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Speaker 1: Hi everyone, it's Sophia. Welcome to Work in Progress. Hello,

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Speaker 1: smart and dedicated and wonderful friends of Work in Progress.

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Speaker 1: Today we are joined by a personal hero of mine.

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Speaker 1: Amanda Zarowski is a woman who lives in Texas. You

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Speaker 1: have probably heard of her. Her water broke two days

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Speaker 1: before the extreme Trump abortion band fell in Texas. She

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Speaker 1: was eighteen weeks pregnant and devastated to find out that

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Speaker 1: her fetus had absolutely no chance of surviving. And despite

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Speaker 1: knowing this, doctors in Texas were too scared to give

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Speaker 1: her the care that she needed to save her life,

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Speaker 1: and Amanda went into septic shock, not once, but twice.

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Speaker 1: She is left with a permanently closed fallopian tube due

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Speaker 1: pain on top of it. Her and her husband are

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Speaker 1: still hoping to start a family, but they have turned

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Speaker 1: this pain and this honestly assault of women that has

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Speaker 1: come from these Trump abortion bands into incredible and breathtaking purpose.

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Speaker 1: Amanda is one of the plaintiffs who sued the state

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Speaker 1: of Texas for denying her necessary medical care, and she

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Speaker 1: Ever since, she has been able to show that this

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Speaker 1: idea that doctors are supposed to make quote good faith

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Speaker 1: judgments without protection at the risk of being jailed, does

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Speaker 1: not go far enough to actually protect the lives of women.

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Speaker 1: Amanda is a personal hero of mine. She has become

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Speaker 1: an incredible advocate in our fight for equality, and she

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Speaker 1: Presidents and first Ladies and Vice President Kamala Harris to

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Speaker 1: stand with her husband Josh and tell their story. I'd

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Speaker 1: also like to add a trigger warning to this episode.

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Speaker 1: We do discuss miscarriage and pregnancy loss, and if it

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Speaker 1: feels overwhelming to you, this might be a good time

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Speaker 1: to sit this one out. We will make sure that

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Speaker 1: we have links to resources, to places where you can

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Speaker 1: get involved, volunteer, and even donate in the Instagram stories

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Speaker 1: for this episode, so if you don't think you can

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Speaker 1: handle listening to it, you can still get involved. I'm

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Speaker 1: incredibly thrilled that Amanda is taking time from her schedule

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Speaker 1: campaigning all around the country and advocating for us to

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Speaker 1: sit down and have this conversation today. I hope you

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Speaker 1: enjoy it too. Hi there, Hey, Amanda how are you good?

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Speaker 2: How are you?

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Speaker 1: I'm good, gosh, I mean, first and foremost, really, I

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Speaker 1: just want to say thank you. I can't imagine that

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Speaker 1: going through what you went through and then being thrust

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Speaker 1: for myself and so many women that I speak to

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Speaker 1: about your case, about you know, the DNC, about all

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Speaker 1: of it, that we just are so tremendously grateful for you.

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you. I really appreciate you saying that it's

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Speaker 2: not easy, but it's been really healing, I think to

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Speaker 2: be able to channel such horror into something that hopefully

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Speaker 2: is going to change for some good. Yeah. But no,

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Speaker 2: I appreciate you saying that, I really do it goes

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Speaker 2: a long way, because some days are hard.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, and listen, any woman who is willing to

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Speaker 1: stand up for political progress, I know, takes a lot

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Speaker 1: the sort of relentless experience of essentially getting you know,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I really appreciate that and you know, I

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm sure glad to be in the fight with you.

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Speaker 1: And it's not lost on me that it's a bit

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Speaker 1: of a It gives me a little bit of whiplash

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Speaker 1: to say, you know, I wish we didn't live in

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Speaker 1: the irony of having to say that and then say,

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Speaker 1: for any of my listeners who don't know your story,

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Speaker 2: It's okay, I know, I know it's it's it's been

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Speaker 2: really Actually, I think good to talk about us so much,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, sure, I mean it. It took a while,

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Speaker 1: Well, for the you know, for the listeners who are

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump and the GOP has been working to and

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Speaker 1: then managed to succeed with nominating three judges to the

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court for the explicit purpose of overturning our protections

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Speaker 1: we are a podcast where facts are facts and there

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Speaker 1: clear that abortion is healthcare, and Amanda, your story is

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Speaker 1: I think particularly heart wrenching for so many of us

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so you are exactly right that my story is horrific,

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Speaker 2: I wanted so so much. We tried for about eighteen

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Speaker 2: So essentially I was locked in this hell of will

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, and I want to I don't know

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Speaker 1: fetal anomalies. The position you were put in because there

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Speaker 1: It is the most barbaric, horrific thing I have ever

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Speaker 1: We are literally killing women in America to earn some

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Speaker 1: was it because you heard about how many other women

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Speaker 2: takes this very very personally. The other thing I want

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Speaker 2: to tell you is I was very lucky that I

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Speaker 2: got to take my childhood best friend Mollie with me

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Speaker 2: to an event at the White house where I was

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Speaker 2: introducing the Vice President, and as part of this, we

442
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Speaker 2: got to spend some time with vice president and my

443
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Speaker 2: friend Molly was just beside herself and she was very nervous.

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Speaker 2: And when we walked into the Vice President's office, Kamala

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Speaker 2: Harris says, hi Amanda from across the room, and my

446
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Speaker 2: best friend just screamed because she couldn't contain her excitement.

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Speaker 2: And then when we got up to see the Vice president,

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Speaker 2: it's a long walk because it's a big office, Molly

449
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Speaker 2: just started flat out crying.

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Speaker 4: I'm just falling, just falling, and Pamala just gives her,

451
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Speaker 4: you know, this big hug and shakes her hand and says,

452
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Speaker 4: you know these beautiful things about how our girlfriends are

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Speaker 4: our chosen sisters, they're our chosen.

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Speaker 2: Family, and she said, I know how much you're supporting

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Speaker 2: Amanda and everything she's doing. And she's just such a

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Speaker 2: real compassionate, relatable person. I mean, she's just she's in incredible.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll be back in just a minute after a

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Speaker 1: few words from our favorite sponsors. It's something I'm so

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Speaker 1: grateful like you to have seen up close. And the

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Speaker 1: thing I always like to say to people when they

461
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Speaker 1: ask me about her is I'm like, listen, she's the same.

462
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Speaker 1: She could be on the national stage talking about what

463
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Speaker 1: families deserve and what works and you know, all the

464
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Speaker 1: work they're doing and give this incredible speech where you

465
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Speaker 1: could be one on one in her office or you know,

466
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Speaker 1: on the side of some event and she'll just check

467
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Speaker 1: in and ask how you're doing. She is the same,

468
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Speaker 1: whether there are you know, a fleet of cameras pointed

469
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Speaker 1: at her or no cameras in the room. And it's

470
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Speaker 1: so special to see. We know that the other candidate

471
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Speaker 1: isn't like that. You know, he gets caught on camera

472
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Speaker 1: calling womenches and talking about sexually assaulting them, and you know,

473
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 1: bragging about Project twenty twenty five and how they're going

474
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Speaker 1: to take over America and never have to vote ever again.

475
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Speaker 1: And I'm like, how is this even a race? How

476
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Speaker 1: is this even allowed? You know, You've got this person

477
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Speaker 1: who will call a woman who went through an unspeakable

478
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Speaker 1: tragedy because of the opponent's policies, because of a Trump

479
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 1: abortion band, and she'll just call you when you're walking

480
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 1: your dog to check in on you. And this guy

481
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,359
Speaker 1: is like out trying to figure out how to deconstruct

482
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Speaker 1: America and sell off the country for parts to like

483
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Speaker 1: the highest bidders in foreign autocracies. And I'm like, what,

484
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Speaker 1: what is this conversation we're having exactly about? Like who's

485
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Speaker 1: more fit to lead the country?

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Speaker 2: I know? Well, and just take a look at who

487
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 2: they pick for their running mate. Right, You've got the

488
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 2: guy from Ohio whose name I don't even want to say,

489
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 2: spreading vicious lies and rumors which are insite, and so.

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Speaker 1: Much hate against his own constituents, by the way, a

491
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Speaker 1: lot of threats, and know it's the people he's elected

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Speaker 1: to represent. It's such a dereliction of duty. Yeah, And

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Speaker 1: it's the same I feel the same about watching that

494
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Speaker 1: happen in Ohio as I feel about what you've gone

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Speaker 1: through and what so many other women have gone through.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, you're literally willing to get people killed, yeah,

497
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Speaker 1: to what to incite the worst people in our country

498
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Speaker 1: to do the worst things to other humans. That's what

499
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Speaker 1: you're willing to do to win. You're that power hungry.

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Speaker 2: I know. Meanwhile, you've got Tim Walls showing up to

501
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Speaker 2: a state fair, rolling up his sleeves, passing out corn

502
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Speaker 2: dogs and ice cream like a man of the people,

503
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Speaker 2: cares about his people, wants to take care of people.

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Speaker 2: I just I mean, I agree with you. I can't

505
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Speaker 2: let myself go down this rabbit hole too much because

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Speaker 2: it's frightening. But how are we here? Like, how is

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Speaker 2: this even a race? I don't understand. There is no

508
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Speaker 2: choice to me, it's so obvious.

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Speaker 1: Well it feels like that, right, It's like sometimes I

510
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 1: look around everybody taking crazy pills, like where are what's

511
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 1: here happening? But you know, I'm really curious, particularly for you.

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Speaker 1: You know, people will ask me because there's this like

513
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Speaker 1: big misnomer, right that you do what I do for

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Speaker 1: a living, and you're some crazy elitist And I'm like

515
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 1: sold on. The billionaire from Reality TV with a plane

516
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Speaker 1: convinced everyone else that the rest of us, who like

517
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Speaker 1: only have healthcare because we're union workers, are like somehow

518
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Speaker 1: the elite ones like what's going on? But you know,

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Speaker 1: I I think I feel so passionately about this because

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Speaker 1: I've had the good fortune of living all over this

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Speaker 1: country for work. I spent ten years in North Carolina.

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Speaker 1: I've lived in Texas, I've lived in New York, I've

523
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Speaker 1: lived in California. I've lived in New Mexico. Like I

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Speaker 1: I feel lucky to know people like you're talking about

525
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Speaker 1: through your advocacy, and I know people in so many

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Speaker 1: parts of this country and so many parts of the

527
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Speaker 1: world also through this work. And what I know about

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Speaker 1: us is that we mostly have the same goals, Like

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Speaker 1: we'd want our families to be safe, if we want

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Speaker 1: education to be good, I'd prefer to drive on roads

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Speaker 1: without potholes, and then the other way around, like kind

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Speaker 1: of basic you know, healthcare access would be great. I'm

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Speaker 1: really wondering for you as a woman living in Texas now,

534
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Speaker 1: you know, you are just statistically more surrounded by right

535
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Speaker 1: wing leaning women or women who vote that way anyway

536
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Speaker 1: than I am. You know, today when we're speaking, I

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Speaker 1: happen to be in New York, although it's getting to

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Speaker 1: be more of a toss up here, which is a

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Speaker 1: stressful conversation for another day. But like, what's your experience

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Speaker 1: in terms of the conversations you have in your hometown

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Speaker 1: and your home state. Do you think it's changing now

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Speaker 1: that people understand the real impacts of those judges and

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Speaker 1: what they've done. Does it still feel like an uphill battle?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think I think it's still going to

545
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Speaker 2: be a lot of work. I think we're still going

546
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 2: to have to fight pretty hard. But I can tell

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Speaker 2: you that I have had firsthand experiences not only in Texas,

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Speaker 2: where I live now, but also in Indiana, which is

549
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Speaker 2: where I'm from originally. That's where I grew up in

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Speaker 2: very similar political landscape. Conversations like the one you and

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Speaker 2: I are having, and like the ones we're having all

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Speaker 2: the time, are moving the needle. And like I said earlier,

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Speaker 2: it's these personal stories and putting a name in a

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Speaker 2: face to these issues that I think is what's going

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Speaker 2: to change people's opinions. And I mean, just look at

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Speaker 2: you know how often we hear the word abortion now

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Speaker 2: on mainstream news at the n C right a main

558
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Speaker 2: pillar of the entire convention. I think things are changing,

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Speaker 2: and they're changing rapidly. But we are going to have

560
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Speaker 2: to put in the work, and we are going to

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Speaker 2: have to realize, you know, obviously we want a Harris

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Speaker 2: Wall administration, but when they get elected, the work will

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Speaker 2: not be over. We will still have a fight to

564
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Speaker 2: suit up for. But I think people, I mean, we

565
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Speaker 2: know statistically, we know the data that most people don't

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Speaker 2: support these extreme abortion bands, and so I think that's

567
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Speaker 2: become very clear, and it's because of the conversations that

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Speaker 2: we're having in our own communities.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think people starting to understand the facts.

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Speaker 1: You know, I believe it's ninety three percent of abortions

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Speaker 1: happened in the first twenty weeks. You know, it's it's

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Speaker 1: early stage experiences that make up most of that type

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Speaker 1: of healthcare. And you know, I was really heartened to

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Speaker 1: hear I have been really heartened to hear that more people,

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Speaker 1: whether it's you know, Secretary Buddhachedge doing what he does

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Speaker 1: best on Fox News, or even the conversations that we

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Speaker 1: were seeing in the debate, people saying, listen, someone who

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Speaker 1: has to have a late stage abortion isn't having it

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Speaker 1: because they want to. It's not a you know, decision

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Speaker 1: made on a whim. It's because of a fetal anomaly.

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Speaker 1: It's because of devastating medical news. And I think that

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Speaker 1: might actually be what makes these insane lies from Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump more insulting to me. You know, he has this

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Speaker 1: extreme rhetoric and he says, you know, abortions are happening

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Speaker 1: in the ninth month and babies are being executed after birth,

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Speaker 1: and I'm very glad. Lindsay Davis said, in no state

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Speaker 1: is that legal infanticide is not a thing anyone has

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Speaker 1: legalized ever anywhere. It's insane that a presidential candidate would

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Speaker 1: say that, But.

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Speaker 2: Here we are.

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Speaker 1: I feel bothered as a woman who has friends and

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Speaker 1: you know, acquaintances in the fight like yourself, who've experienced

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Speaker 1: pregnancy loss hearing a presidential candidate say that, you know,

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Speaker 1: people are just having these abortions this late essentially for fun,

595
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 1: because it's not true, and it's it so flies in

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Speaker 1: the face of the work and the hopes and dreams

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Speaker 1: of families that are trying to start or expand their families.

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Speaker 1: What is your reaction, you know, two years into this

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Speaker 1: journey that you are on as an advocate, what does

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Speaker 1: it feel like for you to sit and watch him

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Speaker 1: make those claims from the debate stage.

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Speaker 2: It's so infuriating. I think prior to my experience, I

603
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 2: would have maybe scoffed and said something like, oh my gosh,

604
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Speaker 2: that's ridiculous. No one does that. But I agree with you.

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Speaker 2: It feels very personal now and it's just so disgusting

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Speaker 2: to me that he would make up these lies just

607
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Speaker 2: to I don't know why. I don't even know what

608
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Speaker 2: his purpose is, what he thinks he's accomplishing that, because

609
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 2: it's just simply not true, but it is. It does

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Speaker 2: feel like a personal attack. And also the fact that

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00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:13,280
Speaker 2: he refuses to acknowledge that the bands that are allowed

612
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,399
Speaker 2: to be in place today as a result of him

613
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 2: and his administration are having other impacts too that are

614
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Speaker 2: really really horrible that are also personal to me. For example,

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Speaker 2: I now have to use IVF to have children because

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Speaker 2: of what I went through. And so when Alabama and

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Speaker 2: the Supreme Court they're ruled, you know the way that

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Speaker 2: it did that halted IVF services, I just I was

619
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Speaker 2: so furious, and I'm like, they just want to make

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Speaker 2: it all about control, like you said, like when we

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Speaker 2: need an abortion, we can't get one. When we want

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Speaker 2: to have children, we can't have them. And it's just

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Speaker 2: so infuriating because it is all about control and it's

624
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Speaker 2: just so backwards and it's just disgusting. Oh, it makes

625
00:36:58,160 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 2: me so mad.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean, having been through a long and

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Speaker 1: exhaustive journey with fertility myself, I think about the amount

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Speaker 1: of time and the resources and the trauma and the

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Speaker 1: emotional exhaustion and the sort of reckoning that so many

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Speaker 1: people who go through whatever their unique experience with fertility

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Speaker 1: and fertility treatments look like. And the fact that, as

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00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 1: you said, because of the side effects of your being

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Speaker 1: forced into sepsis to get the care you needed, you

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Speaker 1: now have to rely on fertility medicine to start a family.

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Speaker 2: It's like.

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Speaker 1: They want to withhold your future from you, regardless of

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00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 1: how much work you're willing to put in for it.

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Speaker 1: But if God forbid, you have a medical emergency or

639
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Speaker 1: you were caught by surprise at a time when you

640
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 1: simply are incapable in your life, you need to make

641
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 1: the right decision for you. Yep, they don't want you

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00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 1: to be able to do that either.

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Speaker 2: And I think the thing that stings the most for

644
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Speaker 2: me is that these decisions are being made by people

645
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 2: that have no experience or knowledge of what they're talking about.

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00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 2: They have not gone through this, they haven't experienced it

647
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Speaker 2: yet they feel that they have any sort of leg

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Speaker 2: to stand on that they can tell us what to do,

649
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 2: even though they've never been through it themselves. They have

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Speaker 2: no awareness, no knowledge. That to me, I think is

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Speaker 2: the worst part.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was very surprising when, you know, when the

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Speaker 1: GOP started voting against protecting IVF and you started hearing

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Speaker 1: all these elected men from that party saying, you know, well,

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Speaker 1: we're just trying to make sure people can have babies,

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Speaker 1: and it's like, do you know what IVF is?

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Speaker 2: Exactly? Do you? Oh? Do you?

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Speaker 1: And you realize there's a reason politicians shouldn't have an

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Speaker 1: opinion and pass these sorts of laws that change our

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Speaker 1: acts to medical care because they're not doctors. I know

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Speaker 1: it can feel incredibly heavy, and I know a lot

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Speaker 1: of it is doom and gloom, and I don't want

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Speaker 1: to act as though it's not as serious as it sounds,

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Speaker 1: because it is. And yet I also know that we're

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Speaker 1: all in this fight because we believe there's a way

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Speaker 1: out of the darkness. We believe there's a way forward together.

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Speaker 1: And I'm really curious what you want to share with

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Speaker 1: people in terms of what makes you hopeful or what

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Speaker 1: you think they should be paying attention to, because at

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Speaker 1: this point you are on the campaign trail, you are

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Speaker 1: sitting with so many experts, whether legal or medical, or

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Speaker 1: you know, in the political sphere, and I wonder what

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Speaker 1: it is that makes you feel like you can keep

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Speaker 1: doing this.

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Speaker 2: I love that question. And honestly, it's the people that

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Speaker 2: I meet while I'm out on the trail, while I'm advocating,

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Speaker 2: while I'm listening. It is the people that I meet.

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Speaker 2: It's the people who are fighting in their own communities.

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Speaker 2: It's the people who are providing abortions where they can

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Speaker 2: in their own communities. It's the people who are shepherding

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Speaker 2: patients as they make this really really difficult decision and

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Speaker 2: take action. And also, I can't believe I'm saying this,

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Speaker 2: but it's the politicians too. I have met so many

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Speaker 2: wonderful people who who are serving our country and they

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Speaker 2: are really fighting for us, and as ugly as the

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Speaker 2: other side can be, it really brings me a lot

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Speaker 2: of peace to know that there are so many people

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Speaker 2: that are looking out for us and that are trying

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Speaker 2: to protect us and to protect our country. You know,

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Speaker 2: all the way from my own city council up to

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Speaker 2: Kamala Harris, I mean, there are really really wonderful people

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Speaker 2: that are working for us. And you know, the more

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Speaker 2: that I travel, the more people I meet, the more

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Speaker 2: I realized that at their most people are really good

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Speaker 2: and even though this is really hard. I like to

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Speaker 2: say that it takes it out of me. It puts

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Speaker 2: me to bed at night, but it also gets mad

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Speaker 2: out of bed in the morning.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it's interesting, right, It's like the thing that

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Speaker 1: makes you so mad you could just burst into a

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Speaker 1: ball of flames. It's also that fire that like it

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Speaker 1: becomes the campfire, you know, the fuel that keeps you moving.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely. I mean, it would be a lot easier

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Speaker 2: to not be doing this, but you know, I just

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Speaker 2: feel such such a passion and such a purpose. And

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Speaker 2: I also feel like, Okay, we've made it this far.

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Speaker 2: How could I not keep going? How could I not

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Speaker 2: continue in this fight? Now that I know what I know,

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Speaker 2: I can't stop. I won't stop.

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Speaker 1: That's really cool. I really appreciate that. And now for

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Speaker 1: our sponsors, what brings you all joy? I mean, I

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Speaker 1: know it's very heads down, it's very policy focused. You know,

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Speaker 1: we and I say this with no hyperbole to our

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Speaker 1: friends listening at home. You know, this really is The

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Speaker 1: elections have ratcheted up, right, They've gotten more and more consequential,

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Speaker 1: But like this is the one we either we either

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Speaker 1: protect this country for everyone or we lose it to

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Speaker 1: Project twenty twenty five, and it's over for most of us.

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Speaker 1: And I think people don't understand how bad it can get.

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Speaker 1: So I don't want to make light of it, but

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Speaker 1: I also want to honor the person that you are

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Speaker 1: and your whole, big, beautiful life and you know, your

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Speaker 1: joy and your career and your marriage and all of it.

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Speaker 1: And so what's bringing you happiness? What is refilling your cup?

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Speaker 1: You know for Amanda, and then what's doing that even

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Speaker 1: in your house like for you and your husband? Is

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Speaker 1: you navigate all of this? What's bringing me all joy?

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Speaker 1: How are you staying sane?

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Speaker 2: I appreciate that question. Some days are harder than others. Definitely, Definitely,

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Speaker 2: our people right our circle, my family and friends have

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Speaker 2: been so so so supportive, which has been I think

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Speaker 2: the only reason that we can continue to do this,

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Speaker 2: and especially at this pace. It's been really remarkable. I

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Speaker 2: remember very shortly after we lost the baby and I

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Speaker 2: was out of the hospital. I was talking to my

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Speaker 2: dad on the phone and he said, how are you

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Speaker 2: and Josh? And I said, We're doing okay. You know,

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Speaker 2: I don't know how to answer that because we just

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Speaker 2: went through something terrible. And he said, look, I just

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Speaker 2: want to. I want to say, you know, things like

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Speaker 2: this can can sometimes bring a marriage closer, and sometimes

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Speaker 2: they tear a marriage apart. And I said at that point,

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Speaker 2: you know, so far it's only brought us closer, like

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Speaker 2: we were doing okay, the two of us are doing okay.

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Speaker 2: But then over the past two years, like it really

746
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Speaker 2: has brought us so much closer. Every decision that we've made,

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Speaker 2: we've agreed on. We haven't done anything that the other

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Speaker 2: one hasn't been comfortable with. We have really been lockstep.

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Speaker 2: We really really are a team. So we bring we

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Speaker 2: bring each other a lot of joy, and our families

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Speaker 2: do as well. We have two dogs that are I

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Speaker 2: can't believe they're so quietly, peacefully sleeping right next to

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Speaker 2: you right now, but they bring us joy. And you know,

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Speaker 2: just in the rare days that we're home together and

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Speaker 2: we're not traveling, just living living life, grilling out and

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Speaker 2: you know, hanging out watching people.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like it's that sort of proverbial like I

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Speaker 1: just got to make sure I keep touching.

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Speaker 2: Grass exactly exactly.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you got to stay a little bit grounded in

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Speaker 1: your world. Do you do you think past the election

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Speaker 1: about what you want to do next or does it

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Speaker 1: feel like every you know, everything's pointing to go here

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Speaker 1: and then we'll reassess afterward. I ask, because as we talk,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, well, are you going to run for office?

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Speaker 1: Like you what do you think you do with all

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Speaker 1: of this? But then I'm also reminded that you're doing

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Speaker 1: so much and that you're so in the fight, and

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Speaker 1: it may have to I don't know, maybe maybe it's

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Speaker 1: an outcome that dictates what you do next.

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Speaker 2: I think yes and no. I think a little bit

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Speaker 2: of both. I am fully in this fight now and

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Speaker 2: actually I quit my day job in May so that

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Speaker 2: I could do this full time, which was a really

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Speaker 2: good decision. And you know, right now, for the next

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Speaker 2: fifty days, I am focused on this election and not

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Speaker 2: just the presidential election. I've been active with the Colin

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Speaker 2: all Red campaign. He's running for Senate r Read Cruise,

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Speaker 2: So just helping pretty much any Democrat I can from

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Speaker 2: now until the election is what I'm focused on. After

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Speaker 2: the election, Yes, I do think the outcome will probably

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Speaker 2: dictate a little bit about where I go next. But

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Speaker 2: I think I'm in this fight now and I don't

784
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Speaker 2: see myself getting out of it. So I definitely could

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Speaker 2: see a future in the political world. Now. I don't

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Speaker 2: know if that looks like, you know, for maybe my

787
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Speaker 2: state party or my county party, or maybe someone else's administration.

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Speaker 2: Maybe it's running for office. I think all of the

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Speaker 2: doors are open right now, so we'll just kind of

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Speaker 2: see what shakes out.

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Speaker 1: That's really cool. I think he would be wonderful for

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Speaker 1: what it's worth. No thanks, And also, yes, go Colin already.

793
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Speaker 1: He's just the coolest.

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Speaker 2: He's awesome, and he's just like Kamala Harrison that he's

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Speaker 2: a real person that is so nice and so genuine,

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Speaker 2: and he just cares about people like he's just a

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Speaker 2: good person. That's who you want in office, that's what

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Speaker 2: you want leading the country.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, people that are willing to show up for

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Speaker 1: their neighbors. Like, it's not rocket science, right, How can

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Speaker 1: we myself and all the listeners of this podcast support

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Speaker 1: you in between now and the election and even after.

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Speaker 2: I think, you know, fifty days on the one hand

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Speaker 2: feels really far away, but it also feels very close.

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Speaker 2: I think we just have to keep the momentum up.

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Speaker 2: I really do not want people to become apathetic because

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Speaker 2: this has been such a charged election and people are tired,

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Speaker 2: and I get it, but we have to land the

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Speaker 2: plane and we have to finish the job. And so

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Speaker 2: continuing to talk about the issues that are important to

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Speaker 2: Obviously for me, it's reproductive rights, keeping these stories alive,

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Speaker 2: keeping these conversations going, I think that's going to be critical.

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Speaker 2: And then also making sure that you vote, you help

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Speaker 2: other people get to the polls. I think everything we

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Speaker 2: can do to make sure that we elect pro choice

816
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Speaker 2: candidates is critical from now until November. And then, as

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Speaker 2: I said before, you know, no matter what happens, the

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Speaker 2: fight won't be over. There will still be work to do,

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Speaker 2: and so I think, you know, I'm hopeful that we'll

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Speaker 2: be able to have a quick party, at quick celebration,

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Speaker 2: but then we're gonna have to get back to work,

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Speaker 2: and so stay vigilant, stay informed, pay attention, and then

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Speaker 2: you know, whatever speaks to you, whether it's volunteering, whether

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Speaker 2: it's donating time more money. I think those are all

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Speaker 2: things that anyone can.

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Speaker 1: Do, absolutely, and that's just it. It's it's any extra

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Speaker 1: bit of engagement, and whether that is, like you said,

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Speaker 1: having these conversations with your family and friends, signing up

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Speaker 1: for a shift, phone banking, donating what you can all

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Speaker 1: of it really does matter, because every single vote matters.

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Speaker 1: And you know, somebody said something I thought was great.

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Speaker 1: They were like, look, a vote's not a love letter.

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Speaker 1: You've got two candidates.

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Speaker 2: That's it.

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Speaker 1: You've got to vote for one of them. And in reality,

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Speaker 1: who would you try even if you didn't agree with them,

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Speaker 1: Who would you trust to be willing to sit with

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Speaker 1: you and come up with a compromise that works for everybody.

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Speaker 1: I don't really think there's you know, I don't think

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Speaker 1: there's a question there. I think there's only one answer.

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Speaker 1: And it's the sort of thing that I think is

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Speaker 1: an important reminder because yeah, there's a lot of us

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Speaker 1: that are fully team Kamala, ready to go. I cannot

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Speaker 1: wait to see a president Kamala Harris. And I always

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Speaker 1: want to make space for folks who are coming into

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Speaker 1: this differently or later than us, and just say, look,

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Speaker 1: at the end of the day, you don't get to

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Speaker 1: root for a team that's not in the super Bowl,

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Speaker 1: Like this is it. This is our super Bowl, and

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Speaker 1: we've got to make sure that we have leadership that

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Speaker 1: actually cares to listen to Americans, that actually cares about

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Speaker 1: the you know, votes in states that will put the

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Speaker 1: things we vote for on the ballot. I mean, you've

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Speaker 1: seen this, you know. I'm sure it's something you guys

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Speaker 1: talk about a lot on the reproductive rights tour. But

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Speaker 1: there's states where voters have put protection for abortion on

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Speaker 1: the ballot, and these states are refusing to put those

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Speaker 1: amendments on the ballots. They're trying to sue in their

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Speaker 1: state courts not to do it. And it's a literal

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Speaker 1: refusal to listen to the will of the American people.

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Speaker 1: And that's not what our elected officials are supposed to do.

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Speaker 2: That's exactly right. Well, and they're trying to ensure that

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Speaker 2: these measures don't get on the ballot because they know

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Speaker 2: that they're going to win, because people, every time we

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Speaker 2: see abortion rights on the ballot, we win, and they

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Speaker 2: know that, and so they're trying to prevent it from happening,

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Speaker 2: which is, to your point, completely not how this country

868
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Speaker 2: should work.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So at the end of the day, I'm like, well,

870
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Speaker 1: I think authoritarians have to be shown the door. We

871
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:59,400
Speaker 1: can disagree, and we can debate, and we can really

872
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 1: crunch together on how to get to the best solution

873
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Speaker 1: for the most amount of people. But what we can't

874
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Speaker 1: do is ignore the will of the American public. It's

875
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Speaker 1: just it's a.

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Speaker 4: No for me.

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Speaker 2: Yep, that's a hard pass, hard pass exactly.

878
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Speaker 1: Well, Amanda, I'm curious. You know, there's there's obviously so

879
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Speaker 1: much going on in these fifty days and in the

880
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Speaker 1: last two years of you know, work you've been doing

881
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Speaker 1: and processing that you've been doing, and of course, as

882
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 1: you said, so much to be done. Even after the election.

883
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Speaker 1: We have such a long way to go to restore

884
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Speaker 1: protections for people, to pass smart policy even like paid

885
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Speaker 1: family leave to take care of families in this country.

886
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Speaker 1: But for you, when you kind of pull back and

887
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Speaker 1: you know, grill out with your friends, or walk the dog,

888
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Speaker 1: or you know whatever, whatever the touch grass might be,

889
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Speaker 1: just for yourself, what feels like your work in progress

890
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Speaker 1: right now?

891
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Speaker 2: Oh? I am just a constant work in progress. I

892
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:12,280
Speaker 2: think you know. Something that Josh and I are still

893
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Speaker 2: working on is building a family. And as I mentioned,

894
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Speaker 2: we're we're not going to be able to do that

895
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Speaker 2: probably just by chance. We're gonna have to put a

896
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Speaker 2: lot of work into that. But it's something that we're

897
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Speaker 2: moving forward with and you know, we're really really hopeful.

898
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Speaker 2: We've we've had a lot of bad news in the

899
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Speaker 2: last two years, but we've also had some good news.

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Speaker 2: So we're hopeful that one way or another, we'll still

901
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Speaker 2: be able to grow our family.

902
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I will definitely keep my you know, my

903
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Speaker 1: fingers and toes crossed for you guys. I really, I

904
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Speaker 1: really hope that on the other side of a lot

905
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Speaker 1: of heartache there's a lot of joy.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. I appreciate that.

907
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Speaker 1: Yeah, of course. And by the way, speaking of being

908
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 1: a constant work in progress, I'm like, join the club's sister.

909
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Speaker 2: Aren't we all though?

910
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Speaker 1: I think well, I think who we are. I really

911
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 1: think we are.

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Speaker 4: Well.

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Speaker 1: I just can't thank you enough for taking the time today.

914
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Speaker 1: It really means the world. And I know that it's

915
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 1: not easy to continue to have to share your story,

916
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Speaker 1: but you are absolutely changing hearts and minds, and you're

917
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:21,840
Speaker 1: doing such a service to people who might not have

918
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 1: otherwise understood the reality of what these bills look like

919
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Speaker 1: and what they do to people, to families, And so

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Speaker 1: I just want to add my voice to the probable

921
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Speaker 1: cacophony of thanks that you hear out in the world.

922
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Speaker 1: You absolutely deserve all of the gratitude.

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much. I really appreciate that. And

924
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:47,360
Speaker 2: you know, like I said, I really appreciate you and

925
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 2: everyone in this community for all the hard work that

926
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Speaker 2: we're doing, and folks like you that can use your

927
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:54,799
Speaker 2: platform for something like this is really hard. Means so

928
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Speaker 2: honored to stand with you and buy you and I'm

929
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Speaker 2: just so grateful to be part of this.

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Speaker 1: Likewise, it is an honor