1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,480 Speaker 1: Hey everybody. Before we get started, we have a couple 2 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:08,080 Speaker 1: of live shows to announce. First April, we will be 3 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:12,120 Speaker 1: at Universal Fan Con in Baltimore, Maryland. Our exact schedule 4 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:13,680 Speaker 1: for that show is still in the works, but this 5 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:16,800 Speaker 1: will include a live show, and our listeners can get 6 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:20,760 Speaker 1: discounted tickets using the offer code History. And for all 7 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:22,439 Speaker 1: the folks who have asked us to do a show 8 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:25,120 Speaker 1: in the Boston area, of which there have been many, 9 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 1: we are finally on the way with the show in 10 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 1: Quincy at Adams National Historical Park on Sunday, July eight 11 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 1: at two pm. That one is an outdoor show. It 12 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:37,919 Speaker 1: will happen rain or shine. And we also have more 13 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 1: appearances that will be announcing soon, as well as more 14 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:43,519 Speaker 1: details about both of these shows, and we will put 15 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 1: that all at our website also at miss in history 16 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 1: dot com. Welcome to steph you missed in history class 17 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 1: from how Stuff Works dot com. Hello, and welcome to 18 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:04,040 Speaker 1: a podcast. I'm Holly Frying and I'm Tracy V. Wilson. Tracy, 19 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 1: you want to talk about food a little bit? I 20 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 1: love to talk about food. Uh, this isn't so much 21 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:11,680 Speaker 1: about food as it is about the people that make food. 22 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 1: We will talk about some food along the way today. 23 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 1: No secret, there's a whole entire industry around celebrity chefs, 24 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 1: and often they'll start on TV, but then they tend 25 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 1: to branch out. So today there are so many chefs 26 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 1: with branded cookwer lines and food lines and endorsement deals, 27 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:31,680 Speaker 1: and you know, their restaurants are well known throughout the 28 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 1: world and people go to see them and their faces 29 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 1: on the outside sometimes. Yeah, like being a celebrity chef 30 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 1: is a thing now, But the first celebrity chef, it 31 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:45,760 Speaker 1: might surprise you to learn, was around long before uh 32 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 1: Farnsworth ever conceived of the television which launches most celebrity 33 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 1: chefs today. And to find said chef, we actually have 34 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 1: to take a peek all the way back at late 35 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 1: eighteenth century France and the life of Marie Antoine Kedem. 36 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 1: Eight century France is the source of so many trends. 37 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 1: It is, and I will confess it's one of the 38 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 1: areas of history that I love. So that's why you're 39 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 1: getting it today. Well, and it's it's incredibly incredibly possible 40 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 1: that there were also famous chefs in other parts of 41 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:16,800 Speaker 1: the world, but this was the one that like to 42 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 1: get to a whole other level. Yeah, certainly in the 43 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 1: Western world. This is definitely the first celebrity chef. So 44 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 1: we are talking about Marie Antoine Korem, who was born 45 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 1: in a slum in Paris on June. His family was 46 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 1: massive and it was also destitute. He was the sixteenth 47 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 1: child in the family and was named after Marie Antoinette. 48 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 1: This is a little bit of a weird choice for 49 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 1: a baby name at this point. Marie Antoinette was not 50 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 1: beloved by this time, but the reasoning for why his 51 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:53,639 Speaker 1: parents decided to name him after her is not clear. 52 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 1: What is clear as that soon after he was born 53 00:02:56,600 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 1: he was being called by antonin instead of Marie Antoine, 54 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:04,079 Speaker 1: and then throughout his life he would shift among various 55 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:09,239 Speaker 1: uh combinations of his name. Yeah. One point, like there 56 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 1: are instances where he's referred to as Mark Antoine even um, 57 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 1: the name Antoine gets moved around a little bit. And 58 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:19,800 Speaker 1: because he was born to a very poor family at 59 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 1: a time when France was deeply unstable, it wasn't long 60 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 1: before Antonine was abandoned and it's unclear exactly why, but 61 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:31,640 Speaker 1: this is Krems account of his abandonment, as dictated to 62 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 1: his Secretary Frederic Fayo quote, his father, with fifteen children, 63 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 1: was a prey to a very painful poverty. This man 64 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 1: was frequently intoxicated, perhaps out of disgust with life, and 65 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 1: his irregularities of conduct increased the misery and sorrows of 66 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 1: those whom he had to feed. One day, when he 67 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 1: returned before dinner, he took his young son with him. 68 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 1: They went to the fields. After the walk, they returned 69 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 1: to dinner at the main barrier, that's the gates of France. 70 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 1: When the meal was over, the father spoke of the 71 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 1: future to the poor child and urged him to part 72 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 1: with his family. Quote, go child, go well in the world. 73 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 1: There are good trades. Let us languish. Misery is our lot. 74 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 1: We must die there. This time is that of beautiful fortunes. 75 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:19,720 Speaker 1: It is enough to have wit to make one, and 76 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:23,039 Speaker 1: you have it. Go, little one, and perhaps this evening 77 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:26,479 Speaker 1: or tomorrow some good house will open for you. Go 78 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 1: with what God has given you. These words, which are 79 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 1: almost remarkable in the mouth of this simple workman, always 80 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:36,679 Speaker 1: resounded in the ears of Kadam. Forty years after having 81 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 1: heard them, he still had before his eyes the bitter 82 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 1: face of his father the young Karim was left in 83 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 1: the street. Literally, he did not see his parents again. 84 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:49,039 Speaker 1: His father and his mother died young, his brothers and 85 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:55,279 Speaker 1: sisters were scattered. Uh. Is almost like he is leaving 86 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 1: a dog in the woods and claiming that he has 87 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:02,720 Speaker 1: set it free. Very much so. Uh. And at this 88 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:06,040 Speaker 1: time there was a lot of street violence in Paris 89 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:09,479 Speaker 1: and children were not immune to it. So this seems 90 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 1: just bizarrely optimistic in this idea that he's just going 91 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 1: to go and immediately find a good place. He Yeah, 92 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:20,160 Speaker 1: and we'll talk about this story and just a second, uh, 93 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 1: because according to Kadam, he was offered a bit of 94 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 1: good fortune when he was taken in almost immediately by 95 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 1: a cook who let him do menial tasks around the 96 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:32,480 Speaker 1: kitchen and home in exchange for room and board. And 97 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:35,600 Speaker 1: we honestly don't know if this or that story about 98 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:39,599 Speaker 1: his father is entirely true. These are Krems stories of 99 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 1: his own life, and each of them became part of 100 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 1: his mystique and was told by him and then his 101 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 1: students and his clients for years and years. He did 102 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 1: have a kitchen apprenticeship as as a boy that started 103 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:56,600 Speaker 1: sometime in sevente and At this point, France was having 104 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 1: sort of an identity crisis in terms of its cuisine, 105 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 1: which was running parallel with the French Revolution. So the 106 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 1: sentiment towards the Royals became increasingly negative, and there was 107 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 1: this impulse in a lot of professional kitchen kitchens to 108 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:15,159 Speaker 1: really get away from the rich, indulgent food that was 109 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:19,279 Speaker 1: associated with the royalty into a lot simpler, fair, but 110 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:23,720 Speaker 1: simultaneously fine food was a big part of French identity, 111 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 1: and there were other cooks who were not willing to 112 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 1: give that up, nor were they willing to give up 113 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 1: the delicious food that they personally left eat just because 114 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 1: they were fed up with royalty. Yeah, and you have 115 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:38,920 Speaker 1: to trace some of this back to Louis the fourteenth, 116 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:41,479 Speaker 1: who had made kind of a conscious decision that what 117 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 1: France was going to be known for was luxury and 118 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 1: the finest of everything. So this is something that had 119 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 1: been ingrained already and had been established and then to go, no, no, 120 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 1: we hate the Royals now and we don't want to 121 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 1: include luxury in our cooking in this way. Uh was 122 00:06:57,320 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 1: a big sea change to try to enact, and of 123 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 1: course it was a little bit controversial, and I want 124 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 1: to put food culture of this period in a little 125 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 1: bit more context. So cafes at this time literally meaning 126 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 1: like where you would go to get drinks, had been 127 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 1: common in Paris throughout the eighteenth century, but it wasn't 128 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 1: until the late seventeen hundreds that restaurants in the sense 129 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 1: that we think of them now popped up. So starting 130 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 1: in the seventeen sixties there were places to gets de hong. 131 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 1: Those were soups h The word restaurant came from the 132 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 1: route cristaua, which means to restore, and these soups were 133 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 1: believed to be almost medicinal in nature, intended to restore 134 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 1: the body's vigor. And from there that concept evolved so 135 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 1: that the soup served began to be seen less as 136 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 1: a curative and more as a food and something to 137 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 1: just be enjoyed. And so too did the word restaurant 138 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 1: evolve to become the place and not just the soups, 139 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 1: and then of course to include other menu offerings. As 140 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 1: a devotee of soups, I am behind this. Well, you 141 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 1: would have loved Careen because he was obsessed with soups, 142 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 1: and his soup recipes are the stuff of legend. So 143 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 1: in the context of the politics of the day, the 144 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 1: so called restaurants soups were considered health food of a sort, 145 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 1: they were associated with the common man, and then cuisine 146 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 1: par x and lance, which were the decadent, the decadent 147 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 1: dishes that wealthy people favored that was considered to be 148 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 1: unwholesome and intended to encourage gluttony. So there was this 149 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 1: whole morality element in play and denouncing the rich foods 150 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 1: that the aristocracy favored. I think this still exists today, yeah, 151 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 1: for sure. Uh. And in seventeen eighty two, just before 152 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 1: Krem was born, the book Histoire de la vie prive 153 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 1: de France, which was a history of French private life, 154 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:57,720 Speaker 1: was published by Pierre Jean Baptiste Le Grand doc and 155 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:01,079 Speaker 1: it was not about general life, as the title might suggest, 156 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:04,680 Speaker 1: but about food, although it was originally intended to have 157 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 1: a broader scope, but apparently he became so obsessed with 158 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 1: the food portion of his writing and research that that 159 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 1: took up the whole volume. But what this really indicated 160 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 1: was that despite this contest of ideas that was going 161 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 1: on as to what direction French cooking should go, there 162 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 1: was clearly a sense of French cuisine as being worthy 163 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 1: of examination and of historical documentation. Ideas like new velle 164 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 1: cuisine literally new cooking, and the idea that cooks should 165 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 1: be inventing new recipes to please people's palates had been 166 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 1: around since at least the seventeen thirties, as France was 167 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 1: trying to seek an identity in the kitchen and at 168 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 1: the table, and the concept of cooking as an art 169 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 1: was also beginning to take take shape but wasn't yet 170 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 1: fully formed. Uh yeah, I was reading an interesting piece 171 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 1: that mentioned that it was interesting that cooking emerged as 172 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 1: an art, but other trades that required equal levels of 173 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 1: skill in consideration didn't ever quite get to that level. 174 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:06,680 Speaker 1: But as France moved into the nineteenth century, many of 175 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 1: the cooks who had worked in the homes of of 176 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 1: the upper class suddenly found themselves without work as the 177 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:15,840 Speaker 1: aristocracy fled in the wake of the French Revolution, and 178 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:18,719 Speaker 1: those cooks often set themselves up as chefs in their 179 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 1: own restaurants in order to make a living. A word 180 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:26,679 Speaker 1: on the words cook versus chef at the time, so 181 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:30,560 Speaker 1: today the words chef implies a certain level of formal training, 182 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 1: and a lot of times it indicates a management position 183 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:38,439 Speaker 1: within the kitchen, and there are subdivisions below an executive 184 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 1: chef in a modern kitchen, and they follow this established 185 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:48,320 Speaker 1: hierarchical system known as the brigade the cuisine. But the 186 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 1: word chef, which literally means head or chief, wasn't codified 187 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 1: as a cooking related term in the eighteenth century. It 188 00:10:56,640 --> 00:10:59,319 Speaker 1: actually wasn't used in the chef de cuisine since until 189 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:02,960 Speaker 1: eighteen twenty six, according to Miriam Webster. So when we 190 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 1: dip back and forth between chef and cook, and speaking 191 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 1: of these people who worked as servants in the homes 192 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 1: of the wealthy and then set up their own shops, 193 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 1: we're really using it more in the chief sense rather 194 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 1: than in the formal training of food prep sense. And 195 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:20,319 Speaker 1: most people learned the trade of preparing meals informally through 196 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:23,200 Speaker 1: an apprenticeship. At this point, there was not uh an 197 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 1: instance where there were certifications or established training programs for chefs, 198 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:30,840 Speaker 1: if people are curious. The Oxford English Dictionary agrees with 199 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:34,840 Speaker 1: Miriam Webster on this. So we're about to jump back 200 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:38,199 Speaker 1: into Karam's place and all this culinary upheaval, but we're 201 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:40,959 Speaker 1: gonna pause quickly for a little sponsor break before we 202 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 1: do so. In the midst of all of this food 203 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 1: culture and shifting that we were talking about was young Karim, 204 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 1: who worked in the tavern where he was taken in 205 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:59,439 Speaker 1: initially for several years and then moved to a restaurant 206 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:02,679 Speaker 1: in seven in ten and after two years there, he 207 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:05,560 Speaker 1: then moved when he was hired in the patisserie run 208 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:10,559 Speaker 1: by Savambaiyee, where he spent several years learning baking and confectionery. 209 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 1: And this was actually the first thing he truly was 210 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:15,959 Speaker 1: taught to do in the kitchen. Those previous positions had 211 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 1: been more about cleaning up and helping out than actual 212 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 1: food prep, and he wouldn't learn to cook a full 213 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 1: meal until later with his employer's permission. He also started 214 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 1: educating himself because he hadn't received any formal education as 215 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 1: a child. I Am taught himself to read and write 216 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:35,560 Speaker 1: over the years from the ages of thirteen to eighteen, 217 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 1: and as his reading comprehension got better, he also just 218 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 1: started reading voraciously. He studied books on travel and then 219 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 1: books about architecture. He also started sketching buildings, and he 220 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:50,680 Speaker 1: used these sketches to create center pieces made with a 221 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 1: sugar and gelatine modeling past called pastiage. He eventually started 222 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:58,720 Speaker 1: studying science to gain an understanding of how all the 223 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:03,320 Speaker 1: different ingredients combined. Yeah, he was passionate about education his 224 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 1: whole life, and there are many instances where if you're 225 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:10,320 Speaker 1: reading any biography of him, it will mention how almost 226 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 1: his entire life he was constantly running to a library 227 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:16,320 Speaker 1: because he just wanted to learn more. And the work 228 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 1: that he was doing it by patisserie, which was one 229 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:21,679 Speaker 1: of the best known and most highly regarded in the city, 230 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 1: was largely focused on catering, so Baye and his staff 231 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 1: would prep and deliver baked goods and sweets to large 232 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 1: parties and banquets known as extraordinaires or just extras, hosted 233 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:39,440 Speaker 1: by high society patrons. These massive architectural pastiage centerpieces, where 234 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:41,080 Speaker 1: I mean they were big. A lot of times they 235 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 1: were more than a meter wide and sometimes even taller. 236 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 1: They gained the attention of heads of state and the aristocracy. 237 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 1: Everything from crumbling Greek ruins to pastoral scenes to the 238 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:55,320 Speaker 1: Great Pyramids could be found in car M's repertoire of 239 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 1: sugar sculptures. When one of his works of art was 240 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:01,319 Speaker 1: made for a ball or a date dinner. A lot 241 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 1: of times it was placed at the head table. Yeah, 242 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:06,960 Speaker 1: BAYI was you know, he had a whole staff. But 243 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:10,679 Speaker 1: usually if Karem made something for for any feast that 244 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 1: went in front of the most important people. And Karem 245 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 1: made his way up to the position of first piemaker 246 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 1: at Bai's patissori, which was basically as far as he 247 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 1: could go there, and he attributed his achievements during this 248 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 1: time those masterful centerpieces, his mastery of baking, and his 249 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 1: education to a dogged work ethic, later writing quote, I 250 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 1: succeeded in my plans, but how many nights I stayed 251 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 1: up in order to do so. Having gotten to the 252 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 1: highest position that he could while working for somebody else, 253 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 1: Karem transitioned into a new place. He started working in 254 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 1: the patissary of the chef Gendrone, and he continued to 255 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 1: operate it underneath under that man's name, but Karrem was 256 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 1: actually the one running things. This move was made with 257 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 1: the assurance that he would still be available available to 258 00:14:56,760 --> 00:15:00,160 Speaker 1: work with Baii on some catering events, and he was 259 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 1: once again burning the midnight oil and beyond as he 260 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 1: ran his own kitchen, although it was under a different 261 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 1: name and used his name essentially as an artist for hire. Yeah, 262 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 1: so it's kind of that thing where someone um either 263 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 1: purchases or gets hired into an established place that has 264 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 1: an established, recognized name, and it keeps going under their 265 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 1: their leadership, but it still uses the original name. That 266 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 1: was the situation with Gendron and Karem was right in 267 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 1: the thick of the restaurant boom that was happening in 268 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 1: Paris in the early eight hundreds, and this really really 269 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 1: excited him. He saw opportunity before him, and soon he 270 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 1: actually left Gendron's patisserie to work in catering full time. 271 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 1: He didn't want to be bound by baking exclusively, but 272 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 1: instead he wanted to learn about preparing all types of food, 273 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 1: and he used his pastry knowledge to open the door 274 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 1: to learning more. At massive events that were thrown by 275 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 1: the Napoleonic nobility, it was really common for multiple chefs 276 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 1: to be in employed for the evening to oversee various 277 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 1: parts of the meal, and so while managing the pastries, 278 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 1: Karem learned cooking from some of the finest culinary talents 279 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 1: of Paris. While he worked alongside them, Karem soon became 280 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 1: the favorite of Charles Maurice de te Pery Gore, who 281 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 1: was Minister of Foreign Affairs at the time, and Karem 282 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 1: would often work for Telera for multi day engagements where 283 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 1: lavish spreads were needed, and during this period of near 284 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 1: constant banquet bookings for France's heads of state, Karrem opened 285 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 1: his own patissary in his own name, although it seems 286 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 1: that this was really more of a kitchen and staging 287 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 1: area for food prep for these events than a functioning 288 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 1: pastry shop that was open to the public. Through his 289 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 1: connection to Telem, came began creating dishes for the French nobility. 290 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 1: When Napoleon Bonaparte married his second wife, Marie Louise of Austria, 291 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 1: it was Karem who baked their wedding cake. Ever, the 292 00:16:56,880 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 1: workaholic Marie Antoine Careme, so how main time, made time 293 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 1: to write a book when he wasn't feeding government officials 294 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:08,359 Speaker 1: and their guests, titled Histoire de Romen or History of 295 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:12,399 Speaker 1: the Roman Table. No known copies of that text exist, 296 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 1: but it is believed to have been a comparison between 297 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:18,399 Speaker 1: French and Roman food, with France's fair being determined to 298 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:23,360 Speaker 1: be far superior. Karem was as his eye for creating 299 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 1: amazing masterpieces made clear a visual thinker, and he championed 300 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:30,119 Speaker 1: the idea that a dish should look beautiful in addition 301 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 1: to tasting good. So when you see people talking about 302 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:36,359 Speaker 1: the importance of presentation and plating a dish perfectly, this 303 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:40,680 Speaker 1: really comes from Karrem's ideology. He wrote about the importance 304 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 1: of order at the table and his books on cooking, 305 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:46,879 Speaker 1: and he thought that it enhanced the meal. Dovetailing on 306 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 1: that idea, he also thought that chefs should look tidy 307 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:52,680 Speaker 1: and appealing, and the uniform that he adopted really set 308 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 1: the standard that's still in place today. Yeah, that idea 309 00:17:57,080 --> 00:18:02,119 Speaker 1: of the double breasted, white, very crisp tunic that is 310 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:06,119 Speaker 1: still very very common was part of his his concept. 311 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 1: And when politics shifted once again in France and the 312 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:13,920 Speaker 1: Pollan's reign ended, it marked a significant change for Kutam, 313 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:17,760 Speaker 1: as he had risen to a position of really high 314 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:20,919 Speaker 1: favor within the Napoleonic government and he benefited from the 315 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:24,520 Speaker 1: big budgets that their events afforded. That change in government, 316 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:27,479 Speaker 1: of course, made for a change in his life. He 317 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:29,919 Speaker 1: had massive prestige at this point, though he didn't need 318 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 1: to worry about jobs his His legend had spread far 319 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:36,719 Speaker 1: beyond France, but he didn't want to stay in France, 320 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:40,200 Speaker 1: even though it was his home. He was definitely aware 321 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:42,959 Speaker 1: of his cache and his fame as it grew. He 322 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:46,200 Speaker 1: was not afraid to talk himself up or to accept praise, 323 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 1: so he traveled safe in the knowledge that his reputation 324 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:53,159 Speaker 1: would carry him through. At the beginning of the Bourbon Restoration, 325 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 1: which spanned the years eighteen fourteen eighteen thirty, he was 326 00:18:56,960 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 1: welcomed into the houses of Russia, Austria and England, and 327 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:03,159 Speaker 1: and he did very well for himself during this time. 328 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:06,439 Speaker 1: His skills in the kitchen were of such renown that 329 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:09,720 Speaker 1: he could turn down jobs if he wasn't interested in them, 330 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 1: because he always had more wealthy patrons looking to book 331 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 1: his services. In eighteen fifteen he wrote two books. The first, 332 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:24,200 Speaker 1: Lpaticier Petresque or Picturesque Pastry, offered basic instructions and designs 333 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:26,400 Speaker 1: for the types of sugar center pieces that had made 334 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 1: him famous throughout France and beyond. The second book was 335 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 1: titled Lupatzier Royal Parisien, which is Royal Parisian Pastry, and 336 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:36,879 Speaker 1: that was much more of a conventional cookbook filled with 337 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:41,879 Speaker 1: pastry recipes. In eighteen sixteen, after spending time abroad and 338 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 1: being asked by royal houses and heads of state to 339 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:49,440 Speaker 1: become their permanent chef, Karam finally accepted one of these offers. 340 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:52,119 Speaker 1: He was employed by George the Fourth of Great Britain 341 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 1: while he was still the Prince Regent. One of the 342 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 1: most impressive meals during that time was a banquet that 343 00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 1: was prepared to honor Nicholas, Grand Duke of Ussia when 344 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:05,160 Speaker 1: he visited George the Fourth on January eighth, eighteen seventeen. 345 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 1: For that event, they created a hundred and twenty dishes. 346 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 1: There were eight different roasts, dozens of entrees, and eight 347 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:18,680 Speaker 1: partissari centerpieces, including a pastry recreation of the Royal pavilion 348 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 1: at Brighton where the feasts took place. But despite his 349 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:26,639 Speaker 1: triumphs in Great Britain, that job only lasted eight months 350 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:29,359 Speaker 1: before Kudam decided that he just could not stand the 351 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:33,120 Speaker 1: English weather. He found it too dreary, and after bouncing 352 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 1: around for a while throughout Europe and parts of Russia, 353 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 1: Kudam ended up back in Paris. We'll talk in a 354 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:42,879 Speaker 1: moment about the next high profile job that Kim took, 355 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 1: but we're gonna pause again for a quick sponsor break. 356 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:55,359 Speaker 1: In nineteen eighteen, Kudam took another permanent and we have 357 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 1: to use the air quotes their position, because he did 358 00:20:57,560 --> 00:20:59,639 Speaker 1: seem to be a little bit of a traveler in 359 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:02,480 Speaker 1: his heart. Uh. This time it was in St. Petersburg 360 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:05,960 Speaker 1: to work for Czar Alexander the First, managing his kitchen staff. 361 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:09,159 Speaker 1: Once again, this did not last long, and after that 362 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 1: he worked for a string of people, including the English 363 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 1: inbassador to Vienna, Lord Stewart, and cadem actually had a 364 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:17,920 Speaker 1: bit of a tricky time connecting with Lord Stewart after 365 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:21,160 Speaker 1: the cook had left St. Petersburg, but he did eventually 366 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:23,920 Speaker 1: catch up with the Ambassador on his travels, and then 367 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 1: they traveled together to London for George the Fourth Coronation, 368 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:29,960 Speaker 1: but they didn't actually make it there in time, and 369 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 1: then they went their separate ways. Stewart headed back to 370 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:36,680 Speaker 1: Vienna and his job, and Kedem once again returned to Paris. 371 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:39,879 Speaker 1: In the early eighteen twenties, he published another book, this 372 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:44,119 Speaker 1: one titled Machel d'hotel Francais or the French Major Hotel. 373 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 1: This book featured an essay discussing the merits of old 374 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:51,679 Speaker 1: versus new cuisine, and a variety of menus based on 375 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:55,239 Speaker 1: the calendar. Yeah, it's basically like, if you're going to 376 00:21:55,280 --> 00:22:00,679 Speaker 1: manage uh meals for fine people here, or some sample 377 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 1: menus you could use no matter whether you are in 378 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:08,320 Speaker 1: the finest houses of Vienna or London or St. Petersburg. 379 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 1: He basically kind of used all of that knowledge he 380 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:13,880 Speaker 1: had gleaned working in all of these very high profile 381 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 1: places and put together sample menus for someone to follow. 382 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:19,080 Speaker 1: I had an instant where I was about to ask you, 383 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 1: is this like a seasonal food thing? And then I 384 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:25,920 Speaker 1: was like, of course it was, because this wasn't an 385 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:29,879 Speaker 1: era before so much modern technology where you can have 386 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:33,119 Speaker 1: seasonal foods year round a lot of time. Well, and 387 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 1: that was actually something you know, they were obviously there 388 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:37,919 Speaker 1: were ways to preserve and pickle things. But like one 389 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 1: of the things that made teleron allegedly like really just 390 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 1: adore him is that teleron Um challenged him at one 391 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 1: point back during the reign of Napoleon to create seasonal 392 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 1: menus basically never repeating addish and always using the freshest 393 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 1: fruits and vegetables and apparently did just a super bang 394 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:01,359 Speaker 1: up job of this, and so everyone was like, Wow, 395 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 1: he's amazing. He doesn't even need preserves, Like, uh, he 396 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 1: was really really good at doing seasonal um cooking. He did, however, 397 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 1: continue to have weird luck with jobs that didn't quite 398 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 1: pan out until he began working for financier baron James 399 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 1: dar Rothschild in eighteen twenty four, and he actually worked 400 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 1: for a Rothschild longer than he had in any other position, 401 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:25,960 Speaker 1: for five years up until eighteen nine. While he was 402 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:29,960 Speaker 1: working for Rothschild, he wrote his first true cookbook, called 403 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 1: The Cuisine Yer Palisan or The Parisian cook The That 404 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 1: book was published in eighteen twenty eight, and he almost 405 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:40,119 Speaker 1: immediately started working on a second version of it. He 406 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:44,200 Speaker 1: also reopened his particilary after he finished his work with 407 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 1: James D. Rothschild. Yeah, we he had made that book 408 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:50,880 Speaker 1: of pastry recipes, but this was really like a comprehensive 409 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 1: cookbook that included many courses throughout a meal um. And 410 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:59,480 Speaker 1: Kadam was actually busy expanding this book because he really 411 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:02,160 Speaker 1: loved it. When he died on January twelve of eighteen 412 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 1: thirty three, he died quite young. He was only forty 413 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:07,200 Speaker 1: eight at the time, and it turned out that all 414 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:09,679 Speaker 1: of those years of looking after food that was cooking 415 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 1: over a coal fire had really damaged his lungs. Volumes 416 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 1: one and two of that new expanded cookbook that he 417 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:18,919 Speaker 1: had been working on when he passed, La de la 418 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 1: cuisine Fan says Oh, which is the Art of French 419 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 1: Cooking in the nineteenth Century, came out later in the 420 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 1: year of his death eighteen thirty three. The third volume 421 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:31,680 Speaker 1: of this came out in eighteen thirty five, and one 422 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:34,640 Speaker 1: of his students finished the last two volumes and published 423 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:37,879 Speaker 1: them in the eighteen forties. His cookbooks are among the 424 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 1: first that really show, with step by step sketches and 425 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:44,200 Speaker 1: a lot of cases, how to create what became French 426 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:48,400 Speaker 1: eat cuisine. And but in his mind these foods were 427 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 1: really for the home. His career, which went from working 428 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 1: for a business to working as a freelancer at banquets 429 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:58,439 Speaker 1: to working in private the wealthy homes, really traces his 430 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:01,679 Speaker 1: evolution of the idea that beautiful, delicious food should be 431 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:06,119 Speaker 1: accessible and part of home life. And for clarity, this 432 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:08,879 Speaker 1: does not mean that he thought fine food should be 433 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 1: simple He was infamous for concocting really complicated recipes that 434 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:17,760 Speaker 1: could take days and days to prepare. One of the 435 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 1: things I stumbled across while I was prepping this was 436 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:23,600 Speaker 1: a blog by someone who is uh pretty versed in 437 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,119 Speaker 1: French cooking and has done a lot of these And 438 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:28,919 Speaker 1: and they made one of his famous soups and it 439 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 1: took them five days because there are so many steps, uh, 440 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 1: and it has a very complicated even the way it 441 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 1: had to be arranged in a shallow soup bowl was 442 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:42,600 Speaker 1: laid out very clearly, because again he was obsessed with presentation, 443 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:47,240 Speaker 1: but he really still thought that that information, those recipes 444 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:51,400 Speaker 1: should become a part of the every day crimes legacy 445 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 1: is global and ongoing. It reaches far beyond French food. 446 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 1: Just like his concepts of presentation and fine cooking at 447 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:03,800 Speaker 1: home persist. Even his concrete ideas shape a lot of 448 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:08,120 Speaker 1: the dishes we still eat today. For example, he believed 449 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:11,119 Speaker 1: in what he called the four mother sauces or grand 450 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 1: sauces that formed the basis of all good cooking. And 451 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:18,119 Speaker 1: these sauces were valute, which is made with a simple 452 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 1: rue and a stock. So rue, if you do not know, 453 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:24,440 Speaker 1: is butter and flour quickly, uh, combined in a pan, 454 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,960 Speaker 1: and then it can be treated different ways. Espanol, which 455 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 1: is a brown sauce which is made with a dark 456 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,200 Speaker 1: brown rue. Once you combine those things, you let it darken, 457 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:34,800 Speaker 1: and then you add beef or veal stock and sewing 458 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:38,359 Speaker 1: bones in some cases, a lamande which is a pale 459 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,600 Speaker 1: valute with egg yolks, lemon juice and heavy cream added 460 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:43,720 Speaker 1: to it. And what I believe to be the best 461 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:47,920 Speaker 1: one bechamel, which is a white rue made with milk 462 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:51,639 Speaker 1: or cream, which can also have cheese added for variation. Uh. 463 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:55,080 Speaker 1: These sauces you can still find made all time well, 464 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:58,119 Speaker 1: and it's a it's a common enough idea that like, like, 465 00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 1: I could not name the four mother sauces off the 466 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 1: top of my head, even having heard you just say 467 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:06,400 Speaker 1: all four of them. But the idea that there are 468 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,960 Speaker 1: four mother sauces and French cooking is something that I 469 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 1: am aware of, and I am not a French cook 470 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 1: by any stretch. When it has actually changed a little 471 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:19,600 Speaker 1: bit right. That list was later amended by um Augusta Scoffier, 472 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:21,959 Speaker 1: who followed in Cudam's footsteps. He's going to be an 473 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 1: episode all his own soon uh, and then there were 474 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:29,119 Speaker 1: five mother sauces, so that shifted and alamand shifted to 475 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 1: something else. But Cutams basics endure and they're still using 476 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:37,480 Speaker 1: restaurants throughout the world today. So all this codification, innovation, 477 00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:41,040 Speaker 1: and style, combined with a really healthy dose of self awareness, 478 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:45,240 Speaker 1: made Marie Antoine Karam the Western world's first celebrity chef. 479 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,800 Speaker 1: He even included a sketch of himself in his books, 480 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:52,120 Speaker 1: way before the concept of an author photo was a 481 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:56,159 Speaker 1: thing to ensure that people could recognize him on the street, 482 00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,400 Speaker 1: and that is how he became the so called King 483 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:04,640 Speaker 1: of Chef. I love that he did that. I love 484 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:08,119 Speaker 1: why he did that. Yeah, I want people to be 485 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 1: able to praise me in person if they so desire. 486 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:15,919 Speaker 1: Do you have some listener mail for us? I do 487 00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:19,040 Speaker 1: This listener mail is a little weird in terms of timeline, 488 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,800 Speaker 1: but it makes sense with today's episode. It is from 489 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,880 Speaker 1: our listener Ashley, and she writes, Hello, I know we're 490 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,200 Speaker 1: almost into April at this point, we're deep into April, 491 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,639 Speaker 1: but she wrote this in March. I know we're almost 492 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,119 Speaker 1: into April, but I've been getting caught up on episodes 493 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,880 Speaker 1: and just listen to the historical roots of holiday treats, 494 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,480 Speaker 1: and I thought I would share my sister's tradition of 495 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:41,440 Speaker 1: making intricate gingerbread houses every year. Her family started a 496 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 1: few years back making a replica of their house and 497 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:47,480 Speaker 1: it has grown ever since. This year they did Hogwarts, 498 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:49,120 Speaker 1: and I think it was I thought it was something 499 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,760 Speaker 1: all might enjoy. Thank you for the excellent episode. I 500 00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 1: am also a huge fan of food stuff, so anytime 501 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:57,440 Speaker 1: food and history cross is a huge bonus. Holy Moses. 502 00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 1: She sent us pictures of this and edible gingerbread house, 503 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,920 Speaker 1: and I am blown away one because this is some 504 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 1: of the most It could just be artfully decorated, but 505 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 1: it is some of the most delicate looking gingerbread. Like 506 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,840 Speaker 1: I don't know how much gingerbread anyone is made, but 507 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:19,040 Speaker 1: when you start to get thin to get details into it, 508 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,320 Speaker 1: it's very easy for it to break. And this all 509 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,480 Speaker 1: looks perfect and sharp edged and it's amazing. So thank 510 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 1: you so much, Ashley, because this is beautiful and it 511 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:30,440 Speaker 1: ties in beautifully with the idea of Kudam's amazing centerpieces. 512 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,720 Speaker 1: I think he would be pretty impressed by this full 513 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,800 Speaker 1: Hogwarts model made of gingerbread. I don't know how you 514 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,960 Speaker 1: even make peace with yourself breaking that apart to eat 515 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,360 Speaker 1: it when the holidays are over, because it is really 516 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:44,680 Speaker 1: a work of art. So thank you, thank you, thank you, 517 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 1: And if you would like to write to us, you 518 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,720 Speaker 1: can do so at History Podcast at house stuffworks dot com. 519 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 1: You can also visit us at missed in history dot 520 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 1: com and missed in History is also our handle across 521 00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 1: all of social media. 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