1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:15,000 Speaker 1: Wow, Hey everybody, It's Wednesday, February fourteenth, Happy Valentine's Day, 2 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:18,440 Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. Welcome to the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast, 3 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 1: where we're still working through our feelings. It's been your 4 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:23,119 Speaker 1: man named G Marcus Grant, joined by Michael f Floorio 5 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 1: and LaQuan Jones. Anything to talk about, guys, anything happened recently? 6 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 2: How was your weekend? I mean, here'sday. For the most part, 7 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 2: it was a good weekend. 8 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:41,159 Speaker 1: I very quietly kind of ducked out to Las Vegas for. 9 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:41,880 Speaker 2: A day or so. 10 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 1: Nice. I did not go to the game. I came 11 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 1: back early Sunday morning. I literally I caught a six 12 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 1: thirty am flight out of Vegas on Sunday morning. Was 13 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 1: back at my home by yeah, eight thirty or so 14 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 1: in the morning. 15 00:00:56,720 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 2: Were you hungover on Super Bowl Sunday? 16 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 1: No, just really really tired. I just really exhausted, But 17 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 1: I kind of hung out. My wife, she was out there. 18 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:10,679 Speaker 1: She came back early. She went to sleep for a 19 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 1: couple of hours. I just kind of was low key. 20 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 1: I was with the kid, didn't do much, just got 21 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 1: ready for the day. My dad and my sister came 22 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:23,400 Speaker 1: over for the game and so like it was. The 23 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 1: day was going really really well up until about I 24 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:31,839 Speaker 1: don't know, six pm Pacific, six thirty pm Pacific. 25 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:34,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, all right. 26 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 3: So we're gonna we're gonna give the floor to you, Marcus. 27 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 3: Have you allowed me this opportunity when the Chiefs victimized 28 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 3: my bills? 29 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 1: The floor is yours. So I'm not mad at what happened. 30 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 1: I'm just hurt. I'm just disappointed the fact that it 31 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: just felt like a series of missed opportunities all day long. 32 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 1: I mean, starting with the very very first drive where 33 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 1: they were moving down the field and carving up that defense. 34 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 1: I mean Christian McCaffrey was ripping off eight nine yard runs. 35 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 1: I mean Brock Purdy was throwing darts. It looked for 36 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 1: all the world that they were gonna walk down and 37 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 1: score a first drive touchdown. Then McCaffrey fumbles, which was 38 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 1: bad and frustrating, but the defense stepped up, stood tall 39 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:23,919 Speaker 1: force to three and out. 40 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:27,079 Speaker 2: You're like, all right, things seem to be okay. Same thing. 41 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 1: Second drive, they're moving the ball, looks like they're about 42 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 1: to do some big things. You get what a false 43 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:35,079 Speaker 1: start on Trent Williams. Then you get a holding on 44 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:37,680 Speaker 1: Trent Williams and suddenly you're looking at second in like 45 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 1: twenty seven or something weird like that, and it just 46 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 1: sort of felt like they couldn't ever consistently get anything going. 47 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 1: And the longer they went without putting touchdowns on the 48 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 1: board points at all, but touchdowns, especially as well as 49 00:02:57,280 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 1: the defense plays, you just knew they couldn't stand up 50 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:02,360 Speaker 1: Mahomes and that offense all day long. 51 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:04,919 Speaker 2: This is before we even get to Dre Greenlawn. 52 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 1: And I'm sick for the guy suffering an Achilles' injury 53 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl. You'll see, you know, when he's 54 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:15,920 Speaker 1: able to come back next season for the Niners. And 55 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 1: so it's just I think I tweeted after the game, 56 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 1: I mean, there were three big things that I think 57 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:24,920 Speaker 1: were the difference in the game. You had the the 58 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 1: missed pat by Jake Moody, which every single Niner fan 59 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:32,800 Speaker 1: was terrified of Jake Moody during that game leading up 60 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 1: to that game, just you know, worried that he was 61 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 1: going to have to make some big kicks he misses 62 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 1: or he has the extra point blocked. The muffed punt 63 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 1: that ray Ray McLeod couldn't fall on, and the Chiefs 64 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 1: pretty much immediately cashed that in for a touchdown. And 65 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 1: the fact that the Niners forced suit turnovers. They had 66 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 1: the Pachaco fumble in the red zone and they got 67 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 1: to Mahomes interception, and both times they went three and out. 68 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 1: I think if any one of those things is different, 69 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 1: the Niners are having a parade today and not the Chiefs. 70 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 1: And that's before you even get to the overtime decision, which, for. 71 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 2: The record, I was fine. 72 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 1: With the overtime the decision to take the ball first 73 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 1: in overtime. Your defense was gassed. It had been giving 74 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 1: up chunk plays to Mahomes and Kelsey, so I don't 75 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:21,599 Speaker 1: know that you wanted to immediately put them back on 76 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 1: the field, So that part I was fine with. What 77 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:28,279 Speaker 1: I would have decided to do. Though is I think 78 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 1: at that point, if you're going to take the ball first, 79 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 1: it becomes four down territory and you are playing for 80 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 1: a touchdown because kicking. 81 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 2: A field goal. 82 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 1: The way Mahomes and the offense had started to get going, 83 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 1: they were destined to score a touchdown. So if you're 84 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:45,559 Speaker 1: going to take the ball first, and the idea being 85 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 1: you wanted to wait until you know that second go 86 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 1: around where it was sudden death. You got to score 87 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 1: a touchdown. You just have to. So them settling for 88 00:04:57,080 --> 00:04:59,599 Speaker 1: a field goal and putting it on the shoulders of 89 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 1: the d fence. Just that's the part that felt like 90 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:06,480 Speaker 1: a bad move, not necessarily taking it first. So I 91 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 1: have gone through kind of a range of emotions. I 92 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 1: pretty much as soon as as Mikole Hartman scored the 93 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:16,839 Speaker 1: touch and I turned it off. I didn't. I didn't. 94 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:17,279 Speaker 2: I didn't. 95 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 1: I watched no post game stuff. I just turned it off, 96 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:21,680 Speaker 1: which is what I do like whenever my team loses 97 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 1: in the playoffs or any championship. I never watched the 98 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:25,279 Speaker 1: post I don't want to see it. I don't see 99 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:27,279 Speaker 1: that a team dancing around. It's like, good for them. 100 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:30,479 Speaker 3: I've yet to watch the Royals twenty fifteen World Series 101 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 3: celebration to this day. 102 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean good for them. Congratulations, you guys won, 103 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 1: you earned, you've earned the right to celebrate. I don't 104 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 1: have to watch it, so I turned it off. 105 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:39,359 Speaker 2: You're not Steph Diggs. 106 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 1: You don't got to stay like I'm not trying to 107 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:44,039 Speaker 1: get But here's the So then I went through a 108 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:48,600 Speaker 1: period from Sunday night until you know, midday on Monday, 109 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 1: where it just felt like I felt emotionally spent. Right. 110 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 1: It was like, do I have this in me to 111 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 1: go through another long season, in another postseason run if 112 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 1: it's going to end in heartbreak? 113 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:04,719 Speaker 2: Right? 114 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 1: And I told myself this Sunday night, like I don't 115 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:09,160 Speaker 1: know if I have anymore, Like maybe I just divorced 116 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 1: myself emotionally. I was when I first started the NFL. 117 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:14,280 Speaker 1: The Niners were bad, and I decided I'm going to 118 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 1: divorce myself emotionally because. 119 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 2: I can't be at work mad all day, like it's 120 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 2: just not gonna work. 121 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 1: Right. I can't be at work upset that they lost 122 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 1: at like ten am and I got to spend the 123 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 1: rest of the day They're just just salty, like that's 124 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:28,479 Speaker 1: not gonna work. So I'm like, do I do this again? 125 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 1: And then I was like no, by the time we 126 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 1: get the training camp, I'm sure I'll be over this. 127 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:36,039 Speaker 1: I'll be back in. But at the same time, you know, 128 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 1: side note, I have also prepared myself for my next 129 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 1: scheduled heartbreak in October, when the Dodgers inevitably let me down. 130 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:45,120 Speaker 1: So I just sort of bottled that feeling and I 131 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 1: remembered it, and I'm like, yeah, Lequan, you are a 132 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 1: new Dodger fanly you just joined right like, but you're. 133 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 2: A Dodger fan. He is now to be now man. 134 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:56,280 Speaker 1: I mean you don't have to be, but I we're 135 00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:58,600 Speaker 1: glad to have you, right So, like, you know, you 136 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 1: show it when Oates and Yamamotos show up, this is great. 137 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:08,279 Speaker 1: So you're new to this, You're you're new to the 138 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 1: whole winning one hundred plus games, you know, from April 139 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 1: to September. Uh, and then flaming out to a division 140 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 1: rival who finished twelve games behind you, Like you don't 141 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 1: know this pain yet. 142 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 2: So yeah, I'll just hold off a little bit. Ben, 143 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 2: Ben wagon is the worst. And I'm not calling you, Ben, 144 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 2: you moved here. 145 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 3: I'm not going but come on, I'm not calling you, 146 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 3: but I'm saying, like I had this conversation with someone 147 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 3: last night, it's almost worse when your team is good. 148 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 2: Because all it leads for is heartbreak. 149 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 3: Like one times a championship, everyone else is going to 150 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 3: be heartbroken. If you don't have expectations, You're like, all right, 151 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 3: my team stinks. I expected that, But when. 152 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 2: When when you're this close, it hurts and it sticks 153 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 2: with you. 154 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 1: It is I mean it is. It is the emotional 155 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 1: energy of going through a long season and getting that 156 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 1: close and coming up empty. 157 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 2: I know what a feeling. 158 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 3: Man. 159 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 1: One of my good friends who's also a Niner fan, 160 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 1: we were texting and he said, you know, he got upset, Yeah, 161 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 1: really upset, and he had apologized to his kid because he, 162 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 1: I guess, you know, may have said some unkind things 163 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 1: to the television. But after the game was over, his 164 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 1: son says, well, Daddy, shouldn't you be happy that they 165 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 1: at least got second place? And he's like, that was 166 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 1: like a kick, and then that's all over. 167 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 2: Second place, second place. 168 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:37,719 Speaker 3: I posted the other day that this podcast has been 169 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 3: personally victimized by Patrick Mahomes, And if you think about it, 170 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 3: what more teams besides the Bills and the forty nine 171 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 3: ers have been bullied by by Patrick mah Like the 172 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 3: forty nine Ers two super Bowls in five years, the 173 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:55,440 Speaker 3: Bills three playoff eliminations in four years, including probably the 174 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 3: most painful playoff elimination he will ever see. I don't 175 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 3: know what Ck Mahomes and the Chiefs beef with this. 176 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 2: Podcast is, but we stuck a little Super Bowl win 177 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 2: right in between there, and we're good to go. 178 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 1: You know what, the Rams, you know what you guys are. 179 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 1: You guys are the Houston Rockets. Oh my god, you 180 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:18,440 Speaker 1: were the Houston Rockets. And look, the Rockets were a 181 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 1: really good team, right Elijahn was amazing. They also got 182 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:24,960 Speaker 1: to the NBA Finals when Michael was off playing baseball, 183 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:28,680 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, And I was like, look, 184 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 1: you guys earned it. Congratulations you won a Super Bowl. 185 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 1: You also, you know, thanks to Joe Burrow, you didn't 186 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 1: have to face the dragon slay or the Dragon. I 187 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 1: guess Joe Burrow is the dragon Slayer. You guys didn't 188 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 1: have to face the dragonmo is the dragon Slay. 189 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:43,840 Speaker 2: That's true. 190 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:49,200 Speaker 3: Thank god that my whole I have one beef with 191 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 3: everything going on right now. Okay, the Mahomes discourse. And 192 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 3: I know I'm gonna sound like a hater, and I admit, 193 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:57,440 Speaker 3: he's the best quarterback in the league. He is the 194 00:09:57,480 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 3: best quarter most talented quarterback my eyes have ever watched. 195 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:05,319 Speaker 3: But the Mahomes discourse is so annoying right now, like 196 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 3: it overlooks the fact that he is the best head 197 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 3: coach in the NFL who Andy Reid was talking about 198 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:13,560 Speaker 3: what we're gonna do when the Super Bowl is in 199 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 3: overtime in the preseason, he has the best secondary in football. 200 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 3: I would say Chris Jones makes me like the reason 201 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 3: that brock Party didn't hit a yuk for a touchdown, 202 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 3: the reason Josh Allen didn't hit Shakir for a touchdown 203 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 3: is because Chris Jones makes a play in the biggest moments. 204 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 3: Travis Kelce makes the plays in the biggest moment. Mahomes 205 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 3: does as well, but it's a whole collect Their GM 206 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 3: is a genius. Like the Chiefs are the best rand 207 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 3: organization in football right now, and I know Mahomes makes 208 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 3: it a lot easier to operate in all of that. 209 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 3: But the way that the coverage is going, you would 210 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 3: think he went out there and beat the forty nine 211 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 3: ers one on fifty three. And to take it a 212 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 3: set from Bradler, people are making me defend Tom Brady. 213 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:03,080 Speaker 2: My team is thirty three and thirty. 214 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 3: Four lifetime against Tom Brady, and I have to go 215 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 3: online and defend this guy. Look, if you're Tom Brady, 216 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 3: you played for twenty two years, you won more rings 217 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 3: than any team has ever won, you rewrite the every 218 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 3: record that that's out there, You retire, and everyone says 219 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 3: you're the goat. One year later they say you got surpassed. 220 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's crazy. What are we doing here? That's says 221 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 2: a long way not right now. 222 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:31,559 Speaker 1: Look, man, he's got Look he's got He's got three 223 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:33,080 Speaker 1: super Bowl titles before the age of thirty. 224 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:34,319 Speaker 2: It's amazing. I guess. 225 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 1: My my take on this is, let's let this thing 226 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 1: play out. I think part of the problem I think 227 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 1: with sports conversations and especially on social media, is that 228 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:54,320 Speaker 1: every game, every season is a referendum on somebody's career 229 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 1: or like it's I mean, look look at look at 230 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 1: Rock Purty on the other side, right, Like he was 231 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:01,200 Speaker 1: either great or terrible. Either people thought he was the 232 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:04,840 Speaker 1: MVP or thought he was trash. And that's why you 233 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:09,200 Speaker 1: got picked last every single game, sometimes from play to play. 234 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:13,079 Speaker 1: That's how people sort of sort of evaluated him, right, 235 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 1: And so now we're at a point where everything that 236 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 1: happens with Patrick Mahomes, every win is is he the 237 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 1: greatest of all time? Look, if for whatever reason, I'm 238 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:27,840 Speaker 1: not predicting this, like let's say the Chiefs somehow flame 239 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 1: out in the first round of the playoffs next year. 240 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:32,719 Speaker 1: Right then it's gonna be, well, he's not as good 241 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:34,679 Speaker 1: as Tom Brady. Tom Brady would have won that game. Right, 242 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:39,840 Speaker 1: It's let's just appreciate who he is right now. Yeah, 243 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:43,440 Speaker 1: let's just watch this greatness. Let's see how far it goes, 244 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:48,200 Speaker 1: and then look another five, seven, ten years from now, 245 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 1: whenever he's done playing whatever, then we can have that conversation. 246 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 2: That's our appropriate time. 247 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 1: But I know that doesn't move Twitter timelines. 248 00:12:57,160 --> 00:12:59,679 Speaker 3: This is the greatest six year run in NFL history. 249 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:02,680 Speaker 3: I'm not I'm not gonna dispute that. I like to 250 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 3: start a career all of that, But to say like 251 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 3: he's on a trajectory to surpass, sure you could say it, 252 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:11,680 Speaker 3: But why would we assume that the next six years 253 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 3: of his career are going to be just as good 254 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:17,080 Speaker 3: as the greatest six year run in NFL history. Like, 255 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 3: it's flawed logic. And eventually Reid's gonna retire and Kelsey's 256 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 3: gonna retire, and they're gonna have to rebuild this thing 257 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 3: a little bit. And look, he's amazing. I have no 258 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 3: problem saying he's the second best ever as of now. 259 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 3: But like I mean, Tom Brady is he's like the 260 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 3: Babe Ruth of NFL. Like you look at his records 261 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 3: and you're like, oh yeah, that'll never be broken. And 262 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 3: his first year out of the league, people are already 263 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 3: saying he's no longer the best. 264 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 2: It's just crazy to me. It's Tiger Woods, right. 265 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:52,560 Speaker 1: Remember Tiger Woods burst on the scene and immediately was 266 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 1: He's going to break all of Jack Nicholas's records, He's 267 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 1: going to destroy golf. He's going to rewrite the record book. 268 00:13:57,400 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 1: And from the beginning of his career it look like that. 269 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 1: Then things happened. There were alliances with you know, waitresses 270 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:09,320 Speaker 1: and hostesses at family restaurants and all sorts of other 271 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 1: things that sort of derailed Tiger's career. And look, when 272 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 1: it's all said and done, Tiger Woods is still going 273 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 1: to have an amazing career. He's still going to be 274 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:17,960 Speaker 1: one of the greatest that ever picked up a golf club. 275 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 1: But it was a long way to Jack and and 276 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 1: you know, things happened, and so who knows what, who 277 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 1: knows what happens with the homes. But I just think 278 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 1: we just sit, We should just sit and appreciate it, 279 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:31,800 Speaker 1: you know. Marvel at it, even if he's you know, 280 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 1: carving up your own team. 281 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 2: There could be multiple goats though, Like I don't know 282 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 2: why people don't go and lean into that conversation. There 283 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 2: could be multiple goats. Don't earn Twitter timelines? Oh goddo 284 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 2: Ronaldo is still playing? There both go to my book, 285 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 2: I mean, go to go to soccer Twitter and say 286 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 2: that right, No, no, no, no, I mean just all 287 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 2: you got to do is say Jordan or Lebron and 288 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 2: then you could close Twitter and. 289 00:14:57,680 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 1: Say, there you go. That's another one. I mean you 290 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 1: might want to just you know, mute conversation. That's all 291 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 1: it might be. The conversation doesn't move if you're like, 292 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 1: both of these guys are equally good and I appreciate 293 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 1: both of their careers, Like that just doesn't work, right, 294 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 1: It just doesn't. 295 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 2: It doesn't draw engagement, It doesn't. Mahomes Brady is gonna 296 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 2: be the NFL's version of Jordan versus Lebron. Yeah, And 297 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 2: I kind of view it simply like Lebron is the 298 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 2: in my opinion, most talented basketball player I've ever seen. 299 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 2: Jordan is the goat. And that's kind of how I 300 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 2: view Mahomes and Brady, right, now, I mean. 301 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 1: For a while, that same thing wash Montana and Brady 302 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 1: for a long time. 303 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 2: And the game is different too from back into so 304 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 2: you have to play that into the factor as well. 305 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:43,560 Speaker 1: The one thing I would say that Joe Montana never 306 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 1: threw us an interception in the Super Bowl, so Nana 307 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:47,479 Speaker 1: and Nana. 308 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 2: All Right. 309 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 1: This went on longer than I anticipated it big, but 310 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 1: I was like it was cathartic because this is the 311 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 1: first time I've really talked about it out loud, Like 312 00:15:56,680 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 1: I really have spent since Sunday night kind of sitting 313 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 1: with my feelings. 314 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 2: And kind of going over it. 315 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 1: I mean kind of just like sitting here in my 316 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 1: garage in the dark, like silly cold coffee and stuff 317 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:09,560 Speaker 1: like that. It's been a sad site. Man. 318 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 3: I've never seen my team in the Super Bowl, so 319 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 3: I can't. It's not an apples to apples, But to me, 320 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 3: the worst part of when the Bills lose each year 321 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 3: is the next week being like, oh, all the joy 322 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 3: that I'm set, Like I should be so excited. 323 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 2: Right now, and that's kind of taken from me, at 324 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:26,880 Speaker 2: least for you. 325 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 3: They play to the absolute final second that they could 326 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 3: have played. Literally Zero's on the clock and over too. 327 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, literally it was. 328 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 1: I also say that I'm glad that we're doing this 329 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 1: pot from home and not in the office because the 330 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 1: worst part is that NFL Network is going to replay 331 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 1: this game pretty much all week. 332 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 2: They're going to show. 333 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 1: Live, so when you look there are a lot of 334 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 1: great things about working for NFL media. One of the 335 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 1: worst is when your team loses in deep in the 336 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 1: playoffs or in the super Bowl and you got to 337 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 1: come to work and it's on all the TVs everyone, 338 00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 1: every TV building, every TV Marcus can attest. 339 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:04,160 Speaker 3: There was even more TVs in the Culver office and 340 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 3: I had to go there for ten hours the day 341 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 3: after the Goals lost to the Chiefs and just sit 342 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:12,440 Speaker 3: there with that that game was on every channel all 343 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 3: and I was just like I was. 344 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 1: The difference, though, is in the cover office, we all 345 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:19,240 Speaker 1: had like individual TVs on our desks, and I'm pretty 346 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 1: sure that I think I think I might have had 347 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:24,440 Speaker 1: mine on MLB network all day, Like I think I 348 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:27,159 Speaker 1: think I had it on any channel but NFL Network 349 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 1: that day because I just couldn't deal with it. All right, 350 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 1: we did plan to talk about other things than just 351 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 1: me lamenting about my team's poor ending in the Super Bowl. 352 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:37,880 Speaker 2: It is. 353 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:41,800 Speaker 1: It is back to draft season again, at least mock 354 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 1: draft season. I know we are slowly slogging our way 355 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:47,119 Speaker 1: through our mock draft, but we wanted to do some 356 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:50,560 Speaker 1: early ADP checks because you know, people are doing drafts 357 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 1: right now. We do have some ADPs forming, so I 358 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 1: wanted to talk about, you know, where we think some 359 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 1: of these guys goes. It's too high, too low, what 360 00:17:57,960 --> 00:17:59,880 Speaker 1: have you. This will be the first of I'm sure 361 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:02,399 Speaker 1: mini between now and the time we get to August. 362 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:04,640 Speaker 1: But also want to start with a couple of quick 363 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 1: news headlines, the first one being the New Orleans Saints 364 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:11,879 Speaker 1: have reached out. They are going to hire San Francisco 365 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 1: forty nine ers passing game coordinator Clint Kubiak to be 366 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:20,440 Speaker 1: their new offensive coordinator. So the coordinator carousel has been 367 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:24,880 Speaker 1: spinning fast and furious since the season ended. So call 368 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 1: Clint Kubiak the new OC there in New Orleans. But Florio, look, 369 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:34,840 Speaker 1: we love Chris Olave. Rashid Shaheed looks like he's blossoming 370 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 1: into a really nice fantasy piece. Alvin Kamara not the 371 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 1: same guy he was, but still occasionally has some juice. 372 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 1: Does any of this matter though? Without a change at quarterback. 373 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 3: Uh, we only have one year of Kubiak as in 374 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:54,000 Speaker 3: oc as well, and he was a little bit more 375 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:58,119 Speaker 3: pass happy than run heavy. But yeah, I don't think 376 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:01,440 Speaker 3: a whole lot changes because we know who the quarterback is, 377 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:03,760 Speaker 3: Like christ o lave, I think will kind of be 378 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:06,720 Speaker 3: what Chris o'lave was last year. He'll have some big games, 379 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 3: he'll have some down games, and there'll be a lot 380 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:11,359 Speaker 3: of us thinking like, well, what if they turned the 381 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 3: reins over to Jameis Winston or something like that, like 382 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 3: that could get the most out of the receivers there. 383 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 3: So the Saints I'm still viewing like I viewed last year. 384 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 3: I like their skill position players a lot. I just 385 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 3: I've never been a Derek Carr guy, and I don't 386 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 3: think he gets the most out of his playoffs. 387 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 2: Is a Derek Carr guy anymore? 388 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 1: Nah. 389 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 2: I definitely agree with Florio though, man, I kind of 390 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:38,200 Speaker 2: feel the same way about the Saints, you know, even 391 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:40,359 Speaker 2: with this addition. I mean, it's good they're grabbing, you know, 392 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:43,239 Speaker 2: from the Shanahan tree like some existence. But you know, 393 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:45,600 Speaker 2: his time with the Vikings in nineteen to twenty one. 394 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:48,359 Speaker 2: You know, with Kirk Cousins, he kind of elevated his 395 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 2: game somewhat, but you know, Justin Jefson definitely helped with that. 396 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 2: So I think, you know, Carr needs to keep the 397 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 2: momentum that he had the last four games. He had 398 00:19:56,280 --> 00:20:00,240 Speaker 2: twelve touchdowns, one interception. So if that momentum continues on 399 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:02,879 Speaker 2: next season with Clint, then you know we might be 400 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:05,679 Speaker 2: seeing some you know, working out. But they need to 401 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:08,640 Speaker 2: add to that offense. I mean, honestly, Chrisio Lovey can't 402 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:10,920 Speaker 2: do it by itself. And I think Michael Thomas has 403 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:14,119 Speaker 2: ran his course. I mean, Shahi Chi he's a big playmaker, 404 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 2: but he's more like a flash in the pan, like 405 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:18,159 Speaker 2: he's not you're all around, you know, wide receiver. So 406 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 2: they got to get some additions in there man free 407 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:23,120 Speaker 2: agency and drafts. Coming home, they got the fourteen pick 408 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 2: in the first round, so they got some options. 409 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:26,920 Speaker 1: They do have some options, although like they're you know, 410 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:30,520 Speaker 1: I don't know what fourteen they're gonna get a game changing, 411 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 1: you know, franchise type quarterback, and I don't know that 412 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:35,640 Speaker 1: they're going to go out and spend uh in free 413 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 1: agency to bring a guy in. So it does sort 414 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:40,720 Speaker 1: of feel like it's the Derek Carr show there, at 415 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:43,119 Speaker 1: least for the foreseeable future in this offense. So it 416 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 1: is about how much can Clint Kubiak sort of remake 417 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:48,960 Speaker 1: this thing as a fantasy quarterback. 418 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 2: Derek Carr is who he is. 419 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 1: I'm not expecting some big, you know, progression, some big 420 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:58,119 Speaker 1: leap that's going to happen just because there's a new 421 00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:01,720 Speaker 1: offensive coordinator. There only request just throw it to Chrys 422 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 1: o'lave as much as you can throw it to him, 423 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:08,679 Speaker 1: you know, one out of at least once a series, right, 424 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 1: once every set of four downs, Chrystal Love should get 425 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:13,879 Speaker 1: a target. That's that's all I can ask for. Maybe 426 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:16,439 Speaker 1: we can throw one in for rashiki heat every so often. 427 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:20,480 Speaker 1: I don't know, I I guess my My expectations for 428 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:24,280 Speaker 1: the Saints aren't much different than they were before the 429 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:27,440 Speaker 1: announcement of Clint Kubiak as the offensive coordinator. 430 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 2: I would like to see Jamis just because it's fun. 431 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:31,200 Speaker 1: I mean, you're not You're not gonna You're not gonna 432 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:34,480 Speaker 1: win anymore with Jamas, Like James is gonna suddenly like 433 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 1: rise up and take you man. But I like fun 434 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:43,919 Speaker 1: and Jamis is fun. So other news, we are still 435 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 1: about a month away from the start of free agency, 436 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:51,119 Speaker 1: but the Bengals reportedly are expected to franchise tag T Higgins. 437 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:54,639 Speaker 1: H Elk, what for you does this mean for guys 438 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 1: like Joe Burrow Jamar Chase with T Higgins coming back. 439 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:00,919 Speaker 2: I mean that's great for them. I mean they have 440 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:03,280 Speaker 2: a solid thing going on over there. He plays a 441 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 2: solid role as the wide receiver two. So I think 442 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 2: this is great for Joe Burrow, you know, for fantasy 443 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:10,480 Speaker 2: obviously he comes back healthy and he can get it 444 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:13,680 Speaker 2: together and Tamar Chase, but I think T Higgins needs 445 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 2: to stick with you know, what's working right now. I 446 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:18,119 Speaker 2: hate for him to, you know, leave and pull a 447 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 2: juju where we think he's a one on another team 448 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 2: and he ends up not being a one, you know, 449 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 2: like the grass isn't always greener. So I think for 450 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 2: all parties involved, I think this is the right move 451 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 2: the franchise tag him because the season he just had 452 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:32,639 Speaker 2: battled injury all season, so it's not like something he 453 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:35,480 Speaker 2: wanted to put on tape to get the big, big 454 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 2: contract that you know, I think he deserves. 455 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:41,919 Speaker 1: I mean, to your point, uh Antonio Brown tried to 456 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 1: warn us about juju. 457 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 2: He did, he did, but he says a lot of things. 458 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:49,200 Speaker 1: Maybe he says a lot of things, but that doesn't 459 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:54,679 Speaker 1: mean he's always right. You're saying enough things, something's going 460 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:55,160 Speaker 1: to be right. 461 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:55,880 Speaker 2: And he was right. 462 00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:59,400 Speaker 3: I I think t Higgins could still Like I'm a 463 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 3: big believe un Te Higgins. I really did want to 464 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:04,879 Speaker 3: see him go elsewhere to see if he can be 465 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 3: that true number one wide receiver, and I think he 466 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:10,119 Speaker 3: can be. I think this is good for Joe Burrow 467 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 3: because we've never seen Joe Burrow without two elite weapons. 468 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:16,480 Speaker 3: So to have those two elite weapons. It's what I 469 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:17,560 Speaker 3: always say that the. 470 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:20,680 Speaker 2: More continuity you get year to year, the less unknown 471 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:24,480 Speaker 2: there is, the less risk. So the Bengals are who 472 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 2: the we thought the Bengals were last year, who they 473 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 2: were the year before. As long as this course stays together, Yeah, 474 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:30,760 Speaker 2: I mean, I think that's the thing. 475 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 1: If te Higgins stays in Cincinnati, we at least know 476 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 1: what we're getting versus T Higgins going somewhere else. And 477 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 1: maybe he is the number one and or as LaQuan said, 478 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 1: maybe he's not, or maybe he's just not the guy 479 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 1: that we thought he could be. But in Cincinnati, we 480 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:50,360 Speaker 1: know how things go. We know how this offense operates 481 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 1: as long as everybody's healthy. So we love consistency, we 482 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:59,280 Speaker 1: love predictability. T Higgins in Cincinnati offers some consistency and 483 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:02,160 Speaker 1: some predictability. All right, we're gonna take a quick break 484 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:04,439 Speaker 1: dive into some of these ADP checks. We'll get through 485 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 1: some quarterbacks, running backs, and the whole host of things. 486 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:10,440 Speaker 1: Stick around with us here on the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast. 487 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:19,159 Speaker 1: So there are plenty of degenerates out there that are 488 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:22,400 Speaker 1: doing fantasy drafts. I say that lovingly because look, man, 489 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:24,400 Speaker 1: I'm in mock drafts. I'm sure at some point very 490 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:27,400 Speaker 1: soon I will probably start doing some drafts on a 491 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 1: certain canine themed website. 492 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 2: I don't know care. 493 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:33,960 Speaker 1: We just underdog, underdog. That's where these things are happening. 494 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:35,960 Speaker 1: That's where these ADPs are from. I don't know if 495 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:37,480 Speaker 1: we can say it out loud, if the if the 496 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 1: black helicopters can get me, well, then I guess I 497 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 1: just wasn't meant to do great things. 498 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:43,119 Speaker 2: Anyway. 499 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:45,880 Speaker 1: We're gonna talk some quarterbacks and running backs real quick. 500 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 1: When it comes to their ADPs. These are some that 501 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 1: I thought maybe either a little questionable or ones that 502 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 1: I wasn't sure about. Ones Gonna get your opinions on 503 00:24:56,640 --> 00:25:00,159 Speaker 1: the first one being Anthony Richardson. Right now, he is 504 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 1: the QB six. Chances are you saw a video of 505 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:06,720 Speaker 1: him sort of soft tossing, taking a warm up throw 506 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:07,720 Speaker 1: a lot. 507 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,119 Speaker 2: Of people in football Twitter. He got really excited about that. 508 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,520 Speaker 1: But he's the QB six. He is one spot ahead 509 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 1: of Joe Burrow. I mean, Florio, are you down with that? So? 510 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:19,480 Speaker 2: I love Anthony Richardson. 511 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:23,400 Speaker 3: I wouldn't mind taking him at this price, but I 512 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 3: this is where we kind of need to rain ourselves 513 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:27,680 Speaker 3: in a little bit. The people who are drafting right 514 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:32,400 Speaker 3: now under Best Ball drafts in February before I've done one, 515 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:38,120 Speaker 3: we're lunatics and we're crazy, and especially in this format, 516 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 3: rushing upside and that's what people target is the upside. 517 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 3: So I understand that Richard. I do think Richardson, if 518 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 3: things break right, because of how good of a runner 519 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 3: he is, he can be better in fantasy than Joe Burrow, 520 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:55,920 Speaker 3: But come August, when all the normal people start drafting 521 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:58,960 Speaker 3: and redraft starts getting drafted, Joe Burrow is gonna go 522 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:00,960 Speaker 3: ahead of Richardson because I think he's a little bit safer, 523 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:04,439 Speaker 3: he's more proven. That being said, yeah, I'm pumped for 524 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,720 Speaker 3: Anthony Richardson. I love that he's already throwing ahead of schedule, 525 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,119 Speaker 3: that he gets this full off season to work with 526 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:13,120 Speaker 3: Shane Siken and the Colts. And I keep saying I'm 527 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:15,960 Speaker 3: more excited about him this year than I was last 528 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:19,159 Speaker 3: year because small sample size, but he's proven he can 529 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 3: run at the NFL level. Shane Siken has proven to 530 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:25,800 Speaker 3: be a great play caller, not just getting the most 531 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:27,960 Speaker 3: set of Gardner Minshew this year, but seeing what happened 532 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 3: to the Eagles offense without him. 533 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 2: Uh. 534 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,440 Speaker 3: And then you add in that I think Drake May 535 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 3: is the only high end quarterback in this year's draft 536 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 3: class younger than him, and he Jj McCarthy is too, 537 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 3: but they're only a couple months younger than Anthony Richardson, 538 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 3: so youth is still very much on his side. 539 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 2: I'm I'm bullish for Anthony Richardson. 540 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 1: I don't know how because you weren't. You weren't with 541 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:51,920 Speaker 1: us on the show when you know this time last year. 542 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 1: I don't know exactly where you fall. 543 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:56,399 Speaker 2: In the Anthony Richardson conversation, ol Q, I am a 544 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 2: fan of him. I just think, you know, it's one 545 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:00,720 Speaker 2: of those things like how Florida's until a little too 546 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,919 Speaker 2: early for these little drafts going on. But I think 547 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:06,360 Speaker 2: QB six, you know, I could see why it's there. 548 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,040 Speaker 2: The rushing upside, he's going to be a red zone nightmare. 549 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 2: I mean just in those four games that he played, man, 550 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,000 Speaker 2: you just see how electric he is on the ground 551 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 2: and through the air. So he has a best of 552 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,520 Speaker 2: you know, the Fourth Worlds and he's just all around score, 553 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:20,920 Speaker 2: you know, and he kind of flashed, you know, some 554 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 2: deep balls. You know, he had three completions of twenty 555 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,200 Speaker 2: plus are yards in those games. He completed half of them. 556 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,720 Speaker 2: So hopefully we can see a lot more than that 557 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 2: to kind of extend his game, to make him more 558 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:34,119 Speaker 2: of a fantasy darling to actually be you know, QB six. 559 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,959 Speaker 2: But I'm a huge fan of and hope that you know, 560 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:39,919 Speaker 2: he gets his recovery back and no setbacks. 561 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 1: This is I think really about the rushing upside, right, 562 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,959 Speaker 1: I Mean, we didn't get a large sample size from 563 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:51,000 Speaker 1: him last year, so while we are optimistic about what 564 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 1: he can be as a passer. 565 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:55,399 Speaker 2: We're still not one hundred percent sure now. 566 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:59,000 Speaker 1: And I was thinking about this because in the course 567 00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:02,119 Speaker 1: of a game, right eighty rushing yards works out to 568 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:06,080 Speaker 1: being about two hundred passing yards, and so I mean 569 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 1: it's the reason that Justin Fields was such a very 570 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:13,359 Speaker 1: good fantasy quarterback. And we've talked about this Florio on 571 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,320 Speaker 1: the show about how if you are not going to 572 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:19,680 Speaker 1: run a lot, and let's face it, Anthony Richardson is 573 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:23,600 Speaker 1: going to run a lot more than Joe Burrow. If 574 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:25,240 Speaker 1: you are not going to run a lot, you have 575 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 1: to be great and efficient as a passer. You have 576 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:32,399 Speaker 1: to have those Aaron Rodgers, you know, thirty five touchdown, 577 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:36,560 Speaker 1: five interception type seasons, whereas if you're going to run, 578 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:41,400 Speaker 1: there's a little more leeway there. I'm still not ready 579 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,520 Speaker 1: to pull the trigger on Richardson ahead of Joe Burrow, 580 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 1: and especially if T Higgins comes back to Cincinnati, which 581 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 1: is what that looks like. I think a healthy Burrow, 582 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:53,400 Speaker 1: you know, he's got two really good wide receivers, and 583 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 1: Jamar Chase and T Higgins. We saw Joe Mixon really 584 00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,560 Speaker 1: contribute to the passing game a lot this last year. 585 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:04,000 Speaker 1: And while no one is going to confuse Joe Burrow 586 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:08,880 Speaker 1: for Josh Allen. He'll get out of the pocket, he'll 587 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 1: run just enough when he's healthy. I mean, this past 588 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:13,760 Speaker 1: year was sort of a wash. I mean, he had 589 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:15,960 Speaker 1: the calf injury and just couldn't really get right. But 590 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 1: the year before, two hundred and fifty seven rushing yards, 591 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:22,920 Speaker 1: five rushing touchdowns. That's not a bad addition to also 592 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 1: throwing for about forty four hundred yards. So I think, 593 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:30,120 Speaker 1: you know, sometimes in our haste and our excitement, we 594 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:32,560 Speaker 1: sort of forget what some of these other guys can 595 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:36,160 Speaker 1: do or who they are. I'm still about Joe Burrow 596 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,040 Speaker 1: life ahead of Richardson. And it's not crazy like if 597 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 1: you take Richesson ahead of Borrow, I'm not gonna, you know, 598 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:47,080 Speaker 1: call you names and poke, point and laugh. Right, It's 599 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:47,840 Speaker 1: just not for me. 600 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:49,600 Speaker 2: That's all. That's it. 601 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,440 Speaker 1: Justin fields at QB ten and Laquhen, I saw that. 602 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,400 Speaker 1: I thought that was really wicked low And I'm just 603 00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:59,720 Speaker 1: wondering if this is the uncertainty of not knowing where. 604 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:01,960 Speaker 2: He's going to to be next year. Yeah, I think 605 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,160 Speaker 2: one hundred percent that's what that is. It's just the 606 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,280 Speaker 2: unknown of what the Bears are going to do on 607 00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:09,280 Speaker 2: draft day. I mean, if Justin Fields get shipped somewhere 608 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:11,440 Speaker 2: where you know, he's not going to be very good. 609 00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,440 Speaker 2: I mean, obviously you're just gonna fade him. But I 610 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,320 Speaker 2: think the uncertainty is why he's at QB ten right 611 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:20,200 Speaker 2: now because clearly everything you said about Richardson, he has 612 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,160 Speaker 2: the rushing upside and hopefully, you know, the Bears make 613 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 2: the right decision in keeping him. That's where I stand 614 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:27,360 Speaker 2: on it. I feel like he could be, you know, 615 00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 2: the franchise quarterback for the Bears if they actually take 616 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:33,040 Speaker 2: the proper steps into building around them, you know what 617 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:35,480 Speaker 2: I mean. So QB ten is like solid right now. 618 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:37,320 Speaker 2: It's still early and may change and may go up 619 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:39,920 Speaker 2: and down, but he's one of those quarterbacks you know, 620 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:42,280 Speaker 2: if you know everybody's going to pass on him. Me 621 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:44,320 Speaker 2: just being me, I'm gonna take him because he has 622 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:45,280 Speaker 2: the rushing upside. 623 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:49,280 Speaker 1: If he, let's just say, Flooryo, he goes to the Raiders, 624 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 1: Getsy is there, he is the offensive coordinator, they would 625 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:56,400 Speaker 1: kind of have a bit of a reunion. Does that 626 00:30:56,440 --> 00:31:00,320 Speaker 1: put him back up, say a top six quarterback? If 627 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,640 Speaker 1: he goes to Las Vegas. 628 00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:06,440 Speaker 3: I think it puts him in that range. I think 629 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,880 Speaker 3: QB ten, even not knowing where he's going to play, 630 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:13,640 Speaker 3: is way too low for Justin Fields because he's wherever 631 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,960 Speaker 3: he gets traded, his legs are also gonna come with him, 632 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:18,920 Speaker 3: so he's still going to be able to run. He's 633 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:20,239 Speaker 3: still gonna be able to put up close to one 634 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:24,640 Speaker 3: thousand yards as a runner. He think back to two 635 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:28,920 Speaker 3: years ago, he was a top five fantasy quarterback throwing 636 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:33,080 Speaker 3: to the bad Saint Brown Brother and Dano Mooney and 637 00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:36,640 Speaker 3: he didn't have DJ Moore and those guys then, and he. 638 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:39,560 Speaker 2: Didn't have anybody. Yeah, he got the job. 639 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:43,920 Speaker 3: Done in probably what was a league worst offensive environment. 640 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:45,920 Speaker 3: He could go to the Raiders, he could go to 641 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,600 Speaker 3: the Falcons, he can go anywhere. And I still think 642 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:50,680 Speaker 3: he's a top ten fantasy quarterback because of what he 643 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 3: does with his legs. So in our mack that we're 644 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,000 Speaker 3: doing right now, I ended up drafting Justin Fields as 645 00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,240 Speaker 3: my quarterback. And if I was doing these early drafts, 646 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,959 Speaker 3: I think QB ten is a by opportunity because I 647 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:05,840 Speaker 3: think almost anywhere he ends up will end up seeing 648 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:07,560 Speaker 3: him go higher than QB ten. 649 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:11,560 Speaker 1: I mean, look if We're talking about drafting Anthony Richardson 650 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:15,720 Speaker 1: ahead of Joe Burrow because of the rushing upside, like 651 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:19,920 Speaker 1: why would why would Justin Fields be so low? I 652 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:21,680 Speaker 1: think that's the hard part for me. 653 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:25,440 Speaker 2: He has less weapons, I think than Anthony Richardson. I mean, 654 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:28,640 Speaker 2: Pittman is a free agent, but you got JT there. 655 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,240 Speaker 2: You know you have promising him downs. I mean, the 656 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,200 Speaker 2: tight ends are stepping up in the Colts offense. So 657 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,720 Speaker 2: it's more so what's built around him and why I 658 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,720 Speaker 2: think Anthony and Richardson goes higher. Justin Fields, we're just 659 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:42,160 Speaker 2: looking at DJ Moore and somewhat Cole Koment. Every other 660 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,800 Speaker 2: week he shows up or whatever. So there's no actual 661 00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:47,440 Speaker 2: building pieces around him. So I completely. 662 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:49,480 Speaker 1: Understand it, all right. I mean, I guess that's fair. 663 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,680 Speaker 3: I mean, if they keep Fields in Chicago, then we're 664 00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:57,280 Speaker 3: probably seeing neighbors or Harrison or someone else end up 665 00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:57,880 Speaker 3: there with him. 666 00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:00,440 Speaker 2: Can you imagine that though? Like that, I would be 667 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,640 Speaker 2: them taking the actual building steps to build around Fields. 668 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,160 Speaker 2: If you get a Marvin Harris junior and you have 669 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,440 Speaker 2: DJ Moore, it's like you have the picks and then 670 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,520 Speaker 2: you have whatever you trade, you know, swap at the commanders. 671 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,600 Speaker 2: That's obviously the dream scenario that I'm thinking, But I 672 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:17,760 Speaker 2: just feel as though, you know, they need to take 673 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,200 Speaker 2: the proper steps of the build around justin field, bliding 674 00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:21,080 Speaker 2: around your quarterback. 675 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,040 Speaker 1: That's that's a wild idea we could imagine. 676 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,440 Speaker 2: We could imagine. The other one that. 677 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:30,240 Speaker 1: Jumped off the page to me, Caleb Williams, the guy 678 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:34,400 Speaker 1: who was the presumptive number one overall pick this this 679 00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:39,000 Speaker 1: draft season. He's a QB sixteen right now. That maybe 680 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,640 Speaker 1: wasn't quite so surprising. I mean, everybody has been raving 681 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:45,120 Speaker 1: about his talent for a couple of years now, waiting 682 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:47,640 Speaker 1: for him to get to the NFL. What was surprising 683 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 1: to me? He's once spot ahead of Jared Goff. I mean, 684 00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:55,720 Speaker 1: golf was what a top seven? He was QB seven 685 00:33:55,800 --> 00:34:00,800 Speaker 1: this year, he was QB ten last year. I don't 686 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:04,120 Speaker 1: expect any major changes in Detroit. I mean, you're still 687 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:07,360 Speaker 1: gonna have aman Ra, You're still gonna have Sam Laporter, 688 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:08,880 Speaker 1: You're gonna have Jamiir Gibbs. 689 00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:13,120 Speaker 2: You're gonna have so many weapons there. LaQuan make it 690 00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:13,640 Speaker 2: makes sense. 691 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:17,160 Speaker 1: Why why is and I love Kleab, but why is 692 00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:18,280 Speaker 1: he once about a heead of Golf. 693 00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:21,759 Speaker 2: I don't know that. I think that's incorrect there. I 694 00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:23,919 Speaker 2: think that's more so just the hype of his name 695 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,839 Speaker 2: and everything he's done in college. But me personally, if 696 00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,239 Speaker 2: he's a Bear, I'm not interested. I don't agree with 697 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,880 Speaker 2: that above Jared Golf. I mean that's gonna be an 698 00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:33,839 Speaker 2: issue for me because how many times you're gonna see 699 00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,279 Speaker 2: this story play out in Chicago. I mean, they can't 700 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,560 Speaker 2: get it right at quarterback. They can't develop a quarterback. 701 00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:40,680 Speaker 2: I mean they have Shane Waldron there now, which you 702 00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:42,960 Speaker 2: know he has that kind of magic touch he kind 703 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,680 Speaker 2: of had. Jack Golf played his best season career high 704 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,200 Speaker 2: to this day twenty eighteen with Jared Golf under Shane 705 00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:51,440 Speaker 2: Walder and QB passing coordinator and stuff. So I feel 706 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,240 Speaker 2: like they have somewhat the right steps in the position 707 00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,239 Speaker 2: to develop a quarterback. But Cale doesn't need development. He 708 00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,400 Speaker 2: needs a plug and play with Cliff. That's just my 709 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:02,640 Speaker 2: dreams and era there. But I can see why people 710 00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:04,880 Speaker 2: are like, oh, Kayla Williams above Derek Goff. No, I'm 711 00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,000 Speaker 2: going to take the safe bet here with Jared Golf 712 00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:09,560 Speaker 2: over Kaylen Williams. If Cale Williams ends up the bear. 713 00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:12,680 Speaker 1: I mean, this feels like a dynasty sort of thing, 714 00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,480 Speaker 1: right Florio. They just be like the dynasty folks are 715 00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,359 Speaker 1: in early and so like, you know, look, Caleb has 716 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,640 Speaker 1: a longer runway than Jared goff is. That's all I 717 00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:21,759 Speaker 1: can really think of here. 718 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:28,080 Speaker 2: But in what city? That's the problem, that's the huge problem. 719 00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:29,839 Speaker 2: It's the shiny new toy thing. 720 00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,040 Speaker 3: People always want to be first on a player in 721 00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:35,200 Speaker 3: fantasy and stuff, and Jared Goff is who we know, like, 722 00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,800 Speaker 3: Jared Goff isn't going to be a top five fantasy 723 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,600 Speaker 3: quarterback or anything like that. Like he's a low end 724 00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:44,520 Speaker 3: QB one, I would say, And and people tend to 725 00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,040 Speaker 3: kind of be like, oh, well, this guy's a boring veteran. 726 00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,000 Speaker 3: I want to go with this shiny new toy. This 727 00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:51,960 Speaker 3: might come off as a hot take, and I can 728 00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:52,520 Speaker 3: change this. 729 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,959 Speaker 2: I'm here for it. You might not love this one. 730 00:35:56,080 --> 00:36:01,200 Speaker 3: I think rookie year for fantasy purposes, Jayden Daniels is 731 00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:03,520 Speaker 3: the rookie quarterback you want to take because he's going 732 00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:06,160 Speaker 3: to be the one putting up numbers with his legs, 733 00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:07,520 Speaker 3: not Caleb Williams. 734 00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:09,799 Speaker 1: I don't think that's a hot take. I think that's 735 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,959 Speaker 1: a fair take. The thing about Jayden Daniels I would 736 00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,919 Speaker 1: be concerned about is again landing spot for him, right 737 00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:18,640 Speaker 1: because a lot of the early box have him going 738 00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:22,400 Speaker 1: to New England and that's a rough spot. 739 00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:25,759 Speaker 2: Spot. It's rough, and. 740 00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:28,680 Speaker 1: I mean right because I mean you've got a whole 741 00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:30,799 Speaker 1: change in coaching staff. I don't know how much of 742 00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,000 Speaker 1: a change in philosophy necessarily you're going to have with 743 00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:35,280 Speaker 1: Gerrod Mayo there as the head coach, but it definitely 744 00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:38,960 Speaker 1: an entire change in coaching staff and one of the 745 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:43,640 Speaker 1: worst wide receiver rooms in the NFL, so he is 746 00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:44,480 Speaker 1: going to have to run a lot. 747 00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:44,680 Speaker 2: Now. 748 00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:48,160 Speaker 1: The other thing about Jayden Daniels that worries me. I 749 00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:50,959 Speaker 1: don't know how many Jade and Daniels highlight reels you've seen. 750 00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:57,520 Speaker 1: That dude takes some wicked hits, just wicked hits. It 751 00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:00,200 Speaker 1: scared me in college. It's going to scare me a 752 00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:04,040 Speaker 1: lot more in the NFL. He's getting Like it's like, 753 00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:06,320 Speaker 1: I you know, I would see so many of his 754 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:09,920 Speaker 1: highlights or so many plays from him in college at 755 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,160 Speaker 1: LSU in so many of the tweets, like the reply 756 00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:17,000 Speaker 1: would be sonic getting all the rings knocked out of him, like, 757 00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:20,560 Speaker 1: that's that's what That's what it looked like a lot 758 00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,600 Speaker 1: of times when he was getting hit. That's a rough 759 00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:26,600 Speaker 1: way to go. That's all I'm saying. All right, let's 760 00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:27,840 Speaker 1: get over to this to some running backs. I got 761 00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:29,440 Speaker 1: a couple running backs here real quick before we take 762 00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:33,120 Speaker 1: a quick break. Kyen Williams the RB five, one spot 763 00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:35,719 Speaker 1: ahead of Jonathan Taylor. I'm going to go to you, 764 00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,600 Speaker 1: Flora on this one because we know what you know 765 00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:41,279 Speaker 1: the ram the guy in the Ramilly is going to 766 00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:45,400 Speaker 1: say about Kyrien Williams at five. I love what he 767 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:47,560 Speaker 1: did this year. It was amazing to watch. He made 768 00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:52,200 Speaker 1: cam Akers expendable. I worry that Sean McVay and Les 769 00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:54,480 Speaker 1: snead are going to add some running back help and 770 00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:56,319 Speaker 1: he's not going to get the volume of touches that 771 00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:57,719 Speaker 1: he did this year. 772 00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:00,279 Speaker 2: That's why I don't know that I could take him 773 00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,360 Speaker 2: I head of Jonathan Taylor. Yeah, I think it makes sense. 774 00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:07,839 Speaker 3: I think Kian Williams is one of the players that 775 00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:12,360 Speaker 3: has the most to potentially lose this offseason because if 776 00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,080 Speaker 3: they don't bring anyone in or anyone significant in. He's 777 00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:16,480 Speaker 3: a top five fantasy running back. 778 00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:17,120 Speaker 2: But if they. 779 00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:22,320 Speaker 3: Do, then there's concerns there. I when I did early rankings, 780 00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,879 Speaker 3: I had Kyron ahead of Jonathan Taylor because of his 781 00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:26,879 Speaker 3: past game usage and the fact that I think he's 782 00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:28,479 Speaker 3: on a little bit of a better offense and Sean 783 00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:31,200 Speaker 3: McVay loves force feeding his RB one, as Lakwan will 784 00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:33,960 Speaker 3: tell you. But the more I think about it, the 785 00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:36,840 Speaker 3: more I'm like, Taylor might not have the pass catching 786 00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:40,640 Speaker 3: numbers that Williams puts up, but man him and Anthony 787 00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:43,920 Speaker 3: richardson running the option. It's why I was so bullish 788 00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,520 Speaker 3: on each of them last season, and it's gonna suck 789 00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:46,879 Speaker 3: me in. 790 00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:51,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I like Kien Williams. 791 00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:52,560 Speaker 2: I'm just worried about it. 792 00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:54,120 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. You're the Ram fan here. 793 00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:55,960 Speaker 1: Do you believe they're going to go and add somebody 794 00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:56,560 Speaker 1: this offseason? 795 00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:58,920 Speaker 2: Run? Absolutely? As the Rams fan. They draft a running 796 00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,279 Speaker 2: back every year, that's just what they do. They kind 797 00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:02,360 Speaker 2: of want to play it safe. 798 00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:06,080 Speaker 3: Will it be like a Round five Just listen. I 799 00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:07,959 Speaker 3: know they've had a lot of success in Round five, 800 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,000 Speaker 3: but is it like a Day three pick? Because that's 801 00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,680 Speaker 3: a little different than than a significant investment. 802 00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:15,640 Speaker 2: It'll be like a Day two is three pick, but 803 00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,600 Speaker 2: they're adding a running back. I mean they saw, you know, 804 00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:22,080 Speaker 2: the production just go down, down, down once he got hurt, 805 00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:25,160 Speaker 2: and like he's building up a nasty little injury history, 806 00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:26,640 Speaker 2: you know, if we're really looking at it in the 807 00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:29,759 Speaker 2: first two seasons. So knowing McVeigh, he's going to stay ready. 808 00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:31,600 Speaker 2: So he had to get ready. So they're definitely going 809 00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:33,200 Speaker 2: to bring a guy. It may not be a veteran. 810 00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:35,359 Speaker 2: I don't want them to bringing a veteran, honestly, he'd 811 00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:37,600 Speaker 2: just be in the way. I just feel like they're 812 00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:39,720 Speaker 2: going to draft somebody you on that can really step 813 00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,719 Speaker 2: up ads to number two, or they'll just call Darrel 814 00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:46,480 Speaker 2: Henderson back and he's out there, he's, you know, happy 815 00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:49,560 Speaker 2: birthday to him, heavy belated. But I just feel like 816 00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:52,680 Speaker 2: they're going to add a guy, so surprisingly not, I 817 00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,839 Speaker 2: would take JT over Kyrin to be honest, because I'm 818 00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,880 Speaker 2: really excited for the Anthony richardson JT combination because we 819 00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:00,880 Speaker 2: didn't really get to see it at all last season. 820 00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,279 Speaker 2: I mean, once Anthony Richards got hurt, that's kind of 821 00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:06,280 Speaker 2: when JT came back, So it's like, I'm really excited 822 00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:08,680 Speaker 2: for that. That's going to be something to watch. So 823 00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,840 Speaker 2: I'm going to take JT. Being that Anthony Richison is 824 00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:13,400 Speaker 2: going to be moving the change, You're gonna have a 825 00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:15,560 Speaker 2: lot of scoring opportunities and not saying the Rams or not, 826 00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:17,920 Speaker 2: but I just feel like JT he could take it 827 00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:19,840 Speaker 2: to the house at any point. 828 00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:22,520 Speaker 1: Of the field, I think offensively, I think these two 829 00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:26,239 Speaker 1: offenses in terms of their production will look fairly similar, right. 830 00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:29,960 Speaker 1: I don't know that one is significantly ahead of the 831 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:31,719 Speaker 1: other in terms of its ability to move the ball 832 00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:35,239 Speaker 1: in terms of its ability to score points. So it 833 00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,759 Speaker 1: really is for me just a matter of watching and 834 00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:40,360 Speaker 1: waiting to see what the Rams do in their backfield. 835 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,880 Speaker 1: I don't know that Williams gets much higher than RB five, 836 00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:49,120 Speaker 1: but if they add somebody else, and depending on who 837 00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:52,040 Speaker 1: that person is, how much jews that happy person has left, 838 00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:54,120 Speaker 1: he could fall quite a minute. 839 00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:57,040 Speaker 2: He can fall because I've actually seen Breece Hall in 840 00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:00,759 Speaker 2: conversation too there in the mix of that little Williams 841 00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:03,360 Speaker 2: and JT situation there in mock drafts. So wait that 842 00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:07,160 Speaker 2: low really because I RB two Yeah, yeah, that's what 843 00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:09,800 Speaker 2: I like. At like four or five in mock drafts 844 00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:12,600 Speaker 2: that I've been in recently. So it's like I can 845 00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:16,480 Speaker 2: see Breese Hall jumping overall like JT and kyrone. 846 00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:18,560 Speaker 1: Yeah no, I mean right now, a lot of what 847 00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:22,600 Speaker 1: I'm seeing is CMC one and Breeze Hall two. Uh, 848 00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:24,239 Speaker 1: and then you know the rest of everybody else can 849 00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:27,440 Speaker 1: fight it out. He figured it out that behind the 850 00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:28,399 Speaker 1: two of them for real. 851 00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:28,960 Speaker 2: Uh. 852 00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:30,440 Speaker 1: The other running back I want to talk about is 853 00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:33,399 Speaker 1: Raheem Moster. He is the RB twenty seven and look, 854 00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:36,880 Speaker 1: I get I get that. You know, we're all agreed 855 00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,520 Speaker 1: that he is not going to duplicate what he did 856 00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:43,000 Speaker 1: this past season. Right, twenty one touchdowns for Raheem Moster, 857 00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:49,840 Speaker 1: that that feels, if not impossible, highly improbable, right. I 858 00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:52,920 Speaker 1: mean we're talking about a guy who had a career 859 00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:57,879 Speaker 1: total of nineteen rushing touchdown nineteen total touchdowns, I should say, 860 00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:02,480 Speaker 1: uh before the season. So in one year, he more 861 00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:05,200 Speaker 1: than doubled his career touchdown total and it's not gonna 862 00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:08,680 Speaker 1: happen again. I'm not gonna happen again. But he's also 863 00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:14,160 Speaker 1: going twenty spots behind Devon h Chan. I don't know, man, Flooral, 864 00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:15,880 Speaker 1: I just feel like these guys should be maybe a 865 00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:18,280 Speaker 1: little closer. I get taking eight han ahead of Moster, 866 00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,920 Speaker 1: but twenty spots difference when they're both gonna have to 867 00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:23,240 Speaker 1: occupy space in the backfield. 868 00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:25,120 Speaker 2: That feels like a large, large gap. 869 00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:30,879 Speaker 3: It is, but I kind of understand it because one 870 00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:33,960 Speaker 3: there's concern about Moster are just falling off because he's 871 00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,680 Speaker 3: gonna be thirty two years old coming off of a 872 00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,640 Speaker 3: career high in touches after he had already been coming 873 00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:42,120 Speaker 3: off of a career high in touches. But to me, 874 00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:46,040 Speaker 3: it's not even about Moster. It's just about how excited 875 00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:49,040 Speaker 3: I am to see Devon Chan in a larger role. 876 00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:52,520 Speaker 3: And the concern with him coming in was like does 877 00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:56,400 Speaker 3: he have this size to to withstand a full workload? 878 00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,000 Speaker 3: And I know it's different doing it for a couple 879 00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,719 Speaker 3: of games and for seven team games, And we saw 880 00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:05,040 Speaker 3: that happen with Alexander Madison. Great in spots, not great 881 00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:07,319 Speaker 3: when he is the guy for a full season. So 882 00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:09,600 Speaker 3: maybe the concern and the wear and tear for a 883 00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:13,200 Speaker 3: chen is there. But in the limited sample size we have, 884 00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:16,400 Speaker 3: he got better in games where he got fed the 885 00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:19,160 Speaker 3: ball and he is so explosive he can catch the 886 00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:24,200 Speaker 3: ball in the backfield, Like I think h Chen not 887 00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:27,080 Speaker 3: saying he's gonna get twenty touchdowns, but I think he 888 00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:29,719 Speaker 3: has the upside to be a league winner kind of. However, 889 00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:32,200 Speaker 3: he Moster did this past year, and I think that's 890 00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:34,799 Speaker 3: why people are pulling him up the board. It's not 891 00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:37,640 Speaker 3: I wouldn't. I think it's more about the excitement for 892 00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:40,000 Speaker 3: a chan than it is of being like, I want 893 00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:42,279 Speaker 3: nothing to do with Mostard. I just think people see 894 00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:44,840 Speaker 3: that he set the record for yards per carry and 895 00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,440 Speaker 3: just how explosive he is, and you're like, Okay, now 896 00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:49,200 Speaker 3: you put that with Tyree Kill and Jalen Wattle and 897 00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:50,920 Speaker 3: Mike McDaniel for a full season and. 898 00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:52,240 Speaker 2: He could be the RB one. 899 00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:54,120 Speaker 1: Is it weird though, that that yards per carry thing 900 00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:55,920 Speaker 1: is a little bit of a red flag. Maybe it's 901 00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,920 Speaker 1: like a pink flag, a light red flag or something 902 00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:03,560 Speaker 1: like that, just because seven point eight yards per carry, right, 903 00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:05,840 Speaker 1: that's the insane number. 904 00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:06,520 Speaker 3: Uh? 905 00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:09,560 Speaker 1: And does he you know you mentioned Alexander Madison. Does 906 00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:11,600 Speaker 1: he give us a little bit of Tony Pollard if 907 00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:14,640 Speaker 1: suddenly he gets a bigger workload right where he's not 908 00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,960 Speaker 1: ripping off these forty fifty sixty yard plays anymore, and 909 00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:20,600 Speaker 1: suddenly that's seven point eight yards becomes a lot more 910 00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:23,560 Speaker 1: human looking, like you know, three point seven three point eight, 911 00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:29,000 Speaker 1: you know, and when you figure Moster, it's not completely 912 00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:31,719 Speaker 1: going away in that backfield. And maybe they even know 913 00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,839 Speaker 1: sprinkle in another a third person somewhere along the line. 914 00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:36,799 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's Jeff Wilson or you know, 915 00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:39,759 Speaker 1: they just find somebody else. Savon Ahmed hangs around there 916 00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:42,800 Speaker 1: or something like that, just to take a couple of touches. 917 00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:48,839 Speaker 1: I just worry that we are getting way hyped. And 918 00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:51,960 Speaker 1: I think he's good. I just, you know, I feel 919 00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:54,440 Speaker 1: like there should be a smaller g Look. Last year, 920 00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:55,919 Speaker 1: I was a guy who's like, let's say Raheem Moster 921 00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:59,280 Speaker 1: because he's gonna be the best value. I didn't again, 922 00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:01,839 Speaker 1: I didn't think anti one touchdowns was coming from him, 923 00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:04,920 Speaker 1: but uh, it just seemed like the best value in 924 00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:07,799 Speaker 1: a backfield that didn't have a ton of clarity last year. 925 00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:10,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's good at football, though, by the way, he 926 00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:11,239 Speaker 2: is very good. 927 00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:15,080 Speaker 1: Not gonna deny that, all right, I could take one 928 00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:17,799 Speaker 1: more quick break. We'll come back talk some wide receivers 929 00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:20,160 Speaker 1: and tight ends. We didn't do some rookies as well. 930 00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:23,160 Speaker 1: That's coming up next on the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast, 931 00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:33,400 Speaker 1: diving into some early underdog ADPs because a lot of 932 00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:35,920 Speaker 1: Usikos out there are drafting and God bless you for it. 933 00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:39,720 Speaker 1: Let's talk some wide receivers here. And I stayed away 934 00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:43,040 Speaker 1: from Lakwan when we talked about Kyd Williams. I'm going 935 00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:46,200 Speaker 1: to against my best judgment, come right to you for 936 00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:48,080 Speaker 1: Poka Nakua. He's at wide receiver six. 937 00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:51,000 Speaker 2: I love one spot. That's exactly where he needs to 938 00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,000 Speaker 2: be at. That's a full send for me, just based 939 00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:55,719 Speaker 2: on I love everything that he's going to be doing 940 00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:58,440 Speaker 2: for this offense going into his second year with Sean McVay. 941 00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:01,319 Speaker 2: Even if one of AJ Brown and Garrettill Yes, well 942 00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:07,760 Speaker 2: Garrett Wilson, oh see, I feel the opposite. I'm stuck 943 00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:10,480 Speaker 2: there that that's that's a good one right there, because 944 00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:14,480 Speaker 2: I've actually seen where I can swap them. But Pook Kakoua, 945 00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:17,719 Speaker 2: you're gonna feel really really good getting him as your 946 00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:20,239 Speaker 2: wide receiver one in that first round. I really feel 947 00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:22,080 Speaker 2: as though you're gonna get a guy that's going to 948 00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:24,080 Speaker 2: see a ton of volume, a ton of production, and 949 00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:27,480 Speaker 2: he's a score, He's he be utilized anywhere on the field. 950 00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:29,640 Speaker 2: So it's like you got a guy that McVeigh is 951 00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:33,000 Speaker 2: really excited about. Cooper Cup still there, He's still going 952 00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:36,799 Speaker 2: to be the number one distraction on that offense. You're 953 00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,120 Speaker 2: not gonna let Cooper Cup get open on man man. 954 00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:42,000 Speaker 2: You're not gonna let Cooper Cup fly solo to double Pookah. 955 00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:44,200 Speaker 2: So therefore you're gonna get a ton of ton of 956 00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:46,960 Speaker 2: volume to Pooka Nakua. So if you're looking at one 957 00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:48,960 Speaker 2: hundred and something targets, that's what you're gonna get with 958 00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,319 Speaker 2: Pooka Koua and maybe even Cooper Cup. I mean, we 959 00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:54,680 Speaker 2: saw this happen in Charlotte Vay's offense. I mean you 960 00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:57,359 Speaker 2: look at it with Robert Woods and Cooper Cup back 961 00:46:57,400 --> 00:46:59,400 Speaker 2: then they both had one hundred plus targets and we 962 00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:01,680 Speaker 2: almost had and Cooks had a thousand yards. He almost 963 00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:04,360 Speaker 2: had three wide receiver have one thousand yards. So obviously 964 00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:07,800 Speaker 2: sel Sarl mcvay's system with wide receivers is going to 965 00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:10,000 Speaker 2: work very well for you in fantasy as long as 966 00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:11,000 Speaker 2: they all stay healthy. 967 00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:13,480 Speaker 1: Who's the wide receiver one in Los Angeles? 968 00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:16,799 Speaker 2: One A, one B. You got a Cooper Cup pook So. 969 00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:18,560 Speaker 1: Then why isn't Cooper Cup going ahead of Pooka. 970 00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:21,840 Speaker 2: Naka Because the injury history and the age it's starting 971 00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:24,440 Speaker 2: to pile up. He's starting to have a little nasty 972 00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:26,880 Speaker 2: back end of his career with these nasty injuries. The 973 00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:29,520 Speaker 2: high ankle sprain is what really destroyed him, you know, 974 00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:32,280 Speaker 2: And I really feel as though now he comes back healthy, 975 00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:35,279 Speaker 2: he'll probably draw it back. He doesn't he doesn't need 976 00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:37,319 Speaker 2: to beat a superstar anywhere. He doesn't need to put 977 00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:39,640 Speaker 2: his body on the line. He's going to show up 978 00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:41,839 Speaker 2: do his job, and that's more so what his role 979 00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:45,799 Speaker 2: would be. All Right, I'll take a J. Brown over him. 980 00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:50,200 Speaker 1: I did take a J. Brown over him, and ar 981 00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:53,200 Speaker 1: Mock I took a J. Brown and I believe seven. 982 00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:54,799 Speaker 1: I think it was or eight. I think I'm at eight. 983 00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:58,799 Speaker 1: And then Bob Harris took Pooka. I think one or 984 00:47:58,800 --> 00:47:59,920 Speaker 1: two spots right after. 985 00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:03,040 Speaker 3: Going after AJ Brown and ahead of Garrett Wilson, because 986 00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:06,120 Speaker 3: I think Garrett Wilson's concerns are his quarterback is forty 987 00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:09,720 Speaker 3: coming off with Tony Killes, if you go, if anything happens, 988 00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:12,839 Speaker 3: Sarn Rodgers, we know what happens to Garrett Wilson here 989 00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:16,359 Speaker 3: with the Jets, whereas AJ Brown and Puka stats were 990 00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:20,040 Speaker 3: almost identical. But Brown's done this multiple years in a row. 991 00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:23,120 Speaker 3: And I love Pooka, you guys know that. But my 992 00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:25,319 Speaker 3: thing with early round picks is I want to take 993 00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:28,319 Speaker 3: as little risk as possible, and I think AJ Brown 994 00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:29,840 Speaker 3: is just a little bit safer right now. 995 00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:34,239 Speaker 1: So looking at the splits last year when Cooper Cup 996 00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:38,960 Speaker 1: was there, Puka averaged three fewer targets per game, thirty 997 00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:42,839 Speaker 1: fewer receiving yards per game, about three fewer catches per game, 998 00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:47,920 Speaker 1: six fewer fantasy points per game. That's a significant drop 999 00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:49,800 Speaker 1: off over the course of the season. 1000 00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:51,839 Speaker 2: True, the numbers don't lie. 1001 00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:56,279 Speaker 1: You know, men lie, women lie. Numbers don't lie. I 1002 00:48:56,600 --> 00:49:00,399 Speaker 1: just that's that's the part that makes me scared about. 1003 00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:03,120 Speaker 1: Like we've seen a J. Brown eat with or without 1004 00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:06,880 Speaker 1: DeVonta Smith. We saw Garrett Wilson have a hell of 1005 00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:10,920 Speaker 1: a year playing with Zach Wilson and Tim Boyle and 1006 00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:14,799 Speaker 1: whomever else there in New York. Buka was awesome. He 1007 00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:17,480 Speaker 1: was very good with Cooper Cup. He was amazing without 1008 00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:22,200 Speaker 1: Cooper Cup. I want I want something closer to amazing. 1009 00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:24,799 Speaker 1: If I'm making him the wide receiver six, I want 1010 00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:28,720 Speaker 1: it closer to amazing than pretty good. And that's my worry. 1011 00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:32,600 Speaker 2: I think it could get better in Philly because this 1012 00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:34,640 Speaker 2: is Lakwalin's boy. They brought in Kellen Moore. 1013 00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:39,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's I think that's gonna be a 1014 00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:41,480 Speaker 1: big talking point this offseason two about what Kellen Moore 1015 00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:43,520 Speaker 1: is gonna do with this offense, how pass happy it's 1016 00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:46,520 Speaker 1: going to be. I think Jalen Hurts is you know 1017 00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:48,600 Speaker 1: all right now? I think he's QB two, which makes 1018 00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:51,440 Speaker 1: a lot of sense. He's a score, he's a scorer. 1019 00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:54,120 Speaker 1: And yeah, and exactly if Jason Kelsey comes back and 1020 00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:56,960 Speaker 1: I have another year that brotherly shove and I think 1021 00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:00,480 Speaker 1: that that's gonna work out. Well, here's one that really 1022 00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:04,000 Speaker 1: blew me away. Nico Collins is the wide receiver nine. 1023 00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:07,760 Speaker 1: Did I miss something about Tank Dell Florio? 1024 00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:10,560 Speaker 2: Did he retire? And I didn't hear about it? 1025 00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:11,399 Speaker 1: No? 1026 00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:14,480 Speaker 2: And the thing is, I don't know if you guys 1027 00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:15,400 Speaker 2: saw this video or not. 1028 00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:17,880 Speaker 3: CJ Stroud last week at Radio Row, I forget, I 1029 00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:20,680 Speaker 3: forget what show he was on or whatever, but they 1030 00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:24,680 Speaker 3: asked him to build his ideal offense in the NFL today. 1031 00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:28,280 Speaker 3: He picked as his wide receivers for the outsides Davante 1032 00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:32,239 Speaker 3: Adams and Jamar Chase. His slot receiver was Tank Dell, 1033 00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:36,160 Speaker 3: and people were like, where's Nico on this list? And look, 1034 00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:39,280 Speaker 3: Nico Collins is awesome. I think Tank Dell is awesome. 1035 00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:41,560 Speaker 3: I've said it before. I think both are top twenty 1036 00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:45,880 Speaker 3: wide receivers. Pending them not bringing in another wide receiver 1037 00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:50,000 Speaker 3: because they do have some money this offseason. I'm just 1038 00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:53,399 Speaker 3: probably gonna take whichever one is cheapest. And there's no 1039 00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:56,799 Speaker 3: big analysis into that. But if Nico Collins is going 1040 00:50:56,800 --> 00:51:00,040 Speaker 3: wide receiver nine and Tank Dell is going two rounds. 1041 00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:03,440 Speaker 2: Later, I just would rather that value. That's a no brainer. 1042 00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:07,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a no brainer, A no brainer. I just 1043 00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:11,040 Speaker 1: I like Nico Collins. Making him a top ten wide 1044 00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:12,400 Speaker 1: out just feels. 1045 00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:15,160 Speaker 2: That's crazy, that's too high. And I've been a huge 1046 00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:17,160 Speaker 2: fan of Nico for the past couple of seasons. But 1047 00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:19,959 Speaker 2: I can't pull the trigger there, man, even though both 1048 00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:22,040 Speaker 2: of them like I got something here, and the nine 1049 00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:25,160 Speaker 2: games they played together, they both averaged sixteen Fantasy points 1050 00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:29,680 Speaker 2: per game together, and they legit in those games, two 1051 00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:32,759 Speaker 2: more Fantasy points than Nico has Tank Dell, so they 1052 00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:35,160 Speaker 2: both can coexist. So I don't know if I could 1053 00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:37,399 Speaker 2: pull the trigger that high though, at wide receiver nine 1054 00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:39,760 Speaker 2: for Nico with Tank Dell there as well. 1055 00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:43,360 Speaker 3: Producing laquantumy, I'm wondering if you might not have this 1056 00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:44,920 Speaker 3: in front of you or not. And I know they 1057 00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:47,680 Speaker 3: averaged the same, but my memory, at least, it felt 1058 00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:48,800 Speaker 3: like it was always one. 1059 00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:51,680 Speaker 2: Or the other week to week, like it exactly. Yeah, 1060 00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:55,040 Speaker 2: So they can both co exist, but it's one or 1061 00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:57,120 Speaker 2: the other. So I really feel as though the value 1062 00:51:57,120 --> 00:52:00,279 Speaker 2: here is obviously Tank. I'm taking Tank if he's three 1063 00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:03,520 Speaker 2: rounds later. Absolutely. I love Nico, but I can't spend 1064 00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:04,200 Speaker 2: that price. 1065 00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:08,080 Speaker 1: A zero chance I can make the I just if 1066 00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:09,959 Speaker 1: you would tell me that to name you my top 1067 00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:14,279 Speaker 1: ten receivers for for next season, you could give me 1068 00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:16,359 Speaker 1: fifty chances to make the list. I don't know that 1069 00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:20,919 Speaker 1: Nico Collins makes the list ever, either would Tank, Like no, 1070 00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:22,160 Speaker 1: that's the thing. If you wouldn't with. 1071 00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:25,320 Speaker 3: These two, I'd be saying, give me Nico, yeah exactly, 1072 00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:27,439 Speaker 3: this is yeah, And it's just. 1073 00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:29,960 Speaker 1: It's not it's not about the players themselves. I think 1074 00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:30,960 Speaker 1: they're both good players. 1075 00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:31,239 Speaker 2: I think. 1076 00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:34,319 Speaker 1: I think the Texans have a fun offense that I'm 1077 00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:36,120 Speaker 1: looking forward to watching for the next couple of years. 1078 00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:37,880 Speaker 2: But I don't see either. 1079 00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:40,640 Speaker 1: One of them being top ten fantasy receivers right now. 1080 00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:44,640 Speaker 1: That gets been one. So I I started this by 1081 00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:47,520 Speaker 1: looking at where Marvin Harrison Junior was right. He's currently 1082 00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:49,600 Speaker 1: a wide receiver eleven, and I started just kind of 1083 00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:51,760 Speaker 1: scroll down and seeing where some of the other top 1084 00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:57,000 Speaker 1: ranked prospects are. So Marvin Harrison is at eleven, Leak 1085 00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:59,960 Speaker 1: Neighbors is at twenty two, Romo Doonze is at thirty three. 1086 00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:02,720 Speaker 2: Sort of convenience. It's all, you know, double numbers or whatever. 1087 00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:06,840 Speaker 1: And you know, in the mid draft we're doing, I 1088 00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:11,440 Speaker 1: mean we saw Marvin Harrison go fairly early. I took Neighbors. 1089 00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:14,720 Speaker 1: I think a Dounsay went just after, not long after Harrison. 1090 00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:18,200 Speaker 1: I took Adonzay in round four or five. I believe 1091 00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:20,399 Speaker 1: I'm not looking at it right now, but somewhere around there. 1092 00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:25,400 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know how much you guys have 1093 00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:29,520 Speaker 1: dived into, you know, prospect video or evaluations just yet, 1094 00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:31,719 Speaker 1: but when you you know, Harrison's the guy we've been 1095 00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:33,920 Speaker 1: talking about for a couple of years now. Neighbors and 1096 00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:36,320 Speaker 1: Odonze have really built a name for themselves over the 1097 00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:39,200 Speaker 1: past year or so. But at this point eleven, twenty two, 1098 00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:43,200 Speaker 1: thirty three, lookw on flag planting, wish casting or are 1099 00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:45,960 Speaker 1: people right on this? Uh? 1100 00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:48,680 Speaker 2: Still early? They might be right, I mean just based 1101 00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:50,680 Speaker 2: on we don't know where these guys are going. I mean, 1102 00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:53,239 Speaker 2: we could look at mock drafts, you know, projections and 1103 00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:56,600 Speaker 2: stuff like that. But I feel like I feel comfortable 1104 00:53:56,719 --> 00:53:59,320 Speaker 2: with Marvin Harris junior wide receiver eleven because we know 1105 00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:02,000 Speaker 2: he's a generation talent and we know wherever he goes, 1106 00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:05,439 Speaker 2: he's the guy. Like, there's no other question. He's going 1107 00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:08,160 Speaker 2: to be fed. There's no way you draft him for 1108 00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:11,160 Speaker 2: him to be a two or three or anything else. 1109 00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:13,880 Speaker 2: He is going to be fed. Now when Malik Neighbors 1110 00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:16,160 Speaker 2: at twenty two, I like it. I mean, he could 1111 00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:18,400 Speaker 2: be a nice little at a piece. He's a big man, 1112 00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:21,000 Speaker 2: a big player, but you know, a Dooonday seems like 1113 00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:23,560 Speaker 2: the value here because I feel like he's going to 1114 00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:25,960 Speaker 2: be an all around weapon where you could utilize him 1115 00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:27,839 Speaker 2: anywhere on the field, so he may go to an 1116 00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:30,360 Speaker 2: offense as a solid two. You know, and then be 1117 00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:32,080 Speaker 2: able to get some nice things going. 1118 00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:37,040 Speaker 1: How much are you waiting, Floria, or are you drafting 1119 00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:39,799 Speaker 1: rookie wide receivers now or are you preferring to wait 1120 00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:41,800 Speaker 1: until they actually have a home somewhere. 1121 00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:44,480 Speaker 3: No, I would be taking them right now. And in 1122 00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:46,319 Speaker 3: our mock, I just pulled it. I was the one 1123 00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:49,600 Speaker 3: who took Harrison in round three. The other two both 1124 00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:54,200 Speaker 3: went in round five. It's something I talked about a lot, 1125 00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:57,000 Speaker 3: a lot after this season. Is like, you look at 1126 00:54:57,360 --> 00:55:00,880 Speaker 3: this year, just this year, Pokin Nakul, the wide receiver 1127 00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:04,839 Speaker 3: for you had. Jaden Reid was a top twenty five 1128 00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:08,000 Speaker 3: wide receiver. Jordan Addison was a top twenty five wide receiver. 1129 00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:12,759 Speaker 3: Zay Flowers just missed that. And the thing was last 1130 00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:16,280 Speaker 3: year's wide receiver class was quote unquote a bad wide 1131 00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:20,560 Speaker 3: receiver class, whereas this one is generational. We've seen for 1132 00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:23,759 Speaker 3: years now rookie wide receivers can come on and make 1133 00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:27,600 Speaker 3: an immediate impact. I mean, we've seen some historic rookie 1134 00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:32,120 Speaker 3: years in recent years. So yes, landing spot is going 1135 00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:34,839 Speaker 3: to determine their ADP a whole bunch, But right now, 1136 00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:37,719 Speaker 3: I feel like, because of the unknown, you're getting a 1137 00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:40,520 Speaker 3: discount baked in on them already a little bit. It's 1138 00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:42,920 Speaker 3: possible they could fall a little bit further, but it's 1139 00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:45,720 Speaker 3: also very possible they get pulled up the board even higher. 1140 00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:49,399 Speaker 3: So I have no problem. In fact, I actively would 1141 00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:52,680 Speaker 3: be trying to take rookies now because if they fall 1142 00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:54,400 Speaker 3: to the right spot, they're gonna go. 1143 00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:59,240 Speaker 2: And like Marvin Harrison Junior, look a lot could change 1144 00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:02,440 Speaker 2: in tune half months, but I feel pretty confident today 1145 00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:04,600 Speaker 2: saying he's going to be Kyler Murray's wide receiver one 1146 00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:04,960 Speaker 2: next year. 1147 00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:08,000 Speaker 1: So now that's now that that right there, I think 1148 00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:10,960 Speaker 1: you hit on the key, right Where does he go? 1149 00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:15,319 Speaker 1: Because the two spots that he's being mocked to a 1150 00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:18,239 Speaker 1: big canyon in what production could be because if he 1151 00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:21,120 Speaker 1: goes to Arizona, I think you absolutely lock him in 1152 00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:23,600 Speaker 1: and I think that bumps Kyler Murray up the board 1153 00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:24,080 Speaker 1: as well. 1154 00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:26,640 Speaker 2: Yes, sir, he could go to New England. 1155 00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:30,040 Speaker 1: That's the other spot in which in which in which case, 1156 00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:35,560 Speaker 1: who's throwing football? You know, like you need a quarterback first, 1157 00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:39,800 Speaker 1: who's throw if if if MHJ lands in New England, 1158 00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:41,320 Speaker 1: who is throwing him the football? 1159 00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:45,080 Speaker 2: Is it mac Jones? Is it Bailey? ZAPPI is it, 1160 00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:50,160 Speaker 2: I don't know who do they Jones right side Jameis 1161 00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:51,640 Speaker 2: Winston at that point, and just. 1162 00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:54,120 Speaker 1: I mean do they do they do they try to 1163 00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:56,840 Speaker 1: reunite with Jimmy Garoppolo, bring him back to New England 1164 00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:57,880 Speaker 1: and see if they can run. 1165 00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:01,520 Speaker 2: It back that way nostylogia right. 1166 00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:03,239 Speaker 1: I mean, I think that is going to play a 1167 00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:07,200 Speaker 1: big key in what happens with with Marvin Harrison's draft project. 1168 00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:09,400 Speaker 2: But for now, people are definitely, I think, planting a flag. 1169 00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:13,719 Speaker 1: And I think you know Mike Dempsey, who he and 1170 00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:15,880 Speaker 1: Bob Harris do a great show on Sirius XM. I 1171 00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:18,480 Speaker 1: was talking with him last week, and I thought Dempsey 1172 00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:20,560 Speaker 1: made a good point in that I think a lot 1173 00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:22,680 Speaker 1: of people right now are just sort of planting the 1174 00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:24,760 Speaker 1: flag and just proving that, hey, look these guys are 1175 00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:26,560 Speaker 1: worth taking and kind of showing that you're gonna have 1176 00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:29,200 Speaker 1: to go early if you want any. 1177 00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:31,360 Speaker 2: Of these top level wide receivers. 1178 00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:34,960 Speaker 1: So we'll see how things change between now and say July, 1179 00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:38,480 Speaker 1: once we know where these guys land. A couple of 1180 00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:41,200 Speaker 1: tight ends real quick. Tray McBride at tight end three, 1181 00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:44,640 Speaker 1: one spot ahead of Mark Andrews, I know McBride was 1182 00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:47,560 Speaker 1: very good. Kyler looked like he was getting back into 1183 00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:51,000 Speaker 1: shape last year, Florida. Are you cool with McBride at three? 1184 00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:55,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if Andrews climbs a little bit. 1185 00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:59,160 Speaker 3: But I keep saying it to me, there's four tight 1186 00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:01,640 Speaker 3: ends this year that I think are the clear cut 1187 00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:05,320 Speaker 3: top four in Laporta, Kelsey McBride. 1188 00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:05,640 Speaker 2: And Andrews. 1189 00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:08,240 Speaker 3: And I think it'll be one of those things where 1190 00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:11,240 Speaker 3: like you could look at ten different sets of rankings 1191 00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:13,440 Speaker 3: and they could each person could have them in a 1192 00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:15,520 Speaker 3: little bit of a different order or something like that. 1193 00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:18,560 Speaker 3: I don't think there's a wrong answer. I McBride was 1194 00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:21,400 Speaker 3: awesome on the yards per route ram basis, he's gonna 1195 00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:23,960 Speaker 3: get a little bit more help we hope, at the 1196 00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:27,920 Speaker 3: wide receiver position, and then Kyler being healthy and all that. 1197 00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:30,640 Speaker 3: So yeah, I don't think it's crazy. I just don't 1198 00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:33,440 Speaker 3: think there's a definitive like you have to have these 1199 00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:34,720 Speaker 3: four tight ends in this order. 1200 00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:38,040 Speaker 1: I think I think one and two are set right. 1201 00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:40,000 Speaker 1: I think Laporta's gonna be one and right now there's 1202 00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:43,080 Speaker 1: a pretty sizable gap between where Laporta is going and 1203 00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:45,160 Speaker 1: where Kelsey is going, but those are your one two. 1204 00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:48,120 Speaker 3: I think after that it's sort of close. Now that 1205 00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:50,240 Speaker 3: Kelsey said he's not retiring. 1206 00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:52,440 Speaker 1: I think I don't know. I think I think a 1207 00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:56,640 Speaker 1: lot of people are still big on Laporta more so 1208 00:58:56,680 --> 00:58:57,040 Speaker 1: than Key. 1209 00:58:57,080 --> 00:58:58,200 Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong. 1210 00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:02,320 Speaker 3: He's my tight end one, but I think people I 1211 00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:04,400 Speaker 3: think the fear that he might retire might have scared 1212 00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:05,720 Speaker 3: a little some people off. 1213 00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:06,480 Speaker 2: Maybe. 1214 00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:11,040 Speaker 1: I think after that, though, like you know where you go, three, four, five, six, 1215 00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:14,800 Speaker 1: I think you could probably go any number of orders. 1216 00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:15,680 Speaker 1: You know. 1217 00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:17,640 Speaker 2: Definitely sad that we're not gonna see t J. 1218 00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:20,240 Speaker 1: Hawkinson for much of the year after his injury came 1219 00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:28,640 Speaker 1: so late in the season. Here Tyler Higby, Yeah, same guy. 1220 00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:33,120 Speaker 2: Crazy? Wait, I'm sorry what the same guy that injured 1221 00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:34,800 Speaker 2: t J. Hockinson injured? Oh? 1222 00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:36,040 Speaker 1: I thought you were trying to say that t J. 1223 00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:38,200 Speaker 1: Hawkinson and Tyler hid were the same player. And I 1224 00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:40,120 Speaker 1: was like, I was like, this might be the. 1225 00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:41,320 Speaker 2: Last time you're on this show. 1226 00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:45,480 Speaker 1: Different but say, I was like, wait a minute, Okay, 1227 00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:49,040 Speaker 1: I'm glad we got that cleared up. Okay, cool. But 1228 00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:51,280 Speaker 1: the other signing name that I think is going to 1229 00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:54,360 Speaker 1: be what the hype train has already left the station. 1230 00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:55,920 Speaker 2: Uh, get on board. 1231 00:59:55,960 --> 01:00:00,200 Speaker 1: We're gonna start shoveling coal into the engine regularly is 1232 01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:06,560 Speaker 1: brock Bowers because this man destroyed college defenses for three 1233 01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:11,440 Speaker 1: seasons and we're coming off as we're coming off a 1234 01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:16,720 Speaker 1: year where the tight end one was a rookie, where 1235 01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:18,920 Speaker 1: you had other young tight ends. 1236 01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:21,320 Speaker 2: Look, Dalton Kin kid is a good player. 1237 01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:23,800 Speaker 1: He had the misfortunate of having to share a role 1238 01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:26,800 Speaker 1: with Dawson Nots, which sort of kept his production down. 1239 01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:29,760 Speaker 1: But we've seen a lot of young tight ends go 1240 01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:32,000 Speaker 1: out and be productive. I still think there's hope for 1241 01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:34,320 Speaker 1: a guy like Michael Mayer in Las Vegas to go 1242 01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:38,080 Speaker 1: out and be productive. Brock Bauers, in terms of being 1243 01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:43,360 Speaker 1: a prospect, is ahead of where all those guys were landing. 1244 01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:46,360 Speaker 1: Spot's going to be important. But right now he's at 1245 01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:49,000 Speaker 1: tight end seven. I mean, lakwan, does it stay there? 1246 01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:51,840 Speaker 1: Does it get higher as we get toward the you know, 1247 01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:52,360 Speaker 1: the summer? 1248 01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:55,080 Speaker 2: Oh, it'll get higher once we find out where he's going. 1249 01:00:55,160 --> 01:00:56,760 Speaker 2: And if he's going where I think he's going, if 1250 01:00:56,760 --> 01:00:58,840 Speaker 2: he's going to the Chargers, it's definitely going to rise. 1251 01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:02,240 Speaker 2: I mean after seven and you basically have like guys 1252 01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:05,080 Speaker 2: that you can be okay with. But the dude is talented. 1253 01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:08,400 Speaker 2: I literally just got done watching highlights of him. This 1254 01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:12,600 Speaker 2: dude is going to be amazing for Fantasy because, man, 1255 01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:16,160 Speaker 2: this dude can break tackles, contested catches. This dude is 1256 01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:19,040 Speaker 2: an overall playmaker. He's basically a wide receiver. He's like 1257 01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:21,720 Speaker 2: Trade McBride if I could make the comp I really 1258 01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:24,200 Speaker 2: feel like those two are guys that are weapons that 1259 01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:27,680 Speaker 2: could just take over the game at any point. So 1260 01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:29,080 Speaker 2: there's the thing about him going to the Chargers. 1261 01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:34,360 Speaker 1: Ah, Yes, he easily surpasses Gerald Everett, right, he makes 1262 01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:35,720 Speaker 1: Gerald Everett expendable. 1263 01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:37,880 Speaker 2: They can move on without him. 1264 01:01:38,560 --> 01:01:43,600 Speaker 1: I worry will these targets be there with Greg Roman 1265 01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:47,920 Speaker 1: and Jim Harbaugh running the show offensively? Like, maybe they 1266 01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:50,120 Speaker 1: won't be as run heavy as they have been in 1267 01:01:50,120 --> 01:01:53,240 Speaker 1: the past, but that is their mol when they are together, 1268 01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:56,320 Speaker 1: they send to run the football a lot. I mean, 1269 01:01:56,360 --> 01:01:59,040 Speaker 1: it's the reason that when they hired Greg Roman, we 1270 01:01:59,160 --> 01:02:00,440 Speaker 1: all sort of pour went. 1271 01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:01,560 Speaker 2: Out for Justin Herbert. 1272 01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:06,600 Speaker 1: And how much is that going to impact Zay brock 1273 01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:09,480 Speaker 1: Bauers if he shows up there in Los Angeles? 1274 01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:13,000 Speaker 2: That is the only thing I am worried about. 1275 01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:15,920 Speaker 1: But in terms of just prospects, yeah, brock Bawers is 1276 01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:17,960 Speaker 1: gonna be a guy that I'm gonna try to draft. 1277 01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:19,320 Speaker 1: It's gonna be different. 1278 01:02:20,120 --> 01:02:22,400 Speaker 2: Last year, you were able unless you were. 1279 01:02:22,360 --> 01:02:24,680 Speaker 1: In the league with super sharps or people who super 1280 01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:28,280 Speaker 1: study college players. You could draft Sam Laporta really late, 1281 01:02:28,520 --> 01:02:30,880 Speaker 1: right like and I like Sam Laporta. I drafted him 1282 01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:32,560 Speaker 1: late and a lot of drafts and it turned out 1283 01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:34,320 Speaker 1: that he was the best tied end on my roster. 1284 01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:36,200 Speaker 1: You're not going to be able to do that with 1285 01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:39,320 Speaker 1: brock Bowers. You can't get brock Bowers in round fifteen. 1286 01:02:39,600 --> 01:02:40,440 Speaker 1: It's not gonna happen. 1287 01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:42,360 Speaker 2: No, absolutely not. 1288 01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:45,440 Speaker 1: I mean where right now, right right now? Where do 1289 01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:46,760 Speaker 1: you think brock Bauers is going Floria? 1290 01:02:46,840 --> 01:02:49,000 Speaker 2: What nine? Ten? 1291 01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:50,680 Speaker 1: Me earlier? 1292 01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:55,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, I could definitely see something like that, like 1293 01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:56,800 Speaker 3: eight through ten range. 1294 01:02:57,360 --> 01:02:59,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna say eight too. I don't think 1295 01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:00,480 Speaker 2: it's crazy. 1296 01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:03,520 Speaker 3: Not only like the Laporta thing last year, but in 1297 01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:08,000 Speaker 3: five of the best twelve rookie fantasy tight end seasons 1298 01:03:08,040 --> 01:03:10,520 Speaker 3: in terms of fantasy total fantasy points have come in 1299 01:03:10,560 --> 01:03:14,000 Speaker 3: the last six years, like the whole rookie tight ends 1300 01:03:14,040 --> 01:03:17,840 Speaker 3: can't produce. It's not true anymore. You just need to 1301 01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:20,600 Speaker 3: know the title. Like, Yeah, if you're blocking tight end, 1302 01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:22,480 Speaker 3: you're not going to produce here one. But if you're 1303 01:03:22,560 --> 01:03:25,720 Speaker 3: a almost a wide receiver type tight end like brock 1304 01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:29,440 Speaker 3: Bowers is uh. I think that disguise the limit. The 1305 01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:32,960 Speaker 3: only thing that maybe hurt his stock, and I'm sure 1306 01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:35,040 Speaker 3: you guys have seen it, is this picture of him 1307 01:03:35,040 --> 01:03:37,840 Speaker 3: going around social media where he looks like he's an 1308 01:03:37,880 --> 01:03:38,760 Speaker 3: accountant and. 1309 01:03:39,080 --> 01:03:44,160 Speaker 1: Like a like a coder, like you should be sitting 1310 01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:46,320 Speaker 1: in front of a computer with like a giant thing 1311 01:03:46,360 --> 01:03:48,520 Speaker 1: of like you know, code red Mountain Dew or something 1312 01:03:48,560 --> 01:03:50,080 Speaker 1: like that, like that, you can't help me with my 1313 01:03:50,120 --> 01:03:53,280 Speaker 1: computer exactly like you know, like he's the dude at 1314 01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:56,040 Speaker 1: geek Squad you hand your laptoe laptop two or whatever 1315 01:03:56,160 --> 01:03:59,400 Speaker 1: and the Yeah. Although, to be fair, I mean Tom 1316 01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:03,080 Speaker 1: Brady and that infamous combine photo didn't look anything like 1317 01:04:03,120 --> 01:04:05,360 Speaker 1: the greatest quarterback of all times, Couper Cup. 1318 01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:08,360 Speaker 3: He also didn't look anything like Tom Brady looks like 1319 01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:09,720 Speaker 3: now true true. 1320 01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:12,120 Speaker 1: Cooper Cup looks like Cooper Cup currently looks like a 1321 01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:15,160 Speaker 1: craft brewer, right, like like like he's gonna you're gonna 1322 01:04:15,160 --> 01:04:16,760 Speaker 1: come to his house and he's going to try and 1323 01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:19,360 Speaker 1: offer you, like some mead that he's making in his 1324 01:04:19,480 --> 01:04:22,320 Speaker 1: like shed outback said, looks. 1325 01:04:22,120 --> 01:04:23,840 Speaker 2: Like bagging groceries at Wegman's. 1326 01:04:24,800 --> 01:04:27,240 Speaker 3: Cooper Cup definitely has friends who don't know what he 1327 01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:29,720 Speaker 3: does for a living. And then they're like, wait, you 1328 01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:33,000 Speaker 3: work every Sunday, Like like he just doesn't look the part. 1329 01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:36,280 Speaker 1: No, it's totally like, yeah, we call Cooper, but he 1330 01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:38,320 Speaker 1: never shows up on Sundays. I don't know what he's doing. 1331 01:04:38,440 --> 01:04:41,120 Speaker 1: Who knows, right, can't to our. 1332 01:04:41,080 --> 01:04:42,439 Speaker 2: Book club on Sundays? Right? 1333 01:04:42,720 --> 01:04:42,760 Speaker 1: He? 1334 01:04:42,840 --> 01:04:43,160 Speaker 2: I don't know. 1335 01:04:43,160 --> 01:04:45,040 Speaker 1: He says he's busy. I have no idea what he's doing. 1336 01:04:45,120 --> 01:04:46,640 Speaker 1: I think he's making it up. He's just trying to 1337 01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:47,160 Speaker 1: avoid us. 1338 01:04:47,240 --> 01:04:49,320 Speaker 2: Who knows? All right? 1339 01:04:49,400 --> 01:04:52,000 Speaker 1: Anyway, we have been going for a while, mostly because 1340 01:04:52,080 --> 01:04:54,000 Speaker 1: we ranted for a lot of things about the beginning 1341 01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:56,520 Speaker 1: of the show. Anyway, that'll do it for this one. 1342 01:04:57,000 --> 01:05:00,200 Speaker 1: I'm sure we'll check some other ADPs we are. By 1343 01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:02,000 Speaker 1: the way, you may be noticing that we're coming out 1344 01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:05,520 Speaker 1: on Wednesday and not Tuesday and or Thursday. Now that 1345 01:05:05,600 --> 01:05:07,200 Speaker 1: it's slowed down, we're down to once a week, so 1346 01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:10,240 Speaker 1: we'll be here for you on Wednesdays and we will 1347 01:05:10,240 --> 01:05:11,640 Speaker 1: find a lot of interesting things to talk about. We'll 1348 01:05:11,640 --> 01:05:13,760 Speaker 1: try to get some guests on all that sort of 1349 01:05:13,760 --> 01:05:15,960 Speaker 1: stuff too as we kind of wrap up the end 1350 01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:18,880 Speaker 1: of this football season and get through free agency and 1351 01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:21,280 Speaker 1: draft and all that kind of stuff. So you know, 1352 01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:24,160 Speaker 1: stick around, hang out with us. Just you know, subscribe 1353 01:05:24,360 --> 01:05:26,360 Speaker 1: and we'll show up in your feed every single week 1354 01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:29,080 Speaker 1: whenever we do a show. So in the meantime, that'll 1355 01:05:29,080 --> 01:05:31,800 Speaker 1: do it for this edition of the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast. 1356 01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:34,480 Speaker 1: They happy, safe and healthy, do good and live well. 1357 01:05:34,920 --> 01:05:36,800 Speaker 1: Enjoy the week, everybody, and we'll talk to you again 1358 01:05:36,840 --> 01:06:04,760 Speaker 1: next week. Attacks all the