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Speaker 1: Good morning.

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Speaker 2: Hello, this is abnormal. I barely have a voice.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we were Actually it's so early.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, I have a fucking day already. Life right now,

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Speaker 3: we are back you guys. I was just telling Chip

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Speaker 3: how I mean, obviously we include you in last week

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Speaker 3: that I wasn't going to air the episode, but we

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Speaker 3: were just talking it through and I was like, let's

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Speaker 3: just start recording so the listeners can be in on this,

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Speaker 3: because I do feel like we're all in this together.

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Speaker 1: I really do.

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Speaker 3: And that kind of touches on why I didn't want

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Speaker 3: to hear the episode last week is as much as

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Speaker 3: you and I tried, and like I truly believe. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I'm making it so like daunting this episode, but like

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Speaker 3: we really tried to have an open perspective and open

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Speaker 3: conversation that took into consideration that everyone has different opinions,

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Speaker 3: Like we tried not to be one sided.

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Speaker 1: But the reality is is you and I.

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Speaker 3: Both have opinions about things that are happening in the world,

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Speaker 3: and as much as we try to be open minded

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Speaker 3: to other perspectives and conversation, we still have an opinion.

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Speaker 1: And that's fine.

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Speaker 3: We should we should be Like in the conversation, paying

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Speaker 3: attention up to date on the things that are happening,

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Speaker 3: and we should have our own perspective about what this

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Speaker 3: means for the world, how this is impacting things, how

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Speaker 3: we would want to do things differently, all of those things.

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Speaker 3: We also should be working on things behind the scenes

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Speaker 3: to you know, fight for the things that we believe in.

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Speaker 3: I truly believe that. I just really am starting to

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Speaker 3: feel frustrated online in the podcast world all of these things,

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Speaker 3: like overall, because I feel like people assume that since

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Speaker 3: you have a microphone and a platform, then you need

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Speaker 3: to be weighing in on everything, and it's overwhelm me.

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Speaker 3: And I'm like, at the end of the day, the

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Speaker 3: reason we started this podcast is to connect people, and

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Speaker 3: it's to look at the beauty of life and the

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Speaker 3: deep dives of beauty, and none of that really involves

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Speaker 3: the conversation that we had last week. And I really

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Speaker 3: want to stay in my lane, I guess because I'm

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Speaker 3: just feeling like it's overwhelming out there. There's just so

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Speaker 3: much noise. I don't even know what to trust anymore,

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Speaker 3: so I'm really dialing back what I'm taking in because

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Speaker 3: of that, and especially now with AI, we have like

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Speaker 3: was like, you know what, if I'm getting frustrated that

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Speaker 3: participate in the problem I'm frustrated with? So, yeah, you

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Speaker 3: and I are not political experts or analysts or anything

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Speaker 3: like that. We just have opinions, and I'm kind of

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Speaker 3: tired of that being like, like, I think it's important

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Speaker 3: that we all weigh in or have an opinion in

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Speaker 3: our lives, but like, do we need to all broadcast

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Speaker 3: it very exhausting.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. No, it's funny.

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Speaker 2: I've been reading about people going back to like analog life,

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Speaker 2: Like there's a big trend this year because of AI,

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Speaker 2: existing online right now kind of is a little depressing

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Speaker 2: So I'm happy to remove myself from the conversation because

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Speaker 3: So well, and like you said, the news is loud,

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Speaker 3: and I think they're really tapping into fear and not

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Speaker 3: believe that powers at be or news outlets, whatever, social

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Speaker 3: that was what happened last week. We ended up airing

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Speaker 3: an episode that I loved, and we're talking about spreading

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Speaker 3: it was still on brand with what we were trying.

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Speaker 3: Our point was that we were trying to make So anyway,

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Speaker 3: now we're back and we have a whole other episode

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Speaker 2: I told you that I was going to say too,

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Speaker 2: I was going to add real quick before we move

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Speaker 2: on to today's episode topic. But I was just in

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Speaker 2: Costa Rica for my cousin's fiftieth, and you know, it's

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Speaker 2: you know. I was like with my friends, I was

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Speaker 2: And that's impossible to do now because it has connected

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Speaker 2: So maybe I'll hop on this like twenty twenty six

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Speaker 3: that's okay. It's just like sometimes you have to do

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Speaker 3: want to move forward? So that's what we're trying to

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Speaker 3: And sometimes it's nice just to sit and go, God,

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Speaker 3: talk about something positive that doesn't isn't the you know,

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Speaker 3: what we're here to talk about today is drugs.

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Speaker 2: Take us out of our misery.

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Speaker 3: I'm kidding, but if you guys listen to the Wednesday

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Speaker 3: are a company that's really working to incorporate ketamine into

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Speaker 3: And I told Sharon this, but I'll tell you this

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Speaker 3: you know online, I mean, that's on brain. We've talked

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Speaker 3: I'm interested in this kind of thing. But I have

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Speaker 3: I'm like, well, even the Mormons are doing it. So yeah,

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Speaker 3: they can't even drink, but they're doing therapy. But Mormon,

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Speaker 2: I find it also putting their lives on television seems

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Speaker 3: They're all very sexual, Like it's just like, it's like

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Speaker 3: really interesting. They can't drink alcohol, but they drink a

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Speaker 3: I mean that in some judgment way, you do you boot,

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Speaker 3: but it's also like confusing to me, and so I

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Speaker 3: find it very fascinating to watch. Anyway, some of these

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Speaker 2: Yeah, people have much bigger issues to deal with in

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Speaker 2: she would put it on a baking sheet and bake

437
00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:18,879
Speaker 2: it until it turned powder, and then we would scrape

438
00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:20,119
Speaker 2: it off and put it in a violin.

439
00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:21,239
Speaker 4: Off to the club we'd go.

440
00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:23,040
Speaker 1: It is such a like druggy thing.

441
00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:27,520
Speaker 2: I mean, it's like parents don't know what a podcast is.

442
00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:31,600
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean we would just do it at

443
00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:34,280
Speaker 2: the club and it was like it's almost like doing

444
00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:36,640
Speaker 2: whipp its, you know, where it doesn't last very long

445
00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:37,040
Speaker 2: and it.

446
00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:38,360
Speaker 4: Takes you into this like woo.

447
00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:41,639
Speaker 2: So I don't think it's anything like the use of

448
00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:46,240
Speaker 2: it therapeutically, because my understanding is that like you go

449
00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:49,120
Speaker 2: on like a forty minute journey, like you get such

450
00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:51,359
Speaker 2: a dose of it that like you are taken into.

451
00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:53,919
Speaker 2: And something that we would try to avoid was what

452
00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:56,800
Speaker 2: was called a K hole, which is when you did

453
00:22:56,880 --> 00:23:00,920
Speaker 2: too much and you it felt like you sunk into

454
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,719
Speaker 2: the floor and you can see everybody like you're like

455
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:07,080
Speaker 2: looking out of the hole, you know, And that's probably

456
00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:11,400
Speaker 2: closer to what it is in the therapeutic sense. You're

457
00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:14,800
Speaker 2: just in a you're not in allow clubs surround by friends. Yeah,

458
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:18,280
Speaker 2: like you're actually like being guided by a therapist and

459
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:21,000
Speaker 2: you're allowed to relax into it where I think, you know,

460
00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:22,959
Speaker 2: the K hole that we were trying to avoid was

461
00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:25,280
Speaker 2: scary because you felt weird and out of.

462
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:28,440
Speaker 3: Well, you're like in a rave like sense, like of

463
00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:30,080
Speaker 3: course you don't want to be in a K hole,

464
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:33,359
Speaker 3: right right, Yeah, I mean we did talk about this

465
00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,200
Speaker 3: with Sharon because I said, I think there's a fine line.

466
00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:38,840
Speaker 3: Like obviously, you know, I grew up in a family

467
00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:42,840
Speaker 3: of atticts and now everyone's sober and so like incorporating

468
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:47,200
Speaker 3: something with ketamine or even psilocybin, Like I didn't talk

469
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:50,919
Speaker 3: about that that much with my family because drugs in

470
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:53,960
Speaker 3: general have such a like you know, it's just this

471
00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:57,919
Speaker 3: I don't know, the mentality about it is not really

472
00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,960
Speaker 3: like a welcomed thing because it's been so negative in

473
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,920
Speaker 3: our lives. But for me, I had to like really

474
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:06,240
Speaker 3: decide for myself. And I think it's such a case

475
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:08,879
Speaker 3: by case scenario in person a person. It's like I

476
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:11,639
Speaker 3: did that one thing of psilocybin. I have not wanted

477
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,480
Speaker 3: to do psilocybin since. Like it's not like I'm like.

478
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:15,960
Speaker 4: Oh, we're not addicted to it.

479
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 3: No, let me do mushrooms every day now, you know. Like,

480
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 3: and I had a girl on a while back, I

481
00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:23,639
Speaker 3: think this was last year, and she has a company

482
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 3: that does microdosing of mushrooms and she sent me a bunch.

483
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:28,239
Speaker 3: I still haven't even done them because I haven't wanted to,

484
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:30,480
Speaker 3: Like I haven't felt like it was the time to

485
00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:33,240
Speaker 3: go on that journey. And so, you know, I don't

486
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:35,399
Speaker 3: know I just listened to my own self about it

487
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:38,160
Speaker 3: and know my own whatever you want to call them,

488
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:41,600
Speaker 3: like habits or ways that I could get off track,

489
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:44,720
Speaker 3: and like that just isn't one for me. So it's

490
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:46,840
Speaker 3: been very helpful to me. I do think people need

491
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:49,600
Speaker 3: to consider their own journeys or whatever. But even like

492
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 3: you're talking about with your friend who overdrank and did

493
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:56,200
Speaker 3: this stuff before, I've heard that multiple times with psilocybin too,

494
00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:59,119
Speaker 3: that you do these like experiences. And what I know

495
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 3: about addiction, what I believe personally is like it's a

496
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 3: soul thing happening. The addiction is just a manifestation of

497
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:13,440
Speaker 3: like or it's the coping mechanism, So it could be anything.

498
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:15,640
Speaker 3: Like you know, most of the time people have their

499
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 3: drug of choice, but like it's the way that you cope,

500
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 3: and so what are you coping from? And this kind

501
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 3: of therapeutic practice is the thing that I have realized

502
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:27,400
Speaker 3: helped me to truly get to the.

503
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 1: Bottom of that.

504
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 3: Even though I had been doing talk therapy, twelve step

505
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 3: work for codependency and all that stuff for over a decade,

506
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:36,639
Speaker 3: when I did it, it took me to just a

507
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:41,680
Speaker 3: deeper level of like self love, appreciation for my journey

508
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:44,679
Speaker 3: and like where it had taken me, and then also

509
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:48,639
Speaker 3: like this deeper respect for my soul that I didn't

510
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 3: want to cope in the ways that I was coping

511
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 3: mine was a lot through relationship, but I didn't want

512
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:56,200
Speaker 3: to do that anymore after it. It was so bizarre,

513
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,240
Speaker 3: like it really turned me off, and I was able

514
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 3: to set some boundaries that I had not been able

515
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 3: to set before because my nervous system finally fucking calmed down.

516
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:06,639
Speaker 3: And that's what addiction is a lot of times too.

517
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:09,439
Speaker 3: You're just trying to like get your nervous system to

518
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 3: calm down. So anyway, I found it really interesting, And

519
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 3: I mean, I know a lot of people probably still

520
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 3: do katamine recreationally, and I'm not trying to like condone

521
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:20,680
Speaker 3: or speak to that.

522
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 1: This is more like.

523
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:26,959
Speaker 2: People drink culf serrup recreationally. Right, anything can be abused,

524
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:30,240
Speaker 2: And it's like, I mean, I think it's no different

525
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:33,160
Speaker 2: than when you go into the doctor and they're like, oh,

526
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:35,920
Speaker 2: you sound like you have an infection, Like are you

527
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,680
Speaker 2: allergic to penicillin? You know, and if you've never taken

528
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,480
Speaker 2: penicillin before, wouldn't you try that if like that's what

529
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 2: a doctor was saying would make you potentially feel better,

530
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,639
Speaker 2: and if you have an adverse reaction to the penicillin,

531
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:50,240
Speaker 2: you'd be like, no, I'm allergic to penicillin right in

532
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 2: the same way. Like you know, it's I think the

533
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:59,200
Speaker 2: word drug, drugs, druggy whatever, like it's a real gray

534
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:03,399
Speaker 2: area because doctors are prescribing things that turn people into

535
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 2: druggies every day.

536
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:09,440
Speaker 3: Also, that's where I get a little like ick about all. Yeah,

537
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 3: the things that like everyone has ADHD now and everyone's

538
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 3: on adderall and all.

539
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 1: Of that kind of stuff. And it's like okay.

540
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 3: Also, the medical world or whatever makes a lot of

541
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 3: money on those jobs. Yes, stay on them for the

542
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,440
Speaker 3: rest of your life. Look at me talking about psilocybin.

543
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 3: I mean there's a ton of conspiracy theories where people

544
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 3: are like, yeah, you do one thing and then you

545
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,200
Speaker 3: don't need to do it again, like it actually does

546
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 3: a lot of healing or whatever, instead of these contrastent

547
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 3: things that you need to be on continuously for the

548
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,159
Speaker 3: rest of your life and say, I don't want you

549
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 3: to know about that because they're not going to make

550
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 3: any money that way. So these drugs are deemed illegal

551
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, you know, there's all that mentality.

552
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:53,239
Speaker 2: Too, so and the crazy thing is is I mean

553
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 2: mushrooms is literally a plant that is naturally occurring.

554
00:27:57,800 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 4: You know, it's not a drug.

555
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:03,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, does it have psychotropic effects, absolutely, But I'm sure

556
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 2: there's a fish in the ocean that you could bite

557
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,639
Speaker 2: into too and it would make you trip, you know,

558
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:09,399
Speaker 2: like I just haven't found it yet.

559
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 3: Well, my mentality is similar to like when we talked

560
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 3: about ozimpic, Like.

561
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 1: Remember we talked I talked with that.

562
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 3: Doctor and then you and I discussed it because you've

563
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 3: been on ozimpic and her big thing was like, if

564
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:24,680
Speaker 3: you're just gonna do the drug, you're not going to

565
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 3: see the benefits that you that you're wanting long term.

566
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,119
Speaker 3: You know. She's like, you might get a temporary fix

567
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,640
Speaker 3: or whatever, but you have to actually start working out

568
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:34,679
Speaker 3: and eating better.

569
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:36,439
Speaker 1: And to me, that's what this is.

570
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 3: It's like it might help you get to the depth

571
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 3: of something, but it's not going to fix your problems

572
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,719
Speaker 3: unless you actually do the work in therapy, unless you

573
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 3: take the time and your journaling while you go on

574
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 3: this trip or whatever you want to call or like

575
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 3: you like when I did my psilocybin thing. The whole

576
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 3: following weekend, I was having downloads, so I was just

577
00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 3: like writing and writing and writing and processing and crying

578
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 3: and laughing, and it released so much for me.

579
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 1: But I'd worked with it.

580
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 3: I didn't just like go on a trip and trip

581
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 3: my balls off or whatever and then be like, Okay, cool,

582
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:16,239
Speaker 3: I'm fixed. Like you do the work too, and they

583
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 3: just it's like a catalyst for a deeper dive into healing.

584
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 1: I don't know, that's why.

585
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 2: I mean, I think in the same way, if you

586
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 2: are taking into depressant drugs that have been prescribed to you,

587
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 2: if you're still not doing all the other work, there're

588
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 2: nothing's a magic fix.

589
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 3: Well no, and you're still going to feel the anxiety

590
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 3: or depression or whatever, like it's going to come back

591
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 3: because you're not getting to the roots. So anyway, I

592
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 3: figured you'd be like, yeah, I try.

593
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 4: To do that.

594
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 2: I mean, I kind of want to try it. I

595
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 2: just haven't really needed to, so.

596
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 4: I'd try it.

597
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would do it if I felt like I

598
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 3: was blocked in therapy or something. Yeah, I would definitely

599
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 3: do another psilocybin trip for sure. If I ever get

600
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 3: to the place where I'm like, I want to dive

601
00:29:58,720 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 3: deeper for whatever.

602
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, I definitely would like to go try

603
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 2: ayahuasca or something, you know, one of the like.

604
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that's when that one's really intense, Yeah,

605
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 3: but also very cathartic, Like there's a apparently like huge

606
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 3: releases you get with that.

607
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 2: See, I feel like I'm now at fifty years old,

608
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 2: it's like a good time to do it because it's

609
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 2: like from approaching from a much more grown up perspective

610
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 2: and like I'm, you know, in theory at the middle

611
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 2: of my life. It would be nice to sort of

612
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 2: like take the second half of life with a different perspective,

613
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 2: you know, with a more open perspective.

614
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm pretty open to all of it. We had

615
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 3: I had a friend who did DMT and she that's

616
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 3: the kind of she's done it a couple of times,

617
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 3: I think, and it was wild the changes I saw

618
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 3: in her, I mean wild, Like she said that she

619
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 3: and the DMT is similar to psilocybin in that it's

620
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 3: like psychedelic feeling, like you go on a journey, but

621
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 3: it's really quick. It's like fifteen minutes. And she said

622
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 3: she like went off into what she deemed the universe

623
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 3: like she had died almost and she was like, I

624
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 3: didn't want to come back. It was awesome there, Like

625
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 3: she was like I had this overwhelming sense of love

626
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 3: and peace and just beauty and all the things that

627
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 3: like filled her soul up. And when the guy started,

628
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 3: she said she started to come out of it. And

629
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 3: the guy was like saying her name to her, and

630
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 3: she was going no, no, like.

631
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 1: She did not want to come back.

632
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it was interesting because like she was such

633
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 3: a tight wound person for so long and very like

634
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 3: needed to be in control and you know, like managing

635
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 3: things and just overworking and all these things. And she

636
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 3: got out of that and like would just come and

637
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 3: she wanted to hug you for like fifteen minutes straight

638
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 3: and she was just like it's just yeah, I mean

639
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 3: just and every time she would see me, she just

640
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 3: would start crying because she was like, I'll just love

641
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 3: you so much. This is a temporary like thing, but

642
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,479
Speaker 3: it was beautiful, you know, And I think that's what

643
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 3: we kind of are missing sometimes in therapy is like

644
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,479
Speaker 3: it feels very doomsday and like, Okay, you're a problem

645
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 3: that needs to be fixed. And then when I like

646
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 3: went on the psilocybin thing. I was like, nothing is

647
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 3: wrong with me. I have learned coping skills to deal

648
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 3: with like to survive life, and life is fucking hard sometimes,

649
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 3: but like I don't want to be mean to myself

650
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 3: or feel like I'm some problem that needs to be

651
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 3: fixed anymore, Like to really see the beauty in yourself

652
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 3: and the world and the journey you've been on, like

653
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 3: it was. I don't know, I can't. I can't talk

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Speaker 3: about it enough clearly because I keep talking about this.

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Speaker 4: I need that person's number.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, anyway, I would love to hear what you guys

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Speaker 3: think about this, Like would you be willing to do

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