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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 1: My name is Matt. Our colleague Nol is not here today,

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Speaker 1: but we'll be rejoining us soon. They called me Ben.

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Speaker 1: We're joined as always with our super producer Alexis code

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Speaker 1: named Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you are you, You

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Speaker 1: are here, and that makes this the stuff they don't

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Speaker 1: want you to know. It's the top of the week. Uh,

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Speaker 1: this is full disclosure, the birthday era for for Matt,

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Speaker 1: Noel and yours truly. So we are excited as always

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Speaker 1: to bring more strange news. Now, as I say, more

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Speaker 1: and more often, in these our interesting times, it's tough

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Speaker 1: for us to find just one story each to focus on.

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Speaker 1: So today, Matt, you and I are are gonna bring

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Speaker 1: a couple of different stories, and then we're gonna kind

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Speaker 1: some some wild stories which, for one reason or another

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Speaker 1: caught our interest. Fellow conspiracy realists, we hope they catch

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Speaker 1: your interest as well. We're gonna talk in a weird

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Speaker 1: way about rom comms. At the very end, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about activities of the earth that could

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Speaker 1: only be described as disaster style Blockbuster mcguffins, Um, we're

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Speaker 1: gonna talk about how Chicken is weirdly slightly safer. I

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Speaker 1: guess which is you're getting forgiven. But first, Matt, we

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Speaker 1: have to talk about Alex Jones. Oh yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: we we have to. Alex Jones has been going through

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Speaker 1: for quite a while now regarding his let's call it

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Speaker 1: reporting of the Sandy Hook shooting, and we've been, man,

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Speaker 1: we've been talking about that for a while on this show,

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Speaker 1: and we've also been following his trial trials. I think

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Speaker 1: is that is that correct to say? I don't know

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Speaker 1: if it's trial or trials. Yes, it is a series

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Speaker 1: of trials. There are actually three cases against Alex Jones

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Speaker 1: over his claims about the Sandy Hook massacre, the Sandy

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Speaker 1: Hook attack, the Sandy Hook events. Unfortunately, has become has

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Speaker 1: of nearby National Park or just the town of Sandy Hook, Connecticut.

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Speaker 1: But make no mistake, it refers to the Sandy Hook

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Speaker 1: And in the wake of this massive tragedy, Jones garnered

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Speaker 1: high enough to reach the stratosphere. Yeah, the literal people

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Speaker 1: aren't supposed to be here part of the atmosphere. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: between eight and thirty three miles up. That's pretty high. Um. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that is weird because it did happen early this year.

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Speaker 1: I remember when this one erupted, and I remember reading

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Speaker 1: of it. Ben. We may have even mentioned it on

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Speaker 1: Strange News at some point earlier this year. But it

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Speaker 1: is odd to know that the like, what effects that

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Speaker 1: could have on the planet. You don't think water vapor

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00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 1: that high up would do anything. It would just oh, okay,

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Speaker 1: we'll make some clouds and it'll be heavy enough with

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Speaker 1: enough moisture because it is so much moisture in there already.

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Speaker 1: It would cause rainfall and we'd be done. Ben, What

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Speaker 1: if it has something to do with the crazy storms

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Speaker 1: that have been going through lately for months now. It's

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Speaker 1: not an unfair question, man, I'm glad you're asking it because, uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, like many many people would reasonably say, well, hey,

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Speaker 1: water in the air. It's better than all the other

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00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 1: stuff that's in the air, right, it's better that it's

447
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 1: just straight up water falling on us instead of other

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Speaker 1: things foreshadowing, but right, right, if it's just water. But this, uh,

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Speaker 1: this makes sense when you think about it, because water

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Speaker 1: in that level of the atmosphere can trap heat, and

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Speaker 1: so the heat will just bounce back to the ground.

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Speaker 1: This could stay in the stratosphere for meant for several

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Speaker 1: years according to researchers, no one sure how many years

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Speaker 1: it could stay in But because there's been added additional vapor. Uh.

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Speaker 1: The latest studies, which just released this past month in

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Speaker 1: July Geophysical Research Letters. The latest study shows that this

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Speaker 1: added water vapor, even if it sounds like a good thing,

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Speaker 1: can also create chemical reactions that quote temporarily contribute to

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Speaker 1: the depletion of Earth's protective ozone. So yeah, you just

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Speaker 1: can't win, is the point. That's Ah, that's not the

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Speaker 1: point hopefully, folks. But yeah, you nailed it, Matt. There

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Speaker 1: maybe unforeseen consequences for something like this, because this eruption

463
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Speaker 1: was so big, and a lot of this news, because

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Speaker 1: it doesn't have a celebrity face attached to it, a

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Speaker 1: lot of it doesn't get attention right or the due

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Speaker 1: diligence it deserves. So we want to thank all of

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Speaker 1: the scientists working around the clock talk about this. I

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Speaker 1: feel like maybe maybe this is being too depressing. Do

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Speaker 1: you want to do you go into one last story?

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Speaker 1: Might be some good news. Oh yeah, let's let's do that.

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Speaker 1: Been something a little lighter. Yeah, Okay. Anybody, if you're

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Speaker 1: if you're you like us, are a fan of things

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Speaker 1: like chicken kiev or you know, breaded stuffed chicken, cheese

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Speaker 1: or ham or whatever, then you will be glad to

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Speaker 1: know that the US government has intervened. Just a few

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Speaker 1: days ago, as we record this, on Monday of this week,

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Speaker 1: that Apartment of Agriculture said, hey, no more salmonella in

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Speaker 1: that chicken. But it was in there before. Now. It's

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00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 1: I like to call these implication headlines, you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean. It's like if you read, if you read

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Speaker 1: some wild headline that said, um Atlanta Zoo to stop

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Speaker 1: feeding children to guerrillas and exhibit. When did that start happening?

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Speaker 1: But I'm glad that they worked it out. But guys,

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00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:41,480
Speaker 1: that's that's true. Uh. Previously only E. Coli strains were

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Speaker 1: considered adulterants. And the Department of Agriculture recently said, Okay,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna say that maybe salmonella in frozen redded chicken

487
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Speaker 1: products is bad. Yeah, that's literally what this is. Ben.

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Speaker 1: You shared an article from Consumer Reports and this looks

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Speaker 1: nuts to me. Uh. Brian ron Holm, who is Consumer

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Speaker 1: Reports Director of Food Policy, was quoted in saying this

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Speaker 1: is a landmark step. It demonstrates that the U. S

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Speaker 1: d A is serious about addressing salmonella and holding the

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Speaker 1: industry accountable. Like what, there were no salmonella standards? Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 1: and it is. And it establishes a precedent that will

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Speaker 1: allow the Department to work on enforceable salmonella standards for

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Speaker 1: all poultry products based on outbreak data, because there's been

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Speaker 1: what fourteen salmonella outbreaks since this is at least according

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Speaker 1: to the U. S d A. And look, that sounds

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Speaker 1: like a lot. Yeah, And and it doesn't sound like

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Speaker 1: a lot when they say only an estimated two people

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Speaker 1: have become sick. But when you think about what salmonella

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Speaker 1: can do to a person depending on their age and

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00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:05,320
Speaker 1: you know their health, like it is potentially fatal. Correct,

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00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,280
Speaker 1: So you've got to be really really careful with this stuff.

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Speaker 1: Even though it is it has only sickened a small,

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Speaker 1: relatively number of people. It's it's another I mean that

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Speaker 1: quote is fascinating too, because it's another implication quote, right,

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Speaker 1: instead of an implication headline. And this is not the

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Speaker 1: doing consumer reports, that's not necessarily to doing the U

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Speaker 1: s d A. But they're trying to put a positive

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Speaker 1: spin on that. That last part got to me. You know,

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Speaker 1: we're going to set a precedent. This salmon ellis stuff

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00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,800
Speaker 1: is might might be getting out of hand, which is

514
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,880
Speaker 1: nuts because where we all played in Russian Roulette every

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Speaker 1: time we uh, every time we ate some chicken. No no,

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00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 1: because this is very specific, Ben, and I didn't understand

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Speaker 1: that when I first started reading this article. This is

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Speaker 1: only regarding frozen, breaded, stuffed chicken breasts that's raw. Yeah,

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00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 1: so they're they're like saying, hey, guys, salmonella is kind

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00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 1: of dope, you know, like the we don't want to

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Speaker 1: say no salmonella. Ever, we just want to say that

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Speaker 1: if you like that, that is so specific that this

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Speaker 1: is not the case. But it almost feels like something

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Speaker 1: happened to someone who has pulled at the U. S

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Speaker 1: d A right, and they and they called and they

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Speaker 1: were like, look, I'm not trying to rock the boat,

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Speaker 1: but something's got to be done. Like I would just say,

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Speaker 1: as someone who has ordered a chicken sandwich at a

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Speaker 1: very popular fast food joint and upon taking a bite

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Speaker 1: realized that the chicken was still almost frozen and cold

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Speaker 1: and reddish pink on the inside when I've been into it,

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00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 1: I am all for this location quote and whatever the

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Speaker 1: implication implies, because I don't want to experience that again.

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Speaker 1: Everybody out there, cook your chick into a five degrees

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Speaker 1: fahrenheit and he's a he's a thermometer. Don't just like

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Speaker 1: touch it and guess, welcome to the United States. We're

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Speaker 1: trying to have less salmonella. We're gonna pause for a

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Speaker 1: word from our sponsor, and then uh, we're coming back

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00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:29,840
Speaker 1: with a big story. It's important and it's going to

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00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 1: I think help you understand what we said. Well, we

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Speaker 1: mentioned that rain might be foreshadowy and we're back. Is

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Speaker 1: it raining where you are right now when you're listening

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Speaker 1: to this. Are you in a car as they're just

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00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 1: water droplets? Are they just drenching the front of your car?

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00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 1: You got your wipers on? Maybe? Or are you sitting

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Speaker 1: next to your I'm a window looking out listening to

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Speaker 1: the pitter pattern that wonderful rain. Maybe you got a

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Speaker 1: glass of water. Hey, you got a glass of water

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00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 1: right now, some ice in it? Maybe, just enjoying that stuff.

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00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 1: Water is awesome, man, it's great, and rain is cool too.

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00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 1: You remember being a kid running outside in the rain

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00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 1: until the lightning got too close? Right? He did that?

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00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 1: I still do that sometimes actually, but I'm a kid.

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00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 1: But that's how it works. Um, well, y'all, we're not

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00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 1: going to be doing that very much in the near future.

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Speaker 1: We probably shouldn't be doing it now, and we probably

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Speaker 1: shouldn't have been doing it for a while. That's because,

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Speaker 1: according to fizz org BBC, a bunch of very intelligent

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Speaker 1: people doing research, uh, the rain is very, very very

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Speaker 1: dangerous for us. Now here's the article. It's from fizz org.

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Speaker 1: It was posted on August two. Here's the title. It's

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Speaker 1: raining p f A S Remember those those are forever chemicals.

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00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 1: We've talked about them before. Even in Antarctica and on

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Speaker 1: the Tibetan Plateau, rainwater is unsafe to drink. This is

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Speaker 1: according to research from Stockholm University of their at least

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Speaker 1: researchers who were working out of Stockholm University. It was

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Speaker 1: an article published in Environmental Science and Technology, and essentially

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Speaker 1: they are suggesting that all of the studying that we've

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Speaker 1: been doing for gosh, I don't know how many decades

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00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 1: now we've been studying these forever chemicals, when we first

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Speaker 1: started noticing that there leaching into the environment, leaching into humans,

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Speaker 1: into our products, our food, our water, uh, all of

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00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,799
Speaker 1: that stuff. We've been studying for a long time. And

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Speaker 1: what these researchers have positive is that the levels of

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Speaker 1: contamination across the globe of these forever chemicals has reached

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Speaker 1: a new quote planetary boundary that has been exceeded. So

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna read you this quote from the article. Quote

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Speaker 1: based on the latest United States guidelines for these forever

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Speaker 1: chemicals in drinking water, rain water everywhere should be judged

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Speaker 1: unsafe to drink. Let's talk about what that means. Based

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Speaker 1: on the US standards for how much of these forever

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Speaker 1: chemicals is allowed within drinking water for it to be

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Speaker 1: safe for human consumption. All of the water that falls

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Speaker 1: from the sky across the globe, including in those far

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Speaker 1: reaching places that were mentioned Tibetan Plateau and Antarctica. Um,

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00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 1: it should be considered unsafe to open your mouth and

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00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,840
Speaker 1: let the rain come into your mouth and ingest it,

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00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:45,840
Speaker 1: which has a code named DOC And you and I

589
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:48,279
Speaker 1: were talking about all fair, it's gonna be a game

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00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 1: changer for rom coms, yes, for sure, really bad news

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Speaker 1: for Spider Man. I remember that scene. I hope you

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00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 1: remember that scene too. That was a really good seen

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00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 1: the kiss in the rains what I'm talking about. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so this is terrifying to me. Been just as I

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Speaker 1: mentioned at the top, we've been talking about this stuff

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Speaker 1: for a while, specifically about land and like water waterways

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Speaker 1: that were contaminated with this stuff, and then it was

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Speaker 1: getting into farm animals, pets, and even into like well

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00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 1: water that was being consumed by humans, and it was

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Speaker 1: a problem. Now thinking that it's just falling from the

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Speaker 1: sky at levels that are at least according to the US,

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Speaker 1: unsafe for us to consume everywhere like that feels like

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00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 1: post apocalyptic stuff to me. Mm hmm, yeah, it's Uh,

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Speaker 1: it's indicative of a larger problem. I guess for us

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Speaker 1: to step back, for anybody's confused about what p f

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00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:52,319
Speaker 1: as are, and you describe it excellently. It's a group name.

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00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 1: It's group name for any number of chemicals. Uh. The

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00:41:56,680 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 1: the acronym stands for one of two things, per fluoral

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00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 1: alkhal or polyfluoral alkyl. So you're welcome. We're sticking with

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Speaker 1: p f as. This this stuff is used in a

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00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 1: bunch of things, from like fire suppressing foam to packaging

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00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:20,840
Speaker 1: and food you buy in the grocery store, carpets, nonstick pans, polishes, paints,

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Speaker 1: you name it. Um. The reason it's important to be

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00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 1: concerned about this is not just It's not just like

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Speaker 1: the danger of micro plastics, right, which you know, the

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00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 1: research is still ongoing on. It is known improven that

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00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:41,799
Speaker 1: p f as can cause developmental problems and infants, They

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Speaker 1: can lower fertility, they can interfere with hormones, increased cholesterol levels,

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Speaker 1: and of course, what does any dangerous chemical do. They

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00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 1: can increase your risk of cancer. Uh, but I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I was surprised when we're first reading about this, because

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00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 1: way back when we're looking at p f A S

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Speaker 1: number of years ago and stuff there on what you know,

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00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 1: we had that conversation. We've had this iteration iterations in

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00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 1: this conversation so often. Who decides this safe limit? You know,

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Speaker 1: my favorite example boxes of cereal. There's some group of

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00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:22,800
Speaker 1: people who said, Okay, this amount of rap poop is fine.

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Speaker 1: We just gotta be realistic. Let's call it the two scoops.

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Speaker 1: Limit that much rap poop, that's it. And over that

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Speaker 1: then it's a problem. They This can sound cold, but

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Speaker 1: they have to governmental bodies have to think this way

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Speaker 1: because it's literally at this point impossible for them to

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Speaker 1: get all of the p f A S out of

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Speaker 1: out of the water system, the water cycle. I don't

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Speaker 1: know about the rap poop. Maybe one person was just like,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, I like a little kick, you know

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Speaker 1: of on the edge with those wheaties. Well, well, let's

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Speaker 1: let's talk about the regulations, because they differ from country

639
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Speaker 1: to country and different parts of the world. They're very,

640
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Speaker 1: very different. If you go to reporting out of the BBC,

641
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Speaker 1: they have an article you can find titled Pollution colon

642
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Speaker 1: Forever chemicals and rainwater exceed safe levels, and they are

643
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Speaker 1: there's a little specific about this, a little vague about this,

644
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Speaker 1: but they are saying that this is only with regards

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Speaker 1: to the US regulations or the US safety standards that

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Speaker 1: are outlined in Europe. Parts of Europe. It's different in

647
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Speaker 1: the UK. If you're out in the United Kingdom. The

648
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Speaker 1: same level that was found you know, across the earth

649
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Speaker 1: there was dangerous according to US levels is not dangerous

650
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Speaker 1: according to the UK regulations. Um, but they do exceed

651
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Speaker 1: the European Union thresholds of safety. So it really just

652
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Speaker 1: depends Ben, as you said, on who who decides what's

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Speaker 1: safe and what's not. Uh like a little salmon ella.

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Speaker 1: I like, look, let's like the rid of all the

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Speaker 1: salmon ella. Yeah. Yeah, Well so here here's the scary thing.

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Speaker 1: There was a BBC investigation not long ago that looked

657
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Speaker 1: at these same forever chemicals in drinking water, not in rainwater,

658
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Speaker 1: the stuff that we think is natural coming from the sky,

659
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Speaker 1: but the drinking water, the stuff that gets treated and

660
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Speaker 1: goes into houses via pipes after going through massive expensive

661
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Speaker 1: water treatment plants. And they they threw up a flag saying, hey,

662
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Speaker 1: there's quite a bit more of this stuff in our

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Speaker 1: drinking water than we expected, and it's going to be

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Speaker 1: crazy expensive to get it out because you have to

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Speaker 1: upgrade each and every one of those water treatment centers

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Speaker 1: with millions and millions of dollars in order to get

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Speaker 1: this stuff out. And that's just you know, we're talking

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Speaker 1: about the UK there, but that's not if you imagine

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Speaker 1: it on a world scale, how much money it will

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Speaker 1: cost to get these chemicals out of just the drinking

671
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Speaker 1: water that's not out of the environment itself, the soil

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Speaker 1: that grows plants, the water sources that are fed to

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Speaker 1: cattle and other animals that we consume, um, you know,

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Speaker 1: the water that we play in for recreation in lakes

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Speaker 1: and rivers in the ocean. This is a just God,

676
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:30,919
Speaker 1: it's a horrible crisis. And it doesn't even matter that

677
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Speaker 1: is three M is the company that was originally creating

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Speaker 1: teflon and putting that out in the world, which is

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Speaker 1: kind of you know what we talked about. I think

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Speaker 1: the first time we talked about p f A s um.

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Speaker 1: Even though they stopped manufacturing it, there are still forty

682
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Speaker 1: five hundred other compounds that are the same thing. There

683
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Speaker 1: are these carbon chains that just stick around forever, and

684
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Speaker 1: it's it's horrifying. It's not gonna get any better, It's

685
00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:59,840
Speaker 1: only going to get worse. So what has to have

686
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Speaker 1: and now, like yesterday, is some kind of regulation has

687
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Speaker 1: to stop these things from getting into a vast number

688
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Speaker 1: of the consumer products that we use every day. Yeah,

689
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Speaker 1: agreed and well said. I mean this also for many

690
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 1: of us in the crowd today, you're immediately thinking of

691
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Speaker 1: your rainwater collection barrels, right should be. Uh And in

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Speaker 1: states that have not imposed laws against our communities that

693
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Speaker 1: have done posed laws against collecting rainwater, which is a

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Speaker 1: real yeah, just as ridiculous as it sounds. Um, there

695
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Speaker 1: is good news. You can filter many p f A

696
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 1: s on the order of ninety plus percent from water

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Speaker 1: from tap water sources, from rainwater sources. You just need

698
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Speaker 1: the right equipment to do so. So it's not it's

699
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Speaker 1: not a hopeless situation in the short term. It's just

700
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Speaker 1: that I think we feel strongly on this show that

701
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 1: everyone needs to be aware of what's going on because

702
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 1: again again and this, and tell me if I'm harping

703
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:16,719
Speaker 1: on this too much, Matt, but again, the issue here

704
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 1: is that with these really dangerous systemic problems. A lot

705
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:24,879
Speaker 1: of media outlets don't pay too much attention to them

706
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Speaker 1: unless they have a celebrity face attached, and that is

707
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Speaker 1: a lot of people opinion. A lot of us everyday

708
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 1: human beings that consume news, we don't pay attention to

709
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 1: it because it's not exciting. It's horrifying, and you don't

710
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Speaker 1: want to look at that. I don't want to think

711
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 1: about this. I don't want to get ready for bed

712
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Speaker 1: thinking about the forever chemicals that are pitter pattering on

713
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Speaker 1: my roof, Like that's that's horrifying to me. Uh, or

714
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Speaker 1: all the people who do rely on rainwater, you know,

715
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:59,399
Speaker 1: like oh, embottled water is not necessarily safe either, by

716
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:02,319
Speaker 1: the way, you know what I mean, like, how how much?

717
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Speaker 1: If it's water that came from this planet, it's probably

718
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 1: not saying it's us. You need space water. Where's the

719
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:13,880
Speaker 1: moon water? It'll still be contaminated, but it'll have you know,

720
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 1: different space additives charge us. Shout out to most deft

721
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Speaker 1: by the way for New World water. I think I

722
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Speaker 1: always think of that whenever we talked about this sort

723
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Speaker 1: of stuff. Check out the song. Yes that's correct. Yeah,

724
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Speaker 1: most of when he recorded that, yes, seem bay now,

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Speaker 1: um not do you have so you've given us a

726
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Speaker 1: lay of land? Do you have recommendations for people? Do

727
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 1: you have things folks should think about, especially if you

728
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 1: are like us, uh, someone given to plane and the rain,

729
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 1: or you have kids or loved ones who do the same.

730
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Speaker 1: Do you have any way to wisdom? Yes, go out there.

731
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 1: You can find rain and water resistant clothing that has

732
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 1: a ton of forever chemicals like built into it. So

733
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Speaker 1: just where the forever chemicals to make sure the other

734
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Speaker 1: forever chemicals that are more free flowing don't enter your

735
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Speaker 1: body in any way. Okay, Yeah, So like like dressing

736
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Speaker 1: with the skin of a dead person during a like

737
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 1: a rising of the undead, very similar to that. Yes,

738
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Speaker 1: I took it a weird direction, but I think, um now,

739
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 1: I mean you can look into filtration if you're nervous

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Speaker 1: about your family. And of course we have to add

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Speaker 1: the caveat there are several, let's say, organizations that will

742
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Speaker 1: say they'll just hit this hammer as many times they can.

743
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Speaker 1: The science is still out on p F A S

744
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 1: and and we don't know how dangerous they are and

745
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Speaker 1: what levels are actually dangerous and how bad this is

746
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Speaker 1: I would just say I don't want to run around

747
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 1: yelling the sky is falling, but I think we've seen

748
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Speaker 1: in the past what these things can do the central

749
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Speaker 1: for damage and danger. I you know, I don't want

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Speaker 1: to be somebody who doesn't go with the science, or

751
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:10,800
Speaker 1: you know, isn't paying attention and being skeptical about things.

752
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:14,919
Speaker 1: But there are enough experts in fields of science and

753
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:19,320
Speaker 1: regulators and intelligent people across the world that are throwing

754
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 1: a flag up about this that I think we really

755
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 1: need to start paying attention to doing something. Yeah, and

756
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:28,440
Speaker 1: by we we mean everybody, not just here because here

757
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:31,720
Speaker 1: stuff there once, you know, not just you followed conspiracy realists.

758
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:35,880
Speaker 1: Get the word out, you know, think about think about

759
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:40,479
Speaker 1: all the um Think about the motivations of people who

760
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 1: are trying to boo hoo this sort of science or

761
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:49,319
Speaker 1: attack it in question their sources of funding, question it

762
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:52,840
Speaker 1: actively be proactive about that. Look at the case of

763
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Speaker 1: lead contamination and all the things that it led to

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Speaker 1: in the United States. There's a difference between saying let's

765
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Speaker 1: be cautious an objective whereas research to be done, and saying, hey,

766
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Speaker 1: I'm part of a think tank, don't worry about this

767
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 1: and don't look at my funding page, you know what

768
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:14,320
Speaker 1: I mean. That's those are real conspiracies that happened. Oil

769
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Speaker 1: companies were part of them, large chemical manufacturers. One thing

770
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Speaker 1: we know for sure. T f A s are not good.

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Speaker 1: The conversation is about how bad they may be and

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Speaker 1: in which ways they can be damaging. No one, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: no one is saying this is absolutely fine, you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean. And no one's saying the p f

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Speaker 1: as in your water are going to be a net

776
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Speaker 1: benefit in any case. No, but it's just enough that

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Speaker 1: you'll be fine and you'll get that little sousson of Rato,

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Speaker 1: you know, yeah, just a little out of edge, you

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Speaker 1: know what I mean. I was so disappointed to scoops

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