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Speaker 1: Welcome back to The Draymond Green Show. This is our
Speaker 1: fifteenth episode, and we have another incredible guess uh, someone
Speaker 1: who I am very fond of. And it's funny that
Speaker 1: I say that, because two years ago I probably would
Speaker 1: have told you so's one of my least favorite people.
Speaker 1: But I've had the opportunity to work with him, uh,
Speaker 1: to spend some time around him, and the way he
Speaker 1: treats people, the way he just makes every environment he's
Speaker 1: a part of just a welcome and welcome me environment
Speaker 1: is one of the most incredible things to me. Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame basketball player Hall of fame analysts and like
Speaker 1: I said, more importantly, just an overall great person. So
Speaker 1: this week, on this episode, we will have the great
Speaker 1: Sir Charles Barkley, and as I said, I am extremely
Speaker 1: honored to have a conversation with him. So so you
Speaker 1: all can hear some of the things that I get
Speaker 1: from him when I'm in studio, and most of the
Speaker 1: times I'm just sitting there listening, like it's not even
Speaker 1: that I'm asking a question to get these things. It's
Speaker 1: just like sitting there listening because that's the type of
Speaker 1: person he is. He seen me coming in and he
Speaker 1: just wants to help, and I think it's amazing, incredible person,
Speaker 1: probably one of the most misunderstood people around simply because
Speaker 1: of his job, and he's not afraid to say whatever
Speaker 1: it is that he's thinking, and I think that's a
Speaker 1: very powerful thing. So I am looking forward to you
Speaker 1: all hearing and sharing in this great episode and great
Speaker 1: interview with Charles Barkley that we will have. But before that,
Speaker 1: you know, it's we have to go around the association first,
Speaker 1: and starting with me returning, I am feeling great. I
Speaker 1: practiced two days ago with the team, which was incredible.
Speaker 1: There was like this whole thing of like, oh he
Speaker 1: did contact all the non contact drills, but not contact drills.
Speaker 1: The reality is there weren't any contact drills in the practice.
Speaker 1: So I did the whole practice, So give me my credibility,
Speaker 1: I'll take that. And there was a there was a
Speaker 1: drill where I was like semi contact and like not
Speaker 1: um real contacts, just kind like a defensive breakdown. And
Speaker 1: I did do that drill, although I wasn't taking any
Speaker 1: hits or anything like that. But nonetheless, and more importantly,
Speaker 1: that is a step for me in the right direction
Speaker 1: that I am thankful and happy about. And I was
Speaker 1: just continuing to ramp up, continuing to give my conditioning back,
Speaker 1: continue to give my field back, and most importantly, uh
Speaker 1: continuing to to to regain all of my explosiveness, which
Speaker 1: I am very pleased with where it is today. And
Speaker 1: as as someone who historically and I mean it's a
Speaker 1: hereditary thing, has pretty skinny calves, my calves have grown
Speaker 1: due to all the word that I've put in, So
Speaker 1: I am very happy about that because that was something
Speaker 1: I used to be a little self conscious about it
Speaker 1: as a little kid, like oh man, you got no
Speaker 1: calf muscles and so I got a calf muscle now,
Speaker 1: so I'm excited about that. So take that one to
Speaker 1: the bank. But and moving forward, Um, James Harden and
Speaker 1: Joel and be after two games, there's been all this
Speaker 1: talk about they're the best due on the NBA and
Speaker 1: like all of these things, and don't get me wrong,
Speaker 1: they are incredible. And I'm not just going off these
Speaker 1: two games because the reality is they could have had
Speaker 1: two great games, which they did. They also could have
Speaker 1: had two terrible games which didn't happen. And if they
Speaker 1: had two terrible games, where we're going to see those
Speaker 1: two terrible games and say, oh man, they don't work together,
Speaker 1: or were we gonna see those two terrible games and say,
Speaker 1: all right, they just need a little time to figure
Speaker 1: it out. I think it would be the ladder. So
Speaker 1: let's not overreact to the two great games, however, and
Speaker 1: saying that they look good, Um, they look really good.
Speaker 1: And you know, I think, what is it, twenty games
Speaker 1: left in the season. It's great to see James Harden
Speaker 1: playing at the level that everyone has grown accustomed to
Speaker 1: him playing. It's funny because after the trade, I was
Speaker 1: looking at his stats and he was acting like ten
Speaker 1: and eight, I want to say, and everybody's like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, he's having a terrible year and down year
Speaker 1: and out of shape. And I'm just sitting there looking
Speaker 1: at like this dude ten and eight, like that bar
Speaker 1: has been set so high that ten and eight everyone's saying,
Speaker 1: this guy's having a terrible season. And so it's you know,
Speaker 1: it's good to see him out there having fun and
Speaker 1: and and planning to up to the level that that
Speaker 1: we've all grown the customer and playing. It's it's only
Speaker 1: better for the league. It's also I've been actually enjoyed
Speaker 1: washing like and B has been dominant all season. I
Speaker 1: think I think we all know that and we all
Speaker 1: can agree on that, but it just feels like these
Speaker 1: last two games he's been even more dominant and without
Speaker 1: the ball is much And that's a very very very
Speaker 1: powerful thing because when you can end up being more
Speaker 1: dominant and how to all less, I mean, that's incredible
Speaker 1: because what that does is it going to allow everyone
Speaker 1: else around him to get in their flow and to
Speaker 1: find their rhythm easy. And we know he can just
Speaker 1: pick it up just like that. And so man, I
Speaker 1: think the first I'm like I said, I'm not going
Speaker 1: to overreact over two games. UM, but I think the
Speaker 1: two games that they have put together have been impressive,
Speaker 1: and you know, we'll see how that continues coming together. UM.
Speaker 1: You know that the Eastern Conference is deep, deeper than
Speaker 1: it's ever been. Uh. I think the two the two
Speaker 1: leading candidates for for m v P are are out
Speaker 1: of the Eastern Conference right now, with Marta Rosen and
Speaker 1: Joe l and B and so. And then obviously you
Speaker 1: you still have your honest um in the Eastern Conference.
Speaker 1: You still have Jimmy Butler. He still got Katie coming
Speaker 1: back from Andrew. You still got Kyrie, who's starting to
Speaker 1: play more games, and they're seems it seems that he
Speaker 1: may be able to play home games sometimes in the
Speaker 1: near future. UM. I think that's very interesting. I still,
Speaker 1: for the life of me, can't understand why, Um, someone
Speaker 1: can go to the arena and watch the game but
Speaker 1: not be vaccinated, but Kyrie can't play the game that
Speaker 1: the unvaccinated person is watching. I just can't seem to
Speaker 1: understand that for the life of me. And I mean,
Speaker 1: you you have places losing like they're losing mass mandates. Um,
Speaker 1: they're dropping vaccine mandates and yet there's still this thing
Speaker 1: there doesn't make much sense to me. I honestly think
Speaker 1: it's one of the things that has made people question
Speaker 1: different things around COVID nineteen this entire time. It's rules
Speaker 1: like that that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, Like we're
Speaker 1: gonna fill up a stadium with twenty people and all,
Speaker 1: by the way, all twenty of those people could possibly
Speaker 1: not be vaccinated. But Kyrie Irvan can't play if he's unvaccinated.
Speaker 1: So maybe someone will help me figure it out one
Speaker 1: out um at some point, But I just I'm yet
Speaker 1: to wrap my head around what's the whole deal with that.
Speaker 1: But maybe it'll all be dropped sometime soon, because that's
Speaker 1: the route it seemed like it's moving. So until then,
Speaker 1: we'll see. But there's been a lot of injury news
Speaker 1: coming out. Like I said myself, Katie, we heard will
Speaker 1: be back probably sometime within the next week, and so
Speaker 1: that that's great, And then obviously a d is out
Speaker 1: for another four to five weeks, which leads us into
Speaker 1: the Lakers slump um. If I'm not mistaken, I think
Speaker 1: they've won four of their last twenty games, and at
Speaker 1: the time I think there were maybe four for fifth
Speaker 1: in the East, and then I mean in the West,
Speaker 1: and now there are nine in the West. I have
Speaker 1: to speak on the booze last night. Um, I thought
Speaker 1: that was insane to be quite honest, from from a team,
Speaker 1: from from an organization that's has so much success, to
Speaker 1: start booing when things aren't going right. I that's kind
Speaker 1: of whack to me. And then everyone gets upset if
Speaker 1: a player comes out and say, oh, we'll forget them
Speaker 1: fans or like they're not with us anyway, then everyone
Speaker 1: seems to get upset enough tight about it. But as
Speaker 1: as athletes were just supposed to sit back and be like, oh,
Speaker 1: they're booing us. Like quite frankly, most of those people
Speaker 1: in that arena, I don't know how it feels to
Speaker 1: get booed, and so I guess I can cut a
Speaker 1: little slack and just you're not understanding how it feels
Speaker 1: to get boomed by your own Now for me, I
Speaker 1: actually like it boo like when I come to Crypto Orania, like,
Speaker 1: boom me all you want. That's fun to me. The
Speaker 1: Cavs fans did it all weekend at All Star Weekend,
Speaker 1: like I enjoy it so but to get booed by
Speaker 1: your own fans, like it's very distasteful and disgraceful. And
Speaker 1: I was shocked to see that, Like I mean, some
Speaker 1: boots rang out when when Bron threw the turnover where
Speaker 1: he tried to hook the pass around to Taylor Horton
Speaker 1: Tucker in the corner. I've seen Lebron make that past
Speaker 1: several times and it is an amazing past. Didn't completely yesterday,
Speaker 1: and the booze rang out. I thought that was pathetic.
Speaker 1: I thought it was extremely pathetic. And like I said,
Speaker 1: I thought it was very distasteful from a fan base
Speaker 1: of an organization that has the most championships in the NBA,
Speaker 1: like like, let's not be so like like spoiled brats,
Speaker 1: Like it's okay to be spoiled, Like, yeah, you can spoiled.
Speaker 1: We all get spoiled by things at times at one
Speaker 1: point in our life for another. But let's not be brats.
Speaker 1: And and that was about as braddy as something that
Speaker 1: I've seen, considering that this team just won the championship,
Speaker 1: not even afore two years ago, and now you're buoying,
Speaker 1: Like I thought, that was utterly ridiculous, and like I said,
Speaker 1: it was very distasteful. So I'm actually looking forward to
Speaker 1: seeing where the Lakers go from here, because you can
Speaker 1: go one of two ways. You can use that to
Speaker 1: band together and say it's us against the world, It's
Speaker 1: us against all these other teams in the NBA. It's
Speaker 1: us against this fan but our fan base too, It's
Speaker 1: it's us against the world, and see if they can
Speaker 1: rally around that or do you continue to splinter and
Speaker 1: separate more because the reality is when you're losing at
Speaker 1: that rate, there's gonna be some splintery and there's gonna
Speaker 1: be some separating. I mean, we saw that um DeAndre
Speaker 1: Jordan was cut a couple of days ago due to
Speaker 1: signing DJ Augustine, and you know, so you start to
Speaker 1: see moves like that, and like some of those things
Speaker 1: were expected to happen a little while ago. So I
Speaker 1: wasn't necessarily shocked by DeAndre Jordan being being cut, But
Speaker 1: I'm I'm very interested in and seeing can the Lakers
Speaker 1: pull this together and what happens from here. And like
Speaker 1: I always say, if there's anybody that can do it,
Speaker 1: they got Lebron James. He's shown that he can do it.
Speaker 1: So I've told you all before, I'm never counting them
Speaker 1: out until they're out. They're not. They won't be counted
Speaker 1: out by me. I know how dangerous they will being
Speaker 1: trying to compete and win for win a championship. If
Speaker 1: all you gotta do is get in the playoffs, you're
Speaker 1: getting the playoffs. You gotta win four games. Then you
Speaker 1: gotta win four games again, and you gotta win four
Speaker 1: games again, and you do it one more time, you're
Speaker 1: a champion. So that's an entirely different season. Like I said,
Speaker 1: I I refused as as someone who's competing against them
Speaker 1: and competing for the same thing. Everyone can say what
Speaker 1: they want. You can talk about their slump, you can
Speaker 1: talk about their age, you can talk about all of
Speaker 1: these things. But who won't be calling them out? It's
Speaker 1: me and who else won't be calling them out. It's
Speaker 1: a team that I am one of the leaders on.
Speaker 1: No way we face them. We are facing the same
Speaker 1: Lakers that everyone thought we'd be facing when the season started,
Speaker 1: because they still have that that same talent is still
Speaker 1: on that team. Uh and that same pedigree, championship pedigree
Speaker 1: that they gotta on that team. It's all still there.
Speaker 1: So we'll be ready and maybe we'll see them. Maybe
Speaker 1: we won't, but whoever do, it won't be walking apart.
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I just can't foresee that happening.
Speaker 1: So we'll see. But like I told you guys a
Speaker 1: little while ago, we're gonna get into the interview with
Speaker 1: Sir Charles Barkley. Man, I want to welcome my next guest,
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer UM, someone who I actually have the
Speaker 1: honor of calling a co worker UM today and a
Speaker 1: partner and crime uh, the incredible UM basketball player. But
Speaker 1: what I've said before, more importantly to me, I think
Speaker 1: he's an even better TV personality than he was basketball player.
Speaker 1: And yet he's in the Hall of Fame for basketball,
Speaker 1: So that shows you how great he is at this.
Speaker 1: And I know the the Emmys have been rolling in
Speaker 1: in the award winner, but everything else will keep rolling
Speaker 1: in as far as Hall of Famer and TV as well.
Speaker 1: And I'm honored to how you as a guest, to Chucks,
Speaker 1: to Charles Barkley, what's happening, Thank you, thank you. Welcome
Speaker 1: to the team too. I man, you're gonna be great
Speaker 1: on TV for the next hundred years once you get
Speaker 1: through playing basketball. I will tell you though, Hey, man,
Speaker 1: don't rush it. Like I tell people all the time,
Speaker 1: I don't care how much the test you have on television.
Speaker 1: There's nothing like playing basketball for a living, those big
Speaker 1: games and things like that. There's nothing like it. And
Speaker 1: you can always beat Charles Parker to kill O'Neal and
Speaker 1: Draymond Green for the rest of your life. But how
Speaker 1: you play until they dragged that damn jersey off of
Speaker 1: your brother? Yes, sir, hey, I've heard you. I've heard
Speaker 1: you say that once before, and you know I've I've
Speaker 1: done some research before on j Lo and my fiance
Speaker 1: absolutely love j Low And one thing she said was
Speaker 1: when she did the Selina movie that that's what made
Speaker 1: her want to go into singing because she was an
Speaker 1: actress at first, but that but the thrill in that
Speaker 1: and the rush that she got from being on stage
Speaker 1: in that movie is what made her then going to singing.
Speaker 1: Is that similar to what you're saying as far as
Speaker 1: TV and actually playing the game of basketball. Yeah, TV
Speaker 1: is fun. I mean, it's a great way to make
Speaker 1: a living. But ain't nothing like being in the moment,
Speaker 1: especially like you have so much control to bring for
Speaker 1: joy in their lives. But you think about this, like,
Speaker 1: no matter how bad ship going in life with somebody
Speaker 1: in Golden State, San Francisco, when the wars are doing good,
Speaker 1: it brightens up their day. And to have that type
Speaker 1: of power to like, man, these people they can be
Speaker 1: having trouble at home, they be having trouble at work
Speaker 1: to joy you can bring them. That's nothing like that
Speaker 1: rush you know you because you know, you know people
Speaker 1: come up to you all the time. I said, I
Speaker 1: want to thank you for this, I want to thank
Speaker 1: you for this, and you're like, wow, man, even though
Speaker 1: it's a stupid basketball game, it does bring a lot
Speaker 1: of joy to people. I mean, you have said you
Speaker 1: could be having on an awful day, but if your
Speaker 1: team is doing well, man, it's a really big deal.
Speaker 1: Like like there's been times I've had people come up
Speaker 1: to me who were like balant counsel who was sick
Speaker 1: and say, hey, I just wanna thank you for that
Speaker 1: ride we were on and things like that. So it's
Speaker 1: it's a really ain't nothing like. It ain't nothing like
Speaker 1: absolutely And and speaking of playing as long as I
Speaker 1: could possibly play, I can't help but to ask. I know,
Speaker 1: since I started coming to Turner and working with you guys,
Speaker 1: I've been hearing even well before that Chuck's going to
Speaker 1: retire in about a year. Chuck's gonna retire in about
Speaker 1: two years. And I know you recently just came out
Speaker 1: and said you maybe got two more years and then
Speaker 1: that's it, Like it's it serious this time or or
Speaker 1: do you just kind of take a year by year
Speaker 1: and and go on how you feel? Well, I think
Speaker 1: that you're gonna run into this when you get older, Dude.
Speaker 1: I've been doing this twenty one years. Like if I
Speaker 1: was doing it five years, I wouldn't be thinking about retiring.
Speaker 1: So I'm in year twenty one now, and then I
Speaker 1: got two more years left on my contract. And like
Speaker 1: I said, dude, I turned fifty nine last week, so
Speaker 1: I ain't no younger as dude, And I'm smart enough
Speaker 1: to know, and I'm not one of those guys who
Speaker 1: are worried about them if I died tomorrow, man, I
Speaker 1: had a good run. But I do know I'm closer
Speaker 1: to death that I am living. And I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: a grandpa, hopefully in the next week to ten days.
Speaker 1: And I don't want to, like I said, and I
Speaker 1: can say, I want to die and Televion I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be doctor out in the world having fun. You know,
Speaker 1: I want to be Uh, I want to be a
Speaker 1: great grandpa, I do. I want to be a great grandfather. Well,
Speaker 1: like I say, I'll be sixty years sixty one in
Speaker 1: two years and like, like I said, we don't know
Speaker 1: how this thing going in, but I want to be
Speaker 1: able to say, like, man, he wasn't working, he was
Speaker 1: traveling the world. He was having fun. He was golf
Speaker 1: and he was fishing. Man, I just saw charged. He
Speaker 1: was over in Italy. I saw him. They had a
Speaker 1: you know, I just saw him. He was over in Germany.
Speaker 1: I just saw him. He was over in Spain. I
Speaker 1: mean because all the work that we have done, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, going back to driven us stupid basketball and
Speaker 1: the parks and things like that, Like you built yourself
Speaker 1: on amazing life yourself and me like, why not enjoy
Speaker 1: the back nine Because even though the work ain't hard
Speaker 1: and it's fun, you still have something to do all
Speaker 1: the time. That I tell me, I say, you still
Speaker 1: have stuff to do all the time. And that's what
Speaker 1: Like if I could just show up at the studio
Speaker 1: and just do basketball, Like no, I have to X
Speaker 1: amount of interview was the day, you know, like you know,
Speaker 1: you have to go and pump up the show. That's
Speaker 1: really what's really funny. I tell this funny story. Not
Speaker 1: many not many people know this, and I'm probably gonna
Speaker 1: get in trouble telling you this. We actually hired Kobe
Speaker 1: Bryant at Turner at Turner, but he didn't want to
Speaker 1: do all the other bullshit. This is one of the
Speaker 1: uh and I'm probably gonna get in trouble for saying this,
Speaker 1: but this is one of the like little things that
Speaker 1: bit that we kept with keeping. So he actually signed
Speaker 1: with us. But then when we started teping, like you know,
Speaker 1: I had to do a bunch of radio shows, like hey,
Speaker 1: I go on this shore Monday something. Hey from Thursday
Speaker 1: night t n T same thing on to the same
Speaker 1: thing on Wednesday. On Thursday, He's like, yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: want to do all that stuff. He says, well, you
Speaker 1: have to promote the show, Kobe. So Kobe, actually it's
Speaker 1: so funny. And like I said, it's probably only ten
Speaker 1: people in the world know that that he actually signed
Speaker 1: with use and he's like, no, I'm not doing all
Speaker 1: that other but that he just like no. But it
Speaker 1: was funny because, like I say, we always have something
Speaker 1: to do. Yeah. So so wait, hold on, So Kobe
Speaker 1: signed and he was gonna be on on like just
Speaker 1: one of the guys on the Thursday Night crew. Yeah, wow,
Speaker 1: yeah he has he had he had signed with US.
Speaker 1: David Leaving, my old boss, had signed them to a deal,
Speaker 1: and we were excited. We were really excited. And then
Speaker 1: he called me back like a week ten days later,
Speaker 1: somewhere in that time frame like, yeah, Kobe's not gonna come.
Speaker 1: We're like why because he don't want to do all
Speaker 1: the pr stuff. He don't want to go on radio
Speaker 1: shows and talk about basketball. I'm like, well, that's part
Speaker 1: of the gig. I mean, people need to know, hey
Speaker 1: I'm on Thursday Night because if you noticed, when you
Speaker 1: do interviews, they're like, hey, welcome from TNT Thursday Night.
Speaker 1: Charles Barkley, same thing. You know, you talked to Kenny
Speaker 1: and Shack. They always because that's that's part of the
Speaker 1: promoting the show. So was funny though he didn't want
Speaker 1: to do all that and he never never came work
Speaker 1: for us. Wow, that's interesting. I think that's great for
Speaker 1: me too, because the reality is is, you know, you
Speaker 1: see the job that you guys do. And unless you're
Speaker 1: tuned into the radio shows, are you catch one of
Speaker 1: your snippets when you break the internet? Uh, you don't.
Speaker 1: You don't really know anything past you're going up there
Speaker 1: on Thursday nights. And yeah, it seems to be so
Speaker 1: much more to the job than people even know. You know,
Speaker 1: you'll hear people say, oh, man, Chuck make all this
Speaker 1: money and he only worked one night a week, and
Speaker 1: from what you're saying, that's far from the truth. Well,
Speaker 1: it is far from the truth. Well, because really the
Speaker 1: only time you really work is doing the playoffs. You like,
Speaker 1: work every day for two months. I mean, that's when
Speaker 1: it's hectic and there's a lot going on. But during
Speaker 1: the regular season you really only working one day a week.
Speaker 1: So that's when you really have to pop it up
Speaker 1: more like everybody's going watched the playoffs. Like with the
Speaker 1: playoffs starting, they are for the days and for the nights.
Speaker 1: But during the regular season you have to pop it
Speaker 1: up all week, Like, hey, brol Trus Market Thursday night.
Speaker 1: I do that Monday, tueson wins and Thursday. Just but like,
Speaker 1: I mean, that's part of the gig. But you know,
Speaker 1: Kobe didn't want to do all that stuff and and
Speaker 1: it never worked out. That's that's funny. I mean, as first,
Speaker 1: especially for someone as hard as working as Kobe, like now,
Speaker 1: I don't want to do all that, But then you
Speaker 1: think about it and the reality is for everything that
Speaker 1: he gave to the game of basketball, I can understand
Speaker 1: him saying like, no, that's too much for me, like
Speaker 1: I don't I don't want to do that. And quite
Speaker 1: similar to what you're saying about being a great grandfather,
Speaker 1: I think at that point in his life, the most
Speaker 1: important thing for him then was being a great husband
Speaker 1: and and and being a great dad. And we saw that,
Speaker 1: you know, like we saw that with g and her
Speaker 1: basketball career. You see the videos with him at the
Speaker 1: mall with the baby girl and all of that. So
Speaker 1: I think that's a very interesting just a very interesting
Speaker 1: thing overall. But you know, and uh, as a as
Speaker 1: a dad to a daughter, the bond you have, Like
Speaker 1: I've been in the NBA for thirty seven years and
Speaker 1: guys don't give a shit about sons, but they love
Speaker 1: their sons. They love their sons. But it's just something
Speaker 1: about a girl because she has she wrapped around her finger,
Speaker 1: and like I used to joke about my daughter all
Speaker 1: the time. I said, my daughter asked me, Dad, I
Speaker 1: want to go to out of Space. I was like, well,
Speaker 1: let me see if we can fit it in the budget.
Speaker 1: There's no way you can tell your daughter no. Like
Speaker 1: I like to say, I've been in THEBA for thirty
Speaker 1: seven years to telling something like get the hell away
Speaker 1: from me. Man, No, you can't have that. You can't
Speaker 1: have that. But but I never heard one of my
Speaker 1: dude say, yeah, man, my daughter, I ain't no chance
Speaker 1: against her. Whatever she wants, I'm gonna give her. And
Speaker 1: then when I got my daughter, I was like, damn,
Speaker 1: I know what you mean. Now Yeah, I was like, no, man,
Speaker 1: whatever I mean, she's just the most of it. Like
Speaker 1: it's crazy how they have so much control over you.
Speaker 1: And I say, I've been around this game and the
Speaker 1: guys to tell these sons all the time, man, leave
Speaker 1: me alone, man, and you're bugging the hell out of me.
Speaker 1: But when they come to their daughter like, no, whatever
Speaker 1: she wants, she's gonna get this. It's a really crazy dynamic.
Speaker 1: But it's true. No, it's as as a father of
Speaker 1: two daughters, I definitely understand a son. I definitely understand
Speaker 1: that because I think for me, like everything with my
Speaker 1: son is, I want to give you all of the
Speaker 1: things that I had to go through without you having
Speaker 1: to go through those issues, but yet understanding that in
Speaker 1: order for you to become a man, I have to
Speaker 1: let you go through some of those issues and trying
Speaker 1: to find that balance. I think it's always tough thing
Speaker 1: for me with him, but with mysels, You're right, it's
Speaker 1: just like they don't want half the stuff you can
Speaker 1: buy them, dogs and clothing and that they're they're good.
Speaker 1: Like your son, he wants every Sneaker, you want, every Jordan,
Speaker 1: you want, every Lebron And then they want to a
Speaker 1: cell phone, then they want a car. I mean, like
Speaker 1: it's crazy, like and you know, and and the most
Speaker 1: difficult thing, and it's a very difficult thing trying to
Speaker 1: figure out how much to give them because you can't
Speaker 1: like and there's no right and wrong answer. I've seen
Speaker 1: crazy kids. I've seen kids go to jail. I've seen
Speaker 1: kids who don't speak to their parents. I've seen parents
Speaker 1: who don't speak to their kids. I mean, it's such
Speaker 1: a crazy learning experience because yeah, nine and nine point
Speaker 1: nine per cent of the players grew up poor and
Speaker 1: now now your dad's rich. And I can't even imagine
Speaker 1: how crazy it is now with the money you guys
Speaker 1: make to day. I mean, I tell people all the time, dude,
Speaker 1: the most money I made in sixteen years was five
Speaker 1: million dollars a year. And I said, and that's after
Speaker 1: sixteen years I made five million. I said, you got
Speaker 1: guys making twenty thirty and forty million. I can imagine
Speaker 1: like trying to Like, I can give my kid anything,
Speaker 1: but I'm not going to m And I don't know
Speaker 1: if there's a right way or a wrong way to
Speaker 1: do it, but man, it's it's it's it's really a tricky,
Speaker 1: slippery slope trying to figure out how much to give
Speaker 1: them because you said you can give them too much.
Speaker 1: I say, in my years, I've seen a bunch of
Speaker 1: train wrecks. I've seen a bunch of great kids. I
Speaker 1: mean seeing good, bad, and ugly in my forty years,
Speaker 1: and the nb of guys trying to reach their kids.
Speaker 1: Like I said, I can't even imagine what it's like
Speaker 1: what you guys making twenty thirty million dollars a year.
Speaker 1: Because those kids could read, They're like my dad making
Speaker 1: thirty million dollars. Here, I can get anything I want,
Speaker 1: Like I said, my my my last year, I made
Speaker 1: five million dollars after sixteen years. And you know that
Speaker 1: that that's a lot of money. But it ain't nothing compared.
Speaker 1: And bless you guys what y'all make today. But I
Speaker 1: couldn't imagine argue with my kids today. My daughter, I
Speaker 1: only got one wait, trying to figure, Like Dad, I
Speaker 1: just saw you made forty five million dollars and I
Speaker 1: asked you for this, this, and this, and you're gonna
Speaker 1: tell me no. I'm like, I couldn't imagine what it's
Speaker 1: like for kids today when they see how much money
Speaker 1: their parents making. It Like, Dad, you can get me
Speaker 1: anything in the world, which is crazy. Yeah. Absolutely. And
Speaker 1: I remember when I was on set um your your
Speaker 1: daughter was getting ready to to get married, and you said,
Speaker 1: I told her, you can't either get the wedding or
Speaker 1: you get a down payment on the house, y'all pick,
Speaker 1: And she picked a wedding. Did she still get the
Speaker 1: down payment? Shop? You know, you know Joan, that was
Speaker 1: first of all. She went to Villa Novan, Columbia. I
Speaker 1: thought she was smarter. I was like, Listen, you can
Speaker 1: get up a big chunk of money to start a
Speaker 1: house and start a college to wish your fun, and
Speaker 1: you can get old stupid wedding. But but a bunch
Speaker 1: of bunch of freeloaders come up and drink up all
Speaker 1: your alcohol and eat up all your food, and that
Speaker 1: money's gone. And then she says, Dad, I want a wedding.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I thought she was smarter. But it's
Speaker 1: your wedding, as another one. You better hope this works.
Speaker 1: I'm not doing this ship for your second wedding. You're
Speaker 1: gonna get on your second wedding. And you know, she
Speaker 1: stayed relatively in budget, but I wanted her And I
Speaker 1: can understand she wanted the weddings the first time getting married,
Speaker 1: But I do I wish a lot more people with like, no,
Speaker 1: you give me some money because I can't imagine what
Speaker 1: it's gonna be costing when kids go to school. Now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm like, damn. I think one of the
Speaker 1: great travesties in our country is what we charge education.
Speaker 1: I do. I think America is the greatest country in
Speaker 1: the world. You see all this stuff going on over
Speaker 1: in Ukraine and Russia, it's like, man, we're so lucky
Speaker 1: to be born in the United States. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: so crazy. And the Ukrainians, I mean, bless them. But
Speaker 1: like what we charge kids to go to school today,
Speaker 1: it really makes me sick to my stomach because especially
Speaker 1: black kids and poor kids, they can't like they're eliminated
Speaker 1: probably from six to five to set up percent of
Speaker 1: the great colleges in this country right off the bat.
Speaker 1: And I don't think that's fair enough. I mean, because
Speaker 1: you know, these people can't be writing check for sevenified
Speaker 1: eighty thousand dollars or getting in debt that type of way.
Speaker 1: So I wish did they would fix the schools. So
Speaker 1: if a kid wanted to go to let's say, Bill
Speaker 1: and Ova, I don't even know how much it calls
Speaker 1: to go to Michigan State, but I'm pretty sure it's
Speaker 1: a pretty pending you know, you know, sixty seventy thousand dollars,
Speaker 1: that's a lot of money, especially got three or four kids.
Speaker 1: Most people can't afford to get in that type of debt.
Speaker 1: And I wish we would fix that. I wish we
Speaker 1: would fix that school system in this country. I think
Speaker 1: one of the biggest issues with it is number one,
Speaker 1: you go to four years of undergrad and then you
Speaker 1: get depending on there's maybe two or three undergrad degrees
Speaker 1: that you can get, and you actually get a great
Speaker 1: job coming right out of that. For all the other ones,
Speaker 1: you need to go get a masters, or you need
Speaker 1: to go get a second degree. Then that puts you
Speaker 1: another a hundred fifty or two hundred thousand dollars in debt.
Speaker 1: And let's say, for instance, it as a teacher. You know,
Speaker 1: we we know how how little teachers are paid in
Speaker 1: America and how ridiculous their salaries are. So let's say
Speaker 1: it's a teacher, someone who's educating our children, which is
Speaker 1: important because they are our future. They're going to be
Speaker 1: in debt the rest of their life. They bring home
Speaker 1: sixty or seventy thousand dollars before taxes, and yet you're
Speaker 1: already starting off three hundred fifty four hundred thousand dollars
Speaker 1: in debt. And then you have these kids coming from
Speaker 1: poor neighborhoods like myself, like yourself, and and and going
Speaker 1: into that debt. There's never a way out of it there, like,
Speaker 1: because in order to get these loans to actually go
Speaker 1: to college, you have Sally Man, all of these people
Speaker 1: charging you eighteen percent interest and and then and so
Speaker 1: you you spend the rest of your life in debt.
Speaker 1: I actually never understood um, just the debt system and
Speaker 1: school system and how it actually worked in student loans
Speaker 1: until me and my fiance were years into dating and
Speaker 1: we got to talking about me, uh, like us finally
Speaker 1: paying off her student loans. And my fiance ran track
Speaker 1: at Michigan State. She was on partial scholarship, yet she
Speaker 1: still has student loan bills. And I was talking to
Speaker 1: her and and and She's saying, yeah, it's this amount.
Speaker 1: I've already been able to pay off this amount. And
Speaker 1: I'm just like, yeah, exactly. I'm like, are you kidding me.
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe it, because for us, you get all
Speaker 1: the free books, you know, you get every everything is
Speaker 1: for free. So when I left school, I did leave
Speaker 1: in dead. I left with the five thousand dollar credit
Speaker 1: card building I had maxed out because I didn't have
Speaker 1: any more money. But that was it. I did not
Speaker 1: understand that, and she helped me understand it. And I
Speaker 1: don't know, like, if you're not becoming a professional athlete
Speaker 1: or a lawyer or a doctor, like how can you
Speaker 1: ever or an entrepreneur, how can you ever paid those
Speaker 1: things off? The system is stack this this system is
Speaker 1: stacked against you. You know, listen, I'm very aware of racism.
Speaker 1: I grew up in Alabama. Racism exists, always has an unfortunately,
Speaker 1: always will. But the biggest problem we have, one of
Speaker 1: the biggest problems we have in America, it's really just
Speaker 1: about economics. It's risk people screwing poor people because we
Speaker 1: put poor people in this situation one I'm one way,
Speaker 1: put them in the worst neighborhoods, we put them in
Speaker 1: the worst schools, and we say good luck being successful.
Speaker 1: And then you get some food on TV time and
Speaker 1: you just got to work harder. You're like, no, you
Speaker 1: didn't work harder, brother, you just had an advantage. But
Speaker 1: you really unless you got to have great self esteem,
Speaker 1: great discipline, because I remember when I first saw it
Speaker 1: learning about debt as you're talking about now. You know,
Speaker 1: I don't want to call out any credit card companies.
Speaker 1: There's a couple of credit card comes to sending their
Speaker 1: credit cards to kids in college. You know, maybe one
Speaker 1: I might get a commercial one of these, So I
Speaker 1: don't want to press them out. But so they send
Speaker 1: these credit cards, these kids. So they sent them to
Speaker 1: me and my friends, and we were just going up trade.
Speaker 1: We just go up and buying up everything, and we'd
Speaker 1: be patting you on the back. Man. We read the
Speaker 1: screwing these people. We're getting oval on these folks and said,
Speaker 1: we only got to pay this much. And then I
Speaker 1: was in college for three years. And then when I
Speaker 1: got to the NBA, when I started meeting like people
Speaker 1: knew how to handle money, Like what's just that stuff
Speaker 1: you got going on? And said, well, we got these
Speaker 1: credit cards people getting on. These people were buying all
Speaker 1: this ship blah blah blah blah blah. He's say, you
Speaker 1: do know you on the penic address, right. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I have no idea what you're talking about. He says
Speaker 1: to us, They're sending those credit cards to poor people
Speaker 1: who needed and you just buy a bunch of stuff
Speaker 1: and you paid quote unquote the minimum, which not even
Speaker 1: it's not even an interest in most cases. And then
Speaker 1: by the time you figure it out later, something that
Speaker 1: costs sevent hundred dollars, you paid like four thousand dollars
Speaker 1: for it. By the time you actually get it, like damn.
Speaker 1: And so That's the one of the reasons I try
Speaker 1: to teach my friends. I think, you man, do not
Speaker 1: get these credit cards. And if you get those credit cards,
Speaker 1: pay them off each month or pay them off as
Speaker 1: soon as possible. It's like sometimes you run into stuff.
Speaker 1: Well you just need them stup, I said, but do
Speaker 1: not pay that damn minimum. But you're gonna pay two
Speaker 1: to three times whatever something calls because because they only
Speaker 1: send you a couple of cards in college. Like, wait
Speaker 1: a minute, why are they sending me credit cards in college?
Speaker 1: I ain't got no damn job, because that's part of
Speaker 1: the hustle they got going on, and you know it's
Speaker 1: us stuff like that. You know, I try to teach
Speaker 1: my friends, you know, do not be maxing out these
Speaker 1: credit cards. Get get whatever you get and pay it off.
Speaker 1: Don't don't hold on, pay it off. And that's the
Speaker 1: type of about try to teach my homeboards in my
Speaker 1: small town in Alabama, because there's a lot of scams
Speaker 1: out there that black people don't know about, and poor
Speaker 1: white people in the same boat too, you know, they're
Speaker 1: in the same boat. I mean, that's goes back to
Speaker 1: our said earlier. It's really about economics because But because
Speaker 1: I use this a knowledge when I'm speaking, you got
Speaker 1: to understand some about being pouring black and poor and white.
Speaker 1: The baseball analogy, there's three strikes in baseball, but if
Speaker 1: you're pouring poor in this country, you got two strikes
Speaker 1: against you. You're gonna be in a ship neighborhood. You're
Speaker 1: gonna be on a ship school and they're gonna say
Speaker 1: good luck. And like I said, me and you got
Speaker 1: hit because we were really great at basketball. But most
Speaker 1: of the people ain't. They ain't got that type of talent.
Speaker 1: That's that don't mean negative about them, that's just a fact.
Speaker 1: And if you don't have that self discipline, you get
Speaker 1: yourself in death and you're gonna and it's a long
Speaker 1: uphill climb for the rest of your life. Absolutely no.
Speaker 1: I think for me, um, even learning once I got
Speaker 1: to the NBA, my first year of filling taxes, my
Speaker 1: mother and I had done so much for my mother
Speaker 1: that first year that my business manager was like, hey,
Speaker 1: I think you should claim her on your taxes. At
Speaker 1: that point was the first time I ever learned, um
Speaker 1: how much money my mom made. And I always wonder
Speaker 1: about this, especially in the neighborhoods like ours. Um one
Speaker 1: thing with me and my kids is I tried to
Speaker 1: teach them about money now, because you know, growing up
Speaker 1: in the neighborhoods that we grew up in. It's like
Speaker 1: I'd ask my mom, Hey, mom, how much did that
Speaker 1: cost enough? You know? Or um My, uh, can we
Speaker 1: can we afford to pay for that? And it's just no,
Speaker 1: Well why can't we afford to pay for that? Or
Speaker 1: um my, how much money you made? You got a
Speaker 1: roof over your head, don't you? And the reality is
Speaker 1: exactly and I'm so appreciative of my mom. And you
Speaker 1: can ever be mad at your parents just for not
Speaker 1: knowing what they didn't know. You know, they didn't know
Speaker 1: anything about finances either. But the reality is if we
Speaker 1: don't learn to correct that, especially as a as a
Speaker 1: culture and really teach our our children about finances, good
Speaker 1: battering different Now, why why they are still kids? We're
Speaker 1: going to continue this this dying cycle of our culture
Speaker 1: and not understanding financial literacy by hiding it, you know,
Speaker 1: you're trying to hide the fact like I think at
Speaker 1: that point, I think I found out my mom made
Speaker 1: seventeen thousand dollars a year and I'm sitting there like,
Speaker 1: are you kidding me? Like I remember growing up, my
Speaker 1: mom was saying we're poor. Like I would ask for
Speaker 1: something to she be like, we're poor, and I'm like whatever,
Speaker 1: Like we had a roof over our head, shoes exactly
Speaker 1: and something like whatever. Until I saw that, I was like, wow,
Speaker 1: But how do we ever change that? If we don't
Speaker 1: get comfortable enough with whether we're poor, middle class, rich, wealthy,
Speaker 1: if we never get comfortable enough with sharing that information
Speaker 1: with our children, well, I think the number one thing
Speaker 1: we gotta do is we've got to be like, Okay, guys,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be an enabler. I'm not just gonna
Speaker 1: give you money and let you blow it. Because once
Speaker 1: you start giving people money, they're never gonna stop. They're
Speaker 1: never gonna stop. You got to teach them how to
Speaker 1: handle money. Because some people get in debt one time.
Speaker 1: That's understandable. But when you come around asking for money
Speaker 1: all the time, you've just becoming in the neighborhood. You know.
Speaker 1: I remember my mom, My mom, I got one pair
Speaker 1: of shoes to start the season because that's all she
Speaker 1: could afford, and she would bring them to the game
Speaker 1: and she would come to the locker room after the
Speaker 1: game and get them because they had to laugh for
Speaker 1: me the whole season. And that's because because my mom
Speaker 1: was a made I live with my mom my grandmother.
Speaker 1: My mom wasn't made, and my grandmother worked in the
Speaker 1: meat factory, so I guarantee and neither one I made
Speaker 1: over twenty dollars. The reason three boys four boys total,
Speaker 1: actually because two of my brothers have passed away, and
Speaker 1: I couldn't imagine until like she's like, Charles, you're gonna
Speaker 1: get one press shoes. They gotta last you the whole season.
Speaker 1: You can wear them to school. Wants the season over,
Speaker 1: but you're going have to wear raggedy shoes the school
Speaker 1: every day. But I'm gonna get you a brand new
Speaker 1: pair of shoes to start the season. It was so funny.
Speaker 1: She bought him to the game and she came. It
Speaker 1: was like knocked on the door. After the game. He's like, no,
Speaker 1: you're not wearing those shoes out the rest of the night.
Speaker 1: I used to joke about that later in life, but
Speaker 1: that was it. Those shoes have to laugh at me
Speaker 1: the whole season. And you know, living in the projects,
Speaker 1: you know, my mom and Grandma did an amazing job,
Speaker 1: but literally in projects like you don't even know you
Speaker 1: for like we we ate our meals. We never were hungry.
Speaker 1: I mean it was tough living and sleeping in bunk
Speaker 1: beds growing up. But never even realize quote unquote we
Speaker 1: were pour until later in life, like, oh, we were poor.
Speaker 1: But my mother and grandmother they were both hard working ladies.
Speaker 1: And like I said, I got very lucky because I
Speaker 1: could dribble a stupid basketball around and I was very
Speaker 1: fortunate to change the whole dynamic of my family. And
Speaker 1: hopefully I can keep sharing that. You know, one of
Speaker 1: the things I have a lot of work with historical
Speaker 1: black colleges, and I try to tell them, like, you
Speaker 1: got to learn how to handle money. No matter how
Speaker 1: much money you got, you got to learn how to
Speaker 1: handle it. If it's a million dollars, you got to
Speaker 1: handle it. If it's seven thousand dollars, you gotta handle it.
Speaker 1: It is what it is, the situation you're in, that's
Speaker 1: your reality. And you're right one thing about being black,
Speaker 1: we got to do a much better job on teaching
Speaker 1: each other how to handle money. And also we got
Speaker 1: to make sure they were like as for us when
Speaker 1: it comes to crime. We have to tell black people,
Speaker 1: get the system is stacked against you criminally, you can't
Speaker 1: break the law. Then say that system and racism, Like Gil,
Speaker 1: we we know they're systematic racism, and you know if
Speaker 1: you break the law, they're gonna put your ass in jail.
Speaker 1: But you don't get to break the law and come
Speaker 1: back and say it's systematic racism every black person in America.
Speaker 1: Tho was like, yeah, that's systematic racism. I know that
Speaker 1: I can't break the law, but I always laugh at
Speaker 1: these guys break the laws. Is what's the system? I'm like, no, Ship,
Speaker 1: it's the system. Everybody knows the system is racist, systematic pystism.
Speaker 1: So you knew you couldn't do stupid stuff, and you
Speaker 1: sid went out of their stupid stuff. That's what pistes
Speaker 1: me all sometimes absolutely switching and switching gears just a
Speaker 1: little bit. Because we are talking about African Americans. UM,
Speaker 1: A question that I wanted to ask you because I've
Speaker 1: had a very similar not similar and necessarily what happened,
Speaker 1: but similar in the outcome. Why is it as especially
Speaker 1: as African American men, because we are leaders, Um, why
Speaker 1: is it that we as African American men struggles so
Speaker 1: hard to move on from things and reunite back together.
Speaker 1: And the situations that I am talking about is my
Speaker 1: fallout with Kevin, which was a very public thing. Everyone
Speaker 1: knew about it, everyone questioned it bla blah. You're falling
Speaker 1: out with m J which was kind of a public thing,
Speaker 1: but everyone knew about it. And and yeah, I think
Speaker 1: that is a very important relationship because number one, both
Speaker 1: of y'all are two guys that I grew up watching play,
Speaker 1: two guys that I grew up looking up to, but
Speaker 1: also um, two guys that are doing such positive things
Speaker 1: in our community. And I think one of our biggest
Speaker 1: issues in our community is he's doing positive over here,
Speaker 1: he's doing positive over there, She's doing it over here.
Speaker 1: But we never come together. We never come together and
Speaker 1: do it all this one. Why why is it that
Speaker 1: we can't move past things like that as African American
Speaker 1: men and just allow it to keep moving forward. And
Speaker 1: as if that's not going to affect the ones coming
Speaker 1: up from behind us. Yeah, I think no one. When
Speaker 1: you're successful, you're stubborn mm hmm. So to be successful
Speaker 1: you have to have a go absolutely uh. And sometimes
Speaker 1: it's to a fault, but we all have you're successful,
Speaker 1: you have an ego, you're stubborn. That's part of what
Speaker 1: makes you successful. That's, to me, is what it's really
Speaker 1: all about. Uh, it's so And first of all, it's
Speaker 1: always stupid too to be honest with you, like, yo man,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, You're sorry. Let's keep it moving, let's get
Speaker 1: over this bullshit whatever it is. But people get stubborn,
Speaker 1: and you factor in the way we are in television
Speaker 1: and the internet. Today's like, well, I'm not gonna make
Speaker 1: the first move. You're not gonna make the first move.
Speaker 1: And you got to understand there's people around both of y'all,
Speaker 1: both of us who are probably fan in the flames.
Speaker 1: So it really comes down to selling this to be
Speaker 1: honest with you, because uh, we all need each other
Speaker 1: to be successful, we all need each other to be
Speaker 1: this successful, and it's just about ego and stubbornness, that's
Speaker 1: all it is. Because very few guys are picking the
Speaker 1: phone or so yo man, my bad, my bad. You know,
Speaker 1: most celebrities get in trouble when they try to um
Speaker 1: how a messed up situation instead of like they got
Speaker 1: all these people around, like Hey, let's handle it like this.
Speaker 1: Let's handle it like this. One of the reasons I
Speaker 1: have been successful every time that I messed up, Drake,
Speaker 1: I just said the words my bad, I'm sorry, and
Speaker 1: I don't worry about because there's two factions. There's the
Speaker 1: public and there's the media. The media they're in a
Speaker 1: very unique situation. What I mean by that is they
Speaker 1: kind of got the pile on or they lose credibility
Speaker 1: when you do something wrong or stupid. The press can't say, oh,
Speaker 1: it's all right. They're like, nah, I gotta keep my
Speaker 1: credib business. So they're gonna throw gasold on the fire.
Speaker 1: That's just the way the thing works. So the people
Speaker 1: around you, you got to have good people around you
Speaker 1: to tell you, like, no, Dre, you probably shouldn't do that. No, Chuck,
Speaker 1: you probably shouldn't do that. But on the other hand,
Speaker 1: there's so many people around you because on the pay
Speaker 1: road who livesten no man, forget him, he's this, he's that.
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of variables, but it really comes
Speaker 1: down to ego and stubborn. That's that's all it really
Speaker 1: comes down to. And I know for sure that you're capable,
Speaker 1: Uh putting your ego to the side by the way.
Speaker 1: When I first walked out, and I've told this story
Speaker 1: publicly before, when I first walked on to the set
Speaker 1: to do the arena with you carry Champion and Dwyane Wade,
Speaker 1: I mean there was there was no surprise I was
Speaker 1: coming on there. We have been talking back and forth
Speaker 1: in the media. You said you was gonna punch me
Speaker 1: in my face. I said I was gonna take your job.
Speaker 1: Like we can go on and on and on. It
Speaker 1: went on for years, And the moment I walked on
Speaker 1: that set, you got out of your seat. What's up, Draymond?
Speaker 1: How you doing? And I'll be one honest with you.
Speaker 1: I was walking up there like, whatever happened, happened? If
Speaker 1: he says something to me, if you want to punch me,
Speaker 1: I'm ready to go there. And you disarmed me so fast, like, hey,
Speaker 1: what's up man? How you doing? It's great to see
Speaker 1: you walcome and I'm just sitting there like what the hell?
Speaker 1: You know? What's really funny? You remind me a lot
Speaker 1: of Dennis Rodman, Like I want to play with you.
Speaker 1: You to be annoying as fun to play against, like
Speaker 1: I saw Dinnis at the seven five thing. We hugged
Speaker 1: each other, like brother, He's somebody I really liked a
Speaker 1: lot in respect, you're the same way. It would be
Speaker 1: annoying to play against you because number one, I don't
Speaker 1: think you've ever committed a foul and uh and that's hey,
Speaker 1: listen that that makes me laugh every time. But I
Speaker 1: think sometimes people don't realize and you're gonna realize it too.
Speaker 1: Like it was at two o'clock in the morning. Sometimes
Speaker 1: you're like, this dude has drive me crazy tonight. He's
Speaker 1: arguing with the RELs all night. And then Shack said,
Speaker 1: what do you want to do? And I just said,
Speaker 1: I just want to punch him in the face. And
Speaker 1: then what pissed me off about that night? To be
Speaker 1: honest with you, I was joking around and then the
Speaker 1: report I asked you that, and then you got to
Speaker 1: the See that's what That's one thing I tell brothers,
Speaker 1: you have to be really careful because everybody's got pride
Speaker 1: and ego. And I knew when I heard him ask
Speaker 1: you that question, I said, oh man, this dude. Don't
Speaker 1: think I'm serious about punching him. I ain't never gonna
Speaker 1: punch an NBA player, because we're all in the same family.
Speaker 1: But I knew because a lot of guys don't understand,
Speaker 1: like the media, when they asked you a question, they
Speaker 1: want you to come back at a dude, they want
Speaker 1: you to keep it going. That's why I never respond
Speaker 1: when God say bad stuff about me. I said, I
Speaker 1: take that goes with the job. Because the media, number one,
Speaker 1: they don't know a lot about basketball. So when they
Speaker 1: have two guys just going back and forth at each other,
Speaker 1: it's just crazy. And you know, like you kind of
Speaker 1: doing that, I said, we're doing their job for them. Like, no, man,
Speaker 1: you write about basketball, don't write about these two guys,
Speaker 1: because like, why are you writing about two guys who
Speaker 1: said something about each other? That's like, right now, I
Speaker 1: haven't heard of you, honest this response. But I heard
Speaker 1: Chace Oakley say that Johannest would be like coming off
Speaker 1: not that good of a player, and he'd be coming
Speaker 1: off the bench in our day, And like, I hope
Speaker 1: Johannest don't respond because then they're gonna go back and forth,
Speaker 1: back and forth, back and forth, and like nobody wins
Speaker 1: because Joannice is a great, great player. That dude can
Speaker 1: flat out ball I mean, well, is gonna be very
Speaker 1: interested in the next ten or fifteen years. Man, he
Speaker 1: gonna who if he? I mean, he's gonna set so
Speaker 1: many records because he's getting an easy twenty a night
Speaker 1: for the next ten ten because he's only like yeah.
Speaker 1: But I hope he don't respond because that was a
Speaker 1: stupid statement. It was unnecessary. But I can say that
Speaker 1: night when I hit it, I was opening around. It
Speaker 1: was like, I mean, but you y'all always the late games.
Speaker 1: It was like one o'clock in the morning, and I
Speaker 1: was joking around with Shaq and Kenny, and then I
Speaker 1: saw on that reporter asked you that question. I said, oh, man,
Speaker 1: he gonna think I'm serious. But like I said, you
Speaker 1: remind me a lot of Dinnis because Dennis, Man, that
Speaker 1: dude was a heck of a player. He was a
Speaker 1: hell of a player. He was so damn'm annoying to
Speaker 1: play against because you're trying to concentrate on basketball, and
Speaker 1: now he made it personal instead of you just playing basketball.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to go with him. I'm trying to go
Speaker 1: with then as every play. Now, Yo, man, I'm here
Speaker 1: sick hand with a great defender. You are you're talking trash.
Speaker 1: I'm going at your ass every time, and he gets
Speaker 1: in your head and you do exactly the same thing.
Speaker 1: So man, when you came in and show you you know,
Speaker 1: the first time I met you was in New Orleans. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I remember that. I remember I said, and I said,
Speaker 1: you're gonna be a hell of a NBA player. We talked,
Speaker 1: we were at some bar having fun as usual, and
Speaker 1: then I say, welcome to the NBA blah blah blah
Speaker 1: blah blah, and listen, you've had a hell of a
Speaker 1: career so foreigna and the future steal bright. But you
Speaker 1: got a long way to go. But I just think
Speaker 1: that we you're gonna learn this too. There's gonna be
Speaker 1: guys who when you have to talk about guys, they're
Speaker 1: gonna be like, I want to play with that dude,
Speaker 1: but he's annoying as hell because when you because because
Speaker 1: you know, it's like, uh like Loud, if I played
Speaker 1: against Luca, this dude could play on ever. He's a
Speaker 1: health player. I watched yall game Sunday night. I said,
Speaker 1: he get he got another technical, but he complains on
Speaker 1: every place and what he doesn't even realize he's making
Speaker 1: contact with the defense, which all great offensive players, so
Speaker 1: he is getting hit, but if he would asked to
Speaker 1: go back and look at the tape, he's the one
Speaker 1: making the contact. He does a lot of contact. The
Speaker 1: best player I see you do that. It's Adan iverson
Speaker 1: he because he's such a little dude and a great player.
Speaker 1: He always hit the defense first, and me, being a
Speaker 1: six five guy, I hate the defense every time, and
Speaker 1: every time they didn't call a file, I'm like, damn, dude,
Speaker 1: you didn't see that, and I didn't realize uns how
Speaker 1: I went back and watch the tape and like, oh,
Speaker 1: I asked for the one who made a contact with
Speaker 1: him because I had to get the six nine guy
Speaker 1: off of me. And a lot of guys are like
Speaker 1: that when they when they're great, the offensive players, depending
Speaker 1: on the size advantage, they always hit the defense first.
Speaker 1: That's that's the way you get them off. When I
Speaker 1: played against he's the best player I ever played again,
Speaker 1: I had to hit him like every single time, and
Speaker 1: because he was so long and lanky, but I was
Speaker 1: making contact with him every time, and every time they
Speaker 1: didn't call a pile, I bitched a complain about it
Speaker 1: and and switching gears a little bit um and just
Speaker 1: going back to the set, you, you and Shot go
Speaker 1: at each other more than anybody I know. Do y'all
Speaker 1: ever get to the point of where you're like, man,
Speaker 1: that like that was too much? Like? Do y'all ever
Speaker 1: get to the point where y'all really pissed that age?
Speaker 1: Because I know y'all our best of friends. But do
Speaker 1: y'all ever get to the point to where you're like, Yo,
Speaker 1: that was too much for that really pissed you off?
Speaker 1: Or you really pissed him off? I hope I pissed
Speaker 1: them off, because you know, because what he really don't
Speaker 1: understand it's he's always been the best player and the biggest,
Speaker 1: baddest dude. And what me and Kenny try to explain
Speaker 1: to him and you probably could explain also, I dude,
Speaker 1: we ain't more talented than everybody we play against. There's
Speaker 1: a strategy, there's a there's the there's a strategy, there's
Speaker 1: some techniques and things like that that are really important.
Speaker 1: But he's never had to worry about that, Dreke, because
Speaker 1: he's always been the biggest motile, athletic guy in the world.
Speaker 1: And he gets so mad when we try to talk
Speaker 1: basketball I said, and me and Kenny argue with him
Speaker 1: all the time. He like, won't they just get the
Speaker 1: ball to the big man, let him dominate. He's like,
Speaker 1: nobody's like you and Wilt Chamberlain. There's a strategy like
Speaker 1: me and Kenny and Dre. We have to have a
Speaker 1: strategy every night, special against whoever you're playing against. And
Speaker 1: he refuses to listen to that, but then he goes, right, well,
Speaker 1: you didn't win the championship. I said, you're right. Still
Speaker 1: don't mean you don't. We're talking basketball strategy, and I
Speaker 1: know every time I calling out on this strategy, he
Speaker 1: gets so pissed. And I love it. But the thing
Speaker 1: that I try to get him to understand is, Shack,
Speaker 1: we ain't don't like you. You've always been the biggest,
Speaker 1: baddest dude. You're You're you're bigger, stronger, faston than everybody
Speaker 1: you play. Again, when I play against Bird, Mkial car
Speaker 1: him alone, those three of the best, or Kevin Garnett, like,
Speaker 1: I have to watch tape and figure out how I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be successful against this dude. You know, I mean,
Speaker 1: I really have to feet. I said, I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: six five every day when I'm playing against six nine birds.
Speaker 1: I got to try to figure out how to attack
Speaker 1: him or stop him Mackel He's seven feet tall. I
Speaker 1: just can't post a seventh got up called alone Kevin Garnett.
Speaker 1: I mean when I'm it and he refuses to understand
Speaker 1: that there's in his strategy and basketball and you as
Speaker 1: a player who whoo, who survives on smart like you
Speaker 1: don't have to have a game plan against a lot
Speaker 1: of guys, and that's one of the reasons you've been successful.
Speaker 1: But he refuses to believe there's in his strategy and basketball.
Speaker 1: So so so it makes me mad and then I
Speaker 1: so I'll go ahead of myself. You just don't know
Speaker 1: anything about basketball, and he gets mad, which makes me
Speaker 1: last more inside. The kid is poking me on the
Speaker 1: table like get it, get it, And then so I
Speaker 1: know when I get him, yeah, you're not wearing anything.
Speaker 1: I'm like yeah, but we're talking basketball strategy. So it's
Speaker 1: fun for me, uh to to to rilly him up.
Speaker 1: But I wish that he would sit back and say this, Oh,
Speaker 1: maybe there is a strategy, but we all live in
Speaker 1: our own existence. Like he's like, he's never like I
Speaker 1: need to have a strategy against Stanley Roberts uh the
Speaker 1: kid by Mutombo, Rick Smith's Patrick gilling Uh like probably
Speaker 1: the only big guy who scooed him was probably a key. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then at once he became the full force. He
Speaker 1: became like he was pretty much unstoppable. But he has
Speaker 1: always been the biggest, baddest due so he he he
Speaker 1: refused to leave there's any strategy in basketball. And I
Speaker 1: just laughed my ass off because like, yo, man, you
Speaker 1: do know there's actually a strategy in basketball depending on
Speaker 1: who you playing against. But because of how great he was,
Speaker 1: he he doesn't care. Yeah, so uh in the time
Speaker 1: I can get his blood pressure up. I love it
Speaker 1: when when he when he hits you with the G
Speaker 1: four team classic k or you don't got rings? Does
Speaker 1: that ever, argue? And what do you make of what
Speaker 1: people make of rings? Because in some cases, I think
Speaker 1: you know, they can be overvalue sometimes for certain guys,
Speaker 1: like certain certain guys you didn't really contribute to get
Speaker 1: in that ring, but you got the ring. Great in
Speaker 1: some cases it doesn't matter. But I don't get listen
Speaker 1: and I'm sensitive or whatever. If people want I'm trying
Speaker 1: to figure out just because a couple of jackasses on
Speaker 1: television like Skill baylists who I hate more in life itself,
Speaker 1: starts talking about who one who didn't want, guy who
Speaker 1: never played, and now they're making a great living doing that.
Speaker 1: But what bothers me about that is basketball is not
Speaker 1: an individual sport. Absolutely like to go on television and
Speaker 1: talk about just because it based great TV play. Quait, dude,
Speaker 1: Basketball is a team game. You're making a great living
Speaker 1: because it's easy for people to attack certain guys the
Speaker 1: stars stars. You know they don't because I used I'll
Speaker 1: tell us I says. Nobody ever says, hey, man, Mark
Speaker 1: West didn't win the championship, you know, Kevin Johnson to
Speaker 1: a great teammates. Nobody ever said Dan Martin to win.
Speaker 1: But you get a guy like Skip Betis on television
Speaker 1: who's got a radio show the following he picks shots
Speaker 1: about certain guys who were great players who didn't win
Speaker 1: the championship, and he's made a great living doing it.
Speaker 1: But my thing has always been, wait, it's it's not
Speaker 1: it's it's y'all do know it's a team game, right?
Speaker 1: So that's only time I get mad when guys who
Speaker 1: never played the game, uh talk about who has a
Speaker 1: one and the thing and listen and uh and the
Speaker 1: point you said earlier, yeah, uh a couple of seconds ago.
Speaker 1: Like I don't even get mad at guys who can't
Speaker 1: play dead who get rings, good for them, But I
Speaker 1: don't want guys talking around talking about the dude. Never
Speaker 1: want anything like yo, man, you didn't even play in
Speaker 1: the game. I mean, like you can say to yourself, oh,
Speaker 1: I was a big part of the Warrior's winning. Like,
Speaker 1: but if some guy came at me who didn't even
Speaker 1: get in the game the time when he won the championship,
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeo, man, you you really you're crossing the
Speaker 1: line right now. But that's the only time. But I
Speaker 1: get offended when guys who have never played, who are
Speaker 1: making a lot of money talk about what he never
Speaker 1: won anything like what number one you never played? Let's
Speaker 1: get the doctor with but just attack guys who agreed
Speaker 1: at their sport. Uh. And there's a lot of guys
Speaker 1: who are great. I mean you look at Carl was great,
Speaker 1: John Stockton was great, Pat the Union was great. He
Speaker 1: just never played on the best team. But to minimize
Speaker 1: what they did because it makes good internet, Um, you
Speaker 1: know they were on Matt Stafford before he got one.
Speaker 1: This year, Wait, did Matt Stafford get better? He went
Speaker 1: to a better team. We went to a better team.
Speaker 1: I mean he never won a playoff game in Detroit.
Speaker 1: He went the championship. Now what all of a sudden.
Speaker 1: He's a great, great player. I wish him nothing but
Speaker 1: the best, But he went to a great team. But
Speaker 1: you know that that was the narrative when the years started.
Speaker 1: He's not that good. He's not that good. Now he
Speaker 1: wanted like okay, now they go to the next guy.
Speaker 1: So it's probably gonna be probably, I don't think Josh
Speaker 1: Allen was great. Probably got a couple more years. It's
Speaker 1: gonna be tricky on Pat Mahomes. They're gonna turn against him.
Speaker 1: They've already started turned to him. It turned against Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1: So if you get one, then you get like you
Speaker 1: get him off your back for a minute, and like,
Speaker 1: were here only one one? You know? So I just
Speaker 1: kind of sit back and laugh when guys who've actually
Speaker 1: never strapped them up make money talking about who never
Speaker 1: wanted the thing? Absolutely, you know, I didn't used to
Speaker 1: pay attention to a lot of the stuff. And I say,
Speaker 1: over the last and I still I don't watch a
Speaker 1: lot of it now, but because on Instagram you see
Speaker 1: everything pop up on your phone and like like Skip
Speaker 1: Baylors for instance, Like it's baffling to me, Like I
Speaker 1: remember a time when you know, um media guys couldn't
Speaker 1: be homers, um you know you even even riding one
Speaker 1: guy like Skip does Lebron, it was it was almost
Speaker 1: viewed as distasteful. And now it's like, no, that's a
Speaker 1: real a thing, like the way he rides Lebron James, Like,
Speaker 1: no matter what Lebron does, that's a real thing. Like
Speaker 1: where did that change? How did we go from you
Speaker 1: can't be a homer two that, like it's two totally
Speaker 1: different ends of the spectrum. Well when guys are making
Speaker 1: money doing that, well, like because now it's a full
Speaker 1: fledged business, Like Skip Baylors hates Lebron and Aaron Rodgers,
Speaker 1: and for me, I hate that because the one thing
Speaker 1: I try to do is I'm never gonna lie on
Speaker 1: television because people believe what they see on television. And
Speaker 1: if you have watched Kill Baylors, you know he hates
Speaker 1: Lebron and he hates Aaron Rodgers, and that ain't right
Speaker 1: in my opaient because let me tell you something, Lebron James,
Speaker 1: I think it's now I'm an m J guy like that. Clear, yes,
Speaker 1: but I think what Lebron has accomplished is arguably the
Speaker 1: greatest story in sports history. For number One, you look
Speaker 1: at Kobe, Kevin Garnett, guys like that, they were not
Speaker 1: good players when they first got to the NBA. That's true.
Speaker 1: Lebron is the only player in my forty years in
Speaker 1: the NBA who played great from day one, and for
Speaker 1: him to turn into one of the best players ever,
Speaker 1: he's never gotten in trouble, especially in this twenty four
Speaker 1: hour news cycle with social media. For him to be
Speaker 1: as great as he's been from the year eighteen to
Speaker 1: where he's at now, I think it's one of the
Speaker 1: great stories in sports history because number One, he was
Speaker 1: that good from day one, which I said his greatest
Speaker 1: Kobe became and Kevin guys like that they were not
Speaker 1: good there first for years. But Lebron was good from
Speaker 1: day one, and for him to never have gotten in
Speaker 1: trouble and kept that level of excellence out, I think
Speaker 1: it's one of the greatest stories ever. In my opinion,
Speaker 1: I agree. I always tell people, um with Lebron like
Speaker 1: that he got the Chosen One tattooed across his back.
Speaker 1: He had that that tattoo in high school, like King James.
Speaker 1: He was annoying at King James in high school. I
Speaker 1: think for what what's so incredible to me about Lebron
Speaker 1: is he probably had the highest expectations of any high
Speaker 1: school any player, but especially high school player ever coming
Speaker 1: into the NBA. Like even Michael Jordan's didn't have the
Speaker 1: expectations to become who Michael Jordan became when he came
Speaker 1: out of North Carolina. Lebron probably had the highest expectations
Speaker 1: we've never I mean, like I said, even those guys
Speaker 1: I mentioned earlier, Lebron was the only one who came
Speaker 1: in with that like you're supposed to be the next
Speaker 1: great player, and he exceeded that. But the thing is amazing, though, Drake,
Speaker 1: in this twenty four hour Reduce cycle, what people got
Speaker 1: cameras all the time, what he's exceeded off the court.
Speaker 1: Also between his greatness at basketball and what he's accomplished
Speaker 1: off the court, and he's never really had a serious
Speaker 1: pr I mean, the the decision thing leaving Cleveland, things
Speaker 1: like that. But to never get in trouble. It's one
Speaker 1: of the most amazing things I've ever seen in my life. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: I mean even even the decision, the decision raised what
Speaker 1: ten million dollars for charity or something like that, Well
Speaker 1: they kind of did that. They do they they knew
Speaker 1: they had messed up charity wise, you know, because because
Speaker 1: that was a bad thing. I mean in retrospect, I
Speaker 1: think it was a bad thing. I think they through
Speaker 1: the charity by aspect out there, it was like we're
Speaker 1: getting killed right now. But like I say, I don't
Speaker 1: even hold out against him because man to deal with
Speaker 1: all that pressure he's dealt with. I just think it's
Speaker 1: an incredible story. Absolutely. A couple more questions. I know
Speaker 1: we've been on for a while and I'll sit here
Speaker 1: and talk to you all day, as you know. I mean,
Speaker 1: all we need is a glass of Lobos or something
Speaker 1: and we'll keep this thing rolling. But no question, but
Speaker 1: does it One of the things that I really wanted
Speaker 1: to focus on it coming on tv UH and especially
Speaker 1: being an active player, was how do I be critical
Speaker 1: of god Eyes and say what needs to be said
Speaker 1: without disrespecting the guy or making them feel like um
Speaker 1: hating on them because I know we hear a lot
Speaker 1: or I mean I even hear it a lot today.
Speaker 1: I don't really get off into it no more because
Speaker 1: I see the other side of things. But you hear
Speaker 1: a lot today when UH like, for instance, when when
Speaker 1: Uncle today his comment came out, some of my boys
Speaker 1: hit man. They're like, why do would he say this?
Speaker 1: And just that another and you hear younger players always
Speaker 1: say man, them older guys are haters and and they
Speaker 1: just be hating and they're mad because they ain't make
Speaker 1: as much money and blah blah blah. Does it ever
Speaker 1: bother you? Um? When when a guy who you may
Speaker 1: say something about on TV, UH start to dislike you personally,
Speaker 1: or you see them and they don't want to speak
Speaker 1: or like, you know, the it's tension there. Does does
Speaker 1: that ever bother you? No? Because you know you're gonna
Speaker 1: be great at this business, and I think you're going
Speaker 1: to be. You gotta keep your credibility. You gotta keep
Speaker 1: your credibility because that goes back to we're talking about
Speaker 1: the reason I don't like skill Baylis is he covers
Speaker 1: for guys he likes. You can't pick out lebron and
Speaker 1: error because you don't like them, or that drives your
Speaker 1: ratings and your social media stuff, and then talk good
Speaker 1: about guys who are not nearly as good rate they
Speaker 1: are and blah blah blah. So he's become a television personality.
Speaker 1: But I think it's important to keep your your your
Speaker 1: your like said, Okay, I might not like what y'all said,
Speaker 1: but he's gonna be fair. Listen, there's gonna be times
Speaker 1: you have to criticize guys. There's gonna be time you
Speaker 1: have to criticize guys you like. All the fans gonna
Speaker 1: be like, oh, Draymond just he he likes his guys,
Speaker 1: and he's hard on the guys he don't like. But
Speaker 1: then you're gonna lose your credit ability. I don't think
Speaker 1: anybody can say in my one years that I said, oh, Charles,
Speaker 1: just don't like that guy. But I do think there's
Speaker 1: the way you can criticize guys without like I just say, yo, man,
Speaker 1: the guy just had a bad game. He played awful tonight.
Speaker 1: I don't have to say, oh, man, he sucks as
Speaker 1: a player, he's awful. I'm like, no, he didn't have
Speaker 1: a good game. First, they just saw this dude have
Speaker 1: a bad game. They just saw this dude have a
Speaker 1: bad game. If I get on TV and somebody, well,
Speaker 1: he didn't have that bad again, they're gonna be like, oh,
Speaker 1: that shucks boy, Yeah, that shucks boy. He he kills
Speaker 1: other people, you know. So the number one thing you
Speaker 1: have to do is keep your credibility because once you
Speaker 1: lose that, the players ain't gonna respect you. But more importantly,
Speaker 1: the fans ain't gonna respect you because when you're on television,
Speaker 1: you're really trying to relate of the fans and like
Speaker 1: I said, they might disagree with you, but as long
Speaker 1: as you're fair, they're gonna be cool with it. But
Speaker 1: the number one thing, though, Dred, when you get into
Speaker 1: this business full time. The people saw what just happened.
Speaker 1: They sat like, quit minute the drink. Just say this
Speaker 1: dude played good and he played so you can't. If
Speaker 1: you do that, they can be like, I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: listen to this due the more he got his guys
Speaker 1: he like. He killed the guys he like. So that's
Speaker 1: the key, keeping your credibility. So they ask you a question.
Speaker 1: You know, man, I gotta do my job. I gotta
Speaker 1: do my job. Absolutely no, I respect that and before
Speaker 1: we get out of here, are like I said at
Speaker 1: the big top of the show, you want Emmy's um
Speaker 1: You've done. Are there any goals for you that you
Speaker 1: set for yourself that you want to accomplish before you
Speaker 1: say like? Obviously as basketball players, you know we we
Speaker 1: all set these goals, right like I want to win
Speaker 1: a championship or I to win the Defensive Player of
Speaker 1: the Year of being All Star. All you set these
Speaker 1: goals for yourself and you said, I want to do
Speaker 1: this by the time I retire. Is there anything left
Speaker 1: for you and TV that you want to do that
Speaker 1: you say, I have to do this before I say
Speaker 1: I'm done. No, I think for me, we're we're we
Speaker 1: we are in every broadcasting Hall of Fame there is.
Speaker 1: I think we are considered by far the best television
Speaker 1: sports show ever. That means a lot to all of us.
Speaker 1: That means a lot to all of us. Uh, I
Speaker 1: do think it's a joke that we get awards and
Speaker 1: things like that. I'm not gonna lie. I was like,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, y'all gonna pay us and give us trophies. So,
Speaker 1: but the number one thing I won't I want fans
Speaker 1: to say, I might not like Charles Barkley opinion, but
Speaker 1: you know what he tells. He tries to be fair
Speaker 1: and honest. That's all I really care about. You know,
Speaker 1: when I got in this business, my mentor said to me,
Speaker 1: Dick ever saw He says, I think he's gonna be
Speaker 1: great on TV. He said, but you're always gonna be
Speaker 1: in trouble. I said, what does that mean? He said, Charles.
Speaker 1: Fans only want one or two things. They want you
Speaker 1: to tell them their favorite player is great and their
Speaker 1: team is great. He said, They don't want anything else.
Speaker 1: He says, Now, they're gonna respect you, but they ain't
Speaker 1: gonna like you. That's like when I meet NIXT fans,
Speaker 1: They're like, why you hate the Knicks? I said, Yo, man,
Speaker 1: I don't hate the Knicks. Y'all been sucking for twenty years.
Speaker 1: Why you want me to get on TV? And said,
Speaker 1: they're good? Right? Is that what you want? I mean,
Speaker 1: I've been here in the time for twenty some years
Speaker 1: on time in the time. I'm in New York. They oh,
Speaker 1: you hate the Knicks. I'm like, man, the Knicks been
Speaker 1: trash as long as I've been on television. What do
Speaker 1: you want me to say? You want me to get
Speaker 1: on t V said the nixt got a good team,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna look like a food because other than
Speaker 1: last year when they had a decent here, I can't
Speaker 1: remember them having a good year. I think Carmelo had
Speaker 1: a couple of great years there, but the team wasn't
Speaker 1: very good. But when you're in New York, they're like,
Speaker 1: you're a hater on the Knicks. I'm like, yo, man, seriously,
Speaker 1: you really want me to get on TV and kill
Speaker 1: my credibility that the Knicks got a good team. I
Speaker 1: ain't never lied about the Knicks. They just they've been awful.
Speaker 1: But I want fans to know that I just don't
Speaker 1: have a hit an agenda. That's the number one thing
Speaker 1: playing something. I respect that, Chuck. I appreciate you. I
Speaker 1: think for me again, I just want to say thank
Speaker 1: you for what you've done. What I mean, you went
Speaker 1: from being a Hall of Fame basketball player to transcending
Speaker 1: the broadcasting career after you're done playing. I don't think
Speaker 1: I can recall anyone that's done what you've done after
Speaker 1: the basketball our career that you had in this incredible
Speaker 1: So just from guys like myself and other guys that
Speaker 1: want to take that route. I just want to say
Speaker 1: thank you. And I think one of the most incredible
Speaker 1: things I can say about you that showed me what
Speaker 1: type of person you was. I always tell people because
Speaker 1: people still walk up to me like, oh, fuck Chuck
Speaker 1: and like all this stuff, and I'll be like, man, listen,
Speaker 1: that's one of my favorite people. And I knew that
Speaker 1: was that was evident for me. Two things. Um. Number one,
Speaker 1: I'm sitting in the green room, you know, um new
Speaker 1: on the job. I'm sitting in my locker room. You
Speaker 1: come in the studio loud as hell, of course, like
Speaker 1: only Chuck does, but you were speaking to everyone. And
Speaker 1: not only were you speaking to everyone, it was yo,
Speaker 1: what's up at who? Most everybody don't know? But asked
Speaker 1: the man behind the camera, you know, and like, quite frankly,
Speaker 1: in most worlds you wouldn't talk to that, right, I'm
Speaker 1: telling you the one thing those people I speak to
Speaker 1: everybody every night. I mean, for some reason, these foods
Speaker 1: have to go in there like twelve o'clock in the
Speaker 1: day and I'm saying to myself, we don't go on
Speaker 1: to seven. What the hell y'all been doing here since
Speaker 1: New They're like, Chuck, we gotta do this, we gotta
Speaker 1: do this, And I'm sitting there like, no, there's no ship.
Speaker 1: Take no seven hours for y'all to do. They're like, Chuck,
Speaker 1: we have to show up at twelve for seven o'clock show. So, Dre,
Speaker 1: I learned, well when I go there like they worked.
Speaker 1: I don't even know what they're doing, but it's gotta
Speaker 1: be hard work for them to get there seven hours
Speaker 1: in advance. So I make sure every time I go
Speaker 1: in the studio, I say, hey, how are you doing?
Speaker 1: How you doing? How are you doing? How you're doing?
Speaker 1: Because I said, I don't know what the hell they're
Speaker 1: doing for sure, ours, but I appreciate them being there
Speaker 1: for seven hours. I respect their time, and I really
Speaker 1: appreciate your kind words and listen. Whenever my journey is over,
Speaker 1: whether we work together or not, Hey, man, take it
Speaker 1: to the next level. You're gonna be great on television.
Speaker 1: You got careersman personality, and it's gonna be when you
Speaker 1: take over. I appreciate it. Man. Like I said, I
Speaker 1: thank you for paving away. I'm looking forward to catching
Speaker 1: up soon my brother, And like I said, I'm let
Speaker 1: the court. Thank you I'll be back out there in
Speaker 1: a few weeks and I'm dominating the asked again shock.
Speaker 1: But I'm letting Steve Curtinal right on this podcast right now.
Speaker 1: If Chuck sixty of Birthday Party happens on the night
Speaker 1: of a game, I will not be there. I will
Speaker 1: be at Chuck sixty of Birthday Party. I don't care
Speaker 1: who in the media got something to say about it.
Speaker 1: I don't care if y'all want to light me up
Speaker 1: or rip me a new one. I'm at Chuck Cities
Speaker 1: and that's how it's gonna on. Hey, let me tell
Speaker 1: you this. Uh, y'all keep winning, because I want to
Speaker 1: see the Phoenix signs against the go to state work.
Speaker 1: We got the Western Conference this year. I want to
Speaker 1: sleep in my own bed in Phoenix and I want
Speaker 1: to make that short trip to San Francisco. So y'all
Speaker 1: both get it, and I'll see you in the Western
Speaker 1: Conference finals. My brother, Yes, sir, my brother, Thank you, Chuck.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you. Okay, brother, y'all be safe. Man. That
Speaker 1: was such an incredible and insightful interview. I mean we
Speaker 1: we talked to everything from socio economics to um how
Speaker 1: African Americans are already behind. I mean not even really
Speaker 1: African Americans. Yes, African Americans, but just poor people are
Speaker 1: already behind the eight ball. Um. I mean we discussed broadcast,
Speaker 1: and we discussed plan we discussed relationships between African American men.
Speaker 1: I learned so much. I took so much away from
Speaker 1: that interview. Chuck is is always extremely insightful and he
Speaker 1: never lacks for words, as we all know, as you
Speaker 1: know by Mr Tripple Single, as you know by I
Speaker 1: want to punch him in his face. That guy never
Speaker 1: lacks words, yet has become one of my absolute favorite
Speaker 1: people in the world. Like I said, one of the
Speaker 1: best people I've ever been around. Uh an extreme pleasure
Speaker 1: and honor that I had to to sit alongside him
Speaker 1: and work alongside him, and then also, um continue to
Speaker 1: with with my deal that I signed with Turner Sports.
Speaker 1: So I'm extremely blessed and lucky to have someone like
Speaker 1: that in my life and to to have started building
Speaker 1: a relationship with the Chuckster because he's He's just an
Speaker 1: incredible human being. And I hope you all took the
Speaker 1: same thing away from that interview. Hopefully you got the
Speaker 1: opportunity to know him even a little better than you
Speaker 1: knew it for and how brilliant was the Kobe Jim.
Speaker 1: I mean that's one for the ages, Like could you
Speaker 1: imagine number one Cob and Shock back together, which I
Speaker 1: think would have been beautiful for everyone, But then just
Speaker 1: adding Code's knowledge to that panel, with the goat, uh,
Speaker 1: the guyfather Ernie Johnson, with the jet with Shock diesel
Speaker 1: as I said, and with the chuckster Man, that would
Speaker 1: have been incredible. But unfortunately we never got to see it,
Speaker 1: and fortunately enough, maybe fortunately we did it, because that
Speaker 1: also means Cobe got to spend more of that time
Speaker 1: that he would have been doing that with his family,
Speaker 1: as we all know, the tragedy that shook all of
Speaker 1: our lives, um and more importantly his family life. So
Speaker 1: I think that's still one that I can't let go.
Speaker 1: I still get super sad when I see something to Kobe.
Speaker 1: I still get super sad when I hear his name,
Speaker 1: Like I'm not sure if and when I'll ever get
Speaker 1: over that, um as I know a lot of people
Speaker 1: have and I and I still send my love to
Speaker 1: Vanessa and his girls because I just can't imagine. But
Speaker 1: like I said, such a great episode, um, such a
Speaker 1: great interview with Chuckster. I am thankful to the Chuckster
Speaker 1: uh so incredible. Make sure you guys subscribe to the
Speaker 1: podcast if you haven't, subscribed to the Volumes YouTube channel
Speaker 1: if you haven't. And that's it from The Draymond Green Show,
Speaker 1: episode fifteen. That's a rap. Catch you'all next week piece