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Speaker 1: everybody I'm throwing I'm trying to look out for you.

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Speaker 1: I got this. You ain't gotta word about me, You

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Speaker 1: and what you do? Sure? Hillou know, my name is

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Speaker 1: Jimmie little mu Um. I'm a writer and a cultural

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Speaker 1: critic and VP of programming. What's a cultural touch critic?

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Speaker 1: Cultural credit? So she canceled people, That's what Van later

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Speaker 1: was like. So she basically canceled. Van always says, and

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Speaker 1: I'm like, I actually don't. I'm always doing like that.

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Speaker 1: like you it has to be like it's just like,

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Speaker 1: all right, So there's like she's like, Jamala, Okay, Jamila,

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Speaker 1: what you're about to say about Kanye? You're telling me

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Speaker 1: that everybody knows how much I love him? You about

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Speaker 1: you know what. You don't like the word woke, But

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Speaker 1: I think it's embarrassing. He say, why she not canceling Kanye?

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Speaker 1: So think back to what years in school? Right? You

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Speaker 1: But I am obsessed with Kanye right me and Alex

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Speaker 1: both we went to a fucking Kanye art show on

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Speaker 1: But it's an interview and you have to realize, although

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Speaker 1: Otherwise they wouldn't have gotten what they got from Kanye

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Speaker 1: But when he said the um slavery was a choice.

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Speaker 1: You're telling me how do you get mentally enslaved? Do

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Speaker 1: We could have broke free from that, but that was

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Speaker 1: And many of them did, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: it was from I have sold to pay for a

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Speaker 1: Kanye concert when I was in college. So you guys

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Speaker 1: how much I love Kanye. But I've used my money

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Speaker 1: to fucking support this motherfucker's so giving up my things

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Speaker 1: right now? I'm so embarrassed. I had no choice but

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Speaker 1: What we're gonna do this episode is we're gonna have

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Speaker 1: I makes it ever had to come in your eye?

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Speaker 1: I mean it makes it like a pink eye. But

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Speaker 1: it's I want to look contagious, or just get you

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Speaker 1: get flakes like white flakes? If that coan? You can

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Speaker 1: that mean getting my hair? Weghing really the greatest tragedy

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Speaker 1: That's right. The best way to say so, both of you,

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Speaker 1: both of y'all say though you would rather a nigga

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Speaker 1: It wouldn't bother me. That breaks, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: That's my routine right now. Well he came like so

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Speaker 1: long ago. He don't. He didn't remember. We ain't remember. Well,

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Speaker 1: because we know. You know why I want to say this?

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Speaker 1: Can you know why I want to say this? No?

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Speaker 1: Real quick, there is no impressing when we sucked three times,

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Speaker 1: Sorry it just can you interview with me? Story? So

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Speaker 1: this is the nigga? Why up to the block that

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Speaker 1: Can y'all not judge me? But yeah, he's she's his

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to get some out. But um no, I've

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Speaker 1: it's not's not me being emotional at all. This is

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Speaker 1: Fuck you. I don't let's get back to the baby

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Speaker 1: mama drama. It's no, I'm not gonna. Don't you want

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Speaker 1: adore him. We have a wonderful relationship. He's married. I love,

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Speaker 1: I can't even hold you like if me and say

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Speaker 1: it was fun. I just like it just happened out

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Speaker 1: he got money, we're rich. How many guest passes they

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Speaker 1: like and you know it was. I had a great time.

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Speaker 1: Um fuck y'all sit my god damn smoothie. Um. Anyways, guys,

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Speaker 1: god damn society. Sometimes it has to do with sex,

422
00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:26,720
Speaker 1: sometimes it doesn't. This specific one because we have another

423
00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:28,640
Speaker 1: woman in the house and we haven't had a woman

424
00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:30,600
Speaker 1: guest in a while, have we Not that I can

425
00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:34,520
Speaker 1: email guests, we just literally had, did we Yeah, Jesse,

426
00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:37,760
Speaker 1: oh okay, we were we were okay, but those were

427
00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:40,600
Speaker 1: okay with both of us. So, UM, I wanted to

428
00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:42,960
Speaker 1: bring this up. We haven't really had the discussion about it,

429
00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:45,800
Speaker 1: and a lot of our listeners say that we dropped

430
00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:48,600
Speaker 1: the ball in by not discussing it. So I kind

431
00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:50,600
Speaker 1: of wanted to bring up this topic. Um. It is

432
00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:53,000
Speaker 1: about the me too movement. Um. We kind of talked

433
00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:56,360
Speaker 1: about this a little bit before, so Russell Simmons. As

434
00:21:56,440 --> 00:22:00,560
Speaker 1: you guys know, he recently UM was char with a

435
00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:04,439
Speaker 1: sexual assault allegation. UM. And it's odd because he has

436
00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:08,520
Speaker 1: come forth issuing statements that he's now supporting the me

437
00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:12,479
Speaker 1: too movement? Can you turn this off? Oh, she has

438
00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:16,480
Speaker 1: a vibrator going on, bro, It's a vibrator that she

439
00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:19,960
Speaker 1: hasn't used yet. UM. Anyway, So I wanted to kind

440
00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:22,800
Speaker 1: of have the discussion with you guys if you feel

441
00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:26,800
Speaker 1: that a guy who has sexually assaulted a female in

442
00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:31,200
Speaker 1: any way possible, UM, if he can kind of support

443
00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:33,160
Speaker 1: this type of movement or what what do you think

444
00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:35,440
Speaker 1: of a guy who does no. I mean, this isn't

445
00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:39,080
Speaker 1: like this is like George Zimmerman coming out for Black

446
00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:43,320
Speaker 1: Lives Matter, you know what I'm saying. It's because he's like,

447
00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:45,160
Speaker 1: we're in the middle of it. We're not talking about

448
00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:48,879
Speaker 1: years later. I've been in therapy because that was the

449
00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:56,040
Speaker 1: story investigations. I think it's it's almost a UM. I

450
00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:57,879
Speaker 1: don't know if like his PR team made him do

451
00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:02,919
Speaker 1: something like this. Every big mockery out of these women, absolutely,

452
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:04,880
Speaker 1: and just the moment and just that you think you're

453
00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:07,600
Speaker 1: so arrogant to think that you're a necessary voice right now.

454
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:11,120
Speaker 1: I think the thing is he would have he played himself,

455
00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:13,800
Speaker 1: because early on, when the allegations started, you know, the

456
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:16,840
Speaker 1: first two, he responds with like, you know, I'm sorry

457
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,080
Speaker 1: for anyone that I've heard, you know, basically kind of

458
00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:21,359
Speaker 1: like I never thought i'd done something like this, but

459
00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:24,359
Speaker 1: I was young, I drugs. I'm a very different person now,

460
00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:27,399
Speaker 1: So anyone who I may have heard unintentionally blah blah blah,

461
00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:30,639
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. And so then as the allegations started piling up,

462
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:32,880
Speaker 1: that's when he's like he tried to do the hashtag

463
00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:37,040
Speaker 1: not me remember, and he believe any social for a minute,

464
00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,320
Speaker 1: like all his accounts were because it was really quick,

465
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:41,359
Speaker 1: because he had a whole like and as soon as

466
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:43,960
Speaker 1: he had accuses, he like stepped down from his position.

467
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:49,159
Speaker 1: That was also a pr was like, you're taking this

468
00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:51,120
Speaker 1: break from your you know, you can't be a public

469
00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:53,240
Speaker 1: figure right now. You can't be leaving these companies. You're

470
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:55,120
Speaker 1: gonna go work on you and figure this stuff out.

471
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:57,320
Speaker 1: And then as they started to come on, I guess

472
00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:00,200
Speaker 1: after a while he was like, no, not all of

473
00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:02,320
Speaker 1: these people are telling the truth, and I want to,

474
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:04,680
Speaker 1: you know, tell hi outside of the story, not me,

475
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:08,000
Speaker 1: you know. And then he started to kind of imply

476
00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:10,800
Speaker 1: that he hadn't really done anything too wrong to anyone.

477
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:12,960
Speaker 1: It just it was a bad one. Like I feel

478
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:14,920
Speaker 1: like he might have been going without his PR team

479
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,520
Speaker 1: before and now there might be someone trying to help

480
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:21,399
Speaker 1: that out a bit. But I just it's you know,

481
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 1: what he needs to do right now is sit down,

482
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:30,280
Speaker 1: be quiet, um, get some help for things. And I

483
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:33,280
Speaker 1: think it's crazy too because he is a man who

484
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:37,639
Speaker 1: has two daughters or maybe is it three. I mean,

485
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:41,920
Speaker 1: he has a lot of kids. I don't think well

486
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:44,119
Speaker 1: for him to have daughters. And I say that because

487
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:46,800
Speaker 1: he actually brought up his daughters in a post in

488
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,800
Speaker 1: saying this, Um, he said, shout out to black women

489
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:52,879
Speaker 1: just because um. He paid tribute to black women who

490
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,960
Speaker 1: have bared the biggest burden and the unequal treatment of

491
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:59,120
Speaker 1: women of all races and religions, and suggested that without

492
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:03,640
Speaker 1: guidance from the family enforces, then men will destroy the planet. Right,

493
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 1: it's just right wire you talking that a few weeks ago,

494
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 1: So shut up. It's just that's your take on this.

495
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 1: Do you feel do you feel like maybe it's something

496
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 1: that he just shouldn't even be talking about Yes, yes, agreed, right,

497
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,119
Speaker 1: you shouldn't be talking Can you just imagine It's like

498
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:24,680
Speaker 1: Snoop Dogg starts telling us, like from a from a

499
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 1: lighter scale, starts telling us that weed is bad for you.

500
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,160
Speaker 1: I should not let's talk about snows for a minute

501
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 1: because wait, the Snoop allegations against him. No, but but

502
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:43,880
Speaker 1: and I know I'm a little bit older, thank you all.

503
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:47,200
Speaker 1: But like I remember Snoop at the MTV Awards with

504
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:52,480
Speaker 1: the two women on chains like dogs write like you know,

505
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 1: was known as a pimp right like during his and

506
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:58,119
Speaker 1: has talked about it because I remember he did, like

507
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:00,240
Speaker 1: girls can a lot of stuff and I'm not saying

508
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:01,959
Speaker 1: that that, I'm not criticizing it might not have been

509
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 1: girls going well, but he did some sort of porn

510
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 1: kind of where he was hosting not you know, and

511
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 1: I'm not judging that stuff. But I remember him talking

512
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:11,720
Speaker 1: about pamping, you know, and so I'm like, if you

513
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,560
Speaker 1: were actually an active pamp to things that you did

514
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:17,399
Speaker 1: to women and girls, you don't have any row. And

515
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:19,439
Speaker 1: he and I know that he's been going in on Kanye.

516
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 1: I know that he's had this kind of race consciousness

517
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:23,879
Speaker 1: things going for a while, and I appreciate that, but

518
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 1: I'm like, where are you going to deal with your

519
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 1: gender stuff? You know, like when are you like, like,

520
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:29,679
Speaker 1: when are we going to talk about that? Make them?

521
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:31,880
Speaker 1: I'm not saying like Sloop you have to be canceled

522
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 1: forever because at this point, look you're doing a cooking

523
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 1: show with Martha Stewart, Like there's no there's also something

524
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 1: about just like how you know, brilliantius they talked about

525
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:43,440
Speaker 1: rape culture, how they didn't know and how Russell said

526
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 1: it was years ago. There was also something that I

527
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 1: think was more so widespread and more mainstream dieties acceptable

528
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,200
Speaker 1: as far as the treatment of women years ago. Absolutely,

529
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,399
Speaker 1: and I don't necessarily know if these men would do

530
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:58,440
Speaker 1: that today. But there's another thing to be said though

531
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 1: about a persona right, So like the girls unchained at

532
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 1: an awards show, it's this like I'm Snoop Dogg. It's

533
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:11,440
Speaker 1: like this lavish sub play. Whatever the pimp thing even

534
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,159
Speaker 1: I think, well no, but he was claimed to have

535
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 1: actually had women in his stable, that he was a pimp.

536
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:22,120
Speaker 1: But it was a thing that was so fucking cat

537
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 1: williams um, what was it do? That was on next

538
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 1: Friday that was next to him, Magic Mike or something,

539
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:29,400
Speaker 1: Magic mic something like that. All of these dudes were

540
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,200
Speaker 1: like it was like to boast and brag about it

541
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,639
Speaker 1: made it fucking cool. But I only wanted to be

542
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 1: with pimps. Actually, we have an episode coming out with

543
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 1: a girl named Ali x x X. I didn't know this,

544
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 1: but I kind of assumed that there had to have

545
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:42,119
Speaker 1: been something good about being with a pimp, So I

546
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 1: asked her. She was a former escort. I said, does

547
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 1: it give you safety? Like broken woman? You know what

548
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like, does it give you safety? Does it

549
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:50,640
Speaker 1: like does he stand by you? Does he make sure

550
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 1: that the men are like screen or something like that.

551
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 1: She's like, no, they literally take your money. Women just

552
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 1: want to have someone. But I think also when you

553
00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 1: we're looking back into the hip hop culture and how

554
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 1: they did women, um tip Drill was one of the

555
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 1: most like iconic videos and if we progress and I

556
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 1: don't think but even looking back at that video, Okay, Alex,

557
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:15,399
Speaker 1: don't be over there reminiscent now because stuff. But the

558
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,679
Speaker 1: thing is, so I don't think I like stripper culture.

559
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 1: I don't think there's any I like strippers you know,

560
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:22,919
Speaker 1: I'm saying I've never thought anything was wrong with stripping.

561
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 1: The problem is not the dancer system men, right, So

562
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,119
Speaker 1: like people talk about like, oh, she's a dancer or

563
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 1: she does sex work. Clearly no dad, no self esteem,

564
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:34,159
Speaker 1: no goals, no educate, all these things that are oftentimes,

565
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 1: you know, arguably more often than not wrong, right, Like

566
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 1: many of them brilliant girls where they go to college

567
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 1: or not right, many don't have great relationships with their

568
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 1: families and they this is what they wanted to do,

569
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 1: or and maybe they don't, maybe they don't love it,

570
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:47,479
Speaker 1: but they're like, it's a job in the same way

571
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 1: do you love cooking fries? Do you love And it's

572
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 1: the closest thing to sales work, you know. But but

573
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 1: what stripper that you really don't want to dance for

574
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 1: you and you spend their money like you spend your

575
00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 1: money on them. They'd be like, come on, Like the

576
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 1: problem is that there are so many men who don't

577
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 1: know how to respect women period. Right. So it's like

578
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 1: I don't think that if he says, well, you treat

579
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 1: a housewife like a housewife and a hooker like a hooker,

580
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 1: that that don't don't think he respects the housewife, right, like,

581
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 1: don't think that for a minute. Like if you don't

582
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 1: see the ability of us to be full human beings

583
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 1: who deserve you know, maybe you don't want to be

584
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 1: married to somebody who's on a pole, that's your right,

585
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 1: the same way the pole dancer could be like, I

586
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 1: don't want to be married to a square who works office. Right,

587
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 1: there's nothing wrong with them, But when you say that

588
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 1: the quality of that person, you're right, it's different because

589
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 1: this one does something related to sex and this one doesn't.

590
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 1: And so with so many men come into the clubs

591
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 1: with the attitude that's someone just hey, we go have fun,

592
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 1: we slap ass, we talk ship, you know, get a dance,

593
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 1: maybe something extra bout They still respect these women as people,

594
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 1: but it's a lot of them to think that with

595
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 1: their little you know, and they come in that they've

596
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 1: bought her, you know, like not nothing. That sex work

597
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 1: is um something that women too to do. And like

598
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 1: some women and were the ones we've at least interviewed,

599
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 1: including Allele here soon enjoyed what she did. She she's

600
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 1: now she's a mom now and she said, shit, I

601
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 1: miss having an adventure and any man and ship like that.

602
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 1: All these women aren't fucking broken something else. It's something

603
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 1: that I feel is strange and I don't know why

604
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 1: men do it, And maybe you have an answer to this,

605
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 1: but even a female who's open with her sexuality or

606
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 1: one who chooses to get into stripping or porn um,

607
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 1: they blame it on daddy issues. Um. A lot of

608
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 1: men feel like had had a man been involved, she

609
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 1: wouldn't be doing Chris Rock joke. You know, my job

610
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 1: is to keep him off the pole. You know, my

611
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 1: number one job as a father is to keep my

612
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 1: daughters off the pole. And I remember laughing at it

613
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 1: at the time when it came out, and everybody laughed

614
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 1: at it. And you know my dad would you reference

615
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 1: him from time to time, and he made a joke

616
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 1: about the other day and I was like, well, actually, know,

617
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 1: your job is to make sure that your daughter is happy, healthy,

618
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 1: and well adjusted, whether she's on a pole or not.

619
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 1: And Dan that would say an entertainment industry women that

620
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 1: would say they still don't want their kids, do I

621
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 1: think that? Yeah? But I think the something absolutely yeah.

622
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 1: I agree. Yeah. And the stigma and the lack of

623
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 1: safety in a world where you know, women are already

624
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 1: sigmatized and and already unsafe. That yes, in certain environments

625
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 1: is it's exacerbated by doing sex work right. And some

626
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 1: of them is super safe and some of them is

627
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 1: not so. And your average person doesn't know the spectrum

628
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 1: of all the different things you could be doing, you

629
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like you couldn't be safe, you

630
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 1: could be empowered, You could be surrounded by women and

631
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 1: people who care about you. But they can only see

632
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: the ceedy motel from the amateur horn, you know, they

633
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 1: can only see the stories in the newspaper about somebody

634
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 1: getting murdered off of Craigslist and stuff. So it's not

635
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 1: you know, I don't think we should be surprised. The

636
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 1: families are like, this isn't what I want for my child.

637
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 1: But what we have to really, you know, as a feminist,

638
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 1: Like for me, it's about encouraging people to like, don't

639
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 1: talk about these women and girls, is that they're less

640
00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 1: than somebody who does something, you know, quote a respectable

641
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,479
Speaker 1: And I want to bring up that I thought was amazing.

642
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 1: And I hate to bring up all these tidbits and

643
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 1: pieces from an episode that people are gonna hear, but

644
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 1: we I interviewed an escort that said, I'm so tired

645
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 1: of the whole hierarchy, and Cardi B said something about,

646
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 1: don't get it twisted. I wasn't sucking for money. I

647
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 1: was just a stripper, And she's like, okay, there's the

648
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 1: one hose, you know, not greater than the other hole.

649
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 1: She said that street walkers look at women that are

650
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 1: escorts online like they're lazy, and the other ones look

651
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 1: at them like they're dirt. And it's like, but we've

652
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 1: all fucking done it though, But unfortunately, that's what I'm saying, Like,

653
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 1: as women, we already have men beating us down and

654
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 1: saying certain things, um, because of the choices we make

655
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 1: with our bodies. I feel like, as women and people,

656
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 1: especially as us wanting to empower each other, shouldn't be

657
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 1: sitting here making any type of hierarchy or thinking, um,

658
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 1: I'm a better home because I charged a thousand dollars

659
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:56,239
Speaker 1: and you only charge two hundred. Maybe people all right, well,

660
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 1: part of that is like that is patriarchy, right, So

661
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 1: the same way like the things that the men say

662
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 1: to us, like oh, you know, I'm judging you based

663
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 1: on how many people you've been with or how sun

664
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 1: your skirt is or whatever, like when we're so often

665
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 1: we're competing for men, either actually a real life man

666
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 1: or just the idea of who's a more desirable woman,

667
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 1: who has who occupies a better station in society, you know,

668
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:20,719
Speaker 1: and so much of that is tied to our relationships

669
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 1: to men. On the other side, it's just capitalism, right,

670
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 1: So it's like the same way the person who waits

671
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 1: tables at you know, Ruth Chris might look down at

672
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 1: the person who waits table looks down at Danny's who

673
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 1: looks down And McDonald the girl um a few years

674
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 1: ago who was a waitress or maybe bartender at a

675
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 1: high end restaurant, and she would always talk about girls

676
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 1: that worked like an old garden. I'm like, man, but

677
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 1: it's probably busier. Like I mean, like just to just

678
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 1: to to judge based off that. I think that it's

679
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 1: um counterproductive and what a lot of us women are

680
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:55,959
Speaker 1: trying to do when we're trying to build each other

681
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 1: up and I and I think, without knowing it, a

682
00:33:58,200 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 1: lot of us beat each other down and it's it's

683
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 1: it's hecky, and I think it's something that should probably

684
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 1: stop even when we do it subconsciously where we don't

685
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 1: know we're doing it, and I look down on other

686
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 1: women not based on like what I've achieved that they haven't,

687
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 1: or you know, something about me I think is better,

688
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:16,320
Speaker 1: you know, in terms of some kind of measure of

689
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 1: what we call successful or important or significance. Like when

690
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 1: I look down at somebody, it's because of their like

691
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 1: their behavior and how they treat other people, you know

692
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So if I'm like, oh, she's an asshole,

693
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 1: you know, like she's not kind to people, she's selfish,

694
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 1: she's rude, like, and that's what we should do this

695
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 1: sort of thing. That Something that I have been struggling

696
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 1: with since starting the show is I get really exhausted

697
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 1: with women that hide their whole ship. And I think

698
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 1: that's been something that's been misconstrued with me on the

699
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 1: show because I'll say all the time, like, put these

700
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 1: girls do this and they hide it into blah blah.

701
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:50,360
Speaker 1: Because I feel like, if I'm a girl that's sitting

702
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 1: here putting myself on the line to make other women

703
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 1: feel uncomfortable, like I feel comfortable about what they feel,

704
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 1: feel more comfortable and feel more accepted, I want like

705
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 1: women to do the same. I think this is still

706
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:04,879
Speaker 1: going back to judging. I don't think that. I don't.

707
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 1: I don't feel like every woman has to be open

708
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 1: with their sexuality or how they get money or what

709
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 1: they do behind. I think a lot of the people

710
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: that we do UM get out of their shell are

711
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:19,399
Speaker 1: doing so with their partners, and they're glad to hear

712
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 1: like minded people. But I don't think that just because

713
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 1: we're openly talking about suck, you know, openly talking about sucking,

714
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 1: did no I know what you're saying that I know

715
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 1: what you're referencing to. I just feel like even if

716
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,360
Speaker 1: x X girl, or if we have an escort on

717
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 1: the show who's openly talking about her experience as an escort,

718
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 1: as we did with a future guest, that you guys

719
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 1: will hear. I don't think that she's any better than

720
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:46,760
Speaker 1: a woman who doesn't, who does escorting and doesn't share

721
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 1: this with the public or their friends. I think that

722
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:51,800
Speaker 1: you have the choice, UM, and it makes you no

723
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 1: less whether you want to be open about your sexuality

724
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 1: and how you make your money compared to another woman

725
00:35:56,600 --> 00:36:00,319
Speaker 1: who wants may want to keep the sex. We're gonna

726
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 1: get stuck on this it's fine. I just think it's

727
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 1: the same thing. So we'll go ahead and get into

728
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 1: our kick of the week. And um, actually I didn't

729
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 1: want to address that though. Okay, okay, I'm not entirely clear.

730
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:13,839
Speaker 1: Aren't either of your points, you know? But I think

731
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 1: I was like I was with you us, like I

732
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 1: know what you're saying, no chin, And then I was like,

733
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:17,320
Speaker 1: I know what she's saying. Now I'm confused with what

734
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 1: you're saying. But um, in terms of like women being free,

735
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 1: like I you know, from much of my life, like

736
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 1: this is really wild to me to see that I've

737
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 1: been a feminist since I was like twelve or thirteen,

738
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 1: you know, like I remember, I haven't remember my parents

739
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 1: being like, well no, you know. Now they're all in

740
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 1: and they call themselves that. But like, second, I just

741
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:37,360
Speaker 1: want to point out that they are both at the

742
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 1: edge of their seat because there they are waiting to

743
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 1: see who you agree with. I understand what Maddy's saying

744
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 1: to I just think that Mandy isn't hearing me. I

745
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,400
Speaker 1: think they were. I think they were making two different points.

746
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 1: We were. I think they were like I don't think

747
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 1: that they were like That's why it sounds like we think.

748
00:36:58,320 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 1: I don't think they. I think they were just like

749
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 1: this is an apple and this is and if we

750
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 1: all just embraced our sexuality, we wouldn't have women feeling

751
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 1: ashamed for it. So I have so I do have

752
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 1: a response to that, and I think it touches on

753
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 1: what you were talking about too on some levels. So

754
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 1: hopefully this is a good middle ground. So they're like,

755
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:20,360
Speaker 1: so because I had this feminist thing very early on,

756
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 1: you know, I had I didn't have the best I

757
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:25,799
Speaker 1: didn't have a lot of relationships with boys and had

758
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 1: crushes and stuff in terms of high school and even college,

759
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 1: you know, just a little bit of sex and a

760
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 1: lot of making now but not you know, I wasn't

761
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 1: really going there yet. But when I was, I was

762
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 1: really comfortable just talking about it and talking about my

763
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 1: interests in it, you know, um in ways that a

764
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 1: lot of my friends weren't, like I remember being in

765
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 1: high school, and at this point we must have been

766
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 1: pretty early in high school. Nobody allegedly because I'm sure

767
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:50,280
Speaker 1: someone I wasn't, you know, but allegedly nobody had performed

768
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 1: oral section, right, and so all the other girls are

769
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 1: talking out I'm never gonna do that. I'm never gonna

770
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 1: do that, And somebody's kind of like, you know, only

771
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 1: with my husband, blah blah blah. And I was the

772
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 1: only one who was like, you know, guys, it's not

773
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 1: that bad. I hadn't done it yet, but I'm just

774
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 1: in there, like I think that's just part of sex,

775
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 1: you know, Like, and I'm sure that most of them

776
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:09,479
Speaker 1: kind of like, yeah, they might have been a little

777
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 1: grossed out by it, but I'm sure somewhere deep down

778
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 1: they either all knew that they would do it eventually,

779
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 1: some of them were probably really curious about it, if

780
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 1: not really ready and excited to do it, and at

781
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 1: least one of them probably had already done it, you

782
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Um, but like we were at

783
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 1: that point, this is what we were judged doing. You

784
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:26,919
Speaker 1: know that you're the girl who doesn't do those things.

785
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 1: We know this when she sleeps, you know, she stopped

786
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 1: the basketball team, so and so they you know, they

787
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 1: ran a train on her. She went home with this one.

788
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:35,240
Speaker 1: Like at that point in our lives, the Slett shaming

789
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,839
Speaker 1: was like, you know, the virtue was being the hot

790
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 1: girl who was sexy enough but who wasn't necessarily having

791
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 1: sex with anyone or with many people, and so like

792
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 1: there was when someone decides that's exactly and so that

793
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 1: I don't use the word home or sledt, like I

794
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:52,840
Speaker 1: don't believe that homes exist, you know, Like I understand.

795
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 1: It's taken me a while to kind of make peace

796
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 1: with like like when the first slow walk happened, like

797
00:38:57,560 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 1: way before Amber got into it, I remember it was

798
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 1: kind of like online it was like black girls versus

799
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:03,320
Speaker 1: white girls and white girls, you know, the black girls

800
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:07,320
Speaker 1: were like weird, like fighting to be treated as for

801
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 1: us to not get caught, like y'all are trying to

802
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 1: reclaim slut and we're trying to be called by our

803
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 1: names and so okay, so I'll tell you. So I

804
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 1: think it's super cute and I do like it. And

805
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 1: it took me. So this was years of me making

806
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 1: because when people the whole pro ho and hope, you know,

807
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 1: like whole ship, I'm like, but there's no such thing

808
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 1: as a hole. We just do what we should be

809
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,319
Speaker 1: able to do what we want. Like, yeah, I think

810
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:32,760
Speaker 1: that the rule should just be be respectful of yourself,

811
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:36,320
Speaker 1: of whomever you're dealing with, you know, whether it's casual

812
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 1: or serious, you know, be honest, be truthful, be be responsible,

813
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 1: you know, like you don't have to tell like if

814
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 1: you if you're actually fun, if you're if we're fun?

815
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 1: Buddy's like, are you really my buddy? Are we friends?

816
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 1: You know? I mean are the homie lover friend thing? Like?

817
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 1: Are we actually friends? Or do we just fun? And

818
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 1: those are two different relationships and they're both acceptable. But

819
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 1: we're not gonna pretend like we're friends. Who you know

820
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,080
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like, don't let me if I if

821
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 1: I'm having sex with you and my tire blows out,

822
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 1: I should be able to call you, not because I

823
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 1: think you're my man, but because I'm a human being

824
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 1: with whom we share this experience. You know what I'm saying.

825
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 1: If you value me enough to to allow to to

826
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 1: come inside of my body, you should care about my safety. Right,

827
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 1: Maybe you're not the one to call and help, you know,

828
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 1: come hang out with me just because I'm bored, because

829
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 1: maybe that's not our relationship, but you should not. I

830
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 1: shouldn't feel that you would let me out somewhere without

831
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:28,880
Speaker 1: a ride, or that you wouldn't make sure I got

832
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 1: home safe, or that you wouldn't care if something happened

833
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 1: to one of my parents, like you know, like, and

834
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 1: I say this all the time and time to the

835
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:37,359
Speaker 1: college shoes and I'm like, only have sex with people

836
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,320
Speaker 1: who respect you, period, and that's also respecting your pleasure.

837
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:42,840
Speaker 1: So maybe our interactions are very limited to I'm not

838
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 1: would never text him for a tire because that's not

839
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:48,279
Speaker 1: who he is. I'm only texting him. But even that,

840
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:51,360
Speaker 1: but even with that, does he care if you came that?

841
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like, when are you bringing

842
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:57,320
Speaker 1: this up? Because on an earlier episode, UM, I was

843
00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 1: uncomfortable with hearing the world word, and sometimes I still am.

844
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 1: I have some insecurities with people thinking I'm a total

845
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:03,800
Speaker 1: horror right or saying these words to me. Sometimes it

846
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 1: can feel uncomfortable with being called promis is because the

847
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:13,800
Speaker 1: definition was having sex with no remorse or something like that. Anybody.

848
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:17,360
Speaker 1: I remember my main point in that conversation that Mandy

849
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:21,360
Speaker 1: and I had was but I definitely established connections, and

850
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 1: I think that's the key to wanting to make a

851
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 1: horrible decision and keeping that respect there even for yourself.

852
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 1: If I make that connection within two hours and we

853
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:33,280
Speaker 1: have sex, or if I make it in two months.

854
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:35,439
Speaker 1: I still want to make sure there is a ground

855
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 1: level for respect. But that's what's kept me from feeling

856
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:40,840
Speaker 1: confident in the decisions I made, whether real, horrible and

857
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:43,240
Speaker 1: skanky or not. You know what I'm saying. I haven't

858
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 1: had a like a train or because people love to

859
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 1: use his word train or male male females. But I

860
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 1: want to make sure that when I do, both of

861
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 1: these men respect me enough. And I want to get

862
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 1: have two dicks slapping across my face. And I think

863
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 1: that's why I think the name of the podcast is

864
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:57,839
Speaker 1: super cute. And I'm just like, you know what they

865
00:41:57,880 --> 00:41:59,840
Speaker 1: speak about things, not just you out, but just like

866
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:01,799
Speaker 1: and there's plenty of women. It's not necessarily and aged thing,

867
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 1: you know, Like there are plenty of women who are

868
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 1: just like, yeah, I'm doing a whole show, you know,

869
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. And they've reclaimed it and so in

870
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:10,800
Speaker 1: the way that it ain't the first word we've reclaimed.

871
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 1: And I know that, like black people, reclaiming the N

872
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 1: word did not change how white folks felt about saying

873
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:17,839
Speaker 1: it to us about us. You know, all it did

874
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:19,840
Speaker 1: was make them mad that you know, we try to

875
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 1: tell them that he used it. And by the way,

876
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:23,359
Speaker 1: we can't tell them, you know, we tell them all

877
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 1: we want, but they still use it um, including the

878
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 1: ones that will sit there and argue with you about

879
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 1: like it's not fair that I can't they say that

880
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 1: ship's but but I think that because I mean, being

881
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 1: a nigger is not a real thing. It's a concept

882
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 1: that they came out with. But being a hole, being

883
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 1: a slut like those are not real things. And so

884
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:43,320
Speaker 1: I think the more that women just claim it, I

885
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 1: do think that this these words have the path like

886
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 1: that the power can be taken away. So you can't

887
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 1: call me that. If somebody that was on a life show,

888
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:52,399
Speaker 1: I don't want to mention his name, but we don't

889
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 1: know if he got into me and you or had

890
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 1: this conversation with both of us. But he said, how

891
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:58,919
Speaker 1: can I not call you a hole? We're not your show.

892
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 1: Me and Mandy had a competition who was the bigger

893
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 1: home and we talked about little skinky things we did

894
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 1: and who people got to vote at the end of

895
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:08,319
Speaker 1: yellow names who did the more hole ship, most hoh ship.

896
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 1: And he said that why can't I say it? And

897
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 1: to me it reverts back to like you choose what

898
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 1: I want you to say. Do white people are they

899
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 1: allowed to call this nig because they listen to this

900
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:19,360
Speaker 1: in musical time? And what's your intention in calling me that?

901
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:22,840
Speaker 1: Are you saying it like, yes, bitch, you better be

902
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:26,800
Speaker 1: on your hole ship? Are you calling me? Are you

903
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:28,879
Speaker 1: looking down it? It's like that video when the girl

904
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 1: said bitch in different ways, by bitch exactly mean it's

905
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:37,839
Speaker 1: a different thing. And I had this actual this conversation UM,

906
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 1: because we have this show UM and we call, you know,

907
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 1: our listeners the whore hive, and we make fun of

908
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 1: the word UM. I had this issue. And I hate

909
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 1: to bring him up again, but Um Tahoe, who has

910
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 1: been on this show quite a couple of times. I

911
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 1: went on his show and he kind of introduced me

912
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 1: as oh and afterward I had a problem with it

913
00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 1: because it's just like for you to introduce me to

914
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 1: an audience in that way when I'm someone that you know,

915
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 1: that you call for advice, that you ask for business decisions,

916
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 1: and so to kind of belittle me as a person

917
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 1: to just this is a hole that's coming on the show.

918
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 1: And that's my problem because I can do I can

919
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 1: suck dick. I can have sex. And that's kind of

920
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:19,360
Speaker 1: why we like to mention that we're two women in

921
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 1: corporate America, because what you're not gonna do is demean

922
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 1: me as a woman because of the choices that I

923
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 1: make in the bedroom. When you know me as such

924
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 1: is so much more. And that was my issue with

925
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 1: him and even this is fat and it's funny because

926
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 1: like one, that's why, And that was my issue with

927
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 1: using the word period because I'm like, if we allow

928
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 1: it to fester, you know what I mean, because I

929
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:38,840
Speaker 1: don't even like I would only use it to for

930
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 1: to mail, you know, people of any gender that did

931
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:45,320
Speaker 1: fucked up stuff. So like he's cheating on his wife

932
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 1: or you know she lied, you know something about deceptions,

933
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:50,879
Speaker 1: just something that like that to me is where more

934
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:52,799
Speaker 1: like deception, you know what I mean. Like I think

935
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 1: it's okay, I like to sleep with three hundred people

936
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 1: in three hundred days if you want to. But what

937
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 1: my problem is with the one person cheese on their

938
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 1: one partner one, you know what I mean, Like in

939
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 1: an a in a long term affair and hides it

940
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:07,359
Speaker 1: to me, You're the bad guy, not the person who

941
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 1: had a whole lot of sex. You know that the

942
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:12,880
Speaker 1: person who heard somebody um and willingly did and did

943
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:14,359
Speaker 1: it over and over and over and over again. Right,

944
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 1: So I didn't say one person one time when I

945
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 1: was like, no, like these people still don't know the

946
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:20,279
Speaker 1: comfortability and for what happened to you though I don't

947
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 1: think he knew. I really don't believe he knew what

948
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 1: your reaction to be because men don't understand and they

949
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:30,279
Speaker 1: haven't been getting enough. It's like men don't get what

950
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:31,880
Speaker 1: they can. I really don't think they knew how to

951
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 1: treat us yet, so they don't and we don't require

952
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 1: us to their fault, Alex. Alex is agreeing? Or are

953
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:40,799
Speaker 1: you disagreeing? Why do you disagree? Men were never sure

954
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 1: all men? We never We don't. But when I heard it, right,

955
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 1: when I heard it, I remember feeling like it wasn't

956
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 1: that big of a deal. But I also couldn't say

957
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 1: that because that's all how she takes it. Maybe I

958
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 1: wouldn't have sat there and thought it was a big deal,

959
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 1: but she took it that way, and that he was

960
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 1: It sounds like he's implying something, you know, like he

961
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 1: makes it. This is what bothers me. The stand like, yes,

962
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 1: you call yourself that you have the podcast you talk

963
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:11,399
Speaker 1: about it, but like those same behaviors in a man

964
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:15,359
Speaker 1: would just be a guy who has a lot of sex, right,

965
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 1: you know, so if you were to eat I don't know.

966
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:21,440
Speaker 1: I just I think that they know even if you

967
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 1: claim it, there's still a level to which there's a

968
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 1: thing that people just decided about you. Whether they affirm

969
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 1: it or not, there's just the thing. And I for me,

970
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 1: I just think that the stand like you, if you

971
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 1: call yourself a home because you feel like your whole,

972
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 1: you're a whole, then that's fine. But I would never

973
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 1: call somebody that based on how much sex they have,

974
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 1: because who am I to come? There's there's no like,

975
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 1: where's the rule book? But it's what I mean, where's

976
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:48,839
Speaker 1: the standard? What's appropriate? What? We reviewed a girl jasel Marie,

977
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 1: who is a leader of a stripper strike, and I

978
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 1: believe I are you. I think it might have been

979
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:55,279
Speaker 1: me said, oh, we've got to strip her on she

980
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 1: was I have an adult entertainer. Even though she called

981
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 1: it the stripper strike. Um remember that, and like she

982
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 1: stopped me and I remember, like, and I didn't want

983
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 1: to be disrespectful, but I also thinking like, will you

984
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:08,239
Speaker 1: call it that and it's the same ship. Yeah, but

985
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:12,320
Speaker 1: think about it and exactly so, like the branding, I

986
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 1: have the stripper on and I have been doing all

987
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 1: this and leading the goddamn protests in March. Bitch, nah,

988
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 1: that's how she Stripper Strike was a good like you know,

989
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 1: adult like adults entertained or walk out. It's not going

990
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:27,239
Speaker 1: to have the same punches stripper strike, you know. Like,

991
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 1: So I'm loving where all of this is going. And

992
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 1: Alex looks like he wants to jump down. You really

993
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:35,879
Speaker 1: jump down. Let's take a quick I want to take

994
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:37,759
Speaker 1: a quick break and we'll be right back. Hey, guys.

995
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:40,360
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1019
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Speaker 1: I know we've been going up and down. You guys

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Speaker 1: sometimes say we're too loud, then you guys say we're

1041
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:48,840
Speaker 1: too low. Well, now hopefully that's not a problem going forward.

1042
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 1: We told Alex he got to speak up. It's all

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Speaker 1: into the motherfucking topic with UM kind of how we

1056
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:33,759
Speaker 1: feel about the word horror and UM one thing that

1057
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:36,879
Speaker 1: I wanted to get into. And we'll just added into

1058
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 1: our horrible decision because normally what we do is we

1059
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 1: add we have kinks. UM every week we do a

1060
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:44,800
Speaker 1: kink of the week, and this week with feminism, and

1061
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 1: and I had to do a little what is feminism? First?

1062
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:50,640
Speaker 1: Can you tell us what a feminist is? Yeah, a

1063
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:54,400
Speaker 1: feminist is a person who believes that all genders are equal.

1064
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 1: A feminist, yes, you're a feminist? Are a lot of

1065
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:02,719
Speaker 1: people We'll say things like oh feminists, so can we

1066
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 1: explain how this is not going to be a male

1067
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:08,359
Speaker 1: bashing and why where where's that misconception coming from? Because

1068
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 1: it'll lead into where we're from, you know, I mean,

1069
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 1: feminism exist, and there's lots of different types of feminism, right.

1070
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 1: Think of feminism as marijuana, you know, like there's a

1071
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:22,719
Speaker 1: sativa and there's an end, because there's different feminism. There's

1072
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:28,319
Speaker 1: white feminist, yes, so there's white feminism. There's you know, um,

1073
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 1: there's first wave feminism and second wave feminism, and there's

1074
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 1: you know, radical feminily, there's just lots of what kind

1075
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:35,800
Speaker 1: would you say that you align with? I mean I

1076
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 1: tend to just use the you know, the phrase black feminists,

1077
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 1: you know, black feminist thought, um, which does have a

1078
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:44,719
Speaker 1: whole history and a trajectory and really, you know, I

1079
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:47,719
Speaker 1: won't get to to too walky and all that stuff here,

1080
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:51,720
Speaker 1: but you know, like people have done serious work fleshing

1081
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 1: out these ideas thinking about how we relate to men,

1082
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:57,320
Speaker 1: to the world around us two people of other races,

1083
00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:00,400
Speaker 1: and have written brilliant things and explain things very plainly,

1084
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 1: you know, but at the heart of it, you know,

1085
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 1: when you think about black feminism. It's advocating for the

1086
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:10,399
Speaker 1: needs and concerns of black women and girls and black

1087
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:14,440
Speaker 1: queer people with the same level of commitment and energy

1088
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:16,360
Speaker 1: that we give to black men and boys, you know,

1089
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:20,560
Speaker 1: and also recognize it the ways that you can be

1090
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:23,759
Speaker 1: oppressed and you can be an oppressor, and that's not

1091
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 1: limited to straight black men like you know. But but

1092
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:28,279
Speaker 1: but when it comes to when you think about black

1093
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:30,960
Speaker 1: feminism and something now that you're talking about that I

1094
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:33,320
Speaker 1: want to dig into with you. Yeah. Actually, before we

1095
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 1: get into the notes, UM, I wanted to play a

1096
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 1: a video real quick. UM. And this is from Freedman.

1097
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 1: What she does is, UM, she talks about how feminism

1098
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:46,800
Speaker 1: actually um related to men and how it kind of

1099
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 1: yielded men into going into being more feminine with themselves

1100
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 1: and that if that makes sense, as well as the

1101
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:56,319
Speaker 1: topic of hypermasculinity. So I'm gonna play the video. I'm

1102
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:58,919
Speaker 1: gonna put the audio in. UM. So if you guys

1103
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:00,719
Speaker 1: want to take listen, I'm gonna play that real quick

1104
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:03,239
Speaker 1: and check it out. In my opinion, the other half

1105
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:06,320
Speaker 1: of the woman of the Revolution, the other half of

1106
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:10,640
Speaker 1: women's liberation movement, is the boys in my country and

1107
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:13,719
Speaker 1: in yours wearing their hair long, you know. And those

1108
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 1: boys who are wearing their hair long are saying no

1109
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 1: to the mask and mystique. They are saying no to

1110
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 1: that brutal, sadistic, tight lip crew cut you know, Prussian

1111
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 1: big muscle you know, or just turn having away, uh

1112
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:32,840
Speaker 1: kill bears when there are no bears to kill, and

1113
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:35,920
Speaker 1: and and ny palm all the children in Vietnam, Cambodia,

1114
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:37,759
Speaker 1: to prove that I'm a man, you know, and be

1115
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 1: dominant and superior to everyone concerned and never show any

1116
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:45,319
Speaker 1: any softness. Well, these boys that are wearing their hair

1117
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:49,879
Speaker 1: long are saying no, I don't have to be all

1118
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:54,560
Speaker 1: that crew cut and tight lipped. Um. I don't have

1119
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:57,520
Speaker 1: to be dominant and superior to anyone. I don't have

1120
00:53:57,600 --> 00:53:59,680
Speaker 1: to have big muscles because there aren't any bears to kill.

1121
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:03,240
Speaker 1: I don't have to you know, kill anybody to prove anything.

1122
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:05,800
Speaker 1: I can be tender, and I can be sensitive, and

1123
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 1: I can be compassionate, and I can admit sometimes that

1124
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 1: I'm afraid, and I can even cry. And I am

1125
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 1: a man, and I am my own man. And that

1126
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 1: man who is strong enough to be general, that is

1127
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:22,440
Speaker 1: a new man. And he is the other half of

1128
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:26,439
Speaker 1: this revolution, and he will live longer. I mean, really,

1129
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:28,360
Speaker 1: what I had that I wanted to ask you? I

1130
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:31,879
Speaker 1: wanted to talk about the biggest feminist contradictions that men

1131
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 1: think that we have. I went to Women's March and um,

1132
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:36,839
Speaker 1: I can't remember what my sign said, but some guy

1133
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 1: was like, oh, what about the rest of us? So

1134
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:41,480
Speaker 1: here's the things that I think are the top three

1135
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:43,799
Speaker 1: that people talk to it about for men. We're talking

1136
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 1: still talking about men with feminism? Okay, um, paying for meals? Right,

1137
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:50,839
Speaker 1: I want to let's start with that one first. Why

1138
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:54,359
Speaker 1: do men feel like because we're feminists? This is way

1139
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:56,479
Speaker 1: off from what I thought it was going to be. Well,

1140
00:54:57,120 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I didn't see the video, but here's we talked.

1141
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:02,279
Speaker 1: I hear about it on a lot of podcasts that

1142
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 1: of us and two guys, Oh, if you're such a feminist,

1143
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:05,520
Speaker 1: why do I have to do this for you? Blah

1144
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:08,759
Speaker 1: blah blah? How does that? How does it affect our

1145
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:10,560
Speaker 1: our daily lives? That? How do we how do we

1146
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:13,800
Speaker 1: put feminism into dating and chivalry and things like that.

1147
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 1: It's it's much easier than you know. I think a

1148
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 1: lot of people believe and I think that a lot

1149
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:22,960
Speaker 1: of those misconceptions or you know, that's hypocritical, and that's yes,

1150
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:25,239
Speaker 1: a lot of it is. There's contradictions, right, Like, I

1151
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 1: don't know if hypocritical is fair. But and sometimes you know,

1152
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:29,360
Speaker 1: you can be a feminist and you can be a hypocrite.

1153
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 1: You know, you can talk one thing and walk another.

1154
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:35,520
Speaker 1: But like, feminism doesn't mean that a woman and a

1155
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:37,920
Speaker 1: man in a relationship have to do the same things

1156
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 1: and carry the same burdens and and move the same

1157
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:43,320
Speaker 1: way and have the same you know, patterns of behavior

1158
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 1: and responsibilities. It says that both sides aren't equal. Now,

1159
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:50,279
Speaker 1: equal does not mean that we have the same skill

1160
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:54,360
Speaker 1: set or the same interest, just that our value is

1161
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 1: the same. Right. And so if I'm start a body,

1162
00:55:57,280 --> 00:56:00,920
Speaker 1: I'm terrible with math, budgeting, Like I'm very you know,

1163
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:03,120
Speaker 1: I love to shop and stuff, you know, and I

1164
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:05,759
Speaker 1: can be very frugal and I can be you know, uh,

1165
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 1: what's the way I can be you know, frugal, But

1166
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:13,520
Speaker 1: I'm not somebody who should be balancing the family you know, checkbook,

1167
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:15,759
Speaker 1: right if there's myself and another adult, like I'm just

1168
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:18,640
Speaker 1: that's not my strong suit. I like to cook. I'm

1169
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:20,759
Speaker 1: not super great at clean Like cleaning is not my jam,

1170
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:22,880
Speaker 1: So like I have somebody come clean my house, you

1171
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:24,239
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So Like, if I'm in a

1172
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:27,279
Speaker 1: relationship with a man and I cook every meal that

1173
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:30,160
Speaker 1: we eat, it's not because I should not cook all

1174
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 1: of our meals because I'm a woman. If I cook

1175
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:35,480
Speaker 1: all our meals, it should be because I'm the best

1176
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:38,520
Speaker 1: cook and I enjoy doing it, or I'm the one

1177
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:40,360
Speaker 1: who has the time to do it, you know what

1178
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:42,080
Speaker 1: I mean. If it's just and I'm the best cook,

1179
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:44,480
Speaker 1: I still need to Okay, I'm the best cooking. Is

1180
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:46,160
Speaker 1: that I mean that I like doing it? Does that

1181
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:48,319
Speaker 1: mean that I have time? And the reason that because

1182
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:50,399
Speaker 1: we were talking about man man thinking we're bashing them,

1183
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:52,359
Speaker 1: but it's like, okay, well this thing ain't clean up

1184
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:55,400
Speaker 1: the house. If you're a feminist, won't like well, you know,

1185
00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 1: I think that men and women who are who don't

1186
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:00,640
Speaker 1: know a lot about feminism are very quick to kind

1187
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:02,200
Speaker 1: of throw it back in your face because it makes

1188
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:04,960
Speaker 1: them uncomfortable, you know, because it does say no, it's

1189
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:07,360
Speaker 1: not about bashing man or hating man. It's not about

1190
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:09,399
Speaker 1: not spending time with them or cutting them all off

1191
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 1: or canceling them or calling them all problematic. But it

1192
00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:15,759
Speaker 1: is about confronting certain privileges that they have that are

1193
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:19,640
Speaker 1: not deserved, and certain behaviors that they are apt to to,

1194
00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:22,400
Speaker 1: you know, perform certain things that they're likely you know,

1195
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 1: are allowed to do that are not good for us

1196
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:27,320
Speaker 1: or for themselves. Right, And so to the to what

1197
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 1: she was talking about in the clip. You know, and

1198
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:33,439
Speaker 1: Betty free Dan is one of the most well known

1199
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 1: kind of feminist thinkers, uh in history. But I will say,

1200
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:39,680
Speaker 1: and she certainly said some some things in her work

1201
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:42,360
Speaker 1: that was very you know, that was powerful and correct.

1202
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:44,360
Speaker 1: But I didn't get my game from my feminist game

1203
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:46,640
Speaker 1: from white women like that, you know, like that, that's

1204
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 1: not where I look to to kind of like shape

1205
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 1: it for me. It was Bell Hooks, it was Unlesta

1206
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:51,960
Speaker 1: Harris Perry, it was John Morgan. You know, these are

1207
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:57,120
Speaker 1: black women. UM and on some level Alice Walker it Now.

1208
00:57:57,200 --> 00:58:00,640
Speaker 1: Can I ask you real quick because UM, I feel

1209
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:03,080
Speaker 1: like that's kind of similar to what we just talked about,

1210
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 1: even um talking about the whole hierarchy. UM. When you

1211
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:10,520
Speaker 1: talk about women empowerment, UM, I like to think that

1212
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 1: we're talking about all women, And I don't want to

1213
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:16,320
Speaker 1: all lives matter this thing at all, but um, why

1214
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:20,080
Speaker 1: not uplift the Latino women and the white women? And

1215
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:22,880
Speaker 1: why is it that we talk about white feminists and

1216
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:25,640
Speaker 1: black feminists and we're all women and we all have

1217
00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:29,240
Speaker 1: fought the same oppression. Um well, maybe not in all

1218
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:32,160
Speaker 1: areas of course, black women having um to deal with

1219
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:36,480
Speaker 1: the slavery aspect of oppression as well. And I'm just

1220
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:40,120
Speaker 1: speaking it from an all women aspects. So why is

1221
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:43,360
Speaker 1: feminism even divided when we all kind of want to

1222
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:47,800
Speaker 1: do better as well as so, you know, when black

1223
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 1: what the work of black feminism does actually does advocate

1224
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:55,360
Speaker 1: for all women. However, what it does not advocate for

1225
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:58,120
Speaker 1: us for white women to continue to have the unearned

1226
00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:00,720
Speaker 1: privilege that they have not just as white people, but

1227
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:03,240
Speaker 1: as white women in particular, and so how they are

1228
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:06,760
Speaker 1: able in the workplace, in social settings, you know, and beyond,

1229
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:10,400
Speaker 1: to have undue influence over the lives of black women

1230
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:12,640
Speaker 1: and girls right the way that you know, you could

1231
00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:15,040
Speaker 1: have a white female colleague just as light as you are,

1232
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:18,360
Speaker 1: you know, and you could be talking to each other

1233
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:21,520
Speaker 1: and the same, you know, the same tone of voice,

1234
00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:25,320
Speaker 1: the same you know, volume, and she could very easily

1235
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:27,960
Speaker 1: just start crying and say you've intimidated her, and it

1236
00:59:28,120 --> 00:59:29,720
Speaker 1: is going to be in good luck to you trying

1237
00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:33,880
Speaker 1: to prove otherwise. You know, there are more Latino women

1238
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:35,880
Speaker 1: in this country than I mean Latino people that there

1239
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:40,840
Speaker 1: are black pent of the population I think for multiracial blacks.

1240
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:44,360
Speaker 1: So we're already tiny. Why can't we have a group

1241
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 1: that shouts out and that leads with that? Right? Exactly,

1242
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:51,000
Speaker 1: a lot of Latino women are black too, you know

1243
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:53,400
Speaker 1: what I mean? So the one the ones who identify

1244
00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:57,000
Speaker 1: as black, I've been and there's so many of them.

1245
00:59:57,040 --> 00:59:59,000
Speaker 1: There's always been so many of them. They've always been

1246
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:00,920
Speaker 1: part of black feminist and you know, like that's that's

1247
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:03,439
Speaker 1: not new, that that's you know, something we talk about

1248
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:06,640
Speaker 1: more because we're better at talking about intersectionality, right, which

1249
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:09,400
Speaker 1: is having realized black feminism though as women of color period.

1250
01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:12,120
Speaker 1: In my mind, you know what, it's it's interesting, So,

1251
01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:15,720
Speaker 1: I um, there are ways so obviously white women have

1252
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:18,320
Speaker 1: power and privilege over women of color that you know,

1253
01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:21,840
Speaker 1: we don't have over them, and in certain situations, other

1254
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:26,000
Speaker 1: women of color can have anti blackness fuel so much,

1255
01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:28,400
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, that you can have somebody

1256
01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:32,840
Speaker 1: who's from you know, who does not have much, you know,

1257
01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:35,000
Speaker 1: but has the and and they're not white. But what

1258
01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:36,960
Speaker 1: they do have is that they're not black, and that

1259
01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:39,760
Speaker 1: they can look at us like niggers too, you know.

1260
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:42,240
Speaker 1: And so that does come into play when you're talking

1261
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:44,480
Speaker 1: about women of color and feminism. I think, in general,

1262
01:00:44,600 --> 01:00:46,440
Speaker 1: have women of color been better with each other than

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01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:49,960
Speaker 1: white women have been to us? Absolutely? Is their coalition building,

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01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:53,560
Speaker 1: is their multicultural feminists, you know, work being done, Yes,

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01:00:53,640 --> 01:00:57,320
Speaker 1: and plenty of us black feminists I have relationships with

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01:00:57,360 --> 01:01:00,439
Speaker 1: white women and white feminists organizations of publications. Not about

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01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:03,760
Speaker 1: saying all over here, me over here, but it's about

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01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:05,480
Speaker 1: we need to call a thing a thing. And so

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01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:10,200
Speaker 1: white women have been able to dominate the conversation of

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Speaker 1: what it means to be a woman or what it

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01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:13,600
Speaker 1: means to be a feminist, even if you're not a feminist.

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01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:14,960
Speaker 1: What it means to be a woman in so many

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01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:17,600
Speaker 1: ways has been defined by white womanhood. When you talk

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01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:21,560
Speaker 1: about blackness, so much that has been defined by black malehood, right,

1275
01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:24,080
Speaker 1: And so we exist at the intersection of both of

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01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:27,560
Speaker 1: these oppressions, and these people, like our closest allies you

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01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:30,560
Speaker 1: would think should be women, you know, white women and

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01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:33,840
Speaker 1: women of other races, and black men. But white women

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01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:37,120
Speaker 1: and black and black men in particular have this unique

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01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:40,840
Speaker 1: ability to be Black men are our brothers, but in

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01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:43,280
Speaker 1: some ways they can also be our oppressors. White women,

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01:01:43,320 --> 01:01:45,360
Speaker 1: we don't have that feeling of sisterhood to them, which

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01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:47,520
Speaker 1: makes it even more complicated. Right, so it's easy to

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01:01:47,560 --> 01:01:49,600
Speaker 1: throw It's easier for many of us to throw white

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01:01:49,600 --> 01:01:51,840
Speaker 1: women away than it is to throw black men away.

1286
01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:53,760
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that we should by far, you

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01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:55,920
Speaker 1: know what I mean. But it's like to be to

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01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:59,640
Speaker 1: feel betrayed, you know. But when you're feeling betrayal over

1289
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:02,560
Speaker 1: you're talking about ways that you know they have power

1290
01:02:02,680 --> 01:02:06,880
Speaker 1: over us. No, I haven't had a lot of white women,

1291
01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:10,080
Speaker 1: especially in the workplace, treat me good. I Actually, it's funny.

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01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:11,800
Speaker 1: A lot of people will sometimes make comments to me,

1293
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:13,479
Speaker 1: not really if they're a listener of the show, because

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01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:15,680
Speaker 1: they get me. But some people say like, oh, you're

1295
01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:17,640
Speaker 1: only half white, why you be acting like them? Or

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01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:20,080
Speaker 1: you're only half flack while you act like that, and um,

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01:02:20,120 --> 01:02:22,840
Speaker 1: in the workplace, I've had instances where I'm ready to

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01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:25,600
Speaker 1: go off. I call it my black out moments. And

1299
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:28,200
Speaker 1: I've had black women at work tell me and in

1300
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:31,760
Speaker 1: corporate America like, good, you're going to make us look crazy.

1301
01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:34,000
Speaker 1: Even when these white girls were sitting in my face

1302
01:02:34,040 --> 01:02:36,400
Speaker 1: like well you know, she was really like, you know,

1303
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:38,160
Speaker 1: a cross stuff with my sale and like she did

1304
01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:40,840
Speaker 1: them and just just like what she was saying earlier

1305
01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:42,720
Speaker 1: when we were talking about man, I just wish people

1306
01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:44,360
Speaker 1: just like let your house ship out, like where are

1307
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:47,280
Speaker 1: you hiding? It's like those women, more often than not,

1308
01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:49,800
Speaker 1: they knew just as well that those other black women,

1309
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:52,400
Speaker 1: the same way that you knew that what went down

1310
01:02:52,520 --> 01:02:54,640
Speaker 1: was wrong, they knew it too, but they put on

1311
01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:56,440
Speaker 1: that mask. They put it out like there's certain things

1312
01:02:56,480 --> 01:02:58,760
Speaker 1: I'd be like just looking at like look at your podcast,

1313
01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:01,120
Speaker 1: your tattoos, how your dressed, Like there are things that

1314
01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:03,120
Speaker 1: you're just like, yes, I'm in corporate America, but corporate

1315
01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:06,600
Speaker 1: America does not define me. And I can find success

1316
01:03:06,680 --> 01:03:09,360
Speaker 1: and happiness in other parts of my life too, And

1317
01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:12,240
Speaker 1: there are people that are like, you know, the only

1318
01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:14,560
Speaker 1: thing I know is this is this, And if you

1319
01:03:14,680 --> 01:03:16,360
Speaker 1: hate this away from me, how do I land in

1320
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:18,720
Speaker 1: another space? Like that? So you could lose your corporate job,

1321
01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:21,480
Speaker 1: God forbid, and maybe have two podcasts within the span

1322
01:03:21,560 --> 01:03:23,280
Speaker 1: of a week. They're like, Okay, well, if I'm not

1323
01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:25,840
Speaker 1: working here, I gotta work at another here. And if

1324
01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:29,000
Speaker 1: I pop up on somebody, I'm done. But you're you're

1325
01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:30,520
Speaker 1: bringing up a lot of work. And I wanted to

1326
01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:33,360
Speaker 1: even tie Alex into this if I can, because reading

1327
01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:35,960
Speaker 1: a lot of feminist a lot of feminist tweets and

1328
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:38,280
Speaker 1: what they stand for, a lot of it does geared

1329
01:03:38,320 --> 01:03:41,240
Speaker 1: toward the I don't need a man. I I work,

1330
01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:43,880
Speaker 1: I make money. I can do what you can do.

1331
01:03:44,120 --> 01:03:46,040
Speaker 1: What anything you can do, I can do better. There

1332
01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:48,000
Speaker 1: was a whole thing in the nineteen fifties about that

1333
01:03:48,120 --> 01:03:51,160
Speaker 1: and having the women empowerment UM thing. And I want

1334
01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:53,520
Speaker 1: to know if you feel like that is hurting women

1335
01:03:54,240 --> 01:03:56,120
Speaker 1: UM right now? And I say that to say, like

1336
01:03:56,240 --> 01:03:59,280
Speaker 1: a lot of men now are expecting women to split

1337
01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:02,920
Speaker 1: the bills. We're now doing the splitting dates, conversation on

1338
01:04:03,080 --> 01:04:06,040
Speaker 1: who pays the date um, and now you have these

1339
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:10,439
Speaker 1: overly independent women. Is it hurting the And I don't

1340
01:04:10,440 --> 01:04:12,520
Speaker 1: want to relate it back to patriarchy, but we did

1341
01:04:12,600 --> 01:04:16,280
Speaker 1: have a comment um. We had a b K chat episode,

1342
01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:18,720
Speaker 1: Me and Weasy kind of went in on her because

1343
01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:20,520
Speaker 1: she pretty much said her pussy was all she needed

1344
01:04:20,560 --> 01:04:22,640
Speaker 1: to bring to the table, and Me and Weasy kind

1345
01:04:22,640 --> 01:04:24,600
Speaker 1: of brought in the whole well, you don't cook, you

1346
01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:27,040
Speaker 1: don't clean, and people were like, I can't believe Weasy

1347
01:04:27,080 --> 01:04:30,320
Speaker 1: and Mandy are sitting here bringing up you know, because

1348
01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:31,960
Speaker 1: she had a bigger point than that, and it it

1349
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:34,280
Speaker 1: took me a few weeks to realize that her point

1350
01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:36,560
Speaker 1: was like, I got pussy, I don't have to do

1351
01:04:36,600 --> 01:04:39,320
Speaker 1: all this ship to keep this nigga, And she was right,

1352
01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:40,800
Speaker 1: And what do what do I? And I take a

1353
01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:42,040
Speaker 1: lot of those things that I said to her back

1354
01:04:42,080 --> 01:04:43,600
Speaker 1: because I really didn't I should have listened to the

1355
01:04:43,640 --> 01:04:47,120
Speaker 1: whole clip. What what do you think, um, Alex Like,

1356
01:04:47,240 --> 01:04:49,640
Speaker 1: as far as the feminist movement and women empowerment and

1357
01:04:49,720 --> 01:04:51,800
Speaker 1: what we're doing and standing, is it kind of hurting

1358
01:04:51,880 --> 01:04:54,360
Speaker 1: us in terms of dating and what men expect from

1359
01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:57,000
Speaker 1: us and maybe this equality that we're speaking of, if

1360
01:04:57,040 --> 01:04:58,760
Speaker 1: it's kind of hurting us in the long run or

1361
01:04:59,080 --> 01:05:01,000
Speaker 1: making y'all less of what y'all need to be a

1362
01:05:01,120 --> 01:05:06,280
Speaker 1: k amen, I wouldn't say it hurts you in any way. Actually, Um,

1363
01:05:06,520 --> 01:05:11,040
Speaker 1: every person is different, men or women, so their expectations

1364
01:05:11,080 --> 01:05:13,720
Speaker 1: are different as well. Me. Um, I guess you would

1365
01:05:13,720 --> 01:05:16,480
Speaker 1: say a little bit more classic. I'm used to paying

1366
01:05:16,840 --> 01:05:19,120
Speaker 1: when I go out to dinner, but when I've been

1367
01:05:19,160 --> 01:05:22,080
Speaker 1: in long term relationships after a while, there may be

1368
01:05:22,240 --> 01:05:26,200
Speaker 1: sometimes where it's like, hey, she'll treat me for this time.

1369
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:31,880
Speaker 1: But it's just not always, you know, and I like

1370
01:05:32,040 --> 01:05:34,360
Speaker 1: when it happens, but if it didn't happen, I wouldn't

1371
01:05:34,960 --> 01:05:39,760
Speaker 1: look down upon her or whatever. But I like a nice, strong,

1372
01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:45,160
Speaker 1: independent woman. That's cool, like I just it isn't different, interesting,

1373
01:05:46,040 --> 01:05:48,840
Speaker 1: super attractive when we talk about, like, you know, an

1374
01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:51,520
Speaker 1: independent woman versus a woman who's not independent, Like the

1375
01:05:51,600 --> 01:05:54,360
Speaker 1: numbers show that most of us, at the at least

1376
01:05:55,280 --> 01:05:58,040
Speaker 1: intended period of time in our lives are independent, So

1377
01:05:58,120 --> 01:05:59,440
Speaker 1: you don't have to put a bow on in our

1378
01:05:59,840 --> 01:06:02,439
Speaker 1: I don't talk about like as an independent woman, like yeah,

1379
01:06:02,440 --> 01:06:03,960
Speaker 1: I have a good job. I'm an adult, you know,

1380
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:06,160
Speaker 1: I have responsibility to take care of like it's it's

1381
01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:08,680
Speaker 1: it's And I was not born into a community where

1382
01:06:08,680 --> 01:06:10,800
Speaker 1: I could take for granted that I could work around

1383
01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:12,640
Speaker 1: and figure things out that one day I'm going to

1384
01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:14,880
Speaker 1: marry somebody who makes over six figures and we'll have

1385
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:17,160
Speaker 1: two kids, you know, a pick offense and a dog.

1386
01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:20,240
Speaker 1: But that's just not reality for you know, for for

1387
01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:23,200
Speaker 1: people in urban locations, let alone just black polter. I

1388
01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:25,880
Speaker 1: wanted to for a long time. And the more and

1389
01:06:26,120 --> 01:06:28,640
Speaker 1: more money I make, yeah, I don't think I'm gonna

1390
01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:30,600
Speaker 1: with my new job, I'm not gonna. It's gonna be

1391
01:06:30,720 --> 01:06:32,520
Speaker 1: very difficult for me to meet someone that makes more

1392
01:06:32,560 --> 01:06:34,080
Speaker 1: money to me. And I realized how that sounds like

1393
01:06:34,120 --> 01:06:36,520
Speaker 1: I'm boasting, but it really is me having to knock

1394
01:06:36,600 --> 01:06:38,520
Speaker 1: myself down to pig to say, bitch, chill the funk out,

1395
01:06:38,760 --> 01:06:41,120
Speaker 1: like but and that's fine. I just I don't know,

1396
01:06:41,240 --> 01:06:43,840
Speaker 1: like I don't think one when I think of feminism,

1397
01:06:44,040 --> 01:06:46,440
Speaker 1: I'm not thinking about like paying for days, you know

1398
01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:47,640
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like, I just think we have so

1399
01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:52,720
Speaker 1: much bigger friendly, like we gotta teach, Yeah, we gotta,

1400
01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:58,240
Speaker 1: we gotta teach, we gotta teach. I do the performative.

1401
01:06:58,280 --> 01:06:59,840
Speaker 1: You know. It's funny. I when out with somebody who

1402
01:06:59,880 --> 01:07:01,440
Speaker 1: was a little bit older and not too long ago,

1403
01:07:01,480 --> 01:07:02,760
Speaker 1: and I didn't do I was like, you know what,

1404
01:07:02,840 --> 01:07:04,560
Speaker 1: since you over forty starry and I don't usually date

1405
01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:07,200
Speaker 1: older man and I'm like, I'm not even going to

1406
01:07:07,280 --> 01:07:09,320
Speaker 1: pretend to reach, you know, with a guy who's younger

1407
01:07:09,360 --> 01:07:14,560
Speaker 1: at my age, I'll do the kind of like I'm

1408
01:07:14,600 --> 01:07:17,080
Speaker 1: not pretending to reach because I don't need you thinking

1409
01:07:17,160 --> 01:07:20,160
Speaker 1: the next time you go out on page, appreciate it

1410
01:07:20,600 --> 01:07:26,280
Speaker 1: fake reach. The guys know it's fake, but it's still

1411
01:07:26,280 --> 01:07:29,720
Speaker 1: a nice gesture, you know. I think it's a stilly gesture.

1412
01:07:29,720 --> 01:07:32,160
Speaker 1: I think that one when the bill come I'm looking

1413
01:07:32,160 --> 01:07:34,520
Speaker 1: at my phone. Hey, I'm not feeling too good. Can

1414
01:07:34,600 --> 01:07:36,040
Speaker 1: you want me to bring you something? You better not

1415
01:07:36,120 --> 01:07:37,920
Speaker 1: tell me to come up doing with some soup? But

1416
01:07:38,080 --> 01:07:40,520
Speaker 1: you know you need but you're not. But like I

1417
01:07:40,640 --> 01:07:43,600
Speaker 1: really do want, Like when we think about feminism, Look,

1418
01:07:44,920 --> 01:07:46,640
Speaker 1: me and you we hang out every week. And if

1419
01:07:46,880 --> 01:07:50,080
Speaker 1: I got sick and you were like, literally, I can

1420
01:07:50,120 --> 01:07:51,560
Speaker 1: I covering you some ship, I'd be like, no, why

1421
01:07:51,600 --> 01:07:53,680
Speaker 1: am I going inconvenience you? And if you asked me

1422
01:07:53,760 --> 01:07:54,880
Speaker 1: to do it and come all the way to Queen's,

1423
01:07:54,880 --> 01:07:57,960
Speaker 1: I'm costing you out, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1424
01:07:58,000 --> 01:08:00,400
Speaker 1: but we're friends. I'm talking about it. I was dating

1425
01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:03,959
Speaker 1: somebody so real quick. I want to go ahead. Before

1426
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:05,640
Speaker 1: we go, I want to get into a homemail real quick.

1427
01:08:05,640 --> 01:08:08,800
Speaker 1: While we're talking about women, women, women and women. I

1428
01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:11,280
Speaker 1: thought that this was quite a funny. Um. A lot

1429
01:08:11,360 --> 01:08:12,560
Speaker 1: of that we got in, and I think that we

1430
01:08:12,600 --> 01:08:15,280
Speaker 1: could probably give her some good advice. It says, hey, girls,

1431
01:08:15,360 --> 01:08:18,160
Speaker 1: love your podcast. Listening to you guys keeps my ass saying.

1432
01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:20,759
Speaker 1: I'm a woman and I am in a committed relationship

1433
01:08:20,800 --> 01:08:23,280
Speaker 1: with another woman. I have had many men and have

1434
01:08:23,439 --> 01:08:26,080
Speaker 1: fucked many women. However, she was the first girl I

1435
01:08:26,160 --> 01:08:29,080
Speaker 1: have ever actually dated. I am the happiest I have

1436
01:08:29,360 --> 01:08:32,479
Speaker 1: ever been with her. It's been two years, and frankly,

1437
01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:35,880
Speaker 1: I missed the dick. The toys are just not doing

1438
01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:38,640
Speaker 1: it anymore. I am seriously at a loss because I

1439
01:08:38,760 --> 01:08:41,479
Speaker 1: love her to death and I am really happy. But man,

1440
01:08:41,680 --> 01:08:44,120
Speaker 1: I miss being dicked down by a man. What do

1441
01:08:44,280 --> 01:08:46,719
Speaker 1: I do? Thank you? By the way, this was titled

1442
01:08:47,080 --> 01:08:49,720
Speaker 1: my heart wants the pussy, but my pussy wants the dick.

1443
01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:57,800
Speaker 1: So is a girlfriend lesbian? Yes? Okay, open relationship? You

1444
01:08:57,880 --> 01:09:00,000
Speaker 1: think you know my advice is gonna be open relationship

1445
01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:07,360
Speaker 1: ship all day every day? I think, um, yeah, so

1446
01:09:08,040 --> 01:09:11,559
Speaker 1: I think especially wanting to when you crave someone else. Right.

1447
01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:13,439
Speaker 1: When I was with my ex, the one that I

1448
01:09:13,479 --> 01:09:16,240
Speaker 1: talked about like left me for Jesus, one of the

1449
01:09:16,320 --> 01:09:17,800
Speaker 1: things he said to me was like, I hate seeing

1450
01:09:17,800 --> 01:09:19,240
Speaker 1: you with other women. Like we had three somethings together,

1451
01:09:19,280 --> 01:09:20,880
Speaker 1: and he's like, I love you, I don't want to

1452
01:09:20,920 --> 01:09:23,400
Speaker 1: share you. And that's when I knew that open relationships

1453
01:09:23,400 --> 01:09:26,320
Speaker 1: is gonna be my thing, because I am truly bisexual,

1454
01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:29,120
Speaker 1: and I really believe that if you keep holding out

1455
01:09:29,439 --> 01:09:31,960
Speaker 1: like you love, it's only gonna take you so far

1456
01:09:32,040 --> 01:09:35,400
Speaker 1: if your sexual desires are When I was in Miami,

1457
01:09:35,479 --> 01:09:39,160
Speaker 1: I dated a girl UM and she treated me so good.

1458
01:09:39,240 --> 01:09:41,200
Speaker 1: I say to this day, she probably treated me better

1459
01:09:41,280 --> 01:09:45,600
Speaker 1: than any guy did UM and we actually had the

1460
01:09:45,680 --> 01:09:48,479
Speaker 1: agreement that I could keep sucking Jordan's. She knew that

1461
01:09:48,880 --> 01:09:51,560
Speaker 1: that was the guy that I enjoyed being with, and

1462
01:09:51,760 --> 01:09:54,960
Speaker 1: so she literally we set those guidelines like Okay, I'm

1463
01:09:55,000 --> 01:09:57,120
Speaker 1: the only girl that you can deal with, and he's

1464
01:09:57,160 --> 01:09:59,000
Speaker 1: the only guy that you can deal with outside of me.

1465
01:09:59,560 --> 01:10:04,200
Speaker 1: And I thought that as someone who wanted a relationship

1466
01:10:04,280 --> 01:10:06,880
Speaker 1: with me, that she allowed me to express that I

1467
01:10:07,080 --> 01:10:09,320
Speaker 1: still needed Dick in my life even though we did

1468
01:10:09,360 --> 01:10:11,000
Speaker 1: the whole strop. I mean, trust me, it's an ego,

1469
01:10:11,040 --> 01:10:13,639
Speaker 1: Bruce for someone to tell you that you can't satisfy

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Speaker 1: me in a certain way, And I can only imagine

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Speaker 1: how inadequate that other person may feel. But if you're

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Speaker 1: thinking about either stepping out and it's something you really needs,

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01:10:22,760 --> 01:10:24,960
Speaker 1: you're already. If you're thinking about it, you're already teen.

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01:10:25,120 --> 01:10:27,120
Speaker 1: It sounds it sounds like it's more to it than

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01:10:27,280 --> 01:10:30,040
Speaker 1: just the feeling of you know, it's the connection with him.

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01:10:30,160 --> 01:10:32,400
Speaker 1: It's the connection with the man because she's getting she said,

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01:10:32,439 --> 01:10:34,200
Speaker 1: the toys just aren't doing it, And to me, that's

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01:10:34,520 --> 01:10:37,240
Speaker 1: the penetration. I think it's definitely a body, actually more

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01:10:37,280 --> 01:10:40,040
Speaker 1: than it's like the when I'm sleeping with a woman

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01:10:40,080 --> 01:10:42,640
Speaker 1: and a man, I don't necessarily miss the other. But

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01:10:42,680 --> 01:10:45,040
Speaker 1: I will say this much, when I'm with a woman,

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01:10:45,960 --> 01:10:47,680
Speaker 1: the next thing that I'm excited for with a man

1483
01:10:48,240 --> 01:10:50,920
Speaker 1: is his really random, but it's his sweat and his

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01:10:51,080 --> 01:10:54,160
Speaker 1: chest and his arms, or like his thighs, how big

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01:10:54,240 --> 01:10:57,200
Speaker 1: they are. When I start craving a woman, it's like breast,

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01:10:57,400 --> 01:11:01,120
Speaker 1: it's hair, it's the smells, different thing, it's the different things.

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01:11:01,240 --> 01:11:03,439
Speaker 1: So it's not necessarily that he can't give me this

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01:11:03,840 --> 01:11:06,320
Speaker 1: smell of pussy that I missed. But there are certain

1489
01:11:06,320 --> 01:11:08,160
Speaker 1: things that you crave, and I really don't think it

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01:11:08,240 --> 01:11:11,040
Speaker 1: means that you don't love that person. No, it's interesting

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01:11:11,200 --> 01:11:13,439
Speaker 1: I've heard, you know, because so I've heard so many

1492
01:11:13,720 --> 01:11:16,120
Speaker 1: bisexual people, you know, talk about like, I hate that

1493
01:11:16,200 --> 01:11:18,640
Speaker 1: people think we can't be monogamous, because we can. But

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01:11:18,720 --> 01:11:21,720
Speaker 1: I also think that like what I don't think. I

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01:11:21,760 --> 01:11:24,680
Speaker 1: don't think it's necessarily bi sexuality that makes it impossible

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01:11:24,720 --> 01:11:26,160
Speaker 1: for people to be I think it's just that who

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01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:28,280
Speaker 1: that that person is just not wired for that are

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01:11:28,360 --> 01:11:30,240
Speaker 1: interested in it because you could, like straight people are

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01:11:30,320 --> 01:11:31,960
Speaker 1: not that good in monogamy the way they you know

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying, So that Tomson, Kevin Hard So I think,

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01:11:39,400 --> 01:11:41,439
Speaker 1: what what, what's the problem? We can't call our n

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01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:51,400
Speaker 1: don't right? We takes getting away because because men cheat,

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01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:57,120
Speaker 1: they all cheat, Thank you black Mann. I don't like

1504
01:11:57,320 --> 01:12:02,120
Speaker 1: that that joke was funny for like two weeks. It was.

1505
01:12:02,240 --> 01:12:05,640
Speaker 1: It was funny for one minute, it was funny for

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01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:09,120
Speaker 1: one Anyways, I wanted to go ahead before we wrap up,

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01:12:09,160 --> 01:12:11,760
Speaker 1: where can our listeners find you? I feel like there

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01:12:11,840 --> 01:12:13,720
Speaker 1: was so much that we did not get to motherfucking

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01:12:14,000 --> 01:12:16,120
Speaker 1: get on. But we're gonna have to add that in

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01:12:16,160 --> 01:12:18,720
Speaker 1: another time. I'm gonna give you the super brief just

1511
01:12:18,960 --> 01:12:21,880
Speaker 1: like if you if I'm the first feminist you guys

1512
01:12:22,120 --> 01:12:25,040
Speaker 1: that you ever heard not YouTube like listeners, hey listeners,

1513
01:12:25,479 --> 01:12:27,840
Speaker 1: if you never heard of a feminist who wasn't just like,

1514
01:12:28,200 --> 01:12:32,400
Speaker 1: because there's Twitter feminism and I'm just and then there's

1515
01:12:32,479 --> 01:12:35,439
Speaker 1: like the form, there's the feminism that lives offline and

1516
01:12:35,520 --> 01:12:38,960
Speaker 1: that's not like I know, and people comes right, and

1517
01:12:39,040 --> 01:12:40,840
Speaker 1: so the thing is, it's kind of like somebody getting

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01:12:40,840 --> 01:12:43,280
Speaker 1: really excited about healthy eating, right, Like you know what

1519
01:12:43,360 --> 01:12:47,439
Speaker 1: if you know the differences? Someone said to me, and

1520
01:12:47,479 --> 01:12:49,040
Speaker 1: I really appreciated this woman said it to me. I

1521
01:12:49,160 --> 01:12:50,680
Speaker 1: was at a Christmas party. Sorry, I want to make

1522
01:12:50,720 --> 01:12:53,280
Speaker 1: the short, and I had half of the room divided.

1523
01:12:53,760 --> 01:12:55,880
Speaker 1: She said to me, That's how I know you're real

1524
01:12:55,920 --> 01:12:57,880
Speaker 1: about your ship because you knew Niggs was gonna get

1525
01:12:57,920 --> 01:13:00,680
Speaker 1: pissed and you knew conversations was gonna be uncomfortable, and

1526
01:13:00,720 --> 01:13:04,880
Speaker 1: you still did it. That's fucking that's protesting, that's Black

1527
01:13:05,439 --> 01:13:08,800
Speaker 1: Lives Matter ship, that's everything you really talking that ship,

1528
01:13:09,320 --> 01:13:11,880
Speaker 1: And I think people people that don't like it, and yeah,

1529
01:13:11,960 --> 01:13:13,400
Speaker 1: you have some other people and not gonna like it,

1530
01:13:13,479 --> 01:13:15,400
Speaker 1: but you're also not saying it because you know people

1531
01:13:15,400 --> 01:13:17,080
Speaker 1: are gonna like it. You know, like there are a

1532
01:13:17,120 --> 01:13:19,519
Speaker 1: lot of folks to just say things for shock value,

1533
01:13:20,400 --> 01:13:23,160
Speaker 1: you know, saying anim today. And I'm like, every time

1534
01:13:23,200 --> 01:13:25,000
Speaker 1: I know everybody's gonna be you know, then not everybody,

1535
01:13:25,040 --> 01:13:26,240
Speaker 1: but every time I know that a bunch of men

1536
01:13:26,280 --> 01:13:29,439
Speaker 1: are gonna be mad, you know, if it's our Kelly

1537
01:13:29,520 --> 01:13:31,479
Speaker 1: or Bill Cosby, it's like, be mad. This is not

1538
01:13:31,600 --> 01:13:33,760
Speaker 1: my problem, this is your problem. Purpose. What do you

1539
01:13:33,800 --> 01:13:37,200
Speaker 1: think your main purposes before we wrap up, Like, for feminism,

1540
01:13:37,240 --> 01:13:40,360
Speaker 1: what do you want the most? The most? I want

1541
01:13:40,520 --> 01:13:42,960
Speaker 1: us to be empowered. I want us to feel free.

1542
01:13:43,120 --> 01:13:44,600
Speaker 1: I want us to be happy. I want us to

1543
01:13:44,680 --> 01:13:47,320
Speaker 1: have orgasms if we sell choose. I want us to

1544
01:13:47,400 --> 01:13:49,040
Speaker 1: be able to do the things that we like to

1545
01:13:49,120 --> 01:13:50,600
Speaker 1: do with the people we like to do them with.

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01:13:50,760 --> 01:13:54,000
Speaker 1: I want us to have healthy, loving relationships with whomever,

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01:13:54,840 --> 01:13:56,920
Speaker 1: you know, and I want us to be respected by

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01:13:57,000 --> 01:13:59,000
Speaker 1: our men, you know. And I'm like, I don't care

1549
01:13:59,080 --> 01:14:01,240
Speaker 1: if you're a black man who only dates white women

1550
01:14:01,280 --> 01:14:03,280
Speaker 1: who dates I mean, even though I do think we

1551
01:14:03,520 --> 01:14:06,320
Speaker 1: get that. If you only date people who are not

1552
01:14:06,439 --> 01:14:08,200
Speaker 1: like you, then yes, I do have to have some

1553
01:14:08,240 --> 01:14:10,439
Speaker 1: serious questions for you. But if you're somebody who dates,

1554
01:14:10,479 --> 01:14:12,560
Speaker 1: you know, all types of women of all types of

1555
01:14:12,600 --> 01:14:15,240
Speaker 1: craze and colors, sometimes black, sometimes whatever, and you end

1556
01:14:15,360 --> 01:14:17,479
Speaker 1: up marrying or you know, having children with somebody else,

1557
01:14:17,680 --> 01:14:19,160
Speaker 1: I don't think that means that you don't love or

1558
01:14:21,120 --> 01:14:23,720
Speaker 1: you have to. Yeah, but like what I judge that

1559
01:14:23,800 --> 01:14:26,160
Speaker 1: on is like do you love and respect black women?

1560
01:14:26,320 --> 01:14:28,160
Speaker 1: You know? For if you're a black woman who's done that,

1561
01:14:28,240 --> 01:14:30,080
Speaker 1: do you love and respect black men? Do you still

1562
01:14:30,160 --> 01:14:32,840
Speaker 1: have black male you're black female friends in your life,

1563
01:14:32,880 --> 01:14:34,360
Speaker 1: people who you can call in and who can call

1564
01:14:34,439 --> 01:14:36,960
Speaker 1: on you. Are you gonna show up for us? It's

1565
01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:39,160
Speaker 1: not about who you go home with, It's about like

1566
01:14:39,280 --> 01:14:41,920
Speaker 1: your relationships to us, you know? Do you you see

1567
01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:43,800
Speaker 1: us as less than these other women? Do you think

1568
01:14:43,840 --> 01:14:45,200
Speaker 1: of us as only what we can do for you,

1569
01:14:45,320 --> 01:14:46,880
Speaker 1: how we can help you, how we can support you

1570
01:14:47,040 --> 01:14:52,240
Speaker 1: know and you women? And it's interesting because Abron said

1571
01:14:52,280 --> 01:14:55,200
Speaker 1: that and people were mad at him, but like, yeah,

1572
01:14:55,240 --> 01:14:57,040
Speaker 1: he said, he said, Keyene is a hug from a

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01:14:57,040 --> 01:14:58,560
Speaker 1: black you know, he needs a black woman hug or

1574
01:14:58,640 --> 01:15:00,320
Speaker 1: black on a hugging or something you out and so

1575
01:15:00,520 --> 01:15:02,000
Speaker 1: like in a lot of black women are like, no,

1576
01:15:02,560 --> 01:15:04,880
Speaker 1: we're done being your meals. We don't need to, you know,

1577
01:15:05,160 --> 01:15:07,320
Speaker 1: like or a man sucking up should not be a

1578
01:15:07,360 --> 01:15:09,840
Speaker 1: black woman's responsibility. And so I was torn because I

1579
01:15:09,880 --> 01:15:11,400
Speaker 1: was like I feel that too. You know, they were

1580
01:15:11,439 --> 01:15:13,599
Speaker 1: saying like they were like na brothers. He didn't told

1581
01:15:13,680 --> 01:15:17,439
Speaker 1: us who what he thinks of us. I M like,

1582
01:15:17,479 --> 01:15:19,599
Speaker 1: the whole Beyonce holds jay Z down, blah blah blah.

1583
01:15:19,680 --> 01:15:22,519
Speaker 1: Let me tell you something. She got three goddamn kids. Please.

1584
01:15:23,040 --> 01:15:25,400
Speaker 1: Jay Z is a grown ass man, and so is Kanye. Yeah,

1585
01:15:25,479 --> 01:15:29,880
Speaker 1: like I wouldn't say that. I didn't like that. I

1586
01:15:29,920 --> 01:15:34,240
Speaker 1: don't blame him. I'm like trying her best and you

1587
01:15:34,320 --> 01:15:37,320
Speaker 1: were out here with with chicks on chains and pimpings,

1588
01:15:37,400 --> 01:15:39,280
Speaker 1: so like you can't And that's the point. I think

1589
01:15:39,280 --> 01:15:41,759
Speaker 1: it's like we can't be responsible for the actions. However,

1590
01:15:41,880 --> 01:15:44,599
Speaker 1: I do wish that Kanye had black women surrounding him

1591
01:15:44,680 --> 01:15:47,640
Speaker 1: with love who he also can pour back into. So

1592
01:15:47,800 --> 01:15:50,240
Speaker 1: don't just call me when you need some help. This

1593
01:15:50,479 --> 01:15:52,880
Speaker 1: should be a black women who you know, like and

1594
01:15:53,000 --> 01:15:54,920
Speaker 1: I got and I've been producing records. But I remember

1595
01:15:55,000 --> 01:15:56,760
Speaker 1: him talking about Siana Taylor and how he sat on

1596
01:15:56,840 --> 01:15:59,479
Speaker 1: her record for too long. She's immensely talented. She should

1597
01:15:59,479 --> 01:16:03,200
Speaker 1: be a recording star. She should be you know, for

1598
01:16:03,479 --> 01:16:05,320
Speaker 1: for for a lot of these topics, and I know

1599
01:16:05,439 --> 01:16:07,760
Speaker 1: you talk about them on your Twitter, your Instagram. You

1600
01:16:07,800 --> 01:16:10,320
Speaker 1: post up where can our listeners catch you? Where can

1601
01:16:10,360 --> 01:16:12,040
Speaker 1: they find you? Drop the at name? Do you have

1602
01:16:12,120 --> 01:16:16,000
Speaker 1: a website? Drop all that information? Yes, it's on Twitter

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01:16:16,120 --> 01:16:19,200
Speaker 1: and Instagram is at jamilamu. UM. We'll go ahead and

1604
01:16:19,280 --> 01:16:24,720
Speaker 1: add that if I sat here and try to spell it,

1605
01:16:24,920 --> 01:16:27,720
Speaker 1: we will definitely drop that UM in the description of

1606
01:16:27,800 --> 01:16:30,519
Speaker 1: this bioble have it. We'll also have it when we

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01:16:30,640 --> 01:16:33,960
Speaker 1: post um the clip to Instagram, UM and everything. And

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01:16:34,000 --> 01:16:35,600
Speaker 1: I want to thank you so much for coming on.

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01:16:36,160 --> 01:16:38,920
Speaker 1: You were amazing. You had this show extra woke. I

1610
01:16:39,080 --> 01:16:41,840
Speaker 1: was just like, I know you don't like the work

1611
01:16:42,800 --> 01:16:46,080
Speaker 1: hell um, but yeah, I appreciate it. I hope that

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01:16:46,160 --> 01:16:49,000
Speaker 1: you guys enjoyed this episode. And for our patrons, what

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01:16:49,080 --> 01:16:51,439
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do is I'm gonna post um a couple

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01:16:51,520 --> 01:16:54,160
Speaker 1: of the feminists um sources that I found, including the

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01:16:54,280 --> 01:16:56,559
Speaker 1: video of the art of the audio that you guys

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01:16:56,640 --> 01:16:59,639
Speaker 1: heard on this episode, as well as some first sources

1617
01:17:00,200 --> 01:17:01,880
Speaker 1: um that are just really good to read up on

1618
01:17:01,960 --> 01:17:04,000
Speaker 1: the history of feminism. So I'll include that if you

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01:17:04,080 --> 01:17:06,120
Speaker 1: are a patron and the rest of y'all niggas um.

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01:17:06,200 --> 01:17:08,160
Speaker 1: In a few days, we're gonna be in a t L.

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01:17:08,400 --> 01:17:11,640
Speaker 1: You know, my period gonna be right off right and

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01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:15,280
Speaker 1: she wants to so um we hope to see you

1623
01:17:15,320 --> 01:17:17,439
Speaker 1: guys in the live show. Probably gonna be done working

1624
01:17:17,680 --> 01:17:21,960
Speaker 1: on himself that weekend. Oh he ready, that did gonna

1625
01:17:22,000 --> 01:17:30,800
Speaker 1: be slain? Wow? He taking in. He's all I'm anyway, guys,

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01:17:30,880 --> 01:17:33,320
Speaker 1: thank you so much. This has been yet another episode

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Speaker 1: of horrible decisions by Bye