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Speaker 1: Welcome to Good Game with Sarah Spain, where the Chicago

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Speaker 1: River is still green and the Guinness Keg is tapped

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Speaker 1: and ready.

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Speaker 2: But not for me.

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Speaker 1: I'm still recovering from Boston. But for the rest of y'all,

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Speaker 1: enjoy happy Saint Patrick's Day. It's Tuesday, March seventeenth, and

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Speaker 1: on today's show will be chatting with two of the

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Speaker 1: biggest names in college hoops, Yukon standouts KK Arnold and

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Speaker 1: Sarah Strong.

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Speaker 2: We discuss the pressure of being the number one overall.

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Speaker 1: Seed heading into this year's NCAA tournament, the advice they're

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Speaker 1: giving their freshmen and transfer teammates, entering their first March

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Speaker 1: Madness with the Huskies, their fave TikTok dances, and playing

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Speaker 1: for a softer, gentler Gino Oriema. Also, we learn Sarah's

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Speaker 1: biggest accomplishment of the season, posting on Instagram by yourself

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Speaker 1: for the first time. Plus, everybody's playing the waiting game,

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Speaker 1: Angel Reese gets to the point.

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Speaker 2: And Hockey Stars take Hollywood.

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Speaker 1: It's all coming out right after this welcome back slices

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Speaker 1: here so you need to know today. Let's start with

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Speaker 1: a quick and very repetitive update from the WNBACBA negotiations.

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Speaker 2: We're starting to feel like a bit of a broken record.

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Speaker 1: At this point, but it was another long night of

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Speaker 1: meetings and another dawn with no deal. As of this recording,

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Speaker 1: the two sides are still going back and forth on

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Speaker 1: a handful of issues. ESPN's Alexa Philip who posted on

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Speaker 1: social media Monday afternoon that per WNBPA outside council deb Willig,

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Speaker 1: the two sides have made some progress and she's hopeful

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Speaker 1: that a term sheet AKA and non binding summary of

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Speaker 1: twenty hours now. Some quick maths says the league in

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Speaker 1: the union have logged over seventy two hours of face

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Speaker 1: to face meetings over the past seven days, and to

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Speaker 1: think that the longer these negotiations go, the shorter the

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Speaker 1: amount of time the players will have to rest, not

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Speaker 1: to mention signed contracts, settle in and practice before games begin.

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Speaker 1: To international hoops and the Feeble World Cup qualifying tournament

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Speaker 1: in Puerto Rico, Team USA beat Italy Saturday ninety three

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Speaker 1: that one. After Sunday's game, Angel Reese was asked what's

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Speaker 1: been your favorite part of playing for Team USA, and

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Speaker 1: Also looking at you, Chicago Sky. Team USA has been.

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Speaker 2: Winning a lot.

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Speaker 1: They're a perfect four and oh with one game to play,

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Speaker 1: watch it on TNT and as a reminder, the US

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Speaker 1: is already qualified for the Feeble World Cup, taking place

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Speaker 1: practice session, especially for a team with six players making

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Speaker 1: their senior team debuts to the NWSL, where We've still

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Speaker 1: got to wrap up Sunday's games from opening weekend. First,

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Speaker 1: the Seattle Rain and the Orlando Pride. Seattle got on

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Speaker 1: twenty fourth minute. A thirty nine year old former NWSLMVP

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Speaker 1: deployed some fancy footwork before sending in a right footed blast.

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Speaker 1: Another former MVP in Barber Bands and Us scored an

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Speaker 2: This one was never close. ACFC won four nil.

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Speaker 1: Savvy King subbed in in the sixty third minute, her

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Speaker 1: Can't wait to see how she does this season. More NWSL.

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Speaker 1: According to multiple reports on Monday, Katerina Macario is leaving

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Speaker 1: Will earn nearly eight million dollars in fully guaranteed money

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Speaker 1: the league and the Players Association have announced Panini as

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Speaker 1: The broadcast will feature two time World Cup champ and

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Speaker 1: Olympic gold medalist Kelly O'Hara and women's sports content creator

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Speaker 1: in Front of the Show coach Jackie, plus additional content

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Speaker 2: If you're not familiar with Victory Plus.

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Speaker 1: The bad news is it's yet another place you'll have

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Speaker 2: But the good news is it's free.

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Speaker 1: Victory Plus is where the Sunday night games will be streamed,

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Speaker 1: plus thirty two additional regular season matches. To get access,

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Speaker 1: you could search for Victory Plus one word, spell out

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Speaker 1: can watch at Victory plus dot com. To the PWHL,

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Speaker 1: The women's twenty twenty six World Rugby seven Series concluded

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Speaker 1: In on some Winter Olympians who have done anything but

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Speaker 2: It's Sarah Strong and kk Arnold joining us now.

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Speaker 1: She's a junior guard for the undefeated number one in

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Speaker 1: the nation Yukon Husky's first Team All Big East and

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Speaker 1: She's got camel cowboy boots and pants with flames. It's

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Speaker 1: the Masked Menace, the Queen of the girly pops. Kk Arnold, Hey,

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Speaker 1: kk Hi, thanks for joining us, joining her, We've got

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Speaker 1: Yukon Husky's Biggest Player of the Year, Biggiest Defensive Player

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Speaker 1: She speaks fluent Spanish, has dual citizenship with France, and

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Speaker 1: has an nil deal with Unrivaled. It's Sarah Strong, Hi,

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Speaker 1: Sarah Hello, No more fluent Spanish? Shaw, Is that why

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Speaker 3: A little RUSSI trying to practice with Blanca, but a

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Speaker 1: All right, it's allowed, You've got some other things going on.

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Speaker 1: I'm so excited to have you both joining us. KK

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Speaker 1: your Yukon team is now six wins away from a

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Speaker 1: title game performance last year. I'm wondering what coach Gina

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Speaker 1: Oriama's approach has been this season to run in it back.

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Speaker 3: I feel like it starts in practice, just knowing our

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to talk about defense because we've got

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Speaker 2: Sarah tell me about KK on that side of the ball.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I would hate to be guarded by KK.

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Speaker 3: She's just so like on you, like she's everywhere, like

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Speaker 3: Like it's like it's suffocating. Like that's like that's a

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Speaker 3: Like I don't know how she just guards what. She's

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Speaker 1: According to Defensive Writing Statistics, Sarah is having the best

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Speaker 4: Sarah's like a sneaky defender, Like you won't know like

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Speaker 4: Like she's just so sneaky, and she like reads the

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Speaker 5: To coast like I said, but yeah, she's a great defender.

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Speaker 4: I learned a lot from her as well, how to

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Speaker 2: So thanks Sarah. Cute.

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Speaker 1: Also, it's good to have one of those on the

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Speaker 1: described you as this mist that's everywhere. It's a very

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Speaker 1: this myst that's everywhere. Your eyes just keep following her

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Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely not. I think it just comes to the

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Speaker 2: Tell me about your relationship with coach Gino.

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Speaker 3: It's like a regular coach and player relationship. But I mean,

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Speaker 3: I like this year more than last year. He's been

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Speaker 1: We've heard from current players and former players that all

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Speaker 3: Pretty much what you said. I mean, I've heard that

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Speaker 3: going a wrong, but I mean, I don't know anything else,

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Speaker 3: back in the past. So I'm just gonna be thankful

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Speaker 3: for who he is now and what he's.

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Speaker 2: Doing now, KK, you thankful for the kinder, gentler Gino.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I definitely am.

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Speaker 4: And like Sarah said, like I really don't know too

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Speaker 4: Like I'm just grateful for how he is right now.

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Speaker 2: So Easy Fudd was on the show.

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Speaker 1: She told me Pagebackers gave her the nickname the People's

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Speaker 1: at everyone else. So I'm wondering, KK, who drives Gino

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Speaker 5: Me?

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Speaker 4: Gosh, the bigs, Yeah, all the all the bigs, mostly

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Speaker 1: So everybody but easy Yeah. So page was right, all right,

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Speaker 1: Good to know you mentioned Kaylie Hackle. I heard Sarah

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Speaker 1: that y'all have been messing with her a bit about

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Speaker 2: Now she's on your team.

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Speaker 1: What have you been saying to hers, particularly about the

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Speaker 6: KK just always reenacts she said towards her, But I

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Speaker 6: mean it's pretty much that and it's like a light joke,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she takes it, OKAYKK.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I feel like she saw that coming

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Speaker 1: So yeah, Well, for those who don't remember, there was

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Speaker 2: So that's that's what you're reenacting. KK. Nice of you

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Speaker 2: to bring back those fond members for your teammates, of course. Sarah,

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Speaker 2: what's your favorite thing about KK as a teammate.

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Speaker 3: My favorite thing about KK as a teammate would definitely

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Speaker 5: She gets that one.

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Speaker 3: Clap and I'm like okay, like I'm hyping her up

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Speaker 3: and she's like yeah, I just love seeing her just

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Speaker 3: just I just love it when she's in that mode. KK.

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Speaker 2: What's your favorite thing about Sarah as a teammate.

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Speaker 4: I love when Sarah like blacks out in a way

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Speaker 5: And she's like this she's like and then like she

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Speaker 4: Like I feed off of that like kind of like energy,

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Speaker 2: I love that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Sarah, what's been the biggest focus this year for

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Speaker 3: I would say this year I've done more of being

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Speaker 1: KK, What do you think the biggest difference is, like

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Speaker 4: I feel like it's the same approach, but we have

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Speaker 4: Yeah, in a way, I feel like that, and I

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Speaker 4: It was like my leadership staff, how I lead this

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, Sarah, I don't know how much you

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Speaker 2: It was like two made free throws. That's something that's

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Speaker 1: You're like a head down played the game person, not

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I would just say that I'm focused

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Speaker 3: So I'm gonna put all my time and energy and

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Speaker 1: Has it helped you feel like you can be more

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Speaker 3: I think so definitely. Meeting with Anna has really helped me.

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Speaker 3: they're asking me. And I feel a lot more confident

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Speaker 3: I did last season. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: As for the social media, is it true that you

439
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Speaker 1: still don't know how to upload a photo to Instagram?

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 3: I actually posted for the first time yesterday. Wow, I

442
00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:43,359
Speaker 3: like got my pictures, like my ages didn't do it

443
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Speaker 3: for me? Like I got the pictures, did the caption tag?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Go with me.

446
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Speaker 2: You're all grown up.

447
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Speaker 1: I can't wait for you to make a mistake and

448
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Speaker 1: have it looked like something my mom posts where she

449
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Speaker 1: thinks it's like a text message to.

450
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Speaker 2: Someone, but she shut it up on like her Instagram

451
00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:58,960
Speaker 2: or something. Oh, look at that, you're growing up. I

452
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Speaker 2: love that.

453
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Speaker 1: Meanwhile, obviously KK thriving on socials, the dance moves, the

454
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Speaker 1: miked up montages, in practice and behind the scenes, you

455
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Speaker 1: are very much the life of the party. How do

456
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Speaker 1: you think that personality contributes to your ability to lead

457
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Speaker 1: the team?

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Speaker 4: I just feel like that energy, like that contagent energy

459
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Speaker 4: that I show off the court kind of goes on

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Speaker 4: the court as well, just that energy intinity that I

461
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Speaker 4: have on the defensive end, which kind of creates that

462
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Speaker 4: kind of flow for the rest of the game or

463
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Speaker 4: in practice.

464
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Speaker 5: And getting us started waking up STUF.

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Speaker 4: Feel like it goes hand in hand about just being

466
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Speaker 4: loud both ways.

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Speaker 1: I know you said when you started this season, you're

468
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Speaker 1: told a lot of the youngsters might be looking up

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Speaker 1: to you. Do you feel a sort of responsibility to

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Speaker 1: help out teammates like Sarah or others who maybe aren't

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Speaker 1: as comfortable in the spotlight and answering questions, doing interviews,

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Speaker 1: helping them understand that part of what.

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Speaker 2: It is to be a big time college athlete.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, of course.

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Speaker 4: And I feel like everybody here in this program, like

476
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Speaker 4: we're learning each and every day still, and everybody's a

477
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Speaker 4: sponge willing to learn. So I feel like any questions

478
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Speaker 4: that they have, or any questions that I have, like

479
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Speaker 4: we're just open with each other, answering and helping each

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Speaker 4: other out to be the best version of ourselves.

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Speaker 1: So, yeah, you've been wearing a mask on the court

482
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Speaker 1: after that nasal fracture back in December. I actually had

483
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Speaker 1: to wear one of those for field hockey, but mine

484
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Speaker 1: was clear and when I sweated, it got steamed up

485
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Speaker 1: and I looked like an absolutely insane person. Yours is

486
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Speaker 1: way cooler. It's very like batman esque. It's very intimidating.

487
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Speaker 1: But does it impact your vision on the court at all,

488
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Speaker 1: like your peripheral vision?

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Speaker 5: No, actually doesn't.

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Speaker 4: I feel like the first few games that I had

491
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Speaker 4: on I had to kind of get used to that

492
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Speaker 4: kind of black mask feel because the first couple of

493
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Speaker 4: games that I had a mask, it was clear I

494
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Speaker 4: like yours that you were speaking of. But after the

495
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Speaker 4: first couple of games, I was good to go.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you got the masked menace. Any other nicknames that

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Speaker 1: you've acquired as.

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Speaker 5: A result, catwoman, Batman, stuff like that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's an NBA player back in the day, Rit Hamilton,

500
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Speaker 1: and he started wearing his mask and he got so

501
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Speaker 1: comfortable he never stopped wearing and he wore for the

502
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Speaker 1: rest of his career. Any chance you're going to love

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Speaker 1: it so much you never want to part ways?

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Speaker 4: No, probably after this season, Like I'm probably gonna put

505
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Speaker 4: it up in the raptors. Yeah, I'm just keeping off

506
00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:02,320
Speaker 4: of us this season, being safe because after the fact,

507
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Speaker 4: I've still been ginning hit my face, so a little

508
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Speaker 4: bit m so it's a little bit concerning.

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Speaker 5: So we're just gonna get the mask on.

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00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:11,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, smart, gotta protect the money maker, especially with all

511
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Speaker 1: those nil deals you got.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's very smart, you know, Sarah.

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Speaker 1: I've seen you eat up some of those dances as well,

514
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Speaker 1: even though you don't maybe post them yourself. I've seen

515
00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:21,240
Speaker 1: you do in the dances. So I want to play

516
00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:24,720
Speaker 1: a little game of good, gooder, goodest. So there's me

517
00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:26,720
Speaker 1: three things. You have to rank them. Something's just good,

518
00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:29,680
Speaker 1: something's gooder, and something is the goodest.

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Speaker 2: So these are three TikTok dances, the nose and swim.

520
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Speaker 1: Dance, the like eat it up dance, and then I

521
00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:39,879
Speaker 1: literally don't even know what it's called, but whatever the

522
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Speaker 1: hell a'sy's always doing with her knees where like the

523
00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:44,040
Speaker 1: hands are down together and your knees are wiggling.

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Speaker 2: Okay, kay, let's start with you. You're the expert here. I

525
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Speaker 2: need you to rank those.

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Speaker 1: Which one is just good, this one is good Okay,

527
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Speaker 1: Nose and swim is good, this one is gooder, eat

528
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Speaker 1: it up is gooder.

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Speaker 2: And the knee dance is the goodest.

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Speaker 5: Yes, Okay, based on.

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Speaker 1: The amount of time you and Asy spend doing that one,

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Speaker 1: I think that checks out. That is to go to

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Speaker 1: at this point, Sarah, do you agree or do you

534
00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:06,160
Speaker 1: have different rankings?

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00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:06,640
Speaker 2: Yeah?

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00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:09,360
Speaker 3: I disagree. Okay, the one easy.

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Speaker 1: Does is good, said with a tremendous amount of shame.

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00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:20,400
Speaker 1: I like the school Yeah, nose and swim what is it?

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00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:20,040
Speaker 4: Good?

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Speaker 2: Gooder?

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Speaker 3: And the feed is yeah, the feeding one, the last

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Speaker 3: one good?

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Speaker 2: Okay good. We'll be keeping it out for all those

544
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Speaker 2: and I imagine some new ones.

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Speaker 1: Do we have any tiktoks already at the ready KK

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Speaker 1: for for the tournament?

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Speaker 5: No, I take a leave off of TikTok during the Yeah.

548
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Speaker 1: Okay zero dark thirty style. Yeah, you gotta stay focused. Okay, Well,

549
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Speaker 1: we'll be missing the dances, but I look forward to

550
00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:46,440
Speaker 1: whatever builds up and gets released.

551
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Speaker 2: At the end of the tournament. I know you're gonna

552
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:50,000
Speaker 2: still be making them. Y'all.

553
00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:52,560
Speaker 1: Are the overall number one seed in the NCAA tournament.

554
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Speaker 1: You're matched up with University of Texas at San Antotio

555
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:58,000
Speaker 1: in the first round on Saturday, But between that game

556
00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:02,320
Speaker 1: and the final, you've got the life of UCLA LSU

557
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:05,439
Speaker 1: Texas so I'm wondering, KK, when you look ahead at

558
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:07,920
Speaker 1: the field, are there teams that you have an eye on?

559
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:10,400
Speaker 1: Have you been told to focus on just the one

560
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 1: in front of you? Like, how do you approach sort

561
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 1: of the mindset ahead of the tournament.

562
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Speaker 5: I'm just taking one game out of time.

563
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Speaker 4: I mean, like I say, you can't look too far

564
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:21,560
Speaker 4: ahead because you don't know what's going to happen right

565
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:24,000
Speaker 4: the first game or anything like that. So just being present,

566
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Speaker 4: focusing on who we have first and kind of just

567
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Speaker 4: going from there.

568
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Speaker 1: Sarah, does it feel like Gino changes any of his

569
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:32,240
Speaker 1: coaching approach when you're getting into tournament time?

570
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Speaker 3: And I'd say it's pretty consistent. But at a certain

571
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:36,520
Speaker 3: point he's like, like, we don't get out of the chance,

572
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:38,359
Speaker 3: like we oft to be locked in on the same page,

573
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:40,320
Speaker 3: and there's not a lot of them for error, But

574
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 3: most of the time it's consistent.

575
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Speaker 1: Are there any rules, KK, other than your own self

576
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 1: imposed TikTok ban that Gino puts into place, whether it's

577
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:51,479
Speaker 1: about parties or classes or you know, practice time, anything

578
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:53,440
Speaker 1: else that starts to kick in right about now?

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Speaker 4: I mean no, I feel like everybody knows the standard

580
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:57,800
Speaker 4: of what's expected from each and every one of us

581
00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 4: during this time and even during this time as well,

582
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Speaker 4: just the entire year of how we carry ourselves and

583
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:05,200
Speaker 4: do things around here.

584
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Speaker 5: You do it with the same kind of standard you're doing.

585
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Speaker 1: So, Sarah, you're a sophomore, but you're already a national champion,

586
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Speaker 1: so you have become an instant vet. For teammates like

587
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Speaker 1: Kaylee coming from other schools, this is going to be

588
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 1: their first time entering the tournament with Yukon of some

589
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:23,720
Speaker 1: people even like to say January February, Yukon.

590
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 2: April, right, like you just own March.

591
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Speaker 1: So what do you tell those teammates who haven't been

592
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Speaker 1: here before and weren't around last year about what it

593
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Speaker 1: takes to actually get it done.

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Speaker 3: I would say to kind of stay together, and I

595
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 3: feel like a lot, like a lot of stuff going

596
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Speaker 3: on with just kind of taking a breath and just

597
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:42,679
Speaker 3: knowing that she has a team, Like we're with her,

598
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Speaker 3: we have in her back, she has our back. So

599
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Speaker 3: just kind of staying together. The team is going to

600
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Speaker 3: be a lot of ups and downs. Yeah, just stay together.

601
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that they don't have to go through Yukon

602
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Speaker 1: this year because they're on yukon.

603
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Speaker 2: KK.

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Speaker 1: As far as that goes, do you give them advice

605
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Speaker 1: on what it means to be the overall number one, see,

606
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Speaker 1: to be the one everyone's coming forward to be the

607
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:06,399
Speaker 1: defending champs and how maybe that might impact, like how

608
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 1: much media you have to do, how many interviews you're

609
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:10,720
Speaker 1: expected to do, all that stuff that might feel a

610
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 1: little different from them coming into this tournament.

611
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Speaker 4: I just like handle it all with grace and kind

612
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 4: of just carry themselves the same way as we have

613
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Speaker 4: been throughout the season. I feel like they've got enough

614
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:24,879
Speaker 4: awareness about what this program brings in terms of all

615
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,880
Speaker 4: the outside stuff that comes with them. So I feel

616
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Speaker 4: like they understand that they have any questions or they

617
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,239
Speaker 4: feel pressure anything, like we always have their back and

618
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:34,640
Speaker 4: make sure that we're always easing their mind a little

619
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Speaker 4: bit more throughout all the madness. But besides that, I

620
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Speaker 4: feel like they understand what the standard is of this

621
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Speaker 4: program and just how we do things here and just

622
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Speaker 4: they've been doing a great job.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

624
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Speaker 2: Well, we're so excited to watch all in the tournament.

625
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:49,199
Speaker 2: Thanks so much for giving us a little time. Thank you,

626
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:54,359
Speaker 2: thank you, Thanks again to Sarah and KK for taking

627
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Speaker 2: the time.

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Speaker 1: We have to take another break. When we come back,

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Speaker 1: a couple more Queens of the Court welcome back, Slaces.

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00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 1: We want to shout out a new book that's out

631
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 1: in stores today called Court Queen's co authored by sports

632
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 1: journalists and friends at the Show, Emma Bachelari and Jordan Robinson.

633
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 1: It celebrates women's basketball and the many players and coaches

634
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 1: who have helped build the game. It's truly a beautiful book,

635
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 1: lots of pictures, timelines, diagrams documenting the sports history, and

636
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:30,480
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637
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 1: like the CDWNBA divas of the Court Volume one. We

638
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:36,680
Speaker 1: spoke with the duo and we're going to bring you

639
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 1: a full interview with them in an upcoming episode, but

640
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:42,680
Speaker 1: full disclosure between NWSL openers, NCAA tournament talking more.

641
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:44,879
Speaker 2: We just ran out of space to run it this week.

642
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 1: But we did want to play an excerpt today because

643
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,440
Speaker 1: Emma and Jordan both had some super smart takes on

644
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 1: the ongoing WNBACBA negotiations, including the leaked letter that Kelsey

645
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:57,160
Speaker 1: Plum and Brianna Stewart sent to PA executive director Terry Jackson.

646
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,199
Speaker 2: So take a listen to part of our conversation. It

647
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Speaker 2: did for time.

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00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 1: We're recording this March eleventh, still no deal, despite the

649
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,399
Speaker 1: many deadlines that have woohed past us. Jordan, what do

650
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 1: you make of the leaks and just the general length

651
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,439
Speaker 1: of discussion that this has gone on now for this

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Speaker 1: many months.

653
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:19,880
Speaker 7: Oh goodness, I I don't know what to make of it.

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00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:20,640
Speaker 2: It's wild.

655
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:22,879
Speaker 7: I feel like every time that I sit down to

656
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 7: record the Women's Hoop Show, I'm like, and we still

657
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 7: don't know, Like Binger's Cross, which is such a it's

658
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 7: a bad place to be in. I do think the

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Speaker 7: leaks was it was a reminder that this is a negotiation,

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Speaker 7: like this is between an employee and an employer, and

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Speaker 7: I think so much of it when we're looking at it,

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Speaker 7: it's like our favorite WNBA players and our favorite league,

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Speaker 7: like this is just something that has to iron out

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Speaker 7: before we get to watch them. But no, it's like

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Speaker 7: really a labor negotiation. And I think the leaks and

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Speaker 7: the magnitude of the ripple effects of Kelsey Plumb and

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Speaker 7: Brianna Stewart sending a letter and that getting leaked to

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Speaker 7: an outlet like ESPN, that's a big deal.

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Speaker 2: And I think it's just.

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Speaker 7: A reminder that this is really happening, this is real.

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Speaker 7: We want the most for the players. We understand what

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Speaker 7: the league is trying to pitch as well, and we

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Speaker 7: just kind of have to sit back and just wait.

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Speaker 7: Like we can have opinions, we can have thoughts, but

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Speaker 7: we're not I'm not sitting in that.

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Speaker 5: Room for twelve hours.

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Speaker 7: I wasn't even camped outside like the other great journalists who.

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Speaker 2: Were shouts to those who were.

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Speaker 7: Man all we can do is wait, and that's kind

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Speaker 7: of where I am. Just fingers cross toes cross that

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Speaker 7: they can come to an agreement that both sides are happy.

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Speaker 2: I agree.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think I'm also crossing fingers and toes

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Speaker 1: that the length of the discussion and the leak don't

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Speaker 1: somehow soften.

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Speaker 2: The stance of the players.

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Speaker 1: I think they're in an all time leverage point and

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Speaker 1: we've already seen their demands revenue share go down significantly.

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Speaker 1: Maybe that's completely necessary as a result of how the

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Speaker 1: conversations are going, but to me, I worry that they

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Speaker 1: get bullied off of a stance that was incredibly valid

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Speaker 1: from the start and are now already in the twenties

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Speaker 1: of revenue share compared to the men who are in

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Speaker 1: the fifties, Like, why are we even negotiating at that

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Speaker 1: point and still getting pushed down off that number to

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Speaker 1: what would be more like a fifteen percent.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I think mostly it kind of made me very

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Speaker 8: interested in knowing what the information flow has been here

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Speaker 8: that I think, especially when you have a situation where

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Speaker 8: a lot of negotiations are being done virtually you have

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Speaker 8: players spread out in some cases overseas. You're trying to

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Speaker 8: organize a lot of people to get everyone on the

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Speaker 8: same page, to make sure everyone has the information that

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Speaker 8: they need to have to feel informed about what's going

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Speaker 8: on and to make decisions they're going to have to make.

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Speaker 8: That's a challenge, Yeah, across labor organizing. I think you

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Speaker 8: see all the time in other major sports issues that

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Speaker 8: come up when you don't have every player as informed

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Speaker 8: as they can be. And I'm just really curious to

710
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Speaker 8: hear what that information flow has looked like, how that's

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Speaker 8: been organized, how maybe that's different or not different from

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Speaker 8: twenty twenty, the last CBA negotiation that they had, where

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Speaker 8: a lot has changed about the league obviously, but a

714
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Speaker 8: lot has also changed about social media. A lot has

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Speaker 8: changed about how people can get information, how you're creating

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Speaker 8: a structure there to get players informed, to get everyone

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Speaker 8: kind of on the same team metaphorically where they feel

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Speaker 8: like they know what they're fighting for and they know why.

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Speaker 8: That's hard stuff. And I think also another thing that's

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Speaker 8: hard here is the spread of players and the spread

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Speaker 8: of economic situations that you're looking at is so much

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Speaker 8: greater than it's ever been before that because the highs

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Speaker 8: are so much higher when it comes to what players

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Speaker 8: can do with sponsorship, what players can do players who

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Speaker 8: had anil in college versus players who didn't, players who

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Speaker 8: are potentially going to have multiple free agent contracts ahead

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Speaker 8: of them at players who maybe only get one more shot. Like,

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Speaker 8: you're just looking at wildly different economic situations, your wildly

729
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Speaker 8: different stakes and interest here, and that's really hard.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And that's why negotiating as a league is

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Speaker 1: very difficult. And I was so impressed with their unity

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Speaker 1: and I really hope that this doesn't impact their strength

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Speaker 1: as they try to cross this finish line. Do you

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Speaker 1: think that the league needs to consider Kathy Engelbert's role.

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Speaker 1: I heard a suggestion that she should maybe focus on

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Speaker 1: the business side be the CFO or the CEO and

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Speaker 1: then install a former player, maybe someone like Swin Cash

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Speaker 1: to be the commissioner, someone with a better rapport and

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Speaker 1: connection to the athletes.

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Speaker 2: Do you think that post NEFISA call.

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Speaker 1: Your exit interview, Kathy will once these negotiations are over,

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Speaker 1: need to sort of be reconsidered to move forward in

743
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Speaker 1: a positive way or will a deal getting done? Just

744
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 1: everybody feels great, let's you know, we're back to like

745
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Speaker 1: you know, Kathy Rocket and New York Skyline dress with

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Speaker 1: the next thing.

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Speaker 2: What do you guys think?

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Speaker 7: I actually was just talking to someone about this that

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Speaker 7: we haven't even heard a peek from Kathy Angelbert. We

750
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Speaker 7: haven't seen her face, we haven't seen anything about her.

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Speaker 2: And I think that is on purpose.

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Speaker 7: Which he is being moved towards the back of the room.

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Speaker 2: Manic Cumming.

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Speaker 7: Nutt actually told me that idea that the commissioner role

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Speaker 7: should be two people, that it should be one person business,

756
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Speaker 7: one person forward facing that is a former player that

757
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Speaker 7: knows and can speak the language. Two players. And I

758
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Speaker 7: love that idea. I think that it should get a

759
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Speaker 7: lot of traction because it's a big role and the

760
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Speaker 7: WNBA hasn't really had this role before, so I wouldn't

761
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Speaker 7: be surprised if they've had a president.

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Speaker 2: This is the first commissioner.

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Speaker 7: Now we switch to a two person role, I'm all

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Speaker 7: for it, but I do think I feel very strongly

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Speaker 7: about Kathy Angelbert no longer being the face moving forward.

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Speaker 7: I don't know if that's like fully she's out and

767
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 7: she just gets fully replaced, or it's like, yeah, we're

768
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 7: just going to keep you behind the scenes and now

769
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Speaker 7: we're just going to be saying statements from a general

770
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Speaker 7: WBA spokesperson. It's not even her name attached to it anymore.

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Speaker 7: I think that is very much on purpose.

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Speaker 8: Like you were saying, fundamentally, the role of commissioner, you're

773
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Speaker 8: answering to the owners, but you also have this huge

774
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Speaker 8: component that is connecting with the public, representing the league

775
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 8: to the public and to the players. And I do

776
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Speaker 8: feel like after what we saw last year, after what

777
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Speaker 8: we saw from n FISA Collier, I think both the

778
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Speaker 8: public component here and the player connection component here, we're

779
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Speaker 8: pretty damaged in a way that I think it would

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Speaker 8: take a lot to come back from.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's interesting because the commissioner that's the

783
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Speaker 1: most in the spotlight in who we talk about the

784
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 1: most across sports is Roger Goodell, and we do not

785
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Speaker 1: expect him to have a relationship the same way or

786
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 1: to represent the players that make up his league the

787
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:56,959
Speaker 1: same way. But it's also talked about the most because

788
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 1: it's deeply problematic and there are so many questions about

789
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 1: how he can serve players when he is basically the

790
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 1: meat shield for the owners that he is paid by.

791
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Speaker 1: And I think in the WNBN, in women's sports and particular,

792
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 1: people aren't as satisfied by that arrangement, and particularly the

793
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 1: complication of the w being its own thing and yet

794
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,439
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795
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Speaker 1: about how they're run in tandem. So to have someone

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Speaker 1: and then have someone that's the business side dealing with

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Speaker 1: Adam Silver and the owners and everybody else just feels

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Speaker 1: this deal is done.

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