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Speaker 1: On this episode of Newsworld, Chaos at the Border, lawfare

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Speaker 1: targeting former President Trump, DEEI, and the military, the COVID

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Speaker 1: cover up. These are just a few of the topics

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Speaker 1: addressed in the new book by Tom Fitton, Rights and

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Speaker 1: Freedoms in Peril, an investigative report on the left's attack

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Speaker 1: on America. Tom and his team in Judicial Watch discuss

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Speaker 1: how the progressive movement is threatening America's institutions and undermining

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Speaker 1: to the world. Here to discuss his new book, I'm

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Speaker 1: really pleased to welcome my guest, Tom Fitton. He is

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Speaker 1: the president Judicial Watch and brings thirty years experience in

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Speaker 1: conservative public policy to America's largest and most effective government

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Speaker 1: watchdog organization. He is a real fighter and somebody who

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Speaker 1: I've admired for a long time. Tom, Welcome and thank

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Speaker 2: I appreciate the invitation and I'm pleased to be here

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Speaker 2: with you. As you know that it's a mutual admiration

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Speaker 2: society here. Appreciate your leaders Listen, you do great work.

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Speaker 1: But I'm curious, can you share a bit about your

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Speaker 1: background and what led you to become involved in government accountability.

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Speaker 2: I was in a middle class family, right to use

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Speaker 2: the phrase. My father was a supermarket manager. My mother

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Speaker 2: raised ten kids, became a nurse, a right to life activist,

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Speaker 2: you know. I went to school down here at George

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Speaker 2: Washington University, and my first job was for Morton Blackwell,

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Speaker 2: the conservative activist teaches young folks how to lead. And

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Speaker 2: I've just been in the movement ever since. And I

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Speaker 2: came over to Judicial Watch, which we're celebrating thirty years now,

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Speaker 2: and I came over in ninety eight because I kind

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Speaker 2: of liked this aggressive approach to dealing with the problems

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Speaker 2: we face. We had these corruption issues. The left, as

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Speaker 2: you were called back then, they were the googo people,

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Speaker 2: they were the good government people, public citizen, these left

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Speaker 2: leaning groups. They used Floya to essentially harass the national

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Speaker 2: at the time. And so Judial Watch came in. We

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Speaker 2: used Floya to advance our values. We recognized when you

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Speaker 2: government large as right, that was their idea of government investigations,

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Speaker 2: and we obviously took a different approach. You know, we

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Speaker 2: I mean, the Clinton years, despite the impeachment, were relatively

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Speaker 2: With him, it was this personalized corruption, some abuses of power.

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Speaker 2: I recall him coming in and say, well, you know,

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Speaker 1: Over eighty percent of the country believes corruption is a

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Speaker 1: It Now you use Freedom of Information Act requests. How

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Speaker 2: It's been essential. First of all, every government bureaucrat understands

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Speaker 2: And my view is, why would you want dirty election roles?

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Speaker 1: Do you see this whole process? Clyst and I were

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Speaker 1: the Florida recount in two thousand, and it's really well done,

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Speaker 2: and it's one thing to do recounts after an election,

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Speaker 2: Where they're suing just a department a wall on it. California,

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Speaker 1: When you watch first they let them all come in illegally.

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Speaker 2: That's right. There's the danger of the voting because it's

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