WEBVTT - #246 - Lamar Odom 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:03.240 Bootleg cap podcast. We got a legend in here, man, 0:00:04.400 --> 0:00:07.240 you are a legend. Well, look I grew up watching 0:00:07.280 --> 0:00:09.920 you play basketball at a very high level. I'm thirty five, 0:00:11.119 --> 0:00:13.080 so that was like my era. You know what I'm saying, 0:00:13.880 --> 0:00:18.320 lamar odom is here man? What's good? Bro? It's crazy? 0:00:18.360 --> 0:00:22.239 I just uh, just so randomly, Like last week, I 0:00:22.280 --> 0:00:25.920 was in Phoenix at my parents' house and I I 0:00:25.960 --> 0:00:28.160 pulled a lot of my old ship out of storage 0:00:28.200 --> 0:00:31.240 and I found the Slam magazine cover with you and 0:00:31.320 --> 0:00:34.120 a Darius Miles and was a cute rich on it 0:00:35.040 --> 0:00:39.639 that one brand, that's right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, a legendary cover. Yeah. 0:00:39.920 --> 0:00:43.040 That was my idea too, for us to way each 0:00:43.080 --> 0:00:48.559 other's jerseys and put them on backwards. Yeah, yeah, that 0:00:48.640 --> 0:00:50.599 was a It's crazy because like when you go back 0:00:50.600 --> 0:00:52.199 and look at the roster of like those some of 0:00:52.240 --> 0:00:56.160 those Clippers teams you were on, just so talented. Man, 0:00:56.480 --> 0:00:58.120 just like it just didn't I guess it didn't work out, 0:00:58.160 --> 0:01:01.240 but fuck you guys. Had you guys were deep. If 0:01:01.240 --> 0:01:04.320 we had, if that team would have had like one 0:01:04.840 --> 0:01:07.480 we the mic in front of you, Yeah, if that 0:01:07.520 --> 0:01:11.360 team would have had like like one veteran Yeah, that 0:01:11.520 --> 0:01:13.600 was like respecting the league that we could have learned 0:01:13.600 --> 0:01:17.120 from because everybody was young, good habits. Yeah, we was 0:01:17.200 --> 0:01:20.560 just out there with hooping. Yeah, it's crazy. I was like, 0:01:21.600 --> 0:01:23.400 how crazy was it back? Did you guys, like when 0:01:23.440 --> 0:01:26.039 you were playing for the Clippers, did you like know 0:01:27.240 --> 0:01:30.440 much about Donald Sterling being like a shithead or was 0:01:30.520 --> 0:01:32.640 it like you know, I mean, I knew that he 0:01:32.680 --> 0:01:38.080 had the reputation that he wasn't going to pay anybody cheap. Yeah, 0:01:38.319 --> 0:01:44.679 so you know, even though you're young and you understand 0:01:44.680 --> 0:01:46.720 the business a little bit, at that point in time 0:01:46.920 --> 0:01:49.840 your career, I kind of knew that I was probably 0:01:49.880 --> 0:01:51.600 gonna be there long because I knew that I was, 0:01:51.840 --> 0:01:55.440 you know, good enough to be a max paid player 0:01:55.960 --> 0:01:58.880 and he wasn't going he was a cheap owner. Yeah. Yeah. 0:01:59.000 --> 0:02:03.960 He knew the system on out of you know, not 0:02:06.480 --> 0:02:09.800 win games and still come up on a plus side 0:02:09.800 --> 0:02:11.760 as far as making money, because that's it was like 0:02:11.800 --> 0:02:14.519 all about the bottom line. Man. It's like, why would 0:02:14.560 --> 0:02:17.079 we spend money to win a championship? I'm making money 0:02:17.080 --> 0:02:19.799 at then every year, stay shitty and draft players. He 0:02:19.960 --> 0:02:21.760 had no love for the game or for the brothers. 0:02:22.120 --> 0:02:25.720 Obviously obviously yeah. I mean, I'm a Son's fan and 0:02:25.760 --> 0:02:28.480 we've been dealing with it. Oh, the cheapest owner in 0:02:28.520 --> 0:02:30.480 basketball for the last Well, I feel bad for the 0:02:30.520 --> 0:02:32.919 Suns fans because they ain't gonna never get with probably 0:02:32.960 --> 0:02:36.680 which I probably deserve, probably to change the mascot. What 0:02:36.720 --> 0:02:44.480 does that mean? You don't like the gorilla? Nah? Do 0:02:44.520 --> 0:02:47.200 you think there's like some racial connotations with the Sons gorilla? 0:02:47.320 --> 0:02:50.480 Come on, bro? And then the thing that's funny is 0:02:50.480 --> 0:02:52.560 like they kind of like slicked slid that one by 0:02:53.639 --> 0:02:58.040 for all these years, nobody like says anything about that. Okay, 0:02:59.639 --> 0:03:04.040 it is random gorillas in the desert. You can't find 0:03:04.080 --> 0:03:05.240 any well, that's what I was gonna say. You can 0:03:05.280 --> 0:03:09.320 probably find a cactus or in terms of like the 0:03:09.400 --> 0:03:13.760 animal chosen were in Phoenix, it's the Suns. I don't 0:03:13.800 --> 0:03:15.880 know what they say in basketball, bro, It's just like, 0:03:15.919 --> 0:03:19.400 come on, you think it's on purpose. But you know 0:03:19.440 --> 0:03:24.880 what's so really crazy about it is that it was 0:03:24.880 --> 0:03:34.280 a They just tried it because they wanted to get 0:03:34.280 --> 0:03:39.400 some They want to get the fans involved, right, and 0:03:41.920 --> 0:03:43.720 that's the reason why they kept it, because the fans 0:03:43.720 --> 0:03:47.240 loved it. But you don't think it was like Jerry Calandros, 0:03:47.240 --> 0:03:49.600 like not purposely trying to, I'm just saying though, Yeah, 0:03:49.680 --> 0:03:52.480 it's not good representation because Phoenix is like the last 0:03:53.560 --> 0:03:56.920 city to recognize doctor King as a as all them 0:03:57.440 --> 0:04:01.400 already know. No, Phoenix has a gorilla. Okay, we do 0:04:01.440 --> 0:04:03.360 have some terrible histories, and it's just like how they 0:04:03.440 --> 0:04:06.920 change what they changed the Redskins and the Indian to 0:04:07.000 --> 0:04:09.520 the Commanders. Yeah, I think it's probably probably about that 0:04:09.560 --> 0:04:13.280 time as a woke young black man in America right now, 0:04:13.960 --> 0:04:17.320 and it's climate. I'm surprised Chris Paul hasn't said anything 0:04:17.320 --> 0:04:20.599 about it. You know what it is, man, The Son's 0:04:20.600 --> 0:04:23.560 gorilla is so popular in Phoenix. Yeah, I bet it is. 0:04:25.040 --> 0:04:27.280 I bet it is. It's like and that guy and 0:04:27.680 --> 0:04:31.040 the mascot is one like mascot of the year so much. Yeah, 0:04:31.120 --> 0:04:33.680 and then there's a wild crazy gorilla. He ain't like 0:04:33.760 --> 0:04:37.600 tanged or nothing like that. No, he's a pretty chill gorilla. Nah, 0:04:38.160 --> 0:04:40.880 were jumping up off the roof and all that. I mean, 0:04:40.880 --> 0:04:42.919 he's a mascot. I've been I've not I've been watching 0:04:42.960 --> 0:04:44.920 it though I'm hip to it. Yeah, you know what 0:04:45.000 --> 0:04:52.520 I mean. And you don't have forty two. I'm just 0:04:52.560 --> 0:04:55.400 I'm just looking at todes. That thing's totally different. I'm 0:04:55.440 --> 0:04:57.640 forty three. I respect it, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, 0:04:58.200 --> 0:05:02.080 And I'm just saying, like any chance you was there 0:05:02.080 --> 0:05:04.360 any any discussions where every thought you might end up 0:05:04.360 --> 0:05:10.320 on the Suns? No? No, And it was crazy because 0:05:10.320 --> 0:05:12.240 when I was playing, that's something that just just went 0:05:12.279 --> 0:05:15.599 over my head. The Gorilla. Yeah, I think I probably 0:05:15.640 --> 0:05:17.720 started paying attention to it a little bit more when 0:05:17.720 --> 0:05:24.000 I've seen Seas doing MC yeah said he was, He's 0:05:24.120 --> 0:05:27.920 he's he said, is a great DJ too. He's Yeah, 0:05:28.120 --> 0:05:30.440 does radio and ship. He's a legend and AZ for sure, 0:05:30.480 --> 0:05:35.080 shout out to said, and a Lakers legend. He made Yeah, 0:05:35.200 --> 0:05:36.800 did make the list? Did he make the list of 0:05:37.240 --> 0:05:41.120 top seventy five lists? I'm not sure he's on that. 0:05:41.320 --> 0:05:44.680 You you were on that right? Yeah? Well, first of all, congratulations, 0:05:45.160 --> 0:05:49.000 because that's a big honor to be, I mean, the 0:05:49.080 --> 0:05:53.919 most storied franchised. I'd rather have my number retired. You 0:05:53.920 --> 0:05:58.800 think that's coming. I don't know, Ship, I mean, I 0:05:58.839 --> 0:06:01.160 don't know. I'm I mean, I feel like I but 0:06:01.279 --> 0:06:04.159 you one thing at home, motherfucker. Get an individual Award 0:06:04.680 --> 0:06:08.720 and shoot, the reality showed the same season. You know 0:06:08.760 --> 0:06:12.360 what I'm saying, because you patted myself on the back, 0:06:12.400 --> 0:06:14.560 but you got six Man of the Year the year. Yeah, 0:06:14.680 --> 0:06:16.600 I shot, I was shooting Chloe in Themore that year. 0:06:17.279 --> 0:06:19.039 D I forgot you guys had Chloe in the More. 0:06:20.200 --> 0:06:24.640 I definitely watched that, damn Yo. Just that whole like 0:06:26.040 --> 0:06:28.560 era of the Lakers was so wild to me because 0:06:28.600 --> 0:06:32.440 like I think, like you got traded for Miami, there 0:06:32.480 --> 0:06:34.680 was like a point in time where like Kobe was 0:06:34.680 --> 0:06:37.839 a little unhappy. I forget it was. I think it 0:06:37.839 --> 0:06:40.640 was the year before you guys got Palgasol, Right, Yeah, 0:06:41.520 --> 0:06:44.080 I remember, like Phoenix Talk radio, everybody was like, yo, 0:06:44.160 --> 0:06:45.919 the Sons might try to trade for Kobe, and then 0:06:46.000 --> 0:06:50.920 it obviously didn't happen. But he probably was bluffing just 0:06:50.920 --> 0:06:54.919 to make things happen overnight because that Chris Paul trade, 0:06:55.000 --> 0:06:57.520 Like he wasn't going to Kobe would have never left LA. 0:06:58.040 --> 0:07:01.719 He wasn't right crazy. What was it like being on 0:07:01.760 --> 0:07:05.680 the team when the league shuts down the Chris Paul trade. Well, 0:07:05.720 --> 0:07:08.080 for me, I was happy because I was in the trade. 0:07:08.640 --> 0:07:11.800 You were supposed to get sent to New Orleans. Yeah, yeah, 0:07:11.840 --> 0:07:14.240 well year, what was that like, oh, seven oh eight, 0:07:14.400 --> 0:07:18.680 I was eleven. I think pal Gasol was in the trade. 0:07:19.760 --> 0:07:22.080 Ten or eleven. You were in the trade, powers in 0:07:22.120 --> 0:07:26.640 the trade. It doesn't happen. David Stern shuts it down. 0:07:26.680 --> 0:07:30.560 You're happy, though, because you want to stay in LA. Yeah. 0:07:31.520 --> 0:07:33.520 Was that weird coming back to the team after like 0:07:33.560 --> 0:07:35.040 they just tried a trade or did you just kind 0:07:35.040 --> 0:07:40.600 of understand it was business? Nah? Shit, I ain't never 0:07:40.600 --> 0:07:43.119 going to I've been in LA since I was nineteen 0:07:43.160 --> 0:07:45.880 years old. But I just mean in terms of like 0:07:45.960 --> 0:07:48.320 that Chris Paul trade not happening. But you foind you 0:07:48.360 --> 0:07:51.320 obviously saying but you find out you're a part of 0:07:51.320 --> 0:07:53.320 the trade, it gets canceled. When you come back to 0:07:53.360 --> 0:07:58.000 the team, it's over with. There's underneath the bridge, knows 0:07:58.160 --> 0:08:00.600 under the water now. Yeah, I'm just happy to be 0:08:00.640 --> 0:08:03.200 back at that point in time. Yeah, would you? I mean, 0:08:03.240 --> 0:08:07.560 obviously you saw kind of like both extremes of playing 0:08:07.560 --> 0:08:11.760 in l A from the Clippers to the Lakers, how 0:08:11.840 --> 0:08:15.280 it was even though you guys were in the same building. 0:08:15.440 --> 0:08:19.960 Did you feel that like just the different like organizationally, 0:08:20.120 --> 0:08:23.440 did you feel the difference in terms of like management, culture, 0:08:23.520 --> 0:08:25.840 all that ship. Well, everything is different. Yeah, you know 0:08:25.880 --> 0:08:30.320 what I mean. Expectancy, The expectations are crazy like the 0:08:30.320 --> 0:08:38.880 Clippers to this day. You know, if they had a 0:08:38.920 --> 0:08:42.240 better season in Lakers knowing then they had a great season. Yeah. 0:08:42.280 --> 0:08:44.800 And also no one gives the Lakers trying to be 0:08:44.840 --> 0:08:47.400 the best team in the NBA. Yeah. So I think 0:08:47.480 --> 0:08:55.560 that's the difference in the town too. Yeah, La, it 0:08:55.600 --> 0:08:58.080 ain't no difference than Oh no, no no, if you live here, 0:08:58.120 --> 0:09:00.840 you know, nobody fucks with the clip. No they do, 0:09:01.240 --> 0:09:03.960 but not many people they do. Yeah, there's a there's 0:09:04.000 --> 0:09:06.880 a few Clipper shout that my man Clipper Daryl, Clipper, 0:09:06.960 --> 0:09:09.240 Darryl has something. I mean, I'm gonna be I'm gonna 0:09:09.280 --> 0:09:10.640 keep it real with you. He's lost bets to me. 0:09:10.720 --> 0:09:13.560 I'm gonna keep you know, shout out to my man 0:09:13.600 --> 0:09:17.720 Kadem Hardiston, Malcolm in the middle, like they were there 0:09:17.800 --> 0:09:21.800 when we was expected to lose. Uh. What's the old 0:09:21.880 --> 0:09:26.400 old comedian dude's name. Uh, that's always at the Clipper games, 0:09:26.520 --> 0:09:31.200 the old white dude. He had a sitcom. Fuck you 0:09:31.240 --> 0:09:33.640 know who I'm talking about, Bro, I don't know my 0:09:33.840 --> 0:09:36.400 rookie year, Bro, We lost twenty games in a row 0:09:36.440 --> 0:09:39.840 by twenty, So I mean it was average getting blown out. 0:09:40.640 --> 0:09:43.680 You lost twenty in a row by twenty. That's a 0:09:43.720 --> 0:09:46.840 total fat? Is that a fat? Is that like a record? 0:09:47.000 --> 0:09:48.640 I don't know, Probably gott to be close to it. 0:09:48.720 --> 0:09:51.840 Oh my god? Now was that the year before? Was 0:09:51.840 --> 0:09:55.679 Michael allow conde arty with y'all? Yeah? Wow, that was 0:09:55.800 --> 0:09:59.600 his second year? Yeah, my rookie year was his second year. Damn, 0:10:00.800 --> 0:10:05.360 that's great. That's terrible. Was Alvin Gentry the coach one 0:10:05.400 --> 0:10:10.880 of our coaches? Oh man, that's that's that's like some 0:10:11.040 --> 0:10:13.280 Detroit Lions. Shit. I mean the Clippers low k here, 0:10:13.360 --> 0:10:17.920 Like I feel like before Chris Paul went to the Clippers, 0:10:18.800 --> 0:10:20.840 I looked at the Clippers as like the worst organization 0:10:20.960 --> 0:10:25.280 in all sports until they got Obama, right, because the 0:10:25.360 --> 0:10:27.520 owner a team is going to be a reflection of 0:10:27.600 --> 0:10:30.400 the owner. I mean even before he sold. I mean 0:10:30.520 --> 0:10:33.240 when there was Blake Griffin and CP it was like, okay, cool, 0:10:33.240 --> 0:10:35.439 they at least they're they're good. No yah, they were 0:10:35.440 --> 0:10:39.160 turning around because the product they had talent, Yeah, you 0:10:39.200 --> 0:10:43.040 know what, some energy and Chris Paul was a veteran. Yeah, 0:10:43.160 --> 0:10:45.360 even though he had, you know, young Blake Griffin. That's 0:10:45.400 --> 0:10:48.280 what I'm saying. If if my team just had like 0:10:48.640 --> 0:10:51.680 a veteran presence, just the presence, not even the output 0:10:51.760 --> 0:10:53.640 on the court, right, I feel what I'm saying, just 0:10:53.640 --> 0:10:56.800 to tame us off the court, help us without practice 0:10:56.800 --> 0:10:58.680 happiting shit like that, that team would have been made 0:10:58.760 --> 0:11:04.120 noise in the playoffs. How crazy was off the court? 0:11:04.480 --> 0:11:07.640 Two thousand Clippers two thousand and one Clippers were y'all 0:11:07.760 --> 0:11:10.160 hitting the club all the time, all the time. I 0:11:10.200 --> 0:11:11.480 was like the kind of the leader. We used to 0:11:11.520 --> 0:11:13.000 go to the hotel. We used to get to the hotel, 0:11:13.920 --> 0:11:16.920 Me me downstairs. We would just be city. Y'all were 0:11:16.920 --> 0:11:19.920 in you guys just turn it out wow to the club. 0:11:20.880 --> 0:11:24.480 Average city. Who was like your number one, like a 0:11:24.520 --> 0:11:30.240 partner in crime, be me, Jeff mcguinnis demus Q. We was. 0:11:30.280 --> 0:11:32.800 We used to always hang tight off the court, even 0:11:32.840 --> 0:11:34.720 the dudes that didn't we really even like each other. 0:11:35.240 --> 0:11:37.040 I think I was kind of like the bridge, you 0:11:37.200 --> 0:11:41.160 kind of like bridged everybody that kind of blew damn. 0:11:42.000 --> 0:11:45.000 I can imagine Darius Miles, Tom I mean, were all 0:11:45.040 --> 0:11:48.200 in La now. Everybody got it like a little men 0:11:48.320 --> 0:11:52.559 I was in the pocket, all into the same shit 0:11:52.600 --> 0:11:55.320 everybody's been to, the sneakers and girls, same ship that 0:11:55.320 --> 0:11:58.360 we went too. Now, Yeah, but it was new. It 0:11:58.360 --> 0:12:01.960 was new to you back then. Yeah yeah, out straight 0:12:02.000 --> 0:12:03.800 out of high school or college wherever he was at 0:12:04.960 --> 0:12:07.400 a little Darius Miles got drafted out of high school. 0:12:07.520 --> 0:12:11.400 High school? Damn? So was he even eighteen or was 0:12:11.440 --> 0:12:14.760 he like he was a right, So you're just and 0:12:14.840 --> 0:12:17.000 I was nineteen twenty. I was twenty one. You guys 0:12:17.040 --> 0:12:20.560 weren't even old enough to drink. We was everywhere in 0:12:20.600 --> 0:12:24.200 the clubs. Are just doing hotel parties. Hotel parties? Yeah, 0:12:24.640 --> 0:12:27.160 I don't know, so in the club in the club, man, 0:12:27.240 --> 0:12:29.200 I ain't the NBA experience to party in your hotel. 0:12:30.400 --> 0:12:35.000 We was out. I can only imagine that era had 0:12:35.000 --> 0:12:36.920 to be so much more fun because you have so 0:12:37.000 --> 0:12:39.439 much less shit to worry about. The social media on 0:12:39.520 --> 0:12:41.920 that shit wasn't now, so you could you could fuck 0:12:42.000 --> 0:12:45.199 off and like truly fuck off and not worry about 0:12:45.240 --> 0:12:47.600 being on TMZ the next day or Twitter or whatever 0:12:47.600 --> 0:12:50.120 the fuck is. You can have fun. You can have 0:12:50.240 --> 0:12:53.400 innocent fun and not have to worry about being on 0:12:53.800 --> 0:12:56.600 because you can like not do anything. You could just 0:12:56.600 --> 0:12:59.520 be out at a club and like, I just saw you. 0:12:59.679 --> 0:13:02.840 I'm sure you saw. They posted a video of Lebron 0:13:02.920 --> 0:13:04.360 gambling and they're trying to make it like a bad 0:13:04.360 --> 0:13:06.120 thing because he was playing blackjack. I'm like, who gives 0:13:06.120 --> 0:13:09.520 a fuck exactly, He's just you know what I'm saying. Yeah, well, 0:13:09.559 --> 0:13:13.040 you gotta watch it back over everything. Now, do you 0:13:13.080 --> 0:13:15.120 find because you've been through so much, man, do you 0:13:15.160 --> 0:13:20.559 find yourself more calculated now? In terms of just like 0:13:20.920 --> 0:13:23.840 you got I'm older, I learned, you know what I mean, 0:13:24.040 --> 0:13:26.600 you've been through. I'm gonna make the same mistakes. Of course, 0:13:26.800 --> 0:13:32.360 you feel me that I made when I was nineteen, 0:13:32.920 --> 0:13:36.440 that i'd be insane. Yeah, I feel I try to, 0:13:36.720 --> 0:13:39.000 you know, at least get better every day. You have to, man, 0:13:39.040 --> 0:13:43.200 I feel me, like, look, just think about it. I 0:13:43.200 --> 0:13:48.240 got suspended twice for smoking wheed, so it's crazy. Probably 0:13:48.280 --> 0:13:50.200 cost me like thirty million dollars if I think about 0:13:50.200 --> 0:13:54.040 it because of the Did it affected your next deals? 0:13:54.120 --> 0:13:56.040 Because I was a free agent, you had a stigma. 0:13:56.520 --> 0:13:58.880 Oh this guy smokes weed, he's he's a troublemaker. But which, 0:13:58.920 --> 0:14:01.360 by the way, now we know it doesn't fucking matter. 0:14:01.400 --> 0:14:04.280 They don't even test for we in the NBA. It's crazy. 0:14:04.360 --> 0:14:07.160 So yeah, you feel me. Yeah, now I'm about to 0:14:07.200 --> 0:14:10.400 get paid for selling, for selling dope, they call it dope. 0:14:10.440 --> 0:14:12.520 I hate that word. It's amazing. You got your own 0:14:12.559 --> 0:14:14.880 weed coming out, you feel me? What's the we called? 0:14:15.800 --> 0:14:19.800 It's Odham cannabis is with flight path and on the 0:14:19.840 --> 0:14:23.200 first two strings it's gonna be cereal milk and nice. 0:14:23.400 --> 0:14:26.600 Got some dope package. How would you guys hide weed 0:14:26.720 --> 0:14:29.600 back in the day when you're playing, Like, would you 0:14:29.640 --> 0:14:31.520 know if you were going to get pissed tested or 0:14:31.560 --> 0:14:33.800 was it random? Yeah, that's what I'm saying about the 0:14:33.800 --> 0:14:38.720 youth ship right right. I know that I'm getting tested 0:14:39.160 --> 0:14:44.360 mm hmm. So and you're still doing it, but you knew, Yeah, 0:14:45.080 --> 0:14:48.800 you were just kind of hoping that. You know what, roulette, 0:14:48.800 --> 0:14:52.960 what's your career? Yeah, like, I know, but you know, 0:14:53.040 --> 0:14:54.520 I'm young. I don't give a fuck it, Just like 0:14:54.560 --> 0:14:56.720 it was the time where I, like, you know, I 0:14:56.800 --> 0:15:02.360 like to sniff coke while playing No, no summertime, feel me. 0:15:02.480 --> 0:15:04.440 So let me get this straight. So during but during 0:15:04.840 --> 0:15:09.240 during your basketball years, so during the summer off season, 0:15:09.480 --> 0:15:12.320 you would play with the coke facts. Yeah, no, I 0:15:12.360 --> 0:15:19.080 mean at forty three, like, I don't even really I 0:15:19.080 --> 0:15:21.560 don't even really fuck with no hard drugs. Now you 0:15:21.600 --> 0:15:26.640 feel what I'm saying. But wow, I'm forty three. Yeah, 0:15:26.640 --> 0:15:28.040 you got so much shit out there. You got just 0:15:28.120 --> 0:15:30.880 fat and a ship like that high. So after fifteen 0:15:30.960 --> 0:15:33.240 minutes a high, is it worth Well? That's the thing 0:15:33.320 --> 0:15:36.680 about my liking is like, you got to keep doing it. Yeah. 0:15:36.960 --> 0:15:38.920 It's like if you you don't have to, but you're 0:15:38.920 --> 0:15:41.360 gonna want to. No, right, because like you said, it 0:15:41.400 --> 0:15:43.960 doesn't last long. So if you do it and you're out, 0:15:44.320 --> 0:15:46.520 and you're out, you're having a night, You're gonna keep 0:15:46.560 --> 0:15:50.280 doing it. Facts. If it's around what year, how far 0:15:50.320 --> 0:15:55.600 into your career did you start fucking with coke? My 0:15:55.680 --> 0:15:59.560 son passed away in two thousand and six, so when 0:15:59.600 --> 0:16:02.680 you're in the Lakers. Yeah, do you think that that 0:16:02.800 --> 0:16:05.320 was a direct result of you dealing with the pain 0:16:05.400 --> 0:16:10.400 from losing your I don't know. I could have been. 0:16:10.400 --> 0:16:13.200 It just probably was. I just chose that time to party, 0:16:14.200 --> 0:16:16.280 you know what I mean, made the wrong decision. That 0:16:16.280 --> 0:16:19.840 shit opened up a demon. Yeah, but I mean, you know, 0:16:21.280 --> 0:16:24.120 I regret having to learn about myself in that way. 0:16:24.760 --> 0:16:26.640 I regret that I you know, that I had that 0:16:26.760 --> 0:16:34.640 strong urge of addiction that way you feel me. I'm 0:16:34.680 --> 0:16:36.880 such a hard I mean, that's something that you never 0:16:36.920 --> 0:16:39.760 get over either. Man losing a kid. Yeah, no, that's 0:16:39.760 --> 0:16:42.720 the opposite of our life cycle, right. We don't think 0:16:42.720 --> 0:16:45.480 that we're supposed to bury our children. Our children supposed 0:16:45.480 --> 0:16:49.840 to bury us exactly. Man's that's tough. That's definitely tough. Man. 0:16:52.080 --> 0:16:54.600 Have you ever because you know, obviously you've dealt with addiction. 0:16:56.000 --> 0:16:59.400 I know people who have done like ayahuasca retreats to 0:16:59.520 --> 0:17:02.000 try to like breakthrough. So I did. I did something 0:17:02.000 --> 0:17:05.760 that's something similar to that I did iber game. What's 0:17:05.800 --> 0:17:10.159 that It's a plant Medicine's supposed to be like the 0:17:10.240 --> 0:17:15.679 strongest psychedelic Yeah, psychedelic medicine. And I'm sorry. I did 0:17:15.720 --> 0:17:18.520 a lot of drugs in my life. And that ship 0:17:18.720 --> 0:17:24.840 was that shit was so strong. I was I was. 0:17:24.880 --> 0:17:26.359 I was sitting there like and it was hitting me. 0:17:26.400 --> 0:17:29.720 I was like, God, please have this ship stop? Was 0:17:29.760 --> 0:17:34.399 everything visual? Yeah, I got to So, you know, plant 0:17:34.440 --> 0:17:38.480 medicine is really spiritual of course. Yeah. I know people 0:17:38.560 --> 0:17:40.879 who say that they're atheists and then they did d 0:17:41.000 --> 0:17:43.200 M T or they did ayahuasca, and now I believe 0:17:43.200 --> 0:17:44.840 in God because they're like so they say that the 0:17:44.880 --> 0:17:46.560 first vision that you're gonna see is probably like the 0:17:46.680 --> 0:17:51.679 closest person in your family. So over my eyes and 0:17:51.680 --> 0:17:54.280 I see my cousin Sierra, who I kind of like 0:17:54.400 --> 0:18:01.639 raised her. And I kept hearing my mother voice, my 0:18:01.720 --> 0:18:06.000 grandmother's voice, the women in my family, like my cousin. 0:18:06.520 --> 0:18:09.400 I kept hearing they voice and shit like that, and 0:18:09.440 --> 0:18:11.760 I got to see my son again. 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I mean 0:20:29.480 --> 0:20:32.200 you just gotta I love candy at shout out to 0:20:32.240 --> 0:20:36.040 the nerds. Yeah, no, you should fuck with some. I 0:20:36.040 --> 0:20:38.639 feel like psychedelics like low key for people who deal 0:20:38.680 --> 0:20:41.679 with addiction or just have like you know, shit, they 0:20:41.720 --> 0:20:43.679 need to work out. I feel like psychedelics is like 0:20:43.720 --> 0:20:47.280 the way to go man, and it's not addictive. It's 0:20:47.320 --> 0:20:50.119 a drug, but like, what is a drug. It's a 0:20:50.200 --> 0:20:53.560 drug according to the government. Yeah, whatever the fuck that means. 0:20:53.600 --> 0:20:55.440 Like you just said you used to get fined for 0:20:55.520 --> 0:20:58.440 smoking weed as it cost you thirty million fucking dollars. 0:20:58.480 --> 0:21:04.600 You know, nowadays everyone's smoking everybody. It's like the thing 0:21:04.640 --> 0:21:07.119 to do one hundred and even Like it's crazy too 0:21:07.160 --> 0:21:10.960 because now you have active players doing the weed. Ship 0:21:11.040 --> 0:21:13.880 Like how you have your strain? How is this it? Man? 0:21:13.880 --> 0:21:18.199 That's the packaging for it. Oh, that's fire, the gelato, 0:21:19.359 --> 0:21:24.520 the die cut bag, the cereal milk. Yo, but this 0:21:24.600 --> 0:21:29.720 will pop dude in l a too. Yep. See the 0:21:29.760 --> 0:21:32.879 bag is important, that dye cut will stand out. Yeah, 0:21:34.000 --> 0:21:37.080 that's super fire. Yeah, good ship. And then you obviously 0:21:37.119 --> 0:21:42.520 you got a quality test the weed. Right. First, we've 0:21:42.520 --> 0:21:46.760 seen the American gangster, right, of course I stand by it. 0:21:48.760 --> 0:21:53.600 I stamp it my product. Like pepsi you know what 0:21:53.640 --> 0:21:59.280 the name is? Hell, Yeah, and you have a pepsi here, 0:21:59.600 --> 0:22:04.159 not a guy. Very few people in this world are 0:22:04.200 --> 0:22:08.240 pepsi over coke. My dad's a pepsi guy. PEPs is 0:22:08.240 --> 0:22:11.800 like a coke following. Yes, it's like a fucking underground rapper. 0:22:14.320 --> 0:22:17.040 It's like, man, I was listening to Griselda before everybody 0:22:17.880 --> 0:22:20.960 ship shot to Benny the Butcher. Shout to Benny Man, 0:22:22.080 --> 0:22:26.240 Yeah what what are you listening to these days? Bennie Butcher? 0:22:27.000 --> 0:22:30.719 Love you some, Benny, I know all the ship let 0:22:30.720 --> 0:22:34.000 me shout out shouts to the Griselda boys, Man Conway, 0:22:34.040 --> 0:22:43.280 Benny Locks. Of course. King's Disease three Fire, super Fire, amazing. 0:22:43.400 --> 0:22:48.480 It's actually probably the best NAS album since I don't know, dude, 0:22:49.240 --> 0:22:52.520 it's it's it's the best King's Disease. I mean, if 0:22:52.600 --> 0:22:54.600 him and hip Boy have put four albums on two years, 0:22:54.640 --> 0:22:57.080 it's the best one. I had an ill moment. What 0:22:57.160 --> 0:22:59.399 was from Quings? Well, I know you're from Queens, You're 0:22:59.400 --> 0:23:03.680 from Jamaica, right, yeah? Making sure? I don't know where 0:23:03.800 --> 0:23:14.800