1 00:00:01,080 --> 00:00:04,240 Speaker 1: Welcome. At his verdict was Senator Ted Cruz Ben Ferguson 2 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:07,400 Speaker 1: with you and Senator the House Oversight Committee revealed that 3 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:12,879 Speaker 1: in two thousand and seventeen, China's State Energy HK Limited 4 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:17,239 Speaker 1: sent three million dollars to a company controlled by family 5 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: associate Robert Walker, who in turn distributed funds to members 6 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:25,600 Speaker 1: of the Biden family. And we now know that the 7 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 1: number of Bidens that are getting money from these transactions 8 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:35,640 Speaker 1: has expanded. House shocked, are you by this revelation? Well, 9 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:38,479 Speaker 1: I'm sorry to say I'm not shocked at all. We 10 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:41,919 Speaker 1: keep seeing every day, every week, more and more evidence 11 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 1: of Biden family corruption and in particular evidence of the 12 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 1: Biden family being in business with the Chinese Communist government. 13 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:52,600 Speaker 1: If you look at it what the House Oversight Committee 14 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 1: has released and what the records show according to that committee, 15 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 1: it starts with the fact that I'm first twenty seventeen, 16 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 1: which is less than two months after Biden Lee's public office, 17 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 1: Robinson Walker LLLC, and this fellow, rob Walker is a 18 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:15,319 Speaker 1: close associate of Biden, receives a three million dollar wire 19 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 1: from State Energy HK Limited, which is a Chinese company. Now, 20 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 1: what does Robinson Walker ll lc do. It then wires 21 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 1: one million, sixty five thousand to a company that is 22 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 1: associated with James Gillier, who is James Gillier. James Gillier 23 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 1: was a business partner of Hunter Biden and was involved 24 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 1: in foreign transactions with a Biden family And what happened 25 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 1: after that? After that, Biden family members in their companies 26 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 1: began receiving incremental payments over a period of approximately three months. 27 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 1: How much were those payments one million, sixty five thousand, 28 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: six hundred ninety two. So to underscore that, the amount 29 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 1: that's transferred to James gill is a million, sixty five thousand. 30 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 1: The amount that then goes to Biden family members is 31 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:09,239 Speaker 1: a million sixty five thousand and an additional six hundred 32 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 1: ninety two dollars. I don't know what the six hundred 33 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 1: ninety two is. So that fact is there that about 34 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:16,799 Speaker 1: a third of the money that apparently came from China 35 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 1: went to the Biden family. But fact number two, the 36 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 1: Oversight Committee mentions is the number of people receiving this 37 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 1: cash has grown. So according to the Oversight Committee, James Biden, 38 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 1: which is Joe Biden's brother, receives some of the money. 39 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:35,919 Speaker 1: Hunter Biden, who we all know, receives some of the money. 40 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 1: And then a new person of interest, Hallie Biden, now 41 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 1: Hallie Biden was the widow of Joe Biden's son Biden, 42 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 1: She receives some of the money. And then there's a 43 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 1: fourth bank account that is identified as an unknown Biden 44 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 1: who also received some of the money. And it's not 45 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 1: clear from what the House is released, and I don't 46 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:03,399 Speaker 1: think they know yet whether this fourth Biden is one 47 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 1: of the three already listed James, Hunter or Halle or 48 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:10,920 Speaker 1: whether it's someone else entirely. But what we now know 49 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 1: is the number of Bidens receiving cash and cash that 50 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:18,360 Speaker 1: appears to be funneled directly from the Chinese Communist government 51 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 1: has grown substantially in the last twenty four hours. The 52 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 1: question that I think so many Americans want to know 53 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 1: right now is, Okay, at what point do we just 54 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 1: call this straight up bribery and corruption. And the reason 55 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 1: why is there's no indication that James Biden and Halle 56 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 1: Biden did business together, and we're talking about legitimate business 57 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 1: or the new person of interest with Hunter Biden and 58 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 1: with the President. And at some point you ask, okay, 59 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 1: are these people doing legitimate businesses or could they even 60 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 1: claim center that they were doing legitimate business when clearly 61 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 1: their resumes are completely different. And you put it Hallie 62 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 1: in there, and the question becomes, at what point do 63 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 1: we just say this is a this is a money 64 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 1: laundering scheme in essence to give it to all the 65 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 1: family members. Well, it certainly looks like it on the face. 66 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 1: I'm not aware of any facts justifying work that that 67 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:21,480 Speaker 1: Hallie Biden might have done for for the Chinese Communist 68 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 1: government or for this Chinese company. Um. You know, Hunter 69 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:29,559 Speaker 1: Biden led the effort to try to get this money 70 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 1: from China, and he received the lion's share of it. 71 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 1: His experience with China seems quite limited other than the 72 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 1: fact that Daddy was vice president and China I believe 73 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 1: thought it was profitable to send money to the Biden family, 74 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 1: including as Hunter Biden's laptop famously says, ten percent for 75 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 1: the big guy, that obviously being Joe Biden. We now 76 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 1: have multiple witnesses who've testified that the big guy was 77 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:04,720 Speaker 1: was Joe Biden. Look, this is similar to an even 78 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 1: greater degree the inference that was raised by Hunter Biden's 79 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:13,839 Speaker 1: working for Barisma and getting over a million dollars for Barisma. 80 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:17,480 Speaker 1: Barisma is the Ukrainian natural gas company. Hunter Biden does 81 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 1: not speak Ukrainian. To the best of by knowledge, there's 82 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:22,600 Speaker 1: no evidence that he does. Hunter Biden did not know 83 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:25,599 Speaker 1: a damned thing about oil and gas, and so it 84 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 1: raised an obvious question, why would a Ukrainian company pay 85 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:31,599 Speaker 1: someone who knew nothing about what they did over a 86 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 1: million bucks? Generally companies don't do that. If you pay 87 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:37,280 Speaker 1: someone a million bucks, you think you're getting something for it. 88 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 1: That raises the inference at the payment. The only thing 89 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:48,119 Speaker 1: Hunter Biden added to the equation was Daddy. That now 90 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 1: is made even more likely by the escalating number of 91 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:56,920 Speaker 1: Biden family members who for the Chinese Communist government. Presumably 92 00:05:56,960 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 1: we're doing even less than Hunter Biden was doing for Barissma. 93 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 1: All of which gets back to something we've discussed on 94 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:08,040 Speaker 1: this podcast before, which is the Department of Justice has 95 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 1: appointed a special counsel that is investigating number one, the 96 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:18,559 Speaker 1: classified documents that Joe Biden had littered around seemingly every 97 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:22,039 Speaker 1: home he owns, and we've talked about in this podcast 98 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 1: before that special counsel's investigation and also the DOJ's investigation 99 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 1: into Hunter Biden that they have leaked vigorously to the press. 100 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 1: Both of those, we will know whether DOJ is shilling 101 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:41,840 Speaker 1: for the White House by answering one question, do those 102 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 1: investigations examined directly corruption by Joe Biden, the big guy, 103 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:52,279 Speaker 1: the president, or do they do everything they can to 104 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 1: shield off the big guy and stay focused on potential 105 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:04,040 Speaker 1: crimes committed own down river Biden family members. 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As part of that jointure, Hunter 142 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 1: received his portion of good faith seed funds, which he 143 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 1: shared with his uncle James and Hallie Biden, with whom 144 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 1: he had he was involved with at a time, and 145 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 1: sharing expenses quote unquote. They're not even saying what the 146 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 1: company would have done. You would assume and you're again 147 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:27,679 Speaker 1: you're you're a lawyer, you would know this. This is 148 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 1: a statement that I think opens them up to even 149 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 1: more problems because they can't tell you what they actually did. Well, 150 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 1: I think that's right, and you would think that they 151 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 1: would want to put their best story forward, They would 152 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 1: want to explain something. And look, I just asked folks 153 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 1: to ask yourself at home, have you ever had anyone 154 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 1: pay you a million bucks? And if so, and there's 155 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:51,200 Speaker 1: some people who have, did you have to do something 156 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 1: for it? I mean, in your experience, do people usually 157 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 1: get paid a million bucks for doing nothing? Now, let 158 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:01,319 Speaker 1: me ask a second question, when was the last time 159 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 1: you got paid a million bucks from the Chinese Communist 160 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 1: government or a company owned and controlled by the Chinese 161 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:11,840 Speaker 1: Communist government. Does that raise a different set of questions? 162 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:14,560 Speaker 1: And on top of that, if you happen to be 163 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 1: Maybe we've got a podcast lister who has received a 164 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 1: million bucks from the Chinese Communist government, although I doubt it, 165 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 1: but if they have, it's worth asking was your father 166 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:26,840 Speaker 1: at the time or had he recently been the Vice 167 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:30,440 Speaker 1: President of the United States and making public policy decisions 168 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 1: directly impacting China at some point, If the Chinese Communist 169 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 1: government is essentially dropping off paper bags filled with rolls 170 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 1: of fresh hundred dollar bills to every Biden family member 171 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:50,559 Speaker 1: they can find, if that doesn't start to look like bribery, 172 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 1: I don't know what does. But I am glad that 173 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:57,559 Speaker 1: the House Oversight Committee is examining this. I'm glad they're 174 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:00,719 Speaker 1: putting out the facts. I assume the core media will 175 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 1: utterly ignore it because the corporate media no longer engages 176 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:06,560 Speaker 1: in journalism. They no longer report on facts. If you 177 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 1: want to learn facts, you have to listen to sources 178 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 1: like this podcast that just lays out the facts. You 179 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 1: can also watch Fox News or Newsmax to get some 180 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 1: of these facts. But I'm going to hold my breath 181 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 1: for CNN or MSNBC or ABC, CBS, NBC to cover 182 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 1: these facts because it's inconvenient to their political narrative. You know, 183 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 1: I pulled this clip up center because it was you 184 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 1: were speaking. It made me remember something that Joe Biden 185 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 1: said in an Axios on HBO interview back in two 186 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 1: thousand and nineteen when he was asked a question about 187 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 1: Hunter Biden. This goes back to Barisma. This goes back 188 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 1: to him on the board, and the President said this. 189 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 1: We now know that his statement here is not accurate 190 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:54,679 Speaker 1: and or correct. Another way of putting is he lied 191 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 1: to listen. I don't know what he was doing. I 192 00:11:57,640 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 1: know he was on the board. I found out he 193 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 1: was on the board after he's on the board, and 194 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 1: that was it. And there's nobody has a lot of time. 195 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 1: Isn't this something you want to get to the bottom of. No, 196 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:09,959 Speaker 1: because I trust my son. I trust my son, Senator. 197 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 1: That's his statement. He said he didn't even know that 198 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 1: he was on the border Barisma until after he was 199 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 1: on the border Barisma. We know from the emails laptop 200 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 1: that's not true. And he basically says, I trust my son, 201 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:23,080 Speaker 1: So everybody else in America should trust us as well. Well. 202 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 1: Now with the Biden family money expanding to these other 203 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 1: people with the last named Biden. How does the present 204 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 1: still stand by that statement, and how damning could that 205 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:36,560 Speaker 1: be if we look at at the actual issue of impeachment. Look, 206 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:39,319 Speaker 1: it can be very damning. And I want to be clear, 207 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 1: there's more than one way that the Chinese Communist government 208 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 1: or Barisma, the Ukrainian Natural Gas Company can funnel cash 209 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 1: to Joe Biden. One way to funnel cash is with 210 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 1: cash going directly to the big guy, directly to Biden. 211 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:58,200 Speaker 1: But another way is just sending cash to various family members. 212 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 1: I know, imagine for a second. You know you've got 213 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 1: little kids, but imagine you had an adult son who 214 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:07,840 Speaker 1: had serious substance abuse problems, who had been a serious 215 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:11,959 Speaker 1: financial drain on your bank account because you were supporting him, 216 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 1: You were having to provide for him. He was a 217 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:17,719 Speaker 1: troubled son, and suddenly a foreign government begins sending him 218 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 1: millions of dollars and taking the burden off you, even 219 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 1: if you never deposit a penny in your own bank account, 220 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 1: removing a burden that you previously had providing for your 221 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 1: troubled son. That is, money is fungible, that that is, 222 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 1: in effect, giving money directly to Joe Biden and it 223 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:40,000 Speaker 1: certainly would have been received, is that. And I'll say 224 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:42,559 Speaker 1: that was a point that was made to me by 225 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:47,439 Speaker 1: someone who was a former very senior official in Washington, 226 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:51,440 Speaker 1: who had served in very senior positions in previous White Houses. 227 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:53,840 Speaker 1: And I think it's a point that is exactly true. 228 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:57,200 Speaker 1: One of the things we know about China, and we 229 00:13:57,280 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 1: know this from our own you know, internal reporting from 230 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:04,560 Speaker 1: the Deep State when they've talked about this, China has 231 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 1: a clear desire to compromise and to have influence over 232 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:13,200 Speaker 1: American policy. We've seen this at the universities that's been 233 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 1: that's come up with a Biden Center, for example. We've 234 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 1: seen this with the money that they've given the Clinton 235 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 1: Foundation to others. But they want influence. And China having 236 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 1: this desire to have influence, you couldn't have hit a 237 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 1: bigger grand slam than this amount of influence over the 238 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 1: most prominent family in American politics right now, in real time. 239 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 1: And that is the other thing. If Joe Biden is compromised, 240 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 1: can you impeach somebody center going backwards, and I'm sure 241 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 1: the Democrats say, well, this stuff happened when he left 242 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 1: the vice presidency. The payments came in after he left. 243 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 1: So there's there's you can't go back and look at 244 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 1: what he did in the past. But if it is 245 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 1: influencing his what he's doing now and what he's saying now, 246 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 1: and he's still doing favors for these countries, now, is 247 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 1: that an impeachable offense. Well, I think that is an 248 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 1: open question, but the Constitution itself is silent on it. 249 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 1: Here's what the Constitution says. Article two, Section four. The 250 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 1: Constitution reads as follows. Quote, the President, vice President, and 251 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 1: all civil officers of the United States shall be removed 252 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 1: from office on impeachment for and conviction of treason, bribery, 253 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 1: or other high crimes and misdemeanors. Now, notably, in that 254 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 1: constitutional text, there's no provision that that is treason, bribery, 255 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 1: or other high crimes or misdemeanors that must have been 256 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 1: committed while in federal office. And ultimately, the interpretation of 257 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 1: whether the crimes had to be while in federal office 258 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 1: would be an interpretation that would fall to the House 259 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 1: and Senate. Now, the way impeachment works, it's the House 260 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 1: of Representatives that brings impeachment. Impeachment is not removing a 261 00:15:57,360 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 1: president from office. Impeachment is the effectively the same thing 262 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 1: as an indictment. An indictment is when a grand jury 263 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 1: returns an indictment, it is bringing charges against you. So 264 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 1: if a majority of the House votes to impeach the president, 265 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 1: then the president is impeached. We've seen in modern times 266 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 1: Bill Clinton be impeached and we've seen Donald Trump be 267 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 1: impeached twice. Both of them were impeached because the majority 268 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 1: of the House voted to impeach them. When that happens, 269 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 1: it then goes to the Senate, and the Senate conducts 270 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 1: a trial for the president of the United States. The 271 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 1: trial is presided over by the Chief Justice of the 272 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 1: United States, and in order to convict, it takes two 273 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 1: thirds of the Senate to convict, and with the case 274 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 1: of Bill Clinton and in both instances Donald Trump, of course, 275 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 1: there were not the two thirds to convict. It is 276 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 1: only upon conviction that a president can be removed from office. Now, 277 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 1: the interpretation of what the scope of the impeachment clause 278 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 1: is is left to the House and Senate. The House 279 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 1: in determining whether to impeach, the Senate in determining whether 280 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 1: to convict. In the most recent presidential impeachments. It's been 281 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 1: a major issue of contention whether the particular misconducted issue 282 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:16,239 Speaker 1: qualified as high crimes or misdemeanors. This podcast launched on 283 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 1: the very first day of the first Trump impeachment that night, 284 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 1: and we've discussed at great length the meaning of the 285 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 1: phrase high crimes or misdemeanors. We did not discuss the 286 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:30,200 Speaker 1: question of whether the conduct could precede the time as president, 287 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:33,119 Speaker 1: but I can tell you it's come up a couple 288 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 1: of times. So Number one John C. Calhoun. So, John C. 289 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 1: Calhoun was Vice president in eighteen twenty six, and at 290 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 1: the time, John C. Calhoun requested that the House conducted 291 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:49,639 Speaker 1: impeachment inquiry regarding allegations that he had profited from a 292 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 1: contract during his tenure as United States Secretary of War. 293 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 1: So it was for conduct that preceded his service as 294 00:17:57,080 --> 00:18:01,360 Speaker 1: vice president. But he asked and his request was granted. 295 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:06,680 Speaker 1: A House Select Committee conducted an impeachment inquiry, and after 296 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:11,880 Speaker 1: several weeks found that Calhoun was innocent of wrongdoing. And 297 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:15,160 Speaker 1: so you might argue, and I suspect if an impeachment 298 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 1: were proceeding, people would use the Calhoun case to argue 299 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:20,719 Speaker 1: on both sides. Some might say, well, the fact that 300 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:24,960 Speaker 1: he was not impeached shows that that perhaps you can 301 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:29,359 Speaker 1: impeach for conduct prior to being in office. Others might argue, well, no, 302 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:31,360 Speaker 1: that just showed that he was innocent of the conduct. 303 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:38,160 Speaker 1: A second example is in nineteen seventy three Spiro Agnew. 304 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 1: So Spiro Agnew was Richard Nixon's vice president and on 305 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:47,879 Speaker 1: September twenty sixth, nineteen seventy three, Spiro Agnew asked the 306 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:53,399 Speaker 1: House again to launch an impeachment inquiry into him, and 307 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:57,160 Speaker 1: that request was denied by the Speaker of the House, 308 00:18:57,240 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 1: Carl Albert Now. At the time, the reason Agnew wanted 309 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:05,920 Speaker 1: the impeachment inquiry was there were charges that he had 310 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 1: received bribes from construction companies during his time as a 311 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 1: Baltimore County executive at his time as governor of Maryland. 312 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:22,040 Speaker 1: And actually, Andrew cited the John C. Calhoun president as 313 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 1: a basis for the impeachment inquiry, and he hoped that 314 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:29,720 Speaker 1: the impeachment inquiry would serve as an alternative to the 315 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 1: grand jury investigation that was ongoing. What ultimately happened was 316 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:40,680 Speaker 1: the grand jury investigation moved forward and on October tenth, 317 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 1: nineteen seventy three, as part of a plea bargain relating 318 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:48,720 Speaker 1: to charges of tax of Asian Vice President Agnew resigned. 319 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:52,120 Speaker 1: So there now, I will say some of the allegations 320 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:55,919 Speaker 1: of corruption concerning Agnew also extended to his time as 321 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:58,919 Speaker 1: vice president. So again I would expect the House and 322 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 1: Senate to argue that precedent on both sides. But the 323 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 1: short answer is the House of Representatives is given the 324 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 1: authority under the Constitution to impeach under whatever circumstances the 325 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:16,360 Speaker 1: House determines meets the standards of high crimes or misdemeanors, 326 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:19,360 Speaker 1: and nothing in the Constitution the text of it, limits 327 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:23,879 Speaker 1: it to only crimes committed while in federal office. Last 328 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:26,200 Speaker 1: question on this, and so many people have thrown around 329 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 1: this word, and I want to be cautious when talking 330 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:31,480 Speaker 1: about it, but I think you can explain what it 331 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 1: actually means and what it's supposed to mean. 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Treeason is actually the only crime 356 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:05,720 Speaker 1: that is defined not just by statute but in the 357 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 1: text of the Constitution. Article three. Section three of the 358 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 1: Constitution provides, quote, treason against the United States shall consist 359 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:21,359 Speaker 1: only in levying war against them, or in adhering to 360 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:26,880 Speaker 1: their enemies giving them aid and comfort. No person shall 361 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 1: be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two 362 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 1: witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in 363 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:40,159 Speaker 1: open court. And so it's the only crime the Constitution 364 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 1: specifically defines leving war against them. Let's take the first 365 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 1: part of that. I think it would be very difficult 366 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:51,679 Speaker 1: to argue that Joe Biden has levied war against the 367 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:54,200 Speaker 1: United States. I think that part clearly would not apply. 368 00:22:55,920 --> 00:23:00,280 Speaker 1: Or in adhering to their enemies giving them aid and comfort, 369 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:03,960 Speaker 1: one could make that argument. I think it would be 370 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 1: a high standard. The long and short of it is, 371 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:11,679 Speaker 1: as as a criminal matter, I think you would be 372 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 1: far more likely to get a conviction for bribery or 373 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:21,359 Speaker 1: official corruption than for treason. The standard for treason is 374 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:27,120 Speaker 1: really really high. But you don't have to prove treason 375 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:33,440 Speaker 1: for impeachment, and bribery is another ground explicitly laid out 376 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:38,000 Speaker 1: in the Constitution for impeachment. So I would say the 377 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 1: more relevant inquiry here is simply the inquiry was Joe 378 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:49,400 Speaker 1: Biden corruptly benefiting in effect being bribed by the Chinese 379 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 1: Communist government and these facts. As you have more and 380 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:56,280 Speaker 1: more Biden family members getting paid substantial sums of money, 381 00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:02,479 Speaker 1: it raises the inference more and more strongly. Final question 382 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:06,200 Speaker 1: on this because it is such an important topic when 383 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 1: it comes to law and not overstepping. We've also had 384 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:13,480 Speaker 1: a lot of people say impeachment, impeachment, impeachment, and we've 385 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:16,920 Speaker 1: seen that and abused when Donald Trump was the president. 386 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 1: With that being said, is there enough here do you 387 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:24,720 Speaker 1: believe for the House with a good conscience to say 388 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:28,640 Speaker 1: we need to go through impeachment or do you think 389 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:31,679 Speaker 1: they still need to wait and see more intel and 390 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:36,879 Speaker 1: more information come out of the Suspicious Activity Report, etc. Well, 391 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 1: I think they need more evidence to successfully impeach the president. 392 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:44,400 Speaker 1: I'm glad the Oversight Committee is engaging in this investigation 393 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 1: of every confidence they will continue engaging in this investigation. Look, 394 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:52,679 Speaker 1: one thing to remember, there's only a vote majority in 395 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 1: the House. Unfortunately, the chances that Democrats would vote to 396 00:24:56,520 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 1: impeach President Biden are very close to zero. They've demonstrated 397 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 1: that they will be hard partisans and holding the entirety 398 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:09,119 Speaker 1: of the House. I believe the first place impeachment should 399 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 1: start is impeaching Alejandro may Orchis for the Secretary of 400 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:17,240 Speaker 1: Homeland Security for his utter dereliction of duty, for his 401 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 1: refusing to follow the law, for his allowing into the 402 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 1: country five point five million illegal immigrants. I think that 403 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 1: should be the first impeachment. I will point out it's 404 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,359 Speaker 1: not even clear the House can get a majority to 405 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:35,040 Speaker 1: impeach him. There are Republicans in the House who are 406 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:37,919 Speaker 1: publicly saying they would be hesitant to do that, and 407 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,159 Speaker 1: so that should be the first starting point. I think 408 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 1: the second starting point should be impeaching Merrick Garland, the 409 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 1: Attorney General. We've talked at great length about how Garland 410 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:50,840 Speaker 1: has been the most political attorney general in our nation's history, 411 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:55,119 Speaker 1: and in fact, if we see DJ refusing to investigate 412 00:25:56,000 --> 00:26:00,679 Speaker 1: the mounting evidence of official corruption against the Lighthouse, that 413 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:05,080 Speaker 1: becomes yet another grounds for impeachment of Garland. If the 414 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 1: evidence continues to build, I think the House should very 415 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:11,720 Speaker 1: seriously consider impeachment of the president, but I think they 416 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:15,160 Speaker 1: need to build more evidence before going forward, because they're 417 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,679 Speaker 1: not going to get the votes if they went forward today, 418 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:20,240 Speaker 1: I don't think they would get the votes. If the 419 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:23,439 Speaker 1: evidence continues to be laid out at some point in 420 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 1: the future, they might. Well. I want to get people 421 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,720 Speaker 1: an update on another story that we talked about and 422 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:31,359 Speaker 1: really broke news on here on Verdict, and that is 423 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 1: you have now moved forward and we played that audio 424 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 1: earlier of the judge, a federal judge that went to 425 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:43,639 Speaker 1: go speak at Stanford and was ridiculed and heckled and mocked, 426 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:47,639 Speaker 1: and it was pretty disgusting. You've now asked Stanford to 427 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:51,680 Speaker 1: punish the students who heckled that federal judge, and you've 428 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:54,600 Speaker 1: also now called for the Texas Bar Association to do 429 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 1: something as well. Give everybody an update on that. Well, sure, 430 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,399 Speaker 1: two follow ups. I've said to let her to Stanford 431 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:05,399 Speaker 1: Law School, asking what steps they intend to take Stanford, 432 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:07,639 Speaker 1: the president of Stanford, the dean of the law school 433 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:12,639 Speaker 1: have publicly apologized. So. Federal Court of Appeals Judge Kyle 434 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,239 Speaker 1: Duncan was invited to speak at Stanford Law School by 435 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,439 Speaker 1: the Federalist Society. He came to speak and a group 436 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 1: of left wing activist Stanford Law students began heckling him. 437 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:25,359 Speaker 1: Began screaming at and began cursing at, and began yelling 438 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:29,959 Speaker 1: obscene insults and expletives at him, and shut down his speech. 439 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:34,639 Speaker 1: And the Dean of d EI at Stanford Law School 440 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:39,000 Speaker 1: came and instead of enforcing Stanford's free speech policy, she 441 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:42,879 Speaker 1: stood up and gave a six minute condescending lecture to 442 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:47,439 Speaker 1: the judge, essentially siding with the protesters and attacking the judge. 443 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 1: And Stanford has already admitted in its written apology that 444 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:56,040 Speaker 1: she was not implementing their free speech policy. She was 445 00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 1: violating that policy. So I've written to Stanford saying, well, 446 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,119 Speaker 1: if you mean to protect free speech, then the question 447 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:05,639 Speaker 1: is what are the consequences? How will you enforce it? 448 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:10,600 Speaker 1: And I've asked Stanford two things. Number one, what will 449 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 1: the disciplinary consequences be for the students who engaged in 450 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,560 Speaker 1: this conduct? And mind you, this is all videotapes, so 451 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 1: you don't need to be a Sherlock Holmes to figure 452 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:23,639 Speaker 1: out who they were. It's all on videotape. They know 453 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:28,119 Speaker 1: who the students are. And number two, I've called on 454 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:31,920 Speaker 1: Stanford to fire this dean, this dean, to have the 455 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:38,560 Speaker 1: school official side with the violent not violent the angry, 456 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 1: profane protesters who were shouting down a several sitting Federal 457 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:48,360 Speaker 1: Court of Appeals judge in violation of Stanford Law School policy. 458 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,880 Speaker 1: I think is and should be a firing offense. And 459 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,200 Speaker 1: if if she gets off with a slap on the wrist, 460 00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,120 Speaker 1: you can be sure this will happen again. This will 461 00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,920 Speaker 1: not be the last time that left wing activist feel 462 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:06,640 Speaker 1: free to shut down events that Look, there were other 463 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:08,960 Speaker 1: students there who wanted to hear what the judge had 464 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 1: to say, and Stanford has yet to respond to my letter. 465 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:16,479 Speaker 1: I expect that they will, but I can tell you 466 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,680 Speaker 1: the dean of the law school has already had a 467 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,840 Speaker 1: bunch of left wing protesters show up outside of her 468 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:31,080 Speaker 1: class dressed in black, dressed like Antifa protesters protesting her. Now, 469 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:33,760 Speaker 1: they did not shout her down and silence her, so 470 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,480 Speaker 1: they have a right to do that. But they are 471 00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:40,080 Speaker 1: already I think, trying to intimidate the dean because she 472 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 1: dared apologize for what happened. And in my view, if 473 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:51,120 Speaker 1: students believe they could engage in this conduct without consequence, 474 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:53,800 Speaker 1: we will see more of it now. I sent a 475 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 1: second letter to the State bar of Texas and The 476 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,680 Speaker 1: letter that I sent to the State Bar of Texas 477 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:07,000 Speaker 1: asks the State Bar to investigate to take any students 478 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 1: who are graduating from Stanford Law School in the years 479 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:15,320 Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, twenty four, two twenty five, and ask 480 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,400 Speaker 1: the students graduating in those years to answer in writing 481 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:22,840 Speaker 1: a very simple question, did they participate in the shameful 482 00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:26,960 Speaker 1: harassment of Judge Duncan on March nine, twenty twenty three. Now, 483 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:29,840 Speaker 1: I would assume the vast majority of Stanford graduates would 484 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:34,440 Speaker 1: answer truthfully, no, I did not participate in that. If 485 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:36,840 Speaker 1: they answer yes, here's what I said in my letter. 486 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:39,200 Speaker 1: I would leave it to the considered judgment of the 487 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:43,720 Speaker 1: Texas Supreme Court and the Texas Board of Bar Examiners 488 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,800 Speaker 1: what the proper remedies should be A remedial training course, 489 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,600 Speaker 1: a letter of apology, or the like for those that 490 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:54,960 Speaker 1: respond in the affirmative. Now, some commentators online have said, well, 491 00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:58,800 Speaker 1: calling for the students to be disciplined, calling for the 492 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:02,480 Speaker 1: dean to be fired, that that censorship, that's cancel culture, 493 00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:04,760 Speaker 1: and let me talk for a minute about why it's not. 494 00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:09,240 Speaker 1: Because it's important understand this number one, a member of 495 00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:13,960 Speaker 1: the bar, that is a unique responsibility. It is something. 496 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:18,200 Speaker 1: Every state has a bar exam. There's an extensive process. 497 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:22,400 Speaker 1: To become an attorney is someone who is admitted to 498 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:25,160 Speaker 1: the bar in the United States at a state, at 499 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,080 Speaker 1: one of the states in the United States. So I'm 500 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:28,600 Speaker 1: a member of the Texas Bar. I'm a member of 501 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 1: the District of Columbia Bar. To be admitted to the bar, 502 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:33,320 Speaker 1: you got to take the bar exam in Texas. It's 503 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,200 Speaker 1: a three day exam. So I sat and took that 504 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:38,280 Speaker 1: three day exam. You have to have graduated from an 505 00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:41,040 Speaker 1: incredited law school. I did that as well. But they 506 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:45,440 Speaker 1: also engage in an examination of character and fitness. So 507 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:49,280 Speaker 1: generally speaking, if you, for example, have a felony conviction, 508 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:54,320 Speaker 1: generally speaking, you can't be admitted to the bar. Remember, 509 00:31:54,360 --> 00:32:00,360 Speaker 1: an attorney is someone who handles client money, who represens 510 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,640 Speaker 1: the interest of a client. And if you're a litigator, 511 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,480 Speaker 1: an attorney's job is to appear in court and represent 512 00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:13,800 Speaker 1: your clients. And so every state bar handles bar admissions 513 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:17,120 Speaker 1: looking to character and fitness. And I got to say, listen, 514 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,600 Speaker 1: if you're just a jerk, if you're an obnoxious protester, 515 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:24,400 Speaker 1: and let's say you come and scream at a random lawyer, 516 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,720 Speaker 1: like the Yale law students did when Kirsten Wagoner, who 517 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,560 Speaker 1: had just won a major religious liberty case, spoke at 518 00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:34,480 Speaker 1: the law school. If you're doing that, that's obnoxious, it's uncouth, 519 00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:37,680 Speaker 1: it's problematic, and it was contrary to Yale's free speech policy. 520 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:44,240 Speaker 1: But it is qualitatively different if you scream at a 521 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:46,440 Speaker 1: public official. If you come scream at me, and I've 522 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,960 Speaker 1: had many protesters scream and curse at me, you know what, 523 00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:52,480 Speaker 1: that's part of being in public life. It is qualitatively 524 00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:58,320 Speaker 1: different if you're screaming and cursing and hurling expletives at 525 00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:04,120 Speaker 1: a federal judge. An attorney owes a duty to the court, 526 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,800 Speaker 1: and whether you like the judge or not, if you 527 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,840 Speaker 1: engage in that conduct at a courtroom, you will be 528 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,760 Speaker 1: held in contempt and they will put handcuffs on you 529 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:17,040 Speaker 1: and send you to jail. There are judges with whom 530 00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:21,160 Speaker 1: I disagree strongly. There are justices on the Supreme Court 531 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,840 Speaker 1: with whom I disagree strongly. I have to say, prior 532 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:29,080 Speaker 1: to what happened at Stanford, I have never once seen 533 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:35,080 Speaker 1: a federal judge treated like that like these law students did, 534 00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:38,360 Speaker 1: and so I think it is an important inquiry for 535 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:43,400 Speaker 1: Stanford Law School if its policy means anything to implement 536 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:47,000 Speaker 1: its policy. And I think it's an important inquiry for 537 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,120 Speaker 1: the state bar I hope, not just of Texas but 538 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,200 Speaker 1: of other states. And let me finally mention another thing 539 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,000 Speaker 1: that the Supreme Court has long said with respect to 540 00:33:55,080 --> 00:34:00,640 Speaker 1: free speech, that you don't have a heckler's veto, which is, 541 00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:04,360 Speaker 1: it was entirely within the rights of the students at 542 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:08,120 Speaker 1: Stanford to protest Judge Duncan or anyone else. And actually, 543 00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:11,080 Speaker 1: if they had stood outside the event, like they stood 544 00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:18,400 Speaker 1: outside the Stanford Dean's con law class and silently protested 545 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:22,440 Speaker 1: his speech, that would have been consistent with Stanford's free 546 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:26,120 Speaker 1: speech policy. But they didn't do that. They tried to 547 00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:30,279 Speaker 1: aggressively disrupt the speech. They succeeded. He was not able 548 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:32,719 Speaker 1: to give the speech he had planned to give. And 549 00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:37,359 Speaker 1: the heckler's veto is someone saying I'm going to prevent you. 550 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,279 Speaker 1: Ben Ferguson, maybe you attended this speech and you want 551 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:43,319 Speaker 1: to hear what the speaker has to say. Somebody else 552 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:46,160 Speaker 1: doesn't have the right to shut down an event, And 553 00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:51,759 Speaker 1: as a heckler say I'm vetoing this person's right to 554 00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,799 Speaker 1: speak and this person's right to hear. That is not 555 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:59,680 Speaker 1: protected free speech. That is disruptive conduct, which is qualitatively different, 556 00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:05,799 Speaker 1: which is why Stanford Law School has a policy that 557 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:10,360 Speaker 1: says you cannot disrupt a speech. And look, the question 558 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,080 Speaker 1: I asked on the pod a couple of days ago 559 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:17,360 Speaker 1: is very simple. If the identical thing had happened, but 560 00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:22,080 Speaker 1: instead of a conservative Court of Appeals judge, it had 561 00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:25,520 Speaker 1: been Sonya sotobayor, or it had been Steve Bryer, it 562 00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:28,000 Speaker 1: had been Ruth Bader Ginsburg when she was still alive. 563 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:34,920 Speaker 1: If students law students had shouted and cursed and yelled 564 00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:40,440 Speaker 1: profane expletives at any of those justices, do you doubt 565 00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:44,359 Speaker 1: for a minute that the students would have faced immediate 566 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,960 Speaker 1: disciplinary reaction, and for that matter, that any dean who 567 00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:52,560 Speaker 1: sided with the students engaging in that conduct would have 568 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,400 Speaker 1: been terminated. I think the odds are one hundred percent. 569 00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:59,040 Speaker 1: And now Stanford can demonstrate whether it actually means what 570 00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:05,120 Speaker 1: its policy says, or whether it in effect condones this 571 00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:10,239 Speaker 1: rather astonishing conduct. It's going to be very interesting to 572 00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:12,520 Speaker 1: see how they respond, or if they respond. It all 573 00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:15,040 Speaker 1: directly to your letter. Will obviously keep vertical listeners up 574 00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:18,439 Speaker 1: to date on that. Finally, Senator three years ago to day, 575 00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:24,080 Speaker 1: everything changed fifteen days is to stop the spread. Right, Well, 576 00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:27,720 Speaker 1: we're now that the three year anniversary of that. 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In states with evidence of community transmission 601 00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:55,280 Speaker 1: bas restaurants, food courts, gyms, and other indoor and outdoor 602 00:37:55,400 --> 00:38:00,880 Speaker 1: venues where groups of people congregate should be closed, should 603 00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:04,560 Speaker 1: be closed there it is three years ago, centator where 604 00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,800 Speaker 1: I mean, I gotta get your reaction to how joyful 605 00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,080 Speaker 1: they see now that day my mentors here, We've got 606 00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:13,120 Speaker 1: all this power, it's amazing, and we're gonna shut down 607 00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:16,239 Speaker 1: everything in this country. And they basically were able to 608 00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:19,480 Speaker 1: do that successfully. Yeah, look, that's exactly right. That was 609 00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:22,520 Speaker 1: Deborah Burkes and Anthony Fauci. That was at a White 610 00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:26,960 Speaker 1: House press conference. And the sort of smug gleeful of 611 00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:30,640 Speaker 1: this in which they're laughing, in which they're they're casually 612 00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:33,960 Speaker 1: you know, he's reading, just shut them all down, shut 613 00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:40,359 Speaker 1: down your businesses, destroy your businesses, not my concern I've 614 00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:43,840 Speaker 1: said before, and I believe Anthony Fauci is the most 615 00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:48,319 Speaker 1: destructive bureaucrat in the history of this country. That the 616 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:53,200 Speaker 1: damage he did to millions of lives, the damage he 617 00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:57,360 Speaker 1: did to millions of children who had their schools shut 618 00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:59,719 Speaker 1: down in many instances for more than a year, and 619 00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:03,040 Speaker 1: who will face serious learning gaps for the rest of 620 00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:06,480 Speaker 1: their lives. And by the way, that disproportionately impacts low 621 00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:11,440 Speaker 1: income kids, African American kids and Hispanic kids who bore 622 00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:16,960 Speaker 1: the brunt of the callous disregard that he implemented, the 623 00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:22,080 Speaker 1: jobs those restaurants and bars that he's referring to, those stores, 624 00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:27,160 Speaker 1: all of the jobs family small businesses that were destroyed, 625 00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:31,360 Speaker 1: many of which never opened again, and he casually flicked 626 00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:35,120 Speaker 1: them away, and not to mention the restrictions that were 627 00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:37,040 Speaker 1: put in place. You know, I think of all of 628 00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:42,000 Speaker 1: the people who all of the seniors who died alone 629 00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:45,200 Speaker 1: because policies were put in place that their loved ones 630 00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:48,440 Speaker 1: couldn't be with them and comfort them. You know. I mean, 631 00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:54,480 Speaker 1: it's just that those are heartbreaking tragedies. And we now 632 00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:59,640 Speaker 1: know that Anthony Fauci was repeatedly lying to Congress in 633 00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:04,200 Speaker 1: the Americ people. He was repeatedly lying about COVID having 634 00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:07,000 Speaker 1: its origins in a Chinese lab. We now have two 635 00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:11,000 Speaker 1: Biden agencies that have concluded it as likely that COVID's 636 00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:14,960 Speaker 1: origins escaped from a Chinese lab. This podcast laid out 637 00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,800 Speaker 1: the evidence for that three years ago. In fact, almost 638 00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:22,360 Speaker 1: exactly the time Fauci and Burkes were doing this press conference, 639 00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:25,839 Speaker 1: Verdict was laying out the evidence that COVID likely came 640 00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:29,720 Speaker 1: from a Chinese government lab. Fauci was more than happy 641 00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:31,880 Speaker 1: to mislead the American people about that. He was more 642 00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:35,719 Speaker 1: than happy to ask big tech to censor information about that. 643 00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:38,239 Speaker 1: He was more than happy to lie to Congress and 644 00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:40,680 Speaker 1: insist that the federal government had not funded gain a 645 00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:45,480 Speaker 1: function research. And he also repeatedly was all over the 646 00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:48,319 Speaker 1: place on policy issues such as whether or not a 647 00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:51,440 Speaker 1: mask is effective in stopping the spread of the virus. 648 00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:54,160 Speaker 1: He had said previously that it wasn't, and then under 649 00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:58,000 Speaker 1: political pressure, he flipped his position. And he was quite 650 00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:01,800 Speaker 1: willing to lie to the American people as the politics dictated. 651 00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:04,799 Speaker 1: And I'll point out when it came to school closures, 652 00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:10,280 Speaker 1: Fauci was also very willing to respond to political pressure 653 00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:13,800 Speaker 1: from the Biden White House and from the teachers' unions 654 00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:17,640 Speaker 1: to keep schools closed and to urge that schools be closed, 655 00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:22,680 Speaker 1: and to urge also that even young children be given 656 00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,920 Speaker 1: the vaccine, to give arguments that we're used in support 657 00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:31,839 Speaker 1: of oppressive and morally wrong COVID vaccine mandates. Three years 658 00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:39,319 Speaker 1: ago today is when they started this high handed, wrongheaded policies, 659 00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,799 Speaker 1: and the country will never be the same because of them, 660 00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:44,680 Speaker 1: no doubt about it. And we're also going to make 661 00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:46,719 Speaker 1: sure that we keep all of you updated on the 662 00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:50,520 Speaker 1: latest breaking news with this hunter Biden and these suspicious 663 00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:52,680 Speaker 1: activity reports as well. So make sure you hit that 664 00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:56,960 Speaker 1: subscribe or auto download button wherever you're listening to this 665 00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,600 Speaker 1: podcast so you do not miss an episode, and we 666 00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,279 Speaker 1: will see you back here in a couple of days.