Speaker 1: Hello everyone, It's Devin Simone.
Speaker 2: And Amissa Ferreira and this is MTV's official Challenge podcast.
Speaker 1: Welcome back.
Speaker 3: I don't know where that came from.
Speaker 1: Today we're covering episodes three and four of The Challenge
Speaker 1: Free Agents, and remember.
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Speaker 1: Shit, yeah you know, but you know you.
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Speaker 2: and you don't want to miss this crazy.
Speaker 1: It's been so good, So it's cringey again. We gave
Speaker 1: our disclaimer last week. You didn't hear it, go back
Speaker 1: and listen to that. But it's been so entertaining to
Speaker 1: watch the amount of hilarious moments and commentary.
Speaker 3: I mean, I really like this person. This person is
Speaker 3: it for me? I love this person. This person's incredible.
Speaker 3: I hate her. I hate this It's the end of
Speaker 3: my life.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that really checked your hide. And you said
Speaker 1: you got so mad when people were doing that and voting,
Speaker 1: they'd be like, I really love them. I think they're
Speaker 1: the best.
Speaker 3: Like you're really You're really I mean, I'm guilty of
Speaker 3: it too. You're really sweet and you're such a good person.
Speaker 3: And this was a really hard vote, but I had
Speaker 3: to go and follow suit because that's what I'm doing
Speaker 3: this season around. But I really like you and I
Speaker 3: hope we could be friends in the future.
Speaker 1: Oh, there was so much of that and your face
Speaker 1: every time you were just like you were bullshit. Were
Speaker 1: with Laurel, you were not here. We started to see
Speaker 1: those claus come out, understandably so because it was shady
Speaker 1: that she's trying to politic right in front of you
Speaker 1: and get I thought.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Swift and I were cool. That's why I told
Speaker 3: you I didn't talk to Swift in the streets Peo,
Speaker 3: like you know Swift, I'm like Swift who mm hmmm
Speaker 3: mm hmmm. We talk about he did.
Speaker 1: That to Brandon too, because he was Brandon's they were
Speaker 1: to be boys.
Speaker 3: And I love like I forgot about that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was swift er sweeper and then LaToya clapping
Speaker 1: back at Jordan.
Speaker 2: There were a lot of moments of like, don't, don't,
Speaker 2: don't he don't, just don't.
Speaker 3: And there was a lot of that.
Speaker 2: It was like, know who your friends are, stop with
Speaker 2: the bullshit and I'm talking like nobody.
Speaker 1: Can I yet? Just black and clap, came back and
Speaker 1: clapped and came back. She got black in that moment. No,
Speaker 1: she like that. We saw. Yeah, it was just it
Speaker 1: was a lot. It was wild. But even outside of
Speaker 1: the drama, let's talk about.
Speaker 3: Bachelorette and bachelor of party.
Speaker 1: Oh, because I've.
Speaker 3: Never had that.
Speaker 2: If I wanted to start dating someone or hooking up
Speaker 2: with them, we just did it.
Speaker 3: We didn't have a party for both parties.
Speaker 1: This was the season of parties that we threw a
Speaker 1: party like any time that we could, right.
Speaker 2: Like we were all together, it was party time. But
Speaker 2: it was it was It was Jasmine bringing out this
Speaker 2: off and I'm like, bet you go my suitcase find
Speaker 2: a strip club clothes.
Speaker 3: Right, But no, because that did work. That skirt would polewark,
Speaker 3: That skirt would have been a garden.
Speaker 1: It would have discovered half a nip, just half.
Speaker 3: It would have been a scrunchy.
Speaker 2: She wore that and did fantastic dancing. She had a
Speaker 2: pole that was not a stripper pole.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she really did. It was impressive that had a
Speaker 1: weight limit and it was Jasmine's weight.
Speaker 3: It was that was literally just a pole attached to
Speaker 3: the bar that it was ceiling, and she was out
Speaker 3: there shaking ass.
Speaker 1: And shout out to everyone for rising to thecation. Because
Speaker 1: not only did Jazz go full force for the bachelor party,
Speaker 1: but Magic Johnny came in full force for the bachelorette.
Speaker 1: I mean, and it's funny because I feel like in
Speaker 1: his interviews when you watch a part of him seems
Speaker 1: like he's kind of like, I don't even know what's
Speaker 1: happening right now right, and.
Speaker 3: Then he's like you, but I'm gonna shoot my shot.
Speaker 3: I'm shooting shot. Yeah, so good.
Speaker 2: I mean, everybody was like, you miss half the shots,
Speaker 2: you don't take right, And they were like, I'm going
Speaker 2: for it. I know this is a bachelor party for
Speaker 2: your husband, but I'm also going to kiss you adoring it.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna stick my as in your face.
Speaker 3: And to go to the bachelor party. They committed so hard.
Speaker 1: They brought paesels, they really did, and some coins. I
Speaker 1: think they had some of the crowd none of that, okay,
Speaker 1: none of the coins in the strip club.
Speaker 3: They should know that.
Speaker 1: That used to be the mystery to me. By the way,
Speaker 1: this is a little tangent, but I used to wonder
Speaker 1: so much, like, Okay, what in countries where the coins
Speaker 1: are the currency.
Speaker 3: For certain you find you find paper?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I heard, I found out how that works. But
Speaker 1: I was so curious for such a long time. But
Speaker 1: it was so entertaining to watch that. And then we
Speaker 1: go to these dailies.
Speaker 4: Today it's gonna be played and teams of four because
Speaker 4: you can see there's a giant wall with a bunch
Speaker 4: of holes in it, suspended over the water.
Speaker 5: Your goal is.
Speaker 4: To make it from one platform to the other using
Speaker 4: only those two bars as a walkway.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Car and I are on the same team. Think
Speaker 2: we're doing an okay job. And then we timed.
Speaker 3: Guys were slow as hell.
Speaker 1: You were steady, but shut up, shut up.
Speaker 3: You didn't have to do any of You.
Speaker 1: Guys were slow. But to be fair, you guys were
Speaker 1: the first team to go, and that's always the hardest.
Speaker 1: And so your strategy was great because you nobody fell
Speaker 1: or dropped one of the pegs. But you guys were
Speaker 1: very You guys, I think were halfway through the board
Speaker 1: by the time a little more.
Speaker 3: Than halfway and halfway more. But we didn't even talk
Speaker 3: about how my best friend went home.
Speaker 4: Frank, I've talked to the challenge doctor and they said
Speaker 4: that you have a viral infection.
Speaker 5: What you said that you're very contagious.
Speaker 4: What so I can't have you in the house. I
Speaker 4: gotta let you go, man, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: And I was standing right next to him. I was,
Speaker 1: so you were so worried.
Speaker 3: Not not you moving in line. I don't know who
Speaker 3: it was.
Speaker 1: It might have been No, that was no, it was
Speaker 1: Johnny who moved in line. But I was on the
Speaker 1: other side of me as TJ delivered.
Speaker 3: And I was fine. It just made me upset because
Speaker 3: imagine if Frank had stayed there, what kind of game
Speaker 3: that would have It would have Yeah, it would have
Speaker 3: changed so much.
Speaker 2: And he was so upset because like it's not he
Speaker 2: had a fever. He was just in his room and I'm.
Speaker 3: Like, come on, I need you to like be at
Speaker 3: the parties and like have come with us. And it
Speaker 3: was just sad.
Speaker 2: You never want to see anybody go out like that,
Speaker 2: especially some some promise that would have brought some drama.
Speaker 2: He's another one that just talked his ship. Yeah, shout
Speaker 2: out to doctor Frank.
Speaker 1: Yes, doctor Frank. It was sad to see LaToya go though.
Speaker 1: And look, while I'm glad the car was there, it
Speaker 1: was no. It's no shade to Kara. Just first of all,
Speaker 1: Latoya's commentary one is just in the house.
Speaker 3: It was just I mean, and this is this is
Speaker 3: the bounce out episode. This is episode four that we're
Speaker 3: talking about. Just so you don't get any confusion about anything.
Speaker 3: So basically, we just have to get inside these gigantic
Speaker 3: Gerbil balls and bounce each other all around.
Speaker 5: Once you score, Group B is gonna come out. First
Speaker 5: team to score three points win today's challenge, be safe
Speaker 5: from elimination, and also be choosing one guy and one
Speaker 5: girl from the losing team send him to the elimination round.
Speaker 1: Hilarious. Isaac did a piss poor performance. I mean, like
Speaker 1: a dead turtle.
Speaker 3: If we didn't talk shit about that guy and we
Speaker 3: loved Isaac, yes, I do love it, But when you
Speaker 3: mess up in a challenge.
Speaker 1: He would just fall over.
Speaker 3: Like he would just fall over like a beetle on
Speaker 3: its bast just like kind his hands and feet and
Speaker 3: because he's talking.
Speaker 1: To the camera and He's like, well, it's round two.
Speaker 1: They're up by two. We need one more point to
Speaker 1: keep it in the game. Our strategy is to do
Speaker 1: what we did last time.
Speaker 3: And I was like, no, it's not it's the opposite
Speaker 3: of what we did last time. I can't. But he
Speaker 3: was entertainment too, so it's like you didn't want to
Speaker 3: see You didn't want those kind of people leaving. You
Speaker 3: had him, you had Leroy. Hudda was funny as.
Speaker 1: Khudda was very funny. Swift I actually forgot this. Swift
Speaker 1: was funny and swift imitating Preston coming up like a
Speaker 1: crane in the balls game, being like a craw and
Speaker 1: then he was falling over in his chair in the interview.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, that was so good, Doude. You remember
Speaker 3: that Preston threw up before every challenge because we got
Speaker 3: nervous Preston. I hope, I hope intestinal problems have decided.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I do remember that.
Speaker 3: That is so funny. I can't.
Speaker 1: We just everybody was.
Speaker 3: It was pure comedy.
Speaker 1: It really really was.
Speaker 2: And let me tell you, guys a little bit of
Speaker 2: what they didn't show and what no one has said yet.
Speaker 2: We did not I repeat, did not have a kitchen
Speaker 2: or dining room table.
Speaker 3: M m, you know what, that's good point. So we
Speaker 3: ate standing up and we would wait for somebody to
Speaker 3: wash off a fork because we didn't have enough or plates,
Speaker 3: so I kept all mine on my cubby upstairs.
Speaker 2: That God was in cell block D. Yeah, people, and
Speaker 2: we literally would stand up or sit on the counter
Speaker 2: and eat dinner, you're.
Speaker 1: Right, or sit in the couches and that living or
Speaker 1: you know that giant the deliberation or the voting couch
Speaker 1: or whatever is where a lot of times.
Speaker 3: People would eat.
Speaker 1: Yeah, girl, I didn't realize we didn't have a tape.
Speaker 2: We had a basketball court, but we did not did
Speaker 2: have anywhere to eat.
Speaker 1: Proof. Like in life, you can't have it all of you.
Speaker 3: So you could have a mansion on a beach that
Speaker 3: you can't go on.
Speaker 2: Yes, with a basketball court you could play on, Yes,
Speaker 2: but there's there's nowhere to eat one place.
Speaker 1: That is true. Cannot have it all.
Speaker 3: You got a pick and choosee you got a pick
Speaker 3: and chooese.
Speaker 1: Wait, So let's talk about the uh the like iconic
Speaker 1: moment of the episodes. Okay, and then the thing that
Speaker 1: we want to leave in the past. All right, I
Speaker 1: will go for not a note.
Speaker 3: I do have my name. I have to think on
Speaker 3: the fly, I pulled up my notes.
Speaker 1: I have to say that the iconic it's actually a tie.
Speaker 1: There's two iconic moments for me and this, these episodes collectively,
Speaker 1: which would be Latoya's clapbacks. All I asked is that
Speaker 1: if you want to vote me in, be man enough
Speaker 1: to tell me don't share a bag of chips with me,
Speaker 1: and then turn around us throw my name out there
Speaker 1: like it's all good, no bitch, just as all of them,
Speaker 1: all of them, all of them, all of them will
Speaker 1: live in infamy for me and Swift imitating Preston and
Speaker 1: then falling over in the chair that that level of comedy,
Speaker 1: it's so pure and so great. Go back and just
Speaker 1: I actually did rewind and watch at those pieces again
Speaker 1: because they were so funny. And then the thing that
Speaker 1: I want left behind is defending trash ass behavior just
Speaker 1: because you're digmatized. Okay, now I know that this was
Speaker 1: back then. I get so none of this, please, none
Speaker 1: of this is like a reflection of now, because we're
Speaker 1: just talking about what we saw then. But the way
Speaker 1: that Jay Money Jordan talked to you know, some of
Speaker 1: the girls house, which is not great. And I get
Speaker 1: he the moment, I get that he and Justica had history.
Speaker 1: I get it all that, but just still not it
Speaker 1: really wasn't great. And then for Laurel to come in
Speaker 1: and try to tell LaToya to calm down, you know, like,
Speaker 1: you know, calm down or channel that energy into the game,
Speaker 1: like if you were voted in, like it's whatever, we
Speaker 1: can do whatever we want, and try and like get
Speaker 1: LaToya to back off of Jordan, when LaToya had every
Speaker 1: right to be upset because he ate some her chips.
Speaker 1: And then when LaToya says right, when LaToya says, well,
Speaker 1: you need to check your man and talk to him,
Speaker 1: and then Laurrea's like, oh, that's not my job. It's
Speaker 1: not my position to check him. Then, bitch, why is
Speaker 1: your position him? You're behind and here trying to check me.
Speaker 1: Akaa LaToya about how mad I am that he voted
Speaker 1: me in, Like just defending toxic trash behavior. I hope
Speaker 1: we've all grown past that. I'm sure many of us have.
Speaker 1: But if you're listening, if you have friends that have
Speaker 1: a habit of doing that, make them watch this episode.
Speaker 1: And then point it out to them. But that is
Speaker 1: the thing I'd like to leave.
Speaker 3: This accountability, damn it.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't always have to ride with your person
Speaker 1: if anything, like what LaToya said is if you really
Speaker 1: ride with someone, if they're your friend, check there your lover. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you don't have to check them in front of the group,
Speaker 1: but you do pull the inside and you're like, hey,
Speaker 1: that that wasn't good and your wig is crooked, you
Speaker 1: know whatever, you like, you.
Speaker 3: Really don't think it was bad, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: There's that side.
Speaker 1: So it's yeah, there's that, you know.
Speaker 2: We also it's it was a very different time. Well,
Speaker 2: I'll tell you my moment. Please do Oh Preston, you
Speaker 2: swan how you just shoved shoved your little body? You
Speaker 2: went from last to first with yes he did, and
Speaker 2: but let's leave.
Speaker 3: That in the past.
Speaker 1: Wait, you're leaving Preston's victorious performing in the past or no?
Speaker 2: Yes, he is our moment of the episode. But I
Speaker 2: mean there were two episodes. Whatever, it doesn't wrong.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's collectively, but let's leave that in the past.
Speaker 2: What would I leave in the past overinflated egos? No?
Speaker 3: She said what she said?
Speaker 2: No, but there were so many of them. Everybody had
Speaker 2: there was an ego. It's not I have one. I mean,
Speaker 2: I'd like to leave mine in the past. I would
Speaker 2: like to leave that episode four in the past. That's
Speaker 2: what I would like to leave in the past.
Speaker 1: But seeing that feistiness, though, is good and you look
Speaker 1: good doing it.
Speaker 3: So girls, listen that that BCBG leather top was an
Speaker 3: extra small girl. Not today, not today, but my weed
Speaker 3: was sitting in that interview. That's the only thing I
Speaker 3: will you will keep is that and fashion corner. I'm sorry,
Speaker 3: but it's gonna have to go right to miss Jasmine.
Speaker 3: Nobody told you to bring that Britney Spears little right situation,
Speaker 3: but you fucking she did.
Speaker 1: Do you stay ready so you don't have to get
Speaker 1: ready right as we Jazz did.
Speaker 2: Listen as much as these are the cringiest episodes I've
Speaker 2: ever watched, and I will continue to cringe and fum fact,
Speaker 2: I have not watched this season all the way through before,
Speaker 2: so I'm gonna really yeah.
Speaker 3: After I was off it, I was like, that's fair.
Speaker 2: But it is just a breath of fresh air to
Speaker 2: like be able to look at ourselves.
Speaker 3: And just laugh.
Speaker 2: It is like I'm not mad and even like talking
Speaker 2: to car like not mad.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, no ill feelings to anything with that.
Speaker 1: Why don't we go and take a quick break. But
Speaker 1: you guys coming up, we have an amazing interview. You
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Speaker 1: All right, you guys have asked, I told you, We
Speaker 1: read the comments and we listened. And Anissa and I
Speaker 1: are so excited to have this guest here today to
Speaker 1: catch up. She is a badass, She is an icon.
Speaker 1: She looks phenomenal in red hair in a way that
Speaker 1: no one else can pull it off. Purple as well.
Speaker 1: We are talking about the Kara Riakara.
Speaker 6: Wow, what an intro. I think this is the first
Speaker 6: time castmates have been happy to have me off for
Speaker 6: a minute. This is like great, welcome, thank you.
Speaker 1: We are so glad to have you here.
Speaker 3: Have you done any other Yeah, no.
Speaker 6: I just mean in general, like Kara appearing anywhere, it's
Speaker 6: usually not very.
Speaker 1: So excited to have you here and catch up. Also
Speaker 1: to talk with you about free agents. Anissa and I
Speaker 1: have thoughts, We rewatch them, thoughts, thoughts, you have questions,
Speaker 1: We have so many, so many things.
Speaker 6: All right, let's dive into it.
Speaker 3: Cara, what challenge was this for you?
Speaker 6: You'd have to google it. I have no idea. I'm
Speaker 6: so bad at trivia that you can ask me about
Speaker 6: my own history and the challenge and I'll still screw
Speaker 6: it up.
Speaker 3: I'll get.
Speaker 1: Point noted if ever, competing against Kara, do so in
Speaker 1: a trivia challenge, because that would be one opportunity potentially
Speaker 1: to win.
Speaker 3: You never know she could get better. You got better
Speaker 3: at puzzles.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I did puzzles. It's hit or miss with me,
Speaker 6: but I always prefer to get my hands dirty.
Speaker 3: Mm hmmm.
Speaker 1: And that you did on this season for sure. By
Speaker 1: being I mean your relationship with the draw and the
Speaker 1: kill card throughout Free Agents as a whole. You guys
Speaker 1: are very close, Kara. How did you feel about having that,
Speaker 1: that relationship with the draw?
Speaker 6: It was the complete Like Johnny Riley had the luck
Speaker 6: of the Irish and I just had. I don't know
Speaker 6: I should have. I should have played the lottery after that,
Speaker 6: like just apparently whenever the kill card was there, it
Speaker 6: just summoned me to touch it and flip it and
Speaker 6: take part. I wanted to do just one of every
Speaker 6: of the eliminations.
Speaker 1: And I think I did.
Speaker 6: I think I did. I was able to do every
Speaker 6: one of them, every one of them. I wist.
Speaker 1: I know every time I saw you in the draw,
Speaker 1: I was excited. Not because I wanted you in the
Speaker 1: draw but you weren't in No, I was excited because
Speaker 1: if I was in the draw and car was in
Speaker 1: the draw, then that meant I probably wasn't going to
Speaker 1: pull the quille car and car.
Speaker 6: Was You played the most flawless game, honestly, Devin, Like
Speaker 6: I tell everybody, like, here's the deal people. It's funny
Speaker 6: because people usually only remember the eliminations. Who wins the elimination,
Speaker 6: Like this was my crowning season. This was not when
Speaker 6: I was in it. I was in you know, the worst,
Speaker 6: Like what is life when I was in it? But
Speaker 6: that is the season everybody talks about the most when
Speaker 6: it comes to my challenge career, that and obviously then
Speaker 6: the bloodlines and the vendetta is But when it comes
Speaker 6: to making it to a final the smartest way physically
Speaker 6: to get there is by not seeing an elimination. You
Speaker 6: don't chance any injuries all what happened to me, and
Speaker 6: you are fresh as a daisy and ready to go,
Speaker 6: and it's one hundred percent chance you were in that final.
Speaker 6: That is extremely smart. Mentally, though, I think going through
Speaker 6: two or three eliminations and then getting to the final
Speaker 6: gives you more of a drive and a fire than
Speaker 6: anybody who didn't have to fight as hard for it.
Speaker 6: So while physically I think it's the best gameplay absolutely
Speaker 6: to get to a final, for me personally, I know
Speaker 6: that when I don't see an elimination, I kind of
Speaker 6: just fizzle out, like that fire is not there. So
Speaker 6: and I've noticed that lately, Like you know, in my
Speaker 6: my later seasons, when I became better at challenges, I
Speaker 6: didn't have as much fire as I needed in the
Speaker 6: final you know, so like I like having to fight
Speaker 6: for it. It It just it helps me mentally to like,
Speaker 6: you know, you just never quit and you give it
Speaker 6: all out. So but you and way better game. Bro.
Speaker 1: All I did was say some prayers, let people do
Speaker 1: what make up. I was just in my own world, honestly,
Speaker 1: I really and that, and I tried to be honest,
Speaker 1: Like honestly, I really try to be honest, meaning if
Speaker 1: I was going to say someone's name, I would tell
Speaker 1: them beforehand.
Speaker 3: That was just standard.
Speaker 1: I really just tried to be like like I would
Speaker 1: never say one thing to one person and then not.
Speaker 1: And the only time I ever turned on a person
Speaker 1: was because they turned on us first, and then I
Speaker 1: told the person I was turning on them. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I just tried to try to be honest. But I
Speaker 1: think the way both of you kicked ass this season,
Speaker 1: and we are both are known as elimination queens. Really
Speaker 1: like there is a fight. That's one of those things
Speaker 1: that no one can take from you. And I imagine,
Speaker 1: like you said, Kara, it gives like an added strength
Speaker 1: just in terms of what you're capable of, not only
Speaker 1: in the Challenge House, but in life and just all.
Speaker 2: It definitely makes it that much sweeter I think when
Speaker 2: you like have to fight for it. I mean, granted,
Speaker 2: I almost got through one season without seeing one, but
Speaker 2: it also made me realize like why I was still
Speaker 2: there and why I was still fighting, and that I
Speaker 2: still like can kick ass. It's like it kind of
Speaker 2: like gives you some like fire and some confidence back
Speaker 2: in like you know, you can win challenges and whatever.
Speaker 2: I feel like it just I don't know, it just
Speaker 2: does something. It's kind of magical in there, and it
Speaker 2: also makes other people scared.
Speaker 1: That's what I was about to say it of you
Speaker 1: all in general, nobody wants to see.
Speaker 3: You in an elimination. Nobody wanted to, especially with Naya.
Speaker 2: If you see the difference between Kara and Ia, and
Speaker 2: like clearly Kara always had guns as in arms guys.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, good catch, good catch.
Speaker 2: She was always like physically fit, and then Nya was
Speaker 2: a bigger girl than her.
Speaker 3: And when we say bigger, I mean just like taller.
Speaker 6: She's bigger there for sure. Like she was like a
Speaker 6: half bet.
Speaker 2: To lose that one. Carra was definitely the underdog in that.
Speaker 2: But like if you could pull someone bigger than you
Speaker 2: and a fight that you probably weren't supposed to win,
Speaker 2: like in people's eyes right and mine, right, that is
Speaker 2: size difference wise, It's that's an amazing type of win.
Speaker 1: Did you feel like an underdog? It's you bring up
Speaker 1: an interesting point, Anissa Carr, Did you feel like an
Speaker 1: underdog that season?
Speaker 6: I think I have always, I mean especially in the
Speaker 6: obviously the beginning of my challenge wher in the middle.
Speaker 6: I've always felt in the underdog position. I think a
Speaker 6: lot of people when they meet me are surprised at
Speaker 6: how tiny I am. So yeah, I have muscles, but
Speaker 6: I'm fatite. I'm smaller in stature compared to a lot
Speaker 6: of the other Challenge women probably, but it's I don't
Speaker 6: I have a lot of fight in me. There's like
Speaker 6: so much fight in this dog. I'm telling you, Like,
Speaker 6: if you put there's a difference between in the first
Speaker 6: half of my challenge, where like where I would do
Speaker 6: a challenge and I'd be like, oh, I don't know
Speaker 6: what if I fall?
Speaker 3: What?
Speaker 6: Like I always hesitate in the challenges, but there was
Speaker 6: zero hesitation in an elimination with me. Like when I
Speaker 6: am in the arena that is my home, it is
Speaker 6: do or die, and it's like I leave everything on
Speaker 6: the field. And in that elimination with Naya, I looked
Speaker 6: at it. I was like I knew it. I knew
Speaker 6: I was gonna go against you. Like I looked at it.
Speaker 6: I was like, I knew this was gonna happen. I
Speaker 6: knew you were gonna be mine. I think I said that,
Speaker 6: and you know, against heart was like, I'm so thankful
Speaker 6: that they never the the elimination was never reset. Like
Speaker 6: a time, it ran down to who's gonna dig it
Speaker 6: out the longest, who's got the most grits, every bit
Speaker 6: of her weight digging into the sand is pulling into
Speaker 6: my shoulders.
Speaker 3: It is agonizing, And it was a long time. It
Speaker 3: was like I thought it was never gonna I was like,
Speaker 3: are we sleeping?
Speaker 1: Yeah? It just that was a very long time. And
Speaker 1: I remember Car you showed us like when you got
Speaker 1: back to the house and you're taking your shirt off.
Speaker 1: The amount of bruises that were like across your shoulders
Speaker 1: and your chest. Can you tell us a little bit
Speaker 1: more about that and what the aftermath was from doing
Speaker 1: that particular elimination.
Speaker 6: So this this was the first time this elimination was
Speaker 6: played on this season. So the next time it came about,
Speaker 6: you know, those modifications, like they learned, you know, so
Speaker 6: it's like let's add padding, let's you know, let's move
Speaker 6: the so it's not so much.
Speaker 1: Torque tork, you know things.
Speaker 6: Some things were changed, you know, and so but I'm
Speaker 6: thankful everything was as it was with me because I remember,
Speaker 6: and I'll tell you in a second, like the bruising
Speaker 6: and what happened and losing complete feeling in my arms,
Speaker 6: and the same happened in Naya, Like we lost complete
Speaker 6: like my my whole left arm was dead, it was numb.
Speaker 6: I was like, I might have screwed something up. I
Speaker 6: can't even pick my arm up. But I'm not gonna
Speaker 6: tell anybody. I'm just gonna shut up and keep pushing.
Speaker 6: And I remember just being in that elimination as it was,
Speaker 6: and like any little centimeter that I was able to
Speaker 6: dig out like a little turtle in the sand. Cet
Speaker 6: would like lose his ship. Every time I looked up
Speaker 6: at ct is like his big blue eyes would just
Speaker 6: like get bug right out, like literally.
Speaker 2: I mean there was a lot of people hanging over yeah,
Speaker 2: but I like was zone then on the other side.
Speaker 2: It did make me realize that you and Johnny had
Speaker 2: that rivalry for so long. But to back up further,
Speaker 2: do you think I find this to be like, they're
Speaker 2: not a lot of us that started, you know, have
Speaker 2: done so many seasons, whether consecutively or not from the beginning.
Speaker 2: Do you think like getting older, you just stop giving
Speaker 2: a shit like what people think what's going on? You
Speaker 2: just go in there and you're like fuck it. And
Speaker 2: do you think that that has anything to do with
Speaker 2: like actually winning dailies and like doing better in the
Speaker 2: challenge itself.
Speaker 6: I think just us. I think just the experience. I
Speaker 6: think because I'd never done sports in my life and
Speaker 6: showing up on the challenge, I had no idea what
Speaker 6: I was doing. And still the challenge will always challenge you.
Speaker 6: You could be the most physically in shape gym rat
Speaker 6: in the world and they'll pull out some thing that
Speaker 6: you have some like minute to win it like, how
Speaker 6: the hell do you figure this out? And the only
Speaker 6: person I know they could figure out everything on our feet,
Speaker 6: honestly is Laurel. But most most people it's like, what
Speaker 6: the heck is this? I've never played this game before,
Speaker 6: so I just think the only thing that's made me
Speaker 6: more confident is just like the experience. And yeah, I
Speaker 6: give I'm like, I know I've fallen before. It's a
Speaker 6: million times here we go again, so it's yeah, but
Speaker 6: I definitely definitely miss it. But I do love eliminations
Speaker 6: more than challenges. I'll say that. Oddly, I don't know why.
Speaker 6: I think it's like I feel like when I go
Speaker 6: into an elimination that it's wwe right, and I've got
Speaker 6: the whole crowd, and I'm just gonna like ham it up.
Speaker 6: Like I think if I have a word to come back,
Speaker 6: it would be more exciting for me to go in
Speaker 6: again and be able to play and get my hands
Speaker 6: dirty and just ham it up and know that like,
Speaker 6: when you're an elimination, it's not the end of the world.
Speaker 6: It's a chance to fight to stay in the house.
Speaker 6: No matter what it is, it's your chance. It's in
Speaker 6: your hands. You could get voted in every time, but
Speaker 6: it's in your hands if you go home or not,
Speaker 6: no matter what it is. And like I think, just
Speaker 6: it's just it's so cool because all lives are on you.
Speaker 6: People forget who won the challenge, I forgot, but who
Speaker 6: won the elimination I remember, you know.
Speaker 1: So I love that positive outlook.
Speaker 3: That's so good.
Speaker 1: That's a good positive spin. It's a positive.
Speaker 7: I mean, I still don't want to go to an elimation,
Speaker 7: but that is a fair Some people thrive in high
Speaker 7: stress atmospheres and for some reason, like I do, just
Speaker 7: always feel like we're a band of band of misfits,
Speaker 7: you know, on the challenge, like this band of just
Speaker 7: really interesting folks.
Speaker 1: I feel like this season was really that by the way,
Speaker 1: I loved it. Yeah, it's people did not give a ship.
Speaker 1: It was so funny, and they were all different.
Speaker 2: Everybody had their strengths and weaknesses, and it was you know,
Speaker 2: and I no one was afraid to fight.
Speaker 6: I miss I missed that. I'll be honest with you.
Speaker 6: We had there was so much your your laugh and
Speaker 6: it's cringey because of how emotional we were so invested.
Speaker 6: But like and I haven't, you know, caught up in
Speaker 6: a little bit. I don't know what what the challenge
Speaker 6: world is like these days. But from what I from,
Speaker 6: what different from what I know, you know, is back then,
Speaker 6: there was so much fire, There was so much fight.
Speaker 6: It was do or die. Everything was real, and that
Speaker 6: was like it was just real. And I think now,
Speaker 6: you know, from the maybe the newer people are just like, well,
Speaker 6: you know, I know, I'll just get called, I'll get
Speaker 6: my money. I don't really care. It's like there's not
Speaker 6: that that fire that I think we all had. Like
Speaker 6: Jasmine Crime, like she was like she wanted it so bad.
Speaker 6: It's not just a guarantee like, oh I'm coming back.
Speaker 6: I really don't care. Let me just be nice to everybody,
Speaker 6: you know, like we.
Speaker 1: Were relatability that was that was there. There was an
Speaker 1: authenticity where it wasn't just all pro athletes, right Like
Speaker 1: I mean, I remember there'd be a handful of people
Speaker 1: in the house that would be in the gym. No,
Speaker 1: but even those who seem like they don't work out,
Speaker 1: like even those who's like sort of vibe is, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm just chilling in the house when we've interviewed them
Speaker 1: here on this podcast and you talk to them. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: they're secretly training before they go, like they're really whereas
Speaker 1: on this show, you know, good and well, Jasmine didn't
Speaker 1: train anything except for maybe a to work in that outfit.
Speaker 1: That was all she came prepared with, ashers held, she
Speaker 1: really did. We're talking about Nanni's backsorette card I remember
Speaker 1: remember the backsurette we threw for Nanni and Kahada. So
Speaker 1: Jasmine was on the magic mic and then Nannie kissed
Speaker 1: magic mic.
Speaker 6: That is that was for the days. Like I said,
Speaker 6: not only like the authenticity we had. The fights were real.
Speaker 6: The way that we felt about each other in the moment,
Speaker 6: it was real. It was passionate, and it's like, you know,
Speaker 6: not to throw it back to you know, this newer generation,
Speaker 6: this newer prop that's been coming in since I've been chilling,
Speaker 6: you know, not to bring up maybe Paulie, but I like,
Speaker 6: there's the thing I love about him is, yes, he's
Speaker 6: had his moments where we can all you know, people
Speaker 6: want to make fun of him for his moments, but
Speaker 6: the man does not quit. He is passionate. He is
Speaker 6: like not the thing I love about him and what
Speaker 6: I was hoping to see more from from new people,
Speaker 6: or what I would like to hear from more new
Speaker 6: people is just like that that fire would come in
Speaker 6: and not just kiss the ring and just be like,
Speaker 6: let me be best friends with everybody, because I want to,
Speaker 6: you know, make sure that I'm okay coming in just
Speaker 6: like that real authentic fire, and he has that, and
Speaker 6: I would definitely love to see a lot of him,
Speaker 6: and especially see him in a uh physical elimination. To
Speaker 6: be honest with you, I'd really like to see that
Speaker 6: going forward, just as there's.
Speaker 2: A few of the new people. Look, I feel like
Speaker 2: Arassio and I feel.
Speaker 6: Like Johnny knew Johnny I've heard about.
Speaker 3: Assio is something you would love it.
Speaker 2: I mean, he's a gem and he's beautiful, but he's
Speaker 2: so athletic and so passionate.
Speaker 3: He gets pissed when he loses. He's like he has that.
Speaker 6: I've heard that from people about him.
Speaker 3: That's nice too.
Speaker 2: So it's like, well, Johnny was really good too, but
Speaker 2: he got eliminated early.
Speaker 3: He has that.
Speaker 1: I'd say Olivia too, I mean broke her face and
Speaker 1: wanted to keep going like she broke in places.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I heard about that. Yeah, Okay, I heard.
Speaker 1: I think there are people that have fire, but I
Speaker 1: just think as someone who's so far removed from it now,
Speaker 1: like myself, there's just a relatability that was that we had.
Speaker 1: I feel like when in the Free Agencies and walking back,
Speaker 1: even in interviews, the amount of hysterical. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you remember when we had to get in those
Speaker 1: inflatable balls on the sand and basically play soccer, but
Speaker 1: we're like bumping heads with our bodies. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: it was hysterical the commentary and like Isaac falling over
Speaker 1: himself time I was.
Speaker 6: I remember I was on your team again to take
Speaker 6: out Johnny so many times. Yes, my little ass and
Speaker 6: a freaking bubble was going to do anything. I bounced off.
Speaker 1: You guys were going head to head. Card to the commentary, he.
Speaker 2: Bounced all of us on our asses and we were like,
Speaker 2: all right, get back up.
Speaker 6: Do you like he had it?
Speaker 3: I don't know to corner him with Johnny.
Speaker 6: I don't know if it's like, you know, the the
Speaker 6: let's be you know eventually, Like I don't know if
Speaker 6: it's just because he had a secret crush on me,
Speaker 6: but like this guy had me like to the wall
Speaker 6: every time. That first challenge on free agents going up
Speaker 6: the stairs, he made his mission to close line me
Speaker 6: hadn't be choked out going up the stairs, so I
Speaker 6: couldn't even go up the stairs. I'm like, what is
Speaker 6: this man's you know, thing for me here?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 6: He was very aggressive.
Speaker 3: Steps have you guys, Have you guys reconciled that? Now?
Speaker 3: Where is that that rivalry with that?
Speaker 6: I'm I don't really know where it stands. All I
Speaker 6: know is like at one point he was like, you know,
Speaker 6: let's be uh the king and Queen to the challenge.
Speaker 6: What if what if I dated if Paully dated Natalie
Speaker 6: and like we dated each other kind of thing, and
Speaker 6: then uh, you know, maybe that's why he doesn't like
Speaker 6: Polly so much, the crush on me. We'll leave it
Speaker 6: at that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this whole time.
Speaker 6: Yeah, here's the thing. I feel like I was never
Speaker 6: that person. I think people learned real quick with me
Speaker 6: that like when your phone calls would come out and
Speaker 6: they'd be like, hey, hey, you're gonna be on it, Hey,
Speaker 6: you're going to be on it, and to me that
Speaker 6: just like it used to make me mad because it's
Speaker 6: like you don't talk to me or check on me
Speaker 6: outside of this, but you're just calling to see from
Speaker 6: a beyond it so that I can have your back.
Speaker 6: Like that's not me. I'm not going to be like,
Speaker 6: let me go out and take pictures with people to
Speaker 6: be like, oh, I'm here with this person. And I
Speaker 6: just feel like there's so much fakeness. Like I know
Speaker 6: we were authentic in our emotions and how we were
Speaker 6: and that realness and relatability when we were when we
Speaker 6: were competing, but I feel outside of it, I'm just
Speaker 6: very like I just have so much going on in
Speaker 6: my life, especially now, and I've got so much cool
Speaker 6: things that like I just kind of keep to people
Speaker 6: who give me peace and give me happiness. And I
Speaker 6: feel like the people that are that are my fellow competitors,
Speaker 6: I would call them is just what it is. Those
Speaker 6: are those are coworkers, Whereas I feel like a lot
Speaker 6: of people and I'm stupid, you know, Like I think
Speaker 6: the political game is a huge part of it to
Speaker 6: show for all those people that are best friends that
Speaker 6: vacation on and off the show, that are like, let's
Speaker 6: do everything together, let's be besties for life. That's great.
Speaker 6: That helps you out in the show that's huge. That's
Speaker 6: a huge part of the game is political. But I'm
Speaker 6: very stubborn and I'm like, I would rather just live
Speaker 6: my life outside. And if I ever go back to compete,
Speaker 6: you'll see me when I'm there. You won't know I'm coming,
Speaker 6: and I'll just show up and do work. And I've
Speaker 6: always kind of relied on that.
Speaker 1: In the house though, you were very very close to
Speaker 1: lay like this was the beginning of the fracture, or
Speaker 1: maybe it was the combination of the fractures, like the
Speaker 1: relationship with Laurel. But at the time you guys were
Speaker 1: you were calling yourselves best friends and were like thieves
Speaker 1: and at the hip, and I presume you were hanging
Speaker 1: out even outside of the Challenge house prior.
Speaker 3: To coming in on free Agents, keeping in touch.
Speaker 6: She she was somebody I almost considered her like a
Speaker 6: sister at that time. And then she I don't know,
Speaker 6: things got weird, like with her being best friends with
Speaker 6: like Jessica. I don't know what she was doing, just
Speaker 6: I think things got weird in the house. I don't
Speaker 6: really know how to explain it, but that's what I
Speaker 6: remember about that.
Speaker 1: Was it because she was dating Jordan, Like it did
Speaker 1: seem weird. It's like there was this weird dynamic that
Speaker 1: ultimately giving it away to listeners. Although this season's been
Speaker 1: out for nine years, you probably don't, but uh that
Speaker 1: you know comes to a head. Did you guys ever
Speaker 1: even try to talk or fit because you guys came
Speaker 1: in the house loving each other, left the house almost
Speaker 1: like not speaking right or really just not being on
Speaker 1: the same side. Did you did either of you try
Speaker 1: to reconcile after free agents.
Speaker 6: I'm just pretty sure she's going to be my rival forever.
Speaker 3: Okay, there's some relationships you just can't repair. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: you just kind of got it.
Speaker 6: There's no there's no hate like I'll be honest you, like,
Speaker 6: there's not one person like. I don't have hate for anybody.
Speaker 6: I truly don't like. I honestly am just like minded
Speaker 6: my business live in my life. I've grown up a lot,
Speaker 6: a lot because I know how I was back in
Speaker 6: those days. I cringe to either look at myself back
Speaker 6: in those days. I'll be honest with you, but I've
Speaker 6: I've just grown up a lot. I keep to myself
Speaker 6: and there's no hatred towards anybody. But there's an understanding
Speaker 6: of how people are and then with that knowledge how
Speaker 6: I operate around them all.
Speaker 2: I totally as there are new people, like I think
Speaker 2: we keep because the seasons are back to back and
Speaker 2: there are all these spinoffs, you end up seeing these.
Speaker 3: People way more than you ever have. We used to
Speaker 3: do them like what once a year or not.
Speaker 2: Everybody was called you could have a job, you could
Speaker 2: have a full time job.
Speaker 1: I have a job, me too.
Speaker 2: I had got back to it. I mean I didn't
Speaker 2: really have to get back. I got back to the
Speaker 2: stage when I could. But I was like, okay, cool,
Speaker 2: I got one friend and I'm sticking to it. But
Speaker 2: like other people, you just learn over time, like they'll show.
Speaker 3: Themselves, you know what I mean, and then you're like, okay.
Speaker 2: There's also this age discrepancy, like people that are twenty
Speaker 2: three and I'm forty one, like we're probably not gonna
Speaker 2: have like the same ideas about things or life or whatever.
Speaker 2: So it does become I look at it like, yes,
Speaker 2: a job, It definitely is.
Speaker 3: I've made a couple of cool friends from it.
Speaker 6: But I think now that I'm I'm older too. I
Speaker 6: think because when it started melting and doing so many
Speaker 6: in a row, I kind of lost myself. I lost
Speaker 6: like what's real and what's not real? And I was
Speaker 6: like reality Kara, like you know, and it was just
Speaker 6: it was just blurring the lines of my real life
Speaker 6: and the competition. And I feel like now I can
Speaker 6: understand like nothing, nothing will ever be taken personally anymore,
Speaker 6: because I'm like everything's a game. Everybody's trying to make
Speaker 6: their money, and like, as long as I do my
Speaker 6: absolute best, I don't, you know, in my opinion, I'm like,
Speaker 6: nobody'll beat me. It's only me that's gonna, you know,
Speaker 6: ruin it for myself. So whatever anybody else does around
Speaker 6: me or doesn't do, or if they have my back
Speaker 6: or they don't, it might hurt in the moment, I'll
Speaker 6: deal with it. You know, you're always gonna get a
Speaker 6: the car. But I just definitely feel like in these
Speaker 6: past three years, it's just been nice to be able
Speaker 6: to establish reality, my reality, my real life, and I
Speaker 6: don't ever want to go.
Speaker 3: Back to, you know, the losing yourself.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I definitely lost myself. I really did.
Speaker 1: What does that real life look like?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 1: For the for the people that have been inspired by
Speaker 1: you and your story, And I also just want to say,
Speaker 1: going back to something we said earlier about you sort
Speaker 1: of feeling like the underdog, or maybe some people seeing
Speaker 1: you as the underdog. You know, in living in a
Speaker 1: house with you, it always baffled me because there was
Speaker 1: never a moment. I don't know if it was your energy,
Speaker 1: I don't know, if it was how you carried yourself,
Speaker 1: I don't know, if it was your muscles, I don't know.
Speaker 1: But there was never a moment to me that you
Speaker 1: ever came across as under like you. From the moment
Speaker 1: I met you literally seemed like a powerhouse. And so
Speaker 1: when you went on to kick ass, it was not
Speaker 1: a oh, that's a shock, It was like, yeah, well
Speaker 1: that you know that tracks. So it's it's fascinating to
Speaker 1: me that you viewed yourself as an underdog. Yeah, assa,
Speaker 1: what are you?
Speaker 3: And I get what you're saying. I get what you're saying.
Speaker 2: I think that there have been like many versions, as
Speaker 2: all of us have experienced, And when I look at this,
Speaker 2: I mean there are a lot of versions of us.
Speaker 2: I think that I mean, politically, you have to find
Speaker 2: your way, friendships, finding a way. I think that.
Speaker 3: There were I'm saying, no, when you start That's what
Speaker 3: I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So like maybe not an underdog, like clearly not physically,
Speaker 2: but being thrown in a bunch, or being targeted or
Speaker 2: being talked about, or like dealing with your own ship.
Speaker 2: I feel like that's the part where like things are
Speaker 2: stacked against you, right, it doesn't have.
Speaker 3: To be like physical.
Speaker 1: I mean this time her and I don't know that,
Speaker 1: but but.
Speaker 3: Were stacked against her.
Speaker 6: If I was the first one in line, the last
Speaker 6: one in line.
Speaker 1: I even let you. I remember when it was just
Speaker 1: me and you once car and I let you pick.
Speaker 1: I let you pick which or what the order was,
Speaker 1: and then you got to go first and pick the card.
Speaker 1: And sure enough, the Lord was with me that day
Speaker 1: because I still didn't have to go exclimination because my
Speaker 1: ass would have gone home.
Speaker 6: It's really funny now I know you hate you.
Speaker 1: We actually got into it at the reunion because it's
Speaker 1: really the only time I've ever clapped back at a reunion,
Speaker 1: because I do think you were mad that I made
Speaker 1: it to the final without all in your eyes working
Speaker 1: for it. But we talked about this in the TSA line,
Speaker 1: and we've we've reckoned up, and you I forgot what
Speaker 1: you said about it, and I said something to the
Speaker 1: effect of, well, I just clapped back about like being
Speaker 1: in the gym versus like being social or something like that.
Speaker 1: It was funny in hindsight, but we just had very
Speaker 1: different games. The reality is is you were, You were
Speaker 1: and always will be a much stronger competitor, and but.
Speaker 6: You made it to the final, which is the point
Speaker 6: of the whole.
Speaker 2: Being that you guys like I know, I called myself
Speaker 2: a political mastermind now because it's fun, but really, I
Speaker 2: kid you not.
Speaker 1: There was no strategy. It was do make up. It
Speaker 1: was I'm not a drawn a person anywhere real life.
Speaker 1: I don't like, I don't get in my real life
Speaker 1: doesn't have a bunch of fights in it, Like that's
Speaker 1: just not my thing, So I don't that. And I
Speaker 1: was left on the back of the bus the one
Speaker 1: time there was a super big fight, So it just
Speaker 1: happened not to be there.
Speaker 3: There was not a strategic.
Speaker 1: Thing of be friends, be nice to this person, because
Speaker 1: there was honestly was just me and I was just
Speaker 1: as shocked as everybody else every time that I was there.
Speaker 1: For the following week, kid you not you?
Speaker 8: You definitely the thing about you Devin. If I remembering
Speaker 8: this season is like you were just you. You just
Speaker 8: did your thing, Like whether it was just I think
Speaker 8: you were you even in the guys room, yeah one point,
Speaker 8: the whole makeup aerread stuff, but like you were just you.
Speaker 8: And it's like we were just literally dealt different cards.
Speaker 8: And I think at the time and how young I
Speaker 8: was and my mentality, I was like everybody was elimination.
Speaker 6: And now as a person's been in a lot of eliminations,
Speaker 6: such as also Anissa, it's like, I'm like, it's honestly
Speaker 6: for me, I do I should, I should go into
Speaker 6: eliminations just because mentally it's gonna help me do better
Speaker 6: in the final. But want to if you But but honestly,
Speaker 6: if you can get to a final without seeing one,
Speaker 6: you played a flawless game, whether you won the challenges,
Speaker 6: you made the right friends, you you lucked out, whatever
Speaker 6: it was, you got there. And that is the whole
Speaker 6: point of the whole thing is to get there. So
Speaker 6: I would never look at anybody sideways for making it
Speaker 6: there without seeing elimination. I'm like, well, you just played
Speaker 6: better than I did, apparently, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6: Like that's how I am now as opposed to back then,
Speaker 6: I was like, I've got to force somebody else is
Speaker 6: gonna take a turn, Like I was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which iel you were feeling that way, I don't
Speaker 1: feel that way.
Speaker 3: I'm it just gets frustrating.
Speaker 6: You're so angry about the moment. But like, looking back,
Speaker 6: I'm like, that's one of my best seasons. Like it's
Speaker 6: so cool that I went to so many It's so
Speaker 6: cool that I got all those elimination wins. Like I
Speaker 6: can look back and be like really proud.
Speaker 1: I mean so much respect for you, like like killed it. Well,
Speaker 1: you did have a choice because while you didn't have
Speaker 1: a choice about whether or not you'd go into eliminations,
Speaker 1: you did have a choice in how you would use
Speaker 1: that fire, like how you would internalize that you know,
Speaker 1: how much you would fight the next round and every
Speaker 1: time you made the choice to fight, which is just
Speaker 1: like so badass and I know, inspirational even to people
Speaker 1: that are just now discovering this season, which is really
Speaker 1: really cool. Okay, we need to take a quick break,
Speaker 1: but don't go anywhere and we'll be right back after this. Now,
Speaker 1: two things that I because I know we're gonna get
Speaker 1: comments and tweets and all the things. If we don't
Speaker 1: ask so one, what is Kara? You kind of mention
Speaker 1: like what your life is like?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 1: What is Kara's life like?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 1: What does a day to day look like? With you? So?
Speaker 1: What do you do for work?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 1: What is what is car?
Speaker 6: Well? I you know what? That was the question I
Speaker 6: asked myself when I kind of you know, was away
Speaker 6: from the challenges for a bit, because all I was
Speaker 6: was I was card from the challenge. That's who I was.
Speaker 6: And I'd lost myself. And so when I, you know,
Speaker 6: the pandemic happened, things shifted around and I was just
Speaker 6: at home and I was like, who am I? And
Speaker 6: at that time, my horse also passed away. So my
Speaker 6: horse that I'd had since I was fourteen years old,
Speaker 6: I had her for twenty years of my life. She
Speaker 6: lived to thirty years old. She she passed away, and
Speaker 6: to me, I was like, who am I? Now I
Speaker 6: don't have my garnet, I'm not on the challenge. What
Speaker 6: am I doing? And it was in that moment Paulie
Speaker 6: was living with me, and I remember just being like
Speaker 6: what do I do? And Pauli's like, well, He's like
Speaker 6: you always love photography, Like you're always creeping around taking
Speaker 6: pictures of you know, giving everybody pictures of the night
Speaker 6: that I didn't know you took, Like, you know, why
Speaker 6: don't you get into why don't you start taking pictures again?
Speaker 6: And I remember being so unsure of myself and so
Speaker 6: insecure and not knowing like you know when you're like
Speaker 6: I could do a little bit of this. I do
Speaker 6: a little bit of this, and I just didn't have
Speaker 6: Oddly enough, I didn't have the confidence myself. People look
Speaker 6: at me and they're like you're confidence. I'm like no,
Speaker 6: I always question And in this moment, I was like,
Speaker 6: what if I look good? There's so many good people
Speaker 6: look at Instagram? Like how am I going to get
Speaker 6: like that? I don't have the equipment. I don't know
Speaker 6: where to start, I don't know what to do. And
Speaker 6: probably was like he got me the laptop, the you know,
Speaker 6: to get started on, and he's like, you're doing it.
Speaker 6: He goes get started, and he set me up with
Speaker 6: one of his friends who was a photographer, and he
Speaker 6: literally just like pushed me off the cliff to do it.
Speaker 6: Because I would have questioned. I would have said a
Speaker 6: million reasons why I shouldn't, I question myself and he
Speaker 6: gave me the shove, and with that I found so
Speaker 6: much happiness in finding my creativity again. So I do
Speaker 6: a lot of the photography for his He's got like
Speaker 6: a model, a talent model management thing, so we do
Speaker 6: events and stuff like that. So I do shoots with
Speaker 6: the girls, I'll do shoots with clients. I haven't gotten
Speaker 6: a chance to get back on horses again, which is sad,
Speaker 6: but I do Ultimately, when I settle down, I want
Speaker 6: to go to you know, the kill pens and Rescue two.
Speaker 6: When I finally stop traveling so much. I'm still working
Speaker 6: out once or twice a day because I need it
Speaker 6: from her.
Speaker 1: Arms car see those arms for the listeners, they look
Speaker 1: you might imagine thank you.
Speaker 6: And right now as we speak, I'm in the middle.
Speaker 6: I had turned my house into an airbnb because I
Speaker 6: didn't want to sell it. I thought, oh, I'll be
Speaker 6: going back to Montana. Let me freaking business me in Montana,
Speaker 6: Like what was I doing? Whole lot of that. But
Speaker 6: the months that it would it would rent out the
Speaker 6: most are the months that I wouldn't even be able
Speaker 6: to go there, because that's May, and that's the best
Speaker 6: time to be there. So I was like, so so
Speaker 6: there was just so I ended up just turning around.
Speaker 6: I got a really good offer for it, and I
Speaker 6: was like, you know what, I'm like, what if I
Speaker 6: wash my hands clean start a completely new chat there.
Speaker 6: Me and PAULI are now a road trip and he
Speaker 6: bought two units that he's renting out one of them.
Speaker 6: We're living in the other one, and then we find
Speaker 6: our new home, our new start, you know, then we'll
Speaker 6: rent out that all the one that we're staying in now.
Speaker 1: So where are you guys going to?
Speaker 6: We are in Florida now, no more shovel and snow.
Speaker 6: So I'm very excited. I love it. I love the beaches,
Speaker 6: that love the heat. I'm gonna find horses to ride, like,
Speaker 6: lots of models to take pictures of, lots of.
Speaker 1: Girls, all these they're right there.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm happy. And I think that's the most important thing.
Speaker 6: Like I said, when I you know you need as
Speaker 6: wonderful and of a blessing is that the challenge is
Speaker 6: I think it's very important. And now I know that individuals,
Speaker 6: when they find themselves losing who they are, that they
Speaker 6: take a break because that burnout is real, But I'm uh,
Speaker 6: my break is over. I'm ready to come back. I'm just.
Speaker 1: Next question because have you gotten calls? Have you gotten
Speaker 1: calls and just turned them down as you were in
Speaker 1: this chapter? Like why has it been so long that
Speaker 1: we and feel free to spill any tea here because
Speaker 1: it's just me and a Nissa listening anyway, But yeah,
Speaker 1: why has it been so long since we've seen you?
Speaker 1: And can we expect to see you soon?
Speaker 6: Performer is a is something that that oh, you know,
Speaker 6: the challenge gods only know. But I everything happens for
Speaker 6: a reason. I'm in a way way more more. I mean,
Speaker 6: I'm in an incredible headspace to be able to come
Speaker 6: back should I be given that opportunity, And all I
Speaker 6: would say is just don't don't ever don't count me out,
Speaker 6: you know, don't don't.
Speaker 1: I want to see you come back in the house
Speaker 1: and f ship up. Can I just say i'd put
Speaker 1: I want you to show up. I want all the rookies,
Speaker 1: even the tough ones. Doesn't mean I don't like the rookies.
Speaker 1: Guys don't tweet me, but I want to see I
Speaker 1: want to see Kara just be. I would live to
Speaker 1: see that it wouldn't know what hit him.
Speaker 6: It's I will promise you if I come back everything,
Speaker 6: I do, everything I say the way that I like.
Speaker 6: I am one hundred percent real. Like if I don't
Speaker 6: like you, you know it. If we're not getting along,
Speaker 6: I don't hide it. Like everything is there.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 6: I'm not trying to play best friends. I'm just real.
Speaker 6: And if I like you and you know it, that's
Speaker 6: freaking special. That means a lot. That means I got
Speaker 6: you like. That means something more than for somebody that
Speaker 6: comes in and is best friends with everybody, because you're
Speaker 6: a friend to everybody or a friend to no one.
Speaker 6: But if you're friends with that one person that has
Speaker 6: no one, then you really have that person. So that's me.
Speaker 6: I'm refreshed. I'm ready to come back. I hear the
Speaker 6: fans like loud and.
Speaker 1: Clear, and just.
Speaker 6: Keep being loud. Yeah, I come back. The main thing
Speaker 6: you're gotta know about me is I never start shit,
Speaker 6: but I will finish it. So if you shoot for me,
Speaker 6: you better shoot to kill because if you don't, I
Speaker 6: come back for you and everybody that you're with.
Speaker 1: That's how I fe I feel like the car is
Speaker 1: the living embodiment of Coral's phrase, I beat bitches up.
Speaker 1: I feel like that's the vibe. You guys should see
Speaker 1: the face and niece's making it right now, laughing.
Speaker 6: Just like, don't compare those two. No, I'm just.
Speaker 1: Saying the embodiment.
Speaker 2: They're very That was a very different time these are
Speaker 2: we're talking about to very yes, but just the way
Speaker 2: but just confident.
Speaker 1: Yes, that like energy is sort of is that which
Speaker 1: I I love and live for?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 1: Would you vote Anissa in if you came back on
Speaker 1: a season and the niece's on it, she may.
Speaker 6: You're gonna you're gonna tell me any seasons?
Speaker 2: You guys who else is on there?
Speaker 6: Aren't got friends?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 6: And that was an easy vote for me, But you
Speaker 6: gotta give me the situation.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't.
Speaker 1: But you know what, I wouldn't take it.
Speaker 3: It's just a game like I wouldn't take it personally.
Speaker 6: You know what, I'm not going to vote you in
Speaker 6: because that would be you'd have more eliminations than me
Speaker 6: and I. We're kind of battling it out right now,
Speaker 6: so the record, so if you could take it, I'll
Speaker 6: take a break.
Speaker 3: I will. I will let you just snatch up a few,
Speaker 3: and then the next season I'll snatch up a few.
Speaker 3: Where are we at? Oh I have I have twenty six?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 6: Wait?
Speaker 3: What do I What do I have at nineteen?
Speaker 5: What?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 1: Car? Sounds like you need to come back.
Speaker 6: What have you been up to since I've been gone?
Speaker 3: Anisa, Jordan and I got pitches up. We were in
Speaker 3: the sand a lot, and then I had to.
Speaker 2: Go against Laurel, I had to go against Hasey, I
Speaker 2: had to go against Amber, I had to go against.
Speaker 1: But Car, you guys are tied with elimination wins, so
Speaker 1: you have thirteen wins. Okay, I think it's time to
Speaker 1: break that tie.
Speaker 3: Okay, I don't I think. I think, yep, No.
Speaker 6: That's the only thing you're going for you and there's
Speaker 6: your record because I'm very competitive and I don't want
Speaker 6: you to have better better than me. So I also also.
Speaker 1: Tied Withers.
Speaker 3: Trio.
Speaker 1: Honestly, but I think.
Speaker 3: We've been in more.
Speaker 6: I feel like at this point in my life, like
Speaker 6: I don't feel like I have anything more to prove
Speaker 6: in my challenge career other than I know I can
Speaker 6: have fun. I want everybody to know that I can
Speaker 6: have fun. I want to win more eliminations and yeah,
Speaker 6: I would like to get a third win. I would
Speaker 6: like to get a third official win on you know,
Speaker 6: on my record. But other than that, like I should
Speaker 6: prove yeah, I guess, because I don't know if like
Speaker 6: the one I did pros versus I mean, I did
Speaker 6: have to go against pro win.
Speaker 1: But okay, so I want five guys, listen, it's feasible teams, partners, solo.
Speaker 1: I need to do another I think of mix it
Speaker 1: up free agents version and also just for the listeners
Speaker 1: out there, the reigning champ of elimination wins is the
Speaker 1: man who has cars and fifty businesses and jeeps and
Speaker 1: trucks and all the things. My fellow Kansas City and yes,
Speaker 1: Wes has fourteen elimination wins.
Speaker 3: So that's fine.
Speaker 6: Oh and we're at thirteen.
Speaker 1: You're at thirteen with Anissa and Nanners.
Speaker 6: All right, well let's keep an eye on that.
Speaker 1: Okay, before for those who are doing the rewatch with
Speaker 1: us though, So we were talking about the ball thing, right,
Speaker 1: the human soccer thing, and how Preston came out as
Speaker 1: like talk about underdog as the champ. I don't remember
Speaker 1: a champ. Preston helped Jordan, who was the ball get
Speaker 1: in twice. He came out of nowhere and managed to
Speaker 1: like and this is after Preston had been picked last
Speaker 1: every single challenge so far, and it was really his
Speaker 1: crowning moment. Like I think you know he felt one
Speaker 1: of like one of the guys. How do you if
Speaker 1: you can remember back in that moment, especially since you
Speaker 1: thought that you two were a form of an underdog,
Speaker 1: were you shocked that Preston was so capable or.
Speaker 6: Like, I mean, it just goes to show you that,
Speaker 6: like every dog has their day and that's like, it's
Speaker 6: that's what makes the challenge so great is that you
Speaker 6: never know what's gonna happen. And I feel like Preston
Speaker 6: just he just wanted to show everybody like how much
Speaker 6: he could give and the fact that he came out
Speaker 6: of the star is just that's so bad. Us I
Speaker 6: love that for him.
Speaker 1: It was so good also hilarious. Also everybody made fun
Speaker 1: of Leroy for them getting like scored on by Preston.
Speaker 6: Honestly, Leroy is about as good as challenges like daily
Speaker 6: challenges as I am, but like he's good, like where
Speaker 6: Leroy shines his elimination, it's like, you know, Leroy is
Speaker 6: going to give everything he has in Crushia in the elimination.
Speaker 6: That's that's where he shines.
Speaker 3: Shines in the house.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's so.
Speaker 3: Every time he.
Speaker 2: Was so to keep him around because of haircuts, Yeah,
Speaker 2: that goes this guy started looking rough. It was like
Speaker 2: a weird Once he leaves, everybody starts looking real rough.
Speaker 6: Did we We didn't talk about We're not. We're not
Speaker 6: at the point of Jordan and Johnny, are we.
Speaker 1: It's it's starting because Jordan goes off on Jessica pretty
Speaker 1: badly and Johnny defends Jessica.
Speaker 3: You don't do that screaming at a girl at the
Speaker 3: top of your lungs.
Speaker 6: It's not that I had any respect for Jordan's going
Speaker 6: into this.
Speaker 4: I've lost even more respect for him.
Speaker 1: And yet let's talk about that. And so what we've
Speaker 1: been doing Carra by the way, for this season since
Speaker 1: the rewatch, we're kind of we've we've put a disclaimer
Speaker 1: out there that there are things that like we cannot
Speaker 1: be held accountable for because it was nine years ago
Speaker 1: and things that were said and done then or not
Speaker 1: messally cool now to no better, to do better. But
Speaker 1: the way that people were coming for Jessica in the
Speaker 1: house and the way that Jordan. So Jordan got mad
Speaker 1: because Jessica told Anissa that in deliberation that hey, your name.
Speaker 1: But I went back and told Jordan's Jessica under the
Speaker 1: bus by the way with that you could like somebody's I.
Speaker 3: Was roommates with Jordan's. But she was trying to help
Speaker 3: you because Laurel was coming for me for no reason.
Speaker 1: But she was trying to help you out. You could
Speaker 1: have been like somebody said, not you were like Jessica,
Speaker 1: And McCain said, I.
Speaker 3: Wasn't scared of anything. I didn't care what I said,
Speaker 3: what was going to happen.
Speaker 1: No, she was trying to write out for you sort
Speaker 1: of and then you like, but Jordan's promised somebody else,
Speaker 1: and Jordan's then got pissed and went off on Jessica. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what are your what are your?
Speaker 6: I want to be real real about Jordan's. I love
Speaker 6: someone with fire. I love someone that's just going to
Speaker 6: tell everybody like it is, even the people that even
Speaker 6: the veterans, even people that have been there forever. Jordan's
Speaker 6: gonna do what he's going to do. And I thought
Speaker 6: that was so cool. Now I feel like he's kind
Speaker 6: of running with the pack. But side notes. The other
Speaker 6: thing about Jordan's on the on the con side is
Speaker 6: he'll and I understand him and Jessica were they're both
Speaker 6: on Portland. Yeah wrong, yeah, okay, so they have history
Speaker 6: and he and I don't know if it's like the
Speaker 6: the coach the athlete in him, because I know this,
Speaker 6: I see the same thing. You know, like Paulie is
Speaker 6: really good, really good with me and with other women.
Speaker 6: But I do notice like his his competitive side is
Speaker 6: just the same, Like he reminds me of his fire
Speaker 6: is a lot of Jordan, and like if he wants
Speaker 6: you to be better, he's like he'll he'll try to
Speaker 6: push and so I want to think of that in
Speaker 6: the way of Jordan and Jessica. But like Jordan gets
Speaker 6: like mean about it and that I do not.
Speaker 1: Like what did you think about when he was doing that?
Speaker 1: And a lot of people were giving jess like watching
Speaker 1: it back, I remember it vaguely in the house, but
Speaker 1: even some of the girls were kind of giving jess
Speaker 1: You know, some people are saying she's walking around like
Speaker 1: she owns the game.
Speaker 3: She hasn't done anything, but she.
Speaker 1: Was across that log on episode one, she why shouldn't Yeah,
Speaker 1: like I don't recall her being arrogant because we were
Speaker 1: younger and petty is, Yeah, I think.
Speaker 6: A lot if a girl's I think that everybody in
Speaker 6: that damn house, whether they believe it or not, should
Speaker 6: say I'm gonna win, I'm gonna win this or I'm
Speaker 6: gonna crush it, like everybody should say that and believe
Speaker 6: that about or just like lie until the fake until
Speaker 6: they make it. And nobody if you're if you're just
Speaker 6: a confident enough person, nobody's saying that should intimidate you.
Speaker 6: Like I'm never gonna be like, oh, look at her
Speaker 6: thinking she's the best, Like what she shouldn't think she's
Speaker 6: the best? Aren't we supposed to be supporting women. Aren't
Speaker 6: we supposed to make women feel good about themselves? Why
Speaker 6: am I mad that a woman says I did a
Speaker 6: good job, I'm good Like that shit pisses me off
Speaker 6: when anything in the house, and I will I'll call
Speaker 6: that out too, because like I've had people tell me like,
Speaker 6: and I'm the most I picked myself apart ten ways
Speaker 6: from Sunday, but like all of people come to me
Speaker 6: or say to me in the house. Oh, she's just
Speaker 6: too confident. She says this about herself or she thinks
Speaker 6: she can win. Should I not? Do you want me
Speaker 6: to be? Do you want me to talk bad about myself?
Speaker 6: Do you want me to think I can't do it?
Speaker 6: Would that make you feel better? Whose problem is that?
Speaker 3: Probably? It probably would make people feel better eat.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's reflection of their own insecurity. And what was
Speaker 1: interesting is seeing Laurel because this is also kind of
Speaker 1: like it's the beginning, like the planning of seeds thing.
Speaker 1: I mean, we see a Nissa and Laurel kind of
Speaker 1: at at head. Nissa is not through.
Speaker 3: I was ready.
Speaker 1: And Laurel defend Jordan's yelling at Jessica, which was actually
Speaker 1: really wild to see because I don't.
Speaker 2: Know if she minimized it. No, she what's the word
Speaker 2: I'm looking for, rationalize?
Speaker 3: I don't know. Yeah, thank you, she like validated his response.
Speaker 1: And LaToya said you need to check communicate, and then
Speaker 1: she said it's not like it's but you came in
Speaker 1: the room to check LaToya and then for being mad
Speaker 1: at Jordan for speaking.
Speaker 3: I don't think anybody could terribly.
Speaker 1: Right, LaToya is we need LaToya on the pod.
Speaker 2: We need her back, Yeah, to tell everybody. She said
Speaker 2: everything anyone ever thought it was so funny. I was
Speaker 2: so afraid to say sometimes.
Speaker 6: She just was straight up so funny and like the
Speaker 6: way she says things like you can't be mad at
Speaker 6: you're like, yep, she's right.
Speaker 1: Right yes where she told she told Jordans like you
Speaker 1: like what you had, two faced motherfucker when you find
Speaker 1: your balls and your balls dropped and you can come
Speaker 1: talk to me.
Speaker 3: It was like, why you want to come in and
Speaker 3: share my chips? Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: And then she goes, I'm sorry for the interruption, TJ. Continue,
Speaker 1: we can precede, TJ.
Speaker 3: I do apologize for the interruption.
Speaker 1: Wild It was so it was his face during that,
Speaker 1: like yeah, she told him like you.
Speaker 2: See like the veins and ship and he was kind
Speaker 2: of red and I was like.
Speaker 6: I remember he tried it on cam and tried to like,
Speaker 6: you know, come at her for like not working out
Speaker 6: or running around in the house and she laid there.
Speaker 6: She's like he would like make fun of her cause
Speaker 6: she was laying in bed or something, and she's like,
Speaker 6: he goes, are you working out? Is that you're working out?
Speaker 6: And she's like, yeap working out in my dream, so
Speaker 6: like she would like shut him down in a different
Speaker 6: type of way, but anyway, he's still.
Speaker 1: I will say, in the last season, I feel like,
Speaker 1: even though there were things that weren't great, I do
Speaker 1: feel like there's been a little bit of growth. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you would agree, Nissa, but I feel
Speaker 1: like I've seen some growth and how he's trying to
Speaker 1: be better in his.
Speaker 3: Communication and listen.
Speaker 2: I mean, this was the best time when I did
Speaker 2: thirty eight with him. It was the best time I
Speaker 2: ever had with him, regardless of injuries and being in
Speaker 2: the elimination all the time.
Speaker 3: It felt like, but.
Speaker 2: There was something I just need certain things and maybe
Speaker 2: I didn't know he could have said them differently, yes,
Speaker 2: but for the most part, like he brought out I mean,
Speaker 2: the delivery was crazy, but he brought out the best,
Speaker 2: the best person in me when it came to fighting
Speaker 2: for us.
Speaker 6: It was like an athlete, like a coach of athletes.
Speaker 6: Like just like she was like, there are.
Speaker 2: No I can'ts there are only I can saying I can't,
Speaker 2: but I was still doing it, like I'll keep going.
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna complain a little bit.
Speaker 6: That's me too. I will complain the whole time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm like, we.
Speaker 2: Were rope together and I'm like nervous, I'm gonna fall off.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm bigger than him, so I'm like, I'm
Speaker 2: i gonna pull him down, you know.
Speaker 3: But he really did. He he was like, I believe
Speaker 3: in you, you could do this shit.
Speaker 2: And I think at at the core like an outside
Speaker 2: of the show, like I love him.
Speaker 6: It's a way he paired up with someone like that too.
Speaker 6: I will, oh, of.
Speaker 3: Course, of course, but like I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't know if i'd be how I feel, like
Speaker 2: how I feel about myself today without some of those
Speaker 2: experiences too.
Speaker 6: Like so Free Agents Jordan just like Free Agent's car
Speaker 6: has grown up a little bit. That's good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do think a lot of us have.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I just like I said, the Jordan that like
Speaker 6: would call out someone like Johnny, that was the Jordan
Speaker 6: that I was like, Wow, whether you win or you lose,
Speaker 6: or people want to make funny, that is like such
Speaker 6: a ball. That was the one thing that I was
Speaker 6: like that I wrote so hard for Jordan for doing that,
Speaker 6: even though it didn't pan out. And I know this
Speaker 6: is later and whatever. Sorry spoiler alert, but like you said,
Speaker 6: the show over nine years, like you know what happened,
Speaker 6: Like it was that that level of intensity and fire
Speaker 6: that I would love, I would love to see and
Speaker 6: like I said, not to bring up Paully, but like
Speaker 6: I feel like that reminds me of how Polly was
Speaker 6: when he kind of came in, and like, that's what
Speaker 6: I want to see. That's what I want to see
Speaker 6: more of, just someone who's ready to like go against
Speaker 6: the grain and like not just follow the crowd. And
Speaker 6: I feel like right now there.
Speaker 3: Is some of that.
Speaker 1: I just feel like them they've done it in a
Speaker 1: stupid way, which has annoyed the hell out of me.
Speaker 1: But oh, I know you're about to see but from
Speaker 1: some of the people from USA, right, So we're talking
Speaker 1: some of the people that have come over from like
Speaker 1: the Big Brothers and what have you, especially in the
Speaker 1: last two seasons Sarah Alcina, Danny McCrae, who made it
Speaker 1: their mission to create their own paths. But in my opinion, uh,
Speaker 1: some of them did it less smartly than they could have.
Speaker 6: And so then that was thinak of my devil.
Speaker 1: Hello a special guest.
Speaker 9: Hello, Hello, Hello, thank you bye okay.
Speaker 1: And I love Carto the way you said that he
Speaker 1: supported you and encouraged you in this new chapter of
Speaker 1: your life.
Speaker 3: That is so cool.
Speaker 1: Also for those listening but who can't see, she's like
Speaker 1: glowing right now that her present. Like the way he
Speaker 1: supports you is amazing.
Speaker 3: And wonderful.
Speaker 6: He's a he's definitely a good He's amazing. I always
Speaker 6: got a bad rap and everything or because of you know,
Speaker 6: what was put out there, But he was really the
Speaker 6: only guy, I'll be honest with you that like really
Speaker 6: stood up for me, and he really helped me find
Speaker 6: my voice. So if there's one thing that anybody needs
Speaker 6: to know, like if you're a fan of me, like
Speaker 6: you need to see what I see. I wish people
Speaker 6: could see what I see, because he really did, Like
Speaker 6: he stood up for me hard when people came at me,
Speaker 6: Like he stood up for me outside of things, and
Speaker 6: like he had my back when I lost myself. Like
Speaker 6: he's he's he's a badass, he's a fighter, and he's
Speaker 6: a very good man. So and and I would die
Speaker 6: to see that man do a physical elimination. Like when
Speaker 6: when do I get to sit back and watch that
Speaker 6: you got to.
Speaker 3: But she'd like to have fulfilled. Yes, I know. I
Speaker 3: feel like it's also we.
Speaker 2: Are and I think fans forget that they're watching a
Speaker 2: TV show like we have.
Speaker 3: We have lives outside of it.
Speaker 2: Like you're seeing us in a high stress environment with
Speaker 2: people that we would normally not hang out with in
Speaker 2: the situation we.
Speaker 3: Normally not create for us, with no private for a
Speaker 3: bunch of money.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm a giant adult in a kid's bed
Speaker 2: showering using the eight other people, and I'm like, and
Speaker 2: you want me to function normally?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know.
Speaker 2: So it's like everything else. So it's it's different when
Speaker 2: we're outside of that. So of course people can only
Speaker 2: you know, their idea of who we are is what
Speaker 2: they see.
Speaker 3: They're just getting up.
Speaker 2: So even if we showed them the best sides of
Speaker 2: us outside of it, it's like they never really know
Speaker 2: unless they, you know, they get a chance to meet
Speaker 2: all of us. But being in that game, it's not
Speaker 2: a true as much as we tried to, Like, it's
Speaker 2: just it's a true depiction of who we are high stress,
Speaker 2: stressed out and anxious and compete.
Speaker 3: It's just one dimension.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's one dimension rather than the whole person, but
Speaker 1: the whole given that you said that you've grown so
Speaker 1: much that you know free agents Kara to car Now,
Speaker 1: what is would you say was your biggest takeaway from
Speaker 1: the free agent season? Like, what do you think was
Speaker 1: the most valuable thing that or gift that you received
Speaker 1: in doing that season in Uruguay?
Speaker 6: Everything? That was literally one of my one of my
Speaker 6: best seasons because of showing me that, like, hey, I
Speaker 6: can do it, like it, you know, because somebody who
Speaker 6: maybe you don't think I'm an underdog, but I definitely
Speaker 6: felt like it. I was kind of felt like the
Speaker 6: black sheet. I don't know if I was the one
Speaker 6: that put that on myself, but like I being able
Speaker 6: to go in and do what I did is just
Speaker 6: one of the things that I'm like most proud of
Speaker 6: of all of my seasons, like that fire that I had,
Speaker 6: not knowing what I could do and how I could be,
Speaker 6: and like always feeling because I wasn't good, I was
Speaker 6: weak on challenges, Like I was always kind of not
Speaker 6: that good at challenges, but I, you know, going in
Speaker 6: the dirt makes you see what you're really made of.
Speaker 6: And it was it was ct honestly like him cheering
Speaker 6: for me and the dirt against Naya that I'll never
Speaker 6: forget him, and how loud he cheered with every inch
Speaker 6: that I pulled in the dirt. The fact that when
Speaker 6: I had my broken hands, he looked at me when
Speaker 6: I had to choose out of the lineup of who
Speaker 6: to pick on one of those challenges that you really
Speaker 6: need your hand and remember and he without hesitation, pick me,
Speaker 6: kick me, pick me. I'm like what he goes, I'd
Speaker 6: rather have you with a broken hand than anybody on
Speaker 6: their best day. And I was like, really like he
Speaker 6: I will never that does ever forget that moment from him?
Speaker 6: And so it just like it just really helped me
Speaker 6: believe in myself a little bit more. The fans love
Speaker 6: to see someone who has to fight, yeah, and I
Speaker 6: gave him a fight, and so I think it helps.
Speaker 6: It helped give me a little bit more respectful and
Speaker 6: challenge world rather than just like the weird the weird
Speaker 6: girl like she can actually come through, so come hard.
Speaker 6: Where would they.
Speaker 1: Say free agents ranks on all the other seasons, all
Speaker 1: nineteen thousand of them that you've done, Where would you
Speaker 1: say free agents ranks?
Speaker 3: For you?
Speaker 6: Do you mean that in terms of my experience or
Speaker 6: in terms of the challenges, or like, how do you
Speaker 6: mean rank.
Speaker 1: You know, I'd say your experience one, and then I
Speaker 1: guess kind of your performance, like how you think you
Speaker 1: know your performance was, But let's start with your experience overall?
Speaker 1: Where would it rank for you?
Speaker 6: My experience? Just because of how proud I am of
Speaker 6: that season, it's the top three. I mean I have
Speaker 6: to put you know, it's Vendettas, it's Bloodlines. Bloodlines was
Speaker 6: a lother good experiences, and the reunions were disastrous and traumatic.
Speaker 6: Same with Vendettas. It was it was just awful, awful
Speaker 6: for me. But I did win those two, so they
Speaker 6: have to be in the top three, so i'd see, honestly,
Speaker 6: free Agents beats all that. And then in terms of
Speaker 6: like the actual best season both physically politically dominating season
Speaker 6: right up until the end, I'd say War the World's One,
Speaker 6: Like War the World's One and War the World's Two
Speaker 6: were the most bad ass physically. Challenges like Booth brought
Speaker 6: it like it was intense, it was so just I'm
Speaker 6: just say, I know you're gonna get to your rewatch
Speaker 6: at that point. But World the World's won and World,
Speaker 6: the World two. You bring the challenge to that, you
Speaker 6: bring that out again like Game Over. Even the rookies
Speaker 6: were bad, like it was just six season for sure.
Speaker 6: Even though I got left on an island because I
Speaker 6: couldn't math, that was disappointing, But other than that, it
Speaker 6: was pretty good.
Speaker 1: Oh well, thank you so much Kara for coming chatting
Speaker 1: with us. I look forward to seeing you and a
Speaker 1: niece's head to head and who wins.
Speaker 3: I don't understand why this is like your your goalfriend.
Speaker 1: You guys are icons, or maybe they need to depend you
Speaker 1: guys on a team to get.
Speaker 3: Some other thing that I thought about before this interview.
Speaker 3: I was like, that would be so interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, can you imagine facing you to an elimination like
Speaker 1: I don't care whoever. I would I would just turn around.
Speaker 1: I would just take my jersey off and be like here.
Speaker 2: And and that's still a win, that's still a win,
Speaker 2: and that we're tied with that's take it off.
Speaker 1: I would. I would turn it out, take it off
Speaker 1: and be like here, Uh, that'd be great to see though,
Speaker 1: that'd be TV.
Speaker 6: Like if we're ever on a season, I will personally
Speaker 6: rally the house to put me and over you, And
Speaker 6: he said, because that record means that much to me,
Speaker 6: and I know you're not gonna fight me for it, so.
Speaker 2: I won't unless they told me it was like a
Speaker 2: Tanagram superstation where I got to make all the shapes
Speaker 2: in the world.
Speaker 3: I would do that. I would be like no other
Speaker 3: than that.
Speaker 2: Maybe God, if you heard it your first everyone that
Speaker 2: we may do future challenges with. You heard it your
Speaker 2: first car and I are on the same show, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Same season.
Speaker 6: I didn't.
Speaker 3: I just put her in.
Speaker 6: I'm not going to care anymore, Like I swear to
Speaker 6: God for me if I have to go in it
Speaker 6: is a It is like if you think of it
Speaker 6: as like your w WU Superstar entrance moment minus Pyro,
Speaker 6: Like you just put on a show and have fun,
Speaker 6: and that's how I'm gonna look at Yeah, you can
Speaker 6: go home, or maybe.
Speaker 1: There'll be some challenge like a lot of high.
Speaker 3: They stopped with the fire.
Speaker 1: A little bit because they put the money to the
Speaker 1: metric shapes TJ's wardrobe because in the last nice wardrobe, I.
Speaker 6: Ask the powers that be if they can hear this,
Speaker 6: I think it'd be really cool. Maybe season forty or whatever.
Speaker 6: Right we have like we have, you know, you get
Speaker 6: to have legends, okay, and then they'll be giants screens
Speaker 6: up in the arena and it'll be like you come out,
Speaker 6: it's like highlights from your Challenge career, like popping up
Speaker 6: and like music and stuff. They could change it in
Speaker 6: the edit, but like, you know, you come out with
Speaker 6: Pyro and you're like and like you know what I mean,
Speaker 6: Like your highlight is so cool.
Speaker 1: If people want to keep up with your photography and
Speaker 1: all of your creativity and just follow along with you,
Speaker 1: where can they find you on social.
Speaker 6: Car I am on Instagram, Miss car Maria. I'm on
Speaker 6: TikTok Miss car Maria. And my photography page is I
Speaker 6: have it linked on my Instagram, but it's car marian
Speaker 6: Photography keeping it simple.
Speaker 3: Oh good, Yeah I can find you. Yeah, well, thank
Speaker 3: you for taking time. Yes, crawl across the US road trip.
Speaker 6: Long Live Free Agents. Yes, a bad season.
Speaker 3: It was a good season.
Speaker 1: Why were you united?
Speaker 6: It's true? We were all there. Yeah, well it was.
Speaker 6: It's nice to be back, you know, as much as
Speaker 6: I miss missed my Challenge family, you know, so I hope,
Speaker 6: hope to get my hands dirty again soon. That's all.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we might see each other. You never know. I
Speaker 3: have a feeling it's going to happen.
Speaker 1: A lot of people certainly want it to happen, and
Speaker 1: we look forward to it, and just know that when
Speaker 1: it does happen, we expect you back on the podcast
Speaker 1: to give all the tea that season and to that
Speaker 1: ship I'm gonna beat up. We fully expected that. Oh
Speaker 1: you go when you are back. But thank you for
Speaker 1: making the time and I'm so excited and happy that
Speaker 1: you're doing so well.
Speaker 6: Thank you, and thank you. Just signed on to everybody
Speaker 6: who's listening and everybody who always ask for me back
Speaker 6: and everybody that's had my back even when I've been
Speaker 6: at my lowest, like so many people have stuck by
Speaker 6: me and have been very loud for me and I
Speaker 6: it does not go unnoticed and it and it just
Speaker 6: helps me a lot. So thank you for that for
Speaker 6: everybody listening, Like, really appreciate it. I will never take
Speaker 6: that for granted ever.
Speaker 1: That's all people love you, Car.
Speaker 6: I appreciate it.
Speaker 3: Wow, have the people grown? It was so nice to
Speaker 3: hear this more confident, more sure.
Speaker 2: Of like softened if you will, Car Maria, not soft
Speaker 2: in like a like a punk way but like soft
Speaker 2: and like a like a at ease time yea, And
Speaker 2: it's it was nice to hear, you know, what her
Speaker 2: life is like away from the challenge, because I feel
Speaker 2: like that's that's something we don't hear off and especially
Speaker 2: since we haven't.
Speaker 3: Seen or heard from her.
Speaker 6: In a while.
Speaker 1: It was so lovely. I'm glad we got to chat
Speaker 1: with her. And she's just really glowing and radiating the
Speaker 1: whole time. For the listeners, we have video on mainly
Speaker 1: so I can see Anissa's facial expressions, but also so
Speaker 1: we can like interact with our guests, and she really
Speaker 1: was just glowing throughout the whole interview, which I.
Speaker 3: Could see if Devin did her hair. That's true, she
Speaker 3: did it today.
Speaker 1: I did do it today just for Nissa. But if
Speaker 1: you want to see our faces or whether or not
Speaker 1: we did our hair, or just anything else as a whole,
Speaker 1: you can follow us on social Anissa.
Speaker 3: Where can they follow you on Instagram?
Speaker 2: At Anissa MTV that's a n E E s A
Speaker 2: m t V. That's the only place. But for all
Speaker 2: other platforms, so you can go to devon that's right.
Speaker 1: You can go to devinsimone dot com at seven with
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Speaker 1: you can see me on a show called match Me
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Speaker 1: you check that out. Just don't come for me and
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