WEBVTT - Thinking Sideways: Toynbee Tiles 0:00:04.280 --> 0:00:16.000 Thinking sideways. I don't you never know what story is 0:00:16.040 --> 0:00:20.759 of things. We simply don't know the answer to toy 0:00:20.880 --> 0:00:23.520 the idea in movie two thousand one resurrect dead on 0:00:23.640 --> 0:00:27.760 planet Jupiter um and and but it's a gas planet, 0:00:27.920 --> 0:00:34.080 and it's like, what's going on here? You're like Sherlock 0:00:34.120 --> 0:00:38.320 Holmes on a cocaine bender. No, You've got notes and 0:00:38.560 --> 0:00:43.120 hastily written notes every what is okay? Okay, you're a 0:00:43.159 --> 0:00:47.040 little too into this in your forehead. Just the thing 0:00:47.479 --> 0:00:50.040 is is that this is one of those mysteries that 0:00:50.680 --> 0:00:52.720 so many people have dealt into, and I feel like 0:00:52.720 --> 0:00:54.880 there's like a curse attached to it, like you just 0:00:54.920 --> 0:00:57.280 fall into it. It's like it never It's like Alice 0:00:57.320 --> 0:00:59.440 in the looking glass. It's just how many more metaphors 0:00:59.480 --> 0:01:04.800 can I come up? I really don't know. Yeah, and 0:01:04.840 --> 0:01:08.119 you just fall in and there's no you know, I 0:01:08.120 --> 0:01:10.520 I know. I was expressing to Steve earlier that I 0:01:10.520 --> 0:01:13.680 don't know if I'm really ready for this, just because 0:01:13.720 --> 0:01:16.280 there's so much information out there. It's been going on 0:01:16.319 --> 0:01:21.039 for so long you can't do anything about it. But 0:01:21.120 --> 0:01:22.800 I really want to talk about this one because it's 0:01:22.800 --> 0:01:24.640 like one of my favorite mysteries, and I feel like 0:01:24.640 --> 0:01:29.320 it's time, but I'm so sorry I can't make it through. 0:01:29.560 --> 0:01:31.720 Let's talk about you're gonna help me with us, because 0:01:32.240 --> 0:01:38.360 if we're going to solve it, I don't want to 0:01:38.400 --> 0:01:41.119 solve it. I really want to solve it. It's the thing, Okay. 0:01:41.160 --> 0:01:44.680 The thing about this mystery is that it seems like 0:01:44.880 --> 0:01:47.760 there's just an obvious answer, right. It's one of those 0:01:47.760 --> 0:01:49.280 ones where you like, you read through it and you're like, well, 0:01:49.360 --> 0:01:52.840 I'm just I'm I'm like an idiot, Like I'm clearly 0:01:52.880 --> 0:01:55.200 I'm just not making the right connections, Like there should 0:01:55.240 --> 0:01:59.200 be a really simple answer at this, but there's just not. No. No, 0:01:59.360 --> 0:02:03.400 I can perspective there is a simple answer. Somebody's making 0:02:03.440 --> 0:02:06.320 these things and putting them out there, right, but who 0:02:06.600 --> 0:02:10.440 and why? And that's let's start the beginning. There are 0:02:10.639 --> 0:02:13.480 for dear friends who are listening today alright and don't 0:02:13.520 --> 0:02:17.880 know what's going on. Okay, so what's your This is, well, 0:02:17.919 --> 0:02:21.120 this is Thinking Sideways the podcast. I'm so sorry everyone. 0:02:22.440 --> 0:02:26.840 My name is Devin, and I'm joined as always by 0:02:26.960 --> 0:02:30.680 and we're gonna go out of mystery. By now, you 0:02:30.760 --> 0:02:32.880 probably know we're going to do the toy be tiles. 0:02:34.200 --> 0:02:38.600 So these tiles, um they're sometimes called plaques started showing 0:02:38.680 --> 0:02:43.040 up maybe in the early nineteen eighties, definitely, people can 0:02:43.320 --> 0:02:48.120 pretty solidly recall in like three these things cropping up. 0:02:48.160 --> 0:02:51.040 But for sure there were recorded sightings in the early nineties. 0:02:51.639 --> 0:02:53.280 So theyve been around, what they've been around a while, 0:02:53.360 --> 0:02:55.919 happening a while, I should say happening I think, been 0:02:55.960 --> 0:02:58.600 around because it's often a lot of times they have 0:02:58.639 --> 0:03:01.040 been around for a while, but sometimes they haven't, and 0:03:01.080 --> 0:03:03.400 that's kind of well, you know, they could be one 0:03:03.440 --> 0:03:05.200 of them could be around for a long time before 0:03:05.240 --> 0:03:07.480 you even notice it. You know, the one that's over 0:03:07.800 --> 0:03:10.639 near my house, it's seventh in Hawthorne, which I went 0:03:10.639 --> 0:03:12.840 and looked at today that it actually is there. It's 0:03:12.880 --> 0:03:16.480 still there. Yeah, but I've been I've been driving over 0:03:16.520 --> 0:03:18.800 that thing and passed that thing forgot for years now, 0:03:18.960 --> 0:03:22.560 never even noticed because they you know, that's kind of 0:03:22.600 --> 0:03:24.120 part of it. They crop up in the middle of 0:03:24.160 --> 0:03:28.560 asphalt streets or sidewalks, but but more they crop up 0:03:28.800 --> 0:03:32.000 in the street kind of places where you don't necessarily 0:03:32.000 --> 0:03:35.040 see them. Um and by the way, yeah, and as 0:03:35.080 --> 0:03:38.600 it's because you know, as it's gotten more recent, it's 0:03:38.640 --> 0:03:42.760 kind of we we see them more in visible pedestrian spaces. 0:03:43.840 --> 0:03:46.000 We'll talk about this in a little bit. It's a 0:03:46.040 --> 0:03:50.880 big there's a distinction. Okay, most of them are are 0:03:50.960 --> 0:03:54.600 just this phrase to be idea in movie two thousand 0:03:54.600 --> 0:03:58.200 one resurrect dead on planet Jupiter. The most common variations 0:03:58.200 --> 0:04:00.760 you'll see are instead of in movie, it will say 0:04:00.760 --> 0:04:05.880 in Cubricks two thousand one, because he directed it the 0:04:05.000 --> 0:04:12.240 movie and I think he wrote it to things a 0:04:12.280 --> 0:04:15.080 little mysterious to me is this two thousand one resurrect 0:04:15.120 --> 0:04:17.800 down on Jupiter. I mean, in the movie they go 0:04:17.880 --> 0:04:20.440 to Jupiter, but they're not going there to resurrect the dead. Well, 0:04:20.480 --> 0:04:23.040 we'll talk about this. There's so much to talk about 0:04:23.040 --> 0:04:28.840 with So officially we kind of consider anything that cropped up, 0:04:28.880 --> 0:04:31.000 not anything, but most of them that cropped up until 0:04:31.040 --> 0:04:35.760 about two thousand two to be old style or original tiles. 0:04:36.560 --> 0:04:40.240 And then since two thousand to a lot of um 0:04:40.400 --> 0:04:43.120 copycats have kind of cropped up. You know, the ones 0:04:43.240 --> 0:04:46.920 here are considered to be copycats UM, and that I 0:04:46.960 --> 0:04:49.719 think is due in part to the fact that forums 0:04:49.720 --> 0:04:53.240 got ahold of her some somehow realized how these were 0:04:53.279 --> 0:04:56.279 being done. And they posted on the Internet, so people 0:04:56.320 --> 0:05:00.800 who were toying be tile enthusiasts now knew how they 0:05:00.800 --> 0:05:04.520 were made, how to make them themselves. And we're kind 0:05:04.520 --> 0:05:08.200 of going out and copying and propagating the it becomes 0:05:08.200 --> 0:05:12.440 a movement. Yes, it makes sense. Yeah, street art absolutely. 0:05:12.480 --> 0:05:16.880 I'm actually thinking about creating one myself. I did in college. Yeah, 0:05:16.880 --> 0:05:20.760 I did um in Illinois. Is it still there? I 0:05:20.839 --> 0:05:26.640 have no idea. He was never on Google street View. 0:05:27.200 --> 0:05:29.440 I guess we'll start by talking about how they're made, 0:05:29.560 --> 0:05:34.080 because that's the simplest thing to attack in this whole situation. 0:05:34.120 --> 0:05:36.440 It's the simplest thing to attack. And I understand that 0:05:36.480 --> 0:05:40.960 this is, you know, again propagating the mystery a little bit. 0:05:41.000 --> 0:05:43.080 You know, we're about to say to all of our 0:05:43.120 --> 0:05:45.920 millions of viewers or listeners, at least one percent of 0:05:45.960 --> 0:05:47.679 whom we're going to want to run right out totally. 0:05:47.800 --> 0:05:50.599 So now you'll know how to do it, not that. Yeah, 0:05:50.640 --> 0:05:54.200 and it's not that you couldn't just google it before. 0:05:55.000 --> 0:05:58.919 So they're they're actually made of linoleum linolium tiles, just 0:05:58.920 --> 0:06:02.400 like you can buy at home depot um. The theory 0:06:02.760 --> 0:06:06.520 is and again, since you know that it's pretty easy 0:06:06.560 --> 0:06:10.039 to tell. You just carve out your message in the linoleum. 0:06:10.080 --> 0:06:13.320 And the older style ones, we're really colorful and kind 0:06:13.320 --> 0:06:17.640 of like look like mosaics and we'll we'll post pictures 0:06:17.640 --> 0:06:19.640 of these so you can kind of see. But they're 0:06:19.680 --> 0:06:22.560 really beautiful. Yeah, they're kind of. But so the older ones, 0:06:22.640 --> 0:06:25.320 I mean like they had like color the letters in. 0:06:26.120 --> 0:06:29.000 Now did they just lay lay the cut out lin 0:06:29.040 --> 0:06:31.120 only on top of another piece of material to get 0:06:31.160 --> 0:06:33.640 the color or did they actually cut out different colored pieces. 0:06:34.120 --> 0:06:37.440 So essentially what you do is you put down a 0:06:37.480 --> 0:06:40.840 piece of tar paper, which is what they use when 0:06:40.960 --> 0:06:43.760 you're reroofing when you put shingles on, and you can 0:06:43.800 --> 0:06:45.640 again you can just get it at home deepot or whatever. 0:06:46.040 --> 0:06:48.240 So you get a layer of tar paper, which they 0:06:48.279 --> 0:06:52.400 also used to patch cement and asphall cracks. Um. You 0:06:52.480 --> 0:06:55.520 lay that down and then you would cut out your 0:06:55.640 --> 0:06:58.240 basic outline so you're big, you're like main color of 0:06:58.240 --> 0:07:00.640 the tile, and then you cut out the little bits, 0:07:01.040 --> 0:07:03.640 carve out, carve out the letters and stick them in 0:07:03.680 --> 0:07:06.200 the holes um and then you put a bunch of 0:07:06.240 --> 0:07:10.600 Olmoer's glue on there and all over it. You just 0:07:10.640 --> 0:07:15.600 like it's like making a sandwich a little bit, Yeah, 0:07:15.680 --> 0:07:18.000 and you just like smother your mayonnaise or jam or 0:07:18.040 --> 0:07:21.520 whatever it is in there, and then you use asphalt 0:07:21.680 --> 0:07:23.520 crack filler as well a little bit, and then you 0:07:23.520 --> 0:07:27.080 stick another layer of tar paper on there, and you've 0:07:27.120 --> 0:07:30.360 got yourself a little like sandwich packet. Well, and I 0:07:30.400 --> 0:07:33.960 think I think the answer Joe's question is, and it 0:07:34.080 --> 0:07:36.160 took me a while to figure this out. You're talking 0:07:36.160 --> 0:07:39.160 about the original ones were much more colorful. Yeah, because 0:07:39.240 --> 0:07:42.280 what somebody was doing was carving the letters out and 0:07:42.360 --> 0:07:45.600 making a negative space in the linoleum and then adding 0:07:45.600 --> 0:07:48.920 a positive and then cutting out another piece of linoleum 0:07:48.960 --> 0:07:51.080 that was the letter in laying in there to make 0:07:51.080 --> 0:07:53.120 the positive. It would be that hard. Actually, you could 0:07:53.160 --> 0:07:57.880 use it as a stencil, extremely time consumed. If you 0:07:58.000 --> 0:08:01.680 think about that, I carved the letter are, and then 0:08:01.680 --> 0:08:04.480 I've got to carve the letter are smaller and in 0:08:05.040 --> 0:08:10.120 relatively the same shape proportionately to fit in there. So 0:08:10.160 --> 0:08:12.120 if the leg or the curve is too big, i 0:08:12.160 --> 0:08:14.440 gotta go back and shave it down to get them 0:08:14.440 --> 0:08:16.360 all in there. And you know, the really interesting thing. 0:08:16.400 --> 0:08:18.360 The other thing that you kind of notice is as 0:08:18.400 --> 0:08:20.640 you start to look at the pictures of these tiles, 0:08:20.960 --> 0:08:23.880 you can kind of instinctively know if it's an original 0:08:23.960 --> 0:08:28.280 or copycat because there's really distinct handwriting that goes with 0:08:28.360 --> 0:08:33.080 the very obvious style. It's really really obvious, and it's 0:08:33.080 --> 0:08:37.280 really consistent. It's not like an amateur carver. And even 0:08:37.280 --> 0:08:39.920 and we'll get into this, there are these like original 0:08:40.120 --> 0:08:43.480 like trial runs that were found and you look at 0:08:43.520 --> 0:08:46.960 them and you're like, oh, that's the guy, Like that 0:08:47.040 --> 0:08:49.760 was made by the same person. And there's there's the screeds, 0:08:50.080 --> 0:08:53.920 which are just tons and tons of little writing that 0:08:54.080 --> 0:08:58.200 it's just so much and it's a very consistent style. 0:08:58.360 --> 0:09:01.480 So the style is the key, Yeah, it absolutely is. 0:09:01.679 --> 0:09:04.440 Um it's it's like a fingerprint. Yeah, I think I 0:09:04.480 --> 0:09:06.439 think that's true. And the guy, the guy who does 0:09:06.440 --> 0:09:09.480 a squeeze sounds like a little bit unbalanced. Well, so yeah, 0:09:09.480 --> 0:09:12.760 we call those man I'm in it, you guys, I'm 0:09:12.800 --> 0:09:15.200 in it. Those are called they're referred to most often 0:09:15.200 --> 0:09:17.560 as the manifesto tiles, and we'll talk about that but 0:09:18.040 --> 0:09:22.440 a little bit later. But so they've floated this theory 0:09:22.480 --> 0:09:25.960 that the person the tyler will refer to this person 0:09:26.040 --> 0:09:29.000 as the Tyler. You often see that kind of in 0:09:29.040 --> 0:09:33.960 the net sphere, the infosphere, and we don't actually, we 0:09:34.000 --> 0:09:40.440 don't have a verified name. Yeah, there's and and it's 0:09:41.320 --> 0:09:44.000 pretty widely accepted that it was just one person. So 0:09:44.000 --> 0:09:45.240 we'll just go ahead and throw that out there in 0:09:45.280 --> 0:09:48.319 the beginning. So there was this theory that the Tyler 0:09:48.480 --> 0:09:51.800 had a car that was missing a floorboard, so you 0:09:51.800 --> 0:09:54.199 would just you would drop your little sandwich packet and it 0:09:54.160 --> 0:09:58.520 it would go and then drive away. And the way 0:09:58.520 --> 0:10:03.679 when I did, it would know did you cut a 0:10:03.720 --> 0:10:06.120 hole in the bottom of your card? I didn't have. 0:10:06.160 --> 0:10:08.960 That's good. That's good. Okay. So it hits the ground. 0:10:09.000 --> 0:10:11.800 So it hits the ground, and then the heat of 0:10:11.840 --> 0:10:15.679 the tires driving over it, uh, kind of embeds it 0:10:15.880 --> 0:10:19.120 in the asphalt. It just like deep deep embeds it 0:10:19.520 --> 0:10:23.280 and then eventually wears the tar paper part away after 0:10:23.320 --> 0:10:25.760 all of the like tar and asphalt and glue have 0:10:25.880 --> 0:10:29.400 solidified into the been pushed around because they're they're they're 0:10:30.640 --> 0:10:33.880 it's it's kind of a sticky liquid way to say it. 0:10:33.920 --> 0:10:36.920 So it gets pushed away from the base material totally 0:10:37.040 --> 0:10:39.120 on the top. Yeah, so it all gets embedded and 0:10:39.120 --> 0:10:41.079 then it'll wear a wait at the paper, so they 0:10:41.200 --> 0:10:45.640 just eventually kind of reveal themselves, which is really cool 0:10:45.679 --> 0:10:50.400 if you think about it, and really ingenious. Yeah, super 0:10:50.480 --> 0:10:53.440 super smart. Yeah, I think that I don't think that 0:10:53.480 --> 0:10:55.400 I would go to the lengths of cutting ahold the 0:10:55.400 --> 0:10:57.360 bottom of my car though. I think I just like 0:10:57.600 --> 0:10:59.400 roll down my window and drop it out that way. 0:10:59.800 --> 0:11:01.560 You have the thing about a car with a hole 0:11:01.559 --> 0:11:04.720 in the floorboard, is nobody plans to have that, but 0:11:04.840 --> 0:11:06.560 you end up with it because I hadn't. I had 0:11:06.559 --> 0:11:08.199 a car that I discovered had a hole in the 0:11:08.240 --> 0:11:10.840 floorboard once and I wasn't planning on habit it. But 0:11:10.880 --> 0:11:13.040 once I had it, I had it. So I don't 0:11:13.040 --> 0:11:15.720 know how how much I like this theory, to be 0:11:15.840 --> 0:11:19.480 totally honest with you. Um, there's a there's a dropping 0:11:19.480 --> 0:11:22.080 it through the floorboard thing. There's a documentary that we're 0:11:22.080 --> 0:11:24.559 going to like refer a lot to in this because 0:11:24.559 --> 0:11:26.520 it's kind of like the end all be all of 0:11:26.559 --> 0:11:30.199 information on the TONB tiles. It's called Resurrect Dead, and 0:11:30.280 --> 0:11:32.600 they talk a lot about this car as it refers 0:11:32.600 --> 0:11:35.480 to the person that they think is responsible for this. 0:11:35.960 --> 0:11:38.600 They find a car they did not, but they have 0:11:38.679 --> 0:11:42.040 descriptions of it, and it's a crazy well car. But 0:11:42.160 --> 0:11:44.480 I think, you know, in some instances that makes sense. 0:11:44.520 --> 0:11:47.720 But to say that that's how this person exclusively did that, 0:11:47.840 --> 0:11:50.440 I just don't think that's the case. I don't. I 0:11:50.520 --> 0:11:52.600 just don't. Can I can I break in here for 0:11:52.640 --> 0:11:57.240 a second, because this is the thing that we've We've 0:11:57.240 --> 0:11:59.800 had a couple of stories where there's been documentaries out 0:11:59.840 --> 0:12:03.240 there about him. I know the last one we did Hubert, 0:12:03.400 --> 0:12:06.800 there was a documentary that was done. And the thing 0:12:06.880 --> 0:12:10.280 that I always I want to bring bring up and 0:12:10.280 --> 0:12:13.600 and make people think about, is that when you watch 0:12:13.640 --> 0:12:18.720 a documentary, they have come to a conclusion typically of 0:12:18.840 --> 0:12:21.160 what the answer is gonna be, at least for the 0:12:21.200 --> 0:12:25.800 most part. So they're going to bring that stuff to 0:12:26.000 --> 0:12:30.120 the forefront. And it's a little frustrating to me at 0:12:30.200 --> 0:12:32.880 times because I don't always agree with it, and I 0:12:32.920 --> 0:12:36.360 don't always think the logic is sound, And I think 0:12:36.360 --> 0:12:38.960 that it's very easy for folks to go and let's say, 0:12:38.960 --> 0:12:42.760 watch this documentary and say, oh, well, that's the absolute answer. 0:12:43.440 --> 0:12:45.679 But I still see some holes and not that these 0:12:45.679 --> 0:12:48.600 guys didn't do a ton of leg work. They did, 0:12:49.920 --> 0:12:52.320 And again I think you know, if you watch this movie, 0:12:52.679 --> 0:12:55.560 you will get exactly the idea of what I was 0:12:55.640 --> 0:12:58.640 just talking about earlier, is you fall down this rabbit hole. 0:12:58.960 --> 0:13:01.040 And even you know, they're an instance where a guy 0:13:01.080 --> 0:13:03.160 comes in and he's like a total skeptic and he 0:13:03.280 --> 0:13:06.280 like doesn't totally he's not really into the idea, and 0:13:06.320 --> 0:13:07.680 by the end of it, he's like one of the 0:13:07.720 --> 0:13:10.880 only people who still like involved in the whole situation. 0:13:11.400 --> 0:13:13.559 But I think you just you don't. I think there 0:13:13.640 --> 0:13:16.080 is that feeling of thinking, well, there must just be 0:13:16.120 --> 0:13:18.360 this really simple answer it or just like that I'm 0:13:18.440 --> 0:13:20.920 just too stupid to see. And that's that's what drives 0:13:20.920 --> 0:13:23.640 me crazy sometimes when we see these documentaries, which are 0:13:23.679 --> 0:13:25.719 well made. I'm not going to knock on them, but 0:13:26.440 --> 0:13:30.400 then you start thinking about it after the facts. Well, okay, 0:13:30.440 --> 0:13:33.160 so I agenda is not the right word to use, 0:13:33.240 --> 0:13:35.720 but they have an agenda that they that they are 0:13:35.800 --> 0:13:39.679 putting forward and that's what they're going to support. But 0:13:39.760 --> 0:13:42.559 that doesn't mean that that's the only or the absolute 0:13:42.679 --> 0:13:46.400 or correct answer, right right Anyway, I didn't mean to interrupt, 0:13:46.400 --> 0:13:48.440 but I just I had to say that because we've 0:13:48.480 --> 0:13:50.560 had this come up a couple of times. I agree, yeah, 0:13:50.559 --> 0:13:54.120 and I think it's it's worth saying for sure. They 0:13:54.000 --> 0:13:59.080 the theory kind of commonly accepted knowledge is that there's 0:13:59.080 --> 0:14:03.640 about a hundred and fifty like old style tiles, originals 0:14:03.720 --> 0:14:07.760 originals essentially that people have have identified, and you know, 0:14:07.760 --> 0:14:09.840 there may be more that nobody's ever seen. They may 0:14:09.840 --> 0:14:11.760 have gotten destroyed before anybody ever had to see them, 0:14:11.760 --> 0:14:15.840 because they're getting well. And the thing of it that's 0:14:15.880 --> 0:14:21.640 really interesting is that it's it almost seems like it's 0:14:21.680 --> 0:14:25.320 a really big effort to pave over these things. There 0:14:25.360 --> 0:14:28.480 have been cities who like Chicago, for instance, which is 0:14:28.520 --> 0:14:32.760 where these majority of them started out at, right, Philadelphia, Philadelphia, 0:14:32.880 --> 0:14:35.440 you're right, but Chicago saw like two of them and 0:14:35.480 --> 0:14:38.720 they were like, Nope, this is a huge act of vandalism. 0:14:38.760 --> 0:14:41.280 We will do everything we can to pave over them 0:14:41.600 --> 0:14:45.800 and destroy them. When truly, I mean, it's not destroying 0:14:45.840 --> 0:14:48.880 the street. Like if I were a conspiracy theory not 0:14:49.600 --> 0:14:53.280 it would totally feed into my conspiracy theory because it's 0:14:53.320 --> 0:14:55.360 like a couple of tiles in the middle of the street. 0:14:55.560 --> 0:14:59.800 It's not like gang graffiti like written on the side 0:14:59.840 --> 0:15:03.680 of like some giant tourist trap or anything like that, 0:15:03.840 --> 0:15:06.920 and now the government suppressing it. Yeah, I mean a 0:15:06.960 --> 0:15:10.520 little bit. It's a lot of money to repay the street, Like, 0:15:10.560 --> 0:15:12.360 it cost a lot of money to even just repay 0:15:12.440 --> 0:15:15.240 a tiny little bit of street. And these are just 0:15:15.320 --> 0:15:17.720 like chilling in the middle of the street. They're not like, 0:15:18.360 --> 0:15:20.880 it's not a problem, see the infrastructure, you know, it's 0:15:20.920 --> 0:15:26.280 not dangerous. Well, they're just some little graffiti's but graffiti 0:15:26.320 --> 0:15:28.560 on a wall could be thought of the same way. 0:15:29.240 --> 0:15:33.640 Don't appreciate it because that's not what that surfaces intended for. 0:15:34.000 --> 0:15:37.120 I understand both sides just have to Yeah, no, I 0:15:37.200 --> 0:15:39.800 think that's totally fair, because I don't want to say 0:15:39.960 --> 0:15:43.800 this is like a conspiracy thing, because I listen to 0:15:43.800 --> 0:15:47.440 the show. You know, I'm not a conspiracy person, But 0:15:47.480 --> 0:15:50.480 I do want to say that the level that some 0:15:50.520 --> 0:15:53.240 cities have gone to to say we're getting rid of 0:15:53.280 --> 0:15:57.360 this stuff, it's it's a little crazy anyway. So there 0:15:57.400 --> 0:16:00.440 are three hundred like copycats so far that they seen 0:16:01.000 --> 0:16:04.960 um and we talked a little bit about what they 0:16:05.000 --> 0:16:09.720 look like. There's this group called the House of Hades, 0:16:10.400 --> 0:16:12.720 and they've been credited with at least a hundred of 0:16:12.760 --> 0:16:15.920 the copycats and they're the ones who are doing it 0:16:15.920 --> 0:16:20.200 in Portland, and the message is different. Often uh it 0:16:20.280 --> 0:16:22.800 often says something about House of Hades. There's also the 0:16:22.840 --> 0:16:25.840 Cult of the Hellian who are kind of the same 0:16:25.880 --> 0:16:27.640 thing as the House of Hades, and they're they're doing 0:16:27.680 --> 0:16:29.920 a lot of copycats as well. But it's just I mean, 0:16:30.080 --> 0:16:32.440 you could do it individually. The thing is is that 0:16:32.760 --> 0:16:35.160 to do it individually it costs a lot of money 0:16:35.200 --> 0:16:37.600 because you have to get a whole role of our paper, okay, 0:16:37.720 --> 0:16:39.920 and that's like fifty bucks of pop. And then you 0:16:40.000 --> 0:16:41.760 gotta get linoleum, and then you have to get a 0:16:41.760 --> 0:16:43.800 different color olium, and then you have to invest the 0:16:43.880 --> 0:16:47.000 time and energy to like carve it. Just to have 0:16:47.000 --> 0:16:49.480 said like, oh, I was like one tiny little part 0:16:49.480 --> 0:16:51.920 of this movement that somebody may never see, that's not 0:16:52.000 --> 0:16:54.360 something a lot of people do. So this guy, the 0:16:54.400 --> 0:16:57.480 guy the tyler must have been like in home construction. 0:16:58.240 --> 0:17:00.840 Just kidding, but actually that would make sense. So maybe 0:17:00.840 --> 0:17:03.960 although to do like a hundred and fifty of them, Well, 0:17:03.960 --> 0:17:05.840 but if you've got if you're working on jobs and 0:17:05.880 --> 0:17:10.640 you're just collecting scraps, yeah, that suddenly affords you this 0:17:10.880 --> 0:17:14.760 hobby at no cost your time. Yeah, or if you 0:17:14.920 --> 0:17:16.920 like have a lot of time to like walk around 0:17:18.280 --> 0:17:20.359 and just like pick up. Because you walk up to 0:17:20.440 --> 0:17:21.720 URF and you say, hey, man, can I have like 0:17:21.760 --> 0:17:24.000 a little piece of your tar paper? They're like, yeah, 0:17:24.480 --> 0:17:28.560 it's in the trash taking what they or they don't 0:17:28.600 --> 0:17:31.080 even notice or at late night and you go into 0:17:31.119 --> 0:17:34.480 a dumpster. Not a big deal. The well actually, and 0:17:34.520 --> 0:17:37.399 there's there are stores where you can actually buy you know, 0:17:37.560 --> 0:17:40.280 scraps of various things like this. There's one that's not 0:17:40.359 --> 0:17:42.560 very far away from here that has a lot of 0:17:42.600 --> 0:17:45.040 stuff like that. You can you can buy small leftover 0:17:45.280 --> 0:17:49.040 chunks of stuff like that because it's yeah, and they 0:17:49.080 --> 0:17:50.639 make they make a little money off the whole thing, 0:17:50.720 --> 0:17:53.160 and it doesn't go into the landfill. Yeah, for sure. 0:17:53.480 --> 0:17:56.119 So this is um, this is what the House of 0:17:56.160 --> 0:17:59.520 Hades tiles kind of look like. I didn't ever get 0:17:59.520 --> 0:18:02.440 to connect and maybe that's just because I missed it. 0:18:02.480 --> 0:18:05.040 But is the House of Hades something to do with 0:18:05.119 --> 0:18:08.960 the original tiles or is it just some offshoot group 0:18:09.040 --> 0:18:11.320 that just picked it up and took it. No, it's 0:18:11.320 --> 0:18:13.520 a it's an offshoot group. And you can see they're 0:18:13.640 --> 0:18:17.240 very clearly made with will post pictures. Of course they're 0:18:17.320 --> 0:18:20.760 very clearly made with just like single tiles or double 0:18:20.800 --> 0:18:22.960 wide of like just a floor tile. They just went 0:18:23.000 --> 0:18:27.160 to like house deepot, home depot or something. And so 0:18:27.200 --> 0:18:31.160 this one reads, there's often do reads House of Hades. 0:18:31.359 --> 0:18:34.280 I make and glue tiles with the bones of dead journalists, 0:18:34.320 --> 0:18:37.640 which is a reference to what is referred to as 0:18:37.680 --> 0:18:42.880 the side tiles from the tiles and we'll talk about Yeah, 0:18:42.960 --> 0:18:45.720 we'll talk about these because it's um there are a 0:18:45.760 --> 0:18:49.120 lot of things that take this from being an art 0:18:49.160 --> 0:18:53.600 project to being legitimate somebody trying to get their message 0:18:53.600 --> 0:18:55.040 across the only way they can figure out how to 0:18:55.080 --> 0:18:58.359 do it. Um. So the House of Hades does tiles 0:18:58.400 --> 0:19:01.360 like that. It's just like to color is kind of 0:19:01.400 --> 0:19:03.520 a lot of work, but like not the most work 0:19:04.240 --> 0:19:07.679 as opposed to like this is one of the original 0:19:07.720 --> 0:19:15.720 tiles and it's multiple colors and beautiful so much really 0:19:15.840 --> 0:19:18.000 like a lot of work. And you can even see 0:19:18.080 --> 0:19:21.640 while the House of Hades tries to emulate the way 0:19:21.680 --> 0:19:24.480 that the handwriting is I'm going to call it handwriting, 0:19:25.200 --> 0:19:28.920 it's it's still not quite the same. It's for me 0:19:29.240 --> 0:19:33.800 when I see this text done because of how consistent 0:19:33.920 --> 0:19:38.280 it is. I'm surprised that I have never come across 0:19:38.320 --> 0:19:41.520 a toy be font. To be quite honest, I'm surprised 0:19:41.600 --> 0:19:44.680 nobody has turned this into a font because it is 0:19:45.240 --> 0:19:48.600 so consistent. You look at the d's, the a's, the 0:19:48.720 --> 0:19:54.080 t are these things john very precisely East Tide. I 0:19:54.119 --> 0:19:56.480 would guess that if I didn't know better, I would 0:19:56.520 --> 0:19:59.480 say that somebody had to die to stamp these things 0:19:59.520 --> 0:20:03.240 out with. Maybe night that might have made a stencil 0:20:03.280 --> 0:20:06.800 set that very well could be. Yeah, but you know, 0:20:06.880 --> 0:20:09.160 actually that's that suggests an idea. I think that since 0:20:09.240 --> 0:20:11.600 this is not copyrighted, nobody else it, why don't we 0:20:11.720 --> 0:20:16.480 invent that fonte a lot of money? You know, No, 0:20:16.560 --> 0:20:19.000 I don't because I made before, and trust me, you 0:20:19.000 --> 0:20:20.240 don't want to do it, and I don't want to 0:20:20.240 --> 0:20:24.679 make money off of anything tany be related all. I 0:20:24.720 --> 0:20:29.320 just don't. So, so I guess like mystery solved, right, 0:20:29.320 --> 0:20:31.919 It was like one guy just like dropping some tiles 0:20:31.960 --> 0:20:35.359 in between. We don't know who it is, but whatever, Okay, 0:20:35.400 --> 0:20:39.240 just kidding, So Joe, I know this was your question, 0:20:39.320 --> 0:20:41.640 is what do they mean? Because they think taken at 0:20:41.640 --> 0:20:46.959 face value, it's just like a weird note, right, Okay, okay, 0:20:47.040 --> 0:20:50.000 So Toynbee was like this, there were a couple of 0:20:50.040 --> 0:20:52.840 different people that it might have referred to, and two 0:20:52.840 --> 0:20:55.080 thousand one of Space Odyssey. It's just like a Stanley 0:20:55.160 --> 0:20:58.399 Hurick film, and like there's nothing really about resurrecting the 0:20:58.480 --> 0:21:02.240 dead jupe Her and Jupiter, Like what a weird place. 0:21:02.280 --> 0:21:06.920 It's just a gas planet there. Yeah, it's weird. So 0:21:06.920 --> 0:21:11.040 so you know, actually, um, I'm reminded. This reminds me 0:21:11.200 --> 0:21:15.159 of what is the word for those puzzles where you 0:21:15.200 --> 0:21:17.359 take a bunch of words and you take the letgers 0:21:17.359 --> 0:21:22.320 of those words and rearrange them. Okay, grammatically, okay, So 0:21:22.840 --> 0:21:25.359 this looks to me like an anagram. It looks like 0:21:25.480 --> 0:21:29.680 somebody has taken some words and rearrange the letters into 0:21:29.760 --> 0:21:33.040 these sort of meaningless phrases. So that's really interesting. And 0:21:33.080 --> 0:21:37.000 that's actually not a theory that I've seen I have before. Really, Yes, 0:21:37.119 --> 0:21:42.359 I've read stuff that Toynbee can be rearranged into I 0:21:42.400 --> 0:21:46.400 think teen Boy, and they've gone people have gone through 0:21:46.440 --> 0:21:49.920 and taken everything in it and rearranged it to make 0:21:49.960 --> 0:21:53.720 different And there's multiple variances on the messages that don't 0:21:53.760 --> 0:21:56.879 make any more sense. Well, so there they can do it. 0:21:57.080 --> 0:21:58.760 This is the thing that I want to say. The 0:21:58.800 --> 0:22:00.399 other thing I want to say about this is that 0:22:00.440 --> 0:22:05.000 there I hesitate to say wrong answers, but there are 0:22:05.119 --> 0:22:08.160 so many wrong answers out there about the Twin be Tiles. 0:22:08.720 --> 0:22:10.600 They're just are I mean, you know, people are like, 0:22:10.640 --> 0:22:16.080