1 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Marcowitz Show on iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 1: A few days ago, this big story broke involving a squirrel. 3 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:18,640 Speaker 1: A guy in New York State had taken a squirrel 4 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:22,279 Speaker 1: and a raccoon as a pet and put them on 5 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 1: the internet. Peanut the squirrel became an Internet sensation, had 6 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:32,200 Speaker 1: half a million followers, and people just loved that little guy. 7 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:37,200 Speaker 2: Then a few days ago, the Department of Environmental Conservation 8 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 2: seized Peanut and the raccoon named Fred, from owner Mark 9 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 2: Lungo's home. He had an animal sanctuary in rural Pine City, 10 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:54,279 Speaker 2: New York. They then euthanized the animals. So they take 11 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 2: the animals from this guy's house where he films himself 12 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 2: snuggling with this squirrel and kissing the squirrel constantly, and 13 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:05,960 Speaker 2: they're just like best friends, and they kill him. They 14 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:10,559 Speaker 2: kill the squirrel. A lot of people were outraged, me included. Now, 15 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:14,119 Speaker 2: I think it's important to note that I hate squirrels. 16 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 2: I am not into them at all. I have an animal. 17 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:25,120 Speaker 3: Loving mom who saves turtles and you know, feeds stray cats, 18 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 3: and she used to feed the squirrels on my balcony 19 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 3: in Brooklyn and I was very anti that whole thing. 20 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:35,840 Speaker 2: They're really gross, They're gross, they're vicious. I mean, I 21 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:39,959 Speaker 2: think the only animal I dislike more than squirrels are pigeons. 22 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 2: Just itw But coming into someone's home and taking away 23 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 2: their animal who isn't bothering anyone, scares me, And I 24 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 2: think it's scared a lot of people who heard the story. 25 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 2: And I've seen a lot of commentary around this go 26 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 2: something like people are more concerned about squirrels and they 27 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 2: are about blank could be you know anything. I saw 28 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 2: high grocery prices, the border death and gaza, et cetera. 29 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:10,079 Speaker 2: But I want to say that I found it very 30 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 2: encouraging that people cared about the insane thing that happened 31 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 2: with this squirrel. We can't culturally accept that kind of 32 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 2: action from our government. If they do that, what else 33 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 2: can they come and do? As I like to say, 34 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 2: this show is not about politics, and it's not the 35 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:32,639 Speaker 2: politics of this that bothers me. It's not that it 36 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:35,239 Speaker 2: happened in New York. If it happened in a red state, 37 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 2: I'd be just as mad. Where in this time where 38 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:43,239 Speaker 2: people tell me they can't sleep because they're so worried 39 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 2: about what's going on in our country, and I really 40 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:50,959 Speaker 2: think that small stories like this squirrel story really exacerbates that. 41 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 2: Silly as that may sound, we need to be able 42 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:57,640 Speaker 2: to count on things going a certain way and the 43 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:01,640 Speaker 2: government coming to your home and seizing you're, yes, weird 44 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 2: but harmless pet should not happen, and then killing that 45 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 2: pet is just really crossing the line. I told my kids' story, 46 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 2: and they wondered, why didn't they just set the animals free? 47 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 2: After all? The whole concern supposedly was that their wild 48 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 2: animals and shouldn't be living in someone's home, right, Why 49 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 2: kill them? I worry about the future of the country 50 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 2: with stories like that. I really do people need to 51 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:31,680 Speaker 2: know what to expect. During COVID, I just wanted normal 52 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:34,519 Speaker 2: seedback and we were willing to move to Florida to 53 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 2: get it. People need normal, They crave normal. I think 54 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 2: stories like this move us away from normal, move us 55 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 2: away from knowing what to expect, and that really harms 56 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 2: our country overall. I'd love to hear your thoughts. 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How's it going? 83 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:27,159 Speaker 5: It is going well. 84 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:30,360 Speaker 6: I didn't know if David Marcus rules applied and whether 85 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 6: or not I could smoke dry you. 86 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:33,280 Speaker 4: Could totally smoke. Go ahead. 87 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 5: Have you done an interview with David Marcus? 88 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:37,799 Speaker 4: I have, and I discouraged him from smoking, just because 89 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:41,559 Speaker 4: I like picking on him. But yeah, he smoked pretty 90 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:42,559 Speaker 4: much the whole way through. 91 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 6: Okay, But but he's a cigarette smoker. He like he 92 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:50,159 Speaker 6: needs to. I'm a cigar smoker, right. 93 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:53,919 Speaker 4: So tell me about your Before we got on, you 94 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:56,599 Speaker 4: were telling me you have three radio shows, which you know, 95 00:05:57,400 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 4: I would say, seems like a lot. But I have 96 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 4: two podcasts, so I get it. So tell us about 97 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 4: your shows. 98 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:05,920 Speaker 6: There used to be a time in radio where you 99 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 6: could do just one show and feel like you made 100 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:09,680 Speaker 6: a living and feel like you know everything's gonna be 101 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 6: all right. 102 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:12,919 Speaker 5: It's a tenuous world, it is radio. 103 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:15,280 Speaker 6: So I'm the morning host of ninety three point one 104 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:19,480 Speaker 6: FMWIBC in Indianapolis. I've been doing the morning show here 105 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 6: for ten years, and then I am I'm the host 106 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:27,040 Speaker 6: of something called Tony Kats Today, which is nationally syndicated. 107 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:30,720 Speaker 6: We're we're in Memphis, We're in Tulsa, here in Indianapolis, 108 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 6: throughout Indiana. We then share the show on weekends, and 109 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:38,280 Speaker 6: then I host the which started as a hobby because 110 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 6: I'm a cigar guy, Eat Drink Smoke, which is the 111 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:44,480 Speaker 6: largest cigar in bourbon radio review program in the country. 112 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:47,679 Speaker 6: We're on eighty eight stations across the country on weekends, 113 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:49,840 Speaker 6: myself and Fingers below, who is a joy and a 114 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:50,679 Speaker 6: treat of a man. 115 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 5: And that's led to. 116 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 6: Books on barbecue and bourbon, and you know, just a 117 00:06:56,800 --> 00:06:59,159 Speaker 6: very idea of I have a hobby, I like this thing, 118 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:00,839 Speaker 6: I talk about this thing, and then it turned into 119 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:02,480 Speaker 6: kind of turned into a business. 120 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 4: Turned out that's the best, right. That is actually when 121 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:08,279 Speaker 4: magic happens when you can talk about something that you 122 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 4: love to talk about and make money from it. I 123 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 4: love bourbon also, I'm actually I'm more into rye. But 124 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 4: do you is it all brown liquors or do you 125 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 4: limit to bourbon? 126 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 5: Rye? 127 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 6: Is Rye is unsung in Indiana? It is It is 128 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 6: the drink. Yeah, I'm much more a fan of Midwest 129 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 6: Rise and let's say East Coast Rise. I'm not as 130 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 6: much of a whistle pig guy as I am. 131 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 4: Some of the other things me, some of your favorites, 132 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 4: I need, I need some recommendations. 133 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 6: See that's unfair. Favorite is I can give you recommendations, 134 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 6: but I can't. I can't rank Pikesville. I think every 135 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 6: liquor cabinet should have Pikesvill rye in it. I think 136 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 6: that is absolutely unsung, A spectacular, spectacular drink out of Indiana. 137 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 6: There's some guys called Hard Truth, which is down in Nashville, Indiana, 138 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 6: Brown County, which is a beautiful, beautiful spot you have right, 139 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 6: it's it's there is no Broadway, no no girls going, none. 140 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 4: Of I'm if you need it. 141 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 6: But no, please please, there's only so much of that 142 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 6: one can handle. 143 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 5: Uh. So they do some great work because they do it. 144 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 6: They do a sweet mash rye, which is you know 145 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 6: they're not they're not using a starter. They're doing it 146 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 6: fresh every time. So as far as rise, those two, 147 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 6: I think it should be in liquor cabinets all. 148 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 5: Over the place. 149 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 6: But no, it's it's not just it's not just brown 150 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:35,560 Speaker 6: liquor rum is fantastic with a cigar, and people never 151 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 6: ever put it together. 152 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 5: Bamboo b u M b u. 153 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 6: If you've never had a bamboo rum with a cigar, 154 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 6: I think is great. We we just did an Irish 155 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 6: whiskey Uh. 156 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 5: That was absolutely. 157 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 6: Spectacular, kind of like apple and pear pie, uh mixed 158 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:55,319 Speaker 6: with butter. 159 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 5: It was yeah. 160 00:08:57,559 --> 00:08:59,680 Speaker 6: And I'm not an Irish whiskey guy at all. That 161 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 6: is not where I feel. It's like Japanese whiskey that 162 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:06,079 Speaker 6: is just not it's not enjoyable, but no, it's it's 163 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 6: it's more about just being able to taste and get 164 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:10,960 Speaker 6: an idea of what's like an what is an artist 165 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 6: trying to do? It's like the cigar, this is this 166 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:15,199 Speaker 6: is art? 167 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 5: What was the plan here? What's the thinking here? 168 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:20,839 Speaker 6: And and kind of exploring what they're all about. And 169 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 6: I'm much more of a cigar person than a drinker 170 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 6: by any stretch. 171 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 5: I don't have to finish the drink. I will finish 172 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:25,839 Speaker 5: the cigar. 173 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 4: What kind of cigar are you smoking today? 174 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:30,440 Speaker 6: So this is an oliva or sometimes pronounced oliva. I 175 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 6: leave it to others the suri v. This is the Millennia, 176 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 6: which is not Millennia. This says nothing to do with Trump. 177 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 4: It's just just not a bad business idea. 178 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 6: The Millennia. Say someone hasn't done Trump cigars already, I'm 179 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 6: sure they have. 180 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 5: You know, they haven't created an eight inch cigar and 181 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 5: just called it huge. 182 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 6: That has to have happened. I like, this is a 183 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 6: pretty moderately priced cigar. The regular seriv is probably about 184 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:58,440 Speaker 6: ten eleven bucks. This is probably about seventeen. But I 185 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:00,719 Speaker 6: find to be very easy all purpose smoke, no matter 186 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 6: what you're doing, when you're doing coffee, whether you're doing bourbon, 187 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 6: whether you're doing a die coke, which is a nice 188 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:07,440 Speaker 6: clean way to cleanse the pallet each time without affecting 189 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 6: flavor of the cigar. It's it's it's the it's in 190 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:13,200 Speaker 6: the humid or constantly. But it isn't my every day 191 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:14,680 Speaker 6: It's just what I happen to pick right now. 192 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 4: Can you see yourself getting into the business of maybe 193 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 4: a bourbon or a cigar or something. I had Michael 194 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 4: Knowles on the show. He has his own cigar company now. 195 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:28,079 Speaker 4: Clay and Buck my my overlords here at iHeart. They 196 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 4: started a coffee company. I think people are kind of 197 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:33,440 Speaker 4: branching out. Can you see yourself doing that? 198 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 6: I think that is it's the business and the brand 199 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 6: and the concept of the brand, and I think we're 200 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 6: all in it, and it gets very very strange and 201 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 6: very odd. 202 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 5: I know, Carol Markowitz from the New York Post. 203 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:51,079 Speaker 6: Now it's Carol Markwitz from the podcast, and soon it'll 204 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 6: be Carol Markwitz from the Stage show new re enacting 205 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 6: the life of Alane Straight. That's clearly what's coming. For 206 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 6: those who don't know a lane stretch, you might have 207 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:06,080 Speaker 6: to go to Google and check that out. Yeah, so 208 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 6: I'm doing I did when COVID started, I did a 209 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 6: rye whiskey called Recovery Rock and we raised money for 210 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:17,959 Speaker 6: hospitality workers impacted because of closures. Right, So myself and 211 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:21,079 Speaker 6: a guy who owns a cigar lounge, Corey Johnston, and 212 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 6: a group called Backbone Bourbon and we did this and 213 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 6: it did very very well, tens of thousands. 214 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:27,439 Speaker 5: Of dollars, and was thrilled to do it. 215 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:31,440 Speaker 6: I have coming out in the end of November my 216 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 6: first barrel pick that I did with Hotel Tango Distillery 217 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 6: veteran owns here in Indianapolis, a ten year so I've 218 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:39,880 Speaker 6: got a ten year barrel pick and now it's a 219 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:45,720 Speaker 6: conversation of doing a collaboration on a bourbon and a 220 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 6: series of bourbons, really kind of focusing on what they 221 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 6: refer to as orphan barrels, this idea that this barrel 222 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 6: never got sold or this browl turn out the way 223 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:54,840 Speaker 6: people wanted. 224 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:56,679 Speaker 5: Well, what if you did this and mixed it with that? 225 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:58,440 Speaker 6: What if there's an idea here, What if there's something 226 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:01,680 Speaker 6: here that's just perfect on its own, uncut, and just 227 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:04,079 Speaker 6: just just get it out to people and let them 228 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:06,080 Speaker 6: try it. And I think that it's all part of 229 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:09,200 Speaker 6: it is all part of joy, right, being able to 230 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 6: do something like I did the podcast Eat, Drink, Smoke 231 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:14,679 Speaker 6: because I wanted an escape from the politics, and then 232 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:17,200 Speaker 6: it became its own thing. That is that is, that 233 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 6: is lightning and a lightning in a bottle. 234 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 5: Lovely. But it's never it's not necessarily about the money. 235 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 1: Being a capitalist, why not, you know, why not make 236 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:26,680 Speaker 1: money along the way. 237 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:29,079 Speaker 5: There's no way I agree with you. Why not make 238 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 5: make money? 239 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:35,080 Speaker 6: Sponsorships now available, But it's it wasn't the driver. It's 240 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 6: never been the driver. The doing to me is much 241 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:41,679 Speaker 6: more interesting than than the rest. 242 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:44,839 Speaker 5: I would argue that I'd probably. 243 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 6: Be further along in a career, more financially successful in 244 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 6: a career if I had made some of those moves. 245 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 5: But I kind of like just doing the stuff. 246 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:56,839 Speaker 6: Doing the stuff is kind of fun and let the 247 00:12:56,920 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 6: chips fall where they may. So doing a cigar is 248 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 6: far different than doing a bourbon. You've got a lot 249 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 6: of people out there that you could work with, reach 250 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 6: out to and do something in a collaborative effort, and 251 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:12,719 Speaker 6: then use whatever platform you have to try and get 252 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:16,680 Speaker 6: it sold. A cigar is only going to go as 253 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 6: far as the people who sell the cigar or can 254 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 6: push it, because they're gonna buy the box and then 255 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 6: they have to sell the twenty cigars that are inside. 256 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 5: There has to be. 257 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:29,080 Speaker 6: Something worthwhile, a story that they're going to buy into 258 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 6: and believe and share, and it has to actually be 259 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 6: good in order for those cigar lounges to do it. So, 260 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:39,200 Speaker 6: you know, you can gimmick a cigar from now to 261 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 6: the end of time. And there are a lot of 262 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 6: people in the celebrity world who get into cigars. Those 263 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:46,559 Speaker 6: people are gonna suss it out. You can't. You can 264 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:49,680 Speaker 6: gimmick bourbon A Snoop can give me gin and juice 265 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:53,320 Speaker 6: all you want, and Ryan Reynolds can get lucky as 266 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:57,079 Speaker 6: bloody heck with Aviator Gin fantastic marketing. I'll leave the 267 00:13:57,160 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 6: gin to others what George Clooney did with tequila. Remember, 268 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:02,199 Speaker 6: no one's made more money than Sammy. 269 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 5: Hagar with Kabba Walbo. 270 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 6: I mean that guy is the originator for sure. But 271 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 6: people will do it for the kitch, not a cigar. 272 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 6: Cigar has to be good and I haven't yet just 273 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:14,200 Speaker 6: decided on the cigar maker. 274 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 4: Well, I would smoke the Tony Kats you if you 275 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 4: make it, I will smoke it. So I pledge that 276 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 4: to you. 277 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 5: Right here. Do you smoke cigars? 278 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 4: I mean occasionally, I'm not like, I don't think I 279 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 4: would do it at ten twenty am on a Wednesday. 280 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 6: Well then I'll I'll do it just to say cut 281 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 6: down and that's a great lighter. 282 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 4: But yeah, yeah, I absolutely, you know, late night with 283 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 4: a whiskey shure, why not? 284 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 5: What do you drink? 285 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 6: Is what is the Carol Markowitz end of the day. 286 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 6: I've told people how great Florida is. 287 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 4: Well, once I've gotten through that, you know, I don't 288 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 4: drink as much as I'd like. I know everybody talks 289 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 4: about drinking drinking less. No, but it's true. Like my 290 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 4: bar has really grown, and my husband and I are 291 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 4: always like, oh, we should drink more. We just don't 292 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 4: remember to do it. But again, I'm a whiskey person. 293 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 4: Like if I go to an event and it's like 294 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 4: red or white wine, like kill me right there. And 295 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 4: I would say, my most controversial opinion is that wine 296 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 4: is bad. So I get a lot of flack on 297 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 4: the Twitter X for that. It's just whiskey is so 298 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 4: much better. It's just it's a different universe. 299 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 5: So all right, But what is this? 300 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 4: I would say, in a in a in a bar 301 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:27,560 Speaker 4: where I know they're going to have it. Woodford Rye 302 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 4: is sort of the one that I would go for. 303 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 4: I love four roses. I I do like whistle Pig. 304 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 4: You know, I like all those Kentucky brands, so you 305 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 4: know I like the fancy stuff too. I I drink 306 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 4: all kinds of Wellers, and my husband when I had 307 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 4: my third kid, he got me a bottle of Pappies. 308 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 4: I mean, you know, we do it right. 309 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 6: Also, so on the poppy side, the well or twelve 310 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 6: I think is a brilliant, brilliant bourbon. You don't have 311 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 6: to spend the the pappy money. The four rows is 312 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 6: a great pick. The small back select I think is exquisite. 313 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:09,560 Speaker 6: And on Woodford, Elizabeth McCall would be a great interview. 314 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 5: She's she's now the master distiller there. 315 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 6: She's tremendous and they do not only the Rye is good, 316 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 6: but the Woodford double oaked and there isn't small batches, 317 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:23,359 Speaker 6: the double double oaked spectacular. 318 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 4: Really all right, I have to check that out. So 319 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 4: how did you get into the radio world before you 320 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 4: even had the show about the whiskey and the food 321 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 4: and the cigars. What was the first step into this 322 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 4: kind of landscape going broke? 323 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 6: I had moved to Los Angeles to start a tech 324 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 6: company with a friend of mine fraternity brother still dearest 325 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 6: friend in the in the world. And this was when 326 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 6: the bailouts came in two thousand and eight and two 327 00:16:55,040 --> 00:17:00,120 Speaker 6: thousand and nine, and anybody who was an investor was 328 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 6: running for cover trying to figure out which end was 329 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 6: was up and lost our funding and I lost. I 330 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:09,440 Speaker 6: had to short sell my house back in Florida and 331 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 6: Tampa Bay at the time, and spent a year trying 332 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 6: to figure out which end was up. And as this 333 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:18,639 Speaker 6: was happening, the tea party was coming into existence, and 334 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 6: I started that I was one of those original people 335 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:25,680 Speaker 6: and did that first rally in California on the Santa 336 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 6: Monica Pier, which is a weird place to have a 337 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:31,400 Speaker 6: tea party, yeah for sure, but on those steps right 338 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 6: at the end of the pier, that was me and 339 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 6: the first word spoken at a tea party in California. 340 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:38,639 Speaker 6: And did that for a while and said I wanted 341 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:42,160 Speaker 6: to have these conversations, but I didn't want to make 342 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:43,880 Speaker 6: money off these people. I wasn't gonna be a guy 343 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:47,400 Speaker 6: printing T shirts or anything like that. So I knew 344 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:49,159 Speaker 6: of a radio station where I'd done a little bit 345 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:52,200 Speaker 6: of work in Clearwater, Florida, and I bought the time, 346 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:54,679 Speaker 6: and I bought an hour a day and did the 347 00:17:54,720 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 6: show from California on Skype. Wow, Los Angeles. That's and 348 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 6: that's how I got started. That's how I started my 349 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 6: my radio career. And it was right around the time 350 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:14,120 Speaker 6: where Arizona was was having this law SB ten seventy. 351 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:17,440 Speaker 6: You have a lawful stop. You can ask the person 352 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:20,159 Speaker 6: you've stopped what country they're from. People were upset and 353 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 6: they were saying boycott Arizona and don't do conventions in Arizona. 354 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 6: And congress members from Arizona was saying this. I thought 355 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:31,639 Speaker 6: this was nuts. I started offering free advertising to Arizona businesses, 356 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 6: which I mean California. The shows in Florida don't make sense. 357 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:38,359 Speaker 6: A guy I know, John, I haven't spoken to in 358 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:40,680 Speaker 6: a great number of years, had had run the story 359 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:43,880 Speaker 6: on his website and some other people put the word 360 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 6: out and then Kvudo called and three days later I'm 361 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 6: doing the Okavudo Show, my first time on Fox ever. 362 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 5: And that was the start of the career. 363 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:55,160 Speaker 2: I'll be right back with more from Tony kat. 364 00:18:58,119 --> 00:18:58,199 Speaker 1: So. 365 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:00,439 Speaker 4: A question that I asked all of my guests is 366 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:03,760 Speaker 4: what advice would you give your sixteen year old self? Like, 367 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 4: do you still follow that path? Do you go into tech? 368 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:09,119 Speaker 5: No? No, I knew nothing about tech. 369 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:10,959 Speaker 6: I had a friend who was smarter than me, who 370 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:13,119 Speaker 6: had a good idea, and I said, here's my money, 371 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 6: and I was willing to risk all my money and 372 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 6: I did. 373 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:22,640 Speaker 5: I lost everything in that. My sixteen year old self. 374 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:33,440 Speaker 6: Was an extremely unhappy kid, an outrageously unhappy kid. That 375 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 6: led to real depression in my twenties and being suicidal. 376 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 6: It was an awful decade. Sadly, A wasted a decade. 377 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:46,159 Speaker 6: You know, it is cliche to say it gets better, 378 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:50,199 Speaker 6: but I would argue that you can get through this. 379 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 5: It's just going to take a lot of work. 380 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:55,160 Speaker 6: And maybe maybe you want to recognize it a little 381 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 6: bit earlier than you did, and it'd be proactive about 382 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:03,359 Speaker 6: it if I was giving myself that advice. But the 383 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 6: the the also maybe the idea that nobody knows anything. 384 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:11,960 Speaker 6: They all have advice, but no one knows crap and 385 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:13,400 Speaker 6: and and try some. 386 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 5: Things on your own and see what works. It's okay, Failure's. 387 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:18,199 Speaker 4: Fine, right, So how did you turn it around? 388 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 6: I A have a spectacular wife, absolutely spectacular. I went 389 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:33,919 Speaker 6: to a A wasn't a psychiatrist psychologist once once because 390 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 6: my wife had a job and it was covered by insurance, 391 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 6: and I went. 392 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 5: And I went back a second time and the guy 393 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 5: was basically like, why are you here? I'm like, oh, 394 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:43,159 Speaker 5: all right, I must be fine. I wasn't. 395 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:43,879 Speaker 4: You're cured? 396 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:49,200 Speaker 6: Yeah, right, magic, I tell you is. It's like taking 397 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:52,480 Speaker 6: the Collidal silver. You're heeled of all your ailments. I 398 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 6: certainly wasn't. 399 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,200 Speaker 4: I'm not sure I've ever heard of therapist turned down 400 00:20:57,280 --> 00:21:00,040 Speaker 4: clients before, but you must, you must have been a. 401 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 1: I. 402 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:06,000 Speaker 6: It was odd. As I look back on it, it 403 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:10,440 Speaker 6: was very, very, very odd. But it was a reminder 404 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 6: that it was really up to me. I saw something wrong, right, 405 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:17,439 Speaker 6: And that's first recognizing that you're seeing something wrong. I 406 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:19,920 Speaker 6: should have been more proactive. And the thing that turned 407 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 6: me around, which really didn't start working until my thirties, 408 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 6: was I stopped lying about everything. I never lied to 409 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 6: another person again. I never lied to myself about anything, 410 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 6: not the smallest detail, not how this shirt looked, not 411 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 6: the fact that my hair is totally I don't know 412 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:41,399 Speaker 6: what's there. I nothing. I don't lie about anything anywhere 413 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:44,359 Speaker 6: at any time. Let the chips wall where they may. 414 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 6: And it really got me into this idea of don't 415 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 6: do things for the money, do things because they can 416 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 6: be done. 417 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:53,960 Speaker 5: Do the thing, try the thing if it doesn't work. 418 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:58,080 Speaker 6: Yeah, it's like in November, November fourteenth, I'm gonna shameless plug. 419 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 6: I'm doing an event understanding the election in three Bourbons, right, 420 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 6: so hopefully we'll have Electra results by then. I'm gonna 421 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 6: break it down for a crowd what happened in the 422 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 6: battlegrounds and in the and in the Battle of the 423 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:10,439 Speaker 6: Sexes and everything else. 424 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 5: And we're gonna pair it with bourbon. We've got food. 425 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:16,879 Speaker 5: Where our cigars Afterwhere's the event? This is in Fishers, Indiana. 426 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 6: You can go to tickets dot Tony Kats dot com, 427 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 6: tickets dot com. Thank you. I will fly you out, Carol. 428 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:25,359 Speaker 6: If you want to be a part of it, well. 429 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 4: I will certainly consider that. I've never been to Indiana. 430 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:29,879 Speaker 5: Indiana in November. 431 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 4: I'm not sure I have the warm clothes anymore for that. 432 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:38,920 Speaker 6: Oh, we have goodwills and the willingness to give you 433 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:42,640 Speaker 6: a sweater. These people are very friendly. That has been 434 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:44,440 Speaker 6: years me saying I want to do a live event. 435 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 6: You know you talk about like Clay and Buck doing 436 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:48,360 Speaker 6: the coffee. 437 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 4: And backet coffee, check it out. 438 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:53,680 Speaker 5: You know, all these kinds of things. Do the thing. 439 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 6: I have no idea if this is gonna work. I 440 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:57,240 Speaker 6: have no idea what it's gonna make money. I don't 441 00:22:57,280 --> 00:23:00,440 Speaker 6: know if people are gonna leave going that sucked, or 442 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 6: they're gonna say this was a great time. If they 443 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 6: leave saying was a great time, and then they learned 444 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 6: something that's the win great time first, Right, that's gonna 445 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:12,920 Speaker 6: be tough. I just liked the idea of doing and 446 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 6: saying I have to do this. I got to get 447 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 6: this out of my system, get it out of my soul, 448 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:21,800 Speaker 6: and so I now just do anything I dang well, please. 449 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 4: I love it. So what do you worry about? In 450 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 4: whatever path? Do you think that question lead you? 451 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 5: Yeah? 452 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:33,520 Speaker 6: So, I mean you could argue some of the basic stuff. Right, 453 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 6: I have a family, I have children, and certainly concerns 454 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 6: for them in this world, in this society, without question. 455 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 6: Being Jewish, it's something that we both talk about on social. 456 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 4: Media, noticeable than before, right. 457 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 5: More noticeable than ever before. 458 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:56,720 Speaker 6: You know, I used to argue that very often what 459 00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 6: you saw was an anti semitism, it was moronism. Somebody 460 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,480 Speaker 6: the swastik on a stop sign, right, and you're down 461 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:05,399 Speaker 6: the street. They're not after Jews. They're a smuck and 462 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 6: they thought, oh this will this will be shocking. It's 463 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:12,439 Speaker 6: it's you know, it's like pick the latest teeny bopper 464 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:15,720 Speaker 6: star who thinks that getting undressed for a camera is shocking. 465 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:20,160 Speaker 5: We grew up during Madonna. We've seen white literally everything you. 466 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:21,439 Speaker 4: Made a how she made a whole book. 467 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 6: You cannot you cannot surprise us in the slightest right, 468 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 6: But I will tell you that, uh, maybe it's a 469 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 6: function of age. But over the last year death I 470 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:42,440 Speaker 6: part of the whole depression thing was being obsessed with 471 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 6: family members and what would I do if they passed away? 472 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 6: Like it's a weird, odd thing to be to be 473 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:50,200 Speaker 6: a part of it. How would I handle this? And 474 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 6: how would I handle that? Like somehow you could control that, 475 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:55,400 Speaker 6: but I couldn't control anything else in my life, which 476 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 6: was part of the depression. So I invented things that 477 00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:00,480 Speaker 6: I could grab control of. And it make sense as 478 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:02,800 Speaker 6: a you utilize that as a as a crutch, as 479 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:07,720 Speaker 6: a vehicle dealing with the fact that mortality will come. 480 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 6: And I the only thing that has truly ever stuck 481 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:16,800 Speaker 6: with me on a philosophical level from my father passed 482 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:18,199 Speaker 6: away in June. 483 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 5: He said, the worst part about the idea of passing 484 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:25,360 Speaker 5: away is I want to see what happens next, right, Yeah, yeah, 485 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 5: that is. 486 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 6: That is as a matter of just take a step 487 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:32,200 Speaker 6: back and have a sip of that, you know, Carol 488 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 6: mark WIT's proved wry. 489 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 5: I want to see what happens next. 490 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:37,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, I want to see how things turn out. 491 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,359 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's all going to go on without me. That's 492 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 5: all going to go on without. 493 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:43,720 Speaker 4: That. 494 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:49,119 Speaker 5: So maybe worry is the wrong word that has gotten 495 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 5: a lot of my attention lately. 496 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:54,000 Speaker 4: I think about that a lot. I was raised partially 497 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:56,439 Speaker 4: by my grandmother, who I just was like, you know, 498 00:25:56,560 --> 00:26:00,159 Speaker 4: obsessed with, and she died before things got good. She 499 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 4: died before I met my husband, before my career took off, 500 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,159 Speaker 4: before any of that happened. She died when I was 501 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:09,440 Speaker 4: largely like a drift, and I wish she had gotten 502 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,360 Speaker 4: to see, you know, it turned out Okay, it went 503 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 4: better than expected. So I you know, fully hear you? 504 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:18,600 Speaker 5: Yeah, I uh so, I don't. 505 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:22,159 Speaker 6: I don't know if I think the idea that I 506 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,160 Speaker 6: do radio and I've done TV stuff and I've had 507 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 6: these interviews I think. 508 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:29,720 Speaker 5: Tickled my father to no end. 509 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:32,639 Speaker 6: And he lived in the in the villages, and I 510 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:36,119 Speaker 6: am sure that everybody there heard oh my son the radio, 511 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:38,919 Speaker 6: like it was like it was Jerry's father. 512 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:44,760 Speaker 5: You know, did you get the public or just I 513 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:45,080 Speaker 5: don't know. 514 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:47,119 Speaker 6: We didn't usually talk in that kind of way. So 515 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:49,479 Speaker 6: I don't know have the actually, but it's a it's 516 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:51,920 Speaker 6: an interesting thought, uh, for for sure. 517 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:53,720 Speaker 5: But does it does it bother you? 518 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:53,919 Speaker 4: Do you? 519 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,440 Speaker 5: Is that something you obsess about obsessed about? 520 00:26:56,560 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 4: No, but it is definitely like the regret, the regret 521 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 4: of like my grandma didn't see that it all turned 522 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,200 Speaker 4: out okay. Again, it was like I was in graduate 523 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:07,960 Speaker 4: school when she passed, so it wasn't like I was 524 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,960 Speaker 4: completely a mess, but I had definitely been a mess 525 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 4: in my twenties. And when you were talking about that 526 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,480 Speaker 4: and you started with that have an amazing wife, I 527 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,520 Speaker 4: mean it was definitely my husband also that turned my 528 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 4: life around. And I think that I wish she had 529 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 4: gotten to see it. That's really that's it. I wish 530 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:26,760 Speaker 4: she had gotten to know that it was all good 531 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,080 Speaker 4: and that my brother got married and had two little 532 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:30,960 Speaker 4: girls and just all the whole picture of like the 533 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:34,680 Speaker 4: family turned out okay, because when she died, it wasn't 534 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:35,960 Speaker 4: going that great. 535 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:41,000 Speaker 6: Yeah, that's a I think that's a relatable. I think 536 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 6: that people are going to understand that very very well. 537 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:47,359 Speaker 4: Definitely. Well, I've loved this conversation, Tony. I feel like 538 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:51,639 Speaker 4: we had laughs, we had sadness, we really ran the gamut. 539 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,440 Speaker 4: You smoked the cigar. I wish I had to leave 540 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:58,040 Speaker 4: us here with your best tip for my listeners on 541 00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 4: how they can improve their lives. 542 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:07,159 Speaker 6: Oh, no pressure, no pressure from Marky Markowitz. 543 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,199 Speaker 5: Has anybody ever referred to as Marky Markowitz? Mean? 544 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,399 Speaker 4: We have it, but I like it. 545 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,440 Speaker 5: Copyright, remember that, that's right. 546 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:20,360 Speaker 6: I don't know how you're supposed to lead a good life. 547 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:25,240 Speaker 6: I I it's like, what's the best cigar? Hell if 548 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 6: I know, I don't know you. I don't live in 549 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:29,879 Speaker 6: your taste buds. I have no idea what your palette is. 550 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:32,760 Speaker 6: I think maybe the question is, have you asked yourself 551 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:36,560 Speaker 6: what that is? I mean, honestly asked yourself and ripped 552 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:40,120 Speaker 6: apart the other stuff to get to the thing. I 553 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 6: get that it sounds hokey. It sounds like I voted 554 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:43,640 Speaker 6: for Marian Williamson. 555 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:48,480 Speaker 5: But I cannot. I don't. I don't think I can 556 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 5: give it. 557 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:52,760 Speaker 6: Enough words to how true that is? That it all 558 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 6: got better when I stopped lying about everything. The weight 559 00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,320 Speaker 6: just went away to an extent that something can go way. 560 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,040 Speaker 6: It went away better and better for time, but it 561 00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:07,200 Speaker 6: went away. Have you ever asked yourself what makes you happy? 562 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 6: And have you ever asked yourself, are you willing to 563 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:10,960 Speaker 6: do the things that get there? 564 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 5: Because just because it makes you happy doesn't mean it 565 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,560 Speaker 5: isn't tough. That's I mean. 566 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:18,360 Speaker 6: And by the way, it could be that taking care 567 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:20,200 Speaker 6: of your family makes you happy, and that means you 568 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 6: work a job you don't like and there there's reward 569 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,720 Speaker 6: in that. There's reward in that sacrifice, that is that 570 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,640 Speaker 6: is valuable stuff. So I don't know if I've got 571 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 6: the good tip. I don't know if I'm you know. 572 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:33,720 Speaker 5: I like that. Thank you, I don't know. 573 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 4: Introspection with Tony Kats. I love it. 574 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:39,720 Speaker 5: That's that's the new podcast that is coming on the 575 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 5: podcast podcast. 576 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 4: Podcast number four. Thank you so much for coming on, Tony. 577 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,480 Speaker 4: I love this. Go to Tony's event, tell us one 578 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:47,840 Speaker 4: more time? 579 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:48,400 Speaker 5: Where is it? 580 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 4: When is it? 581 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:53,040 Speaker 5: There's November fourteenth. Tickets dot tonykats dot com. 582 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:56,360 Speaker 6: You can find me on locals at tonykats dot com 583 00:29:56,440 --> 00:30:00,480 Speaker 6: because of course, love the locals, and on on Twitter 584 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:02,880 Speaker 6: x send on Instagram at Tony Katz. I hope you 585 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:04,400 Speaker 6: get to talk to you and thank you Carol for 586 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:04,680 Speaker 6: having me. 587 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,640 Speaker 2: Thank you, Tony, thanks so much for joining us on 588 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:11,160 Speaker 2: The Carol Markowitz Show. Subscribe wherever you get your podcasts.