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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Luke Thomas is away on vac the Homeless

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Speaker 3: Cat's gotta play. Come on in. It's morning combat and

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Speaker 3: it's a big one. Here Monday, July twenty one, twenty

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Speaker 3: combat sports buffet that we saw this weekend. I'm Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 3: Welcome on into the best damn combat sports show that

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Speaker 3: they've got going today period. Yeah you heard that right, Okay,

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Speaker 3: still here right, still fighting for survival and still gonna

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Speaker 3: absolutely bring it. Let's go follow the show, like the show,

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Speaker 3: of our team. While Luke Thomas is away, we have

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Speaker 3: two absolutely elite guests filling in today. Top of the hour,

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Speaker 3: we'll bring on the New York Times bestselling author and

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Speaker 3: Rape Bartholomew. We'll recap everything from Pachiao to Usik Bam

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Speaker 3: Rodriguez and everything else that went on in the Squared

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Speaker 3: Circle over the weekend. But how about this guest to

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Speaker 3: kick things off right, frickin' now for the first time

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Speaker 3: in the six years of Morning Combat, as we're just

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Speaker 3: two weeks off of the show's birthday. My former colleague

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Speaker 3: at ESPN dot com and one of the finest analysts

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Speaker 3: it the man who you want to young Jake check

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Speaker 3: once said was the best looking media member in the world.

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Speaker 3: Today Brett o Kamono of ESPN, Dude, we finally got

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Speaker 3: this together. What happened. Great to see you live from

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Speaker 3: Las Vegas. Bro.

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Speaker 4: There are two ways to look at when you say

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Speaker 4: this is the first time I've been on in the

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Speaker 4: six year history of the show. There's a way of saying,

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Speaker 4: you know, oh my god, this is a big deal.

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Speaker 4: I'm very excited, or like, wow, they didn't invite this

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Speaker 4: a lot of those people must have been very busy

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Speaker 3: Wow, Like I said, off show, I just know he's

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Speaker 3: assume you're better than us, Brett, But you know, maybe

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Speaker 3: it's not you, Maybe it's us at the end of

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Speaker 3: the day. Either way, Live from your bomb Shelter. It

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Speaker 3: seems there in Las Vegas. Thank you for waking up

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Speaker 3: very early. You just got back, I believe, from UFC

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Speaker 3: three eighteen in New Orleans over the weekend. So top

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Speaker 3: up to have you, no question about it. Damn what

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Speaker 3: a weekend. I mean, you know you're here to talk

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Speaker 3: to some MMA. But did you check I got pak Yo?

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Speaker 3: Did you check out who's sick? This is one of

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Speaker 3: the better combat a couple of days we've ever had.

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Speaker 4: I didn't because obviously I was They're going on simultaneously.

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Speaker 4: was it was cool to see how much Teddy Atliss

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Speaker 4: then obviously when Dustin walked out, that was what he

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Speaker 4: Like I just don't know if I love it that much,

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Speaker 3: the evening. Uh quick reminder of the fan. You may

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Speaker 3: Welcome on in, Luke.

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Speaker 5: Hell you guys. Good to be here, dude. We were

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Speaker 3: All right, long, Look, you've been on the show a

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Speaker 3: long time. Getting Brett o Kamota today this is a big,

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Speaker 5: we're we've made it to the big time. We got Brett.

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Speaker 5: So good to have you here, Brett, Thanks for having u.

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Speaker 3: A couple of fact toys between you and I star.

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Speaker 3: You and I go way back in fact you and

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Speaker 4: He did, he did. He actually didn't like anyone talking

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Speaker 3: That's that's a wild relationship. You and I have had

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Speaker 3: we've had. Hey, you're C one ninety nine, Brett, You

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Speaker 3: It's us? And then there's you in Atlanta shaking that

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Speaker 3: Look at this, This is great memory lane, and then

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Speaker 3: great Poorier except for that result, of course. But Brett,

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Speaker 3: So it was so like I said, so much boushido

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Speaker 4: If Timy just would have like moved a little bit here,

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Speaker 3: Was he the belt again? But he chose the two

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Speaker 4: Oh dude, I'm sure his his bank account suer doesn't

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Speaker 4: he Habib? No? But who's Habib? Habib is like, you know,

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Speaker 4: It just so happened that it had never found its

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Speaker 3: Yeah, such an honest style, such a great interview from

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Speaker 3: He deserved it. He did not get the score though,

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Speaker 3: the end. Two judges forty nine forty six, One judge

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Speaker 4: In?

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Speaker 3: Which rounds? Do you think we're fine to score for Pooria?

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Speaker 4: It doesn't matter if you won or lost. And he

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Speaker 4: He really was not in like a poor loser kind

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Speaker 3: a postfight interview after a loss where he didn't angrily

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00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:39,360
Speaker 3: say that he thought he won, right there. Really nice

434
00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:42,160
Speaker 3: performance from Max, who, to be fair, like, we never

435
00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:44,639
Speaker 3: know these days, fight to fight if we feel like

436
00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:46,840
Speaker 3: maybe he's showing signs of going in the other direction.

437
00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:49,760
Speaker 3: Still only thirty three, but has been through the war

438
00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:54,320
Speaker 3: so aggressively yet constantly reinvents himself. There was some some

439
00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:56,880
Speaker 3: question coming in, I mean enough for me to pick

440
00:19:56,960 --> 00:20:00,280
Speaker 3: Poorier as the underdog to win, considering Max was coming

441
00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:03,240
Speaker 3: off that Ko lost to to Poria. But in true

442
00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:06,399
Speaker 3: Max fashion, he sort of pretty quickly showed you that

443
00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:09,359
Speaker 3: he still got it. Do you think he made certain

444
00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:11,960
Speaker 3: adjustments from the first two fights against Pourier to be

445
00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:16,520
Speaker 3: able to cleanly somewhat not dominantly, but cleanly get a

446
00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:19,000
Speaker 3: victory here, or do you think maybe he was just

447
00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:20,439
Speaker 3: the fresher fighter at the end of the day.

448
00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:23,280
Speaker 4: Well, I would hope he made adjustments. They were six

449
00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:25,080
Speaker 4: years ago and twelve years ago, you know, and then

450
00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:26,960
Speaker 4: the guy is just a much better fighter than he was.

451
00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:30,240
Speaker 4: And just to be fair, the circumstances around their first

452
00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:32,240
Speaker 4: two fights, it's just like they do kind of toss

453
00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:33,879
Speaker 4: him out the window. In my mind, going into the

454
00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:36,080
Speaker 4: third one, I did feel like this was a completely

455
00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:38,440
Speaker 4: new fight. So sometimes that gets cliche to say, but

456
00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:40,639
Speaker 4: this one, in this case, it really was to me.

457
00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:42,840
Speaker 4: I mean, you're talking about a situation where like it

458
00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:45,679
Speaker 4: has been six years since the last one, and then

459
00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:48,120
Speaker 4: prior to that, twelve so like you could really throw

460
00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:50,680
Speaker 4: the twelve one out and then the six year one.

461
00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:53,920
Speaker 4: If I'm remembering the circumstances correctly, did they not want

462
00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:57,720
Speaker 4: They wanted Tony right, They wanted Tony Ferguson to fight

463
00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:01,160
Speaker 4: us to the pourier or the interim title. And then

464
00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:04,440
Speaker 4: Tony was in it. I think he was in a

465
00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:07,159
Speaker 4: contract dispute where they he didn't feel like it was

466
00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:09,600
Speaker 4: also just Tony Ferguson, right, and the guy didn't make

467
00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:12,160
Speaker 4: great business decisions along the course of his career at times.

468
00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:14,400
Speaker 4: But for whatever reason, I think that they were really

469
00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:17,720
Speaker 4: going if I'm remembering this right, they were going for

470
00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:21,199
Speaker 4: Tony went down. The wire didn't happen, So then they

471
00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:23,320
Speaker 4: turned to Max. Max is like, of course, I'm game

472
00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:25,440
Speaker 4: goes up. Everybody remember, I mean he even made a

473
00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:28,840
Speaker 4: joke about it to me before the fight that, like,

474
00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:30,480
Speaker 4: the only thing I remember out the first about the

475
00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:32,560
Speaker 4: second fight is that everybody told me I had the

476
00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:34,640
Speaker 4: DC body suit on because he had that little pouch

477
00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:37,280
Speaker 4: on him, you know, he didn't have the ADS, And

478
00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:40,800
Speaker 4: I mean I just think that that was it was

479
00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:42,879
Speaker 4: gonna I figured it was going to be a completely

480
00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:47,640
Speaker 4: different third fight. I mean, Max. He loved being at featherweight.

481
00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:51,520
Speaker 4: He stayed at featherweight until it was essentially like like, dude,

482
00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:54,280
Speaker 4: there's you can't stay at featherweight, like there's literally no

483
00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:56,439
Speaker 4: fight for you anymore. I always thought this was going

484
00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:58,560
Speaker 4: to be a better way class for him. The guy's big, man,

485
00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:01,360
Speaker 4: I mean he saw him next to us, like he's big.

486
00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:04,399
Speaker 4: So I think that just from size alone. And I

487
00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:07,879
Speaker 4: got to be honest, and I said this before. I

488
00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:09,960
Speaker 4: was in favor of Max moving on to one fifty five,

489
00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:12,240
Speaker 4: even before he did. You know, I think he's going

490
00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:13,920
Speaker 4: to be good in this weight class. But to your point,

491
00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:15,920
Speaker 4: he is at that point in his career where he's

492
00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:17,520
Speaker 4: just put on so many miles that you just kind

493
00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:20,200
Speaker 4: of like cross your fingers and hope that the decline

494
00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:22,840
Speaker 4: doesn't come because he's and this is nothing against him,

495
00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:25,439
Speaker 4: but it's just like from a physiological standpoint, it's going

496
00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:27,280
Speaker 4: to come at some point, so you just hope it's

497
00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:30,359
Speaker 4: not coming anytime soon, but it could at any moment.

498
00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:34,119
Speaker 4: But he's in a very good weight class for him now, man,

499
00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:36,119
Speaker 4: I mean the speed is still there. And then you

500
00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:40,159
Speaker 4: know one thing that we said about like after watching

501
00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:42,960
Speaker 4: that Dustin fight in Atlanta, It's like, well, does he

502
00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:44,399
Speaker 4: have the power? Does he have the power to be

503
00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:46,639
Speaker 4: at fifty five? Like he hurt Dustin like that. You know,

504
00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:49,119
Speaker 4: he knocked out Gai Chee immediately. He hurt Gai Chi

505
00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:52,080
Speaker 4: before knocking him out in that fight, So I think

506
00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:53,840
Speaker 4: he does have power, and I think technically he is

507
00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:56,880
Speaker 4: getting better. So yeah, if he doesn't turn old overnight,

508
00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,720
Speaker 4: which because of his long career, he could, but if

509
00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:02,800
Speaker 4: he does, then he's he's very legitimate in his white

510
00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:03,440
Speaker 4: class of course.

511
00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:04,280
Speaker 11: Uh.

512
00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,720
Speaker 3: He talked afterwards saying he could fay, he could chase

513
00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:11,200
Speaker 3: some big BMF names. But the recurring idea of him

514
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,920
Speaker 3: getting a rematch against Ilia to Poria, who has moved

515
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,119
Speaker 3: up after their title fight at Featherway, to capture that

516
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:19,159
Speaker 3: vacant lightweight title. When you look at the landscape of

517
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:23,480
Speaker 3: this division, Brett, is it realistic for the idea of

518
00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:26,160
Speaker 3: Max getting a shot at a second shot at Tuporia

519
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:30,240
Speaker 3: considering his star value, considering that just in this division alone,

520
00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:33,000
Speaker 3: in his last two fights, he's finished Justin Gaegee, who's

521
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:35,360
Speaker 3: still in the title picture, and he sent Pooria into

522
00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:36,679
Speaker 3: retirement with a strong victory.

523
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:40,000
Speaker 4: No zero chance, especially are we talking about next?

524
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Speaker 3: I'm trying to gauge where where do you think he

525
00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:45,720
Speaker 3: should go? I mean, is he farther away than he

526
00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:46,920
Speaker 3: thinks he is to a title shot?

527
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Speaker 4: You think I even think that he knows he's not close,

528
00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:50,919
Speaker 4: But you're going to say it your course, are going

529
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:54,240
Speaker 4: to say what you want. But realistically, how far away

530
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:57,320
Speaker 4: is he from Ilia as of right now? Pretty far,

531
00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:00,240
Speaker 4: I would think. And that's uh, that's not even like

532
00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:03,199
Speaker 4: a ranking standpoint. Yeah, he just he just beat Dustin Pouritier,

533
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:06,080
Speaker 4: but he just lost to Eliot's a Pooria in October

534
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:10,120
Speaker 4: and Elia is like superstar superstar trajectory right now. You're

535
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,720
Speaker 4: not going to then rewind him and put him against

536
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 4: a guy he just knocked out at the end of

537
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 4: last year. That just makes no sense. There's there's bigger fights,

538
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,399
Speaker 4: there's fresher fights, there's new fights for Eliot's a Poia.

539
00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 4: That's unfortunate for Max Holloway, but he's been there before

540
00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 4: with Volkanovski and having to win three fights to get

541
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:28,480
Speaker 4: back to a trilogy fight. So I think what's working

542
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:31,080
Speaker 4: in Maxis favor, of course, is that he's a big name.

543
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,280
Speaker 4: But then there are also other names for him, and

544
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 4: like this BMF thing that, like I felt barely got

545
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:39,960
Speaker 4: mentioned last week. It was just that it was completely

546
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:43,560
Speaker 4: I don't think really anybody's scared all that much about

547
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:44,200
Speaker 4: the BMF.

548
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:46,800
Speaker 3: Over it, right, to be fair, I think this fight

549
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 3: didn't need it, and I'm kind of over it. Yeah

550
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:51,200
Speaker 3: it was cool, but I'm over.

551
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:52,800
Speaker 4: It, and I think a lot of people are over it.

552
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:55,399
Speaker 4: Like it doesn't hurt anything, Like I'm not like getting

553
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:57,119
Speaker 4: out of there, you know, like this is this is crap,

554
00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:59,480
Speaker 4: Like I don't care about about that. But I don't

555
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 4: think anybody he is really paying attention to it anymore.

556
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 4: But I feel like it can stick around in this instance,

557
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 4: just to like add like a slightly new layer. Give

558
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 4: these guys something to fight for it, because there are

559
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:12,119
Speaker 4: fights to have for it. I think Charles olivera is

560
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:14,479
Speaker 4: the most obvious one, and I think like Max mentioning

561
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 4: in it postfight shows that he thinks it's the most

562
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:18,639
Speaker 4: obvious one. Like those there are two guys who are

563
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:21,800
Speaker 4: in all action style. You put them on a poster, dude,

564
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:23,359
Speaker 4: I want to see it. And I actually think that

565
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 4: you could recreate this scenario that we just had send

566
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 4: Max to Brazil. Let him be the bad guy again

567
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 4: against Charles Olivera. I wanted to see Charles Olivera walk

568
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,440
Speaker 4: out of the tunnel in Brazil for a while, he

569
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:35,600
Speaker 4: never got to do so as a champion, and I

570
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 4: mean he has over the course of his career, but

571
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,920
Speaker 4: you know, he was Charles Olivera, Charles Olivera, Charles Olivera,

572
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 4: like the quitter but like also like the submission guy.

573
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:46,639
Speaker 4: And then like you know, he's just like fighting like

574
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:50,399
Speaker 4: an active guy. Like he was fine and he was

575
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 4: up there ranked, but then he had this like renaissance

576
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:54,719
Speaker 4: right where he had a champion. He put away all

577
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 4: of the quitter stuff. You know, he got knocked down,

578
00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 4: rise up. You know, the champion has a name. He

579
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 4: turned in the Superstar. He hasn't been all since then.

580
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:02,639
Speaker 4: So I would love to see him walk out of

581
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:06,639
Speaker 4: the tunnel since he's gotten this you know, superstar Aura,

582
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:08,879
Speaker 4: and to have Max go down there and fight him,

583
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 4: and then you'd have the BMF belt down there. And

584
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 4: it's similar to this one. Take the guy, put him

585
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,879
Speaker 4: in his own home state or country like we did

586
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 4: with Dustin. Have Max walk out from a ranking standpoint,

587
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:24,119
Speaker 4: it makes sense, and then depending on what happens. You know,

588
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 4: there are other BMF fights you can make as you

589
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,439
Speaker 4: kind of allow Max to sort of settle into this division.

590
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 4: But unfortunately, if Eliot has the belt, like you got Islam,

591
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,399
Speaker 4: you got armand you got Patty, you got Gay Scheet,

592
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,879
Speaker 4: it's not gonna happen. So and I think he knows that.

593
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:38,639
Speaker 4: I truly think he knows that. And so it's just

594
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:40,880
Speaker 4: like settle in at this way class, take the fights

595
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 4: and makes sense, make them big, put a BMF belt

596
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 4: on it and just wait. And if you happen to

597
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 4: win all those fights and Elia's still there, then maybe

598
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 4: you can go after him. Or if he loses, then

599
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:52,199
Speaker 4: you know, you never know what's going to.

600
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:52,680
Speaker 7: Happen after that.

601
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, indeed, we mentioned you mentioned earlier that there was

602
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 3: what was teased pointing to the ground final ten seconds.

603
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 3: We of course saw that at UFC one ninety nine

604
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 3: with Ricardo Lamis resurrected so beautifully at UFC three hundred

605
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:09,200
Speaker 3: against Gai Chee. Here's though, Poorier talking about an area

606
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 3: where he did hit a little bit of you know,

607
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 3: criticism that he was shooting for a takedown in the

608
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 3: midst of all that action. Let's hear it.

609
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 8: Yeah, and then I was like I wanted to do it,

610
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 8: you know, That's why I kept looking up at the clock.

611
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 8: I said, when are we doing this?

612
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:22,400
Speaker 9: Yeah?

613
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 8: You saw me looking at the clock a few times.

614
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 8: We're like, okay, that's twenty five seconds left. Is it

615
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 8: not time yet? Then we put it down.

616
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 7: I said, okay, I oblige.

617
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 8: And then he hit me with a few shots and

618
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 8: I said, okay, we're gonna wrestle a little bit.

619
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 7: Let me clinch up. There's only eight seconds left.

620
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 3: Good stuff there from him. My highlight of the night

621
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,200
Speaker 3: was the two of them finding out they did not

622
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,680
Speaker 3: win the bonus backstage and seeing this interaction between them,

623
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 3: Like I said, so much bs in this game. I

624
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:50,359
Speaker 3: love feel good moments like this. Let's listen in on that.

625
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 4: Bro.

626
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 7: Why did we not get butt at night?

627
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:53,200
Speaker 4: Bro? I didn't know.

628
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:54,400
Speaker 7: It's a boot.

629
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:57,879
Speaker 4: Take you telling me man, just as.

630
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 7: We didn't get it, no, they give it, we can

631
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 7: and and I don't even know why we don't almost

632
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 7: finish each other the.

633
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 3: Hell, Bro, we got that.

634
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 7: You're the jam.

635
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 4: Thank you.

636
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 8: It was an honor.

637
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:11,400
Speaker 7: Bro over once your right hand.

638
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, brom and I got.

639
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:16,680
Speaker 7: Yeah.

640
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 12: I like them Herd too.

641
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 3: Br you were there, does that was that the fight

642
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:21,639
Speaker 3: of the night in your eyes?

643
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:23,239
Speaker 4: Uh?

644
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:24,879
Speaker 9: Yeah, I think so.

645
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:28,200
Speaker 4: Although I used Brendon Alan bartin victory wasn't a good fight.

646
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 9: I really did.

647
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 4: I really did like that fight. And sometimes I think

648
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 4: the UFC can get kind of lazy and just make

649
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:34,399
Speaker 4: the bonus the fight of the night bonus just the

650
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 4: main event, just because it was the main event. So

651
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 4: I don't know, Man, we can sit here and always

652
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 4: and always complain about where the bonuses go. I pretty

653
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 4: much never agree with them.

654
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 3: Those two guys are well paid, though, so I'm fine,

655
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 3: you know, if they're you know.

656
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 4: They're I'm fine seeing it. You know, I'm fine seeing

657
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 4: fifty g's go to Marvin and Brendan. I'm sure these

658
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 4: guys made their money. But that that interaction is is phenomenal.

659
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 9: I love It's so good.

660
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 4: Uh.

661
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 3: This wasn't the only fight on the car. It wasn't

662
00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 3: in a great or overly deep pay per view card.

663
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 3: It did of its moments. One of those moments being

664
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 3: in the Cole main event is middleweight Paulo Costa, at

665
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 3: age thirty four, having lost four of his last five.

666
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 3: You could see the urgency in there that he needed

667
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 3: a win, and he delivered it against a streaking Roman

668
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 3: copylav Brett. I have been very critical of Costa since

669
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 3: the loss to Adisania. I don't feel like he sticks

670
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 3: to game plans. He fights as recklessly as he tweets

671
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 3: at times. But this looked like not just a fighter

672
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 3: that was a class above copy Love. But I felt

673
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 3: like it was an efficient use of his destructive tools

674
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 3: to go out there and score a wide decision. How

675
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 3: impressed were you by this performance?

676
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, impressed and very happy to see it. I mean,

677
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 4: you and I are on the exact same page as

678
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 4: cost It's a it's a better division when he is around.

679
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 4: It's a more entertaining division when he's around, you know.

680
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 4: And but he got he's got to be a decent

681
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 4: version of himself. And in the past, I mean, you

682
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 4: had that entire marvelvatory thing which was just wild, you know,

683
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,719
Speaker 4: just like I'm not showing up on weight, Like if

684
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 4: you won't let me fight, then fine, you know, like

685
00:29:58,040 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 4: we're just gonna We're gonna make up a weight when

686
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 4: we get there, you know, and uh and and and

687
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 4: then again, like it just kind of didn't feel like

688
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 4: he cared about winning. It kind of felt like I'm

689
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 4: going to go in and I know, I'm a big,

690
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 4: strong guy. I'm gonna throw my combinations and if the

691
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 4: other guy falls down, great, If not, then whatever, you know,

692
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 4: And it just kind of felt like like he wasn't there.

693
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 4: And I mean, I want to say this all of course, respectfully,

694
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 4: the guy's crawling in there with some of the best

695
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 4: in the world, and it's it's easy when you start

696
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 4: losing to Robert Whitaker when things aren't going to good

697
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 4: to get Sean Strickland and Shawn Strickland's in your face

698
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 4: with it. It's just you know this thing constantly and

699
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 4: it's like you can't get off.

700
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 7: I get it.

701
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 4: But also it's just like it didn't look like there

702
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 4: were any adjustments being made. It didn't look like there

703
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 4: was like to your point game plan or sticking to

704
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 4: a game plan. That's what was impressive to me about

705
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 4: Costa on this one is that he just looked focused.

706
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 4: He looked focused and like he really cared about the outcome.

707
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 4: So and when he does, he's good. You know, a

708
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 4: couple of his is good. And it's not easy to

709
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 4: win a decision against him, especially for a guy like

710
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 4: Coasted who has been you know, you know, if the

711
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 4: knockout doesn't come, then you wonder what he's going to

712
00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 4: look like in the later rounds. And he was still there,

713
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 4: you know, he was still there, and again the focus

714
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 4: was there. So I liked it. It was it was

715
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 4: great to see because there are still some fun fights

716
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 4: to have a costa if he wants to fight, you know,

717
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 4: and there for a while it's like, not only the

718
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 4: performance in the octagon made you wonder if you wanted

719
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 4: to fight, but then like what he was even saying

720
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 4: like let me out of my contract, I don't want

721
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 4: to do this anymore. You know, I was sure, I said,

722
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 4: by his contract, so.

723
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 3: Casually racist in a very aggressive manner on Twitter, pret.

724
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 4: I don't know what's going on over there yet all

725
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 4: that as well, Yeah.

726
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 3: All right. I mean some people were putting up the

727
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 3: picture of him and Tracy Cortez and saying maybe this

728
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 3: was the reason. Normally on the show, we're not allowed

729
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 3: to talk about power couples in MMA, and I don't

730
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 3: even know if they ever have been or are because

731
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 3: of Luke Thomas's preference to talk about his own shitting

732
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 3: history instead. But is that an is that a you're

733
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:45,719
Speaker 3: on the ground out there? Are they a thing?

734
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 7: Or no?

735
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 4: Did I I didn't even know that. I wasn't even

736
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 4: aware of this.

737
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 3: Well I'm wondering if it was because I saw a

738
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 3: lot of people putting that picture out there, and I'm like, yeah,

739
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 3: I get it, I get it.

740
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 4: The detectives are the Internet detectives are usually when they

741
00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 4: get onto something, they're usually not wrong. So I don't know.

742
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 4: Maybe I wouldn't spiss it, but I can't. I can't

743
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 4: share any evidence in support appreciate it.

744
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 3: Ryan Ortega never the same since the ending of that.

745
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 3: When we look up and down this card look Kevin

746
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 3: Holland is determined to be the next Cowboy Seroni and

747
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 3: take sometimes unnecessarily short turnaround fights, usually though that happens

748
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 3: at middleweight, where he hurts his own further momentum and

749
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 3: standing by just staying active cash and paychecks and fighting

750
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 3: whoever's available. At one seventy, it seemed like he was

751
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 3: putting together a little bit of a run coming in

752
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 3: there against a thirty year old Daniel D. Rod Rodriguez,

753
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 3: who had been on a pretty rough streak himself. Of

754
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 3: losses of late. I assumed Holland would continue streaking toward

755
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 3: an eventual, you know, knock on the door of real

756
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 3: title contention at one seventy. Instead, he fought a head

757
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 3: tattooed version of d Rod who was aggressively looking to

758
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 3: save his job. And I really think he did just that,

759
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 3: an impressive and at times powerful, unanimous decision victory. But Brett,

760
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 3: I know this is par for the course and the

761
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:04,959
Speaker 3: Kevin Holland experience. But dude, come on, put it together,

762
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 3: take six months off, show me what you got.

763
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 4: You gotta get, you got, you gotta you get. Sometimes

764
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 4: you gotta let people be who they are. BC. You

765
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 4: know you can't care about Holland's one and seventy pound

766
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 4: run more than Kevin Holland. You know you're setting yourself

767
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 4: up for disappointment. You you want to come on here

768
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 4: and yell angrily at your camera about Kevin Holland. I

769
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 4: have two When I've interviewed him, I've been like, dude,

770
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 4: can you please just stay at one seventy and can

771
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 4: we see what you got? He wants to cash checks, man,

772
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 4: and that's fine, and then you know what, and credit

773
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 4: to him because he could have found a way out

774
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 4: of that of that fight and still cash his check.

775
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 4: But he was He made that fight really really really

776
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 4: entertaining by by coming back by fighting with a sense

777
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 4: of urgency. So you know, he is a cowboy Saroni guy,

778
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 4: and it was frustrating. This is a perfect comparison. I

779
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 4: started laughing when you the way even you said it.

780
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 4: He is determined to be done. And I would get

781
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 4: mad at cowboy Saroni. I'd be like, dude, what are

782
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 4: you doing, Like, like for what for one hundred thousand

783
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 4: dollars show purse you're gonna put on the line something

784
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 4: you could be in a title fight and like one

785
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,840
Speaker 4: more win, you know, and it's just can't do it.

786
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 4: Can't do it. They see a cliff they got to

787
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 4: jump off. They see it.

788
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, same thing Luke says about a fighter pay. If

789
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,839
Speaker 3: they're not going to care, us in the media might

790
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 3: have to just continue to move on and enjoy the fights.

791
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:26,879
Speaker 3: I did enjoy pit Bull, get Patricio Pippoll getting back

792
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:29,880
Speaker 3: on track scoring or first usc SEE victory, and a

793
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 3: fight against Danny Gay that was tense, that times technical,

794
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 3: There were some action moments. It was a spider Man

795
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 3: mean feeling of how they were sized perfectly. But to

796
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 3: see Pitple come in. Maybe we're talking about him getting

797
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 3: a title shot off of a win if he could

798
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 3: get by Yaya Rodriguez. Instead, he had a flat performance.

799
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 3: We don't have a lot of Pitple left at this age.

800
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 3: But what do you make of the version we did

801
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 3: see on Saturday?

802
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 4: Oh? Oh yeah, BC? You want to say hello to BC?

803
00:34:58,280 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 3: What's your little man's first name?

804
00:34:59,680 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 10: Here?

805
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 4: Bro? He's so, what's your name? Cam?

806
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 3: Cam?

807
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 7: Yes?

808
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 3: Yes, Kim, you want to see my new glasses. All

809
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 3: the kids love this trick? All right?

810
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:12,439
Speaker 7: What does he do it? Yeah?

811
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 3: There we go a lot. He's like, Dad, get off

812
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 3: of this show now, Dad please.

813
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 4: All right, I'm gonna be done here in like ten minutes. Okay,

814
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 4: you go ten minutes a right, or I won't help you.

815
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 3: He looks like the mini rushed. Uh Rush holloway right there,

816
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:35,839
Speaker 3: so shout out to him right there?

817
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, I'll take that. That's a compliment. Rush is

818
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 4: a good looking kid.

819
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 3: Uh real, holesome moment there, Brat, thank you?

820
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:46,879
Speaker 4: Oh of course, man. Yeah, he's you can lock him out,

821
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 4: but then he's just gonna start banging. So you're better

822
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:52,799
Speaker 4: off just for bringing him. We were talking about Patricio.

823
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 3: Did yeah, look, it's it's the end of his run.

824
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 3: How much left does he have after this victory? In

825
00:35:58,520 --> 00:35:58,879
Speaker 3: your eyes?

826
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 4: I mean, to win a title is very very hard, right,

827
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 4: and so then to do it at the end of

828
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 4: a very long career is like, do I expect him

829
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 4: or are the odds with him? No, they're not. You know,

830
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 4: but your boys were talking about how they had some

831
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 4: good underdog picks this. I thought the line was insane.

832
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 4: I mean the fact that that Patricio pitt Bull comes

833
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 4: in and looked like he just couldn't really get out

834
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:22,880
Speaker 4: of first gear against how your Rodriguez, who is by

835
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 4: the way, very good younger and it's his first time

836
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 4: coming over to the UC. To then just think that

837
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 4: Dan Egay was like a two and a half to

838
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 4: one favorite over Patricio pit Bull, I was like, dang,

839
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:33,800
Speaker 4: that's crazy to me.

840
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 5: Man.

841
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:36,400
Speaker 4: It's like, I'm not so sure. Pit Bull looked a

842
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 4: little hesitant in his last fight, but he didn't look

843
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,800
Speaker 4: like super old, right, So I think that he's a

844
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 4: competitive fight for just about everyone in that division. I mean,

845
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 4: if he gets his wish and he would fight Aeron Pico.

846
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:51,760
Speaker 4: Are we so sure that he can't beat Aaron Pico?

847
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,320
Speaker 4: And I mean Aaron Pico being injected in this in

848
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 4: the this division is super super interesting, exciting. You know,

849
00:36:57,600 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 4: I would love to see him fight Alex Bolkanowski. But

850
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:01,880
Speaker 4: are he's so sure that pit Bull can't beat him? Like, No,

851
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 4: not at all. So I think he's still got an

852
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 4: outside shot at you know, if the cards fall right,

853
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:10,439
Speaker 4: he could fight for a championship. And he still has

854
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 4: that history of being that long reigning champion, So the

855
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 4: UFC could look at that and be like, in the

856
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 4: right circumstance, we could promote this guy. We could call

857
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,360
Speaker 4: him this monster that would like, you know, rule the

858
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 4: world outside of the UFC for a very long time.

859
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 4: So he's still there, He's still got a chance. And

860
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 4: he did a couple of things to Dany Gay that

861
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:31,880
Speaker 4: just doesn't happen to Dany Gay very often. You know,

862
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 4: cracked him, threw him around a little bit. Like Dan

863
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:37,359
Speaker 4: Egay has never fought for a championship himself, but he's

864
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 4: not a guy that he always gives everybody a tough fight.

865
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 4: And the Pitbull some of the things he did in

866
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 4: that fight showed that he still has some things to offer.

867
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 4: Is it likely? Most likely? Probably not, but I wouldn't

868
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:48,879
Speaker 4: roll it out.

869
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just like to get more chances to see

870
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 3: the captains be dazzled. Jeans in the corner there. Shout

871
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 3: out to Eric al Bura Sine Long Island. Look what

872
00:37:58,600 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 3: do you got on this undercard?

873
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 13: Yeah?

874
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 3: I know you picked up some big betting money over

875
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 3: there on PFL, but who stood out to you on

876
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:05,360
Speaker 3: this undercart?

877
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 5: I mean, dude, the prelims were actually sick on this.

878
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,399
Speaker 6: We started what six straight finishes, five of them first

879
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 6: round finishes. I got to give a shout out to

880
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 6: Gautier knocking out Robert Valentine.

881
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 5: That was pretty sick.

882
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 6: Islam Dulatov look damn good against Adam Fuget. My boy,

883
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 6: Jimmy Kruk got one of the ugliest arm bars I've

884
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 6: ever seen, But shout out to him getting back on

885
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 6: the win. Coluin, Ryan Span got that guillotine. How about

886
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 6: Carly Judy's dude, she looks damn good. She got another

887
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:32,240
Speaker 6: knockout win, only ever won by finish.

888
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:35,239
Speaker 3: And you're talking about her performance, right, not her? And yes, yes,

889
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 3: all right, I appreciate that distinction. Also thirty nine year

890
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:40,839
Speaker 3: old Michael Johnson to close out that main card Brett.

891
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:43,800
Speaker 3: He's on a win streak of three right now and

892
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:47,360
Speaker 3: beating a sending Daniel Zelhueber to a second straight defeat

893
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 3: after a big trash talk build before them. What do

894
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 3: we got here? Just just a little old resurgence for

895
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 3: the one punch knockout machine Michael Johnson.

896
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean it doesn't have to be more

897
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 4: than that. Man. Throw him out there and let him go,

898
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 4: you know, and the hand speed is still there somehow

899
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 4: at thirty nine. I mean, Michael Johnson is not the

900
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 4: young kid coming off the Ultimate Fighter anymore. But when

901
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 4: he starts throwing in the pocket, you can remember just

902
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 4: like dude. That was always what stood out to me

903
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 4: about him. Firstly, he was like a little reckless, like

904
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 4: Michael Johnson was the kind of guy that would fall

905
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 4: over when no one touched him. But then he was

906
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 4: also just like his speed, his hand speed was still there.

907
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:24,800
Speaker 4: So it was fun to watch man, because Michael Johnson

908
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 4: is a very nice guy, very nice guy. You saw

909
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 4: that afterwards, like he was pretty disrespected by it by

910
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 4: Zelle Hooper in the way that the fight played out

911
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:33,879
Speaker 4: how it was booked. But then he was so quick

912
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 4: to give that kid credit. You know, I got like

913
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 4: Michael Johnson was happy to see him get the win,

914
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 4: and then he mentioned, you know, did I really win

915
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 4: by decision? Because I've always been a little salty about

916
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:44,319
Speaker 4: some of the split decisions that haven't gone in place.

917
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 4: It was nice to see.

918
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, it did feel like with Tom Alexander Hernandez woke

919
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 3: up Cowboy Dad Seroni there and found out about that

920
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 3: just the same. All right, two quick ones for you

921
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 3: on the way out here, Brett. Great to have your

922
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:57,879
Speaker 3: reha nite here on today's Morning Combat. Topic number two

923
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 3: is from what we heard after you eighteen Dana White

924
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 3: addressing the media and that recurring topic of John Jones

925
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:08,919
Speaker 3: maybe coming back after retirement, re entering the testing pool

926
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:13,439
Speaker 3: and fighting whoever is champion on the White House lawn.

927
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 3: Not so fast, my friend the boss has spoken. Let's listen.

928
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:20,919
Speaker 5: What's sick here? Sorry?

929
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 4: Good?

930
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:23,319
Speaker 11: Yeah, I know you've got a lot of questions about

931
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:25,879
Speaker 11: the White House card potentially. Connor McGregor has said he's

932
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 11: back in the pool with hopes of potentially fighting on

933
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 11: that like a year from now, and then Nate Diaz

934
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 11: said he would love to be the opponent. I know

935
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 11: you've said that trilogy is something you could do anytime

936
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 11: and it would make sense. Are you interested in doing

937
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 11: business with Nate Daz.

938
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 12: The I love Nate.

939
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 9: I love Nate.

940
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:47,240
Speaker 12: That fights a year away, so I'm not even thinking

941
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:50,399
Speaker 12: about anything right now. The landscape will change so much

942
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 12: by next fourth of July. You know, who knows what's

943
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 12: going to happen. Who knows who's going to be on

944
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 12: the card, or what the main event will be, or

945
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 12: who will hold all the titles, and everything could be

946
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 12: completely different, So it's not even worth thinking about it

947
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 12: right now.

948
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 7: Sure, I guess just one fall up.

949
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:05,760
Speaker 11: I'm not there with John Jones.

950
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 12: I have other problems. I'm dealing with the logistics and

951
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 12: you know, all the things on figuring out how to

952
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:13,879
Speaker 12: make this thing happen.

953
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:14,800
Speaker 5: How do we want to do it.

954
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:17,760
Speaker 12: I'm going to fly out there in about ten days,

955
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 12: two weeks, and we'll have all the renderings done, sit

956
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 12: down with him and go through the renderings and see

957
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 12: what he wants to do and what he doesn't want

958
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 12: to do.

959
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 11: John Jones says he wants to be on there too,

960
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:29,320
Speaker 11: and he says he would fight whoever the champion is

961
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 11: at that time, But would you be okay with him

962
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 11: like coming back and potentially winning that belt again and

963
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 11: you might have to.

964
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:37,439
Speaker 12: Go through It's not even about him winning the belt.

965
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 12: I mean, you know, you know I felt about him.

966
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 12: I just I can't risk putting him in big positions,

967
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 12: in a big spot and have something going wrong.

968
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 4: Fair enough.

969
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 3: Yeah brtt, We're coming off of a two year soap

970
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 3: proper that did not end in Jones Aspinall. I could

971
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 3: fill hours worth of material of how much John Jones

972
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:00,759
Speaker 3: disappoints me at times? Is this the right stance from

973
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 3: the company to be like, you just put us through

974
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 3: yet another shit storm if you will, now, we're just

975
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 3: gonna reward you against Aspinall for the belt on the lawn.

976
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 3: I mean, what are we doing here?

977
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 4: I would love if Dana White came out right now

978
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:16,959
Speaker 4: and said John Jones wants to fight at the White

979
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 4: House in July of twenty twenty six. He can do

980
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 4: so as the defending heavyweight champion after unifying his title

981
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 4: against Tom Aspinall in November at Madison Square. Guarded. If

982
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 4: John Jones fights Tom Aspinall in New York and beats him,

983
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 4: he will headline the White House card. Just come out

984
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:37,800
Speaker 4: and say it, because if he doesn't and John won't

985
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:40,359
Speaker 4: take that, I believe, but who knows, maybe he would,

986
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:42,359
Speaker 4: and then we would all be very happy about that. Right.

987
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:47,799
Speaker 4: But I agree with everything he said. You look back

988
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:49,799
Speaker 4: at the career of John Jones. You know, if you're

989
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 4: in the mind of Dana White, you know, first off,

990
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:54,799
Speaker 4: you remember that he wouldn't fight Chale Sonen on short

991
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 4: notice after Dan Henderson got injured. I actually thought that

992
00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 4: that was perfectly fine. I think a lot of the

993
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:00,840
Speaker 4: sport things like, hey, he was the champion, he has

994
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 4: the right to turn down a short notice challenger. But

995
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 4: Dana White has long held on to that memory. And

996
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 4: then you have, of course UFC two hundred where they're

997
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:10,799
Speaker 4: changing the change in the poster during the week leading

998
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 4: up to it. And then you have also the time

999
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 4: where on Christmas they moved the entire card to Los

1000
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:18,439
Speaker 4: Angeles because Nevada wouldn't license him because of the Pico

1001
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 4: Gram stuff. That was the whole Picogram era. So like

1002
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:22,840
Speaker 4: he has been burned by this guy. And then to

1003
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 4: your point, we are coming off now a year of

1004
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 4: I think this fight's gonna happen with Tom Aspinall. I

1005
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 4: think he's gonna take it, but then he doesn't. So

1006
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 4: why in the world would he commit, first of all

1007
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 4: to a fight that's a year away, but also to

1008
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 4: this guy that has been unreliable in big events. And

1009
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:42,759
Speaker 4: I say that while also giving him credit that like, yes,

1010
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 4: he showed up time and time again. No one is

1011
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:46,959
Speaker 4: disputing John Jones is great, and he defended his titles

1012
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 4: and won all these world championships. That's great, but there

1013
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:52,319
Speaker 4: is a history of this. And also, you don't get

1014
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 4: to duck Tom Aspinall and then come back to fight

1015
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 4: at the last fight in the White House, like, go

1016
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 4: fight him in Madison Square Guard and then we will

1017
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:04,800
Speaker 4: all line up to see you fight whoever at the

1018
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:06,399
Speaker 4: White House on July twenty twenty six.

1019
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, and put some pants on that random woman in

1020
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 3: the car, right. I mean, I don't know what's going

1021
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 3: on here. Here's John Jones's response quickly on Twitter. I'll

1022
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 3: sum it up for you. Hearing that there would be

1023
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:21,319
Speaker 3: a fight from Trump's lips about the White House lawn,

1024
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:26,440
Speaker 3: I guess reaggrevate, you know, ReLit the light, the fighting spirit,

1025
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:33,879
Speaker 3: particularly John saying I can't wait to fight for my country. Brett.

1026
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 3: I don't know if he realizes that this ain't the

1027
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 3: Olympics here, you know what I'm saying, Okay, like you'll

1028
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 3: be fighting on your country. I don't really know if

1029
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:44,799
Speaker 3: it's for your country. But I'm done talking about John

1030
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 3: Jones here. Let's close with this and then you can

1031
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:49,799
Speaker 3: return to being a dad here. Topic number three took

1032
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:53,720
Speaker 3: us to South Africa as PFL Africa made its debut,

1033
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 3: and there was a bit of a star studied main

1034
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 3: card on top of that, including Costello Vanstinas in the

1035
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 3: main events, submitting Johnny Eplin giving him his first defeat

1036
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 3: after losing the first three rounds, rallying in round five

1037
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 3: to submit him to become the inaugural PFL middleweight champion.

1038
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:13,320
Speaker 3: So shout out to Van steinas right there, but Brett.

1039
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 3: The bigger story was in not only the co main event,

1040
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 3: as Dakota Ditchiva finally made her return after a breakout

1041
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 3: year last year, getting a wide unanimous decision over Sumiko

1042
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 3: Naba and a strong performance and then revealing afterwards that

1043
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 3: she signed a multi year deal with the promotion. Considering

1044
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:34,880
Speaker 3: that this hasn't always been a great PR calendar year

1045
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 3: for Don Davis's LinkedIn page and PFL in general, and

1046
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 3: that it took Ditcheva to go on Mike Bones's podcast

1047
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 3: to basically complain and beg to just get a fight

1048
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 3: when she should be the face of the company. How

1049
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 3: big is this for the company in your mind? Re

1050
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:54,400
Speaker 3: signing Ditscheva like this and will they be able to

1051
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 3: keep her busy and challenged enough to make this relationship work.

1052
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 4: I want to see the PFL succeed, man, I know

1053
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:06,320
Speaker 4: you do too. Everybody wants to see the PFL succeed.

1054
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 4: It gives fighters opportunities, it levels out the market. Everybody

1055
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 4: wants to see him succeed. But I look at this

1056
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 4: and you know you mentioned the PR of twenty twenty

1057
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:22,320
Speaker 4: five Belatoor Champions complaining openly, why am I not getting

1058
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:24,439
Speaker 4: a fight? I want to leave? And then they don't

1059
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:26,880
Speaker 4: leave for a while. But then it's just it drags

1060
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 4: on for a few months and then they leave. You know,

1061
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 4: It's just that you question does this team? Does this

1062
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:36,799
Speaker 4: company have a PR strategy?

1063
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 8: Ever?

1064
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 4: And Ditcheva is so incredible. I am all in on Ditshiva.

1065
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 4: I was you know at a bunch of her fights

1066
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:49,279
Speaker 4: last year, she is the real deal. She has fought veterans. Now,

1067
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 4: she has tested. She's not just this flash in the pan.

1068
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 4: She is violent, she is very good, and she's very

1069
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:59,360
Speaker 4: fun to watch, and you should know by now that

1070
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 4: she is the face. And to my knowledge, I still

1071
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 4: don't even think she's been a headliner. They keep putting

1072
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 4: her in the combing event of these cards. That why

1073
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 4: why is she not even the main event if it's happened.

1074
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 4: Maybe it's happened once, but I can't remember. I want

1075
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 4: to say, she's been the coming event pretty much every time,

1076
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 4: and then you resign her. She's gonna fight for the

1077
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 4: first time in twenty twenty five.

1078
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 7: Why didn't you?

1079
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:23,840
Speaker 4: Like? I mean, I didn't hear about this fight. And

1080
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Speaker 4: not only did I not hear about Ditchiva resigning, of

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Speaker 4: course because she made that announcement in the cage, but

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Speaker 4: I didn't really see much promotion or talk about this

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Speaker 4: event at all. It's your first PFL Africa. Where is

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Speaker 4: the promotion? Where is You could have used this news

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Speaker 4: about Ditschiva that people actually care about and use it

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Speaker 4: to promote the event. You know, you could have held

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Speaker 4: a press conference. You could have taken cameras over to

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Speaker 4: her and been like, Ditchiva's signing a multi year deal

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Speaker 4: with the world leading PFL and we're going to take

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Speaker 4: it to Africa like nothing, not a peep, and you

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Speaker 4: and I's friend Coach is over there, and I think

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Speaker 4: it's going to improve because Coach is getting more of

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Speaker 4: a spotlight there.

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Speaker 7: And I know that Coach.

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Speaker 4: That's the way his brain works. He wants to send messages,

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Speaker 4: he wants to of WWE. So I like that move

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Speaker 4: for them, and I like Coach's involvement. Dude, not enough

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Speaker 4: people knew the PFL Africa one happened this weekend. Not

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Speaker 4: enough people knew that Dakota Dishevo was fighting. And then

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Speaker 4: she has this great fight and you're like, dang, I

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Speaker 4: watching it, Like, dude, PFL does some good things over there,

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Speaker 4: but like, can you tell people about it? Can you promote?

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Speaker 4: You know that was Bellatore's problem as well. Bellatore never promoted.

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Speaker 4: They never had a pr strategy, you know, And I

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Speaker 4: get it. It's hard when you're the UFC is going

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Speaker 4: you know, we should have more people should have should

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Speaker 3: I'm with you. I mean they also put the fight

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Speaker 3: on the busiest combat day like ever, like you know

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Speaker 3: what I mean. So it kind of got buried in

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Speaker 3: that regard. But aj McKee gets another win, they need

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Speaker 3: to make him one of their faces and push him

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Speaker 3: and shout out to friend of the program ot himself.

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Speaker 3: Corey Anderson moving up to heavyweight, taking a TKO two

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Speaker 3: I see you the Beast down at the end of

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Speaker 3: the hallway and dorm room whatever that was called. Right there,

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Speaker 3: Bretto Komodo, it has been a pleasure chatting MMA with

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Speaker 3: you and your debut on this program. I believe people

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Speaker 3: can follow your work of course on ESPN dot com.

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Speaker 3: You do great work on the PFL and UFC coverage

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Speaker 3: as well. Anything else that we should promote at the moment.

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Speaker 4: No, man, that's it. Yeah, I'm in the same place

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Speaker 4: Still loving it, fortunate that I've been there. Sorry that

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Speaker 4: it does look like I'm coming to you from a

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Speaker 4: You know. My eyes are a little red because I'm

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Speaker 4: But this is this has been a wonderful way to

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Speaker 4: very positive getting to talk with with Brian Campbell, and Dude,

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Speaker 4: I don't watch boxing as much as I used to,

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Speaker 4: but I feel like a lot of the times when

1144
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Speaker 4: I do turn it on, I see your bright, smiling,

1145
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Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you. You've been doing some great ship

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Speaker 3: the theme of morning combat. So that's good. You know,

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Speaker 3: that's all good. But thank you so much, Brett. We'll

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Speaker 7: Oh you know, it's an honor to get a call

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Speaker 7: up to the big show.

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Speaker 11: You know.

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Speaker 7: I took a shower, I put on a shirt with

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Speaker 7: Now let's get it on.

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Speaker 3: He likes his coffee like he likes his beer and ladies. Right,

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Speaker 3: All right, get on top rafe. We don't have to

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Speaker 3: to our normal Brian Campbell experience youtubing that we do

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Speaker 3: these days. But great to have you here. So much

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Speaker 3: box to get into over the weekend, so let's get

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Speaker 3: right into it. It all starts for me on topic

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Speaker 3: number four. Here, Manuel pakeaw Emanuel Pacchio, excuse me, the

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Speaker 3: forty six year old legend, the living legend. He was

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Speaker 3: back headlining a PBC on Prime pay per view card

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Speaker 3: that I had the privilege of calling from ringside, and

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Speaker 3: in the end, Manny Pacia was forced to settle for

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Speaker 3: a majority draw with WBC welterweight title holder Mario Barrios

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Speaker 3: and this historic comeback fight. As he looked to become

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Speaker 3: everything from the first boxer to win titles in four

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Speaker 3: different decades to the first Hall of Famer to come

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Speaker 3: back and win a title. Oh boy, did he come

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Speaker 3: very close. But in that majority decision in the end,

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Speaker 3: one judge had it slightly for Barrios, the other two

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Speaker 3: fourteen one fourteen. So rafe ah man, you know it's

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Speaker 3: a close fight when I'm getting just as many text

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Speaker 3: messages of people saying Pachioo was robbed as they were

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Speaker 3: you know that Barrios wasn't doing anything. This certainly was historic,

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Speaker 3: even in a draw, just to see him come back

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Speaker 3: and give that performance. But how much at the end

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Speaker 3: of the day, if we're being honest, was this many

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Speaker 3: over exceeding expectations or Barrios being underwhelming, playing to the

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean they might have needed to let him

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Speaker 7: out the cage. Brian, No, uh, I think both things

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Speaker 7: can be true. You have to say that Manny overperformed

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Speaker 7: compared to the expectations of a lot of experts who

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Speaker 7: were genuinely afraid for his safety coming back after for

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Speaker 7: after a four year layoff at age forty six, with

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Speaker 7: just a couple of those weird exhibition fights that he

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Speaker 7: didn't train for and looked like a true shell of

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Speaker 7: himself to to, you know, fight to a draw that

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Speaker 7: a lot of peel. You know, certainly the arena, much

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Speaker 7: of the the you know, the Twitter audience thought that

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Speaker 7: he deserved to win. That's a that is it. That

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Speaker 7: is overperforming for what a lot of people expected from

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Speaker 7: Manny Pacal coming into this fight. But also it unfolded

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Speaker 7: that way because Mario Badrios let it happen. It was

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Speaker 7: up until the moment the scorecards were read, it felt

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Speaker 7: have possibly have hoped for Manny because his opponent was

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Speaker 7: letting him, you know, take round steele rounds in the

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Speaker 7: middle of the fight, build up an advantage on the scorecards,

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00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:56,280
Speaker 7: and wasn't really making him pay for some of the

1289
00:57:56,920 --> 00:58:00,480
Speaker 7: signs of you know, age, the age factor that were

1290
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:02,920
Speaker 7: clear to observe in the fight. Some of the ways

1291
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:05,880
Speaker 7: that many you know, when he gets you know, when

1292
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:08,080
Speaker 7: he falls over his punches. He used to be so

1293
00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:10,200
Speaker 7: athletic and quick that he could just jump out anyway.

1294
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:13,280
Speaker 7: He couldn't this time. But Barrios, more often than not,

1295
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:16,640
Speaker 7: or certainly not often enough, wasn't making him pay. And

1296
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:18,720
Speaker 7: that's what made it such a close and fun fight.

1297
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:21,920
Speaker 7: And it felt like this weird, magical moment was actually

1298
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:24,600
Speaker 7: gonna happen. And then boxing happened.

1299
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 3: I know, but I guess the real debate for me

1300
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:32,200
Speaker 3: here is did boxing really happen? Our unofficial score on

1301
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:35,520
Speaker 3: the broadcast Larry Hazzard had it seven to five for Paqiao. I,

1302
00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:39,720
Speaker 3: joining all three judges and giving Barrios the final three

1303
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:43,120
Speaker 3: rounds had him winning seven to five. Two of the

1304
00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:45,840
Speaker 3: three judges scored it even You did, though, get an

1305
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:49,240
Speaker 3: aggressive response in all areas. Dan Rafael led the charge

1306
00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:52,160
Speaker 3: on Twitter with people that scored it ultimately nine rounds

1307
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:55,120
Speaker 3: to three for Pacquiao and believe that he got robbed.

1308
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:57,680
Speaker 3: You know how, I scored it seven to five Barrios,

1309
00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:01,840
Speaker 3: even though he was largely underwell. Even though Pacquiao did

1310
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:05,360
Speaker 3: land the bigger shots throughout he's just forty six, there

1311
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:07,840
Speaker 3: wasn't enough of them, and in some very close rounds

1312
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:10,480
Speaker 3: it was the jab in the activity of Barrios and

1313
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:12,960
Speaker 3: the few times he would use that counter straight right

1314
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:15,160
Speaker 3: hand that probably could have put Manny in a lot

1315
00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:18,120
Speaker 3: of trouble if he sat down on it. Still, I

1316
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:20,600
Speaker 3: thought he did enough. This takes nothing away from the

1317
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:24,920
Speaker 3: fantastic performance from Pacquiao, But was this really a robbery

1318
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:26,920
Speaker 3: in the end? How did you score it? And how

1319
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:28,080
Speaker 3: do you view that reaction?

1320
00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:29,360
Speaker 2: Uh?

1321
00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:33,080
Speaker 7: You know, it's it's unusual, Brian, because I'm familiar, very

1322
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:37,920
Speaker 7: familiar with your long history of completely insane scorecards. I mean,

1323
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:41,400
Speaker 7: you have some real doozies on your on your resume.

1324
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:46,760
Speaker 3: However, Waite thirteen Thurman over Pacquiao, Glenn, that one.

1325
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:48,920
Speaker 7: Might be at the top of the list. Also, did

1326
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:52,840
Speaker 7: you did you have Danny Jacobs beating Canelo or just drawing.

1327
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:57,480
Speaker 3: It was a draw? Also also I had Trout beating Canelo,

1328
00:59:57,560 --> 01:00:00,440
Speaker 3: and I'm gonna stand on that business, Okay, know the.

1329
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:03,880
Speaker 7: The open the open scoring in that Bout thought otherwise.

1330
01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:07,560
Speaker 7: But anyway, man, Uh, you're not crazy in this one.

1331
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:10,880
Speaker 7: I scored a draw and it's it's not that hard

1332
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:12,520
Speaker 7: for me to see how you could have gotten to

1333
01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:15,360
Speaker 7: seven five for Bodios. It's also and if I'm scoring

1334
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:17,360
Speaker 7: at a draw, and a lot of those rounds were

1335
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:20,720
Speaker 7: close where Nanny was trying. But I don't think that

1336
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:23,320
Speaker 7: effective is trying to land, you know, jump in and

1337
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:25,720
Speaker 7: land either a straight left or a or a two

1338
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:29,240
Speaker 7: one two any some of those vintage many Bucky Ou combinations,

1339
01:00:29,640 --> 01:00:32,720
Speaker 7: and it wasn't they weren't quite landing he was or

1340
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:36,760
Speaker 7: or uh he would he was, you know, falling his

1341
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:39,880
Speaker 7: off balance. It didn't. It didn't. It wasn't like crisp work.

1342
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:43,000
Speaker 7: And then Bodrios wouldn't really counter and they'd reset, and

1343
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:46,480
Speaker 7: Manny would complain about, you know, a body shot that

1344
01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:48,880
Speaker 7: probably wasn't a low blow and that would kill about

1345
01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:51,600
Speaker 7: fifteen seconds and nothing would happen for a while, and

1346
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:53,440
Speaker 7: all of a sudden that's around and you're like, well,

1347
01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:55,640
Speaker 7: I don't know, maybe Manny one there were there were

1348
01:00:55,680 --> 01:00:57,439
Speaker 7: a lot of rounds like that that could have gone

1349
01:00:57,480 --> 01:00:59,840
Speaker 7: either way. So no, as as much as I love

1350
01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:04,960
Speaker 7: to give you a hard time for your eccentric judging opinions,

1351
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:07,360
Speaker 7: I don't blame you for this one, but I'm kind

1352
01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:11,880
Speaker 7: of curious. How how are the Netizins treating you for

1353
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:12,360
Speaker 7: this one?

1354
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:15,480
Speaker 3: The Netazins are just fine. I really I didn't get

1355
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:17,440
Speaker 3: any crap, but it's just it's weird. Though I did get,

1356
01:01:17,560 --> 01:01:20,000
Speaker 3: Like I said, I saw some whether it's texts or

1357
01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:23,880
Speaker 3: emails or whatever DMS, I got some very aggressive reactions

1358
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:27,360
Speaker 3: split from the Pakiel was robbed to the man. He

1359
01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:30,000
Speaker 3: wasn't even connecting clean, but the crowd went nuts. And

1360
01:01:30,080 --> 01:01:33,120
Speaker 3: in some cases that was true because that was in

1361
01:01:33,320 --> 01:01:36,640
Speaker 3: old school Paqil crowd. So not only look, did it

1362
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:38,840
Speaker 3: mean a lot to me calling the biggest fight of

1363
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:40,560
Speaker 3: my career. Did I ever think I'd be calling a

1364
01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:42,040
Speaker 3: Manny Pacquiao pay per view fight?

1365
01:01:42,840 --> 01:01:42,880
Speaker 4: No?

1366
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:44,760
Speaker 3: No, I would have hoped to and loved to. I

1367
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:47,680
Speaker 3: never thought I would. There was that magical feeling when

1368
01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:51,080
Speaker 3: he came out. There was that like as the fight,

1369
01:01:51,240 --> 01:01:53,800
Speaker 3: as the round started to progress, there was that like,

1370
01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:56,880
Speaker 3: how the hell is he doing this? And when does

1371
01:01:56,960 --> 01:01:59,200
Speaker 3: it the clock turn midnight? When is he going to

1372
01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:02,520
Speaker 3: gasp out? Or when is Barrio's gonna listen to Bob

1373
01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:05,600
Speaker 3: Santos and really sit down on those right handed shots

1374
01:02:05,640 --> 01:02:06,320
Speaker 3: and start fighting.

1375
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:06,600
Speaker 13: Mean?

1376
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:09,680
Speaker 3: Now, he never committed to the mean To his credit,

1377
01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:11,880
Speaker 3: he did at least rally and put on more pressure

1378
01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:14,720
Speaker 3: and like I said, I thought he won, but it

1379
01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:16,640
Speaker 3: was a close fight that could have gone either way.

1380
01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:21,640
Speaker 3: But rafe that magical feeling of Pacquiao doing something in

1381
01:02:21,720 --> 01:02:23,520
Speaker 3: front of your eyes, literally right in front of me,

1382
01:02:23,600 --> 01:02:26,560
Speaker 3: with his giant ass calves in those beautiful Keith van

1383
01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:32,520
Speaker 3: Horn high socks. There was this like Ali Jordan on

1384
01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:36,520
Speaker 3: the Wizards type of feeling of like, this damn legend

1385
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:40,400
Speaker 3: has no business doing this right now, but he can't

1386
01:02:40,520 --> 01:02:43,840
Speaker 3: help but being great, like he can't help that even

1387
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:48,000
Speaker 3: this after ass market version of him is still out

1388
01:02:48,080 --> 01:02:51,400
Speaker 3: here doing things that are insanely impossible. I don't know

1389
01:02:51,480 --> 01:02:53,360
Speaker 3: what it felt like to be a fan of Muhammad

1390
01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:56,440
Speaker 3: Ali when he goes to Zaar and knocks out George Foreman,

1391
01:02:56,560 --> 01:02:59,640
Speaker 3: or survives the Thriller in Manila, or beats Leon Spinks

1392
01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:01,840
Speaker 3: in the car back. But I got a little bit

1393
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:05,600
Speaker 3: of those feels being ringside, and it really just reminds

1394
01:03:05,640 --> 01:03:09,240
Speaker 3: you how insanely unique and special and one of one

1395
01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:14,760
Speaker 3: many paciow is. You're the resident Manipacio super fan, that's

1396
01:03:14,840 --> 01:03:17,640
Speaker 3: the guy that dipped you deep back into the hardcore

1397
01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:21,280
Speaker 3: of this sport. What were you feeling from that same

1398
01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:27,080
Speaker 3: sort of romanticized viewpoint of this aging living legend doing

1399
01:03:27,160 --> 01:03:30,080
Speaker 3: this shit. He should have got destroyed, and somehow he didn't.

1400
01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:33,240
Speaker 7: Rave it was it was confused. I was confused. I

1401
01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:36,000
Speaker 7: was all mixed up inside because on one hand, I

1402
01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:39,200
Speaker 7: am rooting for that narrative, right because it's it really

1403
01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:42,720
Speaker 7: was all lining up for him, But except not in

1404
01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:44,680
Speaker 7: the way that if I were, you know, if I

1405
01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:47,400
Speaker 7: were writing it in a screenplay, it would happen where

1406
01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:51,160
Speaker 7: he he summons this, you know, he summons a true

1407
01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:55,240
Speaker 7: almost vintage like the version of Many Pakiao who beat

1408
01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:57,760
Speaker 7: Keith Thurman? What was that four or five years ago?

1409
01:03:58,120 --> 01:04:02,840
Speaker 3: Twenty nineteen, so sixty years ago? Good Evan, Yes, no, yeah,

1410
01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:05,120
Speaker 3: I can count all right, I can't how much Community

1411
01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:06,439
Speaker 3: College keep going?

1412
01:04:08,280 --> 01:04:11,800
Speaker 7: But uh nah, He's like it wasn't happening in that

1413
01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:14,320
Speaker 7: way where he was really taking over The fight looked

1414
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:18,400
Speaker 7: truly impressive. He it was on And I'm curious sort

1415
01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:21,280
Speaker 7: of what you observed that ring side of this, Brian,

1416
01:04:21,640 --> 01:04:25,120
Speaker 7: what what do you How do you explain how Mario

1417
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:28,840
Speaker 7: Badios approached that fight? Did he was it or and

1418
01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:31,439
Speaker 7: why he couldn't pull the trigger a little bit more

1419
01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:34,320
Speaker 7: and maybe try to walk Manny down I think Manny

1420
01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:38,040
Speaker 7: looked like he was uncomfortable under pressure and not as

1421
01:04:38,200 --> 01:04:41,440
Speaker 7: dangerous with his counter attacks as he used to be.

1422
01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:44,320
Speaker 7: Like he you know, he was, you know, once he is,

1423
01:04:44,520 --> 01:04:47,080
Speaker 7: momentum was going backward. It was harder for him to

1424
01:04:47,120 --> 01:04:50,080
Speaker 7: change directions. I think that a fighter who was who

1425
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:53,440
Speaker 7: would be willing to put more pressure on him and

1426
01:04:53,880 --> 01:04:57,200
Speaker 7: make him defend more might, even though that means taking

1427
01:04:57,280 --> 01:04:59,760
Speaker 7: on danger and many must still have enough pop in

1428
01:04:59,840 --> 01:05:02,560
Speaker 7: that left hand and some of those surprising little right

1429
01:05:02,640 --> 01:05:06,800
Speaker 7: hooks that he'll throw around the guard to keep people honest.

1430
01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:10,000
Speaker 7: But but I was, you know it, So I'm rooting

1431
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:11,919
Speaker 7: for this narrative. I'm like, man he might. It looks

1432
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:14,440
Speaker 7: like this is gonna happen all the way up into

1433
01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:17,200
Speaker 7: when the scorecards are red. But it wasn't, you know,

1434
01:05:17,680 --> 01:05:20,560
Speaker 7: you know, because my I couldn't quite you know, I

1435
01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:22,320
Speaker 7: still have to believe what I'm seeing with my own

1436
01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:25,520
Speaker 7: two eyes, which is that, Okay, this is this A

1437
01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:27,760
Speaker 7: lot of the story here is Mario Badrios and for

1438
01:05:28,080 --> 01:05:32,640
Speaker 7: one reason or another, underperforming pretty severely. And and I

1439
01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:35,880
Speaker 7: don't like this doesn't look like uh so, it doesn't

1440
01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:39,440
Speaker 7: look like a top welterweight champion. This looks like a

1441
01:05:39,480 --> 01:05:43,360
Speaker 7: guy who's going to maybe, uh you know, snag a

1442
01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:46,280
Speaker 7: belt off of the weakest champion in the division, which

1443
01:05:46,320 --> 01:05:47,320
Speaker 7: is kind of what it was.

1444
01:05:48,120 --> 01:05:50,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the best way to answer that question

1445
01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:52,840
Speaker 3: is how you answered my original one. It is a

1446
01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:55,320
Speaker 3: little bit of both, and here's how I'll say it. Look,

1447
01:05:55,400 --> 01:05:57,600
Speaker 3: Rounds three and four were what I thought were the

1448
01:05:57,680 --> 01:06:00,200
Speaker 3: best for Barrios. That those were the two rounds that

1449
01:06:00,320 --> 01:06:02,480
Speaker 3: he was sitting down on that counter right hand. He

1450
01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:06,080
Speaker 3: was timing Pacquiao's darting in and out, and Pacquiao was

1451
01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:08,600
Speaker 3: you know, there was a few times he get hit

1452
01:06:08,680 --> 01:06:10,480
Speaker 3: with that straight right and he'd not only shake it off.

1453
01:06:10,560 --> 01:06:12,200
Speaker 3: You can see the grimace he get hit with the

1454
01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:14,600
Speaker 3: body shot. You could see the grimace. You could see

1455
01:06:14,640 --> 01:06:17,760
Speaker 3: how laboring he was in little split seconds, and then

1456
01:06:17,760 --> 01:06:20,840
Speaker 3: he'd pull it back together and be manny where. That's

1457
01:06:20,920 --> 01:06:25,000
Speaker 3: the way that fight should have went in all reality. Now, look, overarching,

1458
01:06:25,600 --> 01:06:30,320
Speaker 3: is Barriosi beatable champion, which means he's good but flawed. Yes,

1459
01:06:30,480 --> 01:06:33,040
Speaker 3: And we all knew that coming in. He's been prone

1460
01:06:33,080 --> 01:06:35,880
Speaker 3: to hot and cold performances. The takedown he had two

1461
01:06:35,960 --> 01:06:39,040
Speaker 3: years ago against jordanis Ugas, where he just dominated him

1462
01:06:39,040 --> 01:06:41,720
Speaker 3: over twelve rounds and sent him into retirement. We don't

1463
01:06:41,720 --> 01:06:43,960
Speaker 3: always see that guy now. He did have the right

1464
01:06:44,040 --> 01:06:47,560
Speaker 3: excuses for why his draw against journeyman albil Ramos on

1465
01:06:47,720 --> 01:06:50,800
Speaker 3: the Jake Paul Mike Tyson undercard turned so badly. He

1466
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:53,840
Speaker 3: was ill throughout the training camp, like really badly, and

1467
01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:55,640
Speaker 3: then he basically had to use the rest of the

1468
01:06:55,680 --> 01:06:58,040
Speaker 3: training camp to make weight. He got rocked in the

1469
01:06:58,080 --> 01:06:59,680
Speaker 3: second half. He didn't have the gas and he was

1470
01:06:59,720 --> 01:07:02,160
Speaker 3: bare able to hang on. That, of course, was the

1471
01:07:02,200 --> 01:07:06,800
Speaker 3: fight that that Manny now reveals. Jinki was watching and said, Manny,

1472
01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:08,840
Speaker 3: I think you can beat this guy, but only this guy,

1473
01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:12,600
Speaker 3: so as the foundation, that's all true. But the reason

1474
01:07:12,640 --> 01:07:14,760
Speaker 3: why he didn't return to who he was in rounds

1475
01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:18,000
Speaker 3: three or four was because Pachios started to time in

1476
01:07:18,160 --> 01:07:21,160
Speaker 3: that leaping lead left hand on him and it was

1477
01:07:21,240 --> 01:07:23,600
Speaker 3: becoming a problem, and that lead left hand to turn

1478
01:07:23,720 --> 01:07:26,959
Speaker 3: into a counter left hand that not only took away

1479
01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:30,200
Speaker 3: the jab of Barrios for essentially that entire middle portion

1480
01:07:30,320 --> 01:07:33,720
Speaker 3: of the bout, allowing Pakio to surge to get upwards

1481
01:07:33,760 --> 01:07:36,040
Speaker 3: of four consecutive rounds in a row on most people's

1482
01:07:36,040 --> 01:07:38,360
Speaker 3: scorecards in a couple of those rounds. By the way,

1483
01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:40,880
Speaker 3: he did do the Ray Leonard versus Hagular thing of

1484
01:07:40,960 --> 01:07:46,000
Speaker 3: smartly flurrying in the final thirty seconds. But he disciplined

1485
01:07:46,200 --> 01:07:49,600
Speaker 3: Mario Barrios one million percent. You heard that in the

1486
01:07:49,640 --> 01:07:52,080
Speaker 3: post fight interview where Barrios was like, he was so

1487
01:07:52,240 --> 01:07:55,400
Speaker 3: much more tricky and awkward than I expected. He was

1488
01:07:55,480 --> 01:07:58,280
Speaker 3: faster than I expected. That's what Chris al Jerry told

1489
01:07:58,360 --> 01:08:01,680
Speaker 3: us on this show, that that explosive first step, which

1490
01:08:02,160 --> 01:08:05,400
Speaker 3: is diminished at forty six, but still there. He's just

1491
01:08:05,600 --> 01:08:08,440
Speaker 3: in your space before you even realize he is, and

1492
01:08:08,560 --> 01:08:11,040
Speaker 3: he's throwing from awkward angles. The fact that it was

1493
01:08:11,080 --> 01:08:13,439
Speaker 3: a forty six year old who I think in rounds

1494
01:08:13,480 --> 01:08:17,320
Speaker 3: three and four got slightly beat up enough where he's like, Okay,

1495
01:08:17,400 --> 01:08:19,840
Speaker 3: I got to fight my way out of this, dude.

1496
01:08:19,880 --> 01:08:24,439
Speaker 3: He disciplined the younger and more inexperienced fighter. Only he's

1497
01:08:24,520 --> 01:08:28,439
Speaker 3: not that inexperience inexperience compared to Manny, but we have

1498
01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:30,559
Speaker 3: seen him lose twice on the pay per view level

1499
01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:33,479
Speaker 3: to Tank and Thurman and all to talk about him

1500
01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:37,160
Speaker 3: making the right adjustments. So those type of fights never

1501
01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:40,280
Speaker 3: happen again. Dude, this is yet the second fight in

1502
01:08:40,320 --> 01:08:42,479
Speaker 3: a row. He's lucky to walk away with this title.

1503
01:08:43,439 --> 01:08:45,640
Speaker 3: I couldn't score it for Manny based on just the

1504
01:08:45,720 --> 01:08:48,080
Speaker 3: math of ten to nine each round, but in the

1505
01:08:48,439 --> 01:08:50,800
Speaker 3: story of the fight and the mythical Max Kellerman way

1506
01:08:50,840 --> 01:08:53,600
Speaker 3: of looking at it, Dude, Pac won every inch of

1507
01:08:53,720 --> 01:08:56,360
Speaker 3: this story. And he did it by disciplining him. I mean,

1508
01:08:56,400 --> 01:08:58,519
Speaker 3: did you see that same thing where he made Barrios

1509
01:08:58,680 --> 01:09:02,320
Speaker 3: really really the question and think about whether he's willing

1510
01:09:02,400 --> 01:09:04,200
Speaker 3: to take the chance of getting knocked down or knocked

1511
01:09:04,240 --> 01:09:07,120
Speaker 3: out on one of those rocket left hands and somehow

1512
01:09:07,400 --> 01:09:08,479
Speaker 3: still had some fuel in it.

1513
01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:11,600
Speaker 7: No, you're right, it is and and it that is

1514
01:09:11,880 --> 01:09:15,519
Speaker 7: to quote Brian Campbell when he said a few minutes

1515
01:09:15,520 --> 01:09:18,200
Speaker 7: ago that Nanny is and I believe also said on

1516
01:09:18,280 --> 01:09:20,880
Speaker 7: the broadcast, nice work. Uh, you know called Manny a

1517
01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:23,280
Speaker 7: one of one athlete, a one of one fighter, you know,

1518
01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:26,719
Speaker 7: not just generational, but uh and a true all timer.

1519
01:09:27,080 --> 01:09:30,760
Speaker 7: That the kind of you know, boxer we're probably not

1520
01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:33,000
Speaker 7: going to see again as long as we live.

1521
01:09:33,479 --> 01:09:33,599
Speaker 3: Uh.

1522
01:09:34,360 --> 01:09:37,439
Speaker 7: And he that that even the a version of him

1523
01:09:37,479 --> 01:09:40,640
Speaker 7: that to the naked eye looks so much slower and

1524
01:09:41,040 --> 01:09:44,559
Speaker 7: and and less explosive and and compared to the version

1525
01:09:44,560 --> 01:09:47,280
Speaker 7: of him that was beating Keith Thurman even six years ago,

1526
01:09:47,560 --> 01:09:51,280
Speaker 7: let alone the the insane buzz saw he was in

1527
01:09:51,400 --> 01:09:55,519
Speaker 7: that early welterweight, junior welterweight run through Oscar de la Joya,

1528
01:09:55,600 --> 01:09:58,840
Speaker 7: then then down to Ricky Hatton, then Miguel Coto, you know,

1529
01:09:59,280 --> 01:10:01,680
Speaker 7: Claudie Mark, all of those wins, I mean, forget it,

1530
01:10:02,520 --> 01:10:05,560
Speaker 7: but that he could look like maybe only you know,

1531
01:10:05,760 --> 01:10:08,040
Speaker 7: fifty percent of that or less than fifty percent of that,

1532
01:10:08,120 --> 01:10:11,479
Speaker 7: and still be so quick, so fast, and so awkward

1533
01:10:11,640 --> 01:10:15,519
Speaker 7: that a fighter sixteen years his junior couldn't pick up

1534
01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:19,080
Speaker 7: or was or was cautious enough about getting picked off

1535
01:10:19,479 --> 01:10:23,479
Speaker 7: by that left hand that it swung the fight in

1536
01:10:23,520 --> 01:10:26,120
Speaker 7: the middle rounds and made most of the people watching

1537
01:10:26,280 --> 01:10:28,600
Speaker 7: think that, you know, this is close. I don't know

1538
01:10:28,920 --> 01:10:33,759
Speaker 7: if Many you know is winning clearly, but I'm gonna assume,

1539
01:10:33,880 --> 01:10:37,120
Speaker 7: since it's Many Pakiao and this and this narrative you know,

1540
01:10:37,320 --> 01:10:40,120
Speaker 7: belongs to him, that the judges are going to find

1541
01:10:40,160 --> 01:10:43,400
Speaker 7: a way to see him winning the majority of these

1542
01:10:43,479 --> 01:10:46,320
Speaker 7: rounds and walking away with a decision. I said before

1543
01:10:46,400 --> 01:10:49,280
Speaker 7: the fight that if many you know, wins four rounds,

1544
01:10:49,320 --> 01:10:51,760
Speaker 7: they'll figure out a way to give him the fight.

1545
01:10:52,080 --> 01:10:54,360
Speaker 7: He did much better than that and came out with

1546
01:10:54,400 --> 01:10:57,840
Speaker 7: a draw. So boxing the theater of the unexpected. Shout

1547
01:10:57,880 --> 01:11:00,479
Speaker 7: out to Larry Merchant and all of those right old,

1548
01:11:00,600 --> 01:11:04,320
Speaker 7: uh old old maxims about the sport. I have one

1549
01:11:04,400 --> 01:11:09,480
Speaker 7: question for you, Brian, about Mario Barrios. Uh, what what compromat?

1550
01:11:09,720 --> 01:11:14,360
Speaker 7: What leverage does he have on the boxing world that

1551
01:11:14,680 --> 01:11:18,840
Speaker 7: I mean, these two very controversial draws in a row.

1552
01:11:19,240 --> 01:11:23,080
Speaker 7: His his first huge step up fight way back in

1553
01:11:23,160 --> 01:11:26,800
Speaker 7: the day against what Batier Akmedovy. A lot of people,

1554
01:11:26,800 --> 01:11:28,920
Speaker 7: I mean, he he did a great fight. He he

1555
01:11:29,040 --> 01:11:32,280
Speaker 7: dropped Akmedov at the end, uh and made it and

1556
01:11:32,680 --> 01:11:34,200
Speaker 7: at least made a case for a winning But a

1557
01:11:34,280 --> 01:11:36,120
Speaker 7: lot of you know, a lot of people still scored

1558
01:11:36,200 --> 01:11:39,000
Speaker 7: that for the opponent he and has has had some

1559
01:11:39,160 --> 01:11:41,840
Speaker 7: serious luck in his personal life and his love life.

1560
01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:45,200
Speaker 7: We could say yeah, but all over the time talking

1561
01:11:45,320 --> 01:11:50,760
Speaker 7: about we just you know you if if you know,

1562
01:11:50,920 --> 01:11:54,880
Speaker 7: you know he's so he's sort of touched by by

1563
01:11:55,000 --> 01:11:55,479
Speaker 7: something here.

1564
01:11:55,680 --> 01:11:56,160
Speaker 4: What does he have?

1565
01:11:56,360 --> 01:11:58,840
Speaker 7: Does he have an island? Is he flying judges down

1566
01:11:58,920 --> 01:12:01,160
Speaker 7: to an island and getting the blackmail on them. What's

1567
01:12:01,160 --> 01:12:01,760
Speaker 7: going on with him?

1568
01:12:01,800 --> 01:12:03,720
Speaker 3: I don't think so. I don't think he's gonna show

1569
01:12:03,760 --> 01:12:05,400
Speaker 3: up on the Epstein files either, if that's where you

1570
01:12:05,479 --> 01:12:08,320
Speaker 3: were going with that. But I think ultimately it was

1571
01:12:08,400 --> 01:12:12,000
Speaker 3: maybe happenstance in both situations because for everybody saying, oh

1572
01:12:12,120 --> 01:12:15,480
Speaker 3: he got the PVC railroad job, they paid for these scorecards.

1573
01:12:15,560 --> 01:12:18,080
Speaker 3: They wanted to use Manny to build up the fight,

1574
01:12:18,160 --> 01:12:21,400
Speaker 3: but have their champion win. It's like, are you following

1575
01:12:21,439 --> 01:12:23,840
Speaker 3: boxing in twenty twenty five? You think this promotion would

1576
01:12:23,920 --> 01:12:26,519
Speaker 3: rather have Manny as the champion right now or Barrios.

1577
01:12:26,840 --> 01:12:29,479
Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, like, I don't

1578
01:12:29,520 --> 01:12:31,720
Speaker 3: know Barrios is who he is man You know, it

1579
01:12:31,800 --> 01:12:33,880
Speaker 3: has to be frustrating maybe for Bob Santos in the

1580
01:12:33,960 --> 01:12:36,640
Speaker 3: corner he said the right things. Barrios did enough to

1581
01:12:36,760 --> 01:12:40,280
Speaker 3: save it. But now we're in this you know tie

1582
01:12:40,400 --> 01:12:43,439
Speaker 3: feels like kissing your sister type of thing where nobody

1583
01:12:43,560 --> 01:12:46,200
Speaker 3: really knows where to how to move forward. We didn't

1584
01:12:46,240 --> 01:12:49,720
Speaker 3: get the historic breakthrough, feel good moment, and now we're like,

1585
01:12:49,920 --> 01:12:52,000
Speaker 3: what do we do? Do we do it again? It

1586
01:12:52,160 --> 01:12:53,920
Speaker 3: kind of goes without saying that we are in a

1587
01:12:54,240 --> 01:12:58,280
Speaker 3: very down era at welterweight, a historic star pay per

1588
01:12:58,400 --> 01:13:02,719
Speaker 3: view division, that this would be possible. That's true. Barrios

1589
01:13:02,880 --> 01:13:06,280
Speaker 3: was the perfect champion, as much as John Ruiz was

1590
01:13:06,360 --> 01:13:08,880
Speaker 3: for Roy Jones, you know, for example, in a different

1591
01:13:08,920 --> 01:13:12,479
Speaker 3: sort of scenario. But now, what do we do? Manny's

1592
01:13:12,479 --> 01:13:15,280
Speaker 3: saying afterwards that like, yeah, I think I can fight again.

1593
01:13:16,400 --> 01:13:18,879
Speaker 3: They both kind of said they'd be interested for a rematch.

1594
01:13:19,000 --> 01:13:21,160
Speaker 3: I don't know if the public would be. You'd assume

1595
01:13:21,720 --> 01:13:24,360
Speaker 3: that with another year of you know, many turning forty

1596
01:13:24,400 --> 01:13:28,160
Speaker 3: seven in December, that maybe Barrios would would listen to

1597
01:13:28,200 --> 01:13:30,639
Speaker 3: the criticism, watch the tape and be a lot better

1598
01:13:30,960 --> 01:13:34,680
Speaker 3: next time. Or should you try to f around and

1599
01:13:34,840 --> 01:13:40,080
Speaker 3: do a Floyd rematch, do a fight against Roly Romero

1600
01:13:40,280 --> 01:13:44,680
Speaker 3: for a Walterway title? How does this blah result to

1601
01:13:44,800 --> 01:13:47,160
Speaker 3: a fight that was fun to watch? I loved calling it,

1602
01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:50,640
Speaker 3: but we didn't get a result that was climactic, that

1603
01:13:50,840 --> 01:13:54,040
Speaker 3: was cement, that was solid. Where do we go with

1604
01:13:54,160 --> 01:13:55,320
Speaker 3: Pachio moving forward?

1605
01:13:56,200 --> 01:14:01,120
Speaker 7: If I am Sean Gibbons, the manager of men, shout

1606
01:14:01,120 --> 01:14:04,920
Speaker 7: out the knucklehead Sean yeah, and there and everybody at

1607
01:14:04,960 --> 01:14:07,760
Speaker 7: PBC trying to plan out the many you know what

1608
01:14:07,920 --> 01:14:11,960
Speaker 7: what's next for Manny? I would probably just for just

1609
01:14:12,160 --> 01:14:15,040
Speaker 7: act like you won, just pretend like what, take the draw,

1610
01:14:15,280 --> 01:14:17,639
Speaker 7: move on and and try to make something bigger, because

1611
01:14:18,760 --> 01:14:22,320
Speaker 7: while it would be, it would be they could sell

1612
01:14:22,360 --> 01:14:25,960
Speaker 7: another body, they could sell a Barrios rematch, but there

1613
01:14:26,280 --> 01:14:29,559
Speaker 7: if there truly, if those rumors about a Floyd rematch

1614
01:14:29,800 --> 01:14:33,479
Speaker 7: are true, why not just why not just plow straight

1615
01:14:33,520 --> 01:14:36,240
Speaker 7: ahead into that because it's not that it's twenty twenty five.

1616
01:14:36,360 --> 01:14:40,719
Speaker 7: Brian boxers make a lot of fights that don't make sense,

1617
01:14:41,200 --> 01:14:44,679
Speaker 7: you know, in any other world except the strange, twisted,

1618
01:14:45,120 --> 01:14:49,519
Speaker 7: funhouse mirror universe of boxing. And if and certainly there

1619
01:14:49,560 --> 01:14:51,880
Speaker 7: could be it's not hard to imagine a world in

1620
01:14:51,920 --> 01:14:54,320
Speaker 7: which there's like, there's so much money on the table,

1621
01:14:54,400 --> 01:14:57,320
Speaker 7: so much such so much pay per view money out

1622
01:14:57,400 --> 01:15:00,960
Speaker 7: there for a Manny and Floyd match. With Manny, I

1623
01:15:01,040 --> 01:15:03,720
Speaker 7: mean many, like you said, the story of the fight,

1624
01:15:03,920 --> 01:15:07,160
Speaker 7: let just carry that and try and parlay it into

1625
01:15:07,640 --> 01:15:11,120
Speaker 7: the big payday, which is you know it would people

1626
01:15:11,200 --> 01:15:13,560
Speaker 7: I'd get excited for it. I like, I don't. I

1627
01:15:13,600 --> 01:15:15,960
Speaker 7: wouldn't expect it to be a great fight, but I

1628
01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:18,000
Speaker 7: would still get excited for it. And and there are

1629
01:15:18,080 --> 01:15:20,360
Speaker 7: other options if Floyd is not coming out of retirement.

1630
01:15:20,800 --> 01:15:23,760
Speaker 3: Uh is that a safe fight or is that a

1631
01:15:23,880 --> 01:15:24,599
Speaker 3: really bad idea?

1632
01:15:24,680 --> 01:15:25,080
Speaker 1: What do you think?

1633
01:15:25,160 --> 01:15:27,880
Speaker 7: I think it's it makes sense. That's that that makes

1634
01:15:27,960 --> 01:15:32,280
Speaker 7: perfect sense. There are opponents at welterweight who have name value,

1635
01:15:32,560 --> 01:15:35,439
Speaker 7: who are affiliated you know, who fight for PBC, and

1636
01:15:35,600 --> 01:15:39,840
Speaker 7: who you know and who are beatable or it's not

1637
01:15:40,040 --> 01:15:42,880
Speaker 7: hard to imagine this version of many that we saw

1638
01:15:43,280 --> 01:15:46,000
Speaker 7: after having what they said was a great training camp

1639
01:15:46,040 --> 01:15:48,960
Speaker 7: in La, really dedicated sort of you know, everything went right.

1640
01:15:49,360 --> 01:15:52,000
Speaker 3: Uh, no drama. I heard no drama at all because

1641
01:15:52,080 --> 01:15:54,519
Speaker 3: Jinki was in control. They said people were scared of her.

1642
01:15:54,600 --> 01:15:55,160
Speaker 3: That's what I heard.

1643
01:15:55,800 --> 01:15:58,560
Speaker 7: No, Yeah, no more cock fighting, no more womanizing, no

1644
01:15:58,760 --> 01:16:00,920
Speaker 7: more ability to be a little bit of billiards. Uh,

1645
01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:03,960
Speaker 7: but yeah, you gotta you gotta have some room for billiards.

1646
01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:07,759
Speaker 7: But he's I think that makes sense. Like and especially

1647
01:16:07,840 --> 01:16:10,640
Speaker 7: you think of what what are the things that, uh

1648
01:16:11,280 --> 01:16:14,320
Speaker 7: that Brios did that allowed Manny to have some success

1649
01:16:14,600 --> 01:16:17,320
Speaker 7: that in this fight he fought at a slow pace.

1650
01:16:17,600 --> 01:16:20,240
Speaker 7: He allowed Manny to be first and sort of pick

1651
01:16:20,320 --> 01:16:22,320
Speaker 7: and choose his his spots on when he wanted to

1652
01:16:22,400 --> 01:16:24,439
Speaker 7: jump in and launch his attacks, and and you see

1653
01:16:24,560 --> 01:16:27,240
Speaker 7: Rowley doing that as well. He he's sort of a

1654
01:16:27,360 --> 01:16:31,200
Speaker 7: one shot puncher artist, and and I guess there were

1655
01:16:31,240 --> 01:16:35,240
Speaker 7: earlier versions of of Roley's career where he charged forward,

1656
01:16:35,280 --> 01:16:38,519
Speaker 7: but I think that he I don't, I don't. It's hard.

1657
01:16:38,680 --> 01:16:42,040
Speaker 7: The version of him that beat Ryan Garcia in April was,

1658
01:16:42,240 --> 01:16:45,080
Speaker 7: you know, fighting at a very slow, deliberate pace, trying

1659
01:16:45,120 --> 01:16:47,719
Speaker 7: to slow down Ryan, of course, and and take advantage

1660
01:16:47,760 --> 01:16:51,639
Speaker 7: of some of Ryan's inexperience. But I think that it's

1661
01:16:51,720 --> 01:16:54,680
Speaker 7: just a sort of it's the matchup where it's not

1662
01:16:54,800 --> 01:16:57,479
Speaker 7: hard to see Manny doing really well against a fighter

1663
01:16:57,640 --> 01:17:01,200
Speaker 7: like that, and and Roy again having trouble like like

1664
01:17:01,320 --> 01:17:04,360
Speaker 7: Barrios did, dealing with the speed, with the angles, with

1665
01:17:04,560 --> 01:17:08,360
Speaker 7: all of the the experience and craftsman, you know, like

1666
01:17:08,439 --> 01:17:10,200
Speaker 7: tricks of the trade that man he's gonna bring into

1667
01:17:10,200 --> 01:17:11,840
Speaker 7: the ring if they meet. So yeah, and there's a

1668
01:17:11,920 --> 01:17:14,840
Speaker 7: weird interim belt on the line, so all that lines up.

1669
01:17:14,880 --> 01:17:16,600
Speaker 7: It makes sense. It's good business, all right.

1670
01:17:16,640 --> 01:17:20,080
Speaker 3: There's one other hail Mary. Nobody's talking about it. I'm

1671
01:17:20,160 --> 01:17:21,479
Speaker 3: just throwing it out there to see if you can

1672
01:17:21,560 --> 01:17:24,799
Speaker 3: catch it. Tank versus Paccio.

1673
01:17:26,360 --> 01:17:28,479
Speaker 7: Uh is are we going to do that? From Rahway

1674
01:17:28,600 --> 01:17:33,599
Speaker 7: State Prison and his jersey back? The no shoot. Look,

1675
01:17:33,920 --> 01:17:36,679
Speaker 7: that's that's a more dangerous fight obviously, Like like Tank

1676
01:17:36,800 --> 01:17:40,080
Speaker 7: is I think Tank? You know, I would expect Tank

1677
01:17:40,160 --> 01:17:43,560
Speaker 7: to even though he's you know, smaller, he fights, you know,

1678
01:17:43,800 --> 01:17:46,439
Speaker 7: he's he usually fights at one hundred and thirty five pounds.

1679
01:17:46,479 --> 01:17:50,120
Speaker 7: He's been up as high as one forty. Uh, but

1680
01:17:51,040 --> 01:17:52,920
Speaker 7: the I just wouldn't expect him to.

1681
01:17:53,240 --> 01:17:53,360
Speaker 3: Uh.

1682
01:17:54,400 --> 01:17:57,200
Speaker 7: I guess Tank versus Manny, that's a fight where I

1683
01:17:57,240 --> 01:17:59,400
Speaker 7: think many starts to really get picked apart. You see

1684
01:17:59,439 --> 01:18:02,559
Speaker 7: his age unless unless you know, I mean, Tank does

1685
01:18:02,680 --> 01:18:04,439
Speaker 7: run hot and cold. If you catch Tank on a

1686
01:18:04,520 --> 01:18:06,760
Speaker 7: night where he's not feeling it, then maybe you know,

1687
01:18:07,160 --> 01:18:10,200
Speaker 7: the narrative just goes wild from there and and Floyd

1688
01:18:10,240 --> 01:18:14,040
Speaker 7: will have Floyd will have to come back to avenge

1689
01:18:14,080 --> 01:18:15,479
Speaker 7: the loss of his former protege.

1690
01:18:15,640 --> 01:18:18,600
Speaker 3: In that case, Yeah, yeah, that'd be weird. There'd be

1691
01:18:18,640 --> 01:18:21,240
Speaker 3: some weirdness going on there. I don't know. I don't know.

1692
01:18:21,360 --> 01:18:23,560
Speaker 3: If I don't think I want Pacchio Barrios again, I

1693
01:18:23,560 --> 01:18:26,639
Speaker 3: don't think you know, what's I don't know. I don't know, dude,

1694
01:18:26,880 --> 01:18:29,360
Speaker 3: let's see that Twitter meme there about the judges. People

1695
01:18:29,479 --> 01:18:31,560
Speaker 3: really didn't like these scores, but it is what it is.

1696
01:18:31,720 --> 01:18:35,400
Speaker 3: But yeah, Scott Foster, Stevie Wonder, and Dwayne Wade, we're

1697
01:18:35,760 --> 01:18:40,920
Speaker 3: we're judging the fight right there. Uh we almost had

1698
01:18:41,600 --> 01:18:44,400
Speaker 3: a huge, memorable, feel good moment. But I really, I

1699
01:18:44,520 --> 01:18:46,320
Speaker 3: just I don't feel like we were robbed of it.

1700
01:18:46,720 --> 01:18:48,639
Speaker 3: I feel like that's boxing, you know. Let's not act

1701
01:18:48,720 --> 01:18:51,559
Speaker 3: like this fight was fought at an incredibly high pace

1702
01:18:51,840 --> 01:18:55,639
Speaker 3: or some technical thriller. It wasn't. It was an attraction fight.

1703
01:18:55,920 --> 01:18:59,120
Speaker 3: There was a great storyline, and we got a a

1704
01:18:59,280 --> 01:19:04,400
Speaker 3: plus plus performance like above expectations for a true legend.

1705
01:19:05,120 --> 01:19:06,680
Speaker 3: But that's not the way fights are scored, so we

1706
01:19:06,720 --> 01:19:09,200
Speaker 3: can't act like that. And you can't also score fights

1707
01:19:09,560 --> 01:19:12,439
Speaker 3: on the curve of the age and the overachievement. You

1708
01:19:12,520 --> 01:19:14,720
Speaker 3: can't do that either. So it is what it is.

1709
01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:18,559
Speaker 3: But I did enjoy this card top to bottom right there.

1710
01:19:18,840 --> 01:19:20,519
Speaker 3: And there is something to talk about in that co

1711
01:19:20,680 --> 01:19:25,160
Speaker 3: main event, as Sebastian Fundora stopped giving away his height

1712
01:19:25,439 --> 01:19:27,800
Speaker 3: for most of this in the rematch with Tim Zoo,

1713
01:19:28,439 --> 01:19:32,599
Speaker 3: and he brutalized him, dropping Zoo in round one putting

1714
01:19:32,640 --> 01:19:34,880
Speaker 3: it on him through a back and forth all action.

1715
01:19:35,080 --> 01:19:37,800
Speaker 3: Round seven, as Zoo was starting to rally and had

1716
01:19:37,880 --> 01:19:41,240
Speaker 3: twice bloody the nose of Fondora. But just as Zoo

1717
01:19:41,280 --> 01:19:44,280
Speaker 3: walked back to the corner, it shocked me, brought ringside,

1718
01:19:44,280 --> 01:19:46,840
Speaker 3: it shocked everybody. He asked out of the fight. He

1719
01:19:46,960 --> 01:19:49,200
Speaker 3: was out on his feet, and he really looked hurt

1720
01:19:49,360 --> 01:19:51,639
Speaker 3: for most of this fight and was fighting on instinct.

1721
01:19:52,080 --> 01:19:56,160
Speaker 3: The larger story, of course, is Sebastian Fundora is evolving

1722
01:19:56,600 --> 01:19:59,599
Speaker 3: into a real big problem. The Zoo story's gonna get

1723
01:19:59,600 --> 01:20:02,639
Speaker 3: a lot more tweets and clicks, But Ray, let's talk

1724
01:20:02,640 --> 01:20:07,080
Speaker 3: about the winner first and foremost. He was a praying mantis,

1725
01:20:07,400 --> 01:20:11,200
Speaker 3: fun action fighter, joke of a guy in some cases

1726
01:20:11,680 --> 01:20:15,640
Speaker 3: until he wasn't and now he's putting real craft and

1727
01:20:15,800 --> 01:20:19,920
Speaker 3: thought into it. I know there's the element of tim

1728
01:20:20,000 --> 01:20:23,519
Speaker 3: Zoo having taken all beatings lately, But were you as

1729
01:20:23,560 --> 01:20:26,280
Speaker 3: impressed with Fondora as I was? That if he keeps

1730
01:20:26,320 --> 01:20:28,960
Speaker 3: going down this road, he might be like the true

1731
01:20:29,000 --> 01:20:30,640
Speaker 3: class of this division. It might be a problem for

1732
01:20:30,720 --> 01:20:31,479
Speaker 3: every single person.

1733
01:20:32,200 --> 01:20:34,800
Speaker 7: You have to you have to say that is that's

1734
01:20:34,840 --> 01:20:37,760
Speaker 7: a possibility here. If you you can't have watched that

1735
01:20:37,920 --> 01:20:41,679
Speaker 7: fight and that performance, especially the rounds, that first round

1736
01:20:42,080 --> 01:20:45,920
Speaker 7: and the first three rounds really where Fondora was in

1737
01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:49,400
Speaker 7: almost complete control. And then even when when you know,

1738
01:20:49,640 --> 01:20:52,599
Speaker 7: the fight warmed up and Zoo, I mean tim Zuo,

1739
01:20:53,240 --> 01:20:56,519
Speaker 7: he got he got beat up real bad, real bad.

1740
01:20:57,640 --> 01:21:01,080
Speaker 7: But it was had some real break moments and landed

1741
01:21:01,680 --> 01:21:04,920
Speaker 7: some Sunday punches in the middle rounds, including that seventh

1742
01:21:05,040 --> 01:21:08,840
Speaker 7: round where they were exchanging just wild exchanges, like like

1743
01:21:09,240 --> 01:21:14,320
Speaker 7: like Immanuel Steward, Oh my god, look at this exchanges. Yeah,

1744
01:21:14,439 --> 01:21:19,439
Speaker 7: it was so he But that version of Fondora early

1745
01:21:19,560 --> 01:21:23,439
Speaker 7: on where yeah, he's using he's using his jab way

1746
01:21:23,520 --> 01:21:28,479
Speaker 7: more active with it and and has almost perfect distance

1747
01:21:28,560 --> 01:21:31,479
Speaker 7: with it, and then was picking was timing the exact

1748
01:21:31,600 --> 01:21:34,320
Speaker 7: right moments to come both you know, over the top

1749
01:21:34,479 --> 01:21:36,639
Speaker 7: with with that, you know, with with with his left

1750
01:21:37,160 --> 01:21:39,280
Speaker 7: with Fandora with his left, or to sort of like

1751
01:21:39,400 --> 01:21:42,040
Speaker 7: bolow it because he's I mean he is so tall,

1752
01:21:42,280 --> 01:21:44,679
Speaker 7: of course, sixty sixty six sixty seven at one hundred

1753
01:21:44,680 --> 01:21:47,120
Speaker 7: and fifty four pounds, when he throws sort of like

1754
01:21:47,240 --> 01:21:53,240
Speaker 7: that that bolo ish half half upper uppercut and it

1755
01:21:54,600 --> 01:21:57,519
Speaker 7: basically arrives at eye level for his opponents, so it's

1756
01:21:57,640 --> 01:21:59,800
Speaker 7: he doesn't and he can throw it from almost a

1757
01:22:00,040 --> 01:22:02,639
Speaker 7: safe distance and not get counter because of his height

1758
01:22:03,240 --> 01:22:03,640
Speaker 7: all of them.

1759
01:22:03,720 --> 01:22:05,800
Speaker 3: Dude, he's cutting off the ring now, so there's like

1760
01:22:05,920 --> 01:22:07,240
Speaker 3: nowhere to hide against him.

1761
01:22:07,320 --> 01:22:10,479
Speaker 7: The one caveat there. I want before we you know,

1762
01:22:10,800 --> 01:22:14,080
Speaker 7: before we start crowning this guy, really calling him, Yeah,

1763
01:22:14,080 --> 01:22:16,599
Speaker 7: maybe he is the class of the division. First, let's

1764
01:22:16,640 --> 01:22:20,160
Speaker 7: remember this right now is a white hot division. I mean,

1765
01:22:20,360 --> 01:22:23,519
Speaker 7: Boots Ennis just came up, Boa, Chuck is fighting Virgil

1766
01:22:23,720 --> 01:22:26,080
Speaker 7: Ortiz looks is fighting the best he's fought in his

1767
01:22:26,280 --> 01:22:26,840
Speaker 7: entire career.

1768
01:22:27,160 --> 01:22:34,120
Speaker 14: Magic belt still coming on, Zius gotta watch out for

1769
01:22:34,240 --> 01:22:38,400
Speaker 14: Zias Brian And so I would say, I want to

1770
01:22:38,479 --> 01:22:39,280
Speaker 14: see what was that.

1771
01:22:39,479 --> 01:22:41,800
Speaker 7: I don't care what that was because I'm just not

1772
01:22:41,880 --> 01:22:44,519
Speaker 7: a believer yet in my man's inord. We'll see, we'll

1773
01:22:44,520 --> 01:22:46,760
Speaker 7: see how he does with his vacant title fight coming up.

1774
01:22:47,640 --> 01:22:52,200
Speaker 7: But uh, but but yeah, so this one, there's a

1775
01:22:52,320 --> 01:22:55,200
Speaker 7: lot of really excellent competition in this division. So calling

1776
01:22:55,400 --> 01:22:58,120
Speaker 7: calling him the cream of this division means that he

1777
01:22:58,200 --> 01:23:01,200
Speaker 7: could that that you're essentially saying he might end up

1778
01:23:01,240 --> 01:23:04,960
Speaker 7: being better than virtual Orts and Boots sentence, which, ye, yeah,

1779
01:23:05,280 --> 01:23:07,519
Speaker 7: that's that's a far cry, And I would like to

1780
01:23:07,560 --> 01:23:11,920
Speaker 7: see it against someone who as brave as Tim zoo is.

1781
01:23:12,280 --> 01:23:15,120
Speaker 7: I think that he seemed like he learned all the

1782
01:23:15,200 --> 01:23:20,639
Speaker 7: wrong lessons from his just outstanding hot start to his career,

1783
01:23:21,000 --> 01:23:24,280
Speaker 7: where his he was able to sort of stand flat

1784
01:23:24,360 --> 01:23:27,519
Speaker 7: footed and out and and counter lesser opponents and hit

1785
01:23:27,640 --> 01:23:29,920
Speaker 7: and and look like he was this sort of master

1786
01:23:30,080 --> 01:23:33,000
Speaker 7: in the pocket, when once he stepped up in class,

1787
01:23:33,200 --> 01:23:36,120
Speaker 7: it turned out that actually he's you know, he's got

1788
01:23:36,200 --> 01:23:39,600
Speaker 7: bad instincts. When he's hurt, it's fun instincts. He just

1789
01:23:39,640 --> 01:23:42,120
Speaker 7: tries to fight his way out of it. But he doesn't,

1790
01:23:42,160 --> 01:23:43,920
Speaker 7: you know, he doesn't really he doesn't move out of

1791
01:23:44,000 --> 01:23:46,800
Speaker 7: the way of the punches that are that are hurting him.

1792
01:23:47,000 --> 01:23:48,640
Speaker 7: He just tries to fight his way out of it.

1793
01:23:49,040 --> 01:23:52,320
Speaker 7: And it's not working, you know, I I think, uh so,

1794
01:23:52,680 --> 01:23:55,360
Speaker 7: I'd like to see it against an opponent who who

1795
01:23:55,800 --> 01:23:59,479
Speaker 7: who doesn't just stand there and let and allow Fondora

1796
01:23:59,600 --> 01:24:02,760
Speaker 7: to really look as dynamic and incredible as he looked.

1797
01:24:02,800 --> 01:24:05,000
Speaker 7: But look, you gotta give him credit. This is the

1798
01:24:05,080 --> 01:24:07,599
Speaker 7: opponent he had and it was a and he had

1799
01:24:07,840 --> 01:24:10,240
Speaker 7: fought that opponent before and didn't look nearly as good.

1800
01:24:10,560 --> 01:24:14,759
Speaker 3: No, and he got cracked a bunch exactly nose bleeding

1801
01:24:14,920 --> 01:24:16,680
Speaker 3: and shook it off. I mean, I have so much

1802
01:24:16,760 --> 01:24:19,719
Speaker 3: respect for the gas tank, for the improved punching power,

1803
01:24:19,800 --> 01:24:23,280
Speaker 3: for obviously the warrior spirit that Fandora has always showed.

1804
01:24:23,600 --> 01:24:25,280
Speaker 3: But I think we're starting to see him get a

1805
01:24:25,400 --> 01:24:27,040
Speaker 3: little bit of a chip on his shoulder for the

1806
01:24:27,120 --> 01:24:30,000
Speaker 3: first time. You know, normally such a fun loving, like

1807
01:24:30,120 --> 01:24:32,120
Speaker 3: you know, humble guy. And by the way, he's going

1808
01:24:32,160 --> 01:24:33,680
Speaker 3: to Harvard. I mean, like there's a lot going on

1809
01:24:33,800 --> 01:24:36,680
Speaker 3: good in his life, but like his dad taught him

1810
01:24:36,680 --> 01:24:39,639
Speaker 3: how to sit down on his shots and bring some power,

1811
01:24:39,720 --> 01:24:42,559
Speaker 3: and he's looking really good. I did forget that Boots

1812
01:24:42,640 --> 01:24:44,559
Speaker 3: and Us moved up. He has the potential to take

1813
01:24:44,600 --> 01:24:46,800
Speaker 3: over this division. You're gonna have to go through Virgil

1814
01:24:46,920 --> 01:24:49,360
Speaker 3: Ortiz to truly be called the class of this division.

1815
01:24:49,840 --> 01:24:53,439
Speaker 3: But this felt like a breakthrough. He didn't just fall

1816
01:24:53,560 --> 01:24:56,640
Speaker 3: into this, even though he fell into the title opportunity.

1817
01:24:56,720 --> 01:24:59,479
Speaker 3: Remember he was coming off of being KOed bry Brian

1818
01:24:59,560 --> 01:25:02,000
Speaker 3: Mendoz when he was offered the last minute chance at

1819
01:25:02,080 --> 01:25:03,400
Speaker 3: Zoo the first time a year ago.

1820
01:25:03,600 --> 01:25:04,679
Speaker 7: So wow.

1821
01:25:05,280 --> 01:25:08,840
Speaker 3: But let's talk about Tim zu. I know it's harsh

1822
01:25:09,000 --> 01:25:13,679
Speaker 3: to quote the Great Prince Nasim Hahmed should he finish?

1823
01:25:13,960 --> 01:25:16,160
Speaker 3: And I don't really mean that. I'm playing that up

1824
01:25:16,160 --> 01:25:19,400
Speaker 3: because it's an old sound drop on our podcast. I

1825
01:25:19,439 --> 01:25:21,479
Speaker 3: guess what I'm saying is this, I actually thought he

1826
01:25:21,600 --> 01:25:24,960
Speaker 3: was mentally and physically ready for this, and and truly was.

1827
01:25:25,080 --> 01:25:27,280
Speaker 3: And it's this is a bad style matchup, and he

1828
01:25:27,360 --> 01:25:30,240
Speaker 3: caught a really bad version. And now you're adding another

1829
01:25:30,439 --> 01:25:33,639
Speaker 3: beating to this recent run, three losses in the last

1830
01:25:33,680 --> 01:25:36,600
Speaker 3: four fights. I'm not saying he needs to retire or

1831
01:25:36,720 --> 01:25:39,439
Speaker 3: he will, but I do believe that that needs to

1832
01:25:39,520 --> 01:25:42,439
Speaker 3: be on the table in the conversation. Some people are

1833
01:25:42,520 --> 01:25:44,120
Speaker 3: using this as a way to say, see, he was

1834
01:25:44,200 --> 01:25:47,200
Speaker 3: never that good, which is also incorrect. He was very good.

1835
01:25:47,280 --> 01:25:49,280
Speaker 3: He looked like he was on his way to becoming

1836
01:25:49,400 --> 01:25:52,960
Speaker 3: the man in the division before he wasn't what do?

1837
01:25:53,280 --> 01:25:53,320
Speaker 4: What?

1838
01:25:53,760 --> 01:25:55,280
Speaker 3: What could or should Tim Zuo do?

1839
01:25:55,400 --> 01:25:55,680
Speaker 9: After this?

1840
01:25:55,880 --> 01:25:59,040
Speaker 7: In your eyes, Brian, was he that good? He looked like, Yeah,

1841
01:25:59,040 --> 01:26:00,880
Speaker 7: I thought he was gonna be good. But when he

1842
01:26:01,040 --> 01:26:04,640
Speaker 7: got to the point of fighting the other elite championship

1843
01:26:04,720 --> 01:26:08,320
Speaker 7: level fighters, not once did it really work out well?

1844
01:26:08,360 --> 01:26:11,200
Speaker 7: And you're if you're gonna say that, yeah, he was

1845
01:26:11,439 --> 01:26:13,960
Speaker 7: very very good, he was on the way, then then

1846
01:26:14,000 --> 01:26:16,519
Speaker 7: you're sort of buying into the idea that that cut

1847
01:26:16,880 --> 01:26:20,200
Speaker 7: fighting through that cut in the first Fondora fight somehow

1848
01:26:20,360 --> 01:26:23,160
Speaker 7: derailed the whole thing, which I mean, that's it's a

1849
01:26:23,200 --> 01:26:26,600
Speaker 7: crazy sport. Weird things can happen like that. It's not implausible,

1850
01:26:26,720 --> 01:26:29,040
Speaker 7: but it's also possible that maybe he just wasn't that guy.

1851
01:26:29,160 --> 01:26:32,959
Speaker 7: Like we saw what we wanted to see against opponents

1852
01:26:32,960 --> 01:26:36,000
Speaker 7: who who let Tim Zuo look good, and then better

1853
01:26:36,080 --> 01:26:39,160
Speaker 7: opponents came in and he wasn't good against them anymore. Anyway,

1854
01:26:39,600 --> 01:26:43,200
Speaker 7: as you're asking what should he do next, I you know,

1855
01:26:43,439 --> 01:26:46,599
Speaker 7: he doesn't need to retire, but he's not. No one

1856
01:26:46,760 --> 01:26:50,960
Speaker 7: is going to buy him as a credible championship threat

1857
01:26:51,200 --> 01:26:54,040
Speaker 7: of real championship contender at one hundred and fifty four

1858
01:26:54,080 --> 01:26:56,280
Speaker 7: pounds right now. He needs to build himself back up

1859
01:26:56,720 --> 01:27:01,680
Speaker 7: and and luckily for him, the drive fight culture in Australia,

1860
01:27:01,760 --> 01:27:04,280
Speaker 7: he can go back down Under and you know what's

1861
01:27:04,360 --> 01:27:06,880
Speaker 7: waiting for him. There a fight that you know, a

1862
01:27:06,960 --> 01:27:12,559
Speaker 7: fight that a certain a certain male dancer uh probably

1863
01:27:12,640 --> 01:27:14,880
Speaker 7: believes Tim zu ducked back in the day.

1864
01:27:14,960 --> 01:27:15,880
Speaker 3: Are you talking about Michael.

1865
01:27:16,720 --> 01:27:20,360
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's time the thunder down under should have stripper, right, Yeah,

1866
01:27:20,560 --> 01:27:24,080
Speaker 7: the stripper Michael Zarafa, who is the test maker down

1867
01:27:24,160 --> 01:27:28,360
Speaker 7: there in Australia. You shouldn't get off that continent without

1868
01:27:28,479 --> 01:27:31,320
Speaker 7: first beating that stripper. If you can't get because he

1869
01:27:31,439 --> 01:27:34,439
Speaker 7: is Zarafa, he will, he will expose you. He's exposed

1870
01:27:34,479 --> 01:27:38,000
Speaker 7: our boy Isaac Hardman Or who was up and coming.

1871
01:27:38,160 --> 01:27:40,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, but Laura sent him to hell.

1872
01:27:41,240 --> 01:27:43,559
Speaker 7: Look Zarafa over here either.

1873
01:27:43,680 --> 01:27:45,880
Speaker 3: But I'm saying, I mean Peter Collin killed him one

1874
01:27:45,920 --> 01:27:47,080
Speaker 3: straight up, right he is?

1875
01:27:47,360 --> 01:27:49,240
Speaker 7: That was that was his US debut and he kept

1876
01:27:49,320 --> 01:27:53,519
Speaker 7: coming back over to get sent back to hell. However, Uh,

1877
01:27:53,680 --> 01:27:55,680
Speaker 7: that's a good fight down and that is the sort

1878
01:27:55,720 --> 01:27:59,160
Speaker 7: of Okay, tim Zu, go go home, get back in

1879
01:27:59,200 --> 01:28:01,920
Speaker 7: the lab, going back to the drawing board, as Daniel

1880
01:28:01,960 --> 01:28:03,040
Speaker 7: Dubois likes to say.

1881
01:28:04,200 --> 01:28:06,800
Speaker 3: And if you say the words Glenn rushed and I'm

1882
01:28:06,800 --> 01:28:08,000
Speaker 3: coming over there, okay.

1883
01:28:07,800 --> 01:28:10,080
Speaker 7: I mean, come on, it hadn't occurred to me yet,

1884
01:28:10,160 --> 01:28:12,840
Speaker 7: but if you, you know, get Glenn rushed in. Jeff

1885
01:28:12,920 --> 01:28:14,160
Speaker 7: Horn his wife.

1886
01:28:14,000 --> 01:28:16,519
Speaker 3: Joe Horn pre methods some some.

1887
01:28:16,640 --> 01:28:19,800
Speaker 7: Tough, tough, aussy gang members, all right, and teach this

1888
01:28:20,000 --> 01:28:22,040
Speaker 7: man a few things. Get put some new tricks in

1889
01:28:22,120 --> 01:28:25,679
Speaker 7: that bag, teach him how to move, get some work

1890
01:28:25,760 --> 01:28:28,000
Speaker 7: on his game a little bit. Let him fight a

1891
01:28:28,120 --> 01:28:31,120
Speaker 7: couple of easy you know, a couple more Joey Spencer's,

1892
01:28:31,160 --> 01:28:32,400
Speaker 7: but you don't have to, you don't have to fly

1893
01:28:32,520 --> 01:28:34,960
Speaker 7: him in. They could be local Joey Spencer's down there,

1894
01:28:35,240 --> 01:28:39,960
Speaker 7: and then make a big, local domestic fight with Michael Zarafa,

1895
01:28:40,000 --> 01:28:42,040
Speaker 7: who's always ready. He's always ready.

1896
01:28:42,320 --> 01:28:46,040
Speaker 3: There's domestic comeback plans for sure. If he wants to

1897
01:28:46,120 --> 01:28:50,320
Speaker 3: still keep going. Damn, I mean, I don't I don't

1898
01:28:50,360 --> 01:28:52,280
Speaker 3: mean to always make excuses and I'm not going to

1899
01:28:52,320 --> 01:28:54,880
Speaker 3: say he was, you know, on his way to staying

1900
01:28:55,040 --> 01:28:56,800
Speaker 3: to being unbeaten from the beginning. He's like, you know,

1901
01:28:56,840 --> 01:28:59,160
Speaker 3: there's a first flawed elements to his game that have

1902
01:28:59,280 --> 01:29:03,480
Speaker 3: gotten exposed. I just think that certainly elements of excuses

1903
01:29:03,520 --> 01:29:06,240
Speaker 3: in the first fund or loss, plus the sort of

1904
01:29:06,800 --> 01:29:10,080
Speaker 3: you know, moral victory of how he behaved and performed,

1905
01:29:10,200 --> 01:29:12,559
Speaker 3: even though that took a certain you know, that took

1906
01:29:12,600 --> 01:29:14,680
Speaker 3: a percentage of him. And then to go in there

1907
01:29:14,720 --> 01:29:16,960
Speaker 3: against murdasali of a killer, a guy wedn't even mention

1908
01:29:17,240 --> 01:29:19,960
Speaker 3: sort of the names that Fundora should be going through

1909
01:29:20,040 --> 01:29:22,320
Speaker 3: and maybe will be or have to prove himself against

1910
01:29:22,360 --> 01:29:24,960
Speaker 3: that guy is no joke. But I don't think the

1911
01:29:25,120 --> 01:29:29,040
Speaker 3: one sided walk through of Murtuzalia versus Zoo, I'm not

1912
01:29:29,120 --> 01:29:31,280
Speaker 3: gonna say like it didn't happen. I saw I called

1913
01:29:31,280 --> 01:29:34,719
Speaker 3: the fight. I think Zoo's dad being there just eft

1914
01:29:34,800 --> 01:29:37,920
Speaker 3: him up, and how they're on and off relationship, and

1915
01:29:38,040 --> 01:29:40,559
Speaker 3: it just it was the wrong fight, the wrong night,

1916
01:29:40,640 --> 01:29:42,680
Speaker 3: the wrong everything, and he was just not there and

1917
01:29:42,760 --> 01:29:44,400
Speaker 3: he lost and got the shake hicked out of him.

1918
01:29:45,479 --> 01:29:50,160
Speaker 3: Now you're adding another beatdown. I get that. I just

1919
01:29:50,200 --> 01:29:52,960
Speaker 3: don't know if he should keep going because inevitably, when

1920
01:29:53,000 --> 01:29:54,400
Speaker 3: you get to the top, he's gonna be in some

1921
01:29:54,560 --> 01:29:59,800
Speaker 3: banger fights and he could. I don't know. I'm really torn, dude,

1922
01:30:00,040 --> 01:30:03,200
Speaker 3: emotionally torn. You know, you get attached to these stories

1923
01:30:03,240 --> 01:30:05,760
Speaker 3: when you watch these guys, and he does have that

1924
01:30:05,920 --> 01:30:08,000
Speaker 3: terminator side of him who never wants to come out

1925
01:30:08,000 --> 01:30:10,479
Speaker 3: of a fight. To see him actually say enough was

1926
01:30:10,640 --> 01:30:13,640
Speaker 3: enough was was shocking, even though he had more than

1927
01:30:13,800 --> 01:30:17,880
Speaker 3: enough right to. If he did walk away, no one

1928
01:30:17,880 --> 01:30:21,080
Speaker 3: would say anything negative except for maybe h E right.

1929
01:30:22,720 --> 01:30:25,280
Speaker 7: Ag seems to have seems to be a little hurt

1930
01:30:25,320 --> 01:30:28,679
Speaker 7: about what was the what was the backstory too, Well.

1931
01:30:28,640 --> 01:30:32,040
Speaker 3: Let's set it up, yeah for you. So around the

1932
01:30:32,200 --> 01:30:35,160
Speaker 3: time that we heard the first two dissenters to the

1933
01:30:35,439 --> 01:30:37,719
Speaker 3: h E reaching out to you and offering you money

1934
01:30:37,800 --> 01:30:40,479
Speaker 3: and you know he'll he'll put you against who he wants.

1935
01:30:40,760 --> 01:30:43,000
Speaker 3: It was Canelo at first, who was very aggressive, in

1936
01:30:43,120 --> 01:30:46,040
Speaker 3: Tank who was very aggressive, the third in that and

1937
01:30:46,160 --> 01:30:47,840
Speaker 3: it just so happened at the time that all three

1938
01:30:47,960 --> 01:30:51,320
Speaker 3: were close to the PBC label you know was zoo

1939
01:30:51,439 --> 01:30:53,560
Speaker 3: But Zooe didn't do it in a disrespectful way. He

1940
01:30:53,760 --> 01:30:56,120
Speaker 3: was like, no, I already have a fight, let me

1941
01:30:56,200 --> 01:30:59,040
Speaker 3: get that first. And then I believe he was offered

1942
01:30:59,080 --> 01:31:01,920
Speaker 3: money ahead of the Merchisalia fight to go fightas remember

1943
01:31:01,920 --> 01:31:04,479
Speaker 3: he had to pull out of the La Read season

1944
01:31:04,560 --> 01:31:07,760
Speaker 3: card against Virgil Ortiz Junior because his cut wasn't fully

1945
01:31:07,840 --> 01:31:10,360
Speaker 3: healed from the Fundora fight, so it wasn't time yet

1946
01:31:10,400 --> 01:31:12,920
Speaker 3: for him. And then he turned down and offer from

1947
01:31:12,960 --> 01:31:15,760
Speaker 3: Turkey to instead fight Bakram for the title because I

1948
01:31:15,800 --> 01:31:18,040
Speaker 3: think he wanted to get right back in there. Even

1949
01:31:18,080 --> 01:31:20,200
Speaker 3: Timzu said in the lead up to this fight. I

1950
01:31:20,280 --> 01:31:22,320
Speaker 3: got no problem with Turkey. I'd be more than happy

1951
01:31:22,360 --> 01:31:25,639
Speaker 3: to work with him. But after he got kot here, dude,

1952
01:31:25,800 --> 01:31:28,000
Speaker 3: or after he asked out of it, Turkey gave a

1953
01:31:28,120 --> 01:31:31,040
Speaker 3: very Dana White like response. So here's the deleted tweet

1954
01:31:31,120 --> 01:31:33,320
Speaker 3: that got a lot of people I think rightfully angry

1955
01:31:33,880 --> 01:31:36,040
Speaker 3: of Turkey putting out a picture of Zoo getting knocked

1956
01:31:36,080 --> 01:31:38,439
Speaker 3: down and saying, I said to you from the beginning,

1957
01:31:38,520 --> 01:31:40,880
Speaker 3: Tim Zu does not deserve to be on read season

1958
01:31:41,120 --> 01:31:43,840
Speaker 3: or ring magazine's cards. He can be useful as a

1959
01:31:43,880 --> 01:31:47,639
Speaker 3: sparring partner for his fighter. He went on to say

1960
01:31:47,680 --> 01:31:50,160
Speaker 3: more and that it's cut off right there, Rafe. A

1961
01:31:50,200 --> 01:31:52,040
Speaker 3: lot of people are getting after me on Twitter when

1962
01:31:52,040 --> 01:31:54,760
Speaker 3: I tweeted, you know this is bullshit like this, we

1963
01:31:54,800 --> 01:31:56,960
Speaker 3: don't need this type of talk in boxing. People are like, well,

1964
01:31:56,960 --> 01:31:58,720
Speaker 3: what about Oscar de la Hoya. He just did a

1965
01:31:58,800 --> 01:32:03,040
Speaker 3: victory LAPAs Ko. There is a difference here. There is

1966
01:32:03,120 --> 01:32:06,560
Speaker 3: a major difference in my opinion, in terms of the

1967
01:32:07,080 --> 01:32:09,640
Speaker 3: control Turkey has and just the respect you would want

1968
01:32:09,680 --> 01:32:12,840
Speaker 3: to show for fighters. Also, Oscar's a mess. Also that

1969
01:32:13,040 --> 01:32:16,400
Speaker 3: is fighter versus fighter kind of you know, going after it.

1970
01:32:16,520 --> 01:32:18,680
Speaker 3: It's I don't know. I'm not crazy here. When I

1971
01:32:18,760 --> 01:32:21,360
Speaker 3: saw this, I was like, man, no, that's not the

1972
01:32:21,479 --> 01:32:24,040
Speaker 3: right tone. Zu didn't try to clown on him. Zo

1973
01:32:24,160 --> 01:32:26,640
Speaker 3: didn't do anything but go in there and fight like

1974
01:32:26,720 --> 01:32:29,680
Speaker 3: a warrior until he couldn't anymore. I thought that was

1975
01:32:29,760 --> 01:32:31,960
Speaker 3: a bush league response. How did you react to.

1976
01:32:32,320 --> 01:32:37,200
Speaker 7: It's in It's clearly in poor taste Brian Turkey. Uh.

1977
01:32:38,000 --> 01:32:40,800
Speaker 7: We know this about Turkey. He doesn't have a very

1978
01:32:40,880 --> 01:32:44,840
Speaker 7: sophisticated uh view of boxing. He doesn't he you know,

1979
01:32:44,960 --> 01:32:46,479
Speaker 7: he's fairly new to the sport.

1980
01:32:47,040 --> 01:32:47,160
Speaker 13: Uh.

1981
01:32:47,520 --> 01:32:51,679
Speaker 7: But thanks to his enormous piggy bank, he is still

1982
01:32:51,840 --> 01:32:54,720
Speaker 7: allow able to make himself the most uh you know,

1983
01:32:54,880 --> 01:32:57,719
Speaker 7: the like the most important and powerful person in the sport.

1984
01:32:58,000 --> 01:33:00,240
Speaker 7: And and for the most part that's been pretty good

1985
01:33:00,280 --> 01:33:02,960
Speaker 7: for boxing. It's created a lot of good fights that

1986
01:33:03,120 --> 01:33:05,879
Speaker 7: have not happened otherwise. And he's making i mean, Riad's

1987
01:33:05,880 --> 01:33:09,559
Speaker 7: season and ring whatever we're calling them. Fights are are

1988
01:33:09,640 --> 01:33:11,519
Speaker 7: filling up the schedule in a way that that few

1989
01:33:11,600 --> 01:33:14,080
Speaker 7: other promoters are. So that that side of it is

1990
01:33:14,120 --> 01:33:16,280
Speaker 7: fine with me, but he that that none of it

1991
01:33:16,400 --> 01:33:20,000
Speaker 7: still remains that when when when Turkey actually starts to

1992
01:33:20,120 --> 01:33:22,680
Speaker 7: speak about the sport or express his views, whether it's

1993
01:33:22,760 --> 01:33:25,360
Speaker 7: the you know, the whole I don't want Tom and

1994
01:33:25,439 --> 01:33:28,080
Speaker 7: Jerry fights, even though the analogy doesn't make any sense

1995
01:33:28,080 --> 01:33:30,000
Speaker 7: at all. Where he doesn't want fighters running, he meant

1996
01:33:30,280 --> 01:33:32,519
Speaker 7: I want blood, Like that's not what the sport is

1997
01:33:32,600 --> 01:33:35,000
Speaker 7: all about. When it happens that way, we can love

1998
01:33:35,080 --> 01:33:37,200
Speaker 7: and appreciate it, but that's not all that boxing is.

1999
01:33:37,320 --> 01:33:39,759
Speaker 7: Skills also pay the bills, right, shout out to Floyd

2000
01:33:40,680 --> 01:33:43,960
Speaker 7: and he's and and the more he talks about boxing,

2001
01:33:44,040 --> 01:33:46,720
Speaker 7: the more he sort of convinces me that he's not

2002
01:33:46,920 --> 01:33:49,720
Speaker 7: a very smart observer of boxing. Maybe he'll become one,

2003
01:33:49,960 --> 01:33:52,439
Speaker 7: maybe he'll develop a true love for the sport. I

2004
01:33:52,520 --> 01:33:56,080
Speaker 7: also don't care really what he says. Uh, I get

2005
01:33:56,240 --> 01:33:58,960
Speaker 7: like it's whack. Did I already know that Turkey Ashikh

2006
01:33:59,120 --> 01:34:01,280
Speaker 7: is whack? In my opinion? Yes, I knew that.

2007
01:34:05,360 --> 01:34:08,439
Speaker 3: I hear you, I hear you, and you know, but

2008
01:34:08,560 --> 01:34:10,320
Speaker 3: that was a response to everybody. But what about this?

2009
01:34:10,520 --> 01:34:12,640
Speaker 3: What about Tank being arrested? What about this? It's like

2010
01:34:13,320 --> 01:34:16,120
Speaker 3: those things aren't related, and we've talked about that. We

2011
01:34:16,240 --> 01:34:18,880
Speaker 3: are talking about a power player, a promoter who's you know,

2012
01:34:18,960 --> 01:34:21,680
Speaker 3: a promoter, ish advisor, ish whatever you want to call him,

2013
01:34:22,000 --> 01:34:26,000
Speaker 3: who is like the one going around the promoters and

2014
01:34:26,080 --> 01:34:28,519
Speaker 3: managers and having the one on one relationships. So that

2015
01:34:28,680 --> 01:34:32,320
Speaker 3: look that it just felt like throwing throwing dirt on

2016
01:34:32,360 --> 01:34:36,280
Speaker 3: the grave unnecessarily. But maybe you're right of the recent really, uh,

2017
01:34:37,360 --> 01:34:40,559
Speaker 3: the recent beef retaliations from that side of the pond

2018
01:34:41,160 --> 01:34:45,160
Speaker 3: have been very interesting. They got receipts over there, it's wild,

2019
01:34:45,160 --> 01:34:47,960
Speaker 3: it's getting wild. It's getting wild, and versaje lan lately

2020
01:34:48,080 --> 01:34:50,160
Speaker 3: over there. I mean it's a it's a circus, but

2021
01:34:50,680 --> 01:34:51,439
Speaker 3: I mean, this is this is.

2022
01:34:51,479 --> 01:34:55,280
Speaker 7: The same guy who who hires his his journalists to

2023
01:34:55,439 --> 01:34:58,800
Speaker 7: come act like weird wrestling henchmen around him all the

2024
01:34:58,880 --> 01:35:02,720
Speaker 7: time and just be part of his traveling circus. And look,

2025
01:35:02,760 --> 01:35:04,160
Speaker 7: I mean I think that they might have been more

2026
01:35:04,200 --> 01:35:08,160
Speaker 7: suited to those roles than their previous jobs. But it's

2027
01:35:08,280 --> 01:35:12,040
Speaker 7: the there, he's it's like, oh, this guy who doesn't

2028
01:35:12,080 --> 01:35:14,519
Speaker 7: seem to really you know, have a ton of class

2029
01:35:14,800 --> 01:35:17,400
Speaker 7: in the uh, the old the old man, sports old

2030
01:35:17,439 --> 01:35:21,880
Speaker 7: man yells at cloud sportsmanship. Sense of the World has

2031
01:35:21,920 --> 01:35:26,000
Speaker 7: a classless tweet about a fighter who didn't fight on

2032
01:35:26,120 --> 01:35:28,040
Speaker 7: his card for one reason or another, like made a

2033
01:35:28,080 --> 01:35:31,600
Speaker 7: decision not to work with Turkey. Uh, Turkey, you know,

2034
01:35:31,800 --> 01:35:33,760
Speaker 7: tried to kick him while and while he's down. Yeah,

2035
01:35:33,840 --> 01:35:36,960
Speaker 7: I like, I could see a guy the at least

2036
01:35:37,000 --> 01:35:39,479
Speaker 7: the person who I imagine Turkey Alshik is, I could

2037
01:35:39,479 --> 01:35:42,519
Speaker 7: see him doing that. He's a person who, as reported

2038
01:35:42,560 --> 01:35:44,600
Speaker 7: in The Athletic in the New York Times, has a

2039
01:35:44,640 --> 01:35:47,439
Speaker 7: wing of a prison nicknamed after him because he's got

2040
01:35:47,479 --> 01:35:49,839
Speaker 7: such a thin skin. He likes to put his critics

2041
01:35:49,880 --> 01:35:53,280
Speaker 7: in there. I hear you, I hear you on all

2042
01:35:53,320 --> 01:35:55,400
Speaker 7: of that, more like jerky right man.

2043
01:35:56,080 --> 01:35:59,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, tough loss there for Zoo. We'll see where he

2044
01:35:59,200 --> 01:36:01,760
Speaker 3: goes from here. And uh, the only quick mention I

2045
01:36:01,800 --> 01:36:04,240
Speaker 3: wanted to add, turn back the clock night. It wasn't

2046
01:36:04,280 --> 01:36:07,599
Speaker 3: just Pakiao. Thirty seven year old Gary Russell Junior came

2047
01:36:07,680 --> 01:36:11,679
Speaker 3: back absolutely dominated a limited opponent who was very game

2048
01:36:11,760 --> 01:36:16,040
Speaker 3: in Hugo Castaneda, but afterwards in his new division of lightweight.

2049
01:36:16,120 --> 01:36:18,880
Speaker 3: And don't forget that through all of his inactivity, which

2050
01:36:19,000 --> 01:36:21,479
Speaker 3: with like one fight in the last seven years or

2051
01:36:21,560 --> 01:36:24,160
Speaker 3: five six years, whoever the streak was. And of course

2052
01:36:24,400 --> 01:36:27,400
Speaker 3: his father dying and him taking over the training and

2053
01:36:27,479 --> 01:36:30,280
Speaker 3: him taking over his other late brothers children were a

2054
01:36:30,320 --> 01:36:32,559
Speaker 3: big part of him being out. He had a lot

2055
01:36:32,600 --> 01:36:34,720
Speaker 3: of beefs during that stretch with big name fighters at

2056
01:36:34,720 --> 01:36:38,240
Speaker 3: one so maybe it's not a surprise that he's talking

2057
01:36:38,280 --> 01:36:41,960
Speaker 3: game afterwards. But mister Gary Russell's talking some game. First,

2058
01:36:42,040 --> 01:36:44,840
Speaker 3: Let's hear him talk about one boot well Keith Thurton.

2059
01:36:44,920 --> 01:36:48,479
Speaker 3: Who's he talking about thereat roach? Let's hear him talk

2060
01:36:48,520 --> 01:36:53,080
Speaker 3: about Lamont Roach at this point. Man, I want I

2061
01:36:54,920 --> 01:36:55,800
Speaker 3: won Lamont Roach.

2062
01:36:57,320 --> 01:37:03,840
Speaker 4: I want La rot Oh.

2063
01:37:06,520 --> 01:37:09,120
Speaker 3: And he didn't stop there for big lightweight names. Also,

2064
01:37:09,560 --> 01:37:12,680
Speaker 3: this guy wants Shakur. Let's hear it in that dedition.

2065
01:37:12,439 --> 01:37:12,880
Speaker 8: Who he thinks?

2066
01:37:12,920 --> 01:37:13,400
Speaker 5: It's on the fight.

2067
01:37:13,479 --> 01:37:15,599
Speaker 4: So you compare to what you show tonight. I went

2068
01:37:15,640 --> 01:37:16,080
Speaker 4: thirty five.

2069
01:37:16,200 --> 01:37:18,880
Speaker 7: I mean I worked with Chappo before. He's worked before

2070
01:37:20,280 --> 01:37:23,000
Speaker 7: a few years back. I think he's a good fighter.

2071
01:37:23,080 --> 01:37:24,080
Speaker 4: But like I say, I.

2072
01:37:24,080 --> 01:37:26,120
Speaker 15: Wouldn't have put this shit on the line against anybody

2073
01:37:26,160 --> 01:37:27,560
Speaker 15: in the one thirty five pounds.

2074
01:37:27,360 --> 01:37:29,120
Speaker 5: Visit, dude.

2075
01:37:29,800 --> 01:37:32,640
Speaker 3: This is interesting because he's thirty seven to thirty eight,

2076
01:37:33,080 --> 01:37:35,439
Speaker 3: whichever one it was, I think thirty seven, but he

2077
01:37:35,680 --> 01:37:38,320
Speaker 3: was not taking punishment. He does have that arm injury

2078
01:37:38,400 --> 01:37:41,080
Speaker 3: from his last fight before this, the loss to Mark

2079
01:37:41,160 --> 01:37:43,400
Speaker 3: Maxao which he thought he won with one arm. He

2080
01:37:43,479 --> 01:37:45,880
Speaker 3: set his shoulder will never be the same. But he

2081
01:37:46,120 --> 01:37:49,519
Speaker 3: looked like a twenty eight year old prime throwing fast

2082
01:37:49,600 --> 01:37:53,559
Speaker 3: and hard combinations. Do we say, let's wait and see

2083
01:37:53,560 --> 01:37:55,559
Speaker 3: if he still got it against a more live body,

2084
01:37:55,640 --> 01:37:57,840
Speaker 3: or do you think he could step in there against

2085
01:37:57,920 --> 01:37:59,759
Speaker 3: these young champions and maybe give him a problem?

2086
01:38:00,520 --> 01:38:02,760
Speaker 7: Yeah? Why not? What I saw wasn't that that looked

2087
01:38:02,880 --> 01:38:05,960
Speaker 7: enough like the Gary Russell I knew in love back

2088
01:38:06,000 --> 01:38:09,360
Speaker 7: in the day. The combinations, the hand speed, it does

2089
01:38:09,439 --> 01:38:12,200
Speaker 7: seem like he has the legs of a late thirty

2090
01:38:12,320 --> 01:38:15,080
Speaker 7: year old athlete. Now he was not moving around the ring,

2091
01:38:15,160 --> 01:38:18,400
Speaker 7: but maybe it's because he didn't need to, or who knows,

2092
01:38:18,439 --> 01:38:20,240
Speaker 7: but it did sort of seem like he was really

2093
01:38:20,320 --> 01:38:23,759
Speaker 7: relying on, you know, his hand speed and combination punching,

2094
01:38:23,800 --> 01:38:26,479
Speaker 7: which are which still appeared to be as good as

2095
01:38:26,600 --> 01:38:28,800
Speaker 7: anything you can see in the sport of boxing. And

2096
01:38:28,880 --> 01:38:31,080
Speaker 7: he's not that old, so it makes sense. And even

2097
01:38:31,520 --> 01:38:34,360
Speaker 7: even though he's had health issues, right, he threw out

2098
01:38:34,400 --> 01:38:37,320
Speaker 7: his shoulder and that caused I believe it caused him

2099
01:38:37,320 --> 01:38:40,920
Speaker 7: to lose the Maxio fight and his only other losses

2100
01:38:40,920 --> 01:38:43,240
Speaker 7: against Lomachenko at the earlier, at the beginning of his career,

2101
01:38:43,479 --> 01:38:48,439
Speaker 7: or in their first title fight against each other more

2102
01:38:48,479 --> 01:38:51,240
Speaker 7: than ten years ago, that he never took a lot

2103
01:38:51,280 --> 01:38:53,880
Speaker 7: of damage in his career. Unfortunately, he did have hand

2104
01:38:54,240 --> 01:38:57,120
Speaker 7: hand injuries that kept him out and appeared to not

2105
01:38:57,320 --> 01:39:01,559
Speaker 7: be super eager to to stay active as a champion,

2106
01:39:01,640 --> 01:39:04,080
Speaker 7: which is lamentable. What are you gonna do? It's too

2107
01:39:04,160 --> 01:39:08,120
Speaker 7: late now, But maybe he recognizes that now and realizes, Hey,

2108
01:39:08,160 --> 01:39:11,560
Speaker 7: I'm still thirty, I'm thirty seven, I still got it

2109
01:39:11,920 --> 01:39:14,720
Speaker 7: enough to compete at the highest level. I maybe I

2110
01:39:14,880 --> 01:39:17,120
Speaker 7: know I'm not quite as as good as I was

2111
01:39:17,240 --> 01:39:20,599
Speaker 7: five years ago, but I'm like, I'm ready. I want

2112
01:39:20,640 --> 01:39:22,800
Speaker 7: it more. I want to be active, and he's got

2113
01:39:22,960 --> 01:39:25,400
Speaker 7: enough to give I think. I mean, yes, Lamont roach,

2114
01:39:25,479 --> 01:39:27,400
Speaker 7: for sure, I think that would be I'd love to

2115
01:39:27,439 --> 01:39:31,920
Speaker 7: see that fight. Would I favor Chaquare Stevenson over him

2116
01:39:31,960 --> 01:39:34,559
Speaker 7: at this point? Yes, I would? But do I still

2117
01:39:34,640 --> 01:39:35,120
Speaker 7: think it would?

2118
01:39:35,200 --> 01:39:35,240
Speaker 4: Do?

2119
01:39:35,320 --> 01:39:38,679
Speaker 7: I still think that he would catch Chaquure Stevenson with punches.

2120
01:39:38,720 --> 01:39:42,200
Speaker 7: We've never seen chaque Stevenson come close to getting caught

2121
01:39:42,280 --> 01:39:43,960
Speaker 7: with I do, and I would love to see that.

2122
01:39:44,120 --> 01:39:46,160
Speaker 7: So yeah, if he's read, if they want to throw

2123
01:39:46,240 --> 01:39:48,360
Speaker 7: him straight into the fire. I would love to see

2124
01:39:48,400 --> 01:39:51,639
Speaker 7: that if Look, Mark Mucxio also fought on this under

2125
01:39:51,680 --> 01:39:54,439
Speaker 7: cart that heat win he did He did okay, So

2126
01:39:54,640 --> 01:39:57,680
Speaker 7: that means that a rematch is viable, like if if

2127
01:39:57,720 --> 01:40:00,519
Speaker 7: everyone is if those bigger fights are booked, lamont Ro says, Look,

2128
01:40:00,600 --> 01:40:02,639
Speaker 7: I'm waiting until Tank gets out of jail. I want

2129
01:40:02,680 --> 01:40:05,040
Speaker 7: that payday, I want my get back, and there's nothing

2130
01:40:05,080 --> 01:40:06,400
Speaker 7: you can do to talk me out of it. If

2131
01:40:06,600 --> 01:40:09,720
Speaker 7: Shaquor has business with Floyd Schofield and someone else after that,

2132
01:40:10,040 --> 01:40:12,599
Speaker 7: if whatever, if they can't make those kind of fights immediately,

2133
01:40:13,040 --> 01:40:15,559
Speaker 7: the Muckxio fight is right there. It makes sense because

2134
01:40:16,280 --> 01:40:18,680
Speaker 7: that's a loss that he probably thinks he can and

2135
01:40:18,760 --> 01:40:19,679
Speaker 7: wants to avenge.

2136
01:40:20,400 --> 01:40:22,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's gonna be fun to see. I didn't have

2137
01:40:22,439 --> 01:40:24,880
Speaker 3: this on my BINGO card, but enjoyed it all. Right,

2138
01:40:24,960 --> 01:40:27,000
Speaker 3: let's get into topic number five. We could have just

2139
01:40:27,080 --> 01:40:29,320
Speaker 3: as well led the entire show with this, as it's

2140
01:40:30,280 --> 01:40:33,320
Speaker 3: among some of the most amazing headlines that came out

2141
01:40:33,360 --> 01:40:36,920
Speaker 3: of this loaded combat weekend. But how about heavyweight champion

2142
01:40:37,280 --> 01:40:42,920
Speaker 3: undisputed for the second time, Ukrainian hero Alexander Usik adding

2143
01:40:43,080 --> 01:40:49,800
Speaker 3: yet another giant gold diamond piece with flair to his incredible,

2144
01:40:49,920 --> 01:40:54,320
Speaker 3: already historic legacy and maybe really getting his flowers in

2145
01:40:54,400 --> 01:40:57,040
Speaker 3: an abundant way for the first time, in a deserved way.

2146
01:40:57,280 --> 01:40:59,479
Speaker 3: It went down Saturday in Weblue Stadium in front of

2147
01:40:59,600 --> 01:41:03,960
Speaker 3: ninety more than ninety thousand, not quite eighty k calfrods,

2148
01:41:04,280 --> 01:41:08,240
Speaker 3: but rafe, to paraphrase the great Angel Garcia. You've been

2149
01:41:08,280 --> 01:41:13,439
Speaker 3: given Usik his flowers from the beginning, this violent fifth

2150
01:41:13,600 --> 01:41:18,160
Speaker 3: round knockout of Daniel Dubois in their rematch to become

2151
01:41:18,280 --> 01:41:21,479
Speaker 3: undisputed at heavyweight for the second time, undisputed overall for

2152
01:41:21,600 --> 01:41:25,720
Speaker 3: the third time. This was the performance, it seemed, and

2153
01:41:25,840 --> 01:41:29,160
Speaker 3: rightfully so, that woke up the people that had yet

2154
01:41:29,280 --> 01:41:32,400
Speaker 3: to really realize not just that we have an all

2155
01:41:32,479 --> 01:41:35,400
Speaker 3: timer here, but that we might have a top ten

2156
01:41:35,439 --> 01:41:37,519
Speaker 3: heavyweight all time, that we might have a guy who

2157
01:41:37,680 --> 01:41:41,640
Speaker 3: is carving out like Manny his own sort of description.

2158
01:41:42,880 --> 01:41:46,080
Speaker 3: The craziest part about this to me was you said

2159
01:41:46,120 --> 01:41:48,439
Speaker 3: on our Inside the Box podcast last week coming in

2160
01:41:48,560 --> 01:41:50,960
Speaker 3: that at thirty eight, Usik might be at the peak

2161
01:41:51,000 --> 01:41:53,360
Speaker 3: of his powers. This might be his prime. And I

2162
01:41:53,400 --> 01:41:56,320
Speaker 3: remember thinking, like it's cute to say that because of

2163
01:41:56,400 --> 01:41:58,280
Speaker 3: how great he's been fighting, and he's coming off of

2164
01:41:58,400 --> 01:42:02,000
Speaker 3: two wins over Tyson, But man, that can't really be

2165
01:42:02,160 --> 01:42:06,400
Speaker 3: true in reality. And then I watch how he performed

2166
01:42:06,479 --> 01:42:09,280
Speaker 3: on Saturday, knowing he had a more dangerous version of Duboi,

2167
01:42:09,800 --> 01:42:12,720
Speaker 3: and how he brought the fight to him and got

2168
01:42:12,840 --> 01:42:16,439
Speaker 3: him the hell out of there. I think you're right.

2169
01:42:16,560 --> 01:42:19,599
Speaker 3: I think we're watching the very best version of one

2170
01:42:19,640 --> 01:42:22,599
Speaker 3: of the true living legends in the history of this sport.

2171
01:42:23,320 --> 01:42:26,040
Speaker 3: How much do you think Saturday's performance, based on the

2172
01:42:26,120 --> 01:42:29,920
Speaker 3: reaction we're really starting to hear, might cement this idea

2173
01:42:30,320 --> 01:42:32,439
Speaker 3: that we truly are watching a one of one in

2174
01:42:32,479 --> 01:42:33,400
Speaker 3: the history of the sport.

2175
01:42:33,760 --> 01:42:36,760
Speaker 7: Well, I mean, Usik is thirty eight, and I'm not

2176
01:42:36,920 --> 01:42:40,080
Speaker 7: going to argue with anyone who wants to go back

2177
01:42:40,120 --> 01:42:46,720
Speaker 7: and watch that run through Cruiserweight, watch that World Championship

2178
01:42:46,840 --> 01:42:50,639
Speaker 7: Super six whatever they called that World Boxing Super Serious

2179
01:42:50,680 --> 01:42:55,200
Speaker 7: tournament from twenty nineteen, where in twenty eighteen where Usik

2180
01:42:55,800 --> 01:43:00,760
Speaker 7: you know, ran through markle Hook, and and that that

2181
01:43:01,000 --> 01:43:04,320
Speaker 7: masterclass performance in the Championship against Murat Gasiev, and even

2182
01:43:04,360 --> 01:43:06,320
Speaker 7: the war he the hardest fight of his career really

2183
01:43:06,560 --> 01:43:09,760
Speaker 7: against or the closest one against miris breatus in the

2184
01:43:09,800 --> 01:43:12,120
Speaker 7: middle of that all of those. I mean, the version

2185
01:43:12,200 --> 01:43:13,840
Speaker 7: you saw of Usik there in a lot of ways

2186
01:43:13,880 --> 01:43:17,680
Speaker 7: probably looks fresher and more dynamic even than the one

2187
01:43:17,960 --> 01:43:20,479
Speaker 7: we've seen, you know, on we saw on Saturday or

2188
01:43:20,520 --> 01:43:22,760
Speaker 7: recently against Tyson Fury. But what I do think is

2189
01:43:22,800 --> 01:43:26,600
Speaker 7: that heavyweight in the second Fury fight, I felt like

2190
01:43:27,560 --> 01:43:31,760
Speaker 7: Usik looked as if he had finally grown into a

2191
01:43:31,920 --> 01:43:36,920
Speaker 7: full fledged, strong heavyweight, fully comfortable at the division and

2192
01:43:37,560 --> 01:43:40,080
Speaker 7: fighting toe to toe or able to fight toe to

2193
01:43:40,160 --> 01:43:43,040
Speaker 7: toe with any of the biggest opponents in the world

2194
01:43:43,439 --> 01:43:46,240
Speaker 7: in a way where he was, you know, he was

2195
01:43:46,280 --> 01:43:48,880
Speaker 7: still growing even though his weight was pretty has been

2196
01:43:50,240 --> 01:43:55,200
Speaker 7: really incredibly stable throughout this heavyweight run. But his body

2197
01:43:55,240 --> 01:43:57,560
Speaker 7: started to look really solid, and he was holding his

2198
01:43:57,600 --> 01:44:00,280
Speaker 7: ground and his and his neck and and sort of

2199
01:44:00,360 --> 01:44:02,840
Speaker 7: trap muscles. Just he stought he had like a true

2200
01:44:02,880 --> 01:44:06,760
Speaker 7: heavyweight physique, modern heavyweight physique, uh and he and he

2201
01:44:06,880 --> 01:44:08,880
Speaker 7: fought like it, and we saw even more of that

2202
01:44:09,040 --> 01:44:11,360
Speaker 7: on Saturday. So yeah, I think he is at We're

2203
01:44:11,400 --> 01:44:14,599
Speaker 7: seeing the best heavyweight version of Usik we've ever seen.

2204
01:44:14,760 --> 01:44:17,760
Speaker 7: We've seen so far, and there is no reason he

2205
01:44:17,880 --> 01:44:22,280
Speaker 7: has not shown us any signs of slowing down inside.

2206
01:44:22,520 --> 01:44:25,880
Speaker 7: I bet he knows what little things are a little

2207
01:44:25,880 --> 01:44:28,040
Speaker 7: bit different from you know that that he can't do

2208
01:44:28,160 --> 01:44:30,200
Speaker 7: quite as quick as he needs as he used to do.

2209
01:44:30,560 --> 01:44:33,880
Speaker 7: But he's so smart. He's got so there's so many

2210
01:44:33,960 --> 01:44:37,160
Speaker 7: dimensions to what he can do. Ways he can trouble

2211
01:44:37,240 --> 01:44:41,439
Speaker 7: and confuse and beat and then hurt opponents that we

2212
01:44:41,600 --> 01:44:44,519
Speaker 7: might not, you know, we might not know that he's

2213
01:44:44,560 --> 01:44:46,800
Speaker 7: going that that he has gone downhill for for a

2214
01:44:46,840 --> 01:44:48,800
Speaker 7: long time, because he's good enough to just keep beating

2215
01:44:48,880 --> 01:44:53,320
Speaker 7: people as he progresses into his his you know, late

2216
01:44:53,600 --> 01:44:55,719
Speaker 7: he's already in his late thirties, goes through his late thirties,

2217
01:44:56,000 --> 01:44:58,439
Speaker 7: maybe into his forties. He looks incredible at this weight,

2218
01:44:58,760 --> 01:45:04,080
Speaker 7: and he he he made Daniel Dubois just he outclassed him.

2219
01:45:04,120 --> 01:45:04,400
Speaker 5: Man, it was.

2220
01:45:04,640 --> 01:45:05,840
Speaker 7: It was incredible.

2221
01:45:06,800 --> 01:45:09,880
Speaker 3: It was insane, It really was, because I knew he

2222
01:45:09,960 --> 01:45:15,040
Speaker 3: had the power to potentially make this not not as

2223
01:45:15,080 --> 01:45:17,439
Speaker 3: difficult as we thought because of the success he had

2224
01:45:17,439 --> 01:45:20,160
Speaker 3: against Duban the first fight, but even the idea that

2225
01:45:20,280 --> 01:45:24,080
Speaker 3: he disciplined both Fury and Joshua with those straight left hands,

2226
01:45:24,120 --> 01:45:26,760
Speaker 3: you know, to where they couldn't just try to walk

2227
01:45:26,840 --> 01:45:29,639
Speaker 3: him down like he was some small opponent, because even

2228
01:45:29,680 --> 01:45:32,519
Speaker 3: though he's the smallest of the class in this super

2229
01:45:32,600 --> 01:45:36,680
Speaker 3: heavyweight era, man dude his way to know when it's

2230
01:45:36,760 --> 01:45:39,320
Speaker 3: time to sit down, on the power of the accuracy,

2231
01:45:39,439 --> 01:45:42,439
Speaker 3: speed and power to really give you trouble if you're

2232
01:45:42,439 --> 01:45:45,000
Speaker 3: going to try to threaten him or play games with him.

2233
01:45:45,800 --> 01:45:48,679
Speaker 3: He is getting better. He is getting better a fight

2234
01:45:48,760 --> 01:45:50,600
Speaker 3: by fight. He has to to be able to I mean,

2235
01:45:50,600 --> 01:45:52,840
Speaker 3: because when he turned pro, I mean not turn pro

2236
01:45:52,960 --> 01:45:55,280
Speaker 3: when he moved up to heavyweight, and let's not remember

2237
01:45:55,280 --> 01:45:58,400
Speaker 3: for people didn't if he didn't watch like he's generally

2238
01:45:58,479 --> 01:46:01,160
Speaker 3: considered either the greatest crew weight of all time or

2239
01:46:01,280 --> 01:46:03,960
Speaker 3: number two behind Evander Holyfield. So we're watching a guy

2240
01:46:04,040 --> 01:46:06,160
Speaker 3: that came out of winning a gold medal in the

2241
01:46:06,200 --> 01:46:11,040
Speaker 3: Olympics and beat every unbeaten champion one after another in

2242
01:46:11,120 --> 01:46:13,479
Speaker 3: that great tournament you reference. But yet when he moved

2243
01:46:13,560 --> 01:46:16,519
Speaker 3: up to heavyweight, it was like, damn, they're big. Wilder

2244
01:46:16,640 --> 01:46:19,479
Speaker 3: was still viable. Joshua and Fury are so much you know,

2245
01:46:20,000 --> 01:46:23,720
Speaker 3: wider and bigger and stronger. You know, he was like

2246
01:46:23,800 --> 01:46:27,320
Speaker 3: a boutique cute offering in the division of you know what,

2247
01:46:27,520 --> 01:46:30,760
Speaker 3: he is skilled and daring and brave enough, maybe he'll

2248
01:46:30,760 --> 01:46:34,439
Speaker 3: pick up a title. It is possible, Raf, even though

2249
01:46:34,520 --> 01:46:36,280
Speaker 3: you've been a Day one guy. And if I wanted to,

2250
01:46:36,360 --> 01:46:38,040
Speaker 3: I could show a picture of you standing on top

2251
01:46:38,080 --> 01:46:40,720
Speaker 3: of a mountain in an USAK hoodie, given yourself the

2252
01:46:40,920 --> 01:46:44,080
Speaker 3: uh yeah, giving yourself the rob Van dam there. You

2253
01:46:44,360 --> 01:46:47,760
Speaker 3: have to be blown away surprised because I know the

2254
01:46:47,800 --> 01:46:51,200
Speaker 3: guy I podcasted with during the Cruiserweight uh usk era.

2255
01:46:51,800 --> 01:46:54,479
Speaker 3: You can't tell me you expected him to defeat the

2256
01:46:54,600 --> 01:46:57,160
Speaker 3: names he did through eight heavyweight fights and for it

2257
01:46:57,280 --> 01:46:59,639
Speaker 3: to look this way and it didn't always look this way.

2258
01:46:59,680 --> 01:47:02,439
Speaker 3: That you're sore. A fight was close, the Witherspoon last

2259
01:47:02,479 --> 01:47:05,320
Speaker 3: minute debut, he looked okay, But look at who he

2260
01:47:05,439 --> 01:47:08,559
Speaker 3: is now, knowing that there's no reason to let du

2261
01:47:08,600 --> 01:47:11,040
Speaker 3: bois linger, He's gonna have to go after him to

2262
01:47:11,040 --> 01:47:13,120
Speaker 3: get him out of there. And he walked through a

2263
01:47:13,160 --> 01:47:17,120
Speaker 3: guy that just knocked Anthony Joshua the fuck out. Holy shit.

2264
01:47:17,200 --> 01:47:18,840
Speaker 3: You didn't see that coming, dude, You did not.

2265
01:47:19,720 --> 01:47:22,400
Speaker 7: You can't say no, no, I'm I am, I'm happy.

2266
01:47:22,640 --> 01:47:26,599
Speaker 7: I mean, it's it to see an athlete attempt something

2267
01:47:27,360 --> 01:47:32,120
Speaker 7: so honestly crazy. It seemed crazy far fetched. And this

2268
01:47:32,240 --> 01:47:34,160
Speaker 7: was a fighter who I thought was, you know, the

2269
01:47:34,600 --> 01:47:36,720
Speaker 7: top three in the sport and still you know, and

2270
01:47:36,840 --> 01:47:40,839
Speaker 7: and that's has never budged from that position, right. If anything,

2271
01:47:41,080 --> 01:47:45,240
Speaker 7: he's only growing in everyone's estimation, but still at in

2272
01:47:45,439 --> 01:47:49,080
Speaker 7: at heavyweight. With how well Tyson Fury was fighting at

2273
01:47:49,120 --> 01:47:53,519
Speaker 7: the time, how just physical and powerful and explosive Anthony

2274
01:47:53,600 --> 01:47:58,200
Speaker 7: Joshua can be when he's on with when yeah, Deontay Wilder,

2275
01:47:58,479 --> 01:48:00,639
Speaker 7: it still was a question, well, what if there catches

2276
01:48:00,680 --> 01:48:03,479
Speaker 7: it were right like that, that that that would end

2277
01:48:03,520 --> 01:48:07,320
Speaker 7: it all. And and to see him and I figured that, look,

2278
01:48:07,360 --> 01:48:10,439
Speaker 7: he's gonna he can go up, and I would consider

2279
01:48:10,520 --> 01:48:13,880
Speaker 7: him immediately the pound for pound best heavyweight. But he's

2280
01:48:13,920 --> 01:48:15,800
Speaker 7: given up sixty pounds to half and he's got or

2281
01:48:15,840 --> 01:48:19,160
Speaker 7: to some of the best of these guys, and eventually

2282
01:48:19,360 --> 01:48:22,960
Speaker 7: that weight, somehow, or that size is is gonna seemed

2283
01:48:23,000 --> 01:48:25,599
Speaker 7: like eventually it was going to be too much to overcome.

2284
01:48:26,040 --> 01:48:29,519
Speaker 7: Uh So, yeah, when he when he first fought Anthony Joshua,

2285
01:48:29,560 --> 01:48:31,120
Speaker 7: I was like, yeah, I think he can do it.

2286
01:48:31,280 --> 01:48:33,519
Speaker 7: I can see how he will. He will try, he

2287
01:48:33,680 --> 01:48:35,720
Speaker 7: might try to do it, but do I know for

2288
01:48:35,800 --> 01:48:38,400
Speaker 7: sure that he can pull it off. No, I don't know.

2289
01:48:38,479 --> 01:48:40,640
Speaker 7: And then he did, and he did it again and

2290
01:48:41,120 --> 01:48:44,599
Speaker 7: and then and of course then at Fury again, I thought, man,

2291
01:48:45,800 --> 01:48:49,320
Speaker 7: it's it's it's so much to bite off. Tyson Fury

2292
01:48:49,560 --> 01:48:52,880
Speaker 7: is such a born winner in a way that Usak

2293
01:48:52,960 --> 01:48:55,040
Speaker 7: I could I believe it also was. But that's the thing.

2294
01:48:55,080 --> 01:48:59,080
Speaker 7: He was meeting a great a great fighter like himself

2295
01:48:59,360 --> 01:49:03,560
Speaker 7: who was just gigantic compared to him, and and and

2296
01:49:03,720 --> 01:49:06,759
Speaker 7: has you know, a gigantic bag of tricks in different

2297
01:49:06,760 --> 01:49:09,719
Speaker 7: ways to fight and win fights, you know, pretty ugly

2298
01:49:10,120 --> 01:49:13,080
Speaker 7: show voting all you can can do it all himself

2299
01:49:13,120 --> 01:49:15,000
Speaker 7: in his own way. And I was like, man, I

2300
01:49:15,160 --> 01:49:17,400
Speaker 7: I I want to see him do it again. I

2301
01:49:17,560 --> 01:49:22,320
Speaker 7: believe that he is talented and disciplined and uh and

2302
01:49:22,560 --> 01:49:25,040
Speaker 7: and and has the attributes to pull this off. But

2303
01:49:25,120 --> 01:49:27,920
Speaker 7: I don't like what I bet on it. No, I would,

2304
01:49:27,960 --> 01:49:31,400
Speaker 7: I would. I would have made Tyson Fury the favorite

2305
01:49:31,400 --> 01:49:32,160
Speaker 7: in that first fight.

2306
01:49:32,560 --> 01:49:35,760
Speaker 3: And and again he over he he he almost knocked

2307
01:49:35,800 --> 01:49:36,080
Speaker 3: him out.

2308
01:49:36,400 --> 01:49:40,040
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's the thing. He's he he's the he's this guy.

2309
01:49:40,400 --> 01:49:43,440
Speaker 7: Usik is this fighter who I thought was already incredible.

2310
01:49:44,320 --> 01:49:46,479
Speaker 7: Then went and said, I'm going to do all the

2311
01:49:46,560 --> 01:49:50,439
Speaker 7: things that even my biggest fans think probably might be

2312
01:49:50,840 --> 01:49:54,719
Speaker 7: just too much more, too ambitious for even so even

2313
01:49:54,840 --> 01:49:58,479
Speaker 7: me to do, and then pulls it all off twice.

2314
01:49:59,120 --> 01:50:01,880
Speaker 7: Uh and and the duboiff. I mean he the thing is,

2315
01:50:02,240 --> 01:50:06,200
Speaker 7: especially at heavyweight, he beats. He's beating opponents. He hurts

2316
01:50:06,280 --> 01:50:09,080
Speaker 7: them first with his legs and and his and his

2317
01:50:09,200 --> 01:50:12,519
Speaker 7: brain and his feints and the cut like the going

2318
01:50:12,600 --> 01:50:14,320
Speaker 7: all the way back to the Tony Bell you fight,

2319
01:50:14,360 --> 01:50:16,599
Speaker 7: which was that cruiserweight, but the one that you called

2320
01:50:16,680 --> 01:50:20,519
Speaker 7: Brian uh, where he tires out the opponent with movement

2321
01:50:20,840 --> 01:50:24,080
Speaker 7: circling constantly, making these big men adjust and think and

2322
01:50:24,240 --> 01:50:27,080
Speaker 7: react to to to like you know, to his jab

2323
01:50:27,200 --> 01:50:30,080
Speaker 7: and to everything in the ring to the point where

2324
01:50:30,120 --> 01:50:32,559
Speaker 7: they get they tire out before he does. And then

2325
01:50:33,600 --> 01:50:35,439
Speaker 7: his punches, which might not have hurt them in the

2326
01:50:35,520 --> 01:50:38,479
Speaker 7: first round, can can can can hurt them, can knock

2327
01:50:38,520 --> 01:50:40,320
Speaker 7: them out, can knock them down, can swing a fight.

2328
01:50:40,760 --> 01:50:43,840
Speaker 7: And it's just I mean, it's it's we're lucky to

2329
01:50:43,880 --> 01:50:47,000
Speaker 7: watch it. And yes he does, I mean he I

2330
01:50:47,120 --> 01:50:50,439
Speaker 7: think is at this point, he's clearly cementing himself as

2331
01:50:50,600 --> 01:50:55,080
Speaker 7: the UH, as the best heavyweight of the twenty first century.

2332
01:50:55,320 --> 01:50:58,640
Speaker 3: He's you know, and and of this Renaissance era, and

2333
01:50:58,680 --> 01:51:00,680
Speaker 3: people are like, well, this era suck. Well, first of all,

2334
01:51:00,680 --> 01:51:03,759
Speaker 3: it doesn't. I've made arguments in print that it actually

2335
01:51:03,800 --> 01:51:05,519
Speaker 3: could be the third best era of all time. But

2336
01:51:05,640 --> 01:51:08,759
Speaker 3: even if it's not like he's beating, he is beating

2337
01:51:08,800 --> 01:51:10,960
Speaker 3: Hall of famers. When you talk about two wins over Fury,

2338
01:51:11,040 --> 01:51:14,679
Speaker 3: two wins over over Joshua, and the idea of beating

2339
01:51:14,760 --> 01:51:18,080
Speaker 3: some of those like top shelf peuiserweights at the time

2340
01:51:18,160 --> 01:51:21,080
Speaker 3: that he did. Dude, He's done this in twenty four fights.

2341
01:51:21,400 --> 01:51:24,280
Speaker 3: I don't think another pro has had, you know, considering

2342
01:51:24,360 --> 01:51:26,200
Speaker 3: the eras that we compare these guys to, you know,

2343
01:51:26,240 --> 01:51:29,040
Speaker 3: they had one hundred and fifty two hundred fights, But

2344
01:51:29,200 --> 01:51:32,840
Speaker 3: in twenty four fights, this guy went from being under

2345
01:51:33,080 --> 01:51:36,400
Speaker 3: on the first four belt undisputed cruiseweight champion, beating every

2346
01:51:36,479 --> 01:51:40,080
Speaker 3: single champion one after another, and now beating this run

2347
01:51:40,160 --> 01:51:43,840
Speaker 3: at heavyweight and twice becoming the undisputed champion first time

2348
01:51:43,920 --> 01:51:46,559
Speaker 3: the four belt undisputed. This is this is insane. Let's

2349
01:51:46,560 --> 01:51:49,720
Speaker 3: see that Twitter meme there with all the faces on it.

2350
01:51:50,040 --> 01:51:51,760
Speaker 3: Long Island Luke of the recent run there.

2351
01:51:51,920 --> 01:51:52,320
Speaker 7: I'm sorry.

2352
01:51:52,320 --> 01:51:54,640
Speaker 3: Of all the these are the last eleven fights. So

2353
01:51:54,800 --> 01:51:57,960
Speaker 3: the last fight at cruiserweight there was Belly r. The

2354
01:51:58,040 --> 01:52:00,840
Speaker 3: last two fights was Belle U and Myris This so

2355
01:52:00,920 --> 01:52:03,439
Speaker 3: this is the end of the World Boxing Super Zero

2356
01:52:03,720 --> 01:52:07,680
Speaker 3: series leading into his heavyweight run. Look at this, So

2357
01:52:07,760 --> 01:52:11,320
Speaker 3: you're looking at his last ten fights eleven if you

2358
01:52:11,400 --> 01:52:15,760
Speaker 3: count the second Dubois. That's insane. That's absolutely insane, dude.

2359
01:52:15,800 --> 01:52:18,719
Speaker 3: And even that was a great version of of Chazor,

2360
01:52:18,800 --> 01:52:22,160
Speaker 3: who really pushed them, you know, like.

2361
01:52:22,360 --> 01:52:26,120
Speaker 7: Gizora doing his his best wild man act that he

2362
01:52:26,160 --> 01:52:29,480
Speaker 7: could and put just smothering him with so much like disgusting,

2363
01:52:29,640 --> 01:52:31,880
Speaker 7: ugly pressure. But it's hard to deal with, especially for

2364
01:52:31,920 --> 01:52:34,280
Speaker 7: a fighter like like Usik. But the thing Brian with

2365
01:52:34,400 --> 01:52:37,160
Speaker 7: that graphic. The other crazy thing about that graphic is

2366
01:52:37,400 --> 01:52:40,040
Speaker 7: there's not enough room on on the screen in that tweet,

2367
01:52:40,400 --> 01:52:42,360
Speaker 7: But it should have gone on a little bit longer.

2368
01:52:42,479 --> 01:52:45,719
Speaker 7: His fight. Two fights before that, he'd beat Marco Hook,

2369
01:52:46,000 --> 01:52:48,680
Speaker 7: who you know was a dangerous heavyweight and a long

2370
01:52:48,760 --> 01:52:52,720
Speaker 7: time cruiserweight you know, titleist and title and contender, and

2371
01:52:52,880 --> 01:52:58,720
Speaker 7: also uh Gloatsky, the the you know the police check. Yeah,

2372
01:52:58,960 --> 01:53:01,599
Speaker 7: I mean, like those the three fights before then it's

2373
01:53:01,720 --> 01:53:04,680
Speaker 7: it's outrageous like you could and even then shout out

2374
01:53:04,680 --> 01:53:08,479
Speaker 7: to my boy Tabisu Umtunu of South Africa who in

2375
01:53:08,600 --> 01:53:12,200
Speaker 7: his moment could give our boy Eddie Chambers a rough

2376
01:53:12,320 --> 01:53:13,479
Speaker 7: night on NBC Sports.

2377
01:53:13,920 --> 01:53:16,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, and while everyone can say cruiserweight sucks, it always sucks.

2378
01:53:17,080 --> 01:53:19,280
Speaker 3: That was the deepest that ever was seriously for like

2379
01:53:19,400 --> 01:53:22,040
Speaker 3: world class guys. And think about it, how hard it

2380
01:53:22,160 --> 01:53:25,080
Speaker 3: is to be a heavyweight in the top five of

2381
01:53:25,160 --> 01:53:28,160
Speaker 3: a pound for pound at any time the list, you know,

2382
01:53:28,200 --> 01:53:30,560
Speaker 3: the pound for pound was created to put people on

2383
01:53:30,640 --> 01:53:33,720
Speaker 3: an even basis with heavyweights that they'd never be able

2384
01:53:33,800 --> 01:53:36,920
Speaker 3: to defeat in reality, in an era in which you

2385
01:53:37,040 --> 01:53:40,200
Speaker 3: have so much competition on top of it that Terence

2386
01:53:40,280 --> 01:53:44,559
Speaker 3: Crawford Niowa in a way Jesse Bam Rodriguez will talk

2387
01:53:44,600 --> 01:53:47,120
Speaker 3: about in a second, like Canelo, all these people have

2388
01:53:47,240 --> 01:53:49,960
Speaker 3: to take a back seat to this guy being the

2389
01:53:50,120 --> 01:53:52,760
Speaker 3: rightful pound for pound number one at age thirty eight

2390
01:53:53,200 --> 01:53:56,360
Speaker 3: and being a heavyweight. It's amazing. Let's hear this great

2391
01:53:56,400 --> 01:53:59,680
Speaker 3: piece of sound from the press conference that everybody's been

2392
01:54:00,120 --> 01:54:03,720
Speaker 3: fully playing up about Usak explaining why he is who

2393
01:54:03,760 --> 01:54:05,000
Speaker 3: he is and why he's here today.

2394
01:54:05,479 --> 01:54:07,879
Speaker 5: Ah, listen, bro, I don't have motivation.

2395
01:54:08,040 --> 01:54:08,280
Speaker 4: I have.

2396
01:54:10,960 --> 01:54:11,600
Speaker 5: Discipline.

2397
01:54:12,120 --> 01:54:14,639
Speaker 7: Motivation it's temporary.

2398
01:54:16,360 --> 01:54:16,719
Speaker 9: Today.

2399
01:54:17,880 --> 01:54:24,479
Speaker 16: For example, today you have motivation. Tomorrow wake up early,

2400
01:54:24,760 --> 01:54:30,160
Speaker 16: you don't have motivation. But when I wake up early

2401
01:54:30,240 --> 01:54:35,440
Speaker 16: morning and training, I never have motivation. I have only

2402
01:54:35,560 --> 01:54:41,160
Speaker 16: discipline because when I wake up my team to wake

2403
01:54:41,280 --> 01:54:46,520
Speaker 16: up and we go to training, motivation need only.

2404
01:54:48,480 --> 01:54:55,720
Speaker 7: A matter sportsman, not boxing, not professional. Yeah.

2405
01:54:58,440 --> 01:55:02,560
Speaker 3: Actually he is a very impressive person. Uh loves his God,

2406
01:55:02,640 --> 01:55:05,360
Speaker 3: his family, and his country above all else. You can

2407
01:55:05,400 --> 01:55:07,400
Speaker 3: see that in the way he lives his life. Here's

2408
01:55:07,400 --> 01:55:10,240
Speaker 3: a tweet from Luke Thomas, actually who's on vacation right now,

2409
01:55:10,360 --> 01:55:13,440
Speaker 3: but saying Usik might be the most talented and accomplished

2410
01:55:13,480 --> 01:55:16,560
Speaker 3: combat sports athlete of my adult life. RAF, both you

2411
01:55:16,600 --> 01:55:18,080
Speaker 3: and I are not here to try to figure out

2412
01:55:18,120 --> 01:55:21,160
Speaker 3: exactly where he would rank top ten all time if

2413
01:55:21,200 --> 01:55:23,360
Speaker 3: he is in the top ten, and look, it's once

2414
01:55:23,400 --> 01:55:25,240
Speaker 3: you start actually doing a top ten you realize how

2415
01:55:25,280 --> 01:55:28,600
Speaker 3: many greats there're been. He does fit, though the mythical

2416
01:55:28,680 --> 01:55:31,480
Speaker 3: matchup idea really well as someone six foot three with

2417
01:55:31,640 --> 01:55:35,800
Speaker 3: that skill that durability. Could he beat a prime Lennox

2418
01:55:35,880 --> 01:55:38,840
Speaker 3: Lewis or Vitali Klitschko even from modern era. I don't know,

2419
01:55:39,560 --> 01:55:41,600
Speaker 3: but we know what we're watching. We are watching one

2420
01:55:41,680 --> 01:55:44,760
Speaker 3: of the greatest of all time. So if he's got

2421
01:55:44,800 --> 01:55:47,840
Speaker 3: a couple fights left, who should be next? I think

2422
01:55:47,920 --> 01:55:51,160
Speaker 3: the proper judgment tells you Joseph Parker has earned it.

2423
01:55:51,520 --> 01:55:55,120
Speaker 3: He's been on the outside looking in lately of this opportunity.

2424
01:55:55,840 --> 01:55:55,960
Speaker 4: Uh.

2425
01:55:56,720 --> 01:55:59,000
Speaker 3: But then they let fricking Jake Paul in the ring?

2426
01:55:59,160 --> 01:55:59,960
Speaker 3: What does go show?

2427
01:56:00,160 --> 01:56:00,200
Speaker 4: This?

2428
01:56:00,360 --> 01:56:04,040
Speaker 3: What is going on here? Now? Apparently rayf this was

2429
01:56:04,160 --> 01:56:06,960
Speaker 3: to push the idea of an MMA fight between the

2430
01:56:07,040 --> 01:56:10,520
Speaker 3: two and not a boxing match. And luckily and if

2431
01:56:10,560 --> 01:56:12,920
Speaker 3: it's if it's an MMA fight, like do it afterwards?

2432
01:56:13,360 --> 01:56:16,280
Speaker 3: As far as who's left, Turkey tweeted that he wants

2433
01:56:16,400 --> 01:56:19,240
Speaker 3: what twenty one year old Moses E. Talma who is

2434
01:56:19,560 --> 01:56:23,080
Speaker 3: going to be great? But it's early and that dude's rise.

2435
01:56:23,760 --> 01:56:25,560
Speaker 3: Why would it not be Joseph Parker next?

2436
01:56:26,560 --> 01:56:29,280
Speaker 7: Uh? The only reason it would not be Joseph Parker

2437
01:56:29,400 --> 01:56:31,480
Speaker 7: is because they think it's not sexy enough, or they

2438
01:56:31,560 --> 01:56:34,000
Speaker 7: think it's not gonna make enough money. They can't sell

2439
01:56:34,040 --> 01:56:37,240
Speaker 7: it well enough. If if if look, if if it's

2440
01:56:37,280 --> 01:56:39,800
Speaker 7: Turkey's money, make the fight that we should that that

2441
01:56:39,880 --> 01:56:42,480
Speaker 7: should be made according to the you know, I mean,

2442
01:56:42,520 --> 01:56:45,600
Speaker 7: not that anyone actually follows the rules of not not

2443
01:56:45,720 --> 01:56:47,720
Speaker 7: that not not that the sport of boxing follows its

2444
01:56:47,800 --> 01:56:50,680
Speaker 7: old rules, or that commissions rules really they even care

2445
01:56:50,720 --> 01:56:53,440
Speaker 7: about their own rules, but generally in the spirit of

2446
01:56:53,520 --> 01:56:55,480
Speaker 7: the sport, if there is such a thing in boxing,

2447
01:56:55,840 --> 01:56:58,960
Speaker 7: like Parker is on a great run, he's a former champion.

2448
01:56:59,040 --> 01:57:01,600
Speaker 7: He's he's he you know, he fought a j and

2449
01:57:01,720 --> 01:57:04,520
Speaker 7: and and you know, and try to unify. Uh he's

2450
01:57:05,080 --> 01:57:07,920
Speaker 7: he's he's a worthy challenger. And the way that I

2451
01:57:08,120 --> 01:57:11,960
Speaker 7: think Usik builds his resume from here isn't by running

2452
01:57:12,000 --> 01:57:15,880
Speaker 7: it back for a third time with aj or Fury. Guys,

2453
01:57:15,920 --> 01:57:19,720
Speaker 7: he's already beaten twice. Even though look, Fury is is

2454
01:57:20,320 --> 01:57:23,280
Speaker 7: is all might always be the toughest match alive for

2455
01:57:23,480 --> 01:57:26,320
Speaker 7: Usik is in in their you know, in their career span,

2456
01:57:26,480 --> 01:57:28,880
Speaker 7: just because of their age ages and like Etama might

2457
01:57:28,960 --> 01:57:31,200
Speaker 7: not come up in time to to to really be

2458
01:57:31,360 --> 01:57:35,520
Speaker 7: there for that, but uh, Parker deserves it, like and

2459
01:57:35,680 --> 01:57:40,200
Speaker 7: and I I genuinely do think that's how Usik builds

2460
01:57:40,240 --> 01:57:42,920
Speaker 7: his resume from here. And that not just not just

2461
01:57:43,040 --> 01:57:46,160
Speaker 7: having beaten the big names and clearly put himself above them,

2462
01:57:46,400 --> 01:57:50,920
Speaker 7: but then length straight like like like uh, stretch out

2463
01:57:51,040 --> 01:57:54,280
Speaker 7: that run, show people that yeah, there isn't there There

2464
01:57:54,400 --> 01:57:56,760
Speaker 7: wasn't some random guy out there who might have had

2465
01:57:56,840 --> 01:57:59,760
Speaker 7: my number but just never got the chance like I,

2466
01:58:00,280 --> 01:58:02,880
Speaker 7: you know. And also it's it's fun to see new

2467
01:58:02,960 --> 01:58:05,920
Speaker 7: styles match up in the ring. Even if I would

2468
01:58:06,000 --> 01:58:09,800
Speaker 7: make you know, uh, I would, I would make Alexander

2469
01:58:09,960 --> 01:58:12,800
Speaker 7: Usik a heavier favorite against Joseph Parker than I would

2470
01:58:12,880 --> 01:58:15,000
Speaker 7: in a third Fury fight. But at the same time,

2471
01:58:15,080 --> 01:58:17,000
Speaker 7: Brian and this is something that all of the UK

2472
01:58:17,120 --> 01:58:20,080
Speaker 7: fighters who fought him twice say, the second time you

2473
01:58:20,200 --> 01:58:23,880
Speaker 7: run into that guy, it's a much worse experience, Like

2474
01:58:24,240 --> 01:58:27,640
Speaker 7: he already like he has like like like we used

2475
01:58:27,640 --> 01:58:31,840
Speaker 7: to say about his friend and compatriot and former Ukrainian

2476
01:58:31,960 --> 01:58:36,800
Speaker 7: folk dance partner Vassili Lomachenko, he's downloaded the information he's

2477
01:58:36,920 --> 01:58:39,200
Speaker 7: got you in the hard drive and he and he's

2478
01:58:39,320 --> 01:58:42,440
Speaker 7: he's going to be way worse. So it is fun

2479
01:58:42,520 --> 01:58:46,120
Speaker 7: to see a new fighter give him a new a

2480
01:58:46,240 --> 01:58:49,720
Speaker 7: new problem set to to unravel in the ring. And

2481
01:58:49,920 --> 01:58:53,480
Speaker 7: also how they're going to react to the everything that

2482
01:58:53,640 --> 01:58:55,080
Speaker 7: USA can throw them. So I would like to see

2483
01:58:55,160 --> 01:58:57,760
Speaker 7: Joseph Parker getting even though I mean Joseph Parker might

2484
01:58:57,840 --> 01:59:00,480
Speaker 7: be all the things he does are a little bit

2485
01:59:00,640 --> 01:59:03,240
Speaker 7: like Alexander Usick just a little bit worse. So it's

2486
01:59:03,280 --> 01:59:06,080
Speaker 7: not it's I see why it's not sexy, but that's

2487
01:59:06,080 --> 01:59:08,920
Speaker 7: what's that's the deserve, that's sort of what deserves to

2488
01:59:08,960 --> 01:59:09,640
Speaker 7: happen at this point.

2489
01:59:09,720 --> 01:59:12,400
Speaker 3: Well, look the love that Usik showed England in the

2490
01:59:12,520 --> 01:59:15,720
Speaker 3: ring afterwards in the press conference. Even though Parker's a

2491
01:59:15,840 --> 01:59:19,400
Speaker 3: New Zealander formerly sponsored by Burger King and who would

2492
01:59:19,400 --> 01:59:22,400
Speaker 3: have the center logo on the ring on his local fights.

2493
01:59:22,920 --> 01:59:24,840
Speaker 3: I think you do that in the UK, you know,

2494
01:59:25,000 --> 01:59:27,040
Speaker 3: do it on a Turkey car loaded up. They did

2495
01:59:27,120 --> 01:59:30,320
Speaker 3: not load up this one. But I think that it'd

2496
01:59:30,400 --> 01:59:34,080
Speaker 3: be just fine because those fans make filling a soccer

2497
01:59:34,160 --> 01:59:37,400
Speaker 3: stadium with almost one hundred thousand people feel really special.

2498
01:59:37,760 --> 01:59:41,160
Speaker 3: Those the dude. The the ring walk for both fighters

2499
01:59:41,200 --> 01:59:44,560
Speaker 3: on Saturday, d and Usick, it really gave me like chills.

2500
01:59:44,600 --> 01:59:46,320
Speaker 3: It blew me away and I watched it after the

2501
01:59:46,400 --> 01:59:51,880
Speaker 3: fact knowing the result and to see that pageantry, dude,

2502
01:59:51,960 --> 01:59:55,640
Speaker 3: like that's everything I love about boxing. Bring him back there.

2503
01:59:56,160 --> 02:00:00,280
Speaker 3: Even when those uk de Zonhn announcers came on that

2504
02:00:00,320 --> 02:00:03,240
Speaker 3: we've been you know, hit watching call fights forever, even

2505
02:00:03,280 --> 02:00:06,000
Speaker 3: as Americans. I was like, damn, come on, give me Grisham,

2506
02:00:06,040 --> 02:00:09,120
Speaker 3: give me that big fight. Feel. Those guys were awesome, dude.

2507
02:00:09,200 --> 02:00:11,720
Speaker 3: I mean they not only gave USI some major flowers,

2508
02:00:11,800 --> 02:00:14,280
Speaker 3: but they made that fight feel like it was, you know,

2509
02:00:14,360 --> 02:00:18,200
Speaker 3: the epic end to a movie. So Joseph Parker deserves it,

2510
02:00:18,240 --> 02:00:20,800
Speaker 3: and I think he'd give him an interesting fight you

2511
02:00:20,880 --> 02:00:23,440
Speaker 3: want to do, Atalma, give him a big name first, right,

2512
02:00:23,880 --> 02:00:26,280
Speaker 3: give him a little more than what you have given him,

2513
02:00:26,280 --> 02:00:28,920
Speaker 3: which he looks fantastic. Let's just close out this then

2514
02:00:28,920 --> 02:00:31,040
Speaker 3: we'll get into the fan segments. We got to bring

2515
02:00:31,120 --> 02:00:33,160
Speaker 3: up what did happen with Todd Grisham on the call

2516
02:00:33,280 --> 02:00:36,320
Speaker 3: Saturday night? And that's when Deszone went to Frisco, Texas.

2517
02:00:36,840 --> 02:00:39,959
Speaker 3: We got to see a unification fight at super flyweight

2518
02:00:40,360 --> 02:00:43,720
Speaker 3: and pound for pound ranks. San Antonio's own Jesse Bam Rodriguez,

2519
02:00:44,120 --> 02:00:46,960
Speaker 3: just twenty five years old, put it on a game

2520
02:00:48,080 --> 02:00:53,360
Speaker 3: La fumalaile cafu to finish him via tenth round TKO

2521
02:00:54,400 --> 02:00:58,280
Speaker 3: unify titles put him a step closer to super fights,

2522
02:00:58,280 --> 02:01:01,560
Speaker 3: which will be first a unification with Fernando Martinez this

2523
02:01:01,680 --> 02:01:04,200
Speaker 3: fall in read not a super fight, but a very

2524
02:01:04,240 --> 02:01:08,280
Speaker 3: good unification, And then the idea could he fight Nakatani?

2525
02:01:08,320 --> 02:01:10,560
Speaker 3: Could he fight in a way down the line? First

2526
02:01:10,600 --> 02:01:13,160
Speaker 3: and foremost to Ray, we know how good he is,

2527
02:01:13,800 --> 02:01:16,000
Speaker 3: but then you watch this fight and you see the

2528
02:01:16,080 --> 02:01:19,560
Speaker 3: wrinkles he's adding to his footwork, to his faint game,

2529
02:01:19,920 --> 02:01:23,160
Speaker 3: to the way he leaps in with combinations. He's fucking

2530
02:01:23,400 --> 02:01:26,200
Speaker 3: awesome and he's not gonna get the the pub he

2531
02:01:26,360 --> 02:01:28,960
Speaker 3: deserves on this on this past weekend, or maybe for

2532
02:01:29,040 --> 02:01:32,720
Speaker 3: a while as his profile continues to grow. But he's

2533
02:01:33,000 --> 02:01:38,520
Speaker 3: really becoming a dynamic, insanely great boxer, and I don't

2534
02:01:38,520 --> 02:01:39,440
Speaker 3: want people to miss.

2535
02:01:39,280 --> 02:01:42,680
Speaker 7: This, not absolutely man the patient, also the patients. In

2536
02:01:42,760 --> 02:01:47,680
Speaker 7: this fight. Kafu was fighting a very negative style, basically

2537
02:01:48,000 --> 02:01:51,920
Speaker 7: going from corner to corner, defending and and and and

2538
02:01:52,160 --> 02:01:56,560
Speaker 7: challenging Bam with you know, truly dangerous counterpunches like he's.

2539
02:01:56,800 --> 02:02:00,600
Speaker 7: He had a nice little game plan to make Bam

2540
02:02:00,760 --> 02:02:04,200
Speaker 7: work and and Bam took his time, one rounds, banked

2541
02:02:04,280 --> 02:02:06,440
Speaker 7: rounds along the way, did what he needed to do

2542
02:02:06,760 --> 02:02:09,240
Speaker 7: to give himself a cushion on the scorecards. Didn't just

2543
02:02:09,560 --> 02:02:12,160
Speaker 7: sort of fall into complacency and be like this guy was,

2544
02:02:12,240 --> 02:02:16,760
Speaker 7: you know, do honestly, you know, imagine Canello against William Skull,

2545
02:02:16,800 --> 02:02:21,120
Speaker 7: who was doing a much worse version of what Kafu

2546
02:02:21,320 --> 02:02:24,240
Speaker 7: was sort of doing in this fight. But like and

2547
02:02:24,360 --> 02:02:27,120
Speaker 7: Canelo just sort of disengaging. No, Bam stayed with him,

2548
02:02:27,720 --> 02:02:30,680
Speaker 7: stuck to him. That was whenever Kafu tries to relocate.

2549
02:02:30,720 --> 02:02:33,240
Speaker 7: BAM's footwork is so like we usually see it just

2550
02:02:33,600 --> 02:02:35,560
Speaker 7: we think of it when he does those shifts and

2551
02:02:35,680 --> 02:02:38,600
Speaker 7: sets up a great combination. But it was also in

2552
02:02:38,800 --> 02:02:41,360
Speaker 7: keeping the pressure on this opponent who was trying to

2553
02:02:41,440 --> 02:02:43,240
Speaker 7: make it a really hard night for him and make

2554
02:02:43,320 --> 02:02:45,800
Speaker 7: him work as much as possible, and had some success,

2555
02:02:46,000 --> 02:02:50,240
Speaker 7: but eventually he figured him out and just and delivered

2556
02:02:50,400 --> 02:02:52,760
Speaker 7: a pretty impressive finish, even though they got kind of

2557
02:02:52,800 --> 02:02:55,720
Speaker 7: tangled up and then it got waved off from the corner.

2558
02:02:56,040 --> 02:02:58,760
Speaker 7: But it was man, he's he's an artist, man, and

2559
02:02:58,800 --> 02:03:01,160
Speaker 7: he's so young, he's twenty five years old. He could

2560
02:03:01,200 --> 02:03:04,960
Speaker 7: be doing this. The smaller fighters tend to, you know,

2561
02:03:05,160 --> 02:03:08,400
Speaker 7: have shorter careers. You know, it's it's unusual to see

2562
02:03:08,440 --> 02:03:10,960
Speaker 7: them fight into their late thirties, like the heavyweights too,

2563
02:03:11,280 --> 02:03:14,960
Speaker 7: But goodness, Brian, he's he. That's you could take Brian's

2564
02:03:15,000 --> 02:03:17,440
Speaker 7: to Brian well, I like all of Brian's tweets. You

2565
02:03:17,440 --> 02:03:20,760
Speaker 7: could take Luke's tweet about Alexander Usik from this weekend

2566
02:03:21,160 --> 02:03:24,160
Speaker 7: and apply it to now it and to in new way.

2567
02:03:24,600 --> 02:03:28,360
Speaker 7: Maybe you know, Bam Rodriquez isn't that far from similar

2568
02:03:28,520 --> 02:03:32,680
Speaker 7: kind of praise because they're doing really incredible things and

2569
02:03:32,840 --> 02:03:39,080
Speaker 7: dominating just outstanding opponent after outstanding opponent. There, he's fantastic man.

2570
02:03:39,360 --> 02:03:41,080
Speaker 3: And I've to admit sometimes you know, you tune in

2571
02:03:41,160 --> 02:03:43,280
Speaker 3: for a fight, you know he's great, but you're like,

2572
02:03:43,440 --> 02:03:45,240
Speaker 3: is he really great as we say he is? And

2573
02:03:45,320 --> 02:03:48,240
Speaker 3: then you watch that fight and watch just how ahead

2574
02:03:48,280 --> 02:03:50,240
Speaker 3: of it he is, how dynamic he is, I mean,

2575
02:03:50,320 --> 02:03:53,080
Speaker 3: a thinker but with real power. He's got a cool

2576
02:03:53,120 --> 02:03:56,120
Speaker 3: look with the tattoos he's adding. He's a badass on

2577
02:03:56,200 --> 02:03:58,200
Speaker 3: top of it, and he beats legends and beats him badly.

2578
02:03:58,360 --> 02:04:02,480
Speaker 3: So uh continue to soar their Bam and I hopefully

2579
02:04:02,760 --> 02:04:04,800
Speaker 3: he'll get the kind of big fights that Chocolate Tito

2580
02:04:04,880 --> 02:04:07,520
Speaker 3: eventually got that really put him in people's living rooms

2581
02:04:08,840 --> 02:04:11,240
Speaker 3: five seconds or less. How disappointed were you that Diego

2582
02:04:11,280 --> 02:04:14,240
Speaker 3: peg Checo decided to box Trevor mccundy McCombe and we

2583
02:04:14,280 --> 02:04:16,600
Speaker 3: didn't get a weird Florida swamp sloppy war.

2584
02:04:18,680 --> 02:04:21,320
Speaker 7: I like, I'm I'm not, I'm not. I'm not over

2585
02:04:21,360 --> 02:04:23,080
Speaker 7: it yet, Brian, I'm down there.

2586
02:04:23,400 --> 02:04:26,200
Speaker 3: It's got me all right. Uh, let's we got two

2587
02:04:26,240 --> 02:04:29,560
Speaker 3: more segments for you. Happy, thankful that the great raf

2588
02:04:29,640 --> 02:04:32,440
Speaker 3: bugs filling in for Luke Thomas today as Luke enjoys

2589
02:04:32,440 --> 02:04:34,640
Speaker 3: a family vacation every Sunday night, we put out the

2590
02:04:34,720 --> 02:04:38,880
Speaker 3: call at morning combat on Twitter and on the damn

2591
02:04:39,040 --> 02:04:42,000
Speaker 3: Instagram to hear your questions. We'll try to answer them

2592
02:04:42,040 --> 02:04:44,920
Speaker 3: the best we can. This one's called d MS from

2593
02:04:45,000 --> 02:04:54,120
Speaker 3: Donks was the sound of a donkey getting off, apparently,

2594
02:04:54,160 --> 02:04:58,920
Speaker 3: and it's disgusting. It was not bad, okay, worse.

2595
02:04:59,120 --> 02:05:00,760
Speaker 7: You hooked at a lot of Yeah.

2596
02:05:00,880 --> 02:05:03,080
Speaker 3: I mean, you've probably seen that video in the late

2597
02:05:03,200 --> 02:05:05,120
Speaker 3: nineties that they people used to show each other in

2598
02:05:05,160 --> 02:05:07,960
Speaker 3: colleges with that woman and that giant horse, Like I don't,

2599
02:05:08,160 --> 02:05:11,280
Speaker 3: I can't, I just I can't. I can't, Okay, I can't. Anyway,

2600
02:05:11,360 --> 02:05:15,240
Speaker 3: First question. What do you got people from Nate the

2601
02:05:15,360 --> 02:05:22,560
Speaker 3: Great UK. Oh, sorry, Nate the Great UX looks all right,

2602
02:05:22,560 --> 02:05:25,040
Speaker 3: I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Here small writing, I've got old

2603
02:05:25,080 --> 02:05:28,800
Speaker 3: eyes with how much class was displayed before and after

2604
02:05:28,920 --> 02:05:31,480
Speaker 3: the fight. UFC three eighteen made event on Saturday between

2605
02:05:31,520 --> 02:05:34,200
Speaker 3: Dustin and Max. Outside of those guys, who would you

2606
02:05:34,240 --> 02:05:38,640
Speaker 3: guys put in a top five classiest fighters? No order necessary?

2607
02:05:39,040 --> 02:05:41,640
Speaker 3: From an MMA side, you know those guys are right

2608
02:05:41,680 --> 02:05:43,880
Speaker 3: there at the top of it. I love Randy Katour

2609
02:05:43,920 --> 02:05:46,360
Speaker 3: and all that as just an all time gentleman. And

2610
02:05:46,960 --> 02:05:49,000
Speaker 3: maybe he'll appear on this episode. We'll see. We still

2611
02:05:49,000 --> 02:05:51,120
Speaker 3: got some time left. RAF. What do you got on

2612
02:05:51,160 --> 02:05:54,200
Speaker 3: a boxing standpoint? You've been a reporter, You've been an

2613
02:05:54,200 --> 02:05:57,040
Speaker 3: admyer of this game. Who do you think kind of

2614
02:05:57,080 --> 02:06:00,800
Speaker 3: fits that Dustin Poorie, Max Holloway, Bill of Like, at

2615
02:06:00,840 --> 02:06:02,280
Speaker 3: the end of the day, you just want to cheer

2616
02:06:02,360 --> 02:06:08,680
Speaker 3: for them because they're gentlemen, They're they're respectful, class individuals, a.

2617
02:06:08,760 --> 02:06:11,880
Speaker 7: Real top bloke. I think we gotta go. We got

2618
02:06:11,920 --> 02:06:14,160
Speaker 7: we probably got to go across the pond and figure

2619
02:06:14,200 --> 02:06:16,560
Speaker 7: out who's a who always gives like a like an

2620
02:06:16,600 --> 02:06:19,920
Speaker 7: Anthony Krola back in the day, clear class, Derek Dazzling,

2621
02:06:20,040 --> 02:06:22,240
Speaker 7: Darren Barker. There you go, Brian. I mean.

2622
02:06:23,760 --> 02:06:25,280
Speaker 3: You gotta put Manny in that too. And you know

2623
02:06:25,360 --> 02:06:26,600
Speaker 3: I love Darren bar but.

2624
02:06:26,720 --> 02:06:29,080
Speaker 7: But I mean, Nanny we wasn't always a gentleman.

2625
02:06:29,240 --> 02:06:29,400
Speaker 4: You know.

2626
02:06:29,520 --> 02:06:31,520
Speaker 3: That's a good point. That's a good point. Yeah, yeah.

2627
02:06:32,880 --> 02:06:34,520
Speaker 3: I mean it's hard because a lot of times you

2628
02:06:34,640 --> 02:06:38,520
Speaker 3: get guys that are naturally edgy because it's the fight game, right,

2629
02:06:38,680 --> 02:06:41,040
Speaker 3: But you know, I mean, but it's I guess there's

2630
02:06:41,080 --> 02:06:44,080
Speaker 3: a difference between if you press their buttons, they'll come

2631
02:06:44,120 --> 02:06:46,200
Speaker 3: after you, and they can still be class the individuals.

2632
02:06:47,680 --> 02:06:49,680
Speaker 3: I'm like, you know, Daniel Cormier to me, and Mma

2633
02:06:49,800 --> 02:06:51,600
Speaker 3: comes across on the top five of that. It's just

2634
02:06:51,680 --> 02:06:54,440
Speaker 3: a classy individual guy that I like a lot in

2635
02:06:54,560 --> 02:06:58,440
Speaker 3: that regard. I mean, maybe boxing, as Angel Garcia also

2636
02:06:58,520 --> 02:07:02,560
Speaker 3: famously said, it's a sport, maybe there aren't glassy individuals at.

2637
02:07:02,440 --> 02:07:04,200
Speaker 7: The end, there are lots of great guys.

2638
02:07:04,320 --> 02:07:06,600
Speaker 3: I mean, Evander Holyfield was always to me.

2639
02:07:06,840 --> 02:07:10,320
Speaker 7: I mean, Rodriguez is one of the you're you're you

2640
02:07:10,400 --> 02:07:12,400
Speaker 7: were on the call with Abner Marez. I mean he

2641
02:07:12,560 --> 02:07:16,720
Speaker 7: is another one called everyone every I mean Leo Santa Cruz.

2642
02:07:16,760 --> 02:07:19,560
Speaker 7: I mean, I'm sorry, I'm here. Well that fiery fighters,

2643
02:07:19,600 --> 02:07:23,600
Speaker 7: but they're all they're all fighters who have been gracious

2644
02:07:23,640 --> 02:07:26,800
Speaker 7: and generous to it from from you know, the homeless

2645
02:07:26,960 --> 02:07:30,880
Speaker 7: Man's BC RAF Bartholomew to the actual BC to all

2646
02:07:30,960 --> 02:07:33,280
Speaker 7: the you know, like they treat us all well, they

2647
02:07:33,320 --> 02:07:36,080
Speaker 7: treat they treat their fans great. They're they're just they

2648
02:07:36,120 --> 02:07:37,120
Speaker 7: are true class acts.

2649
02:07:37,520 --> 02:07:40,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll put Peter Quillen in there. I love that guy,

2650
02:07:40,280 --> 02:07:42,520
Speaker 3: Caleb Plan. You know, there's been a few of those guys.

2651
02:07:42,520 --> 02:07:44,800
Speaker 3: When you meet them and really talk to them outside

2652
02:07:44,840 --> 02:07:48,160
Speaker 3: of the game, you can really call no, no, no, no,

2653
02:07:48,480 --> 02:07:51,400
Speaker 3: how dare you? But but Dustin and Max definitely fit

2654
02:07:51,480 --> 02:07:53,840
Speaker 3: that bill. That's why it was Babyface versus baby Face.

2655
02:07:53,880 --> 02:07:56,400
Speaker 3: It was great Number two from Flannels and JITs. Where

2656
02:07:56,440 --> 02:07:58,560
Speaker 3: does Dustin Pourier rankum on the best fighters to never

2657
02:07:58,640 --> 02:08:01,040
Speaker 3: win a title? Is he a first ballot Hall of Famer?

2658
02:08:01,200 --> 02:08:03,680
Speaker 3: So the latter, of course he's the first ballot Hall

2659
02:08:03,680 --> 02:08:06,400
Speaker 3: of Famer. He would be under in my opinion, if

2660
02:08:06,480 --> 02:08:11,640
Speaker 3: they had stringent Hall of Fame credential, you know, stipulations there,

2661
02:08:11,720 --> 02:08:13,520
Speaker 3: like a like a Baseball Hall of Fame. I think

2662
02:08:13,560 --> 02:08:16,000
Speaker 3: he'd still be that And you know, to me, I

2663
02:08:16,040 --> 02:08:18,120
Speaker 3: think he's number two behind Dan Henderson of the guys

2664
02:08:18,160 --> 02:08:21,080
Speaker 3: that never won a undisputed UFC title but did fight

2665
02:08:21,200 --> 02:08:23,960
Speaker 3: in the UFC. And we talked about that earlier with

2666
02:08:24,000 --> 02:08:27,040
Speaker 3: Brett what his resume ultimately means. But yeah, he'll be

2667
02:08:27,080 --> 02:08:28,960
Speaker 3: a first ballot in there because he's so beloved and

2668
02:08:29,040 --> 02:08:31,600
Speaker 3: he's a great UFC company man outside of just being

2669
02:08:31,640 --> 02:08:34,400
Speaker 3: a great dude. But he would get in there anyway.

2670
02:08:34,840 --> 02:08:37,920
Speaker 3: It was just an insanely great talent. But sometimes you

2671
02:08:38,120 --> 02:08:40,960
Speaker 3: do get those individuals where maybe they don't get all

2672
02:08:41,040 --> 02:08:43,920
Speaker 3: that way to the top, but what they left behind. Man,

2673
02:08:44,240 --> 02:08:46,520
Speaker 3: it's harder in boxing rape because there's titles going out

2674
02:08:46,520 --> 02:08:48,640
Speaker 3: of style. I mean, Adrian Broner is going to be

2675
02:08:48,680 --> 02:08:50,600
Speaker 3: able to say he's a four division champion. I mean,

2676
02:08:50,640 --> 02:08:54,160
Speaker 3: it's a true fact. It's hard less titles than the UFC.

2677
02:08:54,360 --> 02:08:59,320
Speaker 3: Let's hear from von Beckel, what is your guys? Criteria

2678
02:08:59,440 --> 02:09:02,720
Speaker 3: for the Hall of Fame? Boxing is a little more

2679
02:09:02,840 --> 02:09:06,040
Speaker 3: stringent than the UFC's sort of ceremonial Hall of Fame,

2680
02:09:06,480 --> 02:09:10,640
Speaker 3: but yet they also let in Arturo Gatti, Mike Tyson, Riddick,

2681
02:09:10,680 --> 02:09:12,720
Speaker 3: bow people that you would think actually might have a

2682
02:09:12,800 --> 02:09:15,440
Speaker 3: case for Sergio Martinez, who I one of my favorite

2683
02:09:15,480 --> 02:09:17,640
Speaker 3: fighters of all time. But I even think he with

2684
02:09:17,760 --> 02:09:20,840
Speaker 3: that short elite window, there should be a line in

2685
02:09:20,920 --> 02:09:24,720
Speaker 3: the sand for you, Rafe, what what should be the

2686
02:09:24,800 --> 02:09:26,800
Speaker 3: criteria of what would get you into let's say the

2687
02:09:26,840 --> 02:09:27,680
Speaker 3: boxing Hall of Fame.

2688
02:09:28,920 --> 02:09:32,000
Speaker 7: I think the big the number one criteria is like

2689
02:09:32,320 --> 02:09:35,560
Speaker 7: you were getting at with the the you know, we're

2690
02:09:35,640 --> 02:09:37,640
Speaker 7: we're team Sergio here, we're Mara Villa.

2691
02:09:37,720 --> 02:09:37,960
Speaker 5: Guys.

2692
02:09:37,960 --> 02:09:41,400
Speaker 7: All right, we can't be on him. Yes, you have

2693
02:09:41,520 --> 02:09:43,440
Speaker 7: to eat the knee was not responding in that fight.

2694
02:09:43,560 --> 02:09:47,000
Speaker 7: We all know this, Brian, but you're right about that.

2695
02:09:47,120 --> 02:09:49,240
Speaker 7: He just you look at the resume like this might

2696
02:09:49,320 --> 02:09:51,720
Speaker 7: not actually be a Hall of Fame resume. So I

2697
02:09:51,800 --> 02:09:56,440
Speaker 7: think greatness over time is the number one criteria. After that,

2698
02:09:57,040 --> 02:09:59,600
Speaker 7: there are I could there's a little bit of room

2699
02:09:59,720 --> 02:10:04,000
Speaker 7: still for just an incredible peak, but it has to

2700
02:10:04,120 --> 02:10:08,600
Speaker 7: be outstand like you like a peak that was so

2701
02:10:08,800 --> 02:10:13,600
Speaker 7: white hot, so like historic that like for those two

2702
02:10:13,720 --> 02:10:15,960
Speaker 7: years he might have been the best fighter I've ever

2703
02:10:16,040 --> 02:10:18,520
Speaker 7: seen type peak, which you know there aren't too many

2704
02:10:18,600 --> 02:10:20,480
Speaker 7: fighters who reach you get that high and.

2705
02:10:22,320 --> 02:10:23,840
Speaker 3: Well there's a lot of fighters that will get high,

2706
02:10:23,880 --> 02:10:25,839
Speaker 3: but not maybe not that higher. You have you froze

2707
02:10:25,840 --> 02:10:28,240
Speaker 3: out here, Walt Disney style, raf do we still have you?

2708
02:10:28,520 --> 02:10:31,400
Speaker 3: Tell me? Can you hear me? My friend? Can you

2709
02:10:31,560 --> 02:10:35,120
Speaker 3: hear me? We'll try to get him unfrozen as we

2710
02:10:35,240 --> 02:10:37,400
Speaker 3: continue on down the line. But I think what he's

2711
02:10:37,440 --> 02:10:41,200
Speaker 3: trying to say is you gotta value accomplishments above all else.

2712
02:10:41,320 --> 02:10:44,920
Speaker 3: Longevity certainly helps, because longevity will mean that you were

2713
02:10:44,960 --> 02:10:47,520
Speaker 3: on top for a long time, and thus the accomplishments

2714
02:10:47,560 --> 02:10:49,920
Speaker 3: will be bigger. But like he said, and I think

2715
02:10:49,920 --> 02:10:52,160
Speaker 3: it's the same thing in any team sport, you have

2716
02:10:52,280 --> 02:10:54,000
Speaker 3: to have to all you can just be a compiler.

2717
02:10:54,200 --> 02:10:56,440
Speaker 3: There has to be a certain stretch where you were

2718
02:10:56,520 --> 02:10:59,920
Speaker 3: considered among the best in the game and MVP can

2719
02:11:00,200 --> 02:11:02,320
Speaker 3: of it, or a champion in the face of a

2720
02:11:02,440 --> 02:11:07,720
Speaker 3: division that also helps the marketability side, the pay per view,

2721
02:11:07,760 --> 02:11:12,400
Speaker 3: commercial selling side, grabbing people's heart side, that doesn't matter.

2722
02:11:12,800 --> 02:11:15,640
Speaker 3: And for someone like Arturogatti, who was a world champion

2723
02:11:15,760 --> 02:11:21,040
Speaker 3: as well, it was borderline, but no one really aggressively

2724
02:11:21,160 --> 02:11:24,040
Speaker 3: argued against it, because if somebody should get in under

2725
02:11:24,120 --> 02:11:26,600
Speaker 3: that silo in that way of thinking, it should have

2726
02:11:26,640 --> 02:11:30,640
Speaker 3: been a Goatti, but whey they're talking about WW and

2727
02:11:30,720 --> 02:11:33,600
Speaker 3: UFC particularly, there's like no standards. It's just like who

2728
02:11:33,640 --> 02:11:36,960
Speaker 3: we put into this year? Oh everybody, whatever, We got

2729
02:11:37,040 --> 02:11:38,800
Speaker 3: one more for you from the people. And this one's

2730
02:11:38,840 --> 02:11:44,120
Speaker 3: from Nick Nick whu underscore Makronuk. Where do you rank

2731
02:11:44,280 --> 02:11:46,840
Speaker 3: Usik among the all time heavyweights and the all time

2732
02:11:46,920 --> 02:11:51,440
Speaker 3: boxers overall? Such a hard thing to do, especially because

2733
02:11:51,840 --> 02:11:55,760
Speaker 3: boxing history going back so far to the early nineteen hundreds,

2734
02:11:55,800 --> 02:12:00,800
Speaker 3: and unlike a lot of other sports, it's aged less

2735
02:12:00,880 --> 02:12:04,120
Speaker 3: gracefully from the idea that like, it's really hard to

2736
02:12:04,200 --> 02:12:07,240
Speaker 3: compare George Mike into Shaquille O'Neil right in that regard,

2737
02:12:07,360 --> 02:12:10,640
Speaker 3: Just the eras were so far apart in the competition level,

2738
02:12:10,680 --> 02:12:12,960
Speaker 3: and even you know, you can say even Babe Ruth

2739
02:12:13,080 --> 02:12:20,240
Speaker 3: to Barry Bonds, you know, pre Jackie Robinson in breaking

2740
02:12:20,280 --> 02:12:24,680
Speaker 3: the segregation in baseball. Boxing is a little more wide

2741
02:12:24,720 --> 02:12:27,480
Speaker 3: open because in some cases, outside of the size and

2742
02:12:27,560 --> 02:12:30,680
Speaker 3: athleticism we see today, a lot of the champions from

2743
02:12:30,840 --> 02:12:34,920
Speaker 3: many decades ago were actually better because of just what

2744
02:12:35,080 --> 02:12:37,280
Speaker 3: it was then. You're fighting almost every weekend, You've got

2745
02:12:37,280 --> 02:12:39,520
Speaker 3: one hundred to two hundred fights. There's a boxing gym

2746
02:12:39,720 --> 02:12:42,440
Speaker 3: on every corner. Boxing was at such a different place

2747
02:12:42,520 --> 02:12:45,640
Speaker 3: in the public consciousness, and you know as a king

2748
02:12:45,800 --> 02:12:49,040
Speaker 3: sport in the forties and fifties with baseball and horse racing,

2749
02:12:49,800 --> 02:12:52,800
Speaker 3: that it's preserved a certain thing where I still think

2750
02:12:52,880 --> 02:12:54,680
Speaker 3: Joe Lewis is the greatest who Wight of all time.

2751
02:12:54,880 --> 02:12:58,080
Speaker 3: Muhammad Al lead number two. Can't Usik Kraft, you know,

2752
02:12:58,240 --> 02:13:01,200
Speaker 3: fall into that top ten. It's subjective and you got

2753
02:13:01,320 --> 02:13:03,520
Speaker 3: to you gotta make your top ten first, and then

2754
02:13:03,560 --> 02:13:04,880
Speaker 3: you got to make the list of the guys on

2755
02:13:04,920 --> 02:13:06,800
Speaker 3: the outside looking in, and you really have to look

2756
02:13:06,880 --> 02:13:09,360
Speaker 3: at it. One thing, as I mentioned earlier, that helps

2757
02:13:09,560 --> 02:13:12,480
Speaker 3: Usk in this idea is that he's undefeated, that he

2758
02:13:12,520 --> 02:13:14,840
Speaker 3: has a separate legacy at cruiserweight. I don't think that

2759
02:13:14,960 --> 02:13:17,920
Speaker 3: goes against the fact that he only has eight heavyweight fights,

2760
02:13:17,960 --> 02:13:20,000
Speaker 3: because look what he's done in eight heavyweight fights. I

2761
02:13:20,040 --> 02:13:22,320
Speaker 3: think in some ways that that spices it up a

2762
02:13:22,360 --> 02:13:24,840
Speaker 3: little bit more. But I think the fact that he

2763
02:13:24,960 --> 02:13:27,320
Speaker 3: could compete in any era, that he has that game

2764
02:13:27,440 --> 02:13:29,640
Speaker 3: that you know, it's not like Rocky Marciano where you're

2765
02:13:29,680 --> 02:13:33,160
Speaker 3: like great for his era, retired undefeated, not in a

2766
02:13:33,240 --> 02:13:35,480
Speaker 3: great era an era where you can be five to

2767
02:13:35,520 --> 02:13:38,400
Speaker 3: eleven and one five as heavyweight, right, like a different

2768
02:13:38,520 --> 02:13:42,360
Speaker 3: than the super heavyweights today. The fact that Usik has

2769
02:13:42,440 --> 02:13:45,800
Speaker 3: swam above water against the super heavyweights of today really

2770
02:13:45,880 --> 02:13:48,360
Speaker 3: would give him a shot that I don't think it's

2771
02:13:48,520 --> 02:13:52,280
Speaker 3: crazy to wonder if he's in consideration now for top ten.

2772
02:13:52,360 --> 02:13:54,480
Speaker 3: But it's harder to crack it than people realize. And

2773
02:13:54,520 --> 02:13:56,560
Speaker 3: I do like the tweets from E. J. Smith in

2774
02:13:56,600 --> 02:13:58,400
Speaker 3: the last twenty four to forty eight hours that really

2775
02:13:58,880 --> 02:14:02,680
Speaker 3: is like, yes, let's get give him, let's give him that,

2776
02:14:03,440 --> 02:14:06,760
Speaker 3: let's give him that that uh, that respect that he

2777
02:14:07,200 --> 02:14:09,720
Speaker 3: endures and and doo it. But you just can't say, oh,

2778
02:14:09,760 --> 02:14:12,120
Speaker 3: he probably beats Ali too, right. You just can't say,

2779
02:14:12,160 --> 02:14:14,000
Speaker 3: even like I said earlier, that he just you know,

2780
02:14:14,080 --> 02:14:16,400
Speaker 3: he beats Lennox Lewis. We don't know this. Lennox Lewis

2781
02:14:17,200 --> 02:14:19,240
Speaker 3: is the measuring stick that a lot of people use

2782
02:14:19,320 --> 02:14:22,040
Speaker 3: for the idea that let's literally put him in any

2783
02:14:22,160 --> 02:14:24,360
Speaker 3: arrow with that skill set against any heavyweight, and you're

2784
02:14:24,400 --> 02:14:26,560
Speaker 3: you're gonna you're gonna have a problem. He's gonna be

2785
02:14:26,600 --> 02:14:30,400
Speaker 3: in that discussion of maybe not accomplishments. You can rank

2786
02:14:30,480 --> 02:14:32,680
Speaker 3: him number one, although I think allnx Lewis has to

2787
02:14:32,680 --> 02:14:34,800
Speaker 3: be a top five heavyweight of all time. But it

2788
02:14:34,880 --> 02:14:36,440
Speaker 3: also goes to show how hard this is, and I

2789
02:14:36,440 --> 02:14:38,760
Speaker 3: think Vitali Klitsk goes also that wildcard. I'm not sure

2790
02:14:38,920 --> 02:14:41,280
Speaker 3: Usik beats him, but the fact that Usik through eight

2791
02:14:41,320 --> 02:14:44,080
Speaker 3: fights is even here in this conversation that we're talking

2792
02:14:44,120 --> 02:14:46,560
Speaker 3: about this. It is crazy. And then when you take

2793
02:14:46,760 --> 02:14:49,520
Speaker 3: his whole resume together and you say where could he

2794
02:14:49,760 --> 02:14:55,160
Speaker 3: fit in overall adding the accomplishments that cruiserweight, that's really

2795
02:14:55,240 --> 02:14:58,680
Speaker 3: hard because it is really hard to crack the just

2796
02:14:59,160 --> 02:15:01,360
Speaker 3: this is where the chain and rules hurts this era

2797
02:15:01,720 --> 02:15:03,640
Speaker 3: that back then there were less weight classes and for

2798
02:15:03,760 --> 02:15:06,680
Speaker 3: the most part, one champion per weight class. So you

2799
02:15:06,800 --> 02:15:09,600
Speaker 3: can have greatness in people that never touched the belt.

2800
02:15:09,840 --> 02:15:11,920
Speaker 3: That means a lot different than now when there's four

2801
02:15:12,000 --> 02:15:16,080
Speaker 3: recognized sanctioning your bodies in seventeen weight classes eighteen if

2802
02:15:16,080 --> 02:15:18,160
Speaker 3: you count bridge or weight and we know how many

2803
02:15:18,240 --> 02:15:20,800
Speaker 3: extra bootleg titles get created in there. So I can't

2804
02:15:20,800 --> 02:15:22,360
Speaker 3: give you an answer on there, but I can give

2805
02:15:22,400 --> 02:15:26,080
Speaker 3: you the answer that Usik has separated himself in this

2806
02:15:26,280 --> 02:15:29,680
Speaker 3: era from those around him through accomplishments and class and

2807
02:15:29,800 --> 02:15:33,840
Speaker 3: grace in ways. That's getting really alarming. Now he only

2808
02:15:33,880 --> 02:15:36,240
Speaker 3: has twenty four to twenty five pro fights, so you know,

2809
02:15:36,560 --> 02:15:38,800
Speaker 3: you can't put his resume above somebody like Pakiah who

2810
02:15:38,840 --> 02:15:42,360
Speaker 3: won titles in eight divisions. But he's certainly up there

2811
02:15:43,240 --> 02:15:47,240
Speaker 3: with the It's just it's a difficult science to put

2812
02:15:47,240 --> 02:15:49,920
Speaker 3: a number on, especially with the amount of weight classes.

2813
02:15:49,960 --> 02:15:54,040
Speaker 3: But good lord, do we have this man coming back

2814
02:15:54,080 --> 02:15:57,200
Speaker 3: to close the show? Or should we save this shit

2815
02:15:57,320 --> 02:15:58,840
Speaker 3: for later? What do you got here?

2816
02:15:58,840 --> 02:16:01,920
Speaker 5: He's not in here. He hasn't answered my text yet.

2817
02:16:02,080 --> 02:16:03,680
Speaker 3: It's well, now, look can the people hear you?

2818
02:16:04,320 --> 02:16:05,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, they can hear me.

2819
02:16:05,440 --> 02:16:07,960
Speaker 3: Okay, I don't know did he die? Did he lose

2820
02:16:08,000 --> 02:16:10,800
Speaker 3: the connection? Did the power go out? Is the is

2821
02:16:10,880 --> 02:16:12,520
Speaker 3: the Bronx burning? What's happening right now?

2822
02:16:12,720 --> 02:16:15,640
Speaker 6: So I know he wasn't using his phone as his

2823
02:16:15,880 --> 02:16:18,200
Speaker 6: camera because I did text him earlier and I saw

2824
02:16:18,320 --> 02:16:20,760
Speaker 6: him answer it on camera, So there's a chance his

2825
02:16:20,840 --> 02:16:22,600
Speaker 6: computer died. But I don't know why he wouldn't just

2826
02:16:22,640 --> 02:16:24,200
Speaker 6: answer and be like, yeah, yeah, I'm waiting for it

2827
02:16:24,320 --> 02:16:24,920
Speaker 6: to start up.

2828
02:16:24,960 --> 02:16:25,240
Speaker 5: I don't know.

2829
02:16:25,360 --> 02:16:26,640
Speaker 3: All right, Well, he did give us a lot of

2830
02:16:26,680 --> 02:16:29,800
Speaker 3: good stuff, and we are runneth over after a loaded weekend,

2831
02:16:29,880 --> 02:16:31,560
Speaker 3: so we can hold the shit to Friday.

2832
02:16:31,600 --> 02:16:34,360
Speaker 5: You down with him, Yeah, I think you need someone

2833
02:16:34,400 --> 02:16:35,360
Speaker 5: else here to react to it.

2834
02:16:35,480 --> 02:16:38,040
Speaker 3: So yeah, so we will run some of that shit

2835
02:16:38,200 --> 02:16:40,560
Speaker 3: on this Friday. I don't know who will be joining us,

2836
02:16:40,720 --> 02:16:44,160
Speaker 3: but uh it'll be our second wait wait, wait episode

2837
02:16:44,200 --> 02:16:47,600
Speaker 3: of the Luke Thomas Vacation. Unless this man is back

2838
02:16:47,760 --> 02:16:51,440
Speaker 3: in the building there. Oh shit, there he is there,

2839
02:16:51,480 --> 02:16:54,240
Speaker 3: he is Are you good? Can you hear me?

2840
02:16:54,920 --> 02:16:57,080
Speaker 7: Uh? Yeah, I had to pour a little bit of

2841
02:16:57,280 --> 02:16:59,879
Speaker 7: water on my balls to cool him down a little bit.

2842
02:17:00,080 --> 02:17:01,400
Speaker 7: I was getting a little overheated.

2843
02:17:01,840 --> 02:17:04,640
Speaker 3: All right, we've closed out the d ms from Donks.

2844
02:17:04,680 --> 02:17:07,800
Speaker 3: We've got one more segment. Is this your debut seeing

2845
02:17:07,959 --> 02:17:09,520
Speaker 3: seeing my ship? Or have you done this before?

2846
02:17:10,560 --> 02:17:13,360
Speaker 7: Are we talking about like in Las Vegas in the

2847
02:17:13,680 --> 02:17:16,320
Speaker 7: in a hotel bathroom all the way?

2848
02:17:16,400 --> 02:17:16,600
Speaker 12: Yes?

2849
02:17:16,680 --> 02:17:16,800
Speaker 4: Right?

2850
02:17:17,480 --> 02:17:20,200
Speaker 7: Or I mean I I I've seen you talk about

2851
02:17:20,360 --> 02:17:21,040
Speaker 7: your feces.

2852
02:17:21,320 --> 02:17:24,480
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, what I did yesterday in the airport by

2853
02:17:24,520 --> 02:17:27,920
Speaker 3: the way in uh in uh Chicago, was I scoured

2854
02:17:28,000 --> 02:17:29,840
Speaker 3: the in the Admirals Club lounge.

2855
02:17:29,600 --> 02:17:29,720
Speaker 4: You know.

2856
02:17:29,720 --> 02:17:31,800
Speaker 3: And I'll take that buffet downtown by the way, they

2857
02:17:31,840 --> 02:17:35,200
Speaker 3: think was to get like one beef epinata per small plate. Dude,

2858
02:17:35,200 --> 02:17:37,280
Speaker 3: I'll stack that ship all right. But what I put

2859
02:17:37,320 --> 02:17:40,160
Speaker 3: together was a recap of the good, the bad, and

2860
02:17:40,160 --> 02:17:41,960
Speaker 3: the ugly, the highs and lows and in between in

2861
02:17:42,040 --> 02:17:57,320
Speaker 3: combat sports and beyond Rafe, I call this BC's all right.

2862
02:17:57,440 --> 02:17:57,640
Speaker 7: Raf.

2863
02:17:57,720 --> 02:18:01,560
Speaker 3: The afore mentioned Dustin Poorier who retiresired on Saturday. First

2864
02:18:01,560 --> 02:18:04,879
Speaker 3: and foremost, you always surprised me for being a non

2865
02:18:05,400 --> 02:18:07,760
Speaker 3: fan of the skinheads there over there in mixed martial arts.

2866
02:18:08,120 --> 02:18:11,160
Speaker 3: You tend to know when someone's red hot. What has

2867
02:18:11,280 --> 02:18:15,200
Speaker 3: been your history of Dustin Poier, like knowing him or

2868
02:18:15,280 --> 02:18:16,360
Speaker 3: cheering for him or anything.

2869
02:18:17,240 --> 02:18:19,560
Speaker 7: He's a guy that I hear you talk about, Brian

2870
02:18:20,120 --> 02:18:25,040
Speaker 7: uh Now, somehow, somehow when yeah, he's not one of

2871
02:18:25,120 --> 02:18:28,360
Speaker 7: the MMA fighters who made it, makes it through like

2872
02:18:28,480 --> 02:18:32,560
Speaker 7: the Swiss cheese shield I have of just not paying

2873
02:18:32,600 --> 02:18:36,400
Speaker 7: attention to stuff. But nah, I look, I I hear

2874
02:18:36,760 --> 02:18:38,119
Speaker 7: he's a guy I know you talk about.

2875
02:18:38,360 --> 02:18:39,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a true patriot.

2876
02:18:40,080 --> 02:18:42,119
Speaker 7: But was he like a like a real American?

2877
02:18:42,680 --> 02:18:44,360
Speaker 3: No, he is, He's just not. He's just a great dude,

2878
02:18:44,400 --> 02:18:46,320
Speaker 3: it seems like, and uh so, shout out to him.

2879
02:18:46,360 --> 02:18:50,520
Speaker 3: But he sat down with podcaster Theo Vaughn talking about

2880
02:18:50,560 --> 02:18:52,800
Speaker 3: the intersection of knockouts and ejaculation.

2881
02:18:52,959 --> 02:18:55,240
Speaker 4: Let's listen, I've came and knocked people out, and I've

2882
02:18:55,320 --> 02:18:57,240
Speaker 4: not came and knocked people out too, So I don't

2883
02:18:57,280 --> 02:18:57,840
Speaker 4: really believe in that.

2884
02:18:58,080 --> 02:18:59,720
Speaker 1: Damn Damn.

2885
02:19:00,480 --> 02:19:02,560
Speaker 2: I wonder if I'd rather have a guy who's already

2886
02:19:02,640 --> 02:19:06,400
Speaker 2: recently ejaculated, Yeah, knock me out, or a guy that's

2887
02:19:06,480 --> 02:19:07,400
Speaker 2: full of knock me out.

2888
02:19:07,480 --> 02:19:07,640
Speaker 4: You know.

2889
02:19:08,360 --> 02:19:09,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess they're all different.

2890
02:19:10,120 --> 02:19:12,640
Speaker 3: I mean, women do make the legs weak, Mickey said.

2891
02:19:13,160 --> 02:19:15,320
Speaker 7: I mean, come from a boxing point of view. We

2892
02:19:15,480 --> 02:19:16,000
Speaker 7: know what's up.

2893
02:19:16,080 --> 02:19:16,800
Speaker 9: We know like this is.

2894
02:19:16,879 --> 02:19:19,600
Speaker 7: That's one of the old you can't you cannot. Yeah,

2895
02:19:19,640 --> 02:19:23,960
Speaker 7: you gotta hold all that strength inside. Get angry, get aggressive.

2896
02:19:24,400 --> 02:19:25,080
Speaker 7: Uh you know.

2897
02:19:26,760 --> 02:19:29,280
Speaker 3: All right. New Segment Alert brought to you by Mamita's here.

2898
02:19:29,800 --> 02:19:33,440
Speaker 3: I'm gonna show you three separate clips or pictures of

2899
02:19:33,600 --> 02:19:36,320
Speaker 3: modern combat sports stars, and you try to tell me

2900
02:19:36,440 --> 02:19:39,680
Speaker 3: after it's done, what drug are they taking. First up,

2901
02:19:39,800 --> 02:19:42,959
Speaker 3: here's UFC middleweight Paulo Costa at the press conference on Wednesday.

2902
02:19:43,520 --> 02:19:43,680
Speaker 7: Yeah.

2903
02:19:43,800 --> 02:19:45,440
Speaker 1: You guys know that about that, all right?

2904
02:19:45,560 --> 02:19:46,600
Speaker 7: Everybody knows about that.

2905
02:19:46,720 --> 02:19:47,160
Speaker 1: They'll have a.

2906
02:19:48,760 --> 02:19:52,720
Speaker 7: You know, mutua hate after this fight.

2907
02:19:52,760 --> 02:19:55,360
Speaker 15: I want to send a master for him, but you

2908
02:19:55,480 --> 02:19:59,000
Speaker 15: need to wait to watch. And uh because my focus

2909
02:19:59,080 --> 02:20:01,320
Speaker 15: a right now he's on this guy, so I need

2910
02:20:01,400 --> 02:20:03,480
Speaker 15: to focus on him. But of course I have a

2911
02:20:03,520 --> 02:20:06,840
Speaker 15: plane after dead and uh I have a finished be

2912
02:20:06,840 --> 02:20:11,360
Speaker 15: in his lit you know she might have and uh, yes,

2913
02:20:11,720 --> 02:20:12,600
Speaker 15: I'm gonna face him.

2914
02:20:16,600 --> 02:20:17,080
Speaker 4: I have not.

2915
02:20:17,480 --> 02:20:20,520
Speaker 7: Yeah, I have not seen Gerbardo on that much cocaine

2916
02:20:20,600 --> 02:20:24,439
Speaker 7: since the eighties. And uh the Rigo Suave video.

2917
02:20:24,680 --> 02:20:25,600
Speaker 1: Uh, what do we have?

2918
02:20:26,080 --> 02:20:30,400
Speaker 3: Survey says white lightning for number one? Okay, we didn't

2919
02:20:30,400 --> 02:20:32,400
Speaker 3: hear the buzzer. That's good. Let's go to number two.

2920
02:20:32,480 --> 02:20:36,039
Speaker 3: Here's Jake Paul ringside at Taylor Serrano three and watch

2921
02:20:36,160 --> 02:20:49,400
Speaker 3: what a lackey is passing him? Raf What what drugged

2922
02:20:49,600 --> 02:20:53,800
Speaker 3: did he take? Here? Here comes here comes still in

2923
02:20:53,879 --> 02:20:55,920
Speaker 3: the palm. There we go, there we go. I've done

2924
02:20:55,959 --> 02:21:01,080
Speaker 3: that move, I've done that move, all right? What is

2925
02:21:01,120 --> 02:21:01,360
Speaker 3: he on?

2926
02:21:01,760 --> 02:21:03,800
Speaker 7: I thought? I thought I thought he dropped it into

2927
02:21:03,840 --> 02:21:05,280
Speaker 7: the pizza and then took a bite.

2928
02:21:05,520 --> 02:21:07,400
Speaker 3: Oh then that could that could be some shrooms? Then

2929
02:21:07,440 --> 02:21:07,880
Speaker 3: you never know.

2930
02:21:08,000 --> 02:21:10,760
Speaker 7: I guess, right, My guess is adderall right? I mean

2931
02:21:10,840 --> 02:21:12,480
Speaker 7: you come by, get a little pill, you know, a

2932
02:21:12,480 --> 02:21:14,520
Speaker 7: little pick me up, and he's trying he needs to

2933
02:21:14,560 --> 02:21:17,080
Speaker 7: perform it. That's his generations drug. They're all on it.

2934
02:21:17,120 --> 02:21:17,560
Speaker 7: They've been on it.

2935
02:21:18,040 --> 02:21:20,360
Speaker 3: One of those like one hundred milligram edibles or something

2936
02:21:20,400 --> 02:21:24,080
Speaker 3: you ever know. All Right, finally, here is Connor McGregor

2937
02:21:24,240 --> 02:21:26,520
Speaker 3: pulling a Roy Jones impersonation.

2938
02:21:26,680 --> 02:21:26,840
Speaker 4: Here.

2939
02:21:27,160 --> 02:21:29,040
Speaker 3: What drug do you think? Did you see? You just

2940
02:21:29,120 --> 02:21:31,120
Speaker 3: hear the unit on that guy? I thought he was irish?

2941
02:21:31,200 --> 02:21:32,240
Speaker 3: What drug was this guy on?

2942
02:21:32,879 --> 02:21:33,080
Speaker 9: Oh?

2943
02:21:35,080 --> 02:21:37,600
Speaker 7: He might be he might be on the g h B,

2944
02:21:37,920 --> 02:21:39,680
Speaker 7: as they say out there, a little too much of

2945
02:21:39,720 --> 02:21:40,440
Speaker 7: that party drug.

2946
02:21:40,720 --> 02:21:43,920
Speaker 3: Man, I'm sorry the the what's the guy's name? That

2947
02:21:43,959 --> 02:21:47,039
Speaker 3: triple G bet that was on the the could travel Martin.

2948
02:21:47,040 --> 02:21:50,920
Speaker 7: Murray, Martin Murray. Yes, he drank, he blacked out on

2949
02:21:51,040 --> 02:21:53,960
Speaker 7: GHB and spent a whole week out street robin, as

2950
02:21:54,000 --> 02:21:54,680
Speaker 7: he likes to say.

2951
02:21:55,120 --> 02:21:57,000
Speaker 3: All right, Ray, here's our dunk of the week. Let's

2952
02:21:57,040 --> 02:21:58,800
Speaker 3: head down to the Chuck E Cheese.

2953
02:21:58,840 --> 02:21:58,960
Speaker 13: Here.

2954
02:21:59,000 --> 02:22:01,080
Speaker 3: Have you ever seen this before? Tell me please?

2955
02:22:04,959 --> 02:22:05,160
Speaker 9: Oh?

2956
02:22:05,480 --> 02:22:07,400
Speaker 3: Facial facial right there?

2957
02:22:08,720 --> 02:22:10,800
Speaker 7: That's that looks like I mean, that's that looks like

2958
02:22:10,920 --> 02:22:15,039
Speaker 7: the best time since uh since Slamball, the original slam Ball.

2959
02:22:15,640 --> 02:22:18,080
Speaker 3: When when Joe jellybrem Bryant used to be one of

2960
02:22:18,120 --> 02:22:20,959
Speaker 3: the coaches. But they never said Kobe's data. They never did.

2961
02:22:22,840 --> 02:22:24,720
Speaker 7: Joe, Kobe, I love your daddy.

2962
02:22:25,160 --> 02:22:27,360
Speaker 3: All right, Well have you seen this ship has long

2963
02:22:27,440 --> 02:22:29,960
Speaker 3: been a no judgment zone. Let's listen in on this couple.

2964
02:22:30,879 --> 02:22:33,200
Speaker 7: Okay, if I can travel to outer space, it would

2965
02:22:33,240 --> 02:22:36,080
Speaker 7: be planet Mars. Wow, that's awesome, but I think you

2966
02:22:36,120 --> 02:22:37,480
Speaker 7: should explore planet fitness.

2967
02:22:38,480 --> 02:22:44,520
Speaker 3: Oh okay, okay, sir. That it's uh that may have

2968
02:22:44,600 --> 02:22:46,720
Speaker 3: been a I. I may have gotten gotten God again.

2969
02:22:46,800 --> 02:22:48,160
Speaker 7: I think I think you might have got got It

2970
02:22:48,240 --> 02:22:49,000
Speaker 7: seemed like a me.

2971
02:22:49,560 --> 02:22:51,640
Speaker 3: I got to work with my friend in yours Hall

2972
02:22:51,640 --> 02:22:54,600
Speaker 3: of Fame trainer Joe Goosen on Saturday, and before the

2973
02:22:54,680 --> 02:22:57,520
Speaker 3: show started, we watched a live stream of his new

2974
02:22:57,640 --> 02:23:01,200
Speaker 3: heavyweight prospect Rafe. Are you aware of six foot seven,

2975
02:23:01,720 --> 02:23:07,160
Speaker 3: three hundred pound Armenian Gergan, the big gug Jovian Asen

2976
02:23:07,520 --> 02:23:10,240
Speaker 3: who knocked out this tattooed fellow Chris Thomas in one

2977
02:23:10,320 --> 02:23:11,039
Speaker 3: round on Saturday?

2978
02:23:11,760 --> 02:23:14,520
Speaker 7: Uh No, this is my first exposure, but it makes sense.

2979
02:23:14,600 --> 02:23:16,920
Speaker 7: You know he's out there in Burbank right next to Glendale.

2980
02:23:17,800 --> 02:23:21,360
Speaker 7: You know that's that that that is Armenian Capital, USA.

2981
02:23:22,400 --> 02:23:24,800
Speaker 7: And Yo, i'd see a little bit of the big

2982
02:23:24,879 --> 02:23:26,120
Speaker 7: gurgon the big gug why not?

2983
02:23:26,360 --> 02:23:29,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, dude, fat white heavyweights with with chest hair, come on,

2984
02:23:29,920 --> 02:23:32,240
Speaker 3: lots of body hair, bringing on nickel, I value have

2985
02:23:32,360 --> 02:23:33,680
Speaker 3: all over again, all.

2986
02:23:33,680 --> 02:23:36,640
Speaker 7: Right, inside game. The body hair makes you a really

2987
02:23:36,720 --> 02:23:39,199
Speaker 7: tough to deal with on the inside because the opponent

2988
02:23:39,320 --> 02:23:41,920
Speaker 7: is just disgusted the entire time. It's it's gets in

2989
02:23:42,040 --> 02:23:42,360
Speaker 7: the head.

2990
02:23:43,720 --> 02:23:46,040
Speaker 3: Raf. We know that you were born in New York,

2991
02:23:46,200 --> 02:23:48,280
Speaker 3: you spent a lot of time living in LA You've

2992
02:23:48,280 --> 02:23:50,280
Speaker 3: done some time in the Philippines. But you've been calling

2993
02:23:50,400 --> 02:23:53,840
Speaker 3: suburban Detroit home for some time now, would you say

2994
02:23:54,240 --> 02:23:54,760
Speaker 3: six years?

2995
02:23:54,800 --> 02:23:54,959
Speaker 12: Man?

2996
02:23:55,240 --> 02:23:56,680
Speaker 3: Do you have some pride for the city?

2997
02:23:57,560 --> 02:23:59,240
Speaker 7: Man, I'm living for the cite.

2998
02:23:59,440 --> 02:24:02,240
Speaker 3: Okay, a reputation. Let's listen in you do what.

2999
02:24:02,240 --> 02:24:02,960
Speaker 9: I'm mad about?

3000
02:24:03,040 --> 02:24:06,840
Speaker 13: I'm mad how about Detroit because in nineteen sixty that

3001
02:24:07,160 --> 02:24:11,200
Speaker 13: was the richest city in America, the richest, and now

3002
02:24:11,280 --> 02:24:14,680
Speaker 13: it is the poorest, and no other city anywhere in

3003
02:24:14,760 --> 02:24:17,240
Speaker 13: the world has collapsed that quickly.

3004
02:24:17,760 --> 02:24:18,760
Speaker 4: What about Hiroshima?

3005
02:24:21,920 --> 02:24:25,640
Speaker 7: I mean, you know, I'm glad that that bloke is

3006
02:24:25,959 --> 02:24:27,800
Speaker 7: repping for Detroit. He's putting it off for the d

3007
02:24:27,959 --> 02:24:30,680
Speaker 7: because he's like, look, what like, at least we're still here,

3008
02:24:30,840 --> 02:24:35,480
Speaker 7: you know, like we got some depopulation issues, but downtown

3009
02:24:35,600 --> 02:24:37,920
Speaker 7: is coming back a little bit. Uh we You know

3010
02:24:38,040 --> 02:24:41,640
Speaker 7: that the bankruptcy years were difficult, but Detroit's city on

3011
02:24:41,720 --> 02:24:43,840
Speaker 7: the rebound. Why don't you go ask here Eroshima?

3012
02:24:44,080 --> 02:24:46,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, please, why don't you ask Bob Seeger how

3013
02:24:46,280 --> 02:24:48,520
Speaker 3: it's going? All right there, Let's play a new game

3014
02:24:48,600 --> 02:24:52,040
Speaker 3: called tell me the exact point when you would have

3015
02:24:52,120 --> 02:24:54,280
Speaker 3: stopped this fight as a referee. All right, you're ready

3016
02:24:54,320 --> 02:24:56,840
Speaker 3: for this. Let's head into regional MMA from the weekend

3017
02:24:56,840 --> 02:24:59,920
Speaker 3: where you know anything can happen. Rafe, you're the refe

3018
02:25:00,080 --> 02:25:03,920
Speaker 3: free tell me when this fights you then, oh yeah,

3019
02:25:05,760 --> 02:25:09,880
Speaker 3: I'm ready. Okay there we go a little bit late,

3020
02:25:09,959 --> 02:25:11,280
Speaker 3: but we got him right.

3021
02:25:11,400 --> 02:25:14,600
Speaker 7: There was he as a as a as a more

3022
02:25:15,640 --> 02:25:18,600
Speaker 7: educated viewer, there was he was he out as soon

3023
02:25:18,640 --> 02:25:19,840
Speaker 7: as he hit the canvas there.

3024
02:25:20,120 --> 02:25:23,119
Speaker 3: And the back of the head hit. But but even

3025
02:25:23,160 --> 02:25:24,880
Speaker 3: if you gave him one more punch, Okay, but that

3026
02:25:25,040 --> 02:25:28,080
Speaker 3: was rough. Let's throw back here. Boxing Hall of Famer

3027
02:25:28,240 --> 02:25:31,120
Speaker 3: and former UFC champion Holly, Holme, tell me when you

3028
02:25:31,160 --> 02:25:33,320
Speaker 3: would have stopped this fight. That's home in the Green

3029
02:25:34,640 --> 02:25:35,160
Speaker 3: for the Blue.

3030
02:25:36,959 --> 02:25:41,440
Speaker 7: Oh boy, no, it's too early. Let's fight a fight. Yeah,

3031
02:25:41,520 --> 02:25:47,240
Speaker 7: go on, Champ, you don't want to go out like okay, Holly,

3032
02:25:47,959 --> 02:25:49,199
Speaker 7: that was hol.

3033
02:25:49,280 --> 02:25:52,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm surprised he didn't count. That is just wow.

3034
02:25:53,720 --> 02:25:54,400
Speaker 7: Oh wow.

3035
02:25:55,160 --> 02:25:57,040
Speaker 3: All right, let's go to our final fight. Tell me

3036
02:25:57,120 --> 02:25:58,480
Speaker 3: the point when you're stopping this one.

3037
02:26:04,720 --> 02:26:08,760
Speaker 7: It's oh, he's all right that Actually we could keep going.

3038
02:26:08,840 --> 02:26:16,160
Speaker 7: That person looked like maybeast.

3039
02:26:13,080 --> 02:26:15,080
Speaker 3: Tea bag over Abner Mars after Johnny.

3040
02:26:15,160 --> 02:26:17,400
Speaker 7: Give you a chance, give him a chance to beat

3041
02:26:17,440 --> 02:26:19,440
Speaker 7: the count. At least you know that person is moving.

3042
02:26:19,520 --> 02:26:21,480
Speaker 7: I would expect you to be out cold or dead.

3043
02:26:22,879 --> 02:26:24,480
Speaker 3: Let's go to the bumper sticker of the week. Can

3044
02:26:24,560 --> 02:26:25,680
Speaker 3: you please read this out loud?

3045
02:26:27,200 --> 02:26:27,360
Speaker 11: Uh?

3046
02:26:28,720 --> 02:26:31,160
Speaker 7: Honk if you have a fat cuccie?

3047
02:26:32,080 --> 02:26:36,039
Speaker 3: Right, yes, Hong Kong. Hey, remember that time Deontay Wilder

3048
02:26:36,120 --> 02:26:38,840
Speaker 3: lost to Tyson Fury and blamed it on his costume design.

3049
02:26:39,720 --> 02:26:41,840
Speaker 7: Yes, yeah, what's I got to do with fat coucies?

3050
02:26:44,959 --> 02:26:47,680
Speaker 3: Well, we caught up with that costume designer who ain't

3051
02:26:47,720 --> 02:26:48,359
Speaker 3: too happy.

3052
02:26:49,480 --> 02:26:53,160
Speaker 10: I did the clothing forty Wilder everybody said they were

3053
02:26:53,200 --> 02:26:57,080
Speaker 10: the best ringwalk outfits in boxing history.

3054
02:26:57,200 --> 02:27:00,400
Speaker 9: Basically, it was the biggest fight. He was the heavyweight champion,

3055
02:27:00,520 --> 02:27:00,879
Speaker 9: and hey.

3056
02:27:00,879 --> 02:27:03,720
Speaker 10: Fort Fury and made this beautiful outfit, like and he's

3057
02:27:03,760 --> 02:27:05,920
Speaker 10: in Caesar's palace, I'm in the locker room.

3058
02:27:06,240 --> 02:27:08,920
Speaker 9: We are friends. But there's something weird about him that day,

3059
02:27:08,920 --> 02:27:09,800
Speaker 9: and I'm like, what's going on?

3060
02:27:09,920 --> 02:27:12,240
Speaker 10: Like, Deiontay, I just made you a sixty five thousand

3061
02:27:12,280 --> 02:27:14,959
Speaker 10: dollars outfit, like you wanted something intimidating.

3062
02:27:15,240 --> 02:27:17,280
Speaker 9: I says, you better win this fight.

3063
02:27:17,520 --> 02:27:17,920
Speaker 5: You hear me.

3064
02:27:18,480 --> 02:27:20,080
Speaker 9: But he wasn't himself that day.

3065
02:27:20,240 --> 02:27:22,600
Speaker 10: I think the component got in his head because if

3066
02:27:22,600 --> 02:27:26,080
Speaker 10: you google this guy Fury, like Deonce's six foot seven,

3067
02:27:26,360 --> 02:27:27,680
Speaker 10: Fury's six foot nine.

3068
02:27:28,000 --> 02:27:32,200
Speaker 9: So anyway, he loses the fight and I'm mortified. I'm like,

3069
02:27:32,360 --> 02:27:34,640
Speaker 9: oh my god, he gets his ass kick like a

3070
02:27:34,920 --> 02:27:35,440
Speaker 9: rag doll.

3071
02:27:35,760 --> 02:27:36,080
Speaker 4: Okay.

3072
02:27:36,520 --> 02:27:39,680
Speaker 10: The next day the New York Times, Deiancey loses, but

3073
02:27:39,840 --> 02:27:43,720
Speaker 10: the outfit wins, right, and then it says Deancey loses

3074
02:27:43,920 --> 02:27:45,640
Speaker 10: because the outfit was too heavy.

3075
02:27:45,959 --> 02:27:47,360
Speaker 9: Oh he tore me under the bus.

3076
02:27:47,560 --> 02:27:47,800
Speaker 4: Girl.

3077
02:27:48,000 --> 02:27:49,320
Speaker 9: I was like, make it stop.

3078
02:27:49,680 --> 02:27:52,960
Speaker 10: I get so every time you get on the cusp

3079
02:27:53,120 --> 02:27:55,760
Speaker 10: of being like really famous, and I'm like, that's my

3080
02:27:55,920 --> 02:27:56,840
Speaker 10: ticket you get.

3081
02:27:57,959 --> 02:27:59,840
Speaker 3: Hey, it's good to see Vince Neil still work.

3082
02:28:01,240 --> 02:28:03,520
Speaker 7: You gotta you gotta get Vince on this show, Brian,

3083
02:28:03,600 --> 02:28:08,200
Speaker 7: I want more content from from that designer. I gotta say,

3084
02:28:08,720 --> 02:28:11,840
Speaker 7: we got to give the internet credit for for calling

3085
02:28:11,920 --> 02:28:15,039
Speaker 7: that right in the moment, all of the jokes when

3086
02:28:15,080 --> 02:28:18,760
Speaker 7: Deontay did his ringwalk in that crazy outfit, We're like, yo,

3087
02:28:19,120 --> 02:28:24,080
Speaker 7: what kind of s and m eyes wide shut dominatrix suit?

3088
02:28:24,200 --> 02:28:25,440
Speaker 7: Did Wilder get made for this?

3089
02:28:25,640 --> 02:28:25,680
Speaker 4: Like?

3090
02:28:25,720 --> 02:28:27,800
Speaker 7: Why is he? He looks like a like a twenty

3091
02:28:27,920 --> 02:28:32,440
Speaker 7: four carrot, you know, like yeah, like Stanley Kubrick movie it.

3092
02:28:33,080 --> 02:28:34,440
Speaker 7: We were right, that's what it was.

3093
02:28:34,959 --> 02:28:36,960
Speaker 3: That's what it was, exactly right there. That is wild

3094
02:28:37,280 --> 02:28:38,960
Speaker 3: Let's keep it going here. You and I had a

3095
02:28:39,480 --> 02:28:41,600
Speaker 3: We used to play a great snippet of a song

3096
02:28:41,680 --> 02:28:45,480
Speaker 3: by should we call him motown legend Marvin Cease who

3097
02:28:45,640 --> 02:28:49,280
Speaker 3: used to say, let me lick you up, let me

3098
02:28:49,360 --> 02:28:50,119
Speaker 3: lick you down.

3099
02:28:50,560 --> 02:28:52,240
Speaker 7: A legendary soul singer, Yes.

3100
02:28:52,320 --> 02:28:55,680
Speaker 3: Soul singer who regularly talked about smut in his lyrics.

3101
02:28:56,160 --> 02:28:58,760
Speaker 3: Have you ever heard of the great Miss Millie Jackson?

3102
02:28:58,840 --> 02:29:00,520
Speaker 7: By any chance, I'm familiar.

3103
02:29:01,200 --> 02:29:05,039
Speaker 3: Okay, get ready to meet Millie Jackson. If you don't

3104
02:29:05,680 --> 02:29:07,879
Speaker 3: feel it, feel it.

3105
02:29:12,040 --> 02:29:13,000
Speaker 4: All? Right? Is this?

3106
02:29:14,600 --> 02:29:18,400
Speaker 7: Whoa wow?

3107
02:29:20,520 --> 02:29:21,160
Speaker 13: Where is it?

3108
02:29:21,840 --> 02:29:22,040
Speaker 4: Oh?

3109
02:29:22,520 --> 02:29:23,160
Speaker 1: That's rough?

3110
02:29:23,959 --> 02:29:24,039
Speaker 4: Ye?

3111
02:29:26,360 --> 02:29:28,560
Speaker 1: Can you imagine writing this song and being like this

3112
02:29:28,680 --> 02:29:30,200
Speaker 1: is the show stop? But I'm gonna touch a bunch

3113
02:29:30,240 --> 02:29:31,480
Speaker 1: of old men's nuts?

3114
02:29:31,520 --> 02:29:32,360
Speaker 3: She said, he's hard.

3115
02:29:35,200 --> 02:29:36,040
Speaker 7: I know hand?

3116
02:29:38,040 --> 02:29:38,240
Speaker 10: Yes?

3117
02:29:39,440 --> 02:29:43,600
Speaker 1: Would you let would you going in the pants? The

3118
02:29:43,720 --> 02:29:47,680
Speaker 1: cities guys are pumped about this. Who is this?

3119
02:29:50,480 --> 02:29:50,760
Speaker 7: Okay?

3120
02:29:52,080 --> 02:29:52,920
Speaker 9: Who is this a singer?

3121
02:29:53,120 --> 02:29:53,720
Speaker 13: Mill Jackson?

3122
02:29:54,400 --> 02:29:56,879
Speaker 3: Millie Jackson, Milly Jackson?

3123
02:29:56,920 --> 02:29:59,360
Speaker 1: Does she have more songs about penis and ball?

3124
02:29:59,640 --> 02:30:04,160
Speaker 3: Most of her collection is about squeezing dicks.

3125
02:30:04,879 --> 02:30:08,400
Speaker 1: Give this woman, let's bring her back.

3126
02:30:09,720 --> 02:30:13,160
Speaker 3: Forget Gallagher. We got to sit front Millie Jackson. Right, wow?

3127
02:30:14,120 --> 02:30:17,080
Speaker 7: Uh you know I'm the first time in my life

3128
02:30:17,120 --> 02:30:21,640
Speaker 7: I will have plausible deniability when a woman's hand lands

3129
02:30:21,720 --> 02:30:25,800
Speaker 7: on my on my junk, I don't I loved?

3130
02:30:25,920 --> 02:30:26,560
Speaker 3: I like that juke?

3131
02:30:26,640 --> 02:30:29,640
Speaker 7: Do that juke joint music? Marvin CS? What what Millie

3132
02:30:29,720 --> 02:30:32,200
Speaker 7: Jackson is doing there? It's fun to listen to try

3133
02:30:32,280 --> 02:30:37,160
Speaker 7: out a performer, a contemporary guy named Pokey Bear, Like

3134
02:30:37,440 --> 02:30:37,879
Speaker 7: I thought.

3135
02:30:37,760 --> 02:30:40,760
Speaker 3: You were gonna give me some teddy pendergrass fields or something.

3136
02:30:40,720 --> 02:30:42,800
Speaker 7: That's different, that's a different different, slightly different.

3137
02:30:43,640 --> 02:30:46,000
Speaker 3: Take them on that. Yeah, I gotcha. Let's go to

3138
02:30:46,080 --> 02:30:49,080
Speaker 3: live TV, especially in South America. Anything can happen. Watch

3139
02:30:49,200 --> 02:30:52,160
Speaker 3: this exuberant fan on the bottom right right. If you're

3140
02:30:52,240 --> 02:30:53,519
Speaker 3: checking this material.

3141
02:30:53,200 --> 02:30:53,760
Speaker 5: Al.

3142
02:30:55,920 --> 02:30:59,280
Speaker 7: Oh my, right there, it's inappropriate to say the least.

3143
02:31:00,520 --> 02:31:03,880
Speaker 3: Let's check in on our good friend one time. Keith Thurman. Uh,

3144
02:31:03,959 --> 02:31:05,840
Speaker 3: he's got two call outs this week. I want you

3145
02:31:05,920 --> 02:31:07,440
Speaker 3: to react to each one and tell you if this

3146
02:31:07,520 --> 02:31:08,840
Speaker 3: is a good tell me if it's a good idea.

3147
02:31:09,200 --> 02:31:11,680
Speaker 5: Boots, did he want Timo?

3148
02:31:12,640 --> 02:31:18,360
Speaker 3: Boots doesn't want or teas? Hey Boots, what do you want?

3149
02:31:19,840 --> 02:31:19,920
Speaker 4: Yo?

3150
02:31:20,080 --> 02:31:20,480
Speaker 7: Put up?

3151
02:31:21,600 --> 02:31:22,960
Speaker 3: Champion? Hey Champ?

3152
02:31:24,320 --> 02:31:25,440
Speaker 7: Trump, Champ?

3153
02:31:26,560 --> 02:31:27,160
Speaker 1: Who do you want?

3154
02:31:27,480 --> 02:31:28,120
Speaker 3: You want champs?

3155
02:31:28,240 --> 02:31:28,920
Speaker 12: You want chumps.

3156
02:31:29,720 --> 02:31:32,120
Speaker 3: But someone told me the other day that.

3157
02:31:32,200 --> 02:31:34,120
Speaker 7: He was saying he wants to move up and get

3158
02:31:34,200 --> 02:31:35,200
Speaker 7: to tune ups.

3159
02:31:35,879 --> 02:31:40,240
Speaker 3: Undefeated champion getting tun ups? Did you pop.

3160
02:31:40,040 --> 02:31:43,280
Speaker 7: Your bicy attendant? Did you twist your ankle?

3161
02:31:43,360 --> 02:31:43,480
Speaker 4: Pro?

3162
02:31:44,280 --> 02:31:46,600
Speaker 7: What happened? Oh Man?

3163
02:31:46,680 --> 02:31:50,280
Speaker 3: Look Boots versus Thurman at fifty four? You in good idea?

3164
02:31:51,080 --> 02:31:51,200
Speaker 4: Uh?

3165
02:31:51,360 --> 02:31:55,000
Speaker 7: Yeah, not good idea for Thurman, but good idea? Why not?

3166
02:31:55,200 --> 02:31:57,440
Speaker 7: What bad idea? I know there's another one coming. But

3167
02:31:57,480 --> 02:32:01,280
Speaker 7: what's up with his eyebrows? Yeah, you're like super thick,

3168
02:32:01,360 --> 02:32:03,680
Speaker 7: and he's got like, I mean, they look like a

3169
02:32:03,760 --> 02:32:05,480
Speaker 7: certain historical figures mustache.

3170
02:32:06,000 --> 02:32:09,120
Speaker 3: Well okay, well, also his head is really thinning, as

3171
02:32:09,200 --> 02:32:10,760
Speaker 3: you'll see in this next video. If you don't like

3172
02:32:10,840 --> 02:32:14,400
Speaker 3: that matchup a boxing yeah, how about this one at

3173
02:32:14,440 --> 02:32:14,959
Speaker 3: fifty four?

3174
02:32:15,440 --> 02:32:17,640
Speaker 17: You want me to stop making you look bad. You

3175
02:32:17,720 --> 02:32:20,760
Speaker 17: want me to stop staying sacks. You want me to

3176
02:32:20,800 --> 02:32:23,080
Speaker 17: stop stating that's why, and that's why. You stop throwing

3177
02:32:23,120 --> 02:32:25,360
Speaker 17: punches when you fought, when you fought a real one.

3178
02:32:25,480 --> 02:32:28,200
Speaker 17: You stop throwing punches when you got dropped. When you

3179
02:32:28,360 --> 02:32:30,600
Speaker 17: got dropped, you don't get back in the fight. When

3180
02:32:30,680 --> 02:32:33,960
Speaker 17: Thurman gets dropped, he come back in the fight. Tell

3181
02:32:34,040 --> 02:32:36,119
Speaker 17: him what is ormy, dude?

3182
02:32:36,480 --> 02:32:37,160
Speaker 7: What is Orman?

3183
02:32:37,280 --> 02:32:37,480
Speaker 4: Dude?

3184
02:32:37,879 --> 02:32:46,280
Speaker 3: I've been dropped? I come back in the fight. Yes,

3185
02:32:46,400 --> 02:32:47,760
Speaker 3: by having that's one.

3186
02:32:48,600 --> 02:32:50,680
Speaker 17: Go ahead, go ahead, tell me how many times I've

3187
02:32:50,680 --> 02:32:51,640
Speaker 17: been dropped in my career?

3188
02:32:52,240 --> 02:32:52,680
Speaker 7: Count them?

3189
02:32:53,440 --> 02:32:53,880
Speaker 16: Count them?

3190
02:32:55,320 --> 02:32:58,800
Speaker 3: You want me to tell the people? Uh boots, Sorry,

3191
02:32:59,000 --> 02:33:03,400
Speaker 3: Keith Thurman versus fifty four idea, You already know that's

3192
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Speaker 3: the best, right, all right, let's let's carry let's keep

3193
02:33:07,800 --> 02:33:10,360
Speaker 3: it going here. Coldplay gave us a lot to love,

3194
02:33:10,640 --> 02:33:14,160
Speaker 3: from the breakup of the CEO and the hr lady

3195
02:33:14,640 --> 02:33:17,440
Speaker 3: to the many Twitter reactions. What are your thoughts on

3196
02:33:17,560 --> 02:33:20,480
Speaker 3: this one? All right?

3197
02:33:20,680 --> 02:33:21,040
Speaker 5: Okay?

3198
02:33:21,520 --> 02:33:26,879
Speaker 3: That is yeah, that's that's shameful. That is uh wow,

3199
02:33:27,400 --> 02:33:29,560
Speaker 3: what a wonderful, beautiful secret they kept.

3200
02:33:29,480 --> 02:33:32,920
Speaker 7: My my favorite one there, Brian. We didn't show it here,

3201
02:33:33,000 --> 02:33:38,600
Speaker 7: but I saw an image of Bill Cosby holding a

3202
02:33:38,680 --> 02:33:41,800
Speaker 7: woman who appeared to have fallen asleep in his lap

3203
02:33:42,200 --> 02:33:44,960
Speaker 7: in that same picture. That that one works for me.

3204
02:33:45,320 --> 02:33:46,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is that is something here.

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02:33:47,160 --> 02:33:47,520
Speaker 5: Let's go.

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02:33:47,760 --> 02:33:49,760
Speaker 3: I don't know, if you're a big like president guy,

3207
02:33:49,840 --> 02:33:51,640
Speaker 3: you can name him an order you rank them on

3208
02:33:51,720 --> 02:33:54,240
Speaker 3: there like all that. Well, let's hear this guy's take.

3209
02:33:54,640 --> 02:33:56,840
Speaker 7: Ranking every US president by how much I want to

3210
02:33:56,920 --> 02:33:58,240
Speaker 7: ride and a convertible with them.

3211
02:33:58,640 --> 02:33:59,520
Speaker 1: In last place, we have.

3212
02:33:59,560 --> 02:33:59,920
Speaker 7: John f.

3213
02:34:03,440 --> 02:34:07,600
Speaker 3: I mean, time for your worst T shirt of the week.

3214
02:34:07,720 --> 02:34:09,959
Speaker 3: I don't think you're getting through TSA with this your.

3215
02:34:09,879 --> 02:34:15,320
Speaker 7: Thoughts, I wouldn't be trying that. Well, yeah, that looks

3216
02:34:15,360 --> 02:34:17,959
Speaker 7: like he's in a US airport. That's a TSA shirt.

3217
02:34:18,040 --> 02:34:20,680
Speaker 7: I mean maybe some other places you could you could

3218
02:34:20,720 --> 02:34:22,400
Speaker 7: go through with that, but not not there.

3219
02:34:23,200 --> 02:34:23,480
Speaker 9: Ouch.

3220
02:34:23,959 --> 02:34:27,240
Speaker 3: Also, you know those regrettable family pictures that people resurface

3221
02:34:27,360 --> 02:34:29,920
Speaker 3: and it's like, why would you do that? Do I

3222
02:34:29,959 --> 02:34:30,560
Speaker 3: have the right one?

3223
02:34:30,600 --> 02:34:30,760
Speaker 7: There?

3224
02:34:30,800 --> 02:34:32,039
Speaker 3: You got the wrong one? All right?

3225
02:34:32,440 --> 02:34:34,000
Speaker 5: No, this is the right one there is?

3226
02:34:34,280 --> 02:34:34,440
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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02:34:34,600 --> 02:34:37,360
Speaker 3: Wow, Okay, that can't be real. That cannot be real.

3228
02:34:37,480 --> 02:34:39,080
Speaker 7: Right, it's probably real? Why not?

3229
02:34:39,800 --> 02:34:43,520
Speaker 3: Good lord? All right, it's Glizzy time. Would you eat this? Yes?

3230
02:34:43,640 --> 02:34:43,800
Speaker 4: Or no?

3231
02:34:44,040 --> 02:34:48,840
Speaker 3: Check it out? Glizios hot dogs cereal? Come on, don't

3232
02:34:48,879 --> 02:34:51,440
Speaker 3: try to act like you're not a hot dog eating

3233
02:34:51,520 --> 02:34:53,080
Speaker 3: degenerate as well? Coming up.

3234
02:34:53,280 --> 02:34:54,920
Speaker 7: I don't need to eat it with milk. I don't

3235
02:34:54,959 --> 02:34:57,280
Speaker 7: need to eat it in cheerial form. No, hell no?

3236
02:34:57,920 --> 02:35:00,320
Speaker 3: All right? How do you rate this tat from this

3237
02:35:00,480 --> 02:35:04,360
Speaker 3: next fella? I mean, the sign of the cross thing

3238
02:35:04,520 --> 02:35:07,160
Speaker 3: is a lot, but you know that is dedication? Right?

3239
02:35:07,240 --> 02:35:07,360
Speaker 4: Oh?

3240
02:35:07,440 --> 02:35:09,920
Speaker 7: He was a crossword man? Is that? Oh my no,

3241
02:35:10,160 --> 02:35:11,920
Speaker 7: that's that's about as bad as he gets.

3242
02:35:12,560 --> 02:35:12,959
Speaker 3: All right.

3243
02:35:13,200 --> 02:35:13,320
Speaker 4: Uh.

3244
02:35:13,959 --> 02:35:16,480
Speaker 3: Also, you know that you're a Detroit guy, so you

3245
02:35:16,560 --> 02:35:19,480
Speaker 3: have Detroit pizza. Have you ever had Chicago style dogs?

3246
02:35:20,240 --> 02:35:21,879
Speaker 7: Yeah? They're my favorite hot dogs.

3247
02:35:22,080 --> 02:35:22,959
Speaker 3: Yeah, check this out?

3248
02:35:23,080 --> 02:35:23,600
Speaker 5: Check this out?

3249
02:35:23,720 --> 02:35:25,800
Speaker 3: How do you want your hot dog Chicago style?

3250
02:35:26,560 --> 02:35:26,760
Speaker 4: Say?

3251
02:35:26,840 --> 02:35:27,080
Speaker 3: Less?

3252
02:35:31,400 --> 02:35:34,000
Speaker 7: You know that is I guess I walked right into

3253
02:35:34,040 --> 02:35:34,360
Speaker 7: that one.

3254
02:35:34,520 --> 02:35:37,440
Speaker 3: Okay, we got one more for you. This is your

3255
02:35:37,560 --> 02:35:40,520
Speaker 3: sucker punch of the week. Check out this homeless guy.

3256
02:35:42,920 --> 02:35:48,280
Speaker 3: Which is nice. They're giving him meals right, but you

3257
02:35:48,360 --> 02:35:50,000
Speaker 3: got to watch your back on those streets.

3258
02:35:51,000 --> 02:35:56,119
Speaker 7: Oh man, Oh yeah, that's real.

3259
02:35:56,760 --> 02:35:57,680
Speaker 3: That is just insulting.

3260
02:35:58,000 --> 02:36:02,240
Speaker 7: That is again, that's assault, brother, That is all right.

3261
02:36:02,280 --> 02:36:04,080
Speaker 3: That's all the shit we can handle for this week.

3262
02:36:04,120 --> 02:36:08,240
Speaker 3: What a loaded super episode. Thank you, Raith. You fought

3263
02:36:08,320 --> 02:36:12,160
Speaker 3: through some terrible production issues to give us what we

3264
02:36:12,280 --> 02:36:14,360
Speaker 3: needed in Luke Thomas's absence here.

3265
02:36:14,320 --> 02:36:16,959
Speaker 7: And Mike Keith Thurman, I get knocked down. I come back,

3266
02:36:17,080 --> 02:36:20,120
Speaker 7: Thurman comes back. Nothing close back, Raith comes back.

3267
02:36:20,720 --> 02:36:23,280
Speaker 3: I drank a whiskey drink. I drank a vode could drink.

3268
02:36:23,360 --> 02:36:23,760
Speaker 7: There you go.

3269
02:36:24,600 --> 02:36:27,720
Speaker 3: Indeed, we can find you at Raith Buggs on the

3270
02:36:27,879 --> 02:36:31,200
Speaker 3: Socials of course, and almost every week you and I

3271
02:36:31,400 --> 02:36:35,120
Speaker 3: on the Brian Campbell Experience getting our hands deep inside

3272
02:36:35,680 --> 02:36:38,600
Speaker 3: the box. Anything else you want to sell, maybe some

3273
02:36:38,760 --> 02:36:42,240
Speaker 3: of your New York Times bestselling books like two and

3274
02:36:42,320 --> 02:36:44,120
Speaker 3: two mcsurly's My Father and Me.

3275
02:36:44,680 --> 02:36:46,720
Speaker 7: Yes, well, thank you for mentioning that. That's the one

3276
02:36:46,800 --> 02:36:48,640
Speaker 7: I think that we need to point out right now,

3277
02:36:48,920 --> 02:36:51,360
Speaker 7: because yeah, my dad worked at the bar for forty

3278
02:36:51,400 --> 02:36:54,720
Speaker 7: eight years and just turn eighty, and that book is

3279
02:36:54,800 --> 02:36:58,160
Speaker 7: about his career working at the bar, me growing up there,

3280
02:36:58,440 --> 02:37:00,320
Speaker 7: and how to place works and if you've ever been there,

3281
02:37:00,360 --> 02:37:01,960
Speaker 7: I just want to read about New York's oldest bar.

3282
02:37:02,000 --> 02:37:02,600
Speaker 7: It's a fun one.

3283
02:37:03,200 --> 02:37:06,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, but don't wow nice, don't undersell it though. There's

3284
02:37:06,520 --> 02:37:09,520
Speaker 3: a lot of emotion and life in that book. It's

3285
02:37:09,680 --> 02:37:12,680
Speaker 3: it's very it's very well done, as is your your

3286
02:37:12,760 --> 02:37:15,920
Speaker 3: other one, Pacific Rims talking about your love for Filipino

3287
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Speaker 3: basketball and don't forget uh basketball A love diaries? Is

3288
02:37:20,920 --> 02:37:21,440
Speaker 3: that what it's called?

3289
02:37:21,840 --> 02:37:23,200
Speaker 7: A love story? Close enough?

3290
02:37:23,280 --> 02:37:23,440
Speaker 4: You know?

3291
02:37:24,000 --> 02:37:27,720
Speaker 3: Yeah? Sorry, what's that movie with Omar Ebs basketball?

3292
02:37:27,760 --> 02:37:27,880
Speaker 4: Oh?

3293
02:37:27,959 --> 02:37:29,600
Speaker 7: No, what a year? You're all over the place.

3294
02:37:30,760 --> 02:37:32,480
Speaker 3: Which one's that with the chick? Come on?

3295
02:37:32,920 --> 02:37:35,560
Speaker 7: It's a well love in basketball.

3296
02:37:35,120 --> 02:37:37,160
Speaker 3: Love in basketball. There we go, right there. I'm sure

3297
02:37:37,160 --> 02:37:38,000
Speaker 3: you wrote that book too.

3298
02:37:38,520 --> 02:37:38,640
Speaker 4: Uh.

3299
02:37:38,800 --> 02:37:41,360
Speaker 3: You can follow the show at the social handles below.

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Speaker 3: Those are the extended YouTube channels of us. Also check

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Speaker 3: out the main card minute with our own Luke Nocia

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Speaker 3: you any MK merch?

3314
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Speaker 7: I think I actually bought an MK I know I

3315
02:38:29,680 --> 02:38:31,760
Speaker 7: have one. I think I bought it or you sent

3316
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Speaker 7: it to me, but I'm pretty sure I bought it

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Speaker 7: because I like to support.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for the support. We need to get you

3319
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Speaker 3: one of these one of these fantastic punch out T shirts,

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Speaker 3: right amen? Yes, yeah, yeah, with the great uh little Man,

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Speaker 3: with Luke Thomas who says I read books, suck my balls,

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Speaker 3: Luke Thomas.

3323
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Speaker 7: There you go.

3324
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Speaker 3: Okay, that's it for Bretto Kimoto, who did a great

3325
02:38:52,520 --> 02:38:55,760
Speaker 3: job joining us breaking down the UFC three eighteen to

3326
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Speaker 3: raf Bartholomew one more time, Long Island, Luke, thank you

3327
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Speaker 3: for your patronage today on this long marathon episode. Can

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Speaker 3: we see your face.

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Speaker 5: Or no here? It is great show guys, thanks for

3330
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Speaker 5: joining Raef.

3331
02:39:09,480 --> 02:39:12,959
Speaker 3: For everyone here, including Raith Bugs, This is BC. Take

3332
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Speaker 3: care of yourselves. This show will be back on Friday.

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Speaker 3: Mystery guests coming. Who's it gonna be? Tune in to

3334
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Speaker 3: find out We're out of here