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Speaker 1: where life meets legal sports. Scandals usually have a limited lifespan.
Speaker 1: The news breaks, we all react, punishments common, then we
Speaker 1: move on. It can last a couple of days, maybe
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks, but normally there will be another
Speaker 1: scandal or big story that comes along and then we
Speaker 1: jump on that one. But Major League Baseball was probably
Speaker 1: hoping this Segin stealing scandal wouldn't last this long. Statements
Speaker 1: were made, They handed down suspensions. Current managers lost their
Speaker 1: jobs j hensch Alex Cora, Carlos Beltron, and now we
Speaker 1: moved to the next phase of the scandal. So right
Speaker 1: now unproven accusations that the Astros players use electronic buzzers
Speaker 1: to tip pitches. You might say these are just conspiracy
Speaker 1: theorists to random people on Twitter, but that's exactly who
Speaker 1: has been filling in the details from the start of this,
Speaker 1: if you think about it, and this hasn't been Major
Speaker 1: League Baseball. So now we wait to see what happens next.
Speaker 1: Be asterisk next to the Astro's championship seems to be
Speaker 1: growing larger by the day, and maybe maybe there's not
Speaker 1: much more to this and things will start to slow down.
Speaker 1: Right now, it feels like the sign stealing scandal still
Speaker 1: has plenty of legs. We're gonna talk to Tom Berducci
Speaker 1: about this because the whole buzzing letting you know what's
Speaker 1: a fastball and an off speed pitch? Did Josel Tuve
Speaker 1: getting wired up? Did some of the other players have
Speaker 1: wires on them? The Astros can't say, hey, come on,
Speaker 1: you can't think that we would do that if you
Speaker 1: did something as blatant as bang the drums slowly. Then
Speaker 1: I have to at least consider this. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you're gonna go, hey, we'll cheat there, but oh,
Speaker 1: we wouldn't do that. You don't get the benefit of
Speaker 1: the doubt. You lost that, I know, Josel. Tuove said,
Speaker 1: through his agent, Scott Borres, he vehemently denied this. I
Speaker 1: would assume that he would vehemently deny this. Now, he
Speaker 1: did benefit from cheating. If you're gonna be able to
Speaker 1: look from centerfield and get this, you know the signals,
Speaker 1: you're gonna know what a pitch is off speed, fastball,
Speaker 1: you benefited from it. And then there's the video that
Speaker 1: came out where he's saying, please don't rip my jersey
Speaker 1: after he hit the game winning home run off Roldis Chapman. Now,
Speaker 1: maybe it's just a coincidence. Maybe God, I hope not.
Speaker 1: I hope it's real because the players have got off
Speaker 1: Scott free on this And the reason why they have
Speaker 1: is the commissioner does not want to take on the
Speaker 1: players union. That's really what it comes down to. There's
Speaker 1: no managers union. He fired three guys. He waited till
Speaker 1: Carlos Beltron well, he didn't. Wait. But Carlos Beltron goes
Speaker 1: from being a player on the Astros to a manager
Speaker 1: with the Mets and retires undefeated as the manager of
Speaker 1: the New York Mets. Because you can punish him, the
Speaker 1: Mets chose to punish him. I don't know if Major
Speaker 1: League Baseball it felt like they had moved on. They
Speaker 1: weren't going to punish Carlos Beltron. But the players, the
Speaker 1: players are the ones who cheated. Yes, was it under
Speaker 1: the watchful eye or maybe not so watchful eye of
Speaker 1: the front office and the manager. But feels like there
Speaker 1: might be something to this. Yes, kind of sounds like
Speaker 1: like a future Jeopardy question, like this guy was the
Speaker 1: only manager to never win? Or lustry? Who is Carlos Beltron?
Speaker 1: Alex thank you USA Today had a column, and part
Speaker 1: of the column read in the wake of his firing,
Speaker 1: alleged relatives would be online sleuth. Aggrieved fans and players
Speaker 1: themselves let virtual torches and marched into the online Square
Speaker 1: of Grievances to tweet wild but highly unsubstantiated claims of
Speaker 1: further cheating by the Astros. Does Baseball have further specific
Speaker 1: details corroborated or not of the Astro's cheating, yet lacked
Speaker 1: either a preponderance of evidence or the stick for an
Speaker 1: ugly protracted fight against some of the game's biggest superstars,
Speaker 1: and the Astros on field, rivals and fans across the
Speaker 1: world put this behind them without a pound of flesh
Speaker 1: belonging to blue chip names like Bregman, Altoba Springer. It's
Speaker 1: quite possible that there's so many pissed off parties around
Speaker 1: the game that further details or at least some degree
Speaker 1: of specificity regarding the players did what emerge, and that
Speaker 1: might provide relief to the Astros themselves. Without it, they
Speaker 1: all might as well go up to the plate with
Speaker 1: a waste management receptacle around their waist, as that's how
Speaker 1: millions of people will remember them. Yeah, you can't say
Speaker 1: give us the benefit of the doubt in a situation
Speaker 1: like this, can't. Now. Is it a wild accusation, unfounded? Yes,
Speaker 1: But keep in mind. Do you remember that there was
Speaker 1: a guy who was on Twitter said John Boy was
Speaker 1: his handle, and he's the one that said I got
Speaker 1: video and you can hear the drum being banged during
Speaker 1: a game. Put it together for everybody, you know, he
Speaker 1: was the sleuth here. Easy to consume this. You see
Speaker 1: it in real time, you hear it in real time,
Speaker 1: and you go, oh my god, they did do that.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, but they only did it a little while.
Speaker 1: This always goes back to when somebody says, you know,
Speaker 1: I cheated, I used steroids, but you know I only
Speaker 1: got I only did it to get healthy and then
Speaker 1: I stopped. Oh okay, you know they helped you. And
Speaker 1: then now you started, you say, oh, I got a
Speaker 1: conscience here. This is just to get back to help
Speaker 1: my team. Okay, we only cheated for a little while,
Speaker 1: and then you stopped. Did you stop because somebody said stop?
Speaker 1: Apparently he didn't because your manager lost his job if
Speaker 1: he broke two monitors and you still managed to continue
Speaker 1: to teat. And now we're gonna go with it. But
Speaker 1: they wouldn't do buzzers. You don't get the benefit of
Speaker 1: the doubt here. But Baseball, I don't know if this
Speaker 1: commissioner gets to the point where it looks embarrassing if
Speaker 1: he doesn't take on these players in the players union.
Speaker 1: And that's a powerful union to take on, maybe the
Speaker 1: most powerful union in all the sports. But I can't
Speaker 1: keep you know, punishing these managers when the players were
Speaker 1: doing it as well, and they benefited from this as well.
Speaker 1: But we'll talk to Tom Bernucci about this. Does this
Speaker 1: get bigger? Yes, you know as odd yesterday afternoon, early afternoon,
Speaker 1: the buzzer story started swirling very hot on Twitter. But
Speaker 1: that's the first a lot of us had heard of it.
Speaker 1: By four or fifteen. Joel Sherman of MLB Network. MLB
Speaker 1: Network said MLB explored wearable devices during the investigation to
Speaker 1: astros but found no evidence to substantiate it. It's odd
Speaker 1: that they investigated that option of devices on your body
Speaker 1: a month ago and we're just finding out that they
Speaker 1: were looking into it. They put out the statement again,
Speaker 1: this gentleman works for MLB network, this reporter, he has
Speaker 1: a direct pipeline to MLB, and they jumped on the
Speaker 1: story and said, we already looked at the nothing to
Speaker 1: it within hours of it becoming a rumor. Well, I
Speaker 1: think that there were rumors already there and then it's
Speaker 1: surfaced and now you have to address it. I think
Speaker 1: that that's really what this came down to. This has
Speaker 1: sort of been there simmering for a little while for Duce.
Speaker 1: You'll know the timeline of you know, the possibility of
Speaker 1: the Astros doing this is McLevin ready with his Titans
Speaker 1: uniform or whatever he's wearing, paying off the bed. Let
Speaker 1: me see you. Wow, mclove that's great. It's like Harry
Speaker 1: Hamlin just walked in MS. It kind of looks like
Speaker 1: he's in Monty Python's Holy Grail. He looks like one
Speaker 1: of those guys. So mclovitt has a wig on and
Speaker 1: then he's in a Clash of the Titans. Outfit, Julie,
Speaker 1: we assess your outfit, mclovin. So I went a line
Speaker 1: and bought it outfit. I was supposed to be Haydes
Speaker 1: from the movie Class of the Titans Tighten, a well
Speaker 1: known movie from two thousand and ten, a remake of
Speaker 1: a seventies movie, but they didn't include the cool looking
Speaker 1: wig and beard. They just had the tunic and like
Speaker 1: the old school. So I had to take my wig
Speaker 1: from what I dressed up as a soccer player Felini.
Speaker 1: It's an Afro wig. So the whole thing is not working.
Speaker 1: But I'm supposed to be a Titan. Your hair looks
Speaker 1: like Dan Marino's when he was at Oh, that's pretty good.
Speaker 1: When he was in college. You have a damn Marino
Speaker 1: look just to your hair. I was kind of looking okay,
Speaker 1: not like a horse shack from Welcome Back Carter, Like, okay,
Speaker 1: I could say a little bit of that. But yeah,
Speaker 1: this was Remember when I dressed up as Felini for Halloween.
Speaker 1: Want So that's the only way we could find if
Speaker 1: if I had the right wig, this will look tighten
Speaker 1: like right now, it's I don't know, it's like a
Speaker 1: middle medieval nerd. It looks game Yeah, tighten your secondary
Speaker 1: figure in Game of Thrones. Well that's the time with Titan.
Speaker 1: What does the Titan look like? It's like a hoya.
Speaker 1: I mean, at the end of the day, we don't
Speaker 1: really know what air their mascots a squirrel. We were
Speaker 1: very confused by this. Hey, watch what you say about
Speaker 1: my Titans double or nothing? And you have to dress
Speaker 1: like this next? No, you know, because I picked the
Speaker 1: Chiefs to win the Super Bowl, so I can't go
Speaker 1: against the Chiefs even with my Titans. There is the
Speaker 1: point spread still around seven seven and a half. Yeah,
Speaker 1: green Bay's a seven and a half point underdog. I
Speaker 1: saw it come down to seven. Okay, but green Bay's
Speaker 1: good bad. They're long eyes to win the super Bowl,
Speaker 1: they're seven to want to win the Super Bowl. I
Speaker 1: feel like that'll take Chiefs one the favors favorites. I
Speaker 1: pleased to win the Super Bowl, I think right now.
Speaker 1: But if you're looking for that matchup, if we put
Speaker 1: that this out of the poll question, the matchup that
Speaker 1: you want to see in the Super Bowl, does anybody
Speaker 1: vote for anything other than Chiefs and the Packers? Aside
Speaker 1: from if you're a nine Yer fan or a Titan fan.
Speaker 1: Feels like you would say, I want to see Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers against Patrick Mahomes. What Andy Reid a former Was
Speaker 1: he a former assistant in Green Bay? Two? Yeah? Okay,
Speaker 1: first super Bowl match up? Are you gonna ready to
Speaker 1: get here? But that might be a downside though you'll
Speaker 1: hear about that. I'm okay, I don't all I'd want
Speaker 1: to do. Every time we go to the Super Bowl,
Speaker 1: people say, oh, you know, what are you? Who are
Speaker 1: you rooting for? You said, just a good game because
Speaker 1: we put so much time and effort. Last year wasn't
Speaker 1: a good game at all. Close but not a good game.
Speaker 1: You want you want the hype to build, but you
Speaker 1: wanted to live up to the hype and we spend
Speaker 1: all week there at the super Bowl, have great gafts,
Speaker 1: you talk about the game, and then you want the
Speaker 1: game to pay off. And there was a long stretch
Speaker 1: where the Super Bowl didn't pay off, where the games
Speaker 1: weren't good, they weren't competitive, and then we had a
Speaker 1: great run there, you know, beating the rams of Patriots
Speaker 1: with that win. It was it was a boring super Bowl.
Speaker 1: That's all I'm hoping for Kansas City. If Kansas City,
Speaker 1: green Bay great. I just want it where it's competitive,
Speaker 1: where it's fun, and I would I would imagine people
Speaker 1: would be okay if you said Kansas City and Green Bay.
Speaker 1: What other poll questions do you have Carlos Belti we
Speaker 1: debated yesterday, do you think he ever deserves to work
Speaker 1: as a manager again in baseball? Or and you could
Speaker 1: extend it as any player involved in the scandal deserved
Speaker 1: to be a manager down the road. Well, the only
Speaker 1: thing I would be concerned about here is you cheated once?
Speaker 1: Does that mean you learned your lesson and you wouldn't
Speaker 1: cheat again. Carlos Beltron was the one player who was
Speaker 1: singled out by the commissioner. Now he becomes a manager.
Speaker 1: What makes you think that he would go, oh, you
Speaker 1: know what I got by unscathed here and I'm going
Speaker 1: to be the manager of the Mets. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I am to give a lifetime band, which is what
Speaker 1: you're doing here. And you'll equake this to what Pete
Speaker 1: Rose did because you're giving him a lifetime ban. Is
Speaker 1: that fair? They were warned and that's really what it
Speaker 1: comes back to. They were warned and then they did
Speaker 1: it again. They may have made it better, but I mean,
Speaker 1: I would like for Carlos Beltron to get a chance
Speaker 1: to manage. Maybe he will, but it'll take a while
Speaker 1: before he does. I'm guessing. And you know a J.
Speaker 1: Hinch An Alex Score, those are proven managers. Those are
Speaker 1: world series winning managers here. Yeah mc clem, you know,
Speaker 1: I was thinking of one analogy. Greg Williams is back
Speaker 1: in the NFL. He even interim coach last year after
Speaker 1: at the bounty gate. He was but that's not cheating
Speaker 1: that that's just he put a bounty ount right, but
Speaker 1: he was. Isn't that kind of cheating or wasn't that
Speaker 1: considered cheating? What was that? Bounties have been around for
Speaker 1: a long long time. Well is it not to get
Speaker 1: him back for a year, but cheating to this degree.
Speaker 1: They're different sports too, so their approach to discipline or
Speaker 1: giving you a second chance, it feels like it's a
Speaker 1: little bit different with football with Greg Williams and he's
Speaker 1: a defensive coordinator and we're like nobody's talking about Greg
Speaker 1: Williams anymore as opposed to him being the head coach. Yeah, hey, Rod,
Speaker 1: he's had a redemption story. Yeah, but that's a whole
Speaker 1: campaign to get in the Hall of Fame. You know
Speaker 1: that that's that's that's something different that that's where you know,
Speaker 1: it feels like he's got a pr firm saying how
Speaker 1: do I get into the Hall of Fame? Yeah? You know.
Speaker 1: The one thing I don't know being talked about here
Speaker 1: is if you were one of the managers that got fired,
Speaker 1: wouldn't you be really angry that the players are receiving
Speaker 1: no punishment whatsoever, Players who are proven to have benefited
Speaker 1: from this, proven to have participated from this. If Carlos
Speaker 1: Beltran didn't apply for our manager job, he'd be off
Speaker 1: Scott free. He would get no punishment. Yeah, there's current
Speaker 1: players on the Astros who have benefited financially world serious money,
Speaker 1: world serious rings and they're not getting anything. And isn't
Speaker 1: that a dangerous precedent? Commissioner Manfred set because he's afraid
Speaker 1: of the players union. Yeah, because now I know I
Speaker 1: could come up if I'm a player, I can come
Speaker 1: up with a sign stealing program using technology and there
Speaker 1: will be no punishment because there was none before. You
Speaker 1: can't invent it the next time. Yeah. I just think
Speaker 1: the commissioner doesn't want this to be a prolonged kind
Speaker 1: of legal battle where it goes on for months, it
Speaker 1: goes into the season, and then what do you do
Speaker 1: and how do you punish them? And how much do
Speaker 1: you punish them? And if you do punish them, then
Speaker 1: of course it resurfaces. They should vacate the championship, the
Speaker 1: World Series. It's a mess. It is it's it's a
Speaker 1: mess for baseball. And I thought coming down hard on
Speaker 1: the Astros with the GM and the manager, okay, Baseball
Speaker 1: needed to do that. And then we branched out to
Speaker 1: Alex cor and the Red Sox came down hard on it.
Speaker 1: I don't know who else is going to be involved
Speaker 1: in this with the Red Sox like that. Investigations on
Speaker 1: going here and do we find out something more about
Speaker 1: the astros And it feels like we will. It's just
Speaker 1: a question of how much we're going to find out
Speaker 1: when we find out, and will the commissioner act upon it.
Speaker 1: But I would I would be holding those players accountable. Now,
Speaker 1: just just give the optics that you're going to hold
Speaker 1: them accountable. You might not be able to press charges,
Speaker 1: you might not be able to fight the union successfully,
Speaker 1: but I'd be calling some of those guys in and saying,
Speaker 1: you know what we need, we need to sit down
Speaker 1: and really just got And maybe they did. Maybe they
Speaker 1: talked to these players and maybe they got enough information
Speaker 1: that helped them, you know press, you know fire aj
Speaker 1: Hinch and the GM Lune. But and I want a mess.
Speaker 1: We'll talk to Berducci about this. I'm sure he loves
Speaker 1: talking about this. Verducci, he's like Tim Kirchin, Buster Olney.
Speaker 1: They loved to talk about the greatness of baseball, and
Speaker 1: there's so much to talk about. It's when you call
Speaker 1: him and you go, hey, can you talk about this scandal?
Speaker 1: Hey Tom, we were thinking about you. There's this scandal.
Speaker 1: Would you like to talk about it? Remember when I
Speaker 1: brought it up to Tom, and I think this might
Speaker 1: have been when it first surface, maybe three weeks ago.
Speaker 1: We had him on and I said, you really believe A. J.
Speaker 1: Hinch did not know what was going on? And look,
Speaker 1: we like AJ Hinch, But I said, you can't sit
Speaker 1: here and tell me that he did not know what
Speaker 1: was going on when somebody's banging a garbage dumb stir
Speaker 1: in the back and you're the manager and it's banging
Speaker 1: in your ear too. Everybody loved Lance Armstrong and then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden they go, no, we're gonna turn
Speaker 1: on him here, man. But Tom didn't think that aj
Speaker 1: was involved in this. I'm gonna guess that he was
Speaker 1: still aware of what was going on. So we'll talk
Speaker 1: to Tom nineteen after the hour, we'll settle on a
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Speaker 1: now a Hall of Famer, Tom Berducci joining us in
Speaker 1: the program. Good morning Tom, Good morning, hall of Famer.
Speaker 1: Thank you to the rumor yourself that you started starting
Speaker 1: your checks with an h F. No, actually I signed famer.
Speaker 1: I don't do ho F. It's just a famer. Yes,
Speaker 1: all right, well deserved. Thank you, Tom, and you too.
Speaker 1: If I told you a month ago this is where
Speaker 1: we would be with the Astros, you would have said,
Speaker 1: what No way. I didn't see first of all, the
Speaker 1: harshness of the penalties or the fallout coming, but once
Speaker 1: I read the commissioner's nine paid statement concluding the investigation.
Speaker 1: Then got it. In other words, I thought that was
Speaker 1: so transparent. I thought they did a very good job
Speaker 1: laying out exactly what happened with the Astros. Then I
Speaker 1: understood there's a lot of things I did not know before.
Speaker 1: For instance, that they had stolen signs throughout the twenty
Speaker 1: seventeen postseason, the fact that Alex Cora was such an
Speaker 1: integral part of that. These are the things we didn't know,
Speaker 1: so I wasn't expecting as much as we got. All Right,
Speaker 1: there's a couple of things. There's a few directions to
Speaker 1: go in. But let me start with Mike Fires, who
Speaker 1: was with the Astros now with the Oakland A's, and
Speaker 1: I think he might have told some of his new
Speaker 1: teammates this is what the Astros did, and then he
Speaker 1: told Kenny Rosenthal, and then all of a sudden it
Speaker 1: went public here. But if Fires doesn't say this, does anybody?
Speaker 1: Is anybody disciplined? Will we find out anything that went
Speaker 1: on with the Astros in that postseason run? I think eventually,
Speaker 1: Dan I think it sounded like the athletic and I
Speaker 1: don't want to speak for them, was on the story
Speaker 1: in pursuing it. Getting fire on the record a member
Speaker 1: of that team obviously clinched the deal. They also had
Speaker 1: talked with Denny Farquhar as well, the White Sox pitcher.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think eventually this was going to come out.
Speaker 1: You know, there's just there's so much movement Masic League
Speaker 1: Baseball now. I think actually seventeen to the players on
Speaker 1: that seventeen Astro's team are with other organizations or retired now,
Speaker 1: So I think eventually this thing was going to come out.
Speaker 1: But obviously an active player on that team admitting that
Speaker 1: that's what they were doing, Yeah, that was powerful. Why
Speaker 1: didn't the commissioner go after the players. Well, you have
Speaker 1: to go back to his memo September fifteen, twenty seventeen,
Speaker 1: when he first this was after the Apple Watch incident
Speaker 1: with the Red Sox and Yankees, where I think he
Speaker 1: first woke up to the fact that people were using
Speaker 1: technology and I think rapidly to decode signs. So there
Speaker 1: had been no rules on the books about that in
Speaker 1: terms of what the penalties would be. He changed that
Speaker 1: with the memo and he put it and he sent
Speaker 1: it out to front office and field staff, not to players.
Speaker 1: The mental went out to management people and basically said,
Speaker 1: you do this, you're going to be punished severely. And
Speaker 1: I think his idea right then was it's just so
Speaker 1: hard to get into the muck and meyer of trying
Speaker 1: to find out from players who did what in that
Speaker 1: clubhouse culture to what extent. How would you ever discipline
Speaker 1: them on individual basis. So he said, listen, we came
Speaker 1: up with this system, this replay system. We're the ones
Speaker 1: that put the monitor down there. So it's up to
Speaker 1: our people, management people to make sure we have a
Speaker 1: culture where it's not misused. So the onus was on
Speaker 1: the management people right away. It wasn't like he decided
Speaker 1: when the ruling came out that he would skirt players.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if there's a deterrent then Tom,
Speaker 1: if you're not going to punish them, you're afraid of
Speaker 1: the players union and you're going to basically punish the
Speaker 1: adults in the room here, the players are in the clear. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a great point then, because there's so much responsibility
Speaker 1: specifically on the manager. Now, think about that, you're managing
Speaker 1: a major league game, trying to in real time do
Speaker 1: what you need to do in terms of the decisions
Speaker 1: and player personnel. Now you're also responsible for whatever is
Speaker 1: going on behind you in the clubhouse in the video room,
Speaker 1: whether it's analysts back there who are decoding signs or
Speaker 1: players going back there to get a peak. That's not
Speaker 1: the manager, not on the people who are actually doing it.
Speaker 1: So it's a very special exemption. It's a carve out
Speaker 1: in terms of player behavior. In other words, you use peeds,
Speaker 1: you know, you cork your bat, you put pints are
Speaker 1: on the ball, that's on you and you're going to
Speaker 1: be punished for it. But you now can steal signs
Speaker 1: electronically and not face any punishment the manager of the
Speaker 1: general manager will I understand why the commissioner did that,
Speaker 1: because I don't think it's because he's fearful of any
Speaker 1: kind of reprisal from the union in terms of grievance
Speaker 1: and appeals. I think it's just so dawned difficult to
Speaker 1: cut that discipline for any individual player. Yeah, but that
Speaker 1: would be like a writer plagiarizing something and then the
Speaker 1: writer's boss being punished for what the writer did. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm with you. I don't think it's necessarily fair, but
Speaker 1: I think from the practical point of view. I'm not
Speaker 1: sure where he could go at this. I mean, what
Speaker 1: would you do right now, say you were going to
Speaker 1: punish Astro's players, what would you do? Basically everybody on
Speaker 1: that team knew what was going on and did nothing
Speaker 1: about it, including Mike Fires. I would vacated Tom. I'd
Speaker 1: vacate the World Series. That then I've punished the players.
Speaker 1: That might be as close as I get to a punishment.
Speaker 1: That's a team punishment, and you know, yeah, but again,
Speaker 1: you're not individually punishing players for their behavior. I get
Speaker 1: what you're saying. There's you're officially putting a taint, But
Speaker 1: then that Tank is there on the team. You know that.
Speaker 1: I know that the most precious thing all of us
Speaker 1: have is our reputation, and their reputation is shot. We're
Speaker 1: sitting here almost seventy years later talking about the nineteen
Speaker 1: fifty one Giants as cheaters, and we'll be talking about
Speaker 1: the Astros seventy years from now as cheaters. So I
Speaker 1: don't think you needed the commissioner to say that their
Speaker 1: reputation is broken. Yeah, but it is Altova a Hall
Speaker 1: of Famer now, I you know it's and that's going
Speaker 1: to be up to every individual voter, and I'm certainly
Speaker 1: one of them. I'm not going to assess his candidacy
Speaker 1: right now, but it's something we all are now going
Speaker 1: to have to brass with. There's no question about that.
Speaker 1: Beltron will be the first list litmus test. I'm not
Speaker 1: say he was a first ballot slam dunk call of Famer,
Speaker 1: but he certainly has Hall of Fame type credentials. Would
Speaker 1: consideration if you were the match, would you have kept
Speaker 1: him in? No, I would not have. I mean just
Speaker 1: played out there. And if he wanted to keep him,
Speaker 1: he'd have to make a full accounting of what he
Speaker 1: did at a press conference. It'd be a million questions
Speaker 1: about when this began. First of all, he played for
Speaker 1: the Yankees in the first three years when replay monitors
Speaker 1: were down in the dugout? Did he just start with
Speaker 1: the Astros in seventeen when the monitors were in place
Speaker 1: in fourteen, fifteen and sixteen? What did he do in
Speaker 1: the World Series? You know it wasn't going away. He
Speaker 1: would start his term, first term as a manager being
Speaker 1: labeled as a cheater and someone who lied to the
Speaker 1: media about his involvement. I mean that that just destroys
Speaker 1: your credibility at a time when let's facing baseball music,
Speaker 1: astros don't get the benefit of the doubt. So when
Speaker 1: I saw the buzzers story yesterday and Josel Tuba came
Speaker 1: out through Scott Morris and vehemently denied, of course he's
Speaker 1: going to be and lead deny this. But what do
Speaker 1: you make is there, whether it's smoke, there's fire here,
Speaker 1: I say no. I mean you have to be careful
Speaker 1: and not look at these things with the confirmation bias.
Speaker 1: I mean, nobody thought at the time and saw anything
Speaker 1: that said, wow, this is weird that he's not taking
Speaker 1: his jersey off after a walk off Homer. Now that
Speaker 1: it's out there from the Twitter detectives, we're looking at
Speaker 1: it with a different eye. I do know that reports
Speaker 1: were out there suspicions that that the Astros were wearing
Speaker 1: bandages with buzzers on them. The Commissioner's office in this
Speaker 1: three months investigation did look into that and found nothing.
Speaker 1: Commissioners said that on the record they specifically looked at
Speaker 1: that and found nothing. kVA gave his reasons from not
Speaker 1: taking his jersey off after the game to Ken Rosenthal
Speaker 1: in real time, where he said, listen, my wife doesn't
Speaker 1: like me to do it. Apple before. I'm a modest guy.
Speaker 1: I'm not comfortable with it. That's his answer. That's good
Speaker 1: enough for me at that time, until somebody actually comes
Speaker 1: up with real evidence and not confirmation bias. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: if I rip off your jersey, you got an undershirt
Speaker 1: on there, it's not like he was naked. And so
Speaker 1: you're saying anytime he's in a T shirt that he's
Speaker 1: embarrassed or he's modest and doesn't well, does he walk
Speaker 1: around with his jersey on all the time or long?
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not buying that part of it, where hey,
Speaker 1: I'm modest. Okay, he hit a game winning home run,
Speaker 1: he homered off Chapman, and he his thought is, don't
Speaker 1: rip off my jersey. Come on, he's already a proven cheater.
Speaker 1: And now you got that. I'm not buying that. Maybe
Speaker 1: they didn't use buzzers, Tom, but I'm not buying that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't. I'm buying it for now. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: that there was something and you hit a walk off
Speaker 1: home run earlier with his wife, she told she didn't
Speaker 1: like it. And listen, there's some guys who don't wear
Speaker 1: T shirts or any underneath their uniforms. He might be
Speaker 1: one of those. I don't know. He's got to blue.
Speaker 1: You gotta blue, he got something you gotta cleave on.
Speaker 1: I know he's gotta cleave on. But in many cases
Speaker 1: you saw Pete Alonzo, sometimes you're wearing something underneath or
Speaker 1: you know they'll rip everything off. So listen again, when
Speaker 1: you have incidents like this, and as you know, there's
Speaker 1: so many echoes here with the steroid era. Once you've
Speaker 1: put it out there that players are pushing the envelope
Speaker 1: and cheating, it puts everything under suspicion. And that's really
Speaker 1: the worst thing about that. It's what we know, and
Speaker 1: then it's what we guess. He's got it great to
Speaker 1: come on and talk about your sport when there's a
Speaker 1: scandal on. Man, it's been a heck of a week.
Speaker 1: I mean, one after the other. I will tell you this,
Speaker 1: and this is not defensive baseball because it's been a
Speaker 1: bad week. But I did think they did a good
Speaker 1: job with transparency with that report. At least nobody walked
Speaker 1: away from that saying what are they hiding? What actually
Speaker 1: happened with the Astros in seventeen and eighteen. Now nineteen
Speaker 1: is going to be a different story that's going to continue.
Speaker 1: But we still have to hear about the Red Sox
Speaker 1: in eighteen. But at least they pretty pretty much laid
Speaker 1: it out there. If you're talking to more than sixty
Speaker 1: people and seventy thousand emails, I think they learned the
Speaker 1: lessons in the Pete Rose thing, where if you're gonna
Speaker 1: suspend somebody like this, you better show your evidence. But
Speaker 1: don't you Pete coming out Pete Rose saying hey, at
Speaker 1: least I didn't taint the game. I went, come on, Pete, Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: what word? What Pete Rose did or what the aust
Speaker 1: Post did? Um? I think they're both really bad. Anytime
Speaker 1: you call on the question the integrity of the outcome
Speaker 1: of a game, I mean, it's probably the worst thing
Speaker 1: that could happen in the sport, right when you go
Speaker 1: to a game, you pay your money, you watch it
Speaker 1: on TV. If there's even any suspicion in your mind
Speaker 1: that the outcome was decided by something outside of the rules,
Speaker 1: what do you have you have professional wrestling? I mean,
Speaker 1: there's no integrity to the competition at that point. So
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna split hairs and say one was worse
Speaker 1: than the other because they drive it really the heart
Speaker 1: of the game. You're going to be part of MLB
Speaker 1: Network's exclusive Hall of Fame coverage on Tuesday. It will be,
Speaker 1: but we talked to more about steroids. Right, we haven't
Speaker 1: talked about it enough. What do you think the biggest
Speaker 1: discussion will be on that Tuesday when you guys discussed
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame. I hate to say it, but
Speaker 1: it's probably Bonds and Clements again and how close they
Speaker 1: get to seventy five percent then they have what just
Speaker 1: a year, a year or two more left on the ballot,
Speaker 1: a couple of more shots and that's it. You know.
Speaker 1: Sub to that we know Jeters going in is that
Speaker 1: one hundred percent. Larry Walker and Kurt Schilling are the
Speaker 1: bubble guys. Whether they get in or not, both of
Speaker 1: them are going to be right there. And Walkers in
Speaker 1: his last year, so he needs to get in at
Speaker 1: least by the writer's ballot this time. But yeah, the
Speaker 1: conversation about is there any growth in terms of support
Speaker 1: which there has been for Clements and Bonds. I think
Speaker 1: there will be. I don't think they're getting in this year.
Speaker 1: But the extrapolation of whether they're continuing out of pace
Speaker 1: that's going to get them in or not. I'll leave
Speaker 1: you with this, what would you say to Dodger fans
Speaker 1: today about losing to the Astros in the World Series.
Speaker 1: Listen to hang with him. I especially feel for somebody
Speaker 1: like Clayton kershaw Right. He goes into Houston. There he's
Speaker 1: got a four nothing lead and everything blows up on
Speaker 1: him at Minute Made Park and we don't know what
Speaker 1: pitches the Astros got or how it influenced the game,
Speaker 1: but we know it was used throughout the postseason and
Speaker 1: that has to hurt. But I will tell you Dan
Speaker 1: that when the Astros sat down with investigators and multiple
Speaker 1: Astros told them named at least eight other teams who
Speaker 1: are doing this in twenty seventeen, not in the postseason,
Speaker 1: but in the twenty seventeen season. I think they're accurate
Speaker 1: about that. When you had replay system in real time
Speaker 1: with a camera dedicated on home plate for every team
Speaker 1: in the major leagues, we know that the Astros weren't
Speaker 1: the oly team. So just be careful about how far
Speaker 1: you want to go out there and saying that our
Speaker 1: house is cleaned. Great stuff. Tom, and congratulations again of
Speaker 1: going into the Broadcasting Hall of Fame. Well deserved and
Speaker 1: I'll see you in June in Winston Salem, North Carolina.
Speaker 1: I look forward to a congratsman. Thank you. John. Tom Verducci,
Speaker 1: senior baseball writer works for the MLB Network. Yeah, Tom
Speaker 1: Verducci is going in. Michael Wilbon is also going in
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Speaker 1: Thank you, sir. People want to know if mclovin is
Speaker 1: Howard Stern from Private Parts or weird Al Perloff, weird
Speaker 1: Al Yankovic. That's another one. A lot of protagging, a
Speaker 1: lot of progo photo as well. Mcloven paying off his
Speaker 1: bed and I appreciate that, Yes, Paul, I kind of
Speaker 1: hope mcloven drives home in that outfit and gets pulled over.
Speaker 1: I don't want him actually get a ticket, but I
Speaker 1: would love to see the interaction with the police officer.
Speaker 1: Is Odell Beckham still on the lamb? Is he the fugitism? Yeah,
Speaker 1: he went a one cheek or two cheek. They're investigating.
Speaker 1: Is there is there an arrest warrant for Odell Beckham
Speaker 1: for for spanking the police officer. It's unclear what the
Speaker 1: warrant means. I don't know if he's like a fugitive doesn't.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's a felony. But the police don't
Speaker 1: like when you spank them on national TV. They don't
Speaker 1: like when you spank him anytime. That's right. Yes, if
Speaker 1: you do not put your hand on a police officer
Speaker 1: rarely that's the workout one. Never, even if you're being
Speaker 1: nice or you want to even tap him on the
Speaker 1: shoulder for directions. Yes, Ton isn't not a badge of
Speaker 1: honor to alight Alight PAULI had a little run in
Speaker 1: with the Pope PO. I was at a wedding believe
Speaker 1: or not. After a wedding and I was actually kind
Speaker 1: of sober and we are walking to a bar with
Speaker 1: a few bros, fraternity bros. It's like in the like Evansville,
Speaker 1: Indiana somewhere, and the police got on one of our
Speaker 1: friends cases because he was messing with like a sign.
Speaker 1: So the police went up and start talking to him.
Speaker 1: I don't even think the police were going to rest
Speaker 1: my friend, but I was trying to make sure my
Speaker 1: friend was being a real smart ass. And I went
Speaker 1: up to the police officer from behind. I walked up
Speaker 1: and I put my hand on his shoulder, said, excuse me, officer,
Speaker 1: I'll get him out of here. That's what I was
Speaker 1: trying to say, is I'll get my friend out of here.
Speaker 1: We're sorry. And I went up and to the first
Speaker 1: police officer and I put my hand gently on his should,
Speaker 1: excuse me, like I'm trying to get his attention, patting him.
Speaker 1: The other police officer, I swear to God, took his
Speaker 1: billy club out and give me a little a little
Speaker 1: pop in the back of the head, like a little
Speaker 1: wake up call. Okay, and I like saw stars and
Speaker 1: I turned her out here. Don't ever do that. No,
Speaker 1: don't have an I said, I got you. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: and you know I didn't realize I'll touch you a situation,
Speaker 1: especially from behind it because they don't know there. And
Speaker 1: there's a bunch of guys there too. So yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: the best ending to a song all time, PAULI has
Speaker 1: you think rush? Well? Of course, Spirit of the Radio?
Speaker 1: Is that what you picked up? Yeah? Spirit of the
Speaker 1: Radio is one of their greatest songs. But the way
Speaker 1: it ends is super cool. Okay. You get a lot
Speaker 1: of drums, guitars, organ Yeah, the very last ten seconds
Speaker 1: Alex lights and just nailed it. Okay, But I like
Speaker 1: how Getty Lee's voice will build as the music is
Speaker 1: building here. That's good, It's really good. I picked A
Speaker 1: Day in the Life by the Beatles, and it's it's
Speaker 1: one of the more talked about songs by the Beatles
Speaker 1: because they hold one note. I don't know how long
Speaker 1: they do it. I don't know how they did it,
Speaker 1: but the Beatles A Day in the Life is what
Speaker 1: I picked. No, no, not that that, that's the that's
Speaker 1: the second ending. So there's a sorry, I didn't know
Speaker 1: which ending you were referring ending or the first ending.
Speaker 1: They hold the note because normally they don't. They don't
Speaker 1: play that other ending there where there's a bunch of
Speaker 1: noise in there. But this I don't know how they
Speaker 1: held the note this long. I have to skip ahead
Speaker 1: of Okay, here we go. M h, that's gonna ending.
Speaker 1: Could you imagine if somebody like you know, everybody's sitting
Speaker 1: in there being quiet because you can't ruin it, take
Speaker 1: it all of a sudden, Tony Yah, that's yard. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Lennon passes gas. Come on, John Ringo every time, every
Speaker 1: time I can picture you in a basement with a
Speaker 1: shag rug, and you know how good it is. That
Speaker 1: it's pretty awesome. So he just does that. Did you
Speaker 1: have one? Mclovin, No, every time I tried like five songs,
Speaker 1: he'll just fade out normally what it used to be.
Speaker 1: That's what you do. You just say uh And that
Speaker 1: song went three minutes and forty eight seconds such as
Speaker 1: faded out seat and you got one? I got two? Okay,
Speaker 1: actually all right? And that they're kind of similar really
Speaker 1: when you when you I go back and listen to them,
Speaker 1: to the way spirit of the radio ends, where it's
Speaker 1: really just like the whole band going off and just
Speaker 1: absolutely shredding. Okay. Um. First one that came to mind
Speaker 1: for me was m Prince let's go crazy, because you
Speaker 1: don't really think of him as a great guitar player,
Speaker 1: but he is absolutely shredding at the end of this.
Speaker 1: That's Eddie been a hailing before Eddie Vanahelen right, I
Speaker 1: was opposed to it. It's sort of like Endrix, you know,
Speaker 1: it's really Hendri like so good. I think it was
Speaker 1: Dave Grohl who said Prince could pick up any instrument
Speaker 1: and play it as well as anybody. And when you think, remember,
Speaker 1: well Prince at the Super Bowl. Yeah, that to me
Speaker 1: is my favorite super Bowl performance because it was just
Speaker 1: it was him. You had that that cheat cloth or
Speaker 1: whatever it was. It was raining, he did purple rain
Speaker 1: and it was started to rain Man so good. Alrighty,
Speaker 1: you can give us your suggestions the best ending of
Speaker 1: a song. Also, Derrick Henry, can he continue this? And
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