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Speaker 2: I'm welcome to Steph whan never told you a production

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Speaker 2: of iHeartRadio, And welcome to our one of many Star

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Speaker 2: Wars classics are going to run this month, beginning with

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Speaker 2: our two partner and Princess Leah. To everyone who's listened,

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Speaker 2: you know, I adore her. Carrie Fisher got her honorary

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Speaker 2: Star today because today is May the fourth, as we

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Speaker 2: record it, And you know, I could have It's a

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Speaker 2: joke that I make several times in this, but I

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Speaker 2: and I have had new thoughts since this, So it's

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Speaker 2: one of those things where I just it makes me

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Speaker 2: I think about it. There is this on Princess Leiah

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Speaker 2: in our upcoming book, which you can pre order it

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Speaker 2: stuff you should read books dot com. But I just

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Speaker 2: adore her. I love her so much. I don't know,

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Speaker 2: I'm filled with joy, but so much joy. I hope

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Speaker 2: this classic brings you joy as well, so please please

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Speaker 2: enjoy this classic episode. Hey, this is Annie and Smitha

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Speaker 2: and welcome to stephf Mom've never told you a production

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Speaker 2: of iHeartRadio. I am so excited right now. Yes, my

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Speaker 1: I like this anticipation of what's happening.

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Speaker 2: Yes, because we're finally talking about a hero of mine,

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Speaker 2: Princess Leiah and feminist them.

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Speaker 1: And at this point this is where like Canaan's and

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Speaker 2: I was like, my brain is like the death Star exploding.

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Speaker 1: There you go there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, this is the longest outline I've ever written,

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Speaker 2: so long, it's twenty one pages.

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Speaker 1: I will say partially, I'm going to say it was

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Last night I sent Samantha text and I just

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Speaker 1: Like, oh god, that that was literally the only response

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Speaker 2: It definitely is, which means it's a two parter. So

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Speaker 2: in this one, we're gonna focus on the basics of

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Speaker 2: Star Wars and Princess Leah threw a new hope and

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Speaker 2: Empire strikes back. Yeah, we're pretty much sticking to the

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Speaker 2: fellow podcasters stuff. You should know. They did a whole

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Speaker 1: Drug it's true. I did. I know it's actually no,

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Speaker 2: Now that's a whole it's a whole thing. There's been

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Speaker 2: I think I might Actually I wouldn't die, but it

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Speaker 2: I don't know how I missed it, and a new hope.

436
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Speaker 2: The first one slashed. The fourth one came out on

437
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Speaker 2: May twenty fifth, which is the same day The Winter

438
00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:33,680
Speaker 2: Soldiers true identity as Bucky was revealed in the comics,

439
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,880
Speaker 2: and the day my parents got married, so special day

440
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Speaker 2: and also Holly Holly's birthday.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, super fan experts. She's not superfan, she's a like

442
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Speaker 1: Star Wars expert.

443
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Speaker 2: Oh god. Yeah, we were joking that we need to

444
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Speaker 2: make a chart of like the level of Star Wars fandom,

445
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Speaker 2: she's the top.

446
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Speaker 1: Yes, you're the middle. Yeah, and even like I think

447
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Speaker 1: of my partner who also loves it, I was like, no,

448
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Speaker 1: you don't meet Annie. You're a little lower than her.

449
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:01,639
Speaker 1: And then myself, I was like, I'm at the bottom,

450
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Speaker 1: and I like, well, I can't say I'm at bottom anymore.

451
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Speaker 1: I finally watched it. So now I'm a novice.

452
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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, a novious sub Jedi patawe as they say,

453
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Speaker 2: which I still don't know of them. That's okay, I'll

454
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Speaker 2: do not it is no try so yeah, yeah, that's

455
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:21,440
Speaker 2: that's kind of where we are on our levels of fandom.

456
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Speaker 2: And today I'm so excited to talk about Lea raghana Ak,

457
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Speaker 2: Princess Leah. We are mostly going to focus on the

458
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Speaker 2: original trilogy, because we talked about Leah in the new

459
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Speaker 2: trilogy Slash the Sequels and our feminism of Star Wars episode,

460
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Speaker 2: which I think came out two years ago on May

461
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Speaker 2: the fourth, of course, but we'll touch on that for sure,

462
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Speaker 2: because there are a lot of interesting things and conversations

463
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Speaker 2: we had and as a kid, I totally loved her,

464
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Speaker 2: which was a big deal because I'm kind of ashamed

465
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Speaker 2: to admit this, but usually, like I was fine with

466
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Speaker 2: female characters, but they were never my favorite or I

467
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:56,840
Speaker 2: didn't even necessarily like them, really, And I think that

468
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Speaker 2: might be because female characters aren't written as well off.

469
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Speaker 2: But I loved her and I thought she was so

470
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Speaker 2: funny and smart and brave. And I did love her hair.

471
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Speaker 2: I thought it was awesome she had good hair. She did.

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Speaker 2: And I asked my friend Katie, who I've mentioned she

473
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Speaker 2: was like my Star Wars partner in crime, and I

474
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Speaker 2: asked her what she could remember of Princess Leiah as

475
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Speaker 2: a kid, and she wrote me back. I thought that

476
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Speaker 2: she was beautiful. I loved her white dress. I thought

477
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Speaker 2: she was badass in Return of the Jedi. I loved

478
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Speaker 2: when she was the bounty Hunter. I did think it

479
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 2: was too mean for her. I remember liking her voice

480
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:32,639
Speaker 2: and how precise she was when she said her words.

481
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Speaker 2: I hated the needle scene. A needle scene was very scary. Yes,

482
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Speaker 2: and we have talked before about the importance of costuming

483
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Speaker 2: in our feminism of Star Wars episode, and I do

484
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Speaker 2: think there's something to be said for the fact that

485
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Speaker 2: most of her costumes are functional, but also feminine. Don't worry. Yes,

486
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Speaker 2: we're going to talk about the metal of bikini. Oh

487
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Speaker 2: my god. And I also forgot to mention that in

488
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Speaker 2: the original ending of Return of the Jedi, Hondaes becomes

489
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Speaker 2: starth Vader and ordered the destruction of all the rebellion

490
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Speaker 2: and listeners.

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Speaker 1: Just so you know. She did tell me this during

492
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Speaker 1: the movie viewing.

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Speaker 2: Oh god, I only recently found that out, and I

494
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Speaker 2: blew my mind.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I think there were so many things that you

496
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Speaker 1: were talking about, including the transition for loose outerwear.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think this is the best way to say white

499
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Speaker 1: to great black. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely. So there

500
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Speaker 1: was a lot of conversation that was had between my

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Speaker 1: partner and Annie, and there are so many things that

502
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Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know what is happening, but this

503
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Speaker 1: nerd out is amazing from Afar and also annoying. I

504
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:35,960
Speaker 1: don't know what to do right now. I'm both impressed

505
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Speaker 1: and annoyed.

506
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Speaker 2: We're endearing but annoying. It was so endearing.

507
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Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, I love that they have each

508
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,480
Speaker 1: other to talk about this, but what is happening?

509
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Speaker 2: Well, that's probably all the rest of this episode will go.

510
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Speaker 2: So politics in advance. I did want to talk about

511
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Speaker 2: the cultural impact of Star Wars because this is something

512
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Speaker 2: that's been on my mind since we read Whiskey and

513
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Speaker 2: Ribbons for our book club and there were all these

514
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Speaker 2: Star Wars references in it, and it got me to

515
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 2: thinking what it must be like to be a part

516
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Speaker 2: of something that big, where you could just be reading

517
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Speaker 2: something I never would have imagined there would be multiple

518
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:14,920
Speaker 2: Star Wars references in that book, where a character you

519
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 2: played or story you're part of is just kind of ubiquitous.

520
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:22,879
Speaker 2: And so I actually started making a graph keeping count

521
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Speaker 2: of all the Star Wars references I encounter every day

522
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Speaker 2: where I'm not like, not expecting to find them or

523
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Speaker 2: hear them. And it's between five and ten. Uh, I'm

524
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:33,680
Speaker 2: going to make a chart and I'm going to post

525
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Speaker 2: it is great.

526
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Speaker 1: So I got asked, it is three point thirty today.

527
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Speaker 1: We've been recording since too. How many references thus far

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Speaker 1: before the six Wow?

529
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's amazing. It really is stunning. How many

530
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Speaker 2: It just pops up and I'm like, oh, hey, there

531
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Speaker 2: you go. I think it was dead eye, dead eye

532
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Speaker 2: mind trick. Uh, and is the last one I heard today?

533
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:03,919
Speaker 2: So in case you somehow don't know. Star Wars is

534
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:07,920
Speaker 2: a science fantasy space opera franchise created by George Lucas

535
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Speaker 2: of currently eleven movies, TV shows, books, comics, toys, video games,

536
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Speaker 2: theme parks, dedicated conventions, radio dramas, music parodies, musical parities,

537
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:20,159
Speaker 2: all Lale, weird out, and documentaries. It's been involved in

538
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:24,199
Speaker 2: science politics, pretty much everything that you can imagine, and

539
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:30,879
Speaker 2: inspired a massive fan community. The memes, the memes, art, cosplay,

540
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 2: fan fiction experts have written about Star Wars as an

541
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Speaker 2: American mythology, inspiring people to create their own thing. It's

542
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 2: now owned by Disney and has an estimated net worth

543
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Speaker 2: of seventy billion dollars and holds the Guinness World Record

544
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Speaker 2: for most successful film merchandising franchise. When the original trilogy

545
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Speaker 2: came out, beginning with a New Hope in nineteen seventy

546
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Speaker 2: seven and followed by The Empire Strikes Back in nineteen

547
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Speaker 2: eighty and Returned the Jedi nineteen eighty three, it changed Hollywood.

548
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:06,479
Speaker 2: It revolutionized special effects. I annoyed Samantha with the paper

549
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 2: I wrote in fifth grade all about the special effects

550
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 2: of Star Wars and the Nike shoe that they for

551
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 2: some reason took out a Return of the Jedi.

552
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Speaker 1: She did mention when it was and where it was.

553
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Speaker 2: I was like it was back there, And things like

554
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 2: industrial light and magic still around today came out of

555
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 2: this and sound effect systems that we still use and

556
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 2: for better our worse, because you will find people that

557
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 2: really think this was the end of cinema, the understanding

558
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Speaker 2: that you could make more form of merchandising than the

559
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Speaker 2: films themselves. It also introduced the idea of toy sets

560
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Speaker 2: and collectibles. It was the first blockbuster series. It started

561
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 2: the whole trend of having summer blockbuster releases. It modeled

562
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 2: the trilogy story structure and was the first to contain

563
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Speaker 2: many genres in one movie. The plot twist and the

564
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Speaker 2: Empire Strikes Back as one of the most influential plot

565
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Speaker 2: twists in history, and a New Hope was the first

566
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Speaker 2: to surpass the three hundred million dollar mark adjusted for inflation.

567
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 2: It's still one of the highest grossing movies of all time,

568
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 2: and it revitalized interest in space based entertainment, making way

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Speaker 2: for the Star Trek motion picture series. And one of

570
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Speaker 2: my other faves that Samantha was also very patient with

571
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Speaker 2: me about alien among so many other things. Some comic

572
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 2: experts say the popularity of the Star Wars comic single

573
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 2: handedly saved Marvel. It goes beyond that too. Harry Potter

574
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 2: was influenced by Star Wars so many things. They came

575
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Speaker 2: out during a time when there was all these feelings

576
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Speaker 2: of hopelessness, and the stories of the time reflected that,

577
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 2: the stories that people were watching in movie theaters, but

578
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Speaker 2: not Star Wars right.

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Speaker 1: So again, by the way, these are all Annis research things,

580
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Speaker 1: and I just wanted to be in here for a

581
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Speaker 1: voice because her love for it. There's no way I

582
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Speaker 1: could ever imagine so from findango dot com. In it's

583
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Speaker 1: forty years of existence as an entertainment property, it has

584
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 1: also become a cultural entity unlike any other, a phenomenon

585
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 1: that has probably influenced pop culture more than anything else

586
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 1: in our time. Contributing editor at Wired, Daniel Night Griffiths

587
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 1: wrote in maybe one of a million universes does George

588
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Speaker 1: Luca's combination of narrative structure of a fairy tale with

589
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 1: model making an aesthetic of a downbeat, broken future sci

590
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Speaker 1: fi movies of the seventies even get made In one

591
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Speaker 1: out of ability, it turns out to be the most

592
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Speaker 1: successful independent creative enterprises of all time.

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Speaker 2: I think of that a lot because I know we

594
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Speaker 2: all have heard the stories of the actors coming on

595
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Speaker 2: set and seeing like a walking trash can and thinking out,

596
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Speaker 2: my career is ruined.

597
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 1: But you told us about Harrison Ford trying to leave

598
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Speaker 1: several times and then coming back.

599
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Speaker 2: Well, and it totally influenced the pot of the movies.

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Speaker 2: That's why the Carbonat scene exists. I can see it

601
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 2: like just all of these things had to turn out correctly,

602
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Speaker 2: and amazingly they did, or else it could have been

603
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Speaker 2: a very ridiculous lip like flop. Right.

604
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Speaker 1: And by the way, during the movie, the entirety of

605
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Speaker 1: the time, while Annie was talking about this is what

606
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 1: was happening, this could have been what happened. My partner

607
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 1: was like, this is where they put through gi At

608
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Speaker 1: backwards and they didn't need to do this, and they

609
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Speaker 1: made this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So it was a really interesting context from a parson

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Speaker 1: who's never seen it. Yeah, for them to tell tell

613
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Speaker 1: me how it changed.

614
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's so. We were watching the Disney Plus

615
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 2: version and for people in the no like Star Wars

616
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 2: has been changed so many times, and I actually really,

617
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Speaker 2: really want to see the original cuts without all of

618
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 2: the changes so badly, and I think maybe it'll happen

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Speaker 2: for me. Sirin very excited. Former Wired dot Co UK

620
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Speaker 2: writer Michael Rundle wrote, I'm fascinated by Star Wars because

621
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Speaker 2: of what a world without Star Wars would look like.

622
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Speaker 2: No Star Wars means no lucasfilms are Lucas arts? Would

623
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Speaker 2: there still be a goal in age of video games

624
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 2: without Monkey Island, Full Thottle or Sam and Max. One

625
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 2: of the many incredible things about Star Wars is that

626
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 2: every time you think you've mapped out every aspect of

627
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 2: how different a world without Star Wars would be, you

628
00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 2: think of something else. Fan or not, Star Wars is

629
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Speaker 2: a part of you, and you are a part of it.

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Speaker 2: Like the travels of Odysseus, the ravages of our ancient

631
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 2: meddlesome Gods, the trials of Superman, and the heroic journeys

632
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 2: of Mario, you can't avoid it, right.

633
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Speaker 1: The original trilogy told the classic tale of good versus

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Speaker 1: evil hero's journey, following Luke, Skywalker, Leah Orghana, and Han

635
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Speaker 1: Solo as they fight the Evil Empire. They won numerous awards,

636
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Speaker 1: including Oscars and regularly rank among the top ten movies

637
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 1: of all time across multiple publications and market surveys. Darth

638
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 1: Vader is one of the most memorable villains of all time.

639
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Speaker 1: I think it also has something to do with James

640
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 1: Earld Jones, oh, absolutely for sure. And Luke Skywalker is

641
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 1: so iconic that he's often used to teach the hero's

642
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 1: journey in school and is used in child's psychotherapy to

643
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Speaker 1: make things understandable between both child and therapists, framing the

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Speaker 1: Force as self healing and the child as Luke and

645
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Speaker 1: themselves as obi Wan, which is a really big assumption.

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Speaker 2: It's supposed to you like, one day you won't need

647
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Speaker 2: me anymore, right, and you'll be able to do this

648
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Speaker 2: with the Force on your own.

649
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Speaker 1: I don't.

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Speaker 2: I'm that's true. Okay, Well, we have a lot more

651
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Speaker 2: to go over, oh my gosh, but first we're gonna

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Speaker 2: pause for a quick break for word from our sponsor,

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Speaker 2: and we're back, Thank you, sponsor. So just a broad

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Speaker 2: overview of some culture things you've got when it comes

655
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Speaker 2: to Star Wars, You've got sayings known worldwide, even if

656
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Speaker 2: people don't know where they'd come from, like Jedi mind trick,

657
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Speaker 2: You're my only hope. May the Force be with you.

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Speaker 2: I am y'all follow the evil Empire and then you've

659
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Speaker 2: got the holidays. May the Fourth be with you. In

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Speaker 2: Revenge of the Fifth, which.

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Speaker 1: By the way, we watched four May the.

662
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Speaker 2: Fourth, Yes we did. It's a celebration.

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Speaker 1: It was a celebration for some. And in two thousand

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Speaker 1: and one UK survey all almost four hundred thousand people

665
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 1: wrote in Jedi as their religion, making it the fourth

666
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Speaker 1: largest religion. Oh wow, there's a church of Jediism. And

667
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:13,360
Speaker 1: in Texas there's a registered Church of Jediism, which, by

668
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Speaker 1: the way, are you part of that?

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Speaker 2: No, I don't know if there's like a test second,

670
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 2: just check it, Samantha. And then songs I always think

671
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 2: of for me Run the Jewels, Skywalker talk because I'm

672
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 2: the real Darth Vader. I think that's from Banana Clipper,

673
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:31,839
Speaker 2: Banana Clip, Mu Tan Klan, Kanye West, BC Boys, quin

674
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 2: A Two, Justin Bieber, the Nerve Herders, which is a

675
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:38,320
Speaker 2: band named after the Star Wars Insult and they played

676
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:41,360
Speaker 2: the theme song for Buffy the Vampire Slayer. So you

677
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,320
Speaker 2: got all these like musical references too, and the music

678
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 2: itself from the movie is amazing and iconic. Many view

679
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 2: it as one of the best movie scores of all time.

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Speaker 1: I think we try to plot away to get that

681
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 1: Darth Vader slash uh death stars somehow. That's like, like,

682
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Speaker 1: you know this is going to happen. Someone's going to

683
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Speaker 1: die soon. Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I'm actually a member of the John Williams Span Club

685
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 2: and I have been since fifth grade.

686
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Speaker 1: That makes sense, Yeah, it does, I know so. It

687
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 1: obviously also influenced art. Banksy has used Star Wars energy

688
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:15,439
Speaker 1: in his own art. Other movies have it replicated Star

689
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 1: Wars posters like National Lampoon's Vacation and European Vacation.

690
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 2: And in sports, Major League Baseball gets in on May

691
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:24,839
Speaker 2: the Four celebrations, encouraging costumes and themed to giveaways. I've

692
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 2: definitely been to those. The Yankees are known as the

693
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:29,880
Speaker 2: Evil Empire during this and they play the Imperial March

694
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Speaker 2: at their home games.

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Speaker 1: And then as you say that, I can hear the

696
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Speaker 1: song in my head even though I've not watched the movie.

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Speaker 2: But once it's catchup.

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Speaker 1: Also in politics, so the same year, Return of the

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00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:43,919
Speaker 1: Jedi came out in nineteen eighty three, Star Wars got

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Speaker 1: wrapped up in Reagan's Strategic Defense Initiative, which was a

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Speaker 1: system of ground in space based lasers and missiles meant

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Speaker 1: to protect against a nuclear attack. Critics called it Star Wars,

703
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 1: which Reagan, of course leaned into. Reagan also called the

704
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Speaker 1: USSR the Evil Empire, and at one point the US

705
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 1: military had an idea to create a First Earth battalion

706
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 1: made up of folks who could walk through walls, be invisible,

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Speaker 1: see the future, and kill goats with a look, and

708
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 1: they were called Jedi Warriors. I definitely couldn't let go

709
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Speaker 1: of the fact that every single bad guy had an

710
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Speaker 1: odd Russian accent.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it's funny too, because I love that Carrie

712
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 2: Fisher was able to joke about this herself later. But

713
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Speaker 2: Leah has kind of a strange English accent in a

714
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Speaker 2: New Hope that goes Away. And yeah, even a few

715
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Speaker 2: weeks ago this happened when Trump's campaign manager compared Trump's

716
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Speaker 2: campaign to the Dead Stars, seemingly not realizing that one,

717
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 2: the Death Star is bad and it's for the bad guys,

718
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:52,399
Speaker 2: and two it always gets destroyed. He got a very

719
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:56,399
Speaker 2: big Star Wars schooling from the Internet for that, and

720
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 2: a New Hope and the Empire Strikes Backup been added

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Speaker 2: to the Nash Film Registry by the Library of Congress

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00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 2: for being quote culturally historically, are esthetically significant right just

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Speaker 2: their own.

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Speaker 1: Like beginning montage with the writing the script uh huh,

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Speaker 1: you know what that is?

726
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 2: And science. Star Wars has played a role in actual science.

727
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 2: For instance, when Will I Am and Correspondence appeared on

728
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:25,240
Speaker 2: CNN as holograms, one of the correspondents said, it feels

729
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:28,400
Speaker 2: like I follow in the tradition of Princess Leia. Bionic

730
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Speaker 2: arms like those sported by Luke Skywalker and Darth Vader.

731
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Speaker 2: Some of them are named after Luke Skywalker. A company

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Speaker 2: out of Hong Kong made a pretty spot on lightsaber

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Speaker 2: the military is working on at eight like machines, which

734
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Speaker 2: are the big snow creature things that they knock over

735
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Speaker 2: with their harpoons.

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Speaker 1: Those are yeah, I just call them the monster things.

737
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Speaker 2: I got you, I Got you, Samantha. And then there's

738
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Speaker 2: a death star bug zapper.

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Speaker 1: Right in the popular Smithsony. In nineteen ninety nine, Star

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Speaker 1: Wars exhibit star Wars The Magic of Myth lives online

741
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Speaker 1: and the Millennium Falcon was the inspiration by the name

742
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 1: of Elon Musk's Falcon series launch vehicles, which yes, you

743
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 1: could absolutely see that in Oh yeah, and several organisms

744
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 1: have been named after Star Wars terms and characters.

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Speaker 2: So okay, it's a big deal, is what we're trying

746
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 2: to say, mostly me and Samantha supporting me. It's not

747
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,799
Speaker 2: without its faults, obviously, there's hardly any people of color

748
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Speaker 2: La It's pretty much the only woman in the regionals

749
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Speaker 2: and that isn't much better in the prequels sexualization. There's

750
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Speaker 2: definitely toxic fandom. I think it might be one of

751
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 2: the most toxic fandoms, and we've talked about that before

752
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:41,840
Speaker 2: specifically now and a lot of mostly men, feel that

753
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 2: the new ones are made by social justice warriors with

754
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 2: the social justice warrior agenda. Some cinophiles do feel like

755
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 2: it ruined cinema forever because we pivoted away from what

756
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 2: in their mind is artistic films to movies that make

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00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 2: a lot of money for children. But in a lot

758
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 2: of ways it connected with so so many of us

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Speaker 2: and for a lot of girls and women. Princess Leah

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Speaker 2: specifically was a feminist icon, and we'll get into that

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Speaker 2: after your quick break for word from our sponsor, and

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Speaker 2: we're back. Thank you, sponsor. So let's finally arrive at

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Speaker 2: Princess Leah, and thank you for letting me indulge in

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Speaker 2: my Star Wars fandom and continue. Because just like you

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Speaker 2: can't separate out the influence of Star Wars from our culture,

766
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Speaker 2: you really cannot separate the enormous influence of Princess Leah

767
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Speaker 2: on our culture and the influence she had on countless

768
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Speaker 2: other fictional characters, from Ellen Ripley to Hermione Granger to

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Speaker 2: catmus Everdeen, so many so general sketch of her. Leah

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Speaker 2: Organa is the princess of the planet all Ron, a

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Speaker 2: member of the Imperial Senate, and the leader of the

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Speaker 2: Rebel Alliance. This is all by the time she's nineteen.

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Speaker 2: Just fyi. According to George Lucas, she also has the

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Speaker 2: Star Wars equivalent of a PhD uh huh. Through the series,

775
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Speaker 2: we learned that she is a twin sister of Luke

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Speaker 2: Skywalker and daughter of Darth Vader. She was raised by

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Speaker 2: Senator Bail Organa and Queen Braha Organa. She goes on

778
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 2: in the new trilogy to found the Resistance as a

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Speaker 2: general against the first order, she was played by Carrie Fisher,

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Speaker 2: and the character has appeared in many books, comics, television shows, games,

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Speaker 2: and she has gone on to become iconic the Cinmon

782
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Speaker 2: bun hair style, which George Lucas attributes to a hairstyle

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Speaker 2: of female Mexican revolutionaries of the metal bikini, and has

784
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Speaker 2: been adopted by many as a feminist icon. She's been parodied, celebrated,

785
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 2: and appeared on stamps in the US and the UK,

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Speaker 2: and she's appeared on all sorts of merchandise in all

787
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Speaker 2: sorts of merchandizing. After Disney acquired Star Wars, they had

788
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Speaker 2: to backtrack a statement that there were no plans for

789
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:10,360
Speaker 2: Princess Leah merchandise after it caused so much backlash, so

790
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 2: much backlash, there's still not as much as there should be.

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Speaker 2: But Carrie Fisher allegedly was told she had to lose

792
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Speaker 2: ten pounds for the role, which is gross and totally

793
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:23,240
Speaker 2: still happens. For the new series, she was reportedly pressured

794
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 2: to lose thirty five pounds. I've been told something like

795
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Speaker 2: this more than once, so this is still absolutely a thing.

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Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely ageism and then of course weight in all

797
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:37,800
Speaker 1: of those things and race, and Fisher has spoke openly

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Speaker 1: about how she regrets signing away her likeness, which wasn't

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Speaker 1: really a thing at the time. She told the Daily

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Speaker 1: Base there's no merchandising tied to movies. No one could

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Speaker 1: have known the extent of the franchise. Not that I

802
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 1: don't think I'm cute or anything, but when I look

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Speaker 1: in the mirror, I didn't think I was signing away

804
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Speaker 1: anything of value. Lately, I feel like I mini mouth.

805
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 1: The identity of Princess Leah so eclipsed any other identity

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Speaker 1: that I've ever had.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I could see that.

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00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, that sounds like she lost a lot of money.

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00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 2: Oh yeah. She even said like she's kind of very

810
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:14,319
Speaker 2: I don't know if good natured, but you know, she's

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Speaker 2: got her classic funny view on it. But she said,

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00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 2: she said, if she found out that Dadley Portman was

813
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 2: making merchandising, she'd be really mad. For Queen Amidala. Lea's

814
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 2: part diplomat, spy, soldier leader. She's passionate, She's caring, brash, loud, strong, defiant, assertive, angry, snarky,

815
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Speaker 2: not afraid to speak her mind and fight for what's right.

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00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 2: She first appeared as Yeah, a nineteen year old in

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Speaker 2: a New Hope in a virginal floor length dress that's

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00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:46,839
Speaker 2: accent of cleavage, although Fisher recounted George Lucas telling her

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Speaker 2: not to wear a bra with it because quote, there

820
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 2: is no underwear in space, because your body expands, but

821
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 2: your bra does not, and it would strangle you. So

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Speaker 2: Fisher used to joke she wanted it reported that. However,

823
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Speaker 2: she died, it should be reported I drowned in moonlight,

824
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 2: strangled by my own brawl, and that was a very

825
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 2: popular tweet after she did die. It's immediately established that

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Speaker 2: Princess Leah is not going to shy away from a blaster,

827
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Speaker 2: and later we find out that her actions at the

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Speaker 2: beginning of the movie saved the entire rebellion. This the

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Speaker 2: only force that was opposing the empire. She is captured

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Speaker 2: by the intimidating Darth Vader, but stands up to him

831
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Speaker 2: and withstands. His torture doesn't reveal anything, so she is damseled,

832
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 2: but she's still fighting, and she's still making these snarky comments,

833
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:36,880
Speaker 2: and when she is rescued, she pretty quickly takes charge.

834
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Speaker 2: She literally takes the blaster from Luke's hands and comes

835
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Speaker 2: up with a plan to get them out, jumping into

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Speaker 2: a smelly, disgusting garbage disposal, which is hardly a traditional

837
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Speaker 2: princess decision. She also immediately sees through Luke and the

838
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 2: Stormtrooper get up. When he says he's here to rescue you,

839
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Speaker 2: She's like, Nah, is very unimpressed with him, and they're

840
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 2: poorly thought escape plan. And I do love thinking about

841
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:05,720
Speaker 2: like Luke, who's bringing is full of adventures, envisions himself

842
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 2: as the hero coming to save the beautiful princess. He

843
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 2: says he's here to rescue her, and she's like, excuse me,

844
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 2: you're who now, kind of immediately shutting him down. And

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Speaker 2: I also love that her leadership in general isn't questioned

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00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 2: as a woman. Like it's never like, oh, we shouldn't

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00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:24,439
Speaker 2: listen to her because she's a woman. It's more Han

848
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 2: being like, I don't listen to anybody, right.

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Speaker 1: I do like the back and forth with Han and

850
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:32,800
Speaker 1: the Han being like, what's happening? Who are you? What's happening?

851
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 1: So before that happens, her planet is destroyed by the

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00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 1: death Star to make a statement, and I was like,

853
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 1: oh my god, they blew up a planet. What just happened?

854
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:45,760
Speaker 1: And in an instant she loses her family, her friends,

855
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 1: her stuff, her home and this could have destroyed her,

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00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:50,360
Speaker 1: but it didn't.

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00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:54,320
Speaker 2: Alyssa Rosenberg at The Washington Post wrote about her, Leah's

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00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 2: nerves as a revolutionary are clear from the moment she

859
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 2: arrives on the screen. She takes shots at the stormtroopers

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Speaker 2: boarding her shit, gets stunned with a blaster in her hand,

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00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 2: then has the audacity to try to make Darth Vader

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00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 2: feel ashamed of himself. She has enough energy left over

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00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 2: after a nasty session of torture to insult Grandmoth Tarkin.

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Speaker 2: And while she grieves when her home planet Aldorant is

865
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Speaker 2: destroyed by the Death Star, Lea's not paralyzed when her

866
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 2: unexpected rescuers show up. She's ready to go and to

867
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:22,799
Speaker 2: gripe about their operational sloppiness, and then she went on

868
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:25,880
Speaker 2: to right. Leiah wasn't just the first great heroine of

869
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 2: science fiction and fantasy to capture my imagination. She was

870
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 2: one of the first characters I encountered whose power came

871
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 2: from her political conviction and acumen. So when Han, Cherry

872
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 2: and Luke do arrive to rescue her. She pretty much

873
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 2: instantly asserts her authority, and this leads to conflict between

874
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:47,240
Speaker 2: her and Han Solo, who isn't used to having someone

875
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:49,279
Speaker 2: tell him what to do. He calls her sweetheart, but

876
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:52,319
Speaker 2: Lea's totally impervious to his attempts to take control. She

877
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:55,319
Speaker 2: also proves she's got more savvy and less bravado than

878
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:58,479
Speaker 2: Han after they escape, and she surmises they're being tracked

879
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 2: by the Empire, who let them go. Hans like, no,

880
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:03,880
Speaker 2: not this ship. Never, he's too cocky to admit it.

881
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:08,720
Speaker 2: She's right, he's wrong. Despite the tragedy she's gone through,

882
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:14,959
Speaker 2: she assumes leadership in rebellion. And also, look, Luke is mccrush.

883
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 2: I know he's had a rough time. Leah comforts him

884
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 2: after obi Wan dies, but Lea just lost her whole

885
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 2: planet and she knew obi Wan too, by the way,

886
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 2: and we never get to see her grieve. And Okay,

887
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 2: I know people like to fight about this because I

888
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 2: said it on another show, and man that she grieved

889
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 2: off screen. And Luke did lose his guardians, which was

890
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 2: very sad and traumatic. I agree, but it.

891
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 1: Was also very quickly passed by. Yeah, wait, that was it?

892
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 2: Yeah. He kind of just is like, well, I'm leaving now,

893
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 2: and I don't judge people for how they grieve. That's

894
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:54,399
Speaker 2: totally cool. I'm just saying, uh, you know, we don't

895
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 2: get to see her grieve because I guess it's not

896
00:47:57,239 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 2: technically her story. It's explored some of the in the

897
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:02,319
Speaker 2: Extended Universe legends.

898
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 1: I will say about the movie, she takes everything.

899
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 2: With like okay and yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

900
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:11,399
Speaker 1: Let me keep going like that was like very much

901
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:14,360
Speaker 1: like that. Seems like she should be a pause of

902
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 1: some sort.

903
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:17,719
Speaker 2: Well, we'll talk about that more in a minute. Well, now,

904
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 2: we'll talk about that more in part two. Because a

905
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:22,800
Speaker 2: lot of people gripe about the return of the Jedi reveal.

906
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 2: I see her as someone who takes things in stride right,

907
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:29,799
Speaker 2: But anyway, also of the character's lay perhaps has the

908
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 2: least of an arc, and a part of that is

909
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 2: she is the most sure of in herself and her

910
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:37,920
Speaker 2: calling when we're introduced to her. Her biggest thing is

911
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 2: learning to accept that she has needs and wants on

912
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 2: a personal level and embracing those things. Han and Luke

913
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 2: have a lot of growing up to do, and Leah

914
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:48,239
Speaker 2: is instrumental in that. For both of them. Even at

915
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:50,320
Speaker 2: the heart of it, she influences Luke and Han to

916
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:53,439
Speaker 2: become a part of the rebellion. She's already a hero

917
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:56,799
Speaker 2: when we meet her, and she influences them to become

918
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:59,719
Speaker 2: heroes too. She does often serve as a support to

919
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 2: luke story into Han's story, and in the first two

920
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:06,879
Speaker 2: is the potential romantic interest for both of them. She's

921
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 2: more developed and interesting a character than perhaps her traditional

922
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 2: love interest, but there is still an element of that.

923
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:21,240
Speaker 2: All right, So New Hope Ends, Big Explosion, Death Star, Happy,

924
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 2: pure are your metals. Then we move on to The

925
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 2: Empire Strikes Back, in which Leah is a prominent leader

926
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:30,879
Speaker 2: of the rebellion who stays behind to the very last

927
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:33,799
Speaker 2: second to make sure everyone is safely evacuated off of

928
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 2: the snow planet hof. We see her relationship with Han,

929
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:41,919
Speaker 2: and in today's context, it's a little cringey, just because

930
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:44,240
Speaker 2: he's so pushy and doesn't take no for an answer.

931
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 2: I definitely want to return to the whole nice men

932
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 2: scoundrel trope that plays out here, and it is kind

933
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 2: of funny that she's trying to manage all of the

934
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:59,880
Speaker 2: stafffull of this evacuation and Han is just trying to

935
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:02,880
Speaker 2: her to admit that she cares about him, and I

936
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:06,279
Speaker 2: know the stakes are high because he's basically trying to

937
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:09,279
Speaker 2: get her to admit he wants him to say, or

938
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 2: he's gonna leave. But anyway, there's a definite unthawed the

939
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 2: ice queen vibe too, and Lando is pretty flirty with her.

940
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 2: Although Orlando is the typho flirts with everyone. My friend

941
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 2: and I have an ongoing argument about whether or not

942
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:26,840
Speaker 2: he had sex with the Millennium Falcon. Weigh in on

943
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:29,440
Speaker 2: that if you would like or don't, I'm.

944
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 1: Just gonna say that's the first thing she saw said

945
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 1: when he arrived, and I was like, I don't know

946
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 1: what's happening, but what.

947
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 2: We had like an hour fluslong argument about it. Oh,

948
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:42,319
Speaker 2: and Lando's also trying to make sure they don't get

949
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 2: win that Vader's there, so he's trying to endear himself

950
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 2: to them. But we do see another instance of a

951
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:50,640
Speaker 2: woman sensing that something is wrong and being dismissed when

952
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:56,840
Speaker 2: Leah voices her concerns about Lando's trustworthiness. Han Lean and

953
00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 2: Chewey are captured and tortured by Darth Vader. That you

954
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 2: only really see Han's torture and I guess tobacco with

955
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:03,399
Speaker 2: the loud sound thing.

956
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 1: Wait in the gold dude, oh gold Man.

957
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 2: Gold Man gets blasted apart.

958
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was like, what did no one notice that

959
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:15,959
Speaker 1: Chewbacca did? He did? He did, he came, and Lea

960
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:16,319
Speaker 1: did too.

961
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 2: Han was the one that was like, ah, and then

962
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 2: we have the famous I love you, I know exchange.

963
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:25,880
Speaker 2: So there are so many ways to interpret this, but

964
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:28,759
Speaker 2: one is that in the face of Hans's death, she

965
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 2: admits something she knew she'd made him doubt, that she

966
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 2: loves him, and he acknowledges his understanding of her fear

967
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:38,800
Speaker 2: of intimacy and accepts it as a kid. I always

968
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:41,840
Speaker 2: saw it as Hans Solo's too afraid to say it

969
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:44,920
Speaker 2: in front of all these soldiers and Darth Vader. But

970
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:50,799
Speaker 2: you know, multiple ways to interpret those those lines. Some

971
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:53,360
Speaker 2: people take issue with the fact that Han asked Chewie

972
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:55,400
Speaker 2: to take care of her when clearly she can do

973
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 2: it herself, while others see those words is meant to

974
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 2: comfort Chewy, to give him something to you, to calm

975
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 2: him down. When Lando frees them, Leah takes charge of

976
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 2: the ultimately failed attempt to save Han and does save

977
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 2: Luke after sensing his call for help, and we do

978
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 2: you get to see Pilot the Millennium falcking, which is cool.

979
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:19,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it was very cool. I think I'm not

980
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:21,280
Speaker 1: gonna lie. I was very confused about what was happening,

981
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:23,360
Speaker 1: and you made sure to let me know that. This

982
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:25,919
Speaker 1: is where Harrison for said I'm not coming back. Yeah,

983
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:28,719
Speaker 1: so they had to have a possibility of just ending

984
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 1: him or allowing him to come back.

985
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 2: Well, the only reason he came back to return the

986
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:36,279
Speaker 2: Jedi was he was supposed to be killed off and

987
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:37,279
Speaker 2: then they didn't do it.

988
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:42,919
Speaker 1: There you go. Yeah, yeah, so I'm going to heard

989
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 1: it here with the end of part one. Yes, our heroes,

990
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:49,600
Speaker 1: your heroes, the heroes, how about that are battered and

991
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 1: separated in part two? Yes, y'all after an hour of

992
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 1: this lengthy discussion, there is a part too, and it's

993
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:01,960
Speaker 1: about the return of the Jedi and the infamous metal bikini,

994
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:04,239
Speaker 1: which is the one scene that I know, and the

995
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 1: feminism of Princess Leiah and of the Fourth in general.

996
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:10,880
Speaker 2: Yes, so we'll leave you on a cliffhanger, just like

997
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:13,920
Speaker 2: those lucky viewers that got to see Empire shikes. Back

998
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:15,760
Speaker 2: and didn't know what happened. Then Return of the Jedi,

999
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:20,960
Speaker 2: so look out for that episode in the meantime. If

1000
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 2: you want to email as you can, Our email is

1001
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:26,960
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Speaker 2: also find us on Instagram at Stuff I Never Told

1003
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1004
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1005
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