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Speaker 1: Brian Campbell. This this Morning Combat. It is the twenty

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Speaker 1: second of November twenty twenty one, and it is time

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Speaker 1: everybody for Morning Combat. Hello everyone, my name is Luke Thomas.

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Speaker 1: I'm one half of your hosting duo. You might know

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Speaker 1: me from CBS Sports in Showtime. I am coming to

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Speaker 1: you live from the Capitols Douts Wenitos right here in Washington, DC.

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Speaker 1: And you'll notice Brian has either lost weight or dyed

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Speaker 1: his hair again, or maybe it's actually not Brian. Say

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Speaker 1: hello to our guest host for today. He is the

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Speaker 1: man behind basically everything you really see on the video side,

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Speaker 1: and probably a whole lot more. For the MacLife, it's

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Speaker 1: Oscar Willis. What's up? Oscar? How are you?

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Speaker 2: Very well man? Thanks very much much for having me.

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Speaker 3: I was a bit surprised to get the call, but

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Speaker 3: I understand you needed to swat one degenerate for another,

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Speaker 3: and so here I am slot in as a nice

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Speaker 1: Well after some of your revelations in your podcast with

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Speaker 1: Dan Hooker about Little People. I thought, well, he's actually

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Speaker 1: quite perfect for the show, is he not? So? How

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Speaker 1: would you describe your work over the mac life Tell

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Speaker 3: Man, Like you said, if you see it on the YouTube,

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Speaker 3: it's probably me. I would handle most of the social

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Speaker 3: media stuff as well. And I'm the guy who asked

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Speaker 3: which really is the best.

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Speaker 2: Part of the job. Just slowly but surely turning in

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Speaker 1: Now you have been to the Apex a million times,

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Speaker 1: right like you were at the Apex for Saturday's Tate

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Speaker 1: and Vieira fight. Do you like the fights at the Apex?

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Speaker 3: At this point, it's become so routine And I think

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Speaker 3: but I will say when it's every Saturday and you

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the card this weekend not super money, but luckily

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Speaker 1: boxing if we can. Terrence Crawford defeats Sean Porter on

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Speaker 3: I think it's an incredible performance, to be honest, when

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Speaker 3: is when they're tested on Saturday night. He actually was

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Speaker 2: So I thought his performance is incredible.

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Speaker 1: Just then, yeah, just what did you Was that the

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Speaker 1: All right, here's the way I would look at this.

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Speaker 1: But the reason why is because in the end, yes,

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Speaker 1: he did get hit somewhat and that counts against the

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Speaker 1: perfect performance. He ultimately got the stoppage, and even if

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Speaker 1: wrong direction really fast in round ten. In fact, I

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Speaker 1: was texting with Brian this morning because he hasn't seen

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Speaker 1: seen the fight, and he was like, would you give

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Speaker 1: I had him all for Crawford by round nine. Dude,

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Speaker 1: he was operating. Round nine was clearly no doubt about it.

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Speaker 1: Was he top pound for pound? See here's the thing.

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Speaker 1: If you want to argue that a guy like Bud

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Speaker 1: you cannot blame Bud Crawford entirely for the you know,

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Speaker 1: amir Con fights that he had that were big names

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Speaker 1: terms of the names on the resume as he plods

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Speaker 1: through the level of achievement, Oscar, it's just not what

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Speaker 1: Bud has. But if you wanted to argue separately, he's

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Speaker 1: a more talented boxer. I'm not saying I necessarily agree

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Speaker 1: and I think you could reasonably come up with Bud

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Speaker 3: I can understand that, and I think technically you're probably

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Speaker 3: You're probably right.

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Speaker 3: There are certain guys who get into a groove. I

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Speaker 2: You know they're going to go in there now.

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Speaker 3: On Saturday, Porter came at him, which I think he

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Speaker 2: I think he has to be.

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Speaker 3: Very aggressive, very early, and I think Party did that

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Speaker 2: But there's just an air about them. And because the air.

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Speaker 3: Comes from their technical ability, right His ability to find

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately the sport of boxing.

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Speaker 3: A lot of these guys could have better resumes if

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Speaker 2: Right, So a lot of times that might fall on fighter.

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Speaker 3: You know, there's so many other sports in America that

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Speaker 2: More go down the street than they would hear Canelo.

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Speaker 2: There is something to that. What Bob wants, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I suspect old Bob has seen AJ walking out in

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Speaker 2: Who can do that.

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Speaker 3: And Bob has a weird sort of relationship with the

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Speaker 3: I felt for a long time the reason why and

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Speaker 3: I think Crawford has a level of fan base over there.

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Speaker 2: That he might not do here.

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Speaker 1: Hmm. Interesting, Okay, getting back to the fight itself, I

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Speaker 1: like what you said about Porter. I thought, you know,

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Speaker 1: I love that he had that stance that was lowered

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Speaker 1: how he closed the show. How impressed were you this

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Speaker 1: what could he have done differently, I'm not sure the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I know we're going to get to his

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Speaker 3: fantastic account of himself. He lost to Crawford, Okay, you

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Speaker 3: There's no shame in that, and in fact, just being

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Speaker 3: he came very aggressively.

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Speaker 2: Now Crawford was able to make adjustments.

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Speaker 3: Let's not they clashed heads a number of times that

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Speaker 2: It didn't seem too too much, but there was.

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Speaker 3: It was a gritty fight, and from Porter's account, I

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Speaker 2: Their level, like, oh, they got to turn this one

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Speaker 3: You know, they've got to turn this one into a

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Speaker 2: That's what he did.

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Speaker 3: He did what was asked of him, by what people

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Speaker 2: He should be very proud. And that's why. And again

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Speaker 2: we're going to get into this.

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Speaker 3: I think the retirement too, maybe came from emotional place,

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Speaker 1: All right, So he did, in fact say at the

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Speaker 1: last one. Now there's a couple of things here. Let's

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Speaker 1: He may have seen something, especially when he was pounding

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Speaker 2: On the matter.

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Speaker 1: He got knocked down the second time, right, he was

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I completely agree. I actually thought he was completely

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Speaker 2: He didn't prepare enough.

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Speaker 3: Well he did, he did, all right, you know, he

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Speaker 2: So at first I thought it stopped.

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Speaker 3: It was a little early because I watched the arc

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Speaker 2: But I thought that I thought it was a little

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Speaker 3: But then after a while you realized, like, actually, no,

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Speaker 2: Us, but I don't. I don't know what he was

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Speaker 3: And if he didn't prepare well, I don't know how

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Speaker 2: So again, maybe the motions were running high.

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Speaker 2: But you know, you don't have to, you know, spank.

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Speaker 1: But as for the call itself, I mean I was like,

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Speaker 3: The momentum was very clearly slipping into one direction, right,

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Speaker 3: And the more hurt Porter gets, the more easy it

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Speaker 2: But I think it was a first stoppage.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I guess the way I would look

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Speaker 1: came pretty quickly. And again it came pretty early in

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Speaker 1: the fight. Like was it a little bit early? Maybe

440
00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:13,040
Speaker 1: a little bit early. But here's the thing, man, you

441
00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:15,000
Speaker 1: know this, you alluded to it. I mean, how many

442
00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:18,720
Speaker 1: times in MMA have we seen a corner just let

443
00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:21,479
Speaker 1: their guy go out there and take a fucking super

444
00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:25,240
Speaker 1: unnecessary beating. Then they lose, and you're like, right here

445
00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:28,800
Speaker 1: we are. Maybe this was on the early side, But

446
00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:31,480
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, as a general orientation for me,

447
00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:37,040
Speaker 1: if we're on the side of preserving someone's humanity and

448
00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:40,439
Speaker 1: their ability. By the way, Sean already has a career

449
00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:43,679
Speaker 1: as a broadcaster. He's doing that now. You see him

450
00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:45,600
Speaker 1: on PBC, on Fox, you see him doing all kinds

451
00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:48,280
Speaker 1: of stuff. He worked with Brian Campbell in NBC Sports.

452
00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:51,800
Speaker 1: Maybe he wanted to preserve his brain health and like,

453
00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:54,240
Speaker 1: if you're gonna air on the side of caution, and

454
00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:56,639
Speaker 1: then maybe he knew also was his last fight. I

455
00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:58,920
Speaker 1: guess I don't have an issue with it. In the end,

456
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Speaker 1: I just thought it could have been handled a little

457
00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:01,960
Speaker 1: bit more delicately.

458
00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:04,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, it also depends, right if it Ha'd say, the

459
00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:07,399
Speaker 3: fight was still raised a close at that point, and

460
00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:09,560
Speaker 3: he threw in the towel after two knockdowns, Well then

461
00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:11,640
Speaker 3: you're denying your fight to the chance to get back

462
00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:13,960
Speaker 3: in there and you know, show some gritten heart. But

463
00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:15,960
Speaker 3: the fight was starting to slip away from him. So

464
00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:18,760
Speaker 3: when it's like that, when Chai always sort of think,

465
00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:20,600
Speaker 3: you know, you don't you don't pull them out when

466
00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:21,280
Speaker 3: they don't.

467
00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:22,280
Speaker 2: Have a chance to win or something like that.

468
00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:25,080
Speaker 3: Whatever says our donasis a lot, but you know, you

469
00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:26,640
Speaker 3: basically pull them out when they don't have a roots

470
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Speaker 3: to victory anymore. And I felt at that point it's

471
00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:30,560
Speaker 3: fair to assume he probably did not have a root

472
00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:32,479
Speaker 3: to win it that fight anymore. It should have been

473
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Speaker 3: handled better, as you said earlier, you know, if he

474
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Speaker 3: had just thrown the towel in and not you know,

475
00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:40,680
Speaker 3: decided to abandon his child after the fight, no I

476
00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:42,560
Speaker 3: would have said anything. It would have just been like, yeah, okay,

477
00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:45,320
Speaker 3: because we saw with Wilder right in the second fight,

478
00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:48,119
Speaker 3: the way that was handled from him. The fighter's perspective.

479
00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:49,960
Speaker 3: I think everyone walks away from that being like, man,

480
00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:51,440
Speaker 3: we should actually respect.

481
00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:53,760
Speaker 2: Coaches who want to get involved and want to protect.

482
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Speaker 3: Their guy more than we should respect the ones who

483
00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:57,280
Speaker 3: sort of look at their watch as the brains are

484
00:19:57,320 --> 00:19:58,880
Speaker 3: coming out of their ears on the canvas.

485
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Speaker 1: You know, all right, fair enough, I'll give you the

486
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Speaker 1: final word on that topic. Let's talk about the second topic.

487
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Speaker 1: So now we move forward with this. Sean Porter has

488
00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:11,840
Speaker 1: retired again. I thought some people were saying it was

489
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Speaker 1: a Hall of Fame career. I'm not so sure about that,

490
00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:15,160
Speaker 1: but let's put that to the side. Let's talk about

491
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Speaker 1: what might be next. Everything in the fight game is

492
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Speaker 1: what happened, and then what's next. Here's the what's next part.

493
00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:22,760
Speaker 1: We are, at least in theory, much closer to a

494
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Speaker 1: showdown between the top welter weights. It's one hundred and

495
00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:28,800
Speaker 1: forty seven pounds in boxing between Crawford and now ERL Spence, who,

496
00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:30,800
Speaker 1: by the way, was in attendance of the fights so

497
00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:34,920
Speaker 1: that he said he would never be for a Crawford fight. Oscar,

498
00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:36,919
Speaker 1: I keep calling you, I'm getting ready to call you

499
00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:41,399
Speaker 1: BC every time. I gotta stop doing that. It really

500
00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:43,200
Speaker 1: is it's the worst. You could be high on meth

501
00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:45,840
Speaker 1: and that would be insulting. Still, all right, and here's

502
00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:48,399
Speaker 1: the issue. That was the yeah, which he often is.

503
00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:51,960
Speaker 1: That was the last fight on the contract for Top

504
00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:55,520
Speaker 1: Rank with Bud Crawford. He is technically a free agent.

505
00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:59,040
Speaker 1: We know Eryl Spence is with PBC. In your mind, Oscar,

506
00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:02,159
Speaker 1: everyone wants to But reasonably speaking, how close do you

507
00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:02,640
Speaker 1: think we are?

508
00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:05,400
Speaker 3: We are closer than ever because of what he just said.

509
00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:08,119
Speaker 3: The fact he's no longer with Top Rank is a

510
00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:08,800
Speaker 3: massive deal.

511
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Speaker 2: I think.

512
00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:12,880
Speaker 3: You know, boxing has kind of especially Oh Bob, they

513
00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:14,960
Speaker 3: love to play the Manny Floyd game.

514
00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:17,520
Speaker 2: Right, Well, let's just leave it as long as possible.

515
00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:19,880
Speaker 3: Let's string out as many fights as we can from

516
00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:22,880
Speaker 3: both guys, and then eventually, when we've really run out

517
00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:24,680
Speaker 3: of everything else, we'll do that fight and we'll still

518
00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:26,520
Speaker 3: make a killing because people will still.

519
00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:28,639
Speaker 2: Want to watch it. They love doing that. It's very

520
00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:29,639
Speaker 2: annoying that they do that.

521
00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:32,280
Speaker 3: Fury and Joshua has disappeared, probably because they like to

522
00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:35,639
Speaker 3: do that. So I think now he's out of the

523
00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:37,879
Speaker 3: way and there's room for negotiations. I mean want to

524
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Speaker 3: position Crawford's him by the way to be a free

525
00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:40,960
Speaker 3: agent in this marketplace.

526
00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:42,880
Speaker 2: That's a pretty good deal for him. I think he's.

527
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Speaker 3: Potentially going to make. It's not even about the money.

528
00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:47,080
Speaker 3: I can imagine it's not necessarily about the money.

529
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Speaker 2: For Crawford.

530
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Speaker 3: I would probably like to sign with the guy who

531
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Speaker 3: didn't publicly essentially shit on me and say, oh, I

532
00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:54,760
Speaker 3: could build a house in Beverly Hills and stuff like

533
00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:57,920
Speaker 3: that doesn't really speak to a great working relationship.

534
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Speaker 2: So I think we're closer than ever.

535
00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:04,360
Speaker 3: I just have been burnt so many times by boxing

536
00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:06,280
Speaker 3: that it's hard for me to say it's definitely happening next.

537
00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:07,480
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna have to wait and see.

538
00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:09,920
Speaker 3: I can imagine they give Spence one first, and then

539
00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:12,080
Speaker 3: you know, then he has to have a first one

540
00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:12,760
Speaker 3: on his new.

541
00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:14,480
Speaker 2: Contract and so on and so forth.

542
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Speaker 1: So I'm not.

543
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Speaker 3: Ready to say we're going to see it next, but

544
00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:19,200
Speaker 3: I do believe we've taken a very necessary and important

545
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Speaker 3: step together.

546
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Speaker 1: I think that Bud Crawford should do well. A he

547
00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:25,840
Speaker 1: should do what's best for him, and I think he

548
00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:27,880
Speaker 1: will probably make a call to do that. I think

549
00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:30,720
Speaker 1: he should play the Canelo game personally. Canelo has reached

550
00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:33,879
Speaker 1: a point in his career he can sign one two

551
00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:38,320
Speaker 1: fight deals and he can bounce from promoter to uh

552
00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:41,520
Speaker 1: whoever has you know, this stable of fighters and that

553
00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:44,480
Speaker 1: stable of fighters. He has totally freed himself and he

554
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:46,720
Speaker 1: has the leverage to do it because everybody wants to

555
00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:48,080
Speaker 1: be in the Canelo business.

556
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Speaker 2: Now.

557
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Speaker 1: I don't know if all those seeing kind of people

558
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Speaker 1: want to be in the Bud Crawford business to the

559
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:55,240
Speaker 1: same degree, but yeah, dude, virtually every promoter in this

560
00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:56,720
Speaker 1: space is going to want to be in the Bud

561
00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,800
Speaker 1: Crawford business if they can help it. You're dominant for

562
00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:02,840
Speaker 1: It's probably gonna be PBC. They have had a lock

563
00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:04,720
Speaker 1: on one forty seven in a way that no other

564
00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:07,080
Speaker 1: promoter has. And in fact, part of the reason why

565
00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:09,719
Speaker 1: Spence being with PBC, and of course Crawford being with

566
00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:12,000
Speaker 1: Top Rank that fight didn't happen, was you get it

567
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:14,840
Speaker 1: sort of a sanctioning body demanding it or some other

568
00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:17,560
Speaker 1: intervening factor. We were probably never gonna get it as

569
00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:20,280
Speaker 1: a consequence of that. Well, now that impediment is totally

570
00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:21,959
Speaker 1: out of the way, he could go and sign with

571
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,359
Speaker 1: PBC and al Himan and everybody else. He could fight

572
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:27,360
Speaker 1: freaking Spence on Showtime for all we know, or CBS

573
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,720
Speaker 1: or Fox or whatever. He would have tons of opportunity there,

574
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:33,480
Speaker 1: and not just Spence but the other welterweights there. Now,

575
00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:35,200
Speaker 1: I want to give a shout out to two different

576
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Speaker 1: people who I thought made great points about this already. First,

577
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:40,440
Speaker 1: Scott christ over a Bad left Hook, which is a

578
00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:42,639
Speaker 1: great boxing website. He argued something that I think is

579
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Speaker 1: unimpeachably true. Namely, there have always been times at one

580
00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:52,000
Speaker 1: forty seven where you could have Bud or Spence have

581
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:55,239
Speaker 1: a bigger fight, right. I'll give you an example. It

582
00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:57,320
Speaker 1: wasn't the fight that made the most sense, but it

583
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Speaker 1: could make sense. It was decent, and then the other

584
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Speaker 1: guy had a big name. Spence, for example, was supposed

585
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:04,840
Speaker 1: to take on Pakiao. Now Spence got his I messed

586
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 1: up and the fight fell through and Ugas went in

587
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 1: there and we all know the story. But the point

588
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 1: being was you got around Spence versus Crawford by just

589
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,160
Speaker 1: giving Spence to Pakia because hey, big name, big fight,

590
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:18,560
Speaker 1: big sales, whatever. Pakiao is now gone and if you

591
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:20,960
Speaker 1: just look at the rest of the division, Ugas has

592
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:23,560
Speaker 1: one title, but he he didn't get like a blown

593
00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:27,680
Speaker 1: up name from fighting Pakiao. So at one forty seven,

594
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:31,800
Speaker 1: this is the first time in history and you got in.

595
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:34,800
Speaker 1: The free edging component adds it to this exponentially, But

596
00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:37,880
Speaker 1: just in terms of like the big names, each guy

597
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:41,480
Speaker 1: is the biggest name. They could fight for each other.

598
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,280
Speaker 1: There's no bigger fight you can literally make. Now there's

599
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:46,640
Speaker 1: a couple of ways you can get around it. Bob

600
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:49,960
Speaker 1: was saying, oh, go back to one forty one, go

601
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,440
Speaker 1: fight Josh Taylor in the UK. That would be big, okay,

602
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:55,960
Speaker 1: But is Bud Crawford gonna sign with top rank again?

603
00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:59,200
Speaker 1: He was stone cold no selling Bob to his fucking

604
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,760
Speaker 1: face at the by press conference, being like, if he

605
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 1: couldn't secure me a fight with Spence when I was

606
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:04,920
Speaker 1: with him, what the fuck' is he gonna do on

607
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:08,320
Speaker 1: without him? Number one? Number two? What are you gonna do?

608
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 1: You could go if you're if you were Crawford, he

609
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 1: may have to go to one fifty four Oscar and

610
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 1: maybe fighter Charlow and that's a big fight. But that's

611
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 1: not gonna be bigger then fighting Errol Spence. Dude, when

612
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,600
Speaker 1: has there ever been a time where the biggest fight

613
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,640
Speaker 1: for Crawford to Spence. The biggest fight for Spencer's Crawford

614
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:28,680
Speaker 1: never now is that time?

615
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:32,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, to be honest, the only answer to

616
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,440
Speaker 3: Bob saying, oh he could drop that, just fuck off, Bob.

617
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 3: You don't get to talk about this an you just

618
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:40,280
Speaker 3: shut up. I think you're absolutely right. I think now also,

619
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 3: try to fight is big. I'll grant you that. But

620
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,960
Speaker 3: what I think we're reaching the point now where if

621
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 3: they don't fight, fans are gonna call bullshit. You know,

622
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,800
Speaker 3: they're gonna say, Okay, you guys just starting to take

623
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:53,400
Speaker 3: a piss. You guys are never gonna fight each other.

624
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 3: I think the Manny factor being taken out, it's probably

625
00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:01,400
Speaker 3: more massive than we could realize because he was any

626
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,399
Speaker 3: name like that is just available to play city buggers

627
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 3: and negotiations. Oh well, I don't need to fight you.

628
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:08,400
Speaker 3: I can fight this guy and make loads of money.

629
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 3: And then that turns into an ego game and dick

630
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 3: measuring contest, which boxing loves and no I never wins

631
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 3: in those, you know, really except for Floyd. But so yeah,

632
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:18,400
Speaker 3: I think you're actually right. Hit And then on the head,

633
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,680
Speaker 3: I think this is the time it just makes sense.

634
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:23,640
Speaker 3: I feel like that fights like the one on Saturday.

635
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 3: Put a bit of momentum to the fight we want

636
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 3: to see, right, we haven't just seen these like dull

637
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 3: drubbings of this guy comes in dominates and everyone goes

638
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:34,199
Speaker 3: home feeling a little bit robbed of their money. That

639
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 3: was a great fight. Now's the time to capitalize on

640
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:39,199
Speaker 3: that and get its booked. Get it booked as soon

641
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:42,199
Speaker 3: as possible. Let's not have a really prolonged year of

642
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 3: negotiations in which everyone just cut sort of sees the

643
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 3: headline for the sixth time and goes, oh God, here

644
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 3: we go.

645
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:50,479
Speaker 2: Capitalize on what you've achieved and make the fight as

646
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:51,160
Speaker 2: soon as possible.

647
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:53,919
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean I've saw some people being like, Okay,

648
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:56,640
Speaker 1: here's what happened, Here's what should happen. Crawford he would

649
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 1: sign with PBC, which would be great. Let's have Crawford

650
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 1: ugas first, so then he would have two titles. I

651
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:05,880
Speaker 1: think Spence would have the other two titles, and then

652
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:11,159
Speaker 1: you would get this undisputed meeting, which I grant I

653
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 1: don't like, but just knowing the way boxing works, I

654
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 1: feel might be inevitable, but you could, at a bare minimum,

655
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:21,399
Speaker 1: At a bare minimum, you could not credibly make the

656
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:25,680
Speaker 1: argument that Crawford versus Ugas is in any way bigger

657
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:29,119
Speaker 1: than Crawford versus Spence, which you could argue is that

658
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 1: Crawford versus Ugas, assuming Crawford wins, makes Crawford versus Spence

659
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 1: an already big fight, truly the biggest it could be.

660
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 1: I gotta say, I still don't give a fuck. I

661
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 1: don't I have no interest in Crawford versus Ugas right now. No.

662
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, let's be honest, Hugos could drive a

663
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 3: lot of people to the arena in an Uba and

664
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Speaker 3: they wouldn't realize he was the guy fighting.

665
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 2: That's really mean.

666
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 3: But that's just his popularity is not where it could

667
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:56,879
Speaker 3: be in terms of Spencer Crawlford. I will say that

668
00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 3: fighting for the both guys having two titles to meet

669
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,879
Speaker 3: up for an unispeeded fight in theory sounds to me.

670
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 2: Sounds great.

671
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 3: Okay, all the everything's on the line, perfect unspeeded champion.

672
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:09,120
Speaker 2: I love it.

673
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:12,399
Speaker 3: What will happen is both guys will hold two titsle

674
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:14,680
Speaker 3: and then think, well, I'm not fucking risking these two

675
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,159
Speaker 3: for him, and then they'll fight mandatories, and then the

676
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,119
Speaker 3: whole thing will just be drawn out even longer. Capitalize

677
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,679
Speaker 3: now win the third dart if you want later on

678
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:24,440
Speaker 3: fair enough.

679
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Speaker 1: Last thing on this I mentioned I had two people

680
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 1: I wanted to shout out one with Scott christa beatleft

681
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 1: so they don't want to be Chris Mannix, I thought

682
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 1: made a good point. We kind of talked about it earlier,

683
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 1: just sort of briefly. I wanted to add if you

684
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,399
Speaker 1: add in what Canelo is doing right, just sort of

685
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 1: picking his spots where he can because he has the

686
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 1: leverage to do that. Bud is thirty four. If like

687
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 1: a you mentioned, I think quite rightly there's momento behind this.

688
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 1: Plus he's thirty four, plus he's a free agent. And

689
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 1: then you look at Miguel Coto. As Chris Minnix have

690
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 1: pointed out, Miguel Coda did the same thing at at

691
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 1: a senior stage in his career. He just began to

692
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 1: pick and choose as a free agent where he wanted

693
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 1: to go. It's a great model for the right fighter

694
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 1: at the right time. Bud Crawford either has a claim

695
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 1: to or being near the best power found fighter in

696
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 1: the sport. He just beat his toughest test to date

697
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 1: and he's a free agent. If you're gonna pull that trigger,

698
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 1: I think now's the time. All right before our audience,

699
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 1: by the way, commit's mutiny. Let's transition over to MMA

700
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 1: if we can point number three, Oscar, I'm gonna call

701
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 1: you BC anyway, because fuck you lost it? All right,

702
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 1: Kaitlyn Vieira defeats Misha Tate in the main event of

703
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 1: UFC Vegas forty three. Our co host was there at

704
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 1: the Apex. All right, Oscar, The question is as follows

705
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 1: similar kind of thing. First, how impressive was Kaitlyn Vieira?

706
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 1: How would you rate her performance overall, even though she

707
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 1: got the clear win? And then secondly, is she the

708
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 1: rightful challenger to the winner of Nunez versus Painya.

709
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 2: Well, I'll say you this about her performance.

710
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 3: I felt that while Misha was always in the fight,

711
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 3: and while you could maybe look at that fight and

712
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 3: score the rounds in a certain way to give Misha

713
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 3: some I felt it seemed like Viea's fight pretty much throughout,

714
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 3: you know, the moments from Misha, but Via I felt

715
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 3: won that fight pretty dominantly. Really, she never looked like

716
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 3: she even had to get into third gear. My issue

717
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 3: with the performance is that she never went into the

718
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 3: third gear. You know, Daniel Cormier came under fire for

719
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 3: criticizing her on the commentary, but I actually very much

720
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 3: agreed with him during that I felt that she just

721
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 3: it almost seemed like she was a bit overawed by Misha,

722
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 3: you know, maybe just that this was someone she's looked

723
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 3: up to you for a long time. She mentioned that

724
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 3: after the fight that she was nervous about it, and

725
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 3: I could in one of those moments you could see

726
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 3: that sort of playing out right. She could land punch

727
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 3: as Misha's tap was a bloody mess by the end

728
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 3: of it, and she just.

729
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 2: Never really seemed to hunt her down and go for it.

730
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 3: Personally, I was at the Apex on Saturday and I

731
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 3: wanted to go out and get a drink, and her

732
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 3: dragging this fight into the fifth round was really upsetting

733
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 3: to me because I had other things to do.

734
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 2: But you know, I can't really hold that bias against her.

735
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 2: I just will say I think the performance was good,

736
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 2: little bit.

737
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 3: It wasn't the sort of performance like Izzy versus brunts

738
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 3: and when you go, wow, look at this person, like

739
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 3: what a force they're going to be. I think a

740
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 3: fight like that doesn't necessarily that's not a fight I

741
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:00,960
Speaker 3: think title shot. You know, that's not a performance I

742
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 3: think gets a title shot. Now, the depth of that

743
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 3: division means maybe it could be right. It depends on time.

744
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 3: It depends what the winner of Amanda Paynya. But let's

745
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 3: say that's Amanda. It depends how often she wants to

746
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 3: fight what she's feeding that month, so she could.

747
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 2: Sort of get pushed to a title shot. It just

748
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 2: wasn't the one for me that makes me want to

749
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 2: see it next, you know.

750
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 1: All right in terms of the performance, like, let me

751
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 1: ask this question, because this is always the existential one.

752
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 1: I'm going to respond to something you said. I'm not

753
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 1: even saying you're wrong that she didn't go to third gear.

754
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 1: She kind of was in first second, you know, and

755
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 1: that was really all about it was and it was

756
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,239
Speaker 1: enough to get the win, which kind of says not

757
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 1: great things necessarily about me to Tate, which'll talk about

758
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 1: just a second. But for Kaitlyn Viea, here's the argument.

759
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 1: If she's winning in first and second gear, why does

760
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 1: she need third gear, Especially if by the time you

761
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 1: escalate the gears, you escalate the risk.

762
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 3: I would argue that as we mentioned before, combat sports is, unfortunately,

763
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 3: like it or not, an entertainment base sport. So why

764
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 3: does she need to go into third gear? She doesn't

765
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 3: need to.

766
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 2: If she wants to win, she might need to. She

767
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 2: wants to get a title shot.

768
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 3: That's the difference, Right, she can win and sort of

769
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 3: get through the fight and not put herself a risk

770
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 3: the smart thing to do if this is a sport

771
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 3: based system on meritocracy, If you want to tie.

772
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 2: Some shot, maybe you need a little bit of a

773
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 2: wow factor.

774
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 1: Was she really in contention? I was thinking about this too,

775
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 1: Was she really in contention for a title shot? I mean,

776
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 1: Kunitskaya is ahead of her, and Kunitskaya already beat her,

777
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 1: granted somewhat controversially, but still beat her, And then you

778
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 1: have al Donna ahead of her as well. I think

779
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 1: al Donna beat her as well. It's like beating Tate

780
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 1: was good for beating a name, there's simply no denying.

781
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 1: But I'm not sure what it got her. Like even

782
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 1: if she had finished tape, Let's say this. Let's say

783
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 1: she had finished Tate inside the third right, like, knocked

784
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 1: her down, polished her off boom, would she still leapfrog

785
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 1: the people in front of her who have wins over her.

786
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 1: I guess that's where I'm I'm a little bit skeptical.

787
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 3: I think before people said after the fact, like, Okay,

788
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 3: does she get the title shot now, I'd actually not

789
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 3: even thought about the winner of this fight going for

790
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 3: a title Misha maybe, And let's be honest, if the

791
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 3: UFC wanted to sell more pay per views Misha versus

792
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 3: Amanda too probably still does more than Viera Inns too,

793
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 3: just because of.

794
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 2: The name value.

795
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 3: Right, So you're right in saying that, well, she beat

796
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:23,959
Speaker 3: a great name, and that's a great name to have

797
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 3: on her resume. But for those fights where you find

798
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 3: a name and you want to sort of take some

799
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 3: of that shine with you, you kind of have to do

800
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 3: a little bit more.

801
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 2: We saw with Leon Edwards versus Nate Dias.

802
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 3: I think Leon's the only guy in the last like

803
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 3: five years that, granted there haven't been many who could

804
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 3: fight Nate not come out with a bit of rub

805
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 3: because of what happened in the fifth round. You kind

806
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,719
Speaker 3: of have to really stamp your moment on those fights,

807
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 3: and she just didn't.

808
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 2: So I don't think she should leave on the girl too.

809
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 3: I'll done and knocks her out, and actually I wonder

810
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 3: if her more conservative style has come from that knockout

811
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 3: where she thinks like, oh God, I don't want to

812
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 3: get put to sleep again. Maybe that's part of it,

813
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 3: but yeah, I just don't you know it would it

814
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,719
Speaker 3: would be one of those fights. No disrespect to Megan Aison,

815
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 3: but when she got booked against Amanda, I think most

816
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 3: people sort of had an idea of how that fight

817
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 3: would go, and then it kind of went that way.

818
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 2: Right.

819
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,959
Speaker 3: I feel if we do that with Vieira, it's gonna

820
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 3: be similar, but I just think people are going to

821
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 3: kind of collect and be shrugged.

822
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 1: It interesting. Here's why I read on this. I think

823
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,439
Speaker 1: you're right about the Aldna fight right, because it wasn't

824
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 1: like before that she didn't have decisions. She had many

825
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 1: of them, including some splits, but she had the arm

826
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 1: triangle on Sarah McMahon, and obviously earlier in her career

827
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 1: she had a series of stoppages as well. Since that

828
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 1: lost to al Donna, it's been nothing but decisions, and

829
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 1: it's been up and down. She decisioned you banks, she

830
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 1: lost one to kunitz Sky, which I thought was pretty close,

831
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 1: but still she lost and then she had this one

832
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 1: which was not very close, but in the end, you know,

833
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,400
Speaker 1: there wasn't like a huge gap between them either. That

834
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:48,959
Speaker 1: might have informed her judgment. I also feel like, correct

835
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong. I believe this is the first

836
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 1: time she's ever been in a main event, and so

837
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:54,880
Speaker 1: I tend to think that like she was playing a

838
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 1: game of I don't want to ruin everything I've gotten

839
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 1: to get to this point, and so so you know,

840
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 1: the argument to me like was she's somewhat conservative, I

841
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 1: think is true. But for me, I'm not nearly as

842
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 1: harsh on her about it as the commentary or perhaps

843
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 1: some other folks, just because I feel like, even if

844
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:14,879
Speaker 1: you got this win, now, granted I'm with you, if

845
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 1: she had gotten some kind of dramatic win, hard to

846
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:19,320
Speaker 1: know exactly what would have happened. Maybe she could have

847
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 1: rocketed to the top. It's certainly possible, right, But even

848
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 1: with a win, I still feel like she knows and

849
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 1: the UFC knows, it's not gonna be enough to get

850
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 1: it done, especially with Aldno having the win and being

851
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 1: ahead of her. They want to develop that Mexican market

852
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 1: if at all possible. Al Dona has been as staple

853
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 1: of that for some time, they probably would have gone

854
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 1: in another direction. So she had was a this was

855
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:44,280
Speaker 1: an super important win, but not the not the one

856
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,799
Speaker 1: where she's on the precipice of something truly special. And

857
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 1: so for those reasons, I don't I don't hate the calculus, Like,

858
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 1: for example, I hated the calculus that Saint Pierre made

859
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 1: it in a fight with Dan Hardy, when he would

860
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 1: constantly get the takedown, he went for a couple of

861
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 1: very very deep submissions, but he was acting like at

862
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 1: that time Hardy's guard threat was so enormous. He could

863
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:05,799
Speaker 1: only keep him chest to chest and you know, had

864
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 1: difficulty really raining down ground pound. To me, that was

865
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 1: not a reasonable call in terms of assessing risk. But

866
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 1: also he was like, you know, burned out to that point,

867
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 1: and Dan Hardy was obviously a very very tough challenge.

868
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:20,840
Speaker 1: What I'm saying is, as long as they're careful relative

869
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 1: to what they're up against, I don't mind it. It's

870
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:28,759
Speaker 1: when there's they're careful and the situation doesn't necessarily call

871
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:32,240
Speaker 1: for it. In this case, first time main event, former champion,

872
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 1: you're coming off of a loss. I don't know, man,

873
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 1: maybe being conservative is not the worst call in the world.

874
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 3: It's fair to say, and there is an argument, and

875
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 3: I'm more open to hearing it after what you just said.

876
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 3: But I do think that, Okay, it's a former champion,

877
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 3: it's a former champion who has.

878
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:48,800
Speaker 2: Retired for a while until very recently.

879
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:50,720
Speaker 3: You know, if you're going to fight a former champion

880
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,400
Speaker 3: in a main event, that's a pretty nice position to

881
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:55,879
Speaker 3: get put in, especially since you know, I wouldn't say

882
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 3: you have a lot of name value amongst the fans.

883
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:01,800
Speaker 2: That's a pretty pretty big opportunity for yourself.

884
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 3: So Okay, yes, it's risk versus reward, but I would

885
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:07,400
Speaker 3: argue that the risk she was facing in that fight

886
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 3: was outweighed by the reward she could have got if

887
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 3: she'd have got the knockout.

888
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 2: And as well, you mentioned about Ardana and the Mexican

889
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 2: territory they want to build.

890
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 3: I also think, knowing Dana White, they are gonna want

891
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 3: to try and do an international event soon, just as

892
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 3: some sort of like flag pole like, oh look, we

893
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 3: got to go and do an international event. I told you,

894
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 3: motherfuckers have I rad and I feel like time. I

895
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 3: don't know about the situation of COVID but timing is everything.

896
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 3: I reckon they would like to see maybe just to

897
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 3: feel the waters about if they could even go to

898
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 3: Brazil maybe sometime later and next year, if they did.

899
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 2: Brazil versus Brazil in the main event.

900
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 3: I think that's an opportunity right there that could have

901
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 3: happened if she'd got to finish.

902
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 2: Now I don't think so.

903
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 1: Let me ask a serious question, because for folks who

904
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 1: may don't know, how many times have you been to

905
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 1: Fight Island?

906
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:54,359
Speaker 2: Every time? Every time?

907
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 1: Every time? Jesus, that is.

908
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 2: Five weeks, five weeks in our hotel, Baby.

909
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 1: Jesus, you're single, right, you must.

910
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 2: Be, Yeah, slinging dick like a champion.

911
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this serious question. With all people

912
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 1: can like the rules, they can hate the rules, but

913
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 1: they are what they are. Can the UFC do an

914
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 1: international event with the with all the vaccination requirements outside

915
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:24,360
Speaker 1: of Fight Island? Seriously?

916
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 2: I think they can. I think they'll try and do London.

917
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 1: I think they will London.

918
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:33,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I think again, there's so much COVID news

919
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 3: these days. It's kind of like just just flies past

920
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:38,360
Speaker 3: my face. I don't even know what's the current news.

921
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 2: But I believe that in England, they were looking.

922
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 3: At maybe instead of it being you could be vaccinated

923
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 3: and then your quarantine retirements unless but if you're not vaccinated,

924
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 3: as long as you show like multiple negative tests, I

925
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:49,800
Speaker 3: think you can.

926
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 2: Still go in.

927
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 3: So I think they could try and do London, especially

928
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 3: they have like a roster that they can fill out

929
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 3: that card internationally, right, so I think they can.

930
00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 2: I think it can. It depends. I think, like Canada

931
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:00,800
Speaker 2: just made it, you have to be vaccinated.

932
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 3: So I think you're more likely to pull off an

933
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 3: international event in England right now than you're in Canada.

934
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,320
Speaker 1: Are the rules within I realized that the UK is

935
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 1: no longer in the EU, But still is it easier?

936
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, is it easier to get

937
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:15,439
Speaker 1: to the UK just in terms of the rules from

938
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 1: the United States or from other countries in Europe, like

939
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 1: from France and Spain and German different standard?

940
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 2: I believe.

941
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 3: I believe it's a little bit easier in terms of

942
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 3: the testing requirements once you get there.

943
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 2: Right, So, when I fly.

944
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 3: Home for Christmas, I have to take a test even

945
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 3: though I'm vaccinated, take a test before I fly, and

946
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 3: then I ask quarantine for two days over there and

947
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 3: then take another test. I believe if you're traveling into Europe,

948
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 3: despite the fact we decided to leave them behind and

949
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 3: tell them to fuck off, I think you don't have

950
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 3: to do that second test once you arrive. So I

951
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 3: believe if they were sending fighters there. I could be

952
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 3: completely wrong with this, So don't creacify me if I am.

953
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 3: But I believe they could send fighters there without having

954
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 3: to put them in a hotel room for days.

955
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 1: Fair enough, All right, let's talk about me shtate. Let's

956
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:04,400
Speaker 1: get back to the story at hand. So she fell

957
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 1: short here in her endeavors. Now, the scores were one

958
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 1: forty nine forty six and then two forty eight forty

959
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 1: sevens of memory serves, I don't have the notes in

960
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 1: front of me here for that, but I believe that's correct,

961
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 1: which means she won a couple of rounds right by

962
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 1: two judges thought she won a couple. She at least

963
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 1: won one on all the judges' scarcards. How do you

964
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 1: assess where she's at? She made a coaching switch. I'm

965
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 1: not sure what benefit was conferred from it. I'm not

966
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 1: saying there isn't one, but it's just hard to detect

967
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 1: what it was, and she is I think with thirty

968
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 1: four now or so I'll double check that as well.

969
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:39,360
Speaker 1: Like in terms of getting back to the title inside

970
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 1: that top five space, obviously this was a setback. I

971
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 1: guess my question for you is how much of one.

972
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 3: I think the shallowness of that division will always keep

973
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 3: her near the top. Just before her and Holly Home,

974
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,319
Speaker 3: I feel, I always feel they're never more than two

975
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 3: wins away from a title shot, really just because of

976
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:57,239
Speaker 3: the name Valie They've got over the years. So it

977
00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 3: probably isn't the biggest setback, you know, we were just

978
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 3: talking about risk versus ward. It would have been a

979
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 3: bigger setback for Vieira if she'd lost right than it

980
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:07,800
Speaker 3: has been for Take In terms of the performance, Misha

981
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 3: Takes showed she was tough, durable, and never willing to

982
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 3: quit in a fight. But we kind of knew that already, right.

983
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:16,319
Speaker 3: Everyone points to her Holy Home winn as like her

984
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 3: defining moment, and so we knew that about her anyway.

985
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:21,399
Speaker 3: So I don't really feel like we saw much other

986
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 3: than you know, this sport evolved very very quickly even

987
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 3: to this day, and athletes taking a prolonged like years

988
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 3: long absence. It's very, very hard to overcome the differences

989
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 3: that have happened in that sport since you've been away.

990
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:39,359
Speaker 3: And she and I really like Misha, so I don't

991
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 3: mean this disrespectively, but she comes from a time where

992
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 3: she was at the top as a division was sort

993
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 3: of forming. Right, the skill sets back then much has

994
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 3: made Runda's like ability to have one sort of real

995
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 3: ability to win fights.

996
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,720
Speaker 2: The skill sets back then amongst that division.

997
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 3: Were a little bit more limited and a little bit

998
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 3: more specialist, and she was always in that sort of vein.

999
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 3: I wonder now if the sport has got to a

1000
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 3: point where she'll ever really be able to sort of

1001
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 3: evolve and adapt to get any skills that are required

1002
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 3: to get to the wins that you'll need.

1003
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 1: See, here's where I'm at on this one man, And

1004
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 1: I think it's like good news and it's bad news. Right,

1005
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:13,839
Speaker 1: here's the good news. If you go back and you watch,

1006
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 1: I'm glad you referenced it. I would also argue, even

1007
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 1: though she lost this fight Misha Tate versus that version

1008
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 1: of Katz and Gano, that was a hell of a

1009
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,400
Speaker 1: scrap and Kat's and Ghano put a beating on her

1010
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 1: and Tate never I mean, she lost, but she never

1011
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 1: backed down like she was in that one to win it.

1012
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:30,840
Speaker 1: But you're right about the Holly Holme performance. She was

1013
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 1: at the end of her punches for four and a

1014
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 1: half rounds just until she wasn't. And the reason why

1015
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:37,840
Speaker 1: she got the win, if you go back and you

1016
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 1: look at it, she was able to duck under I

1017
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:41,800
Speaker 1: think it was the cross of Holly Holm, so it

1018
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:43,399
Speaker 1: would have been the right hand. She had to wait

1019
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:47,840
Speaker 1: until the backhanded punch was moving forward at her for

1020
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 1: her to get underneath. And that's why it took her

1021
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 1: so long to win, because you had a very judicious

1022
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: Holly Holme who knew how to has great lateral movement,

1023
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 1: is kind of on her feet all the time. She

1024
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 1: was taking down previously in that contest, but you know

1025
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 1: she was keeping me to take the end of her

1026
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 1: punches me. She had to wait for just the narrowest

1027
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 1: of windows to find something and she did. Credit to

1028
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 1: her because she was a championship level fighter at that time. Hear,

1029
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:13,360
Speaker 1: what I noticed was she found a lot more opportunities

1030
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 1: to strike she wasn't. That was obviously she was looking

1031
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:17,320
Speaker 1: for the take down there. But what I mean to

1032
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 1: say was she had a lot more clever entries, a

1033
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 1: lot more understanding of position. There were a couple of

1034
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 1: fans later on in the fight that we're doing some

1035
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 1: good work, not so much early on. So what I'm

1036
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 1: start trying to say is, like, clearly, even with that

1037
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 1: time off, if you want to reflect on what kind

1038
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:34,800
Speaker 1: of fighter she was as a striker in the Holly

1039
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:37,840
Speaker 1: Holme fight versus the Kaitlyn Vieira fight, she's much better.

1040
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 1: She's much better than she was. There's no denying that.

1041
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:43,359
Speaker 1: But let me correct the record here. Number one, she's

1042
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 1: thirty five, not thirty four. Thirty five is not young.

1043
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 1: I grant, with her name in the division, there's still

1044
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 1: obviously a lot for her to do there. But I

1045
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:53,280
Speaker 1: guess the point I'm trying to make here is, Oscar

1046
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 1: I can grant that she got better as a striker

1047
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:59,839
Speaker 1: since that time. How much is certainly debatable. Wasn't enough

1048
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 1: on Saturday, but she got better. The problem is the

1049
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:07,240
Speaker 1: division also got better, and it looks like it has

1050
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 1: either maintained or kept the striking lead on her the

1051
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 1: entire time.

1052
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a tough one as well, right, because what

1053
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 3: we're talking about.

1054
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 2: Here is can me she get a title shot? I'm

1055
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 2: sure me she doesn't want a title shot.

1056
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 3: She wants a title But the problem is, as with

1057
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 3: the one twenty five pounds division, the champion is so dominant.

1058
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 3: So you could argue that, Okay, her striking has evolved,

1059
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 3: which I grant do I think it has too, But

1060
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:35,320
Speaker 3: even if her striking was still sort of acceptable amongst

1061
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 3: her peers, amanda striking is just so far advanced that

1062
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:40,839
Speaker 3: you can think, like, well, it's the victory.

1063
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:42,360
Speaker 2: Of her getting a title shot, because surely.

1064
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,720
Speaker 3: She wants the championship, right, she wants a chance at redemption,

1065
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 3: She wants to get that back. But I think both

1066
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 3: you and I are talking as if, like the title

1067
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 3: shot is the goal, because we both know.

1068
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:52,919
Speaker 2: Realistically that fight is likely going to go one way.

1069
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 3: But then then it becomes a sort of thing like, well,

1070
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 3: if the title SHOT's the goal and not the championship itself, why.

1071
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 2: Even come back out of retirement. She obviously enjoying it.

1072
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 3: She wants to sort of, you know, have an experience

1073
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 3: without her previous relationship and stuff. But we're sort of

1074
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:11,760
Speaker 3: almost limiting her goals already based on what we saw

1075
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:13,800
Speaker 3: of her skills and sassinay.

1076
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think she did get the one takedown,

1077
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 1: but she couldn't do a whole lot with it, so

1078
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 1: I was I was glad to see she chased it down.

1079
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I said this on my post fight reaction immediately.

1080
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:26,800
Speaker 1: It's like, did you see in either case? In either case,

1081
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:28,799
Speaker 1: did you see a fighter who was going to beat

1082
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,839
Speaker 1: Amanda Nunas And that's not exactly fair because you know,

1083
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 1: Kaitlyn Vieira was fighting in a way. I don't think

1084
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 1: she would ever fight Amanda Nunaz. I think she would

1085
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 1: either try to get the takedown or probably just get

1086
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 1: knocked out along the way. Versus this one, she was

1087
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 1: happy to work behind her striking. But that's sort of

1088
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 1: what I mean when you were talking about the stakes earlier.

1089
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 1: It's like, dude, like, no matter who won here, you

1090
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 1: were never going to be like, there's the person. There's

1091
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 1: no Hamsat shamaiav at Women's band someway, you know what

1092
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 1: I mean. There's no boogeyman there storming through the ranks

1093
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 1: along the way. So I guess we'll see. Last thing

1094
00:45:57,520 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 1: I'll ask you about this was the coaching change.

1095
00:45:59,000 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 2: Again.

1096
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 1: It's I think her first time with this new coach

1097
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 1: for the fight, so any kind of improvement might take

1098
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 1: some time. What did you make of it? I didn't,

1099
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't. I didn't see like an obvious upgrade,

1100
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:11,399
Speaker 1: but maybe that takes time.

1101
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't see a obvious upgrade.

1102
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:18,240
Speaker 3: I was a little bit surprised, right because so usually

1103
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:20,799
Speaker 3: she was with Eric Nixic right from extreme cautor, and

1104
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 3: I would argue he's one of the best coaches in

1105
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:23,400
Speaker 3: the game right now.

1106
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:25,360
Speaker 2: Obviously, I don't know their personal situation.

1107
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:26,840
Speaker 3: Maybe they had are falling out. I don't know, but

1108
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 3: I was surprised to see that change. I didn't see,

1109
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:32,839
Speaker 3: not to sort of limit the answer, but I didn't

1110
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 3: really see any evidence.

1111
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 2: Of pro war negative. You know.

1112
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 3: He seemed to give solid corner advice, but nothing that

1113
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 3: I thought was ever missing from her before. Curious change,

1114
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:44,359
Speaker 3: probably one that she wanted to make personally. But yeah,

1115
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 3: I didn't see any benefits.

1116
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:47,359
Speaker 2: But I didn't really see any takeaways either.

1117
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 1: All right, let's move to topic number four if we can.

1118
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:53,360
Speaker 1: Let's talk about the co made event. Sean Brady gets

1119
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 1: a win over Michael Kiosa. He gets it via unanimous

1120
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 1: decision twenty nine to twenty eight across the board, but

1121
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 1: it got Dicey a lot the way. He had two

1122
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:03,759
Speaker 1: ipokes he had to suffer from Sean Brady did in

1123
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:06,319
Speaker 1: the first round. Then he got his nose clipped. It

1124
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:09,799
Speaker 1: looked like him broken along the way, but he still

1125
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 1: was able to get back control and two of the

1126
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 1: three rounds. Here's my question for you. We'll talk about

1127
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:17,400
Speaker 1: Michael Kiss in just a second, but first Sean Brady.

1128
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 1: This was his big sort of debut, right, not a

1129
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 1: UFC debut, but here he was fighting a name top

1130
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 1: ranked opponent. By the way, I think, if I remember

1131
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:28,240
Speaker 1: this correctly, Kisa was ranked somewhere like fifth or sixth

1132
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:32,240
Speaker 1: in the division, Brady ranked fourteenth. Talk about a huge

1133
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:35,440
Speaker 1: leaping might make tell me about the good and the

1134
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 1: bad you saw from Sean Brady.

1135
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 2: So I thought it was.

1136
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 3: There are certain guys who if you fight, Kias is

1137
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 3: one of them. I think Neil Magne is probably one

1138
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:46,719
Speaker 3: of them, where even if you win, it doesn't mean

1139
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 3: you're gonna look very good while doing it. Just their

1140
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 3: styles tend to lead towards grueling fights that you need

1141
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 3: to really grit through and get a decision now for

1142
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 3: a young guy like Sean Brady, and you mentioned it

1143
00:47:56,160 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 3: was sixteen to fourteen to six. I believe the jumps

1144
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 3: he mentioned post fight, he felt the nerves. He admitted

1145
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:05,959
Speaker 3: that the media attention on this fight was much more.

1146
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 3: He noticed he was looking into the rankings and thinking, no,

1147
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 3: this is a big jump, you know, sort of having

1148
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 3: that imposter syndrome. So from that, just getting the win

1149
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:17,240
Speaker 3: in any shape or form is very good and something

1150
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 3: that he should feel very happy with.

1151
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 2: The bad. There was some talk before.

1152
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 3: This fight of oh, why is this the co main

1153
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 3: event not the main event? I would argue if that

1154
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 3: was a five round fight, we'd be talking about a

1155
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 3: different winner. Even towards the end, I felt Kias was

1156
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 3: coming on stronger and Shan was starting to tire.

1157
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:34,720
Speaker 2: You know, listen, he's young, he's learning.

1158
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:37,920
Speaker 3: But I felt the fight was it was in the

1159
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:41,240
Speaker 3: balance at the very least right, so very important victory

1160
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:41,759
Speaker 3: for him one.

1161
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 2: I think he'll take.

1162
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 3: A lot of lessons from and learn from, and a

1163
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 3: win over Kias is a very very big deal to

1164
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 3: a guy at this stage of his career. I'm curious, however,

1165
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 3: if they then whip him up the rankings. He's going

1166
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 3: to be fighting very tough guys in that division whose

1167
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:58,959
Speaker 3: styles might not help him out as much in terms

1168
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 3: of how he can match up again them. I'm reminded

1169
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 3: of her, and perhaps not to the same degree, right,

1170
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 3: but I'm reminded of went down.

1171
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 2: Till thought it well to wait.

1172
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:08,439
Speaker 3: Right, they threw him up the rankings to a point

1173
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 3: where he probably wasn't ready.

1174
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 2: To fight those guys at the time he was. Five

1175
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:12,400
Speaker 2: of them still need to improve.

1176
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 3: I wonder if they might sort of match Brady up

1177
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 3: with someone who won't get him to win.

1178
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 2: You know, they will be a step too far too soon.

1179
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:24,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm worried about that as well. So for me,

1180
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 1: here was the good. I was shocked at how well

1181
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 1: he could handle himself on the floor with Michael Kissa.

1182
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:32,879
Speaker 1: Like I knew he was good. Don't get me wrong,

1183
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 1: I thought, here's what I thought ahead of time. I

1184
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:37,040
Speaker 1: thought I was so fucking wrong about this. Like I

1185
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 1: knew Brady could win. I've been high on Trumbrady for

1186
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:41,880
Speaker 1: a long time, but I thought what would happened was

1187
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:44,360
Speaker 1: it would be a really close battle on the ground,

1188
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 1: and like you know, whoever just kind of edged it

1189
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:49,760
Speaker 1: late would get it. That was wrong because Sean Brady

1190
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 1: was like way better on the ground than Michael Kiessa,

1191
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:54,839
Speaker 1: which was shocking to me because Kissa was bigger. He's

1192
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 1: fucking huge, dude. How he ever made one fifty five

1193
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 1: is I do not know right, So that was shocking.

1194
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 1: Here was the other part that was shocking. They were

1195
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 1: South Paul versus Orthodox and like Bud Crawford against Sean Porter.

1196
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 1: Obviously at a lower level. You had Michael Giessa shutting

1197
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:13,840
Speaker 1: down the jab from his right handed stance, just constantly

1198
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 1: hand fighting the front lead hand of Sean Brady. Sean

1199
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:18,400
Speaker 1: Brady couldn't get a striking going, and as a consequence,

1200
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 1: it was actually Michael Kiessa who, even against Neil Magni,

1201
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:24,880
Speaker 1: had very like what do you want to say, just

1202
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:27,759
Speaker 1: the right kind of striking to facilitate wrestling and not

1203
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:30,359
Speaker 1: gett knocked out right, But against Sean Brady he kind

1204
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 1: of opened up and he was landing on him. I

1205
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:34,879
Speaker 1: couldn't believe it. So the bad for me was Sean

1206
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:38,240
Speaker 1: Brady against like Court McGee. You go back and watch

1207
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 1: towards the end of that fight. He had a little

1208
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 1: bit an issue too. So there's one issue where Brady

1209
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 1: has kind of faded in third rounds a little bit

1210
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 1: something to watch for the other part was I do

1211
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:48,920
Speaker 1: think he's a good striker and overall maybe maybe a

1212
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:50,919
Speaker 1: better one than Kissa. But the way that kisso matched

1213
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 1: it up and shut down that jab dude. Like, on

1214
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 1: the one hand, Kisa lost this fight, that's two in

1215
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:57,759
Speaker 1: a row. On the other hand, is striking appears to

1216
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 1: be way better than I thought it was. So that's

1217
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:02,760
Speaker 1: how I size these two. Well, what about Michael Kiossa

1218
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:03,759
Speaker 1: for you good and bad?

1219
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:06,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you actually hit the nail the head.

1220
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:08,359
Speaker 3: This is going to be a loss that I don't

1221
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:10,719
Speaker 3: think he should be too disheartened by. You know, he

1222
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:14,359
Speaker 3: kiss for me has always been kind of a bit

1223
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:15,399
Speaker 3: of a one dimensional fighter.

1224
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 2: You net hit a nail the head.

1225
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:21,400
Speaker 3: Striking good enough to facilitate the grinding sort of wrestling abilities.

1226
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 2: This fight, I thought he looked great, and he looks aggressive.

1227
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 3: He looked actually wanted to finish, very very strong with

1228
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:29,440
Speaker 3: the striking. That's not something you usually see out of him.

1229
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:32,920
Speaker 3: I think anytime you can see an evolution of a fighter,

1230
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:33,880
Speaker 3: it's a positive.

1231
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:34,880
Speaker 2: Even if they lost.

1232
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:38,279
Speaker 3: I think he should Sean Brady might be very, very good.

1233
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:39,360
Speaker 2: You know. I do think he's.

1234
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 3: Got some things to work on, but he looks like

1235
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 3: a real prospect, so you know, maybe in a few

1236
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 3: years time.

1237
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 2: Of course, kios are lost to him. Why wouldn't he.

1238
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:49,239
Speaker 3: Sean Brady is a matterfucker, you know, But I don't

1239
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 3: think his should be too disheartened, even if it is

1240
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:53,439
Speaker 3: two in a row. You know, I think he'll drop

1241
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:55,200
Speaker 3: down the rankings, He'll probably have to fight.

1242
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:55,920
Speaker 2: His way back up.

1243
00:51:56,560 --> 00:52:00,840
Speaker 3: But I see technical abilities in him on his feet,

1244
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:04,280
Speaker 3: where I think that's that's for someone who's never shown

1245
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:06,359
Speaker 3: anything like that, to be able to carry a jab,

1246
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 3: to be able to work on the feet and feel

1247
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 3: confident in He seemed comfortable on the feet, right, That's

1248
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:12,480
Speaker 3: something I don't think I've ever really seen from him

1249
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:14,239
Speaker 3: where he's just like, yep, we'll stand the bank. I

1250
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:16,879
Speaker 3: felt like he seemed comfortable on the feet. That's good

1251
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:20,320
Speaker 3: for him, So I think he should a last But positives.

1252
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 1: In it, no doubt about it. And to your point,

1253
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 1: like it's they were I think you were there for

1254
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 1: the post fight press or they were asking Sean Brady

1255
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 1: who he might want next, and he was like, oh,

1256
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:31,560
Speaker 1: the winner of wonder Boy versus belall Man. Talk about

1257
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:33,959
Speaker 1: out of the frying pan and into the fire. Again,

1258
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 1: maybe he wins those fights. I'm not here to say

1259
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:38,800
Speaker 1: that he can or that he won't. Jesus Christ, do

1260
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:43,279
Speaker 1: that's that is That's a that's a tall order for

1261
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:44,239
Speaker 1: Sean Brady, is it not.

1262
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, that's one of the things right where at bantamweight,

1263
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:50,879
Speaker 3: for example, I would argue that anyone in the top

1264
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:53,279
Speaker 3: twenty five against anyone else in the top twenty five

1265
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 3: to certain degrees, but basically any match up a crazy

1266
00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:59,839
Speaker 3: match ups. That division is so deep, so even if

1267
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 3: you're fighting your way up the rankings, you're fighting against.

1268
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:04,279
Speaker 2: Very good guys, so you're learning on the job. A

1269
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 2: little bit quicker.

1270
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:07,799
Speaker 3: Welterweight is a bit more top heavy, right, So he's

1271
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 3: just got to win over a very very good guy.

1272
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 3: And now the only like, you know, I don't know

1273
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 3: anyone who wants to fight Stephen wonder Boy Thompson. You know,

1274
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:16,719
Speaker 3: his style is so awkward and stuff like that, And

1275
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 3: I think maybe Brady thinks there's a wrestling advantage there,

1276
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:22,239
Speaker 3: which of course there is. But yeah, like you said,

1277
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:24,920
Speaker 3: Fryan pan into the fire, I think they've got to

1278
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:26,880
Speaker 3: be very careful with him because he's a great prospect.

1279
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 3: And I don't like I saw people calling like DC

1280
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:31,279
Speaker 3: was desperate for him to call out a name, like

1281
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 3: he was going to call that hams At.

1282
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:34,680
Speaker 2: I don't think we should do that fight for a while.

1283
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 2: You know, let's let's leave that alone.

1284
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 3: So I think he just just be careful, learn lessons

1285
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 3: that others haven't managed the career to a little bit better.

1286
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 3: Just take do the Tom Aspinal route, take your time,

1287
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:48,799
Speaker 3: work your way up, find your skills as you progress.

1288
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:51,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like the aspinall comparison. If I'm Sean Brady,

1289
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:54,719
Speaker 1: I'm taking some fights against guys ranked eight, nine and ten,

1290
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:57,719
Speaker 1: not you know, five, six and seven, because as good

1291
00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 1: as he was, you know, if a guy like Michael

1292
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 1: Kiessa who hasn't shown a ton of ability again and

1293
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:04,320
Speaker 1: I give it to him here he did but previously

1294
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:06,479
Speaker 1: had not. If he's shutting down your jab and getting

1295
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 1: the best of you, and in the court McGee fight,

1296
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 1: and in this fight, third round was a little bit again.

1297
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:13,719
Speaker 1: First two rounds he looked phenomenal, but the third round

1298
00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 1: of both of those fights he had some I don't

1299
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 1: know if there were gas tank issues or what, but

1300
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:20,120
Speaker 1: they were not strong rounds for him, and that is

1301
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:22,239
Speaker 1: gonna be something. As you entered the top five, top

1302
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 1: six to seven space, you know they're gonna be absolutely

1303
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:29,399
Speaker 1: unforgiving at that level. There's gonna be no Mulligan there,

1304
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:31,359
Speaker 1: So we'll have to see how it goes. All right,

1305
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 1: last topic, but certainly not least Oscar. You were there

1306
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:37,960
Speaker 1: in attendance. Who stood out to you in the weekend

1307
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:41,840
Speaker 1: of MMA Action who we have not yet discussed.

1308
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:44,279
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, I know you.

1309
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:45,719
Speaker 3: Wanted to talk about him, but I didn't want to

1310
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 3: give him a shout out. Adrianianis and the the Dave

1311
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 3: Grant fight I was the fight of the night right.

1312
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:50,760
Speaker 2: I mean, they.

1313
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:53,480
Speaker 3: Didn't have a lot of competition, but I did think

1314
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:55,360
Speaker 3: it was. It was pretty good, you know. I thought

1315
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:58,520
Speaker 3: that again, man, that division's just great. But the other

1316
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 3: one I wanted to talk about was Toddy Santo's against Jojo.

1317
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 3: Would not called a wood anymore trying, would You know.

1318
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:07,800
Speaker 3: Things seem to have just not been clicking for Jojo

1319
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:11,239
Speaker 3: for a while, So in that respect, you know, I

1320
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:12,799
Speaker 3: really like her, so I don't want to like shit

1321
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:15,560
Speaker 3: on her, but I think when she loses. I'm not like,

1322
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:17,719
Speaker 3: I can't believe she just lost. You know, she she

1323
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:20,440
Speaker 3: can she can find a way to lose sometimes. But

1324
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:22,759
Speaker 3: for Santa, I mean, what a performance, right, She came

1325
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:26,880
Speaker 3: out on a card where there's like zero finishes. To

1326
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 3: just get a finish means you stand out, right, So

1327
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:31,440
Speaker 3: just to stand out that's the thing that matters to me,

1328
00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:31,920
Speaker 3: you know.

1329
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:34,920
Speaker 2: And so it's it's tough.

1330
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:36,719
Speaker 3: Right because I wouldn't say the card was something that

1331
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:38,719
Speaker 3: we're going to go and tell our grandchildren about other

1332
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:39,920
Speaker 3: than maybe to say, don't.

1333
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:41,120
Speaker 2: Ever watch that one or I'll hit you.

1334
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:43,640
Speaker 3: But you know, I think it was something that we

1335
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 3: can That one, to me was the one that sort

1336
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:46,319
Speaker 3: of stood out most.

1337
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:50,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, Tyler Santos is a fucking hammer. She's a hammer.

1338
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:53,160
Speaker 1: She looks like she's in great shape. Number one, and

1339
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 1: then number two, she kept finding a home for that

1340
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:57,400
Speaker 1: right hand. Through the course of that fight. She was

1341
00:55:57,400 --> 00:55:59,880
Speaker 1: going high, she was going low. And then once she

1342
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:04,200
Speaker 1: had wood rocked, it was you could see her. She

1343
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:06,960
Speaker 1: was on her like white on rice the devastating finish

1344
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:10,440
Speaker 1: and then interestingly started to choke over the jaw and

1345
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:13,919
Speaker 1: then sinsed it under the neck. At the final pull

1346
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:16,560
Speaker 1: of it, she definitely looked like a contender to pay

1347
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:21,120
Speaker 1: attention to. With Calderwood, I don't know what to say exactly.

1348
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 1: I don't know where she is at in her career. Obviously,

1349
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:24,640
Speaker 1: she just got married and changed her name and everything,

1350
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:26,319
Speaker 1: So that's great from the personal side of things. John

1351
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:30,399
Speaker 1: what a great coach over at Syndicate. But I don't

1352
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:33,040
Speaker 1: know if that title SHOT's ever gonna happen for her.

1353
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:36,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny because I feel like there's certain people

1354
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:38,759
Speaker 3: on the roster who they want to give a title

1355
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 3: shot too.

1356
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:41,400
Speaker 2: For whatever reason, they have it in the head they

1357
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:42,319
Speaker 2: want to give a title shot too.

1358
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:44,399
Speaker 3: I feel like she's one of those girls where she's

1359
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 3: got a bit of a name, she's got a bit

1360
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 3: of a fan following, so why not let's get her

1361
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:49,400
Speaker 3: in a title shot against the dominant champion.

1362
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:50,760
Speaker 2: We don't have anyone else.

1363
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:52,960
Speaker 3: And I feel like they've always sort of been waiting

1364
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:55,359
Speaker 3: to give her that opportunity, and for whatever reason, usually

1365
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 3: because she she kind of loses that last fight, it's

1366
00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:00,640
Speaker 3: never really happened for her, and this point you kind

1367
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:02,600
Speaker 3: of wonder, you know, you just got.

1368
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:05,520
Speaker 2: Beat by now the contend a pretty pretty one sided affair.

1369
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:07,200
Speaker 3: And in fact, if we look at this fight and

1370
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:09,719
Speaker 3: how Santas perform versus the main event, I think we

1371
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:12,040
Speaker 3: see the difference into between like, Okay, you're now a

1372
00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:14,520
Speaker 3: title contender we can discuss and here we can't discuss.

1373
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:14,799
Speaker 1: Right.

1374
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:16,920
Speaker 2: But yeah, as far as her.

1375
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:19,640
Speaker 3: Career personally, he seems to be thriving, seems to be

1376
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:22,760
Speaker 3: loving life. Something's missing on the fight side. I don't

1377
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 3: think she needs to change coaches. I think Seek it's

1378
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:28,120
Speaker 3: a great team. I think her coach is great. But yeah, man,

1379
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 3: maybe she just found he scenic, Maybe she found her level.

1380
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:33,920
Speaker 1: You know, it's certainly possible women's flyweight. Finally, I don't

1381
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 1: know if Santos is the person to beat Valentina Chevchenko,

1382
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:40,800
Speaker 1: but she at least looks like an interesting, in shape,

1383
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:43,560
Speaker 1: sturdy contender. We'll see what she can do to rise

1384
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 1: up the ranks. I'm gonna go, by the way. Shouts

1385
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 1: to Hana ya ya. I tweeted this on Saturday night.

1386
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:50,960
Speaker 1: You know, everyone's like, jiu jitsu ain't shit in MMA,

1387
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 1: and I'm like, okay, well, it's influence has been it

1388
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:56,080
Speaker 1: is certainly waned the relatives that it started, but did

1389
00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:58,600
Speaker 1: you get guys like Hana Yaya and Demi and Maya

1390
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:03,720
Speaker 1: who for basically almost decades, you know, Like Honey Yaya

1391
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:07,080
Speaker 1: made his w that is MMA, his we C debut

1392
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:10,080
Speaker 1: in two thousand and seven, So in the aughts he

1393
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 1: was fighting. In the twenty tens, he was fighting. Here

1394
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:14,720
Speaker 1: we are in the twenty twenties. This motherfucker is still

1395
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:18,120
Speaker 1: fighting and beating UFC level fighters. Now, he's not close

1396
00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:20,640
Speaker 1: to a title shot or anything like that, and he's

1397
00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:23,240
Speaker 1: never gonna be. But dude, for all the talk about

1398
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:26,360
Speaker 1: oh jiu jitsu and shit in MMA, fucking Yaya who

1399
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:29,080
Speaker 1: granted his special Maya very special. Both those guys are

1400
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:32,800
Speaker 1: very special. They're still competing and winning on more or

1401
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:36,320
Speaker 1: less jiu jitsu alone, So for them, maybe jiu jitsu

1402
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 1: is pretty important.

1403
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:39,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Cook said, you know, you mentioned he's

1404
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 3: not close to title shot, but that doesn't A title

1405
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:44,920
Speaker 3: shot is not a bust or like Eve again it

1406
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 3: or it's a bust for a career. So I think

1407
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:49,120
Speaker 3: to even fight for that period of time in a

1408
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:53,400
Speaker 3: sport that is relentless about giving people losses, to even

1409
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:56,120
Speaker 3: be still around, still be fighting UC caliber fighters and

1410
00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:57,040
Speaker 3: still winning fights.

1411
00:58:57,240 --> 00:58:59,440
Speaker 2: That is a great career in fighting. That is a

1412
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:00,640
Speaker 2: living off fighting.

1413
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:03,120
Speaker 3: Not everyone gets to go out there and be Jose

1414
00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:05,880
Speaker 3: Alder or some legend or habib L Carner or anyone.

1415
00:59:06,120 --> 00:59:06,320
Speaker 2: You know.

1416
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:08,880
Speaker 3: Some people are just the middle of the road guys

1417
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 3: who win and lose. But to do that for a

1418
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:14,480
Speaker 3: consistent period of time like he has, that's something to

1419
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:15,040
Speaker 3: be proud of.

1420
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:18,480
Speaker 1: No doubt about it. And also we'll talk about Adrian

1421
00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:21,440
Speaker 1: Jonez and Pat Sabatini on the extra podcast that I

1422
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:25,320
Speaker 1: do Morning Combat Extra credit. All right, that is our

1423
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:28,240
Speaker 1: top five topics. It is now time, Oscar for us

1424
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:31,640
Speaker 1: to hear what the fans have to say. It is

1425
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 1: time for dms from Donks and he pulled off my dogs.

1426
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:39,440
Speaker 1: Here did they send them to me? He haw? As

1427
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:43,920
Speaker 1: Brian would say, he haw, Yeah, here we go. I

1428
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:46,040
Speaker 1: think they send them to me somewhere. Just throw them

1429
00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:47,680
Speaker 1: up on the screen. I'll read that shit. I don't

1430
00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:50,480
Speaker 1: need to see it here. Throw it up on the screen, Donks.

1431
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:53,880
Speaker 1: All right? From the real K Carter is Terrence Crawford,

1432
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:58,280
Speaker 1: the most poorly managed, slash promoted boxer of the last

1433
00:59:58,280 --> 00:59:59,880
Speaker 1: twenty five years. Let me answer this one. If I'm

1434
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:02,800
Speaker 1: first Oscar. Normally I pitched to you, but I want

1435
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:04,920
Speaker 1: to take a one. I actually don't think he is

1436
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:09,720
Speaker 1: poorly promoted managed maybe, but there is some blame on

1437
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:11,520
Speaker 1: him to go around on this one. So here's what

1438
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:15,560
Speaker 1: I mean. Dude, Top Rank did not do a great

1439
01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:19,400
Speaker 1: job of ultimately finding the highest level opponents he could

1440
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:22,400
Speaker 1: face in the most meaningful bouts. Like you would agree,

1441
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:25,800
Speaker 1: American at one time, quite a big name. Mirkan sucked

1442
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:27,520
Speaker 1: in that fight. He got hit once kind of low

1443
01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:29,680
Speaker 1: and then he just quit. He just quit. And I

1444
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:32,200
Speaker 1: like American, I do, but that was a terrible showing

1445
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:34,320
Speaker 1: by him. You know, that's not gonna do much for

1446
01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:37,760
Speaker 1: Bud Crawford. But dude, Top Rank in ESPN they made

1447
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:42,360
Speaker 1: him look pretty good in terms of promoting fights given

1448
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:44,680
Speaker 1: what they had available to them. I do think that

1449
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:48,760
Speaker 1: is true. Also, you could argue why did Crawford two

1450
01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:51,000
Speaker 1: three years ago, three four years ago, maybe actually somewhere

1451
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:54,080
Speaker 1: around three year mark. He signed with Top Rank back then,

1452
01:00:54,120 --> 01:00:56,640
Speaker 1: so he was already in his thirties. He could have

1453
01:00:56,640 --> 01:00:58,760
Speaker 1: gone to PBC, which even then we knew had the

1454
01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:01,240
Speaker 1: best walterweights, and he decided I did to go with

1455
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:04,800
Speaker 1: Top rank instead, so like he has some some blame

1456
01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:07,000
Speaker 1: to go around. I don't think he was poorly promoted,

1457
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:12,520
Speaker 1: maybe poorly managed Oscar, but that's not entirely someone else's fault.

1458
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:15,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think a lot of you hit the name

1459
01:01:15,640 --> 01:01:16,160
Speaker 2: on the head for me.

1460
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:18,000
Speaker 3: I think a lot of people are going to look

1461
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:20,160
Speaker 3: at how it ended and sort of think that was

1462
01:01:20,200 --> 01:01:21,840
Speaker 3: consistent throughout the whole relationship.

1463
01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:23,200
Speaker 2: But you're right, top rank tried.

1464
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:26,360
Speaker 3: I think Crawford actually has to be acknowledged as he's

1465
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:30,200
Speaker 3: not exactly like I don't. He's not interested in media.

1466
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:32,880
Speaker 3: He seems to actively hate it. Well in a sport

1467
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:34,320
Speaker 3: where you kind of have to do a bit of

1468
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:37,040
Speaker 3: self promotion as well, that's hard to work with. I'm

1469
01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:39,120
Speaker 3: sure it's really difficult for them when he doesn't want

1470
01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:41,600
Speaker 3: to do stuff and he just kind of feels like

1471
01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:43,840
Speaker 3: I'm the best, so I should just be considered the best.

1472
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:46,080
Speaker 3: I'm sure it wasn't easy for them too, So I

1473
01:01:46,120 --> 01:01:48,120
Speaker 3: think there's some blame to go around. And as far

1474
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:50,160
Speaker 3: as like, is he the worst in twenty five years?

1475
01:01:51,080 --> 01:01:52,880
Speaker 3: I mean, the names don't come to mind, but you

1476
01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:55,760
Speaker 3: can pick any boxer and usually they've been treated like

1477
01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:58,919
Speaker 3: shit somewhere, So he might not be the worst one,

1478
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:01,280
Speaker 3: but there are probably others. But I think I would

1479
01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:04,400
Speaker 3: agree with you that's not a blameless scenario.

1480
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:05,240
Speaker 2: He's put himself in.

1481
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:08,960
Speaker 1: No, certainly not. You could also argue, you know, to

1482
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:11,480
Speaker 1: what extent is Demetrius Andreide who won over the weekend?

1483
01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:15,720
Speaker 1: Is he poorly promoted, slash managed and whatever else? But dude,

1484
01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:17,479
Speaker 1: in boxing, there's a lot of hands in the pot.

1485
01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:19,920
Speaker 1: If someone went wrong, it's usually the fault of a

1486
01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:21,360
Speaker 1: few different entities.

1487
01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:26,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, all right, it's sorry just to compare, you know.

1488
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:28,200
Speaker 3: Then you look at like someone like Emakaran who had

1489
01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:30,800
Speaker 3: no business being in those fights on ability, but he's

1490
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:33,040
Speaker 3: been able to manufacture and promote his way into them.

1491
01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:35,400
Speaker 3: That came from himself. You know, I don't really think

1492
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:37,480
Speaker 3: he had this massive team behind him as much as

1493
01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:40,680
Speaker 3: he just was like, I want to medal. That's pretty cool,

1494
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:42,680
Speaker 3: Like that's basically all he dined out for.

1495
01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:46,280
Speaker 1: Years, right, right, that's a good point. All right, Khalid

1496
01:02:46,600 --> 01:02:50,320
Speaker 1: from Khalid Badoun, who was the name? I'm sure I'm mispronouncing. Man,

1497
01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:53,360
Speaker 1: this is a tough one analyze and pick Terrence Crawford

1498
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:58,360
Speaker 1: versus Floyd Mayweather but from their primes at one forty seven,

1499
01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:02,360
Speaker 1: So you've got an offensive genius versus a defensive genius

1500
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:05,600
Speaker 1: in their primes at one forty seven. I don't even

1501
01:03:05,640 --> 01:03:06,960
Speaker 1: know where to start with this one. You want to

1502
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:07,760
Speaker 1: take a crack at.

1503
01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:10,760
Speaker 3: It, I mean I will take cracking it. I think

1504
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:12,920
Speaker 3: Crawford is very, very good. I think he's going to

1505
01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:16,960
Speaker 3: be considered a generational talent. I think people forget, you.

1506
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:18,080
Speaker 2: Know, Floyd.

1507
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:21,760
Speaker 3: I was always curious about Floyd's legacy once he retired,

1508
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:24,240
Speaker 3: because I wondered if maybe absence would make the heart

1509
01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:26,080
Speaker 3: grow funder. And then he just never went away. He

1510
01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:28,200
Speaker 3: liked to stick around and fight Logan Paul and stuff.

1511
01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:31,040
Speaker 3: So maybe that's why no one's really sort of elevated

1512
01:03:31,080 --> 01:03:35,600
Speaker 3: him to this, you know, absolute legend like Muhammad Ali

1513
01:03:35,720 --> 01:03:37,760
Speaker 3: or someone like that, you know, because an ability wise,

1514
01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:40,480
Speaker 3: I think Floyd is one of the best of all

1515
01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:43,160
Speaker 3: time in any way. Ever, I think he's just fantastic.

1516
01:03:43,960 --> 01:03:46,680
Speaker 3: He's not a very likable guy, so maybe that's part

1517
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:48,680
Speaker 3: of it. But I think there's some recently biased here.

1518
01:03:48,680 --> 01:03:51,160
Speaker 3: I think I think Mayweather to this day, I mean,

1519
01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:54,160
Speaker 3: is the most defensively sound boxer, best defensively sound boxer

1520
01:03:54,200 --> 01:03:57,720
Speaker 3: I've ever seen or know of, and I think he

1521
01:03:57,720 --> 01:03:58,680
Speaker 3: would still win that fight.

1522
01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:00,600
Speaker 2: I think people are kind of forgetting us how good

1523
01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:01,240
Speaker 2: he was in.

1524
01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:02,640
Speaker 3: His career, and I think a lot of that is

1525
01:04:02,680 --> 01:04:04,880
Speaker 3: based on recency buys and based on the fact that

1526
01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:05,760
Speaker 3: he's a bit of a swats.

1527
01:04:08,600 --> 01:04:11,880
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm trying to think this through, Like,

1528
01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:18,120
Speaker 1: you know, guys who gave him trouble with speed elements,

1529
01:04:18,160 --> 01:04:20,160
Speaker 1: which to an extent, Crawford has right because he came

1530
01:04:20,280 --> 01:04:24,680
Speaker 1: up from lightweight even before even getting to welterweight, so

1531
01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:27,960
Speaker 1: he can match him in speed or I actually I

1532
01:04:27,960 --> 01:04:30,000
Speaker 1: don't know about that. He would be formidable with speed,

1533
01:04:30,040 --> 01:04:32,240
Speaker 1: Like would he be zab Judah level? I don't know

1534
01:04:32,240 --> 01:04:35,280
Speaker 1: about that, but he would be formidable, dude. That's a

1535
01:04:35,320 --> 01:04:39,640
Speaker 1: tough I don't know. That's a really tough call because Crawford,

1536
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:45,400
Speaker 1: Crawford has so many different tools in the tool set

1537
01:04:45,560 --> 01:04:48,160
Speaker 1: or chest or whatever metaphor you want to pick, that

1538
01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:50,240
Speaker 1: he can go to that it's really hard to know.

1539
01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:55,160
Speaker 1: Like what would Floyd show him constantly that he couldn't overcome.

1540
01:04:55,240 --> 01:04:57,200
Speaker 1: I'm not sure I know the answer to that. It's

1541
01:04:57,240 --> 01:05:00,720
Speaker 1: a great quest it's a phenomenal question. You're right, dude.

1542
01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:03,120
Speaker 1: People people sleep on Floyd a little bit because they

1543
01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:05,320
Speaker 1: don't either don't like him or the shit he did,

1544
01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:07,640
Speaker 1: or you know whatever this fight. In that fight they

1545
01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:09,520
Speaker 1: paid for pay per view and it wasn't super action

1546
01:05:09,640 --> 01:05:13,600
Speaker 1: packed or you know whatever the issue may be. But dude,

1547
01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:16,160
Speaker 1: in his prime, he was fucking good. He was.

1548
01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:18,760
Speaker 3: I think it's one of those ones as well with

1549
01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:22,000
Speaker 3: Floyd's a funny one because, yeah, I remember during his

1550
01:05:22,080 --> 01:05:24,160
Speaker 3: sort of peak, you know you tune in, the fight

1551
01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:26,240
Speaker 3: would be what it was because Floyd kind of just

1552
01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:28,880
Speaker 3: defensively did enough where he was never in trouble and

1553
01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:31,880
Speaker 3: he would do the sport of boxing right, hit, not

1554
01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:34,200
Speaker 3: get hit, didn't give a shit if the fans left

1555
01:05:34,200 --> 01:05:37,320
Speaker 3: pissed off, probably preferred it in fact. But he also

1556
01:05:37,360 --> 01:05:39,600
Speaker 3: had this sort of unique ability to basically show, like

1557
01:05:39,640 --> 01:05:43,520
Speaker 3: you just sort of mentioned there, he showed the opponents

1558
01:05:43,600 --> 01:05:46,320
Speaker 3: just what they needed for him to win. Right against Canelo,

1559
01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:49,240
Speaker 3: he completely defensively shot him out, just counted and just

1560
01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:50,160
Speaker 3: sort of let.

1561
01:05:49,960 --> 01:05:51,600
Speaker 2: This young guy burn himself.

1562
01:05:51,240 --> 01:05:53,640
Speaker 3: Out and just was a masterclass. I don't know what

1563
01:05:53,800 --> 01:05:56,120
Speaker 3: he shows Crawford, but if I could pick anyone to

1564
01:05:56,160 --> 01:05:58,439
Speaker 3: say that he'll have something in his locker that would

1565
01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:00,680
Speaker 3: suit that fight to get him to win Mayweather.

1566
01:06:00,720 --> 01:06:01,920
Speaker 2: It's that guy. He can produce it.

1567
01:06:02,440 --> 01:06:04,960
Speaker 1: The one thing I'll say is Crawford gets hit a bit,

1568
01:06:05,680 --> 01:06:08,439
Speaker 1: people were saying. I argued on Saturday Night. He doesn't

1569
01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:11,400
Speaker 1: get hit clean very often, which I do maintain is true,

1570
01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:15,280
Speaker 1: but people do make contact with him a fair bit Floyd.

1571
01:06:15,320 --> 01:06:17,800
Speaker 1: Floyd could give him trouble there because he could defensively roll,

1572
01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:21,240
Speaker 1: change up the looks and then tag him enough to

1573
01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:23,640
Speaker 1: win rounds. But dude, like any fight between them, you

1574
01:06:23,720 --> 01:06:26,200
Speaker 1: know what's going to distance, and you know it's gonna

1575
01:06:26,200 --> 01:06:28,160
Speaker 1: be close. It's gonna be really close.

1576
01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:31,440
Speaker 3: The real answer is they would never have fought in

1577
01:06:31,440 --> 01:06:34,840
Speaker 3: their prime because they wouldn't have done it.

1578
01:06:34,920 --> 01:06:36,960
Speaker 1: I thought. I think in his prime Floyd took some

1579
01:06:37,080 --> 01:06:40,040
Speaker 1: decent chances and some risks, but I do think late

1580
01:06:40,080 --> 01:06:43,480
Speaker 1: pot prime, post prime. You know, he was definitely hand picking,

1581
01:06:44,360 --> 01:06:48,600
Speaker 1: all right from dute end strong. Whoever the fuck that

1582
01:06:48,760 --> 01:06:51,880
Speaker 1: is who wins in a grappling match between Gordon Ryan

1583
01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:54,960
Speaker 1: and Habibe submission only let me think.

1584
01:06:56,720 --> 01:06:59,919
Speaker 3: A man, it's a tough one, right because it sort

1585
01:06:59,920 --> 01:07:03,919
Speaker 3: of it's there's mma grappling and then there's grappling wrapping. Right,

1586
01:07:05,960 --> 01:07:08,840
Speaker 3: this might maybe this is a CONVERSI you're more sort

1587
01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:10,920
Speaker 3: of up to speed and smarter than me about the

1588
01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:11,919
Speaker 3: grapping side of things.

1589
01:07:12,360 --> 01:07:14,280
Speaker 2: But for me, it's just very hard to imagine.

1590
01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:18,640
Speaker 3: Kabebe looks monstrously strong, right, There's just something about him,

1591
01:07:18,640 --> 01:07:20,760
Speaker 3: even for his weight at one fifty five although ready

1592
01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:23,440
Speaker 3: forward it that you know, even for his weight, he

1593
01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:25,240
Speaker 3: he looks like the sort of guy who's so dense

1594
01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:26,959
Speaker 3: and strong he could out of muscle like a.

1595
01:07:26,840 --> 01:07:29,120
Speaker 2: Middleweight or a light heavyweight. Even you know, he looks

1596
01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:31,200
Speaker 2: crazy strong, and it's hard for me.

1597
01:07:31,280 --> 01:07:34,800
Speaker 3: I remember when Tony Kabebe was a factor, people thought

1598
01:07:34,800 --> 01:07:38,360
Speaker 3: that Tony's active guard would somehow get Herbib in trouble.

1599
01:07:38,880 --> 01:07:42,400
Speaker 3: I don't know if Habib has ever given anyone enough

1600
01:07:42,480 --> 01:07:45,720
Speaker 3: breathing space to let those sort of attacks happen. So

1601
01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:47,960
Speaker 3: for me, I don't know how it goes, but I

1602
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:50,760
Speaker 3: find it hard to imagine Habib on top being able

1603
01:07:50,800 --> 01:07:54,000
Speaker 3: to be manipulated when he's so strong and so adept

1604
01:07:54,080 --> 01:07:55,520
Speaker 3: at just holding people in plays.

1605
01:07:56,200 --> 01:07:58,600
Speaker 1: See, I have a different read on this. I mean, again,

1606
01:07:58,600 --> 01:08:01,560
Speaker 1: the good news is any type of rule set is

1607
01:08:01,600 --> 01:08:03,880
Speaker 1: going to change the equation to a degree. Right, So

1608
01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:06,680
Speaker 1: if they had MMA rules and they were grappling on

1609
01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:08,920
Speaker 1: the mat, if it was submission only which he articulates

1610
01:08:08,920 --> 01:08:11,760
Speaker 1: here or points or you know whatever, the rule set

1611
01:08:11,800 --> 01:08:13,560
Speaker 1: is going to dictate who is going to have a

1612
01:08:13,600 --> 01:08:15,680
Speaker 1: little bit more lucky than the other in certain cases.

1613
01:08:16,040 --> 01:08:18,680
Speaker 1: But in this particular case, and even maybe without it,

1614
01:08:18,840 --> 01:08:20,639
Speaker 1: I'm gonna pick Gordon Ryan to win, and I'm gonna

1615
01:08:20,640 --> 01:08:25,120
Speaker 1: pick him quite quite handily. I'll say this for Habib.

1616
01:08:25,479 --> 01:08:27,640
Speaker 1: I watched his in his tutorial that he put out

1617
01:08:27,680 --> 01:08:29,640
Speaker 1: on JJ Fanatics, which of course is a merely a

1618
01:08:29,680 --> 01:08:32,959
Speaker 1: tiny little window into his overall ability, and it was interesting.

1619
01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:37,120
Speaker 1: But a lot of what he does is incredible. But

1620
01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:39,879
Speaker 1: a lot of what he does is also a function

1621
01:08:40,120 --> 01:08:43,840
Speaker 1: of feel. From day one. Here's what I mean. He

1622
01:08:44,000 --> 01:08:46,240
Speaker 1: likes to wrestle with his legs against someone else's legs.

1623
01:08:46,280 --> 01:08:47,800
Speaker 1: We've all seen him like kind of sit in a

1624
01:08:47,840 --> 01:08:50,320
Speaker 1: mount where his opponents back is along the fence and

1625
01:08:50,360 --> 01:08:51,760
Speaker 1: their legs are stretched out in front of him and

1626
01:08:51,760 --> 01:08:53,439
Speaker 1: Habib is on top. He did it to Connor right

1627
01:08:53,760 --> 01:08:56,280
Speaker 1: where he would kind of lace the legs together One

1628
01:08:56,320 --> 01:08:57,880
Speaker 1: of the things he talks about is he has a

1629
01:08:57,920 --> 01:09:01,320
Speaker 1: few guides to how to cont that position. But what

1630
01:09:01,360 --> 01:09:03,519
Speaker 1: he basically also says is, I've been sitting in this

1631
01:09:03,560 --> 01:09:08,080
Speaker 1: position for two decades. Basically, I've been doing this for forever.

1632
01:09:08,160 --> 01:09:12,280
Speaker 1: I've got a certain kind of muscular feel of this

1633
01:09:12,320 --> 01:09:16,280
Speaker 1: position that I've just mastered over time. That he basically says, like,

1634
01:09:16,320 --> 01:09:17,800
Speaker 1: you're not going to get there unless you just spend

1635
01:09:17,880 --> 01:09:21,320
Speaker 1: time working in this position. That's not that that's dominant,

1636
01:09:21,360 --> 01:09:23,479
Speaker 1: especially for MMA, when you're like, you know, the threat

1637
01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:26,920
Speaker 1: of getting punched is so like immediate that you have

1638
01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:29,320
Speaker 1: to use your hands to react to it in a

1639
01:09:29,360 --> 01:09:32,479
Speaker 1: submission only grappling match. You know you're asking me, Hey,

1640
01:09:32,520 --> 01:09:35,280
Speaker 1: Gordon Ryan is significantly bigger. He's going to be well

1641
01:09:35,280 --> 01:09:38,000
Speaker 1: into the two hundreds, number one and number two. Dude,

1642
01:09:38,240 --> 01:09:41,639
Speaker 1: Like dude, Gordon Ryan is telling the world in our

1643
01:09:42,280 --> 01:09:46,840
Speaker 1: hour hours long, he did I think eight hours just

1644
01:09:47,040 --> 01:09:51,559
Speaker 1: on half guard entries into like sweeps or something, and

1645
01:09:51,640 --> 01:09:54,840
Speaker 1: he is putting the blueprint out for his game. He

1646
01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:57,320
Speaker 1: put out just an instructional video on all of his

1647
01:09:57,360 --> 01:10:00,360
Speaker 1: ADCC matches from the last EIGHTYCC and how we went

1648
01:10:00,360 --> 01:10:03,280
Speaker 1: through and beat all of them. Danahr is also putting

1649
01:10:03,320 --> 01:10:06,320
Speaker 1: out all this new wave stuff. These guys are literally

1650
01:10:06,360 --> 01:10:10,360
Speaker 1: releasing the blueprint to their contemporaries, and they still can't

1651
01:10:10,400 --> 01:10:13,160
Speaker 1: do shit to them. It's kind of unbelievable to watch.

1652
01:10:13,200 --> 01:10:17,120
Speaker 1: Like there was a recent video on Bernardo Faria's channel

1653
01:10:17,479 --> 01:10:20,400
Speaker 1: on Gordon Ryan how to get out of the body triangle. Dude,

1654
01:10:20,439 --> 01:10:24,759
Speaker 1: the level of technical ability and understanding that he shows

1655
01:10:25,040 --> 01:10:27,920
Speaker 1: is far beyond what I've ever seen, at least in

1656
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:32,000
Speaker 1: NOGI from anybody else. It's not even close. And I

1657
01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:34,160
Speaker 1: know Gordon Ryan has a lot of views that a

1658
01:10:34,160 --> 01:10:36,000
Speaker 1: lot of people don't like, and that's fine, but that

1659
01:10:36,040 --> 01:10:38,840
Speaker 1: has nothing to do with what the question is here

1660
01:10:38,960 --> 01:10:41,639
Speaker 1: operatively assessing just how good Gordon Ryan is. So I'm

1661
01:10:41,640 --> 01:10:44,479
Speaker 1: gonna say between the SiZ factor, which I think even

1662
01:10:44,479 --> 01:10:45,920
Speaker 1: you would agree would be a big thing for a

1663
01:10:45,960 --> 01:10:49,280
Speaker 1: Bible to overcome, or at least an important factor anyway,

1664
01:10:49,400 --> 01:10:51,840
Speaker 1: and then I think the level of technical specificity that

1665
01:10:51,880 --> 01:10:55,879
Speaker 1: he employs relative to like the muscular kind of position

1666
01:10:56,040 --> 01:10:58,960
Speaker 1: hold that Habib employs, I think Gordon Ryan would. I

1667
01:10:59,000 --> 01:10:59,840
Speaker 1: think he would crush them.

1668
01:11:00,040 --> 01:11:02,320
Speaker 3: Actually, I think it comes down to what you said

1669
01:11:02,360 --> 01:11:05,240
Speaker 3: as well. It's a rule set right, This one was

1670
01:11:05,280 --> 01:11:07,559
Speaker 3: defined for us. But once you start adding punches and things,

1671
01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:08,479
Speaker 3: things can change.

1672
01:11:08,520 --> 01:11:10,080
Speaker 2: But I would grant you.

1673
01:11:10,160 --> 01:11:13,640
Speaker 3: I will stand myself convinced and say, in a submission

1674
01:11:13,680 --> 01:11:15,160
Speaker 3: only thing, you're probably right.

1675
01:11:15,640 --> 01:11:17,920
Speaker 1: All right, let's move on. It would be fun to watch.

1676
01:11:18,080 --> 01:11:21,040
Speaker 1: Let's go to it's not cage fighting, they ask, this

1677
01:11:21,120 --> 01:11:23,960
Speaker 1: is a great better question for you because your job

1678
01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:25,880
Speaker 1: requires that you be there for these shits. I can

1679
01:11:25,960 --> 01:11:28,599
Speaker 1: just punt if I want to. But okay, at it's

1680
01:11:28,680 --> 01:11:31,719
Speaker 1: not cage fighting? Are week fight nights similar to Vieira

1681
01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:36,960
Speaker 1: versus Tate, running the risk of diluting the UFC product,

1682
01:11:37,080 --> 01:11:40,080
Speaker 1: running the risk they've been doing that forever. What's that?

1683
01:11:40,200 --> 01:11:41,960
Speaker 1: What do you think I'll tell you?

1684
01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:44,400
Speaker 2: When you're sitting in there, it feels like it's fucking deleted.

1685
01:11:45,439 --> 01:11:48,840
Speaker 3: Well, it goes two ways, right, I think I would

1686
01:11:48,920 --> 01:11:51,639
Speaker 3: argue that the reason the pay per views currently feel

1687
01:11:51,680 --> 01:11:54,519
Speaker 3: so special are because they're the only one with fans, right,

1688
01:11:54,560 --> 01:11:57,360
Speaker 3: So they feel different, and some of that difference comes

1689
01:11:57,360 --> 01:12:00,080
Speaker 3: from not seeing it regularly when.

1690
01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:03,760
Speaker 2: They do fights every Saturday. Yeah, man, like it.

1691
01:12:04,280 --> 01:12:06,479
Speaker 3: I'll say this from a person who covers these fights,

1692
01:12:06,680 --> 01:12:10,040
Speaker 3: and maybe this is condemnation of myself sometimes, like people

1693
01:12:10,040 --> 01:12:11,599
Speaker 3: will get on the scale and I'll be like, wait.

1694
01:12:11,520 --> 01:12:14,280
Speaker 2: Who's this fucking guy again, Like if it's an early prelimbs.

1695
01:12:13,920 --> 01:12:16,759
Speaker 3: And stuff like, this's just so much of it, so often,

1696
01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:20,200
Speaker 3: so frequent, it can almost be hard to cover sometimes.

1697
01:12:21,080 --> 01:12:24,000
Speaker 3: So with that said, I would say, yes, their product

1698
01:12:24,040 --> 01:12:27,040
Speaker 3: has been diluted. The flip side of that is, I

1699
01:12:27,080 --> 01:12:29,320
Speaker 3: think they quite like their products being diluted.

1700
01:12:29,439 --> 01:12:32,160
Speaker 2: The more of it, the more consistent, the stronger the

1701
01:12:32,240 --> 01:12:35,720
Speaker 2: brand becomes over the individual fighters. I don't know who

1702
01:12:35,760 --> 01:12:36,759
Speaker 2: I'm watching on Saturday.

1703
01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:39,479
Speaker 3: I'm watching the UFC though, that sort of thing, right,

1704
01:12:39,760 --> 01:12:43,200
Speaker 3: So I think I would argue their product has been diluted,

1705
01:12:43,560 --> 01:12:46,040
Speaker 3: but I think it's almost they would rather it gets

1706
01:12:46,040 --> 01:12:48,960
Speaker 3: to the point where it's basically every weekend, just so

1707
01:12:49,040 --> 01:12:52,880
Speaker 3: they have consistent momentum that listen, I could or not

1708
01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:53,840
Speaker 3: day and managed.

1709
01:12:53,560 --> 01:12:54,879
Speaker 2: To get going during the pandemic.

1710
01:12:54,920 --> 01:12:58,560
Speaker 3: And I would suspect the relationship with ESPN is incredibly

1711
01:12:58,600 --> 01:13:01,719
Speaker 3: strong because of that, and I think they're just constant

1712
01:13:01,800 --> 01:13:05,400
Speaker 3: like his content, his content, his content. It's not great

1713
01:13:05,439 --> 01:13:09,280
Speaker 3: for building a wow factory. Special factor like heavyweight boxing

1714
01:13:09,280 --> 01:13:11,960
Speaker 3: fights feel big because they never happened between the guys.

1715
01:13:11,960 --> 01:13:14,400
Speaker 3: We want to see them against UFCS on every Saturday.

1716
01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:16,160
Speaker 3: I do you think it diates the products? But I

1717
01:13:16,160 --> 01:13:18,360
Speaker 3: think that's a situation they're almost happy with.

1718
01:13:19,439 --> 01:13:22,559
Speaker 1: It's a weird situation. I think the building of the

1719
01:13:22,600 --> 01:13:27,559
Speaker 1: Apex has been way more impactful than we've ever really discussed, right,

1720
01:13:27,640 --> 01:13:30,160
Speaker 1: So for one, it was a bit of the Alamo

1721
01:13:30,320 --> 01:13:33,840
Speaker 1: situation in Las Vegas during the pandemic. It's weird now,

1722
01:13:33,920 --> 01:13:37,400
Speaker 1: right because during the pandemic they had the pandemics not over,

1723
01:13:37,439 --> 01:13:38,960
Speaker 1: but you know what I mean, like when there was

1724
01:13:39,040 --> 01:13:41,120
Speaker 1: quarantines and shit like that. Here in the United States.

1725
01:13:43,080 --> 01:13:46,960
Speaker 1: It's interesting, right because now you watch sports and everyone's

1726
01:13:47,000 --> 01:13:50,559
Speaker 1: back in full or semi full arenas everywhere. You have

1727
01:13:50,600 --> 01:13:52,559
Speaker 1: CEA still at the Apex or Fight Island, and as

1728
01:13:52,560 --> 01:13:54,160
Speaker 1: you mentioned, you have the occasional pay per view that

1729
01:13:54,160 --> 01:13:56,880
Speaker 1: they venture out to but they haven't done that a

1730
01:13:56,960 --> 01:14:00,519
Speaker 1: whole lot. And also what's kind of interesting is you

1731
01:14:00,600 --> 01:14:03,120
Speaker 1: combine the fact they had this facility where they control

1732
01:14:03,160 --> 01:14:06,320
Speaker 1: all the production they can. They can pump out a

1733
01:14:06,360 --> 01:14:09,960
Speaker 1: fight card every nearly every weekend. One it always puts

1734
01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:13,080
Speaker 1: the competitor on the media backfoot because even if the

1735
01:14:13,080 --> 01:14:14,880
Speaker 1: whole card is weak, they can usually at least still

1736
01:14:14,920 --> 01:14:17,880
Speaker 1: preserve an A level or semi a level name for

1737
01:14:18,200 --> 01:14:20,320
Speaker 1: the main event, and that by itself kind of hurts

1738
01:14:20,520 --> 01:14:22,960
Speaker 1: Bellator or whoever else is trying to put out content.

1739
01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:26,160
Speaker 1: And also, you're right, like they'll they'll have these weak

1740
01:14:26,200 --> 01:14:28,599
Speaker 1: ass cards, but then the pay per views are these

1741
01:14:28,640 --> 01:14:31,960
Speaker 1: fucking extreme you know, two sixty seven and two sixty

1742
01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:34,479
Speaker 1: eight on back to back weeks. I mean, answer the question, dude,

1743
01:14:34,840 --> 01:14:38,240
Speaker 1: name another promoter who could even do that. There isn't

1744
01:14:38,280 --> 01:14:41,439
Speaker 1: even another promoter in the space that could match that

1745
01:14:41,600 --> 01:14:44,240
Speaker 1: on their best day, and they know it, So why

1746
01:14:44,280 --> 01:14:46,360
Speaker 1: the fuck do they care? Especially when they've been a

1747
01:14:46,479 --> 01:14:50,000
Speaker 1: huge leader for ESPN Plus. They're constantly putting content on

1748
01:14:50,000 --> 01:14:52,599
Speaker 1: their forem. It's always fresh, you're always if you if

1749
01:14:52,640 --> 01:14:54,280
Speaker 1: you missed it, you have to go back and check

1750
01:14:54,520 --> 01:14:58,400
Speaker 1: in the ESPN Plus app or whatever. It's so it's

1751
01:14:58,520 --> 01:15:01,479
Speaker 1: in every way the APEX been a giant win for them.

1752
01:15:01,520 --> 01:15:04,679
Speaker 1: Other than don't you find it weird that they're dude,

1753
01:15:04,680 --> 01:15:07,360
Speaker 1: the UFC used to be like the road Machine, like

1754
01:15:07,400 --> 01:15:10,120
Speaker 1: that was what they did. Now they're the home team.

1755
01:15:10,400 --> 01:15:11,360
Speaker 1: It's a bit of a switch.

1756
01:15:12,280 --> 01:15:15,080
Speaker 3: Well, I think there's another factor about the Apex, right,

1757
01:15:15,200 --> 01:15:17,800
Speaker 3: is they don't have to sell tickets there, So if

1758
01:15:17,800 --> 01:15:20,599
Speaker 3: they're getting paid by ESPN to provide them content, they

1759
01:15:20,600 --> 01:15:23,800
Speaker 3: can headline with a Jessica I Simpia Calvier because they

1760
01:15:23,800 --> 01:15:25,160
Speaker 3: don't need to rely on the gate.

1761
01:15:25,040 --> 01:15:26,840
Speaker 2: And ticket sales that they would have to get.

1762
01:15:26,920 --> 01:15:28,519
Speaker 3: You have to put on a strong made event if

1763
01:15:28,560 --> 01:15:30,840
Speaker 3: you go to like fucking bum fuck wherever, you have

1764
01:15:30,920 --> 01:15:32,519
Speaker 3: to put on something that's going to get people through

1765
01:15:32,560 --> 01:15:35,400
Speaker 3: the door. So I think they've probably realized that, well,

1766
01:15:35,439 --> 01:15:38,200
Speaker 3: for some cards, it's better for us to save our

1767
01:15:38,240 --> 01:15:39,080
Speaker 3: travel costs.

1768
01:15:39,439 --> 01:15:42,080
Speaker 2: And you know, it's a massive machine moving in anywhere, right,

1769
01:15:42,120 --> 01:15:44,160
Speaker 2: It's huge. It's a lot of expense in there. And

1770
01:15:44,200 --> 01:15:44,920
Speaker 2: I wonder if.

1771
01:15:44,840 --> 01:15:47,280
Speaker 3: Maybe they've worked out sort of an algorithm where they think,

1772
01:15:47,479 --> 01:15:49,719
Speaker 3: this card, we can expect to make this much revenue

1773
01:15:49,720 --> 01:15:52,200
Speaker 3: from traveling, versus if we keep it here, we get

1774
01:15:52,240 --> 01:15:54,080
Speaker 3: to do it like this. You know, I think the APEX,

1775
01:15:54,120 --> 01:15:56,519
Speaker 3: you're right, and talk about the timing on that man

1776
01:15:56,640 --> 01:15:58,880
Speaker 3: like that. You know, they build a building they could

1777
01:15:58,880 --> 01:16:00,639
Speaker 3: put fights on and then they should well shut down.

1778
01:16:00,720 --> 01:16:02,000
Speaker 2: So that was the only place they could do it.

1779
01:16:02,080 --> 01:16:06,600
Speaker 3: I mean tremendous by luck or whatever, like working the

1780
01:16:06,600 --> 01:16:09,519
Speaker 3: way that worked out for them. Yeah, I think the Apex.

1781
01:16:09,800 --> 01:16:11,639
Speaker 3: It's curious, right becau Dane has always wanted to get

1782
01:16:11,640 --> 01:16:13,280
Speaker 3: back on the raid, and now you can tell he

1783
01:16:13,320 --> 01:16:15,519
Speaker 3: clearly doesn't. Whether that's just because he can just drive

1784
01:16:15,560 --> 01:16:18,120
Speaker 3: down the street to work or not, I'm not sure,

1785
01:16:18,439 --> 01:16:20,519
Speaker 3: but I wonder if they've reached a point now where

1786
01:16:20,560 --> 01:16:23,720
Speaker 3: it's sort of we don't need to travel, we can

1787
01:16:23,760 --> 01:16:25,439
Speaker 3: stay here, dude.

1788
01:16:25,240 --> 01:16:30,719
Speaker 1: I mean ESPN that two of the most insignificant changes

1789
01:16:30,720 --> 01:16:33,920
Speaker 1: for UFC appears to me or the pandemic forced some

1790
01:16:34,000 --> 01:16:38,800
Speaker 1: of this, right, But the APEX building and the ESPN deal,

1791
01:16:38,920 --> 01:16:41,720
Speaker 1: And this is overly simplifying the matters. I'm just identifying

1792
01:16:41,760 --> 01:16:46,280
Speaker 1: two things among other factors. I also think that other

1793
01:16:46,360 --> 01:16:49,240
Speaker 1: promoters aren't as powerful in the space as they used

1794
01:16:49,280 --> 01:16:51,920
Speaker 1: to be, Like Villatore is not as powerful as Strike Force.

1795
01:16:52,320 --> 01:16:55,400
Speaker 1: So you have greater control of the market. You are

1796
01:16:55,640 --> 01:16:59,599
Speaker 1: aligned with the if not the one, you know, the

1797
01:16:59,680 --> 01:17:02,880
Speaker 1: top brand and all of sports basically like you know,

1798
01:17:02,920 --> 01:17:06,400
Speaker 1: you know, covering tennis, covering soccer, covering everything, and then

1799
01:17:08,040 --> 01:17:09,880
Speaker 1: on top of it, you have this facility where you

1800
01:17:09,960 --> 01:17:13,080
Speaker 1: can in this deal. Obviously with ESPN, with this facility

1801
01:17:13,080 --> 01:17:16,040
Speaker 1: where you have all this ability where you don't have

1802
01:17:16,080 --> 01:17:18,160
Speaker 1: to go on the road. You can still go on

1803
01:17:18,160 --> 01:17:19,680
Speaker 1: the road for big pay per views, but even then

1804
01:17:19,720 --> 01:17:22,920
Speaker 1: you don't necessarily have to your cash flush because of

1805
01:17:22,920 --> 01:17:25,160
Speaker 1: this ESPN deal, It's been a reward for them because

1806
01:17:25,160 --> 01:17:28,400
Speaker 1: you already had a digitally native audience. Dude, like, they

1807
01:17:28,640 --> 01:17:31,439
Speaker 1: don't need to do hardly any of the same shit

1808
01:17:31,479 --> 01:17:34,519
Speaker 1: they ever did because the ESPN deal has elevated their brand.

1809
01:17:35,000 --> 01:17:37,080
Speaker 1: I mean, for folks who are watching MMA now who

1810
01:17:37,080 --> 01:17:39,280
Speaker 1: maybe didn't watch a few years ago, it was not

1811
01:17:39,400 --> 01:17:41,640
Speaker 1: like this with Fox Sports, and I can assure you

1812
01:17:41,720 --> 01:17:44,120
Speaker 1: it was not like this with Spike TV. They have

1813
01:17:44,479 --> 01:17:47,679
Speaker 1: the brand has never been hotter, and they're doing far

1814
01:17:47,800 --> 01:17:51,160
Speaker 1: less work to get there. Why wouldn't they just stick around?

1815
01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:54,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I also think there's a there's a an This

1816
01:17:54,720 --> 01:17:58,160
Speaker 3: is going to be an oversimplification, but to me, Mixed

1817
01:17:58,200 --> 01:18:01,280
Speaker 3: Mark Arts is pre ESPN and post the ESPN deal.

1818
01:18:01,560 --> 01:18:04,000
Speaker 3: To me, the sport feels so different since they got

1819
01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:07,080
Speaker 3: that deal that it's I don't know if you feel

1820
01:18:07,080 --> 01:18:10,639
Speaker 3: the same, certainly, working as a leach on this beautiful

1821
01:18:10,640 --> 01:18:13,120
Speaker 3: sport of ours. I felt my numbers go up since

1822
01:18:13,160 --> 01:18:16,280
Speaker 3: that deal. It's just more available to more people and

1823
01:18:16,400 --> 01:18:21,040
Speaker 3: as And I think another sort of very important factor

1824
01:18:21,200 --> 01:18:23,960
Speaker 3: is their ability to go through the pandemic when very

1825
01:18:24,000 --> 01:18:24,880
Speaker 3: few others were.

1826
01:18:25,120 --> 01:18:26,839
Speaker 2: And their ability to go through the pandemic.

1827
01:18:26,880 --> 01:18:28,720
Speaker 3: I mean, at the beginning of the pandemic, people were

1828
01:18:28,760 --> 01:18:30,040
Speaker 3: betting on marble racing.

1829
01:18:30,120 --> 01:18:32,080
Speaker 2: That's how much people were starved for content.

1830
01:18:32,320 --> 01:18:35,439
Speaker 3: The fact that the UFC managed to get going during

1831
01:18:35,479 --> 01:18:38,639
Speaker 3: that get consistent. I think that, combined with the way

1832
01:18:38,840 --> 01:18:43,519
Speaker 3: ESPN has pushed them, means the sport is almost unrecognizably

1833
01:18:43,560 --> 01:18:47,599
Speaker 3: more popular than it was perhaps even five seven years ago.

1834
01:18:47,680 --> 01:18:50,679
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, there's no dude twenty So let's say

1835
01:18:50,680 --> 01:18:54,160
Speaker 1: seven years ago. So twenty fourteen. Twenty fourteen was when

1836
01:18:54,160 --> 01:18:56,639
Speaker 1: the UFC was doing and I'm not making this up,

1837
01:18:57,040 --> 01:18:59,439
Speaker 1: they were doing shows in Brazil in a place called

1838
01:18:59,640 --> 01:19:02,479
Speaker 1: uber Langia. Uber Landia is how it's kind of spelled

1839
01:19:02,680 --> 01:19:05,280
Speaker 1: if you say it in English. You know, they're never

1840
01:19:05,360 --> 01:19:07,920
Speaker 1: fucking going back there. Yeah, that was at the time,

1841
01:19:08,280 --> 01:19:09,519
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like they were trying to

1842
01:19:09,560 --> 01:19:12,639
Speaker 1: stoke that Brazilian market. They were constantly on the road

1843
01:19:12,680 --> 01:19:16,559
Speaker 1: and blah blah blah, that shit is fucking over these days,

1844
01:19:16,640 --> 01:19:19,400
Speaker 1: so it's an interesting time, all right. Last, but not

1845
01:19:19,520 --> 01:19:22,400
Speaker 1: least here from Timmy Tucks. This is a question to me,

1846
01:19:22,479 --> 01:19:25,559
Speaker 1: but I'll reframe it for you and here in a way, Luke,

1847
01:19:25,600 --> 01:19:28,160
Speaker 1: you have mentioned watching fights on mute, Yes, but have

1848
01:19:28,200 --> 01:19:30,360
Speaker 1: you ever tried watching them in Spanish? Last night was

1849
01:19:30,360 --> 01:19:31,960
Speaker 1: my first time, and I felt I was more able

1850
01:19:31,960 --> 01:19:34,920
Speaker 1: to focus on the action while also experiencing the sound

1851
01:19:35,160 --> 01:19:37,879
Speaker 1: effects and some commentary. So I've talked to Danny Sigura

1852
01:19:37,920 --> 01:19:40,720
Speaker 1: about this. He listens to the Spanish commentary pretty consistently

1853
01:19:41,240 --> 01:19:43,040
Speaker 1: and he loves it. He actually feels like he gets

1854
01:19:43,080 --> 01:19:45,920
Speaker 1: a lot out of it. That way, My Spanish is okay,

1855
01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:49,040
Speaker 1: but I would be concentrating so much on what they're

1856
01:19:49,040 --> 01:19:51,840
Speaker 1: saying to understand it that I probably wouldn't be able

1857
01:19:51,880 --> 01:19:54,360
Speaker 1: to dig into the fight. Here's the basic argument I've

1858
01:19:54,360 --> 01:19:56,519
Speaker 1: made thoughbout the commentary. Let's talk about Dannel Cormier here

1859
01:19:56,560 --> 01:19:59,000
Speaker 1: for a second. Here Oscar from can This is my

1860
01:19:59,080 --> 01:20:02,439
Speaker 1: problem with the commentary. People misunderstand my argument a little bit.

1861
01:20:03,320 --> 01:20:07,280
Speaker 1: This is not me bashing commentary to say I could

1862
01:20:07,280 --> 01:20:09,640
Speaker 1: do a better job. In fact, quite the opposite. I

1863
01:20:09,680 --> 01:20:11,640
Speaker 1: don't know of anyone out there who could do, at

1864
01:20:11,720 --> 01:20:14,800
Speaker 1: least event to event a better job than who they've got.

1865
01:20:14,800 --> 01:20:18,000
Speaker 1: They've got Daniel Freakin'cormier, They've got Michael Bisping, They've got

1866
01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:21,200
Speaker 1: Paul Felder. These fuckers know what they're doing. I think

1867
01:20:21,200 --> 01:20:23,720
Speaker 1: they're a little bit hamstrung with the UFC not wanting

1868
01:20:23,760 --> 01:20:25,519
Speaker 1: them to criticize certain things. But in terms of like

1869
01:20:25,560 --> 01:20:28,360
Speaker 1: their knowledge of MMA, what is anyone else going to

1870
01:20:28,400 --> 01:20:30,720
Speaker 1: say that they don't already know. That's not the issue.

1871
01:20:31,040 --> 01:20:34,800
Speaker 1: The issue for me is one they tend to get

1872
01:20:34,840 --> 01:20:37,639
Speaker 1: like sometimes they start talking like it's a podcast where

1873
01:20:37,640 --> 01:20:40,960
Speaker 1: they're just kind of having these free flowing conversations independent

1874
01:20:40,960 --> 01:20:42,920
Speaker 1: of the fight, which is fine but can get weird

1875
01:20:42,960 --> 01:20:46,519
Speaker 1: over time. The other problem is it's nothing they can fix, dude.

1876
01:20:46,680 --> 01:20:51,360
Speaker 1: MMA is so fast and so difficult to uncover that

1877
01:20:51,600 --> 01:20:53,960
Speaker 1: during the course of a fight, what these guys say

1878
01:20:54,160 --> 01:20:59,000
Speaker 1: oftentimes bears little resemblance to what actually influenced the result.

1879
01:20:59,360 --> 01:21:01,000
Speaker 1: And people think when I say that, I'm saying I

1880
01:21:01,040 --> 01:21:03,400
Speaker 1: could do better. No, I would do much worse. But

1881
01:21:03,479 --> 01:21:06,360
Speaker 1: what I'm saying is if even the very top guys

1882
01:21:06,400 --> 01:21:10,439
Speaker 1: have difficulty identifying the actual factors that contributed to it,

1883
01:21:10,439 --> 01:21:12,320
Speaker 1: like something you can only get with tape study. After

1884
01:21:12,400 --> 01:21:14,760
Speaker 1: the fact, there's a question about how much value you're

1885
01:21:14,800 --> 01:21:16,840
Speaker 1: getting from the commentary overall. What do you think?

1886
01:21:17,320 --> 01:21:20,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it seems to me more so that

1887
01:21:20,600 --> 01:21:22,840
Speaker 3: it has been in a long while, the topic of

1888
01:21:23,240 --> 01:21:24,960
Speaker 3: the commentary has come up more and more. You know,

1889
01:21:25,000 --> 01:21:27,880
Speaker 3: people seem to be almost every event having an issue,

1890
01:21:27,920 --> 01:21:30,479
Speaker 3: like Daniel Cormier Last Saturday, for example, is criticized heavily

1891
01:21:30,520 --> 01:21:35,559
Speaker 3: for some of his commentary. I like, for the most part,

1892
01:21:35,600 --> 01:21:37,760
Speaker 3: I like their commentary, but I wonder if related to

1893
01:21:37,840 --> 01:21:40,280
Speaker 3: what we just spoke about, if it's over exposure, right.

1894
01:21:40,320 --> 01:21:43,000
Speaker 3: We have to hear these guys every single week, and

1895
01:21:43,040 --> 01:21:46,840
Speaker 3: then slowly, over time they're perhaps less strong abilities of

1896
01:21:46,880 --> 01:21:49,599
Speaker 3: their commentary become more obvious flaws, and because we hear

1897
01:21:49,640 --> 01:21:51,559
Speaker 3: it so often, it's like, oh, he's doing that thing again,

1898
01:21:51,600 --> 01:21:53,760
Speaker 3: like right away, and it become immediately more annoying than

1899
01:21:53,800 --> 01:21:55,320
Speaker 3: perhaps it was a while ago.

1900
01:21:55,439 --> 01:21:57,519
Speaker 2: I will say that Corner.

1901
01:21:57,760 --> 01:22:00,280
Speaker 3: I really like Corbier, so this is not necessarily a

1902
01:22:00,320 --> 01:22:03,960
Speaker 3: massive criticism of him. I do think that sometimes maybe

1903
01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:05,760
Speaker 3: you're an event like Last Saturday, where some of the

1904
01:22:05,760 --> 01:22:06,920
Speaker 3: fights are a little bit rougher.

1905
01:22:07,120 --> 01:22:10,080
Speaker 2: I can see his interest kind of wane throughout the event.

1906
01:22:10,400 --> 01:22:11,200
Speaker 2: And I think if he.

1907
01:22:11,160 --> 01:22:13,840
Speaker 3: Has a partner like a Joe row Joe Rogan was

1908
01:22:13,880 --> 01:22:15,559
Speaker 3: different because he's only pay per views, but if he

1909
01:22:15,600 --> 01:22:18,400
Speaker 3: has a partner like Michael Bisping or Paul Felder, it

1910
01:22:18,439 --> 01:22:21,000
Speaker 3: can sort of turn into like, you know, I'm not

1911
01:22:21,040 --> 01:22:23,479
Speaker 3: really watching this, I'm fucking around with my friend here,

1912
01:22:23,560 --> 01:22:28,040
Speaker 3: which in spaces I can find that quite fun to

1913
01:22:28,120 --> 01:22:28,400
Speaker 3: listen to.

1914
01:22:28,560 --> 01:22:30,480
Speaker 2: I can find the back and forth entertaining.

1915
01:22:30,640 --> 01:22:33,040
Speaker 3: I think it's quite unique to MMA in a certain

1916
01:22:33,080 --> 01:22:34,680
Speaker 3: respect that we have some guys.

1917
01:22:34,400 --> 01:22:37,679
Speaker 2: Just screaming and sort of growing down with their friends.

1918
01:22:37,760 --> 01:22:39,200
Speaker 3: I think it's just when you have to hear it

1919
01:22:39,360 --> 01:22:42,360
Speaker 3: all the time, then it starts to you know, Daniel

1920
01:22:42,400 --> 01:22:44,960
Speaker 3: Cormier has never been more visible than he is now

1921
01:22:45,000 --> 01:22:46,640
Speaker 3: because of all of his duties, is all of his

1922
01:22:46,680 --> 01:22:49,760
Speaker 3: shows and because of this regular stations as commentator, And

1923
01:22:49,760 --> 01:22:52,280
Speaker 3: I wonder if maybe it's sort of like Cordier fatigue

1924
01:22:52,320 --> 01:22:54,840
Speaker 3: that's pissing people off rather than like how bad he

1925
01:22:54,880 --> 01:22:57,240
Speaker 3: actually is. If he did one show a month, I

1926
01:22:57,320 --> 01:22:58,880
Speaker 3: wonder if he would get shit on as much.

1927
01:22:58,760 --> 01:23:01,559
Speaker 1: As he does Michael Bespeaking, I don't feel like gets

1928
01:23:01,640 --> 01:23:06,439
Speaker 1: nearly as much criticism, and Paul Felder I don't think

1929
01:23:06,479 --> 01:23:08,599
Speaker 1: he can. Yeah, I would say that the guy who

1930
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Speaker 1: tends to get the most criticism, well, Rogan tends to

1931
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Speaker 1: get the most, but for a lot of other reasons.

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Speaker 1: But DC number two. But to your point, DC is

1933
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Speaker 1: more ubiquitous. And also like DC, he does actually what

1934
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Speaker 1: a commentator I think is supposed to do. Now you

1935
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Speaker 1: can like it the version of it that they give,

1936
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Speaker 1: or you can dislike it. But he's trying to give

1937
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Speaker 1: you know, he's trying to influence the audience in the

1938
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Speaker 1: way in which he sees the sport, like that's what

1939
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Speaker 1: he was hired to do. I think a lot of

1940
01:23:35,200 --> 01:23:38,360
Speaker 1: times people are like, oh, I don't like his views,

1941
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Speaker 1: rather than understanding him. Him delivering these views is the objective,

1942
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Speaker 1: and they get they confuse one challenge with the other.

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Speaker 1: That's all I'll say on that.

1944
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's it's also a weird one, right.

1945
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Speaker 3: I feel with Rogan a lot of the criticism is

1946
01:23:55,080 --> 01:23:57,840
Speaker 3: he finds a narrative to a fight and then it

1947
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Speaker 3: will stick to that.

1948
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Speaker 2: Like, you know, his theories and his views on the world,

1949
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Speaker 2: he'll just stick to them in very change.

1950
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Speaker 3: But I think he'll stay on that, and I think

1951
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Speaker 3: that can be really annoying as a listener. When he

1952
01:24:09,400 --> 01:24:12,040
Speaker 3: was the one that comes to mind is Adasign versus

1953
01:24:12,080 --> 01:24:15,000
Speaker 3: Jim Blackovich. He was ignoring everything that Yan does because

1954
01:24:15,040 --> 01:24:16,760
Speaker 3: he went into the fight thinking adas Sign is this

1955
01:24:16,800 --> 01:24:19,200
Speaker 3: elite level striker who he's amazing. His faint work is

1956
01:24:19,240 --> 01:24:21,120
Speaker 3: so good that that was all he was seeing. He

1957
01:24:21,160 --> 01:24:23,720
Speaker 3: wasn't actually seeing how the fight was really going with

1958
01:24:23,880 --> 01:24:27,640
Speaker 3: Cornier while he does that if Rogan's there, because I

1959
01:24:28,080 --> 01:24:30,760
Speaker 3: get the sense that Cormier wants like Rogans really like him,

1960
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Speaker 3: and you can actually hear it sometimes their dynamic, like

1961
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Speaker 3: Cormier will backtrack on something if.

1962
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Speaker 2: Rogan disagrees with him. I think he wants Rode like him.

1963
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Speaker 3: But sometimes when DC's not with Rogan, he's saying stuff

1964
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Speaker 3: that you know, you might disagree with. But at the

1965
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Speaker 3: end of the day, I suspect most of the people

1966
01:24:46,720 --> 01:24:50,559
Speaker 3: disagreeing with him aren't former world champions. See, to some degree,

1967
01:24:50,560 --> 01:24:52,519
Speaker 3: you kind of have to trust in the commentation might

1968
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Speaker 3: be seeing something you're not. Also, we have better angles,

1969
01:24:55,439 --> 01:24:57,439
Speaker 3: we're more relaxed, you know, We're not doing one hundred

1970
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Speaker 3: things at once. We don't have something in our ear.

1971
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Speaker 3: It's not a an easy job. You point it to yourself,

1972
01:25:01,600 --> 01:25:04,880
Speaker 3: it's not an easy job. So I think Cormeier gets

1973
01:25:04,920 --> 01:25:07,280
Speaker 3: a lot of criticism that I don't think is necessarily

1974
01:25:07,840 --> 01:25:10,360
Speaker 3: always fair. I do think sometimes he can sort of

1975
01:25:10,360 --> 01:25:12,200
Speaker 3: get a bit on the Rogan train, But I think

1976
01:25:12,280 --> 01:25:15,840
Speaker 3: Cormier is almost underappreciated. I think Corbie is pretty pretty

1977
01:25:16,240 --> 01:25:19,360
Speaker 3: good considering where when he came on and started, he

1978
01:25:19,520 --> 01:25:21,400
Speaker 3: was such a great addition. I just think people have

1979
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Speaker 3: sort of forgotten that. Actually, you know that there has

1980
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Speaker 3: been worse.

1981
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Speaker 2: Put it that way.

1982
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Speaker 1: Yeah, My only complain about Cormier aside from you know,

1983
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Speaker 1: do I always agree with his ideas about MMA. No,

1984
01:25:32,280 --> 01:25:34,080
Speaker 1: But he's paid to give them, so that's fine.

1985
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Speaker 3: Uh.

1986
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Speaker 1: The only thing I have an issue with is when

1987
01:25:36,720 --> 01:25:38,840
Speaker 1: you mentioned some of the chumminess, Like there are times

1988
01:25:38,880 --> 01:25:41,360
Speaker 1: when he and Rogan are together and it's a giggle fest,

1989
01:25:41,360 --> 01:25:44,559
Speaker 1: and it's like, yeah, this is highly distracted. I like

1990
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Speaker 1: dominant Cruz in Rogan because because Cruz is is he

1991
01:25:49,880 --> 01:25:53,439
Speaker 1: as bubbly and vibrant as DC. No, he's not, but

1992
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Speaker 1: one I think his analysis is incisive number one and

1993
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Speaker 1: number two because he's kind of like he's a he's

1994
01:25:59,040 --> 01:26:01,280
Speaker 1: a bitter old man and a young man's body kind of,

1995
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Speaker 1: you know, he kind of he checks Rogan a lot,

1996
01:26:05,800 --> 01:26:07,639
Speaker 1: like he's like, no, that's not true, Like no, look

1997
01:26:07,640 --> 01:26:09,360
Speaker 1: at this, blah blah blah. So he acts as like

1998
01:26:09,400 --> 01:26:12,320
Speaker 1: a counter reveiling force there, and he doesn't try to

1999
01:26:12,320 --> 01:26:14,120
Speaker 1: play the chump chum game either. To me, it works

2000
01:26:14,120 --> 01:26:14,599
Speaker 1: out better.

2001
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Speaker 3: Well, we might just be sort of cynics who enjoy

2002
01:26:17,439 --> 01:26:19,360
Speaker 3: that sort of stuff, But sometimes when it's him and

2003
01:26:19,439 --> 01:26:22,120
Speaker 3: Rogan or ever even cruising corner, it's a bit like

2004
01:26:22,200 --> 01:26:24,800
Speaker 3: being at someone else's dinner party and you realize the

2005
01:26:24,840 --> 01:26:26,760
Speaker 3: hosts have been arguing in the kitchen. You know, you're

2006
01:26:26,760 --> 01:26:29,200
Speaker 3: just like listeningly. Oh, I think that there's a bit

2007
01:26:29,200 --> 01:26:32,960
Speaker 3: of tensity there, I tenseness. I enjoy it, But I

2008
01:26:32,960 --> 01:26:35,000
Speaker 3: think if that I also think if that was regular,

2009
01:26:35,040 --> 01:26:36,920
Speaker 3: like if that was every week, I would sort of

2010
01:26:36,920 --> 01:26:40,599
Speaker 3: get a bit annoyed at just like this sudden, frosty

2011
01:26:40,640 --> 01:26:43,240
Speaker 3: comment followed by seconds of dead air and then someone

2012
01:26:43,280 --> 01:26:45,519
Speaker 3: goes nice jab and they sort of try and carry

2013
01:26:45,520 --> 01:26:48,840
Speaker 3: on as if they're not clearly like Bakering, So maybe

2014
01:26:48,880 --> 01:26:50,400
Speaker 3: I'd get bored of that too. I just think it's

2015
01:26:50,400 --> 01:26:53,160
Speaker 3: a like we like we said now it's every weekend.

2016
01:26:53,680 --> 01:26:56,120
Speaker 3: It's it's the same sort of stuff every time.

2017
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Speaker 2: No wonder people get bored of it.

2018
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Speaker 1: All right, Well, that we have one last segment to

2019
01:27:01,160 --> 01:27:05,240
Speaker 1: get to. It is odds and ends. Oscar willis give

2020
01:27:05,320 --> 01:27:07,679
Speaker 1: me something that's happening in the fight game or something

2021
01:27:07,720 --> 01:27:10,400
Speaker 1: else we just didn't get to that is worthy of

2022
01:27:10,439 --> 01:27:12,360
Speaker 1: a quick mention. What do you have me for odds

2023
01:27:12,360 --> 01:27:12,920
Speaker 1: and ends?

2024
01:27:13,240 --> 01:27:16,599
Speaker 3: Well, I sort of just sort of sort of really

2025
01:27:16,600 --> 01:27:19,519
Speaker 3: paid attention this morning, but I'm gonna point out John Jones.

2026
01:27:20,080 --> 01:27:22,280
Speaker 3: You know a guy who's rarely in the news, you know,

2027
01:27:22,320 --> 01:27:26,880
Speaker 3: he's really usually just completely forgotten about John. He said

2028
01:27:26,880 --> 01:27:30,920
Speaker 3: that it's been sixty days, sixty days sober, and then

2029
01:27:30,960 --> 01:27:33,400
Speaker 3: I think our friend Mike Bond said, well, they incident

2030
01:27:33,439 --> 01:27:34,679
Speaker 3: had fifty eight days ago.

2031
01:27:34,920 --> 01:27:37,519
Speaker 2: I think Cormbier even responded sort of laughing at it.

2032
01:27:37,800 --> 01:27:41,120
Speaker 3: And it was the same weekend, ironically enough, that John

2033
01:27:41,200 --> 01:27:43,280
Speaker 3: Jones announced he was having a grappling match with bell

2034
01:27:43,280 --> 01:27:45,919
Speaker 3: at or heavyweight Jake Hager, who then said.

2035
01:27:45,800 --> 01:27:46,400
Speaker 2: No, we aren't.

2036
01:27:46,560 --> 01:27:48,760
Speaker 3: I've not been told about this, and then John since

2037
01:27:48,800 --> 01:27:51,640
Speaker 3: deleted that tweet, as he likes to do, deleted the

2038
01:27:51,640 --> 01:27:54,840
Speaker 3: tweet announcing that grapping thing. My overall arking point is

2039
01:27:54,840 --> 01:27:58,519
Speaker 3: that John for someone who would.

2040
01:27:58,320 --> 01:28:01,720
Speaker 2: Benefit from not being heard about.

2041
01:28:01,520 --> 01:28:04,080
Speaker 3: For a while and sort of you know, I don't

2042
01:28:04,080 --> 01:28:06,360
Speaker 3: know how much fond of is really applicable here, but

2043
01:28:06,920 --> 01:28:09,320
Speaker 3: the old term absence makes the heart go funder. I mean,

2044
01:28:09,360 --> 01:28:11,439
Speaker 3: for someone who could benefit from that a lot, he

2045
01:28:11,520 --> 01:28:15,400
Speaker 3: really tries his utmost to never let that happen. And

2046
01:28:15,680 --> 01:28:17,839
Speaker 3: you know, he just has a weird thing with tweets.

2047
01:28:17,880 --> 01:28:22,080
Speaker 3: I mean, a while ago, he did the big tweet

2048
01:28:22,120 --> 01:28:24,439
Speaker 3: storm after the gym kicked him out, and you know,

2049
01:28:24,479 --> 01:28:26,400
Speaker 3: he said some very personal things in there that he

2050
01:28:26,439 --> 01:28:29,800
Speaker 3: immediately deletes and I can't really comment on those until

2051
01:28:29,800 --> 01:28:33,080
Speaker 3: he actually speak to the guy about it. But it's

2052
01:28:33,120 --> 01:28:36,599
Speaker 3: almost like John Jones is just a massive oversharer at

2053
01:28:36,640 --> 01:28:39,160
Speaker 3: all times, and I don't really know why.

2054
01:28:39,240 --> 01:28:41,200
Speaker 1: I think I don't know why either. He has this

2055
01:28:41,320 --> 01:28:45,000
Speaker 1: desire for us to know what his narrative of events are,

2056
01:28:45,200 --> 01:28:47,559
Speaker 1: which is, you know, you can make of that what

2057
01:28:47,640 --> 01:28:51,280
Speaker 1: you will. I I to me, it's like, let me

2058
01:28:51,400 --> 01:28:53,960
Speaker 1: know when the UFC announces something with what he's doing,

2059
01:28:54,000 --> 01:28:57,200
Speaker 1: because anything else he says to me is I'm not

2060
01:28:57,200 --> 01:28:58,920
Speaker 1: saying it's false. I don't know if it's false, but

2061
01:28:59,040 --> 01:29:01,920
Speaker 1: it's utterly unreal, liable, and doesn't mean much.

2062
01:29:02,520 --> 01:29:04,800
Speaker 3: So it's see, it's always done to paint him in

2063
01:29:04,840 --> 01:29:07,360
Speaker 3: a better light, you know. So it's not like it's

2064
01:29:07,400 --> 01:29:11,360
Speaker 3: not sixty days since this pretty obviously horrific incident.

2065
01:29:11,600 --> 01:29:13,920
Speaker 2: It's sixty days since I became a better person.

2066
01:29:14,280 --> 01:29:18,840
Speaker 1: Well I'll see about that, all right, Yeah, yeah, yeah,

2067
01:29:19,000 --> 01:29:21,000
Speaker 1: Uh for me, it was simple one. I kind of

2068
01:29:21,040 --> 01:29:23,599
Speaker 1: teased it on Friday over the weekend, and then it happened.

2069
01:29:23,800 --> 01:29:26,960
Speaker 1: Ham's out Chamaya have had a grappling match with fellow

2070
01:29:27,040 --> 01:29:29,680
Speaker 1: UFC Well, toms out can do middleweight and welterweight, so

2071
01:29:29,720 --> 01:29:33,559
Speaker 1: I'll call him fellow UFC middleweight Jack Hermanson. I believe

2072
01:29:33,560 --> 01:29:36,040
Speaker 1: this was in Sweden, somewhere in Europe, and uh, it

2073
01:29:36,120 --> 01:29:39,280
Speaker 1: was weird. You could see it here. Jamaya comes up

2074
01:29:39,320 --> 01:29:41,280
Speaker 1: on top. They had wrestling shoes, but it was kind

2075
01:29:41,320 --> 01:29:44,040
Speaker 1: of nogee. I had a buddy of mine score it.

2076
01:29:44,160 --> 01:29:46,560
Speaker 1: They some people said it was a shutout for chamayav

2077
01:29:46,640 --> 01:29:49,800
Speaker 1: It wasn't. It was closer to like eight four, eight

2078
01:29:49,840 --> 01:29:52,759
Speaker 1: points to four. But either way, Chamaya have won against

2079
01:29:52,800 --> 01:29:55,120
Speaker 1: her Manson. But here's the bigger takeaway I had from this.

2080
01:29:55,200 --> 01:29:57,160
Speaker 1: Obviously it's not Mma, you know, be careful what you're

2081
01:29:57,160 --> 01:29:59,400
Speaker 1: reading to it. But dude, for a guy who can

2082
01:29:59,439 --> 01:30:02,360
Speaker 1: make welter weight and beat people's ass, there him mustling

2083
01:30:02,439 --> 01:30:05,800
Speaker 1: Jack Hermanson around, who is a big middleweight and a

2084
01:30:05,880 --> 01:30:11,639
Speaker 1: strong grappler himself. Pretty fucking alarmed, Pretty fucking alarmed, dude.

2085
01:30:11,720 --> 01:30:14,479
Speaker 1: I think I think these these walterweights, I don't know

2086
01:30:14,520 --> 01:30:16,360
Speaker 1: how far, maybe all the way to the title, I

2087
01:30:16,360 --> 01:30:18,360
Speaker 1: don't know, but I think there's a bunch of walterweights

2088
01:30:18,360 --> 01:30:21,880
Speaker 1: who are in trouble. Dude. I think finally we're seeing

2089
01:30:22,000 --> 01:30:24,160
Speaker 1: a bit. And by the way, I will say this,

2090
01:30:24,760 --> 01:30:27,080
Speaker 1: as the match wore on, her Manson made a bunch

2091
01:30:27,439 --> 01:30:30,559
Speaker 1: much better account of himself. So we'll see if Jemaiah

2092
01:30:30,680 --> 01:30:32,679
Speaker 1: when he gets pushed into the third and fourth round

2093
01:30:32,760 --> 01:30:35,400
Speaker 1: what he looks like. But for him to be this good,

2094
01:30:35,439 --> 01:30:37,040
Speaker 1: this competitive, pretty fucking amazing.

2095
01:30:37,600 --> 01:30:39,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean, just what a specimen of it.

2096
01:30:39,840 --> 01:30:40,000
Speaker 2: You know.

2097
01:30:40,120 --> 01:30:42,519
Speaker 3: The guy's fucking huge, and he looks like strong. It

2098
01:30:42,520 --> 01:30:46,160
Speaker 3: looks like he wrestles bears. And oxes and shit. Uh

2099
01:30:46,200 --> 01:30:48,479
Speaker 3: for me, he just you mentioned and I saw you

2100
01:30:48,520 --> 01:30:51,280
Speaker 3: put it on Twitter as well. If you could survive

2101
01:30:51,760 --> 01:30:54,679
Speaker 3: the onslaught that comes at you from the they started

2102
01:30:54,760 --> 01:30:57,080
Speaker 3: wrestling before the people had left the cage.

2103
01:30:57,120 --> 01:30:58,720
Speaker 2: That's how quick he wants to get into shit.

2104
01:30:58,800 --> 01:31:02,000
Speaker 3: He's like, I don't think how that Shamaiah is happier

2105
01:31:02,040 --> 01:31:03,320
Speaker 3: than when he's attacking someone.

2106
01:31:03,360 --> 01:31:04,719
Speaker 2: I feel like that's his happy place.

2107
01:31:04,840 --> 01:31:07,160
Speaker 3: He has to go out and beat people's fucking shit

2108
01:31:07,280 --> 01:31:09,800
Speaker 3: in to like get a good kick that day. He

2109
01:31:10,320 --> 01:31:14,240
Speaker 3: his on score is so crazy, it's it's almost, I

2110
01:31:14,240 --> 01:31:16,360
Speaker 3: want to say, unlike anything I've seen for a long

2111
01:31:16,400 --> 01:31:19,839
Speaker 3: long time in MMA. Just the relentlessness, the chain wrestling,

2112
01:31:19,880 --> 01:31:21,799
Speaker 3: just the ability to be on you from the moment

2113
01:31:21,880 --> 01:31:22,439
Speaker 3: it starts.

2114
01:31:23,120 --> 01:31:26,880
Speaker 2: We'll see what happens after that fades. It'll be interesting.

2115
01:31:27,400 --> 01:31:28,799
Speaker 2: I don't really know how many.

2116
01:31:28,680 --> 01:31:31,519
Speaker 3: People I could count who I could reliably say I

2117
01:31:31,600 --> 01:31:32,880
Speaker 3: expect them to last it.

2118
01:31:32,960 --> 01:31:36,000
Speaker 1: You know, well, I'll say this. It actually reminds me

2119
01:31:36,160 --> 01:31:37,960
Speaker 1: a little bit of Connor. People. Folks will be like,

2120
01:31:38,000 --> 01:31:39,800
Speaker 1: what Connor, hear me out for a second. Hear me

2121
01:31:39,800 --> 01:31:43,200
Speaker 1: out for a second. In every there are meaningful differences

2122
01:31:44,280 --> 01:31:47,719
Speaker 1: in part because I don't think Connor would start fights

2123
01:31:48,200 --> 01:31:50,400
Speaker 1: shot out of a cannon in the way that harms

2124
01:31:50,400 --> 01:31:53,920
Speaker 1: id is. I mean, what I tweeted was, listen, either

2125
01:31:54,040 --> 01:31:56,920
Speaker 1: you can match this intensity or opponents will try, or

2126
01:31:56,960 --> 01:31:58,560
Speaker 1: you can't and you'll play a rope dope. But like

2127
01:31:58,600 --> 01:32:01,599
Speaker 1: whoever fights Hams out Tramaya, you got to figure out

2128
01:32:01,640 --> 01:32:03,799
Speaker 1: what to do with an opponent who is gonna start

2129
01:32:03,880 --> 01:32:07,920
Speaker 1: the round at maximum intensity and he's gonna keep it there.

2130
01:32:07,960 --> 01:32:11,639
Speaker 1: By the way, for some time maximum intensity. Connor didn't

2131
01:32:11,680 --> 01:32:14,200
Speaker 1: have maximum intensity. But what I will say is, and

2132
01:32:14,200 --> 01:32:15,880
Speaker 1: I actually have a video on my personal YouTube channel

2133
01:32:15,920 --> 01:32:20,000
Speaker 1: about it, Connor would start the first round and we're

2134
01:32:20,040 --> 01:32:21,760
Speaker 1: talking about, you know, not the current version, but the one.

2135
01:32:21,800 --> 01:32:23,880
Speaker 1: Let's say what Eddie Alva is, right, Let's be generous

2136
01:32:23,880 --> 01:32:27,320
Speaker 1: about it for a second. He would start that fight

2137
01:32:27,920 --> 01:32:31,920
Speaker 1: with the intensity and focus of I know, you've been

2138
01:32:31,960 --> 01:32:35,000
Speaker 1: in America for a while now, a batter going to

2139
01:32:35,040 --> 01:32:40,280
Speaker 1: the batter's box, bottom of the ninth, two outs, bases loaded.

2140
01:32:40,560 --> 01:32:42,840
Speaker 1: You need to be this, this is it. You need

2141
01:32:42,880 --> 01:32:45,760
Speaker 1: to be dialed in. He always had, or I think

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Speaker 1: I wrote what he had was he had Game seven intensity, right,

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Speaker 1: so you know best of seven series. One team wins three,

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Speaker 1: another ten wins three. You're now in the seventh game, dude,

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Speaker 1: if you're gonna win that game, you know you already

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Speaker 1: can tell both teams are, you know, roughly evenly matched.

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Speaker 1: It's about who wants it more, dude. He would always

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Speaker 1: fucking start those fights dialed in, and as you could tell,

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Speaker 1: his op ponems were taking some time to kind of

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Speaker 1: get into it, which is natural, right, A lot most

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Speaker 1: fighters do that, but there are certain fighters in different ways,

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Speaker 1: in different ways and like, oh my god, he compare

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Speaker 1: to homs out to cook Connor. What I am saying

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Speaker 1: is there are certain guys. Hamzad is insanely intense, but

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Speaker 1: there are certain fighters who can start with a higher

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Speaker 1: level of intensity and focus and it causes problems. You

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Speaker 1: see it in the fight game. To an extent. Connor

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Speaker 1: is one of those guys as well.

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Speaker 3: And probably related and this is a bit more of

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Speaker 3: a hippie way of saying this. There are certain guys

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Speaker 3: who we talk about men in fighting a lot, but

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Speaker 3: intensity right where you can just sort of feel their

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Speaker 3: presence in the cage. Certainly, when Connor was rising up,

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Speaker 3: you know, he just had this aw about him of

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Speaker 3: like inevitability, like he was gonna come out and you're

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Speaker 3: going to fight. You know, he could lose the fight,

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Speaker 3: but you knew he was going to start. Like a

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Speaker 3: present hamsuit is exactly the same way. I mean, him

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Speaker 3: picking up Legion I'm sorry, butchering his name. Him picking

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Speaker 3: up the last guy in his fighting, Da Leitch. When

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Speaker 3: he walked over to Dana screaming and shouting while holding

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Speaker 3: a man like above his head, probably the most terrifying

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Speaker 3: thing I've ever seen. It was literally just terrifying. You know,

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Speaker 3: the crowd's roaring and he's going get me brought Lesnar.

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Speaker 2: It's like, shit, this guy's a problem.

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Speaker 1: Amazing. Well that is it for us. We normally do.

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Speaker 1: Have you seen this ship? But that's such a Brian

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01:34:26,320 --> 01:34:29,639
Speaker 1: Campbell special that we're going to leave it off for today. Oscar,

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Speaker 1: tell the good folks how they can find your work, please.

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Speaker 2: I'm on Instagram and Twitter. Oscar s Willis.

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01:34:35,760 --> 01:34:38,400
Speaker 3: I started a weekly show with Dan Hooker called pub

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01:34:38,439 --> 01:34:41,559
Speaker 3: Talk that's on the Mac Life YouTube. I get drunk

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01:34:41,560 --> 01:34:44,920
Speaker 3: and talk about banging little people usually, so it's good.

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01:34:44,960 --> 01:34:47,320
Speaker 3: It's a family friendly watching with the kids and yeah,

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01:34:47,320 --> 01:34:48,840
Speaker 3: that's basically me. I want to say, Luke, thank you

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01:34:48,920 --> 01:34:50,040
Speaker 3: very much for having me on the show man.

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Speaker 2: I really appreciate it real quickly.

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Speaker 1: Before the Dan Hooker thing, how did that come about?

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01:34:54,000 --> 01:34:55,639
Speaker 1: Because why he is he stuck in the States?

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Speaker 3: Is that it well, the barstard actually just got back

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01:34:58,560 --> 01:35:01,280
Speaker 3: into New Zealand, so he's killed before it's even got started.

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Speaker 3: But no, we were in aby Dabby and I just

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Speaker 3: walked pasted him in the corridor and I was just like, Dan,

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01:35:08,880 --> 01:35:10,360
Speaker 3: you're in Vegas right He said, yes, I'm in the

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01:35:10,439 --> 01:35:12,240
Speaker 3: vas with Seeable Future. I said, do you want to

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Speaker 3: do a show in a pub every week? And he

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01:35:13,680 --> 01:35:15,160
Speaker 3: said yeah, I've got fuck all what else to do?

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Speaker 3: And that was the end of that. And actually, what

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Speaker 3: people don't realize is Dan and I do not talk

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01:35:19,720 --> 01:35:21,679
Speaker 3: until he sits down and put the micuf. We don't

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Speaker 3: talk about it before the show, we don't talk about

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Speaker 3: it after the show. He gets up and just walks

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01:35:24,800 --> 01:35:27,080
Speaker 3: out the moment it's done. We have no discussion, no

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01:35:27,120 --> 01:35:28,840
Speaker 3: prep time or anything. So it's what you see is

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01:35:28,920 --> 01:35:32,200
Speaker 3: essentially us talking apart from my email him saying this time,

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01:35:32,280 --> 01:35:34,639
Speaker 3: this date, and he says, okay, we have no discussion

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Speaker 3: outside that show.

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Speaker 1: It's pretty weird, but that's interesting. Give me, give me

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Speaker 1: before you go, give me a story from Fight Island.

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01:35:42,760 --> 01:35:44,479
Speaker 1: Doesn't people with fighters per se, but like, give me

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01:35:44,479 --> 01:35:45,920
Speaker 1: a sense of Fight Island what it was like.

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Speaker 3: There's a few stories that I won't be I don't

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01:35:50,280 --> 01:35:51,720
Speaker 3: want to get a call from the UFC about so

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01:35:51,760 --> 01:35:53,400
Speaker 3: I can't really reveal them. But maybe one time over

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01:35:53,439 --> 01:35:56,360
Speaker 3: a beer, I'll share with you stuff it was. It

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01:35:56,400 --> 01:35:58,840
Speaker 3: was a little bit like summer camp as kids. You

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01:35:58,840 --> 01:36:01,000
Speaker 3: know where it started off. It was exciting and it

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01:36:01,040 --> 01:36:03,840
Speaker 3: was cool, and then you know, four and five weeks

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01:36:03,880 --> 01:36:06,559
Speaker 3: being around the same people. You know, I don't even

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01:36:06,640 --> 01:36:09,000
Speaker 3: like being around my parents before, or five weeks being

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01:36:09,000 --> 01:36:10,840
Speaker 3: around these people that you're kind of just shoved into

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01:36:10,880 --> 01:36:12,799
Speaker 3: a situation and there's no escape.

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Speaker 2: You're in for the lot. For one of them, we

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01:36:16,600 --> 01:36:17,759
Speaker 2: weren't allowed to leave the hotel.

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Speaker 3: We'd have to go out the hotel onto a bus

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01:36:19,520 --> 01:36:21,559
Speaker 3: to the arena, onto the bus back to the hotel.

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Speaker 2: You weren't allowed to be exposed to the outside world.

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01:36:25,240 --> 01:36:27,200
Speaker 3: So when you're around a lot of people for that

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01:36:27,280 --> 01:36:30,360
Speaker 3: length of time, it was fucking brutal.

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Speaker 2: They did and then for the first few they had.

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01:36:33,240 --> 01:36:36,360
Speaker 3: Drink specials at the bar where it was either buy one,

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01:36:36,400 --> 01:36:39,680
Speaker 3: get one free, or for soccer games, they would have

2233
01:36:39,920 --> 01:36:42,120
Speaker 3: you paid twenty dollars at the beginning of the game

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01:36:42,160 --> 01:36:45,040
Speaker 3: and for ninety minutes you could drink all you want. Well,

2235
01:36:45,040 --> 01:36:46,920
Speaker 3: when you have nothing else to do, that's a very

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01:36:47,000 --> 01:36:49,479
Speaker 3: dangerous drink special to give me and John Morgan, and

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01:36:49,520 --> 01:36:51,720
Speaker 3: we relentlessly took that drink special and to the point

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01:36:51,720 --> 01:36:53,920
Speaker 3: where they had to cancel it for the entire Fightland

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01:36:54,120 --> 01:36:56,280
Speaker 3: they canceled a drink special because of me and John Morgan.

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Speaker 1: Nice. That's what I'm talking about. Dude, If you're not

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Speaker 1: getting thrown out of bars, go fuck yourself. That's my answer.

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01:37:01,160 --> 01:37:02,400
Speaker 1: That's how you should leave bars.

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01:37:02,800 --> 01:37:05,200
Speaker 2: But tell you what, true, true, true story.

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01:37:05,240 --> 01:37:07,680
Speaker 3: The last time we left the bar, John and I,

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01:37:07,960 --> 01:37:10,439
Speaker 3: the people in there, the people working, stood up and

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01:37:10,479 --> 01:37:11,960
Speaker 3: applauded that we were leaving.

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01:37:12,360 --> 01:37:14,080
Speaker 2: That's true.

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01:37:15,360 --> 01:37:17,479
Speaker 1: That is awesome. Well, I don't know what my next

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01:37:17,600 --> 01:37:19,599
Speaker 1: MMA show will be, but I are you gonna go

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Speaker 1: to I know you were at the first one. Are

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01:37:21,320 --> 01:37:22,840
Speaker 1: you gonna go to Jake Paul, Tommy Fury?

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01:37:23,439 --> 01:37:23,639
Speaker 2: No.

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01:37:23,680 --> 01:37:26,000
Speaker 3: I would like to, but Unfortunately, I booked my ticket

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01:37:26,040 --> 01:37:28,519
Speaker 3: home and then two hours later they announced it and

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Speaker 3: then I couldn't.

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Speaker 2: That's right, fucked up. Can change the ticket. So instead

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Speaker 2: of being eight.

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01:37:32,560 --> 01:37:34,720
Speaker 3: Hundred dollars out of pocket, I'm gonna give myself one

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01:37:34,800 --> 01:37:37,120
Speaker 3: week off for the entire year, so I will not

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Speaker 3: be going, but I would like to have gone.

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, I'm gonna be down there in Tampa

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01:37:41,160 --> 01:37:43,280
Speaker 1: for you, so I'll send you a note if you

2263
01:37:43,320 --> 01:37:44,960
Speaker 1: want to throw the graphic up one more time, there

2264
01:37:44,960 --> 01:37:47,360
Speaker 1: a gaff if you can. So. Folks can follow all

2265
01:37:47,400 --> 01:37:49,360
Speaker 1: of his stuff obviously at the Mac Life as well.

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01:37:49,400 --> 01:37:51,320
Speaker 1: You can go there on the YouTube channel and then

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01:37:51,400 --> 01:37:53,840
Speaker 1: give Oscar a follow on Instagram or Twitter and then

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01:37:53,840 --> 01:37:56,840
Speaker 1: you can see Morning Combat there as well. Reminder, merch

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01:38:06,800 --> 01:38:08,559
Speaker 1: a thirty day free trial. If you like it, you

2273
01:38:08,560 --> 01:38:10,160
Speaker 1: can keep it. If not, go to something else. But

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01:38:10,240 --> 01:38:13,880
Speaker 1: remember Showtime does have a fight this weekend. So if

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01:38:13,920 --> 01:38:16,639
Speaker 1: you're like, what am I gonna watch on Thanksgiving weekend?

2276
01:38:16,840 --> 01:38:19,920
Speaker 1: We got you covered. Over there Apple Podcasts, help us

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Speaker 1: We're going to pick out some of the winners and

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Speaker 1: pay you guys for helping us scam. And then don't

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Speaker 1: forget Morningcombat at gmail dot com for dead wrongs, which

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Speaker 1: we'll get to, and of course fan subs as well.

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Speaker 1: All right, for CBS Sports, for showtime for malk Up,

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Speaker 1: for The Maclife's Oscar Willis, I'm Luke Thomas. Brian Campbell's

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Speaker 1: on vacation back on Wednesday, and until then, may all

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Speaker 1: of your gains be loyal