.560 --> 0:40:53.040
<v Speaker 1>You know what I'm saying, Like, when are you bringing

0:40:53.040 --> 0:40:57.320
<v Speaker 1>this up? Because on an earlier episode, UM, I was

0:40:57.480 --> 0:40:59.719
<v Speaker 1>uncomfortable with hearing the world word, and sometimes I still am.

0:40:59.760 --> 0:41:02.000
<v Speaker 1>I have some insecurities with people thinking I'm a total

0:41:02.080 --> 0:41:03.800
<v Speaker 1>horror right or saying these words to me. Sometimes it

0:41:03.800 --> 0:41:07.520
<v Speaker 1>can feel uncomfortable with being called promis is because the

0:41:07.600 --> 0:41:13.800
<v Speaker 1>definition was having sex with no remorse or something like that. Anybody.

0:41:14.120 --> 0:41:17.360
<v Speaker 1>I remember my main point in that conversation that Mandy

0:41:17.400 --> 0:41:21.360
<v Speaker 1>and I had was but I definitely established connections, and

0:41:21.680 --> 0:41:24.480
<v Speaker 1>I think that's the key to wanting to make a

0:41:24.520 --> 0:41:28.080
<v Speaker 1>horrible decision and keeping that respect there even for yourself.

0:41:28.360 --> 0:41:30.400
<v Speaker 1>If I make that connection within two hours and we

0:41:30.480 --> 0:41:33.280
<v Speaker 1>have sex, or if I make it in two months.

0:41:33.719 --> 0:41:35.439
<v Speaker 1>I still want to make sure there is a ground

0:41:35.560 --> 0:41:38.160
<v Speaker 1>level for respect. But that's what's kept me from feeling

0:41:38.239 --> 0:41:40.840
<v Speaker 1>confident in the decisions I made, whether real, horrible and

0:41:40.880 --> 0:41:43.240
<v Speaker 1>skanky or not. You know what I'm saying. I haven't

0:41:43.280 --> 0:41:46.040
<v Speaker 1>had a like a train or because people love to

0:41:46.120 --> 0:41:48.520
<v Speaker 1>use his word train or male male females. But I

0:41:48.600 --> 0:41:50.120
<v Speaker 1>want to make sure that when I do, both of

0:41:50.200 --> 0:41:51.920
<v Speaker 1>these men respect me enough. And I want to get

0:41:52.280 --> 0:41:54.120
<v Speaker 1>have two dicks slapping across my face. And I think

0:41:54.160 --> 0:41:55.759
<v Speaker 1>that's why I think the name of the podcast is

0:41:55.800 --> 0:41:57.839
<v Speaker 1>super cute. And I'm just like, you know what they

0:41:57.880 --> 0:41:59.840
<v Speaker 1>speak about things, not just you out, but just like

0:42:00.000 --> 0:42:01.799
<v Speaker 1>and there's plenty of women. It's not necessarily and aged thing,

0:42:01.920 --> 0:42:03.319
<v Speaker 1>you know, Like there are plenty of women who are

0:42:03.360 --> 0:42:05.719
<v Speaker 1>just like, yeah, I'm doing a whole show, you know,

0:42:05.840 --> 0:42:08.440
<v Speaker 1>blah blah blah. And they've reclaimed it and so in

0:42:08.520 --> 0:42:10.800
<v Speaker 1>the way that it ain't the first word we've reclaimed.

0:42:10.840 --> 0:42:12.920
<v Speaker 1>And I know that, like black people, reclaiming the N

0:42:12.960 --> 0:42:15.880
<v Speaker 1>word did not change how white folks felt about saying

0:42:15.920 --> 0:42:17.839
<v Speaker 1>it to us about us. You know, all it did

0:42:17.920 --> 0:42:19.840
<v Speaker 1>was make them mad that you know, we try to

0:42:19.880 --> 0:42:21.480
<v Speaker 1>tell them that he used it. And by the way,

0:42:21.520 --> 0:42:23.359
<v Speaker 1>we can't tell them, you know, we tell them all

0:42:23.400 --> 0:42:25.920
<v Speaker 1>we want, but they still use it um, including the

0:42:26.000 --> 0:42:27.640
<v Speaker 1>ones that will sit there and argue with you about

0:42:27.680 --> 0:42:29.239
<v Speaker 1>like it's not fair that I can't they say that

0:42:29.280 --> 0:42:34.520
<v Speaker 1>ship's but but I think that because I mean, being

0:42:34.520 --> 0:42:36.120
<v Speaker 1>a nigger is not a real thing. It's a concept

0:42:36.160 --> 0:42:37.960
<v Speaker 1>that they came out with. But being a hole, being

0:42:38.000 --> 0:42:41.239
<v Speaker 1>a slut like those are not real things. And so

0:42:41.440 --> 0:42:43.320
<v Speaker 1>I think the more that women just claim it, I

0:42:43.440 --> 0:42:45.680
<v Speaker 1>do think that this these words have the path like

0:42:46.040 --> 0:42:48.000
<v Speaker 1>that the power can be taken away. So you can't

0:42:48.040 --> 0:42:50.600
<v Speaker 1>call me that. If somebody that was on a life show,

0:42:50.600 --> 0:42:52.399
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to mention his name, but we don't

0:42:52.440 --> 0:42:53.680
<v Speaker 1>know if he got into me and you or had

0:42:53.719 --> 0:42:56.440
<v Speaker 1>this conversation with both of us. But he said, how

0:42:56.520 --> 0:42:58.919
<v Speaker 1>can I not call you a hole? We're not your show.

0:42:59.120 --> 0:43:01.080
<v Speaker 1>Me and Mandy had a competition who was the bigger

0:43:01.120 --> 0:43:04.160
<v Speaker 1>home and we talked about little skinky things we did

0:43:04.520 --> 0:43:05.960
<v Speaker 1>and who people got to vote at the end of

0:43:06.080 --> 0:43:08.319
<v Speaker 1>yellow names who did the more hole ship, most hoh ship.

0:43:08.840 --> 0:43:10.040
<v Speaker 1>And he said that why can't I say it? And

0:43:10.120 --> 0:43:12.880
<v Speaker 1>to me it reverts back to like you choose what

0:43:13.440 --> 0:43:15.200
<v Speaker 1>I want you to say. Do white people are they

0:43:15.239 --> 0:43:16.680
<v Speaker 1>allowed to call this nig because they listen to this

0:43:16.719 --> 0:43:19.360
<v Speaker 1>in musical time? And what's your intention in calling me that?

0:43:19.480 --> 0:43:22.840
<v Speaker 1>Are you saying it like, yes, bitch, you better be

0:43:23.000 --> 0:43:26.800
<v Speaker 1>on your hole ship? Are you calling me? Are you

0:43:26.840 --> 0:43:28.879
<v Speaker 1>looking down it? It's like that video when the girl

0:43:28.960 --> 0:43:34.279
<v Speaker 1>said bitch in different ways, by bitch exactly mean it's

0:43:34.280 --> 0:43:37.839
<v Speaker 1>a different thing. And I had this actual this conversation UM,

0:43:38.280 --> 0:43:41.480
<v Speaker 1>because we have this show UM and we call, you know,

0:43:41.640 --> 0:43:44.160
<v Speaker 1>our listeners the whore hive, and we make fun of

0:43:44.360 --> 0:43:47.040
<v Speaker 1>the word UM. I had this issue. And I hate

0:43:47.040 --> 0:43:49.560
<v Speaker 1>to bring him up again, but Um Tahoe, who has

0:43:49.600 --> 0:43:50.960
<v Speaker 1>been on this show quite a couple of times. I

0:43:51.040 --> 0:43:53.520
<v Speaker 1>went on his show and he kind of introduced me

0:43:53.760 --> 0:43:57.440
<v Speaker 1>as oh and afterward I had a problem with it

0:43:57.480 --> 0:43:59.880
<v Speaker 1>because it's just like for you to introduce me to

0:44:00.120 --> 0:44:03.000
<v Speaker 1>an audience in that way when I'm someone that you know,

0:44:03.280 --> 0:44:06.520
<v Speaker 1>that you call for advice, that you ask for business decisions,

0:44:06.800 --> 0:44:09.640
<v Speaker 1>and so to kind of belittle me as a person

0:44:09.760 --> 0:44:12.040
<v Speaker 1>to just this is a hole that's coming on the show.

0:44:12.520 --> 0:44:15.600
<v Speaker 1>And that's my problem because I can do I can

0:44:15.640 --> 0:44:17.279
<v Speaker 1>suck dick. I can have sex. And that's kind of

0:44:17.280 --> 0:44:19.360
<v Speaker 1>why we like to mention that we're two women in

0:44:19.400 --> 0:44:22.520
<v Speaker 1>corporate America, because what you're not gonna do is demean

0:44:22.640 --> 0:44:24.759
<v Speaker 1>me as a woman because of the choices that I

0:44:24.840 --> 0:44:27.040
<v Speaker 1>make in the bedroom. When you know me as such

0:44:27.360 --> 0:44:29.640
<v Speaker 1>is so much more. And that was my issue with

0:44:29.800 --> 0:44:31.759
<v Speaker 1>him and even this is fat and it's funny because

0:44:31.800 --> 0:44:33.480
<v Speaker 1>like one, that's why, And that was my issue with

0:44:33.640 --> 0:44:35.680
<v Speaker 1>using the word period because I'm like, if we allow

0:44:35.760 --> 0:44:37.200
<v Speaker 1>it to fester, you know what I mean, because I

0:44:37.200 --> 0:44:38.840
<v Speaker 1>don't even like I would only use it to for

0:44:39.239 --> 0:44:42.239
<v Speaker 1>to mail, you know, people of any gender that did

0:44:42.400 --> 0:44:45.320
<v Speaker 1>fucked up stuff. So like he's cheating on his wife

0:44:45.600 --> 0:44:48.600
<v Speaker 1>or you know she lied, you know something about deceptions,

0:44:48.840 --> 0:44:50.879
<v Speaker 1>just something that like that to me is where more

0:44:50.960 --> 0:44:52.799
<v Speaker 1>like deception, you know what I mean. Like I think

0:44:52.840 --> 0:44:56.040
<v Speaker 1>it's okay, I like to sleep with three hundred people

0:44:56.080 --> 0:44:58.000
<v Speaker 1>in three hundred days if you want to. But what

0:44:58.239 --> 0:45:00.560
<v Speaker 1>my problem is with the one person cheese on their

0:45:00.640 --> 0:45:03.000
<v Speaker 1>one partner one, you know what I mean, Like in

0:45:03.080 --> 0:45:05.480
<v Speaker 1>an a in a long term affair and hides it

0:45:05.600 --> 0:45:07.359
<v Speaker 1>to me, You're the bad guy, not the person who

0:45:07.400 --> 0:45:08.920
<v Speaker 1>had a whole lot of sex. You know that the

0:45:08.960 --> 0:45:12.880
<v Speaker 1>person who heard somebody um and willingly did and did

0:45:12.920 --> 0:45:14.359
<v Speaker 1>it over and over and over and over again. Right,

0:45:14.360 --> 0:45:16.040
<v Speaker 1>So I didn't say one person one time when I

0:45:16.160 --> 0:45:17.560
<v Speaker 1>was like, no, like these people still don't know the

0:45:17.600 --> 0:45:20.279
<v Speaker 1>comfortability and for what happened to you though I don't

0:45:20.320 --> 0:45:23.640
<v Speaker 1>think he knew. I really don't believe he knew what

0:45:23.760 --> 0:45:27.200
<v Speaker 1>your reaction to be because men don't understand and they

0:45:27.280 --> 0:45:30.279
<v Speaker 1>haven't been getting enough. It's like men don't get what

0:45:30.360 --> 0:45:31.880
<v Speaker 1>they can. I really don't think they knew how to

0:45:31.880 --> 0:45:33.960
<v Speaker 1>treat us yet, so they don't and we don't require

0:45:34.040 --> 0:45:36.640
<v Speaker 1>us to their fault, Alex. Alex is agreeing? Or are

0:45:36.680 --> 0:45:40.799
<v Speaker 1>you disagreeing? Why do you disagree? Men were never sure

0:45:40.920 --> 0:45:44.520
<v Speaker 1>all men? We never We don't. But when I heard it, right,

0:45:46.320 --> 0:45:49.480
<v Speaker 1>when I heard it, I remember feeling like it wasn't

0:45:49.520 --> 0:45:51.160
<v Speaker 1>that big of a deal. But I also couldn't say

0:45:51.200 --> 0:45:54.880
<v Speaker 1>that because that's all how she takes it. Maybe I

0:45:54.880 --> 0:45:56.600
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't have sat there and thought it was a big deal,

0:45:56.640 --> 0:45:58.480
<v Speaker 1>but she took it that way, and that he was

0:45:58.600 --> 0:46:00.960
<v Speaker 1>It sounds like he's implying something, you know, like he

0:46:01.800 --> 0:46:06.040
<v Speaker 1>makes it. This is what bothers me. The stand like, yes,

0:46:06.200 --> 0:46:08.080
<v Speaker 1>you call yourself that you have the podcast you talk

0:46:08.120 --> 0:46:11.399
<v Speaker 1>about it, but like those same behaviors in a man

0:46:12.280 --> 0:46:15.359
<v Speaker 1>would just be a guy who has a lot of sex, right,

0:46:15.440 --> 0:46:18.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, so if you were to eat I don't know.

0:46:18.960 --> 0:46:21.440
<v Speaker 1>I just I think that they know even if you

0:46:21.600 --> 0:46:24.560
<v Speaker 1>claim it, there's still a level to which there's a

0:46:24.719 --> 0:46:27.560
<v Speaker 1>thing that people just decided about you. Whether they affirm

0:46:27.600 --> 0:46:29.520
<v Speaker 1>it or not, there's just the thing. And I for me,

0:46:30.160 --> 0:46:33.040
<v Speaker 1>I just think that the stand like you, if you

0:46:33.200 --> 0:46:35.000
<v Speaker 1>call yourself a home because you feel like your whole,

0:46:35.160 --> 0:46:37.440
<v Speaker 1>you're a whole, then that's fine. But I would never

0:46:37.600 --> 0:46:39.759
<v Speaker 1>call somebody that based on how much sex they have,

0:46:39.920 --> 0:46:43.120
<v Speaker 1>because who am I to come? There's there's no like,

0:46:43.200 --> 0:46:45.480
<v Speaker 1>where's the rule book? But it's what I mean, where's

0:46:45.480 --> 0:46:48.839
<v Speaker 1>the standard? What's appropriate? What? We reviewed a girl jasel Marie,

0:46:48.960 --> 0:46:51.040
<v Speaker 1>who is a leader of a stripper strike, and I

0:46:51.120 --> 0:46:53.160
<v Speaker 1>believe I are you. I think it might have been

0:46:53.200 --> 0:46:55.279
<v Speaker 1>me said, oh, we've got to strip her on she

0:46:55.360 --> 0:46:57.560
<v Speaker 1>was I have an adult entertainer. Even though she called

0:46:57.600 --> 0:47:00.560
<v Speaker 1>it the stripper strike. Um remember that, and like she

0:47:00.680 --> 0:47:03.160
<v Speaker 1>stopped me and I remember, like, and I didn't want

0:47:03.160 --> 0:47:05.560
<v Speaker 1>to be disrespectful, but I also thinking like, will you

0:47:05.680 --> 0:47:08.239
<v Speaker 1>call it that and it's the same ship. Yeah, but

0:47:08.360 --> 0:47:12.320
<v Speaker 1>think about it and exactly so, like the branding, I

0:47:12.360 --> 0:47:14.640
<v Speaker 1>have the stripper on and I have been doing all

0:47:14.680 --> 0:47:17.080
<v Speaker 1>this and leading the goddamn protests in March. Bitch, nah,

0:47:17.400 --> 0:47:20.000
<v Speaker 1>that's how she Stripper Strike was a good like you know,

0:47:20.320 --> 0:47:24.920
<v Speaker 1>adult like adults entertained or walk out. It's not going

0:47:24.960 --> 0:47:27.239
<v Speaker 1>to have the same punches stripper strike, you know. Like,

0:47:27.560 --> 0:47:30.160
<v Speaker 1>So I'm loving where all of this is going. And

0:47:30.239 --> 0:47:33.719
<v Speaker 1>Alex looks like he wants to jump down. You really

0:47:33.760 --> 0:47:35.879
<v Speaker 1>jump down. Let's take a quick I want to take

0:47:35.880 --> 0:47:37.759
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<v Speaker 1>you guys haven't noticed yet, UM, this episode the Horrible

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<v Speaker 1>Decision is feminism. So we kind of like jumped right

0:50:26.840 --> 0:50:29.840
<v Speaker 1>into the motherfucking topic with UM kind of how we

0:50:29.960 --> 0:50:33.759
<v Speaker 1>feel about the word horror and UM one thing that

0:50:33.840 --> 0:50:36.879
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to get into. And we'll just added into

0:50:37.560 --> 0:50:39.600
<v Speaker 1>our horrible decision because normally what we do is we

0:50:39.680 --> 0:50:42.040
<v Speaker 1>add we have kinks. UM every week we do a

0:50:42.120 --> 0:50:44.800
<v Speaker 1>kink of the week, and this week with feminism, and

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<v Speaker 1>and I had to do a little what is feminism? First?

0:50:48.160 --> 0:50:50.640
<v Speaker 1>Can you tell us what a feminist is? Yeah, a

0:50:50.760 --> 0:50:54.400
<v Speaker 1>feminist is a person who believes that all genders are equal.

0:50:54.520 --> 0:50:58.680
<v Speaker 1>A feminist, yes, you're a feminist? Are a lot of

0:50:58.760 --> 0:51:02.719
<v Speaker 1>people We'll say things like oh feminists, so can we

0:51:02.840 --> 0:51:04.680
<v Speaker 1>explain how this is not going to be a male

0:51:04.800 --> 0:51:08.359
<v Speaker 1>bashing and why where where's that misconception coming from? Because

0:51:08.400 --> 0:51:11.560
<v Speaker 1>it'll lead into where we're from, you know, I mean,

0:51:11.960 --> 0:51:15.040
<v Speaker 1>feminism exist, and there's lots of different types of feminism, right.

0:51:15.080 --> 0:51:19.440
<v Speaker 1>Think of feminism as marijuana, you know, like there's a

0:51:19.520 --> 0:51:22.719
<v Speaker 1>sativa and there's an end, because there's different feminism. There's

0:51:22.760 --> 0:51:28.319
<v Speaker 1>white feminist, yes, so there's white feminism. There's you know, um,

0:51:28.480 --> 0:51:31.160
<v Speaker 1>there's first wave feminism and second wave feminism, and there's

0:51:31.200 --> 0:51:33.560
<v Speaker 1>you know, radical feminily, there's just lots of what kind

0:51:33.719 --> 0:51:35.800
<v Speaker 1>would you say that you align with? I mean I

0:51:36.360 --> 0:51:39.480
<v Speaker 1>tend to just use the you know, the phrase black feminists,

0:51:39.560 --> 0:51:42.160
<v Speaker 1>you know, black feminist thought, um, which does have a

0:51:42.200 --> 0:51:44.719
<v Speaker 1>whole history and a trajectory and really, you know, I

0:51:44.760 --> 0:51:47.719
<v Speaker 1>won't get to to too walky and all that stuff here,

0:51:47.840 --> 0:51:51.720
<v Speaker 1>but you know, like people have done serious work fleshing

0:51:51.760 --> 0:51:55.000
<v Speaker 1>out these ideas thinking about how we relate to men,

0:51:55.200 --> 0:51:57.320
<v Speaker 1>to the world around us two people of other races,

0:51:57.480 --> 0:52:00.400
<v Speaker 1>and have written brilliant things and explain things very plainly,

0:52:00.800 --> 0:52:02.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, but at the heart of it, you know,

0:52:02.320 --> 0:52:05.600
<v Speaker 1>when you think about black feminism. It's advocating for the

0:52:05.719 --> 0:52:10.399
<v Speaker 1>needs and concerns of black women and girls and black

0:52:10.480 --> 0:52:14.440
<v Speaker 1>queer people with the same level of commitment and energy

0:52:14.560 --> 0:52:16.360
<v Speaker 1>that we give to black men and boys, you know,

0:52:16.600 --> 0:52:20.560
<v Speaker 1>and also recognize it the ways that you can be

0:52:20.760 --> 0:52:23.759
<v Speaker 1>oppressed and you can be an oppressor, and that's not

0:52:23.920 --> 0:52:26.520
<v Speaker 1>limited to straight black men like you know. But but

0:52:26.680 --> 0:52:28.279
<v Speaker 1>but when it comes to when you think about black

0:52:28.280 --> 0:52:30.960
<v Speaker 1>feminism and something now that you're talking about that I

0:52:31.000 --> 0:52:33.320
<v Speaker 1>want to dig into with you. Yeah. Actually, before we

0:52:33.480 --> 0:52:35.480
<v Speaker 1>get into the notes, UM, I wanted to play a

0:52:36.480 --> 0:52:39.040
<v Speaker 1>a video real quick. UM. And this is from Freedman.

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<v Speaker 1>What she does is, UM, she talks about how feminism

0:52:43.320 --> 0:52:46.800
<v Speaker 1>actually um related to men and how it kind of

0:52:47.320 --> 0:52:51.160
<v Speaker 1>yielded men into going into being more feminine with themselves

0:52:51.360 --> 0:52:53.200
<v Speaker 1>and that if that makes sense, as well as the

0:52:53.239 --> 0:52:56.319
<v Speaker 1>topic of hypermasculinity. So I'm gonna play the video. I'm

0:52:56.320 --> 0:52:58.919
<v Speaker 1>gonna put the audio in. UM. So if you guys

0:52:58.960 --> 0:53:00.719
<v Speaker 1>want to take listen, I'm gonna play that real quick

0:53:00.880 --> 0:53:03.239
<v Speaker 1>and check it out. In my opinion, the other half

0:53:03.560 --> 0:53:06.320
<v Speaker 1>of the woman of the Revolution, the other half of

0:53:06.800 --> 0:53:10.640
<v Speaker 1>women's liberation movement, is the boys in my country and

0:53:10.719 --> 0:53:13.719
<v Speaker 1>in yours wearing their hair long, you know. And those

0:53:13.800 --> 0:53:17.520
<v Speaker 1>boys who are wearing their hair long are saying no

0:53:18.160 --> 0:53:21.040
<v Speaker 1>to the mask and mystique. They are saying no to

0:53:21.200 --> 0:53:26.520
<v Speaker 1>that brutal, sadistic, tight lip crew cut you know, Prussian

0:53:27.440 --> 0:53:30.200
<v Speaker 1>big muscle you know, or just turn having away, uh

0:53:31.040 --> 0:53:32.840
<v Speaker 1>kill bears when there are no bears to kill, and

0:53:33.040 --> 0:53:35.920
<v Speaker 1>and and ny palm all the children in Vietnam, Cambodia,

0:53:36.120 --> 0:53:37.759
<v Speaker 1>to prove that I'm a man, you know, and be

0:53:37.880 --> 0:53:42.120
<v Speaker 1>dominant and superior to everyone concerned and never show any

0:53:42.480 --> 0:53:45.319
<v Speaker 1>any softness. Well, these boys that are wearing their hair

0:53:45.440 --> 0:53:49.879
<v Speaker 1>long are saying no, I don't have to be all

0:53:49.960 --> 0:53:54.560
<v Speaker 1>that crew cut and tight lipped. Um. I don't have

0:53:54.640 --> 0:53:57.520
<v Speaker 1>to be dominant and superior to anyone. I don't have

0:53:57.600 --> 0:53:59.680
<v Speaker 1>to have big muscles because there aren't any bears to kill.

0:54:00.160 --> 0:54:03.240
<v Speaker 1>I don't have to you know, kill anybody to prove anything.

0:54:03.800 --> 0:54:05.800
<v Speaker 1>I can be tender, and I can be sensitive, and

0:54:05.840 --> 0:54:10.160
<v Speaker 1>I can be compassionate, and I can admit sometimes that

0:54:10.239 --> 0:54:14.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm afraid, and I can even cry. And I am

0:54:14.120 --> 0:54:17.000
<v Speaker 1>a man, and I am my own man. And that

0:54:17.280 --> 0:54:20.480
<v Speaker 1>man who is strong enough to be general, that is

0:54:20.480 --> 0:54:22.440
<v Speaker 1>a new man. And he is the other half of

0:54:22.520 --> 0:54:26.439
<v Speaker 1>this revolution, and he will live longer. I mean, really,

0:54:26.480 --> 0:54:28.360
<v Speaker 1>what I had that I wanted to ask you? I

0:54:28.480 --> 0:54:31.879
<v Speaker 1>wanted to talk about the biggest feminist contradictions that men

0:54:32.000 --> 0:54:35.120
<v Speaker 1>think that we have. I went to Women's March and um,

0:54:35.160 --> 0:54:36.839
<v Speaker 1>I can't remember what my sign said, but some guy

0:54:36.960 --> 0:54:38.600
<v Speaker 1>was like, oh, what about the rest of us? So

0:54:38.920 --> 0:54:41.480
<v Speaker 1>here's the things that I think are the top three

0:54:41.600 --> 0:54:43.799
<v Speaker 1>that people talk to it about for men. We're talking

0:54:43.920 --> 0:54:48.600
<v Speaker 1>still talking about men with feminism? Okay, um, paying for meals? Right,

0:54:48.640 --> 0:54:50.839
<v Speaker 1>I want to let's start with that one first. Why

0:54:50.880 --> 0:54:54.359
<v Speaker 1>do men feel like because we're feminists? This is way

0:54:54.400 --> 0:54:56.479
<v Speaker 1>off from what I thought it was going to be. Well,

0:54:57.120 --> 0:55:00.680
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I didn't see the video, but here's we talked.

0:55:00.800 --> 0:55:02.279
<v Speaker 1>I hear about it on a lot of podcasts that

0:55:02.360 --> 0:55:04.000
<v Speaker 1>of us and two guys, Oh, if you're such a feminist,

0:55:04.239 --> 0:55:05.520
<v Speaker 1>why do I have to do this for you? Blah

0:55:05.560 --> 0:55:08.759
<v Speaker 1>blah blah? How does that? How does it affect our

0:55:08.880 --> 0:55:10.560
<v Speaker 1>our daily lives? That? How do we how do we

0:55:10.760 --> 0:55:13.800
<v Speaker 1>put feminism into dating and chivalry and things like that.

0:55:14.080 --> 0:55:17.160
<v Speaker 1>It's it's much easier than you know. I think a

0:55:17.239 --> 0:55:19.000
<v Speaker 1>lot of people believe and I think that a lot

0:55:19.080 --> 0:55:22.960
<v Speaker 1>of those misconceptions or you know, that's hypocritical, and that's yes,

0:55:23.080 --> 0:55:25.239
<v Speaker 1>a lot of it is. There's contradictions, right, Like, I

0:55:25.280 --> 0:55:27.600
<v Speaker 1>don't know if hypocritical is fair. But and sometimes you know,

0:55:27.680 --> 0:55:29.360
<v Speaker 1>you can be a feminist and you can be a hypocrite.

0:55:29.400 --> 0:55:31.120
<v Speaker 1>You know, you can talk one thing and walk another.

0:55:31.239 --> 0:55:35.520
<v Speaker 1>But like, feminism doesn't mean that a woman and a

0:55:35.600 --> 0:55:37.920
<v Speaker 1>man in a relationship have to do the same things

0:55:38.120 --> 0:55:40.520
<v Speaker 1>and carry the same burdens and and move the same

0:55:40.560 --> 0:55:43.320
<v Speaker 1>way and have the same you know, patterns of behavior

0:55:43.360 --> 0:55:47.640
<v Speaker 1>and responsibilities. It says that both sides aren't equal. Now,

0:55:47.800 --> 0:55:50.279
<v Speaker 1>equal does not mean that we have the same skill

0:55:50.400 --> 0:55:54.360
<v Speaker 1>set or the same interest, just that our value is

0:55:54.440 --> 0:55:57.120
<v Speaker 1>the same. Right. And so if I'm start a body,

0:55:57.280 --> 0:56:00.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm terrible with math, budgeting, Like I'm very you know,

0:56:01.120 --> 0:56:03.120
<v Speaker 1>I love to shop and stuff, you know, and I

0:56:03.200 --> 0:56:05.759
<v Speaker 1>can be very frugal and I can be you know, uh,

0:56:07.320 --> 0:56:09.200
<v Speaker 1>what's the way I can be you know, frugal, But

0:56:09.239 --> 0:56:13.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm not somebody who should be balancing the family you know, checkbook,

0:56:13.800 --> 0:56:15.759
<v Speaker 1>right if there's myself and another adult, like I'm just

0:56:15.880 --> 0:56:18.640
<v Speaker 1>that's not my strong suit. I like to cook. I'm

0:56:18.680 --> 0:56:20.759
<v Speaker 1>not super great at clean Like cleaning is not my jam,

0:56:20.880 --> 0:56:22.880
<v Speaker 1>So like I have somebody come clean my house, you

0:56:22.920 --> 0:56:24.239
<v Speaker 1>know what I mean. So Like, if I'm in a

0:56:24.280 --> 0:56:27.279
<v Speaker 1>relationship with a man and I cook every meal that

0:56:27.360 --> 0:56:30.160
<v Speaker 1>we eat, it's not because I should not cook all

0:56:30.160 --> 0:56:33.640
<v Speaker 1>of our meals because I'm a woman. If I cook

0:56:33.680 --> 0:56:35.480
<v Speaker 1>all our meals, it should be because I'm the best

0:56:35.520 --> 0:56:38.520
<v Speaker 1>cook and I enjoy doing it, or I'm the one

0:56:38.560 --> 0:56:40.360
<v Speaker 1>who has the time to do it, you know what

0:56:40.440 --> 0:56:42.080
<v Speaker 1>I mean. If it's just and I'm the best cook,

0:56:42.400 --> 0:56:44.480
<v Speaker 1>I still need to Okay, I'm the best cooking. Is

0:56:44.560 --> 0:56:46.160
<v Speaker 1>that I mean that I like doing it? Does that

0:56:46.239 --> 0:56:48.319
<v Speaker 1>mean that I have time? And the reason that because

0:56:48.360 --> 0:56:50.399
<v Speaker 1>we were talking about man man thinking we're bashing them,

0:56:50.600 --> 0:56:52.359
<v Speaker 1>but it's like, okay, well this thing ain't clean up

0:56:52.360 --> 0:56:55.400
<v Speaker 1>the house. If you're a feminist, won't like well, you know,

0:56:55.600 --> 0:56:58.520
<v Speaker 1>I think that men and women who are who don't

0:56:58.560 --> 0:57:00.640
<v Speaker 1>know a lot about feminism are very quick to kind

0:57:00.640 --> 0:57:02.200
<v Speaker 1>of throw it back in your face because it makes

0:57:02.280 --> 0:57:04.960
<v Speaker 1>them uncomfortable, you know, because it does say no, it's

0:57:05.000 --> 0:57:07.360
<v Speaker 1>not about bashing man or hating man. It's not about

0:57:07.400 --> 0:57:09.399
<v Speaker 1>not spending time with them or cutting them all off

0:57:09.480 --> 0:57:12.080
<v Speaker 1>or canceling them or calling them all problematic. But it

0:57:12.239 --> 0:57:15.759
<v Speaker 1>is about confronting certain privileges that they have that are

0:57:15.800 --> 0:57:19.640
<v Speaker 1>not deserved, and certain behaviors that they are apt to to,

0:57:20.120 --> 0:57:22.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, perform certain things that they're likely you know,

0:57:22.560 --> 0:57:25.000
<v Speaker 1>are allowed to do that are not good for us

0:57:25.200 --> 0:57:27.320
<v Speaker 1>or for themselves. Right, And so to the to what

0:57:27.440 --> 0:57:29.680
<v Speaker 1>she was talking about in the clip. You know, and

0:57:30.200 --> 0:57:33.439
<v Speaker 1>Betty free Dan is one of the most well known

0:57:33.600 --> 0:57:37.120
<v Speaker 1>kind of feminist thinkers, uh in history. But I will say,

0:57:37.240 --> 0:57:39.680
<v Speaker 1>and she certainly said some some things in her work

0:57:39.760 --> 0:57:42.360
<v Speaker 1>that was very you know, that was powerful and correct.

0:57:42.560 --> 0:57:44.360
<v Speaker 1>But I didn't get my game from my feminist game

0:57:44.400 --> 0:57:46.640
<v Speaker 1>from white women like that, you know, like that, that's

0:57:46.680 --> 0:57:48.520
<v Speaker 1>not where I look to to kind of like shape

0:57:48.560 --> 0:57:50.280
<v Speaker 1>it for me. It was Bell Hooks, it was Unlesta

0:57:50.280 --> 0:57:51.960
<v Speaker 1>Harris Perry, it was John Morgan. You know, these are

0:57:52.000 --> 0:57:57.120
<v Speaker 1>black women. UM and on some level Alice Walker it Now.

0:57:57.200 --> 0:58:00.640
<v Speaker 1>Can I ask you real quick because UM, I feel

0:58:00.680 --> 0:58:03.080
<v Speaker 1>like that's kind of similar to what we just talked about,

0:58:03.200 --> 0:58:06.840
<v Speaker 1>even um talking about the whole hierarchy. UM. When you

0:58:06.920 --> 0:58:10.520
<v Speaker 1>talk about women empowerment, UM, I like to think that

0:58:10.600 --> 0:58:12.560
<v Speaker 1>we're talking about all women, And I don't want to

0:58:12.600 --> 0:58:16.320
<v Speaker 1>all lives matter this thing at all, but um, why

0:58:16.440 --> 0:58:20.080
<v Speaker 1>not uplift the Latino women and the white women? And

0:58:20.200 --> 0:58:22.880
<v Speaker 1>why is it that we talk about white feminists and

0:58:22.960 --> 0:58:25.640
<v Speaker 1>black feminists and we're all women and we all have

0:58:26.080 --> 0:58:29.240
<v Speaker 1>fought the same oppression. Um well, maybe not in all

0:58:29.320 --> 0:58:32.160
<v Speaker 1>areas of course, black women having um to deal with

0:58:32.280 --> 0:58:36.480
<v Speaker 1>the slavery aspect of oppression as well. And I'm just

0:58:36.760 --> 0:58:40.120
<v Speaker 1>speaking it from an all women aspects. So why is

0:58:40.280 --> 0:58:43.360
<v Speaker 1>feminism even divided when we all kind of want to

0:58:43.520 --> 0:58:47.800
<v Speaker 1>do better as well as so, you know, when black

0:58:47.920 --> 0:58:52.360
<v Speaker 1>what the work of black feminism does actually does advocate

0:58:52.400 --> 0:58:55.360
<v Speaker 1>for all women. However, what it does not advocate for

0:58:55.480 --> 0:58:58.120
<v Speaker 1>us for white women to continue to have the unearned

0:58:58.160 --> 0:59:00.720
<v Speaker 1>privilege that they have not just as white people, but

0:59:00.800 --> 0:59:03.240
<v Speaker 1>as white women in particular, and so how they are

0:59:03.320 --> 0:59:06.760
<v Speaker 1>able in the workplace, in social settings, you know, and beyond,

0:59:07.240 --> 0:59:10.400
<v Speaker 1>to have undue influence over the lives of black women

0:59:10.440 --> 0:59:12.640
<v Speaker 1>and girls right the way that you know, you could

0:59:12.640 --> 0:59:15.040
<v Speaker 1>have a white female colleague just as light as you are,

0:59:15.800 --> 0:59:18.360
<v Speaker 1>you know, and you could be talking to each other

0:59:18.480 --> 0:59:21.520
<v Speaker 1>and the same, you know, the same tone of voice,

0:59:21.600 --> 0:59:25.320
<v Speaker 1>the same you know, volume, and she could very easily

0:59:25.440 --> 0:59:27.960
<v Speaker 1>just start crying and say you've intimidated her, and it

0:59:28.120 --> 0:59:29.720
<v Speaker 1>is going to be in good luck to you trying

0:59:29.720 --> 0:59:33.880
<v Speaker 1>to prove otherwise. You know, there are more Latino women

0:59:33.920 --> 0:59:35.880
<v Speaker 1>in this country than I mean Latino people that there

0:59:35.920 --> 0:59:40.840
<v Speaker 1>are black pent of the population I think for multiracial blacks.

0:59:40.960 --> 0:59:44.360
<v Speaker 1>So we're already tiny. Why can't we have a group

0:59:44.440 --> 0:59:47.040
<v Speaker 1>that shouts out and that leads with that? Right? Exactly,

0:59:48.360 --> 0:59:51.000
<v Speaker 1>a lot of Latino women are black too, you know

0:59:51.040 --> 0:59:53.400
<v Speaker 1>what I mean? So the one the ones who identify

0:59:53.480 --> 0:59:57.000
<v Speaker 1>as black, I've been and there's so many of them.

0:59:57.040 --> 0:59:59.000
<v Speaker 1>There's always been so many of them. They've always been

0:59:59.040 --> 1:00:00.920
<v Speaker 1>part of black feminist and you know, like that's that's

1:00:00.960 --> 1:00:03.439
<v Speaker 1>not new, that that's you know, something we talk about

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<v Speaker 1>more because we're better at talking about intersectionality, right, which

1:00:06.680 --> 1:00:09.400
<v Speaker 1>is having realized black feminism though as women of color period.

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<v Speaker 1>In my mind, you know what, it's it's interesting, So,

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<v Speaker 1>I um, there are ways so obviously white women have

1:00:15.840 --> 1:00:18.320
<v Speaker 1>power and privilege over women of color that you know,

1:00:18.440 --> 1:00:21.840
<v Speaker 1>we don't have over them, and in certain situations, other

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<v Speaker 1>women of color can have anti blackness fuel so much,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean, that you can have somebody

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<v Speaker 1>who's from you know, who does not have much, you know,

1:00:33.040 --> 1:00:35.000
<v Speaker 1>but has the and and they're not white. But what

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<v Speaker 1>they do have is that they're not black, and that

1:00:37.080 --> 1:00:39.760
<v Speaker 1>they can look at us like niggers too, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>And so that does come into play when you're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about women of color and feminism. I think, in general,

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<v Speaker 1>have women of color been better with each other than

1:00:46.480 --> 1:00:49.960
<v Speaker 1>white women have been to us? Absolutely? Is their coalition building,

1:00:50.160 --> 1:00:53.560
<v Speaker 1>is their multicultural feminists, you know, work being done, Yes,

1:00:53.640 --> 1:00:57.320
<v Speaker 1>and plenty of us black feminists I have relationships with

1:00:57.360 --> 1:01:00.439
<v Speaker 1>white women and white feminists organizations of publications. Not about

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<v Speaker 1>saying all over here, me over here, but it's about

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<v Speaker 1>we need to call a thing a thing. And so

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<v Speaker 1>white women have been able to dominate the conversation of

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<v Speaker 1>what it means to be a woman or what it

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<v Speaker 1>means to be a feminist, even if you're not a feminist.

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<v Speaker 1>What it means to be a woman in so many

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<v Speaker 1>ways has been defined by white womanhood. When you talk

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<v Speaker 1>about blackness, so much that has been defined by black malehood, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And so we exist at the intersection of both of

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<v Speaker 1>these oppressions, and these people, like our closest allies you

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<v Speaker 1>would think should be women, you know, white women and

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<v Speaker 1>women of other races, and black men. But white women

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<v Speaker 1>and black and black men in particular have this unique

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<v Speaker 1>ability to be Black men are our brothers, but in

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<v Speaker 1>some ways they can also be our oppressors. White women,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't have that feeling of sisterhood to them, which

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<v Speaker 1>makes it even more complicated. Right, so it's easy to

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<v Speaker 1>throw It's easier for many of us to throw white

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<v Speaker 1>women away than it is to throw black men away.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm not saying that we should by far, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what I mean. But it's like to be to

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<v Speaker 1>feel betrayed, you know. But when you're feeling betrayal over

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<v Speaker 1>you're talking about ways that you know they have power

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<v Speaker 1>over us. No, I haven't had a lot of white women,

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<v Speaker 1>especially in the workplace, treat me good. I Actually, it's funny.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of people will sometimes make comments to me,

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<v Speaker 1>not really if they're a listener of the show, because

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<v Speaker 1>they get me. But some people say like, oh, you're

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<v Speaker 1>only half white, why you be acting like them? Or

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<v Speaker 1>you're only half flack while you act like that, and um,

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<v Speaker 1>in the workplace, I've had instances where I'm ready to

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<v Speaker 1>go off. I call it my black out moments. And

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<v Speaker 1>I've had black women at work tell me and in

1:02:28.240 --> 1:02:31.760
<v Speaker 1>corporate America like, good, you're going to make us look crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>Even when these white girls were sitting in my face

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<v Speaker 1>like well you know, she was really like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a cross stuff with my sale and like she did

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<v Speaker 1>them and just just like what she was saying earlier

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<v Speaker 1>when we were talking about man, I just wish people

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<v Speaker 1>just like let your house ship out, like where are

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<v Speaker 1>you hiding? It's like those women, more often than not,

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<v Speaker 1>they knew just as well that those other black women,

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<v Speaker 1>the same way that you knew that what went down

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<v Speaker 1>was wrong, they knew it too, but they put on

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<v Speaker 1>that mask. They put it out like there's certain things

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<v Speaker 1>I'd be like just looking at like look at your podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>your tattoos, how your dressed, Like there are things that

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<v Speaker 1>you're just like, yes, I'm in corporate America, but corporate

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<v Speaker 1>America does not define me. And I can find success

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<v Speaker 1>and happiness in other parts of my life too, And

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<v Speaker 1>there are people that are like, you know, the only

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<v Speaker 1>thing I know is this is this, And if you

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<v Speaker 1>hate this away from me, how do I land in

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<v Speaker 1>another space? Like that? So you could lose your corporate job,

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<v Speaker 1>God forbid, and maybe have two podcasts within the span

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<v Speaker 1>of a week. They're like, Okay, well, if I'm not

1:03:23.360 --> 1:03:25.840
<v Speaker 1>working here, I gotta work at another here. And if

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<v Speaker 1>I pop up on somebody, I'm done. But you're you're

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<v Speaker 1>bringing up a lot of work. And I wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>even tie Alex into this if I can, because reading

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of feminist a lot of feminist tweets and

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<v Speaker 1>what they stand for, a lot of it does geared

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<v Speaker 1>toward the I don't need a man. I I work,

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<v Speaker 1>I make money. I can do what you can do.

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<v Speaker 1>What anything you can do, I can do better. There

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<v Speaker 1>was a whole thing in the nineteen fifties about that

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<v Speaker 1>and having the women empowerment UM thing. And I want

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<v Speaker 1>to know if you feel like that is hurting women

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<v Speaker 1>UM right now? And I say that to say, like

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of men now are expecting women to split

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<v Speaker 1>the bills. We're now doing the splitting dates, conversation on

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<v Speaker 1>who pays the date um, and now you have these

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<v Speaker 1>overly independent women. Is it hurting the And I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to relate it back to patriarchy, but we did

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<v Speaker 1>have a comment um. We had a b K chat episode,

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<v Speaker 1>Me and Weasy kind of went in on her because

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<v Speaker 1>she pretty much said her pussy was all she needed

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<v Speaker 1>to bring to the table, and Me and Weasy kind

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<v Speaker 1>of brought in the whole well, you don't cook, you

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<v Speaker 1>don't clean, and people were like, I can't believe Weasy

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<v Speaker 1>and Mandy are sitting here bringing up you know, because

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<v Speaker 1>she had a bigger point than that, and it it

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<v Speaker 1>took me a few weeks to realize that her point

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<v Speaker 1>was like, I got pussy, I don't have to do

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<v Speaker 1>all this ship to keep this nigga, And she was right,

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<v Speaker 1>And what do what do I? And I take a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of those things that I said to her back

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<v Speaker 1>because I really didn't I should have listened to the

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<v Speaker 1>whole clip. What what do you think, um, Alex Like,

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<v Speaker 1>as far as the feminist movement and women empowerment and

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<v Speaker 1>what we're doing and standing, is it kind of hurting

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<v Speaker 1>us in terms of dating and what men expect from

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<v Speaker 1>us and maybe this equality that we're speaking of, if

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<v Speaker 1>it's kind of hurting us in the long run or

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<v Speaker 1>making y'all less of what y'all need to be a

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<v Speaker 1>k amen, I wouldn't say it hurts you in any way. Actually, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>every person is different, men or women, so their expectations

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<v Speaker 1>are different as well. Me. Um, I guess you would

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<v Speaker 1>say a little bit more classic. I'm used to paying

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<v Speaker 1>when I go out to dinner, but when I've been

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<v Speaker 1>in long term relationships after a while, there may be

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes where it's like, hey, she'll treat me for this time.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's just not always, you know, and I like

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<v Speaker 1>when it happens, but if it didn't happen, I wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>look down upon her or whatever. But I like a nice, strong,

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<v Speaker 1>independent woman. That's cool, like I just it isn't different, interesting,

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<v Speaker 1>super attractive when we talk about, like, you know, an

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<v Speaker 1>independent woman versus a woman who's not independent, Like the

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<v Speaker 1>numbers show that most of us, at the at least

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<v Speaker 1>intended period of time in our lives are independent, So

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<v Speaker 1>you don't have to put a bow on in our

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<v Speaker 1>I don't talk about like as an independent woman, like yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I have a good job. I'm an adult, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I have responsibility to take care of like it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's And I was not born into a community where

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<v Speaker 1>I could take for granted that I could work around

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<v Speaker 1>and figure things out that one day I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>marry somebody who makes over six figures and we'll have

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<v Speaker 1>two kids, you know, a pick offense and a dog.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's just not reality for you know, for for

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<v Speaker 1>people in urban locations, let alone just black polter. I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to for a long time. And the more and

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<v Speaker 1>more money I make, yeah, I don't think I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>with my new job, I'm not gonna. It's gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>very difficult for me to meet someone that makes more

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<v Speaker 1>money to me. And I realized how that sounds like

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<v Speaker 1>I'm boasting, but it really is me having to knock

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<v Speaker 1>myself down to pig to say, bitch, chill the funk out,

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<v Speaker 1>like but and that's fine. I just I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>like I don't think one when I think of feminism,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not thinking about like paying for days, you know

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<v Speaker 1>what I'm saying, Like, I just think we have so

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<v Speaker 1>much bigger friendly, like we gotta teach, Yeah, we gotta,

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<v Speaker 1>we gotta teach, we gotta teach. I do the performative.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. It's funny. I when out with somebody who

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<v Speaker 1>was a little bit older and not too long ago,

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<v Speaker 1>and I didn't do I was like, you know what,

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<v Speaker 1>since you over forty starry and I don't usually date

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<v Speaker 1>older man and I'm like, I'm not even going to

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<v Speaker 1>pretend to reach, you know, with a guy who's younger

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<v Speaker 1>at my age, I'll do the kind of like I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not pretending to reach because I don't need you thinking

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<v Speaker 1>the next time you go out on page, appreciate it

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<v Speaker 1>fake reach. The guys know it's fake, but it's still

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<v Speaker 1>a nice gesture, you know. I think it's a stilly gesture.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that one when the bill come I'm looking

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<v Speaker 1>at my phone. Hey, I'm not feeling too good. Can

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<v Speaker 1>you want me to bring you something? You better not

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<v Speaker 1>tell me to come up doing with some soup? But

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<v Speaker 1>you know you need but you're not. But like I

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<v Speaker 1>really do want, Like when we think about feminism, Look,

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<v Speaker 1>me and you we hang out every week. And if

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<v Speaker 1>I got sick and you were like, literally, I can

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<v Speaker 1>I covering you some ship, I'd be like, no, why

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<v Speaker 1>am I going inconvenience you? And if you asked me

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<v Speaker 1>to do it and come all the way to Queen's,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm costing you out, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but we're friends. I'm talking about it. I was dating

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<v Speaker 1>somebody so real quick. I want to go ahead. Before

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<v Speaker 1>we go, I want to get into a homemail real quick.

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<v Speaker 1>While we're talking about women, women, women and women. I

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<v Speaker 1>thought that this was quite a funny. Um. A lot

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<v Speaker 1>of that we got in, and I think that we

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<v Speaker 1>could probably give her some good advice. It says, hey, girls,

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<v Speaker 1>love your podcast. Listening to you guys keeps my ass saying.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a woman and I am in a committed relationship

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<v Speaker 1>with another woman. I have had many men and have

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<v Speaker 1>fucked many women. However, she was the first girl I

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<v Speaker 1>have ever actually dated. I am the happiest I have

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<v Speaker 1>ever been with her. It's been two years, and frankly,

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<v Speaker 1>I missed the dick. The toys are just not doing

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<v Speaker 1>it anymore. I am seriously at a loss because I

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<v Speaker 1>love her to death and I am really happy. But man,

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<v Speaker 1>I miss being dicked down by a man. What do

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<v Speaker 1>I do? Thank you? By the way, this was titled

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<v Speaker 1>my heart wants the pussy, but my pussy wants the dick.

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<v Speaker 1>So is a girlfriend lesbian? Yes? Okay, open relationship? You

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<v Speaker 1>think you know my advice is gonna be open relationship

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<v Speaker 1>ship all day every day? I think, um, yeah, so

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<v Speaker 1>I think especially wanting to when you crave someone else. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>When I was with my ex, the one that I

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<v Speaker 1>talked about like left me for Jesus, one of the

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<v Speaker 1>things he said to me was like, I hate seeing

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<v Speaker 1>you with other women. Like we had three somethings together,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's like, I love you, I don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>share you. And that's when I knew that open relationships

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<v Speaker 1>is gonna be my thing, because I am truly bisexual,

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<v Speaker 1>and I really believe that if you keep holding out

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<v Speaker 1>like you love, it's only gonna take you so far

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<v Speaker 1>if your sexual desires are When I was in Miami,

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<v Speaker 1>I dated a girl UM and she treated me so good.

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<v Speaker 1>I say to this day, she probably treated me better

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<v Speaker 1>than any guy did UM and we actually had the

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<v Speaker 1>agreement that I could keep sucking Jordan's. She knew that

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<v Speaker 1>that was the guy that I enjoyed being with, and

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<v Speaker 1>so she literally we set those guidelines like Okay, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>the only girl that you can deal with, and he's

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<v Speaker 1>the only guy that you can deal with outside of me.

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<v Speaker 1>And I thought that as someone who wanted a relationship

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<v Speaker 1>with me, that she allowed me to express that I

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<v Speaker 1>still needed Dick in my life even though we did

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<v Speaker 1>the whole strop. I mean, trust me, it's an ego,

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<v Speaker 1>Bruce for someone to tell you that you can't satisfy

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<v Speaker 1>me in a certain way, And I can only imagine

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<v Speaker 1>how inadequate that other person may feel. But if you're

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<v Speaker 1>thinking about either stepping out and it's something you really needs,

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<v Speaker 1>you're already. If you're thinking about it, you're already teen.

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<v Speaker 1>It sounds it sounds like it's more to it than

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<v Speaker 1>just the feeling of you know, it's the connection with him.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the connection with the man because she's getting she said,

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<v Speaker 1>the toys just aren't doing it, And to me, that's

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<v Speaker 1>the penetration. I think it's definitely a body, actually more

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<v Speaker 1>than it's like the when I'm sleeping with a woman

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<v Speaker 1>and a man, I don't necessarily miss the other. But

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<v Speaker 1>I will say this much, when I'm with a woman,

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<v Speaker 1>the next thing that I'm excited for with a man

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<v Speaker 1>is his really random, but it's his sweat and his

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<v Speaker 1>chest and his arms, or like his thighs, how big

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<v Speaker 1>they are. When I start craving a woman, it's like breast,

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<v Speaker 1>it's hair, it's the smells, different thing, it's the different things.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's not necessarily that he can't give me this

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<v Speaker 1>smell of pussy that I missed. But there are certain

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<v Speaker 1>things that you crave, and I really don't think it

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<v Speaker 1>means that you don't love that person. No, it's interesting

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<v Speaker 1>I've heard, you know, because so I've heard so many

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<v Speaker 1>bisexual people, you know, talk about like, I hate that

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<v Speaker 1>people think we can't be monogamous, because we can. But

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<v Speaker 1>I also think that like what I don't think. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think it's necessarily bi sexuality that makes it impossible

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<v Speaker 1>for people to be I think it's just that who

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<v Speaker 1>that that person is just not wired for that are

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<v Speaker 1>interested in it because you could, like straight people are

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<v Speaker 1>not that good in monogamy the way they you know

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<v Speaker 1>what I'm saying, So that Tomson, Kevin Hard So I think,

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<v Speaker 1>what what, what's the problem? We can't call our n

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<v Speaker 1>don't right? We takes getting away because because men cheat,

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<v Speaker 1>they all cheat, Thank you black Mann. I don't like

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<v Speaker 1>that that joke was funny for like two weeks. It was.

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<v Speaker 1>It was funny for one minute, it was funny for

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<v Speaker 1>one Anyways, I wanted to go ahead before we wrap up,

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<v Speaker 1>where can our listeners find you? I feel like there

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<v Speaker 1>was so much that we did not get to motherfucking

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<v Speaker 1>get on. But we're gonna have to add that in

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<v Speaker 1>another time. I'm gonna give you the super brief just

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<v Speaker 1>like if you if I'm the first feminist you guys

1:12:22.120 --> 1:12:25.040
<v Speaker 1>that you ever heard not YouTube like listeners, hey listeners,

1:12:25.479 --> 1:12:27.840
<v Speaker 1>if you never heard of a feminist who wasn't just like,

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<v Speaker 1>because there's Twitter feminism and I'm just and then there's

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<v Speaker 1>like the form, there's the feminism that lives offline and

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<v Speaker 1>that's not like I know, and people comes right, and

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<v Speaker 1>so the thing is, it's kind of like somebody getting

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<v Speaker 1>really excited about healthy eating, right, Like you know what

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<v Speaker 1>if you know the differences? Someone said to me, and

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<v Speaker 1>I really appreciated this woman said it to me. I

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<v Speaker 1>was at a Christmas party. Sorry, I want to make

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<v Speaker 1>the short, and I had half of the room divided.

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<v Speaker 1>She said to me, That's how I know you're real

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<v Speaker 1>about your ship because you knew Niggs was gonna get

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<v Speaker 1>pissed and you knew conversations was gonna be uncomfortable, and

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<v Speaker 1>you still did it. That's fucking that's protesting, that's Black

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<v Speaker 1>Lives Matter ship, that's everything you really talking that ship,

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<v Speaker 1>And I think people people that don't like it, and yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you have some other people and not gonna like it,

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<v Speaker 1>but you're also not saying it because you know people

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<v Speaker 1>are gonna like it. You know, like there are a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of folks to just say things for shock value,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, saying anim today. And I'm like, every time

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<v Speaker 1>I know everybody's gonna be you know, then not everybody,

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<v Speaker 1>but every time I know that a bunch of men

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<v Speaker 1>are gonna be mad, you know, if it's our Kelly

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<v Speaker 1>or Bill Cosby, it's like, be mad. This is not

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<v Speaker 1>my problem, this is your problem. Purpose. What do you

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<v Speaker 1>think your main purposes before we wrap up, Like, for feminism,

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<v Speaker 1>what do you want the most? The most? I want

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<v Speaker 1>us to be empowered. I want us to feel free.

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<v Speaker 1>I want us to be happy. I want us to

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<v Speaker 1>have orgasms if we sell choose. I want us to

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<v Speaker 1>be able to do the things that we like to

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<v Speaker 1>do with the people we like to do them with.

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<v Speaker 1>I want us to have healthy, loving relationships with whomever,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and I want us to be respected by

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<v Speaker 1>our men, you know. And I'm like, I don't care

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<v Speaker 1>if you're a black man who only dates white women

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<v Speaker 1>who dates I mean, even though I do think we

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<v Speaker 1>get that. If you only date people who are not

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<v Speaker 1>like you, then yes, I do have to have some

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<v Speaker 1>serious questions for you. But if you're somebody who dates,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, all types of women of all types of

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<v Speaker 1>craze and colors, sometimes black, sometimes whatever, and you end

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<v Speaker 1>up marrying or you know, having children with somebody else,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think that means that you don't love or

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<v Speaker 1>you have to. Yeah, but like what I judge that

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<v Speaker 1>on is like do you love and respect black women?

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<v Speaker 1>You know? For if you're a black woman who's done that,

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<v Speaker 1>do you love and respect black men? Do you still

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<v Speaker 1>have black male you're black female friends in your life,

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<v Speaker 1>people who you can call in and who can call

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<v Speaker 1>on you. Are you gonna show up for us? It's

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<v Speaker 1>not about who you go home with, It's about like

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<v Speaker 1>your relationships to us, you know? Do you you see

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<v Speaker 1>us as less than these other women? Do you think

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<v Speaker 1>of us as only what we can do for you,

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<v Speaker 1>how we can help you, how we can support you

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<v Speaker 1>know and you women? And it's interesting because Abron said

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<v Speaker 1>that and people were mad at him, but like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he said, he said, Keyene is a hug from a

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<v Speaker 1>black you know, he needs a black woman hug or

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<v Speaker 1>black on a hugging or something you out and so

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<v Speaker 1>like in a lot of black women are like, no,

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<v Speaker 1>we're done being your meals. We don't need to, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like or a man sucking up should not be a

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<v Speaker 1>black woman's responsibility. And so I was torn because I

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<v Speaker 1>was like I feel that too. You know, they were

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<v Speaker 1>saying like they were like na brothers. He didn't told

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<v Speaker 1>us who what he thinks of us. I M like,

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<v Speaker 1>the whole Beyonce holds jay Z down, blah blah blah.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me tell you something. She got three goddamn kids. Please.

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<v Speaker 1>Jay Z is a grown ass man, and so is Kanye. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>like I wouldn't say that. I didn't like that. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't blame him. I'm like trying her best and you

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<v Speaker 1>were out here with with chicks on chains and pimpings,

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<v Speaker 1>so like you can't And that's the point. I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's like we can't be responsible for the actions. However,

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<v Speaker 1>I do wish that Kanye had black women surrounding him

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<v Speaker 1>with love who he also can pour back into. So

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<v Speaker 1>don't just call me when you need some help. This

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<v Speaker 1>should be a black women who you know, like and

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<v Speaker 1>I got and I've been producing records. But I remember

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<v Speaker 1>him talking about Siana Taylor and how he sat on

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<v Speaker 1>her record for too long. She's immensely talented. She should

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<v Speaker 1>be a recording star. She should be you know, for

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<v Speaker 1>for for a lot of these topics, and I know

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<v Speaker 1>you talk about them on your Twitter, your Instagram. You

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<v Speaker 1>post up where can our listeners catch you? Where can

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<v Speaker 1>they find you? Drop the at name? Do you have

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<v Speaker 1>a website? Drop all that information? Yes, it's on Twitter

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<v Speaker 1>and Instagram is at jamilamu. UM. We'll go ahead and

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<v Speaker 1>add that if I sat here and try to spell it,

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<v Speaker 1>we will definitely drop that UM in the description of

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<v Speaker 1>this bioble have it. We'll also have it when we

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<v Speaker 1>post um the clip to Instagram, UM and everything. And

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<v Speaker 1>I want to thank you so much for coming on.

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<v Speaker 1>You were amazing. You had this show extra woke. I

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<v Speaker 1>was just like, I know you don't like the work

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<v Speaker 1>hell um, but yeah, I appreciate it. I hope that

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<v Speaker 1>you guys enjoyed this episode. And for our patrons, what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna do is I'm gonna post um a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of the feminists um sources that I found, including the

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<v Speaker 1>video of the art of the audio that you guys

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<v Speaker 1>heard on this episode, as well as some first sources

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<v Speaker 1>um that are just really good to read up on

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<v Speaker 1>the history of feminism. So I'll include that if you

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<v Speaker 1>are a patron and the rest of y'all niggas um.

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<v Speaker 1>In a few days, we're gonna be in a t L.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, my period gonna be right off right and

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<v Speaker 1>she wants to so um we hope to see you

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<v Speaker 1>guys in the live show. Probably gonna be done working

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<v Speaker 1>on himself that weekend. Oh he ready, that did gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be slain? Wow? He taking in. He's all I'm anyway, guys,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you so much. This has been yet another episode

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<v Speaker 1>of horrible decisions by Bye