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Speaker 1: With world trade rebalancing. After the inauguration of President Trump

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Speaker 2: African institutions I building capacity, but we need to also pattern.

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Speaker 2: I will wrestle the war to have robust payment capacity

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Speaker 2: to transactions as well as facilitate trade.

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Speaker 1: On today's podcast, we're bringing you the best of the

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Speaker 1: Qatar Economic Forum in Doha. From long term investments to

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Speaker 1: emerging markets. Is the hope for Africa's continuing growth coming

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Speaker 1: from the Middle East. I'm Jennifer's Abasaja and this is

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Speaker 1: the Next Africa podcast, bringing you one story each week

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Speaker 1: from the continent driving the future of global growth with

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Speaker 1: the context only Bloomberg can provide. On today's special episode,

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Speaker 1: we're bringing you some of the key moments from the

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Speaker 1: and politics. We start in Nigeria, where volatility in the

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Speaker 1: I spoke to aminu Umar Sadik, the Managing director of

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Speaker 3: As the old prize goes off and down, that actually

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Speaker 3: Just the diversification play. It was important given where we

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Speaker 3: And then on the infrastructure side, I think we're looking

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Speaker 3: first thing that we're doing was around healthcare, particularly around oncology.

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Speaker 1: But Africa is not only looking to export oil, it

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Speaker 5: I'm very excited about the solution of real world problems,

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Speaker 5: I think Africa, because it's used to being tough and

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Speaker 1: Welcome back today. We are coming to you from the

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Speaker 1: Qatar Economic Forum in Doha, where business and political leaders

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Speaker 1: I spoke to Awusu Akoto, the founder of Ghanaian logistics

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Speaker 1: the opportunities and challenges for startups on the continent and

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Speaker 6: We have a lot of foreign influence in our ecosystems.

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Speaker 1: Has that been your experience, Luthia.

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Speaker 7: challenge and that's why we have to innovate, build a

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Speaker 7: And that's the ranking of number four on Africa's Fastest

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Speaker 1: How do you scale you're talking about scale within other markets,

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Speaker 7: So we have strategic partnerships that we struck with mobile

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Speaker 7: then we also have peer to lending platforms that really

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Speaker 1: Balance a koto the need for some of the solutions

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Speaker 6: it comes to funding. We've been guilty of that in

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Speaker 4: In Kenya, we have established today what is the largest

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Speaker 4: second largest retailer. When we invested, they had nine stores.

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Speaker 4: Today we have sixty one stores, and we have partnered

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Speaker 4: they do delivery. But I think more important for the

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Speaker 4: Can you find people in the ecosystem who you can

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Speaker 4: how many landlords or you know, property owners and say

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Speaker 4: I want to establish charging stations. Yet if you have

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Speaker 4: So we're not directly funding startups, but I think for

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Speaker 4: startups that have applications to our existing businesses, that's an

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Speaker 1: Martha, what is going to be key for momentum in

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Speaker 4: I think it's has been said by all the panelists.

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Speaker 4: It's solving real problems. Yeah, if I just relate to

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Speaker 4: what Ayula was talking about. In our supermarket, at least

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Speaker 4: sourcing from twenty thousand farmers. Yeah, if we could provide

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Speaker 4: them a way to store those products. What happens in

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Speaker 4: that cold chain. Okay, So partnering with the supermarket providing

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Speaker 4: But two, you're solving a real problem for a customer

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Speaker 4: Don't only look at private equity, but also look at corporates,

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Speaker 4: especially corporates that have been sponsored by private equity, as

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Speaker 1: Of course, many economies are looking for new investment opportunities,

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Speaker 8: Was Afrikana farmer genocide, I can bet you these three

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Speaker 6: Each one of those white things you see is across and.

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Speaker 1: There's approximately a thousand of them.

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Speaker 3: They're all white farmers, the family of white farmers.

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Speaker 8: So there is criminality in our country. People who do

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Speaker 8: Majority of them are black people. And we are now

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Speaker 8: the farmers are the farmers are not black.

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Speaker 4: And I'm saying that's good or bad, but the farmers.

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Speaker 1: Are not black. Next week we'll bring you the full

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Speaker 1: analysis of the fallout of those talks and what the

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Speaker 1: future looks like for US South African relations. And you

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Speaker 1: Forum on Bloomberg platforms now, including the Next African Newsletter.

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