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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your guide to

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Speaker 1: the whitetail woods, presented by First Light, creating proven versatile

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Speaker 1: hunting apparel for the stand, saddle or blind. First Light

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Speaker 1: Go Farther, stay Longer, and now your host, Mark Kenyon.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. This week, on

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Speaker 2: the show, I am conducting a comprehensive review of the

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Speaker 2: many different tactics for killing mature bucks in October that

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Speaker 2: have been shared with me over the course of Wired

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Speaker 2: to Hunt's seventeen year history. Really all right, welcome back

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Speaker 2: to the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to you by

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Speaker 2: First Life. Today in the show, we are kicking off

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Speaker 2: the month of October with a little bit of a

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Speaker 2: different kind of episode. Today, we are going to be

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Speaker 2: reviewing the entire month. We're going to be discussing ideas

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Speaker 2: and tactics and strategies that you can use from October first,

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Speaker 2: which if you're listening to this right now when I'm

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Speaker 2: releasing it, that would have been yesterday. But you can

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Speaker 2: you can use these tactics from early October all the

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Speaker 2: way through to Halloween. And these are going to be

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Speaker 2: ideas that are not coming from me. They're not coming

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Speaker 2: from just one expert guest. As we've done on many

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Speaker 2: different episodes, this is going to be a set of

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Speaker 2: ideas that is going to pull from hundreds of guests

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Speaker 2: who have significantly influenced myself and many of you, because

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Speaker 2: I have been running this thing Wired to Hunt or

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Speaker 2: somewhere around seventeen or eighteen years now, and I've talked

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Speaker 2: to hundreds and hundreds of different die hard, incredibly serious

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Speaker 2: over the course of that, I've gotten this very unique,

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Speaker 2: high level, kind of thirty thousand foot overview of the

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Speaker 2: many different ways to do this thing we call deer hunting.

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Speaker 2: Maybe if there's been any one takeaway for me over

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Speaker 2: the last almost twenty years, it's been that there are

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Speaker 2: many different ways to skin this cat. There's not just

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Speaker 2: one approach to killing deer, or one approach to successfully

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of different ideas out there and many

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Speaker 2: I was recently struck by this realization that I've had

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Speaker 2: the very unique and fortunate opportunity to have talked to

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Speaker 2: read dozens of different books from these people. I've gotten

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Speaker 2: to consume hundreds and hundreds of different articles from these people.

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Speaker 2: And because of my job, I've had this unique chance

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Speaker 2: the podcast. But you know, in any one of our

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Speaker 2: but it's it's kind of narrow. We're getting these little

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Speaker 2: instead will go, let's go look at every single study

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Speaker 2: of what we're doing today. What I want to do

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Speaker 2: excerpts from books, from podcasts, from videos, hearing from these

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Speaker 2: How they do it, when they do it, why they

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Speaker 2: all these folks. That's the goal with today's podcast, and

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Speaker 2: that's what we're going to do. So it's you and

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Speaker 2: very quickly, before we get into that, I want to

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Speaker 2: give you one quick housekeeping item. If you are listening

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Speaker 2: October second, twenty twenty five. If you are listening right now,

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Speaker 2: it is Whitetail week over at met eat. That means

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Speaker 2: A couple very quick things that are probably most relevant

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Speaker 2: to you. Number one, the main First Light outerwear systems

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Speaker 2: the core, and the thermic. All of those are thirty

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Speaker 2: So that's what led to the Wired Hunt buck Grunt.

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Speaker 2: This is similar to the Beta Pro, but it is

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Speaker 2: We've had some very good conversations with them over the years.

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Speaker 2: or a pear tree, or whatever it might be. Big

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00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:15,320
Speaker 2: considerations throughout the month of October is that overlap. Imagine

433
00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:18,760
Speaker 2: this Venn diagram of safe places and food sources. Whenever

434
00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:20,639
Speaker 2: you can get that to overlap that place in the

435
00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:23,880
Speaker 2: middle where you have the safe and the food that's

436
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:27,199
Speaker 2: palatable and attractive right now. That is really going to

437
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:30,359
Speaker 2: be key for your early October hunts right on through

438
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:33,680
Speaker 2: much of the month. So those are a couple of

439
00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:37,080
Speaker 2: things to be thinking about for the first part of

440
00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:42,200
Speaker 2: this month. Scouting in early October can look like many

441
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:45,159
Speaker 2: different things. Of course, running trail cameras this time of

442
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:49,159
Speaker 2: year is an obvious tool to be determining where deer are,

443
00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:52,720
Speaker 2: what they're doing, what bucks are in the area. Probably

444
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,439
Speaker 2: the best foods or excuse me, the best locations or

445
00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,480
Speaker 2: cameras in early October are similar to what they'll be

446
00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:00,800
Speaker 2: through much of this month, which is going to be

447
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:04,919
Speaker 2: scrapes in and around the edges of bedding years and

448
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 2: or the edges of quality foods. So same thing what

449
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:09,800
Speaker 2: we just talked about. These deer want to be near

450
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:13,120
Speaker 2: the attractive food source. They're living by their stomachs right now,

451
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:15,600
Speaker 2: and they want to feel safe if you can put

452
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,359
Speaker 2: a cell camera somewhere like that, And for me, I

453
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:20,120
Speaker 2: really like no matter what it is, if it's next

454
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,960
Speaker 2: to a food plot, if it's inside corner of a cornfield,

455
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,840
Speaker 2: if it's a creek, crossing leading into a cornfield or

456
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:29,600
Speaker 2: a you know, any kind of food source. I always

457
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:31,720
Speaker 2: like to have a licking branch in front of that

458
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:34,920
Speaker 2: camera because that is just a little sweetener that will

459
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,439
Speaker 2: stop a deer right in front of your camera, or

460
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,399
Speaker 2: that maybe will attract that deer the five yards that

461
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:42,320
Speaker 2: you know they need to come off of their normal

462
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,639
Speaker 2: path to get to where your camera is. So if

463
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 2: there's not already a scrape in a place I want

464
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:50,000
Speaker 2: to be, ninety nine percent of the time, I will

465
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:52,679
Speaker 2: build a mock scrape to have that in front of

466
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:54,680
Speaker 2: the camera. So if this is like in a field,

467
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:56,639
Speaker 2: I'll cut down a tree and put a tree in

468
00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 2: the field and make a fake scrape tree. If this

469
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:02,159
Speaker 2: is in the woods, I'll you know, break a branch

470
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,879
Speaker 2: down if I need to, or use a piece of

471
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:07,359
Speaker 2: rope to pull down a branch, whatever it needs to

472
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 2: be to get a licking branch at deer eye height

473
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,160
Speaker 2: and then kick out the dirt underneath it to make

474
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 2: that mock scrape. I'll pee in that scrape to kind

475
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 2: of give it that urinecent that will kickstart use of it.

476
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 2: If you use any kind of send product like preorbital

477
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:25,680
Speaker 2: gland scent. Put that in the licking branch. That can

478
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:28,960
Speaker 2: work too, But again this is just too sweeten the

479
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,199
Speaker 2: deal in front of your cameras to give you a

480
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:34,119
Speaker 2: better idea of what's in that zone. Because something to

481
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,679
Speaker 2: really think about throughout the entire month of October when

482
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:40,000
Speaker 2: you're scouting for deer with cameras is that cameras show

483
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:42,960
Speaker 2: a narrow slice of what's actually happening. You have a

484
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:47,240
Speaker 2: very small view of the terrain around you, and there's

485
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:52,640
Speaker 2: you know, almost always much more happening around your cameras

486
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 2: than they actually show. So do not fall for, you know,

487
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 2: the cameras being everything. Do not assume they're telling you

488
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,440
Speaker 2: the full story. They're just giving you a small glimpse.

489
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:07,159
Speaker 2: So cameras are part of the scouting strategy. If you

490
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 2: live in a place where you can get eyes on

491
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:11,880
Speaker 2: your hunting area from afar, if you can sit at

492
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 2: the road with binoculars, or get up on a hill

493
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:17,680
Speaker 2: with binoculars, or hunt a tree, stand in a fence

494
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 2: row that's far away from the core of your property

495
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:23,399
Speaker 2: that still gives you a view to core places. Having

496
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:30,720
Speaker 2: long distance glassing opportunities is huge, because again, deer are

497
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,679
Speaker 2: still on patterns at this time of year. So the

498
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 2: name of the game is identifying the pattern, identifying the

499
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:41,160
Speaker 2: key food, identifying the bed, identifying the travel between the two.

500
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:43,960
Speaker 2: If you can identify that, they're one of these ways

501
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 2: we've talked about, scouting with cameras, scouting with your binoculars,

502
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:50,360
Speaker 2: or maybe just being there on the ground and scouting

503
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 2: sign you can uncover that kind of line in the sand.

504
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,879
Speaker 2: If you can uncover that those clues, you all of

505
00:26:57,880 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 2: a sudden have an opportunity to go in and enter.

506
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 2: That is the name of the game for hunting October

507
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 2: first through the early twenties at least, that's it. That's

508
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 2: what we're trying to do in a nutshell, So don't

509
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 2: forget that sometimes scouting is more important than hunting. This

510
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 2: is something that I've heard from so many different people.

511
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 2: Andy May is a perfect example of this. He's a

512
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 2: guy who on his lunch break before work, after work,

513
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,160
Speaker 2: any spare moment of time he gets, he's out there

514
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 2: walking the edge of a cornfield looking for tracks, or

515
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 2: sitting in his truck and glassing a field from afar

516
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 2: to see where the deer are coming out into an opening,

517
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:38,159
Speaker 2: or moving a camera somewhere else. He is a scouting fiend,

518
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 2: as are many of the other best deer hunters we've

519
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 2: talked to over the years. Scout scout, scout. You know,

520
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:50,159
Speaker 2: sometimes more days of scouting in less actual days. Hunting

521
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:56,200
Speaker 2: is a recipe for success, because you know, one well planned,

522
00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 2: well informed hunt is worth much more than three or

523
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 2: four or willy nilly hunts where you're just sitting somewhere

524
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:06,160
Speaker 2: to sit. That's something that has been, you know, brought

525
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 2: up time after time after time, whether it be someone

526
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 2: on managed properties like Mark Drury and Terry Drury, or

527
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 2: whether it's someone who's doing DIY public land hunting, or

528
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 2: you know, buy permission stuff like Andy may or John Eberhart,

529
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:21,680
Speaker 2: or the guys from the hunting public. You know, they're

530
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,959
Speaker 2: they're either figuring this stuff out in the moment and

531
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 2: puzzling those pieces together, or they are spending weeks and

532
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 2: weeks and weeks ahead of time to figure out what

533
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 2: is going on in October, so then when they show

534
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,680
Speaker 2: up to hunt, they know where to be and they

535
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 2: can do it quickly and effectively without educating. Deer calling

536
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 2: in early October is something I want to touch on

537
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 2: very briefly. This is not a major focus, I think

538
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 2: for most people for the first ten month or first

539
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 2: ten days of the month, but you can have some success.

540
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 2: There are people that have called in deer in October

541
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 2: in early October. Excuse me. There's a few ways to

542
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 2: do that that keep on coming time and time again

543
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 2: from other people, and that I've found in my own

544
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 2: experience as well. Number One, if I'm doing a grunt

545
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 2: call of any kind, it's a contact grunt. It's a

546
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 2: very lit here. I've got one right here. It's a

547
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:15,479
Speaker 2: very simple light just bop like this. You don't need

548
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 2: to be aggressive, you don't need to be overly repetitive,

549
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 2: you don't need to go overboard with it. You're simply

550
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 2: saying to another deer, hey, I'm here. That's it. At

551
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 2: this time of the year, deer are curious, deer are social.

552
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 2: They're beginning the bucks are beginning to start sorting out

553
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 2: the hierarchy of the herd in the area. So when

554
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 2: they know, oh, there's another buck over there, just behind

555
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 2: those trees, sometimes they might be curious enough just to

556
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 2: come and check it out. Who's here, what are they doing,

557
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 2: what's going on over there? A contact grunt like that

558
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 2: can work. Similarly, very light rattling can work. It just

559
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 2: posted something on my Instagram account about the fact that

560
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 2: I have seen a ton of pictures and videos on

561
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 2: my trial cameras over the last handful of days of

562
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 2: bucks just lightly sparring. I mean, like lots, like many, many,

563
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 2: many examples on different properties, different places of bucks, just

564
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 2: clacking the antlers together, lightly tickling the times, kind of

565
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 2: pushing each other back and forth. They're not fighting in

566
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 2: any kind of way. It's not aggressive. It's just kind

567
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 2: of like just kind of feeling feeling things out. That's

568
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 2: something you can take advantage of with some light tickling

569
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 2: of the times or just lightly bumping together your rattling

570
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 2: bag whatever is you're using. That is something that again

571
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 2: could trigger a little bit of curiosity that could get

572
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 2: a deer to come, you know, fifty yards out of

573
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 2: the brush to come peek into the field, or peek

574
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 2: into the opening, or come check out this little scrape

575
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 2: area you're hunting. That is an option to consider at

576
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 2: this time of year as well. Finally, if you're trying

577
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 2: to fill an antler list, tag a great option anytime

578
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 2: of October, but especially now if you're trying to kill

579
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 2: a dough is a fawn in distress bleat. That's like

580
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 2: a high pitched kind of whining sound that a fawn

581
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 2: might make kind of sounds like I don't know, i'll

582
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 2: describe it, but something like that can bring a dough

583
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 2: in closer to see what's going on. If you need

584
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 2: to get a shot in antlerless deer in early October.

585
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 2: Those are some calling things to consider. The final thing

586
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 2: I will note is if you're looking at like how

587
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 2: aggressive you want to be with your hunts in early October.

588
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 2: This is kind of a phase where, like the first

589
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 2: couple of days of the season, if you're opening in October,

590
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 2: as we discussed at the beginning, that is a high

591
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 2: odds chance to catch deer unaware. So I'm willing to

592
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 2: be a little bit more aggressive for the first couple

593
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 2: of hunts. If we're going to rank my aggressiveness on

594
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 2: like a one to ten scale, maybe a ten would

595
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 2: be something I would do during the peak of the

596
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 2: rut when stuff's crazy, I'm going to go right into

597
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 2: the core of a property for the first couple days

598
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 2: of October. I think the general consensus for most people

599
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 2: I've talked over the years is that the first couple

600
00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 2: of days of any season could be worth a relative

601
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 2: high risk spot because those odds are especially high because

602
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 2: of them being unaware no hunting pressure up to this point.

603
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 2: So that might be worth like a seven or eight

604
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 2: on the aggressiveness scale. But then quickly after that most

605
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 2: people pull back a little bit. And in that case,

606
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 2: this might be different if you're on a traveling hunt,

607
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 2: but if you're hunting a place that you're going to

608
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 2: hunt throughout the rest of the year, now you need

609
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 2: to think about how your hunts are going to impact

610
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 2: the rest of the month of October, the rest of

611
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 2: your hunting season throughout the fall. So i might hunt

612
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 2: the first day or two in a seven or eight

613
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 2: ten aggressiveness stand and then I'm going to pull back

614
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 2: and be slightly more conservative to make sure that I'm

615
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 2: not blowing up this property before the next wave of

616
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 2: increased dear activity comes along. That's going to bring us

617
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 2: into the middle of October. The middle of October is

618
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 2: when many people pull back completely and become uber conservative,

619
00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 2: and this is because of the much ballyhooed, much discussed

620
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 2: October lull. Now there's two sides to this coin. We

621
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 2: need to discuss. I'll keep it kind of brief because

622
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 2: this has been discussed ad nausm over the years in

623
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 2: the podcast and many other places, but I do want

624
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 2: to present them in case you're not you know fully

625
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 2: in the know on this. So the October lull is

626
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 2: this idea that come mid October, bucks kind of go

627
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 2: nocturnal and don't move as much and activity is slower,

628
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 2: and so because of that, you should pull back in

629
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 2: the middle of October, be very conservative, maybe don't hunt

630
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 2: at all, and wait till the pre rut gets deer

631
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 2: moving in daylight again, especially mature bucks moving in daylight again,

632
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 2: and that rutting activity starts getting things going, and that's

633
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 2: when it's worth hunting, because in the middle of October

634
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 2: they're just not going to be in places you can

635
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 2: get a shot of them, So you're ruining your hunting

636
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 2: spots while not having a good chance of success. Anyways,

637
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 2: that is the kind of the frame of mind or

638
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 2: the overview of like the October lull approach. On the

639
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 2: flip side, the science, all of the studies that have

640
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 2: collared deer and observed how they move and where they

641
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 2: move and when they move, they have all shown that

642
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 2: buck activity actually does not go down through the month

643
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 2: of October. There's no lull in the middle of October.

644
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 2: When it comes to deer movement, there's actually a slow,

645
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 2: steady progression. There's an increase in deer movement and buck

646
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 2: movement too throughout this month, So there's no October lull.

647
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 2: But what I do think there is, in which many

648
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 2: people have talked about, is that there is an October shift.

649
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:42,439
Speaker 2: There is a change going on that does change where

650
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 2: bucks spend time, where bucks feed, and travel, how much

651
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 2: they travel all that. So if you are hunting the

652
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 2: same place as you hunted on October first, on October fifteenth,

653
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:58,320
Speaker 2: you probably will experience a lull because the deer changed

654
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 2: and you haven't. So what hunting the middle of October

655
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 2: requires is that you would just alongside that shift. So

656
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 2: because of that, there are two I would say camps

657
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:12,799
Speaker 2: of hunting the middle of October. You're going to have

658
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 2: the generally conservative let's wait for the right moments crowd.

659
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 2: I would put people like Marc and Terry Drury. I

660
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 2: would put Bobby Kendall, I would put Jeff Sturgis. I

661
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 2: would probably put John Eberhart in this camp. Folks like

662
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 2: that would be in the camp of let's kind of

663
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 2: look at our timing and time our hunts carefully in

664
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 2: the middle of October and not blow up things too

665
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 2: much at this time because we're still waiting for it

666
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 2: to get better. And then you've got another camp, which

667
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 2: we'll look at the middle of October, in all of

668
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 2: October as like, hey, it's getting better and better every day.

669
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 2: Let's keep punching in their punching, and they're punching in there,

670
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 2: and they simply will adjust to that October shift. So

671
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 2: they shift with the bucks, go to where the bucks

672
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:58,839
Speaker 2: are now, and if that requires being really aggressive, they

673
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 2: will do that. Many of these folks I'm talking to,

674
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 2: people like Dan Infult. I'm talking about the guys at

675
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 2: the hunting public. You know, I think the Daquistos have

676
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 2: done some of this. I think some of the Daquisto

677
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 2: disciples do some of this. Justin Hollinsworth. Folks within that

678
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:20,919
Speaker 2: world are going to be aggressively getting in after deer

679
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 2: closer to their betting years as the month of October progresses,

680
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 2: because that's that's a big thing here. I mentioned there's

681
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 2: some changes happening. Number One, hunting pressure is changing throughout

682
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 2: the month of October. Right, Let's say you hunt in

683
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 2: Iowa or Michigan or Ohio. The season has just opened,

684
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 2: either the last couple of days of September or early October.

685
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:44,359
Speaker 2: Within a couple days of hunts, there are a lot

686
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 2: of people in the woods, there's a lot of human

687
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 2: scent in the woods, and pretty quickly the deer herd

688
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 2: realizes that. So by October fifth, they're sixth, they're seventh.

689
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 2: These deer realize they're being hunted. They're being they're realizing

690
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 2: the places that used to be safe no longer seem

691
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:00,799
Speaker 2: so safe. So all of a sudden movement they were

692
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:02,840
Speaker 2: doing out in the edge of the field in daylight

693
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 2: maybe is now going to happen after dark. They are

694
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 2: still moving though, they are still there, but they're going

695
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 2: to be doing much more of that back in that

696
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 2: security cover. John Eberhart hammers us over and over and

697
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,879
Speaker 2: over again. If you hunt in a place with heavy

698
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 2: hunting pressure, you constantly need to be thinking about security cover.

699
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 2: Where do these deer feel safe during daylight? And for

700
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 2: most folks, that's deep in the cover, that's close to

701
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 2: the betting areas. You know where I live in southern Michigan.

702
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 2: This is near swampy, thick nasty cover, tall grass, water,

703
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:44,879
Speaker 2: tons of cedars or cat tails, just anything that makes

704
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,839
Speaker 2: it hard for you to move through there. That's where

705
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,879
Speaker 2: these deer feels safe because people don't want to move

706
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 2: through there. If you're in hill country, this might be

707
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 2: really thick nasty stuff or clearcuts or down you know,

708
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 2: tornado blowdown stuff like that. But it might also just

709
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:04,959
Speaker 2: simply be topography that will make deer feel safe because

710
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 2: of the advantages that topography can give them. Many times

711
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 2: in hill country, these bucks will like to bed down

712
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 2: off of a ridge, let's say about a third of

713
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 2: the way down the ridge, where they can, you know,

714
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,360
Speaker 2: have thermals coming up to them. They can have wind

715
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 2: coming from behind them and rolling over. They can catch

716
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 2: these swirling winds. They can see down the valley around them,

717
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 2: they can smell behind them, they can hear everything around them.

718
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,399
Speaker 2: They're going to have these different topographic features in their

719
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 2: favor so that they feel safe. That is how mature

720
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 2: buck gets mature. It's because he did things. He placed

721
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 2: himself in an area where he could stay safe and

722
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:43,360
Speaker 2: out of range of hunters for most of the daylight hours.

723
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:49,319
Speaker 2: So if you are going to shift with bucks in October,

724
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 2: it's going to require you get back in security cover

725
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 2: most of the time. If you're trying to kill mature

726
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 2: buck at this time of the year, it's going to

727
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 2: require you get closer to those bedding areas. And in

728
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:01,439
Speaker 2: many cases there's the two ways that people go about

729
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:05,439
Speaker 2: doing this. There would be let's say the dan Infalt Way,

730
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 2: which would be scouting all winter in early spring to

731
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 2: find all these betting years. He spends a lot of

732
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:14,319
Speaker 2: time in swampy spots where you know you're gonna find

733
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 2: a little bit of high ground out in that cattail

734
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 2: swamp and you're gonna find a big bed there and

735
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 2: some hair in it and some rubs around it, and

736
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 2: you can say, okay, this is where a buck has

737
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 2: been bedded. They'll mark that in the map, and he

738
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 2: knows he can come back there in the fall for

739
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,400
Speaker 2: a hunter or two and have a decent chance that

740
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 2: there could be a buck in that zone. He'll try

741
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:33,399
Speaker 2: to hunt around it, get closer to it, and make

742
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,359
Speaker 2: a move. The other approach would be if you were

743
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 2: hunting in new place where you've not been able to

744
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 2: do that kind of scouting. And this is something that

745
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 2: you know, Zach and Aaron and Jake and Ted and

746
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 2: the rest of the hunting Public crew do a lot.

747
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 2: They show up to an area in public land, they

748
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 2: look at maps, and they think about where they think

749
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 2: the betting is going to be. But then they're going

750
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 2: to hunt their way into those spots. They're gonna work

751
00:39:57,800 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 2: their way in. They're gonna go in thinking, Okay, I

752
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 2: think there's betting here, so let's push our way in there.

753
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 2: Let's get into that cover. But then they're going to

754
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 2: let the sign on the ground or let the deer

755
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 2: they see tell them when they need to stop. And

756
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 2: so I just talked to Ted a couple of weeks

757
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 2: ago about this and he described, you know, going into

758
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 2: an oak ridge that he thought, man, they're probably betting

759
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:19,280
Speaker 2: off of these points. I bet you there's acorns dropping

760
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 2: off of this ridge. Let's work our way in there.

761
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 2: Once they started bumping does out of their betting ere,

762
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:28,360
Speaker 2: they decide, Okay, yep, we've got to this layer of

763
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,879
Speaker 2: dough betting. There's probably buck betting beyond it. Let's hold

764
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 2: up here, hunt here, observe, and then either stick with

765
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 2: this or pushing deeper based on what we saw. So

766
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 2: you could kind of think of this as like a

767
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 2: layer by layer approach where you use sign on the

768
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:45,759
Speaker 2: ground or previous scout and to tell you, okay, this

769
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:48,919
Speaker 2: should get me into the general zone and then see

770
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 2: what happens on your hunt and then make the next

771
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:54,839
Speaker 2: move based on that. Again, October is very much trying

772
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,360
Speaker 2: to identify the betting and the feeding and the travel

773
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 2: between the two. So sometimes that's from long tosay since

774
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:03,800
Speaker 2: glassing from the road. Sometimes that's from actually hunting, seeing

775
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 2: that you're not quite on the X and then adjusting

776
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 2: to it. That's something that can work very well during

777
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 2: the month of October. I will say this, if you

778
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 2: are going to take this aggressive approach where you are

779
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 2: pushing in hunting, in security cover, trying to get something

780
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 2: killed in the middle of October, it's kind of a

781
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 2: you know, swing for the fences or strikeout kind of deal.

782
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:27,759
Speaker 2: It is going to make an impact. You can do

783
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 2: it a time or two and it very well could

784
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 2: pan out. You could kill a deer on the flip side,

785
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 2: you might not kill any deer, and you might blow

786
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 2: up the whole place. You might blow up this whole

787
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 2: betting area and make these deer feel much less safe

788
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 2: in that zone for future hunts. So, if you're on

789
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:45,839
Speaker 2: a traveling hunt and you're just hunting for a week

790
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 2: and a piece, this is a great approach. Make the

791
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 2: most of your time. If you are hunting public land

792
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:53,840
Speaker 2: and you have a lot of different public land locations,

793
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:55,840
Speaker 2: you can hunt here, there, you know, anywhere within a

794
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:58,280
Speaker 2: two hour radius, and you have a bunch of different

795
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:00,880
Speaker 2: places you've scouted or the earth that you want to hunt,

796
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:04,799
Speaker 2: this is a great approach. This is what Dan Infholt does.

797
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 2: This is what the hunting public does. These are people

798
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 2: who have a bunch of options. They might totally blow

799
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:13,760
Speaker 2: up a swamp, but that's okay because they have another

800
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 2: swamp and another swamp, and another ridge and another spot.

801
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 2: If you only have one place that you're trying to hunt,

802
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:21,800
Speaker 2: you've got a small twenty acre property or a seventy

803
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,879
Speaker 2: acre property that your gramm and grampa's farm, whatever it is.

804
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 2: If you are stuck hunting one spot, you want to

805
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 2: be much more careful because if you go go in

806
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:34,399
Speaker 2: and blow things up on October thirteenth, by doing this,

807
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:38,320
Speaker 2: it could really hurt your chances come October twenty fifth

808
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 2: or twenty ninth or November second. So this is something

809
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 2: that you need to really think about what your circumstances

810
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 2: are compared to the people you watch on TV or

811
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 2: the people you hear on this podcast. And remember that

812
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 2: each of these different approaches is appropriate for a different

813
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 2: set of circumstances. So if you are in the have

814
00:42:58,120 --> 00:42:59,919
Speaker 2: a small property to hunt, or I have a care

815
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 2: fully managed farm that I've been trying to make really

816
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 2: good over the years, you might want to take a

817
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 2: different approach. And the different approach is more of the juries.

818
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 2: It's more of the Jeff Sturgis approach, it's more of

819
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 2: the Bobby Kendall approach. I would say Don Higgins has

820
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 2: a little bit more of this kind of approach where

821
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 2: you have a carefully protected sanctuary of some sort. You

822
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 2: have your property or a portion of your property, or

823
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 2: a food plot on your property, or a betting area

824
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 2: in your property, someplace that you know deer like to

825
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 2: spend daylight hours, and you keep that feeling safe for

826
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:34,759
Speaker 2: those deer if you have control over it with a

827
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,759
Speaker 2: lease or permission for just yourself or you own it,

828
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 2: whatever it is. Throughout the month of October, you absolutely

829
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:45,760
Speaker 2: can kill mature bucks in places like that. You certainly

830
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 2: can kill them later in the month. The big question

831
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 2: is what are the days where it makes sense to

832
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 2: go into that sanctuary or to the edge of that sanctuary,

833
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 2: or to that good spot. What are the days that

834
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 2: give you the highest odds for success versus the and

835
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 2: the lowest odds of risk Because every time you hunt,

836
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 2: there is risk of deer smelling you, seeing you, hearing you.

837
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 2: So every single one of your hunts throughout the month

838
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 2: of October, you have to constantly weigh this risk. We

839
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 2: talked about this with doctor Grant Woods the other day.

840
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 2: You need to think about, Okay, how high are my

841
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 2: odds of killing a deer here versus how high are

842
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 2: the odds of me educating deer? And every day is

843
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 2: going to be a little bit different. There's gonna be

844
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 2: some days, like let's say, the first day of October,

845
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 2: as we discussed, where your odds for success are a

846
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:30,880
Speaker 2: little bit higher because they haven't been hunted yet. And

847
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:32,800
Speaker 2: so even if you go to somewhere where there's a

848
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:34,879
Speaker 2: little bit of risk, it might be worth it because

849
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:48,399
Speaker 2: those odds for success are extra high today. But now

850
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:52,319
Speaker 2: let's fast forward to October fifteenth. Let's say, and let's

851
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 2: say it's a hot, muggy day. It's still your area

852
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:59,919
Speaker 2: has been hunted heavily, and you don't really know where

853
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 2: these deer are. You haven't figured out how they've shifted. Well,

854
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 2: it sounds like my odds for success on that day

855
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:08,799
Speaker 2: are pretty low. If I want to go deep into

856
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 2: a betting year now, my risk is very high. So

857
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 2: I'm hunting a high risk location when the conditions and

858
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:17,359
Speaker 2: my information intel is telling me, well, not a great

859
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 2: chance for success anyways. So you're just blowing somewhere up

860
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 2: for very little reason. Those are the kinds of hunts

861
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 2: you want to avoid in this situation. You want the reverse.

862
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 2: You want a place where things are looking really good

863
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 2: and you have low risk. That's the ideal. So for

864
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 2: many people throughout the month of October, especially mid October,

865
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 2: they are being conservative on most days, maybe hunting you know,

866
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:42,919
Speaker 2: the periphery of a property, or hunting some public land

867
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 2: that they're not depending on fully, or they're trying to

868
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:48,879
Speaker 2: kill does on a part of a property that won't

869
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 2: impact where they think their main you know, buck betting is,

870
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:53,759
Speaker 2: or where their target buckets or whatever it might be.

871
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 2: And then on certain key days, when conditions or intel

872
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:00,839
Speaker 2: tell them, hey, it's a special day, then they are

873
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 2: going to one of these killing stands and taking advantage

874
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:06,800
Speaker 2: of it. There's a few different things that could be

875
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 2: indicative of a killing day. One of these special days

876
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 2: in mid October, one would be the weather. Cold fronts, especially,

877
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 2: I think, are something that a lot of us, a

878
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:20,799
Speaker 2: lot of hunters put a lot of weight on. An

879
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 2: important thing to note about cold fronts, about the moon,

880
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:30,360
Speaker 2: about barometric pressure, about any outside factor impacting deer movement.

881
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 2: Key thing to take note here is that no study,

882
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:38,799
Speaker 2: no science, no research has yet to back this up.

883
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:42,799
Speaker 2: So none of the GPS color studies have shown a

884
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 2: statistically significant impact for precipitation, or temperatures, or moon phase,

885
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 2: timing pressure, anything like that changing how much bucks move

886
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 2: or when they move. All that said, there's a bunch

887
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:58,400
Speaker 2: of hunters who feel otherwise. So I want to share

888
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 2: with you a few different exits and examples of these

889
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:04,400
Speaker 2: different perspectives. The first one is going to be the

890
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 2: impact of cold fronts. I'm going to read to you

891
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:10,839
Speaker 2: from Jeff Sturgis's book Mature Buck Success by design. All right,

892
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 2: So Jeff discussing cold fronts, he spends a lot of

893
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 2: time analyzing the weather waiting for these key cold fronts

894
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:23,320
Speaker 2: to move through, and when they do in mid October

895
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:25,840
Speaker 2: or really all through the month, that is when he

896
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:28,360
Speaker 2: will dive into his best locations. So here in the

897
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:31,279
Speaker 2: book he says, in simple terms, if the weather is

898
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 2: unseasonably hot, mild, or boring, it pays to seek other activities.

899
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:38,240
Speaker 2: On the other hand, if the weather is unseasonably cool,

900
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 2: make sure to hit the woods. By focusing on high

901
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:44,759
Speaker 2: quality days both inside and outside of the rut, you

902
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 2: can discover a season full of exceptional days for you

903
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:50,239
Speaker 2: to take advantage of. In fact, you may find that

904
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 2: some of the days outside of the rut, which might

905
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 2: be triggered by wind snow, rain, or temperatures, will rival

906
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 2: or even beat some of the best days that the

907
00:47:57,719 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 2: rut has to offer. Best of all, if you will

908
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 2: allow the fluctuation of weather patterns to define your hunting opportunities,

909
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 2: your land will not become burned out by hunting too

910
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:10,799
Speaker 2: many days in a row. Now, there's three parts to

911
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 2: a cold front. According to Jeff Sturgis, there is the setup.

912
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:18,400
Speaker 2: There's the drop, and then there's the calm afterwards. So

913
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:21,280
Speaker 2: a quick extra here discussing the setup for a cold front.

914
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:24,360
Speaker 2: Without the actual setup for the best days to be

915
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:26,799
Speaker 2: in the woods, there would not actually be any high

916
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:30,240
Speaker 2: value days to predict. The extremity of the front plays

917
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 2: a major role in the quality of the CITs that follow.

918
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:35,880
Speaker 2: The higher the winds and the more unstable the front,

919
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 2: including rain, ice, or snow, the more attractive the calm

920
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 2: and cold days are that follow. Warm weather, stormy weather,

921
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:46,920
Speaker 2: and any set of consistently poor conditions all serve to

922
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:49,799
Speaker 2: set up an incredible date to be in the woods afterwards.

923
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 2: So what he's saying here is that, you know, the

924
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:57,360
Speaker 2: impact of a cold front is all relative to how

925
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 2: bad things were beforehand. So stuff was really bad beforehand,

926
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 2: Maybe that was like a long stretch of very kind

927
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 2: of hot temperature, you know, a lot of stability. If

928
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:11,240
Speaker 2: you have a long stretch of the same undesirable condition,

929
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 2: then when that cold front finally comes, that's going to

930
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 2: make it a dramatic change. Or if you had a

931
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 2: very long stretch of like super severe wind and rain

932
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 2: and nastiness something else, that would put deer down a

933
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 2: little bit when it finally cools down and calms down

934
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:29,800
Speaker 2: after that. Again, it's a significant change that, in Jeff's purview,

935
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:32,400
Speaker 2: will get you a little bit better of a bump

936
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:34,719
Speaker 2: in activity. Now when he talks about the drop, here

937
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 2: we go, folks. It doesn't matter if it's September, October,

938
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 2: or November. If you see a ten degree temperature drop

939
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 2: or more, make sure you head to the woods. Although

940
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:44,840
Speaker 2: I really start to take notice of at least a

941
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 2: five degree temp drop, I prefer at least eight to

942
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 2: ten degrees of change in the forecast. The more extreme

943
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 2: the conditions during the front, along with the larger the

944
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 2: temperature change, the higher the value of the potential sits

945
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 2: to come afterwards when conditions calm. So kind of the

946
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 2: same thing we discussed there a second ago. Finally, the

947
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:05,759
Speaker 2: calm the first high pressure, cool and clear day that

948
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 2: you can recognize following that front, make sure to hit

949
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:11,800
Speaker 2: the woods. Keep in mind that predicting a high value

950
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 2: sit goes well beyond focusing merely on high pressure conditions.

951
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:17,799
Speaker 2: Well out of quality set up and drop. A good

952
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:20,280
Speaker 2: high pressure day is just another day in the woods.

953
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 2: So to review, Jeff wants a long stable setup, so

954
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 2: this might be a long period of hot days or

955
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 2: a long period of just like the same old, same old,

956
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:35,360
Speaker 2: over and over over again. Then he wants a big drop,

957
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:38,360
Speaker 2: he wants a ten degree temperature drop or more, and

958
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:42,759
Speaker 2: then he wants those days immediately following that being you know,

959
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 2: the days where it gets cold and the days where

960
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:48,800
Speaker 2: the high pressure comes in and then things calm down. Those,

961
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 2: you know, one, two, three days afterwards can be particularly

962
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 2: good days in October. When you have something like that

963
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 2: happened on October twelfth, or October sixteenth, or October twenty second,

964
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:02,759
Speaker 2: or whatever it might be, Many many folks key in

965
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 2: on that those can be some of the best days

966
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 2: of the month of October. That is one perspective on

967
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 2: conditions and it can impact deer. Someone who has a

968
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:17,880
Speaker 2: relatively similar perspective but slightly different particulars is Bobby Kendall.

969
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 2: Bobby Kendall from the White Tail Group. He's been some

970
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:24,239
Speaker 2: great episodes. I should have mentioned. Jeff Sturgis has been

971
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 2: on a number of great episodes with us where he's

972
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:29,359
Speaker 2: talked in detail about how he predicts deer movement, about

973
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:32,360
Speaker 2: how he sets up his hunts. I highly recommend checking

974
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 2: out those as well. As some more recent episodes we've

975
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:37,920
Speaker 2: done with Bobby Kendall, who I think as a really

976
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:40,799
Speaker 2: interesting perspective on this. He calls the best days a

977
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:43,359
Speaker 2: magic X day, and I want to play you an

978
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 2: excerpt here from a podcast chat we had where he

979
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 2: discusses exactly what he calls a magic X day, how

980
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 2: he tracks these, and how that helps him pick the

981
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:58,319
Speaker 2: right days in October, especially mid October, late October, to

982
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 2: go in and hunt his best spot. Here's what Bobby

983
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:01,279
Speaker 2: says about that.

984
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:08,279
Speaker 4: So, yeah, in October, so magic X day. So I

985
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 4: use the Weather Underground. I'll show you here real quick,

986
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:16,840
Speaker 4: maybe on the phone so people can understand.

987
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 2: It a little bit better.

988
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 4: But I use the Weather Underground, not the app, but

989
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 4: I use the the website on the phone, and then

990
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 4: I anchor it to my homepage and I'm trying to

991
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:31,840
Speaker 4: pull it up here. But it just shows a really

992
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:35,320
Speaker 4: big display and any app that shows the pressure line

993
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:39,720
Speaker 4: will work, but it just shows it really really nice

994
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 4: and big and clear.

995
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 2: But essentially what the magic X is.

996
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 4: And it's more pronounced that time of year than it

997
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:50,719
Speaker 4: is in the summer. But when you have a high

998
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:54,120
Speaker 4: pressure front come in, you'll see the black line on

999
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 4: that app particularly, but that's the that's the high pressure,

1000
00:52:57,239 --> 00:53:00,279
Speaker 4: and it'll look like that. And then at the same

1001
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 4: time you have temperatures dropping, so the temperature line is dropping,

1002
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 4: you know, humidity is usually dropping, cloud covers dropping, so

1003
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 4: it literally kind of makes an X on the graph

1004
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 4: and you can see it instantly. And those days in

1005
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 4: October they trump everything. I mean, you know, if you

1006
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 4: have a big deer on camera, and it's not just

1007
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:28,759
Speaker 4: late October, it becomes more powerful in late October. But

1008
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 4: whenever it whenever it happens.

1009
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:33,920
Speaker 2: Is really good. Like I think two years ago it

1010
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 2: was a really good.

1011
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:38,319
Speaker 4: Stretch like October sixteenth to the nineteenth, and then within

1012
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:39,879
Speaker 4: the last couple of years there was a really good

1013
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:42,839
Speaker 4: stretch like the sixth to the tenth or something like that.

1014
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:44,760
Speaker 2: It doesn't really matter.

1015
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 4: But you know, there's all these different things that affect

1016
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 4: deer movement, and when you line them all up, like

1017
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:52,920
Speaker 4: their mindset in the end of October, they're just so

1018
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:55,360
Speaker 4: much more rambunctious and rammy. So if you get a

1019
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:57,320
Speaker 4: magic X day in the end of October, yeah.

1020
00:53:57,160 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 2: It's better, all right. So that is Bobby Kendall's take

1021
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:05,799
Speaker 2: on how he times his hunt in October looking for

1022
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:09,400
Speaker 2: those magic X days that that rising barometric pressure, the

1023
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:15,799
Speaker 2: declining cloud cover and temperatures dropping. The third perspective or

1024
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:18,920
Speaker 2: theory I want to share with you is around the moon.

1025
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:22,360
Speaker 2: This is a big one. A lot of people believe

1026
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:24,920
Speaker 2: that the moon can impact your movement in one way

1027
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:28,680
Speaker 2: or another. This is one that again, the science has

1028
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 2: not backed up. The research has not backed up, but

1029
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:34,920
Speaker 2: folks like Mark and terror Jury, like Adam Hayes, like

1030
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:40,480
Speaker 2: dan Ienfhalt, like Andre Dequisto, countless others have pointed to

1031
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 2: there being something there. I've described myself as moon curious.

1032
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:48,640
Speaker 2: I don't really do anything like I don't plan any

1033
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 2: of my hunts around the moon. I don't have it.

1034
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:53,880
Speaker 2: You have too much of a bearing on my approach

1035
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 2: to things. But I'm curious about it. I observe it.

1036
00:54:56,719 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 2: I keep on waiting and wanting for something to pop up.

1037
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 2: This show correlation. But there are some people that live

1038
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:05,560
Speaker 2: and die by it, and one of those people is

1039
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:10,040
Speaker 2: Adam Hayes. Adam Hayes is a bowhunter from Ohio. He's

1040
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:13,719
Speaker 2: had success all over the country. He's killed multiple two

1041
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:16,719
Speaker 2: hundred inch plus bucks, many many many other matured deer.

1042
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:23,160
Speaker 2: He's fully ascribed to the red Moon theory. He also

1043
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:26,759
Speaker 2: sells a product related to it. But he seems to

1044
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 2: really truly believe in it and has a lot of

1045
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:31,359
Speaker 2: success with it. So I want to play for you

1046
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:34,480
Speaker 2: an excerpt from episode two ninety nine of this podcast,

1047
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:37,960
Speaker 2: where Adam described his take on the red moon theory,

1048
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:40,880
Speaker 2: what that means, how he uses that to plan his

1049
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:44,440
Speaker 2: hunts during this month. Just for those that aren't familiar.

1050
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:46,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, so I've been using the moon guy for twenty

1051
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:49,360
Speaker 5: years and it's just really about it has nothing to

1052
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:51,560
Speaker 5: do with the phases of the moon. It's about the

1053
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:54,400
Speaker 5: position of the moon in the sky and the gravitational

1054
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:57,960
Speaker 5: pool and how that affects maturitier to move because you

1055
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:00,920
Speaker 5: only have a handful of the each month. When that

1056
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:05,400
Speaker 5: moon is peaking at prime time in the evenings, you know,

1057
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:08,120
Speaker 5: and it's just another thing added to the wind and

1058
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:10,560
Speaker 5: the weather to push that deer to get up and

1059
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 5: move during daylight when he's normally not going to do that.

1060
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:16,560
Speaker 5: So those are the evenings I focus on. And like

1061
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:20,240
Speaker 5: I said, anytime you have multiple factors like the wind

1062
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:23,600
Speaker 5: in the moon, the weather in the moon, or all three.

1063
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:26,520
Speaker 5: You know, it's about stacking the deck in your favor.

1064
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:29,960
Speaker 5: It's you know, putting everything in your favor that you

1065
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 5: can do. And you know, after using the moon guy

1066
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 5: for twenty years, I've just seen it happen and have

1067
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:40,359
Speaker 5: killed too many big deer that just normally don't move

1068
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:43,200
Speaker 5: during daylight. But you killed them right when that moon

1069
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:44,280
Speaker 5: peaked in the evening.

1070
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:46,840
Speaker 3: You know, it's it's not a dick.

1071
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:49,279
Speaker 5: I mean, it's Mother Nature. I didn't invent the moon.

1072
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 5: The moon the moon and the gravitational pull is strong

1073
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 5: enough to move the oceans, the biggest mass on this planet.

1074
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:03,880
Speaker 5: You cannot tell me that that does not affect animals

1075
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:04,720
Speaker 5: and fish to feed.

1076
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:10,480
Speaker 2: So obviously he has a strong opinion on this. But

1077
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:14,399
Speaker 2: to paraphrase this a little bit and to make sure

1078
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 2: that folks understand, he's using a tool called the Moon Guide.

1079
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:19,600
Speaker 2: That's the product that he now sells. But what it

1080
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 2: shows you is the times when the moon is either

1081
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 2: directly overhead or directly underfoot, when that coincides with the

1082
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:31,440
Speaker 2: kind of typical primetime hours of daylight or sorry of

1083
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 2: deer movement, which are the you know, the beginning of

1084
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:35,720
Speaker 2: the day and the end of the day, when that

1085
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:39,560
Speaker 2: moon is directly overhead or underfoot during those typical peak windows,

1086
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:43,560
Speaker 2: the belief is that you have an especially good chance

1087
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:48,600
Speaker 2: for deer activity. The druries believe that it's a little

1088
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:50,880
Speaker 2: bit different. They they are looking at like the moon

1089
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:53,479
Speaker 2: on the edges. So when the moon is rising during

1090
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:55,360
Speaker 2: one of those peak morning or evening hours, or if

1091
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 2: the moon is still out in setting during that early

1092
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 2: morning or late evening hours, that's what they believe is

1093
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:06,000
Speaker 2: a particularly good time. So again, there's a lot of

1094
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:08,920
Speaker 2: different angles to this. There's a lot of different perspectives.

1095
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:11,840
Speaker 2: I think the key thing all these different people might

1096
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:15,120
Speaker 2: disagree on what's the very most important factor. Is it temperature,

1097
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:18,720
Speaker 2: is it wind speed, is it bearometric pressure, is it

1098
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:21,880
Speaker 2: the moon? Or maybe you're one of those people who

1099
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:24,640
Speaker 2: think that you know, none of it really matters because

1100
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:27,560
Speaker 2: the science hasn't backed it up. The key thing for

1101
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:31,680
Speaker 2: most of October, but especially the middle of October, is

1102
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:36,360
Speaker 2: that you do not want to just mindlessly pound your

1103
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:39,600
Speaker 2: best hunting places. Goes back to what we talked about earlier.

1104
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 2: Every time you hunt, you were educating deer. You are

1105
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 2: making your next chance, your next hunt harder. You are

1106
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:49,600
Speaker 2: going to make these deer smarter every time you go

1107
00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:52,200
Speaker 2: in there unless you are really really careful about how

1108
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:54,720
Speaker 2: you do so. So the two things you want to

1109
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:56,840
Speaker 2: do are number one, be very very careful about how

1110
00:58:56,920 --> 00:58:59,960
Speaker 2: you hunt to reduce your impact, to reduce your chain

1111
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:04,360
Speaker 2: instead of educating deer. And then number two, don't hunt

1112
00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:08,080
Speaker 2: too much or in too aggressive of a manner, or

1113
00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:10,960
Speaker 2: in too many times in the same single place. So

1114
00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:13,360
Speaker 2: one way to do that is to time your hunts,

1115
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:16,000
Speaker 2: to be selective about the days that you choose to

1116
00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:18,520
Speaker 2: call in sick or the nights that you choose to

1117
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:21,680
Speaker 2: you know, use the good ad jail free card with

1118
00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:23,840
Speaker 2: your spouse and say, hey, I got I gotta bounce

1119
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:25,919
Speaker 2: away from this family thing and instead go hunting tonight

1120
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:28,400
Speaker 2: because it's one of these special days. That's what these

1121
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:31,080
Speaker 2: folks are talking about. That's when the fronts the pressure,

1122
00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:33,000
Speaker 2: the magic X day, is the red mode, anything like

1123
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:36,840
Speaker 2: that, that might be the indicator that these could be special days.

1124
00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:40,040
Speaker 2: Of course, scouting intel can also be that. So if

1125
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:43,720
Speaker 2: you have found, you know, through trail camera pictures, maybe

1126
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:46,640
Speaker 2: that you have multiple days of daily activity from a buck,

1127
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:48,760
Speaker 2: that might be the sign like, hey, it's time to go,

1128
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:51,920
Speaker 2: or maybe you were out glassing on an evening and

1129
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:54,240
Speaker 2: you were able to see a buck doing that kind

1130
00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:56,240
Speaker 2: of thing right now in the spot you can hunt. Well,

1131
00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:58,040
Speaker 2: then there's the sign you need to go in there

1132
00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:03,120
Speaker 2: and hunt. Another important piece of scouting information that a

1133
01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:05,840
Speaker 2: lot of people put a lot of weight behind folks

1134
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:09,320
Speaker 2: we've talked about already, folks like Don Haiggens, folks like Bobby,

1135
01:00:09,560 --> 01:00:16,280
Speaker 2: folks like Mark Drury. This would be historical patterns, annual patterns.

1136
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:18,320
Speaker 2: If I didn't mention Don Higgins. Don Haggens was one

1137
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:19,960
Speaker 2: of the guys that really I think brought a lot

1138
01:00:19,960 --> 01:00:23,880
Speaker 2: of attention to this early on, this idea that mature

1139
01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 2: bucks especially seemed to do something similar year after year.

1140
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:31,640
Speaker 2: If they kind of shift to their fall range at

1141
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:34,200
Speaker 2: the end of September as a two year old, is

1142
01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:35,800
Speaker 2: a pretty good chance that they'll do kind of the

1143
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:37,320
Speaker 2: same thing as a three year old, and as a

1144
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:40,480
Speaker 2: four year old and as a five year old. You know,

1145
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:43,560
Speaker 2: these things are always different, but it's weird. It's eerie

1146
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:47,520
Speaker 2: with mature bucks, especially how often they do things kind

1147
01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:50,920
Speaker 2: of on a cyclical nature. I had a buck, for

1148
01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:54,720
Speaker 2: whatever reason, three different years in a row would disappear

1149
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:57,800
Speaker 2: at the beginning of November, and he seemed to rut

1150
01:00:57,840 --> 01:01:00,560
Speaker 2: somewhere else for almost the entire month of November. And

1151
01:01:00,560 --> 01:01:03,280
Speaker 2: then every year early December he showed back up. He

1152
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:05,000
Speaker 2: did that three years in a row, and the third

1153
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:06,880
Speaker 2: year he was five and a half. I kind of

1154
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:08,960
Speaker 2: knew this was a thing he had done. I'd noticed

1155
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:12,080
Speaker 2: this pattern from previous years, and I said, I wonder

1156
01:01:12,080 --> 01:01:13,880
Speaker 2: if he's going to do the same darn thing this year.

1157
01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:16,040
Speaker 2: And so I was keeping an eye on things. And

1158
01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:18,560
Speaker 2: then early December, the first good condition day I had

1159
01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:20,720
Speaker 2: in early December, I was going in there after him

1160
01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:23,320
Speaker 2: and I did, and lo and behold, I saw him

1161
01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:25,280
Speaker 2: for the first time in five weeks. I think, and

1162
01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:28,480
Speaker 2: kill them. This is something that time and time again,

1163
01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:31,840
Speaker 2: these guys are pointing out, these guys are taking advantage of.

1164
01:01:32,160 --> 01:01:35,200
Speaker 2: So it's not just what your most recent scouting intel

1165
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:38,400
Speaker 2: tells you, but it's also what years in the past

1166
01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:42,040
Speaker 2: have told you. So try to identify trends like that.

1167
01:01:42,200 --> 01:01:45,000
Speaker 2: Try to take note of when your target deer or

1168
01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:47,320
Speaker 2: when amature buck or whatever dear it is that you're

1169
01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:49,600
Speaker 2: targeting this year, What do they do last year? If

1170
01:01:49,600 --> 01:01:51,440
Speaker 2: you hunted there in the past, if you have pictures,

1171
01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:55,280
Speaker 2: if you have notes, what have the general trends on

1172
01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:58,800
Speaker 2: this property been from previous years, and then plan for

1173
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:01,640
Speaker 2: that this year so that you are hunting there and

1174
01:02:01,720 --> 01:02:03,440
Speaker 2: waiting for them and they are at the right time

1175
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:05,320
Speaker 2: when they show back up or when that peak of

1176
01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:08,560
Speaker 2: activity arrives, whatever it might be. That's another important thing

1177
01:02:08,600 --> 01:02:11,320
Speaker 2: to be thinking about throughout this month of October as

1178
01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:14,240
Speaker 2: we go throughout it. I want to share one other

1179
01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:17,560
Speaker 2: opinion here on how to approach this month, and this

1180
01:02:17,600 --> 01:02:21,800
Speaker 2: is from Steve Bartilla, another great hunter writer. In his

1181
01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:25,080
Speaker 2: book Big Buck Secrets, he discusses having a hunt plan

1182
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:28,080
Speaker 2: for the month of October and how you can shift

1183
01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:31,160
Speaker 2: that throughout the month. So he says here, I'm going

1184
01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:33,920
Speaker 2: to read an excerpt. When a hunter believes they can

1185
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:37,760
Speaker 2: safely pull off multiple sits, they're most often best served

1186
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:39,960
Speaker 2: by following the pattern of trying to get it done

1187
01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:43,120
Speaker 2: by nipping at the edges of cover and slowly moving

1188
01:02:43,160 --> 01:02:46,280
Speaker 2: deeper on an as needed basis. At the same time,

1189
01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:48,840
Speaker 2: their stand choices should come from a pool the best

1190
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:51,480
Speaker 2: fits what mister big That's like a buck, what the

1191
01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:54,720
Speaker 2: buck is driven by during each particular phase of the season.

1192
01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:57,640
Speaker 2: For example, it doesn't make much sense to be sitting

1193
01:02:57,640 --> 01:03:00,000
Speaker 2: at your best rut funnel or on the downwind side

1194
01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:02,440
Speaker 2: of a dough betting year during the first week of October.

1195
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:06,880
Speaker 2: Save those rut stands for during the rut. Instead, look

1196
01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:09,200
Speaker 2: at all the food and water related stands you have.

1197
01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:12,240
Speaker 2: Hopefully you have the scouting information that determines which one

1198
01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:15,680
Speaker 2: to sit. If not, begin with your lowest impact stand

1199
01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:18,240
Speaker 2: that works best for the wind, then slowly climb the

1200
01:03:18,320 --> 01:03:21,240
Speaker 2: rankings of impact with each new day. Doing so will

1201
01:03:21,320 --> 01:03:24,520
Speaker 2: keep your property fresh for the longest time. If you'll

1202
01:03:24,520 --> 01:03:26,840
Speaker 2: be hunting the property all season, it may be best

1203
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:29,919
Speaker 2: to save your highest impact food related stands until the rut,

1204
01:03:30,040 --> 01:03:31,720
Speaker 2: or until mister Big tells you to hunt them.

1205
01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:31,920
Speaker 3: There.

1206
01:03:32,520 --> 01:03:35,040
Speaker 2: Many hunters choose to wait until the rut to begin hunting,

1207
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:37,680
Speaker 2: but I enjoy chasing deer way too much to do

1208
01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:41,400
Speaker 2: that and have no desire to waste early season opportunities. However,

1209
01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:44,560
Speaker 2: I often won't hunt the high impact food related stands,

1210
01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:46,920
Speaker 2: and by avoiding them and nipping at the edges and

1211
01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:50,760
Speaker 2: low impact stands, the property stays fresh as if you'd

1212
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:53,200
Speaker 2: waited until the rut, only you've been able to enjoy

1213
01:03:53,240 --> 01:03:55,400
Speaker 2: some hunting time and had the potential to tag in

1214
01:03:55,480 --> 01:03:59,320
Speaker 2: early season buck. So this again comes back to I

1215
01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:01,880
Speaker 2: think what we've spent the last fifteen minutes discussing, which

1216
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:04,880
Speaker 2: is weighing risk and reward and knowing that it's a

1217
01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:07,280
Speaker 2: long season and just looking at the month of October,

1218
01:04:07,360 --> 01:04:10,200
Speaker 2: it's a long month. So knowing when to be aggressive,

1219
01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:12,720
Speaker 2: when to hunt high impact stand versus knowing when to

1220
01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:15,520
Speaker 2: lay back and hunt those low impact stands, that is

1221
01:04:16,040 --> 01:04:21,640
Speaker 2: that's absolutely critical for the month of October. So taking

1222
01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:24,040
Speaker 2: your big swings when the conditions are right, when you

1223
01:04:24,040 --> 01:04:26,280
Speaker 2: get the cold front, the magic acts, the moon, whatever

1224
01:04:26,280 --> 01:04:29,240
Speaker 2: it is you like, whichever belief you ascribe to, or

1225
01:04:29,240 --> 01:04:31,320
Speaker 2: when the wind is just right, or when you're intel

1226
01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:33,960
Speaker 2: and scouting tells you it's just right, otherwise being a

1227
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:37,440
Speaker 2: little bit more conservative and waiting, or take the infault

1228
01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:40,160
Speaker 2: and hunting public approach, which is like pound pound pound,

1229
01:04:40,560 --> 01:04:42,800
Speaker 2: But you are going to all these different places, so

1230
01:04:42,920 --> 01:04:45,160
Speaker 2: making a high impact doesn't matter because you're just going

1231
01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:46,960
Speaker 2: to go to a new property the next day or

1232
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:51,440
Speaker 2: the next weekend. Those are two different schools of thought

1233
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:54,320
Speaker 2: for mid October. Really the whole month of October, but

1234
01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:57,920
Speaker 2: especially in the middle. As we move towards late October,

1235
01:04:58,080 --> 01:04:59,840
Speaker 2: we're going to move here into the final phase of

1236
01:04:59,840 --> 01:05:04,280
Speaker 2: the month, things again start shifting. And what's shifting here

1237
01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:08,120
Speaker 2: more than anything is dear behavior. We get the first

1238
01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:11,480
Speaker 2: big curveball in dear behavior because we are shifting away

1239
01:05:11,560 --> 01:05:14,640
Speaker 2: from the bed defeed pattern and we're moving into a

1240
01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:17,720
Speaker 2: rut pattern. But this is like that intermingling, Zoe. This

1241
01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:20,440
Speaker 2: is like talking about ven diagrams. This is where those

1242
01:05:20,440 --> 01:05:23,280
Speaker 2: two things intermingle. We're getting the beginnings of the rut

1243
01:05:23,480 --> 01:05:26,560
Speaker 2: mixing with the bed defeed pattern. And so because of that,

1244
01:05:26,920 --> 01:05:29,800
Speaker 2: this is another extra special window of the season. I

1245
01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:31,640
Speaker 2: look at the first couple days of the season as

1246
01:05:31,720 --> 01:05:34,120
Speaker 2: one of these extra specials, and then I look at

1247
01:05:34,120 --> 01:05:36,439
Speaker 2: the end of October as another one of these extra

1248
01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:41,280
Speaker 2: special moments. And again many many folks echo this. I

1249
01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:44,280
Speaker 2: know Ben Rising puts a huge priority on late October.

1250
01:05:44,320 --> 01:05:48,000
Speaker 2: Adam Hayes, I think he's killed many of his biggest

1251
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:50,200
Speaker 2: bucks during what he calls Red October. Like the last

1252
01:05:50,240 --> 01:05:53,560
Speaker 2: ten days or so of October. This is this time

1253
01:05:53,600 --> 01:05:58,960
Speaker 2: period where you still have bucks living relatively along the

1254
01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:01,880
Speaker 2: same lines of their uneral bed defeed pattern that hopefully

1255
01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:04,720
Speaker 2: you've been learning about over the last few weeks. They're

1256
01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:08,440
Speaker 2: still betting in the same general handful of places. Probably

1257
01:06:08,800 --> 01:06:13,080
Speaker 2: they're still feeding in the same general handful of places. Now.

1258
01:06:13,120 --> 01:06:15,880
Speaker 2: Of course, food sources are evolving, so you have to

1259
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:18,720
Speaker 2: constantly be monitoring that. You know, are my deer on

1260
01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:21,400
Speaker 2: corn now or are they mostly on acorns? Is that

1261
01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:23,960
Speaker 2: apple tree still dropping fruit or is it all eating up?

1262
01:06:24,320 --> 01:06:26,080
Speaker 2: This is something that throughout the month we need to

1263
01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:29,960
Speaker 2: keep watching. John Aberhart talks about doing this. He's constantly

1264
01:06:30,080 --> 01:06:32,800
Speaker 2: rotating through these different food sources and figuring out what's

1265
01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:35,720
Speaker 2: actually working, what's not, what's actually here, what's not. In

1266
01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:49,040
Speaker 2: an adjusting course based on that one. When we get

1267
01:06:49,040 --> 01:06:52,840
Speaker 2: to this time period, you are getting deer still on

1268
01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:56,960
Speaker 2: that kind of betting sorry feeding rotation. But now bucks

1269
01:06:56,960 --> 01:07:01,600
Speaker 2: are feeling extra excited because they are having these rising

1270
01:07:01,680 --> 01:07:04,160
Speaker 2: testosterone levels that have been rising all throughout the month,

1271
01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:06,920
Speaker 2: but they're nearing their peak now towards the end of October.

1272
01:07:07,240 --> 01:07:09,880
Speaker 2: They are ready to breed. They are just dying for

1273
01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:12,600
Speaker 2: those first females to come into heat and to be

1274
01:07:12,640 --> 01:07:16,080
Speaker 2: ready to breed. So the bucks are rammy as Bobby

1275
01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:18,920
Speaker 2: Kendall describes it. But the does, most of them are

1276
01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:21,400
Speaker 2: not quite yet ready. So you have bucks that are

1277
01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:24,160
Speaker 2: still doing something that hopefully you understand. You know some

1278
01:07:24,200 --> 01:07:26,800
Speaker 2: of their patterns, you know some of their behaviors and hotspots,

1279
01:07:27,120 --> 01:07:29,000
Speaker 2: but they're doing it more often, and they're doing it

1280
01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:31,320
Speaker 2: in daylight more often. So this is where you get

1281
01:07:31,360 --> 01:07:34,000
Speaker 2: some bucks making mistakes. This is where if you have

1282
01:07:34,120 --> 01:07:36,520
Speaker 2: a specific buck you've been after, this might be your

1283
01:07:36,640 --> 01:07:39,280
Speaker 2: very best time to kill that deer because they're moving

1284
01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:41,920
Speaker 2: more in daylight. They're taking a few more risks, but

1285
01:07:41,960 --> 01:07:44,600
Speaker 2: they're doing it in places that you understand. When you

1286
01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:47,520
Speaker 2: get into November, some of that gets thrown out the window.

1287
01:07:48,080 --> 01:07:51,280
Speaker 2: Some of this starts getting kind of subsumed by chaos

1288
01:07:51,320 --> 01:07:53,320
Speaker 2: when you get bucks chasing does all over the place

1289
01:07:53,320 --> 01:07:56,120
Speaker 2: and bucks making big trips to new areas seeking out

1290
01:07:56,160 --> 01:07:59,080
Speaker 2: doors or following doughs into new areas, and it just

1291
01:07:59,080 --> 01:08:02,200
Speaker 2: gets a little bit crazy. We have this special window,

1292
01:08:02,600 --> 01:08:04,320
Speaker 2: you know, it might be seven days, it might be

1293
01:08:04,360 --> 01:08:07,800
Speaker 2: ten days, give or take, where you have this ven

1294
01:08:07,840 --> 01:08:11,160
Speaker 2: diagram that really lines up well for hunters who know

1295
01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:14,560
Speaker 2: their area. Again, this might not be the very best

1296
01:08:14,560 --> 01:08:16,439
Speaker 2: time to just see a ton of deer or a

1297
01:08:16,479 --> 01:08:18,960
Speaker 2: bunch of bucks. That might be in November. But if

1298
01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:21,000
Speaker 2: you know a spot, if you know a buck and

1299
01:08:21,040 --> 01:08:23,760
Speaker 2: you've been trying to figure him out, this is probably

1300
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:27,120
Speaker 2: your best opportunity to do that. I want to read you,

1301
01:08:27,160 --> 01:08:29,160
Speaker 2: speaking of Adam Hayes, I want to read you a

1302
01:08:29,160 --> 01:08:32,400
Speaker 2: little segment here from a book called Real World White

1303
01:08:32,439 --> 01:08:36,880
Speaker 2: Tail Icons, and Adam contributed to this. Don Higgins edited it,

1304
01:08:36,920 --> 01:08:39,679
Speaker 2: but Adam contributed a bit here. I'm going to read

1305
01:08:39,720 --> 01:08:41,680
Speaker 2: this and kind of echoes some of the things I

1306
01:08:41,800 --> 01:08:44,599
Speaker 2: just said, but from the perspective of somebody who has

1307
01:08:45,080 --> 01:08:47,840
Speaker 2: done this consistently with a lot of success. So he says,

1308
01:08:48,120 --> 01:08:50,240
Speaker 2: when I'm after a specific buck, I want to know

1309
01:08:50,280 --> 01:08:53,160
Speaker 2: he's a homebody doing the same basic thing every day.

1310
01:08:53,560 --> 01:08:55,880
Speaker 2: A mature buck is going to be the most predictable

1311
01:08:55,920 --> 01:08:58,840
Speaker 2: and the most patentable before the rot influences him, and

1312
01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:03,000
Speaker 2: that's in October. There's a short window of opportunity in

1313
01:09:03,040 --> 01:09:06,040
Speaker 2: the early season. He discussed the following weeks, which are

1314
01:09:06,040 --> 01:09:08,040
Speaker 2: referred to as the October Law, can be a difficult

1315
01:09:08,040 --> 01:09:12,560
Speaker 2: time to hunt. The weather can be warm, acorns are falling, YadA, YadA, YadA, YadA.

1316
01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:15,000
Speaker 2: But then he says, towards the end of October, things

1317
01:09:15,080 --> 01:09:18,840
Speaker 2: begin to change, especially a buck's attitude. He's established his

1318
01:09:18,920 --> 01:09:22,320
Speaker 2: dominance and won't tolerate subordinate bucks in this area. Along

1319
01:09:22,360 --> 01:09:25,439
Speaker 2: with this testosterone levels, something else is changing inside him,

1320
01:09:25,640 --> 01:09:28,240
Speaker 2: his urge to breed. The problem for him, though, is

1321
01:09:28,280 --> 01:09:30,240
Speaker 2: that there are not yet any does in heat, and

1322
01:09:30,280 --> 01:09:33,479
Speaker 2: that's where our opportunity lies. During these last ten days

1323
01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:37,040
Speaker 2: of October, our adversary has all this frustration building inside

1324
01:09:37,080 --> 01:09:39,439
Speaker 2: of him, but nowhere to go with it. He's primed,

1325
01:09:39,720 --> 01:09:42,760
Speaker 2: but he's still doing the same thing every day. He's

1326
01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:45,240
Speaker 2: not chasing does in the next county, as he's still

1327
01:09:45,280 --> 01:09:48,680
Speaker 2: on a predictable pattern and very vulnerable. This is when

1328
01:09:48,720 --> 01:09:51,040
Speaker 2: our mature buck is most likely to make a mistake

1329
01:09:51,120 --> 01:09:53,760
Speaker 2: by responding to calling or getting up before dark to

1330
01:09:53,800 --> 01:09:56,120
Speaker 2: head for food. If you've done your homework and you

1331
01:09:56,160 --> 01:09:58,120
Speaker 2: know where this buck will most likely be during this

1332
01:09:58,200 --> 01:10:01,480
Speaker 2: time frame, this is a very deadly window of opportunity.

1333
01:10:01,880 --> 01:10:04,439
Speaker 2: I've managed to put three two hundred inch white tails

1334
01:10:04,439 --> 01:10:07,000
Speaker 2: on the ground during the last ten days of October.

1335
01:10:08,840 --> 01:10:13,760
Speaker 2: So red October, as he describes, it, is an absolute

1336
01:10:13,880 --> 01:10:19,120
Speaker 2: dynamite time of year. To pull this out. As I mentioned,

1337
01:10:19,479 --> 01:10:22,519
Speaker 2: these bucks that are still basically doing the same thing.

1338
01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:26,240
Speaker 2: They're still going bedding to feeding. So hopefully the knowledge

1339
01:10:26,280 --> 01:10:28,240
Speaker 2: you've accrued to this point of where these bucks are

1340
01:10:28,240 --> 01:10:31,479
Speaker 2: spending most of their daylight hours those bedding years, that's

1341
01:10:31,479 --> 01:10:33,400
Speaker 2: still going to be, you know, core to where you

1342
01:10:33,479 --> 01:10:36,519
Speaker 2: want to be. The food source still core to where

1343
01:10:36,560 --> 01:10:39,400
Speaker 2: you want to be. The only change might be that

1344
01:10:40,120 --> 01:10:42,800
Speaker 2: there's going to be some of bucks not heading to

1345
01:10:42,840 --> 01:10:46,400
Speaker 2: food sources to feed only in the evenings, but also

1346
01:10:46,720 --> 01:10:49,400
Speaker 2: to check for does. So thinking about where the absolute

1347
01:10:49,439 --> 01:10:51,559
Speaker 2: most does are right now, that's going to start getting

1348
01:10:51,560 --> 01:10:53,920
Speaker 2: more and more important as we get later into October.

1349
01:10:54,240 --> 01:10:57,120
Speaker 2: Thinking about how buck might scent check a food source

1350
01:10:57,160 --> 01:10:58,920
Speaker 2: at this time of year. He might not just walk

1351
01:10:59,040 --> 01:11:02,000
Speaker 2: right into feed he did on October first. He might

1352
01:11:02,080 --> 01:11:04,760
Speaker 2: want to kind of circle the downwind edge and scent

1353
01:11:04,960 --> 01:11:08,360
Speaker 2: check the trails or scent check the field before because

1354
01:11:08,360 --> 01:11:10,920
Speaker 2: he's hoping one of those dos is coming into heat.

1355
01:11:11,479 --> 01:11:15,040
Speaker 2: That's a consideration at this time of year. As Adam

1356
01:11:15,040 --> 01:11:18,679
Speaker 2: eluded in his expert there in the book, calling becomes

1357
01:11:18,760 --> 01:11:20,960
Speaker 2: more effective of this time of year. I would say

1358
01:11:21,040 --> 01:11:24,320
Speaker 2: as the month of October progresses more and more people

1359
01:11:24,360 --> 01:11:26,320
Speaker 2: are picking up the calls more often, and they're going

1360
01:11:26,360 --> 01:11:29,080
Speaker 2: to be more aggressive with them. So, you know, in

1361
01:11:29,120 --> 01:11:31,639
Speaker 2: the first couple of days of the season, I'm doing

1362
01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:35,080
Speaker 2: just a contact grunt. As we get into later October,

1363
01:11:35,120 --> 01:11:36,439
Speaker 2: this is when I'm going to be a little bit

1364
01:11:36,439 --> 01:11:38,760
Speaker 2: more aggressive. This is when you're going to hear, you know,

1365
01:11:39,640 --> 01:11:42,080
Speaker 2: your diehard deer hunter start using their grunt tubes a

1366
01:11:42,080 --> 01:11:44,080
Speaker 2: whole lot more. They might do something that's more of

1367
01:11:44,120 --> 01:11:47,080
Speaker 2: like a buck roar. They might do a snort, wheeze.

1368
01:11:47,479 --> 01:11:50,240
Speaker 2: And I look at calling, and this is my approach,

1369
01:11:50,280 --> 01:11:53,880
Speaker 2: but it's pretty much echoed by most others. You should

1370
01:11:53,920 --> 01:11:56,920
Speaker 2: look at your calling as being like a ladder, and

1371
01:11:57,000 --> 01:12:00,280
Speaker 2: you slowly work your way up that ladder, getting more

1372
01:12:00,320 --> 01:12:03,200
Speaker 2: aggressive as needed. You don't want to start typically at

1373
01:12:03,200 --> 01:12:04,760
Speaker 2: the top of that ladder. You kind of want to

1374
01:12:04,760 --> 01:12:07,599
Speaker 2: work your way there and then read a buck's body

1375
01:12:07,680 --> 01:12:11,360
Speaker 2: language and how he reacts to your call to determine

1376
01:12:11,360 --> 01:12:13,280
Speaker 2: whether or not you should take a step up the

1377
01:12:13,320 --> 01:12:15,920
Speaker 2: next rung. So, if I see a buck, you know,

1378
01:12:15,920 --> 01:12:19,000
Speaker 2: out of shooting range it's October twenty fifth, I'm first

1379
01:12:19,040 --> 01:12:20,920
Speaker 2: going to see if I can get his attention with

1380
01:12:21,040 --> 01:12:25,160
Speaker 2: a simple contact grunt as I showed you earlier, just right.

1381
01:12:25,760 --> 01:12:28,559
Speaker 2: If that does not catch his attention, or if he

1382
01:12:28,560 --> 01:12:30,920
Speaker 2: hears that looks my way, but just you know, keeps

1383
01:12:30,960 --> 01:12:33,280
Speaker 2: doing this thing like slowly walking along or working a

1384
01:12:33,320 --> 01:12:35,240
Speaker 2: scrape or whatever, then I might just give him a

1385
01:12:35,280 --> 01:12:38,040
Speaker 2: louder contact grunt or move into something that it might

1386
01:12:38,200 --> 01:12:40,559
Speaker 2: be described as like a buck roar or a growl.

1387
01:12:40,640 --> 01:12:43,679
Speaker 2: That's going to be deeper, louder, just more of like, hey,

1388
01:12:44,200 --> 01:12:50,800
Speaker 2: look at me, something like this, So again just ramping

1389
01:12:50,880 --> 01:12:54,760
Speaker 2: up my volume a little more punched to it. And

1390
01:12:54,800 --> 01:12:57,160
Speaker 2: then finally, you know, you can get really loud with that.

1391
01:12:57,680 --> 01:13:01,479
Speaker 2: If you are seeing that this buck is interested but

1392
01:13:01,840 --> 01:13:04,960
Speaker 2: still not committing, maybe he's ripping up a scrape now

1393
01:13:05,080 --> 01:13:07,800
Speaker 2: or something, but he's not coming to you, then you

1394
01:13:07,880 --> 01:13:10,160
Speaker 2: might take the final step up the ladder, which is

1395
01:13:10,160 --> 01:13:13,759
Speaker 2: a snort wheeze, which is basically equivalent to like pushing

1396
01:13:13,800 --> 01:13:15,320
Speaker 2: another guy at the bar. This is trying to pick

1397
01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:17,360
Speaker 2: a fight, and this is something you can just make

1398
01:13:17,360 --> 01:13:23,720
Speaker 2: with your mouth. It sounds like this you make that

1399
01:13:23,720 --> 01:13:25,800
Speaker 2: that is, you know, say they're going to really piss

1400
01:13:25,800 --> 01:13:27,800
Speaker 2: off a buck and he's going to come into you

1401
01:13:28,120 --> 01:13:29,519
Speaker 2: or he's gonna make nope, I don't want to fight,

1402
01:13:29,560 --> 01:13:31,760
Speaker 2: and he's gonna get out of there, so you can

1403
01:13:31,840 --> 01:13:35,000
Speaker 2: step up that ladder. If the buck is not committing

1404
01:13:35,040 --> 01:13:37,759
Speaker 2: to you but still showing like, you know, vague interest

1405
01:13:37,880 --> 01:13:41,479
Speaker 2: or disinterest. If a buck is showing the opposite, which

1406
01:13:41,520 --> 01:13:44,600
Speaker 2: is getting nervous or scared, then just stop going up

1407
01:13:44,600 --> 01:13:46,479
Speaker 2: the ladder. Just give up at that point, because you're

1408
01:13:46,479 --> 01:13:48,519
Speaker 2: only gonna make things worse if you do that. Let's

1409
01:13:48,520 --> 01:13:50,599
Speaker 2: say you do the buck roar and that buck tucks

1410
01:13:50,600 --> 01:13:53,960
Speaker 2: his tail and starts walking away. Don't keep sending him calls.

1411
01:13:54,040 --> 01:13:56,960
Speaker 2: Don't start ripping out, snort wheezes at him. He's telling you, hey,

1412
01:13:56,960 --> 01:13:59,320
Speaker 2: I'm not interested in this. If you do that contact

1413
01:13:59,400 --> 01:14:01,200
Speaker 2: run and he jumps a few steps away and then

1414
01:14:01,320 --> 01:14:05,120
Speaker 2: starts walking away, just stop. You know, whatever it is,

1415
01:14:05,520 --> 01:14:08,280
Speaker 2: read that language. If he shows aggression, if he puffs up,

1416
01:14:08,280 --> 01:14:10,360
Speaker 2: if his ears pin back, if he starts ripping up

1417
01:14:10,360 --> 01:14:13,160
Speaker 2: a rubber or a scrape or slowly you know, kind

1418
01:14:13,200 --> 01:14:16,840
Speaker 2: of hanging in your zone, take those steps. If he

1419
01:14:16,920 --> 01:14:19,400
Speaker 2: starts coming to you, like on a bee line, that's

1420
01:14:19,439 --> 01:14:22,960
Speaker 2: another reason to stop. Don't keep calling. If he's already

1421
01:14:22,960 --> 01:14:25,080
Speaker 2: doing the thing you want him to do. So that

1422
01:14:25,120 --> 01:14:27,080
Speaker 2: I would say is that is a pretty good synthesis

1423
01:14:27,160 --> 01:14:30,640
Speaker 2: of calling advice as October moves forward, and as a

1424
01:14:31,320 --> 01:14:35,679
Speaker 2: kind of encounter on wines rattling, same kind of thing

1425
01:14:36,120 --> 01:14:38,479
Speaker 2: in early October, as we discussed, you know that a

1426
01:14:38,479 --> 01:14:41,559
Speaker 2: little bit of time tickling can be okay. John Eberhart

1427
01:14:41,600 --> 01:14:43,800
Speaker 2: has been talking about this more recently that early and

1428
01:14:43,920 --> 01:14:47,680
Speaker 2: mid October. You know, light rattling has been very successful

1429
01:14:47,720 --> 01:14:50,280
Speaker 2: for him. When you get too late October, this is

1430
01:14:50,320 --> 01:14:52,559
Speaker 2: when you can start getting more aggressive because bucks aren't

1431
01:14:52,600 --> 01:14:54,679
Speaker 2: just like kind of tickling times and pushing each other.

1432
01:14:55,280 --> 01:14:57,120
Speaker 2: Now as we get to the last days of October,

1433
01:14:57,120 --> 01:14:59,679
Speaker 2: we're getting to real fights. We're getting to really trying

1434
01:14:59,680 --> 01:15:03,240
Speaker 2: to aablished dominance. You know, there might be a hot dough,

1435
01:15:03,320 --> 01:15:05,639
Speaker 2: the first hot dough, or very close to being ready

1436
01:15:05,640 --> 01:15:07,720
Speaker 2: to breed where bucks are all out really wanting to

1437
01:15:07,760 --> 01:15:10,320
Speaker 2: get after it. In that case, you can have real

1438
01:15:10,680 --> 01:15:13,799
Speaker 2: rut rattling sequences. You can really smash these things together,

1439
01:15:14,280 --> 01:15:18,360
Speaker 2: simulate that in pulling some deer, you know, to check

1440
01:15:18,360 --> 01:15:21,519
Speaker 2: out what's going on. My experience, and I think this

1441
01:15:21,560 --> 01:15:24,800
Speaker 2: has been echoed by many others, is that those kinds

1442
01:15:24,840 --> 01:15:28,120
Speaker 2: of aggressive, especially rattling sequences, tend to work better in

1443
01:15:28,160 --> 01:15:32,400
Speaker 2: areas where there's lower hunting pressure and higher mature buck presence.

1444
01:15:32,520 --> 01:15:35,280
Speaker 2: So if you have a really good aide structure, rattling

1445
01:15:35,320 --> 01:15:37,599
Speaker 2: seems to work better if you're in a place where

1446
01:15:37,600 --> 01:15:40,879
Speaker 2: there's not many mature bucks and there's not that serious knockdown,

1447
01:15:40,960 --> 01:15:44,200
Speaker 2: drag out fight going on very often, and whenever there

1448
01:15:44,240 --> 01:15:48,280
Speaker 2: is rattling, it's usually other hunters those GISTs. Does not

1449
01:15:48,840 --> 01:15:50,759
Speaker 2: seem to be that effective, So keep that in mind.

1450
01:15:50,840 --> 01:15:54,000
Speaker 2: I'm pretty conservative with rattling in Michigan. I'm much more

1451
01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:57,880
Speaker 2: aggressive if I'm in Iowa or Ohio or something like that.

1452
01:15:58,880 --> 01:16:02,120
Speaker 2: So we've talked calling, We've talked about, you know, how

1453
01:16:02,160 --> 01:16:05,040
Speaker 2: our hunting setups are going to shift a little bit

1454
01:16:05,080 --> 01:16:07,519
Speaker 2: more towards ruddy stuff. But we're not yet hunting, you know,

1455
01:16:07,600 --> 01:16:12,200
Speaker 2: funnels and locations like that. What I will say, though,

1456
01:16:12,479 --> 01:16:14,800
Speaker 2: and what is a key difference from early October to

1457
01:16:14,920 --> 01:16:20,719
Speaker 2: late October, is the effectiveness of scrapes within your hunting repertoire. Now,

1458
01:16:21,560 --> 01:16:24,080
Speaker 2: this is something you can look at all year. Kind

1459
01:16:24,080 --> 01:16:26,360
Speaker 2: of going back, I mentioned John quite a few times.

1460
01:16:26,439 --> 01:16:29,160
Speaker 2: John has been very influential on myself and many others,

1461
01:16:29,160 --> 01:16:31,240
Speaker 2: and he's been a great guest on the podcast. He

1462
01:16:31,360 --> 01:16:33,800
Speaker 2: uses scrapes all throughout the month of October. He's looking

1463
01:16:33,800 --> 01:16:36,400
Speaker 2: for primary scrape areas, is what he calls him, where

1464
01:16:36,439 --> 01:16:39,280
Speaker 2: you're back in security cover and have a zone where

1465
01:16:39,320 --> 01:16:41,960
Speaker 2: there are multiple scrapes all kind of clustered in a

1466
01:16:41,960 --> 01:16:44,519
Speaker 2: small area. He likes to key in and on that

1467
01:16:44,600 --> 01:16:48,280
Speaker 2: all throughout the season. Many others prefer to not spend

1468
01:16:48,360 --> 01:16:51,440
Speaker 2: much time on scrapes until late October, but late October

1469
01:16:51,640 --> 01:16:57,400
Speaker 2: is the peak of scraping activity. Multiple studies have shown

1470
01:16:57,800 --> 01:17:00,360
Speaker 2: that you know, somewhere in that like October twenty third

1471
01:17:00,439 --> 01:17:02,639
Speaker 2: of the twenty seventh, give or take, in that window

1472
01:17:03,040 --> 01:17:06,400
Speaker 2: is when studies have shown the absolute peak of checking

1473
01:17:06,439 --> 01:17:09,000
Speaker 2: scrapes occurs. That's when you have the best chance of

1474
01:17:09,080 --> 01:17:13,160
Speaker 2: daylight activity on scrapes. These bucks are trying to collect

1475
01:17:13,520 --> 01:17:17,960
Speaker 2: important information because as we talked about the testostroones rising,

1476
01:17:18,400 --> 01:17:22,400
Speaker 2: the running excitement is rising to a near frenzy. So

1477
01:17:22,560 --> 01:17:25,479
Speaker 2: bucks are just constantly trying to figure out where are

1478
01:17:25,479 --> 01:17:27,519
Speaker 2: these doughs, when are they gonna be ready to breed?

1479
01:17:27,600 --> 01:17:31,000
Speaker 2: Who else is here, what's going on? It's like the

1480
01:17:31,120 --> 01:17:33,599
Speaker 2: tailgate before a football game or something. There's a lot

1481
01:17:33,600 --> 01:17:37,599
Speaker 2: of excitement, a lot of optimism and anxiety and all

1482
01:17:37,600 --> 01:17:39,800
Speaker 2: those things. They're continuing to go back to this hot

1483
01:17:39,800 --> 01:17:43,400
Speaker 2: spot checking, checking, smelling, smelling, sniffing, leaving their own sign

1484
01:17:43,439 --> 01:17:46,960
Speaker 2: as well. So scrapes. If you can be in cover

1485
01:17:47,479 --> 01:17:51,320
Speaker 2: near those scrapes, that's a great place to be. Obviously,

1486
01:17:51,360 --> 01:17:53,320
Speaker 2: a great place for cameras to get an idea of

1487
01:17:53,320 --> 01:17:55,600
Speaker 2: what deer are in your area at this time of

1488
01:17:55,640 --> 01:17:59,000
Speaker 2: the year. And of course, if you can have many

1489
01:17:59,040 --> 01:18:01,920
Speaker 2: of these different things coming together, it's your best case scenario.

1490
01:18:02,000 --> 01:18:04,759
Speaker 2: So if you can have like an active scrape right

1491
01:18:04,800 --> 01:18:07,400
Speaker 2: you know, on the way to a great late October

1492
01:18:07,439 --> 01:18:09,759
Speaker 2: food source where you know there's been a lot of doze,

1493
01:18:09,840 --> 01:18:12,639
Speaker 2: and you're right in between that great food source and

1494
01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:15,519
Speaker 2: a bedding area that you know has been frequented by

1495
01:18:15,560 --> 01:18:17,800
Speaker 2: a target buck. If you can line all that up,

1496
01:18:18,520 --> 01:18:22,400
Speaker 2: then you have a great setup. Combine that with what's

1497
01:18:22,439 --> 01:18:24,960
Speaker 2: hopefully a good conditioned day, maybe one of those cold

1498
01:18:24,960 --> 01:18:27,360
Speaker 2: fronts or Magic X day or whatever it is, then

1499
01:18:27,400 --> 01:18:30,720
Speaker 2: you have a really terrific hunting opportunity. Those are the

1500
01:18:30,760 --> 01:18:34,799
Speaker 2: kinds of days where magic happens. That's what we're dreaming

1501
01:18:34,840 --> 01:18:37,519
Speaker 2: of in the hunting season. When you can, you know,

1502
01:18:37,760 --> 01:18:41,160
Speaker 2: use your information, use your scouting intel, use your week's

1503
01:18:41,160 --> 01:18:44,720
Speaker 2: worth of learning to take advantage of something you know,

1504
01:18:45,120 --> 01:18:48,320
Speaker 2: making a predictable mistake that you predict put yourself in

1505
01:18:48,360 --> 01:18:51,800
Speaker 2: the right place on the right day, and voila, it

1506
01:18:51,880 --> 01:18:56,479
Speaker 2: finally comes together for you. So that is a high

1507
01:18:56,560 --> 01:19:01,519
Speaker 2: level review of October took you from the early October

1508
01:19:01,600 --> 01:19:05,040
Speaker 2: days to the late October days. I will tell you

1509
01:19:05,080 --> 01:19:07,080
Speaker 2: that I kind of look at it as a as

1510
01:19:07,120 --> 01:19:08,880
Speaker 2: a I guess I don't know how to describe it.

1511
01:19:08,880 --> 01:19:11,519
Speaker 2: If you imagine like a roller coaster October. First, I'm

1512
01:19:11,520 --> 01:19:14,960
Speaker 2: gonna start hiring that roller coaster with excitement and you know,

1513
01:19:15,160 --> 01:19:18,320
Speaker 2: taking some swings. I'm gonna drop down after that as

1514
01:19:18,400 --> 01:19:20,920
Speaker 2: hunting pressure impacts my property. And then it's a slow

1515
01:19:21,080 --> 01:19:22,840
Speaker 2: rise throughout the month for me at least and for

1516
01:19:22,920 --> 01:19:26,120
Speaker 2: many other hunters. As you're slowly getting more aggressive, bucks

1517
01:19:26,160 --> 01:19:29,799
Speaker 2: testosterone slowly rising, and then you're reaching that next peak

1518
01:19:30,040 --> 01:19:32,680
Speaker 2: as you get to late October. I spend a lot

1519
01:19:32,760 --> 01:19:35,240
Speaker 2: of time that lasts five to seven days of the

1520
01:19:35,240 --> 01:19:39,439
Speaker 2: month aggressively hunting near the core areas of bucks that

1521
01:19:39,479 --> 01:19:41,720
Speaker 2: I'm interested in putting a tag on. I put a

1522
01:19:41,720 --> 01:19:45,160
Speaker 2: lot of priority on those days. Adam Hayes, as we discussed,

1523
01:19:45,200 --> 01:19:48,479
Speaker 2: he does too. Almost everyone on the podcast we've talked

1524
01:19:48,479 --> 01:19:50,920
Speaker 2: to over the years, they are keying in on those

1525
01:19:51,000 --> 01:19:55,120
Speaker 2: days as being absolutely peak opportunity. So as you progress

1526
01:19:55,160 --> 01:19:58,599
Speaker 2: through the month of October, don't forget that the best

1527
01:19:58,680 --> 01:20:02,559
Speaker 2: is probably yet to come. So don't, you know, push

1528
01:20:02,560 --> 01:20:05,280
Speaker 2: all your chips into the pot unless you have things

1529
01:20:05,320 --> 01:20:07,760
Speaker 2: lining up just right throughout this entire month. I want

1530
01:20:07,760 --> 01:20:09,920
Speaker 2: to go back to this final thought to leave you

1531
01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:13,599
Speaker 2: with is that you're constantly like, imagine like an old

1532
01:20:13,760 --> 01:20:17,360
Speaker 2: school scale, right, There's like these two metal trays, and

1533
01:20:17,400 --> 01:20:20,440
Speaker 2: you put stuff on either side of the tray. One

1534
01:20:20,479 --> 01:20:23,240
Speaker 2: side is our risk, one side is our reward, And

1535
01:20:23,280 --> 01:20:25,439
Speaker 2: you're constantly thinking every day you're going to hunt, or

1536
01:20:25,479 --> 01:20:29,080
Speaker 2: when you're choosing a hunting location, you're constantly thinking, Okay,

1537
01:20:29,280 --> 01:20:32,439
Speaker 2: how are the scales going to going to move on

1538
01:20:32,520 --> 01:20:35,920
Speaker 2: this particular day, with this set of information, with this

1539
01:20:35,960 --> 01:20:39,160
Speaker 2: set of conditions, at this time of year, Knowing that

1540
01:20:39,200 --> 01:20:42,280
Speaker 2: deer behavior is changing through the month, Knowing that deer

1541
01:20:42,360 --> 01:20:45,479
Speaker 2: do seem to at least hunters. We surely have seen

1542
01:20:45,520 --> 01:20:49,840
Speaker 2: anecdotal evidence that certain conditions can change behavior a little bit.

1543
01:20:50,280 --> 01:20:53,800
Speaker 2: Knowing that hunter pressure does impact what these do deer

1544
01:20:53,880 --> 01:20:56,640
Speaker 2: do throughout the month, all of that is going to

1545
01:20:56,680 --> 01:20:59,400
Speaker 2: shift the scales and hopefully will be in your mind

1546
01:20:59,439 --> 01:21:02,519
Speaker 2: as you make your decisions every weekend or every night

1547
01:21:02,560 --> 01:21:05,519
Speaker 2: when you get out to hunt. Whatever it is speaking

1548
01:21:05,560 --> 01:21:08,400
Speaker 2: of this, something I did not mention, but something that

1549
01:21:08,520 --> 01:21:12,719
Speaker 2: is a major topic to consider in October is hunting

1550
01:21:12,880 --> 01:21:16,519
Speaker 2: mornings versus hunting evenings, and this is the exact same

1551
01:21:16,960 --> 01:21:20,120
Speaker 2: set of issues is relevant here. It's always the scale.

1552
01:21:21,120 --> 01:21:24,400
Speaker 2: There are some people like Don Higgins, who has advocated

1553
01:21:24,439 --> 01:21:27,719
Speaker 2: in the past to not hunt mornings too terribly often

1554
01:21:28,680 --> 01:21:32,360
Speaker 2: because they are harder, and John Eberhart said that in

1555
01:21:32,360 --> 01:21:34,640
Speaker 2: the ex the book I read earlier in this episode,

1556
01:21:34,920 --> 01:21:38,240
Speaker 2: talked about how many parts of October, especially early to

1557
01:21:38,280 --> 01:21:42,000
Speaker 2: mid October, many times mature bucks will be back in

1558
01:21:42,040 --> 01:21:45,000
Speaker 2: their bedding years quite early in the morning. So if

1559
01:21:45,040 --> 01:21:47,439
Speaker 2: you are trying to slip in to hunt at the

1560
01:21:47,479 --> 01:21:49,720
Speaker 2: same time that these bucks are either already in their

1561
01:21:49,720 --> 01:21:53,920
Speaker 2: beds or approaching their beds, there's a very high chance

1562
01:21:54,000 --> 01:21:57,320
Speaker 2: of you spooking that deer and educating him in the

1563
01:21:57,400 --> 01:22:00,479
Speaker 2: dark before we ever got to hunt him on the side.

1564
01:22:00,760 --> 01:22:03,760
Speaker 2: For an evening hunt, you can get in there while

1565
01:22:03,760 --> 01:22:06,040
Speaker 2: he's betted down, and you can slip up to whatever

1566
01:22:06,080 --> 01:22:09,200
Speaker 2: location you want to hunt while knowing he's bedded somewhere,

1567
01:22:09,240 --> 01:22:11,559
Speaker 2: and you can avoid you know, sending your wind there.

1568
01:22:11,600 --> 01:22:14,240
Speaker 2: You can avoid walking so close that'll hear or see you,

1569
01:22:14,479 --> 01:22:17,920
Speaker 2: and you can get an undetected So it's easier to

1570
01:22:17,960 --> 01:22:21,920
Speaker 2: have an undetected safe hunt in the evenings, easier sell

1571
01:22:22,080 --> 01:22:25,400
Speaker 2: than it would be for a morning hunt in most situations.

1572
01:22:25,920 --> 01:22:28,840
Speaker 2: So that's why I would say, on average, for most

1573
01:22:28,840 --> 01:22:31,679
Speaker 2: of October, evening hunts seem to be a safer bet,

1574
01:22:31,880 --> 01:22:34,639
Speaker 2: and many die hard deer hunters prefer to hunt evenings

1575
01:22:34,680 --> 01:22:38,800
Speaker 2: and do not hunt mornings as much. There are, of course, exceptions,

1576
01:22:39,600 --> 01:22:43,840
Speaker 2: if you're on a short trip, if you are hunting

1577
01:22:43,840 --> 01:22:47,240
Speaker 2: public land, if you are you know, trying to take

1578
01:22:47,240 --> 01:22:49,439
Speaker 2: advantage of a special set of conditions like a big

1579
01:22:49,439 --> 01:22:52,200
Speaker 2: cold front or something. Morning hunts. You know, A, if

1580
01:22:52,200 --> 01:22:54,040
Speaker 2: you're on a short trip, make the most of your time,

1581
01:22:54,080 --> 01:22:56,439
Speaker 2: get out there and hunt, give it a try. B.

1582
01:22:56,640 --> 01:22:58,840
Speaker 2: If you have that big cold front come through or

1583
01:22:58,880 --> 01:23:00,639
Speaker 2: if you believe in the moon and the moon phase

1584
01:23:00,720 --> 01:23:02,880
Speaker 2: is a little bit better on a certain morning, you

1585
01:23:03,080 --> 01:23:07,360
Speaker 2: give it a shot. The biggest thing here is just recognizing,

1586
01:23:07,360 --> 01:23:09,320
Speaker 2: like what's the high risk that we're looking at and

1587
01:23:09,360 --> 01:23:11,320
Speaker 2: how do you work around that. So if we're worried

1588
01:23:11,320 --> 01:23:14,040
Speaker 2: about spooking deer on the way to hunt in the morning,

1589
01:23:14,560 --> 01:23:16,679
Speaker 2: but you want to hunt the morning, you just really

1590
01:23:16,720 --> 01:23:18,960
Speaker 2: need to think about how do I get to a

1591
01:23:19,000 --> 01:23:21,680
Speaker 2: spot without educating deer. So you need to make sure

1592
01:23:21,720 --> 01:23:24,040
Speaker 2: that you're hunting a location that's not going to require

1593
01:23:24,080 --> 01:23:26,920
Speaker 2: you walk through a food source, or that's not going

1594
01:23:26,960 --> 01:23:29,599
Speaker 2: to require you blow out a bedding area when you leave,

1595
01:23:29,960 --> 01:23:32,600
Speaker 2: or whatever it might be. So access and entry is

1596
01:23:33,080 --> 01:23:36,759
Speaker 2: really really important anytime of year. It's really important morning

1597
01:23:36,840 --> 01:23:40,880
Speaker 2: or evening, but it's especially important or entry on morning

1598
01:23:41,000 --> 01:23:43,880
Speaker 2: hunts in early October when those bucks can be going

1599
01:23:43,920 --> 01:23:47,439
Speaker 2: back earlier in the day. That said, as you move

1600
01:23:47,479 --> 01:23:50,280
Speaker 2: through the month of October, I mean get into late October,

1601
01:23:50,920 --> 01:23:52,960
Speaker 2: you're going to find that bucks do stay on their

1602
01:23:52,960 --> 01:23:55,559
Speaker 2: feet later into the morning. And once you get to

1603
01:23:55,600 --> 01:23:57,880
Speaker 2: that last week or ten days of October, all of

1604
01:23:57,920 --> 01:24:01,280
Speaker 2: a sudden, mornings start getting better, better and better. Until

1605
01:24:01,280 --> 01:24:04,080
Speaker 2: they get like very good and might be the best

1606
01:24:04,200 --> 01:24:05,760
Speaker 2: once you get to that phase. And so at that

1607
01:24:05,800 --> 01:24:07,200
Speaker 2: point you want to shift and you want to make

1608
01:24:07,240 --> 01:24:11,320
Speaker 2: sure you're hunting those mornings in late October and definitely November.

1609
01:24:11,960 --> 01:24:14,320
Speaker 2: And and you know, some studies are starting to show

1610
01:24:14,320 --> 01:24:16,679
Speaker 2: that there might be a little bit more morning movement

1611
01:24:16,680 --> 01:24:19,800
Speaker 2: in October than we have given deer credit for. We

1612
01:24:19,960 --> 01:24:24,639
Speaker 2: just did a podcast with with a gentleman who's been

1613
01:24:24,680 --> 01:24:28,320
Speaker 2: doing with Derek Dixon, who's been doing drone research using

1614
01:24:28,360 --> 01:24:30,880
Speaker 2: a thermal drone. Hopefully you guys heard this episode, but

1615
01:24:31,000 --> 01:24:33,600
Speaker 2: he found when he was actually watching this deer with

1616
01:24:33,640 --> 01:24:36,360
Speaker 2: his drone, watching them all day every day, that they

1617
01:24:36,400 --> 01:24:38,800
Speaker 2: were moving a lot more in the mornings than we

1618
01:24:38,840 --> 01:24:41,479
Speaker 2: give them credit for. Now, it is back in security cover,

1619
01:24:41,840 --> 01:24:44,439
Speaker 2: it's in hard places to hunt. So can you hunt

1620
01:24:44,439 --> 01:24:47,080
Speaker 2: it without educating them and without spooking them that's still

1621
01:24:47,080 --> 01:24:50,360
Speaker 2: a question. But they are moving more in those morning hours.

1622
01:24:50,680 --> 01:24:53,519
Speaker 2: Maybe then we have sometimes given them credit for. So

1623
01:24:53,640 --> 01:24:57,000
Speaker 2: ken mornings work in October. Yes, but you need to

1624
01:24:57,040 --> 01:25:00,639
Speaker 2: be very aware of the challenges and have a plan

1625
01:25:00,800 --> 01:25:05,080
Speaker 2: for your entry and exit that accounts for that same

1626
01:25:05,120 --> 01:25:07,200
Speaker 2: thing goes for the whole season. You know, if you're

1627
01:25:07,200 --> 01:25:10,400
Speaker 2: gonna hunt evenings in October, that's great, and it's great

1628
01:25:10,400 --> 01:25:12,160
Speaker 2: getting in for those hunts, but you better have a

1629
01:25:12,200 --> 01:25:14,320
Speaker 2: good way to get out, because if you have to

1630
01:25:14,360 --> 01:25:15,960
Speaker 2: walk through the food plot, or if you have to

1631
01:25:16,000 --> 01:25:18,479
Speaker 2: walk through the cut cornfield, or if you have to walk,

1632
01:25:18,760 --> 01:25:21,559
Speaker 2: you know, past all the apple trees or something after dark,

1633
01:25:21,600 --> 01:25:23,439
Speaker 2: after the hunt, and that's where all the deer are

1634
01:25:23,520 --> 01:25:26,960
Speaker 2: right now, you are going to educate those deer and

1635
01:25:27,000 --> 01:25:30,080
Speaker 2: you are going to have worst hunts in the coming

1636
01:25:30,160 --> 01:25:34,120
Speaker 2: days because of it. So always thinking about that, always

1637
01:25:34,160 --> 01:25:37,320
Speaker 2: thinking about the scales risk and reward, Always thinking about

1638
01:25:37,320 --> 01:25:39,400
Speaker 2: how your hunts are going to educate deer in the future,

1639
01:25:39,840 --> 01:25:42,760
Speaker 2: and making sure you're making smart hunting decisions every day

1640
01:25:42,760 --> 01:25:44,880
Speaker 2: of October as the months go on, or as the

1641
01:25:44,960 --> 01:25:48,800
Speaker 2: days go on, because in October, these deer are still

1642
01:25:48,840 --> 01:25:51,679
Speaker 2: survivable machines. They have not quite gotten to the point

1643
01:25:51,680 --> 01:25:54,679
Speaker 2: where they throw caution to the wind and chase ladies

1644
01:25:55,080 --> 01:25:57,560
Speaker 2: without thinking that will happen for most of us, it

1645
01:25:57,600 --> 01:26:02,280
Speaker 2: happens in Novemberber. They still kind of had their head

1646
01:26:02,280 --> 01:26:05,400
Speaker 2: screwed on straight, So you too need to keep your

1647
01:26:05,439 --> 01:26:09,360
Speaker 2: head screwed on straight. Make good decisions. Work your way

1648
01:26:09,360 --> 01:26:13,000
Speaker 2: through the month, take those stabs when the timing is right,

1649
01:26:13,240 --> 01:26:15,800
Speaker 2: when your intel tells you what's right, when the conditions

1650
01:26:15,800 --> 01:26:19,160
Speaker 2: seem right, or when the time of yours right. At

1651
01:26:19,160 --> 01:26:24,320
Speaker 2: a high level, that is my meta analysis, my literature review,

1652
01:26:24,560 --> 01:26:29,720
Speaker 2: my comprehensive analysis of how to Hunt Mature Bucks in October,

1653
01:26:30,360 --> 01:26:33,599
Speaker 2: based on the perspectives that I have come to from

1654
01:26:34,479 --> 01:26:38,080
Speaker 2: so many, so many different podcasts, so many different conversations

1655
01:26:38,080 --> 01:26:40,639
Speaker 2: with these guys. You've heard me mentioned number of folks.

1656
01:26:40,640 --> 01:26:43,719
Speaker 2: I've mentioned Adam Hayes, I've mentioned Don Higgins, I've mentioned

1657
01:26:43,720 --> 01:26:47,599
Speaker 2: Ben Rising, I've mentioned Jeff Sturgist, John Eberhart, Mark Drury,

1658
01:26:47,680 --> 01:26:52,679
Speaker 2: Terry Jury, Bobby Kendall, Andre Toquisto, Dan Infalt, the guys

1659
01:26:52,720 --> 01:26:55,479
Speaker 2: from the hunting public. All of these folks we have

1660
01:26:55,560 --> 01:27:01,519
Speaker 2: had very deep, concerted, comprehensive conversation with on these topics,

1661
01:27:01,960 --> 01:27:04,880
Speaker 2: and would highly encourage you to go back search those

1662
01:27:05,000 --> 01:27:08,519
Speaker 2: names and Wired to Hunt find our episodes, listen to

1663
01:27:08,560 --> 01:27:11,720
Speaker 2: those full episodes for more. But I hope that with

1664
01:27:11,800 --> 01:27:14,840
Speaker 2: this kind of overview, giving you insights from a bunch

1665
01:27:14,880 --> 01:27:18,200
Speaker 2: of different people all about this one month, it will

1666
01:27:18,200 --> 01:27:19,880
Speaker 2: be helpful to kind of hear it all in one

1667
01:27:19,920 --> 01:27:22,240
Speaker 2: place and to give you a starting point as we

1668
01:27:22,360 --> 01:27:25,519
Speaker 2: kick off what is one of the very most exciting

1669
01:27:25,520 --> 01:27:28,559
Speaker 2: months of the entire year. So thanks for tuning in,

1670
01:27:28,600 --> 01:27:30,760
Speaker 2: Thanks for being with me for this one. Let me

1671
01:27:30,800 --> 01:27:32,640
Speaker 2: know in the comments. I would love to hear from you,

1672
01:27:32,680 --> 01:27:35,800
Speaker 2: whether it be on social media or YouTube or an

1673
01:27:35,800 --> 01:27:38,719
Speaker 2: email whatever. I'm curious what you think about this format show.

1674
01:27:38,760 --> 01:27:40,720
Speaker 2: Is this helpful? Is this something that I should do

1675
01:27:40,800 --> 01:27:45,000
Speaker 2: for November and December. I've considered doing this more topically too,

1676
01:27:45,160 --> 01:27:50,599
Speaker 2: so maybe doing like a comprehensive review about approaches to scrapes,

1677
01:27:50,800 --> 01:27:53,120
Speaker 2: or an episode like this all about trail cameras and

1678
01:27:53,160 --> 01:27:56,439
Speaker 2: getting all these different perspectives on cameras and stuff like that.

1679
01:27:57,280 --> 01:27:59,439
Speaker 2: Let me know if you think this is helpful or

1680
01:27:59,439 --> 01:28:01,559
Speaker 2: if you think this is junk, let me know that too.

1681
01:28:02,080 --> 01:28:05,040
Speaker 2: So thanks for listening, thanks for your feedback, thanks for

1682
01:28:05,080 --> 01:28:07,160
Speaker 2: being a part of this community. And if you are

1683
01:28:07,240 --> 01:28:10,160
Speaker 2: kicking off hunting season as i am, here best a lout,

1684
01:28:10,520 --> 01:28:13,559
Speaker 2: have fun out there. It's a beautiful time of year.

1685
01:28:13,600 --> 01:28:16,120
Speaker 2: It's a wonderful time of year. Make sure you are

1686
01:28:16,160 --> 01:28:20,800
Speaker 2: sharing it with your friends and family. Get some meat

1687
01:28:20,840 --> 01:28:24,360
Speaker 2: in the freezer, get some great memories, and be safe

1688
01:28:24,479 --> 01:28:27,599
Speaker 2: doing it. So until next time, thank you, and stay

1689
01:28:28,160 --> 01:28:29,400
Speaker 2: wired to hunt.