1
00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,440
Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on

2
00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:07,120
Speaker 1: iHeartRadio and welcome back to Coast to Coast George nor

3
00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:09,680
Speaker 1: with Mark Shaw. His websites are linked up at Coast

4
00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:11,760
Speaker 1: to COASTAM dot com. I do want to point out

5
00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:15,040
Speaker 1: that in November, the anniversary dates of the death of

6
00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:18,200
Speaker 1: Dorothy Kilgallen and John F. Kennedy are president. Of course,

7
00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:22,079
Speaker 1: Mark Shall will be back on both of those areas

8
00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:24,840
Speaker 1: right close to those dates for two more shows. By

9
00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:27,040
Speaker 1: the way, thank you, Mark. Tell us more about this Waco,

10
00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:30,760
Speaker 1: Texas person. Well, I really appreciate it, Georgia. You know,

11
00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:33,400
Speaker 1: I want to just mention one thing. If there's anything

12
00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:36,880
Speaker 1: we should learn from what happened to Maryland, Jfkan Dorothy

13
00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:38,800
Speaker 1: and I think I've said this before. People need to

14
00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:42,360
Speaker 1: ask questions. And it's just as true then as it

15
00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:46,879
Speaker 1: is now. You can't take the governments, you know what

16
00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:49,519
Speaker 1: they tell us just on face value. You've got to

17
00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:51,680
Speaker 1: ask questions. I don't care if it's about monkey pox

18
00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:54,120
Speaker 1: or whatever it is, political or anything else. People have

19
00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:57,560
Speaker 1: to ask questions. And unfortunately back in the day they

20
00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:00,200
Speaker 1: didn't with any one of these three deaths. I mean,

21
00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:03,000
Speaker 1: I just found what I mentioned here, Dorothy was trying

22
00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:06,120
Speaker 1: to get attention to Maryland's death. She wrote, I can't

23
00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:08,720
Speaker 1: answer all of the questions about it, but I have

24
00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:12,039
Speaker 1: a feeling the real story hasn't been told, not by

25
00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:14,240
Speaker 1: a long shot. Well, that should have made people that

26
00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:18,200
Speaker 1: knew Maryland and those in the know, the authorities and

27
00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:20,080
Speaker 1: all of that, stand up and say, hey, we need

28
00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:23,720
Speaker 1: to investigate. And yet of course they didn't. And I

29
00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:26,360
Speaker 1: also want to tell you that in the Warren Commission

30
00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:32,320
Speaker 1: investigation I've done the tapes of audio recordings of LBJ

31
00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:35,960
Speaker 1: and Hoover, they called Dorothy the dirty columnists, and I

32
00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:38,600
Speaker 1: think in some ways that's a tribute to her, because

33
00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:41,800
Speaker 1: she was pursuing the truth in everything. But the two

34
00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:45,479
Speaker 1: accounts that have happened. I've recently heard from a man

35
00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:50,080
Speaker 1: named Dudley in down in Texas who actually gave me

36
00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:52,720
Speaker 1: what I think is a very credible account of Oswald

37
00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:56,680
Speaker 1: and Ruby being at the same place near where he lived.

38
00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:00,400
Speaker 1: It's a very detailed account. I've been able to check

39
00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:03,400
Speaker 1: it and all of that. There was also a name

40
00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:05,960
Speaker 1: that people in Texas may know is his name was

41
00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:11,680
Speaker 1: ol Nelms, who owned a big club in Dallas, and

42
00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:14,320
Speaker 1: Jack Ruby at one point lease that. So I've kind

43
00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:16,919
Speaker 1: of got those connections in there now and now, as

44
00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:19,440
Speaker 1: I think I said once before on the program, I've

45
00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:22,120
Speaker 1: got a connection between Ruby and Marcello in the summer

46
00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:25,160
Speaker 1: of nineteen sixty three, as well by a woman named

47
00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:28,520
Speaker 1: Kathleen and Dallas, and so all of that has really

48
00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:31,560
Speaker 1: come together to give I think a clearer picture of

49
00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:35,160
Speaker 1: what happened when JFK was killed. That's a huge story.

50
00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:39,120
Speaker 1: And Maryland's involvement. Who introduced Marilyn Monroe to JFK. Was

51
00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:42,600
Speaker 1: it Peter Lawford or Frank Sinatra, Well, it looks like,

52
00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:45,400
Speaker 1: you know, there's both accounts, and as far as my

53
00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:48,000
Speaker 1: research shows, you know, I'm a historian, so I look

54
00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:51,200
Speaker 1: at the right places I think for facts, and that's

55
00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:54,360
Speaker 1: the National Archives. In my opinion, if I could suggest

56
00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:57,360
Speaker 1: anything to your listeners, stay away from Wikipedia. You know,

57
00:02:57,400 --> 00:02:59,519
Speaker 1: anybody can go in there now and change things and

58
00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:03,120
Speaker 1: do whatever they want to. But the National Archives, the Smithsonian,

59
00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:05,720
Speaker 1: you know, there are other places that you want to

60
00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:08,320
Speaker 1: find things. So I usually go to the National Archives,

61
00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:10,760
Speaker 1: and in there I think it's clear that it was

62
00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:15,280
Speaker 1: Sinatra who initially um uh, you know, if you. If

63
00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:18,200
Speaker 1: you look in Fighting for Justice, you're going to see

64
00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:21,679
Speaker 1: photographs of him with JFK at the inauguration. They've got

65
00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:24,960
Speaker 1: on their tuxedos. They were close. We're very, very close

66
00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:28,240
Speaker 1: until everything blew up. As you know, when Joe Kennedy

67
00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:30,480
Speaker 1: told JFK, you got to stay away from him. We

68
00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:33,080
Speaker 1: don't want he's involved with mobiers. We don't want that

69
00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:36,160
Speaker 1: on the front page. And his biggest disappointment, he remodeled

70
00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:39,320
Speaker 1: his Palm Springs house, put in a helicopter pad and

71
00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:42,560
Speaker 1: everything because the president was going to spend the weekend

72
00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:45,520
Speaker 1: with him. And that's when Joe Kennedy told his son,

73
00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:49,320
Speaker 1: you ain't going, boy, and he decided not to. And

74
00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:54,080
Speaker 1: Sinatra was livid and jeffkndd up staying at bing Crosbie's house.

75
00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:56,160
Speaker 1: Yes he did. That's good. You have you always do

76
00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:58,920
Speaker 1: your research, Georgia, Oh, I just read your books. Well,

77
00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:01,800
Speaker 1: that's nice of you, thank you. But you know, I'm

78
00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:04,720
Speaker 1: not a big Frank Sinatra fan. You know that I

79
00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:07,839
Speaker 1: have two new chapters in Fighting for Justice about this guy,

80
00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:09,800
Speaker 1: and a lot of it's pretty negative. But I will

81
00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:13,960
Speaker 1: tell you what I think he really held a Maryland

82
00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:18,080
Speaker 1: with respect in. I really think he had a respect

83
00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:21,679
Speaker 1: for her. Now I have some you know, some research

84
00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:24,160
Speaker 1: I've done. You know that they were together at the

85
00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:26,719
Speaker 1: SAMs Hotel in June of the year before she died.

86
00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:30,000
Speaker 1: Maryland will be in It would be a mister Sinatra's

87
00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:32,919
Speaker 1: guest at his intention that Miss Monroe be accorded the

88
00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:36,800
Speaker 1: most profit privacy during her stay. She will be registered

89
00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:41,359
Speaker 1: in mister Sinatra. Sweet, you're not to bother them until

90
00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:43,920
Speaker 1: after two o'clock and things like that. But you may

91
00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:48,800
Speaker 1: remember that when I was investigating Dorothy's death, there was

92
00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:51,920
Speaker 1: this Las Vegas casino operator who told me all about

93
00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:55,760
Speaker 1: Ron Pataki, who was Dorothy Killgown's lover when she died

94
00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:58,240
Speaker 1: in her confidad. And we believe that really set her

95
00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:01,479
Speaker 1: up to be killed. By the way, Ron Pitaki unfortunately

96
00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:05,480
Speaker 1: died about six weeks ago. Oh he did. Yeah, They're

97
00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:07,400
Speaker 1: one of the great regrets of my life is that

98
00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:09,760
Speaker 1: I could not put him in prison where he belonged.

99
00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:12,840
Speaker 1: When I when I last talked to him, he sounded

100
00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:18,040
Speaker 1: like the most lonely, guilt stricken uh, you know, just

101
00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:21,039
Speaker 1: down in the dumps man. And he came so close

102
00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:24,200
Speaker 1: to telling me exactly what happened with Dorothy, and then

103
00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:26,479
Speaker 1: I was just shocked when I found out that he

104
00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:31,279
Speaker 1: had died of natural causes. But this Las Vegas Studio,

105
00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:35,719
Speaker 1: Las Vegas casino guy said, Frank certainly did care about Maryland.

106
00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:38,159
Speaker 1: He had a side to him that wanted to look

107
00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:41,080
Speaker 1: out for the injured, and she was one of them.

108
00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:44,599
Speaker 1: I heard he even paid the bills for a psychiatrist

109
00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:47,960
Speaker 1: she was seeing. And this guy knew everybody, and he

110
00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:52,160
Speaker 1: knew Sinatra because Sinatra gambled right in the casino lounge

111
00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:55,800
Speaker 1: where this this guy was the casino boss. So I

112
00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:58,440
Speaker 1: you know, I really believe. And also I'd love a

113
00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:01,680
Speaker 1: photograph that I have in Fighting for Justice. People may

114
00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:05,800
Speaker 1: have seen it, but it's on Sinatra's yacht and he's

115
00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:08,600
Speaker 1: sitting there with a his chirt off. He's all tanned,

116
00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:11,600
Speaker 1: and everything acost him is Maryland and you can't see

117
00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:15,280
Speaker 1: her face, but she's leaning forward listening to him. And

118
00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:17,640
Speaker 1: I love that picture because it looks to me like

119
00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:19,920
Speaker 1: that he was giving her credit. In the second hour,

120
00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:22,720
Speaker 1: we'll talk about that Maryland was no dumb blonde and

121
00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:25,240
Speaker 1: all of that and everything, but it looked to me

122
00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:29,000
Speaker 1: like that that he had respect for her, and you know,

123
00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:31,600
Speaker 1: I got to give him credit for doing that, because

124
00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:34,480
Speaker 1: she didn't have a lot of men that treated her

125
00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:39,240
Speaker 1: that well. That's true, that is absolutely true. Something had

126
00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:43,480
Speaker 1: gone wrong between John Kennedy and then he passed her

127
00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:47,479
Speaker 1: off to Bobby Kennedy. Something went wrong. She was going

128
00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:51,400
Speaker 1: to go public with something. What happened, Well, it's in

129
00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:55,159
Speaker 1: that CI document I found. It was just gold and unfortunately,

130
00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:58,560
Speaker 1: of course the date on it is August third, nineteen

131
00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:03,480
Speaker 1: sixty two, and so they knew Marylyn was in jeopardy. Uh.

132
00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:07,560
Speaker 1: You know, it talks about her as well as Dorothy

133
00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:11,280
Speaker 1: and JFK being fascinated with UFOs and JFK is going

134
00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:13,240
Speaker 1: to go to Texas to look at where that is

135
00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:15,840
Speaker 1: where the UFOs came down. And then it talks about

136
00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:20,280
Speaker 1: that she's upset with the Attorney General because he won't

137
00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:26,440
Speaker 1: return her calls. JFK's you know, romance with Marylyn was

138
00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:28,920
Speaker 1: short lived because Joe said no more of that. And

139
00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:32,520
Speaker 1: they've all listened to Joe, those those Kennedy boys, they

140
00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:35,240
Speaker 1: did all right, And so Bobby Kennedy I landed on

141
00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:38,880
Speaker 1: him because he was the next biggest name other than

142
00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:42,240
Speaker 1: Joe DiMaggio. At the time the Yankee Clipper, and so

143
00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:44,720
Speaker 1: I started looking into that. He was in LA in

144
00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:47,720
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty two in the summer working on a movie

145
00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:49,880
Speaker 1: deal for his book, The Enemy Within. And the of

146
00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:54,960
Speaker 1: course that that CIA document solidifies his romance with Marylyn.

147
00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:57,960
Speaker 1: He had told her he was going to divorce Ethel

148
00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:00,920
Speaker 1: and Mary Marylyn and all of that going on, and

149
00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:04,480
Speaker 1: so it really proved that, you know, there was that relationship.

150
00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:06,440
Speaker 1: And then it set in there that she had threatened

151
00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:09,120
Speaker 1: to go to the media about the love affairs, but

152
00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:14,640
Speaker 1: more about JFK setting up Fidel Castro for the kill,

153
00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:17,680
Speaker 1: and that was a matter of national security. I don't

154
00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:19,640
Speaker 1: know if it was Hello talk, and we didn't know

155
00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:23,240
Speaker 1: that until a few years ago. No, that's right, and

156
00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:25,320
Speaker 1: a lot of people have not paid attention to that

157
00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:28,760
Speaker 1: CIA document. It's one of the reasons that I'm so

158
00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:30,960
Speaker 1: pleased that people get back in touch to me because

159
00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:33,680
Speaker 1: I've been able to put everything in context. Nobody's ever

160
00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:37,240
Speaker 1: been able to have the you know, the background on

161
00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:39,880
Speaker 1: some of these things. Hell, I've practiced law with Melvin

162
00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:42,120
Speaker 1: bell I as you know, the why you're for Ruby.

163
00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:45,040
Speaker 1: So when I started in all this, I had that advantage.

164
00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:48,000
Speaker 1: And then of course, godlover, I've got Dorothy kill Gallan

165
00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:50,439
Speaker 1: in my corner, and that's made all the different. And

166
00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:53,320
Speaker 1: it wasn't Belli, by the way, passed on to Ruby

167
00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:57,319
Speaker 1: by the mob as his attorney. Well, there's only one

168
00:08:57,360 --> 00:08:59,280
Speaker 1: thing you need to know about that, and that is

169
00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:02,360
Speaker 1: when Waiter came up to bell I and a friend

170
00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:04,679
Speaker 1: of his, and that's my source, and I knew this

171
00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:09,600
Speaker 1: man and told him that Oswald had been killed, Melvin

172
00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:12,480
Speaker 1: bell I said, well, now I'll have to represent Jack Ruby.

173
00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:18,640
Speaker 1: And he had no criminal defense experience. He basically was ordered,

174
00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:21,320
Speaker 1: i think by Marcello, who he can talk about later

175
00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:25,960
Speaker 1: if he wanted down there the assassination, that he was

176
00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:28,800
Speaker 1: to go to Texas represent Ruby, keep his mouth shut

177
00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:31,800
Speaker 1: and make him look crazy. And that that's solidified. That

178
00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:34,360
Speaker 1: that tied up those loose ends there that need to

179
00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:36,840
Speaker 1: be tied up for the people who were responsible for

180
00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:40,160
Speaker 1: JFK's death, so Bobby would be powerless, which is exactly

181
00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:43,559
Speaker 1: what happened. Were they concerned that Marilyn Monroe was going

182
00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:47,000
Speaker 1: to go so public that it would have affected John F.

183
00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:52,880
Speaker 1: Kennedy's re election campaign? Oh, Georgie, you can just imagine

184
00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:57,120
Speaker 1: that people have asked me, wait a minute, Mark, Robert

185
00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:59,360
Speaker 1: Kennedy wouldn't have been dumb enough to be in LA.

186
00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:02,400
Speaker 1: I've destroyed his alibi that he was in San Francisco.

187
00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:06,360
Speaker 1: I have the report at twentieth Century Fox Studios in

188
00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:09,439
Speaker 1: a helicopter he did with Peter Laufernell. He wouldn't be

189
00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:11,679
Speaker 1: dumb enough to be in LA. Well, let me tell

190
00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:15,800
Speaker 1: you something he may have thought Marilyn was it was

191
00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:18,440
Speaker 1: a dumb blonde. And she may have said she was

192
00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:20,720
Speaker 1: tired of being passed around like a piece of meat.

193
00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:23,320
Speaker 1: But it scared the hell out of him because all

194
00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:25,360
Speaker 1: it took was for her to go to the media

195
00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:29,520
Speaker 1: and Kennedy, both Kennedy boys would have been done. Oh yeah,

196
00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:32,480
Speaker 1: people would have believed her, They really would have. And

197
00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:35,520
Speaker 1: and because she had the you know, her house was

198
00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:39,040
Speaker 1: bugged by Gedger Hoover and all of that. But yeah,

199
00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:40,920
Speaker 1: that would have been the end of them. So, as

200
00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:44,560
Speaker 1: you know, I say that if Bobby Kennedy would have

201
00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:48,560
Speaker 1: been prosecuted for Marilyn Monroe's death in nineteen sixty two,

202
00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:51,719
Speaker 1: based on this mountains of evidence, there would have been

203
00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:56,040
Speaker 1: no JFK assassination there would have been Dorothy Kill Gallen

204
00:10:56,520 --> 00:11:01,480
Speaker 1: in JFK assassination, no Dorothy Kill gall An investigation, and

205
00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:03,719
Speaker 1: you can now stretch it on. There would have been

206
00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:09,160
Speaker 1: no Warren commissioned corruption, which ended up being the biggest

207
00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:12,199
Speaker 1: Cohn in history, which is the fact that Lee Harvey

208
00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:16,360
Speaker 1: Oswald acted alone. She was a great actress too. She worked,

209
00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:20,440
Speaker 1: She worked hard to do what she did, didn't she Well,

210
00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:22,880
Speaker 1: she studied with Lee Strassburg. You can't get much better

211
00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:25,160
Speaker 1: than that. And a little bit more in the second hour,

212
00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:29,280
Speaker 1: but uh yeah, you know, I have some accounts where

213
00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:31,600
Speaker 1: Marilyn went to an auction I want to mention that

214
00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:39,000
Speaker 1: in some papers by a famous gout that became famous

215
00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:44,960
Speaker 1: because of writing or directing Shakespeare's Midsummer Night Dream, and

216
00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:50,240
Speaker 1: she bought those papers. She studied, She read Ulysses. I

217
00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:52,600
Speaker 1: have poetry that we can talk about in the in

218
00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:56,120
Speaker 1: the second Hour that she wrote. There's a eulogy that

219
00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:57,920
Speaker 1: I would like to read at the end of the

220
00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:02,319
Speaker 1: program about Maryland that was by Strassburg. But she really

221
00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:05,000
Speaker 1: worked on her craft, and you know, all she wanted

222
00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:06,760
Speaker 1: to be in There are two things she wanted to

223
00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:08,880
Speaker 1: be in life. She wanted to be a mother. And

224
00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:10,800
Speaker 1: we'll talk about that with an account that I have

225
00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:13,440
Speaker 1: in the second hour and second she wanted to be

226
00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:17,120
Speaker 1: looked upon as a respected actress. And all you have

227
00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:21,520
Speaker 1: to do is look at the film The Misfits, because

228
00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:24,520
Speaker 1: that is Marilyn at her best. Supposedly she had a

229
00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:26,880
Speaker 1: lot of problems, they say with this and that is

230
00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:31,040
Speaker 1: final film. That's her final film, and and it it

231
00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:34,280
Speaker 1: is just riveting to watch her. I'm trying to think

232
00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:36,000
Speaker 1: of who the I think the last time I was

233
00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:38,560
Speaker 1: on your program, I got the co star wrong. I

234
00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:41,280
Speaker 1: don't think it was Clark Gable, but I can't remember exactly.

235
00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:46,160
Speaker 1: Was it John Wayne? No, it's not John Wayne. Um anyway,

236
00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:50,600
Speaker 1: it might have been Clark Gable, but somebody or something.

237
00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:53,160
Speaker 1: But you see them on the screen, it's just electric.

238
00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:56,240
Speaker 1: But you can see the the emotion coming out of

239
00:12:56,240 --> 00:13:00,360
Speaker 1: her in that film, and um, God, love her at East.

240
00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:03,240
Speaker 1: You know she was able to have that particular role.

241
00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:06,840
Speaker 1: All of them are incredible, but that one stands out

242
00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:09,920
Speaker 1: because that was the culmination. It was Clark Gable, by

243
00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:13,440
Speaker 1: the way, Okay, it was good, I was right, you know.

244
00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:16,120
Speaker 1: That was the culmination of all the work she did

245
00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:19,800
Speaker 1: and that's what really bothers me so much at times.

246
00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:22,920
Speaker 1: Nobody stood up for Dorothy Kilgallen when she died. We'll

247
00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:25,920
Speaker 1: talk about that on the eighth of her anniversary death.

248
00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:29,600
Speaker 1: But nobody did for Maryland either. And it's it's just

249
00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:32,640
Speaker 1: you hope that when you die that those people who

250
00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:35,160
Speaker 1: know you well and say they love you and everything

251
00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:37,640
Speaker 1: will it will come up and say, wait a minute,

252
00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:40,920
Speaker 1: you know, Monroe would not have committed suicide. And that's

253
00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:44,000
Speaker 1: what they put down on the death certific probable suicide,

254
00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:48,840
Speaker 1: right you. If you want to falsify a death and

255
00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:51,560
Speaker 1: cover up this is this book's all about cover ups.

256
00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:54,120
Speaker 1: If you want to cover up a murder, just go

257
00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:57,240
Speaker 1: ahead and falsify the autopsy. The first one they had

258
00:13:57,280 --> 00:13:59,559
Speaker 1: in the morning said that she died of an overdose

259
00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:02,840
Speaker 1: of drug. Three or four hours later it was Sue's

260
00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:06,200
Speaker 1: probable suicide. Cyril Reck, who's been on your program a

261
00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:09,440
Speaker 1: great many times, who is a great friend and the

262
00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:12,520
Speaker 1: finest forensic scientists I think who may have ever lived,

263
00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:16,320
Speaker 1: told me he looked at sixteen thousand different autopsies, he

264
00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:20,800
Speaker 1: never saw probable suicide. And the Gucci, of course them,

265
00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:23,080
Speaker 1: said later on, you know, well, I just made a

266
00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:26,200
Speaker 1: little mistake. I forgot to look at Marilyn Monroe's inner

267
00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:29,360
Speaker 1: organ some of them, and by the time I figured

268
00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:32,240
Speaker 1: out I needed to do that, they'd been destroyed. I mean,

269
00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:35,080
Speaker 1: just imagine that with one of the most famous people

270
00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:38,080
Speaker 1: in the world, and they botched the autops they like that,

271
00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:40,320
Speaker 1: just like they did with Dorothy Kilgowan. And why did

272
00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:44,000
Speaker 1: they wait so long to call the police? Well, that's

273
00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:46,200
Speaker 1: that's a fuzzy one, that's for sure. I mean, in

274
00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:51,400
Speaker 1: the documentary on Marilyn Monroe the Netflix, they give about

275
00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:55,520
Speaker 1: sixteen different ways that supposedly that happened, including amulus is,

276
00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:58,000
Speaker 1: going back and forward and all that. But basically they

277
00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:02,920
Speaker 1: just character assass an eight marylyn and and leave out

278
00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:06,080
Speaker 1: any evidence to the contrary that she was on the upswing.

279
00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:09,080
Speaker 1: There's a new movie coming out called Blonde, where they

280
00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:12,160
Speaker 1: don't even care about the facts. But in this situation,

281
00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:17,160
Speaker 1: you know, there's there's real questions about the psychiatrist Greenson

282
00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:21,160
Speaker 1: and the other the doctor that she had, and who

283
00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:23,600
Speaker 1: got there first, and what they were doing and all that.

284
00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:26,440
Speaker 1: I think the best account of that is in this

285
00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:29,520
Speaker 1: one book that I'll mention down the line by Eunice Murray,

286
00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:33,040
Speaker 1: the housekeeper who really says exactly what happened when the

287
00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:36,920
Speaker 1: police got there. But about three hours or so George

288
00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:41,200
Speaker 1: go by while those two men are there and everything

289
00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:44,400
Speaker 1: before the police are called so and one broke a

290
00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:48,720
Speaker 1: window to get in. It's just nonsense. And the crime

291
00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:53,560
Speaker 1: scene is completely you know, a massacred. I mean, things

292
00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:55,480
Speaker 1: aren't where they were supposed to be in all of that.

293
00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:58,000
Speaker 1: It just one of the worst. I can't remember who

294
00:15:58,000 --> 00:15:59,840
Speaker 1: it was that told me this is one of the

295
00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:03,800
Speaker 1: investigations of a murder in history, and it was Listen

296
00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:06,960
Speaker 1: to more Coast to Coast AM every weeknight at one

297
00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:09,720
Speaker 1: a m. Eastern and go to Coast to Coast am

298
00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:10,800
Speaker 1: dot com for more