1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:12,239 Speaker 1: M from grandmothers who whispered in their baby girl in 2 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:16,880 Speaker 1: two fathers on dimly lit street corners, instructing young soldiers 3 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:20,959 Speaker 1: to always keep their eyes open. You be queen, you 4 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:24,279 Speaker 1: were fired. You will pass through centuries on the hands 5 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 1: of your daughters. They called you wisdom. Proverbs on the 6 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 1: backs of diamond eyed school children who growing into hymnals 7 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:37,200 Speaker 1: recited by amethyst holding urban philosophers who recited neighborhood commandments 8 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 1: out of the windows of restored alchimedo cheriots to keep 9 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 1: the warmth of their blood, be wise, be smart, being black, 10 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 1: Opal Brown courts bloodstone and prayer, be every form of 11 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 1: Jim se King told, scribe, scribe, told son, son, told wife, 12 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 1: wife told her daughter, and daughter told the as this is. 13 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 1: And the ancestors told me that you would come to 14 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:11,040 Speaker 1: give wisdom. Thousands. They said you would come Dropping Dropping Gym. Hey, 15 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:15,480 Speaker 1: welcome back. It's the Dropping Jim's podcast. I am Debbie Brown. 16 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:18,760 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us again. This week. 17 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 1: We are deep diving into astrology today, but specifically our 18 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 1: birth charts and even more specifically the absolutely incredible app 19 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 1: that seven point five million people are using to get 20 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 1: more deeply connected with themselves. Today we are talking to 21 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:45,319 Speaker 1: the creator of the pattern. I'm really excited for today's conversation. UM. 22 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 1: Something I've shared on this show, something I speak to 23 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 1: quite a bit on my Instagram and uh, within my 24 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 1: social circles in my life. UM, is the really beautiful 25 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 1: gift that is astrology. I think so many of us 26 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 1: were used to seeing astrology through one particular lens, through 27 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 1: the Western astrology lens, for so long, which is the 28 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 1: kind of back of the magazine, you know, the quick 29 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 1: little tidbits of today. You'll have them luck, or you 30 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 1: might get this, or you might get that. And the 31 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:16,960 Speaker 1: thing that is so beautiful about astrology is I really 32 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 1: believe it to be such a powerful spiritual teacher and 33 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:24,080 Speaker 1: such a tool for awakening and enlightenment. I believe that 34 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 1: astrology is a spiritual science. And the way that astrology works, 35 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:31,839 Speaker 1: especially in the in the sense of your birth chart, 36 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:34,960 Speaker 1: is it is so deeply connected to the location you 37 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 1: were born, the time you were born, and the wind 38 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 1: that you were born, and all of the ways that 39 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 1: that can inform your life path and give you a 40 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:45,919 Speaker 1: clear lens within which to view yourself, view your life, 41 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 1: and view the curriculum or the patterns that are at 42 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 1: play with you. So on today's show, I'll be speaking 43 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 1: with Lisa Donovan. Now, Lisa has had such a fascinating 44 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:00,920 Speaker 1: and expansive life. Before online face was a thing, and 45 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 1: before YouTube was even the megap platform that it is now, 46 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 1: there was a small group of digital pioneers, and Lisa 47 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 1: Donovan was one of them. She was on the forefront 48 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 1: of online content way back in two thousand and five, 49 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 1: and she started one of the first and most successful 50 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 1: YouTube content channels on the site, which then led to 51 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 1: many jobs in mainstream Hollywood. But she decided to go 52 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 1: a completely different route. So utilizing so much of that 53 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 1: beautiful online experience that she had, Lisa co founded and 54 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 1: served as a board member for Maker Studios Next, which 55 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 1: was the next generation talent focused technology and media company. 56 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 1: She did huge things with that. It sold to Disney, 57 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 1: and then she really anchored into a deeper service, a 58 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 1: deeper path creating the pattern. So confronted with a really 59 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 1: harsh reality that the foundation of much of what she 60 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 1: thought she knew was slipping away. Making so many of 61 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 1: those pivots and really big transitions, Lisa began a long 62 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 1: journey of self discovery that became the impetus for her endeavor. 63 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 1: The pattern born from both personal experience. During this challenging time, 64 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 1: Lisa focused all of her efforts on creating something that 65 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 1: could help others feel seen, understood, and supported, especially in 66 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 1: times of perceived struggle or deep challenge, and while living 67 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 1: in her childhood bedroom, she passionately wrote every single passage 68 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 1: in the app, which was a labor of love that 69 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 1: Lisa had spent over six years developing before this type 70 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 1: of information was easily accessible to all. This app is 71 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 1: rooted in astrology, and it guides and empowers you to 72 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:41,040 Speaker 1: achieve a higher level of consciousness and acceptance of your 73 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 1: authentic self. The pattern unlocks the keys to your personality 74 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:47,920 Speaker 1: traits by providing a breakdown of the ways in which 75 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 1: you operate in the world and relate to others. So 76 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 1: go ahead and get comfortable. We're doing this in two parts. 77 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 1: Download the app so you can play along with it 78 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 1: as we're going through it and get ready to maybe 79 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 1: meet yourself more deeply or get a mini master class 80 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:09,359 Speaker 1: and how to understand how this could potentially be a 81 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:12,599 Speaker 1: really useful tool to you on your journey. And I 82 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:14,600 Speaker 1: gotta I gotta give you guys a little behind the 83 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 1: curtain of this episode. We ran into almost a twenty 84 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 1: minute stand still trying to have this conversation, and Lisa 85 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 1: was so gracious and so amazing about sticking with us 86 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:29,679 Speaker 1: through our technical difficulty. So I am I'm so excited 87 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 1: to finally be sharing UM and able to start impacking 88 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 1: this conversation. Lisa. Thank you so much, Lisa Donovan, welcome 89 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:39,480 Speaker 1: to the show. Thank you for having me. I'm so 90 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 1: grateful to be here. And I feel like we just 91 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 1: went through something together. I know, we just bound difficulties, 92 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:50,159 Speaker 1: really bonded for life, for life, We bonded in such 93 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 1: a deep way and just I mean, I gotta say 94 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:57,719 Speaker 1: your level of graciousness and grace through that was so beautiful, UM, 95 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 1: And so I am really grateful. Wow, we worked well together. 96 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 1: I have been so looking forward to this conversation and 97 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't even know where to start. I 98 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:15,039 Speaker 1: live by my chart, and something that I've talked about 99 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:19,599 Speaker 1: on this show is, you know, I really, I really 100 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 1: experience astrology as a spiritual science, as one of the 101 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 1: most profound tools you could invite into your life. And 102 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 1: the way that I experienced it it. It really feels 103 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 1: like and I don't believe in these terms like life 104 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 1: hacks or cheat code, but that's exactly what it feels like. UM. 105 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 1: And it's just the way you have designed this. It's 106 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 1: it's so profound, like it's so beautiful and the way 107 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:48,599 Speaker 1: that you interpret the chart. I'm a big believer that 108 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 1: people UM can only use their gifts as deeply as 109 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:56,920 Speaker 1: their healing has come through and so work like this, 110 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 1: but it's really divine translations. And the way that you 111 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:05,360 Speaker 1: translate this divine work is so so not just beautiful, 112 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 1: but it become such a profoundly useful tool. UM. You 113 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 1: may feel I don't even know what to say. I 114 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 1: feel like I'm just gonna walk offs. It's enough, you know, 115 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 1: I thank you so much, God, and I and there 116 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 1: and there's so many things that we're going to get 117 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 1: into about your life. Your life is absolutely fascinating, your path, 118 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 1: But first let's start here. How did you first connect 119 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 1: to astrology? I just gotta chill everything you're saying, because 120 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 1: I agree with you everything you say about astrology. And 121 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 1: I was not somebody who grew up maybe in a 122 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 1: spiritual home or where UM astrology would have been sort 123 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 1: of on the agenda at all. Everything was logic and 124 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 1: we can rationalize that and we can think about that. Um. 125 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 1: So it came to me a little bit later, you know, 126 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 1: it came to me when my life, Um, you know, 127 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 1: I was needing some challenges. My life kind of took 128 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:08,120 Speaker 1: sort of drastic turns and everything turned upside down. Everything 129 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 1: I understood about it, my my ego, my personality, how 130 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 1: I thought things were going to be, the people I 131 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 1: thought i'd be with, the business I was running, the 132 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 1: life I was going to live. Um, it was just 133 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 1: gone very quickly, and I was gonna have to kind 134 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 1: of start from scratch. And you know that's when these 135 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 1: things come to you, right. I just it was just random. 136 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 1: Someone was talking about it and I said, oh, I'd 137 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 1: like to try that, which I don't think I ever 138 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 1: would have in the past. You know, maybe I wouldn't 139 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 1: have needed that. I would have been open to it 140 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:38,079 Speaker 1: when have hurt it. So it came at the right time, 141 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 1: and I probably had preconceived notions about it. Again, it 142 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 1: was sort of trapped in the mind about everything and 143 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 1: I had this reading and it was a complete sort 144 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 1: of psychological breakdown, an emotional breakdown of who I was, 145 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 1: all the things I've felt my whole life, certain insecurities, 146 00:08:56,800 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 1: certain fears. It was so specific to and what I 147 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:04,479 Speaker 1: was going throughout that time. It was sort of a revelation, 148 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 1: what is this? You know? It almost felt like magic 149 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:11,839 Speaker 1: or that it's not magic, it's spirit, right, It's being 150 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:14,439 Speaker 1: open to the world that I was not connected to. 151 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:16,440 Speaker 1: Not that it wasn't knocking out my door all the time, 152 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:19,560 Speaker 1: or that now that I look back, it was there always, 153 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 1: but but um, this was my entry into it and 154 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 1: changing my life completely. This is eight years ago and 155 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 1: being more on you know, I hate these terms to 156 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:34,200 Speaker 1: the path that were, but being on it and like, wow, okay, 157 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:36,960 Speaker 1: well this is a different way to live and be 158 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 1: a bit more you know, aware, And it allowed me 159 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:43,080 Speaker 1: to go very deeply into what I was going through 160 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:46,840 Speaker 1: and to process and understand sort of my pain and 161 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 1: my joys and my strengths and my fears and my wounds, 162 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 1: and um, it just blew me away. And that was 163 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 1: sort of you know, had experienced that's tool at this 164 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 1: very challenging time is what gave birth to the pattern. 165 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:00,599 Speaker 1: I was like, everyone needs to all about this to 166 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 1: people people, because I had the oh, it's cheesy, and 167 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 1: how can everybody born in the month of June be 168 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 1: the same person and having the same thing, which, of 169 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 1: course it's not. It's much more specific when you get 170 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 1: into it, and it's really um you know, you're mooning 171 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:16,720 Speaker 1: your venus and all these specific things, and it's really 172 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 1: dialed into you. And I was like, I gotta figure 173 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:20,680 Speaker 1: out a way to like get this to everybody and 174 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 1: get rid of what kept me away from it for 175 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 1: so many years and bring it down to like two 176 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 1: Earth where it can be sort of translated. I say, 177 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 1: I want to translate it and make it accessible. And 178 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 1: then you know this is going seven eight years ago 179 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 1: and then years and years and years what that journey 180 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 1: would be, which I thought it'd easy. I was like, 181 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:44,320 Speaker 1: I'll just do this. It's like I'm gonna take a 182 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 1: long time, and here we are. You know what I 183 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:49,560 Speaker 1: would love to to unravel for the audience is like 184 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:54,319 Speaker 1: I think when people are starting to hear about using 185 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:57,440 Speaker 1: your chart, they're they're thinking of it in the structure 186 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 1: of the back of the magazine or like those little 187 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 1: scrolls at the front of the grocery aisle where it's 188 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 1: like of western astrology, which is really based on your 189 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 1: son and it's all about you know, and today girl 190 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 1: put on a little extra lipstick or and this is 191 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 1: you know, it's like and I was always drawn to astrology, 192 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 1: but when I used to read those, I'm like, what 193 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:22,440 Speaker 1: does this mean? Like how do I actually apply this 194 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 1: to be useful and not just feel like a like 195 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 1: a game or like you know, just a little like 196 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:31,960 Speaker 1: fun um. But your birth chart, like your chart chart 197 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 1: when you're going through your house is and you got 198 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:38,199 Speaker 1: your moon and your sun and your rising and your venus. 199 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 1: And the way that I experience is it helps you 200 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 1: understand the greater story at play about your life. You know, 201 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 1: you're able to really zoom out and look at life 202 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 1: as a vertical And for me it really represented as 203 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:59,439 Speaker 1: I was able to see the the patterns no pun intended, Yeah, 204 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 1: but you're able to see the patterns at play so 205 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 1: that you can work with them as tools. And I 206 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 1: think so many of us we get caught in this psycho. 207 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 1: Why does this keep happening to me? Oh I had 208 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 1: this happened to me, Then that person did it too. 209 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:16,079 Speaker 1: When I was a kid, this happened, It still happens. 210 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:21,680 Speaker 1: We look at it as as the system of personalization 211 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 1: of all that we're doing wrong or what what is 212 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 1: so wrong about us that we're drawing this to us. 213 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:29,560 Speaker 1: And that's what I think is so beautiful about the 214 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 1: pattern and so beautiful about living with your chart, is 215 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 1: that it it really lets you know this is not 216 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:39,080 Speaker 1: an against no for you, This is not a judgment 217 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:42,439 Speaker 1: for you, this is not a punishment, this is this 218 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:44,719 Speaker 1: is what we signed up for. And being able to 219 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 1: zoom out, it's like, oh, of course, this is how 220 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 1: my life is unfolding. Okay, now that I see that, 221 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 1: let me get on the path with intention. Let me 222 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 1: get on the path with a co creation, a way 223 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 1: of being with it, so that I'm designing my life, 224 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 1: in a word, in swift, Because when you design your 225 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:04,319 Speaker 1: life in accordance with your chart, it's like you unlock 226 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 1: this insanely beautiful flow. I mean, you just spoke about 227 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 1: it so beautifully. I can't even imagine adding to this, 228 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 1: I really, but you said it is so powerful and 229 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 1: how I feel it's really aligned with and that's what 230 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:21,199 Speaker 1: it was for me or what it is for me, 231 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 1: And I felt like it could be a tool for 232 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 1: empowering you. I think the way we think of astrology 233 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 1: is sort of predictive. This is what you were saying, is, 234 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:31,200 Speaker 1: you know, don't go to the store today, do this, 235 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 1: do that, very you know, it's really just to sell 236 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:37,439 Speaker 1: newspapers and to sort of you know, here's your sun sign, 237 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:39,959 Speaker 1: here's you know you need to know this week. There's 238 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 1: something much deeper. This wisdom is ancient, it's you know, 239 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 1: it's this universe we're living in. I think the idea 240 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:49,720 Speaker 1: of it is to be a tool for empowerment, not 241 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:52,320 Speaker 1: dissempowering you. And I think what you said is exactly 242 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 1: it by getting very objective, because I think we spend 243 00:13:56,400 --> 00:14:00,160 Speaker 1: our lives very narrow. All we know is what's year 244 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 1: and what's around us. And we started comparing ourselves. Why 245 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:04,440 Speaker 1: don't I know this? Why am I not more like this? 246 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:07,840 Speaker 1: And we don't sort of own our path and our truth. 247 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:09,680 Speaker 1: And I think that's it. That's sort of you know, 248 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 1: disconnect from sort of the soul tight and the personality. 249 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:15,000 Speaker 1: Right that Gary's you cough. You know, when you align 250 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 1: those two things, you're really empowered your soul and your personality. 251 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 1: And the idea of this or the pattern or any 252 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 1: tool is to sort of reconnect you with that truth, 253 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 1: that blueprint in your life because we go off and 254 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 1: that's what it was for me. When I had the 255 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 1: first reading, I was like, oh, oh my god, I 256 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 1: could just stop turning. So all right, yeah, I know, 257 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 1: I know everything you're telling you that's true. Why have 258 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 1: I been spending you thirty years of my life? I'm 259 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 1: trying to do this, and yes, that pattern is true. 260 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 1: And then instead of it being about the other person, 261 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 1: that was the most empowering. Anytime you're thinking your problem 262 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 1: is about somebody else, so they're not giving you something, 263 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 1: there's you're so off track. And this was so empowering 264 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 1: because I was like, oh, it's me. I bring that 265 00:14:56,720 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 1: person in every time. And then you just sort of 266 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 1: free because you're like, I can work with this, you 267 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 1: know I can. I can own that. And then you 268 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 1: can get really objective about it. You sort of see 269 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 1: the myth of your life. You see how you all 270 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 1: come together, why you're coming together. You can see the 271 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 1: greater story and not take it so literally every day 272 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 1: like and I mean, that kind of stuff goes out 273 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 1: the window, like oh, she talked to me this way 274 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 1: or this, Well, what's her pattern? What's she going through. Okay, 275 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 1: she has a wound where you know, you connect with 276 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 1: each other this way, that's maybe gonna make her feel 277 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 1: really judged, and now you can have compassion for that 278 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 1: and you can adjust for that, and you can. So 279 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 1: that's what that was. Just it's everything you said, and 280 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 1: that was my sort of personal experience. It was this 281 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 1: massive liberation. There's nobody to blame, there's nothing to like, 282 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 1: and now I'm on this path where I can just 283 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 1: keep sort of coming back to that and either it 284 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 1: resonates or it doesn't. You read your pattern and there's 285 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 1: some truth and you can take something away from it 286 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 1: or not, and that's either way. It's fine. You know. 287 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 1: It's not we're trying to give into anybody of anything. 288 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 1: I'm not. It's just like an offering. Yeah, you know, 289 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 1: like if it's helpful, use it, you know, and maybe 290 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 1: it'll be helpful at a different time. It wouldn't have 291 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 1: been helping me at twenty. I wasn't ready to hear anything. 292 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 1: What does all this mean? I talk to people in 293 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 1: their twenties that are so conscious and I'm like, oh, 294 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 1: man to me a long time, Yeah, well, we we existed, 295 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 1: and so that ushered in a new consciousness to the 296 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:26,880 Speaker 1: planet that is allowing for that. You know, I think, um, 297 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 1: we're some more time time. Yes, you're always on time. 298 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 1: So I love that you can get rid of sort 299 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 1: of when you understand that too. In your transits and 300 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 1: what you're going through, there's no more pomo. You realize 301 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 1: there's no other place you're supposed to be or exactly 302 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 1: where you're supposed to be. Get off to comparing get 303 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 1: off thinking Okay, you're gonna be in a transit where 304 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 1: it's gonna you're gonna feel like you can't go do 305 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 1: that or go hang out with those people in the 306 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 1: same way that's okay, just accept sort of like to accept. Yeah, 307 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 1: and that's the word. That's what I really think. The 308 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 1: pattern does so beautifully. Um and and this is what 309 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 1: really working with your chart does. But the way that 310 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:07,200 Speaker 1: you have designed you're offering for the world, it's it's 311 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:10,879 Speaker 1: so beautiful because I'm noticing there's so many things that 312 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 1: you tie into understanding a chart, like there is deep 313 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 1: psychological process. There's also so much um connectedness to like 314 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 1: the path of non judgment. And really something in meditation 315 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 1: that we speak too often is like coming into the 316 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 1: role of being the observer or being the witness of 317 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:31,359 Speaker 1: your thoughts. And I think the way that you have 318 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 1: written and designed this app it allows people to come 319 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 1: into that without even realizing you're coming into that. Like 320 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:42,160 Speaker 1: some of the language is so exquisite. And this app, 321 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 1: especially as it relates to what you were just talking to, 322 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:47,360 Speaker 1: which is like you know, hey, I'm having tension with 323 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 1: this person. It's their fault. And then you look at 324 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 1: it and you're like, you might have tension with this 325 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:57,160 Speaker 1: person because they're bringing this forward in you, and that 326 00:17:57,320 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 1: is no one is doing anything wrong. It's just to 327 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:06,240 Speaker 1: be aware of. And it's like, oh the freedom, well, 328 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 1: the freedom I don't have to be mad at me. 329 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:10,879 Speaker 1: I don't have to be mad at you. This is 330 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 1: just what is and like this is it's such a 331 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 1: tool for self acceptance. Thank you. That's I mean, that's 332 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 1: the goal. That was the goal, and I thank you 333 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 1: for that because that was that's that piece. I didn't 334 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:25,200 Speaker 1: want anybody to feel judge. So it was a lot 335 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 1: of like, it's not you, it's not that, it's just 336 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:30,959 Speaker 1: a patternentis can you get outside that? Because it's so 337 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 1: much easier to just judge someone or judge yourself, you know, 338 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:37,679 Speaker 1: and stay suck in all this sort of pain and 339 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:40,520 Speaker 1: all this wounding. That's what you know, where ideally it 340 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 1: can be that sort of luck deliberation exactly, the freedom 341 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:48,160 Speaker 1: of like, oh okay, I don't like to get stuck 342 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 1: in that, you know, and give perspective. And that was 343 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:54,359 Speaker 1: part of the the most important part of the writing 344 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 1: for me, was out of making sure like, okay, this 345 00:18:57,040 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 1: sounds to judgment, but we had to read that because 346 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:01,639 Speaker 1: it sounds just a slightly as your mental or you know, 347 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 1: how do we just open it up to the sort 348 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 1: of space for you to let somebody have their experience, 349 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:08,679 Speaker 1: you have your experience, and let it let it be. 350 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 1: Um so I think, I think, thank you, I'm so 351 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 1: glad you know that that resonant. That was certainly the attention. Yeah, 352 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:19,719 Speaker 1: it's it feels like a powerful tool for awakening because 353 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 1: that is the piece that I think keeps so many 354 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:26,440 Speaker 1: from the deepest level of themselves. There is always some 355 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 1: against us or some belief that this inner seed of 356 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 1: worthlessness is going to be validated by your life, right, 357 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 1: you know, you bring that in, you validate it by 358 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:42,119 Speaker 1: creating your magnetic for those kinds of experiences, So you're 359 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:44,680 Speaker 1: going to bring in whatever is. That's why you can 360 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:47,439 Speaker 1: own the wound you can get into. I'm gonna change 361 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:50,159 Speaker 1: that level. I'm gonna, I'm gonna I'm not gonna be 362 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 1: magnetic with that anymore because I don't I don't believe 363 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:54,960 Speaker 1: that anymore. Whereas you're gonna every experience you're gonna have 364 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 1: in life is just gonna bring in what you're feeling 365 00:19:57,560 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 1: to that, and that's the empowerment piece hopefully, or the 366 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,480 Speaker 1: akening a piece of like get out of that cycle. 367 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:05,200 Speaker 1: Could be ten years blaming somebody for your whole life, 368 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:08,879 Speaker 1: blaming somebody you know, um, And it's right there for 369 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:11,199 Speaker 1: you if you kind of just like you said, if 370 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:13,680 Speaker 1: you would sort of work intentionally with this stuff like 371 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:17,200 Speaker 1: I chose this. I chose to feel deeply insure about 372 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 1: myself because you know what the path is about self love, 373 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:22,680 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna have to learn that that's part of 374 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 1: my path. How amazing, Okay, how amazing. Now I know 375 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:29,119 Speaker 1: my curriculum. Now I know my work, and so I 376 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 1: don't have to keep running in this circle with myself. 377 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 1: I can really get going and know that I am 378 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:37,920 Speaker 1: a creator. I am in the driver's seat of my life. 379 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 1: I'm an active participant. Uh so good. The pattern, You 380 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 1: guys have a user base of six million people right now. 381 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 1: This has been driven completely organically through word of mouth, 382 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 1: like no advertisement. That is actually seven and a half 383 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 1: I think. Now, Oh my god. Okay, and you know, 384 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 1: one of the things that the pattern really stands behind 385 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:06,679 Speaker 1: is it guides and empowers you to achieve a higher 386 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:13,640 Speaker 1: level of consciousness and acceptance for your authentic self. How 387 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 1: how exactly does the app work and how is it 388 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:24,440 Speaker 1: possible to assimilate such unique and specific understanding for each 389 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:28,359 Speaker 1: person out of seven point five million people? Yeah, I mean, 390 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:33,200 Speaker 1: algorithms are complicated to explain clearly. It is a it's 391 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:36,000 Speaker 1: a very sort of robust algorithm, i'd say, and it 392 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 1: is sort of more complex, I think than what is 393 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 1: or what has been out there, because when I started 394 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:44,439 Speaker 1: looking for something after I had my experience, I couldn't 395 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 1: find anything that sort of synthesize at all and went 396 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:48,720 Speaker 1: as deep as I wanted it to go, right. I 397 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:50,719 Speaker 1: wanted all the information. I wanted it to be just 398 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:52,679 Speaker 1: like my reading and give it, give it all to 399 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 1: me as if I was an person with somebody and 400 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:56,959 Speaker 1: that was sort of the intention behind it was, Okay, 401 00:21:57,160 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 1: how can we mimic I wanted to mimic experience. I 402 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:03,919 Speaker 1: had that a weekening I had, So I will say 403 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 1: it took a very long time, and that when you're 404 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 1: sort of extracting this information, trying to understand the system 405 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 1: something that is an oral tradition and you're trying to 406 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 1: put it into an al rhythm and and it was 407 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:20,240 Speaker 1: years and years of writing content. So there was quite 408 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:24,720 Speaker 1: a bit of stock piling content and testing and I 409 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 1: go out and test a lot because you know, we 410 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 1: get more and more detailed, because I was like, oh, 411 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 1: we're still not hitting this though I know this piece 412 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:33,960 Speaker 1: is so important and it's not showing up. It's because 413 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 1: we need to add this to it, right. So um, 414 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 1: it was a lot of trial and there are a 415 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:43,720 Speaker 1: lot of testing. Um, and that was sort of the 416 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 1: amazing part of the testing. This a little digression, but 417 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:50,920 Speaker 1: everybody I spoke to it didn't matter age, gender, raise, 418 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:54,479 Speaker 1: every single person wants to feel scene and understood, right. 419 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 1: And so just seeing that was so motivating, you know, 420 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 1: because maybe it's it started not that it was symbolo. 421 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:04,120 Speaker 1: The intention when it was always to make it that deep. 422 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 1: But basically you wanted to hit I wanted to hit 423 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:09,640 Speaker 1: everybody's experience, right and I and it just the more 424 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:11,879 Speaker 1: I tested and margot into, the more it was compelled 425 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:13,879 Speaker 1: to write more and make it more robust and make 426 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 1: it more us. You know, this one on for years 427 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:20,680 Speaker 1: and years and years. Um, and yeah, I mean I 428 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:22,640 Speaker 1: know I'm not giving the exact it's not like there's 429 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 1: the but like, because it is a complicated thing to explain, 430 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 1: I will see our moon sign. Astrology we do not 431 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:32,440 Speaker 1: take into account the sun and archetypally, so when you're 432 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 1: reading your pattern, you're never reading about your son unless 433 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 1: that sun sign is also you're vings or your Mars, 434 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 1: your moon, your senate. It's it's really about the moment 435 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:45,680 Speaker 1: of your birth, you know. And so we're the moon 436 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 1: is very big and the Venus Mars send in mid 437 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 1: heaven complexes. Um that you might have meaning when I 438 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 1: satured to Pluto. You're honest. These things are in relation 439 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:58,399 Speaker 1: to your personal planets, where they're within a tend degree 440 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 1: or by square conjunction opposition. Um. You know. So we 441 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 1: we have our own sort of way of looking at things, 442 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 1: and that's what's great about Australa. There's all different kinds. 443 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 1: People look at it in all different ways. This is 444 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:14,320 Speaker 1: the most sort of simplified you know version I found 445 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:19,199 Speaker 1: and um yeah, long linded way of explaining. So you 446 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:22,960 Speaker 1: know when someone if someone goes today and and goes 447 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 1: and adds all the information, downloads the pattern, what is 448 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:30,919 Speaker 1: so important about the birth time? And how does that inform? 449 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 1: I mean the way you know? And this is all 450 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:35,720 Speaker 1: great mystery, right, how does this all work? There's a 451 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:37,920 Speaker 1: lot of mystery to all of this. And I remember 452 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 1: when I was creating it can be like looking for 453 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 1: like well that's a whole digression. But anyway, Um, so 454 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 1: the way it works, you put it, you put your information, 455 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:48,120 Speaker 1: and ideally you have a birth time. Not everybody does, 456 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 1: but we can still tell you a lot of things 457 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 1: about you even if you don't have the birth time. 458 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 1: But we're really trying to dial it down to that 459 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 1: moment in time. You are the creative expression of the 460 00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 1: universe in that single moment in time as above so 461 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:02,359 Speaker 1: below where were the planets and the sky at the 462 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 1: time of your birth? You are that expression of that moment, 463 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 1: and so we're trying to capture that. So you know, 464 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 1: the moon was part of the sky and that's Aquarius. 465 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:13,320 Speaker 1: You know, we're going to talk to you about Aquarius 466 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 1: and your version of Aquarius. We're gonna talk to you 467 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,720 Speaker 1: about and even more detailed version of Aquarius that you are. 468 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 1: Where was the venus? Where was the ascendant? You know, 469 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:23,119 Speaker 1: and the moon changes every two and a half days, 470 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 1: so it's much more specific than the sun the ascendant 471 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,200 Speaker 1: every two hours. That's where we get to the birth time. 472 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:32,560 Speaker 1: And um, oftentimes you're in a cusp of something, you're 473 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:37,359 Speaker 1: between two rising signs where that that moment is really important, 474 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 1: like for us to know that exact moment um. But 475 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 1: I don't want people who don't have a birth time. 476 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,600 Speaker 1: I think they can't use it. You most certainly can 477 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:47,440 Speaker 1: get a lot out of it. And from that, but yeah, 478 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:50,159 Speaker 1: and from there we say that this is sort of 479 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:54,400 Speaker 1: a blueprint, sort of the conscious way for your life, um, 480 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 1: and that there's certain intentions. There's curriculum, as you say, 481 00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:59,640 Speaker 1: the school you're in, you know, it's what you're learning 482 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,359 Speaker 1: about its lifetime and if you can sort of tune 483 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 1: into that, it's I think it's just a more embodied life. 484 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,040 Speaker 1: You know, it's more enjoyable. I think again, like I 485 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 1: said earlier, we're we're oftentimes comparing or living these quiet 486 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:16,920 Speaker 1: lives of desperation, trying to be something cultures as we 487 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,960 Speaker 1: should be. If you can get tuned in to actually 488 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:24,359 Speaker 1: what your path is about, it can be quite um liberating, 489 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 1: you know, and that we're saying, Look, you're faded to 490 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,199 Speaker 1: deal with certain energies, you know, this aquarious moment. How 491 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:31,720 Speaker 1: you choose to deal with it is your choice, is 492 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:35,280 Speaker 1: your destiny, and that is free will, and that's the 493 00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:39,479 Speaker 1: co creation that you're here, you know, creating this universe. 494 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:45,440 Speaker 1: And yeah, wow, my, when I read my chart, it 495 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:49,000 Speaker 1: it's so spot on, like so specifically spot on that 496 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:52,639 Speaker 1: I'm just like, oh wow, And I think, you know 497 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,200 Speaker 1: the pieces we speak to, the acceptance and how this 498 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 1: is really such a beautiful tool for being an acceptance 499 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 1: of yourself and just working with the what is um 500 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,080 Speaker 1: And whenever we fight the one is, guys, this is 501 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 1: when um we really invited more suffering. And I'm a 502 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 1: big believer that life comes with enough of it, so 503 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:18,879 Speaker 1: I don't add any extra sprinkles of suffering anywhere on myself, right, No, 504 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,520 Speaker 1: I really relate to that and I think that's there 505 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 1: was a certain kind of there's my life before this 506 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,200 Speaker 1: time period and after. And I think you said it, well, 507 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 1: you're suffering because you're portraying yourself all the time. And 508 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:35,720 Speaker 1: I was definitely a big self betrayer. It's like, you know, 509 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 1: well I can do what you want. I can I 510 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:40,439 Speaker 1: can be whatever you mean to be. You know, so 511 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:44,200 Speaker 1: you you disconnect, you know, you get further and further 512 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:47,359 Speaker 1: away from your truth, your spirit. And the whole idea 513 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:49,560 Speaker 1: of this is to like come come back home a 514 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,720 Speaker 1: little bit, you know, like tune into that and like 515 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:56,879 Speaker 1: go of the idea of who you are. You know, 516 00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:01,800 Speaker 1: You've had a really fascinating life. And I'm so curious 517 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,199 Speaker 1: because like when I look at my chart, it's the 518 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,439 Speaker 1: windy road and the time points that things happen, the 519 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 1: season I'm in right now. I mean, my god, I'm 520 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,399 Speaker 1: just like, okay, so the Feds are in my house 521 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:16,680 Speaker 1: surveillancing me at every second, Like how is this so accurate? 522 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 1: But you know, when I look at when I look 523 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 1: at the greater story being told, as I read through 524 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 1: some of the things that you've accomplished in some of 525 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:26,639 Speaker 1: the ways that you've taken up space in the world. 526 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,640 Speaker 1: It really fascinating. From being at the forefront of content 527 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:33,520 Speaker 1: and oh five to creating Maker Studios, generating like over 528 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 1: five hundred million dollars in five years, selling to Disney, 529 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:41,760 Speaker 1: and then creating this, this epic masterpiece. That is the pattern. 530 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 1: When you look at your chart, How has your chart 531 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:49,320 Speaker 1: informed this? You know what what does what does your 532 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:55,200 Speaker 1: chart say that can speak to all of this creation? Wow? Yeah? 533 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,440 Speaker 1: And you know you never do anything alone. So it's 534 00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:00,440 Speaker 1: all so many wonderful people coming to my life. But 535 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,280 Speaker 1: a part of the journey. Yeah, I mean my chart, 536 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:05,760 Speaker 1: it's it's um that's what's so wonderful. When I had 537 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:07,520 Speaker 1: this reading, because I was like, that don't make sense, 538 00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:10,640 Speaker 1: because it's almost like Carolyn Mace talked about this a 539 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:14,080 Speaker 1: lot that certain things animate in your life. Um like, 540 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 1: let's say you could spend your maybe that I wanted 541 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:20,400 Speaker 1: to be a painter, and somehow it's just never animates, 542 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,920 Speaker 1: It never comes to life. But somehow this other thing 543 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,280 Speaker 1: you never wanted to do does. And I feel like, 544 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:30,320 Speaker 1: in a certain way, I've just let what's animating happen, 545 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:33,880 Speaker 1: if you will, Because I never thought I'd be involved 546 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,600 Speaker 1: in business, never in a million years. You know, it's 547 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:39,200 Speaker 1: just really oh my gosh, no so and I don't know, 548 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 1: he keeps animate And I was like, okay, this is 549 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:43,959 Speaker 1: just the past. Just just accepted. Of course, I'm doing 550 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:48,680 Speaker 1: it in my own way that is not thinking, um, 551 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,520 Speaker 1: maybe the traditional way of business. It's sort of a 552 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:55,080 Speaker 1: non traditional way and um, but yeah, I've got Gemini, 553 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:57,640 Speaker 1: i got Virgo, I've got a lot of Neptune, and 554 00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,320 Speaker 1: I've got a lot of satturny and saddurn was a 555 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,880 Speaker 1: big piece of the puzzle for me because that was 556 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,280 Speaker 1: a feeling of an adequacy and not being enough and 557 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 1: needing to prove yourself. So I think there was a 558 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:12,080 Speaker 1: constant drive to prove myself to whether it's family or culture, 559 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,360 Speaker 1: whatever it is. But it sort of got me on 560 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 1: a certain path. And um, that's what was started happening 561 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 1: in my life when I found astrology, and um, it 562 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,320 Speaker 1: took me into the sort of self healing and self 563 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:27,240 Speaker 1: love during for many years. And that's what the pattern was, 564 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:30,280 Speaker 1: a sort of a catharsis of creating that, um and 565 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 1: processing all that and processing that and I guess a 566 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:37,400 Speaker 1: creative way. A Gemini is very creative. It's some Leo, 567 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:41,520 Speaker 1: that's very creative. And um, I said, if I was 568 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 1: a musician, I would have made an album or something. 569 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,760 Speaker 1: Instead I made the pattern. This is my creative expression. 570 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,120 Speaker 1: And I think, you know, Gemini is very independent and 571 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:52,800 Speaker 1: is not maybe as caught up. I don't know that. 572 00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:55,520 Speaker 1: I was never caught up and maybe traditional benchmarks. So 573 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:58,480 Speaker 1: I think it allowed me to think really outside the box. 574 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,240 Speaker 1: It's not like, oh I better be married at that 575 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,680 Speaker 1: age or have they said that, like those things don't playing. 576 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,120 Speaker 1: I still think I'm twelve, I'm for you, and you know, 577 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:09,320 Speaker 1: it just doesn't occur to me that I'm aging. I'm 578 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:12,960 Speaker 1: like am I you know? So I I don't those 579 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,440 Speaker 1: things I think was from the Gemini, which is which 580 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:19,640 Speaker 1: is a gift. And and then the Saturn puts you 581 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:21,760 Speaker 1: to work because it says it doesn't like Gemini, and 582 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:23,480 Speaker 1: it's like you don't get to be for you better work, 583 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:28,080 Speaker 1: you better work hard. So I think, um, that combo yeah, 584 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:31,640 Speaker 1: and just I guess allowing it to unfold and and 585 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:36,200 Speaker 1: animate the way it has. Wow, I would love to 586 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,000 Speaker 1: see your chart. I'm a double Gemini Leo rising and 587 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:42,040 Speaker 1: so much just resonated with what yes, we have similar. 588 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:44,400 Speaker 1: We have similar short here and we're yeah, we're both 589 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:48,280 Speaker 1: Gemini movements, um and um. We have a past life 590 00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:53,040 Speaker 1: chromic link. Oh to tell, well, we would know each 591 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,360 Speaker 1: other in the past. And the way we look at 592 00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:57,320 Speaker 1: these things, you know, you can look at its literal 593 00:31:57,880 --> 00:31:59,440 Speaker 1: or you can look at it's just a feeling. It's 594 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,400 Speaker 1: sort of Yeah. I always look at it as literal. 595 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,200 Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, I do too. I get the whole story. 596 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:10,920 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, we did this, yeah, but but yeah, 597 00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:15,120 Speaker 1: it's you have Gemini. Uh, your moon is Gemini or 598 00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 1: the cancer version of Gemini, and as do I. We 599 00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 1: both have a cancer mercury um early arising, the arizing, 600 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:26,920 Speaker 1: and you have your venus is and taurists um and um. 601 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,440 Speaker 1: I think your mars is in cancer. So yeah, we 602 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:34,000 Speaker 1: can get into your child. Tell me about my venus. Yes, 603 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,959 Speaker 1: did you know that your venus was in tours. I 604 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,760 Speaker 1: didn't know that, but I haven't. It's funny. I haven't 605 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:44,239 Speaker 1: really explored that too much. Um, but it's been on 606 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:47,920 Speaker 1: my mind lately. Yeah. Yeah, well you're so. The way 607 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,400 Speaker 1: we look at the moon, we look at it is 608 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:53,280 Speaker 1: your lineage, is that it's where you've come from. And 609 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,520 Speaker 1: so you've lived sort of many lifetimes, is that moon, 610 00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,680 Speaker 1: and you're a Gemini moon. So we said, you're sort 611 00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,120 Speaker 1: of coming into this life with the certain perspective and 612 00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:02,640 Speaker 1: the way that you look at things, and it's in 613 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:06,479 Speaker 1: the Gemini way. The Gemini is that is the you know, 614 00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:12,240 Speaker 1: the the youth, the it's it's very cerebral, very bright, 615 00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:14,760 Speaker 1: it's very fun. It never wants to grow up, you know. 616 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:17,520 Speaker 1: It's the child is the child at play. It really 617 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,680 Speaker 1: is um. It's here to bring spirit. It's in service 618 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:22,880 Speaker 1: to spirit, but in a way of being sort of irreverent, 619 00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:27,280 Speaker 1: being independent, thinking, sort of outside the box, turning ideas 620 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:31,000 Speaker 1: on their heads, so never taking anything too literally. It's 621 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:34,320 Speaker 1: like in throwing in some other new ideas, and it's 622 00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:36,560 Speaker 1: it sort of lives outside the law in the sense 623 00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:39,400 Speaker 1: that it's like rules don't apply, you know. It's it's 624 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,840 Speaker 1: it's it's thinking a little bit broader. It's a free electron. 625 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:46,680 Speaker 1: It's a real true free spirit, we'd say. And you're 626 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,840 Speaker 1: the cancer version. There's twelve versions of it, so you're 627 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:53,400 Speaker 1: you Also there's sort of this nurturing quality with how 628 00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:55,400 Speaker 1: you use your Gemini, and you use it with the 629 00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:58,120 Speaker 1: people you love. And you bring spirit to them in 630 00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:00,840 Speaker 1: that way. It's very fun and its usually has a 631 00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:04,720 Speaker 1: great sense of humor, and but it's very interesting because 632 00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:09,080 Speaker 1: they don't know anything about emotions and deep feelings, right, 633 00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:12,000 Speaker 1: So you're coming in not knowing anything about it. But 634 00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:14,400 Speaker 1: your chart, your journey is going to have a lot 635 00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,879 Speaker 1: of that. So all of that would be new, right, 636 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,040 Speaker 1: so it's all brand new. You're a beginner, It's like, 637 00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,319 Speaker 1: what are these feelings? Because Gemini is not interested in that. 638 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,600 Speaker 1: It's like, give me the information. I just want the information. 639 00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,560 Speaker 1: I want to logically process it and sort of move on. 640 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,600 Speaker 1: It's air, you know. But you're on a journey that's 641 00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:32,560 Speaker 1: gonna have a lot of depths in richness to it, 642 00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:34,920 Speaker 1: so it's it would all be very new, you know. 643 00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:36,719 Speaker 1: It's sort of like, oh gosh, I don't I don't 644 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:41,040 Speaker 1: know about these feelings. Um, your your venus isn't tourists, 645 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,960 Speaker 1: which is the opposite of Gemini. They're next to each 646 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:45,839 Speaker 1: other and this already, so anything that's next to each 647 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:47,879 Speaker 1: other is usually gonna have a bit of a bit 648 00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:51,040 Speaker 1: of not understanding each other. It says if there were 649 00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:54,399 Speaker 1: two people, they literally wouldn't like each other. Gemini's fast 650 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:58,520 Speaker 1: fast gass to ours is super slow. It's grounded. It's 651 00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,560 Speaker 1: earth the it's you're do something. It's all air up 652 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:03,520 Speaker 1: in the sky and you're trying to ground it right. 653 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:08,360 Speaker 1: And tourists is essential. It's about pleasure and it's about relaxing, 654 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:12,799 Speaker 1: and it's about enjoying the present moment and being embodied. 655 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,880 Speaker 1: And Gemina doesn't have a body. It's all air, you know, 656 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:20,080 Speaker 1: it's just flying around. So how do these two blend? 657 00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,799 Speaker 1: You know, that's like to the alchemy of your life. 658 00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,000 Speaker 1: It's part of the journey of blending these two things 659 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:29,000 Speaker 1: because they're wonderful together. Because of course it's wonderful to 660 00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:30,560 Speaker 1: have all these things you want to fire you with 661 00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:33,600 Speaker 1: the water and air, and you're quite balanced. Some charts 662 00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:36,279 Speaker 1: you have to understand, don't have any water. So they 663 00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:39,640 Speaker 1: might not know how to merge with another and really 664 00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:44,440 Speaker 1: understand their experience. Your mercury is a cancer, which is 665 00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,520 Speaker 1: you know, a water sign. It's it's empathetic, it's kind, 666 00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:50,640 Speaker 1: it's sensitive, it's merging with the other. It's able to 667 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:57,839 Speaker 1: be really present um and understand another person's emotional experience. Um, 668 00:35:57,880 --> 00:35:59,880 Speaker 1: you know, and then you'rely arising, which is a fire 669 00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:04,920 Speaker 1: in the action and your journey being about um having 670 00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,480 Speaker 1: the courage to make your life up anyway that you 671 00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:10,920 Speaker 1: desire to love yourself so authentically that it inspires others 672 00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:14,360 Speaker 1: to love themselves. It's extremely creative. It's ablabing the the 673 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:16,359 Speaker 1: queen of your life, you know, the king of your 674 00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:21,400 Speaker 1: life and and doing it your own way. And you 675 00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,640 Speaker 1: do have. You have a lot of neptune. It's quite 676 00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:30,160 Speaker 1: a visionary, it's quite um empathetic and merging with everybody. 677 00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:33,880 Speaker 1: It can make knowing who you are challenging at times, 678 00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:38,279 Speaker 1: because sometimes it feels like you don't even have a self. Um. 679 00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:41,520 Speaker 1: And then that tourists, there is a Pluto complex to it. 680 00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,359 Speaker 1: So Pluto is the underworld that their experiences in your 681 00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:48,000 Speaker 1: life that have been overwhelming or rational, unexplainable and take 682 00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:51,719 Speaker 1: you beyond what you know, out of your comfort zone, 683 00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:57,880 Speaker 1: out of your control and forces surrender. Yeah, the enforces 684 00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:02,759 Speaker 1: deep surrender and especially around security comfort being able to 685 00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,200 Speaker 1: be that tourists, if there's Pluto to it, how to 686 00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:08,280 Speaker 1: feel truly comfortable in your body, to feel truly comfortable 687 00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:10,480 Speaker 1: in the world. What it shows me is that you 688 00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:13,480 Speaker 1: have incredible depth that's the gift. We say, there's a gift. 689 00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:17,319 Speaker 1: They've done nothing wrong. There's no reason you you're having 690 00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:20,239 Speaker 1: these experiences except to teach you about the spectrum of 691 00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:24,239 Speaker 1: emotions in your own depth, you know, and as I 692 00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:28,560 Speaker 1: tried to do this quickly, possibly good. And then there's 693 00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:33,000 Speaker 1: a whole relationship aspect, which I imagine is challenging growing 694 00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,719 Speaker 1: up because you have there's a wound to the masculine 695 00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:38,759 Speaker 1: which is in cancer. So that's a big piece of 696 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:42,279 Speaker 1: the charm. I am looking for the other to nurture you, 697 00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:44,759 Speaker 1: to be the mother to you, to care for you, 698 00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:49,840 Speaker 1: but there'd be really overwhelming experiences where that would seem 699 00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,319 Speaker 1: like it was just sort of robbed from you a 700 00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:57,040 Speaker 1: rational experiences. Again, it's a Pluto. Your mars was hidden 701 00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:59,600 Speaker 1: behind the sun when you were born, so it's the 702 00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:03,040 Speaker 1: under and so there'd be an experience of wanting the 703 00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:05,480 Speaker 1: other to love and nurture you and not have not 704 00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:08,799 Speaker 1: being able to experience that, and you having to be 705 00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:12,920 Speaker 1: the want to learn to unconditionally love you. And then 706 00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:16,160 Speaker 1: you can have any relationship you want because you're not 707 00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:19,640 Speaker 1: magneting somebody who's not going to really give to you, 708 00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:23,279 Speaker 1: and tourists is about receiving. So it's it's part of 709 00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:26,759 Speaker 1: your journey to having learned to truly and receive all 710 00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:30,000 Speaker 1: the love and nourishments that you deserve. Oh my god, 711 00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:33,160 Speaker 1: that is so gorgeous, and I would love to for 712 00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:37,200 Speaker 1: all listening right now, frame it and show you the 713 00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:40,400 Speaker 1: pattern of the work using my chart. It's you know, 714 00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:44,040 Speaker 1: as Leasa was expressing even the piece about like being 715 00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:47,359 Speaker 1: born in a darker period for my child period, something 716 00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:50,839 Speaker 1: I've shared on this show is like recognizing and really 717 00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,000 Speaker 1: devoting the last several years of my life to just 718 00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:56,879 Speaker 1: the deepest level of inner child work possible. And when 719 00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,319 Speaker 1: I was When I spend time with my chart and 720 00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:01,760 Speaker 1: I can kind of zoom out and see that pattern, 721 00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:05,200 Speaker 1: it becomes less of Oh my god, when I was 722 00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:07,400 Speaker 1: a kid, this is how I felt. This is what happened, 723 00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:09,439 Speaker 1: and what's wrong with me and it and it's because 724 00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,399 Speaker 1: I'm not deserving or not this And you're able to see, oh, 725 00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:15,480 Speaker 1: this was my curriculum because I was meant to experience 726 00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:19,240 Speaker 1: that end of the spectrum of human emotion and coming 727 00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,279 Speaker 1: into the reversal of that by bringing it forward into 728 00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:25,799 Speaker 1: light and love. And so you know, I think when 729 00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:27,920 Speaker 1: I was first kind of seeing that in my chart, 730 00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:30,319 Speaker 1: it gave me so much freedom because I'm like, oh, 731 00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,799 Speaker 1: it all makes sense, and it all always was. It 732 00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:38,319 Speaker 1: was always supposed to be exactly what was. And now 733 00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:42,040 Speaker 1: that I've taken that as less of a personal judgment 734 00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:46,319 Speaker 1: of self or an anger about the experience, it's like, oh, 735 00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:49,120 Speaker 1: the surrender, and so what's the gift in it? What 736 00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:52,080 Speaker 1: was I meant to become with that? Why was that 737 00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:55,520 Speaker 1: my curriculum? And how can it inform the highest life 738 00:39:55,560 --> 00:40:00,000 Speaker 1: possible for myself? Um? Wow, you s forge about the 739 00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:03,200 Speaker 1: so well. I mean, it's just beautiful how you explain it? 740 00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:05,480 Speaker 1: Because that is That's it, and that happened for you 741 00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:09,080 Speaker 1: because you're supposed to learn to love yourself so powerfully, 742 00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,520 Speaker 1: you know, And how do you get there without the steps? 743 00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:14,680 Speaker 1: How do you get there in this really rich, inspiring 744 00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:17,920 Speaker 1: way because you are the Leo Rising and you are 745 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:24,360 Speaker 1: I mean, you're so you're you're just you're you're beautiful. Okay, 746 00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:27,720 Speaker 1: let's hold that thought right here. This has been part 747 00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:32,960 Speaker 1: one of the Dropping Gems podcast featuring Lisa Donovan, the 748 00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:36,080 Speaker 1: creator of the pattern. We are talking birth charts. We 749 00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:40,040 Speaker 1: are talking astrology and we will be continuing this gorgeous 750 00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:44,680 Speaker 1: expanse of conversation with a special little detail on who 751 00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:47,960 Speaker 1: I ran a bond with recently that blew my mind 752 00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:52,600 Speaker 1: coming up in part two of this episode. So if 753 00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:55,560 Speaker 1: you are finding this episode and part two is already available, 754 00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:57,759 Speaker 1: just roll right into the next listen and if not, 755 00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:00,400 Speaker 1: part two will be available soon. Thank you for listening, 756 00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:04,239 Speaker 1: big love and I must stay Hey. 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